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Steve Price | April 25 · Steve Price

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  Speaker 1: Live. This is Steve Price.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Sanzac Day edition of the program on
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  Speaker 2: this most sacred of days on the Australian Canada.
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  Speaker 1: Steve Price with you.
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  Speaker 2: And as we see each year, ordinary Australians turned out
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  Speaker 2: in huge numbers again on this one hundred and tenth
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  Speaker 2: anniversary of the landing at Gallipoli. Now, I was lucky
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  Speaker 2: enough to visit that most special of places in Turkey
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  Speaker 2: back in twenty eighteen, and it's not until you see
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  Speaker 2: what those brave men were faced with that you truly
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  Speaker 2: understand how this legend was born. Coming up on the
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  Speaker 2: program tonight, Anzac Legend Matt McLaughlin. He is a military
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  Speaker 2: historian and battlefield tourist.
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  Speaker 1: Founder on what.
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  Speaker 2: Is like to visit that sacred site. I plus, I
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  Speaker 2: want to talk to Matt about the legend that is
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  Speaker 2: Sir Edward Weary Dunlop and his place in Australian military history.
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  Speaker 2: Also tonight, sensibly, both political leaders today Anthony Albanezi and
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton put their election fight on hold. That happened
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  Speaker 2: this morning. They got back into it this afternoon. As
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  Speaker 2: we approach what I think is now just one week
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  Speaker 2: to go into a Polling day kicks in tomorrow and
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  Speaker 2: we have reporters out with both leaders coming up or
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  Speaker 2: talk to them both. I don't know where they are,
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  Speaker 2: but we'll track them down and I'll give you my
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  Speaker 2: view on those shocking dawn service disruptions that occurred at
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  Speaker 2: the Shrine of Remembrance in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 1: Just outrageous.
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  Speaker 2: But first, yes, there has been a pause in hostilities
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  Speaker 2: today by the major parties a week out from election day,
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  Speaker 2: but from tomorrow it will be back on for young
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  Speaker 2: and old. I presume the election, if you believe the
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  Speaker 2: polls is done and dusted, would labor staring at a
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  Speaker 2: second term, avoiding the embarrassment of being the first government
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  Speaker 2: to serve just one term since way back in the
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  Speaker 2: nineteen thirties. Elections in Australia, though, they have a way
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  Speaker 2: of tossing up results that no one expects. Now you
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  Speaker 2: don't have to go back very far. Bill Shorten was
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  Speaker 2: supposed to be a red hot favorite in twenty nineteen.
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  Speaker 2: He went into that election needing to win just seven seats.
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  Speaker 2: Scott Morrison had been painted as having a problem with women,
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  Speaker 2: which he clearly did not come election day, It turns
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  Speaker 2: out the coalition won three seats, Labor lost one and
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  Speaker 2: that gave Morrison seventy seven and victory and Bill Short
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  Speaker 2: lost the leadership and that's now why we have Anthony Albanezi.
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  Speaker 2: Now I'm not suggesting for a moment that that will
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  Speaker 2: happen this time. The Coalition campaign has been, at best,
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  Speaker 2: in my view, shambolic, at worst just a train wreck. However,
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  Speaker 2: what the polls don't pick up I don't think is
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  Speaker 2: the level of despair over cost of living in the
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  Speaker 2: outer suburbs of Australia. Complicating the path to a win
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  Speaker 2: for the opposition though, is the drift by voters to
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  Speaker 2: independent candidates and the inability of anyone to argue for
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  Speaker 2: truth in advertising during election campaigns. This drives me mad.
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  Speaker 2: How is it that you can get fined and publicly
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  Speaker 2: shamed if you advertise a product, any product, anything from
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  Speaker 2: an airfare to a furniture sale, and you say, make
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  Speaker 2: claims that are not true, and you can, and you know,
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  Speaker 2: in a bid to get elected, just make.
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  Speaker 1: Up stuff, make it up.
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  Speaker 2: The biggest misrepresentation is probably the well drobed Labor candidates,
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  Speaker 2: everyone from the Prime Minister down saying well Peter Dutton's
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  Speaker 2: nuclear plan is going to cost six hundred billion dollars.
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  Speaker 2: Now that's a figure plucked from analysis by a labor
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  Speaker 2: friendly outfit called the Smart Energy Council. Even they say
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  Speaker 2: the cost would be somewhere between one hundred and sixteen
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  Speaker 2: billion and six hundred billion. So what a labor and
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  Speaker 2: the Prime Minister to do? They just take the higher figure,
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  Speaker 2: say it over and over again. It's dirty, but it's
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  Speaker 2: smart politics, technically absurd. But voters hear the number and
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  Speaker 2: they say, well, that's a lot of money. Let's stick
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  Speaker 2: with the sun and wind power. We can't spend six
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  Speaker 2: hundred billion dollars. What the opposition has failed to do,
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  Speaker 2: I think is prosecute an argument that labors renewal only
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  Speaker 2: planned would also be eye bleedingly expensive and unreliable.
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  Speaker 1: They haven't put a figure on that yet.
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  Speaker 2: You also have to, as the opposition, why have they
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  Speaker 2: hidden people? You've got to ask Peter Dutton this, why
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  Speaker 2: have they hidden people like ted O Bryan. I think
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  Speaker 2: he prosecutes this case very well. And on the wider
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  Speaker 2: question of popular figures, why has Senator just sent a
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  Speaker 2: Nampership of price been so invisible up until last week?
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  Speaker 2: Now on advertising we have again seen Clide Palmer spraying
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  Speaker 2: money around like confetti and newspapers and on Free to
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  Speaker 2: Are TV making wild claims like labor and the Coalition
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  Speaker 2: policies are ninety nine percent the same.
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  Speaker 1: Well, clearly they are not.
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  Speaker 2: But why not just make stuff up like everyone else does.
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  Speaker 2: The independence, especially some of the teals are just as bad.
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  Speaker 2: Now I have an independent teal standing in my seat.
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  Speaker 2: For example, his name is Ben Smith. Now he might
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  Speaker 2: be a nice bloke and his well meaning I presume
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  Speaker 2: and actually know. But what I do know is he
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  Speaker 2: is extremely well funded for someone whose job is running
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  Speaker 2: a local community support center. The electorate is plastered with
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  Speaker 2: Ben Smith posters. My letterbox is stuffed with Ben Smith flyers.
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  Speaker 2: His face is everywhere. That's okay, it's called democracy. But
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  Speaker 2: Ben is funded by Climate two hundred, by his own
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  Speaker 2: admission by Simon Holmes a court. So much for being independent,
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  Speaker 2: and some of the claims this blot makes on those
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  Speaker 2: flyers really seriously are having a lend of people. He says,
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  Speaker 2: for example, he can quote secure our fair share of
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  Speaker 2: federal funding. Well, Ben, that's not how it works. If
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  Speaker 2: labor wins in their own right and you win. Flinders
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  Speaker 2: you have no seat at the table and no voice
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  Speaker 2: about any funding at all. He also says if he
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  Speaker 2: beats Zoey Mackenzie, the Liberal City member who is a
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  Speaker 2: I think future cabinet minister, he.
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  Speaker 1: Will hold Woolworths and Cole's accountable for lower prices.
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  Speaker 2: Well, Ben, you can't actually do anything to the supermarkets
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  Speaker 2: except put words on a flyer. And he says he
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  Speaker 2: will also get eighty five million dollars for the local hospital.
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  Speaker 1: Again, no he can't.
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  Speaker 2: Now, you'd hope most people are smart enough to ignore
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  Speaker 2: these crazy, wild claims and that most people can see
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  Speaker 2: the tials in other seats have done virtually nothing for
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  Speaker 2: their communities since being elected. But this sadly is where
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  Speaker 2: we are headed to a Parliament with a crowded cross
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  Speaker 2: bench of people warming seats. Let's get into the politics.
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  Speaker 2: Joining me now, Senior political reporter Truty Macintosh. She must
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  Speaker 2: be exhausted by now. She's been with the Prime Minister today, truly,
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  Speaker 2: where have you been today?
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  Speaker 3: Well, we were here in Melbourne. I'm glad you put
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  Speaker 3: on the weather for me. A bit of a.
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  Speaker 4: Grahand rainy day. Quite the contrast to where it started
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  Speaker 4: for Anthony Albanezy. This morning, he attended the dawn service
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  Speaker 4: at the Australian War Memorial in Canberra, had been pre
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  Speaker 4: flagged earlier in the campaign, the Prime Minister saying that
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  Speaker 4: this would be the fitting venue for him during the
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  Speaker 4: election campaign to go to the nation's capital alongside more
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  Speaker 4: than twenty thousand people who were there at the.
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  Speaker 3: Dawn service this morning.
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  Speaker 4: He then stayed in Canberra to mid afternoon, where he
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  Speaker 4: delivered that statement in the Prime Ministerial courtwide, condemning what
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  Speaker 4: we saw here in Melbourne at the Shrine of Remembrance
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  Speaker 4: where that man he turns out to be a farwer
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  Speaker 4: at extremist, shouted out during the welcome to country at
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  Speaker 4: the ceremony here Anthony Abernezi though making his way now
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  Speaker 4: here to Melbourne. We are in the final push to
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  Speaker 4: this election campaign. I can't believe we're already starting to
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  Speaker 4: say that one week to go until polling day. There's
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  Speaker 4: been a real weird sense of lacking momentum in and
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  Speaker 4: out because of Easter long weekend, Anzac Day and also
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  Speaker 4: the sudden death of Pope Francis. So a very different
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  Speaker 4: last week on the campaign to what we're going to
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  Speaker 4: expect in the coming seven days.
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  Speaker 2: Everyone's saying that the Prime Minister and the government have
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  Speaker 2: got the nose in front. Poles are saying that the
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  Speaker 2: bookies are saying that that's where the money's going. Truly,
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  Speaker 2: have you noticed in the times that you've been with
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  Speaker 2: him that he's become more confident and that he feels
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  Speaker 2: like he might have this in the bag or is
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  Speaker 2: he trying to play that down.
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  Speaker 4: Well, he does seem confident when you speak to him
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  Speaker 4: privately and also publicly in his engagements during this election campaign.
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  Speaker 4: I have been with the Dutton team for the last
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  Speaker 4: week or so swapping back now without the the Albanesi,
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  Speaker 4: but he said it publicly. Doesn't want to be complacent.
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  Speaker 4: He does not want to rerun of that expectation that
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  Speaker 4: was there for Bill Shorten only for him not to win.
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  Speaker 4: On the night, Bill Shorton pulled up stumps, remember before
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  Speaker 4: election day, essentially believing he had it so much in
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  Speaker 4: the bag that he didn't need to campaign. That is
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  Speaker 4: going to be a concern amongst you know, jitterary labor
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  Speaker 4: types that they remember what happened in the past to
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  Speaker 4: not let that happen this time around. But as you say,
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  Speaker 4: Labor in the box seat given all of the published
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  Speaker 4: polling that was seeing.
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  Speaker 2: And Victoria is an interesting place to be because there
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  Speaker 2: are a number of seats up for grab here, not
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  Speaker 2: just potentially with the Teals losing maybe Kuyong and Goldstein,
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  Speaker 2: but there are outer suburban seats, some of them held
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  Speaker 2: by Labor, that are really.
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  Speaker 1: Up for grabs.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the reason the PM is tonight in Melbourne.
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  Speaker 2: Does he have a particular focus on what he's going
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  Speaker 2: to do in Victoria tonight and tomorrow.
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  Speaker 4: Well, unlike in previous campaigns, as you know, Steve, that
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  Speaker 4: Victoria this time around is so much in play because
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  Speaker 4: of the seats that Labor is fearing that it will
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  Speaker 4: lose in and around suburban Melbourne. But if you remember
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  Speaker 4: that tracking poll we saw last weekend in the Herald Sun,
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  Speaker 4: it did show that the Coalition was failing to actually capitalize.
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  Speaker 3: The only seat it looked like it was.
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  Speaker 4: On track to flip was that seat of Aston, one
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  Speaker 4: that it probably shouldn't have lost at the.
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  Speaker 3: By election anyway earlier in this term of parliament.
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  Speaker 4: But Victoria is a crucial battleground at this federal election.
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  Speaker 4: The PM is going to continue to crisscross the map.
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  Speaker 4: We're expecting to be back in Sydney soon enough, though,
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  Speaker 4: given that fourth and final debate will be held on
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  Speaker 4: Sunday night.
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  Speaker 1: There.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Trudy, are you doing in a magnificent job? Get
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  Speaker 2: out of the rain and promise you to be sunny
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  Speaker 2: here tomorrow. Now let's go to political reporter Ruben Spargo.
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  Speaker 2: He's in Queensland, much better than being in Melbourne with
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  Speaker 2: Peter Dutton. He started Anzac Day in his local electorate. Reuben,
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  Speaker 2: do you know where we're off to.
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  Speaker 1: Next, Steve?
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  Speaker 5: I hate to rub it in in front of Trudy,
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  Speaker 5: but we're in beautiful cans and it's nice and balmy
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  Speaker 5: and warm holes.
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  Speaker 1: I want to take this jacket off.
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  Speaker 5: It's getting a little steamer here. But as you mentioned,
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  Speaker 5: Peter Dutton began Anzac Day in his only electorate of Dixon.
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  Speaker 5: He attended a dawn service where he lay a wreath
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  Speaker 5: of rememberance. Shortly after, he drove up the road where
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  Speaker 5: he attended an ANZAC ceremony. Once the morning's formalities ended,
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  Speaker 5: Peter Dutton hopped on a plane and headed to Townsville. This
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  Speaker 5: is where he went to the Townsville RSL Club he
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  Speaker 5: was pouring beers, he was joining in in a game
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  Speaker 5: of two up. You lost him in the crowds, Steve.
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  Speaker 5: The noise was really something to.
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  Speaker 1: Catch your attention.
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  Speaker 5: And this is the sort of thing that makes media
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  Speaker 5: advisors nervous. I managed to speak to Peter Dutton shortly
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  Speaker 5: after he played that game of too up. Mister Dutton,
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  Speaker 5: we saw you out there before.
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  Speaker 1: What does a beer in a game of two up
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  Speaker 1: mean to you? On Anzac Day? It's what all these
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  Speaker 1: diggers are about. And the reception here today has been unbelievable.
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  Speaker 5: And just talking to people who have given everything for
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  Speaker 5: their country or it's a great ornor to be amongst them.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. What are you up to now? Mate? I
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  Speaker 1: think we're off to Cans.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's at the Plan So I'd love to
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  Speaker 5: settle in here with him, and I've got to catch
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  Speaker 5: a plane.
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  Speaker 2: Reub And I hear that he refused to do a
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  Speaker 2: shoe and the room turned on him.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, Steve.
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  Speaker 5: For those who don't know what a shoe he is,
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  Speaker 5: it's where you pour your beer into a shoe and
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  Speaker 5: you knock it back. Peter Dutton didn't succumb to that pressure.
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  Speaker 5: He may have won a few votes in that room,
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  Speaker 5: but did not succumb to that pressure.
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  Speaker 1: It would have been quite the site. Coalition think they
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  Speaker 1: can win that seat around Kent.
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  Speaker 5: Oh, they're certainly hoping, so they'd be optimistic they were
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  Speaker 5: going to come all this way up north and not
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  Speaker 5: visit Cans.
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  Speaker 1: I don't think.
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  Speaker 6: So.
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  Speaker 5: It'll be interesting to see what we do tomorrow. I
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  Speaker 5: think we're up to potentially our fourteenth fuel station visit,
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  Speaker 5: so we might hit one of those, might do something
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  Speaker 5: a little different.
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  Speaker 1: We'll wait and see.
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  Speaker 5: But they're certainly vye for this seat.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, Reuben, you've got the better end of the stick,
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  Speaker 2: I think over poor old Trudy.
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  Speaker 1: Good on you mate.
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  Speaker 2: Enjoy Cans and we'll talk to you during the week
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  Speaker 2: on the campaign trail.
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  Speaker 1: Now, as I mentioned, I.
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  Speaker 2: Was lucky enough to visit the Gallipoli Anzac Cove back
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  Speaker 2: at the end of twenty eighteen.
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  Speaker 1: Indeed, I was on.
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  Speaker 2: The beach at Anzac Cove on New Year's Eve twenty
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  Speaker 2: eighteen with the too Accompany Battlefield two. It was emotionally
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  Speaker 2: inspiring to actually go there, to be there and to
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  Speaker 2: see what an impossible task the ANZACs faced as they
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  Speaker 2: engaged the Turks one hundred and ten years ago on
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  Speaker 2: April of twenty fifth. Joining me the Sanzac Day is
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  Speaker 2: Matt McLaughlin from Battlefield Tours and himself an author of
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  Speaker 2: many magnificent books on military history.
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  Speaker 1: Good to see you.
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  Speaker 2: Again, Matt, Thanks for giving us some time one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and ten.
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  Speaker 1: Years ago today.
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  Speaker 2: Tell me what those ANZAC troops, the Australian and Kiwi troops,
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  Speaker 2: what would they have been thinking as the sun came
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  Speaker 2: up on this day one hundred and ten years ago.
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  Speaker 7: Well, Steve, obviously a major day in their young lives,
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  Speaker 7: and they've been training for this, not for a particularly
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  Speaker 7: long length of time, but certainly for several months. And
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  Speaker 7: I can imagine they didn't quite understand the politics of
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  Speaker 7: why they were there facing the Ottoman Empire, but they
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  Speaker 7: certainly understood what they had to do, and from the
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  Speaker 7: earliest days there was a real feeling that they were
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  Speaker 7: there representing Australia in this first big action of the
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  Speaker 7: world or for our young dominions. So it was a
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  Speaker 7: very special moment.
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  Speaker 1: Obviously, fear would.
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  Speaker 7: Have been pretty top of their mind as well, but
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  Speaker 7: from reading accounts and from hearing interviews with veterans, they
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  Speaker 7: knew what their beauty was and they were ready to
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  Speaker 7: do it.
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  Speaker 2: Sadly, Matt, as we know, the British landed them at
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  Speaker 2: the wrong place.
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  Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's a little bit controversial. It was the
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  Speaker 7: plans for landing were a little bit loose and so
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  Speaker 7: they landed in roughly the right area. But the issue
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  Speaker 7: was that they landed a big bunch rather than being
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  Speaker 7: spread out across a wide front. That actually had some
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  Speaker 7: advantages though it meant that when they came ashore, they
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  Speaker 7: hit probably the only undefended strip of coastline at Gallipoli,
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  Speaker 7: and so they're only faced by about one hundred and
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  Speaker 7: sixty Turks. So the first wave actually got ashore very
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  Speaker 7: easily and pushed in land very quickly. But it was
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  Speaker 7: then that the Turkish reinforcements arrived and started to close in.
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  Speaker 7: So a lot of men were killed or wounded on
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  Speaker 7: that first Anzac day. But it didn't occur on the beach.
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  Speaker 7: It occurred in the hills overlooking a hanzack.
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  Speaker 2: Coat talking about the hills. You know, they were there
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  Speaker 2: for eight months. I went with the guide to the
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  Speaker 2: scene of loan Pine. Explain how brutal at battle was.
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  Speaker 7: Well, if you can understand how badly deliberately had gone wrong.
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  Speaker 7: On that first day, the ANZACs were supposed to cut
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  Speaker 7: the poticular in half and advance very very quickly, but
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  Speaker 7: instead they found themselves hemmed in only a kilometer or
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  Speaker 7: so from the beach, and so for the rest of
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  Speaker 7: the campaign they really were playing catch up, trying to
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  Speaker 7: just rest this really important ground from the Turkish defenders.
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  Speaker 7: And one of those key places was a plateau on
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  Speaker 7: which loan Pine sits, and loan Pine really was a
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  Speaker 7: diversionary attack for other attacks that were taking place fur
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  Speaker 7: the north, but it turned into an absolutely horrific blood bath,
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  Speaker 7: and for the best part of the week the ANZACs
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  Speaker 7: slogged away in the Turkish trenches. They managed to capture
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  Speaker 7: those trenches, but an absolutely huge loss, and loan Pine
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  Speaker 7: goes down as one of the most appalling chapters of
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  Speaker 7: the Gallipoli campaign. And even though they were successful in
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  Speaker 7: taking those treaches and incorporating them into the Anzac line,
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  Speaker 7: it was never going to make a difference in the
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  Speaker 7: big picture of the campaign, and so a lot of
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  Speaker 7: lives lost at loan Pine for very limited game.
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  Speaker 2: Matt Today's about what Australians have done in all theaters
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  Speaker 2: of war. There was great coverage today in the Australian
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  Speaker 2: newspaper and someone that I have huge regard for, Sir
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  Speaker 2: Edward Weary Dunlop, who did amazing things in World War
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  Speaker 2: Two as a Japanese prisoner of war. His granddaughter Diana Dunlop,
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  Speaker 2: who now lives in London. His medals were in a
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  Speaker 2: safe at her house two years ago and they were stolen.
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  Speaker 2: She never got them back. She's now got a group
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  Speaker 2: of the replica medals. She was at the MCG today
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  Speaker 2: for the ANZAC clash. Tell me just briefly about what
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  Speaker 2: Weary Dunlop did in World War Two on the Burma Railway.
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  Speaker 7: What a great Australian. I think we've all got a
• 16:57
  Speaker 7: soft spot for Weary Dunlop. Just incredible strength, incredible courage
• 17:01
  Speaker 7: leading his men in those ghastly conditions on the tiber
• 17:04
  Speaker 7: m moraleway.
• 17:05
  Speaker 1: And he was a.
• 17:05
  Speaker 7: Doctor, he was an officer and he basically got a
• 17:09
  Speaker 7: lot of the men through it, and a lot of
• 17:10
  Speaker 7: men who survived that horrendous ordeal said they wouldn't have
• 17:14
  Speaker 7: been able to survive if it wasn't for Weary Dunlop
• 17:17
  Speaker 7: and I've got to say, I see that news article
• 17:19
  Speaker 7: and what sort of person steals war medals in the
• 17:22
  Speaker 7: lead up to Anzac Day? Every time I see these
• 17:24
  Speaker 7: articles all too frequently and it's absolutely shocking. But putting
• 17:28
  Speaker 7: that aside, I'm glad some replicas got made and I'm
• 17:30
  Speaker 7: glad that Weary Dunlop's family is able to remember him
• 17:33
  Speaker 7: in the way that they should on this special day. Indeed,
• 17:35
  Speaker 7: all Australians should remember Weary Dunlop amongst amongst how many
• 17:38
  Speaker 7: other heroes on Anzac Day.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I who would urge people?
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: I had a very small part, but some involvement in
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: that magnificent statue of Weary Dunlop which sits on Saint Kilda.
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: Road in Melbourne.
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: It's erected after a campaigner following his death in nineteen
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: ninety five that we ran on the radio station and
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: it's a beautiful bronze with him of the poppy in
• 17:59
  Speaker 2: his well. I just urged people to go and.
• 18:02
  Speaker 1: Have a look. Just finally.
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: Matt news Court polling last week found that of around
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: a thousand young people surveyed, less than one in four
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: members of Generation Z feel strongly connected to Anzac Day.
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: The numbers that we see at dawn services would suggest
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: that that's probably not right, wouldn't it.
• 18:22
  Speaker 7: Yeah, it wouldn't be Anzac Day, Steve, if we didn't
• 18:24
  Speaker 7: see a newspaper article baging young people interest. And then
• 18:29
  Speaker 7: you see the dawn service like we saw in the
• 18:31
  Speaker 7: ABC today and you see literally thousands of young people there.
• 18:34
  Speaker 7: So I think I think we're doing pretty well when
• 18:35
  Speaker 7: it comes to young people. And the only thing I'd
• 18:37
  Speaker 7: say about it is if young people don't feel as
• 18:40
  Speaker 7: strongly connected as their parents or grandparents did, that's probably
• 18:43
  Speaker 7: because they haven't had to live through the aftermath for
• 18:45
  Speaker 7: big war. So we do live in relatively peaceful times
• 18:48
  Speaker 7: and I think that's something we should all be grateful for.
• 18:52
  Speaker 2: I urge people to read Matt's book and Battlefield Tours
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: is a great organization.
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: Thank you, my friend. I'll talk to you again. Have
• 18:58
  Speaker 1: a good.
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: Rest of Anzac Day. That's at McLoughlin there after the break.
• 19:01
  Speaker 2: Why have the three candidates fighting for the seat of
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Brisbane all failed to back the new Victoria.
• 19:08
  Speaker 1: Park Olympic Stadium plan.
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: I'll be joined by my old friend, my Friday night
• 19:14
  Speaker 2: regular Campbell Newman who he's one of those who does
• 19:17
  Speaker 2: not like that location. Plus the independent who believes he
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: has what it takes if only he can, would keep
• 19:24
  Speaker 2: our fingers crossed to take down Chris Bull. Welcome Ack
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: step Price with you on this Anzac Day Friday night.
• 19:34
  Speaker 2: Now our regular Friday night guest is not only a
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: former Queensland Premier, Campbell Newman also served in the Australian
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: Military from nineteen eighty one to nineteen ninety four and
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: joins me, now, I would have thought you would have
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: been in a pub somewhere playing two up on Anzac Day.
• 19:54
  Speaker 8: Ah, no, mate, I think those days are well behind me.
• 19:57
  Speaker 8: But we didn't enjoy gain to our local service at
• 20:01
  Speaker 8: Windsor on the north side of Brisbane this morning, and
• 20:04
  Speaker 8: it was great because it rained like all hell prior
• 20:07
  Speaker 8: of its service during the service, which was fantastic a
• 20:10
  Speaker 8: local community event. Afterwards it then bucketed down again, but
• 20:16
  Speaker 8: the sun wasn't smiling on us, but the rain held off.
• 20:20
  Speaker 8: But it was a very touching service, as it always is.
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: There. What sounds oct don't mean to you? Do you
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: still catch up with mates? Oh? Absolutely?
• 20:30
  Speaker 8: Look the Australian Army is sort of I suppose programmed
• 20:34
  Speaker 8: into my DNA these days. I went to the Royal
• 20:37
  Speaker 8: Military College Don Troon, as did my late father who
• 20:42
  Speaker 8: died sadly almost thirty years ago. He was a Vietnam
• 20:45
  Speaker 8: Malaya Emergency VET. My great uncle, Leslie Holmes Mullett died
• 20:53
  Speaker 8: the Battle of Bullakops in April nineteen seventeen. And I've
• 20:57
  Speaker 8: got a niece who's also now a graduate of the
• 20:59
  Speaker 8: Royal Military College done treund So three generations have been
• 21:03
  Speaker 8: in the military, just just in the direct family as
• 21:10
  Speaker 8: well as Leslie Mullett.
• 21:11
  Speaker 9: So the Army's incredibly important.
• 21:13
  Speaker 8: And I spoke One of my poignant sort of memories
• 21:16
  Speaker 8: I'd share with people is that when my dad went
• 21:19
  Speaker 8: to Vietnam in sixty seven sixty eight, I was three
• 21:22
  Speaker 8: going on four, and what happened was that Mum had
• 21:26
  Speaker 8: a book and we had another copy of the book.
• 21:28
  Speaker 8: The dad took the Vietnam and he would read the
• 21:31
  Speaker 8: book and onto a tape, and the tape would come
• 21:34
  Speaker 8: to us, and we've still got the tape. We've had
• 21:36
  Speaker 8: it saved on digitally and you could hear Dad he
• 21:40
  Speaker 8: was reading to his little boy, but in the background
• 21:43
  Speaker 8: you can hear choppers occasionally can hear gunfire from the artillery,
• 21:48
  Speaker 8: and that's sort of what it means to me. And
• 21:52
  Speaker 8: so today is all about remembering Leslie Mullett. It's about
• 21:55
  Speaker 8: remembering my dad and all those people that I've served with,
• 22:00
  Speaker 8: some who paid the ultimate sacrifice.
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, lovely story.
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: And I mentioned to Matt mcgloughlin about the pole that
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: says Generation z Z whatever you want to call them,
• 22:12
  Speaker 2: zed probably are not connected to Anzac Day. When do
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: you look at the numbers Campbell again this morning at
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: dawn services that that beggars belief that that pole could
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: be accurate, doesn't it.
• 22:24
  Speaker 9: Yeah, Like I'm a bit I'm a bit puzzled.
• 22:26
  Speaker 8: And I did see the pole because you know, you
• 22:29
  Speaker 8: certainly have got our young being inculcated with the whole
• 22:35
  Speaker 8: Anzac legend and they're they're you know, like today at
• 22:38
  Speaker 8: the service I was mentioned before, the local schools were
• 22:41
  Speaker 8: well represented and the kids had from from primary school
• 22:46
  Speaker 8: age up to high schoolers were participants in the service
• 22:50
  Speaker 8: and all played a role. So you know, it was fantastic.
• 22:54
  Speaker 8: So you know, I don't know why that pole result
• 22:58
  Speaker 8: is the way it is. Perhaps it it's just at
• 23:01
  Speaker 8: the time people aren't reflect negatively. But when it's on
• 23:06
  Speaker 8: the day and they're really thinking about it with their families,
• 23:09
  Speaker 8: well you know that we see the truth of the matter.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: And when I look back at what it was like
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: when I was a teenager, no one went to dawn
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: services and very few people went to the ANZAC parade.
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: I just want to ask you. I'm confused Victoria Park.
• 23:25
  Speaker 1: No one went, did they? Yeah?
• 23:29
  Speaker 8: Well yeah, look, I mean it was like Australia Day.
• 23:32
  Speaker 8: I mean, it's been interesting that Australia Day has called
• 23:34
  Speaker 8: such a fuss in the last ten years, whereas you know,
• 23:37
  Speaker 8: I remember Australia Day back in nineteen eighty people couldn't
• 23:40
  Speaker 8: give two hoots.
• 23:41
  Speaker 9: But anyway, you're asking about Victoria Park.
• 23:43
  Speaker 8: Well you've got Stephen Bates, who's the Greens federal member.
• 23:47
  Speaker 8: You've got Trevor Evans, the former LNP member trying to
• 23:51
  Speaker 8: acclaim the seat, and you've got Madonna Jarrett, the ALP challenger,
• 23:56
  Speaker 8: and they all turned up to a community events. Stephen
• 23:59
  Speaker 8: Bait you really know what his colors to the mass,
• 24:02
  Speaker 8: which is great, thank you, Steven to say he was
• 24:04
  Speaker 8: against the proposal. The other two were sort of perhaps
• 24:10
  Speaker 8: a bit more wishy washy than you were, just suggesting
• 24:12
  Speaker 8: the way you posed the question. As you know, I
• 24:16
  Speaker 8: think it's a terrible idea and the fight's not over
• 24:19
  Speaker 8: by the way.
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll see how it goes, but it would appear
• 24:25
  Speaker 2: that the people in that area, like yourself, are not
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: that keen to have that stadium plumped in your park.
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: Campbell Newman, it's Friday night.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: We always welcome you and thanks for joining us on
• 24:34
  Speaker 2: portin day in your life, which is Anzac Day. Now,
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: the former Liberal turned independent who's gone from outside of
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: the serious contender in one of Labour's safest western Sydney seats,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: he's going to join us. Now you've got the cost
• 24:46
  Speaker 2: of living, you've got obviously voters feeling ignored. Matt camon
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: Zuli is taking the fight to climate change and Energy
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Minister Chris Bowen in the seed of McMahon. Some of
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: the polls say Matt is in front. He joins us. Now,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: let's hope the polls are accurate.
• 25:04
  Speaker 10: Matt, Yeah, thanks, Steve, I certainly hope so.
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: I spoke to you when you're back in local government
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: and back when you had the Liberal colors attached to you.
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: Why are you standing as an independent?
• 25:20
  Speaker 10: Look, I'm a bit over it. You know that the
• 25:23
  Speaker 10: entire political system at the moment seems to be built
• 25:25
  Speaker 10: on career politicians who really, you know, aren't that interested
• 25:30
  Speaker 10: in representing and far more interested in where they're headed
• 25:33
  Speaker 10: next than what they're going to be doing with their
• 25:35
  Speaker 10: future careers. And look, I think Australia has had enough
• 25:38
  Speaker 10: of it. I certainly have as well. You know, I'm
• 25:40
  Speaker 10: a businessman. I've been very, very blessed. I feel I
• 25:43
  Speaker 10: can do something about it.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: So here I am.
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Tell me, you know, you've got around the seat of McMahon.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: I imagine over the last three or so weeks a lot.
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: What's the feeling coming from the community about Chris Bowen?
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: When you ask people, why would you want to vote
• 26:01
  Speaker 2: for Bowen? Or do you just try and ignore him?
• 26:05
  Speaker 10: You know, so much of the of the community just
• 26:08
  Speaker 10: just comes across to me and speaks to me. And
• 26:11
  Speaker 10: you know, I've had such a wonderful time talking to people.
• 26:15
  Speaker 10: You know, from places like Grace Dames where I grew
• 26:18
  Speaker 10: up my home, and all the way around through to
• 26:21
  Speaker 10: Sinclair and into Blacktown, to Gabbie Fairfield and what I've
• 26:25
  Speaker 10: found is there's a common common concern, and it is
• 26:28
  Speaker 10: that people don't feel heard and they don't feel represented.
• 26:31
  Speaker 10: So you know, that's really the problem, and we're seeing,
• 26:36
  Speaker 10: you know, one of the worst cost increases in just
• 26:40
  Speaker 10: the basics that I think anyone can really remember. So
• 26:45
  Speaker 10: you know, people are hurting, people are suffering, and they
• 26:47
  Speaker 10: feel as though energy is a big part of it,
• 26:50
  Speaker 10: and they feel as though, you know, all of that
• 26:52
  Speaker 10: falls at the feet of mister Bowd. He can't really
• 26:55
  Speaker 10: get away from that.
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: As a business person.
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: I mean, you look at your power bills and it
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: makes you go paal, doesn't it.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: It really is insane.
• 27:06
  Speaker 10: I mean, you know, the power bills are going up
• 27:09
  Speaker 10: and up and up and up. I mean there was
• 27:11
  Speaker 10: supposed to be a two hundred and seventy five cost
• 27:13
  Speaker 10: reduction if I remember, from the last election, and not
• 27:16
  Speaker 10: only that. Now they're giving away rebates to try and all,
• 27:19
  Speaker 10: you know, grants to try and.
• 27:21
  Speaker 1: Give people some relief. But it's not enough.
• 27:24
  Speaker 10: And certainly businesses are suffering so much. I mean I've
• 27:27
  Speaker 10: seen power bills whilst I've been out and about from
• 27:30
  Speaker 10: cafes and small businesses that are in the thousands of dollars,
• 27:34
  Speaker 10: and you know, they just it's a lot of coffees.
• 27:36
  Speaker 10: You know, it's a lot of it's a lot of
• 27:38
  Speaker 10: work to make up that extra cost, and it's putting
• 27:41
  Speaker 10: people's jobs at risk.
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: And people know that.
• 27:43
  Speaker 10: And you know, if you lose your local job, you
• 27:45
  Speaker 10: might have to get in the current pay even more
• 27:47
  Speaker 10: fuel excise to get to the next one. People are
• 27:49
  Speaker 10: not happy and they're suffering, and everybody can see it.
• 27:51
  Speaker 10: So you know, I feel as though, you know, there's
• 27:55
  Speaker 10: a real mood for change.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, Sidney, Well, I mean people you have
• 28:00
  Speaker 2: to come in from the west to the city to work,
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: and you know, it's fine for those people who can
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: work from home in the eastern suburbs on a laptop,
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: but if you're a tradee and you have to use
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: the ute to get to work and back home again,
• 28:12
  Speaker 2: you know, five six days a week, the fuel exercise
• 28:15
  Speaker 2: is a major issue. I think that's a winner for
• 28:18
  Speaker 2: the coalition. But you think you want you want to
• 28:20
  Speaker 2: take that one step further, don't you.
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: I do.
• 28:23
  Speaker 10: Look, I think you know, if we're being really serious
• 28:25
  Speaker 10: about giving people relief on the cost of just getting
• 28:29
  Speaker 10: by and getting to work, you've got to make that
• 28:32
  Speaker 10: fuel excise a permanent cut, and you've got to cut
• 28:35
  Speaker 10: it completely in full, because not only is it going
• 28:40
  Speaker 10: to hit you when you're filling up your car, but
• 28:42
  Speaker 10: it also is an input into the cost of everything.
• 28:45
  Speaker 10: I mean, if you think about, you know, the people
• 28:47
  Speaker 10: who are building houses, and every house that's built and
• 28:49
  Speaker 10: we are in a housing shortage, every home that's built
• 28:53
  Speaker 10: has so many tanks of fuel in so many use
• 28:56
  Speaker 10: it's unbelievable. So it's a base input in the cost
• 28:59
  Speaker 10: of everything, just likely tricity. So if we're getting going
• 29:01
  Speaker 10: to get serious about, you know, giving people proper relief
• 29:05
  Speaker 10: and actually getting the cost of everything down, you know,
• 29:07
  Speaker 10: the only way to do that is to get rid
• 29:09
  Speaker 10: of this field excites. It's not even going into the
• 29:11
  Speaker 10: roads anymore. I think it's a breach of faith with
• 29:13
  Speaker 10: the Australian public. So you know, I think it's time
• 29:16
  Speaker 10: to get rid of it, and that's what i'd strongly
• 29:18
  Speaker 10: advocate for doing.
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: Well. Matt.
• 29:22
  Speaker 2: We've got a week to go to find out how
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: the result is. You've got a ten percent gap to close,
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: so good luck with the campaign and we'll keep a
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: close watch on it. On election night. Thanks for joining
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: us on this ANZAC day. Now after the break the
• 29:33
  Speaker 2: impact of the war in Gaza on our Australian election,
• 29:36
  Speaker 2: plus the shocking incident that interrupted the dawn service in
• 29:40
  Speaker 2: Melbourne this morning, I'll have a look at that a
• 29:43
  Speaker 2: little later as well. Welcome back to the Price with you.
• 29:48
  Speaker 2: Our panel coming up shortly well. Last night TEARMP doctor
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Monique Ryan and her Liberal challenger this is for the
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: seat of Kujong in inner eastern Melbourne, Emilia Hamer. They
• 30:00
  Speaker 2: made their pitch to Jewish voters, with both women strongly
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: condemning the rise of anti Semitism in Australia. Now, Ms
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: Hamer said, some Jewish Australians, and I found this comment incredible,
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: were so concerned about the current climate, the current climate
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: of anti Semitism, that they had quote escape plans in
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: place to flee the country, with some of them suggesting
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: they would rather go back and live in Israel on
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: the edge of a war zone than stay in Australia,
• 30:30
  Speaker 2: which is staggering. The President of the Executive Council of
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: Australian Jury, Daniel Aggion, joins me, thank you very much
• 30:37
  Speaker 2: for your time. I mean, first up, have you been
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: disappointed in the lack of debate about the rise of
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: antisemitism that's happened through this federal election campaign.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: Daniel, or have I missed something?
• 30:51
  Speaker 9: Steve.
• 30:52
  Speaker 11: First of all, thank you for having me on just
• 30:55
  Speaker 11: before Schabbutt comes in. I am pointed by the lack
• 31:00
  Speaker 11: of debate and specifically what I'm disappointed by is the
• 31:04
  Speaker 11: lack of leadership. This is something that we've been grappling
• 31:08
  Speaker 11: with for the last eighteen months. We wanted to see
• 31:13
  Speaker 11: strong standing up for our community and for our community's
• 31:21
  Speaker 11: contribution and role to Australian life.
• 31:27
  Speaker 2: I know that you don't care about the politics and
• 31:30
  Speaker 2: what side, you just want the message to be strong.
• 31:35
  Speaker 2: The Labor Party hasn't been great at all in this
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: whole debate. Coali should have been a little bit stronger.
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: But I've been staggered, particularly Daniel, for us here in
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: Melbourne with such a large Jewish population and the way
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: anti semitism's taken off that it's not been more central
• 31:52
  Speaker 2: and the leaders on the election trail have not been
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: asked by the mainstream media often enough about what they're
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: going to do about it.
• 32:03
  Speaker 9: Well, that's exactly right, Steve.
• 32:05
  Speaker 11: It's where a non part is an organization and the
• 32:11
  Speaker 11: Jewish community all it wants to see is its right
• 32:16
  Speaker 11: to be safe and to participate equally in Australian society.
• 32:21
  Speaker 11: We are entitled to have our synagogues, not fireball. We're
• 32:28
  Speaker 11: entitled not to be the subject of death threats and
• 32:31
  Speaker 11: threats of violence. I am surprised but it hasn't occupied
• 32:36
  Speaker 11: more of the debate on the campaign trail, and I'm
• 32:41
  Speaker 11: also surprised and disappointed that we haven't had bipartisan support
• 32:46
  Speaker 11: from the Prime Minister and a leader of the Opposition
• 32:49
  Speaker 11: standing shoulder to shoulder and calling out together this scourge
• 32:55
  Speaker 11: on modern Australian society.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: We'll get to the Greens and what a disgrace they
• 33:01
  Speaker 2: are in a moment. But I referenced there that gathering
• 33:04
  Speaker 2: in Kujong last night for the rest of our country
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: on the national program that doesn't understand Kujong. It's in
• 33:10
  Speaker 2: the eastern suburbs of Melbourne. But it's been redrawn, the
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: boundaries have been redrawn, and I read this morning that
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: several thousand Jewish voters have now been captured within that
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: seat of Kuyong. What did you make and what did
• 33:24
  Speaker 2: you hear about that gathering last night and what doctor
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: Ryan and Amelia Hamer said.
• 33:31
  Speaker 9: Thank you, Steve.
• 33:32
  Speaker 11: It's so we've held a number of debates co hosted
• 33:36
  Speaker 11: with a number of organizations in electorates in Melbourne and
• 33:41
  Speaker 11: city where there's a significant Jewish population, and last night
• 33:45
  Speaker 11: was kuong. First of all, I think one thing that
• 33:48
  Speaker 11: was impressive was the high quality of the debate. It
• 33:51
  Speaker 11: was issues based and the issues was fairly tackled in
• 33:57
  Speaker 11: so far as they are of concerned to the Jewish community.
• 34:00
  Speaker 11: The second thing that I must say I was pleased
• 34:03
  Speaker 11: by was that there was a lot of similarity in
• 34:07
  Speaker 11: policy position between what was said by Emilia Haymoth for
• 34:11
  Speaker 11: the Liberal Party and Manie Grime the sitting Independent. So
• 34:16
  Speaker 11: for example, both indicated a support for Zionism being no
• 34:21
  Speaker 11: more than a right of Jewish people to live in
• 34:24
  Speaker 11: a Jewish homeland in Israel. Both of them supported a
• 34:29
  Speaker 11: judicial inquiry into.
• 34:31
  Speaker 9: Antisemitism on campus campuses.
• 34:35
  Speaker 11: That's something that the Coalition is prepared to do, but
• 34:39
  Speaker 11: the ALP is not. Both of them decried the lack
• 34:44
  Speaker 11: of leadership that we have seen in respect at the
• 34:49
  Speaker 11: federal level in respect of anti Semitism, and they both
• 34:56
  Speaker 11: in different ways stressed the importance of anti Semitism not
• 35:02
  Speaker 11: being a Jewish issue, but being an issue for whole
• 35:05
  Speaker 11: of community, because if we have a part of Australian
• 35:12
  Speaker 11: society that is diminished simply because of their race, religion,
• 35:16
  Speaker 11: or ethnicity, it diminishes us all. And I was pleased
• 35:20
  Speaker 11: to see that there was common ground between Monique Ryan
• 35:26
  Speaker 11: and eMedia Hamer for that position in Kuong.
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  Speaker 1: Daniel.
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  Speaker 2: Just finally, how disappointed are you, as a Jewish voter
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: that the Prime Minister of our country has preferenced an
• 35:38
  Speaker 2: anti a very vocal anti Israel Green's candidate second on
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: his how to vote card.
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  Speaker 9: Well, we're bitterly disappointed by that.
• 35:50
  Speaker 11: And indeed it's something that has occurred across the board
• 35:54
  Speaker 11: with not only the Prime Minister, but across the Labor Party,
• 35:57
  Speaker 11: with only one or two exceptions, one of them being
• 35:59
  Speaker 11: Josh Burn in Macnamara.
• 36:01
  Speaker 9: But there's this sort of this notion that.
• 36:03
  Speaker 11: Somehow the parliamentary party or the non parliamentary party gets
• 36:08
  Speaker 11: to decide and so the Green should go second because
• 36:10
  Speaker 11: there's some you know, there's some benefit arising from that
• 36:14
  Speaker 11: across the board.
• 36:15
  Speaker 9: The problem I have with that is that again this
• 36:17
  Speaker 9: question of leadership.
• 36:19
  Speaker 11: The Greens are a scourge as far as we are concerned.
• 36:24
  Speaker 9: They have within them a sitting.
• 36:27
  Speaker 11: Member of the New South Wales Parliament who said that
• 36:30
  Speaker 11: Jews use their tentacles to influence organizations and they should
• 36:36
  Speaker 11: be called out for it. The chief of staff.
• 36:39
  Speaker 9: Of their.
• 36:41
  Speaker 11: For their anti racism spokesperson said that the attack on
• 36:46
  Speaker 11: the duss is Ral Synagogue in Melbourne was a Zionus
• 36:49
  Speaker 11: plot because they've done it before. That is to say,
• 36:53
  Speaker 11: we burn down our own synagogue. These are the people
• 36:57
  Speaker 11: that are within high levels of the Green's Party and
• 37:04
  Speaker 11: these this is the organization that the ALP has seemed
• 37:09
  Speaker 11: to play second across the country, including in the PM
• 37:13
  Speaker 11: Zion electorate.
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  Speaker 9: That seends a message.
• 37:19
  Speaker 11: It doesn't matter whether it's a safe seat or a
• 37:21
  Speaker 11: risky seat or whatever it is.
• 37:22
  Speaker 9: The message it seems is.
• 37:24
  Speaker 11: That these people, the scourge, these people who diminish us
• 37:30
  Speaker 11: as Jews, are good enough to go second to the
• 37:34
  Speaker 11: Labor Party ahead of everybody else.
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  Speaker 9: That is bitterly disappointing for us.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, it's disgraceful, I think, Daniel, thank you very much
• 37:43
  Speaker 2: for your time, Thank you, thank you. STI coming up
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: after the break the panel, joinmy Friday panel whits or
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: is our most happy time.
• 37:52
  Speaker 1: Of the day.
• 37:52
  Speaker 2: We'll get their reflections on the ANZAC Day, including I
• 37:55
  Speaker 2: want to ask Joe and Amanda about the scenes at
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the dawn service in Melbourne this morning, plus the gender
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: war unfolding at a local netball club raises questions about
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: fairness in female sport. Welcome back to the Price with you.
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: It is ANZAC Day. I'll get to the panel in
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: just a moment, and I want to get their view
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: on this as well. But I think the story of
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: the day on this twenty twenty five Anzac Day was
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: done by our Sky senior reporter Kenny Heatley. It involves
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: three Vietnam vetts and a tank.
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  Speaker 1: Have a look.
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  Speaker 6: It's December nineteen sixty nine. Tank driver George Maine celebrates
• 38:36
  Speaker 6: his nineteenth birthday as he touches down in Vietnam.
• 38:40
  Speaker 12: I was noted to be the worst tank driver in
• 38:43
  Speaker 12: the regiment. I bolved to tank more time to blow
• 38:45
  Speaker 12: up more gearboxes.
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: Than anybody else.
• 38:48
  Speaker 12: My cousin was in Raimi, which is the modern mechanics
• 38:51
  Speaker 12: and electrical mechanics.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: He is to keep your parent for me, so when
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: I boy blew them up. Mick and I would do
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: the work to get a fixed wall. He was sitting
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: in the back of cigarettes watching us.
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  Speaker 6: They spent a total of twelve months in Vietnam.
• 39:05
  Speaker 9: Four people living on and in a tank. There's no
• 39:09
  Speaker 9: privacy whatsoever. You get a letter from home.
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: Everybody knew your mooded changed.
• 39:15
  Speaker 6: More than fifty years later, rumors about a farm on
• 39:18
  Speaker 6: the New South Wales mid North coast began circulating that
• 39:21
  Speaker 6: on that farm was a Centurion tank from the Vietnam War.
• 39:26
  Speaker 13: Knew the black where it was. I went around and
• 39:28
  Speaker 13: drove round air and yep, there's a Centurion tank. Looking
• 39:32
  Speaker 13: at it over and then on the back of the
• 39:34
  Speaker 13: hundred gallon fuel tank is our old troop emblem, which
• 39:37
  Speaker 13: was a chest piece night on a red and yellow background,
• 39:44
  Speaker 13: and that's under about thirteen coats of khaki paint. This
• 39:49
  Speaker 13: is an old one troop tank. On fourth that's our
• 39:54
  Speaker 13: old tank. My phone, George, I found an our older taste.
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: Couldn't be yeah it is. It can't be true, you know.
• 40:05
  Speaker 12: So we did a wreki and went up there ahead
• 40:07
  Speaker 12: of time, my son and myself and Sue, and there's
• 40:11
  Speaker 12: our tanksit in there one six nine oh four to
• 40:13
  Speaker 12: three in almost.
• 40:14
  Speaker 6: Wind condition, all reunited once again.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: At our age.
• 40:19
  Speaker 12: We got into it and it just kind of saying ourselves,
• 40:22
  Speaker 12: how do we manage twelve months living in this thing?
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: You know?
• 40:25
  Speaker 12: And that we lived all day in it and sometimes
• 40:28
  Speaker 12: we slept in it all night, you know, but it
• 40:31
  Speaker 12: felt like home.
• 40:34
  Speaker 13: Yeah, Absowett, Yeah.
• 40:40
  Speaker 12: Crazy, I'm still going.
• 40:45
  Speaker 6: Kenny Heatley, Sky News.
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: And of course they celebrated with cancer VB. I mean,
• 40:52
  Speaker 2: let's bring in the panel small business Women astral to
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: see Amanda Rose and Sky News contributor Joe Hildebrand. Joe,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: is that just not the most amazing I've ever heard?
• 41:04
  Speaker 14: Absolutely incredible, And you just think about the sort of
• 41:07
  Speaker 14: bonds that people like that must have forged in times
• 41:11
  Speaker 14: of war. It hurts my brain to even think about
• 41:14
  Speaker 14: what these guys have gone through. But just how incredibly
• 41:17
  Speaker 14: close they must be. You almost sort of would share.
• 41:20
  Speaker 14: You know, you're on the tank together. That's almost like
• 41:23
  Speaker 14: you've become part of the same being as phenomenal and
• 41:26
  Speaker 14: the idea that they actually found the tank again is
• 41:28
  Speaker 14: just staggering, man.
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, we want everyone to see that.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, young Australians who might have drifted away from
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: the thought that, you know, coming together and defending your
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: country was worth doing. You see those three blokes who
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: spent twelve months in Vietnam in battle.
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: They're in a tank.
• 41:46
  Speaker 2: They're not sitting in the sigone Hilton, They're actually out
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: there fighting. You want to show young people that they
• 41:52
  Speaker 2: should show that story in every school around the country.
• 41:55
  Speaker 15: They should, And I actually think this is the type
• 41:58
  Speaker 15: of story that we need to to us schools. We
• 42:00
  Speaker 15: need to explain what our veterans participated in and what
• 42:05
  Speaker 15: they went through, and see it as a respectful piece
• 42:09
  Speaker 15: of history, because I think it's been ignored. I think
• 42:12
  Speaker 15: people don't want to talk about it, and as a result,
• 42:16
  Speaker 15: we're going to lose it. We're going to lose that history.
• 42:20
  Speaker 15: And we need it because these people they put their
• 42:23
  Speaker 15: life on the line for us and for our country,
• 42:26
  Speaker 15: and that to me, that's the ultimate sacrifice. So we
• 42:29
  Speaker 15: do need to actually share the story. But also that
• 42:32
  Speaker 15: needs to be in your museum. So I think we
• 42:34
  Speaker 15: need to protect it and put it somewhere and have
• 42:36
  Speaker 15: maybe kids come and visit it and you know, play
• 42:39
  Speaker 15: with it, experience it.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: So I remember when I was.
• 42:41
  Speaker 15: At school, we would do that, would take us to
• 42:43
  Speaker 15: somewhere and say, did you know these people thought this war,
• 42:46
  Speaker 15: this is what it was about, and you actually got
• 42:47
  Speaker 15: to feel it and experience it. So I think we
• 42:49
  Speaker 15: need to do more on that.
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: Absolutely, I mean find a spot for it in the
• 42:54
  Speaker 2: War memorial down there in Cambridge. Joe, I can't leave
• 42:56
  Speaker 2: Anzac Day without getting your views on the incident that
• 43:00
  Speaker 2: took place at the Dawn Service in Melbourne this morning.
• 43:02
  Speaker 2: It was during a welcome to country ceremony. Let's have
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: a look.
• 43:08
  Speaker 13: I'm here to welcome everybody to my father's country, beautiful pomm.
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: Country, a service, this brilliance, Joe.
• 43:29
  Speaker 2: I was worried that might happen during the welcome to
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: country at the MCG at the at the AFL game today.
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: That didn't happen. I've written about this in the Herald Sun.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: I just think that what we've got to do is
• 43:42
  Speaker 2: not have any politics intruding on Anzac Day, particularly in
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: the Dawn Service. What do you make of I mean,
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: these guys are clearly morons and we're probably giving them
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: too much attention, But what do you think about what
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: happened there?
• 43:57
  Speaker 14: I thought It was absolutely despicable. I've never seen anything
• 44:02
  Speaker 14: more disgraceful and disgusting in my life. The Anzac Day
• 44:06
  Speaker 14: dawn Service is our most profound and sacred ritual as
• 44:11
  Speaker 14: a nation. And for these guys to these weren't just
• 44:15
  Speaker 14: members of the crowds who spontaneously boo. These were people
• 44:17
  Speaker 14: who deliberately went there. One of them is a known
• 44:20
  Speaker 14: neo Nazi, So these are the sort of people we're
• 44:22
  Speaker 14: talking about. Deliberately went there to disrupt the dawn service
• 44:26
  Speaker 14: and to heck all the people who were who were
• 44:30
  Speaker 14: performing it. There was one of them there who was
• 44:32
  Speaker 14: saying stuff like Australia for the white man, Australia for
• 44:35
  Speaker 14: the white man, even as he was being escorted off.
• 44:38
  Speaker 14: These are not patriotic Australians they pretend to be. In fact,
• 44:43
  Speaker 14: they have attacked and defiled our most important national right
• 44:48
  Speaker 14: and they have got absolutely no place in Australia whatsoever.
• 44:54
  Speaker 14: The PM said they should be prosecuted to the full
• 44:56
  Speaker 14: extent of law. I don't even know what law you
• 44:58
  Speaker 14: would use to prosecute them, because we' needed one before now,
• 45:01
  Speaker 14: no one has ever behaved with such outrageous anti Australian disgraceful, disrespectful,
• 45:08
  Speaker 14: disgusting behavior. And these people are human filth.
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they're horrible people, Amanda. I have made the point
• 45:16
  Speaker 2: that I think, you know, perhaps the dawn service on
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: Anzac Day is not the place to have a welcome
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: to country. I mean, I know that that upset a
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: number of veterans who are actually in attendance at the
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: shrine this morning. It's probably a little too early to
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: prosecute that argument, but I've done it. Anyway, Do we
• 45:34
  Speaker 2: need to have a national discussion about how often we
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: have welcomed to country?
• 45:39
  Speaker 15: Well, I actually spoke to a couple of veterans about
• 45:43
  Speaker 15: that particular issue. Is that something you would like? And
• 45:48
  Speaker 15: I think I know who did it really well is WARSL.
• 45:51
  Speaker 15: They actually had an acknowledgment to country, not a welcome
• 45:55
  Speaker 15: to country with an indigenous veteran. Right, so because Evet
• 46:00
  Speaker 15: what told me today. You know, we all fought under
• 46:02
  Speaker 15: the one flag, and they will respect that, but they
• 46:05
  Speaker 15: also want to respect the indigenous community, so they didn't
• 46:08
  Speaker 15: acknowledgement not a welcome to country by an indigenous veteran.
• 46:11
  Speaker 15: And I think that is a perfect solution for something
• 46:14
  Speaker 15: like this.
• 46:15
  Speaker 3: The behavior that.
• 46:16
  Speaker 15: We saw is appalling, you know, regardless of the environment,
• 46:20
  Speaker 15: especially being Anzac. I mean, that's absolutely appalling for people
• 46:23
  Speaker 15: that were there. But also when you think about it,
• 46:26
  Speaker 15: if government is going to encourage welcome to country at
• 46:29
  Speaker 15: every single activity that we do, and you, as a
• 46:33
  Speaker 15: citizen don't like a government that does that, then you
• 46:36
  Speaker 15: vote that government out, right, So you need the reality
• 46:41
  Speaker 15: is the labor government likes this type of thing and
• 46:43
  Speaker 15: pushes it, then if you don't like it, vote them out.
• 46:45
  Speaker 15: If you do like it, and you vote them in.
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: Ya, as Joe said, I mean, Joe, what should have
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: happened is they shouldn't have gone then. I mean, but
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: these people want attention, I mean, and here we are
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: giving it to them. But that's why they went there.
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: They went there knowing what the reaction would be. I
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: was very surprised that the crowd didn't physically turn on
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: these blokes, and then it would have completely got out
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: of hand.
• 47:09
  Speaker 14: Yeah, and that would have made the whole scene even ugly. Again,
• 47:11
  Speaker 14: these services are incredibly solemn and profound and moving. We
• 47:15
  Speaker 14: are reflecting on the war dead, we are reflecting on
• 47:18
  Speaker 14: people who gave their lives for this country, and these
• 47:21
  Speaker 14: absolute goons, these extremists wanted to hijack that just so
• 47:26
  Speaker 14: they could have a bit of fun and make their point.
• 47:28
  Speaker 14: And to me, it was a bit like October seven.
• 47:30
  Speaker 14: To me, it was like when Hamas launched a mass
• 47:32
  Speaker 14: terror attack on Israel and it immediately, it immediately disqualified
• 47:37
  Speaker 14: any of the legitimacy of their grievances or their causes.
• 47:41
  Speaker 14: Now you do that, then whatever you have to say,
• 47:44
  Speaker 14: I'm no longer listening.
• 47:45
  Speaker 15: To I've got a solution here, Stephen, Joe. Those gentlemen
• 47:49
  Speaker 15: or the people that relicipated in that. What we'll do
• 47:52
  Speaker 15: it was actually put them in the army. So we'll
• 47:54
  Speaker 15: put them in there for five years and they have
• 47:56
  Speaker 15: to train, and they have to go through the discipline
• 48:01
  Speaker 15: and the pain and the training, and then put them
• 48:03
  Speaker 15: through extra training, and they have to speak to all
• 48:06
  Speaker 15: the vets and what they went through to show them
• 48:08
  Speaker 15: and try and get into them the respect that we're missing,
• 48:12
  Speaker 15: because we're actually missing that respect a lot in society.
• 48:16
  Speaker 15: We're seeing a lot of people attack someone simply because
• 48:20
  Speaker 15: they don't agree with you. I don't agree with you,
• 48:22
  Speaker 15: I feel like I have a right to you attack
• 48:24
  Speaker 15: you and say something and that's appalling.
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: They're not worthy of the army. They don't deserve it.
• 48:28
  Speaker 14: They should never be allowed to have an Australian flag
• 48:30
  Speaker 14: or an insignia on their body.
• 48:33
  Speaker 15: You've got to give people a second chance.
• 48:34
  Speaker 1: You've got to give people at least.
• 48:36
  Speaker 15: One second chance, because you don't know how they were raised,
• 48:39
  Speaker 15: don't know.
• 48:39
  Speaker 3: How they were raised.
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: Already, probably you wouldn't be brave enough to serve in
• 48:44
  Speaker 2: the army, I don't think. Joe, Thank you, Amanda, thank you.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Catch up with you next week, of course, coming up
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: next it's the world. According to Roundine,