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Hello. And welcome to another episode
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East is a podcaster and a PR manager.
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She goes by the name Dana Gutierrez, I think I got that,
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right? Welcome to the show.
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Hi. Thank you for having me.
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It's such an honor and the surprise.
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Thank you for having me. No, it's the pleasure is mine.
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Thank you. And yeah, let's let's just dive
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straight into this. So that you or the co-host of
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podcast with your sister, which is known as the R & R with Dana.
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And Stacy. So, tell us about what kind of
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topics you discuss on that podcast.
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And who is this podcast? Actually intended for Really
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good question. We started raw and real went out
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last year during our birthday and my sister.
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And I just basically wanted to talk about things about
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Womanhood about the about sex about relationships that not a
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lot of people talk about in the light that we would want it to
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be discussed. So so me and my sister were
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biblical Christians and I know it's like very countercultural.
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The things that we believe in the things that we talked about
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but we're quite Surprised that a lot of women can do, I don't
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know, the word they use is enlightened, they feel
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enlightened. They they kind of see the logic
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of the things that we believe in, they tend to see the wisdom
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behind it. And I think there's a lot of
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normalization when it comes to things that aren't really good
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for our souls things, that aren't really good for us as
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women. And we wanted to break away from
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that dialogue and offer. Something that can be a fresh
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alternative to the women our age.
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So definitely, we're talking to girls who are going through
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breakups. You girls are going through
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promiscuity, a lot of a lot of issues even about re parenting
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yourself family childhood trauma.
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Basically, we want to help women become better adults.
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I think that's what we lack. Well, personally here in the
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Philippines and in our social cultural generation.
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A lot of things that's not being discussed the way, we would want
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it to be discussed. That's why we wanted to keep it
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raw and real. Hence, the RNR podcast slant.
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So in the Philippines because I'll be honest, I don't know
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much about the Philippines, it is it like very kind of strict
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as far as like the upbringing is concerned or like, how does it
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work with regards to that? There's a, there's the Spectrum,
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there's definitely a spectrum. Where you see a lot of very
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traditional family. Is very conservative families.
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Very strict. Yes, you can say that, but on
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the other hand, the Philippines love mimicking, the Western
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culture. So we see a lot of liberated
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people here as well. We love Western shows, we love
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western music and of course monkey see monkey do.
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So I a lot of influence comes from mainstream media when it
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when we talk about certain behaviors, That we mimic.
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So you see those Polar Opposites but there's definitely a broad
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spectrum when it comes to family Dynamics.
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But again the Philippines, we like to adapt with what we see
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what we hear on Twitter on social media and definitely, we
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worship Western culture a lot. So there's that influence,
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definitely. Why do you think that is?
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I mean, I know it might seem like a bit of an obvious
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question certain countries around the world because
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obviously if If you live, you know, so long without exposure
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to that. And then suddenly, there's like
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an influx of it coming into your country.
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Obviously it's going to change. And I mean, even here in the UK,
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there's been a lot of proliferation of American Media
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and things that have affected our culture.
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But in your opinion, why has it kind of so, sort of affected the
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fibbing so much. And so greatly.
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Okay, so me and my sister were, Big on media literacy.
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We like to study it, we like to talk about it, we like to
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analyze why certain behaviors are trending or certain
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behaviors are being embraced, because of the things that we
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feed our minds with. So definitely I'd say it's the
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media's influence. It's the shows we watch, it's
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the music, we listen to. It may not be the only Factor,
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but it's definitely a contributing factor to how we
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Embrace these values if they in and They out cable TV generate
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certain kinds of American shows and that's the only show we have
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access to prior to Netflix before, then a lot of the values
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and a lot of my generation is being raised by the internet and
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by these TV shows and music. Definitely there's going to be a
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shift in Behavior definitely there's going to be a promotion
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of certain values. That I mean if you if this is
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all you see day, In and day out. It's so easy to be swayed that
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this is the norm and the problem is not a lot of people question
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that we like to just oh, well, you know, this is this is how
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things are. This is what I see on TV.
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This is what I see on the movie, so there's a disconnect with
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reality but I mean the audience for these shows are young
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impressionable kids and they don't know any better.
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I mean if this is all you see, this is all you know then this
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This is all you can mimic and I don't know like copy.
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So I think I think media plays a bass, a big part on the on our
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love for what? All things.
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Western you think the the Western influence has had a
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positive effects on the Philippines overall or is it
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been more - like, what's your opinion on that?
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Well, if we analyze and break down every story?
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Or if we if we try to break down and analyze the the storyline,
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the synopsis of the shows we watch, I'd say more on the
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negative side, there's a lot of normalization, on many things,
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like partying and drug, use and promiscuity, and all of these
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hookup culture, all of these things.
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And I mean, there's a lot of glamorization when we look to
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the media for these things, even with body image and self-esteem.
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Team and I just sure there are some shows that can be
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considered positive and I don't know, like not stereotypical but
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I think more often than not, there's definitely there's
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definitely that mainstream voice that we see and there's
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definitely a pattern on values, and I don't know, like a certain
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type of Womanhood, that's being conveyed out there.
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So, I It's a sad reality but I think that that's where I stand.
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Yeah. And I mean the reason I asked
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you that question is that, you know, I've lived in and worked
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in other countries around the world where, you know, people
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that live there were often say like, you know, more.
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Yeah, generally older Generations but I think their
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points are still valid that, you know, they remember how it was
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before the prince of the impact of Western media and they said
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that there's a lot of kind of negative impacts.
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And I do see that, you know, I've seen that in other Trees
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where I can see the old culture in, and I can see, sort of the
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abundance of sort of the western culture there.
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And I think it, I think it's always good to have a little bit
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of Western culture in any country.
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Just so you've got like, A sort of a base point.
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So for example, what I mean by that is, let's say you're
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randomly traveling in another country and I don't know, you
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just you just want some food and you're not familiar with the
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local Cuisine and, you know, maybe a lot of money or
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something like that. Like other people.
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I mean, of course, you don't want to be like, living in a
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bubble ignorant and how the world.
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It's right, but I think, when we what I'm talking about are
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definitely leaning towards the values that these things
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promote, add to that the influence of social media Stars,
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artists celebrities, and these people have black forms now on
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the internet and people can just follow them and maybe even
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worship them and follow their way of life, Embrace their ways
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of thinking. And I think if you're not going
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to be critical about these things, it's so easy to embrace.
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He's whatever it is that they're saying without much thought.
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So I think that's where the danger comes in.
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How do you know exactly how the younger generation are using
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certain apps in the Philippines? Like things like a tick?
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Tock, for example, snapchatter my death.
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I think we're this second, the second most be like Facebook
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Philippines. We love this book.
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I think we're the second country to just do my time on Facebook.
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I figure if you're not the first or the second and then Tick
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Tock, definitely a lot of Filipinos are there.
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So I know we we love social media, this country love, social
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media, definitely, and it's, and it's, you know, a double-edged
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sword. It's your source for news,
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weather, fake or true. It's your source of
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entertainment. Whether good or bad, but
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definitely the Philippines is A country that loves social media.
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Bring it back to poke Austin. Who your main sources of
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inspiration? Wow, that's a really good
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question, definitely. We have mentors that guide us
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mentors that you know, correct us and teach us and these women
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are women who love the Lord. These are women, who are also
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biblical Christians who you know, teach us scriptural
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values, teach a scriptural waste of life and I know it's people
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can say oh that's so. Jurassic, you know, that's so
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old that. So old school but it makes sense
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when we study the Bible and it and it adds to your worldview,
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everything starts to add up. So definitely we have problem of
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mentors in our lives and of course, our good.
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Christian girl friends that have journeyed with us, it's been a
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messy Journey, but it's still, it's still a journey to take,
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you know, to find Christianity later in life.
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Then as opposed to, To Childhood.
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Yes. Yes, I'd say that we, well, I
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was able to hear the gospel when I was 16 and it, you know, it
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was a changed my life, but it wasn't like an overnight thing.
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I'm still learning so much as I Journey the past.
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Well, I'm doing 30 soon, so it's been what 14 years house.
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You definitely, I'd say. I'm only starting to see the
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value and the weight of it, just later on much later on not even
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when I was 16. Not even when I say, you know, I
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think, I've gotten Christianity, not even then.
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But like, how would you say it's changed your life sort of for
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the good for the better or you know, like what How, what, what
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are the main ways that has changed your life?
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Definitely a more. Humbled, the sense of life.
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I used to think that, you know, life is this linear climb to
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just becoming more realistically better.
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Mmm. But that's just far from the
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truth. I mean, we're all in different
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seasons were all going through. We all have our demons We all
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have our, you know, we all are dealing with many things from
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the past, even in the present. And then we have our fears and
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anxieties about the future. But Christianity, definitely
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have a grounded. Me and have really thought me to
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challenge my worldview. You know, how do I see man?
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How do I see the nature of man? And I think it answers the five
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questions that every man asks like what's my origin?
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Why am I here? What's my purpose?
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Where am I headed, what's wrong with the world?
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And how can we solve the wrongness of this world?
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And I think I choose Christianity because it's the
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only thing that addresses those five human questions.
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Cohesively and coherently, I mean I I'm I'm not going to say
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that. Oh, I believe I believe the
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Bible because I grew up in a Christian country.
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I think that's a very I think that's just pure religiosity and
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it's and it tends to lean towards Blind Faith.
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I like to question, I like to ask and I've gone through other
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religions like I've done taoism you know explored brahmanism
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I've explored other Cults here in the Philippines because my
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grandmother would you know, drag us along as she sought for her
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own Enlightenment, the but I can definitely attest that
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Christianity is the one That makes sense.
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It makes sense. And it pushes me to be better.
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It pushes me to Humble. It pushes me to humble myself,
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and do just sacrificially try at least to know, love others, the
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way God loved me. So I know that's a mouthful but
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that's how I would answer that question, thanks for sharing.
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Bring it back to your podcast again.
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What are your goals and aspirations for this podcast?
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You were consistent, I've been traveling lately and I've been
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just caught up with some family stuff.
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So my sister and I paused for a bit but I definitely want to be
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more consistent. Definitely want to push for
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better content. This 2021 and maybe do a lot of
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maybe even Explore videos because my sister and I were
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doing it, just we're recording it.
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And then just uploading a treat to Spotify.
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But definitely, I want to, I want to be more engaged with
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their audience via live streaming.
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Yeah. Yeah.
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It's definitely worth. I must say like when I started
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doing video, I found that just in general, the podcast were
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better because it was easier to kind of interact with my guests
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and kind of gauge what they were thinking.
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When you know you can, you can see what I was hoping.
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I'd see you right now but you know, whatever.
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Mean like in general. It has, it has helped a lot and
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I think I think it helps predominately with YouTube and
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me, I think podcast will always predominantly be an audio kind
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of deal because it's sort of sort of thing that you put on in
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the background. Like, I can't really imagine my
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listeners sitting and watching the entire YouTube video.
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I imagine like most people just kind of put it on in the
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background. Yeah.
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So, let's move it on to your company.
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Now, I want to fully understand your relationship with this
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company is incorrect. You are the pr manager human
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nature? Yes.
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Correct. Okay.
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And this is a cruelty-free completely natural skin tone
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brand based in the Philippines. So how did you get involved with
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this brand? And are you, are you a company
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owner or you just sort of the pr man.
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Niger and kind of what was the relationship there.
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Okay. So I'm yes I am a PR manager and
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no I'm not the the company owner but I would like to be.
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But so funny story I was doing a lot of freedom freelance work
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for peace digital PR and I think I don't know it was just time
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for me to explore another career turned and I wanted to be part
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of a beauty. So, I vowed on certain
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International companies but definitely a big priority for me
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would be company values. Like, I want to know what the
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brand stands for. I want to understand how they
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run things, and then I'm, so I'm also on social media doing a lot
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of digital influencer work. So Humanity reached out to me as
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a guest for their lipstick line launch.
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And that was the time when I was Just like trying to explore
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other career opportunities. So, I attended the event and
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then I just, you know, casually joked around with the pr
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assistant and said, hey, do you have any openings?
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And then she was like, oh my gosh, you know, I need someone
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for a PR because I'm leaving she to the exiting, the pr team and
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no one was going to be there because her manager left as
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well. And I'm like, okay sure, I'll
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send you my resume I'll send you my CV and then it was a very
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fast the next day. I got an email back from HR and
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they were asking me to do a to do an exam, the exam after a
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week, called me in for the initial interview and then at
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after a week I was being interviewed by the president.
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So it's a very, it was a very fast time line, the Swift.
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But prior to that, what's so funny is January of that.
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That year I saw the president of human nature at church and they
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were testifying about their no firing policy and I couldn't
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leave it like a company that never fires.
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Its people, that's insane, but they, but then they were
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explaining that if they believe the grace of God forgives and
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you know, then they too should extend that Greece to their
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employees. And then they started talking
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about the graphical practices like they're closed.
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Sunday's, they don't allow their employees to work on Sundays.
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They give 100% of their top, earning products through the
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poor. They give free hot meals to
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people around that don't have anything to eat.
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And so when they were sharing all of these crazy practices, I
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couldn't believe it. And then I started getting
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around with my friend who's beside me and I'm like, really
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no firing policy. I want to apply.
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So that was January of 2019. And I joined, Their team August
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20, 19, and it's been like, a crazy roller coaster ride ever
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since and I love it. You know, where social
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Enterprise? We are not.
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We're not all the for-profit, of course, profit is important, but
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what matters is the why? And the how and I think when,
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you know, I saw the core values of this company.
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I'm just, like, I'm all-in, you know?
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Like I'm i-i've been freelancing for eight years but if I'm going
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Be tied down to a company. This would be it.
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I go to Probus. No foreign policy saying because
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all right, I'm an open-minded guy, I'm a positive guy, but
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there is a bit of a cynicism in me.
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And this, mainly mainly it comes from other jobs.
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I've worked in, like, I worked in corporate jobs and stuff.
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Like one of the things for example, I remember when I went
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to Europe and live, there was I was astounded by the employment
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laws. They're like, how you could just
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fire someone on the spot without giving them compensation.
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One or anything and they weren't protected there is an UK.
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It's it's almost impossible to fire people because of all the
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hurdles, you have to go through. So the UK you generally have to
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do that. The standard I suppose procedure
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is to have a verbal warning and then a formal written warning
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and then dismissal. And I think that's pretty
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standard for most of the world, but obviously it varies now, I
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guess what I'm really want to. Warm asking is like, how can you
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really? How can you really employ such a
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policy? Because the thing is, people are
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going to come and go for your company, right?
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And not, all of them are going to be, you know, religious or
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all of them are good people, right?
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And right. But the thing is, it doesn't
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even necessarily come down to being a good person.
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I think it's sometimes you meet people and they're just like,
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really lazy. They turn up, they take the
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paycheck or home like when it comes to business and I know
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it's very cliche, but I've always looked at like, you know,
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business Isn't personal? Yeah, it is people make it
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personal, but like, people that actually know how to do good
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business. Focus, always on, you know, are
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these people making me money or not, but that's what you got
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your business. Like generally a business owner,
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will look at it like that. So while that's an amazing thing
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to have as a kind of a PR move like, hey, we don't fire anyone
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in actuality. How is, how are they able to
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justify that? Like, do they do?
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Do they do the thing of like, if someone's Underperforming.
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They just keep moving them around the company until they
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choose to leave or like, what do they do?
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How do they tackle? That is there has there been any
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instances of that, right? Thanks for that.
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And, you know, that's a really good Insight because definitely
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I mean when I heard it, I'm like really though.
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But when I got to see the heart and the reason why they do it,
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it makes sense to me. So as a social Enterprise,
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seventy percent of our employees are from the marginally like the
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The poorest of the poor communities in the Philippines.
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So as a third world country, we have a lot of really poor
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community. So that's where we get a lot of
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our warehouse staff, our sales staff and the we trained them.
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So these people need their jobs because their feed, they like
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ten siblings or like at least what eight siblings and their
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they're the only Breadwinner and they have to make a living.
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So that's I think I say that because you to have a better
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understanding of how much these people need their jobs and human
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nature chose to have the no firing policy, because it gives
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us a sense of trust, you know, there's a, there's a study that
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says, when people are contractual workers and they
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know that in six months, they're going to be exiting the company
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anyway, they tend to perform poorer than those who have
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stable jobs. So, if you know that the company
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trusts you and has It's like a contract with you for let's say
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at least a year or or, you know your your regular employee up
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until you know the company tends to fire you or you you choose to
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resign, they have better performance results.
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And so I think that's that when definitely that happened, one of
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our employees were found out to be Money.
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And so the the in the impulse of our president, the wife was do
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like okay. Maybe it's time, it's time to
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let him go. Like we can trust this person
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but then the chairman who is her husband was saying but you have
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to, we have to understand his heart.
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Why did he want to steal? And then definitely, there was a
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lot of dialogue about that the employee wanting to be a better
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provider. Vidor.
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But, you know, he just had to do it the wrong way.
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He was, he was tempted a lot because he was handing a lot of
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petty cash, so that's that. So what happened was, they
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relocated him to a different department where he started
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taking care of some of the AC units in the office, some some,
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some cleanup services and then he thrived there.
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So, I think the logic there was, let's take him out of the
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environment where he's tempted to do something silly to steal,
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too. To cheat.
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And then, you know, we are definitely strict.
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We're just to say that we have an overriding policy doesn't
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mean that you know, we let our people take advantage of us.
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That's definitely not the case. We have a certain, I don't know,
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like quote-unquote punishments for people who are
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underperforming, but also it's our responsibility to know where
26:32
our employees. Elise will Thrive.
26:35
So, for example, we got this girl to work for the warehouse,
26:39
and she was just so lazy, very unproductive.
26:43
And, you know, because of the no firing policy, our president
26:46
decided to okay. Maybe maybe she's not driving
26:50
there. Maybe let's put her somewhere
26:51
else. So we put her in sales and
26:54
that's where she bloomed. We found out that she's an
26:57
extrovert. She hated me alone in a room.
26:59
It was so taxing for count boxes up in boxes and so, You know,
27:05
these are just some of the stories that may be how the no
27:10
firing policy actually works for us and many people.
27:14
I know it's, it's so easy to be skeptical about this because
27:18
it's like too good to be true anymore.
27:19
Of course, the concerns are valid like your people will take
27:21
advantage of you. People will cheat on you with
27:24
regards to their work but that's just not been the case tube
27:29
nature. So you've never had an instance
27:32
where someone has kind of Broken, the rules, they're
27:36
forgiving the moved away or whatever, and then they've done
27:40
it again. Um, I'm not too sure about that,
27:47
but definitely, we have protocols.
27:51
Okay, and again, there's their the quote unquote punishments.
27:56
For these types of behaviors by under these punishment, We
28:03
lessen the hours. We make them find workers,
28:07
right? Yeah.
28:09
Okay, so that's right. This this is how you ineffective
28:13
I then. So yeah, this is what I wanted
28:16
to get to is like, there's gotta be something.
28:18
There's always, you can't just have a like yeah it's great.
28:22
You know, of course. Yeah I can see how that would
28:27
work. Like I do not think that it's a
28:30
great idea to move people around.
28:32
Try things out. I guess what I'm saying is like
28:35
you is there is a sort of a line you have to draw sometimes.
28:38
Like, sometimes it's important, please.
28:40
I've worked for over the years. When I hear about a person
28:43
getting fired, I always say, well, you know how many chances
28:47
were they given? What measures were taken leading
28:50
up to? Because if you just find someone
28:52
like that, I mean, that's you haven't tried, you know what I
28:55
mean? It's like you said, like you
28:58
should sort of give someone a chance somewhere else and, you
29:01
know, Just because someone isn't performing doesn't mean you
29:04
should fire them but then there's the counter-argument to
29:07
that if you bring someone in for a specific job and then they
29:12
don't perform it well and you know you can't kind of get them
29:17
to perform it. Well, even if you try to
29:20
intervene then why are you keeping them?
29:22
You know, you could easily replace them and why would you?
29:26
Why would you spend? Yeah, resources and time moving
29:29
them somewhere else? Like it's did.
29:31
I mean that's More time and effort for your company where
29:35
you could just bring someone in. But then on the flip side of
29:38
that, then it's like, well, if you've got someone who's already
29:42
kind of in the system, and knows what they're doing, why would
29:46
you want to lose that? Like, I remember when I was
29:48
abroad, there was a couple of people that left the company.
29:51
I was working at one guy been there five years.
29:54
One guy been there seven years and they just, they just let
29:57
them go, you know? They didn't really make much of
30:01
an effort to keep them. From what I hear, like, they not
30:04
like the main thing. I remember saying to everyone
30:06
afterwards was that to me is a massive waste because of the
30:11
knowledge and expertise of like the years, when they leave the
30:15
company, you'll never recover that.
30:17
And if people say like, oh, you know, but what about all the
30:19
work they left behind it? It's like that doesn't mean
30:21
anything. That's just paper were like, I
30:24
remember when I joined the job, there was so much stuff on this
30:28
system that we were using the. We had no For because none of
30:33
the people work there anymore that worked on it.
30:35
And so a lot of it sadly just got deleted thrown away that
30:39
projects work just because what can you do with it is no one to
30:43
refer to about. It is no one to I like when we
30:46
would ask but higher management about it, they would say, well,
30:50
you know, I don't know, like this person was working on it,
30:53
but they're no longer here. And it's like, it's the same old
30:55
story, you know, you just lose you lose so much more by firing
30:59
someone like, I think that you should know.
31:02
Only really ever fire people if they're like, you know, for
31:06
extreme reasons. Obviously great.
31:09
But of course, we also have we've had some of our employees
31:12
resigned, you know, if they figure out that fit believe or
31:18
if they're still under probationary, if they're still
31:23
probies, you know, and then after the and after the
31:25
six-month assessment we find out that okay.
31:29
There's a lot of there's a lot of mismatched when it comes to
31:34
the organization values and the person's value.
31:37
So we let that we let them go but once your regular regular
31:41
realized, that's when you get your, you get to enjoy the no
31:44
firing policy up until you, you know, you choose to exit the
31:47
company. It's been excellent.
31:50
What are the main benefits of your products?
31:56
Okay, so all of our products are at least 95 percent natural.
32:00
So we these products are mostly outsourced in the Philippines.
32:05
So we like to help out our farmers.
32:07
And we definitely believe in Fair Trade, we pay, we pay our
32:12
employees to the double. It's what we call it, the living
32:17
wage. So, we've doubled the minimum
32:19
wage because we don't think it's enough for a Filipino family to
32:24
have, you know? Security.
32:26
So we've doubled it for them, but the products are definitely
32:31
0%. We don't use synthetic
32:35
chemicals. We don't use synthetic
32:36
fragrances, we never test on animals.
32:39
You know, most of our ingredients are vegan friendly
32:42
and we make sure that all of these products are affordable
32:45
because there's this misconception, misconception
32:48
that once you go natural, you're going to have to be like extra
32:51
extra extra amounts of money to enjoy a product.
32:54
That's made one. Eight percent natural but that's
32:57
just we're trying to debunk that myth with our brand, okay?
33:01
And you put X available worldwide, Well, since the
33:08
pandemic hit, we've struggled to deliver some of our Goods
33:11
abroad. But we're trying, we're going to
33:14
revive that this 2021. But prior to the pandemic, we
33:19
were everywhere in. We had dealers in the u.s. we
33:23
had kiosks in Dubai Canada. We're trying to penetrate
33:27
Australia but right now we're here in the Philippines and
33:32
weekend process. All orders.
33:36
Okay, all right, that's good, and because I'll, wow, the
33:40
reason I ask that is that obviously, there are a lot of
33:42
countries that, you know, I crazy about this.
33:45
You know, do UK is one of them, obviously the States and Canada
33:49
and such. So, yeah, it's good.
33:50
That you guys are really pushing for that.
33:52
And I think that's really important for some of the growth
33:55
of your brand, so to speak. Yeah.
33:58
And what are your goals for 2020?
34:00
One with this particular brand, but what was the company hoping
34:03
to achieve this year? Definitely improve sales.
34:11
I mean whatever. Yeah.
34:12
Surely you just how the you know the economy really went turned
34:18
into a slump last 2020 and we're trying to recover from that
34:22
we're trying to boost some of the categories that have been
34:25
hit for example, makeup not a lot of people wear makeup these
34:28
days so we have a lot of you're trying to push for our makeup
34:34
products. It's because a lot of us have
34:36
been working from home, a lot of offices have closed so that
34:40
definitely disrupted some of the categories that we have.
34:44
So I also just want to explore International sales.
34:48
Yeah for going to anyone and definitely to tap more gen Z,
34:54
more of the Gen Z demographic to love and know our brand is there
35:01
any kind of major differences? You've noticed between Jen's And
35:05
then, I suppose like our general.
35:07
We generation said, I don't even know Millennials.
35:11
Yeah, we are wait. We are actually Millennials.
35:17
I figured this out if you're born between 1985 to 1989.
35:24
No, it's nice. Not Yeti. 52, 1995.
35:29
Oh yeah. Which are makes no sense to me
35:31
because, you know, you'd think millennials Mi would be people
35:37
born after the Millennium, right?
35:39
But it's not wait, I don't know, I don't understand.
35:41
Yeah. Anyway that's the question.
35:46
Have you noticed any major differences with you know, older
35:48
Generations versus this gen Z in terms of your the consumption of
35:53
makeup writing habits trends? That kind of stuff, right?
35:59
I think the Gen Z demographic They're they're not big readers,
36:06
and that's not a job or an insult, you know, that's just
36:09
how their behavior is for Millennials.
36:12
We tend to do a lot of PR stuff. A lot of Articles, informative
36:18
articles about natural products, we do a lot of Lifestyle
36:22
Lifestyle articles for them, but we found out that these articles
36:26
are not being read by the Jen's, you demographic, because they're
36:29
not big readers. So, we have to tap Tick-Tock, we
36:33
have to that. Kumu, we have Gap, all of these
36:36
other apps for for us to be around them or for us to be on
36:41
their Radars. The Jen's ears are definitely
36:46
not brand conscious, but they do want to connect with a brand on
36:51
a very personal level. So they like, you know, I think
36:55
for Millennials, sure. We like to see the heart of the
36:59
brand. We like to see the
37:00
sustainability angle, we like to see the How they're helping
37:05
others but not as much as the Gen Z demographic.
37:10
So I think that's the difference and yeah it's just just
37:14
Tick-Tock fascinates me and you know I've been yeah yeah go
37:18
ahead and it's just going to say before we talk about Tick-Tock,
37:23
what did you mean exactly by gen Z and a not brand conscious?
37:27
Like did you mean look, they're like not the not bothered about
37:30
brands or do you mean that they're not really aware of
37:33
brand? Messages.
37:34
That what do you mean by that? Oh, they're not very cute,
37:37
they're not very particular with with luxury Brands, you know,
37:42
like they don't mind wearing non-branded stuff as long as it
37:47
makes them as long as they believe in the efficacy of the
37:51
products. Then, you know, they'd patronize
37:53
that brand. Okay, with that.
37:56
Thank you. And yeah, cycling back to tick
37:59
tock. Well, why does it Fascinate you
38:00
so much? I mean, just the amount of
38:06
creativity and the effort to do something.
38:10
So I don't know if this is the right word for it, but it's It's
38:21
it's mindless vanity. You know, it's like it's
38:29
entertaining. It's fun to look at but at the
38:31
end of the day it just didn't add any value to our knowledge
38:35
or, you know, you know. But it's one I mean it's a good
38:39
waste of time. I mean I love to disagree with
38:46
you. I see so many people.
38:48
On Tick-Tock especially older generations and I'm like, yeah,
38:52
they're just they're so bored. There's nothing to do.
38:55
It's like might as well. Yeah, so that's like, this is
39:05
interesting. I must say, like with a doesn't
39:08
surprise me too much. I got to say, like, I've always
39:11
been quite conscious of Brands, not so, not Brands apps and
39:16
because, obviously, I kind of grew up.
39:18
Up with, you know, Myspace and Facebook.
39:21
Predominantly, hey, you know, I've always just been trying out
39:26
the different apps seeing what I like, seeing, what I dislike.
39:29
Like, you know, like I tried Snapchat for a while when that
39:31
was big back in the day, I know it's still around, but like, who
39:34
really is? It's a good.
39:38
But it takes longer interests me because it's essentially the
39:43
same thing as what preceded it as far as like Vine and And you
39:49
know, which I'm surprised disappeared as well.
39:51
Because Vine. No excellent.
39:54
It's the same thing. Essentially, it's just the only
39:58
different layer is that it's music based as opposed to just,
40:01
you know, uploading standard Vines, you know, also your
40:05
standard videos and I suppose that that that's like any idea,
40:10
isn't it? Like if you bring out an idea
40:12
that's already in existence, then you have to bring a sort of
40:16
an alternative slant of it. But this one feels a bit
40:22
different as in the terms of like how much it's grown, you
40:25
know, that people seem to really and it makes me wonder if Vine
40:30
had been around for longer would have reached sort of the the,
40:37
this would have been as successful as ticked up, you
40:41
know? And I wonder about it sometimes
40:42
because I feel like maybe Tick-Tock is just is better.
40:46
Maybe because it's use it basically.
40:48
A stand it's allows from what for more kind of creativity on
40:52
that sense, you know I mean obviously a lot of the time
40:57
especially now that the issue with with using music as it's
41:00
copyrighted and you getting blamed for it and stuff whereas
41:03
you don't have that issue with Tick Tock.
41:05
You can literally like pretty much type in any song and you'll
41:07
find it. And you can use that as part of
41:09
your video. So I think that's a major kind
41:11
of positive of tick-tock. Yeah.
41:16
Yeah. So So what are your kind of main
41:21
goals and aspirations for human nature?
41:24
And what I mean by that question is, you know, obviously you are
41:26
PR manager and you will have your own personal kind of goals
41:31
as far as, you know, your career.
41:33
But like what are you really hoping to achieve with this
41:36
brand? Hmm.
41:41
I just wanted to be there. Go to brand for all things.
41:46
Personal care. We're definitely still.
41:49
Trying to, I mean, of course, you have the big, the big
41:54
giants, like Unilever and PNG. And I just want, I just really
41:59
hope that people get to understand why natural is
42:03
better, you know, like I've only been a natural user for the past
42:09
one and a half years and it definitely changed my life and
42:11
it's just making me, it's helping me.
42:13
Steward my body better. And I hope that a lot of people
42:16
get to see that to that, just because you're just because it's
42:23
mainstream doesn't make it healthy, you know, like a lot of
42:29
this is also very heavy on that. The kind of advertising that
42:36
these big corporations do and it can be misleading, it can be
42:40
deceiving. And you know, one of the things
42:44
that I take pride in when it comes to human nature is that we
42:49
really heavy on Integrity. You know, if we have to recoil
42:53
products because one percent of there's one percent synthetic
42:58
that our supplier accidentally put in our products, then we
43:05
will have to take them all off from the shelves and write an
43:10
apology letter and say that will do better you know because Our
43:13
promise is at least 95 percent natural zero harmful chemicals
43:19
yeah. What's the kind of prevailing
43:21
opinion in the Philippines as as it pertains to kind of natural
43:27
versus unnatural at what what do people think of the big Brands?
43:31
You know because they are Western Brands.
43:33
They're not you know. Yeah from the Philippines and
43:35
obviously because you're based in the Philippines you're you
43:38
know, you're born and bred their kind of thing.
43:40
Like I said, in terms of the brand obviously.
43:43
People are going to be a bit more, you know, leaning towards
43:47
using your brand because, you know, it's based in the
43:50
Philippines and, you know, people always want to have
43:52
brands from their own country right now, you know,
43:57
misconception because a lot of us still look to foreign
44:03
International brands for everyday use oh shoulder if.
44:07
Yeah but I filled that that's less about the fact that the
44:12
brand is And it's more about reputation, you know, because
44:16
those those brands have built up a reputation over many years and
44:20
you go. Okay, well, if I want this
44:22
particular makeup, you know, I need to go to this brand because
44:25
they have the best products like it's just that marketing that
44:28
seeped into your mind over years, right.
44:31
But what I'm saying is more like our people kind of more positive
44:38
or negative towards those Major Brands versus homebred brands in
44:42
the Philippines. I think the local the love for
44:46
local here in the Philippines, only started to gain traction.
44:49
Just a few years. Back really big supporters of
44:55
international Brands and just because something's local
44:58
doesn't make it automatically. I don't know, appealing to the
45:02
market, usually, usually it's the opposite here in the
45:04
Philippines. That's why we're trying to break
45:07
the stereotype. That just because it's made
45:09
locally, does it make it substandard doesn't make it It
45:13
less doesn't make it any less. Does it make it?
45:16
Have any less quality because that's, that's the mindset
45:19
before, if it's made in the Philippines, it must be
45:23
substandard. It must be, you know, not, not
45:27
so good. But again, we're trying to
45:30
elevate natural personal care products to the global Arena
45:34
through to be have world-class standards.
45:38
So, I think, Well, Human Nature has been in the market for 11
45:43
years. So we're turning 12 years.
45:45
So I think we have gained the trust of our Market, but of
45:50
course we want to, we want to tap more people who are not big
45:54
unnatural. You want to be want to let
45:57
people know that, you know, we're pro Philippines were
46:00
pro-poor were pro-environment and these are good things to
46:04
believe in as well. So when you purchase a product
46:07
from Human Nature, you're not just support.
46:09
Eating the local brand, but you're also elevating the local
46:14
communities as well. Excellent.
46:18
Moving it forward to sort of your, your role as a PR manager.
46:22
I'd like to know a little bit more about this because, you
46:25
know, I saw work in marketing. I've always kind of studied in
46:28
that area and I've always seen jobs for PR and it's kind of
46:33
seems like a completely different role, but sometimes
46:35
there is Crossover with marketing.
46:37
So I've always been interested like what You actually do.
46:42
And so what? Yeah, like, what are your key
46:44
responsibilities also? Like, well, what would you say
46:49
about the key aspects of well-being?
46:51
Like a successful PR manager as well?
46:55
I think it helped that I've been you can, you can see maybe a
47:01
media personality prior to this job because the network and the
47:04
connections. I have definitely helped my work
47:07
in human nature. Be a lot easier.
47:09
ER so as a PR manager, I do, I do the seeding of Articles at
47:15
that point Publications to be, to be the sort of megaphone for
47:19
the things we have to announce. I do a lot of influencer
47:22
marketing, but I also I also do the influencer marketing
47:27
sometimes for the brand because I'm also there.
47:29
And then I do a lot of Hosting. I do eat.
47:32
I've even dabbled in live selling last week and it's been,
47:36
it's been crazy, but it's been fun as well.
47:39
Um, but definitely I really my goal is to be the bearer of good
47:47
news to the public. You know, the things that we do
47:51
the things that we believe in the products that we create when
47:55
we launched it. That's that's on me.
47:58
And I think to have to have a successful career in PR.
48:02
You don't just need the connections but you need to have
48:05
the EQ as well. You need to have the emotional
48:08
smarts, you have to be Be talking to the right people at
48:11
the right time, you have to be thinking about the
48:14
communication, what to say, how to say it.
48:16
What are the highlights? You have to say when you, when
48:20
you, when you say, for example, for example, FDA accidentally
48:25
says we're band a product from Human Nature is banned from from
48:31
groceries and the supermarkets because of a typo, I have to
48:36
deal with that. That's my crisis management.
48:38
That's where You know, I have to step in and explain what's
48:43
happening and still gain the trust of the market that we're
48:46
featuring to. So for those listening who
48:50
aren't really familiar with crisis management, took us a
48:52
little bit about that process and what that involves.
48:56
Okay, so crisis management is when there's a public issue that
49:01
the brand faces and BR has to take care of it, BR has to be
49:07
the one to resolve it. And, you know, luckily, Luckily,
49:10
I've only encountered two. Well yeah, that was one with the
49:14
FDA, the local FDA here and then I forget the other issue.
49:19
But definitely I have to be on my toes.
49:21
I have to, I have to choose the right words to say and I
49:27
definitely also have to keep in mind that we're all for
49:31
transparency and honesty. So if we make a mistake, we're
49:35
accountable for that. We own up to it and we
49:36
apologize. But if Thing is not our mistake
49:41
and were being drilled for it. Then it's also my responsibility
49:45
to stand firm and say, hey, we're not backing down human
49:48
nature, does this and, you know, oh my gosh, it's just been a
49:54
crazy roller coaster ride and I haven't even been in the company
49:57
for two years TR. The person they come to when
50:02
quote-unquote like, shit hits the fan.
50:05
They come to you. You gotta deal with it.
50:08
Hello, that's me. I'm took us a little bit about
50:16
influencer marketing because obviously this is a massive
50:20
Major Tool. I can tell you in marketing,
50:23
it's one of the most important tools right now.
50:26
Yeah, yeah, just just so value. But I mean, you know, co.labs
50:31
and B2B relation to always been a major thing in business in
50:36
general. But now we have, you know,
50:37
affiliate marketing and For you have these these Partnerships on
50:42
on Brands like with band sorry like Instagram where you know,
50:47
just everyday people who maybe just happen to have a big
50:49
following are finding themselves having that partnership deals
50:53
with companies and, you know, modeling their clothes and
50:55
stuff. And and it's amazing that the
50:58
reach you have through these influences and people you know,
51:02
if they are a fan of a particular person, they will
51:06
listen to what they do and you know, yeah yeah.
51:09
It's kind of nuts. I mean, if you think back to
51:12
that famous examples of people, I suppose people, like Michael
51:15
Jackson, for example, like, if he was alive today and he had an
51:19
Instagram, I guarantee anything. Yeah.
51:22
Anything that he would have advertised would just pop off,
51:25
would sell really well, and it's that sort of secure following
51:31
that you have where people's you sort of.
51:34
It's like, rather than trusting in a person, you're trusting in
51:38
sorry, rather than trust in the brand, your Stand in that
51:40
person. Yeah.
51:41
Yeah, exactly powerful tool. But yeah, let's talk to us a bit
51:44
about that. Okay.
51:46
So for everyone's, your marketing with human nature,
51:49
whenever there's a collaboration that we want to do, we
51:52
definitely have to profile the influencers that you want to
51:55
tap. So for example, we're going to
51:57
launch a mommy care line. We're going to have to scour,
52:00
the we're gonna have to scour Instagram, and look for the
52:03
right personalities, who fit the values of human nature and of
52:07
course it The the products that we're selling and then we tap
52:12
them, we give them, we give them credit to enjoy some of our
52:16
products. And then we tell them what we
52:18
want to say. And then if they're on board,
52:20
you start the whole brief and then we check out their final
52:25
content. We like our content creators to
52:28
explore and be creative. We just give them the mandatory
52:31
still include whenever they whenever they post for us but
52:35
definitely we want them to have their own flavor.
52:38
That's why we're getting them anyway.
52:40
So I think one of the key things that's very important with us.
52:45
When it comes to influencer marketing, is that we share the
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same values. We share the same beliefs for
52:52
example. I used to send my, I used to
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send the president, the list of influencers, we like, and she
52:59
would go through their accounts, one by one and just leave
53:02
comments like, okay this girl I find this post questionable
53:06
maybe she's not really perfect for her brand.
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Okay, this is Girl, I like her Advocacy.
53:10
She doesn't have a huge following but I like her, she's
53:13
smart but her in there, you know.
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So our president is a very Hands-On when it comes to
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influencer marketing. And I'm very, you know, I can
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definitely say that I'm proud of that.
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That's one sensible to me. Yeah.
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Because it's all well and good kind of reaching out to someone
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that has like, say 10,000 100,000 followers.
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But yeah, if they're not on brand anything bad, they do just
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immediately jumps on. Yeah.
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Yes. That's kind of cool, you know.
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Yeah. Brand look at who they support,
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you know, they're wrong ins so to speak.
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Yeah, and that's course with the temperature on the temperature
53:48
of social media, right? How people can easily, you know,
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cancel, this person, cancelled culture, everywhere blah.
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And sometimes it's just, we have to be extra careful these days.
53:59
Absolutely. Absolutely.
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Yeah. I mean reputation I'd say is
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more important than it ever has been in business a general right
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now and like you said, you got to be so careful.
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Careful who you associate with and yeah.
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Yeah. You mentioned earlier when you
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were talking about sort of your PR roll like very sort of
54:17
careful with the specific words, you use just like treading on
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ice all the time. Yeah, yeah.
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So moving, it forward to switch things up.
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How has covid-19 affected? You personally really good
54:35
question? Well, I am an extrovert and
54:38
being locked. In the past six months, really
54:42
took a toll on me. I just dove in deep.
54:45
My work became hyper productive. You know, I joined in and really
54:51
clocked in two hours because the company needed it.
54:54
We were all pivoting to a new world, to our new normal, and I
54:57
gave myself through that. But I think the downside to that
55:00
is I get to be. I tend to do, I tend to
55:05
volunteer a lot. If I know I can do it, I'll do
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it. And so, so that's what my issue.
55:11
My boss has been asking me to delegate, like, Donna, you have
55:13
to give other people things to do like, all right, I'm sorry.
55:17
But a few months back 2020 during the last quarter, I think
55:24
it was Q3 when I experienced a panic attack.
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There's the very first time, I experienced a panic attack, so
55:32
that definitely bothered me because logically in my head, I
55:36
knew that I was capable of what the work is.
55:40
Like the workload I had, I was fine with it in my head but I
55:43
think when I talk to my friend, she he was a therapist.
55:47
He told me that, you know, sometimes our bodies going
55:51
overdrive. Even if your brain, you're fine,
55:54
your boss. That's your body's way of
55:56
signaling you to stop and rest. Yes, I was just taking in more
56:00
work, more work. And I, you know, I was also
56:03
doing a lot of client services for info for my own digital
56:08
influencer job. Jobs.
56:10
So it really took a toll on me and when I think when that
56:14
happened I really had to take a step back and say okay why am I
56:18
even doing so much work? I mean I'm financially okay I
56:23
think it also had to do a heart check and ask like are you just
56:27
being greedy right now? Trying to make money trying to
56:30
hustle so hard for what though? You know, like you're okay.
56:35
It sounds to me like a workaholic which is something
56:38
like an Fully identify with and to be honest, as crazy as it
56:42
sounds, I don't know what our listeners will make of this, but
56:46
I actually think it's a type of addiction like almost is so much
56:50
it look like it's weird. Like I'm the thing is you're
56:55
totally your your bang on with this your body will tell you and
56:59
your mind or tell you and a lot of the time like if I'm going
57:02
because I'm always working, I'm always doing stuff.
57:04
And either the weird thing is I don't see it as work.
57:08
I just sit I love and that's the dangerous line.
57:11
You do have basically. Just sometimes not do anything
57:16
which as a workaholic is difficult.
57:20
You didn't even about getting stuff done.
57:22
It's like I feel like I have to do this.
57:26
Like if I'm not doing it like what am I doing?
57:28
I'm just wasting time. And it's like, yeah.
57:30
Sometimes it's good to waste time.
57:32
It's very good. Yes.
57:33
Like you got, you got to have that balance.
57:35
You got it. Exactly.
57:36
Exactly. Yep.
57:38
And I had to learn that the hard way.
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I mean, I still have my Tendencies, You know I take it.
57:44
I take a day off. I take a leave.
57:46
I'm still working working. I see you.
57:52
Got, you got to do something that says so far.
57:54
Remove like relaxing watching. Binge watching something going
57:58
for a walk. Like these are the things you
58:00
got to do like yeah it's so important I think if anything it
58:04
helps for creativity as well when you come back to your work
58:07
you kind of feel regenerated was As if you keep pushing yourself
58:11
for, like, two weeks straight, your body just gives out.
58:15
It's like trying to bring, ya are on on like reserve fuel.
58:18
It's just not a good idea. Yes, I agree.
58:23
Yeah, I'm learning. I'm learning.
58:29
What's the response to the pandemic been like in the
58:31
Philippines that what were the restrictions like and how are
58:34
things like now? My not much good to say about
58:42
that. The government's, the government
58:44
here has been very inefficient. Even if that's unfortunate to
58:50
say, it's the truth. We the economy just dropped so
58:56
bad because we weren't the systems in place, were so
59:00
terrible. That a lot of, a lot of
59:04
long-running companies have shut down because of the Mike because
59:10
of business losses, profit Lawson's.
59:15
You know, I mean, the the politics here in the
59:17
Philippines, it's a circus. If you just check out what the
59:21
things that's been going on, you know, like Phil Health, a local
59:25
government unit was able to make 15 billion pesos disappear.
59:31
You know, it's like that's just Google that my taxes.
59:35
Go do that, the lgu and then you see you.
59:39
Police men not obeying the rules.
59:43
They said, you know they say their social distancing and then
59:46
you see pictures of this Chief celebrating.
59:51
His birthday drinking with his friends and his comrades and
59:55
then he gets promoted a month after.
59:58
Yeah, you know, it's just that crazy circus here but, you know,
1:00:02
as I citizens of this country, we tried to get by and we tried
1:00:06
to do the best as we can because, you know, There's not
1:00:11
much to I think, but one thing I like about the thing, the, the
1:00:18
the this whole crazy scenario is that a lot of people have been
1:00:23
more critical when it comes to trying to address issues of
1:00:30
based on politics and our government.
1:00:33
There's definitely I think, well, there's a lot of
1:00:37
polarization happening on social media, but also, There's a lot
1:00:40
of awareness that's being raised with how we deserve to be
1:00:45
treated as taxpayers. And I think that's been that's
1:00:50
been what's positive to me, but I try not to do comment to ours
1:00:56
online because I think it's just a solid waste of time and people
1:01:00
get to do, get the mudslinging and do curse at each other on
1:01:04
the comment section and I just think it's pointless, you know,
1:01:07
it's not, it's not a diet. A log really has there been any
1:01:11
kind of crazed behavior from people as a result the pandemic
1:01:16
like because I know in the in the UK and America and other
1:01:19
countries especially at the beginning of the pandemic there
1:01:22
was a lot of like hoarding of things.
1:01:25
Oh yeah yeah we got a lot of like many shelves are cleared.
1:01:37
Not sure if you know, we've gone to the extreme like Australia
1:01:40
where two women had to fight for a tissue roll but I haven't
1:01:45
heard anything like that here but definitely a lot of
1:01:48
hoarding. A lot of, I think it's all the
1:01:52
fear around the pandemic just really made people.
1:01:58
I don't know, extra paranoid I guess and I understand that
1:02:02
because, you know, survival they were talking about survival here
1:02:06
but definitely The definitely a lot of hoarding as well.
1:02:09
And But I think one of the things that really took a toll
1:02:16
on the on Filipinos would be the lockdown when no one was allowed
1:02:22
to leave. Well, it does look like exactly
1:02:26
like, you can't leave your house or well for the for the poor
1:02:32
communities. They couldn't do much because
1:02:34
their houses are made from steel like we call it yellow.
1:02:42
They're made from corrugated steel metal and so, it's a team,
1:02:46
it's a cheap material. And they get so hot, they get so
1:02:49
hot, so they leave their homes. And then the pandemic spreads
1:02:53
around these communities, these poor communities, but they can't
1:02:57
do much because they also don't have jobs to help them, you
1:03:00
know, get by. So yeah, there was a lot of
1:03:05
well, you know, we did a lot of feeding programs, a lot of
1:03:09
relief, good operations for these communities and A lot of
1:03:13
fundraising that's happened during the first half of the
1:03:17
lockdown and I think just one of the one of the heartbreaking
1:03:24
things that I've seen is, how our front liners really gave
1:03:29
their hearts to help in any way that they can.
1:03:33
You know, even if they themselves are also like freaked
1:03:35
out, they can get the pandemic and they were the, they were
1:03:39
there. They were the again front
1:03:41
liners. So, So yeah, what are the best?
1:03:45
And worst things about the Philippines, the best thing.
1:03:50
So start with the best things we can laugh at any adversity like
1:03:56
you'd see, a typhoon storming, destroying the country and Yugi
1:04:01
Filipinos dancing around. And doing this song, I'm
1:04:04
serious. Also we were big on family.
1:04:10
We love our families. And we, we definitely use humor
1:04:18
to get by. I also love that Filipinos are
1:04:23
so easy to please. I think that's a good thing and
1:04:27
a bad thing to. And I think the worst thing,
1:04:33
some of the worst things about the Philippines is that We're
1:04:40
sometimes too gullible and we treat our politicians and
1:04:43
celebrities. Yeah, okay.
1:04:47
Yeah. Well, thank you for sharing
1:04:51
that. Appreciate it.
1:04:53
Outside of business and podcasting.
1:04:56
What are your hobbies and interests?
1:05:00
Hmm. I I like talking to people.
1:05:04
I like Gathering my friends and you know having a meal and
1:05:07
talking about life. I like going to the beach and
1:05:11
actually at the beach right now, I'm planning to I'm hey, you
1:05:16
should definitely visit after this whole crazy indirect.
1:05:20
Yes, I shall take you around. Yeah.
1:05:28
Yeah that's it. I like I like being with my
1:05:31
sister have a twin sister I like being with her cat I like
1:05:35
spending time with family that's it.
1:05:39
I think I'm just I just like being around people generally I
1:05:43
guess endings also. Yeah as we draw things to a
1:05:49
close today. Do you have any final thoughts
1:05:52
or upcoming projects that you'd like to share with us?
1:05:56
I think I would just like to engage your listeners to also
1:06:00
check out our podcast but you know, we speak Filipino English
1:06:03
there. So maybe for your Filipino
1:06:07
listeners they can check us out, run real with Donna and CC on
1:06:12
Spotify. And then I'm just really, I'm
1:06:15
glad we had this conversation. Thank you again for having me
1:06:18
here. You're such an inquisitive
1:06:21
person and I really enjoyed this guesting.
1:06:24
Thank you so much for agreeing to be part of it.
1:06:26
It's been a pleasure. Excellent.
1:06:31
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