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Murderous Dentist James Craig's 'Sugar Dating' Life Revealed · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace, a beloved dentist, the picture
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Speaker 1: perfect husband who doated on his young wife, the mother
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Speaker 1: of what five of his children. She dies with a
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Speaker 1: mystery illness, but his sugar baby double life is revealed.
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Speaker 2: Ill Gross, I'm.
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Speaker 1: Never going to be able to look at my dentists
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Speaker 1: the same way as long as I live. And I
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Speaker 1: know him because guess what he was looking at a
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Speaker 1: crown in my mouth and goes, do you remember me?
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Speaker 2: And I actually did, but I couldn't place him.
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Speaker 1: He was on a jury of mine, yes, but that's
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Speaker 1: nothing compared to this freak with a sugar baby pasted.
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Speaker 2: Ugh I means he Grace.
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Speaker 3: This is Crime Stories.
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Speaker 1: I want to thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 2: Correction.
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Speaker 1: Angela Craig was a mother of six who knew something
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Speaker 1: was horribly wrong after she went for a bike ride
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Speaker 1: and came home barely able to walk. It wasn't the
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Speaker 1: bike ride, it was the protein shape your loving, doting
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Speaker 1: dentist husband James Craig made for you. Yeah, you know
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Speaker 1: the rest of that story. He was responsible for a
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Speaker 1: long and premeditated plot of poisoning her. But before I
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Speaker 1: get into those details, I want to talk to you
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Speaker 1: about his quote sugar baby past. It's also ruining the
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Speaker 1: candy for me, sugar babies, which was one of my
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Speaker 1: favorites growing up.
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Speaker 2: Now this, yes, Craig.
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Speaker 1: Was up to his same old tricks. He's disgusting.
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Speaker 2: He's not even all that.
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Speaker 1: He's not even remotely attractive. I can say this. He's
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Speaker 1: got straight teeth. Okay, they're probably fake that, I don't care.
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Speaker 1: Multiple women state he started sexual end quote financial arrangements
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Speaker 1: with them long before Angela's death, on a sugar dating
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Speaker 1: website called seeking dot com. Okay, what to stop everything
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Speaker 1: right there? What is a sugar baby?
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Speaker 2: Okay?
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Speaker 1: Can I tell you what a sugar baby is? It's
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Speaker 1: not the candy I grew up with. Okay, not that
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Speaker 1: at all. There's also a cosmetic brand, sugar Baby Cosmetics.
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Speaker 2: Let's see. It is a.
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Speaker 1: Book by Deroonica Lowe. It is a movie on B
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Speaker 1: E T. But it's of course the candy. But it's
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Speaker 1: commonly used to describe a person who gets money in
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Speaker 1: exchange for companionship i e.
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Speaker 2: Sex.
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Speaker 1: It's called sugar dating. Sugar dating, Okay, it's just another
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Speaker 1: form of prostitution. Okay, being a sugar baby it's not
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Speaker 1: automatically illegal, but if you are getting money or gifts
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Speaker 1: in exchange for sex, that's a prostitution that is illegal. Now,
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Speaker 1: this website we're talking about, that dentist Craig used seek
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Speaker 1: dot com. Okay, quote high income matchmaking. That's how it's
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Speaker 1: described exclusive matchmaking for high earning professionals. This guy was
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Speaker 1: swimming in debt, his nostrils just barely above a sea
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Speaker 1: of debt. It says eighty percent success rate. Okay, elite
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Speaker 1: dating for high income Singlesugh. Anyway, that said he was
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Speaker 1: meeting sugar babies well before he murdered his wife. Now
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Speaker 1: can we get into the details on the murder. Angela,
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Speaker 1: the mother of six, was declared brain dead after suffering
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Speaker 1: mystery symptoms that started ten days before. According to prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: the dentist Craig poisoned her protein shakes and secretly fed
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Speaker 1: her deadly doses of cyanide, arsenic and more, including the
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Speaker 1: chemical found in eye.
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Speaker 3: Drops, ultimately killing her.
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Speaker 1: Also, this jury heard about a slew of mistresses, one
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Speaker 1: after the next, after the next, after the next. Her
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Speaker 1: family ultimately told all brain activity had ceased.
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Speaker 3: Now, on the eighth day of the.
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Speaker 1: Trial, Testimony kicked off from mistress number four, her name
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Speaker 1: Elizabeth Gore, told the Arapaho County jury she and the
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Speaker 1: porny dentist flew to Montana from Denver just a few
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Speaker 1: weeks after they met on a quote sugar dating site
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Speaker 1: called seeking dot com. Another so called sugar Bay be
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Speaker 1: Oh please, testified the previous day that would have been
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Speaker 1: day seven, that he also took her to Montana. After
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Speaker 1: a third mistress testified Craig bought her daughter a nine
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars car. All the mistresses agree that Craig was
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Speaker 1: unhappy in his marriage, but claimed a divorce would financially
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Speaker 1: destroy him.
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Speaker 3: You know what else will destroy you?
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Speaker 1: Trips skiing with all of your many mistresses and buying
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Speaker 1: them cars for their daughter.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that'll break you to man.
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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure the juriot had just about enough of
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Speaker 1: him for mistresses my rear end. What more do we
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Speaker 1: know about the so called porny dentist? Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to our friend Jackie Howard.
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Speaker 4: The lead up to James Craig's trial has been bizarre.
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Speaker 4: Two postponements, three different attorney teams, five added charges, and
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Speaker 4: a crazy action from an attorney who allegedly set his
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Speaker 4: own house on fire. Court documents show that Craig, jailed
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Speaker 4: on a murder charge of his wife, Angela, Craig still
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Speaker 4: allegedly worked to convince inmates, a former mistress, and even
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Speaker 4: one of his own children to tamper with evidence, to
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Speaker 4: plant it to make it look like Angela Craig wanted
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Speaker 4: to kill herself. Prosecutors say James Craig even made a
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Speaker 4: botched murder for hire attempt on the cases lead detective
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Speaker 4: just before a second attempt at trial last year. Craig
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Speaker 4: allegedly offered people cash and dental work in return for
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Speaker 4: a cover up. Craig insists he ordered poison because his
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Speaker 4: wife asked.
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Speaker 1: Him to what happened to the must just say frisky
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Speaker 1: dentist who had begun yet another sex affair behind his
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Speaker 1: wife's back, clearly not his first, and this with a
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Speaker 1: fellow dental worker a Texas with the donnist.
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Speaker 3: The dentist accused of poisoning.
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Speaker 1: His wife shakes with cyanide and a chemical that is
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Speaker 1: found in eye drops. Wow, if he put as much
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Speaker 1: thought into fixing his marriage as he did and to
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Speaker 1: how to murder his wife, that probably be the happiest
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Speaker 1: couple on earth. That said, what do we know about
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Speaker 1: what happened to Angela Craig?
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Speaker 3: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 5: After multiple recent hospital visits, Angela again checked into a
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Speaker 5: hospital Wednesday morning, complaining of a severe headache in dizziness.
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Speaker 5: Around two pm, she had a seizure, her condition rapidly declining,
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Speaker 5: doctors moving her to the ICU, where she was put
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Speaker 5: on life support before.
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Speaker 1: Passing away Saturday, joining me an all star panel to
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Speaker 1: make sense.
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Speaker 3: Of what we are learning.
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Speaker 1: This mom of six six and she's still really young
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Speaker 1: as well.
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Speaker 3: Apparently no college sweethearts.
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Speaker 1: Fall in love, they get married and immediately start having children.
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Speaker 1: That's how mom this young can have six children already,
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Speaker 1: And I.
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Speaker 3: Don't get it.
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Speaker 1: I want to go straight out to Stephan Tubb's host
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Speaker 1: of the podcast Arsenic Dds The Bizarre Case of Doctor
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Speaker 1: James Craig, which is an incredible podcast by the way. Okay,
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Speaker 1: I've done all this investigation and research, and I learned
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Speaker 1: even more by listening to that Arsenic Dds, The Bizarre
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Speaker 1: Case of Doctor James Craig. Stephan, I want to just
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Speaker 1: start with this young mom, Angela suddenly develops all these symptoms,
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Speaker 1: nobody can figure out what's wrong with her, and she
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Speaker 1: just bam dies. Now tell me about her original sentence,
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Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs.
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Speaker 6: Nancy, she got incredibly sick. And it wasn't just one
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Speaker 6: time in the hospital. It was multiple times that she
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Speaker 6: was feeling nauseous, that she just didn't feel something was right,
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Speaker 6: severe headaches, and she went to a local hospital. The
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Speaker 6: first time to the er. He was discharged and then
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Speaker 6: went to the same hospital like a week later.
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Speaker 1: It was Stephan, hold on, hold on, Stephan, I want
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Speaker 1: to go straight out to our shrink joining us in
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Speaker 1: addition to incredible panel of guests joining me Doctor Cheven Scott, psychotherapist,
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Speaker 1: author of the Minds of mass Killers.
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Speaker 3: So much more, Doctor Cheven, thank you for being with us.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever noticed how women's symptoms.
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Speaker 3: Just get discounted.
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Speaker 1: They come in, I'm nauseous, I feel dizzy, I've got
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Speaker 1: this severe headachehere they're like, oh you're.
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Speaker 3: Fine, bye. Yeah, I've been over and over to Angela.
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Speaker 7: What is it?
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Speaker 3: Are all women quote hysterical?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, there's there's even something called the w W syndrome,
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Speaker 8: and that stands for whiney woman, and medical doctors have
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Speaker 8: been known to talk about the women.
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Speaker 1: Wait wait, head blowing off right now?
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Speaker 3: The WuW syndrohn. Is that what you just said?
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Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, whitey woman. Yeah, I've read with some women
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Speaker 8: doctors have written books about this problem in the medical
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Speaker 8: profession where women are just dismissed and not taken seriously.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I've got so much to say about that, but
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Speaker 1: it will get me totally sidetracked off. This woman angela
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Speaker 1: mother of six. Okay, back to you, Stephan Tubbs joining me,
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Speaker 1: who has researched and investigated this case. Just to the detail, Stephan, So,
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Speaker 1: she had headaches, a severe headache. I think from what
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Speaker 1: I recall, that's what really made her decide to go
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Speaker 1: to the hospital. She was having nausea and felt dizzy,
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Speaker 1: but it was the headaches. I think she was worried
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Speaker 1: that she was having a stroke because the headache was
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Speaker 1: so severe.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, she was very very ill. She was very very
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Speaker 6: concerned about her own health and safety. This is a
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Speaker 6: mother of six. Not all of the children were inside
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Speaker 6: the home, but she's incredibly sick and wondering how the
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Speaker 6: hell she got sick.
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Speaker 3: Take a listen to this.
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Speaker 1: My stomach feels fine, although at one point, she said
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Speaker 1: she had nausea, but my head feels funny and dizzy,
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Speaker 1: very strange. I'm dizzy. My eyes don't want to focus.
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Speaker 1: I don't feel right in my head. No, this is
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Speaker 1: just weird. I'm dizzy in my head and my eyes
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Speaker 1: are working slowly. My body's responding slowly. I feel drugged.
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Speaker 1: Response from husband, the family man, Dennis. Given our history,
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Speaker 1: I know that must be triggering. Just for the record,
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Speaker 1: I didn't drug you. Whoa okay? As Shakespeare said me
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Speaker 1: thinks that does protest too much, you know, like when
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Speaker 1: a cop walks by and go, I don't have drugs
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Speaker 1: on me.
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Speaker 3: Anyway, Let's get back to it. Listen.
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Speaker 9: She was complaining of having a real nasty headache. She
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Speaker 9: was also complaining about her eyesight. She was having trouble focusing.
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Speaker 9: She said that she felt tingly. She said that she
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Speaker 9: felt cold. She's concerned that it could be a sinus infection,
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Speaker 9: and then there's some conversation about maybe she's diabetic. No
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Speaker 9: one is able to find an answer for what is
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Speaker 9: causing this otherwise healthy mother of six to be feeling
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Speaker 9: these horrendous symptoms. She goes back a few days later
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Speaker 9: March ninth, same symptoms, nausea, dizziness, headache, even some vomiting. Again,
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Speaker 9: the doctors can't figure out what's wrong with her. They
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Speaker 9: send her home, and then when she goes back for
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Speaker 9: a third time, that's when she's checked in and her
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Speaker 9: condition deteriorate quickly.
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Speaker 1: And there you say, doctor Chavonne Scott with us, who
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Speaker 1: just dropped a bombshale mommie about the WW syndrome. Whiny
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Speaker 1: woman drum. Now we're on round three. Okay, she's at
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Speaker 1: the hospital a third time. They keep sending her home
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Speaker 1: and sending her home. Now she codes. I guess that
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Speaker 1: means code read or whatever they call it in the hospital.
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Speaker 3: When you're dying. Yeah.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, just a horrifying, horrifying situation for a young woman
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Speaker 8: to be in with no explanation. It's hard to imagine
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Speaker 8: how frightened she must have been.
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Speaker 1: Eric Fattus joining me, high profile trial lawyer, TV legal
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Speaker 1: analysts founding partner Varner Fattest elite legal former felony prosecutor.
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Speaker 3: Eric, don't you just hate it.
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Speaker 1: When you're own client who's not charged with anything out
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Speaker 1: of the blue said I didn't drug you?
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Speaker 3: Because that's what he.
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Speaker 1: Said nobody said he did drug anybody, and all of
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Speaker 1: a sudden, he goes, just, FYI, I didn't drug you.
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Speaker 1: If my husband said, FYI I didn't drug you, I'm
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Speaker 1: going to need a defense attorney because he would jump
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Speaker 1: up and say that unless they drug the wife.
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Speaker 10: I hear you.
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Speaker 11: I mean, it's a curious statement, certainly suspicious in the
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Speaker 11: eyes of many, you know. On the other hand, I
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Speaker 11: think his defense is going to argue that the marriage
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Speaker 11: was on the rocks, things were tense, things were dicey,
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Speaker 11: and so you know, people say things that in the
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Speaker 11: of an event like this that that certainly could be
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Speaker 11: triggering for both parties. But yeah, the gravity of the
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Speaker 11: statement and sort of it coming out of nowhere is
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Speaker 11: not lost off triggering.
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Speaker 1: First of all, I don't know how that got popular
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Speaker 1: triggering for both parties. Are you telling me he the
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Speaker 1: dentist is triggered? What are you talking about? Why she's dead?
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Speaker 3: Okay, why are you talking about him getting triggered?
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Speaker 10: This conversation proceeded the death.
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Speaker 11: What I was saying is that, you know, when the
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Speaker 11: relationship is super rocky, sometimes when there are serious medical
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Speaker 11: events that come up, or just serious life events, those
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Speaker 11: things can be can add to the to the tenseness
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Speaker 11: of the situation, the stress of the situation, and he
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Speaker 11: could have been experiencing distress as well.
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Speaker 10: And sometimes things come.
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Speaker 1: Out rocky, rocky, that's what you call a string of
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Speaker 1: mistresses rocky.
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Speaker 3: That's more like an earthquake.
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Speaker 11: It is a serious event which just could have further
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Speaker 11: been destabilizing for the relationship. When something serious happens when
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Speaker 11: your spouse is sick, I think defense is going to
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Speaker 11: argue that, hey, thanks for really distressing yours heightened emotionality,
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Speaker 11: and sometimes people just say things that's at least some
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Speaker 11: defense likely friend.
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Speaker 3: Who is this guy?
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Speaker 12: My name is doctor Jim Craig and I practice as
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Speaker 12: a summer Brook Dental group. My approach to dentistry begins
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Speaker 12: with sincerely listening to the patient and wanting to find
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Speaker 12: out more about where they're coming from and what they're
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Speaker 12: looking for and what they want.
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Speaker 1: That's from the official Summerbrook Dentistry Facebook page. I want
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Speaker 1: to go straight out to Feel Waters, former homicide detective
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Speaker 1: from the Houston PD President CEO Kindred Spirits Investigations and
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Speaker 1: Security Phil that Eric Fattis is going to turn purple
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Speaker 1: and tell me this means nothing. But when you're a
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Speaker 1: husband the dentist who sits on one of those little
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Speaker 1: roly chairs all day long suddenly starts working out and
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Speaker 1: developing interests and getting sprayed hands, you better pay attention
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Speaker 1: what's going on here?
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Speaker 13: In homicide, of course, we'd call that a clue to
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Speaker 13: watch his behavior and the things that he's doing there.
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Speaker 13: I mean, I guess in isolation for that setting, he
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Speaker 13: appears to be a very attentive dentist, and he's really
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Speaker 13: into what he's doing, and he's trying to entertain his clients,
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Speaker 13: his patients as well as do the proper dental work
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Speaker 13: on them. In that particular setting, it does look like if,
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Speaker 13: of course we don't know what the timeline here is,
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Speaker 13: but if he's been hitting the gym and doing some
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Speaker 13: things that are trying to get his physique in a
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Speaker 13: better shape, that might be an indicator, of course, to
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Speaker 13: his wife in a general sense that though are you
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Speaker 13: doing this for me or are you doing this for
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Speaker 13: some other purpose?
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Speaker 1: Okay, take a look at this fattest and that's from
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Speaker 1: the summer Brook Dynasty facebook page. Just where we're getting that.
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Speaker 1: Do you say somebody's pomping iron in the gym.
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Speaker 11: All of a sudden, he does look a little jack there.
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Speaker 11: Defense is going to say, so what, Everyone's allowed to
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Speaker 11: take care of their own health. That's the homicide detective
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Speaker 11: just said. Maybe he was taking care of himself to
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Speaker 11: sort of rekindle the flame with his wife at the time.
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Speaker 11: We just don't know, but but yeah, I mean, even
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Speaker 11: if the relationship was on the rocks and he was
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Speaker 11: preparing for something new, that's not a crime.
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Speaker 5: When Angela is admitted to the hospital for the third
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Speaker 5: time in two weeks, James Craig only stops at the
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Speaker 5: hospital for half an hour before going out to get
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Speaker 5: food for his wife. Craig returns an hour and a
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Speaker 5: half later and goes into Angela's room alone.
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Speaker 3: Just a few minutes, Angela has.
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Speaker 5: A severe seizure in her vitals crash. While hospital staff
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Speaker 5: attempt to revive Angela, Craig takes photos of his unconscious wife.
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Speaker 5: Angela is stabilized with the ventilator but decleared brain dead.
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Speaker 1: Takes photos of his wife before we go to a
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Speaker 1: renowned physician and biomedical engineer, doctor Ernest Chiodo. Let me
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Speaker 1: go back to Stephan Tubbs, host of arsenic dds Stefan.
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Speaker 1: Why is he taking pictures of his wife as she's
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Speaker 1: dying and they're desperately trying to resuscitate her.
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Speaker 3: And she's got all kind of tubes in her. What happened?
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Speaker 6: He's at the foot of the bed and it's almost
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Speaker 6: as if he's almost halfway out of that room. Nancy,
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Speaker 6: it was bizarre to see for the first time, but
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Speaker 6: this is really the goodbye. I think he was taking
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Speaker 6: it for some of her family that were not in town.
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Speaker 6: She has a huge family. They mostly primarily live in Utah,
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Speaker 6: but he was there.
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Speaker 10: He then calls the business partner and his wife.
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Speaker 6: They had all done things as couples before, and this
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Speaker 6: was the goodbye when she was coding out at CU
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Speaker 6: Health and it was there that, to me, the entire
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Speaker 6: Domino started to fall.
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Speaker 1: Speaking of Domino's falling to doctor Ernest Shaoto, not only physician,
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Speaker 1: but attorney, biomedical engineer, toxicologist, and author of Toxic tort
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Speaker 1: Medical and Legal Elements.
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Speaker 3: Doctor Shayoto, thank you for joining us.
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Speaker 1: I'm sure in your residency and in practicing medicine, you've
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Speaker 1: been in a lot of sickrooms.
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Speaker 3: And even death rooms.
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Speaker 1: Do you not find that bizarre that he is taking
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Speaker 1: pictures of his wife as she's coding out, in other words,
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Speaker 1: as hospital personnel are furiously trying to save her life
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Speaker 1: and he's taking pictures.
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Speaker 14: It's highly unusual.
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Speaker 1: Yes, doctor Chaoto, Have you ever seen someone take photos
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Speaker 1: of their wife while they're trying to resuscitate her and
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Speaker 1: bring her back to life, you know, pounding on her chest,
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Speaker 1: using those electrical stimulators on her chest. Everybody's screaming, everybody's
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Speaker 1: rushing into the room, and he's in the corner taking pictures.
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Speaker 1: Have you ever seen that happen, doctor Chaoto? No, I
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Speaker 1: haven't either, and I have investigated, prosecuted, and covered. I
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Speaker 1: can't even count the number of deaths and homicides. To
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Speaker 1: doctor Chevon Scott, I'm right there. As Stephan Tubbs said,
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Speaker 1: that was when the weirdness was marked and noted when
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Speaker 1: he was taking picture. I don't care what he says.
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Speaker 1: This is to send to her extended family. That's bs
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Speaker 1: technical legal term.
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Speaker 3: What does that mean? I mean, I know something's wrong
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Speaker 3: with it, but I don't know what it is.
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Speaker 8: Yeah, it's a puzzle to me as well, because it
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Speaker 8: seems so out of the normal range of human behavior.
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Speaker 8: None of us can put ourselves in that situation and
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Speaker 8: imagine that we'd be picking up a camera as our
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Speaker 8: loved one was dying.
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Speaker 3: So what in the world was he doing?
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Speaker 8: I don't know that I have a good answer for that,
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Speaker 8: but it's definitely a red flag.
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Speaker 15: While his wife, Angela is fighting for her life in
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Speaker 15: the hospital, her devoted husband is emailing his mistress. James
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Speaker 15: told her something had happened to Angela, and she responded
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Speaker 15: with how sorry she was for him and that she
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Speaker 15: wished she was helping him, not pulling him away. She
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Speaker 15: stated she knew it had to be so hard what
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Speaker 15: he was going through, and that she wanted to be
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Speaker 15: there for him, but did not want to mix with
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Speaker 15: his family and friends and pretend to be only a
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Speaker 15: friend when there was something more.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's so hard on a mistress when she
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Speaker 1: has to pretend to just be friends in front of
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Speaker 1: his wife. I hate when that happens. Fattest, what do
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Speaker 1: you have to say to that? What about when a
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Speaker 1: jury hears about him while his wife is lying there dying.
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Speaker 1: He's emailing his mistress, his hobbie, and she says, I
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Speaker 1: can't take it.
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Speaker 3: I can't stand to act.
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Speaker 1: Like we're just friends when we're so much more. Has
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Speaker 1: everybody lost their minds?
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Speaker 10: On the surface, certainly problematic.
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Speaker 11: It's going to be difficult to neutralize for the defense,
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Speaker 11: you know, I think that they might consider something like,
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Speaker 11: you know, there have been instances where even a person's
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Speaker 11: wife has like given them an organ. You know that
23:36
Speaker 11: there's this, is like that, and then there's still infidelity.
23:40
Speaker 11: There are still cheating. Human beings can do underhanded stuff.
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Speaker 11: They do stuff that is surprising that it's hard to understand.
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Speaker 11: And I think that that could be what was going
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Speaker 11: on here, and that could be how the defense posters
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Speaker 11: it to the jury.
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Speaker 3: Well, you know, there's another whole thing there.
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Speaker 1: Hold on just a moment to a doctor Chauven Scott,
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Speaker 1: many women would tell you, not me, but many women
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Speaker 1: would tell you I'd rather my husband just go have
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Speaker 1: sex with somebody than to actually fall in love.
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Speaker 3: I mean, if my husband did either one.
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Speaker 1: Basically, it's open marriage, open casket, bam.
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Speaker 3: That says it all.
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Speaker 1: But some women would prefer the husband, if they're going
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Speaker 1: to do anything, to just go have sex with somebody
24:23
Speaker 1: wham bam done, as opposed to falling in love with someone.
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Speaker 1: Can you explain that odd sentiment.
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Speaker 8: The difference between having that kind of deep attachment with
24:35
Speaker 8: somebody I guess would be the love and so yeah,
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Speaker 8: there are even people who have very open marriages where
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Speaker 8: sexual exploits outside of the relationship are absolutely fine. But
24:48
Speaker 8: the idea is that you always have your primary emotional
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Speaker 8: bond with your partner.
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Speaker 7: Colorado mom of six, Angela Craig spends the month of
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Speaker 7: March in and out of hospital, complaining of strange symptoms
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Speaker 7: for which doctors seem to have no answers. Meanwhile, her
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Speaker 7: dentist husband is receiving the sterious packages to his office.
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Speaker 1: You earlier heard podcast The Star of Arsenic Dds Stephan
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Speaker 1: Tubbs refer to Domino's began to fall.
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Speaker 3: Well here they go listen.
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Speaker 10: Still in the parking lot.
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Speaker 16: After visiting Angela in the hospital, Ryan Redfern gets a
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Speaker 16: call from James Craig, his partner in Summerbrook. As Craig
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Speaker 16: starts to ask Redfern if he had said anything to
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Speaker 16: Angela's nurses, Redford cuts him off, saying he told the
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Speaker 16: nurses about the package Craig received at the office. Craig
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Speaker 16: says the package contained a ring for Angela, but Redfern replies,
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Speaker 16: it's not a ring. We know what's in there.
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Speaker 5: After their phone call, James Craig sends Ryan Redfern a
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Speaker 5: flurry of angry texts, accusing him of creating huge problems
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Speaker 5: by getting police involved without talking to him first.
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Speaker 3: Craig tells Redfern.
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Speaker 5: If he really is a friend, he and the remaining
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Speaker 5: office employees will not speak with cops anymore.
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Speaker 1: Huge red flag when somebody says, don't talk to the cops.
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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy.
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Speaker 2: Grace Seeking dot Com.
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Speaker 1: I'm quoting Seeking is a community that celebrates the pursuit
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Speaker 1: of exceptional connections. Our platform empowers success minded. I don't
26:30
Speaker 1: think success was on his mind. Success minded individuals to
26:34
Speaker 1: embrace their desires and foster meaningful relationships rooted in intention, authenticity,
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Speaker 1: and honesty. What a crop of bs? Okay, honesty. This
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Speaker 1: guy was juggling multiple women while his wife dying in
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Speaker 1: the hospital, and long before that. This is gross. Sugar babies? Oh,
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Speaker 1: is Seeking still a sugar daddy website? Okay? There was
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Speaker 1: a predecessor called Seeking Arrangements that was not even embarrassed.
27:13
Speaker 1: It gave sugar babies and daddies asylum. Now seeking dot
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Speaker 1: com claims it's not a sugar baby haven, but that's
27:22
Speaker 1: where they met. I'm just telling you what the facts are.
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Speaker 1: The facts that came out at trial. Now, remember the
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Speaker 1: jury heard from four mistresses, and you know that's got
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Speaker 1: to be the tip of the iceberg.
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Speaker 3: Those are four that we know of, you know, listen
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Speaker 3: to this.
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Speaker 1: Witnesses also testified at trial that Craig, the dentist this
27:47
Speaker 1: way everybody hates dentists, asked his teen daughter to fabricate
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Speaker 1: a deep fake exonerating him by showing her own mother
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Speaker 1: asking him for poison, as well as the former salemate
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Speaker 1: who said that Dennis ordered hits on the lead detective
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Speaker 1: from behind bars.
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Speaker 3: What is wrong with this man? Is he at all
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Speaker 3: self aware? Does he even know he's alive? Does he
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Speaker 3: even know what he has done?
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Speaker 1: Ordering a hit on the detective from behind bars, asking
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Speaker 1: his teen daughter to create a deep fake where her
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Speaker 1: dead mom asks for poison. Oh, what more do we
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Speaker 1: know about the case. The dominoes begin to fall. What
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Speaker 1: about the dental practice partner?
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Speaker 10: Yeah, Ryan Redfern.
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Speaker 6: Some would consider him to be the hero in this
28:43
Speaker 6: because he's the one that after the phone call and
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Speaker 6: as you just outlined on the program. He tells Jim
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Speaker 6: via the cell phone. He says, Jim, stop talking, get
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Speaker 6: a lawyer to backtrack. We're talking about arsenic that was
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Speaker 6: allegedly purchased online. And I mean the computer records at
29:01
Speaker 6: the dental practice were very easy for police investigators. But
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Speaker 6: it was the package of potassium cyanid that was delivered
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Speaker 6: to the actual dentist's office opened by some you know employee.
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Speaker 6: She starts to go what is this potassium siyanide? She
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Speaker 6: literally sees the skull and crossbones on the packaging.
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Speaker 10: She looks it up. It clicks in her mind.
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Speaker 6: Wait a minute, this is exactly these are the kinds
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Speaker 6: of symptoms that Angela Craig is experiencing. She then calls Redfern,
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Speaker 6: the partner, and that's how the domino starts to fall.
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Speaker 3: By joining me.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Ernest Toyoto attorney, physician, biomedical engineer, toxicologist and author
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Speaker 1: of Toxic Torque, Medical and Legal Elements. Doctor Toyoto explain
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Speaker 1: what the symptoms of that particular poison would be.
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Speaker 14: Well, there's a number of different poisons involved, but cyani
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Speaker 14: you just really have very rapid loss of blood pressure,
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Speaker 14: loss of consciousness and very rapid depth arsenic. You tend
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Speaker 14: to get periphoneuropathy and burning in the in your hands
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Speaker 14: and feet. It's more of a slow poison. It was
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Speaker 14: really interesting. Is a tetrahydral zoline, which is interestingly found
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Speaker 14: in eye drops to get the redness out of your eyes.
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Speaker 14: It's a it's a what they call an alpha agonist.
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Speaker 14: It causes constriction of blood vessels and that causes confusion,
30:42
Speaker 14: can cause loss of consciousness, coma, and that sounds a
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Speaker 14: lot more like the symptoms that she was having in
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Speaker 14: the hospital.
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Speaker 1: The wife, guys, we look carefully at the movements and
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Speaker 1: actions leading up to her last hospitalization and what led
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Speaker 1: up to the previous two hospitalizations.
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Speaker 16: Listen, the husband and wife go for a run or
31:09
Speaker 16: hit the gym together almost every day, and when they
31:12
Speaker 16: return home, James Craig makes protein shakes or fruit smoothies
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Speaker 16: for breakfast while Angela delves into getting the kids ready
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Speaker 16: for the day.
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Speaker 9: We think he was using to poison Angula over the
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Speaker 9: course of several weeks, actually including it in her protein shapes,
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Speaker 9: even helping her along or trying to reassure her when
31:31
Speaker 9: she was complaining of sickness Business NLGA. He was sort
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Speaker 9: of still encouraging her to.
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Speaker 14: Drink a sluid.
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Speaker 1: Okay, let me understand something, Stephan Tubbs joining me. Isn't
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Speaker 1: it true that on a prior occasion she had gotten
31:44
Speaker 1: stabilized and then he goes out and comes back and
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Speaker 1: brings her food like a doting husband in the hospital
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Speaker 1: and suddenly she goes into seizures.
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Speaker 6: That's true. Yeah, she was in the hospital. Remember three
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Speaker 6: different times. She was in the hospital, three different times.
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Speaker 6: Reading the affidavit, which reads like a bad Hollywood script,
32:05
Speaker 6: it looks like investigators feel she is consistently being offered
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Speaker 6: the food and in primary fashion, the protein shakes while
32:14
Speaker 6: she's in and keep in mind all of these text
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Speaker 6: messages that are going back and forth. Do you feel
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Speaker 6: like a smoothie? Is there anything I can bring you?
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Speaker 6: And this goes on for the better part of the
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Speaker 6: month of March.
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Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs, are you telling me he would email her
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Speaker 1: or text her in the hospital say can I bring
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Speaker 1: you a smoothie?
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Speaker 6: One thousand percent that is in the affidavit. I've seen
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Speaker 6: the screenshots of the text messages. She's in the hospital
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Speaker 6: three different times. There's text messaging. I mean dozens and
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Speaker 6: dozens of them, if not hundreds of them, going back
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Speaker 6: and forth, do you feel like something? What do you
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Speaker 6: feel like? Can I bring you anything? And it was
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Speaker 6: usually in the form of a smoothie and.
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Speaker 3: Then the other shoe drops listen.
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Speaker 4: With suspicions raised, Angela Craig is sent for an autopsy
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Speaker 4: with additional toxicology screening. Test revealed the otherwise healthy mom
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Speaker 4: of six died of poisoning from both sinide and tetrahydrosylene,
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Speaker 4: a common ingredient in eye drops. While investigators have no
33:13
Speaker 4: definitive evidence Angela's food and drinks were poisoned with cyanide,
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Speaker 4: the test reveal her sinide levels increased while she was
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Speaker 4: in the hospital.
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Speaker 1: Stephen Tubbs, her levels increased while she's in the hospital.
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that was probably the biggest shocker in
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Speaker 6: a shocking story in the Denver metro area that we
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Speaker 6: got wored and read the autopsy. Her levels of cyanide
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Speaker 6: increased while she's.
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Speaker 10: In the hospital. I mean, to me, it was and
33:44
Speaker 10: remains unprecedented.
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Speaker 6: I've never heard a story like that, and doctors didn't
33:48
Speaker 6: know again what they were looking for, right, and it
33:50
Speaker 6: was just when the domino started to fall and people
33:53
Speaker 6: started to talk the business partner that they started to
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Speaker 6: look into. Wait a minute, these are the signs of poisoning.
33:59
Speaker 6: And certainly we know what the autopsy revealed.
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Speaker 1: But I mean, to me, Stephan, it would all blow
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Speaker 1: up when the dental assistant opens up a package and
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Speaker 1: it's cyanide.
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Speaker 6: Oh remember though, Nancy, it was supposed to be a
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Speaker 6: ring for Angela. I mean, the Kakamami stories just were
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Speaker 6: over and over.
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Speaker 3: Where do you get cyanide? Stephan?
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Speaker 1: You can just order it up on Amazon? I mean,
34:22
Speaker 1: where do you get cyanide?
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Speaker 6: So one of the two there were purchase orders for
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Speaker 6: Amazon dot Com, which was amazing. I can't believe it
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Speaker 6: was either cyanide or the potassium h that.
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Speaker 3: Was a joke. Are you serious? You can get cyanide
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Speaker 3: on Amazon?
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Speaker 6: There you go right there on your screen. Yeah, I'm
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Speaker 6: going to buy this on Amazon. First of all, somebody
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Speaker 6: beso arsenic, Yeah, arsenic? But you yeah.
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Speaker 10: And then look at.
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Speaker 1: This packcast left inside residence's mailbox. So I guess he
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Speaker 1: thought he was being super smart by having it delivered
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Speaker 1: to the dentist office so his wife wouldn't the arsenic, right,
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Speaker 1: don't open this, okay, So what happens Stephan when the
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Speaker 1: dental assistant opens up a box and it's arsenic?
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Speaker 6: I think her eyes abow bugged out of her head,
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Speaker 6: is what happened. She sees this package, she opens it up.
35:15
Speaker 6: Another office assistant came in and said, you weren't supposed
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Speaker 6: to open that.
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Speaker 10: Well, gots out of the bag.
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Speaker 6: She sees the skull and crossbones, and then she again
35:24
Speaker 6: puts the pieces together. Wait a minute, potassium cyanide. She
35:28
Speaker 6: calls doctor Redfern, the partner of Jim Craig, and says, uh,
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Speaker 6: you got a package here, and then that's where you
35:35
Speaker 6: fast forward, you know. Redfern confronts Jim Craig and says,
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Speaker 6: why are you buying potassium cyanide for the dental practice?
35:44
Speaker 6: And of course the lie was, oh that's really it's
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Speaker 6: a gift.
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Speaker 10: It was it was a ring for Angela. Well, there
35:50
Speaker 10: was no ring inside.
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Speaker 1: Doctor Earnest Chioto joining us, a renowned physician and lawyer
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Speaker 1: and author. Doctor Chioto, she couldn't taste something odd in
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Speaker 1: her protein shakes. I mean, what does arsenic or cyanide tastelite.
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Speaker 14: Arsenake's going to taste sort of have a garlet sort
36:11
Speaker 14: of taste, whereas cyanide really wouldn't. Sometimes it is an
36:20
Speaker 14: order of bitter almonds. So whether or not she could
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Speaker 14: taste the arsenake or cyanide would really be a matter
36:30
Speaker 14: of how much was in the shape. The small amount
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Speaker 14: you may not taste it.
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Speaker 9: He clearly thought he was more intelligent than he was.
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Speaker 9: He was using a different computer in his dentist practice,
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Speaker 9: the one that he owned, and then he had this
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Speaker 9: alternate email address. I think it was something along the
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Speaker 9: lenes of Jim and Waffles at gmail dot com, at
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Speaker 9: gmail or at AOL or at hotmail dot com. I
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Speaker 9: don't recall which you exactly, but hardly a criminal mastermind.
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Speaker 9: He was actually in two million dollars of personal debt,
37:03
Speaker 9: and it was because he made some really terrible investments
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Speaker 9: in some dodgy crypto currency turned out to be worth
37:10
Speaker 9: absolutely nothing.
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Speaker 10: He gambled the family part.
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Speaker 9: With these really risky investment choices, and then by the
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Speaker 9: time we came to find out about him, he was really.
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Speaker 3: Up to his neck. He filed for personal.
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Speaker 9: Bankruptcy, he foiled it for professional bankruptcy.
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Speaker 3: Oh my stars. Eric fattis renowned attorney.
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Speaker 1: Don't you just hate it when your mastermind client just
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Speaker 1: uses a fake email to find out all about cyanide
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Speaker 1: and order Arsenic from Amazon?
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Speaker 3: That really worked.
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Speaker 10: Well, Nancy.
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Speaker 11: You know that there is a potential alternsive explanation as
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Speaker 11: to why I was doing that, As we've talked about,
37:54
Speaker 11: his marriage of twenty three years was on the rocks.
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Speaker 11: He had filed for bankruptcy twice, he had a history
37:59
Speaker 11: of depression. SINID can be used to hurt others, but
38:02
Speaker 11: I can also be used to hurt oneself, and that's
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Speaker 11: something that one might not want to broadcast other people
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Speaker 11: and might use surreptitious means to try to procure it,
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Speaker 11: which it sounds like you do.
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Speaker 1: You know, Eric, you know something you've got to tell
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Speaker 1: and I better better inform you about it before you
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Speaker 1: go to Vegas. The crazier your arguments get the faster
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Speaker 1: you talk, and I love that about you, and I'm
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Speaker 1: telling you because I really don't think you can stop yourself.
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Speaker 1: But that said, so you're suggesting now you're just spinning.
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Speaker 3: It out right like you're throwing a frisbee. You're just
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Speaker 3: throwing it at me.
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Speaker 1: That he really ordered the cyanide and the arsenic for himself, right.
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Speaker 3: You're equally consistent with that? And what about this?
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Speaker 1: Have you ever had a client try to suborn perjury?
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Speaker 3: Kind of a deal? Dancers for Perjury listen.
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Speaker 17: According to prosecutors, this isn't the first time James Craig
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Speaker 17: has tried to recruit fake witnesses. James Craig gets friendly
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Speaker 17: with several inmates at the Arapa Ho Detention Center and
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Speaker 17: learns William Billy Walden's mother hates her dentures but can't
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Speaker 17: afford implans. Craig asks Walden to let him talk to
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Speaker 17: his mom the next time he gives her a call.
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Speaker 17: Over the phone, Craig tells Rebecca Walden he'll give her
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Speaker 17: a brand new set of teeth when he gets out,
39:16
Speaker 17: saying he's certain to get off because he didn't kill
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Speaker 17: his wife. Craig gets Walden's address and tells her he'll
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Speaker 17: give her more details in a letter.
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Speaker 1: So faddest Dancers for Perjury thoughts not the best.
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Speaker 10: Deal, certainly a bad look.
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Speaker 11: But on the other hand, defense is going to say, hey,
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Speaker 11: look he was He's been in jail for a long time.
39:36
Speaker 11: He's been adamant about his innocence. He's getting desperate. He
39:39
Speaker 11: needs to do something to try to change things. And
39:42
Speaker 11: this is the sort of hair brain scheme he came
39:44
Speaker 11: up with. It's problematic, but doesn't mean he committed murder.
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Speaker 1: Okay, I had a funny feeling you would say that
39:48
Speaker 1: about the dentures for perjury scheme? Well, what about hatties
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Speaker 1: for dentures? Hatties at O T T I E S
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Speaker 1: listen fattest.
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Speaker 16: In early twenty two, twenty four, a letter from Craig
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Speaker 16: to Rebecca Walden, inmate William Walden's mother, was returned to
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Speaker 16: the Rapahoe Detention Center as undeliverable. The letter contains an
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Speaker 16: offer to provide Rebecca Walden with free dental implants if
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Speaker 16: she recruits several young, attractive women to pose as Craig's
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Speaker 16: affair partners. Craig instructs Walden to have the women tell
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Speaker 16: authorities that Angela confronted them about Craig's affairs, then recruited
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Speaker 16: them to help her frame Craig for her murder.
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Speaker 1: Okay, what happens, Stephan Tubbs, where do the hotties enter
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Speaker 1: the scene?
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Speaker 6: In a desperate plea to get out of the Arapaho
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Speaker 6: County jail. I mean, at this point there's no death
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Speaker 6: penalty in Colorado. He has nothing to lose. He's been
40:43
Speaker 6: accused of trying a solicitation for murder of the lead
40:47
Speaker 6: detective in this I mean, it's not just the hotties
40:50
Speaker 6: or the free teeth or whatever. Jim Craig is trying
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Speaker 6: any way that he can, at least according to those
40:58
Speaker 6: of us following the case closely, him, do whatever he
41:01
Speaker 6: can to possibly grasp at straws to convince one juror
41:05
Speaker 6: once this thing finally starts to create that.
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Speaker 10: Doubt. But it's been crazy. The hits just keep on coming.
41:13
Speaker 6: I literally, less than two weeks ago had a guy
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Speaker 6: reach out to me. Don't know him from anybody, He says, Hey,
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Speaker 6: I was serving in the Appaho County detention facility with
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Speaker 6: Craig until last October. You won't believe what he told me.
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Speaker 6: He even gave me a letter. It's crazy, and it continues.
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Speaker 4: In the letters to Constantinidis, Craig offers a blank check
41:32
Speaker 4: in exchange for spoofed texts, phone records, and doctored photographs
41:37
Speaker 4: that can help convince authorities. Constantinidis knew Angela in life,
41:41
Speaker 4: and that the mom of six was suicidal after learning
41:44
Speaker 4: of his latest affair. Craig details some of his previous
41:47
Speaker 4: affairs in the letter, admitting he first cheated on Angela
41:50
Speaker 4: with a patient in two thousand and nine, and provides
41:53
Speaker 4: personal information about his children in an attempt to make
41:57
Speaker 4: their lives incredible.
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Speaker 3: Crime stories with Nancy Greece. What a creep.
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Speaker 1: I cannot even say. This dentist is insane. He's just disgusting.
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Speaker 1: One hospital worker describes dentist Craig as quote doting. He
42:22
Speaker 1: kept going to nurses and doctors asking about his wife's
42:26
Speaker 1: mystery illness. He repeatedly updated her nine siblings through a
42:32
Speaker 1: big text chain. All the while he is writing a
42:39
Speaker 1: quote sugar baby while his wife, Angela is in the hospital.
42:43
Speaker 1: Quote I just woke up dreaming about making love to you.
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Speaker 1: I love you and want you.
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Speaker 2: Can I just, you know, slap him right now?
42:52
Speaker 1: Can I just? I can't reach him, but I want to.
42:56
Speaker 1: As his wife late dying, he was not only plotting
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Speaker 1: to kill her, but he was intent on meeting up
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Speaker 1: with quote sugar babies. Oh. The jurors heard excerpts from
43:14
Speaker 1: Angela's diaries, her journals, she agonized over her marriage and
43:19
Speaker 1: about her husband's repeat affairs. She knew about affairs, but
43:23
Speaker 1: I don't think she knew he was actively trying to
43:26
Speaker 1: hook up with sugar babies and giving them money to
43:30
Speaker 1: do that, all the while he was attending group counseling
43:37
Speaker 1: and therapy to work on the marriage. I mean, the
43:43
Speaker 1: degree of deception just looking at his face. I want
43:47
Speaker 1: to slap him so much. Then I want to cut
43:50
Speaker 1: the cross out of all of his pants and burn
43:52
Speaker 1: them in the front yard and stir them like I'm
43:55
Speaker 1: stirring a big bowl of grits. Okay, back to what
43:59
Speaker 1: matters this beautiful mom of six, her life and her death.
44:07
Speaker 1: Not only did he try to arrange quote hatties attractive
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Speaker 1: women to claim they were his sex partners to tell
44:17
Speaker 1: authorities his dead wife confronted him about his affairs and that.
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Speaker 3: She was going to commit suicide.
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Speaker 1: So your suicide fantasy is actually hatching in the defendant's mind.
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Speaker 3: All right, So he's taking.
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Speaker 1: Your cue, but he's soliciting, suborning, for lack of a
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Speaker 1: better word, perjury by haughties to say his dead wife
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Speaker 1: confronted them. Not only that he has eight dentures for
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Speaker 1: perjury scheme with somebody else. Now we're learning according to
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Speaker 1: Stephan Tubbs, he tried to order a hit on a detective.
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Speaker 1: Have a detective murdered?
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Speaker 3: What about it?
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Speaker 14: You know?
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Speaker 11: I think what he'll say is that a person who
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Speaker 11: feels that they are innocent, they are being railroaded, they
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Speaker 11: have been in jail for a long period of time,
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Speaker 11: months and months, that they don't feel like they have
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Speaker 11: a way to get out, They're going.
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Speaker 10: To resort to desperate acts.
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Speaker 11: And perhaps in his mind he thought that, hey, if
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Speaker 11: I eliminate the head honchhow in this investigation, perhaps the
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Speaker 11: investigation falls apart. Certainly not lawful, certainly not okay, but
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Speaker 11: also not the same thing as proving him guilty of murdering.
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Speaker 1: His What doctor Ernest Chaoto joining US renowned physician and author,
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Speaker 1: not to Shayoto, what does a victim experience as they
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Speaker 1: die from cyanide or arsenic poisoning?
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Speaker 14: Well, if they're going to be different, arsenic is going
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Speaker 14: to be sort of a slow, agonizing death, or as
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Speaker 14: cyanides can be very rapid, you're really going to end
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Speaker 14: up with sufficient cyanide, You're going to end up dying
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Speaker 14: with the moments. So they are really two different types
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Speaker 14: of gap due to two very different.
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Speaker 1: Toxic pheil waters joining us former homicide detective Houston, PD,
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Speaker 1: President of Kindred Spirits Investigations dot com. You know, Phil,
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Speaker 1: you and I have handled a lot of murders, a
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Speaker 1: lot of homicides, be they involuntary, voluntary, or mouse murder.
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Speaker 3: It takes a special kind of mind, would.
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Speaker 1: You agree, Phil? This is not getting angry and pulling
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Speaker 1: a gun and shooting. This is months and months of planning,
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Speaker 1: of scheming, of Google searches, and lovingly feeding your wife
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Speaker 1: protein shakes laced with poison and in watching her suffer
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Speaker 1: feel well exactly.
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Speaker 10: You know, this is a.
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Speaker 13: This is an evil act on this guy's part. I
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Speaker 13: won't even recognize him by saying his name, and we
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Speaker 13: see this and he is obsessed with killing his wife,
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Speaker 13: murdering his wife, the mother of his six children. And
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Speaker 13: this is something that for as you put it, for months,
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Speaker 13: has been thinking about this every minute of every day.
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Speaker 13: And so when he's going into these search engines and
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Speaker 13: trying to figure out what kind of poison is the
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Speaker 13: best one, he's and that kind of thing.
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Speaker 10: I'll tell you.
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Speaker 13: What it's just I hope he's a better dentist than
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Speaker 13: he was a murderer, because what he did is idiotic
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Speaker 13: in terms of trying to accomplish the task murder his
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Speaker 13: wife and try to have some sort of a story
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Speaker 13: that's going to take the suspicion away from you. Everything
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Speaker 13: he did in the process here pointed to him. So
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Speaker 13: when we get these investigations, we always look for affirmative links.
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Speaker 13: We let the evidence take us where we need to be,
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Speaker 13: and it's always a journey for the truth. In this
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Speaker 13: particular guy, I listened to the defense with all due
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Speaker 13: to respect. These these episodes of isolation that we're talking about,
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Speaker 13: where you know, he's cheating, that didn't make him a
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Speaker 13: murder and so on and so on. This has to
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Speaker 13: be looked at in a timeline of events. If we
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Speaker 13: can determine when this started, and then of course we
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Speaker 13: know where it ended and what were the events that
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Speaker 13: occurred in between that got us to the point. You know,
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Speaker 13: this taking pictures and so forth of the of his
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Speaker 13: wife in the hospital when she's dying. You know, when
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Speaker 13: I was listening to that discussion, I'm more prone to
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Speaker 13: believe that he was going to use use those pictures
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Speaker 13: to gain some sympathy from the woman that he was
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Speaker 13: wanting to.
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Speaker 10: A squire around.
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Speaker 13: So you know, he had a purpose for all the
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Speaker 13: things that he did, and it was just it was
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Speaker 13: just kind of stupid.
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Speaker 10: Is as stupid?
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Speaker 13: Does it just continue to get more idiotic as you
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Speaker 13: went through this process, thinking that what people are going
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Speaker 13: to believe this story that he's come up with.
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Speaker 1: And you know another thing, Phil, as you and I
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Speaker 1: you as a homicide detective, me as a felony prosecutor,
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Speaker 1: we would go about our business every day not thinking
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Speaker 1: that an inmate behind bars is trying to have us killed,
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Speaker 1: have us killed to thwart the investigation. I bet you
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Speaker 1: never thought about that while you were detecting.
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Speaker 10: No, when I.
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Speaker 13: Worked in narcotics, I did have a contract put out
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Speaker 13: on me. So I'm a little familiar.
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Speaker 1: We all, for Pete's sake, we've all gotten death thrusts.
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Speaker 1: The first one I had was faxed over from the
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Speaker 1: Fulton County Jail.
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Speaker 3: Didn't take too much to figure that one out.
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Speaker 15: But it is.
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Speaker 1: Arrogance, yes, yes, the level of arrogance to think he
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Speaker 1: can get away with everything and fix it all by
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Speaker 1: doing a dentures for perjury scheme and having the lead
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Speaker 1: detective murdered.
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Speaker 3: This woman is dead and.
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Speaker 1: Probably her last thoughts were Who's going to take care
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Speaker 1: of my children? Prosecutors alleged to a jury James Craig
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Speaker 1: the Colorado Dennis considered his wife a quote problem.
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Speaker 3: Really he didn't think that when she gave birth to
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Speaker 3: his six children.
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Speaker 1: Diddy and poisoned her with a combination of cyanide, arsenic
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Speaker 1: and tetra hydrozylene that is in eyedrops. It constricts your
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Speaker 1: or if you put it in your eyes, it constricts
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Speaker 1: the veins in your eyes so you don't see the
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Speaker 1: red in your eyes. Does the same thing to someone's heart.
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Speaker 1: It constricts the blood vessels around the heart and gives
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Speaker 1: you a heart attack.
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Speaker 3: Now again.
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Speaker 1: The third oldest child, Annabelle, testified about one of his
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Speaker 1: many many plots, including soliciting first degree murder and tampering
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Speaker 1: with physical evidence and suborning perjury.
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Speaker 3: From behind bars.
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Speaker 1: Her dad, she testified under oath, called her from behind
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Speaker 1: bars shortly after his arrest and asked her to create
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Speaker 1: a deep fake, claiming that the mom wanted the poisoning.
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Speaker 1: The letter that he wrote admitted to pass sex affairs
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Speaker 1: and told the daughter her parents have been playing a
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Speaker 1: quote game of Chicken with Craig, claiming Angela asked him
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Speaker 1: to order the fatal poisons. That's when he wanted a
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Speaker 1: quote deep fake video of mom saying she asked Craig
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Speaker 1: to order Cyanide, Arsenic and Oleander, and she was going
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Speaker 1: to take it herself, dragging his daughter into this. The
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Speaker 1: letter written by him offered instructions including buying a cheap laptop,
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Speaker 1: installing a VPN, a private network, and using the dark Web,
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Speaker 1: even asking his daughter to set up an anonymous email,
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Speaker 1: and buying a prepaid Visa gift card.
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Speaker 5: I mean.
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Speaker 1: He then told his own daughter to burn the video
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Speaker 1: onto thumb drives, tell investigators she found them amongst her
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Speaker 1: mother's things, and then destroyed the laptop.
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Speaker 3: He pulled his own daughter into this.
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Speaker 1: If you're sitting down, you may need to lay down.
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Speaker 1: I've managed to dig up dentist Craig's profile on the
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Speaker 1: Sugar dating site that listed him as rich and married
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Speaker 1: but looking what married but looking okay? As I've told
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Speaker 1: my husband many many times, open marriage, open casket for you,
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Speaker 1: okay to this guy's website love the outdoors, love to travel. Wait,
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Speaker 1: let me rephrase love the outdoors as I run from
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Speaker 1: hotel to motel, Love to travel as I dash out
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Speaker 1: of my home to the car. I spotted a tree
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Speaker 1: as I'm hopping in the car to meet you at
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Speaker 1: a cheap motel. I love snowboarding, mountain biking, fly fishing, hiking,
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Speaker 1: and camping in my spare time. While I'm not trying
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Speaker 1: to have sex with sugar babies, I love to work
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Speaker 1: out and consider myself to be in decent shape, especially
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Speaker 1: the pelvic area.
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Speaker 2: Wealthy but prudent.
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Speaker 1: No you're not. You're going bankrupt. I require discretion so
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Speaker 1: my wife won't find out. Not looking to change my situation.
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Speaker 1: In other words, the divorce would be costly. Would like
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Speaker 1: to meet at once a month or so. That's romantic.
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Speaker 1: Maybe for travel when I have to go out of
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Speaker 1: town for work. Oh oh, that's fun. We can stay
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Speaker 1: in the hotel and order crappy room service. I am
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Speaker 1: a dentist grut a note you know they've got a
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Speaker 1: very high suicide rate, and own other businesses as well.
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Speaker 2: Really, what business is that?
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Speaker 1: I am a guest speaker at many dental conventions. Oh,
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Speaker 1: that makes for sparkling personality and meetings. So I travel
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Speaker 1: about once a month, sometimes internationally. What to Canada, I
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Speaker 1: mean this guy? Oh okay, wait a minute, stop everything.
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture that he posted of himself
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Speaker 1: naked in bed with just a sheep barely covering his
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Speaker 1: crych areat looking quote playful obviously in a hotel somewhere.
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Speaker 1: Excuse me, I just got a vomit, just a little
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Speaker 1: bit in my mouth right now as we go to
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Speaker 1: air tonight. Apparently Craig is plotting his appeal.
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Speaker 2: Good luck with that. The only way you're getting out
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Speaker 2: of this is.
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Speaker 1: If a majority of the judges on the appellate court
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Speaker 1: are sugar babies, and I don't think that's going to happen.
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Speaker 3: Good night'