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How did a comatose woman get pregnant get pregnant in healthcare facility? · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. The family of a patient
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Speaker 1: who became pregnant and gave birth while in a coma
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Speaker 1: at a nursing facility is speaking out for the first time.
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Speaker 1: They say they're traumatized and shocked by what they call
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Speaker 1: the abuse and neglect of their daughter. The twenty nine
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Speaker 1: year old woman has been in a vegetative state for
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Speaker 1: more than a decade. She gave birth last month at
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Speaker 1: Hacienda Healthcare Facility in Phoenix, Arizona. Police served a warrant
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Speaker 1: yesterday to get DNA from all male employees at the facility.
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Speaker 1: A lawyer for the woman's family issued a statement on
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Speaker 1: their behalf, saying, the baby boy has been born into
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Speaker 1: a loving family and he will be well cared for.
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Speaker 1: Hasienda CEO built him and stepped down yesterday The business
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Speaker 1: as it is committed to doing everything in its power
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Speaker 1: to bring the police investigation to a quick conclusion, and
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Speaker 1: those DNA tests, the science will find the answer to
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Speaker 1: tell the story that's right. We need an answer to
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Speaker 1: that very disgusting story. You're hearing our friends at CBS
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Speaker 1: this morning. That's John Dickerson Nora O'Donnell and guild King
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Speaker 1: describing a horrific situation at Hacienda Healthcare, a sex abuse
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Speaker 1: investigation now launched after a young woman who has been
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Speaker 1: in a coma, a permanent vegetative state says she nearly
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Speaker 1: drowned ten years ago, gives birth, and a Phoenix healthcare facility,
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Speaker 1: specifically the Hacienda health Care. So you leave your loved
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Speaker 1: one for around the clock care. That loved one in
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Speaker 1: a vegetative state, in a coma. They're there for ten years.
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Speaker 1: You visit, you move them around so they don't get
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Speaker 1: bad sores. You comb their here, you wash their here,
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Speaker 1: you take care of them day in, day out. Suddenly
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Speaker 1: she gives birth. I don't understand that at all. Joining
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Speaker 1: me an all star panel, renowned lawyer Brian Claypool, joining
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Speaker 1: US doctor Brian Russell, psychologist and lawyer, host of investigation Discoveries,
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Speaker 1: hit series Fatal Vows, Stephen Lampley, Crack detective Kathleen Murphy,
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Speaker 1: Fill me a divorce lawyer and joining me right now.
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Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter John Limley. Let's start
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Speaker 1: at the beginning. First of all, John, how could the
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Speaker 1: staff not notice she was pregnant until she gave birth.
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Speaker 1: But hold on, I'm jumping the gun. Start at the beginning,
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Speaker 1: John Limley. Getting it information Nancy about this case is
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Speaker 1: a challenge because investigators from now multiple agencies are saying
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Speaker 1: next to nothing about the case. But we do know
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Speaker 1: that at some point last spring or summer, someone sexually
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Speaker 1: assaulted this woman who is in a persistent vegetative state
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Speaker 1: or a coma, and she became pregnant. Sources tell us
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Speaker 1: that the alleged victim had been a patient at the
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Speaker 1: Hassienda Healthcare facility for fourteen years. This was after a
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Speaker 1: near drowning incident left her in this coma. The woman
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Speaker 1: gave birth to a baby boy December twenty ninth, And
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Speaker 1: as you pointed out, what's baffling is no one on
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Speaker 1: the staff say they were aware she was pregnant until
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Speaker 1: she was simply giving birth. Exactly staff at the Hassienda
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Speaker 1: Healthcare claim they've been giving her around the claw care.
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Speaker 1: Her state is the result of an incident where she
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Speaker 1: nearly drowned ten years ago. Take a listen to this
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Speaker 1: Phoenix police revealing a disturbing new detail in an already
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Speaker 1: horrifying case. A baby born to a female patient living
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Speaker 1: in a vegetative state for years at this facility had coded,
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Speaker 1: meaning his life was in danger. He and the incapacitated
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Speaker 1: mother whisked away to a hospital. Investigators finally addressing the
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Speaker 1: public moments ago, after days of silence. This woman was
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Speaker 1: unable to move, she was unable to communicate. In other words,
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Speaker 1: she was helpless. Police have obtained search warrants to get
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Speaker 1: DNA samples from male staffers at the medical facilities, hoping
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Speaker 1: to find who may have sexually assaulted the woman who
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Speaker 1: has been in a vegetative state for more than a decade.
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Speaker 1: You are hearing our friends Sya Sidner and she's speaking
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Speaker 1: with Sergeant Tommy Thompson in the Phoenix Police Department. He
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Speaker 1: describing the woman as completely helpless. Joining me now, Brian
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Speaker 1: Claypool involved in the case. Brian way In, Yeah, he Nancy,
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Speaker 1: what a shocking story. In my opinion, this is rape.
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Speaker 1: This this young lady was in a vegislative state and
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Speaker 1: if she had she had a baby, so she was
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Speaker 1: unable to consent to sexual relations. So that constitutes rape.
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Speaker 1: So law enforcement needs to to to, you know, expedite
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Speaker 1: the investigation, get DNA samples from every single male worker
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Speaker 1: that was in that facility, not only male workers, but
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Speaker 1: any visitors that were given access to the facility nine
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Speaker 1: or ten months ago when the baby was conceived. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm just trying to take in how this may have happened.
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Speaker 1: Kathleen Murphy, family lawyer out of North Carolina. All those
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Speaker 1: nights when a lot of the staff are gone, everything's dark,
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Speaker 1: everything's quiet. Someone walking around giving patients their medication, someone
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Speaker 1: with access to this woman. I find it difficult to
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Speaker 1: believe it was a visitor. And I'll tell you why
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Speaker 1: this had to be someone they could go in. Most
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Speaker 1: likely in non visitation hours, not the normal hours of
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Speaker 1: visitation they would want to do. They want to commit
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Speaker 1: an assault on this woman in a coma for ten years,
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Speaker 1: when not many people were around, when they wouldn't be noticed.
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Speaker 1: That makes me think it was in non visitation hours. Huancy.
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Speaker 1: And what's really tragic about this whole situation is they
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Speaker 1: report that she felt the delivery, that she felt the
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Speaker 1: pain of labor because she was moaning. And my heart
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Speaker 1: is broken for that family here that their daughter, whom
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Speaker 1: they clearly love, was in pain and she couldn't be helped,
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Speaker 1: and she wasn't helped until she suffered an incredible amount
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Speaker 1: of pain and probably wasn't able to really understand herself
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Speaker 1: wherever she is what was happening. And if she did
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Speaker 1: understand and she knew she was having a baby, how
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Speaker 1: bad would that be? Well? I wonder if she knew
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Speaker 1: that she was being assaulted, And I wonder how many
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Speaker 1: times she was assaulted and they gaven think about it.
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Speaker 1: You think she was assaulted one time and she just
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Speaker 1: happened to get pregnant that one time. I find that
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Speaker 1: very difficult to believe. So how many times had this
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Speaker 1: poor woman, this young woman in a vegetative state, been
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Speaker 1: assaulted over and over and over? Did she have any
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Speaker 1: idea that this was happening to her? And what, if anything,
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Speaker 1: does this mean to all the other patients there at
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Speaker 1: Hacienda Healthcare. Listen, a lot of people are men. My
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Speaker 1: family included parents of other patients inside Hacienda Healthcare are
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Speaker 1: furious and demanding answers. My heart hurts, my chest hurts.
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Speaker 1: I haven't been able to sleep good at night because
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Speaker 1: of what occurred here. Their concern for the safety of
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Speaker 1: their loved ones after a female patient who's been in
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Speaker 1: a vegetative state for fourteen years, gave birth. A source
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Speaker 1: tells KPHO she delivered a healthy baby boy on December
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Speaker 1: twenty nine, but none of the staff inside the clinic
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Speaker 1: knew the patient was pregnant until she began moaning shortly
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Speaker 1: before going into labor. Our detectives are working eligently to
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Speaker 1: try to identify suspect. We have served search warrants. The
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Speaker 1: purpose of the search warrants based upon probable causes to
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Speaker 1: obtain records that will help us go through the process
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Speaker 1: of identifying a suspect. Those again, we're done under the
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Speaker 1: authority of a search warrant issued by spirit court judge.
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Speaker 1: In addition, we have obtained buckle swabs. That's Bucca L.
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Speaker 1: Buckle swabs are used to obtain DNA, which is going
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Speaker 1: to be one of the key evidentiary factors will use
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Speaker 1: in investigating this and bringing it to a closure. Those
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Speaker 1: are based upon reasonable cause. I hope I haven't given
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Speaker 1: you too much information on that, But again, this is
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Speaker 1: an investigation. If you are thinking this will be a
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Speaker 1: short term investigation, let me assure you that this is
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Speaker 1: a long term investigation. But the Phoenix Police department, which
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Speaker 1: I've been a member of for thirty five years, have
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Speaker 1: proven time and time again their abilities to carry out
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Speaker 1: complex investigations, and I have confidence in them at this time.
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Speaker 1: But let me just tell you that this could be
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Speaker 1: a very long investigation. When you heard about the news
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Speaker 1: of what happened here, everybody was up in shock. Corinas
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Speaker 1: has seen his twenty two year old daughter, Jasmine, has
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Speaker 1: been a patient at Hascienda Healthcare for about two years now.
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Speaker 1: Karina's not leaving her side. You're staying here twenty four
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Speaker 1: seven because you still don't trust. No trust has been
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Speaker 1: broken and severed completely. While privacy laws limit video surveillance
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Speaker 1: in healthcare centers, says Sina says, there needs to be
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Speaker 1: more cameras. Are there any cameras that you see right
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Speaker 1: now in the facility? None? Not in the hallway, No,
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Speaker 1: not in the room, on the nurses station, Nope. Nothing.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend Omar Via Franco speaking with Corina Cesena,
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Speaker 1: the mother of another patient there at Hacienda, who says
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Speaker 1: she's not leaving her daughter twenty four to seven, three
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Speaker 1: sixty five. Forget it, She's staying there. I want to
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Speaker 1: go to doctor Brian Russell's psychologist and a lawyer, host
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Speaker 1: of IDAs fatal vows and what kind of mind of
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Speaker 1: a perpetrator would repeatedly sex assault a vegetative patient. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's a special kind of low to when you think
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Speaker 1: about somebody who would take advantage of somebody, it's hard
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Speaker 1: to imagine anybody more completely helpless than this victim. And
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Speaker 1: I agree with you it wasn't just one time, because
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Speaker 1: the statistical chances of a pregnancy happening from just one
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Speaker 1: time or low. And so you know, I have been
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Speaker 1: as a psychologist and an attorney. I have been involved
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Speaker 1: in malpractice cases against individual healthcare providers and facilities as
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Speaker 1: on both the plaintiff side and the defense side, and
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Speaker 1: I would not want to have to make the defense
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Speaker 1: case on this one because this should have been impossible.
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Speaker 1: This should have been impossible if the standards of care
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Speaker 1: we're anywhere close to being met in this facility. Wants
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Speaker 1: to take a listen to Jane Nancy. Yeah, this criminal
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Speaker 1: investigation needs to be expanded based on your discussion. If
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Speaker 1: there were multiple sexual assaults of this victim, the CEO
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Speaker 1: should be investigated for reckless endangerment, criminal negligence and other
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Speaker 1: executives in Hacienda should be also subject to criminal prosecution
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Speaker 1: if there's evidence of neglect in any prior sexual assault.
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Speaker 1: So law enforcement needs to expand the investigation. And the
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Speaker 1: fact that she was moaning as well when she had
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Speaker 1: the baby. That also triggers a civil lawsuit for this
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Speaker 1: young lady as well for the pain and suffering that
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Speaker 1: she went through. Man, you're not kidding. Take a listen
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Speaker 1: to that point exactly. Kphotvs. Brianna Whitney listened. After nearly
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Speaker 1: three decades of leading Hacienda Healthcare CEO, Bill Timmins resigning
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Speaker 1: amidst the investigation into how at twenty nine year old
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Speaker 1: Native American woman living in a year's long vegetative state
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Speaker 1: was impregnated at the facility with no one saying anything.
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Speaker 1: We've now learned she was raped several times. My heart stopped.
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Speaker 1: I think my heart stopped when I heard the news
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Speaker 1: from my daughter. I was just horrified. I'm going no,
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Speaker 1: not Hacienda. This woman worked in a management position at
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Speaker 1: Hacienda for over a decade and says she will never
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Speaker 1: forget what Bill tim And said in a closed door
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Speaker 1: meeting with the leadership team. What did you witness in
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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety eight. Oh, we had a manager's meeting and
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Speaker 1: it was brought up that there had been an incident.
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Speaker 1: She says. Female nurses were standing around a nonverbal male
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Speaker 1: patient's bed, talking inappropriately about his genitalia. The poor guy
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Speaker 1: was just laying there. He couldn't communicate, he couldn't say anything,
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Speaker 1: he couldn't defend himself. And we were talking about reporting
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Speaker 1: it to CPS, and Bill Timmins slammed his fist on
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Speaker 1: the table and said, no, no one is going to
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Speaker 1: report this. What did you think when you said that?
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Speaker 1: I was horrified. By law, we are supposed to report
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Speaker 1: things like that. Are you scared? I was scared. Timmins
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Speaker 1: had a temper and we knew not to mess with
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Speaker 1: that temper because people got fired. I saw people disappear
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Speaker 1: and never come back. Wow, you're hearing our friend at KPHOTV,
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Speaker 1: Brianna Whitney, speaking to someone who wishes to remain anonymous,
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Speaker 1: who worked at Hacienda. Take a listen to this. This
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Speaker 1: woman worked in a management position at Hacienda for over
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Speaker 1: a decade and believes other abuse has gone on throughout
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Speaker 1: the years. But a woman impregnated with nobody speaking up
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Speaker 1: while Timmins was CEO. She says, that is inexcusable. But
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Speaker 1: do you think in some way Bill Timmins is at
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Speaker 1: fault here for what happened. I think he let things happen,
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Speaker 1: didn't do anything about it, didn't let people do their job. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I kind of do you are hearing kphotvs. Brianna Whitney
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Speaker 1: speaking to a woman who wishes to remain anonymous, who
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Speaker 1: was in a management position at Hacienda for over a decade.
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Speaker 1: You know, is it a criminal case? I say absolutely,
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Speaker 1: it is a criminal case. Here's CNN Sara Sidner listen.
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Speaker 1: Attorney Brian Claypole says the criminal exposure in this case
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Speaker 1: is very clear. If the woman in Phoenix was in
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Speaker 1: a vegetative state and she gave birth to a child,
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Speaker 1: then she was raped because she could not have consented
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Speaker 1: to a sexual relation. Karina Cesseda says she and other
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Speaker 1: parents with children in this facility are stunned and scared.
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Speaker 1: Cessana's twenty two year old daughter is living here with
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Speaker 1: severe your brain damage. She is extremely vulnerable. She cannot
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Speaker 1: walk and can barely talk. We were just so scared
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Speaker 1: because who knows what would happen if it was a
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Speaker 1: staff member who was a family member, if it was
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Speaker 1: a stranger, we have no idea. What did you decide
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Speaker 1: to do personally to make sure your daughter who's inside
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Speaker 1: is safe. I stay here twenty four seven now to
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Speaker 1: make sure that she's in a safe environment as well,
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Speaker 1: and just move forward because trust has been severely broken.
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Speaker 1: That's Sarah Signor speaking with Brian Claypool who was with
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Speaker 1: us right now. Brian Claypool elaborate, Yeah, Nancy, this case
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Speaker 1: is about the me too movement meeting mental health. I mean,
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Speaker 1: can you imagine being a family member of a patient
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Speaker 1: in that facility. You have to be doing a twenty
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Speaker 1: four hour vigil watching your relative in that facility. I mean,
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Speaker 1: this is a public hazard, a public safety risk. I
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Speaker 1: think the state or account should also be putting as
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Speaker 1: security guards in that facility till they can get to
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Speaker 1: the bottom of this. I mean, I think from pop
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Speaker 1: to bottom, this nursing home needs to be cleansed. Their
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Speaker 1: prior incidents of sexual harassment, possible alleged sexual abuse. This
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Speaker 1: facility had a much below average rating. It was a
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Speaker 1: train wreck waiting to happen, and Hedge need to tumble
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Speaker 1: John Lily joining me investigative reporter with crime online dot Com.
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Speaker 1: What can you tell me about a twenty thirteen investigation? Nancy?
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Speaker 1: It was in December of that year, twenty thirteen, that
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Speaker 1: the Arizona Department of Health Services conducted an investigation after
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Speaker 1: a formal complaint was made. The report was investigating staff
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Speaker 1: treatment of clients. What's at the center of this very case.
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Speaker 1: The Arizona Department of Health Services determined Hacienda was not
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Speaker 1: in compliance due to staff treatment of clients and staff
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Speaker 1: training program. The facility after this had to submit evidence
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Speaker 1: of compliance or they would have been terminated from the
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Speaker 1: Medicare program. So that's a twenty thirteen allegation. Take a
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Speaker 1: listen to cbss omar Via Franco, a federal database that
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Speaker 1: tracks nursing homes, reveals hassien To Healthcare has an overall
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Speaker 1: rating of one out of five stars. According to state records,
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Speaker 1: a staff member was fired in twenty thirteen after making
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Speaker 1: inappropriate sexual comments about patients. Hassi Into Healthcare declined our
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Speaker 1: request for an interview, but in a statement says it's
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Speaker 1: cooperating with law enforcement and conducting a comprehensive internal review.
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Speaker 1: Of processes, protocols, and people to ensure that every single
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Speaker 1: resident is safe. Even though now it is a little
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Speaker 1: they are outraised, traumatized, and in shock by the abuse
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Speaker 1: and neglect of their daughter. They also revealed the baby
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Speaker 1: is a boy who has been born into a loving
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Speaker 1: family and will be well cared for the same Carlos
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Speaker 1: Apatchee tribe said the woman is a twenty nine year
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Speaker 1: old registered member of their tribe. Cessanas says the healthcare
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Speaker 1: company didn't even inform the families about the incident until
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Speaker 1: five days after the birth, and only after local news
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Speaker 1: reports expose the situation. I think that there's an underlying
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Speaker 1: blanket somewhere that they're trying to hide under. You know,
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Speaker 1: instead of being transparent, they're not being very transparent at all.
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Speaker 1: You're hearing our friend at seeing an Siah signer are
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Speaker 1: talking with the mother of a hacienda patient, Corina Sesina,
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Speaker 1: and she's absolutely right, you know. John Limley, Crime Online
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Speaker 1: investigative reporter. I did not realize that hassien To Healthcare
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Speaker 1: did not tell the victim's family she had been pregnant
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Speaker 1: and gave birth, and they only came to their attention
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Speaker 1: when they heard the woman moaning and crying there she
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Speaker 1: is an acoma giving birth. That any pain medication, any anesthesia, nothing.
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Speaker 1: They don't tell her family she's had a baby until
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Speaker 1: five days later after they're busted by the media. John Limley, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: that is correct. They learned so many of the details
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Speaker 1: in this case, just like the rest of us did
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Speaker 1: on TV. Healthcare send the statement that police had served
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Speaker 1: as search warrant for the samples DNA samples from male
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Speaker 1: staff members, and they go quote, as a company, we
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Speaker 1: welcome this development, the ongoing police investigation. Welcome this development.
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Speaker 1: My rear end they should be quaking in their boots.
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Speaker 1: Explain to me what is happening, Brian Claypool, defense lawyer.
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Speaker 1: Police are seeking DNA samples from all male staff members
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Speaker 1: at Hussy into Healthcare there in Arizona. They're going to
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Speaker 1: have to date that back to the time when she
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Speaker 1: would have gotten pregnant. You know, I don't know if
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Speaker 1: the baby was premature. I have no idea about that.
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Speaker 1: You have to determine that through a neo natal specialist.
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Speaker 1: But they can't be just who's there today. It's got
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Speaker 1: to be who was there at the time that the
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Speaker 1: baby was conceived. Yeah, Nancy, a good point. And this
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Speaker 1: isn't brain surgery. I mean, the pool of potential suspects
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Speaker 1: in this case have got to be very small. The
24:06
Speaker 1: law enforcement should beginning answer very soon. You go back,
24:09
Speaker 1: what about nine months maybe ten months from the date
24:12
Speaker 1: the baby was born, that there should have been a
24:15
Speaker 1: search warrant served on the facility for the identity of
24:19
Speaker 1: all male workers at Hacienda and order. I believe they've
24:24
Speaker 1: been ordered to give a DNA chromosomal test and law
24:29
Speaker 1: enforcement should be able to pinpoint who the father is.
24:32
Speaker 1: But one more quick point answer. You guys made another
24:34
Speaker 1: great point. The fact that five days went by and
24:38
Speaker 1: notifying the family that now triggers a potential multimillion dollar
24:43
Speaker 1: civil lawsuit by the parents. The parents of the victim
24:47
Speaker 1: now have an intentional infliction of emotional distress claim against
24:52
Speaker 1: that facility, and they could seek millions of dollars now
24:55
Speaker 1: impunitive damages. And they better hope that baby is completely
24:59
Speaker 1: healthy because he was delivered with no medical help. Nothing
25:04
Speaker 1: at all happened right there and Hacienda Healthcare, they had
25:08
Speaker 1: no idea, according to them, that she was pregnant. But
25:11
Speaker 1: I disagree with you on one thing, and that is
25:14
Speaker 1: this out to you, Steve Lampley, Ace Detective Stephen. I
25:18
Speaker 1: don't think it's just the male employees that work at
25:21
Speaker 1: HASSI into Healthcare. I think you've got to look at
25:23
Speaker 1: pharmaceutical reps that may have come in and out, at
25:27
Speaker 1: worker men they came in to fix the air conditioner
25:30
Speaker 1: or the heat, or make repairs, or fix the windows
25:34
Speaker 1: or cut the grass. You got to look at visitors.
25:37
Speaker 1: How are they going to reconstruct every visitor that came
25:40
Speaker 1: in without any cameras in the halls. You've got to
25:43
Speaker 1: look at doctors that visited those patients, at visitors to
25:48
Speaker 1: every other patient and HASSI into Healthcare. How do I
25:52
Speaker 1: know it wasn't a visitor that frequently visited his dear
25:55
Speaker 1: old grandma two halls over. I don't know who it
25:59
Speaker 1: is to Stephen Lampley, how are you going to do this? Well? Man?
26:02
Speaker 1: So you start what they're doing. They're starting with the employee.
26:07
Speaker 1: That's that's you start. And it's like a homicide investigation
26:10
Speaker 1: where you start with the family. You start there and
26:13
Speaker 1: then you broaden. If you don't have any luck there,
26:15
Speaker 1: you broaden your circle out to the next level. If
26:18
Speaker 1: you don't have luck there, and you keep expanding your horizons,
26:23
Speaker 1: so they're starting where they need to be starting, which
26:25
Speaker 1: is with the staff, the mail staff, and then you
26:28
Speaker 1: go from there. If you have no luck there, then
26:30
Speaker 1: you go to the next step beyond that, which might
26:33
Speaker 1: be visitors, doctors, or something that are coming in on
26:39
Speaker 1: an infrequent basis other than those who are working a
26:41
Speaker 1: regular shift. There. You know, to John Limley, investigative reporter,
26:45
Speaker 1: this birth and a sex assault of a vulnerable woman.
26:51
Speaker 1: And of course we're hearing this is not the first
26:53
Speaker 1: time she was assaulted as she lay there in her
26:56
Speaker 1: bed in a vegetative state. It does really asked Hassi
27:02
Speaker 1: into healthcare in a bad light. And it isn't Hascienda
27:06
Speaker 1: an alleged nonprofit organization that claims it's a leading provider
27:10
Speaker 1: of healthcare for Phoenix. What about it? Who is Hassi
27:13
Speaker 1: into healthcare? Hascienda has actually been around for over five decades,
27:18
Speaker 1: fifty two years. Not impressed. I'm not impressed. I'll say
27:21
Speaker 1: it like it's a good thing. That means to me.
27:23
Speaker 1: Women have been being raped there for fifty two years.
27:25
Speaker 1: As far as I'm concerned Limley and their core clients
27:28
Speaker 1: are actually infants, children, and young adults. A lot of
27:32
Speaker 1: people when they hear about a healthcare facility like this,
27:35
Speaker 1: assume that most of the patients there are elderly. This
27:39
Speaker 1: is not the case with this one. This includes young
27:42
Speaker 1: adults who are medically fragile, chronically ill, some of those
27:47
Speaker 1: with developmental disabilities. The organization right there. Wait a minute,
27:53
Speaker 1: Oh no, Brian Claypool. As a defense lawyer, you've been
27:58
Speaker 1: in criminal law, you have dealt with so many predators.
28:06
Speaker 1: This is a predator's dream. You've got all of these children,
28:10
Speaker 1: all of these young adults physically and or mentally fragile
28:17
Speaker 1: or in need of help, developmentally disabled. They can be
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Speaker 1: taken advantage of and nobody will ever know what they're saying,
28:26
Speaker 1: what they're suffering, Nobody would ever believe them. It is
28:30
Speaker 1: a predator's hunting ground. Yeah. Answer. You raised an exceptional point.
28:37
Speaker 1: This was a playground for predators. And what I mean
28:42
Speaker 1: by that is that there should have been escalated security
28:47
Speaker 1: and internal controls at Hacienda to safeguard the patients because
28:54
Speaker 1: they are a not only younger, but be most important,
28:58
Speaker 1: they are are unable to articulate, they are unable to
29:03
Speaker 1: defend themselves. All the more reason for more security surveillance
29:08
Speaker 1: cameras in the facility and and for vigilant supervision of
29:14
Speaker 1: the employees. That this is just a horrible situation. We
29:21
Speaker 1: know that Hassiana Healthcare has forty programs that touch the
29:26
Speaker 1: lives of two thousand, five hundred people a year, nearly
29:31
Speaker 1: three thousand people a year in Arizona. How many of
29:37
Speaker 1: them have been victims. So as part of this investigation, police,
29:41
Speaker 1: you're going to have to look for other victims. Who
29:44
Speaker 1: else within hassiant To Healthcare has been raped. Adult Protective
29:49
Speaker 1: Services tells us after hearing the allegations, they immediately dispatched
29:54
Speaker 1: a team to conduct health and safety checks on all
29:57
Speaker 1: members living in the facility, and the Arizona Department of
30:01
Speaker 1: Health says they are actively working with local law enforcement
30:05
Speaker 1: in their criminal investigation. But right now, no suspects have
30:09
Speaker 1: been named, and our source says this patient required round
30:13
Speaker 1: the clock care and many would have had access to
30:16
Speaker 1: her room. So those patients suck quite a few people
30:19
Speaker 1: in just a day right time. Yeah, So there could
30:22
Speaker 1: be a lot of possibilities as to who did this.
30:25
Speaker 1: She also says the facility has changed protocol this week.
30:30
Speaker 1: I was told that as of now the amal soph
30:36
Speaker 1: means to enter her a female room, that they need
30:38
Speaker 1: to bring in a female employee with them and as
30:41
Speaker 1: far as you're a wearing, that is a new policy. Yes,
30:44
Speaker 1: so many questions as to how something like this could
30:46
Speaker 1: have happened, but our source says this woman was raped
30:51
Speaker 1: in the most vulnerable state, so she had no way
30:54
Speaker 1: to defend herself in this sort of situation, none whatsoever,
31:00
Speaker 1: and not even able to communicate the fo she was pregnant.
31:05
Speaker 1: You were hearing from our friend Brianna Whitney, a KPHO
31:09
Speaker 1: TV speaking with a woman who wants to remain anonymous.
31:12
Speaker 1: You could hear her voice had been distorted to protect
31:15
Speaker 1: who she is. Now, you know, that's interesting that the
31:17
Speaker 1: employees are afraid for their names or their to be known,
31:22
Speaker 1: or their faces to be shown, to the extent that
31:25
Speaker 1: this woman wanted her voice even distorted so no one
31:30
Speaker 1: could tell it was her. And I find it really
31:33
Speaker 1: hard to believe to Brian Claypool, veteran defense attorney joining
31:38
Speaker 1: us OUDE of LA, that anybody did anything immediately because
31:44
Speaker 1: Hassi into healthcare kepital secret for five days. They didn't
31:47
Speaker 1: even tell the family until the news busted them. So
31:50
Speaker 1: when they're talking about they rushed in immediately and did this,
31:54
Speaker 1: and they did that bs, they didn't even know nobody
31:57
Speaker 1: knew about it. When they say this woman, this young
31:59
Speaker 1: girl role had round the clock care, well I don't
32:03
Speaker 1: think so, because somebody had time to get in there
32:06
Speaker 1: over and over and over and rape her. Well, Nancy,
32:10
Speaker 1: what's compelling is the fact that you have an employee
32:14
Speaker 1: that wants her voice distorted. That tells me that this
32:18
Speaker 1: was a culture of sexual abuse and sexual harassment and intimidation.
32:25
Speaker 1: There was permeating hacienda that if you work there and
32:29
Speaker 1: you tried to speak up and report. I've seen it
32:32
Speaker 1: in a lot of sexual abuse cases I prosecuted in
32:35
Speaker 1: the civil form, where employees try to report sexual harassment
32:42
Speaker 1: and sexual abuse and they are intimidated and bullied, and
32:47
Speaker 1: that that propels or facilitates all of this sexual abuse happening.
32:53
Speaker 1: And that's why that employee wants her voice distorted. That
32:56
Speaker 1: is really tragic. But again, the fact that this facility
33:00
Speaker 1: doesn't tell the family about the baby being born for
33:05
Speaker 1: five days is reprehensible and in conscious disregard for not
33:09
Speaker 1: only the victim but also the family, and that that
33:13
Speaker 1: is going to place this facility at risk of paing
33:17
Speaker 1: millions of dollars compunitive damages. I don't give a flying
33:20
Speaker 1: fig about them paying damages. I care about this. We're
33:23
Speaker 1: talking about how are we going to prove it? About
33:26
Speaker 1: DNA tests, about multimillion dollars lawsuits. Think about this. Think
33:31
Speaker 1: about lying there in a hospital bed, day in, day out.
33:36
Speaker 1: Maybe you can hear what's going on, maybe you can
33:39
Speaker 1: see what's going on, but you can't speak or move.
33:45
Speaker 1: Ten years, you lay there like that, ten years and
33:51
Speaker 1: over and over and over. At night, when the lights
33:55
Speaker 1: turned off and people leave the health care facility, someone
33:59
Speaker 1: comes in your room and rapes you, and you can't
34:03
Speaker 1: do a thing. How long did she lay there in pain,
34:13
Speaker 1: in pain, going in to labor suffering. How did they
34:19
Speaker 1: not know she was pregnant? How did that little fact
34:24
Speaker 1: that she gave birth to a full term baby boy
34:28
Speaker 1: escape everyone who was caring for her, Who was changing
34:33
Speaker 1: her sheets? Who? Who? Why? And imagine her family living
34:41
Speaker 1: with the guilt that they put her in hacienda. It's
34:47
Speaker 1: just it's just overwhelming. And when the boy grows up
34:52
Speaker 1: and he learns what happened to his mother, it's it's
34:58
Speaker 1: just over whelming. Take a listen to our friend Brianna Whitney,
35:06
Speaker 1: a KPH what happened inside the Hacienda Skilled Nursing Facility
35:10
Speaker 1: in Phoenix. A woman who has been in a vegetative
35:13
Speaker 1: state at the facility for at least fourteen years after
35:17
Speaker 1: a year drowning incident, giving birth to a baby Saturday.
35:21
Speaker 1: But nobody knows who did this to her. When you
35:25
Speaker 1: first heard about what happened, what went through your mind?
35:29
Speaker 1: How could it happen? And just anger and sadness sake.
35:34
Speaker 1: This woman, familiar with what happened, has asked us to
35:38
Speaker 1: conceal her identity and voice. She says employees could not
35:42
Speaker 1: believe what was unfolding inside the victim's room, and the
35:46
Speaker 1: staff were aware that she was pregnant until she was
35:51
Speaker 1: pretty much giving birth. How were they alerted to the
35:55
Speaker 1: fact that she was going into labor. From what I've
36:00
Speaker 1: been told, she was moaning and they didn't know what
36:03
Speaker 1: was wrong with her. There was a nurse that was there,
36:08
Speaker 1: and from what I heard, she's the one that delivered
36:09
Speaker 1: the baby. What do we know about the baby? From
36:11
Speaker 1: what I know, the baby is alive, the baby is healthy.
36:16
Speaker 1: Let me advise anyone listening that to assault a vulnerable
36:23
Speaker 1: person or a person in her condition is a felony.
36:29
Speaker 1: To John Limley, Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, what
36:34
Speaker 1: do we know about her medical history? Like, for instance,
36:37
Speaker 1: when was the last time she was examined? The patient,
36:40
Speaker 1: Nancy is at a maximum level of care, unable to speak.
36:43
Speaker 1: As we've heard so, the mother, her legal guardian has
36:47
Speaker 1: received annual reports about the patient's condition. Records from the
36:52
Speaker 1: care facility showed that the patient had been examined on
36:56
Speaker 1: April sixteenth of twenty eighteen, that's eight months before she
37:00
Speaker 1: gave birth, and no surprise, the report showed no indication
37:05
Speaker 1: of pregnancy and very interestingly, I guess ominous. Now that
37:10
Speaker 1: we know all that we know, the doctor recommended in
37:14
Speaker 1: the report that the facility continue its current care. I'm
37:19
Speaker 1: just trying to take in everything that we are learning now.
37:25
Speaker 1: Right now, we know that at this moment, we believe
37:29
Speaker 1: the little boy is healthy. We don't know how the
37:32
Speaker 1: victim is. We don't know what is being done to
37:36
Speaker 1: determine who the purpose right now, the search is on.
37:42
Speaker 1: Decrypting DNA will now be the primary goal of Phoenix
37:48
Speaker 1: Police Department as they work around the clot to id
37:51
Speaker 1: the person who impregnated a comatose woman there at Hacienda Healthcare.
37:58
Speaker 1: How will they do it? Most likely from DNA taken
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Speaker 1: from the mother and the little boy by a buckle swab,
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Speaker 1: which is a cheek swab. We wait for justice to unfold.
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Speaker 1: If you have information regarding Hassien to healthcare investigation, please
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Speaker 1: That's for a zero nine four eight six three seven seven.
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace crime story signing off goodbye friend,