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Bengals Booth Podcast: Wanna Be Startin' Somethin' · Bengals Booth Podcast

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Speaker 1: Hi, get everybody. I'm Dan Horde and thanks for downloading
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Speaker 1: the Bengals Booth Podcast. The I said you want to
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Speaker 1: be stot in something, you got to be stot in something. Addition,
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Speaker 1: as Dave Lapham joins me to discuss our first day
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Speaker 1: at Bengals training camp in twenty twenty. Yes, we were
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Speaker 1: there on Thursday meeting. We got our first look at
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow and a Bengals uniform, albeit from a distance.
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Speaker 1: We'll share our observations about him, a j Green, Billy Price,
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Speaker 1: and a whole lot more. After that, I'll talk to
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Speaker 1: one of the most interesting stories on this year's roster,
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Speaker 1: Winston Rose. He was among the best players in the
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Speaker 1: Canadian Football League last year and now he's looking to
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Speaker 1: prove that he can make it in the NFL. The
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Speaker 1: I can confidently state that I am COVID free to
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Speaker 1: give you an indication of how strict the NFL protocols
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Speaker 1: are a training camp. In order to watch practice this week,
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Speaker 1: Dave Lappleman I had to test negative for the coronavirus
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Speaker 1: three times in a five day period. Then on Thursday morning,
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Speaker 1: we entered the practice field through a separate gait and
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Speaker 1: watched from a platform behind one of the end zones,
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Speaker 1: never getting close to a player or coach. Normally we
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Speaker 1: would be right on the sideline with the freedom to
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Speaker 1: get right up close to the drills. But I have
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Speaker 1: no complaints. It was great to be standing next to Lap,
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Speaker 1: well technically six feet away from Lap, with our masks on,
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Speaker 1: watching Bengals football Lap. On Thursday, we were able to
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Speaker 1: attend practice a training camp for the first time, and
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Speaker 1: that meant we got our first ever look, at least
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Speaker 1: in a training cap atmosphere at quarterback Joe Burrow. What'd
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Speaker 1: you think? I was duly impressed in, you know, watching
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Speaker 1: him throw the football is really a beautiful site. Really
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Speaker 1: from a football standpoint. He's got a very tight spiral.
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Speaker 1: He's extremely accurate with the football. His mechanics are very
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Speaker 1: very tight. When he decides to start a s throwing motion,
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Speaker 1: to the conclusion of it, that ball is out and
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Speaker 1: you know, I noticed whenever he's taken drops from center
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Speaker 1: and taking his three step five step drop, stating and
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Speaker 1: throwing the football, he's always the first one to have
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Speaker 1: it out and that those tens of a second are
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Speaker 1: extremely important. A lot of times it's it's a difference
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Speaker 1: between you know, having a seventeen yard completion down the
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Speaker 1: football field and getting hit for a seven yard sack.
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Speaker 1: I mean there are those. Every tenth is massive, and
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Speaker 1: he has a very very quick decision making process and
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Speaker 1: a delivery, and then when he gets it down the
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Speaker 1: football field, he's not making his receivers work. You know,
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Speaker 1: they don't have to slow down to catch the football,
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Speaker 1: they don't have to overextend to catch the football. He's
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Speaker 1: hitting them in stride. I mean, he's not thrown into
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Speaker 1: bay windows. He's thrown into portholes. He's thrown into very
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Speaker 1: very tight windows. Reminds me a lot of Kenny Anderson.
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Speaker 1: You know, I've mentioned before that I'd worked at camp
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Speaker 1: with them in Connecticut. It's called the Offense Defense Camp,
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Speaker 1: and he would just want to work on his throwing,
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Speaker 1: you know, just get some throws in, keep that arm limber.
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Speaker 1: And it was unbelievable. I'd be twenty five thirty yards
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Speaker 1: away from and he'd throw it and he'd say right shoulder, boom,
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Speaker 1: naval boom, left shoulder, you know, right hip, and hit
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Speaker 1: those spots even though they're so close together. My hands
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Speaker 1: would be right there in the ball would be at
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Speaker 1: that spot. He was. He was unbelievable. And boy, if
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow can play as long as Kenny didn't have
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Speaker 1: the accuracy Kenny did and everything else that Kenny Anderson did,
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Speaker 1: I think the Bengals would be extremely happy. He reminded
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Speaker 1: me a lot watching old fourteen slinging a little bit.
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Speaker 1: That is obviously very high praise, especially considering how close
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Speaker 1: you are to Ken Anderson. We should clarify he was
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Speaker 1: not throwing against defenses. He is throwing on air, as
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Speaker 1: they say, so really all you can determine from watching
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Speaker 1: that is how does the throw look, how quickly does
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Speaker 1: he get it out, etc. And just based on how
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Speaker 1: much he could impress us. He was very impressive. He
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Speaker 1: was dan And you know the thing that the receivers
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Speaker 1: used to I hear receivers all the time when they
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Speaker 1: talk about Kenny Man his ball so catchable. It's like
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Speaker 1: it's like a mattress. It's so soft, man. It comes
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Speaker 1: in there and it's not going to dislocate your fingers,
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Speaker 1: break your fingers. You know, it's he's not gonna you know,
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Speaker 1: split your the webbing in your finger. I mean, I've
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Speaker 1: seen guys receivers actually have the webbing in their fingers
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Speaker 1: split catching fastballs from these guys who are trying to
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Speaker 1: throw the ball through the wall. You know, and I'm
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Speaker 1: not saying that, you know, a strong arms not good.
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Speaker 1: But you know, Kenny's arm was plenty strong enough. I
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Speaker 1: think Joe's is going to be plenty strong enough. Why
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Speaker 1: because they put it in such tight spots. I mean,
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Speaker 1: they know where they're going to football. They're putting into
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Speaker 1: such a spot the defense has very little time to
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Speaker 1: react to it, you know. I mean, I think accuracy
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Speaker 1: makes up for a lot of things, including you know,
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Speaker 1: maybe a little bit less arm strength. But they have
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Speaker 1: plenty enough arm strength, and receivers appreciate the fact that
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Speaker 1: they can pluck the football. They don't have to catch
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Speaker 1: it and give and be in pain doing it. You know,
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Speaker 1: It's it's very easy for him. It's just like you know,
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Speaker 1: picking cotton. They're out there just picking fruit. You know,
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Speaker 1: it's like it's just pick. They're picking footballs out of
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Speaker 1: the air. It's very easy. They're just plucking it. So
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Speaker 1: there are four quarterbacks in training camp, and as we
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Speaker 1: watch these drills, Joe Burrow would go first, Ryan Finley
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Speaker 1: sack and Jake Dolagala third, and then the fourth guy
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Speaker 1: was very interesting to watch Brandon Allen, the quarterback who
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Speaker 1: started a couple of games for the Denver Broncos last year,
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Speaker 1: because he is definitely being quarantined, at least in a
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Speaker 1: sense at practice. Yeah, he is. I don't know. I
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Speaker 1: guess they're probably keeping him pretty isolated in the building
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Speaker 1: because he's being as isolated as possible on the football field.
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Speaker 1: He never got in a huddle, Dan, He never set
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Speaker 1: the huddle, never called a play in the huddle, never
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Speaker 1: broke the huddle, never came to the line of scrimmage
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Speaker 1: with the team and executed a play. The other three
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks all took turns in rotation of running plays. And
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Speaker 1: four quarterbacks, that's hard to get a lot of equal snaps.
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Speaker 1: It's impossible, and you want to get Joe as many
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Speaker 1: as you can at some point in time. So divving
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Speaker 1: up four quarterbacks snaps in an hour practice is tough.
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Speaker 1: So the way they're doing it, and it serves multiple purposes,
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Speaker 1: is they're quarantining him as such, like you say, keeping
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Speaker 1: him behind all that action. He's back there with the
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Speaker 1: coaches and the other players. And then he goes through.
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Speaker 1: Here's the call. They break the huddle, goes to the
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Speaker 1: line of scrimmage. He's acting like he's under center, takes
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Speaker 1: the snap, and then he goes through his progression. He
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Speaker 1: does his footwork on a running play. I saw him
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Speaker 1: doing the reverse pivots footwork, all that sort of thing.
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Speaker 1: Quarterbacks getting out of pocket on bootleg. He's doing that,
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Speaker 1: and then he's simulating a throw though throwing motion, not
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Speaker 1: throwing the football. That was some of the time. Other
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Speaker 1: times he would throw the football, he'd throw the football
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Speaker 1: to another receiver. He'd see who the quarterback was throwing too.
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Speaker 1: You know, there's three or four options on every route.
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Speaker 1: He'd get out of pocket, run behind the quarterback, so
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Speaker 1: he had the exact same vantage point as the quarterback.
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Speaker 1: When it was out of pocket, quarterback would hit one,
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Speaker 1: he'd go to the intermediate with quarterback. When deep, he'd
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Speaker 1: go short, just the opposite so quarterbacks are getting more work,
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Speaker 1: receivers are getting more work, they're running their routes, and
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Speaker 1: it's not just you know, running around and not getting rewarded.
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Speaker 1: Two guys are catching the football instead of one. More
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks are. You know, he's getting tons of reps mental
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Speaker 1: reps because he's doing it with every guy. And then
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Speaker 1: he stayed after practice to getting more physical work and
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Speaker 1: throw the ball after practice more. So it was very
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Speaker 1: interesting to watch how they're doing that kind of thing.
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Speaker 1: And he's got a pretty good understanding Zack's offense anyway,
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Speaker 1: having been involved with that concept offensively before. So very interesting.
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Speaker 1: In order to be able to watch practice on Thursday,
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Speaker 1: we had to pass three COVID nineteen tests in a
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Speaker 1: five day period Saturday, Tuesday, and Wednesday. We are also
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Speaker 1: wearing connection ki n e x O N devices at practice,
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Speaker 1: and these are little flashing devices. If we get within
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Speaker 1: six feet of certain employees, they start flashing and beeping.
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Speaker 1: If we get within ten feet of other employees, they
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Speaker 1: start flashing and beeping. So obviously the NFL is being
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Speaker 1: very careful about people potentially passing the virus from one
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Speaker 1: person to the next. Additionally, at practice, we were behind
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Speaker 1: one of the end zones on a platform quite a
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Speaker 1: long distance away from the actions, so some drills you
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Speaker 1: can see well, others you can't. Fortunately, the wide receivers
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Speaker 1: got very close to us and we got a great
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Speaker 1: look at aj Green. We really did Dan and man,
10:02
Speaker 1: he looks world class to me. I mean, to me,
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Speaker 1: he could be on an Olympic track and field team
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Speaker 1: watching that guy. It is. He worked. It's obvious he
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Speaker 1: works so hard in the offseason. I can remember what
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Speaker 1: he looked like in Cleveland at the end of last
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Speaker 1: year running routes down in the field before the game,
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Speaker 1: like a good iro and a half poor kickoff, and
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Speaker 1: he looked so smooth and explosive coming out of his routes.
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Speaker 1: He's even even more so now. I mean, he's worked
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Speaker 1: so hard and he's in tremendous shape, and man, it's
10:34
Speaker 1: like he's the if you look look up fluidity in
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Speaker 1: Webster's his pictures right there. In terms of running routes,
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Speaker 1: it's unbelievable to watch him effortless. It's really it's it's
10:47
Speaker 1: it's like watching a professional dancer do his thing. He
10:51
Speaker 1: gets in and out of cuts so well at his
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Speaker 1: height to do the things that he does. The separation
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Speaker 1: and he gets and then catching the football. You know,
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Speaker 1: they were running routes and like end zone crossers down
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Speaker 1: in front of us and he just when he catches it,
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Speaker 1: it doesn't make any noise. It's it's silent. He just
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Speaker 1: plucks it. It's it's like it it gets absorbed into
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Speaker 1: an amba or something. I mean, where does that football go?
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Speaker 1: And and he only he flashes his hands up there
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Speaker 1: and it's it's out of the air. It's it snatches it.
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Speaker 1: It's it's just it's amazing to watch him just snag
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Speaker 1: a football the way he does it, and his skill
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Speaker 1: set is definitely off the charts. And I'm rooting for
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Speaker 1: him big time. I know, as every Bengal fan is there,
11:32
Speaker 1: you know he's he's on a one year deal. He's
11:34
Speaker 1: on a one year proved deal. Mike Daniels on a
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Speaker 1: one year proved deal. You know, these guys, they're they're
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Speaker 1: playing for something. They're playing for their playing for a
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Speaker 1: continuation of their career. They're planning to provide for their families.
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Speaker 1: They're planning for personal pride, and nobody has more personal
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Speaker 1: pride than Adril Jeremiah Green. As you call him. And
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Speaker 1: AJ is not the only guy who got into tiptop shape.
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Speaker 1: I mean he's always in tiptop shape. But a couple
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Speaker 1: of guys who stood out from where we were for
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Speaker 1: transforming their physiques linebacker Jordan Evans and offensive lineman Billy Price.
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Speaker 1: There's no doubt. And uh, you know it's it's Billy
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Speaker 1: Price obviously realized that that coach Turner likes big bodies,
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Speaker 1: particularly inside. He likes the big body type. So Billy
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Speaker 1: he looks every bit of three twenty five, three thirty.
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Speaker 1: He's put on put on some so and it's not sloppy,
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Speaker 1: it's it's he's stick. I mean, it's it's good weight.
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Speaker 1: He's blown up, there's no question about it. But you know,
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Speaker 1: as as a teammate and as a coach, his reaction
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Speaker 1: is what's your hope for instead of sulking poor me,
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Speaker 1: feeling sorry for yourself assuming the fetal position. All right,
12:46
Speaker 1: I can either accept this or I'm going to do
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Speaker 1: something about it. He did something about it, So he's
12:51
Speaker 1: he changed himself, changed himself physically. Is that what it's
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Speaker 1: going to take? I mean, obviously, Billy Price another prideful guy,
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Speaker 1: and it hasn't gone with injury and other reasons, hasn't
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Speaker 1: gone the way he's wanted it to to this point
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Speaker 1: in time. But he's not quitting on it. He's going
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Speaker 1: to try to do something about it and see if
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Speaker 1: he can, you know, restart it and reboot and and uh,
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Speaker 1: you know, the new and improved, the different Billy Price.
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Speaker 1: Look at Billy Price and Jordan Evans is definitely trimmed.
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Speaker 1: I mean, Jordan Evans played on the back end in
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Speaker 1: high school. Jordan Evans played defensive back and just kept
13:23
Speaker 1: you know, he's got a big frame and just kept
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Speaker 1: growing and growing. His dad was a great player at
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Speaker 1: Oklahoma as well, and he knew Jordan was going to
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Speaker 1: be a bigger guy eventually. And now he's decided that
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Speaker 1: he was going to trim down a little bit, lose
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Speaker 1: some of the maybe a little bit of body fat.
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Speaker 1: But he looks good. He looks good out there running
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Speaker 1: around at that number fifty fifty Jersey On, you know,
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Speaker 1: so Jonah Williams, you know, we got to look at
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Speaker 1: him as well. Jonah's redone himself, So it's good. I mean,
13:48
Speaker 1: guys have put the work in, and when you put
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Speaker 1: the work in in the offseason and particularly with the
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Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. You know, it wasn't easy. Like Mike Daniels
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Speaker 1: built a gym in his house, tore it down, you know,
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Speaker 1: moved it from Michigan to Green Bay, rebuilt it. I mean,
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Speaker 1: guys are are making commitments and fighting through adversity and
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Speaker 1: all that sort of thing. And it's good to see
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Speaker 1: you guys doing that and trying to make twenty twenties
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Speaker 1: as good as season as they possibly can for themselves
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Speaker 1: in their football team. The Billy Price situation is interesting
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Speaker 1: to me because when you look at projections of the
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Speaker 1: Bengals starting offensive line, I haven't seen Billy Price listed.
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Speaker 1: Trey Hopkins got a contract extension. I think we assume
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Speaker 1: he's going to be the starting center. They signed Xavier
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Speaker 1: Sue of Philo to potentially be the starting right guard.
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Speaker 1: But clearly, in Billy Price's mind, he's not conceding any
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Speaker 1: of that, whether it's winning the center position back or
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Speaker 1: beating out Xavier Sue of Philo and others to be
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Speaker 1: the right guard. Billy Price showed up with the intention
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Speaker 1: of winning a starting job back, no doubt about it, Dan,
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Speaker 1: you know, and he and Michael Jordan probably going to
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Speaker 1: be in a pretty good battle at that left guard spot.
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Speaker 1: Former Buckey's both of them, Michael Jordan's a much different
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Speaker 1: body type Mike Jordan. Michael Jordan's got the length and strength.
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Speaker 1: Billy Price has the strength, not as much the length.
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Speaker 1: So you know that's that's what he's fighting. I think
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Speaker 1: as much staying. But you know what, there's nothing wrong
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Speaker 1: with being number six, particularly if you're the best at
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Speaker 1: if you're the number one guy at center, in both guards,
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Speaker 1: the chances of all three guys playing every snap for
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Speaker 1: sixteen games, you know, in a perfect world, great, it
15:29
Speaker 1: doesn't always happen. So you don't want to go from
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Speaker 1: you'd like to go one to one A, not one
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Speaker 1: to off the depth chart, like what's this guy? You
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Speaker 1: can coaches like, how are we gonna win with this
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Speaker 1: guy at the position? So you want to be and
15:44
Speaker 1: you don't want to let your teammates down if a
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Speaker 1: starter goes down. You don't want to be a guy
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Speaker 1: to come run into the huddle all your team is going,
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Speaker 1: oh jesus, this guy, I mean, we got no shot.
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Speaker 1: You don't want to be that guy. You want to
15:56
Speaker 1: you want to be a guy like, hey, I'm as good.
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Speaker 1: You know. It's it's just it's all us a flip
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Speaker 1: of the coin. Guys. I can play. I'm not going
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Speaker 1: to let us down. I can show you I can play.
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Speaker 1: There's nothing wrong in a perfect You want to have
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Speaker 1: eight linemen that you can rely on to play and
16:11
Speaker 1: not have any qualms whatsort of one wine coach. Just
16:14
Speaker 1: go out there and play right tackle, You're fine. Let's
16:17
Speaker 1: go out there and play left guard. You're fine. That's
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Speaker 1: what you want to have. You want to be able
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Speaker 1: to have and still be able to operate not miss
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Speaker 1: a beat. So Billy's going to provide that. One thing
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Speaker 1: I've enjoyed over the years at training camp, and I
16:28
Speaker 1: know you have too, is the opportunity to walk up
16:31
Speaker 1: to team president Mike Brown and pick his brain and
16:34
Speaker 1: listen to his stories. And it's always enjoyable to spend
16:37
Speaker 1: some time with Mike in this environment. Not sure we're
16:40
Speaker 1: going to get the chance to do that this training
16:42
Speaker 1: camp because he positions himself between the practice field so
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Speaker 1: he can swivel and watch drills in all directions. But
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Speaker 1: it was interesting to see him in the year twenty
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Speaker 1: twenty wearing a mask watching a football practice. The number
16:57
Speaker 1: of decades that he's been involved in football is staggering,
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Speaker 1: you know, I mean as a player and uh, and
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Speaker 1: now all the way up to being an owner. It's
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Speaker 1: got to be from the forties. You know, I'm not
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Speaker 1: I'm not thinking late thirties. I don't know. I don't.
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Speaker 1: I don't think he goes back and going back that far,
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Speaker 1: he's what eighty four, I mean he could be. I mean,
17:19
Speaker 1: I know he's in training camp in the forties. You know,
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Speaker 1: so forties, fifties, sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, twenty tens, twenty,
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Speaker 1: that's unbelievable. That's a lifetime of football. And he's still
17:33
Speaker 1: you know, every every training camp it's like Christmas. Every
17:37
Speaker 1: training camp to him is like, Okay, let's let's unwrap
17:40
Speaker 1: the presents. Look at oh, we we think we did
17:43
Speaker 1: a good job. Santa Claus was good to us, and
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Speaker 1: uh in free agency, in the draft, we think we
17:48
Speaker 1: have some good press. We have some good items. Okay,
17:51
Speaker 1: let's unwrap them. Let's see if there's assembly required or
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Speaker 1: are they a finished product or do we have to
17:56
Speaker 1: develop them and assemble them a little bit, or do
17:59
Speaker 1: we have to move him you know too well, what
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Speaker 1: are we going to do with these things? Are? Are
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Speaker 1: they just plug and play? Do we have to move
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Speaker 1: people around? We have to change the way we operate
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Speaker 1: from a philosophical standpoint or schematic standpoint. And he loves
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Speaker 1: all that stuff. He loves he loves to see the
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Speaker 1: beginning stages offseason obviously of putting it all together and
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Speaker 1: then seeing it start to unfold on the field and
18:24
Speaker 1: the evolution and development all that. He's a very intelligent man,
18:27
Speaker 1: as we know, and that that whole dynamic fascinates Mike Brown.
18:31
Speaker 1: You know, all the trying to meld all the different personalities,
18:35
Speaker 1: the different quirks, the different everything. I mean, you know,
18:37
Speaker 1: you're taking you're taking people from all walks of life
18:41
Speaker 1: in terms of their background when they grew up and
18:44
Speaker 1: putting them all under one roof and trying to make
18:46
Speaker 1: a football team out of them. One more topic, and
18:49
Speaker 1: that's Mike Daniels. On last week's podcast, I brought up
18:52
Speaker 1: the possibility of signing Demata Peco to add depth on
18:57
Speaker 1: the defensive line. They had lost Josh Tupo who opted out.
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Speaker 1: Ryan Glasgow got cut after failing the physical and when
19:03
Speaker 1: I brought up Domata. You said, well, I wouldn't completely
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Speaker 1: rule it out, but I don't think he would be
19:08
Speaker 1: at the top of their list of options. Well, you
19:11
Speaker 1: were right. They went out and got Mike Daniels, four
19:14
Speaker 1: years younger, a better player. He's been a pro bowler.
19:17
Speaker 1: He was on the top one hundred list from his
19:19
Speaker 1: peers three years in a row, sixteen, seventeen, and eighteen.
19:23
Speaker 1: To me, that really again represents a change in how
19:27
Speaker 1: the Bengals are operating. I think in the Marvin Lewis
19:30
Speaker 1: era particularly, they would have gone out and gotten Domata Peco,
19:33
Speaker 1: known quality, great guy. They love him, they know him,
19:36
Speaker 1: he knows the system. It's comfortable, he's comfortable. Instead, they
19:40
Speaker 1: go out and get the better player, the more expensive player,
19:43
Speaker 1: the younger player, and in my opinion, the guy that's
19:47
Speaker 1: going to be able to help them a heck of
19:49
Speaker 1: a lot more. I agree with all that, Dan, and
19:51
Speaker 1: I'll guarantee you that Mike Daniels wanted more than two
19:54
Speaker 1: point seven or two point eight million dollars and he
19:56
Speaker 1: wanted a longer contract, but they got it done, and
20:00
Speaker 1: I think he he is the aj green of the defense.
20:04
Speaker 1: Two Pro Bowls seventeen and eighteen injured nineteen You know
20:09
Speaker 1: you injured part of eighteen injured nineteen year and a
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Speaker 1: half he's lost due to injury. Aj Green year and
20:15
Speaker 1: a half lost due to injury. Pro Bowl high caliber,
20:18
Speaker 1: Top one hundred player who has missed a year and
20:22
Speaker 1: a half. A one year show me contract. One on offense,
20:26
Speaker 1: one on defense. You know one skill player you know
20:30
Speaker 1: at the receiver position, one of the best in league.
20:32
Speaker 1: The other one in the trenches. You know a black
20:36
Speaker 1: and blue guy. You know, it's just gonna you know,
20:39
Speaker 1: Malia he Dan watching tape of this guy when he
20:42
Speaker 1: was at his best. He inverts an offensive line penetration disruption.
20:47
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, man, he was. He's a load. He
20:50
Speaker 1: and Geno Atkins. You know, he talked about it on
20:54
Speaker 1: his on his zoom conference called that he and Gino
20:57
Speaker 1: have kind of texted and fantasized about playing together for
21:01
Speaker 1: a while. Now Here it is. Here it is, and man,
21:05
Speaker 1: you throw Daniel in it as well. Gosh, man, I'm
21:09
Speaker 1: telling you that's name me another defensive tackle. Three man
21:14
Speaker 1: defensive tackle rotation. There are other good ones in the league,
21:17
Speaker 1: but man, Bengals got nothing to be embarrassed about. Rolling
21:20
Speaker 1: those three beasts out there. Okase you missed it. Lapp
21:23
Speaker 1: and I did a live training camp report with practice
21:26
Speaker 1: video on Thursday, and we'll be doing two a week
21:29
Speaker 1: for the rest of training camp. Our next live report
21:32
Speaker 1: will be on Tuesday afternoon, which will be the first
21:35
Speaker 1: day that the team is in full pads. Ah yes,
21:39
Speaker 1: real football. You can watch those reports on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube,
21:44
Speaker 1: and all of the Bengals platforms. Before we get to
21:47
Speaker 1: our next conversation, here's a quick reminder that you can
21:50
Speaker 1: take your Bengals pride to the next level in twenty
21:52
Speaker 1: twenty with an official Bengals fan package from Prime Sport. Unfortunately,
21:58
Speaker 1: even though there's been no significant in contacted training camp
22:01
Speaker 1: so far, the Bengals already have a significant setback as
22:05
Speaker 1: cornerback Trey Waynes suffered a pectoral injury that reportedly happened
22:10
Speaker 1: while he was lifting weights. The free agent, who signed
22:13
Speaker 1: a three year, forty two million dollar deal in the offseason,
22:16
Speaker 1: could miss a couple of months. One of the players
22:20
Speaker 1: who will try to fill the void is Winston Rose,
22:23
Speaker 1: who signed a two year deal with the Bengals in
22:25
Speaker 1: late December after spending the last three seasons in the
22:29
Speaker 1: Canadian Football League. Rose led the CFL with nine interceptions
22:34
Speaker 1: last year and had five the year before. Here's Bengals
22:37
Speaker 1: head coach Zach Taylor. Fourteen picks is fourteen picks, no
22:40
Speaker 1: amount of what league you're playing, and that's exciting. And
22:43
Speaker 1: when we worked him out, he had great twitch, great explosiveness,
22:46
Speaker 1: had a good knack for the ball in really good hands,
22:48
Speaker 1: and so now we'll get a chance to see him
22:50
Speaker 1: really full speed playing the NFL this training camp. Rose
22:53
Speaker 1: is six feet tall, one hundred eighty pounds and wearing
22:56
Speaker 1: the number thirty nine at training camp. I spoke to
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Speaker 1: the twenty six year old defensive back this week Wednesday.
23:03
Speaker 1: You signed with the Bengals on New Year's Eve after
23:05
Speaker 1: a tremendous season in the Canadian Football League. What opportunities
23:10
Speaker 1: did you have in the NFL before ultimately choosing Cincinnati.
23:14
Speaker 1: I wasn't talked with the Philadelphia Eagles, and I had
23:16
Speaker 1: to a workout with the San Diego Chargers. So those
23:20
Speaker 1: those teams and why did you decide to go with Cincinnati.
23:24
Speaker 1: I just felt comfortable with the coaches and with the
23:26
Speaker 1: skin and from the workout talking to coach Luke, it
23:30
Speaker 1: is just in light um after the workouts. You know, Um,
23:36
Speaker 1: I talked to coach Luke, like I said, it's just
23:39
Speaker 1: just just going over what Cincinnati did the year before.
23:43
Speaker 1: Just you know the success they head towards the end
23:45
Speaker 1: of the season is this. I was just I was
23:48
Speaker 1: just ready for the rebuild to be part of the rebuilding.
23:51
Speaker 1: Did it make for a nice New Year's celebration signing
23:54
Speaker 1: with an NFL team on New Year's Eve? Yeah? Yeah,
23:57
Speaker 1: it definitely did. To silence person to twenty um in
24:03
Speaker 1: the NFL. UM it was it was a dream come true.
24:06
Speaker 1: Man Um, Everything I worked, you know saying worked hard
24:09
Speaker 1: for and it worked towards. So to sign it just
24:13
Speaker 1: it was like the chairy on top. We're visiting the Bengals.
24:15
Speaker 1: Cornerback Winston Rose. You led the CFL with nine interceptions
24:20
Speaker 1: last year. You had another one in the postseason. Did
24:23
Speaker 1: you do anything differently or were you used any differently
24:27
Speaker 1: that helped you get your hands on so many passes
24:29
Speaker 1: last year? Ultimately, I'll just give credit to my coaches
24:33
Speaker 1: and my teammates Land. My coaches called the right play
24:36
Speaker 1: and you know, my teammates just playing playing a party.
24:40
Speaker 1: As far as like the d line, the front seven,
24:42
Speaker 1: linebackers and even a safety communicate to me, Um, I'll
24:47
Speaker 1: give on the success to them. Um. I feel like
24:50
Speaker 1: the rush play a key party with the dbs and coverages.
24:53
Speaker 1: So if you get impressure, the quarterback is going to
24:57
Speaker 1: throw it up because you know what I'm saying. You
24:59
Speaker 1: know you don't to take a sex so he might
25:01
Speaker 1: just give that fifty fifty block to one of his
25:03
Speaker 1: receives that he feels comfortable with. So just having that
25:07
Speaker 1: pressure with my d line and linebackers, uh, clearing on
25:10
Speaker 1: the quarterback to make my job easier. Wedinston. For people
25:14
Speaker 1: who have never watched the CFL game, it's different. You've
25:18
Speaker 1: got twelve players on each side, the field is bigger,
25:21
Speaker 1: the wide receivers can get a running start before the
25:24
Speaker 1: ball is snapped. How is playing quarterback different in the
25:28
Speaker 1: CFLs from the NFL, I, like always tell people, is
25:32
Speaker 1: really the intensive to details, the techniques, techniques and just
25:37
Speaker 1: a little the little things that I will show up
25:40
Speaker 1: on game day. Um, I definite lot of people. Uh no, no,
25:45
Speaker 1: m you have to give every receiver a yard off
25:48
Speaker 1: the ball room. So you know how like we pressed,
25:52
Speaker 1: you could be all in a receiver face in the
25:54
Speaker 1: NFL and the candidate thing in ANCFL, No, you gotta
25:57
Speaker 1: get you got to get to play a yard off.
25:59
Speaker 1: And then on top of that, at M I feel
26:01
Speaker 1: like the offense being advantage because the receivers have that
26:05
Speaker 1: head start. So say you're saying, you're a player that's
26:08
Speaker 1: on the line and you're pressing and you got a
26:10
Speaker 1: player that's coming at you full speed running start, that
26:13
Speaker 1: get kind of like, you know, scary at some point.
26:17
Speaker 1: But once she once she just learned the techniques and
26:20
Speaker 1: you know, the detail in the game, everything, everything just
26:24
Speaker 1: slowed down for you. Do you think that style of
26:27
Speaker 1: play made you better? Does it help a cornerback in
26:30
Speaker 1: particular to have to deal with all of those difficult
26:33
Speaker 1: challenges in the CFL? I definitely, I definitely can say
26:37
Speaker 1: being in the CFL definitely was what I needed. Um,
26:42
Speaker 1: what I'm saying is it definitely like makes you keen
26:46
Speaker 1: to your technique, keen to the little petition to details
26:49
Speaker 1: and really just um playing the call with them, playing
26:53
Speaker 1: the call within the system. You don't want to get
26:55
Speaker 1: your own thing. And then next you know, you give
26:57
Speaker 1: a pro touchdown And in the CFL that's that's a
27:01
Speaker 1: momentum switcher. But that's a that's that's a sports and
27:04
Speaker 1: you know it's a momentum switcher. So you definitely, um,
27:08
Speaker 1: don't want to be on the spotlight, but at the
27:10
Speaker 1: same time, you feel like you feel like if you don't,
27:13
Speaker 1: you know, can't block in and pay attention, and you're
27:19
Speaker 1: definitely gonna be on the spotlights. We're visiting with Winston Rose.
27:23
Speaker 1: You've been in NFL training camps before, with the Rams
27:26
Speaker 1: and the Colts. What stands out from your previous experiences
27:30
Speaker 1: and does it feel different this time? I feel like
27:34
Speaker 1: the difference from my first UM training camp is I
27:38
Speaker 1: was a rookie, I was specially out of college and
27:41
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't have no experience under my belt,
27:43
Speaker 1: and being through I would say like for a training
27:47
Speaker 1: camp so far, Um, they definitely give me that experience
27:51
Speaker 1: to you know, not every night, not every day it's
27:54
Speaker 1: perfect and you can't make every play perfect, but what
27:56
Speaker 1: you can do is control what you can control, just
28:00
Speaker 1: give up and to give maximum efforts. So UM, that's
28:04
Speaker 1: that's that's That's where I'm just um going into the
28:07
Speaker 1: training camp is I know, I know it's not a sprint.
28:10
Speaker 1: Its a marathon. So I can't just think I'm gonna
28:13
Speaker 1: get everything. I'm gonna know everything all in one day
28:16
Speaker 1: to take time, and you definitely got to wrap it
28:18
Speaker 1: out too. So I'm controlling what I can control and
28:21
Speaker 1: doing my part. And as far as like whatever the
28:24
Speaker 1: coaches want me to do, I wanted to do it.
28:26
Speaker 1: So do what the bankers were Winston. When you signed
28:30
Speaker 1: in December, you were at Paul Brown Stadium and you
28:34
Speaker 1: expected to be back in April for OTAs. Where did
28:37
Speaker 1: you wind up spending the off season and what did
28:40
Speaker 1: you do to prepare in a pandemic situation? UM? I was.
28:45
Speaker 1: I was back at home in Los Angeles, Phenerma City area.
28:49
Speaker 1: UM and what I did was, I just went back
28:51
Speaker 1: to the basic. UM. As far as like training or
28:55
Speaker 1: like conditioning, I was training with my high school coach
28:58
Speaker 1: from Saint Jenner in high school much high school track
29:02
Speaker 1: coach doing doing cardio work with him. And also UM
29:07
Speaker 1: as far as lifting, I would I would lift. I
29:11
Speaker 1: have one of my one of my cousin's friends, garage Jim.
29:15
Speaker 1: He had like you know, squire, rag bench and pretty
29:18
Speaker 1: much everything I needed to to sustain my strength. So
29:22
Speaker 1: um yeah, I just I just made sure that that
29:26
Speaker 1: every day I may count I didn't take one, I
29:29
Speaker 1: take a day off. Um and just and just and
29:32
Speaker 1: just kept that rhythm. Um I would well, actually I
29:35
Speaker 1: would actually wake up early in the morning, like start
29:37
Speaker 1: my day in like around five thirty and that specific time,
29:40
Speaker 1: so just I can train myself to get ready for
29:43
Speaker 1: when I come over to Ohio that I know it's
29:46
Speaker 1: three hours different. So then when it's time to wake
29:49
Speaker 1: up any morny, I won't be too drag because I'm
29:51
Speaker 1: already used to waken up early and California. So it
29:55
Speaker 1: was just it was just little things like that that
29:57
Speaker 1: I kept in my program. Good thinking of the body clock.
30:01
Speaker 1: And it sounds like that was kind of old school
30:04
Speaker 1: going to a friend's house who had weights in his garage,
30:08
Speaker 1: right right, right, yeah, yeah, exactly what I said, right
30:11
Speaker 1: back to the basics, like you don't need you know,
30:14
Speaker 1: that big gym to get working. You can still get
30:17
Speaker 1: working with some gunbills, a squad, wreck, a bar and
30:21
Speaker 1: you know, there's little things like that. We're visiting with
30:24
Speaker 1: Winston Rose. Unfortunately, the first serious injury of training camp
30:29
Speaker 1: was to somebody in your position group. Trey Waynes. It
30:31
Speaker 1: looks like he's likely to be out for a couple
30:33
Speaker 1: of months. I know you feel badly for him, but
30:37
Speaker 1: do you look at it like a starting job is
30:40
Speaker 1: now up for grabs. To be honest, I have no
30:42
Speaker 1: idea what's going on, so I can't speak on that.
30:46
Speaker 1: All our numbers that I'm trying to get better, to
30:49
Speaker 1: do whatever it takes to help the team win and
30:52
Speaker 1: con sure what I can control. Let's talk a little
30:55
Speaker 1: bit about last year you won the Gray Cup, Canada's
30:58
Speaker 1: super Bowl with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers. Described that experience
31:03
Speaker 1: being professional to win the championships like everything you put
31:07
Speaker 1: put the work in with your teammates, even off season,
31:10
Speaker 1: that you put in to ultimately reach that goal. So um,
31:15
Speaker 1: it was. It was definitely a movie with Winnipeg Blue Bombers.
31:19
Speaker 1: Our season was it started off hot five and five
31:24
Speaker 1: and then we went through our adversity upper down. But
31:26
Speaker 1: I feel like those diversities that we went through it
31:29
Speaker 1: in the season prepared us for playoffs and compared to
31:33
Speaker 1: be the champions because we knew, we knew how to
31:37
Speaker 1: come back from behind, we knew how to you know,
31:40
Speaker 1: university strikes in the game, not to quit. Um to
31:44
Speaker 1: lean on, lean on to our brothers and play for
31:47
Speaker 1: each other. So ultimately, yeah, Winnipeg, Winnipeg Seaton last year
31:52
Speaker 1: was a movie. And I'm blessed. I'm grateful, grateful for
31:56
Speaker 1: the Winnipeg organization to bring me in after one year. Year. Um, um,
32:03
Speaker 1: blessed to have to be part of that group. To
32:07
Speaker 1: you know what, I think it was twenty six years
32:09
Speaker 1: or twenty nine years since the last championship championship went
32:13
Speaker 1: through that city. So to be part of that that's historical,
32:17
Speaker 1: um and multiple. Ultimately, Man, for the fans of Winnipeg,
32:21
Speaker 1: I feel like they deserted to as well. Um, the city,
32:26
Speaker 1: the city itself is uh, it's it's it's birth taking
32:30
Speaker 1: in because it's it's like the fans and the people
32:34
Speaker 1: they just so genuine. That's and that's just in general
32:37
Speaker 1: in Canada that I had got being over there, that
32:40
Speaker 1: the people in Canada is so genuine and so sincere.
32:44
Speaker 1: So um, yeah, man, it was. It was. It was
32:47
Speaker 1: a movie, man, a movie that definitely that definitely get
32:51
Speaker 1: an Oscar. You must have been very popular in Winnipeg
32:57
Speaker 1: to be there for a year, to lead the fl
33:00
Speaker 1: and interceptions and be part of a team that won
33:02
Speaker 1: the Great Cup. You must be quite a celebra in Winnipeg.
33:07
Speaker 1: I wouldn't say. I wouldn't say a celebrity, But I'm
33:11
Speaker 1: just Winston man. I'm just Western road man from Los Angeles,
33:15
Speaker 1: just doing my part, uh, you know, keeping God first
33:18
Speaker 1: and everything I do and just just being mean. And
33:21
Speaker 1: I feel like, ultimately, um, that's what Winnipeg. Uh, let
33:26
Speaker 1: me let me do then let me be myself. They didn't. Um,
33:30
Speaker 1: you know, like I said, I played it. I played
33:32
Speaker 1: a game within a system, but ultimately it was just
33:35
Speaker 1: just go out there and do what you do and
33:38
Speaker 1: the rest was The rest was history. And I feel
33:41
Speaker 1: like every every every player to say that, Um, and
33:45
Speaker 1: we ultimately, we ultimately did it. Man. We ultimately reached
33:47
Speaker 1: that goal that couldn't we couldn't be reached for a
33:50
Speaker 1: long time. So so to be part of that, it's
33:53
Speaker 1: it's it's a further grateful forever grateful. I'm thankful as
33:56
Speaker 1: well too, Winston. Just to wrap things up, describe how
34:00
Speaker 1: you're feeling now that you're here. You're in the early
34:02
Speaker 1: stages of training camp, trying to be a part of
34:06
Speaker 1: this franchise. Going forward. I'm just grateful and grateful every
34:09
Speaker 1: day to get this opportunity to go out there and
34:13
Speaker 1: you know, just putting down in the football flum. So
34:16
Speaker 1: I'm just taking each day one day at a time,
34:18
Speaker 1: um and lemonade mistakes, keen in details, you know, practicing
34:23
Speaker 1: like a champion and just coming in and trying trying
34:27
Speaker 1: to do my part. Just whatever the caause, like I said,
34:30
Speaker 1: whatever the coaches need me to do, I wanted to do. So.
34:33
Speaker 1: I just want to bring that energy to the team
34:35
Speaker 1: and just show the other coaches and show everybody that
34:39
Speaker 1: I'm a team player. I'm just here to you know, serve.
34:42
Speaker 1: We're excited to see you do your thing. Have a
34:44
Speaker 1: great camp, stay safe, and I appreciate the time. Thanks Winston, Hello,
34:49
Speaker 1: thank you. Either way, the quarterback of that Great Cup
34:54
Speaker 1: championship team in Winnipeg last year was former University of
34:57
Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bearcat Zach coll Mars. That's going to do it
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