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Episode 209 | Bigger Link · Corie Sheppard Podcast

• 0:39
  Speaker 2: I Bye, so can't trust me combine.
• 0:42
  Speaker 2: You give me that dirty wine, well or not.
• 0:45
  Speaker 2: Well or not, well or not.
• 0:46
  Speaker 2: From gal, well or not, well or not, well or not.
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: From Girl.
• 0:52
  Speaker 2: You're hot like chula, you a whining ruler.
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: You take them to school like tutor.
• 0:56
  Speaker 2: You over like water.
• 1:00
  Speaker 2: You is mammy, good, good daughter.
• 1:02
  Speaker 2: You a steal like lady lover From this dirty wine.
• 2:09
  Speaker 2: Then they talking steam and I must come in, thank you.
• 2:12
  Speaker 4: Episode 209, welcome back one time.
• 2:16
  Speaker 4: Well, they know I have a bias.
• 2:18
  Speaker 4: Welcome to episode 209 of the Corey Shepard podcast.
• 2:21
  Speaker 4: Excuse my voice, they have me all over the place.
• 2:23
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 2:23
  Speaker 4: I'm struggling, but welcome back.
• 2:25
  Speaker 4: Welcome, but welcome back, welcome back, welcome back.
• 2:26
  Speaker 4: All you new listeners, welcome on board.
• 2:28
  Speaker 4: You hear the voice of generations.
• 2:30
  Speaker 4: All you know I have a bias towards generational songs.
• 2:33
  Speaker 4: When foundation and vintage and respected artists mix with the artists of today and the artists of yesteryear come with the artists of today and the artists of yesteryear come with the artists of this year, I have a special place in my heart for that and the voice here there is none other than great Drew Putty, ram Kunai, you know, drew Putty.
• 2:51
  Speaker 4: Whee, I can't wee, but we ain't talking so luxurious.
• 2:56
  Speaker 4: Marshall Montano, drew Putty and the great Lady Lava, the great and powerful Lady Lava.
• 3:06
  Speaker 4: I don't know who get I don't know who get drew patita say I like it, I like it, I like it, I love just release it, just just release, just before I started recording it.
• 3:17
  Speaker 4: Release and I hear it.
• 3:18
  Speaker 4: This song I really did have intentions of starting with because this is just what I was talking about last week.
• 3:24
  Speaker 4: You know, I I'm I'm starting for the political people.
• 3:28
  Speaker 4: We will talk about amy brong, we will talk about cameland inauguration and so on.
• 3:32
  Speaker 4: You know I mean plenty, plenty pole positioning going on people making sure they get the spot that they're looking for.
• 3:38
  Speaker 4: But we talk about the issue last week and we had to get back to it because, again, I I'd spent a long time talking about Trinidad Killer and the whole idea, the Eskimo song and the Eskimo rhythm and who tea from who and so on, and one of the points I was trying to make is that ghetto youth had to get through.
• 3:56
  Speaker 4: How ghetto youth get through, let me put it like that Not everything end well.
• 4:00
  Speaker 4: I could talk a little more plain than I was talking last week.
• 4:04
  Speaker 4: He take a chance.
• 4:05
  Speaker 4: Is he right for taking a chance?
• 4:07
  Speaker 4: No, we can establish that that is not the right thing to do.
• 4:10
  Speaker 4: My gripe with him is not so much that he take the chance and jump on the rhythm.
• 4:14
  Speaker 4: My gripe with him is more so that you're vexed with the world and you're crying and all that, but in true Trinidad Killer form, you find that our apology come true.
• 4:27
  Speaker 4: Right, should I start with the apology.
• 4:28
  Speaker 4: He's known for a man who one day he vex and cussing everybody.
• 4:34
  Speaker 4: The next day he's the happiest man on the line and he's doing good and he's driving, he bends and everybody else struggling and they don't know who's he.
• 4:39
  Speaker 4: And da, da, da, da.
• 4:40
  Speaker 4: And the next day he's crying.
• 4:41
  Speaker 4: The next day he's smoking hard.
• 4:42
  Speaker 4: Every time you see him on Instagram it's something else happening.
• 4:45
  Speaker 4: But we are taking a little slice of the apology and here we're here to see.
• 4:50
  Speaker 4: From the time I see this, I know something was changing.
• 4:55
  Speaker 5: It goes out to everyone who is viewing this video.
• 4:57
  Speaker 5: Before we release this project tonight, I want to take to my platform being the bigger man and sincerely apologize to the King of Soka, which is Marshall Montana, because this guy has been doing so much for the country, so much for the culture.
• 5:12
  Speaker 5: I apologize to Full Blown.
• 5:14
  Speaker 5: I apologize to Chinese Laundry 96.1, and my country, trinidad and Tobago, because I know it's not looking good.
• 5:23
  Speaker 5: And also I want to take to my platform and apologize sincerely, from the bottom of my heart and I hope you all forgive me.
• 5:35
  Speaker 4: You can look forward to Trinidad Killer for some excitement.
• 5:38
  Speaker 4: So that apology came earlier morning and I said, alright, something's changing.
• 5:43
  Speaker 4: It could be that somebody attacked him or no legal letter, or somebody call him to try to gangster him, because he's the kind of man where if you try to gangster him he more likely to get louder rather than get soft or tone down.
• 5:55
  Speaker 4: He's not toning down nothing.
• 5:56
  Speaker 4: So, bit by bit, I started to put his story together for myself.
• 6:00
  Speaker 4: I have my own theory about this, you know, because by now you might hear that nikki minaj is on the song.
• 6:06
  Speaker 4: Oh well, intense to be on the song with trinidad killer must applaud that.
• 6:10
  Speaker 4: We must applaud that nikki minaj came on the live with him and introduced the song, basically letting everybody know that listen, I sent trinidad killer a drop for the song, but I'm not on the song yet.
• 6:21
  Speaker 4: We're working on where I will get on the song.
• 6:24
  Speaker 4: I wanted to send him an intro.
• 6:25
  Speaker 4: You know I'm working on my verse and we'll come back to it.
• 6:28
  Speaker 4: She come on a short little trip on the live, halfway trini accent, halfway accent, from where she from?
• 6:33
  Speaker 4: So when I see that I say wait, because on the live nikki minaj say, hey, what going on, I didn't know what all the bacchanal and them thing and how the song get there and all this kind of thing.
• 6:45
  Speaker 4: When I reach out to you, she said I did see that when you reach out to me you're talented, because no doubt she would go back and hear songs like gunman in your hole and if she tapped into the culture, even things like terrence and them thing, right, and she realized that talented as all of us.
• 6:58
  Speaker 4: One thing everybody who, whatever side of this fence he was on, there's nobody who could say trinidad killer, not talented, right, if the brother, the brother have a talent, both in in well I guess writing and delivering songs, but how he's performing all them things.
• 7:13
  Speaker 4: So nikki minaj, and you know, she says she on his song, but she also tell him a few things about being humble and taking a different approach and them kind of things which seemed to me like.
• 7:23
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you the story I pieced together.
• 7:25
  Speaker 4: The story I pieced together is that this is the biggest controversy in trinidad where culture and music is concerned right, cannaval is bacchanal and bacchanal is cannaval right.
• 7:33
  Speaker 4: And when I see blaze and them on the morning show linking up with zip in jamaica and one of the questions you guys from zip asking is about this trinidad killer and the big lynx rhythm and everything that happened with it.
• 7:46
  Speaker 4: It make me realize that the the controversy and I applaud marshall montano, if if he involved in this at all.
• 7:54
  Speaker 4: Let me.
• 7:54
  Speaker 4: Let me just start with full blown, because there's a possibility that full blown writing the songs, doing the production, singing the songs, and they call who they want and they get who they want on the rhythm and that is all the.
• 8:05
  Speaker 4: The contributor on the rhythm just sing, want and they get who they want on the rhythm and that is all.
• 8:06
  Speaker 4: The contributor on the rhythm just sing the song and leave.
• 8:08
  Speaker 4: Because I don't like the assumption that Marshall Montano controlling full-blown like if these are little boys.
• 8:13
  Speaker 4: These fellas haven't been around a long time, they know the ropes, so I want to commend them for just riding the wave of this marketing greatness that Trinidad Killer brought.
• 8:24
  Speaker 4: Maybe they would have approved the song, maybe they would have never approved it, but either way, they just let it bake.
• 8:31
  Speaker 4: They just let it bake.
• 8:32
  Speaker 4: I guess when you've been around the block a couple of times you don't be as panicky as other people who see these things for the first time.
• 8:38
  Speaker 4: So they just let it bake and enjoy the fact that they already had the biggest rhythm in the carnival and they end up getting a bigger strength, more marketing than they could ever get for the rhythm and their songs.
• 8:49
  Speaker 4: I was telling stacy this morning that when the rhythm first come out, maybe it's kind of as a man you know.
• 8:54
  Speaker 4: It was refreshing to hear marshall say I could only drive one car at a time, but I still want to.
• 9:00
  Speaker 4: I think every man could relate and that song went.
• 9:04
  Speaker 4: And then the young brothers start to become the bigger, the bigger song.
• 9:06
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean the, the, the perpetual lie that woman go tell you, take it easy, I go do the work.
• 9:12
  Speaker 4: That's not happening in real life but we like the sentiment.
• 9:15
  Speaker 4: But now the full-blown version of the song, or the full-blown song on your rhythm.
• 9:18
  Speaker 4: There's the song that they're singing.
• 9:20
  Speaker 4: I know they write all right, but that song going on turned out to be the biggest song for the carnival, because you could just relate, no matter what is going on in your life, and think that state, that that alarm hook.
• 9:31
  Speaker 4: I ain't a good good spirit.
• 9:32
  Speaker 4: It's a good good spirit that have a vibe every listen every monday morning.
• 9:41
  Speaker 4: I like that song.
• 9:42
  Speaker 4: Look, I hold me down.
• 9:43
  Speaker 4: I like it, I like it, I like.
• 9:44
  Speaker 4: So I figured that that song will have the most legs going up to the carnival.
• 9:48
  Speaker 4: But them fellas enjoy the little marketing that trinidad killer get them.
• 9:51
  Speaker 4: Uh, silencing was being silent, unapproving the song, while not approving the song clearly might be the best thing they could ever do, because it went on and on and on.
• 10:00
  Speaker 4: And now that nikki minaj involved, are seeing some people who are Trinidad Killer supporters, vocal supporters, that join in this fight on culture and everybody fighting it down, everybody against you.
• 10:09
  Speaker 4: One of the things I've seen them saying now is boy, them fellas are full-blown stupid because look how they're going to get Nicki Minaj.
• 10:14
  Speaker 4: I don't know if that's the way the world has worked.
• 10:16
  Speaker 4: It's not for a lot of people, right, it's not for a lot of people in quantum physics and calculus and algorithm development thing that I never understand in school whatsoever.
• 10:31
  Speaker 4: But them have a lot of.
• 10:32
  Speaker 4: If this was that and I would have been rich, and if I didn't meet this one another, I have cattle talk about their interview recently.
• 10:37
  Speaker 4: You know cattle say, hey, what going on people let's talk about if bounty killer didn't bust me, I would have been rich.
• 10:41
  Speaker 4: He said boy dies will bust me, he said I don't know which other universe I know up in this universe.
• 10:46
  Speaker 4: So I tell my children that this man is the reason Oli having the life that Oli having.
• 10:50
  Speaker 4: It's really simple.
• 10:52
  Speaker 4: I can't do all that maths about.
• 10:55
  Speaker 4: If there was thing and if they had approved him, nicky would have come on.
• 10:58
  Speaker 4: But the theory about this whole situation is that Nicki Minaj, whatever it is, push up the song.
• 11:02
  Speaker 4: Possibly because the song gets so, the rhythm gets so popular and the controversy push it up.
• 11:08
  Speaker 4: She might have started seeing it now in her feed.
• 11:10
  Speaker 4: Get to like the song because even if I mean Nicki Minaj born in Bournemouth but it looked like from the general hospital she went straight to the airport and went up the road.
• 11:19
  Speaker 4: She don't have a whole lot of trinity, you know what I mean.
• 11:23
  Speaker 4: But if you're born here and she's one of us, but the reality is that when she see this song she might be able to relate To that idea of Out in the snow and you leave me alone and I don't want the feeling and I don't want to be there with you, anybody who live around, and I'm feeling lonely.
• 11:46
  Speaker 4: Whatever the thing is right.
• 11:50
  Speaker 4: If I could sing, I would sing it, but the the sentiment that he captured in his song is one that anybody who live abroad or anybody who was.
• 11:58
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you something I spent one carnival abroad and I didn't understand.
• 12:00
  Speaker 4: I used to laugh at people who was like carnival, you stay away for.
• 12:01
  Speaker 4: Kind of like, if carnival is this big, important thing, you could miss a carnival Cannavale abroad.
• 12:03
  Speaker 4: And I didn't understand.
• 12:03
  Speaker 4: I used to laugh at people who was like Cannavale, you staying away from Cannavale, like if Cannavale is this big, important thing, you could miss a Cannavale.
• 12:07
  Speaker 4: But boy, when I was in Jamaica and I had to go to work Cannavale Monday morning it wasn't about the Fed season, I was feeling a little way and thing.
• 12:16
  Speaker 4: But when I had to go, people on the road to Jamaica and say hey, all you know is that Carnival and Trinidad right now.
• 12:29
  Speaker 4: How are they looking so calm?
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: What's going on?
• 12:31
  Speaker 4: Because even if you're here and you miss Carnival, it's not as big a thing as if you're not here, because Carnival is a vibe and a spirit and an energy.
• 12:39
  Speaker 4: So whether you're playing mass or not, the whole country is being carnival mode.
• 12:43
  Speaker 4: It is one of the reasons I say we are one of the greatest carnivals in the world Because it's immersive.
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: Everybody is a part of our carnival.
• 12:49
  Speaker 4: You cannot avoid it, even if it's the traffic and the routes you have to take and the savannah being, too, where we are all part of our carnival celebration.
• 12:56
  Speaker 4: So that sentiment that out in the cold and out in the snow, I write your name in the snow, writing him in the snow, just the word, just the line I write your name in the snow means so much to somebody who have a parent or a loved one who are abroad.
• 13:10
  Speaker 4: So Nicki Minaj no doubt hear the song like the vibe, get to it because they can't reach out to him and them kind of thing.
• 13:17
  Speaker 4: And then she might have found out wait, no, it's all this back and all behind this song.
• 13:22
  Speaker 4: I can't be involved in this.
• 13:23
  Speaker 4: I can't be involved in this because she and marshall could be good, good enough where she want the business relationship.
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: She and tony charlotte not be good enough where she want the business relationship.
• 13:34
  Speaker 4: She probably don't want to step on no toes with full-blown and them if she, if they don't know one another too, and she know their writing ability and their production ability.
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: She, she don't want.
• 13:43
  Speaker 4: Why would I get involved in this?
• 13:44
  Speaker 4: And, of course, nikki minaj now we're talking about, not somebody who is no instagram star, no tiktok influencer.
• 13:51
  Speaker 4: This woman is a well-managed and she's a machine that have a whole team behind her.
• 13:56
  Speaker 4: So even if she wanted to do it, the team would have said listen, let me, let me, let me find out a little more about this.
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: It seems as though this guy you're talking to here is a controversial guy.
• 14:03
  Speaker 4: Let me find out more.
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: And she make calls and hear his story about it.
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: She, whatever talk, she had that humbling.
• 14:09
  Speaker 4: I hope it is lasting.
• 14:13
  Speaker 4: I hope it lasts, because I expect to see trinidad killer, in the true vein of trinidad killer, involved in something like this in future, where the whole world fighting him down.
• 14:22
  Speaker 4: But I hope that this breakthrough because sometimes it's easy to to talk when you're trying something and for me I just talking right but when you're trying something and you know your thing good because you understand where it's quality and it's not sticking and you're feeling like doors getting slammed in your face and all them, it could become frustrating.
• 14:40
  Speaker 4: I want you for people who listen to this it all, many of us went through it.
• 14:44
  Speaker 4: When you get a degree.
• 14:45
  Speaker 4: You get a degree, you get a qualification to get degree, acc, cfa.
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: It's not an easy thing to know that you're.
• 14:51
  Speaker 4: You did, you did what people say was right, right.
• 14:54
  Speaker 4: You did what people say like follow the route.
• 14:56
  Speaker 4: You think the school pap study, you do the out and you can't even get a job interview.
• 15:02
  Speaker 4: When you go out and interview you can't even get a call back the jobs that you need to earn the money that you think you need to earn after a degree or even to pay back your student loans and things.
• 15:12
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it could feel unfair, it could feel like the whole world on top of you and I could relate to what Trinidad and Kilimanjaro must feel like.
• 15:21
  Speaker 4: But I just hope that with this breakthrough, hope the nikki minaj well, I trust that the nikki minaj verse gonna be good and I hope that he he see this as his success, as one of his successes, and I happy for him.
• 15:32
  Speaker 4: I happy this happened.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: It couldn't happen for somebody you know, I mean with somebody better, with nikki minaj, who has also had a fair share of controversy over she's.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: She's a controversial character, you know.
• 15:44
  Speaker 4: I mean when she and thing online and the barbs.
• 15:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, matter of fact, she and trend, that girl might have a lot in common in terms of how she's go off on social media, and she did say that she's been on a hiatus and she come out to the hiatus for this because, if you remember, she just had a baby last year, a couple years ago, right, and even when you hear her talk, I'm hoping that she and all, all of us, she have baby.
• 16:03
  Speaker 4: You know, sometimes when you have baby and them kind of think, mother them, take a change in life, you know what I mean.
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: They want to fight and quarrel with nobody again.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: So let me just give a taste of the Shrinder Killer salute again to Figueroa Prince Pronto, who is the producer, who she also gave a lot of props on his song because he rebuilt the rhythm and do it the right way.
• 16:21
  Speaker 4: Now they have all the rights to the song and now they have Nicki Minaj on her song that he have all the rights to.
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: So I hope he make all the money in the world.
• 16:27
  Speaker 4: I hope this song become an international smash you know what I mean Number one on the Billboard charts.
• 16:32
  Speaker 4: It will do all well for all of us, but I hope for that for Trinidad Killer, so that he ain't feeling like nobody fighting him down.
• 16:39
  Speaker 4: So let's hear the the new, the new version of the Eskimo.
• 16:55
  Speaker 3: Hi, hi, I'm going to be going away for a little while.
• 17:01
  Speaker 3: Right, we have nothing.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: I'm getting the opportunity to work in a music band and I'll send you back barrels and you'll get all the toys and the candies and everything that you want.
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: This will help us so much.
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: I love you so much.
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: I have to go, okay.
• 17:22
  Speaker 4: Any Caribbean person could relate to this scene, right.
• 17:34
  Speaker 2: Hey, yo Trinidad.
• 17:37
  Speaker 3: Kaloa Gwendolyn.
• 17:38
  Speaker 3: Any Caribbean person could relate to this scene right, let's get it my bad.
• 17:43
  Speaker 6: When you cock up to Dizus, dizus, dizus, dizus, dizus.
• 17:48
  Speaker 6: When you cock up to Dizus, dizus, dizus, dizus, dizus, alive, good morning, we nice.
• 17:56
  Speaker 6: You know this, the vibe, the feeling, alive.
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: You know I, out in the gold, miss this one when it's snow and I can't fight the feeling and I wish I could be there for you.
• 18:10
  Speaker 6: When you're out on the road, I write your name in the snow.
• 18:14
  Speaker 6: Now I'm missing the feeling and I wish I could be there with you.
• 18:19
  Speaker 6: Now I'm feeling low Cause I miss all these S on the party, Cause all I have is the memory.
• 18:29
  Speaker 6: Now I'm feeling lonely.
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: Only vibes, only fun.
• 18:35
  Speaker 6: In the party.
• 18:36
  Speaker 6: Pick up you and your friend, everybody Bingo.
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: They partied on Ram Music creator.
• 18:42
  Speaker 6: Make the people dance, train the dad and the babe away from me.
• 18:46
  Speaker 6: Feel the vibes in the place.
• 18:47
  Speaker 6: Now I jump, thank you.
• 18:48
  Speaker 6: I can't fight the feeling and I wish I could be there for you.
• 19:06
  Speaker 6: When you turn me round, I write your name in the snow.
• 19:09
  Speaker 6: Now I'm missing the feeling and I wish I could be there with you.
• 19:14
  Speaker 6: Now I'm feeling lonely Cause I miss all these us and the party, cause all I got is the memory.
• 19:24
  Speaker 6: I'm feeling lonely.
• 19:26
  Speaker 6: Only vibes, only fun in the party.
• 19:31
  Speaker 6: Pick up, you and your friend, everybody.
• 19:34
  Speaker 6: Pick up the people who just fight for what?
• 19:36
  Speaker 6: Dumb day, dumb day.
• 19:40
  Speaker 6: They keep the music playing.
• 19:41
  Speaker 6: They keep the music rotating.
• 19:43
  Speaker 6: Pick up, keep the music running.
• 19:44
  Speaker 6: They got me people who just fight for work and you know they got them love for you.
• 19:49
  Speaker 6: So keep the music playing.
• 19:50
  Speaker 6: You know, I hope them be cold and I'm feeling alone and I can't fight the feeling and I wish I could be there for you.
• 20:01
  Speaker 4: I hope them be snow and I want you to know I can't hide the feeling and I wish I could be there for you, cause I feel alone.
• 20:11
  Speaker 4: Listen the song bad, the song bad.
• 20:18
  Speaker 4: Congratulations same congrats to Trinidad Killer.
• 20:20
  Speaker 4: I want to talk a little bit more about this song because I saw a response over the last week where and let me tell you something, right, right, wrong or indifferent, because again, a lot of the defenders of the culture and your people carry opinions about the culture like myself just it's out of love.
• 20:36
  Speaker 4: It's out of love, you know.
• 20:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, people have a lot of opinions about it and, uh, we have a tendency to take a very what, what's the word?
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: Condemnatory, what's the right word?
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: We take a tone of condemnation a lot of times.
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Right, that only know I have a difficulty with for a long time now.
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: But I saw again somebody who I like a lot and I watch all his interviews.
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: I want to play a little snippet from KG Music here, right, because he encapsulates a level of frustration here that I just want to encourage people to listen to where they agreed, watching that killer doing the first place, because people going to have an issue with this.
• 21:12
  Speaker 4: Right, the song now come out.
• 21:13
  Speaker 4: So the opinion didn't start to fly yet.
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: But people gonna have an issue with it because people sometimes feel very uncomfortable when people are rewarded for doing the wrong thing.
• 21:25
  Speaker 4: Although we live in a world where people rewarded for doing the wrong thing all the time.
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: If, if people wasn't rewarded for me doing the wrong thing all the time, me and you would not be here in Trinidad and Tobago.
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: How we reach here?
• 21:35
  Speaker 4: It's the wrong thing man do and then change the law to suit yourself.
• 21:38
  Speaker 4: All inauguration time you hear man saying and doing the wrong thing.
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: I see man make signal that if somebody like me or you or somebody like kanye west had make them signal in our inauguration, the adl which is but them men come out and defend that.
• 21:53
  Speaker 4: They say you know now he was just saying my heart pours out to you.
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: So the idea that doing the wrong thing and being rewarded for the wrong thing is that that's not foreign, that is just the way of the world.
• 22:06
  Speaker 4: So people are going to have a lot of opinion.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: There's a little bit of a long clip, but I want to encourage you to listen to what KG had to say about this.
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: Kg has been doing interviews for a long time Started off to me.
• 22:16
  Speaker 4: When I first saw him I was with several Trini Bad artists and he said he works with, he has songs with Suwanee and them kind of thing.
• 22:21
  Speaker 4: He tried the music and he turned out to be more focused now on doing podcast types interviews and you know what I mean Telling the stories of the people in the space and he had an impassioned rant as much as you can call it a rant for him.
• 22:36
  Speaker 4: He's a cool kind of guy, but an impassioned rant about this idea of Trinidad Killer and the people who are speaking up against it.
• 22:43
  Speaker 4: Right, so I'll up against it right.
• 22:46
  Speaker 7: So I just want you to take in a little piece of this.
• 22:47
  Speaker 7: For me Are big links written?
• 22:49
  Speaker 7: First of all, hear the name Big links, big link, where that come from.
• 22:57
  Speaker 7: Yeah, for me like where that come from.
• 22:59
  Speaker 7: Right, big link that come from the Trinibad famous link, as they just call it, the Zesa link.
• 23:12
  Speaker 7: Right, the tabla roll in your rhythm, the sample of the tabla roll in your rhythm comes from where Zes music rhythm come from.
• 23:22
  Speaker 7: We zest music.
• 23:23
  Speaker 7: You take young brother and you put him on the rhythm to signify even more that this was inspired by that movement, that them youths and them create all they never create.
• 23:38
  Speaker 7: That we create that brother.
• 23:40
  Speaker 7: We invest into that.
• 23:41
  Speaker 7: We buy camera equipment, we do all them thing to make sure that this thing reaches a certain level.
• 23:48
  Speaker 7: Because all of you wasn't doing nothing for me.
• 23:50
  Speaker 7: All of you lock up all of your radio stations, all of you studio prices high, all of you cameramen charging me 40,000.
• 23:56
  Speaker 7: We can't perform in all of your parties because there's nobody.
• 23:59
  Speaker 7: All of you block the gates for youths for years.
• 24:02
  Speaker 7: That is the reality.
• 24:03
  Speaker 7: Who feels it knows right.
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: Isn't everybody gonna know?
• 24:07
  Speaker 7: Because everybody was in the space where they were trying to get through doing the right thing and seeing our men blatantly saying no so that's kg.
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: Salute to kg, right.
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: That's his opinion.
• 24:19
  Speaker 4: Check it out on his instagram, kg music, right.
• 24:21
  Speaker 4: Check it out what's happening here light flickering and so on, going on.
• 24:25
  Speaker 4: But let me say this before I even get into it you see, when, when, when people talking from pain listen to them.
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: It is useless when somebody feeling hurt to dispute what they say.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: All you had to do is feel them.
• 24:36
  Speaker 4: You just had to.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: You just had to give them the space to see what they have to see.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: It's not no right or no wrong in what KG said there, and it's plenty to dissect him, because the jumping on your rhythm starts to be not Trinidad Killer versus full-blown, which is where it should stay.
• 24:55
  Speaker 4: I want to stay naive and maintain that these men write their songs, pick who they want it on the rhythm, produce the rhythm and put out a song on the rhythm that they can't link to it.
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: Right To me, the best song on the rhythm, produce the rhythm and put out a song on the rhythm that they can link to it.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Right To me, the best song on the rhythm is theirs and they have the right to do with their property, whatever they do.
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: I always remember Django.
• 25:12
  Speaker 4: You know Django say I will do with my property.
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Whatever I choose to do with my property, that's their man own.
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: If they feel like to shelf it and dope later at all, they could do that.
• 25:20
  Speaker 4: It's their rhythm, it's their project, it's their baby right, their creation, their property.
• 25:25
  Speaker 4: But it's somewhere along the line.
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: It was not about them versus full-blown production, corey and Kevon, but it started to become about the downtrodden versus the oppressor.
• 25:38
  Speaker 4: The downtrodden versus the oppressor take over the whole conversation about who's fighting who, normal carnival conversation.
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: The more things change, the more they remain the same right.
• 25:51
  Speaker 4: And when I hear KG talking about it, I wonder sometimes if when we go off on these rants and we're in pain so I'm not responding directly to KG, I'm just trying to pick apart what he's saying a little bit.
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: But when you say we was getting fight against and Oliya wasn't laying with, who's the Oliya, is the Oliya full-blown?
• 26:09
  Speaker 4: Because to me them is youths too.
• 26:11
  Speaker 4: You understand, young brothers are youth too.
• 26:13
  Speaker 4: Them fellas and them is young trying to come up in Trinidad and Tobago and the notion that somebody is up above holding you down seem to be just a part of the culture.
• 26:24
  Speaker 4: It don't matter if they're in soccer, ask somebody who's working in banking or somebody who's working in engineering, ask lawyers, ask doctors Everybody say this thing.
• 26:34
  Speaker 4: Where the people at the top, like we, have a common thing.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: We say people don't want to retire, people don't want to retire at all, say people don't want to retire, people don't want to retire at all, they don't want to retire, they just want to stay there.
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: And then young people didn't get no opportunity.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: Last year, a man who's a 175 year old gypsy winning the um extempore competition as the president at ncc, leaving very little space for any youths to come up.
• 26:55
  Speaker 4: It's a normal thing.
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: You hear this conversation all the time, but it's just.
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: It's just to be mindful that full-blown, from my understanding and everything I see about it, them fellas ain't now pick up no piano and start a thing, and now pick up a mic and try.
• 27:10
  Speaker 4: These fellas been trying for years and years and years and years and years.
• 27:14
  Speaker 4: Listen, google full-blown entertainment and they have a list going around with the songs that they produce.
• 27:21
  Speaker 4: If I would be prepared for this podcast from time to time I could have tell you what the list was.
• 27:25
  Speaker 4: Right, I will find it as we're talking, but them men been around for a long time and in being around for a long time they start to find some successes, just in this way that kg has been doing interviews for a long time and starting to find more and more success as he go along.
• 27:41
  Speaker 4: I wish him continued success, in the same way that Trinidad Killer 5 has been doing this for a long, long, long time.
• 27:48
  Speaker 4: For instance, people might not remember, but Trinidad Killer was on the same soca stars as Umi Makano back in the day.
• 27:54
  Speaker 4: Right, look at Fine Delicacy.
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: Here's a man.
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: Songwriting and discography by full-blown voice alien, marshall montano.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Vibes.
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: Care done marshall montano, mr fit.
• 28:09
  Speaker 4: Marshall montano, bottle of rum.
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: I like bottle of rum and a bottle of rum.
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: No need to buy no party.
• 28:17
  Speaker 4: Benja beep, right, the whole rhythm, the people calling benjamin.
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: That was on the same rhythm as butler of marshall montano in charge.
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: Marshall montano fog.
• 28:25
  Speaker 4: Epic by marshall montano kiss, a canal and a million girl.
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: Kiss falling kiss.
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: Feature lyrical, unlimited vibes.
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: Cohen dubois.
• 28:33
  Speaker 4: That bumper is too real.
• 28:35
  Speaker 4: It's dangerous.
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: I want to mind, but it's looking dangerous.
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: I want to mind, but it's looking dangerous and you want to mind.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: It's looking dangerous and I want to mind on you.
• 28:41
  Speaker 4: Voice cheers to life.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: Cohen Duvavitian, patricia Roberts.
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: Unforgettable Marshall Montano.
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Junction On the junction, the junction on the junction.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: I want to write a wiggle.
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: I wanna jam your night on the wiggle.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: I need a man to write a little song for my boy, marshall and Patrice, like yourself, kes, featuring Terry Lyons, throwback 10.
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: Kes, no sweetness, young Brother, greatest man over Marshall, the truth, marshall, take it slow.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Marshall need it.
• 29:04
  Speaker 4: Marshall jamming Kes, body, talk Marshall, she come in, she come in.
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: She come in and I hold on tight and I hold on tight tonight and she come in.
• 29:16
  Speaker 4: Marshall Montano.
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: 10 out of 10.
• 29:18
  Speaker 4: Kiss, dirty Flex.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Kiss, nessa Preppy.
• 29:21
  Speaker 4: Oh, you only write for Nessa Preppy too.
• 29:23
  Speaker 4: Tingo, I'm going to show you everything.
• 29:27
  Speaker 4: And kiss, I'm taking a mental day.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I'm taking a mental day.
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: I wish I could get to talk to full-blown entertainment.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: Wait, I used to have more full-blown and my life just went full-blown.
• 29:39
  Speaker 4: The ball blew.
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: Wait, I used to move full-blown and my light just went full-blown.
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: The bulb blew.
• 29:44
  Speaker 4: I had to take a dark episode.
• 29:45
  Speaker 4: Is that a full-blown energy coming out on me?
• 29:48
  Speaker 4: Where's Conrad from Affordable Imports when you need him?
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: All right, it's going to be half-dark.
• 29:53
  Speaker 4: I'll go buy a little bulb any time, but you see where I'm coming from.
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: Men and women have a list here.
• 29:57
  Speaker 4: We always have 20 something songs I call.
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: I wish I could get them to ask them when they are 20, 20 something song, how much song they write in all.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: I could tell you this, right.
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: The other thing named my 80 20 principle we talk about all the time.
• 30:13
  Speaker 4: It's called parito principle and I named after italian, I believe there is called parrito, and he basically said that all in all, the work we do is like 80 percent of the results has come from 20 percent of the effort, or he said you could apply it in many, many situations.
• 30:28
  Speaker 4: So what you might find is that if somebody's a songwriter, it's really 20 percent of the songs that really stick and hit in a big way, and 80 percent of them was, um, the father or they just didn't catch on for whatever reason.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: Right, and the truth about it is this anybody you see succeed at anything, face real obstacles.
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: They work real hard.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: They have a hell of a story to tell.
• 30:53
  Speaker 4: Also, put in their position, most of us would have given up.
• 30:58
  Speaker 4: I talk about anybody who have a success, right?
• 31:00
  Speaker 4: Anybody who you're seeing successful trinidad killer in this equation, kg full-blown marshall chowlin on anybody who have some level of success went through things that me and you might not be able to go through.
• 31:12
  Speaker 4: Let me put it that, like this average person not going through what them went through to be able to get where they get, if you attempt to sing a song, people laugh at you.
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: People don't like the song.
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: You fall off a stage, whatever it is most people and that's why we revere the greats, that's why we look up to the people who get success, because it's hard, it's tough.
• 31:31
  Speaker 4: So just in the same way that we look at people and we say you shouldn't do this, you shouldn't do that, respect the culture, do this, do that, you could look back at it as well and say, hey, when you're feeling fought down, understand that the person who you're seeing as on top didn't born on top Full-blown and them in socks and grub and carpet and just guest song and just listen to their story too.
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: I think the point I'm making and a lot of times there's what we end up talking about here we need a certain amount of coming together.
• 32:06
  Speaker 4: We need a certain amount of coming together and talking over issues, because you have to hear KG when he's talking with the passion he's talking about.
• 32:12
  Speaker 4: Well, hopefully we hear from full-blown at some point in time.
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: But hearing their story might change KG's mind about what they take to get where they get and how hard when you get the success that you want, how hard you might be willing to defend your success.
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: And then somebody could be talking about you, kg, somebody could be talking about you, trinidad Killer, as holding their back and keeping them down and locking up the radio station and overpricing your studio and those things You're going to get there, because I have no doubt that they will be enormously successful and youths will be talking about you.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: The other thing I find is this while I always I kind of always on this side of young people, because the truth is that, um, at my mid-40s I appreciate that when, but when I reach double this age, when I reach 90, I go, I go out in knowledge, but I might not the energy you know.
• 33:00
  Speaker 4: I mean in your 40s you're in a place where you have a little bit of energy and you have a little bit of knowledge and the truth is that when I look back at some of the things I was real hard and fast on when I was 22 half my age now is amazing, like sometimes I wish I could go back and change some of that.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: You know I mean, it's like boy, you're something like a real fool.
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: You know, I mean, now they start, the city will understand and that's the reality.
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: You just get time and you get experience and you inevitably start seeing things and changing your perspective on things.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: So I understand where kg come from, but I want to challenge kg to see that differently, although I feel he writes about what he's saying.
• 33:33
  Speaker 4: Um put it this way you see, that idea of people fighting it on locking up their studios how about you think of it as that gave you the impetus to create a movement that the whole world watching now and the whole world want to be a part of it.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: The men who, men who've been successful and doing well, you know I mean like salute to full-blown who doing well hear that tabloid and hear things that you create out of oppression.
• 34:02
  Speaker 4: You're also out of being fat for dong.
• 34:05
  Speaker 4: You know I mean they're back here in a corner and you're so innovative as a movement that trinity bad movement or that zest movement so innovative that you create your own stars.
• 34:16
  Speaker 4: People don't want to interview you on the radio station.
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: You create your own interviewers.
• 34:19
  Speaker 4: People don't want to interview you on the radio station, you create your own interviewers.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: People don't want to book you for the FETs.
• 34:22
  Speaker 4: You create your own parties.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: People don't want to pay you on the TV thing.
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: All you create is your own YouTube channels, men charging you a whole set of money to do video and all them things as you say in your thing, men, you went and buy equipment and now you have your own superstars who are making videos that have way more views than most of the songs I call out on that list are full-blown right.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: No disrespect to them, but the songs that only create and the movement that only create have way more views than a lot of these things.
• 34:52
  Speaker 4: The controversy behind this full-blown rhythm, not sorry, the big, big links with them and you know trend, that killer is the name.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: He wrote them.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: The Bigger Links wrote them.
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: He had to love it.
• 35:03
  Speaker 4: He had to love it.
• 35:04
  Speaker 4: Listen in everything.
• 35:06
  Speaker 4: It must have back and on.
• 35:07
  Speaker 4: It must have fight.
• 35:08
  Speaker 4: But the very people, the people who successful Marshall Montana himself, who is now the Calypso king of the world, at least for the next month or two.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: The opening of his Calypso is soca.
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: Soca is calypso mice.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: The opening of that song have the same more stressing, less zessing, more stressing, less zessing.
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: And I, I think he um, there's another sample he used of a zest tune too, in skinner park.
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: When he do this, oh, he come on his stage in Skinner Park and maybe for the Calypso Monarch final too, singing.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: He take them things.
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: Yes, you're right, because it can't be a good feeling if a man who or an industrial, let me say a oppressor, who I went to with ideas and I went to for help and I went to for support and mentorship closed the door on you and then you see them later on using the things you create and then closing the door on you again.
• 36:07
  Speaker 4: But I want to say that you might be able to see that a little differently, because if you reach the point where you influencing them, fellas heavy, heavy in the way they're doing things and they're watching you and trying to see where your success come from and how you read so far and how Lady Lava come up in that.
• 36:25
  Speaker 4: The first song I play in this episode is Druperty, marshall and Lady Lava.
• 36:29
  Speaker 4: They clearly I don't want to say Marshall is the oppressive, but the people who are being seen as the oppressive one clearly look into that Trini Bad and that Zest movement for ideas, for inspiration.
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: They want to be apartheid.
• 36:45
  Speaker 4: They want to tap into the Utah's cage.
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: It's so eloquently said.
• 36:48
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: There's no doubt about it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 4: The elements of it you're seeing everywhere, the big links, as you say, the big links or the type of chain that they wear long, long long, that coming in the tabla roll, or the elements of it and the way and the artist, because I'm glad for young brother.
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: I always used to say I hope he just gets songs and not just chant and that kind of thing.
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: And he there and Lady Lava and these rhythms.
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: I talked about this before, right, but I always remember Cardi B asking Lady Lava, what's up you nervous?
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: And lover, what's up you're nervous?
• 37:24
  Speaker 4: And she said, nah, and that level of confidence.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: I admire that.
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: And for her to go wherever she do me, you know who write song and me.
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: I don't know the background, anything but when, whatever it is happen where marshall decided he working with druperty again and he pulling a youth like that and she, she fit her way into that rhythm with one man who been in the music for 40 years and the next one was in the music for 50 years and she fit right into that song and you know the whole world.
• 37:46
  Speaker 4: Go know who is Drupati again.
• 37:48
  Speaker 4: Or be reminded of who Drupati is because of Lady Lava.
• 37:51
  Speaker 4: The whole world.
• 37:53
  Speaker 4: Go be reminded.
• 37:54
  Speaker 4: They might go and google now who is Sunny man?
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: Because in Lady Lava verse actually I can't remember if I played the verse or not in lady lava verse she was able to reference sunny man in her thing.
• 38:03
  Speaker 4: So the, the, the, the unity or the success that you're looking for, you have it.
• 38:09
  Speaker 4: Sometimes it's take a long time for people to realize they're successful.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: You know, I always remember meeting mighty shadow one time and playing a little music for him and trying to not embarrass myself.
• 38:20
  Speaker 4: And in my mind, if you was to ask me who's the greatest calypso, you know, the greatest soccer artist of all time in my mind is is winston shadow bailey and nobody better than him.
• 38:32
  Speaker 4: And I thought more in this era this was the 2015-16 them kind of time and he was talking about the fighting and dong.
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: So sometimes when we get a success and maybe it's because our definition of success is a little narrower it easy for us as people in this capitalistic world, it easy for us to see success as a very big house and a very big car and power and everybody know your name and a whole lot of money in the bank and generational wealth.
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: It's easy to see success like that, but I always remember again when I was in my journey to start this podcast.
• 39:06
  Speaker 4: One of the statements that make me still here, 220 episodes uh later, is omari ashby, who say and he wasn't talking to me, I just see him post on facebook at the time why do we always define success as commercial success?
• 39:21
  Speaker 4: And that make me that.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: That that stopped me in my tracks, because I would be easily a five episode podcaster, because the amount of money I put out and this little equipment, amount of time I spent trying to figure out how to make it work.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: My first instinct as somebody who in business is hey, if this thing is making no money, let me sell this equipment while I could.
• 39:40
  Speaker 4: But that statement reached me because that is not.
• 39:43
  Speaker 4: I want the money, right, let me put out there, let me do.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: I don't close the door on that, but I have a greater cause, I have a greater purpose and I'll continue to live that purpose for as long as I live and when the money come, it come right when the money reach, it reach and and I trust that all the other, all the other elements of success, they on roots, they come in.
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: I I ain't worried at all as I move forward.
• 40:11
  Speaker 4: I'm moving forward, right, I want to.
• 40:13
  Speaker 4: I want to play another song here for you by another, slightly smaller generational gap, because I would say druperty, druperty and marshall and lady lava, what's that?
• 40:24
  Speaker 4: Three generations you're looking at coming together.
• 40:27
  Speaker 4: Well, this one, the two people in this song, a little closer in generations, but, but I like it and I always talk about benji being in carnival, right, but they have a fella they call salt, right?
• 40:36
  Speaker 4: Salty is our next one, who so similar to lady lava for me, and it's almost like anything, salty, say it, good me, you know if it's the way he say it salute.
• 40:47
  Speaker 4: He say akim, 5.2 is who's right, all his song and thing.
• 40:49
  Speaker 4: But salty, just have a vibe and energy and everything you do good.
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: And he went and find an artist by the name of militant.
• 40:57
  Speaker 4: I wonder if all of you remember militant.
• 40:58
  Speaker 4: But here is one is a tiger, tiger baby.
• 41:02
  Speaker 4: Oh Lord, miss, lady, that is a tiger tiger baby.
• 41:23
  Speaker 8: That is not a young girl, that is a tiger baby, your tiger.
• 41:27
  Speaker 8: Not easy to control, but I still watch her baby.
• 41:30
  Speaker 8: Oh no, miss Lady, that is not a pussycat.
• 41:34
  Speaker 8: You better call animal control.
• 41:36
  Speaker 8: You're like me, the nuclear.
• 41:37
  Speaker 8: I come to give you the charm, cause I know you have a gun.
• 41:41
  Speaker 8: Just because I love the jungle, she bring her exotic girls, but no, this lady that could not have known.
• 41:49
  Speaker 1: You get the call and you will control.
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: Yes, I'm in the Nokia now.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: If it attack me, yes, I will attack it, for sure.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: If it might be, then I will be dead.
• 42:00
  Speaker 1: Tell me your kitty name so I could test it.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: If I can't really have nine life, then sure, I'll take it, but no, this baby that is a tiger, tiger baby.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: But no, this baby that is a tiger.
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: I beat it.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: Well, show me now and watch my beat it.
• 42:18
  Speaker 3: I beat it.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: Well, show me now and watch my beat it.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: And watch my beat it with Ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah, ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah ay, wah.
• 42:54
  Speaker 1: Listen, just in case you care to remember militant right, I want to give you a militant You're going to know right, case you care to remember militant right, I want to get a militant.
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: You know right, Bambi, dambi, I look like a distinguished shawty.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: Then she tells me, boy, I feel it's a party.
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: She shows me emotions that get my attention, then puts me in a cozy corner and whispers something to me Move me and move me in this soccer party.
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: She says, move me and move me, welcome me, buddy.
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: Move me till I feel the pressure.
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: Move me till I'm knocked all over.
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: Move me till I squeeze you tight so we can get into the politics now.
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: Written and found in the Guardian by Darius Polo.
• 44:18
  Speaker 4: Headline says Kamala says previous US administration a disaster.
• 44:23
  Speaker 4: Blames the woke agenda for defeat Too far left.
• 44:28
  Speaker 4: I wonder if Kamala feel like Rowley was part of the Biden administration.
• 44:31
  Speaker 4: Or she come out and attack Biden just so, she said hours after United States President Donald Trump His inauguration at the Capitol in Washington yesterday, opposition leader Kamala Pusat Bisesa wasted wasted no time in her condemnation of the previous Democratic administration under Joe Biden, calling it a disaster for the American people and the world.
• 44:49
  Speaker 4: Take that.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Deviating from her otherwise congratulatory message to incoming President Trump, posadbisesa made her feelings on the outgoing Biden's tenure known, quoted as saying then Trump's ad possessor made her feelings on the outgoing Biden's tenure known, quoted as saying the previous administration in the United States has been a disaster for the American people and the world.
• 45:09
  Speaker 4: They focus on pushing a woke, extreme left-wing agenda that offended basic common sense and morality, overturned the norms of civilized public life, disoriented and mutilated children, censored and canceled dissenting views, disparaged religious and conservative values, fueled wars around the world, weaponized the judicial system against the political opponents and increased nepotism, corruption, crime, poverty, homelessness and wealth inequality.
• 45:34
  Speaker 4: I have a strange feeling that whoever writing Kamala's speech or whoever dealing with Kamala to write I think she was trying to direct this to Rowley and the Stuart Young issue I don't know if she knows Biden Only tell the woman it's Biden she's talking about Only went very, very far.
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: In an immediate response to Mrs Bissessa's comment, minister and the Office of the Prime Minister with Responsibility for Communicationon de noriega uh took to facebook where he said as a responsible citizen of trinidad and tobago, I am yet again unsurprised by the opposition leader's latest, this desperate attempt to scrounge a modicum of relevance in the public domain.
• 46:15
  Speaker 4: Lord, have mercy, I don't want to be on your wrong side, this man.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: Words hitting hard.
• 46:20
  Speaker 4: You see, our latest media release only serves to underscore the critical importance of maintaining dignity, decorum and responsibility in the pronouncements made by public and elected officials, including the office of the opposition leader.
• 46:34
  Speaker 4: The release also raises serious concerns about the tone and content of such declarations, particularly when they involve international leaders and their predecessors.
• 46:43
  Speaker 4: So can I jump out of self?
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: I was shocked.
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: The norwegian said he wasn't shocked, but I, I, I.
• 46:52
  Speaker 4: I was a little surprised.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: I was a little surprised.
• 46:54
  Speaker 4: I have seen in many instances before where you could look at the opposition, the Kamala Passant-Bissesson-led opposition, and you could hear some of these sentiments of her and her closest followers and largest proponents and defenders.
• 47:09
  Speaker 4: You could hear a little Trump vibes.
• 47:11
  Speaker 4: Let me put it like that.
• 47:12
  Speaker 4: They kind of like Trump.
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: They like the Trump energy and they don't too like the Biden energy.
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: That's the best way I could put it right.
• 47:18
  Speaker 4: And when you look at the Netflix documentary that spoke to Cambridge Analytica and how to use social media sentiments to try to design campaigns to basically put people in power, all marketing thing, right, at least the engagement of Cambridge Analytica by UNC here and the engagement of Cambridge Analytica by the Trump administration when they've won the first time is at least one thing they have in common.
• 47:45
  Speaker 4: But they seem to be in alignment with them right, publicly.
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: I'm not talking about nothing.
• 47:49
  Speaker 4: They're hiding and talking.
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: They're openly in support of Donald Trump.
• 47:53
  Speaker 4: I neither here nor there on that right, you make what you will of that, but they seem to be the biggest UNC and I don't want to say UNC supporters blanketly, because even some people in her party came out against this, but I was a little shocked.
• 48:06
  Speaker 4: I always feel like if again, leaders, leaders, elected officials, as DeNorga said, they should be more measured in the way they say things.
• 48:17
  Speaker 4: I know Biden going out and Biden had two terms or one, but Biden ain't coming back right, clearly because his term of life is heading to a close.
• 48:26
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 48:27
  Speaker 4: It's all right he ain't coming back, but still I would think that you just like congratulate the new man.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 48:34
  Speaker 4: Say hey, thanks, you know what I mean.
• 48:36
  Speaker 4: Glad to see you make it.
• 48:37
  Speaker 4: Congratulations on your victory.
• 48:38
  Speaker 4: I'm sure, if I look hard enough, roly or might have a statement already saying congrats.
• 48:44
  Speaker 4: You can't play them games.
• 48:45
  Speaker 4: When you're elected official and you're responsible for a country, you don't want to affect international relations, and even whether you support the party in power, the person in power or not.
• 48:54
  Speaker 4: You had to negotiate with this person at some point in time.
• 48:56
  Speaker 4: We in several trade arrangements with the us both uh byly byly bilateral and multilateral agreements with the with the us and our biggest trading.
• 49:07
  Speaker 4: But we need them much more than they need us.
• 49:09
  Speaker 4: So it would be in our best interest to say very gentle words about people who are in charge in these states.
• 49:14
  Speaker 4: I wish you did about trump, right, but uh, I just find, like the Biden thing is like he lost him.
• 49:20
  Speaker 4: Like why bring him up in a congratulatory message in the same time?
• 49:27
  Speaker 4: Because while the Noragas say you know, for public relevance, that's not true.
• 49:31
  Speaker 4: What the Noragas say.
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: I mean she publicly relevant.
• 49:35
  Speaker 4: The woman is the leader of the opposition, like her statements still carry weight and the opposition under her stewardship seem to be like this is not the first time.
• 49:44
  Speaker 4: I've seen several instances where they have written leaders of other countries to condemn the things that happen in this country.
• 49:56
  Speaker 4: I'm not sure how comfortable I'm with that.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: I don't like that.
• 49:58
  Speaker 4: I don't like that.
• 49:59
  Speaker 4: Fine, let me keep you.
• 50:00
  Speaker 4: Let me keep you.
• 50:01
  Speaker 4: Pnm and UNC we catch up on mustard battle Home here.
• 50:04
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean, amy Brung, of course, getting on the action.
• 50:06
  Speaker 4: We have something to talk about, amy Brung too.
• 50:08
  Speaker 4: We could be getting on the action here.
• 50:10
  Speaker 4: But you get out to the action Fast and take a martin.
• 50:18
  Speaker 4: The leader of the opposition's media release of today, focused on politics in the usa, is her most inappropriate injudicious, in-depth, imprudent, fawning, tactless, reckless.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: What the hell is this word?
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Obsequious.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: What the hell is going on here?
• 50:34
  Speaker 4: I gotta learn something today.
• 50:37
  Speaker 4: Hello, bear with me.
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: You know I'm not a young man, me, never see this word in my life.
• 50:42
  Speaker 4: Wait, hold on.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: What's the name?
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: Obsequious?
• 50:44
  Speaker 4: Only here, only know this word, only see this word before.
• 50:48
  Speaker 4: Obsequious meaning.
• 50:49
  Speaker 4: Do you know where the guy Obsequious from?
• 50:52
  Speaker 4: I don't even know how to pronounce it.
• 50:54
  Speaker 4: Obsequious, obedient or attentive to an excessive or civil degree.
• 50:59
  Speaker 4: Hey, amy brown using this word, right, what all I see in the word being this girl or this is this is from oxford, let me see.
• 51:11
  Speaker 4: Let me see if I'm right, because I didn't want me here though.
• 51:13
  Speaker 4: Something like no fooling definition from the oxford dictionary obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree.
• 51:21
  Speaker 4: I don't know what I mean.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: I remember.
• 51:23
  Speaker 4: I'm just trying to wait.
• 51:24
  Speaker 4: What you're doing?
• 51:25
  Speaker 4: You're hitting me at TI or are you just using words?
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: Let me go again.
• 51:29
  Speaker 4: The leader of the opposition's media release today, focused on politics in the USA, is her most injudicious, inept, imprudent fawn and tactless, reckless, obsequious, intemperate and ill-advised utterance to date.
• 51:43
  Speaker 4: So, needless to say, people upset about this and ill-advised utterance to date.
• 51:47
  Speaker 4: So, needless to say, people upset about this right.
• 51:49
  Speaker 4: At one point I thought it was me alone.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: I thought it was me.
• 51:53
  Speaker 4: I was trying to figure out.
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: Well, what is the point of bringing up Biden in that?
• 51:56
  Speaker 4: Anyway, anyway, as we've done on Amir Brown, let me see what kind of words he put together here.
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: Oh no, actually, let me see who else um against him.
• 52:11
  Speaker 4: It wasn't just amy brogner.
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: This is from in another article here by deris polo.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Amy brogner, again, you see.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Uh.
• 52:13
  Speaker 4: Headline says tongue lashing for kamala from government and unc mp over biden rebuke.
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: It says opposition leader kamala pusadbe says her face scathing criticism over her controversial remarks about the United States President Joe Biden, whose administration she described as a disaster.
• 52:28
  Speaker 4: But in response to those criticisms it also came from within her party she doubled down on the comments, insisting that she would not change her position.
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: I like her double downing.
• 52:36
  Speaker 4: Foreign Affairs Minister Dr Emery Brown was a wrong-handed detractor who took to Twitter.
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: Well, I read that already.
• 52:42
  Speaker 4: Speaking with the Guardian media outside Parliament yesterday, Brown further ripped into Posadbe Sessa, calling her statement a disaster, the same term she used against Biden.
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: In her bruising chastisement of Biden, posadbe Sessa also accused him of being too focused on pushing the woke extreme left-wing agenda that, she said, offended basic common sense and morality.
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: A stark contrast to her facebook post of four years ago, january 2021, where she congratulated biden on becoming president and expressed optimism for a good working relationship between tnt and washington.
• 53:14
  Speaker 4: That wouldn't be a stark contrast from nowadays exactly what she do now.
• 53:18
  Speaker 4: The only difference is that when she did that then she didn't say well, trump was the worst, and think she congratulate trump.
• 53:24
  Speaker 4: However, in her public rebuke of the former US president before the ink dried on the successors, donald Trump pen run out of ink at this point.
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: You know, because you're among the executive order and that's going to get overpopulated, you know.
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: I hope we have facilities for all of you coming back.
• 53:39
  Speaker 4: Take me home Country road, but anyway.
• 53:44
  Speaker 4: However, her public rebuke for the former US president before the ink dried on his successors.
• 53:51
  Speaker 4: Donald Trump's signing in Brown's stone condemnation.
• 53:56
  Speaker 4: I think the president is asking I want to get to who is the person in the UNC who is critiquing, they say, the government, united in critique government ministers and one PNM senator.
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: The government, united in critique Government ministers and one PNM senator were also united in their condemnation.
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: National Security Minister Fitzgerald Hines cheekily stated I'm tempted to say that the opposition leader is a disaster, but I won't say that.
• 54:20
  Speaker 4: Labor Minister Stephen McClashy said it's unfortunate and I think for a seasoned politician those comments have no place in a nation that is not under the protectorate or anything from the US government.
• 54:30
  Speaker 4: To make those kind of statements and it really, in my opinion, is undignified and completely lacking political wisdom.
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: Ansel Dennis, a man who I like a lot now, before I realized he was just using talking points, the comments were unfortunate and an embarrassment for Trinidad and Tobago, while Tourism Minister Randall Mitchell said I think it was extremely impolitic I know that's a word.
• 54:51
  Speaker 4: Neither I think it has the potential to damage our diplomacy and diplomatic relations within the United States or with the United States of America.
• 54:58
  Speaker 4: I doubt that.
• 54:59
  Speaker 4: Even within the opposition, one of the so-called descendants, dr Rai Ragbir, chastised Pasadbe Sessa, urging her to exercise greater sober thought in her public statements.
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: He said statements that single out or the Komuto Mandanila MP also expressed disappointment in her comments, which he believes can undermine TNT's longstanding relationship with the US.
• 55:22
  Speaker 4: You know I have some doubts about that statement.
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: You think politicians in power just pay a lot of attention to what the opposition say in the next country.
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: All of them know what politics is about.
• 55:32
  Speaker 4: So I may feel, let me take on the opposition too much.
• 55:34
  Speaker 4: Now.
• 55:35
  Speaker 4: What I do think is that if she win the next election, she might be jockeying for a position where me and trump is good friend, because we both don't like biden, all if anything.
• 55:48
  Speaker 4: That is what I think she was trying to do.
• 55:49
  Speaker 4: But he went on to say statements that single out specific political figures in the US, particularly when phrased in a way which could be perceived or partially inflammatory uh, perceived as as partial or inflammatory risk undermining our long-standing relationship with the US.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: She talked about the man who was going out to know.
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: She didn't talk about the man who coming in.
• 56:11
  Speaker 4: This relationship has been built on decades of mutual respect and cooperation, regardless of which administration is in power.
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: It's crucial that we adopt oh, okay, okay, I get what you're saying.
• 56:19
  Speaker 4: Alright, dr Ragbir, I understand you.
• 56:21
  Speaker 4: What Ragbir is saying is Let me sayilla win the election in november, right on unc in power and they have five years.
• 56:29
  Speaker 4: It means that she will have assuming that trump calls another election in this life and the democrats win it, because their next election will be 2029, right, sorry, 2028 will be their next election.
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: If we call election in november and somebody there for five years.
• 56:49
  Speaker 4: Our next uh election will be in 2030.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: So think of this if a democratic leader win in 2028 and unc win this year, that mean kamala has to deal with whoever is that democratic leader at the time.
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: And if that person is a biden, let me say hunter, biden, win right.
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: But again, can they say, politics have a morality of its own.
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: I would like to add that it also has a very, very short memory.
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: Politics is about agenda.
• 57:16
  Speaker 4: It's about who want to get what from who and when, and who have what and who can negotiate more and so on, and who have more power.
• 57:23
  Speaker 4: Uh is a lot less to do with that, but let me get into amory brong now.
• 57:28
  Speaker 4: Let me get into amory brong because we we back here again where amory brong has uh submitted a letter revoking consent to put himself up for diggo martin west is there.
• 57:39
  Speaker 4: Madam chair, upon consideration of further advice, I've made the decision to withdraw my name from diggo martin west nomination process.
• 57:46
  Speaker 4: I therefore revoke consent for my nomination for the digger martin west constituency.
• 57:51
  Speaker 4: I remain in full support of the pnm party and I'm completely committed to our best outcome in the upcoming elections.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: Thank you for your kind consideration and I extend gratitude and sincere best wishes to you and the entire constituency team.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: More little jockeying within the pnm right men jockeying for position and so on.
• 58:07
  Speaker 4: And, uh, hans devine surprising to me is the person who being tipped for digger martin west.
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: So they, they have the new sauce on these people in a quandary because they, they know how to respond over.
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: You know so much going on in the party and they're getting some information from this one and then both sending them that and roly say that.
• 58:25
  Speaker 4: But in the party, and they're getting some information from this one and they're both sending them that and Rowley said that.
• 58:26
  Speaker 4: But then the party doing this and things being labeled as leaks and what was, and unconfirmed reports and media attacking new media and new media, attacking traditional media and mainstream media.
• 58:37
  Speaker 4: So the backing out continues.
• 58:39
  Speaker 4: But the PNM you had to applaud them.
• 58:41
  Speaker 4: You know they, they have a way of figuring out into, because this, these little things that happen here as much as they, they're being treated, uh, or they're being dealt with seemingly in the public, in the public space, quickly.
• 58:54
  Speaker 4: So these stories coming up and they're dying in a day or two, uh, but they're so cloaked up in the way that they operate and nobody knows unless you're in them rooms or you're in a caucus or a party group.
• 59:07
  Speaker 4: It is don't do too much publicly.
• 59:10
  Speaker 4: So if all this coming out publicly, I think there's mayhem going on in Bally's house right now turmoil, mayhem, people belting glass at one another and so on.
• 59:21
  Speaker 4: Again it's back to teacup gate.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: Something going on because look at the timeline of events.
• 59:27
  Speaker 4: Rollers say he's resigning.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: He say he's playing stuart.
• 59:30
  Speaker 4: He let madame say they ain't no stuart.
• 59:32
  Speaker 4: Within a few days everybody say they were stuart.
• 59:36
  Speaker 4: Emery Brown announced I's the man for the girl, martin West.
• 59:38
  Speaker 4: Within a few days he say man for Dago Martin West, hans De Veens.
• 59:47
  Speaker 4: If you don't know Hans De Veens, a radio announcer and personality, tv personality and a PNM host.
• 59:50
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 59:51
  Speaker 4: He hosts a lot of PNM events.
• 59:52
  Speaker 4: I did not know he was also the son of Hugh Vaughan De Veens, maybe the lone pathologist or criminal pathologist in the country.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 4: I didn't know that.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 4: I also didn't know somebody was telling me that he's ACC qualified and so on.
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: So I didn't realize that he was putting himself in the mix in the politics and it seemed as though this is what Dago Martin West wants and what not happening.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 4: And it seemed as though it will not happen.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 4: Is that until these matters settle, it don't look like it.
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 4: Looked like we're only resigning, resigning when all these things settled.
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 4: Because he say he in there for much longer.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 4: He says, oh, I mean, he's on the beach having a good time, and so on.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: I think carnaval coming is a man who like a little fit, I would think, if he announced that he resigning in the midst of a soe.
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: Uh, no, no, no, no.
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 4: Better time than then.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: It didn't take me no week or two weeks or three weeks to tell you, hey, today, today is my last day.
• 1:00:46
  Speaker 4: All the contracts, what do prime minister contractors say?
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: Two weeks notice, just like everybody else's contract, whatever it is.
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: I find he taking long, to be honest, and my belief is that he taking long because these matters still not quite settled.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: In other words, some of them men, powerful men, right, if you ever watch Succession, succession, they have a show named succession.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: Succession is the most among the resign and he wants.
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: It's a show about a very big family business, right, it's a family who run in a conglomerate and uh, sometimes my father's sick everybody jockeying for who will be chairman of the board or who will be ceo or which company, and everybody have issues and one of the things I learned from watching succession is that don't feel because a man not in position, he's not the most powerful man in the room still.
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: So Rollers might be resigning and getting himself out of the party politics as far as elections concerned, but maybe he have a lot more power behind the scenes and he's still pulling his strings because if you saw whatever it is that caused that little delay between 11, 9 and 21 zip, it's clear that somebody had an agenda.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: I'm going to assume it's him to make sure that's the young in charge and the other acts.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 4: Now, if I resign and I'm walking away from it, I want to say like why?
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 4: Why do I not?
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 4: Not so much why I care, but I would be comfortable leaving it up to elections and all they do, all they want.
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 4: I go on and on, but it seems as though a lot of string pulling, a lot of string pulling, but as much as I.
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 4: I mean I like amy brong, I like every damn buddy, but I like amy brong.
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 4: I thought it would be good for the little diggo, martin west and so on, but I also like hans devines and for as young.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: If you give me the choice with somebody younger and who more in touch, I think I might.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: You know me well enough.
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: I might always end up on the side of the person who younger and more in touch, you know I mean.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 4: So salute.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: Salute to hans devines.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: Gotta continue to.
• 1:02:38
  Speaker 4: Gotta continue to monitor it, because it seems as though, uh, the reports coming and say Hans De Wiens and looking like he'll be the man, but there's a lot of delays.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: I also saw a similar situation happening in Moruga, where you have people who being touted for the MP for Moruga and, just like Digo Martin West, it's not exactly settled.
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: I know randall mitchell hatton he makes.
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: There were a few people who who up there, but those two seats seem to be unsettled.
• 1:03:16
  Speaker 4: I'm assuming that with screening going on, for maybe we had a month or two into screening, now all the other seats settle love until, like it, come and get settled everywhere.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 4: So it's looking like the gomartin west and maruga.
• 1:03:27
  Speaker 4: Is it to that?
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 4: Uh, that outstanding?
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 4: And I don't believe that michelle michelle was minister of tourism or is minister of tourism now, but I don't think he's an mp at all.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 4: So this might be his first time going up for elections.
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 4: Forgive me if I'm wrong about that, but um, but he going, he going, he going, he going and I, I going.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: It is one of the rare times I have seen where the turmoil within the PNM is spilling over to the top.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 4: But just like the show Succession, once a man decide he not going up for election again, it's all kind of games we'll play.
• 1:04:00
  Speaker 4: So let me, let me gain.
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 4: As we've done on Randall Mitchell already, let me talk about some of the things with culture in this season, this year, as it relates to him.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: I remember talking about new soccer competition and things that he's having.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 4: But I saw an article that was very, very surprising to me, right Going with Carissa Lee here, from the Guardian.
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: The headline says Tourism Ministry Creating System to Count Carnival Visitors to TNT.
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: I've seen some strange things before, but this one up there, ministry of Tourism, culture and Arts has worked closely with the Ministries of National Security and Digital Transformation in the last year to create a system that will capture and calculate members of this diaspora visiting TNT.
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: This was announced by Acting Permanent Secretary Videsh Maraj during the Joint Select Committee on Foreign Affairs, titled an inquiry into the role of the diaspora in national development.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 4: One of the things we realize is that it is lacking Israeli data on the diaspora.
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: It is a little unfortunate that the data we get does not capture the diaspora.
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 4: Maraj said the ministry's decision came after the data collected by the CSO through Immigration Division did not capture information on members of the death row.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 4: I confused he said last Carnival CSO reported there were 29,000 visitors but the Permanent Secretary revealed that the count was inaccurate.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 4: When we went into the Immigration Division we looked at all the forms in terms of persons that are residents abroad.
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 4: You had a further 12,000 people coming in for Carnival.
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 4: What Murad said to get in numbers of the diaspora visitors and he had to send staff to physically pull immigration forms and count one by one.
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 4: Only one year we in I want to apologize to Michaela Pandy right, because Last week I was saying she out of touch and we more digital, but like she, right, what is I reading here?
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: So it's a very tedious process.
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: So the visitor arrival figures for last year, all of 2024, were 319,775 non-nationals.
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: That does not include the diaspora.
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 4: The permanent secretary said the additional 12 000 visitors increased the visitor count from carnival to 2024 to 41 000.
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 4: Is it that they're trying to say, when they report figures for carnival over all these years, the 29 000 figure they give us, are they trying to say that that is only people who are not born here or have no connection to here, like it's visitors, visitors?
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 4: If that's the case, it's most ridiculous thing I ever hear, you know, because what kind of decisions we could make right?
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 4: I would think that if your role as a government part of it is building infrastructure right and you're not counting the diaspora that are coming back.
• 1:06:44
  Speaker 4: Listen, this I completely stumped here, you know, because I don't believe these figures.
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 4: Number one if I had to take a guess, you tell me if you had to guess right, our carnival, who you think is the bigger group coming to our carnival?
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 4: The diaspora or foreigners?
• 1:06:59
  Speaker 4: Foreigners, because what if?
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 4: If I write about this, they're saying we had 29 000 foreigners, man who had no trinidad passports or no title here, but only 12 000 people from the diaspora come back.
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 4: I don't believe that.
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 4: Them still counting wrong if there's a case.
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 4: If I'm assuming from immigration and with the cso, it had to be easy to count how much visitors we had coming into the country.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 4: This make me lose confidence in all the systems that we had right that 29 000 figure had to be accurate, right, that's a 9 000 figure because they have a separate line for visitors or people who's non-nationals or non-caricom people and they have a line for caricom people.
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 4: So I would assume that you could count the people who come from outside of caricom at least, and that had to be the 29 000 you're talking about.
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 4: If you want to count the people within carico and you want to count the diaspora, that must outnumber the number of people who come in from abroad.
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: I talk about as a fed go, as a mass player.
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 4: It is impossible that we have more, let me say, europeans and non-nationals and it's not making sense at all.
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 4: I guess I commend y'all for working on a system.
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 4: I believe we're now working on a system to do this, because I just thinking of it, and why it's so mind-blowing is because, from a marketing perspective or infrastructure perspective, you would need to know these numbers to make decisions like okay, how much hotels we need in the country?
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 4: What is our room stock?
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 4: We need to work on that, right.
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 4: The government is the biggest hotel owner in the country, or at least have the biggest deals with the biggest hotels in the country, so they have the most rooms.
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 4: This is really odd.
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 4: Let me tell you something I just take down.
• 1:08:37
  Speaker 4: This is what I throw away topic for this week.
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 4: I just pulled this because it's a kind of island in numbers and I was a little surprised that we, you know.
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 4: But number one, all our immigration being pen and paper is a mistake and it will lead to inaccuracies like these.
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 4: And unless the immigration system go completely digital, they could never count how much people come in here or go in.
• 1:09:01
  Speaker 4: This is a waste of time.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 4: Unless it's completely digital, meaning somebody entering it digitally or the passports being scanned, we still in a situation, uh, where they're just reading the immigration person, reading the passport, enter some information and stamp it.
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 4: So then how you will know that my uncle, michael, is a trini coming back to trinidad and if let's assume he has a us passport now and he's a citizen of us, wouldn't you consider him diaspora?
• 1:09:26
  Speaker 4: So when he come in, you wouldn't count him as that.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: You don't know these things and unless the form's digitized, then you could be in the same situation describing here we had to go in and pull these things, pull these things individually.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 4: This very, very, very surprising.
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 4: This is something that I will continue to monitor.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 4: I want to see when this come back around, because if they're talking about 2025 Carnival, we're done heading towards February already.
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 4: This system had to be in place real fast so that we could start counting these things, because within the next two to three weeks, we could expect the earliest Carnival visitors to start coming in.
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 4: By the time you reach Panorama, a good set of people done reach already, pansemi's that is, which is two weeks before Carnival, and with our late Carnival we have some.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 4: We have some leeway, we have some time to get this thing done.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 4: But this is a problem and this tells me a little bit of a story as to why we have so much issues with Carnival, with rooms for people to stay in and that kind of thing, because I could assume that the diaspora has a chance of staying by somebody, whereas the people who are completely foreigners, like that 29,000 they're reporting are more likely to be in demand of hotel rooms.
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 4: I would also assume that it would be useful information to find out what percentage of the diaspora would want a hotel room or Airbnb.
• 1:10:44
  Speaker 4: It makes me feel like these things are not managed, these things are being done completely by guests, when I hear every week talking about carnival as an industry and these kind of things.
• 1:10:52
  Speaker 4: It shows you why, maybe in Trinidad, carnival is no kind of industry at all.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 4: Listen, you live and learn.
• 1:11:07
  Speaker 4: There's no end to this.
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 4: Listen, we had about an hour and a quarter leaving holiday.
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 4: I have two songs to play this week.
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 4: Right, one of these songs have a special connection to and some special work and a few little surprises coming down the pipeline.
• 1:11:24
  Speaker 4: Right, you know what I mean?
• 1:11:25
  Speaker 4: It's 2025.
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 4: I hear every week talking about how people should change and what we should do better and them kind of thing.
• 1:11:31
  Speaker 4: And I realize I am 200, episode 200 and something I mean do nothing different for the last 150.
• 1:11:38
  Speaker 4: Sometime you had to take your own advice.
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 4: So, with that in mind, you have a piece of juve tune, because it's looking like for me Juve going to be here this year.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 4: I tried to convince Paula Stacey.
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 4: I said if you get two free costumes, you ain't going on the road.
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 4: She said no, I ain't going on the road by myself.
• 1:11:56
  Speaker 4: I have no partners to play, no mass with.
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 4: It ain't looking like I'm mass here, but she did tell me that she have a Juve band and she done.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: Sign up and come out for the little juves.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 4: Yeah, same time player juve, and it had a time where you, you, you used to get from many of the biggest artists and the whole you used to get a series of juve songs, juve and cannaval.
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 4: We just can't miss the bacchanalo.
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 4: Knock your bottle, blow your whistle, you go get a jab jab, tune you, you, you know I mean you must get a love way for juve and salute to the great.
• 1:12:26
  Speaker 4: What I mean you must get a love way for Juve and salute to the great Keegan Taylor for getting me a love way for the Juve this year.
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 4: This might be me on your road, you know.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 8: Welcome to Juve.
• 1:12:35
  Speaker 8: Everything come out how you want.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: It's Juve.
• 1:12:38
  Speaker 8: I'm living alone.
• 1:12:41
  Speaker 7: I'm living alone in the jungle.
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 7: I'm living alone in the jungle.
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 7: I live in a lone in the jungle.
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 8: I live in a lone in the jungle.
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 8: They can lie and heart to humble.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 8: I live in a lone.
• 1:12:48
  Speaker 8: I live in a lone in the jungle.
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 8: I live in a lone in the jungle.
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 8: They can lie and heart to humble.
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 8: I don't want them already.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 8: They can't stop my destiny.
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 8: But if you stand in front of me, oh boy, oh my lad, I see you coming with manga to put me under pressure, but I come in like a soldier running right on them.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 8: My mama told ya, I'm out to play in the morning.
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 8: True faith.
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 8: And you see, how we sink on Nothing Bet your life when we come down, break me Too afraid to do money.
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 8: Fell off your finger.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: Don't cry.
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 8: If you lost your eye, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry, don't cry.
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 4: Guys, what I don't understand.
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 4: I don't understand that, right, I'm not understanding because Keegan is a sick fried man, right.
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 4: But here's what I can't understand where you had to go there.
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 4: Number one don't tell me, if I bust my eye, don't cry, right?
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 4: Number one Don't tell me that If I bust my eye, don't cry, right?
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: Number one Don't tell me that If I bust my eye, I'll cry.
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 4: If you bruise your finger, don't just don't cry.
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know about them sick fighting and all they're going to kill me.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: You know, but why I had to lose my finger.
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 4: I had to bust my eye, I had to bruise my elbow.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 8: Why I had to lose my wife in.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 8: I don't understand Living alone in the jungles.
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 8: They can lie and hard to humble.
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 8: I done warned them already.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: They can't stop my destiny.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 8: But if you stand in front of me, oh boy, oh my lad, I see you coming with wanga To put me under pressure, but I come in like a soldier, rolling like thunder.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 8: Remember me, soldier, I'm out to play in the morning and you see how we sink on, let your life and we come down.
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 8: Thank you, and you see how we stink on, bless your life when we come down.
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 8: Too afraid that no money fell off your finger, fell off your eye.
• 1:15:10
  Speaker 8: You bruised your elbow, kiff me teeth, your eyes.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 8: Don't say nobody, never tell ya.
• 1:15:18
  Speaker 8: Remember the time when granny tried to tell ya.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 8: Well, alright, leave me, let me tell ya, cause I don't want nobody else come and tell ya.
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 8: Too afraid is a time when human Come out on the front like the fight of demon, early in the morning.
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 8: We come down, let me under pressure, but I come in like a soldier, rolling like thunder.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 8: Mama, I'm a soldier, I'm out to play in the morning, juvie, and you see how we sink on, juvie, bless your life when we come down Ready, don't fret, I don't mind if you lost your finger, don't cry.
• 1:15:59
  Speaker 8: If you lost your eye, don't cry.
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 8: If you bru, lose your elbow, don't cry.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 8: If we give you eyes, don't cry.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 8: When we come out to play in the morning, can you see how we think and touch it.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 8: Let your life when we come down, don't fear that.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 8: No man, if you lost your finger, don't cry.
• 1:16:15
  Speaker 8: If you lost your eye, don't cry.
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 8: If you lose your elbow, don't cry.
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 8: If we give you eyes, don't cry.
• 1:16:22
  Speaker 8: High, high, high in the morning.
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 8: Look down, bye Jufa, and you see how we stink on Naughty.
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 8: That's a life when we come down Ready, too afraid.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 8: I know, man, if I lost your finger, don't cry.
• 1:16:48
  Speaker 8: If you're bruised your elbow, don't cry If you're bruised your elbow but just leave my wife.
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: What the hell is this?
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 4: After I hear I leave my wife.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 4: Pause, as my wife I play in Jufa, wait till the key girl and them feel they gonna Set for waiting on Keegan and them feeling to set me up during the morning.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: Quite kind of all Monday as a single man.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: I don't like that part.
• 1:17:09
  Speaker 4: But salute, salute, salute to the great Keegan Taylor, right, I have a next thing to leave with you.
• 1:17:12
  Speaker 4: You know, I want to leave with you again because, again, somebody who, in my humble opinion, I just feel like this youth was in her life before.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 4: You know what I mean.
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: I don't think this is his first time traversing the youth, because this fellow tapping into energy and a vibe, salute to him again.
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: This is young brother, right, and you know, yeah, we were at the point now where pretty much anything young brother sing could get featured on this podcast, right, well, they could accept that video.
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: And you see, the same thing I said about tr Trinidad Killer, right, where he tap into a kind of sentiment with the Eskimo thing and who are broad.
• 1:17:50
  Speaker 4: And you know, funny enough, the whole point I was making earlier about the oppressed becoming the oppressor, that is not a cannibal thing, that is just a human thing.
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 4: Right, it's the real thing.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 4: Because I want to play a piece of something for you here before I go right.
• 1:18:08
  Speaker 4: I just as a, as a, as a on my exit part.
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: I want to play something for you real quick, because the oppressed becoming the oppressor.
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 4: It's almost like when you know these things, it's better you just prepare for these things, because while trinidad killer feeling that way about jumping on the eskimo rhythm and then then then taking him seriously and he do so much for the culture and all them kind of things and the the rant that he was going on before, right, of course, when you have a big rhythm, as with any other genre, people go sing on your rhythm.
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 4: That I think I mean, judging from the list I read from full blown.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 4: People know that that coming right.
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 4: So trinidad Killer, jump on the rhythm, find a big tune and find his way to Nicki Minaj.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: Now, right, but I want to play something for you from a little before Nicki Minaj got involved.
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 4: If you don't know, there's a popular social media personality here by the name of Mooty X, right, and he jump on the rhythm too, along with a man named Swizzle Stick.
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 4: So I would think that if I string that killer and I jump on rhythm and man fighting me dong, and then other men come and jump on rhythm too, I would think, like you know, you get a strength, you get some other people to support and help you fight the battle, but sometimes again, with the oppressed becoming the oppressor, it kind of always works.
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 4: So so hear this right, just hear this interaction.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 9: Dog.
• 1:19:27
  Speaker 9: I want to let you know, I want to let you know, big dog, that in Eskimo yeah, this is actually the first time I'm getting to the Eskimo now I know the Eskimo released a couple days now and I'm now getting to the Eskimo and I want I think now is the perfect time, this live is the perfect time to let them know that I also like one too.
• 1:19:50
  Speaker 9: Now here's the greatest it's in my phone, it's in my phone and I need to just send it to the next phone and I'll play it in my car so I can play it off my car when I'm on live.
• 1:20:01
  Speaker 5: Oh, you want to hear me sing it.
• 1:20:09
  Speaker 9: When we chip in for carnival time and you start to push back that wine, I want your bubble and give me the ting, baby.
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 6: When we chip in, you get permission to jump on the radio.
• 1:20:19
  Speaker 9: Oh, let's have plenty controversy right now.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 9: Let's have plenty controversy In the making right now.
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 9: By tonight you will see what's going on with that Close it on the next side.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 9: Yeah, what's going on Just now?
• 1:20:33
  Speaker 9: Pause it, Pause it.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 9: See, life is 400.
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 9: I want to jump out the window, but I don't have it.
• 1:20:39
  Speaker 9: You can't get it from one thing, boy.
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 9: That's what you're doing.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but what I'm saying is we gotta shine together.
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 5: Are you?
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 4: papi, showing the thing the way you hear.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 4: There is basically Trinidad Killer cutting Muti X out of the live saying you come here to promote your thing.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 4: I know what we're about now Hear it eh.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 9: Yeah, what's going on?
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 9: Pause it, pause it.
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 9: See, live at 400,.
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 9: I want to drop it, you know, but I don't have it in my phone.
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 9: From one thing, boy, that's what you're doing.
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but what I'm saying is we had a shine together cut him off are you probably showing anything.
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 5: Yet you understand what I'm saying.
• 1:21:19
  Speaker 5: I don't jump on it, I get it back and I'll not say understand you coming good, and that is it you know.
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: So the oppressed becoming the oppressor while he in a battle.
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: Keep in mind that that you hear there was before Nicki Minaj and the apology and thing right.
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 4: So you're fighting everybody full blown.
• 1:21:39
  Speaker 4: Fighting in the dong Marshall, fighting in the dong Chinese laundry, fighting in the dong everybody fighting in the dong Mutti X decide to join you to put a tune on your rhythm too.
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: And he tell you openly yeah, I come in any life to promote the thing.
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: You have 400 people that we let it build up.
• 1:21:51
  Speaker 4: And then now, and you cut him off, you say no, don't come to the only all your papi showing the thing now, in other words, yours.
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 4: You good to do what you doing, but he ain't good to do what he did.
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 4: Just real nice.
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: But while we say all that as, as I said last week, it's unfortunate that Young Brother is having one of the biggest songs in the rhythm and they've been broiling controversy.
• 1:22:36
  Speaker 2: And as I see him dropping next tune, I have to play that too up change Headache for you and trouble for me.
• 1:22:42
  Speaker 2: So when I run out my place, i'ma tell them Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I want to be free like a bird.
• 1:22:49
  Speaker 2: I want to be free like a bird down in the road.
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 2: Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I want to be free like a bird.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: I want to be free like a bird down in the road, cause there's plenty charm in this world Plenty charm in love, plenty charm in love, when, plenty charm.
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 2: And this one Plenty charm and love, plenty charm.
• 1:23:10
  Speaker 2: And one when I don't need start to wind y'all Plenty charm.
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: And this one Plenty charm and love, plenty charm.
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 2: And one All over the place, them women, them, belt in waist, bend down and look back, I should be able to choke that.
• 1:23:21
  Speaker 2: I should be able to choke that choke.
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 2: That If you see them bubbling, bend over and look back, I should be able to choke that.
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: I should be able to choke that choke.
• 1:23:25
  Speaker 2: That If you see them bubbling, bend over and look back, I should be able to choke that.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 2: I should be able to choke that choke.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: That.
• 1:23:31
  Speaker 2: Ain't you like the wine?
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 2: So you know, if you go out the line, it might have about one or two gal with a loose waist and I might run off behind.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 2: Gal, you is the boss, but I must run free Cannibal time and I'm doing my thing.
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 2: Love in the house, but this is the streets.
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 2: So when I run out my place now, whoa, I want to be free like a bird.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 2: I want to be free like a bird Down in the road.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 2: Whoa, I want to be free like a bird.
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 2: I want to be free like a bird Down in the road.
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 2: There's plenty charm and there's one Plenty charm and there's one Plenty jam and love, plenty jam and love, plenty jam and love, plenty jam and love, plenty jam and love, plenty jam and love, plenty jam and love, plenty jam and love.
• 1:24:08
  Speaker 4: Plenty jam and love Plenty jam and love Plenty jam and love Plenty jam and love Plenty jam and love Plenty jam and love Plenty jam.
• 1:24:22
  Speaker 2: I enjoy doing this.
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 4: But whatever, this virus is going around like it's trying to take me out and it ain't leaving at all.
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: So I'm fighting up with it.
• 1:24:30
  Speaker 4: But I hear hopefully the next time you hear from him a voice singing like if it's singing like something.
• 1:24:35
  Speaker 4: Sorry, I had to endure that today.
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: But again, stay safe, stay peaceful, enjoy the great country, trinidad and Tobago.
• 1:24:42
  Speaker 4: Enjoy the carnival, whatever great country Trinidad and Tobago, enjoy the carnival wherever Fet's only going to Stay.
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: Good, I ain't reached no Fet yet, but Fet reviews go start soon when I get permission to come out.
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 4: You know, like I ain't getting no passport stamp.
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 4: These days it look like People say they ain't going nowhere and like me, care going nowhere when them ain't going nowhere.
• 1:24:57
  Speaker 4: I want to be free like a bird.
• 1:24:59
  Speaker 4: I want to be free like a bird.