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Missing election data shakes public trust in democracy · Cultural Wars | America Out Loud News

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The U.S.
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Following the president's order to quote, hit them hard after the killing of three Americans Saturday.
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It's time for The Truth Be Told with Booker Scott.
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There have been questions about the 2020 presidential election for over five years.
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Many people don't believe that the 2020 election was free and fair.
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In fact, a lot of people believe it was stolen.
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There have been questions ever since.
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Are we finally getting somewhere to get to the bottom of it?
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I'm Booker Scott, and this is The Truth Be Told on America Out Loud Talk Radio.
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Back in Georgia in 2020, you had a pipe that allegedly burst in the State Farm Arena.
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You had a character named Ruby Freeman in the back.
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She was a poll worker and she was pulling out suitcases in the middle of the night.
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After poll watchers were escorted out of the building.
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No legal chain of custody.
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They have investigated this in the state at the state election board for all of these years, and we're finally getting somewhere.
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Shortly after that election, Trump spoke to Georgia's Secretary of State Brad Raffensburger and said he needed eleven thousand seven hundred and eighty votes to win the state.
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At the time, Raffensberger said he felt pressure from Trump and denied any widespread election fraud.
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And from that, you have Fonnie Willis, the prosecutor in Fulton County that went after Donald Trump and 18 others.
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She tried to put together that RICO case, and that eventually got thrown out of court.
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You had Jordan Fuchs.
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You remember her?
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She was uh a person that worked for Brad Raffensburger.
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She secretly recorded that conversation between Donald Trump and Brad Raffensburg.
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Just to remind you, it's a long time ago now.
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It may be hard to remember all the details of what was going on back then.
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Memory can become fuzzy after a while.
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Denied any widespread election fraud.
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He continues to deny it to this day.
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Now, Fulton County District Attorney Fonnie Willis brought state criminal charges again, then former President Trump and others in 2023 for conspiracy to overturn the election.
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But her prosecution Brett was eventually derailed completely after it was revealed she had an intimate relationship with the top prosecutor on her team.
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And it could have tainted the case late last year.
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A judge Fonnie Willis was in hearings as well in the state Senate recently.
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I played that for you here on the program.
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Not going to do it again.
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Let's go to more on the ground in Georgia in Fulton County when the FBI was raiding and taking over 700 boxes of ballots from Georgia.
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Well, you know what?
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If there was nothing to hide, they would have showed us years ago.
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Now we're gonna find out.
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These trucks are on the way to Virginia.
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They're gonna be out of state very soon, and it is time to get to the bottom of 2020.
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So basically it's about 700 ballot boxes from the 2020 election because again, this is the Fulton County election office.
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Today, FBI executed a search warrant where they seized essentially those 700 boxes.
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Everything.
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And now they've officially left.
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This is the train, as we'll say the train.
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Safe keepings.
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Exactly.
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We don't want a judge to suddenly, and real quickly, we'll get to the judge in a second.
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These are actual people that you know that you've beg been fighting together with since 2019.
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Now there was a post that I did see that said Tulsi Gabbard, the head of the DNI.
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She was there on the ground, which is interesting because she has to do with all the intelligence.
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All seventeen agencies in America.
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She that's her responsibility.
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So she was there in Fulton County on Wednesday to as they were making this raid.
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A judge signed off on it, and I wonder is there a grand jury behind that?
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Did a grand jury tell a judge to write a warrant?
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I I don't know.
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It's gonna be interesting to watch as this unfolds.
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As you heard there, these ballots, 700 boxes.
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I don't know how many ballots can fit in a box, but when Ruby Freeman was running the same ballot repeatedly through the vote counter there in Fulton County, she had a lot of ballots in that suitcase.
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I imagine there are probably thousands in a box, and keep in mind over 300,000 had no chain of custody.
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Maybe it is those ballots they are looking for.
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If you remember back when this was going on, there was a poll worker that had worked the polls for years in Fulton County, and she testified that she had a group of ballots that every one of them were marked for Joe Biden.
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That's an impossibility.
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That cannot happen.
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And I know I'm going back through history and we know all of this stuff.
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At least this stuff was reported back then, corroborated.
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No, probably not.
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And maybe that's what comes out of this, out of these 700 boxes from Fulton County.
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Let me take you back to something else I played on this program months and months ago.
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This happened in the election board in Georgia as they were investigating.
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Keep in mind, the election board of Georgia, they have been investigating this as well the entire time.
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Here is this exchange.
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Does the investigation confirm that there are missing ballot images?
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Yes.
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From election day.
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Those are for the recount.
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Those are from the recount.
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No ballot images for 380, 761 ballots from election day, correct.
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What was subpoenaed was the ballot images for the recount because that's what this 400,000 no ballot images from election day, November 2020 in Fulton County.
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That's one county there in Georgia.
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In in Georgia, I believe it was only a couple of counties.
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I believe it was only a couple of counties in four or five states.
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Arizona, Wisconsin, Michigan, Pennsylvania.
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Those are the states where this was done.
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And they used mail-in ballots and drop boxes because of COVID.
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That's how they did all of this.
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We're going to have to wait and see what happens from this and the FBI getting involved, Tulsi Gabbard, and all the intelligence apparatus of America.
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You have to wonder why she was there.
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I think it's interesting that Tulsi Gabbard was there.
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Here's a conversation between a citizen journalist there on the ground in Fulton County with the commissioner, Dana Barrett, and she doesn't like the questioning.
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She happens to be running for Secretary of State in the state of Georgia.
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Here is that.
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We went around Fulton County the last few weeks, and we see that people are currently registered to vote in places like empty lots, home.
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The shelters that closed ten years ago.
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What would you do if you become Secretary of State to address that?
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It's not conspiracy.
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It's a current you can currently go on the voter all purchase them for 45 dollars and go there with us.
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We will gladly take you if you want to.
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What you're saying, I'm not going to respond to conspiracy theories.
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How is that a conspiracy theory?
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It's an act of the active voter roles.
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I've got a do you think it's a conspiracy theory that people are registered to vote from MT lots?
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And like so many things over the last five years, if they don't like the questioning, they just say, I'm really registered.
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I'm not going to respond to a conspiracy theory.
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It's a question.
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Do you think that all of these addresses where there nobody is living?
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They're it's been closed for years, it doesn't even exist.
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Should they use that address to be able to vote?
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And she doesn't want to respond to that.
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The lady that is trying to become the Secretary of State to replace Brad Raffensburger when his time comes to an end.
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Here's local news from Atlanta.
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He was let inside and uh allowed to be up and close.
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As you can see, this is interesting because one of the questions we did ask Larry uh was if agents were restricting his access or asking uh him to back the water.
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And in the video, you can see that this cameraman from a local Fox station in Atlanta was able to get in into a fenced area where there were a lot of boxes of ballots and FBI, and they were eventually told to move back a little bit, but they were not escorted out of the building.
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Let's move on to a Senate hearing that took place, and this had to do with Marco Rubio on Wednesday, and he was talking about Venezuela, and some of the Democrats came after him pretty hard.
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Not only Democrats, but there's also Rand Paul, by the way.
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Speaking of Rand Paul, John Dennis, the head of the Liberty Caucus, he will be a guest here next Tuesday.
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The new Liberty Scores just came out on Thursday.
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We'll have him here as a guest Tuesday night.
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So please join us for that conversation.
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Here is Secretary of State Marco Rubio.
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Let me just say this.
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What is our goal going in?
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We had in our hemisphere a regime operated by an indicted narco trafficker that became a base of operation for virtually every competitor, adversary, and enemy in the world.
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He's talking about Maduro in Venezuela.
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The questioning is going to get in whether they are in a war in Venezuela, whether they have the right to do what they did.
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Marco Rubio did a great job in answering those questions.
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Was for Iran, their primary spot of operation in the Western Hemisphere was Venezuela.
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For Russia, their primary base of operation in the Western Hemisphere, along Cuba and Nicaragua, was Venezuela.
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In the case of China, China was receiving oil at a huge $20 a barrel discount.
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Uh, and it was they weren't even paying money for it.
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It was being used to pay down debt that they were owed.
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This is the oil of the people of Venezuela, and it was being given to the Chinese as barter at a 20% at a $20 discount per barrel in some cases.
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And so you had basically three of our primary opponents in the world.
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And I have reported about this.
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You had Hezbollah and Hamas on the ground from Iran.
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You had Russia and ghost ships from Venezuela, and you just heard about China in Venezuela.
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New information there from me from Marco Rubio about how China basically was taking the oil from Venezuela.
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78% of Venezuelan oil goes to China, and they weren't even paying for it.
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The new news there from Marco Rubio for me, anyway.
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You may have already known that.
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Here is more Marco Rubio.
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It was also a place where you had a narco trafficking regime that openly cooperated with the FARC and the ELN and other drag duct trafficking organizations using their national territory.
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It was an enormous strategic risk for the United States, not halfway around the world, not in another continent, but in uh in the hemisphere in which we all live.
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And it was having dramatic impacts on us, but also on Colombia and on the Caribbean basin and all sorts of other places.
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It was an untenable situation, and it had to be addressed.
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And it was addressed.
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And now the question becomes what happens moving forward.
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As I've described to you in previous settings and an individual conversations, we had three objectives here.
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The final I'll work it backwards because uh the end state here is we want a a we want to reach a phase of transition where we are left with a friendly, stable, prosperous Venezuela.
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And that would be great for everybody, especially those in that region.
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Now, here is a little contentious disagreement with uh Senator Tammy Duckworth, a Democrat.
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Their president already said that he was ready to put American troops in Venezuela again.
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So we're tournament long, but we're talking about two separate things here.
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So you're talking about the state of Venezuela or are describing the regime.
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I am talking about what the president invoked the alien enemies.
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Let me be sure with you.
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No, but we're talking about the president was talking about are these gangs that have and these narco-trafficking groups that are waging war on the United States.
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There's no doubt.
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These groups have waged.
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War on the United States.
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They have voice.
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For example, trained out was not just a criminal gang presence in our street.
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It is a criminal gang responsible for directly responsible for Marco Death.
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The Trump administration has acknowledged that the vast majority of the men at rounded up and deported to torture under this law had no criminal records whatsoever.
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I wouldn't tell you.
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Independent, over 75%.
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Who do we torture?
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We haven't tortured anybody.
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We've arrested people that are members of gangs, and we've deported them.
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It's plain to see.
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That's what's been going on.
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Now let's go to this about Cuba.
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This is Senator Schatz as he grills Marco Rubio in this hearing.
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Will you make a public commitment today to rule out U.S.
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regime change in Cuba?
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Regime change?
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Yes.
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Oh no, I think we would love to see the regime there change.
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We would like to.
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That doesn't mean that we're going to make a change, but we would love to see a change.
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There's no doubt about the fact that it would be of great benefit to the United States if Cuba was no longer governed by an autocratic regime.
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But you know what we mean by regime change.
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We don't mean I wish someone else were in charge.
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When we talk about regime change, we're talking about using the power of the United States, usually kinetic power, but often other kinds of uh uh coercion and and and I'm not even saying that that's always uh not in our interest.
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I'm just saying I'm not asking you whether we would prefer a different m uh kind of government.
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I'm asking whether you're trying to precipitate the fall of the current regime.
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Yeah, but that's statutory.
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The Helms Burton Act, the U.S.
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embargo on Cuba is is codified.
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It was codified in law, and it requires regime change in order for us to lift the embargo.
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Interesting there that it is a law that the regime would have to change in Cuba before America could lift the embargoes and help Cuba.
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I don't even know if the senators know the answer to those questions sometimes when they ask it.
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I would never ask a question unless I really knew the answer to it if I were in a hearing.
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But the senators are a little bit different, I guess, than you and me.
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And we can see that they're not real effective generally.
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We're looking at a government shutdown coming up this weekend, a partial government shutdown.
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Six bills, appropriation bills have been already passed, and there are a total of twelve.
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The Department of Homeland Security and ICE is in there.
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It looks like the Democrats will try to shut down the government unless they get ICE defunded, or maybe some other things that they want in there to control ice in some ways.
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We'll have to wait and see.
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FEMA, by the way, is also controlled under the Department of Homeland Security budget.
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So we just had a big winter storm.
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People are freezing.
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Will the Democrats use uh DHS and ICE and FEMA to uh allow Americans to freeze?
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The last time they shut down the government, they they did it in and people starved, according to them.
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Forty-two million were without snap benefits, so we'll look at that.
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Also, I want to bring to you tonight Alex Pretti.
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He's the gentleman that was killed in Minneapolis last weekend.
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There is new video that shows him on January 13th spitting and cussing at ICE agents there.
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They got into a scuffle.
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He was injured, he was not taken in for any type of medical care, but he had a history of going and antagonizing ice and cussing them and spitting them.
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So you're starting to see some more of the story here.
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That video has been corroborated by none other than the BBC.
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They have done video analysis of it.
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They say it is him.
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If you've seen the video, it looks like him, and he is spitting on ice, which is illegal.
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So, as always, you gotta wait a few days for the truth to come out.
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And unfortunately, the truth comes out after the narrative has already been created, which is the case here, and now the Democrats will use that ice shooting last Saturday in Minneapolis to shut down the government at least partially.
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Snap benefits will go this time.
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Also, the military will be paid.
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Will they use ice to freeze out the American people in another partial government shutdown?
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Government weaponization.
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And that's what we want to talk about.
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His name is Jeremy Harrell.
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He is the CEO, the founder of a group called the Veterans Club.
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And Jeremy, welcome to the program.
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So good to have you.
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Thank you, sir.
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Glad to be here.
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I appreciate the opportunity.
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Well, let's just tell your story.
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First of all, what branch of the service were you in and where did you serve?
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I'm assuming that you were overseas, but tell a little bit about your background.
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Yeah, so um I I was in the United States Army.
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Um and I served uh for eight years in the United States Army.
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And um I went to uh to Iraq during the initial invasion, 2003 to 2004.
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Spent 15 months there, um come back, continue to serve and uh and really loved it until I couldn't do it anymore.
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Um, and then uh I still had that desire to serve even beyond the uniform.
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And um and and that's about the same time that I recognized that I had some some some issues that I needed to deal with that were related to service, and I would go to these programs uh with a desire to heal and get better.
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And as I was visiting these programs across the country with other veterans, I kept hearing that uh they didn't necessarily miss the job per se, but but what they did miss was the camaraderie that they had with each other.
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And uh and I thought, well, there's no reason that we can't have that.
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Um, even though we're not in uniform anymore.
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So I decided uh with my wife to start a um what was then a Facebook group called Veterans Club Incorporated, where we could all get together and share that same camaraderie and support one another.
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Yeah, I've heard that before that so many people that were in the service, they miss that more than any part of it.
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And that's uh in a lot of ways the reason for homelessness, even.
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Um, I've had many conversations with people that know about it, and they say those people that are living under the bridges, they feel more secure there because they had that camaraderie that you were just talking about.
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They look look over each other, they take care of each other just like they did in the service because when they got out of the service, they really didn't have anything.
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So your veterans club is a Facebook page that you start, you and your wife do to try to help people that uh are suffering from the same types of things that you were.
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And uh one of those things, I guess for you was uh PTSD.
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Is that correct?
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Yes, yes.
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Uh I have what's called complex PTSD or CPTSD, which means that I have combat from both my military service or sorry, PTSD from both my military service and combat and also uh from childhood uh as well.
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And so uh it's it's PTSD is PTSD.
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This is a little complex because there's multiple uh trauma uh involved in that, but um but yeah, when we started this baseball.
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Group, you know, I wanted to really uh here's what I know is when you think about how many people serve the country, um, you're you're you're looking at about seven percent of America.
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And so, you know, I always thought that we were at a disadvantage because as soon as we walked out of our door every day, 93% of the people just don't really understand, right?
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And I know the majority of them want to understand, and I'm so thankful that they do, and I hope they keep asking questions, and I hope that veterans keep answering them uh politely and and correctly.
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But uh, but it just it I just wanted to connect with these other vets to say, hey, you know, I I see you, I hear you, I understand.
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I know this seems odd, I know that you probably can't talk to that talk about this with everybody because they haven't seen what you've seen and experienced what you experienced, but but we have.
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And I just wanted to create a community within a community.
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And in doing so, Booker, it was very therapeutic for me because uh, you know, I'd been on 20 medications uh for PTSD symptoms, and there was no long-term success with those medicine medicines, and in fact, they caused other issues.
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And so when I started helping people and I started setting down and having conversations with other veterans, that was the greatest medicine that I've ever I've ever taken, so to speak.
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And uh, and it's like anything else when you think that you found a cure or a way to uh to manage symptoms because you're out, you know, focusing on other people.
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Um you want to keep doing it, right?
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Because it it's helpful.
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And so that's exactly how this kind of originated.
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You mentioned you were overseas 2003, 2004.
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You mentioned you were in the service for eight years.
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What year did you get out of the service and then what year did you start the veterans club?
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So I got out of the military in 2008.
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It's February 1st, 2008, uh, is when I got out.
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And uh I started Veterans Club unofficially, started doing things as a social group around 2017, and then officially become a nonprofit in 2019.
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Well, let's pick up the story there because that's where the story gets good.
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And I think to get to that part of the story, we also need to talk about the fact that you were on disability at the time.
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Uh the veteran veterans' affairs had made the determination.
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They had made the determination that you were fully disabled and could not work.
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I think you had bounced around some different jobs, but they finally put you on disability, and that's how you survived along with your wife, who is a professional and makes a living.
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But you start this nonprofit organization in about 2019.
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You're on full disability and take off from there.
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What I what I was looking for is an opportunity to kind of give back when I could when I felt up to it.
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And see, the thing with with mental health is you know, it it's number one, it's not an intellectual disability.
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You can be very much intelligent and be disabled at the same time, but but you have days and sometimes there's consistent days where you you really can't perform or operate.
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And then there's other days where you feel like you can.
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And so what I would do is try to take advantage of the days that I could.
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And uh, and so, you know, as we're as we're growing this organization, and it and it and it grew very fast, um, I realized that it was getting to a point now where it was really no longer kind of a social group or or grassroots, it was becoming one of the fastest growing nonprofits in the United States.
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Uh, that I wasn't going to be able, due to my limitations, to run this organization and keep it going.
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And then we were doing so many good things, I didn't want it to end.
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And so, you know, we hired people to come in to help.
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A director of operations, we hired a chief of staff, we hired um an operating officer.
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Uh, we we have uh a database full of volunteers, and the whole purpose behind that was because I couldn't do it um the way that I would like to do it because you couldn't do it physically, you couldn't do it mentally full time, right?
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Yeah, right.
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And and and essentially I was kind of the the face of the organization, the story, um, and and kind of the connector.
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But uh, but as far as the day-to-day, it wasn't it wasn't me doing the admin task and things like that.
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It was it was our director of operations and and and stuff like that.
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So uh that's what happened.
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So, you know, we we hired them, uh they got acclimated.
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We started, we we, you know, we created seven nationally recognized programs, our our biggest program, equine therapy for veterans, first responders and their families.
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Um, but also we're a faith-based organization as well.
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So we look at trauma from a biblical perspective, right?
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Not just what science says, but also what the Bible says about these things, which oftentimes makes you a target for uh some who don't want to hear that or some who think that they could cut into their profit, right?
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Right because we were actually helping veterans heal to where they didn't have to go through the VA doors every single day because they were actually figuring out who the great physician was and they were actually leaning more on Christ.
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And I'm not apologizing.
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For that, and I regret none of that.
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But the reality though, at the end of the day, it hurts someone somewhere because you know what I was doing for free, people were making millions and millions of dollars doing it.
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And I'm gonna be clear, you know, I didn't take anything from the organization, not mileage.
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I never paid myself anything.
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Um this was strictly voluntary.
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Um and and you know, it was just it was just a a passion project.
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It was something uh that I got great benefit in, and and it really lent its way to my my own healing in certain ways.
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It it allowed me to be a good father, it allowed me to be a good husband, it allowed me to be a functioning asset in society, and and the other thing is I didn't I didn't want to just sit on the couch all day with empty pill bottles and just get a check from the government.
30:45
I wanted a to be an asset.
30:47
You wanted to have a purpose.
30:49
Yeah, you want to have a purpose, yeah.
30:50
That makes sense.
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And you're going along, everything's going great.
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Again, you started from a Facebook group, you didn't have any aspirations or expectations of where this was going to go.
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And as you said, it really started growing in 2019, 2020.
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You have to hire some people because you can't do it yourself.
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And then what happens?
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You get up to 2021, and we have the withdrawal from Afghanistan that was a complete debacle that ended in the death of 13 U.S.
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soldiers.
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You remember that?
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That was Abbey Gate, by the way.
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So what happens then in about 2021?
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So around that time period, um, we we really started as an organization, and then and me as an individual started kind of making a name for ourselves and and uh as a truth teller, uh as a change maker.
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And so, you know, my job um as an advocate was to, you know, honor our brothers and sisters in arms.
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And and when I saw what happened in Afghanistan, I was very vocal about it.
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I did a lot of media about how it was it was the the the biggest botched military operation in in military history.
31:57
You weren't alone, and uh you were not alone there.
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Right, right.
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I mean, you know, it was it was it was impacting veterans all the way back to Vietnam because something similar happened in Saigon in 1979, and it triggered them.
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75.
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It was 1975, yeah.
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75, sorry, yeah.
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That's right.
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I remember I'm old enough to remember that.
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It made an impression on me as a kid.
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That's one reason why I remember it.
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Yeah, and so you know, so I was very vocal about that.
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Um, because we were dealing, I was dealing as an organization with the fallout uh with folks who have served in both of those conflicts, uh Vietnam and you know the 20-year war in Afghanistan, and we were having to have you know more support groups, we're having to have more sessions for requirement therapy.
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We we had a uh an influx of call-ins of people who were suicidal because of they felt like they spent 20 years there fighting a war that was and the country was turned right back over to the Taliban in less than 24 hours.
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Sure was, yep.
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So I I talked about that, and I'm sure that that during that time our our president was was Biden, and and uh I'm sure that that didn't sit well with the people who were uh you know loyalists to him, and uh and and then there's some things within the VA that at the time that leadership that I that I felt like they were doing uh their veterans were underserved, and and uh that I felt like nonprofits had to pick up all the pieces, and we had to carry the weight of all of society's issues when it comes with, you know, I was just very outspoken that way.
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And I was talking to legislators, I was advocating uh all the way up the chain to Washington, D.C.
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And and uh and there were some people who didn't like it.
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Some people don't like when the truth is is told and exposed.
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And uh and and so when when you finally find somebody who who's willing to do that, Booker, but but without any incentive.
33:40
I mean, because when I talked to people that I know in politics, they they said, Well, Jeremy, we're not really surprised because here's why.
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You don't carry water for anybody, yeah.
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You weren't trying to be a millionaire, you were doing this out of the kindness of your heart, and it was pure, and those things are threatening, yeah, oftentimes to the establishment.
33:58
So going through all that, and then you know, I won a a lot of awards uh personally in 21 and 22, and then all of sudden um in October of 23.
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Um I had just actually come back from a a treatment facility because I I stay you know up to date with with I still have to be in treatment, probably for the remainder of my life for these these injuries.
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And so um before you go before you go too far, let me let me back up a little bit because from 2019 to 2023, you had income for your foundation for the 501c3.
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I think it's important to understand that because you are on disability.
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You get that from the VA, and now you have income.
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But as you mentioned earlier already in the segment, you didn't take a dime, you didn't even take gas money for yourself.
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And you also weren't really doing the work.
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You had hired someone to be the director, you had uh a couple of people hired for staff, you had a board of directors.
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You also had an advisory board.
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So you had all of this going on.
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So the money that came in quickly went out.
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Over four years, I think the number was $400,000 that you had.
35:12
So now let's pick up the story in 2023.
35:16
Yes.
35:16
And just one more point to that is our intention as an organization was to not to have a lot of money sitting around because that's money that we could use uh to help our veterans in need, right?
35:27
So it was a point for us to spend that.
35:29
But yes.
35:30
Yeah, and I should clean I should clean myself up here, Jeremy, too, because I made it sound like all the money that you got you spent on uh your staff, and that's not the case at all.
35:39
You spent it on veterans also.
35:41
But I wanted to point out that you were not necessarily doing the work, you were the face of Veterans Club, and you had hired people to actually do the work because you physically and mentally just couldn't do 40, 50, 60 hours a week.
35:56
Yes, and so you know, and I'll get to the to a little more or the discretionary part of that a little bit later, but but you're right.
36:03
I will I was I was kind of building partnerships, I was making connections.
36:07
We were I was actually doing staff retreats for the VA's mental health program managers at our facility, believe it or not.
36:14
It's it's weird how the complaint uh benefited from our services and and uh uh but yeah, so in 2023, I just come back from a treatment, a personal uh treatment program, and uh had just got back in, and I was sitting down with the director of operations, and he was going to brief me on what had occurred because I'd been gone for two weeks.
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And uh then there was a knock at the door.
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Uh he goes and opens the door to our headquarters, and uh it's two gentlemen uh plain clothes, uh, walk in and just ask, you know, to talk to me.
36:46
Um, and that happens all the time.
36:47
We have an open door policy, right?
36:49
And so he, you know, they come in and and uh they look like a couple veterans and they just introduce themselves by name and said, hey, you know, we'd love to have a conversation with you.
36:59
And I said, sure, let's go upstairs where it's more private in the office.
37:02
And um, we went upstairs and you know, they started talking to me and asking me unusual questions, and very quickly I recognized that this wasn't a conversation, that this was an interrogation, and so then I asked them to uh to disclose who they were, because at this point they they didn't let me know who they were.
37:22
Yeah, they didn't identify themselves as federal agents for the VA Office of Inspector General.
37:27
What kind of questions were they asking you that tipped you off?
37:31
Yeah, so they were asking me, you know, what what my role was there?
37:35
Uh they were asking me mainly what they were focusing on was how how are you able to do this?
37:42
Um as if someone with my disability should not be able to do anything, right?
37:47
And so I said, Well, there's a lot to that.
37:51
We have a we have a board of directors who are very professional people who help this thing run.
37:56
I don't own a nonprofit, no one does.
37:59
I said, but other than I said, I have an advisory board that makes sure that we keep between the rails and and we're doing everything the way we should.
38:06
Uh, and then I said, of course, we have you know close to 600 volunteers um that that help from time to time.
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I said, uh, and then you know, there's me who comes in and does things as I can, right?
38:19
So um, but ultimately, uh, I said, you know, God's at the center of this organization, and uh he he really decides whether it's successful or not, and and luckily he he's been shown favor, right?
38:31
So that's kind of how I answered that, you know, and yeah, and he didn't really like that answer, you know.
38:36
And he said, Well, you're you're permanently and totally disabled, and you're you're a successful nonprofit founder.
38:44
And I said, Well, okay, yeah.
38:46
Um, but I don't have I'm not disabled because I have an intellectual disability.
38:51
Right.
38:52
I'm disabled because I have an anxiety disorder, and I have some other physical things, but they were primarily speaking on the on the the you know anxiety, the PTSD.
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So the premise is because you're on disability, you are getting a check every month that you should not be doing anything but sitting at home and watching Lucy or whatever program you want to watch.
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The price is right, I guess.
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That is what they expect you to do when you're getting a government check.
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You cannot start a 501c3 and you can't hire people, and you can't bring in money, or otherwise you're gonna get a visit from the federal government.
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And that's some of the weaponization that we're talking about.
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Have you ever worried about someone coming to your front door and uh asking to have a conversation?
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And they take you into a room and they start asking you questions that you know exactly where this is going.
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Personally, I never have.
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I can't imagine what it feels like, but Jeremy Harrell does.
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He's visiting with us.
42:17
Jeremy, let's pick up the story right where we left off there going into the break.
42:21
You were upstairs in an office, you're talking to the guys from the VA, they're asking you bad questions, and then what happens?
42:28
Yeah, and so I very quickly realized that uh that they're there uh because of me.
42:33
And um, and and they finally show me um their credentials.
42:37
And again, they were Department of Veteran Affairs, Office of Inspector General agents.
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And uh at that point, uh, you know, I I don't I've never been in trouble in my life other than a speed and ticket in 2008, but I did know enough from watching, you know, uh enough on on TV, right, to know that I I should probably you know seek legal counsel.
42:56
And so I told them at that moment that that's what I was going to do, and and uh and the agent looks at me and he says, I've spent a year and a half following you.
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And when you think about waste fraud and abuse, spent a year and a half following me, and he says, I just want to tell you that you've done some amazing things for veterans.
43:15
And he hands me a court summons, and then he tells me that I'm indicted, federally indicted for theft of government funds, and that I had to be on in court on this day, which was only about uh nine or ten days after that.
43:28
Um so they walk out, I go downstairs, and I'm I'm mortified.
43:34
Like I just don't even really know what it all means to be honest.
43:37
Yeah, who all I knew about being indicted was that our our president Donald Trump was indicted a lot.
43:43
That's right, right.
43:44
I knew it was legal, but I I didn't know exactly, you know.
43:47
So I you knew it wasn't a good thing, didn't you?
43:49
Oh, yeah, I knew very quickly that that it wasn't anything that you want to be a part of.
43:53
And so uh so the the first thing I did is I went over to uh one of our advisors' office.
43:58
He is uh he was an attorney, he's not a criminal attorney, but he's an attorney, and and I had him look at the you know the the paper, and he had a tear in his eye.
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And I'm like, what's going on?
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He said, He said, Jeremy, this is serious.
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And he said, I just don't understand how they could do this, or why they would do this.
44:17
And I said, Well, I don't know either.
44:19
What when when in America did it become a crime to volunteer to help people with suicide prevention and helping them get connected and getting the benefits that when did that start being illegal, right?
44:30
I just couldn't believe it.
44:31
Right.
44:32
And uh you know the worst thing, Booker that I've ever read today to my life was on that forum, it said the United States of America versus Jeremy Harrell.
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And I thought, how in the world does a man who serve honorably in peacetime and in combat, how in the world am I now considered an enemy of the country that I that the whole reason I'm in this mess, the whole reason I've ever had to get this.
45:00
Disability and hope it was because of my service.
45:02
Yeah.
45:03
How in the world?
45:04
So it's just still very difficult for me to process, but that's that's what is set on the letter.
45:08
And so you give eight years of your life and uh to actually give your life if you have to, going overseas and fighting in battles, and then you come back here and uh you know you start an incredible uh veterans club to help other people that had gone through the same thing that you have.
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And the next thing you know, you get a knock on the door, you get indicted, and then you go to trial.
45:30
And let's talk a little bit about what they accused you of and what you eventually got convicted of, and you actually served six months in prison.
45:39
Let's talk about what they say you did.
45:42
Yeah, so so what they say I did is is you know, they tried to say that the day that I signed my initials on a docusign with other board members of the veterans club incorporated, that that was the day where I become um not permanent, totally disabled, and I become employable because I signed my initials on the docusign, right?
46:06
So now they're saying that uh that starting in 2019, right when I started the organization, funny funny how that works, that all of a sudden I I was doing something wrong, right?
46:18
And that they think that because I was able to help veterans, um, and and and and they they they were explaining it as if I did all this by myself, first of all.
46:28
But but they were trying to explain to the jury like if he can do that, if he can he they kept saying highly successful founder and CEO, um that CEOs make a couple hundred thousand dollars a year.
46:41
He could have easily made, you know, and they're talking to a jury that you know, without without sounding judgmental, we'll we'll probably never see those numbers.
46:50
Right.
46:50
I mean, we're we're in the eastern district of Kentucky.
46:53
The economy's not good there.
46:55
And so I can they were trying to manipulate the jury to go, well, how how's this guy?
47:00
You know, I have to go to work for 15 bucks an hour and break my back every day, and then here's this guy.
47:05
You know what I mean?
47:06
That's kind of the the manipulation tactic that they were using.
47:10
So the prosecution was saying, okay, this guy has been on disability the whole time.
47:14
He is also the CEO of this uh uh nonprofit that you know is bringing in hundreds of thousands of dollars, and meanwhile, you're in the jury and you're making $15 an hour.
47:26
And so he's really, I guess the way they do it is they say he's taking advantage of your tax money because he's still taking disability.
47:34
I want to point out that uh well, you tell everybody who said that you should get permanent disability.
47:41
Was that you?
47:42
Did you go looking for it?
47:43
Tell us how that happened.
47:44
Yeah, I'm glad you brought that up.
47:46
Um, yeah, so the way the VA disability process works, which is still a great mystery to most veterans in this country, let alone a juror, a j a jury in five days.
47:55
But uh, yeah, so the VA, they they put you through a series of exams, and at the end of the, those they're called compensation and pension exams, and it's where they talk directly about the disability, and then at the end, they make a recommendation, they send it to the Department of Veteran Affairs Regional Office, where there are raiders who actually look at the report from the doctors and they compare it to some chart that's kind of a mystery on what the chart is, and then they determine your level of disability.
48:24
So I never said, I mean, it wasn't a choice that I made, right?
48:28
So when they looked at the evidence and they looked at all the notes of me in treatment, they come to the conclusion that I was unemployable, that I was permanent, totally disabled, that um that I would never have any future exams, and that I was to and try to enjoy my life the best I could, is basically how that went.
48:47
Yeah.
48:48
But that wasn't true because apparently total and permanent doesn't exist, and apparently when they tell you there's no future exams, that only applies to some people, not anybody who's exposing the truth, not anybody who's actually making a difference and helping veterans get better, um, and and is a threat to the establishment that when it becomes that, then there is future exams and all kinds of other what I call harassment um and targeting and weaponization.
49:16
And so, yeah, so it's the VA who determines your your rate of disability.
49:19
Yeah, you weren't doctor shopping.
49:21
That's the point I'm trying to make.
49:22
They determined that you were disabled, permanent disabled, and you could not work.
49:28
And you start this and you're just trying to help other people.
49:31
I'm just trying to help.
49:32
You didn't take any money from them, they didn't pay even your gas money, and then you have a knock on your door, you end up being convicted, the jury convicts you, and you're sentenced to six months.
49:43
You also have to pay restitution because in a federal case you have to pay restitution total.
49:49
How much do you have to pay?
49:51
Yeah, so it's it's it's it's getting up there around three hundred thousand dollars at this point, um, which is is a is a is a
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Astronomical amount of money for for me and my family, but really not a lot of money when you think of the government.
50:06
But not only did I what did I get sentenced to six months in prison, also got sentenced to six months home confinement after prison, um, which is kind of currently what I'm on now.
50:16
Of course, I have uh different levels of freedom to to do different things, but it's still very much confinement.
50:22
Um and then yeah, I have the restitution pay the restitution piece, right?
50:27
Which um that that's the money that the VA and the federal court says that they think that I owe the government.
50:32
Um when is that supposed to start?
50:34
Let's start there.
50:36
Because this is this is an interesting part of the story here.
50:39
Yeah, so the the judge, when he makes the judgment, he sets and defers my restitution out until March 1 of 2028 at the amount of 100 a month.
50:51
Okay, so in 2028, March 1st, 2028, you have to make your first payment of 100.
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And every month after that, you're gonna be paying 100 on your way to paying off 300,000.
51:05
That is what the judge ordered when you were sentenced.
51:09
Is that correct?
51:10
Yes, sir.
51:11
That's that's absolutely correct.
51:13
But that is not what happened.
51:14
Okay, tell us what happened.
51:16
So while I'm in federal prison, I get a phone call from my wife who says um you need to call the attorney.
51:24
I call the attorney, the attorney tells me that the judge has ordered that I pay um $52,000 within three days.
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Now keep in mind, I'm confined in in a federal prison in Kentucky.
51:38
I have no access to anything, barely the phone, right?
51:42
And so I say, Well, how am I supposed to do that from prison?
51:46
Right.
51:46
Well, what they knew about me, Booker, is that by you know, according to my history, in reality, I've been a real follower.
51:55
And so what they knew that I would do, because I I am compliant, is that I would get I would ask my wife to figure out how to get the money to get to them in three days.
52:07
Um, but but the problem with that is I wasn't supposed to pay any of that money, but not only that, now they're bringing my wife who is not a co-defendant, who has no skin in the game.
52:18
Now they're forcing her to do things that I believe is unconstitutional, but but not even that.
52:24
The the money that they wanted to give uh come out of an account that is a joint account that her salary goes into.
52:32
They didn't even allow us to divide assets or allow us to uh separate exactly.
52:40
They they simply didn't care.
52:42
They've been very venomous about how they've approached us with me.
52:46
You you would think that that I have done some horrific crime somewhere, and in reality, you know, we helped people stay alive.
52:53
Right.
52:53
Uh Jeremy, why did that judge make that determination to come after for $52,000 right then?
53:00
Well, that's that's still a question that we're trying to we're trying to figure out.
53:04
You know, somehow the prosecutors have been able to use a loophole in law um to try to manipulate the statues in order to be able to take the money.
53:14
And and and so that that, you know, and they knew that I'd be in prison.
53:19
I couldn't really fight it the way that I traditionally fight things and advocate.
53:23
Um and they just really took advantage of us in a vulnerable space.
53:27
But but since January of this year, we have given them $83,000.
53:33
Now keep in mind we're we're not supposed to pay anything until you know March 2.
53:37
March 1 28th.
53:38
2028, yeah.
53:40
So let's talk about uh your future.
53:42
Let's talk about a pardon from President Donald Trump.
53:45
He is one that was also weaponized and targeted by uh you know, Fannie Willis by Letitia James in New York, Jack Smith in Washington, D.C.
53:57
in South Florida.
53:58
He felt what the Biden Department of Justice could do.
54:03
And I would think he would be sympathetic to your story because you have sort of gone through the same thing.
54:09
Where are you right now with that?
54:11
I know that uh attorney Ed Martin, who is part of the Department of Justice appointed by Donald Trump, he has been involved in some of this case.
54:20
Let's talk about that.
54:21
Yes.
54:22
So, you know, very quickly, we made the determination speaking with a lot of prominent attorneys in the United States about this case that they number one, there's not another case like it.
54:35
Um I think that's important to point out uh the way the details are in this case.
54:40
This is usually an administrative action.
54:41
If the VA thinks you're getting better, well then they just do it administratively.
54:45
It's it's not criminal proceedings.
54:47
But um, so I have attorneys who have uh who have you know experience with with pardons and clemency, um, who have uh presented my case uh before Ed Martin.
55:00
in Washington DC.
55:01
And it was very clear after that meeting that that it was considered um weaponization at its finest.
55:08
Yeah.
55:08
And in fact, this was this this case is an ideal case for a pardon.
55:15
Um and that's that's not just my opinion as as a person involved here.
55:19
This is the opinion of of many lawyers.
55:22
Um some who have been appointed uh with has worked with Trump in cases that he's been dealing with in in in New York and and have have reviewed this who have said that if there's any case if there's any case that should be pardoned this one's worn.
55:36
And um and so you know the case has been presented to to Mr.
55:40
Martin.
55:40
It's been presented to the Pardon Czar who is Alice Marie Johnson and and it has been sent uh to White House counsel.
55:48
We have also had assistance from uh from Senator Rand Paul's office um we have done a lot in Kentucky together he's been a uh uh an avid supporter of our programs and has been present at a lot of our events um he also understands exactly what I do and why I do it and uh and so at this point it's it's a waiting game.
56:09
Um we're hoping that whenever the president decides to do more pardons that my name will be at the top of that list.
56:16
Is there anything else we can do for you?
56:18
Do you have a website or anything?
56:19
Uh what about the veterans club do you want to uh put a plug in for the veterans club while you're here I know we've talked about it but is there a website?
56:27
Yes yes I would love that uh for anybody interested in in in being a part and getting involved whether it's financially or volunteering uh we always need help uh most nonprofits do our website is veterans clubinc.org so it's veterans club in c dot org and you can learn more about our mission and what we do and of course you can follow us on on social media as well um we'd love for you to be a part you don't have to be a veteran to serve with us um we just ask that you love them and then uh and then we'd appreciate any kind of help that you'd like to give but uh but very thankful for the opportunity to share this story and uh the reality is if they do this to me successfully they'll do it to other veterans and and then who's gonna do the heavy lifting out there in the nonprofit realm.
57:11
So that's right it's a scary thing.
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His name is Jeremy Harrell go to that website support them support their work.
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Jeremy thank you so much hang in there.
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Good luck to you.
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Thank you sir appreciate it.
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Unleashed the political news hour it starts next I'm Booker Scott thank you for joining us tonight and don't forget you were told two thousand years ago that you are the salt of the earth and salt without flavor it has no value.
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So whatever you do keep being salty have a great night there is only one truth you've been listening to the truth be told with Booker Scott on America out loud