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I Am All In…Again: An Impossible Storyline to Fathom for Sookie (Season 4 E3 The Hobbit, The Sofa, and Digger Styles) · I Am All In with Scott Patterson

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  Speaker 1: I am all in again.
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  Speaker 2: I am all in again with Scott Patterson in iHeartRadio Podcast.
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  Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson, I am all and Podcast, one
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  Speaker 1: of them productions iHeart Radio Media. iHeart Podcast. We are
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  Speaker 1: going to recap episode three, Season four, the Hobbits, the
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  Speaker 1: Sofa and Digger Styles, and we are talking today. Our
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  Speaker 1: special guest, our our co host for the day is
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  Speaker 1: Matt Browning, an author. He wrote the Gilmore Girls Pop
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  Speaker 1: Culture Reference Guide. Uh, and it's about time somebody did that,
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  Speaker 1: because boy, that's a what what we refer to in
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  Speaker 1: the business as a tome and as there are so
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  Speaker 1: many pop culture references and an in depth look into thousands,
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  Speaker 1: literally thousands of topical references in every episode of this series.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the show, Matt, Hey, thanks for having me.
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  Speaker 1: We are excited to have you. We're going to get
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  Speaker 1: into the book in a little bit, but let's dive
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  Speaker 1: in here. Air date for this episode October seven, two
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  Speaker 1: thousand and three. That's a whole lifetime ago. Rory is
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  Speaker 1: adjusting to college party life, as Paris wants to start
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  Speaker 1: over and be friends with everyone. Richard and Emily make
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  Speaker 1: big changes in their business, and Suki and Lorelai cater
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  Speaker 1: their first birthday party, directed by Matthew Diamond and written
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  Speaker 1: by Amy Sherman Paladino. Okay, so look, before we get
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  Speaker 1: into all this, Matt, you know, this episode includes reference
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  Speaker 1: to the Gabor sisters, which I am aware of, but
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  Speaker 1: a lot of people probably aren't because that's my era
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  Speaker 1: The Simpsons. Stephen King, John Nash and named a few
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  Speaker 1: you think of this episode overall?
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  Speaker 2: I thought the episode itself, I thought was a pretty
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  Speaker 2: strong one. I mean, it's pretty early in the season, right,
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  Speaker 2: so we're starting to meet some new people. We meet Digger,
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  Speaker 2: we meet I think Janet for the first time, we
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  Speaker 2: meet Marty for the first time. There's a random Madeline
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  Speaker 2: Leuiz cameo. A lot's going on, but I think all
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  Speaker 2: in all, it it flowed really well and everybody was
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  Speaker 2: behaving according to character, and yeah, I thought it was great.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Was there one notable absence from the cast in
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  Speaker 1: this episode?
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  Speaker 2: There was, I mean, you know, no diner scenes going on,
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  Speaker 2: but it can't be everywhere every week, I guess.
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  Speaker 1: I yes, there was this uh this void and the
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  Speaker 1: matrix wasn't there. But I really needed a rest and
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  Speaker 1: thank god, you know, for that all right, So let's
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  Speaker 1: get into this. It's shopping week, so Rory is it? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: she's trying to She's trying out over fifty classes before
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  Speaker 1: she sign up signs up to take any of them.
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  Speaker 1: She arrives super early to class to see another student
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  Speaker 1: who shows up early. What'd you think of of Rory's
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  Speaker 1: initial plunge into college life.
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  Speaker 2: I mean it was very Rory. I thought to want
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  Speaker 2: to take every class and then show up half hour earlier. However,
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  Speaker 2: earlier it was yeah, very on character with her.
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  Speaker 1: Right right, and then and then the furniture right, this
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  Speaker 1: is uh, I don't know. Is that rich girl problems?
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  Speaker 1: Is that? I mean I understand her point of view,
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  Speaker 1: and but the fact that she was going to try
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  Speaker 1: to make a thing with Emily about.
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  Speaker 2: It, it's I mean definitely rich grandmother problems. And I
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  Speaker 2: loved the bit where lower light can smell that Emily
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  Speaker 2: has been in the room right.
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  Speaker 1: Right, but and Paris is excited. You know, one thing
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  Speaker 1: I did notice about this episode is the lighting seemed
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  Speaker 1: pretty dark almost in every scene. Did the lighting seem
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  Speaker 1: very dark to you?
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  Speaker 2: I wasn't thinking about it that way, but now that
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  Speaker 2: you pointed out, Yeah, you do kind of have a point,
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  Speaker 2: especially in the dorm room.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, even in lauralized kitchen. When Lane came in, it
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  Speaker 1: was dark, she walked through darkness and then into her
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  Speaker 1: her lit spot. I just I just yeah. I made
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  Speaker 1: a note on that Paris is excited about the first
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  Speaker 1: party is going to happen on their floor, the ground floor,
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  Speaker 1: and you're supposed to leave your door open to participate.
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  Speaker 1: Rory is reluctant, and then Paris gets on the phone
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  Speaker 1: with Laurel I and Laurli and Vincess Roy to participate.
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  Speaker 1: What do you think of that move from a roommate
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  Speaker 1: going going a little batty and storming out of the room.
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  Speaker 2: Paris has a way of getting what Paris wants. So
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  Speaker 2: for Paris, I guess it's acceptable behavior. But anybody else,
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, man, that that cross is aligned, and.
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  Speaker 1: You know she just seems to get away with it. Yeah, nobody,
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  Speaker 1: there's no there's never a price to pay. I love.
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  Speaker 2: At the end of that little bit, when Rory finally
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  Speaker 2: agrees on the phone, Paris yells from the other room,
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  Speaker 2: like I care about the reason I'm getting what i want.
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  Speaker 1: M M.
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  Speaker 2: You know, I think there's something to be said for
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  Speaker 2: that kind of response.
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  Speaker 1: Paris tells Rory she wants to start over in a
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  Speaker 1: moment of vulnerability, and she's confessing to Rory that she
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  Speaker 1: wants to turn over a new leaf and and have
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  Speaker 1: friends and mingle and be popular.
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  Speaker 2: Maybe I kind of like that for her. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: I think a lot of us went through that when
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  Speaker 2: we started college, or you know, when you move or
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  Speaker 2: do anything like that, it's the chance to become so
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  Speaker 2: body different. So good for her for trying to do that.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know that she succeeds, No, but she starts
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  Speaker 2: out with the motivation to do so.
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  Speaker 1: Now when you, yeah, when you freak out and throw
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  Speaker 1: everybody out of your room, that's that's that's not a
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  Speaker 1: good start. No, the party was kind of funny, though,
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  Speaker 1: those the Goodbor sisters. Now tell us about the Goodbor Sisters,
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  Speaker 1: you know about the Goobor sisters.
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  Speaker 2: Gosh, let me just pull up JA and went there
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  Speaker 2: wasn't there a third one? Probably you write the book
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  Speaker 2: like a year ago and then it comes out later.
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  Speaker 1: Isn't there? Like there were Hungarian singer songwriters or something,
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  Speaker 1: trio of Hungarian American socialite actress sisters.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, Magda Ja and Ava. Ava, of course, starred on.
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  Speaker 1: Green Acres with Eddie Albert. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I don't remember much about Magda, but I remember Jaja.
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  Speaker 2: She used to be on all of those like Lifestyle,
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  Speaker 2: all of the rich and famous, oh yeah, game shows
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  Speaker 2: back in the eighties. Ever remember her and then she
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  Speaker 2: slapped the cop right, Oh that's right, yeah, right, claimed
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  Speaker 2: fame so to speak.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, they were these elegant women from from Hungary and uh,
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  Speaker 1: I guess they were like, I don't know, who would
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  Speaker 1: you compare them to today?
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  Speaker 2: The Paris Hilton, Haaris Hilton.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, something like that. All right, But I mean,
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  Speaker 1: you know, Ava was a good actress. She she she was.
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  Speaker 1: She was really funny in that show.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, she still lives on in the infamy
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  Speaker 2: of Green Acres for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yes she does. All right. So Madeline and Louise show
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  Speaker 1: up to the party in rare form and and totally
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  Speaker 1: in character, yes, because they they just sort of focus
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  Speaker 1: on a cute guy and then make make a b line.
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  Speaker 1: Louise is dating a Harvard man. Rory meets the twins,
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  Speaker 1: the good poor twins. That's that was hysterical. Who knew
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  Speaker 1: Emily from the parents knew Emily from the daughter's American Revolution.
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  Speaker 1: But Paris isn't having fun. Shocking, She's not having fun,
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  Speaker 1: and you imagine having fun, and she can't find a
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  Speaker 1: group to be and she doesn't fit in anywhere, so
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  Speaker 1: she gets upset. She kicks everybody out, and then Rmory
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  Speaker 1: finds a naked guy on the floor, or Marty or Marty,
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  Speaker 1: and she gives him her bathrobe and she promises not
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  Speaker 1: to tell anybody. All right, do you find it comforting
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  Speaker 1: to see this Rory Paris dynamic playing out in this
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  Speaker 1: way and refreshing not to see? Is she is trying
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  Speaker 1: something different once? To start of you think Paris will
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  Speaker 1: be Do you think Paris will accomplish her goal of
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  Speaker 1: becoming a new person?
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  Speaker 2: No, I think Paris is Paris.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, she's going to become more Paris.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah. I don't think she's going to reinvent herself.
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  Speaker 1: No, she's she's going to become more of what she
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  Speaker 1: already is.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, which is fine. I love Paris, uh huh. No,
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  Speaker 2: if she were a real person in my life, I
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  Speaker 2: don't know how I feel about her, but I love.
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  Speaker 1: To watch her, right right?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: All right, So now let's go to Suki and Laurlai.
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  Speaker 2: By the way, real quick, I do want to say him,
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  Speaker 2: I really liked Marty here in the beginning, you know,
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  Speaker 2: uh huh. We get to know things down the line
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  Speaker 2: that uh, you know, paint him a different way. But
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  Speaker 2: here at the beginning he seems like a nice guy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, let me ask you. This just flat out okay,
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  Speaker 1: this entire storyline didn't work for me, And I'll tell
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  Speaker 1: you why. I could not imagine a world in which
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  Speaker 1: Suki was so out of touch with preparing food for children. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that this was even possible, that these conversations even could
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  Speaker 1: have taken place. It was to me it felt so
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  Speaker 1: forced and and so unlikely. But then the question became,
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  Speaker 1: you know, what's it like to be a pregnant uh?
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  Speaker 1: You know uh and and feeling the anxiety of not
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  Speaker 1: wanting to have a child. I mean, it was just
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  Speaker 1: like it was blowing my mind. How how of course
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  Speaker 1: this was this, this narrative was getting per the show.
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  Speaker 2: I had it in my notes. It's even in red, Like,
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  Speaker 2: would Suki be this oblivious how children eat?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 2: And would the client and the caterer not have had
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  Speaker 2: a thorough discussion about menu right, I think they would have.
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  Speaker 2: So that was the one thing that raised my eyebrow
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  Speaker 2: about the episode. Now, I could think Melissa McCarthy at
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  Speaker 2: the end, in the scene where she's coming to terms
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  Speaker 2: with the real problem in hand, I thought she did great.
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  Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm sitting here writing like somebody would have
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  Speaker 2: discussed menu more in depth with these people, I would.
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  Speaker 1: Think, right, right, Yeah, I found that I found it
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  Speaker 1: hard to hook into that stuff because like, are you
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  Speaker 1: kidding me with this? She doesn't know how to prep
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  Speaker 1: it at kids party. She makes a party for you know,
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  Speaker 1: the sophisticated adults.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, now I would try her alipino mac and cheese
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  Speaker 2: for sure.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean sure. But yeah, anyway, I so that's
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  Speaker 1: we don't really have to get into this all right,
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  Speaker 1: Emily and Richard. Emily tells Richard that Jason Styles called,
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  Speaker 1: and what do you think about all this? By the way,
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  Speaker 1: this is this is a very interesting ploy. This is
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  Speaker 1: an interesting play on Jason styles art. Yeah, and it's
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  Speaker 1: so for me, it's so obvious what he's doing. But
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  Speaker 1: what do you think about it?
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know. It's a classic move to
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  Speaker 2: try and want to get out from under your parents'
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  Speaker 2: shadow right in a way that kind of rebels against them,
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  Speaker 2: So I think it works in that regard. Now, I
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  Speaker 2: will say Jason's not one of my favorite characters. He
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  Speaker 2: kind of reminds me of a smarmy car salesman.
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  Speaker 1: M h.
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  Speaker 2: Nothing against the actor. I'm sure he's fine, but the
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  Speaker 2: character I don't necessarily love.
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  Speaker 1: You know, it's weird. He did try to sell me
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  Speaker 1: his used car once, like in real life. I'm kidding.
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  Speaker 1: I had a friend try to do that to me once.
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  Speaker 1: His wife was selling his car, said you want to
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  Speaker 1: buy my wist's kind of no, I'm not.
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  Speaker 2: It's funny. I'm really watching Malcolm in the Middle because
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  Speaker 2: you know, they just did a reboot and I got
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  Speaker 2: to this episode like day before yesterday, and this guy
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  Speaker 2: comes on and I'm like, where do I know him from?
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  Speaker 2: And it's the actor that played Jason Styles, this time
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  Speaker 2: playing a smarmy teacher. So that must be his thing.
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  Speaker 1: Look, it's hard to get work if you're good at something.
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  Speaker 1: If that's how you can come off, do it, you know.
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  Speaker 2: I think it was a cool move on the character's
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  Speaker 2: part two to run to your father's enemy in a
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  Speaker 2: sense and try to get one over on you Dad.
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  Speaker 1: Interesting storyline. I'm eager to see how this plays out.
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  Speaker 1: Even though I've seen it once, I don't remember how.
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  Speaker 1: I know it didn't end well no, and I don't
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  Speaker 1: know the specifics, but it did have something to do
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  Speaker 1: with deception, I believe. But it is it is an
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  Speaker 1: and Emily sees it. Emily sees this. She sees she
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  Speaker 1: sees the forest for the trees she does. She goes, man, Richard,
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  Speaker 1: what are you getting into? This is not something you
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  Speaker 1: want to touch?
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  Speaker 2: And you notice at the beginning she's gung hull about
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  Speaker 2: it all, and right there at the end.
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  Speaker 1: Well she she you know, she had her mind blown,
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  Speaker 1: wants to be in business with you. Why you know,
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  Speaker 1: not to insult Richard, but I mean, come on, this
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  Speaker 1: guy's playing the game. You can't. You can't touch this.
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  Speaker 1: Either way, it's bad. You know. The fallout is bad
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  Speaker 1: on Richard. If it's deception, it's really bad. If it
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  Speaker 1: isn't deception, it's just like he's getting in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of something that he doesn't want to be in the
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  Speaker 1: middle of.
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  Speaker 2: And I think Emily there at the end her reaction,
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  Speaker 2: she's clearly seeing her own relationship with Lorlaiah bit and
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  Speaker 2: being you know, bothered by the fact that Jason's motivated
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  Speaker 2: by angered his father, right right, So yeah, she's she's
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  Speaker 2: not on board there at the end.
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  Speaker 1: And it's it's almost a little odd that that Richard
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  Speaker 1: takes it on faith instead of doing a little good
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  Speaker 1: pardon the pun, digging, you know, making some calls to
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  Speaker 1: his contemporaries to see if there's some kind of a
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  Speaker 1: rupture over at that place between father and son, and
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  Speaker 1: you know, what are the real motives? I mean, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's just he just sort of takes it on faith,
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  Speaker 1: and oh, you know, you know, it's it's it's a
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  Speaker 1: bit I don't know, it's a bit of a stretch.
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  Speaker 1: Rory and Laurel I show up for Friday night dinner
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  Speaker 1: and Rory wants to tell them to butt out of
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  Speaker 1: her life. But you know, the kahon he's on this.
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  Speaker 2: Girl, right surprise, she doesn't do it.
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  Speaker 1: They're they're they're paying for my college, They've just furnished
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  Speaker 1: my dorm room, and now you're going to waltz into
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  Speaker 1: their house and say get out of my life.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, that's what about. You know, if this were a
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  Speaker 2: real show, I'm like so my rich parents want to
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  Speaker 2: pay for my college, buy me furniture, and all I
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  Speaker 2: got to do is go over for a fancy dinner
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  Speaker 2: once a week.
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  Speaker 1: What's the problem, right?
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  Speaker 2: You know, there's no conflict if there's no problem with that,
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  Speaker 2: right exactly.
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  Speaker 1: But instead of telling her to butt out, you know,
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  Speaker 1: as we have just discussed, Richard makes the big announcement
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  Speaker 1: he's going into business with Digger Styles, and then the
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  Speaker 1: argument starts between Richard Emily and then Carline makes these
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  Speaker 1: chicken sounds because chicken out. That was a good moment.
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  Speaker 1: And this is the danger of seeking revenge, right, You
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  Speaker 1: think Matt Richard's leaning too much into this feeling of
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  Speaker 1: wanting to get revenge considering going into business with Jason.
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  Speaker 2: I think so. I mean, I think Jason's willingness to
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  Speaker 2: pull one on his father. I think it's definitely motivating
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  Speaker 2: Richard to want to get a dose of victory over
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  Speaker 2: that same firm that kicked him out too, right, mm hmm.
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  Speaker 2: Is that the best reason to go into business with somebody?
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  Speaker 2: Probably not?
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh? All right, we as we discussed, we didn't
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  Speaker 1: get to visit stars Hollow at all in this I know,
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  Speaker 1: And where's Luke, he wasn't in it. How does that
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  Speaker 1: make you feel, Matt? This is a big issue.
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  Speaker 2: That's a big problem for me.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean was it like? What did you stand
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  Speaker 1: in front of the TV and just like, what's going
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  Speaker 1: on here? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: You missed, you missed, you know, the downtown, the diner.
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  Speaker 2: We got to see a teeny weeny little glimpse of
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  Speaker 2: Lane's college life. Poor Lane, as I said earlier, poor Marty,
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  Speaker 2: Poor Lane too. But yeah, the action was elsewhere this
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  Speaker 2: week it was elsewhere.
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  Speaker 1: Uh huh, All right, let's get into your very interesting
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  Speaker 1: book that you have written.
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  Speaker 2: Sure, what made you write it? To start at the beginning?
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  Speaker 2: About five years ago, I did this concept with The
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: Golden Girls, which is another show that has rapid fire
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  Speaker 2: or pop culture references, but not in the same league
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  Speaker 2: as this one. And even then at that time, I
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  Speaker 2: was like, Gilmore Girls would be perfect for this, but
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  Speaker 2: I was intimidated the idea because just this year volume right,
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  Speaker 2: So we set Gilmore Girls on the shelf for a while.
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  Speaker 2: Did Golden Girls. It did well, and I was watching
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  Speaker 2: the show again and I got to the scene, you know,
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  Speaker 2: the episode where Jess is cleaning out the gutters and
• 17:57
  Speaker 2: he makes a reference to You'll Gibbons, the guy that could,
• 18:02
  Speaker 2: uh what is it? Edible parts of a pine tree?
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  Speaker 2: And I was like, who is that? So I start
• 18:06
  Speaker 2: googling it like we all do, and I'm like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: I got to write that book. I got It's time
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  Speaker 2: to pull that idea off the shelf and see if
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  Speaker 2: we can make it work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, jol Gibbons was and when I was growing up,
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  Speaker 1: he did a ton of TV commercial for grape nuts cereal,
• 18:24
  Speaker 1: grape nuts cereal. He was always like standing by a tree, yep,
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  Speaker 1: grape nuts. It was Jule Gibbons.
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  Speaker 2: The whole You know, the book Instead of you watching
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  Speaker 2: and googling things while you're watching, the book is supposed
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  Speaker 2: to be your armchair companion so that you can follow
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: along and get all of these references as they're happening.
• 18:45
  Speaker 1: Did you go through Warner Brothers Consumer Products? Did you
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: get a license? Did you deal with Warner Brothers at all?
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Or did you just do it on your own?
• 18:56
  Speaker 2: I think I don't think so I'm with a publisher
• 18:59
  Speaker 2: coming and shoot or so, I don't they handle all that.
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: End of things. Let me see the let me see
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  Speaker 1: the cover. So if you're using a photo.
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: I don't know if you can see it. Yeah, you
• 19:08
  Speaker 2: have to get permission to use a photo for Yeah,
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: they they got.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: You got the they got the licensing because that's the
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: logo for the Well, it's the font of Gilmore Girls
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: is exactly like the font of the show. But I
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: think the Girls is a small G, not a large ge.
• 19:25
  Speaker 1: So maybe if you typically but still to use a
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: photo of those two as the character and the same font. Yeah,
• 19:33
  Speaker 1: I think you were probably that you Simon and Schuster
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: probably went through.
• 19:36
  Speaker 2: You get one from somewhere. I would love to see
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: a book full of photos, but you know that's expensive.
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: You can only afford one.
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you get it through Warner Brothers. Yeah. How long
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: did the book take to write? Given the sure volume
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: of Pine culture references?
• 19:54
  Speaker 2: I think I had about a year from signing contract
• 19:57
  Speaker 2: when it was due, and I think it took me
• 20:00
  Speaker 2: at least nine or ten months. So I did a
• 20:04
  Speaker 2: complete watch through with like a notepad and a pen
• 20:08
  Speaker 2: with captions on and I would write down everyone with
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: a timestamp and then so I did that all the
• 20:15
  Speaker 2: way through a year in a Life and then started
• 20:18
  Speaker 2: the writing process. After that it was tedious sometimes. You know,
• 20:26
  Speaker 2: one of my favorite characters was always lame, but once
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: she starts the band, they just start rattling off band
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: names left and right in rapid Fire.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: Is there one pop culture event or book or movie
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: or story that has referenced the most in this series
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: that's repeated throughout the series?
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: I wish I had a good answer for that. I
• 20:49
  Speaker 2: don't know. I knew in the Golden Girls one, which
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: one was. If I had to guess on this one,
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: and it's pertinent to this episode, it could be the
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: Lord of the Rings because that those movies were really hot.
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: Inn mm hmmm.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And there were a lot of repeat references to Lord
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: of the Rings things real characters and wet lands and yeah, okay,
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: so it could be that, you're curious the Golden Girls,
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: the most referenced thing was Burt Reynolds.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: Oh yeh, he was very popular.
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: He was in the eighties. Yeah, I'm going to guess
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: it was Lord of the Rings as an overall franchise.
• 21:22
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, So when did you discover
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: the show? When did you start watching it? Well, it
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: was on or or when it started streaming.
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: So I knew of it when it was on, but
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: I was in like college and in grad school and
• 21:36
  Speaker 2: then working, and I wasn't watching a ton of TV.
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: It wasn't until I guess reruns then streaming that I
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: just became as obsessed as the rest of the world
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: seems to be now.
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: So not in two thousand when it was out, you
• 21:50
  Speaker 1: didn't You didn't you weren't You were aware of it maybe,
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: but you didn't watch it?
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I would see it here and there
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: because that the WB and it was really popular network
• 21:59
  Speaker 2: at that time. But I hadn't, you know, completely succumbed
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: to its charms at that point.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: All right, So in this series, who do you relate to?
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: What character do you relate to the most?
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: And why character do I relate to? I mean, I
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: was certainly one of those teenagers who always had a book,
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: you know, and was very big on literature. In fact,
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: if I had to answer that question, I'd probably say
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Andrew the bookstore owner, because I owned a bookstore when
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not writing these books?
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: Is that right?
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: That's my answer? Andrew?
• 22:33
  Speaker 1: Do you do you show you own your own bookstore?
• 22:35
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: And do you have any French symbolist poetry authors Baudelaire, Rombau,
• 22:44
  Speaker 1: any of those people.
• 22:46
  Speaker 2: We do have a very large used poetry section.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: You do that.
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: I don't inventory, so I don't know what all's in there.
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: Oh boy. Yeah.
• 22:56
  Speaker 2: And one thing we do on our social media is
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: that we uh make recipes from cookbooks that we sell
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: in this store. So we're all very excited about your
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: upcoming cookbook.
• 23:06
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, thanks, Yeah, I am too. Yeah, it's uh,
• 23:10
  Speaker 1: it's uh it's on sale or pre sale now on Amazon,
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: so you can go go search it out. It's coming
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: out September eighth, So yeah, we're very excited about.
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: A lot of great stuff in there, a lot of
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: Luke's Diner stuff in there. Just just great recipes, really
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: really really great stuff. Matt. Since since you are a
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: super fan, you have to be considered a super fan.
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: You wrote a book about it, so you're a super fan.
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: I have a tattoo about it too.
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: There, you got a tattoo you want to see? Would
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: you want to see a reboot or another revival of
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: some sort of Gilmore Girls.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: The only answer to that is yes, right. I mean,
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: I liked Lauren Graham's idea of a Christmas movie just
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: to kind of drop in and see how everybody's doing.
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: And plus, I mean I have discovered there are people
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: in the fandom that didn't love a year in the life.
• 24:15
  Speaker 2: So let's come back and do it all again.
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, I like that. What do you think Luke and
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: Laureli would be today?
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: They would have to still be happily married. They deserve that.
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: But look, look what happened to Rory. Yeah in the
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: in the Netflix episodes, right, I mean that those two
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: like two pieces in a pod and then all of
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, she's she's crymed for success and
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: then not so much.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she was a little bit adrift there. I would
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: love to see where she's at now.
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: You know, you can't break up Luke and Laurelai. You
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: just you can't do it.
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: At this point, what are we twenty five years into
• 24:54
  Speaker 2: this thing?
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: Six?
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: They deserve happiness, they deserve Yeah, you hit the.
• 25:00
  Speaker 1: Order censory, you just want to take a knee.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: Right, I mean, I know on television, you know, conflict
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: is the engine that you're run on. But yeah, but
• 25:10
  Speaker 2: to find it somewhere else.
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: I've seen many a show that got rid of the
• 25:16
  Speaker 1: core relationship, the core husband, the core wife for whatever reason.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: You know, it's it's it's a it's a salary dispute,
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: it's whatever, and it destroys the show. What about Rory?
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Where is she today? She married, and she's married. Who's
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: she married to? Matt?
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess it was Logan's baby. Here's my
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: thing about that, Okay, Right, Sometimes it depends on the
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: context of the question as to which boyfriend quote unquote
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: was best, because I thought, I'm team Jass. But the
• 25:52
  Speaker 2: person they turned Rory into, she was really digging the
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: life that Logan was providing to her. I think she
• 25:59
  Speaker 2: was a little more like in the E then Lora
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: Lie in a lot of ways. So I don't know.
• 26:02
  Speaker 2: Maybe she's with Logan.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the chickens come home to roost and yeah,
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: and that is it's just DNA. Yeah. Plus I do
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: I have a theory about this, and I think she's
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: much better off with Logan because if you think about
• 26:19
  Speaker 1: it in terms of worst case scenario, Matt and you
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: hypothetically marry off Rory to each one of these these
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: boys or these young men, and you think of it
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: in the most pessimistic sense of it, where there's a
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: divorce on all threes because all three cheated, which I
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: think is highly likely two kids in ten years out.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Then the best divorced settlement comes from Logan And that's
• 26:46
  Speaker 1: my cynical viewpoint on it. And I think that's good
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: for r and a sweet revenge against mitcham Huntsberger who
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: you know. There you get in effect, you know, put
• 26:57
  Speaker 1: a real crimp in her style, I would say. Anyway,
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: and do fans know your book? Do you did you
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: go on a book tour with your with your book.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: I'm on it right now. So the book just came
• 27:13
  Speaker 2: out in March. Yeah, so it's really new. I did.
• 27:16
  Speaker 2: I did a few pre events as early back as
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: last fall, but then it's kicking in the gear right.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Now and the fans showing up.
• 27:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've been to New Orleans. I've been to
• 27:30
  Speaker 2: where have I been to? I have some coming up
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: here pretty soon. The most of the Gilmore events are
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: fall right so I've got a few of those that
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: I'm already tied to. So I'm looking forward to getting
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: out there more. But people have already found it.
• 27:46
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, good deal, Matt, thanks for coming on. Everybody,
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: go get his book. Gilmore Girls, Pop Culture reference guide, Matt,
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: Thank you so much for your time. Remember best fans
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: on the planet. Keep those cards and letters. Uh, and
• 28:01
  Speaker 1: where you lead, we will follow. Stay safe Everybody dot Hey, everybody,
• 28:33
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