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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and SMITHA. I'm welcome to stuff
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Speaker 1: and I Never Told You a productive of iHeartRadio. And
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Speaker 1: for today's classic, we are bringing back a book club
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Speaker 1: we did on the book Pride, which so Pride and
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Speaker 1: Prejudice kind of remix that we really enjoyed. It's really good,
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Speaker 1: and you know it's February. We didn't do a lot
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Speaker 1: of Valentine's content. Hell, what did you talk about? No
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Speaker 1: terrible things, so I thought we would bring this one in.
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Speaker 1: And also, I've just been seeing it a lot. I
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Speaker 1: think maybe because the Wuthering Heights movie came out, but
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Speaker 1: I've been seeing that quote at the beginning that you
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Speaker 1: were like, this is the quote Annie, everybody, yes, yes, yes, yes,
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Speaker 1: So I learned a lot and I enjoyed this book,
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Speaker 1: so please enjoy this classic episode. Hey, this is Sanny
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Speaker 1: and Samantha and welcome to steffan Never Told You projection
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Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, and welcome to another edition of book Club.
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Speaker 1: This month, we are reading Eb's a Boys twenty nineteen
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Speaker 1: novel Pride, a Pride and Prejudice remix which he has
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Speaker 1: us to take on Pride and prejudice in our modern
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Speaker 1: day with black and Afro LATINX characters. The author also
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Speaker 1: draws on personal experience. She grew up in Bushwick, which
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Speaker 1: is a big part for the story takes place and
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Speaker 1: has Haitian roots, like the main character. So I'm very
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Speaker 1: very excited about this because I have never read Pride
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Speaker 1: and Prejudice. I have seen did we not do Frides?
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Speaker 2: Yeah?
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Speaker 1: Because it was much shorter. Yeah.
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Speaker 2: Well, I'm about to back up and make you read
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Speaker 2: Pride and Prejudice.
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Speaker 1: Now I'm annoyed. I love this, and I know you
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Speaker 1: have strong opinions about like the film and TV adaption.
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Speaker 1: I do opinions, yes, So I'm very very excited. This
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Speaker 1: is gonna be fun because I'm gonna I'm going to
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Speaker 1: break down the plot of the book and then I'm
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Speaker 1: going to ask Samantha to tell me the comparison. I'm
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Speaker 1: very very excited. Also, I really want to read Zavoi's
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Speaker 1: other other works. We had kind of a list of
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Speaker 1: what we were choosing for this month, and she had
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Speaker 1: another one on there that I really wanted to do
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Speaker 1: because she's written a graphic novel on Octavia Butler. She's
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Speaker 1: also written for Marvel's Black Panther. She did a whole
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Speaker 1: thing about Acoyer coming to the United States, so hopefully
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Speaker 1: we can come back in the future.
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Speaker 2: So when we were talking about books for this month,
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Speaker 2: I forgot about this, but I had seen someone I
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Speaker 2: think post it talking about this book and her doing it,
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Speaker 2: and I was so excited. So when Annie reminded me, like, hey,
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Speaker 2: this is an optional, was like, oh, yes, immediately, yes,
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Speaker 2: we need to do this one because I love good
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Speaker 2: adaptations anyway, and I do this was a good adaptation.
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Speaker 2: And before we start, let's do a quote from the
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Speaker 2: author about the original. Yes, as we all have to
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Speaker 2: give homage to thank you to the great literary figure
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Speaker 2: Jane Austen for writing and publishing Pride and Prejudice in
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Speaker 2: eighteen thirteen. Amidst everything that was happening in her world
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Speaker 2: at the time, Austin gifted us with a story about
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Speaker 2: not only love, but class, expectations, and a woman's place
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Speaker 2: in the world, even as she, a woman in nineteenth
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Speaker 2: century England, had the audacity to write, observe, and speak
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Speaker 2: truth to power with such wit, humor and grace. And
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Speaker 2: that's what I have to keep telling. Like one of
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Speaker 2: my good guy friends we read this. We had a
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Speaker 2: small like three person book club, and this was I
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Speaker 2: think at the beginning of our book book club because
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Speaker 2: we had to talk about the fact that, yes, people
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Speaker 2: think of it as women's romance today and knowing that
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Speaker 2: in eighteen thirteen she was talking about being single and
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Speaker 2: daring to choose who to love and marry and really
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Speaker 2: like giving it back to society and having a conversation
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Speaker 2: about the fact that she could talk back and did
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Speaker 2: talk back to anyone and everyone, including you know, people
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Speaker 2: who were of royal heritage.
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Speaker 1: So it was really lovely.
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Speaker 2: And the fact that she was such an icon in
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Speaker 2: that level that she dare speak her opinions got to
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Speaker 2: get a kudos.
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Speaker 3: So this book was genius.
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Speaker 1: Yes, and I believe I saw today some I've seen
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Speaker 1: it before, but like a viral post where someone was like,
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Speaker 1: just remember Jane Austen was self published and she also,
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Speaker 1: you know, I gotta say it, she was one of
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Speaker 1: the first She had fan fiction writers of her work,
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Speaker 1: so it was a very like consequential work. And this
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Speaker 1: was a very fun update of it, even though I
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Speaker 1: haven't read the original, so I got a different experience.
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Speaker 1: But correct that I love it. I'm ready, but okay,
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Speaker 1: I'm going to run through the plot of this this
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Speaker 1: book real quick. So it centers on Afro Latina teenager
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Speaker 1: and proud Bushwick resident Zuri Benitez. She grew up in
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Speaker 1: an apartment with her parents and her sisters and a
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Speaker 1: sort of matchmaker named Madrina. Zuri's extremely proud and fond
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Speaker 1: of her neighborhood. She's outspoken about any gentrification. She's also
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Speaker 1: worried excited about the possibility of attending historically black university,
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Speaker 1: Howard University in Washington, d C. So the novel begins
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Speaker 1: with the family preparing for the return of the oldest sister, Janney,
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Speaker 1: who has been away at Syracuse and is the first
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Speaker 1: in the family to go to college. So at the
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Speaker 1: same time, a once broken down house across the street
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Speaker 1: has gotten a massive makeover, further stoking Zuri's concerns about gentrification,
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Speaker 1: and a rich black family with the last name Darcy
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Speaker 1: moves in and uh oh, the two black boys about
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Speaker 1: Zeri's age are hot. There are a lot the girls
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Speaker 1: go to introduce themselves just as Janay arrives and it's
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Speaker 1: clear Janey has a connection with Annsley, one of the
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Speaker 1: Darcy brothers. Zuri is resistant to these connections to the
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Speaker 1: connection between Annsley and Janey, in particular because she doesn't
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Speaker 1: want to lose what little time she has with her sister,
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Speaker 1: and thinking that these boys will never understand where they
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Speaker 1: as a family comes from. So Zuri is immediately turned
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Speaker 1: off by the closed off Darius Darcy. She's just like
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Speaker 1: this guy's no good. I don't like him. A lot
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Speaker 1: of drama unfolds. Zuri's family throws regular block parties for
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Speaker 1: the community, and Darius seems to look down his nose
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Speaker 1: at the whole thing. Zuri pretty much chaperone's a date
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Speaker 1: with Janey and Annsley, still not approving of this match,
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Speaker 1: but ends up with Darius after the two go their
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Speaker 1: own way and they spar about their differences class and experience,
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Speaker 1: with Zuri informing him you can never understand. And through this,
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Speaker 1: she meets a guy named Warren, who she views as
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Speaker 1: more hood and goes with him in a seeming attempt
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Speaker 1: to prove a point and perhaps make Darius jealous. Zuri
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Speaker 1: agrees to chill with Warren, refraining from saying that they
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Speaker 1: are going on dates. Warren tells her that he and
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Speaker 1: Darius used to be friends and implies that Darius sort
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Speaker 1: of romanticized hood life. Warren won a scholarship as a
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Speaker 1: child to a fancy private school where Darius was going,
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Speaker 1: but eventually he grew bored of it and it got
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Speaker 1: him suspended somehow. The story's kind of murky, and this
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Speaker 1: only solidifies Zuri's opinions of Darius, like, okay, I knew it.
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Speaker 1: Then the Benita's family is invited to the Darcis for
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Speaker 1: a fancy cocktail party, and at this party, Darius overhears
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Speaker 1: Zuri's younger sister basically joking about wanting to bag a
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Speaker 1: Brinch fan. And then Darius goes to speak with his
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Speaker 1: brother Annsley, who then breaks up with Janey, leaving her heartbroken,
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Speaker 1: which only further enrages Zuri. She and Warren have another
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Speaker 1: chill hangout thing, something she is pretty much trying to
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Speaker 1: hide from her very very nosy family. Very when you're
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Speaker 1: going to get a man family, and they're texting regularly
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Speaker 1: by this point her and Warren. Zuri admits to Janey
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Speaker 1: she's worried about her future about leaving Bushwick for Howard
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Speaker 1: what if she doesn't like it? So Janey purchases her
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Speaker 1: around trip ticket on a bus so she can visit
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Speaker 1: the campus. Zuri immediately loves it there and is unashamed
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Speaker 1: of how much she wants to get in. When she
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Speaker 1: learns one of the professors performs at a local place
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Speaker 1: called Busboy and Poets, she goes and performs one of
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Speaker 1: her poems. The whole book is kind of interspersed with
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Speaker 1: her poems. Only, surprise, surprise, Darius is there with his
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Speaker 1: younger sister and his up type friend, Carrie, who Zuri
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Speaker 1: believes he is dating. Georgia convinces Zuri to come with
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Speaker 1: them to get chili dogs, and then Darius offers her
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Speaker 1: ride back to Bushwick that night. Zuri reluctantly agrees, since
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Speaker 1: she has now missed her return bus. However, this means
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Speaker 1: a Losstter dinner with the paternal Darcy grandmother, who interrogates
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Speaker 1: Zuri and judges her and her neighborhood. Zuri like fights
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Speaker 1: right back and furiously calls her out and decides to
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Speaker 1: take the later bus instead of going back with Darius,
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Speaker 1: but he basically forgets to drive her to the bus stop.
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Speaker 1: They argue about music. He tells her that he was
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Speaker 1: glad she stood up to his grandmother and Eventually they
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Speaker 1: stop to get a bite to eat, or he tells
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Speaker 1: her he is very impressed with her, and one thing
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Speaker 1: leads to another and they kiss. Zuri is feeling more
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Speaker 1: laid back with Darius until they get closer to Bushwick
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Speaker 1: and Darius judges Warren and feeling like he once again
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Speaker 1: proved her right, Zuri agrees to meet with Warren the
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Speaker 1: next day, only to get a frantic string of texts
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Speaker 1: from Darius telling her that Warren had taken sexy pictures
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Speaker 1: of his sister when she was underage and ruined her
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Speaker 1: reputation basically, which is why she was living with her grandmother. So,
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Speaker 1: once again furious, Zuri ends it with Warren then in
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Speaker 1: there and agrees to start over with Darius. So she
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Speaker 1: and Darius go on a kind of a not date
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Speaker 1: where they talk about everything and anything generally have a
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Speaker 1: good time, good enough, but she agrees to go on
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Speaker 1: a real date with him to a party. However, Zuri
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Speaker 1: feels out of place and abandoned at this party. It's
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Speaker 1: mostly rich white people and she doesn't like how Darius
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Speaker 1: acts around them. She has an argument with him and
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Speaker 1: then they agree to leave, only to turn back after
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Speaker 1: she sees a picture of her younger sister on social
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Speaker 1: media at the party with Warren, so they immediately turn
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Speaker 1: around and find her sister wasted, but okay. Carrie had
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Speaker 1: made sure that the same thing that had happened to
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Speaker 1: Dari's sister didn't happen to Zuri's sister. After a confrontation
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Speaker 1: with Warren, Darius fighting like a real fight, Zuri yelling,
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Speaker 1: they go back to the Darcy households so Zuri's younger
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Speaker 1: sister can sober up. Before they return home, Darius shows
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Speaker 1: her around, They have some heart to hearts about judgment
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Speaker 1: and being wrong about each other, and then they kiss again.
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Speaker 1: Sirens across the street break the moment. The woman who
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Speaker 1: lived on the lower floor, Madrina, who Zuri often went
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Speaker 1: to for advice, had died, and with her gone, Zuri's
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Speaker 1: father agrees to sell the apartment, much to Zuri's heartbreak,
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Speaker 1: so they moved to a place with more space, but
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Speaker 1: it is more quiet, it's not as neighborly. Janney gets
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Speaker 1: back with Annsley. Darius revealed he had been the one
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Speaker 1: to convince him that he should break up with Janney,
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Speaker 1: and it's implied he's the one that convince him he
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Speaker 1: was wrong about the whole thing. Zuri keeps dating Darius
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Speaker 1: and visits him in her old neighborhood, where he the
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Speaker 1: artist that he is, has put their initials in the concrete,
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Speaker 1: saying that they'll be forever. She finishes her college essay,
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Speaker 1: and that's about the end.
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Speaker 4: Nicely done, thank you, Yes, so Samantha, Yes, tell me
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Speaker 4: give me some comparison notes.
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Speaker 2: She did great. She followed along with it perfectly. Now,
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Speaker 2: when it's a new rendition, I don't expect it to
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Speaker 2: be the same. If you're telling me you're taking a
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Speaker 2: movie from the book, and then there's already an amazing movie,
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Speaker 2: and then you puck up the movie, I'm gonna be pissed.
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Speaker 2: AKA the version with Cara Knightley. Hate it, hate it
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Speaker 2: to this day, hate it always. But it's okay whatever.
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Speaker 2: But when you have new renditions, now, I've never read that.
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Speaker 2: I think we had a long conversation when we were
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Speaker 2: talking about Pride Prejudice in general. I didn't read Pride
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Speaker 2: and Prejudice and Zombies. I was told that I should
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Speaker 2: read that. So I think we may have to do
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Speaker 2: like some features on both. Maybe we should do Pine
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Speaker 2: prejuice and zombies for like spooky season.
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Speaker 1: I don't know.
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Speaker 2: And then have another comparison because essentially a friend of
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Speaker 2: mine who we read the books together, he was like, no,
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Speaker 2: you should read it.
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Speaker 1: I think you'll enjoy it. This goofy's good.
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Speaker 2: I was like, okay, okay, and I think it turned
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Speaker 2: into a movie, but I'm scared of that anyway. But
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Speaker 2: for the comparison, yes, she of course had the dar
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Speaker 2: season there she asked, had the Bennetts, but the switching
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Speaker 2: of the last name. She did have, of course, several
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Speaker 2: of the key characters. And there we've got Georgiana, which
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Speaker 2: is Georgia here she's a lovely sister. We have Colin,
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Speaker 2: who is the cousin in the book, and he comes
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Speaker 2: to try to marry one of the sisters to keep
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Speaker 2: the inheritance essentially in the home and the estate, and
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Speaker 2: he's an awful person and everybody trus to their void.
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Speaker 2: We have the best friend who ends up with Colin.
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Speaker 2: So the flip here is that he is related to
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Speaker 2: the mentor Madrina figure who you it's not that way,
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Speaker 2: And she kind of splits two characters because the grandmother
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Speaker 2: in the book and Madrina, I think represent kind of
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Speaker 2: one character like several characters rather but have like overlapping,
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Speaker 2: which is to be expected. I loved her portrayal of
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Speaker 2: the parents in this one because the parents in the
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Speaker 2: Pride and Prejudice.
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Speaker 3: Are really kind of like like.
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Speaker 2: The very beginning is how they how Elizabeth talks about
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Speaker 2: the fact that the marriage is awful, it is pretense,
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Speaker 2: and not to marry someone you don't like. Uh, that's
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Speaker 2: kind of the lesson she learns from her parents. So
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Speaker 2: in this one she flips in and I really adore it.
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Speaker 2: The relationship with the father is right on with all
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Speaker 2: the books, and like loving her daughter, loving his daughter,
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Speaker 2: wanted to protect his daughter, rite on love that the grandmother,
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Speaker 2: and this character would have been the aunt who's trying
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Speaker 2: to match make her sickly daughter to Darcy, but you know,
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Speaker 2: everything flips so she They do a great job with that.
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Speaker 2: The girlfriend that's not the girlfriend to Darcy is obviously
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Speaker 2: one of the sisters that are awful in the book,
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Speaker 2: so great with that. I think I was wondering how
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Speaker 2: they were going to take that whole bad guy Wickham,
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Speaker 2: which is Warren here is the bad dude who lies
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Speaker 2: and tries to slander people. But in the actual book,
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Speaker 2: in the Jane Austen's book, he actually runs away with
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Speaker 2: the youngest sister, causing a whole scandal because they have
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Speaker 2: obviously spent the night together, that's the implication, and if
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Speaker 2: they don't get married, it's a huge scandal. They will
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Speaker 2: all be ostracized, which is the fear of that's point
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Speaker 2: in time. But Darcy makes them get married, essentially about
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Speaker 2: promising the money and all this stuff. So I was
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Speaker 2: wondering how they handled that situation because obviously for a
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Speaker 2: modern day novel, to have thirteen year old girl run
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Speaker 2: away with like an eighteen year old boy not so great.
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Speaker 1: So I like the way she flipped that.
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Speaker 2: I like the way they she because I was wondering
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Speaker 2: as the story began and Warren was introduced him, like
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Speaker 2: how are they How is she going to do this,
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Speaker 2: because that's gonna be a real, real sketch. But the
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Speaker 2: fact that he did the whole photos, which is so
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Speaker 2: like on point with today in modern technology, I was like, Yes,
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Speaker 2: good job, great job, great telling of the story, makes
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Speaker 2: it new, made it interesting. I love the text because
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Speaker 2: in again the book, Darcy writes a letter to defend
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Speaker 2: himself and his actions against Wickham so like, and she
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Speaker 2: Readson all these things, so it's it's obviously a play
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Speaker 2: on that, which is which was brilliant in itself. The fighting.
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Speaker 2: Of course, it also made that same sense. So yeah,
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Speaker 2: I think the book did a great job. I love
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Speaker 2: the new interpretations. I really was wanting to see the
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Speaker 2: after word, I guess after I thought of the I
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Speaker 2: wanted her to be in college. I wanted to know
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Speaker 2: she made to Howard. I needed to know she was
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Speaker 2: at Howard because it kind of just left it as is.
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Speaker 2: But I think it's fantastic. Again, this is taking an
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Speaker 2: adult idea because obviously all this was the societal idea
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Speaker 2: that you had to be married before twenty and if
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Speaker 2: you're not your old spinster, because in the book, the
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Speaker 2: Elizabeth is twenty five. So having them being teenagers and
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Speaker 2: flipping out like that was very interesting. Having them sell
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Speaker 2: the house that was obviously very different and trying to
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Speaker 2: raise their situation up very different as well. But of
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Speaker 2: course it's on par with the conversations about gentrification in
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Speaker 2: general and just having to adjust to society as it
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Speaker 2: is and what that looks like, especially if something's being
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Speaker 2: sold as the building was being sold. It is implied
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Speaker 2: that eventually that the Bennetts and Pride and Prejudice would
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Speaker 2: have to move when the father dies, So maybe that
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Speaker 2: was just kind of a step ahead. But yeah, I
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Speaker 2: think she did an amazing job with this book. She
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Speaker 2: gave it all of its like flowers and giving us
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Speaker 2: so much credit to Jade Austen's characters that were developed,
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Speaker 2: but put on great spin and originality to it that
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Speaker 2: I'm like ready to see this as a.
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Speaker 3: Movie in itself.
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Speaker 2: I'm like, yeah, show me this as a Netflix special
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Speaker 2: for teen dramas, let's go.
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Speaker 1: I love it. I love that we had such a
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Speaker 1: different experience because you know, I was just like and
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Speaker 1: I really enjoyed it, but I didn't have the same
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Speaker 1: like ooh who is this? How can I compare them
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Speaker 1: to this? Yeah?
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Speaker 2: It was a beautiful was like, oh look at that,
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Speaker 2: Look at this, because like the aunt in the book
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Speaker 2: would have been again the mentor here and like having
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Speaker 2: that different types of religion and like coming through it
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Speaker 2: was like, Okay, I like this, come on.
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Speaker 1: Yeah it was really good. And like you said, I too.
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Speaker 1: When I got to the end, I was like, oh no, wait,
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Speaker 1: what happened? Sort of just kind of like implied she's
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Speaker 1: gonna try to like make this relationship work and hopefully
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Speaker 1: she'll get into Howard, but it does end before you know,
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Speaker 1: and she's in this new neighborhood, so it's it's a
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Speaker 1: lot of like nebulous, like let's try it and see
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Speaker 1: if this works, right, and it does. Once again, I
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Speaker 1: kind of hate this, but it's true. A lot of
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Speaker 1: times we do have to pick shorter books because our
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Speaker 1: schedules so packed. But it packs a lot in in
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Speaker 1: those like three hundred pages, right, and it's told really well.
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Speaker 2: And by the way, if you listen to the audio version,
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Speaker 2: which I did, the author gave a lot of kudos
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Speaker 2: to the voice actor because she felt like she hit
19:38
Speaker 2: it right on the head. At one point, I will say,
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Speaker 2: my partner was like, is this Cardi B? And I
19:42
Speaker 2: was like, well, she does have that bronx New York
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Speaker 2: Latino accent, so I hear what you're saying, but no,
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Speaker 2: this is not Cardi B.
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Speaker 1: Calm down. Whoever the voice actor was, the narrator was,
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Speaker 1: she did a great gues They like Cardi B.
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Speaker 3: It's pretty good.
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Speaker 1: So there are a couple of key themes in this
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Speaker 1: but when I was going back over this outline, a
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Speaker 1: lot of them intersect, which it was true for most
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Speaker 1: of our book clubs. But I was just reading this
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Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, that could fit here, and
20:25
Speaker 1: that could fit here. So just keep that in mind.
20:28
Speaker 1: But one of the big ones is gentrification. It starts
20:32
Speaker 1: out with kind of the author the narrator's thoughts on gentrification.
20:38
Speaker 1: Here's a quote. It's a truth universally acknowledged that when
20:41
Speaker 1: rich people move into the hood where it's a little
20:44
Speaker 1: bit broken and a little bit forgotten, the first thing
20:47
Speaker 1: they want to do is clean it up. But it's
20:49
Speaker 1: not just the junkie stuff they'll get rid of. People
20:52
Speaker 1: can be thrown away too, like last night's trash left
20:54
Speaker 1: out on sidewalks, or push the edge of wherever all
20:57
Speaker 1: broken things go. What those rich people do I don't
21:00
Speaker 1: always know is that broken and forgot neighborhoods were first
21:03
Speaker 1: built out of love. I just can't stress enough, like
21:08
Speaker 1: how important this neighborhood is tossuri and how big a
21:12
Speaker 1: part it is. Right of the book, right it has culture.
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Speaker 2: But I just wanted to put a note that first line,
21:19
Speaker 2: as the truth universally acknowledge is a Jane Austin line.
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Speaker 1: Oh so sheep that up. Yeah. See, I love this,
21:28
Speaker 1: I'm learning more. I love it. And here's another quote
21:31
Speaker 1: that I thought was really pretty. Anybody who's been in
21:33
Speaker 1: Bushwick long enough is like a musician, and when they leave,
21:36
Speaker 1: we lose the sound. So it's kind of a lot
21:40
Speaker 1: of the build up what makes the neighborhood the people,
21:45
Speaker 1: the like Bodega's and what they sell and all of
21:48
Speaker 1: that stuff, and so a part of that is also
21:51
Speaker 1: the community. So they have like these big block parties
21:54
Speaker 1: that all the neighbors know each other like. It's a
21:57
Speaker 1: very communal connected area neighborhood. So when the Darcys come in,
22:03
Speaker 1: they kind of disrupt that way in Zuri's mind, especially
22:07
Speaker 1: when Darius seems to be like, I don't like this
22:11
Speaker 1: bt Dubs.
22:12
Speaker 2: In the book, they have a lot of balls and dances,
22:15
Speaker 2: and this is in his comparison. So when they have
22:18
Speaker 2: the cocktail party scene, that is when Bingley is a
22:23
Speaker 2: rich family that comes in. So in the original version,
22:25
Speaker 2: Darcy is a friend of Bingley and Bingley is the
22:28
Speaker 2: one that's moving in with all the money, which is
22:29
Speaker 2: the one that loves the older sister. But here we
22:32
Speaker 2: have those siblings instead, so there's no Bingley, but Bingley
22:36
Speaker 2: finally hosts the party. It's so over the top fancy that,
22:39
Speaker 2: but it's that same level of like embarrassment, exact.
22:42
Speaker 3: Same scene the cocktail party.
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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that was very awkward. Indeed. I'll also say
22:51
Speaker 1: like there was a lot of stuff around food in
22:53
Speaker 1: this that I really enjoyed a lot of descriptions of
22:58
Speaker 1: making food, of sharing food. Especially the mother of the
23:02
Speaker 1: Benita's family would just make a ton of food for
23:06
Speaker 1: these parties and it was very It's like, oh that
23:09
Speaker 1: sounds delicious. Yeah.
23:10
Speaker 2: The Haitian plus uh Dominican mm hmm culture. She's like,
23:16
Speaker 2: I blend both of Like, yes, I want that is
23:19
Speaker 2: that every Saturday?
23:22
Speaker 1: Pretty much?
23:22
Speaker 3: Please someone give me this.
23:25
Speaker 1: So here's another quote, kind of going off that first one.
23:29
Speaker 1: My neighborhood is made of love, but it's money and
23:31
Speaker 1: buildings and food and jobs that keep it alive. And
23:33
Speaker 1: even I have to admit that the new people moving
23:36
Speaker 1: in with their extra money and dreams can sometimes make
23:38
Speaker 1: things better. We'll have to figure out a way to
23:40
Speaker 1: make both sides of Bushwick work so throughout, like I said,
23:43
Speaker 1: she's doing Zuri's writing these poems and she's trying to
23:48
Speaker 1: figure out her essay she's going to submit to get
23:52
Speaker 1: into Howard, and a lot of it has to do
23:54
Speaker 1: with her thoughts on the neighborhood, on gentrifrication, and then
24:00
Speaker 1: like on the dudes in her life also family. But
24:04
Speaker 1: it's like you get to see her work through her
24:06
Speaker 1: thoughts through these like maybe I'll she yeah. At one
24:10
Speaker 1: point she even suggests like I'll just send in a
24:12
Speaker 1: bunch of poems to Howard, and her sister is like no,
24:17
Speaker 1: Janey is like I don't know. But it is a
24:21
Speaker 1: cool like narrative device where we get to kind of
24:24
Speaker 1: see her raw thoughts. Yeah.
24:29
Speaker 2: Of course another thing is family, coming of age and
24:32
Speaker 2: all the changes. Here's quote. I recognize that look. It's
24:36
Speaker 2: that same look people used to give us when Mama
24:38
Speaker 2: would get on a crowded train with a double stroller
24:41
Speaker 2: holding the twins me, Mansoul and Janet, with our messy hair,
24:44
Speaker 2: running noses, and each with a bag of chips to
24:47
Speaker 2: keep us occupied while Mama quieted down the babies. It's
24:50
Speaker 2: the look that assumes that Mama is a single mother,
24:53
Speaker 2: that she's on government assistance, that she beats us when
24:55
Speaker 2: she's tired, that we all have different fathers, that we
24:58
Speaker 2: live in the projects and that ghetto. Everybody used to
25:01
Speaker 2: look at us like that, white black, other mothers with
25:04
Speaker 2: kids who thought they were being responsible by only having
25:06
Speaker 2: two or three. I'd look back at them with defiance
25:09
Speaker 2: and a little pride, a look that says that I
25:12
Speaker 2: love my family, and we may be messy and loud,
25:15
Speaker 2: but we're all together and we love each other. That's
25:17
Speaker 2: when I've perfected my Bushwick mean mug.
25:20
Speaker 1: Yeah, her kind of resistance to change I think a
25:25
Speaker 1: lot of us can relate to. Because she was scared
25:30
Speaker 1: of it. She was scared like what if I don't
25:31
Speaker 1: like Howard? What if I don't?
25:33
Speaker 4: You know?
25:34
Speaker 1: She because of these moments where she had been so
25:37
Speaker 1: proud and so protective and rightfully so, she had formed
25:42
Speaker 1: this like, well, we can't mess that up, we can't
25:44
Speaker 1: break that up, Like what will that mean? And you know,
25:46
Speaker 1: she does go to Howard and she loves it, but
25:49
Speaker 1: it's still kind of frightening. It's still like, well then
25:55
Speaker 1: what will happen if so long I've kind of divined
25:58
Speaker 1: myself through this, you're like protecting this. So I thought
26:04
Speaker 1: that was a great through line throughout. Here's another quote.
26:10
Speaker 1: He lets go with me and shakes his head. I
26:12
Speaker 1: don't know yet, but we'll find somewhere. This is what
26:15
Speaker 1: happens in life. You take the good with the bad.
26:17
Speaker 1: This money is good, us leaving is bad, or taking
26:20
Speaker 1: it because it's a blessing. So this is what her
26:22
Speaker 1: father says when they have to move out and she's
26:25
Speaker 1: so upset. Which that whole I mean that moving is terrible.
26:32
Speaker 1: Moving is terrible in general, if you're moving from a
26:34
Speaker 1: neighborhood that is so important to you, and that you
26:37
Speaker 1: have these strong neighborly connections and thoughts about gentrification. And
26:45
Speaker 1: now you've got the guy across the street, which, by
26:47
Speaker 1: the way, that happened to me once when I was young,
26:49
Speaker 1: not like this. We never worked out, but there was
26:51
Speaker 1: a hot guy.
26:52
Speaker 3: That moved across the street.
26:54
Speaker 1: I was like, Wow, maybe this is my whole future.
27:00
Speaker 3: You had a fantasy about this, Huh?
27:02
Speaker 1: I did? He played? He would be outside playing basketball
27:05
Speaker 1: and I'd be like, oh my god, that was nothing.
27:09
Speaker 1: So did you have like it was really far.
27:12
Speaker 3: I lived in the woods.
27:13
Speaker 2: I still live in the woods technically, like there's suburbs
27:16
Speaker 2: around me, but you can't see each other. We're not
27:18
Speaker 2: We're not walking on the street to go get sugar
27:20
Speaker 2: from each other because it's like a two lane road
27:23
Speaker 2: in the.
27:24
Speaker 3: Woods with no lights. Don't go there.
27:29
Speaker 1: Well, when I first moved to my place, my home
27:32
Speaker 1: that I mostly grew up in, there was nothing. It
27:35
Speaker 1: was like gravel road nothing, and I wouldn't say it gentrified,
27:42
Speaker 1: but it got like much more crowded. The roads got paved,
27:46
Speaker 1: and so this guy moving across the street was pretty
27:50
Speaker 1: like late in my time having been there, it was
27:54
Speaker 1: marked change. Pretty sure he was a jerk, So I'm
27:58
Speaker 1: glad it didn't work out anyway. End the story. That's
28:02
Speaker 1: all you needed, I'm pretty sure. But then again, who knows.
28:06
Speaker 1: Given a story, I could have been being judgmental where
28:09
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have been.
28:11
Speaker 3: You would have a prejudice.
28:13
Speaker 1: That's right. Here's another quote. I have always thought of
28:19
Speaker 1: Bushwick as home, but in that moment, I realized that
28:21
Speaker 1: home is where the people I love are, wherever that is. Yeah,
28:25
Speaker 1: which I just loved.
28:26
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a good line. And another one.
28:29
Speaker 2: This college is a lifeboat and a lifeline, But my
28:32
Speaker 2: neighborhood is not flooding or splitting in half. It's being
28:35
Speaker 2: cleaned up and wiped out. It's being polished and a race.
28:38
Speaker 2: So where do I reach back and pull out memories
28:40
Speaker 2: as if they've been safely tucked away into a trunk
28:42
Speaker 2: or an attic like the people on TV who have
28:45
Speaker 2: enough time and too much space. Where do I call home?
28:49
Speaker 2: Where can I place a layer of brick to use
28:51
Speaker 2: as my platform and hold my head up high to
28:53
Speaker 2: raise my voice and my fist. Sometimes love is not
28:56
Speaker 2: enough to keep a community together. There needs to be
28:59
Speaker 2: something more tangible, like fair housing, opportunities and access to resources.
29:03
Speaker 2: Life Boats and lifelines are not supposed to just be
29:06
Speaker 2: away for us to get out. They should be ways
29:08
Speaker 2: to let us state and survive and thrive.
29:12
Speaker 1: Well that was a great quot too, Yeah, of like
29:15
Speaker 1: not using it to get out, but using it to stay. Also,
29:20
Speaker 1: sisterhood is pretty important throughout this. She does have a
29:23
Speaker 1: lot of sisters. Here's a quote. If Madrina's basement is
29:27
Speaker 1: where the timboras, loso spiritos and old ancestral memories live,
29:31
Speaker 1: then the roof is where wind chimes, dreams and possibilities
29:34
Speaker 1: float with the stars, where Jenna and I share our
29:37
Speaker 1: secrets and plan to travel all over the world, Haiti
29:40
Speaker 1: and the Dominican Republic being our first stop. So yeah,
29:43
Speaker 1: her and Janee have a really close bond. And again,
29:47
Speaker 1: I really did appreciate kind of the because I totally
29:50
Speaker 1: get it too. And we've talked about this. When you
29:53
Speaker 1: have a friend, a really close friend or a sister
29:57
Speaker 1: who is crushing really hard on someone, you have that
30:00
Speaker 1: fear of like, oh, okay, well our relationship is going
30:03
Speaker 1: to change, I'm not gonna see you as much. But
30:07
Speaker 1: her and have a lot of moments where they are
30:09
Speaker 1: on this roof and they just are talking about life
30:13
Speaker 1: and what they want to do, their fears. Then later
30:17
Speaker 1: you find out the Darcy's they have kind of an
30:21
Speaker 1: other rooftop situation where they could see what was going
30:24
Speaker 1: on over there, which I love because at one point
30:28
Speaker 1: there's a thrown meatball that was funny. Yeah that was
30:33
Speaker 1: because he broke up with her. How rude. I mean, okay,
30:37
Speaker 1: that was pretty bad. That was pretty bad, and their
30:40
Speaker 1: relationship was so sweet.
30:42
Speaker 3: Yeah, how it goes again in the book as well.
30:48
Speaker 1: I feel like I'm loving the name comparisons too, because
30:50
Speaker 1: I don't know Bingsley and that's pretty.
30:53
Speaker 2: Yeah, because he's just references Darcy Bingsley is references Bingsley
30:58
Speaker 2: the entire time.
30:59
Speaker 3: You don't know their first name.
31:01
Speaker 2: There's a Fitzgerald who is his cousin that has the
31:04
Speaker 2: sergeant that comes into play. Uh yeah, and then even
31:09
Speaker 2: mister Bennett who is the father, is just known as
31:13
Speaker 2: mister Bennett.
31:14
Speaker 1: And missus Bennett.
31:15
Speaker 3: So that's how we talk to about them.
31:18
Speaker 2: We know about William Collins who is the cousin, and
31:21
Speaker 2: then George Wickham. We do know that it's George Wickham,
31:24
Speaker 2: but he goes by Wickham the entire time. So it's
31:27
Speaker 2: kind of like the women we know Miss Elizabeth, uh,
31:31
Speaker 2: miss Mary, who is Marisol miss Lydia. So yeah, so
31:36
Speaker 2: we have all of those characters as well. But it's
31:40
Speaker 2: quite funny.
31:40
Speaker 3: But yeah, there she keeps them pretty close in point
31:44
Speaker 3: mm hmmm.
31:45
Speaker 1: I'll have to pick your brain about that later. I'm
31:47
Speaker 1: curious if the is it Lydia has the kind of
31:52
Speaker 1: same like sloppy yes, night out, Yes, sort of.
31:56
Speaker 2: She makes an embarrassment of herself, it is flirting, and
31:59
Speaker 2: then she mos away with him, so we don't see
32:01
Speaker 2: that through the comparison is that they actually just run
32:03
Speaker 2: away as where uh and then you find that later
32:07
Speaker 2: and they're in compromising situations. To me, they're just in
32:10
Speaker 2: a hotel together. They don't find them in any real
32:12
Speaker 2: Oh maybe they do. It's not the implication, but but yeah,
32:15
Speaker 2: but like essentially is that. And then she comes back
32:18
Speaker 2: bragging about landing a husband, essentially being the first girl
32:21
Speaker 2: to land a husband, which is the big feet, and
32:24
Speaker 2: then being upset a little bit that she didn't have
32:25
Speaker 2: a big wedding, and everybody's like, because we had to
32:28
Speaker 2: get your married in secret, or we're all going to
32:30
Speaker 2: be like cast out of society, which means none of
32:32
Speaker 2: us could get married. Yeah, okay, it's a little different.
32:37
Speaker 2: The consequences you're much worse for Jane Austin's book.
32:43
Speaker 1: Wow, this is I can't wait to check this out.
32:45
Speaker 1: All right, I'm still devastating though, Oh absolutely absolutely. I'm
32:51
Speaker 1: glad it worked out how it did in the book, right, yes.
32:55
Speaker 2: Uh.
32:56
Speaker 1: Another scene I wanted to touch on is kind of
32:59
Speaker 1: the theme of education, Janee being the first in her
33:03
Speaker 1: family to go to college, Zuri being so into reading
33:08
Speaker 1: books and writing and poetry. And now I know that
33:13
Speaker 1: was a theme in the original Jane Austen work, but
33:16
Speaker 1: that was something that she shared with her father.
33:19
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, so like the reading, the love of reading.
33:22
Speaker 2: So he and Jane Austen. Mister Bennett would say that
33:27
Speaker 2: he had the young girls and they had heads among them,
33:33
Speaker 2: but like that they were the silliest girls that they
33:35
Speaker 2: have he had ever known, because they all battled about.
33:37
Speaker 2: Pratt told ye, I said it about men and boys,
33:41
Speaker 2: and that was it. And the only ones that he
33:43
Speaker 2: could stand that had any good sins, as he would say,
33:46
Speaker 2: was the two oldest. But Jane was too kind and
33:50
Speaker 2: Elizabeth was at least, you know, sarcastic, and he enjoyed that.
33:54
Speaker 2: But we don't see that farrotism in the book, which
33:56
Speaker 2: I do appreciate. But yeah, so here's a piece read
34:02
Speaker 2: to travel. Papa always said, every book is a different hood,
34:05
Speaker 2: a different country, a different world. Reading is how I
34:08
Speaker 2: visit places in people and ideas. And when something rings true,
34:12
Speaker 2: or if I still have a question, I outline it
34:14
Speaker 2: with a bright yellow highlighter so that it's lit up
34:16
Speaker 2: in my mind like a light bulb or a torch
34:19
Speaker 2: leading the way to somewhere new. It's usually enough to
34:22
Speaker 2: make me forget I've barely left Bushwick.
34:25
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I thought that was really interesting because
34:29
Speaker 1: there was this piece where Jane and Zuri's father were
34:36
Speaker 1: kind of like, you know, it is great here, but
34:39
Speaker 1: there are other things, and Zuri kind of being resistant
34:43
Speaker 1: to it because again, she's really protective of this neighborhood.
34:46
Speaker 1: She loves this neighborhood. She's afraid of how it will
34:48
Speaker 1: change when she leaves. She's afraid of gentrification, rightfully so.
34:53
Speaker 1: But her family is kind of like, well, go see,
34:58
Speaker 1: just go see, there's other things, which again is like
35:01
Speaker 1: that coming of age story of that. I feel like
35:05
Speaker 1: that's really relatable. Another thing that is a big theme
35:10
Speaker 1: in the book is class. This is definitely throughout her
35:15
Speaker 1: interactions series interactions with the Darcy family. I particularly was
35:21
Speaker 1: shocked with what happened with the grandmother when she met her,
35:25
Speaker 1: because it kept implying like maybe it would go fine,
35:28
Speaker 1: and then it really didn't. Okay.
35:31
Speaker 2: I was literally to you without the same thing with that,
35:33
Speaker 2: with no perspective of pride and prejudice, because I was
35:36
Speaker 2: waiting for it to get better thinking that she was,
35:39
Speaker 2: especially when there was mentioned of Howard maybe she wasn't
35:41
Speaker 2: an alumni and was gonna.
35:43
Speaker 1: Like really get you know, get in with.
35:47
Speaker 2: Her for the Nope, nope, but it was no so
35:51
Speaker 2: she she truly was the AUNTI character who was judgmental
35:54
Speaker 2: and doesn't and kept bringing up the other girl, Carrie Yes,
35:57
Speaker 2: which again that's not like I guess. Carrie represented three
36:02
Speaker 2: characters and one from the original, between the sickly daughter
36:06
Speaker 2: who she wanted Darcy to end up with, or the
36:10
Speaker 2: sisters who are mean. Bingley's sisters who are mean to
36:15
Speaker 2: all of them just kind of stood like Jane a
36:17
Speaker 2: little bit because Grandmother really preferred Carrie. So like I
36:22
Speaker 2: was like, Okay, Grandmother, that's not a good guy. I
36:25
Speaker 2: really thought she was going to be better than this.
36:27
Speaker 1: But I was wrong. Okay, cool, cool cool because even in.
36:29
Speaker 2: The book, the aunt who is rooting for Darcy to
36:33
Speaker 2: marry someone else for a while Elizabeth to the point
36:36
Speaker 2: that she wants her to stick around, but then she
36:39
Speaker 2: hates Elizabeth when she finds out that Darcy was thinking
36:42
Speaker 2: about marrying her. So but yeah, so I was not expecting.
36:47
Speaker 2: I was expecting to turn around too, just because of
36:49
Speaker 2: the book, not necessarily because of the writing.
36:54
Speaker 1: I was kind of expecting because Georgia seemed to be
36:58
Speaker 1: such a genuine character, which yeah, I, which I get, like,
37:04
Speaker 1: now that I've read it, I'm like, okay, I don't
37:06
Speaker 1: I wouldn't call her naive, but I think she was
37:08
Speaker 1: just like hopeful and it didn't go that way right,
37:17
Speaker 1: but she they because of her and Darius like less
37:20
Speaker 1: or so, but they were both like, no, it'll be cool,
37:23
Speaker 1: it'll be cool, right, and I kind of was trusting,
37:26
Speaker 1: like they wouldn't eat her astray, which maybe is just
37:29
Speaker 1: another example of class where they just in their heads
37:33
Speaker 1: it's not as big of a deal. Yes, exactly, exactly.
37:39
Speaker 2: Yeah, I will say Carrie's character, even though she was
37:44
Speaker 2: a snob, didn't end as bad as I thought it would,
37:47
Speaker 2: so I was like, yeah, so bad. Yeah, she's not
37:50
Speaker 2: so bad. She's jealous and I can see why she's jealous,
37:53
Speaker 2: but huh.
37:55
Speaker 1: I was. I was kind of confused while she was around,
38:00
Speaker 1: but I did like because she goes from being like
38:03
Speaker 1: a very jealous not nice at all too. I wouldn't
38:06
Speaker 1: say like nice, but she did watch out for Zuri's sister.
38:10
Speaker 2: She did kind of except for why was she then?
38:12
Speaker 2: Why she letting warn alone with him?
38:14
Speaker 1: But her?
38:15
Speaker 2: But like okay, but like she wasn't trying to mess
38:19
Speaker 2: anything up or purposely trying to do anything bad.
38:22
Speaker 1: No, she was just not happy with She made it clear.
38:40
Speaker 1: So here's a quote I wanted to read. So this
38:42
Speaker 1: is kind of a a back and forth that happens
38:48
Speaker 1: between Zuri and Darius. You know, Zuri, sometimes I'm baffled
38:53
Speaker 1: by how judgmental you are. Darius is taking one hand
38:56
Speaker 1: off the steering wheel. I side eyed him, baffled. I
38:59
Speaker 1: should be the one who's baffled, and you, Darius Darcy,
39:02
Speaker 1: are the walking definition of judgmental. I'm not judgmental. I'm
39:06
Speaker 1: just an excellent judge of character. You fall short in
39:10
Speaker 1: that department character. So you judge my sister's character, Yes,
39:14
Speaker 1: I did, and she's cool. He says. If you need
39:17
Speaker 1: some tips on how to accurately judge a person's character,
39:20
Speaker 1: just let me know who back and forth.
39:25
Speaker 3: Oh my, this is a similar conversation in Prejudice.
39:31
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a good because, like halfway through, it's interesting
39:35
Speaker 1: when you're reading something from one person's point of view
39:39
Speaker 1: and you're like yeah, yeah, and then halfway through I
39:42
Speaker 1: was like, wait a minute, she's kind of being judge
39:44
Speaker 1: you too, all right, And then I get it. Totally
39:49
Speaker 1: makes sense. Why she is. But it's just funny because
39:53
Speaker 1: I think it was like halfway in and I was like, wait, which, yes,
40:01
Speaker 1: kind of related. Another big theme is reputation in this book.
40:05
Speaker 1: Here's a quote I want to say the same thing
40:07
Speaker 1: that I don't care about my reputation, but I do
40:09
Speaker 1: because they already have one, all my sisters do. We
40:12
Speaker 1: have to be careful about who we fall for, especially
40:14
Speaker 1: me and Jenay, just because guys from around the way
40:17
Speaker 1: like us. Even if we don't give them no play,
40:19
Speaker 1: it's still easy for them to talk about us. Poppy
40:22
Speaker 1: is watching us, but so is the rest of the neighborhood.
40:25
Speaker 1: And then later, don't let your pride get in the way.
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Speaker 1: I thought this was interesting because I think it did
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Speaker 1: a really good job of examining reputation on a lot
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Speaker 1: of levels, like reputation in your neighborhood, like representing your
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Speaker 1: neighborhood and what you think that is, and then reputation
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Speaker 1: and like your family. There's just a lot of layers
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Speaker 1: of reputation that was looked at. I thought that was
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Speaker 1: really good. And then finally, this is kind of we've
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Speaker 1: been talking about all this stuff all along, but love
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Speaker 1: and money, Love and money again, I did think the
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Speaker 1: like hot neighbor moving in that was really funny in
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Speaker 1: the beginning, where all of the girls were like, let's
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Speaker 1: go meet them. Here is a quote, and there are
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Speaker 1: two ways to examine the institution of marriage. Marisol begins
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Speaker 1: in the whole room size because she's about to spill
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Speaker 1: out a series of facts, numbers, and statistics that all
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Speaker 1: have to do with the things she loves most in
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Speaker 1: the world. Money. It can either mean that marriage is
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Speaker 1: the false notion that love is forever and a woman
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Speaker 1: is left to depend on her husband for financial support,
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Speaker 1: or that two incomes are better than one loves. Abstract
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Speaker 1: money is not. And I thought like, even when I
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Speaker 1: was reading this, I was like, this is such an
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Speaker 1: interesting take on what I bet happened in Jane Alston version.
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Speaker 2: So in Jane Austen it is about religion. Oh, and
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Speaker 2: she is very scholarly and does not care for frivolous
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Speaker 2: things Mary because she is also all about quotes and books,
41:57
Speaker 2: and but she does a lot of biblical And when
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Speaker 2: I say biblical, I'm gonna go like very Protestant, very
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Speaker 2: uh learned book, you know, biblical level of that. So
42:10
Speaker 2: she's very into religion. In that term. She actually has
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Speaker 2: a crush on Colin, the cousin, and she was the
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Speaker 2: only one of all of them who wanted to get married.
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Speaker 3: But she's was seen as dowdy. I guess it's somewhat boring.
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Speaker 1: I feel like there was a character like that in Persuasions,
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Speaker 1: wasn't there? Yes?
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Speaker 2: But she also like plays the piano in uh Brian
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Speaker 2: prejud and she doesn't play it well, but she thinks
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Speaker 2: she's amazing at it, and so she'll try to perform
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Speaker 2: and everybody's.
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Speaker 1: Like, you're really wishing she would stop.
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Speaker 2: Essentially, so she's a scholarly one, I guess, like but
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Speaker 2: just really boring, but always speaks up to tell facts
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Speaker 2: or like to correct a situation or something.
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Speaker 3: She's kind of the sad sack of the bunch.
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Speaker 1: Ah, I see, I see. I just thought it was
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Speaker 1: interesting kind of this like the breaking down of the
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Speaker 1: love and the money.
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Speaker 2: Like she's not wrong, but she kind of does that
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Speaker 2: in every way, Like when she's talking about the fact
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Speaker 2: that Lydia is ruined and then she brings into back
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Speaker 2: how we're all ruined and she's done this and of
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Speaker 2: course we're gonna be like they're like, can you stop.
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Speaker 1: Hold on, now, we get we get it. We're screwed.
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Speaker 3: Stop this.
43:20
Speaker 1: Oh how interesting. Yes, there's also a lot of themes
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Speaker 1: of jealousy throughout, which I thought I really appreciated it
43:29
Speaker 1: in terms of, you know, in our modern times with
43:32
Speaker 1: like the texting and he hasn't texted back, or we're like, wait,
43:36
Speaker 1: what what does this mean? And kind of like making
43:40
Speaker 1: Darius jealous with Warren like that kind of being in
43:44
Speaker 1: the back of Surrey's mind anyway, So that was definitely
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Speaker 1: present in their messy courtship, I guess I'll call it,
43:57
Speaker 1: but definitely throughout. Also, yeah, the pressure to find a
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Speaker 1: man her family, I would say, like they wouldn't they
44:03
Speaker 1: would They kind of would be like, get a move on.
44:07
Speaker 1: But it was more that they were like, she wouldn't
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Speaker 1: bring Warren to her like stoop, Yeah, because she didn't
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Speaker 1: want her whole family to know. It'll be real nosy. Yes,
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Speaker 1: And then when she was coming back with Darius in
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Speaker 1: the car from Washington.
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Speaker 4: D C.
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Speaker 1: She had to tell them and they were very nosy
44:28
Speaker 1: and all the question right. Yeah.
44:31
Speaker 2: So in the book, obviously the mother is all about
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Speaker 2: getting all the children off married and getting she's she's
44:37
Speaker 2: also ridiculous of a character, very very made to be
44:41
Speaker 2: that way. But the way that the mother in this one,
44:45
Speaker 2: obviously she's much loved, more loving, and like a little
44:48
Speaker 2: more fierce and independent, and not so much about that,
44:52
Speaker 2: but the whole like little smiling and trying to get
44:54
Speaker 2: them together or trying to get them alone and allow
44:57
Speaker 2: them to be alone was definitely like a ploy. Also
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Speaker 2: the book, so like, she does a great job in
45:02
Speaker 2: representing I think she did a great job in representing
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Speaker 2: these characters but not making them look caricaturish, Unlike, like,
45:08
Speaker 2: even though Prime Prejudice was an old, like ridiculously big classic,
45:13
Speaker 2: it still made the characters look caricaturish in a way
45:17
Speaker 2: that you were like, yeah, the mom's if there was
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Speaker 2: a villain, mom would not be a villain, but she's
45:23
Speaker 2: the foil.
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Speaker 1: You're right, that makes sense.
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Speaker 2: But I'm glad that that wasn't the case for this
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Speaker 2: one because it's so over the top of you just.
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Speaker 1: Like, how much do you dislike your mother? Yeah? Well yeah,
45:39
Speaker 1: And I feel like most of the characters were very likable,
45:43
Speaker 1: like yeah, and the ones you weren't supposed to like,
45:45
Speaker 1: I didn't really hate. I just was right, So I
45:48
Speaker 1: liked that, and I did. We didn't really go into
45:50
Speaker 1: it much, but I did like at the kind of
45:53
Speaker 1: the clash of cultures at the cocktail party when the
45:56
Speaker 1: mother shows up with all of those foods. Yeah, the
46:01
Speaker 1: darcies are clearly like catering essentially.
46:08
Speaker 4: If it was a.
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Speaker 1: Really it was a really enjoyable read. I think, you know,
46:13
Speaker 1: even for me who hasn't read it, I enjoyed it.
46:15
Speaker 1: I've loved hearing the comparisons. I can't wait to read
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Speaker 1: the original. Yeah, I'm gonna make you read the Regiournal soon.
46:23
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a great stand alone You don't need
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Speaker 1: it is though it is kind of a homage to
46:29
Speaker 1: the Pride and Prejudice, and it is a retailing it's
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Speaker 1: it is a great standalone book.
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Speaker 2: It has a lot of great quotes. The poetry is
46:37
Speaker 2: quite lovely as well. I really did enjoy all of that.
46:40
Speaker 2: I was like, this is good. Sometimes I wonder when
46:43
Speaker 2: people write things like this, I'm like, did you do
46:44
Speaker 2: the poetry first, And you're like, I'm gonna do a
46:45
Speaker 2: book with this because I've thought about that. I'm like,
46:48
Speaker 2: you know, sometimes because they are great stand alone poems
46:51
Speaker 2: as is as well, so yes, book ten out of
46:55
Speaker 2: ten everybody should read.
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Speaker 1: I love that. I thought it was great, highly recommends,
46:59
Speaker 1: and I'm looking forward to maybe an.
47:07
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do a whole thing. You're gonna have to
47:09
Speaker 2: watch the new book. I don't want to, but the
47:11
Speaker 2: new one, and I'm gonna make you watch the BBC series.
47:13
Speaker 3: For doing it.
47:14
Speaker 1: I am into it. You don't have.
47:16
Speaker 2: To again, like come back to Bridget Jones Diary as well,
47:21
Speaker 2: because that is also a rendition of that.
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Speaker 3: Oh no, did you not know that?
47:27
Speaker 1: You didn't know that girl?
47:29
Speaker 3: Okay, yes, that's why Darcy is in there.
47:34
Speaker 1: And his name is.
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Speaker 2: Publishing, which is Wickham.
47:39
Speaker 1: Oh dear, I have a lot to learn. Oh no.
47:43
Speaker 2: The guy who plays Bingsley is a very like has
47:47
Speaker 2: a minor character, like he has one line and he's
47:50
Speaker 2: in there.
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Speaker 1: I was like, Baisley, what are you doing here?
47:54
Speaker 4: I probably was just like, yeah, I'd had to have
48:02
Speaker 4: given you all the like tidbits to that because there's
48:05
Speaker 4: no way I want to let you go.
48:06
Speaker 1: I feel like you definitely told me about calling first,
48:10
Speaker 1: and yeah, there's no way I would to let you go.
48:12
Speaker 2: On would like throw out be like this is this,
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Speaker 2: this is this, this is this, and it also starts
48:17
Speaker 2: with the line is the truth universally acknowledged?
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Speaker 1: It starts with that line as well. Hmmm, well, now
48:25
Speaker 1: I know you know you're opening my world.
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Speaker 3: We can try this.
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Speaker 1: I'm coming back, We're coming back the classics. Excited too,
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Speaker 1: I think it'd be great. Well, this was super fun.
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Speaker 1: This was a great pick. Definitely checking out listeners and
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Speaker 1: I would love I really do want to check out
48:42
Speaker 1: some of this author's other works. I think that they
48:45
Speaker 1: sound fascinating. We have to, yeah, But in the meantime,
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