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JJ Redick · Bussin' With The Boys

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  Speaker 2: That is a huge deal this week, this episode, banger.
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  Speaker 3: That's why I had a cloud going on the entire
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  Speaker 3: time because I was thinking about we had fucking JJ
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  Speaker 3: Reddick on the bus, who's literally everywhere right now, Yes, bro, everywhere, dude,
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  Speaker 3: every way you look, you see people saying like we
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  Speaker 3: need to protect them at all costs. On ESPN, like
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  Speaker 3: all this, all of us. He's on first take a
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  Speaker 3: lot right, first take. I don't want sure what other
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  Speaker 3: segments stephen A Smith and that hairline, yeah, he said
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  Speaker 3: in that airline and mad Dog like JJ's out there
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  Speaker 3: fighting the good fight. He really the boys very very
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  Speaker 3: intellect very intellectual. Yeah, very that's the word. That's the word, guys,
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  Speaker 3: A fucking very insightful.
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  Speaker 1: His vocabulary kind of pissed me off a little bit
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  Speaker 1: because it made me feel less than It's my own
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  Speaker 1: issue though, that is my own issue.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's my own bag to unpacked. Pat McAfee did
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  Speaker 3: the other day like, if you're gonna be done, like
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  Speaker 3: you gotta be a tough guy.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I think when JJ's talking you get a little mad,
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  Speaker 3: you want to get a little tough.
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  Speaker 4: Tough, all right, yeah, so look at me. I'm doing
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  Speaker 4: what I'm supposed to be doing. Then you know what
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  Speaker 4: I'm saying, You're in the beautiful thing what you need
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  Speaker 4: to be.
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  Speaker 1: And a cool thing that JJ said to us was
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  Speaker 1: that like he's like not doing a lot of stuff
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  Speaker 1: with people right now.
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  Speaker 2: Like he committed doing busting with the Boys, which is really.
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  Speaker 1: Cool with him, but then after the party is like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: there's a lot of people ask me to do stuff every
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  Speaker 1: single day, and I just it's so overwhelming.
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  Speaker 2: So I'm not I'm not gonna be doing that. Because
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  Speaker 2: he's been crushing it, crushing it and we get like
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  Speaker 2: humble too. Oh bro, he he was fucking awesome. Bro unreal.
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  Speaker 1: He legit took over the podcast. Low key guys. Spoiler alert.
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  Speaker 1: We're not a huge basketball guys. We don't really know
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  Speaker 1: what's what. We don't have like the knowledge.
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  Speaker 3: He's got a So you know when the Boys were
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  Speaker 3: we're living in those charts.
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  Speaker 2: Living top ten your shadow.
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  Speaker 3: Everyone listening to continue to download our episodes on audio,
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  Speaker 3: Right now, just as we're talking, plut your phone, bring
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  Speaker 3: helps us, bro. But a podcast that listens to five
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  Speaker 3: with us is The Old Man in the Three, which
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  Speaker 3: is JJ Reddick's podcast.
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  Speaker 2: He's got a banger podcast.
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  Speaker 3: Banger but uh, yeah, man, he's a stud. You any
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  Speaker 3: white kid growing up, dude, you wanted to shoot like
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  Speaker 3: JJ Redick.
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  Speaker 2: Let's see, Hey, I thought he was black, Taylor the
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  Speaker 2: day before he.
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  Speaker 3: Came on zero and anything about basketball, Bro, you had
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  Speaker 3: still like I tweeted and had a gift of who
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  Speaker 3: JJ Reddick was. He's like, oh I thought he was
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  Speaker 3: black until you had that gift. Yeah. Uh, but if
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  Speaker 3: you watch basketball of any kind, like you wanted to
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  Speaker 3: be a JJ Reddick back in that the early two thousands.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, got a stud podcast, The Old Man in
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  Speaker 3: the Three. He's the only est panies everywhere. Dude is
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  Speaker 3: dishing out knowledge left and right about the game of
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  Speaker 3: basketball because, like Taylor said, he's arguing with Steven A.
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  Speaker 3: Smith and mad Dog all the time. And also what's
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  Speaker 3: his name, uh Pat Pat Bev Beverly. Some good conversation
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  Speaker 3: they make that the show. I've been doing homework since
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  Speaker 3: the pod. Don't get twisted now, boys, I'm learning about basketball,
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  Speaker 3: like no, And I'm not saying the show isn't entertaining,
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  Speaker 3: but I feel like I've tuned in a couple more
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  Speaker 3: times a few more times, not just because like J J. Redick,
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  Speaker 3: Pat Bev and those young cats are like and they're
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  Speaker 3: like arguing with the old heads and like dropping knowledge,
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  Speaker 3: you know what I mean.
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  Speaker 2: It's arguing for the boys.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, dude, we had an awesome teer talk about pizza.
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  Speaker 1: Pizza was the tear talk, and that's where we kind
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  Speaker 1: of all kind of lost it with each other. I
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  Speaker 1: think that's where he kind of kind of put himself
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  Speaker 1: on a pedestal because he lives in the Northeast.
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  Speaker 2: I think that's what it is, too, Like that's the
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  Speaker 2: word like.
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  Speaker 1: You guys don't know pizza and then my tier one.
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  Speaker 1: You guys both shit on, which is fine. I honestly,
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  Speaker 1: that's not gonna be the number one pick of any anybody,
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  Speaker 1: like for a lot of people, but for me it
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  Speaker 1: was number one.
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  Speaker 2: But he was.
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  Speaker 4: I think he said the best thing we said was cheese,
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  Speaker 4: and that low key is disrespectful.
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  Speaker 3: He was super He's saying some crazy shit, dude, Like
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  Speaker 3: we're trying to have Like he's just using big words.
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  Speaker 2: Dude. He was just said leafs, but he used like
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  Speaker 2: stage and I'll say, he's.
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  Speaker 1: A small word. You know what I'm saying for little words.
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  Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, saying big ass words. Piece
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  Speaker 1: of ship.
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  Speaker 2: I'm getting I'm getting tough again.
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  Speaker 3: But yeah, he uh, it was just a you know,
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  Speaker 3: we're just trying to have a good time. Like, hey,
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  Speaker 3: let's like pick out candies and pizzas and ship like that.
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  Speaker 3: He's like coming ask with some crazy Northeastern But those
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  Speaker 3: dudes those different kind of think they're a lot better
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  Speaker 3: than like the Midwest, the Southern guys.
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  Speaker 2: So you know what's like kind of a stable for them.
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  Speaker 4: You were in you were in New York. Was the
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  Speaker 4: pizza that much better? You can be honest, this list
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  Speaker 4: was really good. Okay, the pizza is really it was
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  Speaker 4: that much better, you're gonna say, and he's just say
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  Speaker 4: it was.
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  Speaker 2: That much better. Oh it's not that much better.
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  Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, Like there's competitive pizza all over
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  Speaker 3: the country.
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  Speaker 1: I feel like, is there anywhere in Nashville you would
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  Speaker 1: say we compete with New York.
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  Speaker 2: That's good question, right. Are we given some free shoutouts?
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  Speaker 2: You just I mean is there actual an actual yes?
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  Speaker 2: Because if my head there might not be fucking Joey
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  Speaker 2: shut down.
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  Speaker 3: I would say that one Joey's the House of Joey's
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  Speaker 3: House of Pizza really yeah, I mean they brought it
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  Speaker 3: on that one time that he tried it. He gave
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  Speaker 3: it like a high eight rating. No way, yes, Bro,
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  Speaker 3: day when he came to three spots, he went to
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  Speaker 3: Nashville is Joey's five points and one other one, but
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  Speaker 3: they all got they all got in the eighth, bro,
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  Speaker 3: really with respect, and I will say five points is good.
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  Speaker 3: You're mouth watering, right, Yeah, Rocking Dough is low key.
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  Speaker 5: So Lyn is a brewery and everyone who's eating it.
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  Speaker 2: I haven't had that. I would love to try it.
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  Speaker 2: You got to try it out Smith and Midnight Oil Bro,
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  Speaker 2: Midnight Oil off fifty. First.
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  Speaker 4: You have about brought them. You brought it on this
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  Speaker 4: pot actually ship.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 6: Well, Joey's brother still has a uh has a pizza
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  Speaker 6: spot though it's called Manny's. It's very similar to Joey's.
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  Speaker 6: There were brothers they competed in like the pizza world.
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  Speaker 6: But Manny's is still open it.
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  Speaker 3: I'm glad you said that because I when I saw
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  Speaker 3: Joss shutting down, I was a little bum that, like
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  Speaker 3: I only had it that one time. He was only
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  Speaker 3: opening afternoons from like eleven am to four pm, not
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  Speaker 3: open on weekends, and only open on those afternoons in
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  Speaker 3: the weekdays.
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  Speaker 2: Is this the plately operational?
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  Speaker 1: Is this the place that uh Portnoy was like, I'm
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  Speaker 1: coming here and then they were like, please don't come.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they were like they didn't want the attention because
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  Speaker 3: they there's always like a long line.
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  Speaker 2: It's just family. It's family opera.
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  Speaker 4: I wonder why they shut down then COVID probably couldn't
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  Speaker 4: have been bro they would have.
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  Speaker 6: I read their ad and it said they're transitioning into
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  Speaker 6: like doing more food than just pizza.
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  Speaker 2: So they're opening back up. Okay, they're not shutting down.
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  Speaker 1: They're getting bigger because everything you guys are saying sounds
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  Speaker 1: like this would be the hotest place.
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  Speaker 6: So it's not going to be pizza centric anymore. It's
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  Speaker 6: I think it's just going to be traditional Italian food again.
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  Speaker 6: That's just what their their Instagram post said, like their
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  Speaker 6: last post.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, pizza's fire, but Italian food for me is not
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  Speaker 1: a really I know?
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  Speaker 3: Is that crazy?
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  Speaker 2: It is crazy?
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  Speaker 3: Man? That wild. No, Italian Food's heavy, so it's not
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  Speaker 3: always like a choice. I try and go to but
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  Speaker 3: foods as you much like that?
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  Speaker 5: Really?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, no it's not for me, but uh anything else else?
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  Speaker 3: Miss Jumping in the episode gives a finals prediction.
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  Speaker 2: Oh he gave as prediction? What was it? You gotta listen, Taylor,
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  Speaker 2: come on different? What am I thinking of right now?
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  Speaker 2: You're good, bro, you gotta listen to the episode. Though.
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  Speaker 5: We do have one thing though, because the whole rich
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  Speaker 5: eyes and remember the video.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, we can just shit it on lighty.
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  Speaker 5: Right behind your seat, there is a device that is
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  Speaker 5: a fog machine and it possesses a not a big
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  Speaker 5: one but a small motor.
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  Speaker 2: It's right behind your seat, will Oh, it's right there, yep,
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  Speaker 2: I see it.
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  Speaker 5: Try and keep it level if you grab it, because
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  Speaker 5: I feel like it's like leaking. But rich Eisen said
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  Speaker 5: that he changed his listen to Jack because it is
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  Speaker 5: that video special you can yeah, just to prove that
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  Speaker 5: it's on here. Because rich Eisen has now said that
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  Speaker 5: he will come on the podcast if we just had
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  Speaker 5: any motor at all. That little device possesses a very
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  Speaker 5: small but still a motor.
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  Speaker 2: Is that work? Does it work? Yeah?
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  Speaker 5: We gotta plug it in and stuff, so we don't
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  Speaker 5: have it. Didn't have to be working, he said, he
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  Speaker 5: could be anything motor.
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  Speaker 2: That's case we got. Isn't there a motor in this bus?
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  Speaker 2: All right, we can do that.
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  Speaker 5: We just yeah, we need to clip it so he
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  Speaker 5: can send it to Rich. He should hopefully be coming
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  Speaker 5: on the show, So Rich, those tweets are gonna still
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  Speaker 5: be sending off until the day he gets on here.
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  Speaker 1: It seems like Rich in the beginning really fucking dug
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  Speaker 1: his feet in the ground on what would make him
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  Speaker 1: come on this bus. And as we've gained a little
• 9:31
  Speaker 1: more traction, it kind of seems like Rich has gone
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  Speaker 1: from doing us a favor to wanting to actually be
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  Speaker 1: on the bus and is willing to bend his own
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  Speaker 1: rules of how he's going to come on this bus.
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  Speaker 1: I've said it once in a thousand times. Its a
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  Speaker 1: huge Rich eisend fan.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I think the.
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  Speaker 1: Interaction between Busting and and him has been incredible.
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  Speaker 3: Uh, yeah, it was painful. At first when he just
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  Speaker 3: wasn't referring to me in the podcast. Yeah, like I
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  Speaker 3: just want Rich to see me type of thing. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: but I agree with you because when you first, when
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  Speaker 3: he talks about you first coming on and talking about
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  Speaker 3: busting with the boys, I'm sure he's oh, like the
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  Speaker 3: like the haters people are like, oh the boys are
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  Speaker 3: doing a cute little podcast.
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  Speaker 2: You know we were for real, I'm not gonna make
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  Speaker 2: it make anything of itself.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, he didn't know. Now look at us. Now you
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  Speaker 3: can play with us, play back and forth with us
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  Speaker 3: a little more on your own show because there's enough
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  Speaker 3: credibility behind it, enough credibility. Yeah, and he probably wants
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  Speaker 3: to get on that. And he's an o G too.
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  Speaker 2: He's no G. But when you've been in the game
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  Speaker 2: for this long, he's here with the times, we're hip
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  Speaker 2: or with it.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah you know, yeah, so he's been an o G
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  Speaker 3: Tier three. You know.
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  Speaker 1: I think at this point we'll allow Rich to come
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  Speaker 1: on the pod, and I'm happy we could do this
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  Speaker 1: for him.
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  Speaker 3: Do I do you are you sure we need a
• 10:44
  Speaker 3: tread that way? Maybe that keeps him from coming on.
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  Speaker 3: I want just don't want him to go back when
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  Speaker 3: I'm playing as you just did.
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  Speaker 1: I know you're right, and if you just give me.
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  Speaker 1: I in my head, Rich is watching this video right
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  Speaker 1: now and he's gone, He's like this on a stay
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  Speaker 1: on his desk and he's look, he's watching on his
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  Speaker 1: screen during a TV.
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  Speaker 2: These guys, you know, And I just want him to
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  Speaker 2: smile with it. And You're right.
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  Speaker 1: I could have been that might have been the thing
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  Speaker 1: that set him over the edge. But I want him
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  Speaker 1: to enjoy this. I'm just enjoying the banter, you know. O.
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  Speaker 1: G Michigan guy, dude, hero stud legend.
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  Speaker 3: Is he gonna missage your Michigan one? Do you think
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  Speaker 3: he should? It should be him in a full sprint,
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  Speaker 3: is what it should be in a suit?
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  Speaker 2: How so would that be? That'd be tool? But shall
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  Speaker 2: we get into it?
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  Speaker 1: You know, it'd be cool real quick if we did
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  Speaker 1: a spring football trophy game between Michigan and the trophy
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  Speaker 1: was Rich, and they would do the Bo the May,
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  Speaker 1: the Boot team in the May team, and it was
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  Speaker 1: just a small trophy of Rich running and whoever won
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  Speaker 1: that team, their captain got to keep the Rich trophy.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: That captain the captain of whichever team. I'm sure they
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  Speaker 1: split up, right, Yeah, pro cool while everyone line up
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  Speaker 1: against the wall. Two captains. I got that guy.
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  Speaker 2: They fucking get the game going. Cool ship. That's a
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  Speaker 2: funny idea.
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  Speaker 3: Thanks man.
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  Speaker 2: All right, let's get to this episode.
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  Speaker 3: JJ Reddick, subscribe rate the boys do all the fun stuff.
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  Speaker 3: Enjoy the episode. How'd you feel about that game of
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  Speaker 3: pay that just happened there? I didn't feel great about it?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, coursewaty right now?
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  Speaker 3: We just played it an intense game of pig, in
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  Speaker 3: tense game of pig, and JJ Reddick was the first
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  Speaker 3: man out.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think what I think what obsessed me is
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  Speaker 4: number one the l for sure.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: But I texted Will yesterday and I said, Will, what
• 12:26
  Speaker 4: do I need to know? What am I walking into tomorrow?
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  Speaker 4: And he laid out a show plan, some Duke stuff,
• 12:34
  Speaker 4: some NBA stuff. There was no mention of mini basketball pig.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: And had I known that, I would have I would
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  Speaker 4: have came more prepared. I would have my whole day
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  Speaker 4: would have been different. I'll put it that way. So
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  Speaker 4: you're blaming me a little.
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  Speaker 2: Bit, Well, here's and let me have Will side for
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  Speaker 2: a second game.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, you guys probably got at least I don't know
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  Speaker 4: ten to fifteen warm up shots?
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  Speaker 5: Why?
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  Speaker 2: Why?
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  Speaker 7: What?
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  Speaker 1: But but usually when people play pig and someone comes
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  Speaker 1: in middle of the game, usually have to take a letter.
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  Speaker 2: And you didn't have to come in mid game. Well,
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  Speaker 2: that's because my driver took me to twelve.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not going to say you don't want to see
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  Speaker 4: the address, but he took me to different a different
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  Speaker 4: address that started with a C, not a K.
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  Speaker 2: And then on the way over here we got stuck
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  Speaker 2: behind a train.
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  Speaker 1: So just shit happens, man, A lot of adversity when
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  Speaker 1: you're coming to and during the podcast on the bus.
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  Speaker 1: But just to argue with you a little bit more,
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  Speaker 1: when you and I were sitting in the corner of
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  Speaker 1: there and we were like kind of first meet each other,
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  Speaker 1: you did whisper to me, I play this game with
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  Speaker 1: my kids, exact hoop exact ball every single day.
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  Speaker 2: Did you not say that?
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  Speaker 7: Was it?
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  Speaker 2: Is that a comment you made? Exact hoop oh ball?
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  Speaker 2: You actually the ball is bigger and harder to make it.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, you know, the there's like a men's basketball, women's basketball,
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  Speaker 4: youth basketball, and then there's like the mini basketballs. They're
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  Speaker 4: like three times the size that the ball you guys used.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: That's what I'm used to.
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: Are you always aware when you walk into like a
• 13:54
  Speaker 3: situation like that, like they all expect me to win
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: this game, and when you do lose in that kind
• 13:59
  Speaker 3: of fashion because it was pretty quick. Is this something
• 14:02
  Speaker 3: where you're just like, damn, these boys like really think
• 14:05
  Speaker 3: they got me for real?
• 14:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, if you guys really think you got me
• 14:08
  Speaker 4: in basketball, I actually feel bad for you.
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: Let them finish, Let them finish and finish. Nobody laugh.
• 14:15
  Speaker 4: No, but I'm just saying if we, if we, if
• 14:18
  Speaker 4: we all of a sudden like did a NERF football competition,
• 14:21
  Speaker 4: we probably like throwing it at a target, like I
• 14:23
  Speaker 4: would probably beat you, guys. I wouldn't say to myself
• 14:25
  Speaker 4: like I got you in football. I would just say,
• 14:27
  Speaker 4: like I won this specific random event.
• 14:31
  Speaker 2: Okay, but it's pretty straightforward.
• 14:33
  Speaker 1: It'd be better, it'd be better and easier for us
• 14:36
  Speaker 1: to stay based on because there was no like real
• 14:37
  Speaker 1: basketball there.
• 14:38
  Speaker 2: We're just better shooters than you are.
• 14:41
  Speaker 4: Again, like at this particular dress, outside of this particular bus,
• 14:46
  Speaker 4: I'm that particular hoop you guys got me today, and
• 14:49
  Speaker 4: I again, the competitive side of me is pissed off
• 14:52
  Speaker 4: and I wish we could move on past this because now.
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: I'm getting angry.
• 14:55
  Speaker 3: It's going it's gonna be a.
• 14:57
  Speaker 2: Few minutes before.
• 14:58
  Speaker 3: Trust me, we do not want to see for take
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: JJ reddick. Really, Yeah, have you not seen the ways
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: a couple I've.
• 15:04
  Speaker 4: Seen you lose your temper, But I don't think it's anything
• 15:06
  Speaker 4: we can't handle. I don't know if I've lost my
• 15:07
  Speaker 4: temp well, I've been animated.
• 15:11
  Speaker 3: You can tell because your vein will start coming out
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: of your neck a little bit, you start leaning a
• 15:14
  Speaker 3: little bit more in your seat and.
• 15:17
  Speaker 2: Does the seat lean is a big giveaway? The producer
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: said that to me the other day.
• 15:20
  Speaker 4: Really, because I know when you're about to get really
• 15:22
  Speaker 4: engaged because I leaned forward.
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I don't even realize I'm doing it. Yeah.
• 15:27
  Speaker 2: I think I've got to be better at this exact
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: This exact video is about Luca and Curry.
• 15:33
  Speaker 4: Uh. Now, this one was about Steven A calling Jimmy
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: Butler a permitter shooter. Yeah, and he's not a premier
• 15:39
  Speaker 4: perimeter shooter at all. Jimmy Butler is a fantastic player.
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: He's you know, superstar.
• 15:43
  Speaker 2: Who als are who all are fantastic players? Well, Pat Beverly.
• 15:46
  Speaker 7: I'm just Beverly pressed me on the other day, you
• 15:50
  Speaker 7: got a fantastic player, what does that mean?
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: And I'm like, I don't know.
• 15:54
  Speaker 4: Fifty fantastic players. The hierarchy of the NBA is really
• 15:56
  Speaker 4: hard to figure out at any given time. But generally speaking,
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: there's like five guys that are it. They are him,
• 16:05
  Speaker 4: and you can win a championship with that player, and
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: beyond that, you know, there's probably five more guys that
• 16:11
  Speaker 4: on certain nights look like a top five player, that's.
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: Sort of like the top ten or fifteen.
• 16:16
  Speaker 4: Then it becomes very circumstantial for the next twenty to
• 16:20
  Speaker 4: forty guys, you know, and like Draymond he's a great
• 16:25
  Speaker 4: example of that, because where do you sort of place
• 16:28
  Speaker 4: him in the hierarchy of the NBA. If we're talking
• 16:30
  Speaker 4: about someone who can go off the dribble and score
• 16:33
  Speaker 4: on his own, like, that's not Draymond, but we're talking
• 16:35
  Speaker 4: about impact on winning, well shit, he's top fifteen.
• 16:40
  Speaker 2: Top twenty.
• 16:40
  Speaker 4: So it's it's hard to rank players. I hate doing it.
• 16:43
  Speaker 4: I hate you know, they make me do it.
• 16:46
  Speaker 2: May have you seen Raymond Green try to play football?
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I haven't.
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's a video fam if you can pull it up?
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: Pull it up, Draymond Green spring football, Michigan State.
• 16:58
  Speaker 2: What's like a good like for an average quarterback in
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: the NFL? Average?
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: Actually, let's go not NFL, average FBS college quarterback?
• 17:09
  Speaker 2: How far can they throw football on the flo yards?
• 17:12
  Speaker 2: Eighty yards?
• 17:13
  Speaker 6: Like?
• 17:13
  Speaker 2: What's good? Oh, so that's a you'd think like you
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: think sixty? Yeah, fifty to sixty would probably be basically
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: I could average D one quarterbacks.
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: Well, that's assuming that what you just said means you
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: can throw the ball fifty or sixty yards on the
• 17:26
  Speaker 1: run accurately.
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: On the run. I mean I can just do it standstill.
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: You can throw a fifty or sixty yards standstill? Yeah?
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: How long you feel somewhere to go? Because we can
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: go right to the field if you want.
• 17:37
  Speaker 4: I mean, I'm gonna you didn't give me warm up here?
• 17:40
  Speaker 4: We can go out to the field after we finish.
• 17:42
  Speaker 4: I have nothing to do the rest of today. We'll
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: play Bay again, just you and me, and you can
• 17:46
  Speaker 4: warm up as long as you want. My ongoing joke
• 17:48
  Speaker 4: is basically that if I had not quit baseball, I
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: would have been a big league pitcher.
• 17:53
  Speaker 2: You think so I had a heater man, Were you
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: a beast? I had a heat? I'll tell you six
• 17:56
  Speaker 2: or four.
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah, well I quit in seventh grade.
• 18:01
  Speaker 2: That's the thing my dad made me choose. But here's
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: the thing I was. That is like the point where
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: you have here.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: I was a beast then, and I hadn't hit my
• 18:09
  Speaker 4: growth spurt yet. I was five six, And then all
• 18:12
  Speaker 4: the kids that I played against that were on the
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: same level as me, they all either played you know,
• 18:16
  Speaker 4: double A, triple A baseball, D one ACC baseball.
• 18:20
  Speaker 2: I feel like I could have had a I could
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: have had a chance. I mean, are you hitting like
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: low seventies as a seventh grader? Yeah? Oh easy. I
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: mean that's that's just I feel that's just a loose seventies. Yeh.
• 18:30
  Speaker 3: I feel like that's pretty to mid sixties. You're like,
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: holy shit, right, you know what I'm saying. Yeah, it's
• 18:35
  Speaker 3: even sixty two.
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: Yeah. If you mound that.
• 18:38
  Speaker 3: Clothes back to the dug out and you're in like
• 18:39
  Speaker 3: middle school and you know, hey, this kid can throw
• 18:40
  Speaker 3: seventy two miles an hour, You're like, fuck.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: I don't think I ever even heard of that. We
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: would like to.
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: Interrupt this incredible episode with JJ Redder to let you
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• 19:05
  Speaker 3: We've been on this.
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: We've been living in Spotify as top five and literally, guys,
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  Speaker 1: it's been an amazing thing. We've been going into two podcasts.
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  Speaker 4: Taylor, honest with you, Your listeners know this. This is
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: more of us getting to know each other. Where Where
• 20:23
  Speaker 4: are you from again?
• 20:24
  Speaker 3: From Arizona from I grew up grew up in Airsa,
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: born in California, grew grew up in Arizona, went to Michigan,
• 20:29
  Speaker 3: and I've been here, so.
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: I do that, okay, And then so Bontaire, Missouri. Is
• 20:34
  Speaker 4: that that's a real place.
• 20:36
  Speaker 1: Oh, I've been there. It's a real Actually, I've driven
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: past there with Willie people.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: It's a real place. Yeah. I have bacco lead Okay, cigarettes.
• 20:44
  Speaker 2: For a long time in my life.
• 20:45
  Speaker 4: I'm not a conspiracy there's but for a long time
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: in my life, I was like, man, I'm not sure
• 20:49
  Speaker 4: Missouri and Nebraska actually exists. Like I don't know if
• 20:51
  Speaker 4: they are real places or if it was just like
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: we're going to put them on a map.
• 20:55
  Speaker 2: Because I didn't know anybody. You know, you, I'd never
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: I'm like Nebraska because they don't leave. Nebraska people don't leave.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: It's weird. I'm pretty sure Missouri people don't leave either.
• 21:02
  Speaker 2: You're talking about where I am right now.
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: No, but you like you like made it out kid, Yeah,
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I mean you told me all the time people from
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: your town like don't really leave that town.
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: That's fair. Yeah, that's accurate.
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: Like Nebraska, it's a similar it's a similar conversation we've had.
• 21:17
  Speaker 3: I feel like most people if you're in a small town,
• 21:18
  Speaker 3: though not a lot of people really leave. I think
• 21:22
  Speaker 3: that's a great point, you know what I mean. No,
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: and I agree with that, like cities like you like, yeah,
• 21:27
  Speaker 3: I don't know what. We were an hour away from
• 21:30
  Speaker 3: Saint Louis when I was growing up, so there really
• 21:32
  Speaker 3: wasn't no city there.
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: There was like nothing around us.
• 21:34
  Speaker 3: So you just get used to the community aspect, I
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: guess of a small town, like when you're growing up
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: and when you're younger, like in my area, and say,
• 21:42
  Speaker 3: you're like good at sports, you like picture yourself being
• 21:44
  Speaker 3: like a head coach of that high school team when
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: you grow up, or like a gym teacher, you know
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: what I mean.
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know I'm I always coach pe and I'm
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: gonna or I'm gonna teach pe and I'm gonna coach football.
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: What was a big city for you, Saint Louis. St.
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: Louis Louis. Yeah. Huge.
• 21:57
  Speaker 3: When I went to leave in Nebraska, I felt like
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: it was big for me and everybody else from like
• 22:01
  Speaker 3: Texas and Cali, and they like just shit on it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 4: Like like when I went to Orlando my rookie year,
• 22:05
  Speaker 4: I thought I thought Orlando was a city.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: It's clearly not a city. It's not a real city. Well,
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: Orlanto's a weird place place.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Every time I go to Orlando, I'm like, I like,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: everything's fake here because it's like the Disney the Disney World,
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: and it's like, oh, there's a castle right there, or
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: like this extravagant billboard, like it's so insane. But really
• 22:22
  Speaker 1: it's just like fake. Nothing's real there. It seems like
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: to me, I've only been there like three times in
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: all three.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: Of those years.
• 22:28
  Speaker 4: I don't know that I wouldn't call it like all
• 22:31
  Speaker 4: of it fake, but it's a transient place.
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: So a lot of people in and out, a lot
• 22:34
  Speaker 2: of tourists google transient for me.
• 22:38
  Speaker 3: Well, he's I mean, he can probably define it for you'll.
• 22:41
  Speaker 4: Be that'll be the easiest word to translate that I'll
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: use today.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, yeah, what is it? Short lived? Okay?
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: He always changes moves around, you know, people in and out. Yeah,
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: nobody's from Like who's from Orlando? Who's like, oh, yeah,
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: I grew up in Orlando and I stayed in Orlando.
• 22:59
  Speaker 4: It's the same thing here Inshville.
• 23:01
  Speaker 1: The first six months I lived in Nashville in twenty fourteen,
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: I didn't meet one person from Nashville.
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: I grew up in this area at all. Everyone's transplants.
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah, come from New York, come from Florida, come from
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: all over the place.
• 23:12
  Speaker 3: What you're you're you know, you're touching the local boys
• 23:15
  Speaker 3: back there.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Well, I mean, is that not true? Is there's so
• 23:17
  Speaker 2: many people from out of town. Yeah.
• 23:19
  Speaker 1: So I'm not trying to come out the boys. I'm
• 23:21
  Speaker 1: just trying to say, like, it's a transient places. The
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: book you know, read a book boys, and it's just
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: a transient place.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: You know, are you stick to be um busting with
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: the boys? I am stoked.
• 23:33
  Speaker 4: I mean shit, man, Like I gotta be honest with
• 23:35
  Speaker 4: you all. The last eight or nine months has been
• 23:39
  Speaker 4: kind of crazy for me because I always envisioned this
• 23:43
  Speaker 4: year of bliss and quiet when I retired, and I
• 23:48
  Speaker 4: was very hesitant to do ESPN and agree to do
• 23:52
  Speaker 4: like a short one year deal, and I was still
• 23:55
  Speaker 4: obligated to do the podcast for another year. So it's like, yeah,
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: I'll fuck it, I'll do I'll do ESPN. But getting
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: into the media space has been way busier than I expected,
• 24:04
  Speaker 4: and so I get asked to do podcasts probably three
• 24:07
  Speaker 4: or four times a week, and that's our exaggeration, like
• 24:09
  Speaker 4: literally three or four times a week. So for me,
• 24:13
  Speaker 4: when I got like the ask from your crew that
• 24:16
  Speaker 4: was like, hey, did he come down to Nashville to
• 24:18
  Speaker 4: do this?
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: I was like absolutely, absolutely, no hesitation. I'm super excited
• 24:23
  Speaker 2: to be here.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: What about bust? One the boys is if there's three
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: or four a week coming to you saying hey, come
• 24:28
  Speaker 1: on our podcast? What about busting?
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Was like, so was it? The bus was a will?
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: It was mostly will? Yeah, most usually great follow up,
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: a great follow on Twitter, a great phenomenal teeth. Yes,
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: he's hilarious. He had one of them need to body
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: back somebody for JJ. Somebody was coming at him. Really's
• 24:44
  Speaker 4: guy named.
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: Chip and then jj JJ gave like a good response
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: Tom And it was one of those things where you
• 24:50
  Speaker 3: kind of like read through the bullsh like, hey, JJ,
• 24:51
  Speaker 3: do you need do you need me to ask him
• 24:53
  Speaker 3: for a favor?
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 24:54
  Speaker 4: I was so scared to clap back at people on
• 24:56
  Speaker 4: Twitter when I was a player and then I was
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: off of social media for like two years.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: It was it was an awesome time.
• 25:02
  Speaker 4: But then when we started doing the podcast again, I
• 25:04
  Speaker 4: was like I kind of gotta be on. But in retirement,
• 25:07
  Speaker 4: I have zero problem lapping back. And I used to
• 25:11
  Speaker 4: think about Kevin Durant. I'd be like, why is Kevin Durant?
• 25:14
  Speaker 4: Why is Kevin Durant like clapping back. Well, he's the
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: top five player. The guy's worth hundreds of millions of dollars,
• 25:19
  Speaker 4: Like why does he find the time. But the reality
• 25:22
  Speaker 4: is when you have the app on your phone and
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: you check on it.
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: It's human nature. You're gonna look at the mentions and
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: like why not. It's very satisfying.
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: Yeah, very satisfy.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And it's a super that guy in a body bag
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: the other day with the you put him to put him.
• 25:36
  Speaker 3: In the Yeah, So like.
• 25:40
  Speaker 2: How's your swaddle game right now? My swallow game?
• 25:43
  Speaker 3: Well now we're kind of, you know, we kind of
• 25:45
  Speaker 3: we're kind of cheating now because we got the Ali
• 25:47
  Speaker 3: swaddle because it's like voo that exists, Yes, that exists,
• 25:50
  Speaker 3: and it is a good it's a very good swaddow.
• 25:52
  Speaker 3: But before we got the Ali, my swadow was was
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: actually getting pretty good.
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: I was like in mid season four, before we got
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: the Ali, that's good.
• 25:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, my wife only let me do the swaddle. She
• 26:00
  Speaker 4: couldn't do it really for both our kids. Yeah, I was,
• 26:03
  Speaker 4: and I went tight.
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: I went, well, that hands has poken out when when
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: you first start then that hands starts creeping, they start
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: scratching their face.
• 26:13
  Speaker 2: There's nothing, it's it's it's a wild thing.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: The swaddle was something that took very seriously at competitive Yes,
• 26:19
  Speaker 3: like when they're kind of tugging, You're like, all right,
• 26:21
  Speaker 3: I'll fucking show you.
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: You want to you want to play games like that?
• 26:24
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. From in there, I didn't
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: really fight back too much. Makes you feel kind of
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: bad after, but while you're.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: In it, you definitely like think, oh, this baby's trying me.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, I absolutely get it.
• 26:34
  Speaker 3: But yeah, I was telling Taylor like, uh oh, stoked
• 26:37
  Speaker 3: that you were coming on because every every white kid
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: in America when you're playing college basketball, they want to
• 26:41
  Speaker 3: be able to shoot a ball like JJ Reddick. And
• 26:43
  Speaker 3: I was more fired up now that you're coming on
• 26:47
  Speaker 3: the bus because I was telling Taylor that you're legitimately
• 26:49
  Speaker 3: one of the first ogs like in the in the
• 26:52
  Speaker 3: active athlete world that was doing a podcast like you
• 26:55
  Speaker 3: did yours for like five years now. You did it
• 26:57
  Speaker 3: with like Yahoo and Ringer before you had to do
• 26:59
  Speaker 3: your own thing. But just the fact that you're podcasting
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: in those five years, like when we started Busting with
• 27:05
  Speaker 3: the Boys, like low key to give your flowers a
• 27:07
  Speaker 3: little bit, like you helped give me like confidence and
• 27:09
  Speaker 3: like courage you like do Busting with the Boys kind
• 27:11
  Speaker 3: of like a Pat McAfee and some of those guys
• 27:13
  Speaker 3: who have kind of like pioneered the space. And so
• 27:16
  Speaker 3: that's like, that's actually like a that's a huge reason
• 27:18
  Speaker 3: like why I was fired up because I would look
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: at old Man and the three, and you're obviously in
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: the in the basketball space, so I never really like
• 27:25
  Speaker 3: there's some out there you look and you're like all
• 27:27
  Speaker 3: their kind of like competition and stuff, but you like
• 27:29
  Speaker 3: you were since you were in the basketball side of it.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, let me see like what JJ's doing,
• 27:33
  Speaker 2: like how he does his stuff.
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: You retired on your own platform, like you own you
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: like own your voice, you control your narrative.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: You give a platform for.
• 27:39
  Speaker 3: Athletes, and so that's like why I'm so fired up
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: that you're on the bus.
• 27:43
  Speaker 2: I appreciate that.
• 27:44
  Speaker 4: I never thought about that when I first started WOJ
• 27:49
  Speaker 4: was launching a platform called The Vertical at Yahoo, and
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: he asked me to write articles for him, and I
• 27:55
  Speaker 4: got this like weird flashback to college, being like stressed
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: out and then having to stay up all till six
• 28:00
  Speaker 4: am to write a term paper.
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: I was like, fuck that, well, which I don't want
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: to do that.
• 28:03
  Speaker 4: And then he came back six months later it's like
• 28:06
  Speaker 4: me and Chris Mannix are doing the pod Do you
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: want your own pod? And I legitimately had never listened
• 28:10
  Speaker 4: to a podcast before. My wife had listened to Cereal
• 28:13
  Speaker 4: the season one about the love triangle and the murder
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: and stuff. Oh I never I was like, I listened
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: to it and I was like, I don't know what
• 28:19
  Speaker 4: to do, Like this is not what I'm going for.
• 28:22
  Speaker 4: And you know, when I started it, it was I
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: thought at the time it was weird. I thought at
• 28:26
  Speaker 4: the time, I was like, I'll just get some reps
• 28:28
  Speaker 4: in case I want to do media. But then I
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: realized that it like satisfied this curiosity in me, Like
• 28:34
  Speaker 4: because I go to dinners or you know, I meet
• 28:36
  Speaker 4: people and I'm like, I'm genuinely.
• 28:38
  Speaker 2: Curious about people.
• 28:39
  Speaker 4: I'm very interested in the human psyche and It's given
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: me this like amazing ability to to like interact with people.
• 28:47
  Speaker 4: And then on top of that, as you mentioned, there's
• 28:50
  Speaker 4: nothing better as an athlete than like having your own
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: platform and being able to control the narrative. And I've
• 28:55
  Speaker 4: used it in some ways, probably positively and probably negative
• 29:00
  Speaker 4: lead to do that, but like I just I enjoy
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: having it. If there's anything that happens in my life,
• 29:05
  Speaker 4: you know, it's as a player, and even as a
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: retired player, I can just go on the pod and
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: talk about it.
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: When you were first starting your podcast, was there like that?
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Then in security that like, oh man, it was I
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: put the start putting this out there while I'm playing.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Am I going to be like oh yeah, Judge did
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: My coach is going to think this way? My team
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: is going to think a certain way, Like how did
• 29:21
  Speaker 1: you deal with that situation?
• 29:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: I was fortunate because the clip the Clippers At the time.
• 29:29
  Speaker 4: I get asked that question a lot. The truthful answer
• 29:32
  Speaker 4: is anyone who is around me as a professional knew
• 29:34
  Speaker 4: that my number one priority was basketball, even more so
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: than my family. And I hate admitting that, but that's
• 29:40
  Speaker 4: the truth. My entire day was structured around trying to
• 29:43
  Speaker 4: be great at basketball. So no one that I worked
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: with whatever question whether or not I was making the
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: podcast a bigger priority than basketball, I think for me.
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: And it's still this way.
• 29:55
  Speaker 4: I still get a little bit of performance and performance
• 29:58
  Speaker 4: anxiety when I when I I record a pod, because
• 30:01
  Speaker 4: like I just want anything I do, I want it
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: to be good. This is why I'm so mad that
• 30:06
  Speaker 4: I lost to you guys in many basketball. No, I'm serious, like,
• 30:09
  Speaker 4: I just want it to be good. And so it
• 30:12
  Speaker 4: took twenty to thirty episodes where I like, legit wouldn't
• 30:17
  Speaker 4: have to chug a beer before I started, just to
• 30:19
  Speaker 4: calm myself down.
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: Really I would chug.
• 30:21
  Speaker 4: I would chug it was I was living at LA,
• 30:23
  Speaker 4: so it's the North Coast Pilsner. I would chug a
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: North Coast Pilsner, and and just to calm myself down,
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: like okay, all right, you're gonna be all right. And
• 30:31
  Speaker 4: I used to fucking keep I mean age like fifteen
• 30:34
  Speaker 4: to twenty pages of notes on each person, and I
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: would like have every question, I have a flow chart.
• 30:41
  Speaker 2: I mean I overdid it.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: And now it's like I record and not do my notes,
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: and I research and I work hard on it. But
• 30:47
  Speaker 4: generally speaking, now it's just like it's natural, it's flows.
• 30:49
  Speaker 4: I'm sure you guys have experienced the same thing. One
• 30:52
  Speaker 4: hundred some episodes in. It gets easier.
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: It's way easier because's you gonna understand, Like the more
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: you do episodes, like I took us about twenty episodes.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Every once in a while too, like we'll do an
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: episode somebody, We'll call each other in the car. But
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: that was like our go to in the beginning was
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: do an episode driving away, call each other like, hey,
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: what do you think? And then we go back and
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: forth on what we thought we both could have done better,
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: or like hey, if I do this, maybe you say that,
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: or like go off it this way, And it was
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: it was a difficult, trying time because you're just kind
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: of in this world that you know nothing about, and
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: then you don't know if people are really gonna enjoy it.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: And then as you do it more, it kind of
• 31:28
  Speaker 1: just becomes like you know what your audience likes and wants,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: you know, like it's much. It's probably easier for me
• 31:33
  Speaker 1: and Will because we're best friends, so it's easy for
• 31:36
  Speaker 1: us to come up here and because what we do
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: in the podcast we.
• 31:39
  Speaker 2: Literally do outside.
• 31:41
  Speaker 4: So if it's just us too, it's never a difficult
• 31:43
  Speaker 4: thing having a guest on. It's not a difficult thing
• 31:46
  Speaker 4: for us because at the end of the day, we
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: can bounce back off each other, you know, and we wit.
• 31:49
  Speaker 2: But it took us time in reps to learn that.
• 31:52
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think with Tommy, I think that was part
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: of the reason that I wanted Tommy as a co host,
• 31:57
  Speaker 4: which our last season of The Ringer. I know he
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: was trying to get me to do it, and I
• 32:01
  Speaker 4: was like, I could. I'll be honestly, I don't really
• 32:03
  Speaker 4: want to do it anymore. So we did it for
• 32:04
  Speaker 4: a few months together and then COVID hit Pandemic hit
• 32:09
  Speaker 4: World shutdown. We have both simultaneously discovered Zoom and we're like, oh,
• 32:14
  Speaker 4: we don't have to do these in person. We can
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: do them, you know, over the internet and put some
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: content out during COVID and then we you know, Bill
• 32:22
  Speaker 4: wouldn't let us own the podcast, so we were like,
• 32:23
  Speaker 4: all right, we're gonna leave. But I think having like
• 32:27
  Speaker 4: that was my motivation for involving Tommy and just having
• 32:30
  Speaker 4: somebody like as a backup bounce ideas off to.
• 32:33
  Speaker 2: Give me a pause during it. It's helpful.
• 32:36
  Speaker 4: It's helpful, by the way, even this year working for
• 32:42
  Speaker 4: ESPN and kind of having a real sense of the
• 32:47
  Speaker 4: landscape of sports media, like being in it and getting
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: to understand it a little bit better. Like we are
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: in the first wave of athlete driven content, the first wave,
• 32:58
  Speaker 4: and like you mentioned you like I was a pioneer,
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: like I think all of us are. I think all
• 33:03
  Speaker 4: of us in this first inning, first couple innings, are
• 33:06
  Speaker 4: pioneers in it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 2: I don't.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: I don't think this is like a novelty something that's
• 33:10
  Speaker 4: going to be a short lived thing. I think the
• 33:12
  Speaker 4: future of sports media is going to be athlete driven.
• 33:14
  Speaker 4: That's not to say that traditional journalists won't have their
• 33:17
  Speaker 4: place in it, but.
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: Honestly, people are star for this.
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: Like we have been fed and soda for the last
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: fifteen or twenty years. And being able to peel back
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: the curtain a little bit and offer someone a three
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: course meal with a leafy green salad.
• 33:34
  Speaker 2: I think people eat it up.
• 33:35
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I really don't. I agree.
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: I think not just that, but like the suit and
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: tie like got to be super proper all the time.
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: I think for us is we're kind of learning like
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: people want to feel like, oh, these guys are just
• 33:47
  Speaker 1: like me k type of vibe, like we might play sports,
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: but I mean we're sitting here.
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: In shorts, t shirt. Barstool does.
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: One of the best parts about hanging out Barstool one
• 33:55
  Speaker 4: of the best parts with You've mentioned.
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: Bill not letting you own the podcast during that time.
• 34:02
  Speaker 3: You said that was during the COVID during Yeah, this
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: was so.
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: Our contract was running up.
• 34:09
  Speaker 4: I think it ended like July thirty first or August first,
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: so it's basically two weeks into the bubble. And I
• 34:15
  Speaker 4: told Bill in June, I was like, hey, you know,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: just so you know, like we are like going to
• 34:20
  Speaker 4: other companies and being like, do you want to help.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: Us sell ads on our podcast.
• 34:25
  Speaker 4: I'm you know, I want to be transparent with you
• 34:27
  Speaker 4: that this is happening, so please make an offer. And
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: you know, they made an offer, but they were the
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: only company that was like, you can't own it. And
• 34:38
  Speaker 4: this was right around the time of of the Ringer
• 34:40
  Speaker 4: sale to Spotify and so and not to.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: Mention Barstool with color Daddy, like there was a lot
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: of IP conversation.
• 34:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, And so that was just it wasn't even
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: it wasn't even a money issue because it honestly, honestly,
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: the Ringer offered us more guaranteed money than anyone else.
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: But it was just like I just wanted to own
• 34:59
  Speaker 4: the IP, even like simple stuff that you want to
• 35:02
  Speaker 4: do down the line with, you know, conversations or episodes.
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: It's like, well, if I don't have control of that,
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: like what good is it? You know?
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: And so it really just became bottom line, like are
• 35:14
  Speaker 4: you gonna let me own it? And he said no,
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: And I said, okay, no hard feelings, that's fine, We're
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: moving on.
• 35:19
  Speaker 2: No what was it called before the JJ Ready podcast?
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: And he wouldn't let Yeah, yeah, and and they So
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: we lost.
• 35:28
  Speaker 4: I mean, it's the same thing that barstool with McAfee. Yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 4: is Pat McAfee showing us Pat McAfee two point zero?
• 35:33
  Speaker 2: Correct, for sure, But you just almost think, like, man,
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: it's we lost.
• 35:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So we lost kind of crazy, right, We lost
• 35:39
  Speaker 4: our subscriber base obviously are to be the biggest thing, right,
• 35:44
  Speaker 4: And I had done it twice already because I lost
• 35:46
  Speaker 4: it when I left the Ringer. Yeahoo, I love I
• 35:48
  Speaker 4: lost mine then, so I've had to restart three times basically, which.
• 35:53
  Speaker 3: Well, what's huge, but I think speaks so good to
• 35:55
  Speaker 3: your audience. It was like very like intriguing when like
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: learning about you when we were doing Bustle with Boys,
• 36:00
  Speaker 3: was that, Yeah, you guys amassed one hundred thousand subscribers
• 36:05
  Speaker 3: on YouTube within six weeks.
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: On our old Man. Yeah.
• 36:10
  Speaker 4: I mean that's the thing that we realized early on.
• 36:15
  Speaker 4: It was like an epiphany moment we had my last
• 36:19
  Speaker 4: year with the Ringer, we did Zion in person in
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: LA and it was his first long form interview. And
• 36:27
  Speaker 4: we did Jimmy right before literally two weeks before COVID
• 36:32
  Speaker 4: and March eleventh and the you know, the world shutdown.
• 36:35
  Speaker 4: Basically we put that on YouTube and those are still
• 36:37
  Speaker 4: the two most watched videos on the Ringer YouTube channel.
• 36:41
  Speaker 4: So is this epiphany moment We're like, oh, not only
• 36:44
  Speaker 4: is it audio, Like podcast should be audio, they should
• 36:46
  Speaker 4: be video, and then we should probably put stuff on
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: social and so like all of those things helped just
• 36:51
  Speaker 4: grow the brand and grow the audience. And you know,
• 36:55
  Speaker 4: I talk with people all the time that either want
• 36:58
  Speaker 4: to do business with a podcast at or you know,
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: our contract is up, and so you know we're we're
• 37:03
  Speaker 4: talking about potentially, you know, doing deals with other people.
• 37:06
  Speaker 4: But it's like, I don't care about anything else. I
• 37:09
  Speaker 4: just want to grow the audience. I just want people
• 37:12
  Speaker 4: to appreciate the content. When I have a guest on,
• 37:16
  Speaker 4: I want people to walk away and be like, hey,
• 37:18
  Speaker 4: I'm a fan of that guy now. Like Pat Beverly
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: is a great example of that. Like he is a
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: divisive player because of whatever however you view his antics
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: on the court. But the greatest compliment I can get
• 37:30
  Speaker 4: is like I have Pat Beverly on the show, and
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: people like I used to hate Pat Beverley.
• 37:34
  Speaker 2: I like him now. That to me is like that's it.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: That's the juice for me.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, pretty impressive.
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: And you said yeah, and I was like, oh no,
• 37:48
  Speaker 2: on this.
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the juice for me is basically coming on YouTube
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: mostly and like seeing like subscriber, seeing people commenting and
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: like just loving what we're doing. It's it's still a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: cret thought process to me that we're sitting here on
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: mics on cameras and you when you play a sport
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: your whole life and you think, oh, this is all
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: really ever be good at? This is my this is
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: my one crack at the big whatever I'm supposed to
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: do in this world, and then you go branch off
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and do something like this, and it's like you don't
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: know if it's gonna work. Then all of a sudden,
• 38:19
  Speaker 1: like it's kind of blowing up in a way that
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: you're like, I can't believe people like this because it's
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: so natural and easy for us to do.
• 38:27
  Speaker 4: So it's just fun. I do love it when people
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: come on this this say I thought I didn't like
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: this guy, but I do like this guy. But for me,
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: it's just like it's given me. I feel safer in
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: my own life after doing a podcast as far as
• 38:42
  Speaker 4: like a session, Yeah, but it is, Uh, it's actually
• 38:46
  Speaker 4: thing I think about all the time. There used to
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: be a point in my life where I was like football,
• 38:49
  Speaker 4: that's like the only main income I have. Like, yeah,
• 38:51
  Speaker 4: I've made a lot of money in football, but like
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: what if this and what if that? Like, am I
• 38:54
  Speaker 4: going to ever be able to you know, I'm not
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: gonna have to go work a nine to five job
• 38:58
  Speaker 4: or something like that. And then once we started doing
• 39:00
  Speaker 4: and I started really making money, I was like, oh,
• 39:03
  Speaker 4: like I'm gonna be okay no matter what, Like, no
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: matter what, I do in my life.
• 39:06
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be fine. Like this was like that step,
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: that little piece for me to be like, Okay, I'm
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: gonna be all right and thing's gonna work out.
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: I knew going into my last year of my contract
• 39:17
  Speaker 4: with the Pelicans that it was gonna be my last year, and.
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: The other side of that was so terrifying. It was
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: so scary.
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: And I and I had had a podcast, but I
• 39:29
  Speaker 4: again it was like it was podcasting my future.
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: I didn't know.
• 39:33
  Speaker 4: And it almost feels weird to say podcasting is my future.
• 39:36
  Speaker 4: Just you're like is that even a thing? But I, oh, yeah,
• 39:38
  Speaker 4: it's the thing.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: I know, I know, but like what what you were like? Yeah,
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: but you first kind of started like is this really
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: a feel? And like the last three four years I
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: called come into it.
• 39:46
  Speaker 4: My parents, actually my parents called me because they were
• 39:49
  Speaker 4: worried about me. It was a New Year's morning. We
• 39:52
  Speaker 4: had played a road game in Oklahoma City. I think
• 39:54
  Speaker 4: the night before I got in late. I went to
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: bed at like three am, woke up at eight. I
• 40:00
  Speaker 4: had a miscall for my mom. So I called my
• 40:01
  Speaker 4: mom back and she was like, you know, we're really
• 40:03
  Speaker 4: worried about you. My family was in Brooklyn and I
• 40:06
  Speaker 4: was living on my own in New Orleans, and I
• 40:09
  Speaker 4: was like super emotional because on Christmas morning, we were
• 40:12
  Speaker 4: in Miami and my wife had sent me a video
• 40:14
  Speaker 4: of my now yeah, five year old running down the
• 40:17
  Speaker 4: stairs to the Christmas tree. And I basically checked out
• 40:20
  Speaker 4: at that moment, like I was like, I just want
• 40:22
  Speaker 4: to be home. I don't want to do this and
• 40:23
  Speaker 4: my mom. I told my mom, was like, I just
• 40:26
  Speaker 4: want to get in my car and drive from New
• 40:29
  Speaker 4: Orleans back to New York City. I just want to
• 40:31
  Speaker 4: be home. And She's like, why don't you? And I said,
• 40:35
  Speaker 4: because I'm fucking terrified, Mom, Like, I'm so scared of
• 40:39
  Speaker 4: what the rest of my life is. Like, think about
• 40:43
  Speaker 4: you guys, play U sports. I'm guessing I started at
• 40:46
  Speaker 4: seven years old. I'm thirty seven now, I retired at
• 40:50
  Speaker 4: thirty seven. Thirty years of my life. I'm not great
• 40:53
  Speaker 4: at math, but I would guarantee that's probably high eighty
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: percent of my life. Eighty nine percent of my life
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: has been wrapped up in sports. My identity, my ego, structure,
• 41:03
  Speaker 4: everything is so ingrained in being a basketball player.
• 41:08
  Speaker 2: And like letting go of that, letting go of that thing. Fuck, dude,
• 41:12
  Speaker 2: it was terrifying.
• 41:13
  Speaker 4: But I can say to your point about like feeling
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: safe about it, like, no, I can. I can do
• 41:19
  Speaker 4: other things, and maybe it's maybe it's this for a while,
• 41:22
  Speaker 4: maybe it's something else, but I'm it's a weird place
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: to be, you know, basically a year out of retirement
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: to be like, Okay, I'm gonna be fine, my life's
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: gonna be okay, everything's gonna be all right.
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: Getting to that other side of it, because you're right,
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: like it's that example. We spend, however, many years of
• 41:39
  Speaker 3: our life just doing one thing, and I feel like
• 41:42
  Speaker 3: like you're probably the same way. Like even when you're
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: in it, you have interests, and every kind of player
• 41:46
  Speaker 3: and athletes feels like they have something they're kind of
• 41:49
  Speaker 3: lining themselves up for. They have a curiosity or a
• 41:51
  Speaker 3: i'm gonna do this afterwards, everybody feels confident. But when
• 41:54
  Speaker 3: those like for me, it was just like three years ago,
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: I thought that could potentially have been my last year,
• 41:59
  Speaker 3: and you're just like I was getting into real estate,
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: I was journaling up the podcast what it could look like,
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: but I was just terrified. I'm like, man, I'm not
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: playing a whole lot this year, like this could be it,
• 42:07
  Speaker 3: Like I truly have to. I've always been the guy
• 42:10
  Speaker 3: that felt comfortable and be like, oh, I'll figure something out,
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: like I already have a few things going blah blah blah,
• 42:14
  Speaker 3: but man, I really have to figure out like what
• 42:16
  Speaker 3: I enjoy because this could be coming faster than what
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I realize. And and for me with the podcast stuff,
• 42:22
  Speaker 3: like it's it's like like you were saying it like
• 42:24
  Speaker 3: scratches that curiosity that itach that you have.
• 42:27
  Speaker 2: Like I love like talking to people.
• 42:28
  Speaker 3: I feel like if I get to learn something about somebody,
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: like we've had on like Darren Waller, Max, We've had
• 42:33
  Speaker 3: on a lot of incredible people, but a couple of
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: those stories saying now where Max is talking about his sobriety,
• 42:38
  Speaker 3: Darren Waller's talking about his sobriety and just going in
• 42:40
  Speaker 3: depth and like like giving athletes kind of a platform
• 42:44
  Speaker 3: to talk about stuff, and like you said, like I'll
• 42:47
  Speaker 3: you'll have people call and be like, yo, I didn't
• 42:48
  Speaker 3: fuck with that guy, but that's really cool, or it's
• 42:50
  Speaker 3: just like yo, I like this person, but man I
• 42:52
  Speaker 3: did not know he fucking went through that. And it's
• 42:54
  Speaker 3: like really cool that you guys are able to like
• 42:57
  Speaker 3: peel back layers because they feel comfortable sitting in front
• 43:00
  Speaker 3: of you. Because we're all athletes, right, Because a lot
• 43:02
  Speaker 3: of stuff that you'll give a microphone or the reporters
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: or something you're either in the locker room when you're
• 43:07
  Speaker 3: you're your backup or somebody that you're competing with sitting
• 43:09
  Speaker 3: next to you, Like guys are around there, you're not walls.
• 43:12
  Speaker 2: Yeah, everything's up.
• 43:12
  Speaker 3: You're not gonna you're not gonna actually give reporters and
• 43:15
  Speaker 3: talk about stuff, not because you won't give it to
• 43:17
  Speaker 3: the reporter. One you won't give it to the reporter,
• 43:18
  Speaker 3: but also like the environment you're in, you're just not
• 43:21
  Speaker 3: your guards up, like you said, egos are going and
• 43:23
  Speaker 3: like when you're on something like this, I just feel
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: like everybody feels more comfortable when they're talking with like
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: athletes or there's more of like an unfiltered approach, like
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: being for the boys. We tell everybody if there's something
• 43:32
  Speaker 3: that you don't like, let us know. We'll take it off.
• 43:35
  Speaker 3: Like we've talked about jerk off stories that somebody's wanted
• 43:38
  Speaker 3: theirs off.
• 43:38
  Speaker 2: We kept ours on, but somewhere.
• 43:40
  Speaker 6: It's like, yo, just be yourself.
• 43:41
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, like you know, just let it fly
• 43:44
  Speaker 2: and be yourself. And if you're yeah, yeah, you're driving
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: very much. You want to take a coup, we'll take
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: it off.
• 43:49
  Speaker 1: People ask me all the time what this podcast is about.
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: I literally go, I think it's just like a bunch
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: of guys in the locker room talking. Yeah, it's like
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: the conversations you would have. But another thing to what
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: you were saying is, like we talk about all the time,
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: like how you have like these blinders on how you're
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: so zoomed into the world that you live in, and
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: like not only let's say besides the podcast, like football,
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: Like I go and play football, and then I spend
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: time in the off season watching free agency, and then
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: I spend time watching the combine. Then I watched the
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: draft and see you the guys I'm gonna go again
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: soon what they're gonna be like, and then the like
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: shortly after that, the schedule comes out and then you're
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: in OTAs and then you have that six weeks break
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: where you're just so focused and in like your fight
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: camp going into camp.
• 44:27
  Speaker 2: It's a year round thing.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: And what this has allowed us to do or especially
• 44:32
  Speaker 1: myself because I get super caught up in like thinking
• 44:35
  Speaker 1: like everyone is so focused and dialed in on Tennessee
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: Titan football when really, if I just like zoom out
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: for a second, it's like there's a there's a bunch
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: of people that are but for the most part, like,
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: ain't nobody gives a shit what I'm doing.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: It's like I'll be in camp and it'll be the
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: middle of August and it's I'm right in the middle.
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: The start is too far to see and the and
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: the end's not close enough, and you're just kind of
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: like fucking in it. And you have a day off
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and you go drive home and you say, you know what,
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go cruise down Broadway.
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: Real quick and see what's going on.
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: And you go down Broadway and you see every type
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: of person walking up and down, drinking, having a good
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: time going. They don't give two shits at the Tennessee
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: Times had practice today, or we were watching film, or
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: who we're gonna play. And it allows you to be like, oh,
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: like I'm gonna be It's gonna be all right. It's
• 45:24
  Speaker 1: kind of comes down to is like, oh, this isn't
• 45:27
  Speaker 1: as overwhelming consuming to everybody as you think it is.
• 45:31
  Speaker 4: I experienced that at Duke because I felt like I
• 45:35
  Speaker 4: feel like I was like they all wanted it there.
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: Like I was in a fishball at Duke, and.
• 45:41
  Speaker 4: When I got on the other side of it, I
• 45:42
  Speaker 4: was like, oh, you know, like Duke basketball, like it's
• 45:45
  Speaker 4: well known, but it's not actually like that important. But
• 45:49
  Speaker 4: at the time, it felt like every single thing I
• 45:52
  Speaker 4: did was live or die. It felt very intense to me.
• 45:57
  Speaker 4: I did to asker you guys a question because I
• 45:59
  Speaker 4: was my best friend. He works in television in LA
• 46:02
  Speaker 4: and I had lunch with him yesterday and I was
• 46:03
  Speaker 4: talking about the other side of sports, you know, being
• 46:08
  Speaker 4: retired and whatever, and he's like, you know, you used
• 46:10
  Speaker 4: to used to say this shit all the time when
• 46:12
  Speaker 4: when you were a player, Like used to say you
• 46:14
  Speaker 4: wanted to quit, used to say you wanted to retire.
• 46:16
  Speaker 4: And I'm like, I'm curious if you guys, in your career,
• 46:18
  Speaker 4: even if it was a great season, that moment you're
• 46:21
  Speaker 4: talking about when you're driving down Broadway and you're like,
• 46:23
  Speaker 4: people are just having a.
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: Normal good time.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: Like there's so many things that I felt like I
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: miss missed out on, like Christmas being an example. I
• 46:30
  Speaker 4: think I think I played on Christmas Day twelve times
• 46:33
  Speaker 4: in fifteen years, and I carried I carried like a
• 46:38
  Speaker 4: little bit of resentment about that, Like I don't know
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: what it was. And there were moments where I was like,
• 46:44
  Speaker 4: you know, I could do something, why don't I do
• 46:46
  Speaker 4: something else? Like I started thinking about that. Actually it
• 46:48
  Speaker 4: was right after I had my first kid, because I
• 46:50
  Speaker 4: could change my perspective about my time basically, And I
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: don't know, it's like I was. I was definitely still
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: into it. I was definitely still committed, even more so
• 47:00
  Speaker 4: at the end of my career. I was a fucking psycho,
• 47:02
  Speaker 4: But like I still carried like a little bit of
• 47:05
  Speaker 4: resentment about all the things that went into it that
• 47:08
  Speaker 4: prevented me from doing other things.
• 47:10
  Speaker 2: Did you guys, Do you guys feel that at all?
• 47:12
  Speaker 3: If I feel like me feeling it was probably if anything,
• 47:15
  Speaker 3: in the last couple of years, like when I know,
• 47:17
  Speaker 3: I'm kind of like I have a foot out the door,
• 47:20
  Speaker 3: like I kind of know what I want to lean
• 47:21
  Speaker 3: into and do when I'm done now with bustling with
• 47:23
  Speaker 3: the boys and everything else, and so you think about
• 47:25
  Speaker 3: it a lot more like when I'm in the season,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: but I would say, like the first large the first
• 47:29
  Speaker 3: like seven years, I more so think like I can't
• 47:32
  Speaker 3: wait to do this when football's over with, like because
• 47:35
  Speaker 3: it would be the same.
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: Thing like with Thanksgiving.
• 47:37
  Speaker 3: You don't get to do any of the holidays like
• 47:38
  Speaker 3: during the season, like Thanksgiving, Halloween, Christmas, all these things.
• 47:43
  Speaker 3: New Years, it'd be more so like I can't wait
• 47:45
  Speaker 3: to do this, like when I get done.
• 47:47
  Speaker 4: Playing complaining not complaining. No, But it's because it's a
• 47:50
  Speaker 4: great life and I'm I was. I never felt any
• 47:54
  Speaker 4: sense of like ingratitude. I was always grateful. I was
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: always you know, I would still like even my fifty
• 48:00
  Speaker 4: and you're super frustrated, Like dude, I have fucking thirty
• 48:02
  Speaker 4: six and I'm in the NBA, Like how fucking cool
• 48:04
  Speaker 4: is this?
• 48:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean. Like I loved it
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: every day, but still there were there were moments. There
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: were moments.
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: Everyone goes through the grasses greener And the thing is,
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: there's so many different lives you can live on this world,
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: and so everyone always daydreams and think about what if.
• 48:17
  Speaker 1: I always I remember being in college and like having
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: to get my weight up because I came into college
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: super underweight. I remember thinking to myself, like, man, when
• 48:25
  Speaker 1: I'm done playing football, I'm gonna be so like jacked
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: and skinny, and like I still to this day, I'm like, man,
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: I cannot I can't wait to fucking lose sixty pounds,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: you know, And I can't wait to do this and this,
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: and there was I mean, we talked about it. We
• 48:37
  Speaker 1: talked about all the time, Like during the season last year,
• 48:39
  Speaker 1: the season I was having I had him over the house,
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm gonna retire. I'm done, like and you
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: kind of but that's when you're like so in it,
• 48:45
  Speaker 1: and then you start to realize, like, hey, you're in
• 48:47
  Speaker 1: the NFL.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: How cool is this? Regardless, like it's just hope.
• 48:50
  Speaker 3: You're living.
• 48:51
  Speaker 1: Every kid's dream has to be a professional athlete at
• 48:55
  Speaker 1: it's some position.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: We did it.
• 48:56
  Speaker 3: We made gratulations, we fucking made congratulations.
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: We made it, and it's just cool. It's a cool vibe.
• 49:02
  Speaker 1: But yeah, there are there's always something you want to
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: do other than what you're doing at that moment.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: YEA, yeah, I think I've retired with the last three years.
• 49:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, every year, this is it, this is known will
• 49:13
  Speaker 4: every single year he's been like this is the last one?
• 49:16
  Speaker 2: Is the last one? And now we're talking about your ten.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: You know, it's just crazy. Do you think, like I'm.
• 49:22
  Speaker 3: Curious too, do you think there's a difference in basketball
• 49:25
  Speaker 3: and football like doing the media stuff and having personalities?
• 49:27
  Speaker 3: But I think because I think it's like it's wild
• 49:30
  Speaker 3: that Draymond has a podcast. I think it's awesome, but
• 49:34
  Speaker 3: I'm like, damn, like he's got some stones. When you
• 49:36
  Speaker 3: go do a podcast like right after a game and
• 49:38
  Speaker 3: talking about the game, like, do you feel like there's
• 49:40
  Speaker 3: a difference there because you obviously did the pot for
• 49:42
  Speaker 3: like five years, Like what's the sense? Like, what's the
• 49:44
  Speaker 3: sense like when you're around all the guys, Because when
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: I went to Vegas last year, like everybody kind of
• 49:49
  Speaker 3: knew about the podcast.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I know everybody liked this, so it was all good.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: But when I was in the building and seeing guys
• 49:54
  Speaker 3: work and appreciating kind of like, damn, like these dudes
• 49:57
  Speaker 3: like fucking they love like I love, But I'm like
• 50:00
  Speaker 3: they love ball way more than the spot that I'm
• 50:02
  Speaker 3: at in my career right now, to where you almost
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: you almost feel bad bringing up any of the stuff
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: because you don't want to seem like you're like not
• 50:09
  Speaker 3: in it as much as they are.
• 50:11
  Speaker 2: Yeah, again, I go back to that point. I don't.
• 50:13
  Speaker 4: I go back to like any teammate I've ever been around,
• 50:17
  Speaker 4: like saw the dedication of work I put in, So
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: I never sort of worried about that. On the basketball
• 50:24
  Speaker 4: football side, I mean, that's probably part of a larger
• 50:27
  Speaker 4: conversation just about the empowerment that NBA players have right now,
• 50:33
  Speaker 4: the player empowerment era that we're in the middle of
• 50:36
  Speaker 4: right now, relative to the NFL. And I don't think
• 50:39
  Speaker 4: the NFL has gotten to the level that the NBA has.
• 50:43
  Speaker 4: And probably some of that is are guaranteed contracts.
• 50:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah they are.
• 50:47
  Speaker 3: They run the league more.
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: You know, again, it's you get the right guys. You
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: can not predict, Like it's a lot more competive now,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: but it's a lot easier to.
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: Predict what Lebron and these boys on this team, like
• 50:57
  Speaker 3: these teams are going to see each other in the final.
• 50:58
  Speaker 4: There's also just inherently because of the way your cap works,
• 51:03
  Speaker 4: there's there's like more parody in the NFL and because
• 51:08
  Speaker 4: it's a two way sport like.
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: In the NBA.
• 51:14
  Speaker 4: It's like if you're one of the five best players
• 51:16
  Speaker 4: or ten best players, like.
• 51:17
  Speaker 2: You fucking run it. You run it.
• 51:20
  Speaker 4: Some guys don't take advantage of that. Some guys do,
• 51:22
  Speaker 4: But there's just more. I just believe inherently there's more power.
• 51:27
  Speaker 4: If you are Lebron James, or you're a Kawhi Leonard
• 51:30
  Speaker 4: or Kevin Durant, there's you just carry more than even
• 51:34
  Speaker 4: a great All Pro NFL player does. It's just the
• 51:37
  Speaker 4: way the sport works.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: Plus, guys probably when you say run it, you mean
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: like they run practice and meetings and they say, we're
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: fucking this is what we're doing.
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: There's input on everything. You have input on everything. I
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: don't know if you guys like Aaron.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: Rodgers are like Peyton Manning. There's very few guys kind.
• 51:52
  Speaker 4: Of but I think every team in the all thirty
• 51:54
  Speaker 4: teams probably you could probably name five guys in the NFL.
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: Ten guys.
• 51:57
  Speaker 4: Maybe you'd name the best wide receiver the NFL, and yeah,
• 52:01
  Speaker 4: but that he's not he's not having input on like
• 52:05
  Speaker 4: who they should draft, right, they should trade? Yes, where
• 52:07
  Speaker 4: in the in the NBA, the top two guys on
• 52:10
  Speaker 4: pretty much every team. I mean I had that with
• 52:12
  Speaker 4: the Clippers, and I was like the fourth or fifth guy,
• 52:16
  Speaker 4: you know, I had. I would talk to Doc, I
• 52:18
  Speaker 4: would talk to L Frank, I would talk to Steve
• 52:19
  Speaker 4: Balmer like I had that, you know, I had that
• 52:21
  Speaker 4: with Philly when I went there, Like I wasn't even
• 52:24
  Speaker 4: one of the best players, And I just I just
• 52:27
  Speaker 4: think that because of I don't know if it's less
• 52:30
  Speaker 4: guys or just like you know, we're on the court
• 52:34
  Speaker 4: the whole time. You know, in the NFL you're playing
• 52:38
  Speaker 4: offense or you're playing defense. And to a degree too,
• 52:40
  Speaker 4: it's like the NBA, a great player can impact the
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: game more than a great NFL player because I don't
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: want to no IgE make broad gener rallies, but in general,
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: like in the NFL, like on a play, you have
• 52:52
  Speaker 4: a specific task.
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: In the NBA, it's it's.
• 52:55
  Speaker 4: A little more organic where a player's talent can sort
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: of shine in a bunch of different Right, does.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: That make that that you guys?
• 53:03
  Speaker 3: The mannings thereon Rodgers, the Tom Brady's like, if you play,
• 53:07
  Speaker 3: if you play good offense, like running the ball, and
• 53:09
  Speaker 3: you can keep them off the field, like you can
• 53:11
  Speaker 3: keep those guys off the field, like those quarterbacks need
• 53:13
  Speaker 3: the defense, and the special teams in literally everybody just
• 53:17
  Speaker 3: as much as they feel.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Like they can affect basketball.
• 53:19
  Speaker 1: It seems like, well it seems like not knowing basketball,
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: but like it seems like you have two or three
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: dudes you can take over and do whatever the fuck
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: you want.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: Almost yeah, you know what I'm saying. Pretty much like
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: when Lebron.
• 53:28
  Speaker 4: As long as those dudes were like good in twenty
• 53:32
  Speaker 4: twenty two and not the last time they were good
• 53:34
  Speaker 4: was like twenty sixteen, Like the Lakers this year, right,
• 53:36
  Speaker 4: they built a team around guys that were good six
• 53:38
  Speaker 4: years as?
• 53:40
  Speaker 3: Uh?
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: Is that? Why?
• 53:41
  Speaker 5: Then?
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: Is that why Lebron? That man? Though? Yeah, yeah he
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: still is.
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: I mean where would you rank him in the top
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: ten today?
• 53:48
  Speaker 2: I mean he's in the top ten.
• 53:50
  Speaker 4: I don't know the top five though, it's hard to
• 53:52
  Speaker 4: judge based on this year, just because of how bad
• 53:55
  Speaker 4: that team was and how bad badly that roster was constructed.
• 54:00
  Speaker 4: You know, I probably to a degree the Brooklyn that's
• 54:04
  Speaker 4: not as bad of a roster but also equally bad
• 54:07
  Speaker 4: because it's the NBA has changed, and it's very recent,
• 54:11
  Speaker 4: but the NBA has changed, Like I really believe you
• 54:14
  Speaker 4: need homegrown talent.
• 54:15
  Speaker 2: Like you have the draft.
• 54:16
  Speaker 4: Well, that's that's the inefficiency in the marketplace. You have
• 54:19
  Speaker 4: to draft well, you have to have homegrown talent. You
• 54:22
  Speaker 4: can't buy championships anymore because you need all the ancillary pieces.
• 54:27
  Speaker 4: You can go get two or three great players that
• 54:29
  Speaker 4: are super max or max players. You need really good
• 54:32
  Speaker 4: players three through seven, three through eight. And if you're
• 54:35
  Speaker 4: going to have two or three Max guys, those guys
• 54:37
  Speaker 4: have to be on rookie contracts or you have to
• 54:39
  Speaker 4: be really good with finding bargain players in free agency.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: But if you okay, so if you're the La Rams.
• 54:46
  Speaker 1: They went and they didn't do anything in the draft,
• 54:48
  Speaker 1: and there's fifty three guys on a roster in the NFL,
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: how come you can't do that in the NBA anymore?
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: Like it seems like it'd be way easier to go
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: pay seven or eight guys and then and then have
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: them be a super team.
• 55:00
  Speaker 2: Are you saying, do you see? You see that can't
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: happen anymore?
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: Once when the Rams just did that with way more guys,
• 55:05
  Speaker 1: You know what I'm trying to say?
• 55:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't see what I'm saying.
• 55:07
  Speaker 4: I'm not again, I haven't put my GM hat on
• 55:10
  Speaker 4: to be an NFL GM. Yeah, I have put it
• 55:12
  Speaker 4: on to be an NBA GM, right, And it's just
• 55:15
  Speaker 4: the general way our our cap works. So there's a
• 55:17
  Speaker 4: there's a cap, and then there's a luxury tax, and
• 55:20
  Speaker 4: there's a there's a hard cap, an apron, there's a
• 55:24
  Speaker 4: you know, the difference between the luxury tax and the
• 55:26
  Speaker 4: hard cap is like an apron. So once you get
• 55:29
  Speaker 4: into like two max players, then it's like, all right,
• 55:31
  Speaker 4: we have thirteen roster spots we need to fill out with. Essentially,
• 55:36
  Speaker 4: the supermaxes are so high now, essentially like forty million dollars,
• 55:39
  Speaker 4: so on average, you're going to pay guys three million
• 55:41
  Speaker 4: dollars a year, which is what the Lakers did this year.
• 55:45
  Speaker 4: They signed you know, Avery Bradley, Trevor Reza uh DeAndre Jordan,
• 55:50
  Speaker 4: like all these guys on minimum contracts. Well, if you're
• 55:55
  Speaker 4: a free agent and you're trying to get paid and
• 55:58
  Speaker 4: another team has let's say the mid level, which is
• 56:02
  Speaker 4: ten million dollars a year, you're probably gonna go take
• 56:04
  Speaker 4: that versus two point five, you know what I mean.
• 56:06
  Speaker 4: So it's just the nature of the salary cap. So
• 56:09
  Speaker 4: unless you have those guys that you drafted and they're
• 56:12
  Speaker 4: still on their rookie contract, and you're able to pay
• 56:14
  Speaker 4: those players once they become free agents because you have
• 56:16
  Speaker 4: their bird rights.
• 56:17
  Speaker 2: But that's the challenge, the bird rights, bird rights? What's
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: the bird rights? Bird rights?
• 56:22
  Speaker 4: Basically, if you're drafted by a team and then you're
• 56:25
  Speaker 4: you're a free agent, and that team is over the the.
• 56:30
  Speaker 2: What the salary the what's the star cap? Yeah, salar cap.
• 56:34
  Speaker 4: If you're over the Sellard cap, you can resign them.
• 56:36
  Speaker 4: Came in with Larry Bird. So like if when I
• 56:38
  Speaker 4: signed with Philly on the one year deal, they didn't
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: have my bird rights the following summer, so when Lebron
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: didn't sign there, they signed me on another one year deal.
• 56:46
  Speaker 4: Had I re signed there, they could have gone over
• 56:48
  Speaker 4: the luxury tax because after two years you have early
• 56:50
  Speaker 4: bird rights, after three you have full bird rights.
• 56:53
  Speaker 1: And this is all because of Larry Bird. It's all
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: because of Larry Bird. Do you care to explain that
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: situation to me at all?
• 56:59
  Speaker 4: I again, I not a complete basketball historian, but my
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: general knowledge of the situation is that the salary cap
• 57:06
  Speaker 4: came into place sometime in the nineteen eighties and Larry
• 57:09
  Speaker 4: Bird's rookie contract was over and the Celtics wanted to
• 57:12
  Speaker 4: resign him, but they couldn't go over the salary cap
• 57:14
  Speaker 4: to resign him. So there was a rule put in
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: place in the collective Barging Agreement that you could resign
• 57:20
  Speaker 4: your own free agents to go over the salary cap
• 57:22
  Speaker 4: as long as you had bird rights.
• 57:24
  Speaker 2: All right, Yeah, that was a good explanation. That's a
• 57:26
  Speaker 2: great explanation.
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: The Well, not a historian, but here's exactly what you
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: need to know in for the for the Rams question,
• 57:31
  Speaker 3: I feel like they've been kind of cooking that team
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: up for a couple of years.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 57:34
  Speaker 3: I mean like each year they've kind of added a
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: different place. And mind you, they drafted Aaron Donald. They
• 57:39
  Speaker 3: drafted they've had it. They had Aaron Donald. He realized like, okay,
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: they missed, they're missing a qbpiece. They were able to
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: trade Mats Stafford, and they probably feel Stafford. They got
• 57:47
  Speaker 3: Obj and they were close enough if they just needed
• 57:50
  Speaker 3: if they got like the OBJ and the vond Mill
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: and they probably sat there they're like, hey, fuck these
• 57:54
  Speaker 3: draft picks, Like, let's try to win the Super Bowl
• 57:55
  Speaker 3: this year.
• 57:56
  Speaker 4: I was mund it fascinating with the NFL, Like how
• 57:58
  Speaker 4: you guys can sign a contract and like two years later,
• 58:01
  Speaker 4: like a new contract happens. We're like we, you know,
• 58:04
  Speaker 4: we sign a contract, like, we can't renegotiate our contract
• 58:08
  Speaker 4: if we're gonna make Let's say a guy's gonna make
• 58:11
  Speaker 4: twenty million dollars and a team wants to go sign
• 58:13
  Speaker 4: another player. They're not gonna go to that player and
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: be like, hey, will you take ten next year? You know,
• 58:16
  Speaker 4: it's like yeah, no, it's just like guaranteed, like that's
• 58:18
  Speaker 4: what you get.
• 58:19
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and then it's a real issue on Harry.
• 58:22
  Speaker 4: Beard is like it's like this guy's cat, he's gonna
• 58:24
  Speaker 4: make thirty seven million dollars, but his cap hits thirteen
• 58:27
  Speaker 4: and it all.
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: It really depends on that ship. To me, it depends
• 58:29
  Speaker 1: on teams and how much like money they have. Yeah,
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: Like if you're if your owner has lots of money,
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: really the cat doesn't really matter, right because we'll be
• 58:37
  Speaker 1: making ten million dollars and his cap it's going to
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: be seven. Yeah, and we're gonna say, all right, hey,
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: well we're gonna give you nine million dollars in a
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: signing bonus right now, So now your capit's one and
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: you're making minimum this year.
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: It's just a crazy concept. Yeah, it really doesn't matter,
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: and we have a lot of tenders.
• 58:51
  Speaker 2: We have a lot of Like the tenders are wild.
• 58:53
  Speaker 2: The fifth year.
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: There's a fifth year option where if you're a first
• 58:56
  Speaker 1: round you're a first round draft pick, it's a four
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: year contract with an option for the team to pick
• 59:01
  Speaker 1: up a fifth year option. Mind you, you can get franchise
• 59:03
  Speaker 1: tag twice too, because you can literally play seven years
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: on one deal.
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: Basically.
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and if you're out playing your contract, your rookie,
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: we're about to get paid, they can put a fifth.
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Year option on you.
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: And the fifth year option is like you make an
• 59:16
  Speaker 1: average of what the top ten guys are making or
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: something like that, which is usually top three or four
• 59:21
  Speaker 1: guys make a lot of money and there's a big
• 59:23
  Speaker 1: there's a big difference in the bottom, so you kind
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: of average out position at your position, and then you
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: can get actually get another I think you can put
• 59:31
  Speaker 1: another option on the guy.
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: Again. No, that's a fresh eye stack. That's fresh eye stack.
• 59:34
  Speaker 3: It's the average of the top three, right, Yeah, they
• 59:36
  Speaker 3: have the top three players. But yeah, you can just
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: crazy on these one year one year deals, and they
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: have your rights for like Taylor said, like up to
• 59:43
  Speaker 3: seven years if they actually wanted to. But rookies nowadays,
• 59:46
  Speaker 3: like if you start out performing your deal, like going
• 59:48
  Speaker 3: into that fifth year, if like they try a fifth
• 59:49
  Speaker 3: year option, you guys are getting a lot. You know,
• 59:52
  Speaker 3: guys are like holding out or saying that they won't
• 59:53
  Speaker 3: play something like that.
• 59:54
  Speaker 2: Guys will hold out.
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: And usually what teams do is they'll pick up your
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: fifth year option and then they'll negotiate as you're.
• 59:59
  Speaker 2: Going to your fourth year or your fifth year.
• 1:00:01
  Speaker 1: It doesn't really it doesn't really matter anymore, but it
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: just gives them more time. Just in case, I signed
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: my second contract going into my fourth year, but they
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: already picked up my fifth year option.
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 2: They have to pick it up by what your third year,
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: like by like mayor may or third year. It's a
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: it's a wild deal. It's a wild deal.
• 1:00:19
  Speaker 3: The it's it's crazy when you when you're an NFL
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 3: player and you guys are we're all sitting here talking
• 1:00:24
  Speaker 3: about money and stuff like that, and then we look
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 3: at the NBA.
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: I was like, Yo, it's fucking wild. How these guys
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: kind of just run the show.
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: It really is just like, we're like, mother fuck like
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 3: these you are just making Like I think Derek Carr
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 3: literally I didn't even play that much, right right right?
• 1:00:39
  Speaker 2: Ten million dollars dude.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 4: Derek Carr signed his contract, not this most recent one,
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 4: but the one before that, and somebody tweeted him it
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 4: was like one hundred and twenty million dollar country or
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: something like that, and he's like, hey, congratulations, you make
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: as much as a sixth man in the NBA.
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 2: Now that's not true.
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: Well that someone says like that, and I was like,
• 1:00:55
  Speaker 1: that's just fucking wild.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: That's but the money is like, have you been announce
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 2: starty and made a nice little.
• 1:01:02
  Speaker 4: My two year deal with the Pelicans was nice. Yeah,
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: I mean I made like thirteen and a half or
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 4: something a year and you were in the top five.
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: And I wasn't a sorry, yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:01:11
  Speaker 2: It's good for you.
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 3: I'm thinking that's crazy, Like I didn't play either, give
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 3: me that, that's crazy. If you're not a starter and
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 3: a half million dollars different, it's different.
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 2: I don't know how different. How is it?
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 4: What do you I play twenty eight minutes a game
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 4: and scored over fifteen points, was second the league in
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 4: three point percentage.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: Go off game.
• 1:01:30
  Speaker 4: All right, Okay, listen, a guy, a guy in the
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 4: NFL who's not a starter might play ten snaps a
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 4: game like there's a that's my point.
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: There's a difference. So you're still getting kick me. I'm
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 2: right here on the bust.
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 3: Look at me.
• 1:01:46
  Speaker 2: You might not play stuff in the NFL. He's just like,
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: just look at me, man. I didn't say it ten mil.
• 1:01:51
  Speaker 2: Know what I'm saying. You're you're paid.
• 1:01:53
  Speaker 4: You're paid in the NBA based on production, and so
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 4: you don't have to be a starter to produce.
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 7: That's where the difference is. You know, that's true. And
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 7: you guys have like way like less guys.
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 2: We have less guys. Yeah, and again it goes back.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: If you're generally speaking, you have like a max guy
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 4: or a couple of max guys. You have a couple
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 4: guys that get salary cap, which is what every time
• 1:02:13
  Speaker 4: I was a free agent, I signed with cap space.
• 1:02:15
  Speaker 4: I signed with to a team with cap space. Then
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: you have like the exceptions, the mid level exception, and
• 1:02:20
  Speaker 4: if you're over the tax you have the tax payer
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 4: mid level exception, which is about half of the mid
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 4: level exception. And then everything else is like minimum, So
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 4: it's it just depends on your service. So like if
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: you're a ten year guy, minimum is two point seven
• 1:02:34
  Speaker 4: something like that.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 3: A nice man, that's a nice little baggy. I was like,
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 3: as a tenure guy, I think it's one.
• 1:02:42
  Speaker 4: One front player is minimum. So now you're on our son.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: You see him change the tune a little bit.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's minimum after you've played like eight or nine, yeah,
• 1:02:52
  Speaker 1: ten years.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Mind, this pastor is based on like nine eighty maybe
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 2: I think that's what it is. How many guys?
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 4: How many guys minimum? Guys though that are like bawling
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 4: that are starting and producing, And I'm not saying they're
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: like necessarily all pro players, but they're they're good.
• 1:03:10
  Speaker 2: They're really good. Well I'm grade out well in analytics,
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: I see.
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: I think analytics is a it's not not the move
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 1: but this.
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I know you have a bad taste about like
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 3: analytics and the people.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 1: I don't think it makes a whole It doesn't make
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 1: a whole lot of sense. Stats like you can do
• 1:03:33
  Speaker 1: it for quarterbacks, maybe wide receivers.
• 1:03:36
  Speaker 2: You can do it to an extent, I feel like,
• 1:03:38
  Speaker 2: but it doesn't tart the.
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: Entire story when people say numbers agree with you, People
• 1:03:41
  Speaker 1: say numbers of the entire story.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: I disagree with that whole whole heart. And I love analytics.
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 4: There's the most beautiful uh synergy that I've you know,
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 4: can witness. And synergy, by the way, is a name
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 4: of advanced stats company. The most beautiful synergy that I
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 4: can see. Like, when I analyze this stuff is my
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 4: eye is telling me so. And I'll hit up a
• 1:04:01
  Speaker 4: couple people I use for advanced stats. It's some of
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 4: the stuff I check myself. But I'm not great on
• 1:04:05
  Speaker 4: second spectrum. I don't really know how to operate it.
• 1:04:07
  Speaker 4: So I'll be like, hey, it feels like this team
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 4: is running way more ISOs this series and they don't
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 4: run a lot of ISOs in the regular season.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 2: Can you look that up?
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 4: And then it'll be like, oh, yeah, they're running forty
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 4: percent more ISOs during this series than they do in
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 4: the regular season. I'm like, oh, it matches up. Sometimes
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 4: the eye test and the analytics they match up. Sometimes
• 1:04:25
  Speaker 4: the analytics tell us stuff we can't see with our eyes,
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 4: and sometimes the analytics lie to us with what we
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 4: see with our eyes. Yeah, Like Devin books are an
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 4: example of this. He is I think third on he
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 4: was like third on the Suns this year and win
• 1:04:41
  Speaker 4: shares right, he's going to be first team All NBA.
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 4: He was top five in MVP voting, like he was
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 4: their best player this year, but because of how analytics
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 4: grade players out, he didn't fare particularly well. Like you're
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 4: always going to in the NBA. You're always going to
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 4: need volume shot creators, and he's great at that and
• 1:04:59
  Speaker 4: he does it at a fair efficient level. And my
• 1:05:01
  Speaker 4: eye can tell me that, but the analytics they lied
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 4: to me. They lied to me.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 2: They don't tell me he's as great as he is.
• 1:05:08
  Speaker 2: Very well spoken man, he is. Jevin Booker, you are
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 2: sure for sure? No, Yeah, I don't know. Definit Bucker
• 1:05:14
  Speaker 2: answer your question about the minimum things.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 3: I feel like it probably happens more for like defensive
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 3: guys than offensive, yeah, because if you're if you're if
• 1:05:22
  Speaker 3: you're like on offense, I feel like when you're like
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 3: when you're having a year like it's it's it's easier
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 3: to see, Yeah, Like defense could be harder because there's
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 3: a lot of variables that you sometimes need to go
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 3: to your way, like as far as opportunity and everything else.
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 3: So if you might see a minimum guy bawling on
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 3: a minimum contract. I feel like it's probably like a
• 1:05:40
  Speaker 3: vet that's on like a one year deal, probably defensively.
• 1:05:43
  Speaker 2: So here's another question I asker you.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 4: I'm glad I have you guys on my podcast right now,
• 1:05:46
  Speaker 4: but I have another question for you.
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 2: I'm curious about this seriously.
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 4: I think about the NBA and like a guy who's
• 1:05:53
  Speaker 4: a free agent who needs to put up numbers, Like
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 4: in the NBA, it's a lot out of it is
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 4: like your points, your rebounds, your assists, field goal percent,
• 1:06:03
  Speaker 4: all of this stuff, Like you need to put up numbers.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 4: And so there's a way for a guy to basically
• 1:06:09
  Speaker 4: have goods counting stats, earn a nice contract, but have
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 4: literally no impact on winning, either because he's playing on
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 4: a bad team or because of his role. And he
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 4: just you know, he's able to just shoot the ball
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 4: whenever he wants. And I wonder if the NFL, if
• 1:06:24
  Speaker 4: you're able to do that, Like if a guy's a
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 4: free agent, like can you hide behind statistics or is
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 4: in the NFL are you just exposed at all time
• 1:06:32
  Speaker 4: if what you do doesn't impact winning.
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: I think to another one that goes for defense, because
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: you can hide behind statistics in a lot of way.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 2: Ways.
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 1: If because a guy, let's say a defensive end, he
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 1: can have a lot of sacks, you can look at
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: him and be like, oh that you have twelve sacks,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: your holy shit, And then you go watch his film
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: and he he might not be beating guys one on one.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 1: The quarterback might be holding the ball really long, or
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: he gets flushed out of the pocket the wrong way.
• 1:06:53
  Speaker 1: It's an efforts sack a lot of way, a lot
• 1:06:55
  Speaker 1: of ways, which is one of the arguments I would
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: have had with what's his name who loves digit t J.
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: Watt Jersey Jerry's t J. Wat's an unblievable defensive end.
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: He deserves everything he's getting, but a lot of his
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: sacks or effort sacks as well, Like he beats you,
• 1:07:10
  Speaker 1: don't get me wrong, He fucking murders cats out.
• 1:07:13
  Speaker 2: Are their statistics for that, like how many times you
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 2: beat you? Sure there are? Yeah?
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah, That's where PFF comes in to play Pro Football Focus.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 1: The thing Will was kind of alluding to with me
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 1: was with PFF, they gray everybody every single day, and
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 1: they they have like these numbers come out and it's
• 1:07:29
  Speaker 1: a very difficult thing to do for my position, because
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: you don't there's a thousand different ways to run one play,
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: and based on how we run ours, it's different than
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 1: Washington does, or San Francisco does, or you know, and
• 1:07:42
  Speaker 1: so when you go to grade it, you can't grade
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: us all the same, and so you need to have somebody,
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: let's literally in the building to know what to do.
• 1:07:47
  Speaker 1: And that's where I kind of get off like a
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: little upset with.
• 1:07:50
  Speaker 4: Numbers, right, because there's times there's one thing I won't
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 4: go back to this, the task part of it. You
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 4: could do your task, but someone through their bias of
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 4: how they think the task should be run right, grades
• 1:08:02
  Speaker 4: you a different way. Internally, the Titans could be like, oh,
• 1:08:05
  Speaker 4: you did that perfectly right.
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 1: And there there was a point in twenty sixteen where
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 1: I was the grade of the number one tackle for
• 1:08:11
  Speaker 1: the first nine weeks of the season, and I said
• 1:08:13
  Speaker 1: the same thing then too. It's just like they don't
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 1: really know what they're talking about when it comes to
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 1: the offense line. And now with quarterbacks, I think running
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: backs would be another difficult one to do.
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: I think defenses will be very pretty hard.
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 3: Depends like with a O lineman that you could see
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 3: it like if you're moving the guy out of the gap,
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 3: like you could be doing the task, but are you
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 3: are you moving him to the sideline Like for me
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 3: as a backer, like I could take a I could take.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 2: An offensive lineman on in the hole.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 3: But if we're stagnant or I'm barely getting moved even
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 3: though I'm doing the right thing, like I know, mom
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 3: leveraging the right side to all these guys, don't know
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 3: what the fuck the talker takes on more of a
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 3: more of a thudder dote hi tower takes on somebody
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 3: and puts the offensive lineman in the gap. You'd see
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 3: why he'd get like a better grade because he's he's
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 3: physically moving the guy more, which could play into it
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 3: and to do a spill.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Uh, it's so crazy because defense.
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 3: Doesn't feel the same way when you're talking about some
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 3: of the basketball Stuff'm like, I kind of don't know
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 3: what that means.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 2: But he makes that shit sound great.
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 3: It's crazy, right, and but yeah, that's what's a crazy world.
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 3: More so defense where you can hide behind stats like
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 3: dbs who get a lot of picks, you have like
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 3: you got a lot of picks you made a lot
• 1:09:16
  Speaker 3: of plays on the ball, you get a lot of sacks,
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 3: he could be a bad run defender, like maybe he's
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 3: rushing to get a sack every damn play.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 2: Right, that's a great point. Yeah, DB's too.
• 1:09:23
  Speaker 4: It's like if you get a lot of picks, that
• 1:09:24
  Speaker 4: means they're throwing the ball on your side right right.
• 1:09:27
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 4: Or if you're a safety too, safeties do like Kevin Byron.
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 4: He's on the Titans.
• 1:09:32
  Speaker 1: He had a lot of interceptions this past year, and
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 1: he's just in the right place at the right time.
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 3: Again, full quarterbacks that type of thing.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: But if you're a corner one on one like Drew
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: Revis at one point when he was on Revis Island
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 1: is like he it was like, you don't even throw
• 1:09:46
  Speaker 1: to that area, Like he just lost.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 3: Dudes down the great ones, like they probably won't have
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 3: a lot of stats because then the ball's not thrown
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 3: to him, right, you know how it is.
• 1:09:52
  Speaker 2: So it all comes down who's.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 1: The cornerback for the Dallas Cowboys. Keep going ahead and
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: we'll keep going Stefan Diggs. No, the corner is it's
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: the Trevon Digs. Trevon Diggs, He's a guy I saw
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 1: a stat I don't know if this is true or not.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 1: He had the most interceptions in the NFL last year.
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: But he also had the most yards given up by
• 1:10:09
  Speaker 1: any cornerback too. But he was all pro. He would
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 1: play aggressively. You could beat him on a double move
• 1:10:14
  Speaker 1: because he's like looking to.
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: Get a pick. He trying to get them. Pichy, he
• 1:10:17
  Speaker 2: is a stud. But yeah, like like the great ones.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 3: But you know how it is, like all those numbers,
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 3: all that stuff comes down to like trying to gain leverage,
• 1:10:23
  Speaker 3: like in a negotiation. So some guys it does work out,
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 3: you know, others you know it might not.
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: But it all comes down to probably the thing. Another
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: thing is too just like supplying demand. Like a lot
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 1: of guys would go in to free agency and you'll
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: be like, he's not that good, but he gets broke
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: off because this team needs there's let's say there's market day,
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 1: the market down, there's not.
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 4: Many tackles out on twenty sixteen free agency. By a year,
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 4: I was a free agent twenty seventeen. I tried to
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 4: get a player option for sixteen after the sixteen year.
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 4: I didn't get it with my Clippers contract, and I
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 4: missed out like that summer was Bombers.
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 2: That was the summer where you know.
• 1:10:57
  Speaker 4: Timothy Mosk, I've got sixty four million dollars from Lakers.
• 1:11:00
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• 1:11:02
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  Speaker 3: Dude, I want to talk about like I know you've
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 3: talked about it openly, but like your Duke days, like
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 3: you were one of the most hated players in college basketball,
• 1:12:19
  Speaker 3: like history, like obviously Duke as well, but like it
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 3: just in college basketball in general. And there were times
• 1:12:23
  Speaker 3: where you talked about quitting, and I've seen that you did.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 3: Is it true that you've changed your number at times?
• 1:12:29
  Speaker 3: Like your cell phone number?
• 1:12:30
  Speaker 2: Oh my god? So yeah.
• 1:12:32
  Speaker 4: I mean my sophomore year, I've probably changed it ten
• 1:12:36
  Speaker 4: or fifteen times. There were so many nights that year
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 4: where I don't know who was the culprit who from
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 4: it was somebody from Duke that had a friend at
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 4: another school that would pass along my number, and you know,
• 1:12:50
  Speaker 4: it was UNC fans mostly and Maryland fans mostly. And
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 4: back then I had the Nokia, you know, and so like,
• 1:12:57
  Speaker 4: I don't know if you could do this maybe in
• 1:12:59
  Speaker 4: like the Upper Model my junior and senior year, but
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 4: early on, like you couldn't like get an alarm and
• 1:13:04
  Speaker 4: simultaneously have it on silent. So I would just get
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 4: calls all night long, like thirty forty calls, you know,
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 4: as soon as like the number shows up at a
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 4: Maryland party or at a Maryland bar, like my shit's
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 4: blown up, over and over and over again. So I, yeah,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 4: I had to deal with that. There were you know,
• 1:13:23
  Speaker 4: there were times that Maryland fans would call me, they
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 4: would call me the Antichrist, which just like what again,
• 1:13:31
  Speaker 4: this is true? No, it's wonder but the watch it
• 1:13:37
  Speaker 4: goes back to why I sort I felt like, in
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 4: a way, we're all the main character in our own story, right,
• 1:13:42
  Speaker 4: We're all little bit narcissistic, I think inherently, Yeah, but
• 1:13:48
  Speaker 4: you know, Duke felt like this this this fish bowl,
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 4: and I was like the main character. Everybody. Everybody really
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 4: hated me, and it was it was tough to deal with.
• 1:13:58
  Speaker 4: So yeah, my sophomore year, and I may have told
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 4: this story with with Dan and Eric on their pod,
• 1:14:03
  Speaker 4: but my sophomore year, I called my sisters to campus.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 4: It was during the Christmas break. I told him to
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 4: come over from Raleigh and they came over. There was
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 4: this chicken place and we grabbed a chicken sandwich and
• 1:14:15
  Speaker 4: I was like, I'm done, like I want to quit,
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 4: and they're like, what do you mean? I was like,
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 4: I just I was like, I want to be a
• 1:14:21
  Speaker 4: normal student. I want to go to class. I want
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 4: to be a frat kid. I think I probably said
• 1:14:28
  Speaker 4: I wanted to write poetry. I think that probably came.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 2: Ran poetry when you're depressed, that it is the move,
• 1:14:32
  Speaker 2: it is the move, that is this move. Sure, And
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: and then I didn't quit.
• 1:14:37
  Speaker 4: Second semester, I went into what I would describe as
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 4: a spiral. I was out every night, nights before games.
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 4: I would drink twenty five thirty beers n show up
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 4: the next day. I counted really crossing, like the marker
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 4: on the wrist. I move after the season there. Do
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 4: you guys remember the OC please? Some of you watch
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 4: the OC.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I remember, but I did not watch it.
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 4: That was the show when I was in college. That
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 4: was like we would record it on VHS. We record
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 4: it and like watch it later. So it was a Thursday,
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 4: and I was like, OC's on tonight, and I was like,
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 4: I'm going to see how many beers I can drink tonight.
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 4: And I started at eight o'clock when the OC came on,
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 4: and I got to like thirty nine by the next morning,
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 4: and and it was just like that was my second
• 1:15:24
  Speaker 4: semester at Duke. I was just I was out of control,
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 4: and a little bit of it was immaturity and selfishness.
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 4: A little bit of it was rebellion because I had
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 4: my whole sporting life since I was seven years old.
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 4: And watch Christian Latner hit the shot to be Kentucky,
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 4: I was like, I want to go to Duke.
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 2: I want to go to Duke. And it was like
• 1:15:45
  Speaker 2: a dream come true.
• 1:15:47
  Speaker 4: And then I get to Duke and I'm like, oh,
• 1:15:50
  Speaker 4: everyone fucking hates my guts, Like this is not what
• 1:15:53
  Speaker 4: I signed up.
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 2: Why did everyone? Why did anyone hate you so much
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 2: because I was a Duke. I mean if I had
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 2: gone to Florida or Uva, like it would have been funne.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 2: I would just would have been a normal kid. I
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 2: would have had that hate vibe home.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 4: They do they do and it's like the white villain
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 4: at Duke like that was.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 2: That was definitely part of it. I was next in
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 2: line for that because.
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 4: We I mean we had we had like eleven or
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 4: twelve games my freshman year that we played at the
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 4: beginning of the season. It was like home games, and
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 4: then we played like UCLA in Indianapolis. We played Ohio
• 1:16:23
  Speaker 4: State in Greensboro for the Big tenn ACC Challenge. We'd
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 4: have a road game till after the new year, and
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 4: we go to Clemson. We come out for warm ups
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 4: in the entire student sections chanting ship. Two weeks later,
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 4: we go to Uva, my home state. There's all these students.
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 4: I had really bad bacne in college and I had
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 4: there's all these kids wearing like makeshift white Duke for
• 1:16:44
  Speaker 4: Duke number four jerseys and they had painted like red dots.
• 1:16:46
  Speaker 2: On their shoulders. Hilarious. By the way, I thought it
• 1:16:49
  Speaker 2: was hilarious. I was, you know, I was very sensitive.
• 1:16:52
  Speaker 2: You think it was funny.
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 4: I did, even though it was really sensitive about you know,
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 4: my my shoulder acting. I was like, man, that's that's
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 4: fucking creative. Why didn't you go T shirt unto the jersey?
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 4: Then if you're so if you're insecure, about it.
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: It was a rule.
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 4: We couldn't do it. I convinced him thephomore year, I
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 4: went into his office. I may have cried and I
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 4: was just like, you gotta let me know. Shit shirt
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 4: under my jersey.
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: Damn you you say may have I cried? Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 2: Well that's that's a real deal.
• 1:17:18
  Speaker 4: So the end of my sophomore year, we lost in
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 4: the final four. It was a it was a low
• 1:17:23
  Speaker 4: point for me. We we lost to Yukon. We were
• 1:17:27
  Speaker 4: up eight with like three and a half minutes to go,
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 4: and they came back and I had a chance twice,
• 1:17:32
  Speaker 4: actually once to take the lead with like ten seconds left.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 4: I got stripped and then I had a chance with
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 4: like five seconds left to hit a three to Taius
• 1:17:41
  Speaker 4: and I missed him both and I just like that
• 1:17:44
  Speaker 4: spiral that I was on went even deeper, and Coach
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 4: would like make me come in on Saturday mornings to
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 4: his office and he would meet with me, and he
• 1:17:52
  Speaker 4: told me during one of those meetings, he said, uh,
• 1:17:55
  Speaker 4: we didn't win a national championship because you weren't worthy
• 1:17:58
  Speaker 4: to be a champion. It's like the met thing everyone's
• 1:18:00
  Speaker 4: ever said to me. And it was true. It was true,
• 1:18:02
  Speaker 4: but it was like so soul cutting right. That sent
• 1:18:06
  Speaker 4: me further down. So I then my parents, because they
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 4: knew I was having a tough time for Christmas, had
• 1:18:11
  Speaker 4: given me a toy airplane.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: I'm like, what the it was a ticket.
• 1:18:15
  Speaker 4: Basically, They're like, wherever you want to go after the
• 1:18:18
  Speaker 4: school year's out, you can go.
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 2: So I'm like all right.
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 4: I was like, oh, I want to go see my buddy,
• 1:18:24
  Speaker 4: duke soccer player. I want to go see my buddy
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 4: in California. So I planned this trip. We went to Davis, California.
• 1:18:30
  Speaker 4: We went to the Bay, we went to Santa Barbara,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 4: we went to La drove back up.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:18:35
  Speaker 4: By the time I got to the trip, my parents
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 4: knew that I was in a really bad place. I
• 1:18:39
  Speaker 4: had seven dollars in my checking account. They're like, we're
• 1:18:41
  Speaker 4: not going to give you any money for this trip.
• 1:18:42
  Speaker 4: We'll let you still go on the trip, We're not
• 1:18:44
  Speaker 4: going to give any money. I basically like bummed off
• 1:18:46
  Speaker 4: people for those like ten days I was out there.
• 1:18:49
  Speaker 4: And I got back from the trip, and I was
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 4: supposed to finish an incomplete because I had knock gone
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 4: a class all semester either so I was supposed to
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 4: finish it in complete. So I'm hanging out my buddy's
• 1:19:01
  Speaker 4: apartment for like two weeks, and I would wake up
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 4: at like two pm in the afternoon, I'd start chugging beers.
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 4: I'd have a burrito party through the night, wake up
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 4: at two pm. I did that for two straight weeks.
• 1:19:15
  Speaker 4: No one knew where I was. I told my parents
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 4: I was in summer school. I told Duke I was
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 4: back home finishing my complete One day, I get a
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 4: fucking wrap rap rap at noon on the door of
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 4: the apartment and it's Coach Collins and Coach Wojo. So
• 1:19:26
  Speaker 4: I walked downstairs. I've literally got by the way. I
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 4: have one outfit I've got. It's an aberc It's a
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 4: blue Abercrombie shirt and Abercrombie cargo show.
• 1:19:36
  Speaker 2: It was the time.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 4: It was the time, and I've and I've got these
• 1:19:41
  Speaker 4: these flip flops that I had bought at the Gap
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 4: in San Francisco with my last five dollars. They were
• 1:19:45
  Speaker 4: on sale, and they're like, they're like, come outside. So
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 4: I'm like, all right, So I'm two, I'm probably one
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 4: ninety five. I'm two twenty five. Bro, I'm fucking fatty.
• 1:19:56
  Speaker 4: I'm fat as fuck. I hadn't shaved in like three weeks.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 4: My hair is like Sae frat boy hair, you know
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 4: what I mean.
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 2: A little wavy, little curly right over the years.
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 4: They're like, you know, come outside. We get in the car,
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 4: we drive all the way back to camp.
• 1:20:10
  Speaker 2: Possible for where's your anxiety? And when these dudes knock.
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 3: On the door, ten out of ten, ten out of ten,
• 1:20:16
  Speaker 3: which is debilitating.
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 2: Debilitating. There was bongs everywhere as well, like it was bad.
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 2: It was a bad scene. Beer beer cans everywhere.
• 1:20:23
  Speaker 4: In a way though, and I'll in a way, I
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 4: was like, finally, really, yeah, someone came to get me.
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 4: I was like finally. And so they we go to campus.
• 1:20:34
  Speaker 4: We're getting ready to cock. This is a random part
• 1:20:36
  Speaker 4: of the story. But we get we get ready to
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 4: turn on campus and Wojo looks in the rear for
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 4: yoummu and he's like, nobody said a word, by the way,
• 1:20:44
  Speaker 4: since come outside, Like I just followed them into the car.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 4: We get to campus and he's like, so what have
• 1:20:51
  Speaker 4: you been doing? And I was like I don't know
• 1:20:53
  Speaker 4: why I said this, but I was like watching movies.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 2: I was like all right.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 4: So they took me up to Coach K's office. They
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 4: dragged me through the through the fifth floor. He's on
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 4: the sixth floor. They dragged me through the fifth floor
• 1:21:07
  Speaker 4: to embarrass me and shame me, which I love that
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 4: they did that because Bojo and College are complete assholes
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 4: and I love them to death. So they dragged me through,
• 1:21:14
  Speaker 4: I'm like looking like shit, and then we go up
• 1:21:16
  Speaker 4: to Coach's office. We had a lot, like a long
• 1:21:18
  Speaker 4: hour and a half meeting, and you know, they they
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 4: basically it was basically an ultimatum. It was like, dude,
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 4: we're not going to kick you off the team. We're
• 1:21:26
  Speaker 4: not going to kick you off camp, you know, at
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 4: of school, but you need to get your shit together,
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 4: and like we're gonna get you, you know, the help
• 1:21:32
  Speaker 4: you need. So like I started seeing a therapist, saw
• 1:21:35
  Speaker 4: a therapist the rest of my time at Duke that summer.
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: I saw a psychiatrist as well.
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 4: They put me on a fucking hourly schedule that summer
• 1:21:44
  Speaker 4: and it was dude, I swear to god, I still
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 4: have the sheet. Is eight am, wake up, nine am,
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 4: check in, ten am class, you know, one pm, study hall,
• 1:21:54
  Speaker 4: two pm court, three pm, weights, four PM run, five pm,
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 4: pick up, six pm, dinner, eight pm. You know, you're
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 4: in your apartment ten pm, lights out. And I did
• 1:22:05
  Speaker 4: that all summer.
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: They check in your apartment to make sure it was.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 4: Funny because it was two weeks into summer school, so
• 1:22:11
  Speaker 4: I didn't have I had have petitioned the dean to
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 4: get back into summer school.
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: They let me back in.
• 1:22:16
  Speaker 4: I took a class on the Civil War and there's
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 4: the start of my transformation as a student as well
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 4: that summer. I got basically straight a's after that. But
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 4: because it was so late in the summer, they were like,
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 4: we don't like all the all your teammates, all the managers, everybody,
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 4: you know that they already have roommates. So there was
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 4: this random dude, I don't know his name. There's this
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 4: random dude on Central campus. They were like, there's a
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 4: person that has an extra bedroom in the two bedroom
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 4: apartment on Central Campus.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 2: You're gonna live with this person.
• 1:22:50
  Speaker 4: And he had no affiliation to anyone I knew any
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 4: affiliation of the team. And I walked into the apartment.
• 1:22:55
  Speaker 4: I was like, hey, man, I'm going through some shit.
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 4: I would appreciate it. I'm going to be friendly to you,
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 4: but I appreciate it if you just like let me,
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 4: let me be for the next like six weeks.
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: And he's like, what a first impression? Yeah? Yeah, so
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: what did he say to you? He's like, okay, O, good,
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 2: no worries.
• 1:23:07
  Speaker 4: And I would like see him like later on like
• 1:23:09
  Speaker 4: my junior and senior year, and it was like it
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 4: was like a passing, you know, sort of like I
• 1:23:13
  Speaker 4: didn't know his name.
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: No, he probably talks about you all the time. He
• 1:23:16
  Speaker 2: probably talk about you all the time.
• 1:23:18
  Speaker 3: Dude, you're probably talking about he was instrumental and JJ reddick.
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 2: A yeah, jj reddick h. Yeah. When I met him,
• 1:23:24
  Speaker 2: he was going through it is done. Yeah, see what
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 2: he's done that schedule.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 4: That was life changing. Yeah, because that became the rest
• 1:23:30
  Speaker 4: of my life. And I wouldn't have done what I
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 4: did in the NBA, or don't even done what I
• 1:23:34
  Speaker 4: did a duke had the length of career I had.
• 1:23:37
  Speaker 4: I was, I mean, from that point I was a psycho.
• 1:23:39
  Speaker 4: I was an absolute psycho. It was like diligent routine,
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 4: my schedule that takes precedence over everything. I need to
• 1:23:45
  Speaker 4: get my work done, I need to get my sleep,
• 1:23:47
  Speaker 4: I need to eat right, I'm going to go after
• 1:23:49
  Speaker 4: it like that over and over and over again. And
• 1:23:51
  Speaker 4: I did that for the rest of my career.
• 1:23:53
  Speaker 2: Oh shit, dude, that's a that's an incredible deal.
• 1:23:56
  Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you think I discipline, disciplines the number
• 1:23:59
  Speaker 1: one you need for success is what you're saying.
• 1:24:01
  Speaker 2: Well, I think obsession is I agree with that.
• 1:24:05
  Speaker 4: I think because even with like a creative you don't
• 1:24:09
  Speaker 4: necessarily need discipline if you're super talented. I know guys
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 4: in the NBA that aren't as disciplined as I was.
• 1:24:17
  Speaker 4: I know guys that probably are more disciplined than I was.
• 1:24:19
  Speaker 4: Like I, it's obsession. It's like the true love the
• 1:24:24
  Speaker 4: stuff we were talking about earlier about like fuck, man,
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 4: I want to go have a beer on Broadway, or
• 1:24:28
  Speaker 4: fuck I want to go, you know, have Thanksgiving dinner
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 4: with my family, all those things, like we have to
• 1:24:34
  Speaker 4: be more obsessed with the other thing. We have to
• 1:24:37
  Speaker 4: be more obsessed with what we're doing. And I always was.
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 4: I was always more obsessed with it, and it's you know,
• 1:24:44
  Speaker 4: so it was like the obsession on one hand, but
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 4: then it was like learning how to be diligent, learning
• 1:24:50
  Speaker 4: how to have a routine, you know, I I developed
• 1:24:54
  Speaker 4: this routine as a pro player. It was like it
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 4: was sick because my routines had routines, and it was
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 4: like to the minute on a game day, to the minute,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 4: starting at eight am. Whenever I woke up, it was like,
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 4: to the minute. All right, it's twelve thirteen, I've got
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 4: seventeen minutes till i need to lunch. It's one to fifteen.
• 1:25:10
  Speaker 4: I've got fifteen minutes till I need to take my nap.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 4: I'm waking up at four pm. I'm calling the room
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 4: service at four thirt Like it was just everything was
• 1:25:17
  Speaker 4: to the minute.
• 1:25:18
  Speaker 1: When you do stuff like that, though, does it ever
• 1:25:19
  Speaker 1: feel like if something messes with that schedule, like your
• 1:25:23
  Speaker 1: kids are doing something, your wife does something, you can
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 1: argue with somebody and at fucksuper situal where you're nothing,
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 1: you're now off the minute? Yeah, it does it fuck
• 1:25:31
  Speaker 1: up your game? Did it fuck up your situation? Because
• 1:25:33
  Speaker 1: being that obsessive.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 2: It would fuck me up in the moment.
• 1:25:36
  Speaker 4: I don't know there was one example I can think
• 1:25:38
  Speaker 4: of where it really fucked me up in the game,
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 4: but it would fuck me at the moment.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 2: I'll give you an example of that.
• 1:25:42
  Speaker 4: My first game with the Pelicans were in Toronto, and
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 4: again they don't know that I'm like this, And so
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 4: Jamel McMillan, Nate McMillan's son, comes in the training room
• 1:25:52
  Speaker 4: and I've started my routine ninety minutes on the clock.
• 1:25:54
  Speaker 4: I'm in the training room, sixty five minutes on the clock.
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: I'm in the weight room, fifty two minutes on the clock.
• 1:25:58
  Speaker 4: I'm on the court eight minutes. I'm finishing up my workout.
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 4: I'm back in the locker room at thirty six minutes,
• 1:26:04
  Speaker 4: like I'm starting that first game. And he comes to
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 4: the locker room and he's like, hey, man, you're shooting it.
• 1:26:09
  Speaker 4: He made he said some time that was not my
• 1:26:11
  Speaker 4: shooting time, and I fucking lost.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 2: It on him.
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 4: And I really Jamel and I are cool, like, but
• 1:26:16
  Speaker 4: it was our first interaction that we had had, and.
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 2: I was like, what the fuck? What what kind of
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 2: operation is this? That's not my shooting top. I agree
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 2: to this shooting time this morning. I told you, motherfuckers.
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 4: Like then, I'm like, okay, I gotta go apologize like
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 4: seven people right now.
• 1:26:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But that was the game. That's the game, like
• 1:26:32
  Speaker 2: all that stuff.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 4: The one time was I was in Indianapolis when I
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 4: was with the Bucks and were it was a different
• 1:26:38
  Speaker 4: hotel than we normally stayed at. And I ordered my
• 1:26:41
  Speaker 4: room service and it never came, and I went, you know,
• 1:26:45
  Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm running out of time. Now I've got
• 1:26:46
  Speaker 4: to go down. I canna take my bags under the bus.
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 4: So I went down. I go to the restaurant like, hey,
• 1:26:51
  Speaker 4: room service never came, Like whatever, they go get it.
• 1:26:55
  Speaker 4: They gave it to me a minute before my bus time.
• 1:26:57
  Speaker 4: So I'm eating like on the bus as I'm walking
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 4: in the arena, and I was like two for thirteen
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 4: that night and just couldn't I couldn't focus on the game.
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: Was it because of the because of the food, because
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: the food is bad? Like you're, yeah, what do you
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: think about the routine?
• 1:27:12
  Speaker 3: There?
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 2: Me up?
• 1:27:14
  Speaker 3: Messed up your dad?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 2: Here's it?
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 4: So it was all about control for me. You know,
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 4: I get here, that's what I can control. I'm going
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 4: to control this and like you're now you're now fucking
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 4: with my control. The one thing I can control is
• 1:27:25
  Speaker 4: my routine, and now you're fucking with it.
• 1:27:28
  Speaker 2: And I'm pissed.
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sucked up? Looked Yeah, two for thirteen? Yeah, see.
• 1:27:32
  Speaker 1: I've tried to be like that before during game, especially
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 1: in game day. But one thing I've realized for myself,
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 1: when I do best when I had like I don't
• 1:27:40
  Speaker 1: try to have control over anything as long as like
• 1:27:42
  Speaker 1: in my head, I'm like, oh, I just need to
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: feel good before this game starts. I can show up
• 1:27:46
  Speaker 1: four hours before the game starts. I showed up two
• 1:27:48
  Speaker 1: hours before the game starts. It does not matter to
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 1: me anymore. But at one point I was like that,
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: right if for like, wake up at this specific time,
• 1:27:53
  Speaker 1: go get in the cold tubs, go from there, go
• 1:27:55
  Speaker 1: get a coffee at that Starbucks. Then you know that,
• 1:27:57
  Speaker 1: get to the coffee, you go right to the stadium
• 1:27:59
  Speaker 1: that I used to you like that.
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 2: But then one thing would happen.
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 1: It would fuck me up, and then I would tell
• 1:28:03
  Speaker 1: myself after the game, I like, oh, that's it's because
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 1: you messed up your deal.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I got over that at Duke.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 4: Like by the end of my Duke time, I was like,
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 4: I'm my performance on the court is not because I
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 4: made three out of four on the last spot of
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 4: my routine and didn't make four out of four. Like,
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 4: I just got over that part of it. I think
• 1:28:22
  Speaker 4: it was more about just like it was like, here's
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 4: what I need to do to peak at seven oh
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 4: seven or seven thirty seven when that all goes up
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 4: and it's tipped, like, here's what I need to do
• 1:28:34
  Speaker 4: to peak at that time. So it was that was
• 1:28:37
  Speaker 4: what was what it was about. To besides the control
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 4: was like there was a reason that I did everything.
• 1:28:42
  Speaker 4: It wasn't like, well I did tie my shoes a
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 4: certain way and put on my clothes my jersey in
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 4: a certain order.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: But it wasn't about superstitious.
• 1:28:49
  Speaker 8: It was whatever. But it was like a few got
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 8: a feel you have a thing? Do you have a precision? Yeah,
• 1:28:56
  Speaker 8: not that I'm like thinking of, Like you know, I
• 1:29:00
  Speaker 8: love a pregame latte.
• 1:29:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But I wouldn't say it's like a superstition like
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 3: if I missed it, I would like think a certain way.
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 4: I mean, what if somebody said that we don't have lattes,
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 4: We're just going to give you an espresso shot, Like.
• 1:29:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, I'm good, you're not gonna sn't take it. So
• 1:29:16
  Speaker 2: it's not about the caffeine.
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, it's not about the caffeine. It's just
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 3: like the vibes going into the stadium. It's like about
• 1:29:22
  Speaker 3: getting a latte's putting into the cup holder, it's turning
• 1:29:24
  Speaker 3: up zz top, Sharp Dressed Man, Lagrange all this easy
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 3: Top Cinderella Man by eminem a lot of like old
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 3: school bangers and like feeling good walking outware latte.
• 1:29:33
  Speaker 2: What No, Cinderella Man. That's a banger.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 1: You said its easy Top three times and all of
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 1: a sudden it Cinderella Man eminem.
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 2: Ez time. Yeah, Sharp Dressed Man Lagrange. Yet. Yeah, Like
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 2: Cinderella Man is another one.
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 3: Like if if I'm feeling like I got to have
• 1:29:46
  Speaker 3: like a comeback game or a get back on track
• 1:29:49
  Speaker 3: game in my head, I'm going to Cinderella Man when
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 3: I'm walking inside, because to me, it's like I'm Cinderella Man.
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 2: I'm the fucking underdog. All that kind of So, you.
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 4: Know what, we're all telling ourselves our story.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 2: You're always telling yourself what you need to do.
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's kind of like I guess I think there's
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 4: not is that because you listen to it one time
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 4: before a game and you played well and then you're like, okay,
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 4: that's my Yeah.
• 1:30:09
  Speaker 3: Some of that yeah, yeah, like visualization, like running through
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 3: the same reel in your head about like old plays
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 3: that you've made, just to like see yourself do it
• 1:30:17
  Speaker 3: and feel this and feel that. Yeah, it's like a
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 3: kind of like a routine like that, and then if
• 1:30:22
  Speaker 3: you have a baller game, you're like, yeah, I gotta
• 1:30:23
  Speaker 3: go back to that kind of routine.
• 1:30:25
  Speaker 2: But if it throws off, I'm not Like flow states,
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 2: it's like that's the wat.
• 1:30:29
  Speaker 4: Talk about peak, getting to the peak, like hitting the
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 4: peak at seven thirty seven? Yeah, what are the things
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 4: I need to do to get into a flow state?
• 1:30:36
  Speaker 4: Because as an athlete, like if you're not in the
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 4: flow state, you're okay, maybe you're shitty, but you're not
• 1:30:42
  Speaker 4: like the best version of.
• 1:30:43
  Speaker 3: Yourself, right, You're in your own head a lot.
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also one of the most difficult things to
• 1:30:46
  Speaker 1: achieve is the flow state. Just be like nothing else
• 1:30:49
  Speaker 1: mana as you're so present right now, you're thinking about
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: anything else.
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, for sure.
• 1:30:53
  Speaker 3: One time in Tampa is like before the fourth preseason games,
• 1:30:55
  Speaker 3: the first time I made the team out right, So
• 1:30:57
  Speaker 3: I was in my second year, went through preseason anxieties
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 3: at a ten because I'm like, this is it, Like
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 3: I gotta make the fucking team? Yeah, And uh, I
• 1:31:06
  Speaker 3: had I had, I had ice cream before the game.
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 3: The night before the game, I made myself up with
• 1:31:11
  Speaker 3: ice cream M and MS had some caramels and fudge
• 1:31:14
  Speaker 3: on that thing. And the boy ball like the boy
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 3: played well, you gotta let the team and tackles that game.
• 1:31:20
  Speaker 2: The boy the boy Yeah, And so sometimes.
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 3: Like that would be my reason for having like I
• 1:31:27
  Speaker 3: I literally think back to myself, I'm like, it puts
• 1:31:29
  Speaker 3: me in like, uh, puts me in a good mood.
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 2: Obviously, some ice cream puts anybody in.
• 1:31:33
  Speaker 3: A good but like if everybody's like, why you eat
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 3: that the night before a game, you just worry about yourself.
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 2: You just yourself. There are dudes there everyone.
• 1:31:42
  Speaker 4: I don't know every team you've been on, but Tians
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 4: have a Sunday station every night before a game.
• 1:31:46
  Speaker 2: You're like, why the fuck is that out there? That
• 1:31:49
  Speaker 2: makes sense to me. It's like, what are we doing
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 2: here with this this thing? I feel you guys can agree.
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: But when we go back to the flow state thing,
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: when you're in a flos, it's like the game goes
• 1:31:59
  Speaker 1: by so fast and it's over. But there's other games
• 1:32:02
  Speaker 1: where you're not like you're the opposite of flow state.
• 1:32:04
  Speaker 1: Don't know what that is on flow state and you
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: remember everything. Like we played Michigan, was playing Notre Dame.
• 1:32:10
  Speaker 1: It was a night game. When we came back, it
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 1: was like hundred a minute forty two left in the game.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: There's like five scores or whatever. That's when Denard threw
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: it in the back of the end zone. Yeah, and
• 1:32:19
  Speaker 1: we won it Anti Flow Thank you. And me and
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: my girlfriend who I was dating at the time, Me
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: and the girls the at the time, like I cheated
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: on her or she cheated.
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 2: On something happened like two days before it happened. I
• 1:32:31
  Speaker 2: cheated on her. There was there was like a discover
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 2: there's something was going on. But it was like it
• 1:32:38
  Speaker 2: was during that game, and all I could think about
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 2: was trying to get her back.
• 1:32:42
  Speaker 1: And I played the entire game, and I played all right,
• 1:32:44
  Speaker 1: played pretty good, decent, but like the whole game, I
• 1:32:48
  Speaker 1: was not ever invested in that game.
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 2: I was just thinking, like, how do I make it
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 2: up to this girl? Was she at the game? Probably
• 1:32:55
  Speaker 2: it's one hundred and fifteen thousand, How can I tell
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 2: I know?
• 1:32:57
  Speaker 3: You know, because you know where your girl sits, and
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 3: you feel like, no, I never knew anything like that
• 1:33:01
  Speaker 3: where they're sitting.
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 4: No, I never I never had that, and not till
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 4: I got not to think the NFL, where I knew
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 4: like people whe people were sitting. Yeah, and my dad
• 1:33:08
  Speaker 4: would always sit and want a certain spot, always kind
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 4: of look up at him every once in a while.
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 4: But my girl, every every game my dad ever came to,
• 1:33:14
  Speaker 4: even youth basketball, yeah, I'd always like find.
• 1:33:16
  Speaker 2: Him, find him. You're the flow state part is like.
• 1:33:22
  Speaker 4: When you're not in that state, you're thinking about what
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 4: just happened. So it's like that you're carrying something to
• 1:33:29
  Speaker 4: the next play. And I always always be like, oh,
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 4: should I had a turnover? Okay, that's like a tally.
• 1:33:35
  Speaker 4: And then like I'd be like, all right, I made
• 1:33:37
  Speaker 4: a shot. Okay, now we're even Oh I missed a shot.
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 4: You are teaching right now, Okay, I just had a
• 1:33:42
  Speaker 4: good pass. That's like then all of a sudden, like
• 1:33:45
  Speaker 4: what are you playing? You're not actually in the game.
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 4: You're like doing this tallly in you in your head. Yeah,
• 1:33:50
  Speaker 4: it's it was very detrimental to the the overall product
• 1:33:55
  Speaker 4: that I was trying to put out on the court.
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 1: There would be times where I'd be like so stressed
• 1:33:58
  Speaker 1: out about games that I would do that on purpose, Yes, right,
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 1: but okay, all you have to do is just play
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 1: well in this series and your player should be Okay,
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 1: that was a good play. He could have been on
• 1:34:05
  Speaker 1: that play, but like that won't be like a minus.
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: That'll because I made that good play on that yeah earlier. Well, no,
• 1:34:10
  Speaker 1: that you you start playing the like a lot of
• 1:34:12
  Speaker 1: times the way the greatest like minus zero plus zero
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 1: did your job.
• 1:34:15
  Speaker 3: Minus you didn't do your job.
• 1:34:16
  Speaker 4: Plus you did something extra, something extra there, And so
• 1:34:19
  Speaker 4: I like go and I have like a couple of
• 1:34:21
  Speaker 4: I have like zero across the board, one minus.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 2: And a plus.
• 1:34:23
  Speaker 1: Bag I'm up and even like a plus to me
• 1:34:27
  Speaker 1: would be double what a minus was you know in
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 1: your head. But you're like playing this game so you
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: can tell yourself I played good any way to tell
• 1:34:34
  Speaker 1: yourself I did well.
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 2: What about the feeling of.
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 4: Being in the arena, being on the field, on the court, whatever,
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 4: and just knowing that you're shit, like knowing that you
• 1:34:46
  Speaker 4: are having September this year game of your life.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, we and unfortunately we were all at.
• 1:34:52
  Speaker 4: And you're like, well, you can't escape it, and you
• 1:34:54
  Speaker 4: feel like everybody knows that you're ship. Everybody knows you're terrible.
• 1:34:58
  Speaker 2: What game was that? Worst fucking feeling as an Athletetember.
• 1:35:01
  Speaker 1: Twelve, twenty twenty one. I so I tore my ACL
• 1:35:04
  Speaker 1: in October.
• 1:35:06
  Speaker 2: Of twenty twenty. I'll have the four right so, and
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: in my head, I'm like, come back season.
• 1:35:15
  Speaker 1: I'm with the boys, all these all these guys the
• 1:35:17
  Speaker 1: whole year, telling like, hey, this would be a comeback here.
• 1:35:19
  Speaker 1: I feel great, I feel amazing, and I wasn't feeling
• 1:35:22
  Speaker 1: the best. I go into camp and I'm like, no
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: matter what is this better not be the film I
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: want to see right now? Roll the tape. I'm like,
• 1:35:32
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I have to start. I have to start
• 1:35:33
  Speaker 1: a half to start. I go out to play. They
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: announced the offense. I'm fucking women, crowds going wild. I
• 1:35:39
  Speaker 1: gave up two sacks in that game got dusted. Well,
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 1: that's challeng Jones getting five sacks. This dude, Chileng Jones
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 1: fifty five. He had five sacks in this game. I
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 1: gave up two to him. This is me right here.
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 3: But it feels like within the first three series, there's
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 3: there's some there's this is the next.
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 4: Series, this is the next series no chance, So I stop, stop, stop, stop.
• 1:35:58
  Speaker 2: So at this point I've given up two.
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 1: It's the first fucking quarter still, and I'm like, I've
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 1: never done that in my life. That's never happened to
• 1:36:05
  Speaker 1: me ever in my entire life. We're in the first
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 1: quarter of four. I'm having a horrible game, Like there's
• 1:36:12
  Speaker 1: no way to come back from it. It's got and
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 1: it just the rest of the game just got worse
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 1: and worse and worse. I'd be seen on the sideline
• 1:36:18
  Speaker 1: and like, you just feel like everyone's looking at you.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 1: I went and got an IV because I was cramping.
• 1:36:23
  Speaker 1: Thank God, that's what this sack is. Go you can
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: go back this sec This is a Kendall getting beat
• 1:36:28
  Speaker 1: for a sack. I go back into the game. I
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 1: played the Tennessee Times my whole entire career. I go
• 1:36:33
  Speaker 1: back into the game, and what do they say, Uh,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: the announcer love, the guy's name is Matt did a
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 1: real fucked up movie.
• 1:36:39
  Speaker 2: Go Tail.
• 1:36:40
  Speaker 4: Lajuana's back in the game. The whole stadium, not the
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 4: whole sam but the stadium starts booing and I'm.
• 1:36:45
  Speaker 3: Just like, Will, Yeah, Will, I saw Will up there.
• 1:36:48
  Speaker 3: Me and his wife are in the suite just fucking booming.
• 1:36:50
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it was, dude.
• 1:36:52
  Speaker 4: It was the worst, the worst feeling in the entire
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 4: world as an offensive lineman. Would you get a penalty?
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 4: What's going through your brain?
• 1:37:01
  Speaker 2: O care? Same thing? No?
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 3: No, hey, no, old man in the three We're in
• 1:37:04
  Speaker 3: the Old Man in the three podcasts right now he's
• 1:37:06
  Speaker 3: potting you up.
• 1:37:08
  Speaker 2: Well yeah, okay, go ahead, you know what. You guys
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 2: have the four. You guys have the four.
• 1:37:13
  Speaker 3: I was gonna say, what's the worst moment, what's the
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 3: worst what's that situation for you?
• 1:37:18
  Speaker 4: Game one, twenty nineteen playoffs against the Nets. I was
• 1:37:25
  Speaker 4: some shit and they kept targeting me and isoing me,
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 4: and I fouled out with like four minutes ago, my blessing,
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 4: Did you foul out?
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 2: You're like, yeah, I'm gonna try and foul out.
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 4: No, I was able to foul out of the Cardinals game.
• 1:37:39
  Speaker 4: I would have it is a little bit of blessing,
• 1:37:41
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Yeah, this is the great
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 4: thing about basketball. You have other players. They can produce,
• 1:37:45
  Speaker 4: so like if you're having a shit game, sometimes they'll
• 1:37:48
  Speaker 4: just be like, all right, we're gonna relieve him of
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 4: his duties and we're gonna go with the other guy.
• 1:37:52
  Speaker 4: He's getting getting benched, Yeah, getting benched. Yeah, just foll out,
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 4: thank god.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 2: But yeah. Uh and then D'Angelo Russell waved me off
• 1:38:01
  Speaker 2: the floor. He drew the sixth file. He waved me
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 2: off the floor.
• 1:38:03
  Speaker 4: And as I'm walking off the floor, yeah, I was
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 4: playing in Philly, the whole Philly. You know, the crowd
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 4: is booing me. Yeah, which there insane thing. Yeah, and
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 4: like that was that was a low point for me.
• 1:38:13
  Speaker 4: That was a low point. You know. The other part
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 4: was like playing with Chris, and I love Chris, but
• 1:38:19
  Speaker 4: like he demands so much of his teammates, and there
• 1:38:24
  Speaker 4: were games where like I would not play well and
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 4: I would feel like this overwhelming sense that I let
• 1:38:31
  Speaker 4: him down, you know, that I didn't I didn't reach
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 4: his level that night, and that that probably hurts more
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 4: than like getting booed by a crowd, right, because it's
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 4: to me, it was always about like am I accountable
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 4: to my teammates? If I'm accountable to my teammates, like
• 1:38:44
  Speaker 4: fuck everybody else, you.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: Know what I mean. So that probably those those moments
• 1:38:48
  Speaker 2: probably were worse. Yeah, they're the worse. It's the whole.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 3: Two thousand I'd say two thousand and sixteen Thanksgiving game
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 3: for the Dallas Cowboys. Like I've talked about it before
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 3: on here, but when I missed two tackles in a
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 3: row on Ezekiel Elliott. And not only that, but Dak
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 3: would check at the line of scrimmage and.
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 2: I knew, like what the run plays were.
• 1:39:14
  Speaker 3: He'd be like, he'd like step back and be like
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 3: whether it be like Pope or Giant, Like I would
• 1:39:19
  Speaker 3: know what plays were coming and what they were chee copies. Yeah,
• 1:39:23
  Speaker 3: And I would know what the play is and tell people.
• 1:39:26
  Speaker 3: And fucking he broke a tackle from me, I like
• 1:39:29
  Speaker 3: leave my feet diving off the diving board. And the
• 1:39:32
  Speaker 3: second miss tackle. The first one was in my head
• 1:39:34
  Speaker 3: and I'm thinking, don't miss his tackle. And you know
• 1:39:37
  Speaker 3: that that usually never works out for you. Universe doesn't
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 3: hear negatives?
• 1:39:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And then they come there.
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 3: It is right there, right fucking there, dude, And it
• 1:39:44
  Speaker 3: was a big back.
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 2: Go back. They drive, they drive all the way down again.
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 2: I want him to hurt like I did earlier. They
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 2: they drive all.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 3: The way down and score and we get to the
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 3: sideline and I'm sitting on the bench and those are
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 3: that's the time for me when I yeah, I really
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 3: for you, yeah, I mean he had a hand on
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 3: me too.
• 1:40:02
  Speaker 2: And then he does the fuck heating, which, by the way,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 2: is he Elliott stole that from dond Robinson. And then
• 1:40:07
  Speaker 2: they score and I go to the soul whole your
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 2: effort did not look great. Right there, that's a minus.
• 1:40:13
  Speaker 2: That's a minus.
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: I looked like as right there, Yeah, yeah, we can
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 1: go ahead and say that.
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 3: And I'm sitting on the sideline and I'm wondering. I'm like, man,
• 1:40:20
  Speaker 3: everybody like it's a Thanksgiving game. Everybody's watching the Cowboys
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 3: play on Thanksgiving, yep. And I saw an articles like
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 3: the most televised like football game that year and shit,
• 1:40:29
  Speaker 3: and it's just I'm sitting there thinking like, well, I
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 3: wonder what people are saying about me on Twitter. That's
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 3: to me, that was a moment when I knew social
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 3: media and other stuff was consuming my mind more than
• 1:40:38
  Speaker 3: you know, forget the last play, move to the next one.
• 1:40:41
  Speaker 3: It was more like I can't miss this tackle because
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 3: I'm on the big stage and everybody's gonna fucking think
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 3: I'm trash or no, that I'm trash, and that game
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 3: is one of those games you're like, man, just get
• 1:40:50
  Speaker 3: me fucking home and off the field.
• 1:40:52
  Speaker 2: It's a weird thing. As terrible, it's a weird thing
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 2: as an athlete.
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever felt this way of
• 1:40:57
  Speaker 1: feeling like you've made it, like you're a star in
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: the NFL or you're a star in the NBA, and
• 1:41:02
  Speaker 1: you think to yourself, Man, I.
• 1:41:03
  Speaker 2: Hope I don't get exposed. Everyone knows I don't belong here.
• 1:41:06
  Speaker 2: There's a feeling. Yes, yeah, that's normal. That is you
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 2: felt that. Oh yeah, that's normal. Okay, most I think
• 1:41:15
  Speaker 2: most well it's years of therapy. Yeah, but I love that.
• 1:41:18
  Speaker 4: No, but it's it's I think most high achievers and anything.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 4: If you asked, I don't know what the percentage is,
• 1:41:24
  Speaker 4: but be a large percentage of actors, actresses, musicians, professors,
• 1:41:29
  Speaker 4: like like, unless you're a narcissist like that has like
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 4: delusions of grander like you, you really do think at
• 1:41:37
  Speaker 4: times like I'm gonna be exposed.
• 1:41:39
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be exposed as a fraud. That sucks.
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: It almost be better to be a narcissist. Honestly, it
• 1:41:43
  Speaker 1: sounds like it sounds like a nice deal, like you
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 1: just don't know.
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 2: I agree with you that way. Yeah, like imence ignorance.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: I was, Yeah, super, I'm not I'm that dude.
• 1:41:52
  Speaker 1: Everyone's like, no, you're not, You're like you guys are haters.
• 1:41:54
  Speaker 1: But it's just fucking your narcissist. I gotta become a
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 1: narcissist twenty twenty too, shit urcissis Taylor. Yeah, let's go. Hey,
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: I do want to ask about your therapy. Do you
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 1: feel like the therapy stuff is where that started to
• 1:42:11
  Speaker 1: help you make your shift mentally in basketball? Like what
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 1: did you learn from therapy about yourself that was holding
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 1: you back?
• 1:42:20
  Speaker 2: It's a great question.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 4: I think I I I learned, I learned who I was.
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 4: I think I became more comfortable with who I was.
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 4: And do ever, you guys ever take personality tests? Yeah,
• 1:42:35
  Speaker 4: with the enneagram or something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
• 1:42:38
  Speaker 4: so you know I've done. I did a bunch of
• 1:42:41
  Speaker 4: college I did him in the NBA. I took one recently.
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 4: My wife would me take one recently? And like fifteen
• 1:42:47
  Speaker 4: twenty years ago, if I'd taken one, like on the
• 1:42:50
  Speaker 4: introverted extroverted scale scale, I would be like ninety five
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 4: percent introverted, and if I took one now, like i'd
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 4: be like fifty six introverted. So I'm still introverted, but
• 1:43:03
  Speaker 4: I like have gotten enough comfortable enough with who I
• 1:43:06
  Speaker 4: am and myself and enough confidence and like the person,
• 1:43:09
  Speaker 4: not the player, but the person. Because I was confident
• 1:43:14
  Speaker 4: as a person, I could navigate NBA locker rooms, I
• 1:43:17
  Speaker 4: could be a great teammate, I could be liaison between
• 1:43:19
  Speaker 4: the coach and the player. It helped me on the court,
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 4: you know, I'm just like I think it gave me
• 1:43:26
  Speaker 4: a sense of perspective about who I was and my
• 1:43:29
  Speaker 4: value as a human being. Again, it's like I'm nineteen
• 1:43:34
  Speaker 4: and everybody's like, fuck you. You know, you drink your
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 4: own pea. The best T shirt I ever saw was
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 4: I was at Maryland my sophomore year and these guys
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 4: had these white T shirts done and my picture was
• 1:43:46
  Speaker 4: on the front. So I went a little closer to
• 1:43:48
  Speaker 4: see what it said. And on the front it said
• 1:43:51
  Speaker 4: when I grew up, I want to name my kid
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 4: JJ Reddick. And so when I got close enough, they
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 4: turned around so that I could see what was written
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 4: on the back, and it said and beat him every day,
• 1:43:59
  Speaker 4: which you know, that's savage, savage right, So like here again,
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 4: I'm nineteen, I'm like, fuck, dude, you know so I
• 1:44:09
  Speaker 4: think you drinks.
• 1:44:10
  Speaker 2: No, I never have. I never have. But it was
• 1:44:12
  Speaker 2: a very clever.
• 1:44:15
  Speaker 4: So it was I think it was like becoming like
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 4: just just confident, like it's not it's I don't think
• 1:44:22
  Speaker 4: it's egotistical to be like sure of yourself, you know
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 4: what I mean. You could still be sure of yourself
• 1:44:29
  Speaker 4: and be self aware enough to know when you're wrong,
• 1:44:31
  Speaker 4: know when you fucked up, to know that it's not
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 4: all about you, Like my dad. That was the greatest
• 1:44:35
  Speaker 4: piece of advice I've ever got in my life.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: You tell me that.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 4: Every day as a kid, I'd complain about something like JJ,
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 4: it's not always about you, not always about you. That
• 1:44:44
  Speaker 4: helped me, you know, is a is a as a
• 1:44:46
  Speaker 4: basketball player on a team sport. It helped me help
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 4: me navigate everything. But I think I think that's what
• 1:44:51
  Speaker 4: it came down. That's that's that's the real benefit later
• 1:44:54
  Speaker 4: on in life, you know, as I became confident who
• 1:44:57
  Speaker 4: I was, I I We'll see I've seen a therapist that
• 1:45:02
  Speaker 4: lives on the West Coast and comes into New York
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 4: like once a month, and I talked to him on
• 1:45:07
  Speaker 4: the phone. But you know that more is like almost
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 4: performance coaching, you know what I mean by that, Like,
• 1:45:12
  Speaker 4: and he was the guy along with my wife really
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 4: you know, but he kind of helped me get that
• 1:45:17
  Speaker 4: last one percent to retire. It was like, but ninety
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 4: nine percent of the way there for like a year.
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 4: It was such a hard thing to let go of.
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 4: And so him and I like met a couple of times.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 4: We did a bunch of these like time value proposition exercises,
• 1:45:30
  Speaker 4: and we worked through some things why I want to play,
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 4: why I don't want to play, And by the end
• 1:45:36
  Speaker 4: of the second meeting, it was like, oh dude, it's
• 1:45:39
  Speaker 4: crystal clear, like it's not even as not even a
• 1:45:41
  Speaker 4: question about whether or not I should retire. I should retire,
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 4: Like it's it's time, and I was very comfortable with
• 1:45:47
  Speaker 4: doing it.
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: So damn.
• 1:45:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, have you guys you guys don't you guys aren't
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 4: in therapy?
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: See therapists? Oh yeah, I see therapist every week.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: Absolutely.
• 1:45:56
  Speaker 3: I first started doing couples therapy before we got married,
• 1:46:00
  Speaker 3: and then we like fell in love with the whole
• 1:46:02
  Speaker 3: therapy aspect, like emotional intelligence, all that stuff, Like I'm
• 1:46:05
  Speaker 3: I like love like looking into that stuff because I
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 3: feel like you're psyche. It's like everything right, like losing
• 1:46:10
  Speaker 3: control of yourself in a moment, like figuring out like
• 1:46:12
  Speaker 3: why am I reacting to this?
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 2: Or why am I.
• 1:46:14
  Speaker 3: Getting upset or losing control? Or what am I scared of?
• 1:46:18
  Speaker 3: Like being in therapy and actually talking about like it's
• 1:46:22
  Speaker 3: like it's like you get the dead ends, like when
• 1:46:24
  Speaker 3: you're in conversations with friends or buddies or something else
• 1:46:26
  Speaker 3: and you don't nearly you don't nearly go as far
• 1:46:29
  Speaker 3: as what you would in therapy, like there's nowhere to
• 1:46:31
  Speaker 3: go and you're in a safe place, and then they
• 1:46:33
  Speaker 3: ask those extra questions that actually get you talking about
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 3: like the underlying thing that like breaks you, and then
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 3: you're in tears for whatever reason, and then you come
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 3: out of it and you're like, you know, you start
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 3: learning about yourself a lot more.
• 1:46:44
  Speaker 4: So, I'm glad that I'm glad that this is a
• 1:46:46
  Speaker 4: safe space for us space.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 2: It's definitely a safe space. You work with what's the
• 1:46:51
  Speaker 2: dow's name.
• 1:46:52
  Speaker 3: You work with Armando.
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 1: Armando at least part of cheat code, and it's like
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 1: supposed to do a bunch of things he does, like
• 1:46:59
  Speaker 1: a sound way and different songs and stuff like that,
• 1:47:01
  Speaker 1: and you put those on. He talks you through stuff,
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 1: and it's pretty cool because you talk about what's what's
• 1:47:06
  Speaker 1: bothering you in this moment. It's like a present feeling,
• 1:47:08
  Speaker 1: like what's what's the he that's bothering me the most?
• 1:47:11
  Speaker 1: And he'll be like, all right, look forward, like how
• 1:47:13
  Speaker 1: do you feel when you look forward and think about it?
• 1:47:14
  Speaker 1: You're like, well, I feel this way. And then you
• 1:47:16
  Speaker 1: look right and look left and you're really present. You
• 1:47:18
  Speaker 1: can notice like when you look whether it's right or
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 1: left or middle, like some areas feel worse or better
• 1:47:25
  Speaker 1: than others, so whatever's worse. He'll be like, all right,
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 1: let's start there, or sometimes we'll start what's better, and
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 1: then you just work through He's all right, now fixate
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 1: on a spot, and then every sixty seconds, but like,
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 1: what are you thinking about right now? And then he
• 1:47:37
  Speaker 1: you start talking to him, and then at one point
• 1:47:39
  Speaker 1: while you're talking, it'll be rambling him like stop stop
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 1: right there and go with that, and then you just
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 1: kind of keep working through it. And I'd say majority
• 1:47:46
  Speaker 1: of the times ends in tears because you're just trying
• 1:47:49
  Speaker 1: to Yeah, you're just trying to figure out You're trying
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 1: to figure out, you know, why do I you do
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 1: certain things so that other people approve of you when
• 1:47:56
  Speaker 1: you can't just approve yourself?
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 4: Like what is that from from being a child or whatever?
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 4: And like how do you get to a point where
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 4: you're the only ones trying to person to yourself? And
• 1:48:05
  Speaker 4: it's just it's like you said, like the whole growth
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 4: thing is it's super It's the most important thing. It's
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 4: probably it's the most important thing as a human to do.
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 4: And we talk about reading, like we're both like trying.
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: To read more. And when I got to read, I'm.
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 4: Like to look at a fiction book like a book
• 1:48:21
  Speaker 4: that's not real. It's not a self help of Like
• 1:48:24
  Speaker 4: it's so hard for me to go and read that
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 4: because I could go find something that's going to help
• 1:48:27
  Speaker 4: me like be a better person, you know. And so
• 1:48:30
  Speaker 4: that's that's something definitely, And it's like you said all
• 1:48:33
  Speaker 4: the time, it's the most important thing, like with whether
• 1:48:36
  Speaker 4: it's sports, being a father, being a husband, all that stuff.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 4: On the emotional intelligence, he's doing it again, No, I
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 4: was not a question. It was a comment to Will's
• 1:48:45
  Speaker 4: comment is that, Okay, that's all right.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, carry immediately we started it.
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  Speaker 4: No, I would say this is a little bit of
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 4: a call back to what we were talking about earlier
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 4: about what will I ever be good at anything else?
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 4: And I think what I realized at the end my career,
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 4: and what I've realized over the last nine months is
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 4: like when you develop that side of your personality and
• 1:49:06
  Speaker 4: developed that side of your brain, you can fit anywhere.
• 1:49:10
  Speaker 4: Being able to like what we do, what you guys
• 1:49:13
  Speaker 4: have done for a long time, what I did for
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 4: fifteen years and prior to that at Duke in high school, AAU,
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 4: all that stuff, like what you do in a locker
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 4: room and being able to navigate that year in year out,
• 1:49:25
  Speaker 4: like that is building a skill set, and by building
• 1:49:29
  Speaker 4: your emotional intelligence, like you can fit anywhere, you could
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 4: do anything. I really believe that I'm not going to
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 4: develop a rocket. It's going to take us to Mars.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 4: I'm not saying, but there's other like that that's like
• 1:49:41
  Speaker 4: almost like a like a skill set that is overlooked.
• 1:49:43
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, i'd agree with you. Have you read
• 1:49:46
  Speaker 3: an emotional intelligence two point zero? No?
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 2: I haven't. Where do you get the emotional intelligence thing from.
• 1:49:51
  Speaker 4: The first time I heard it was actually, uh is
• 1:49:54
  Speaker 4: now become a good friend of mine. David Solomon who
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 4: now runs Golden Sacks. I met him, he was not
• 1:49:59
  Speaker 4: running Golden Sacks, was not the CEO. But yeah, it's
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 4: a little flex.
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 2: But no, but it was. It was like the first time.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 2: It was the first time I'd ever heard the phrase.
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 4: I spoke at this This was like in twenty sixteen,
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 4: I spoke on this panel at this retreat that Goldvin
• 1:50:14
  Speaker 4: Sachs was having for like tech and media CEOs.
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 2: I have no idea why I was invited. I really
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 2: truly don't know.
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 4: But I spoke on this panel with Maverick Carter and
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 4: Casey Wasserman and David and I spent some time together
• 1:50:28
  Speaker 4: at the dinner that night, and it was the first
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 4: time that he brought it. I was like, you, you
• 1:50:32
  Speaker 4: have good emotional intelligence. You could you know, you can
• 1:50:35
  Speaker 4: work on Wall Street if you want it. Like, oh,
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 4: So then I like started reading about it, and then
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 4: I started thinking about like how it relates to my
• 1:50:41
  Speaker 4: own life, Like it's it goes back to like anything
• 1:50:44
  Speaker 4: we do as an athlete, like our routine visualization, all
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 4: that stuff. It's like it's like that constant flow state
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 4: and so like being able to check in with yourself.
• 1:50:52
  Speaker 4: What am I projecting on other people? What is that
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 4: person projecting onto someone else? Like I'm constantly thinking about that,
• 1:50:58
  Speaker 4: you know what I mean. That's why it's been so
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  Speaker 3: And now back to the show. Are we doing tier talk? Oh,
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  Speaker 3: we get some tear talk. You have some tear talk.
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 2: We can have some tear talk.
• 1:52:25
  Speaker 3: Let's do some tear talk now. My question, so tear talk.
• 1:52:29
  Speaker 3: You guys are getting familiar with tiar talk. Everybody out
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 3: there in the audience. It's something newer that we've done,
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 3: but it's we have a tear system, we have our
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 3: our audience. There's tier ones out there, tier twos, and
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 3: tier threes. Now we bring it into a segment where
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 3: we rate things. Most notably recently has been the burger
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 3: thing that's one out there a couple of times when
• 1:52:43
  Speaker 3: we rate it in and out, which, by the way,
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 3: what's your favorite fast food burger? I saw all that
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 3: my favorite fast food burger? Man, it's definitely not in
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 3: and out?
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 2: Okay, cool, we need then the questions over the question
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 2: is now over, Like it's fine. It's not like but
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 2: you watch my thing and you're like, yeah, I totally
• 1:53:00
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• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: I'm like, it's like, fine, dude, this is great.
• 1:53:07
  Speaker 2: I'm having a blast. Okay, God, well talk about you know,
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: let's see what his favorite fast food burger is. Uh.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 4: I'm actually I would probably say what a burger because
• 1:53:19
  Speaker 4: I lived in Austin and that's probably like I think
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 4: it's I think it's good.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: I don't what about are we are we like solid burger?
• 1:53:24
  Speaker 2: Like are we doing like it's five guys fast food?
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: Is that not fast food? That's that's a that's a
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 2: big question people are saying right now. Yeah, because there's
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: no drive.
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 3: Through, drive through, which I do, like, I understand.
• 1:53:35
  Speaker 4: It's five guys, is more on the fast casual side
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 4: like Chipotle.
• 1:53:39
  Speaker 3: Basically, Oh, I don't even think a fast casual. It's
• 1:53:41
  Speaker 3: the second time i've heard that. Charles said it about Shakeshack.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 3: She's like, Shakeshack, Like Shakeshack, I think is awesome. She's like,
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 3: but it's a little more fast casual because yeah, it's not.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 3: There's no drive through.
• 1:53:50
  Speaker 1: And I'm like, you fancy, yeah, yeah, you fancy you.
• 1:53:54
  Speaker 4: Think the number one burger is because I'm sure you've
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 4: talked about you guys, but that's not that's not fast food.
• 1:53:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, take okay, so just drive throughs. I bet you,
• 1:54:02
  Speaker 2: I bet you men and out Burger makes it up.
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 2: There doesn't. I was gonna say shake Shack, but shakes
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 2: I mean Hartys.
• 1:54:07
  Speaker 3: Wow, Okay, Yeah, Carl Parties is fire. What a burger
• 1:54:14
  Speaker 3: is good? In and out is good. And I said,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 3: but you're thinking and out burger is better than what
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 3: a burger? No, you know you're just saying.
• 1:54:22
  Speaker 2: I'm lying. In and out burger is better than.
• 1:54:25
  Speaker 1: In and out would be your number best fast burger.
• 1:54:28
  Speaker 1: Carls Junior one in and Out too. I don't know, man,
• 1:54:33
  Speaker 1: once five guys has taken out for you kind of falla.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 2: Because I think Shakeshack is good. Yeah, you kind of
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: fall apart. Just a classy bitch, dude, you know what
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 2: I'm saying. That's funny as all right. So basically, so
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 2: tears dog go ahead.
• 1:54:49
  Speaker 3: You rattled me, You rattled me. I'm not even thinking
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 3: about that anymore. I'm trying to think of out fast
• 1:54:52
  Speaker 3: because we just found out that everything really stilled themselves
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 3: on the last two weeks.
• 1:54:54
  Speaker 2: It's not anymore.
• 1:54:55
  Speaker 3: I think the spicy ketchup is overrated at what a burger?
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 3: Mm hmm okay, because because Texas are big on that
• 1:55:02
  Speaker 3: perfect the whole the whole thing for me was coming
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 3: from Missouri like you be in the locker rooms and
• 1:55:07
  Speaker 3: when you travel like a Texas game or will you
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 3: we go on the West Coast to play Arizona and
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 3: the guys who are on your team or West Coast like, oh,
• 1:55:13
  Speaker 3: we got to go to in and Out and dudes
• 1:55:14
  Speaker 3: from Texas immediate argument in the locker about what a
• 1:55:17
  Speaker 3: burger in and out? So I always look forward to
• 1:55:20
  Speaker 3: going to these spots to try these both all these
• 1:55:23
  Speaker 3: different burgers, and now that I've had them a few
• 1:55:25
  Speaker 3: different times each, I do think I wanted to like
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 3: what a burger more because again, I I'm more so
• 1:55:31
  Speaker 3: like love to just argue against the West Coast people
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 3: because they're so prideful about in and out Burger.
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 2: But I would say in and out Burger is probably
• 1:55:36
  Speaker 2: better burger than what a burger.
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 1: Try fat burger too, Well, that's not all you drive
• 1:55:40
  Speaker 1: through either, that's casual.
• 1:55:42
  Speaker 2: Man, we learned something.
• 1:55:43
  Speaker 3: Yeah, but on this tier talk, we're gonna be doing
• 1:55:45
  Speaker 3: should we do pizza toppings or pizzas.
• 1:55:49
  Speaker 5: To where you can combine certain toppings and the well,
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 5: but some people like just a pepperoni pizza, riches pizza
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 5: or like whatever.
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: We're not the thing you can toppings themselves.
• 1:56:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that'd be difficult too. I don't know where
• 1:56:04
  Speaker 1: I'd stand on that, but I don't know where you
• 1:56:05
  Speaker 1: stand if I had to rank the number one topping.
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying, Like, are we gonna say if
• 1:56:10
  Speaker 3: if Taylor.
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: Says that show?
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 4: I don't know how the tear talk were.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: I think it's best pizza. I think best pizza. Yeah,
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 2: whatever is.
• 1:56:19
  Speaker 1: Your best your number one favorite pizza tears. You know what,
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 1: We'll do our three favorite pizzas and then you guys
• 1:56:25
  Speaker 1: will tear it for us. No, what do you mean
• 1:56:28
  Speaker 1: here for us? Because if we're doing tier talk, there's
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 1: tier one, two, and three.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 1: So JJ says my favorite pizza is X, and you
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 1: say my favorite pizza is why, and I say my
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 1: favorit pizza is Z. How are we gonna tear that?
• 1:56:40
  Speaker 1: We can't because we'd always say that our pizza is
• 1:56:42
  Speaker 1: number one.
• 1:56:43
  Speaker 2: Right, But that's what we did with Bert with the
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: fast food burger.
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 3: We go one, two, three, like we quietly let JJ
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 3: have the floor and he does this tier one through three.
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 1: But if you're just making a pizza, there's no he's
• 1:56:53
  Speaker 1: gonna make three pizza for us right now.
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 2: Off the top of my head, I can go. Let's go,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: I feel like everyone. Yeah, I can say three pizzas.
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: I'll figure out way say three pizza. You can go last, Taylor,
• 1:57:02
  Speaker 2: you can go. I'm always going last.
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 3: Now, JJ, you have the floor, All right's gonna go.
• 1:57:09
  Speaker 4: I'm gonna go in an order of how I want
• 1:57:11
  Speaker 4: to eat these pizzas. That makes sense.
• 1:57:14
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't know a little bit.
• 1:57:15
  Speaker 4: More so I like, if you go to a great
• 1:57:18
  Speaker 4: pizza place like Luke Collie in Brooklyn, I would I
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 4: would want to eat them in this order. Not the
• 1:57:25
  Speaker 4: entire pizza. I'm not that glutinous, but maybe a slice
• 1:57:29
  Speaker 4: or two of each. What I'm saying, gluatness is one
• 1:57:31
  Speaker 4: of the seven deadly since I've been glad. I would
• 1:57:36
  Speaker 4: start with two toppings that you guys don't actually have
• 1:57:40
  Speaker 4: on this graphic here, which.
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 2: Your number one? This is number one?
• 1:57:43
  Speaker 4: I would say, this is my number one pizza, okay,
• 1:57:45
  Speaker 4: number one, Like I just want like shallotts and hot peppers.
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: Shallattes and hot peppers. Let's just let them have the floor,
• 1:57:51
  Speaker 2: did it.
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 4: Second pizza would be what I call a twin special,
• 1:57:54
  Speaker 4: my wife's saired pizza along with her twin ago pepperoni,
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 4: white onion, green pepper. And then for kind of like
• 1:58:04
  Speaker 4: a dessert, I would go with ricotta sausage and maybe
• 1:58:07
  Speaker 4: some some stage mm hmm.
• 1:58:18
  Speaker 2: I fucked you guys up tonight.
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll tell you why you did your chef special
• 1:58:21
  Speaker 1: on us just now, so my man knows it's pizzas.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: Well.
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 3: You have the floor, my tier one. You already laughing
• 1:58:36
  Speaker 3: because I just feel like you just said some artistic
• 1:58:39
  Speaker 3: ship and you're gonna go sausage.
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: I mean, this is hard.
• 1:58:46
  Speaker 3: My Tier one is very hard because there's a couple
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 3: of pieces I'm thinking about. Well, either way, I got
• 1:58:52
  Speaker 3: to decide this tier one. That's what the hard part is.
• 1:58:57
  Speaker 3: But I think if I had to order a pizza,
• 1:59:02
  Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go.
• 1:59:08
  Speaker 4: Wait, he texted me this last night, so he's he's
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 4: had twenty four hours.
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: I thought about the entire I thought about my one.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: I know exactly what I have it.
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 3: I think I'm gonna go like a sweet heat where
• 1:59:21
  Speaker 3: you got pepperoni halapao's. I love onions, so you can
• 1:59:26
  Speaker 3: just throw onions on them. That's not really part of it.
• 1:59:28
  Speaker 3: But I do love onions. But you throw like a
• 1:59:30
  Speaker 3: uh you get the red pepper flakes, but you also
• 1:59:32
  Speaker 3: drizzled honey over top.
• 1:59:34
  Speaker 2: You drizzle honey honey. Yeah, some MIC's hot honey. Yeah.
• 1:59:37
  Speaker 2: I like that.
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 3: My number two is Hawaiian. That's what battle for my
• 1:59:42
  Speaker 3: number one. I'm a big Hawaiian pizza guy. I believe
• 1:59:44
  Speaker 3: in pineapples on pizza. I am pro pineapple on pizza.
• 1:59:47
  Speaker 3: And my number three.
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 2: Big CPK guy.
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 3: I love supremes, I love meat lovers, but I think
• 1:59:56
  Speaker 3: if I had to order, I would go pepperoni and bacon.
• 2:00:01
  Speaker 2: My Tier three, M Taylor take it.
• 2:00:04
  Speaker 1: From here, brother, Okay, My Tier three is gonna be
• 2:00:12
  Speaker 1: very basic, extremely basic. It's gonna be your Neapolitan cheese pizza.
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: I think you can't beat it. You got a little
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 1: bit of garnish on there, you got your cheese, your sauce,
• 2:00:24
  Speaker 1: and I think it's fantastic with the fluffy crust, it's
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: it's outstanding.
• 2:00:29
  Speaker 2: That's my Tier three. My Tier two is.
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: Also the Hawaiian pizza, but with a spice. You gotta
• 2:00:36
  Speaker 1: throw banana peppers on there or jalapinos. I like a
• 2:00:39
  Speaker 1: little spice.
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 2: I have the four.
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 1: And number one is going to be I almost said
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: yes when you said sopk because I'm a barbecue chicken
• 2:00:52
  Speaker 1: pizza guy. That's my number one barbecue sauce chicken. Really yeah,
• 2:00:59
  Speaker 1: a little on on there. I think it's out It's
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 1: my favorite possible pizza I can make for myself.
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 2: Barb cute chickens, Robert good chicken.
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 3: Now that we're done, What the fuck was that, dude? Yeah?
• 2:01:13
  Speaker 2: What did you say? What was your number one? Shallots
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: and what shallots and Pepperoni's shallots? Shalots on pizza? It's
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: a cheat coat. What's a shalat? A shalot is like
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 2: like a little onion right between like a red onion garlic.
• 2:01:26
  Speaker 2: I like garlic, Yeah, I like onions.
• 2:01:28
  Speaker 3: I mean I like both those cook a little bit.
• 2:01:31
  Speaker 3: Shallat and sheldon what uh? Hot peppers? Hot peppers? How
• 2:01:36
  Speaker 3: some of those are like terrible and greases. I'm just
• 2:01:37
  Speaker 3: thinking you're tier one. You're like, hey, JJ, what do
• 2:01:39
  Speaker 3: you want to eat? They got someone with the shallots
• 2:01:41
  Speaker 3: and not peppers on it.
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 4: Here's the fuck man. I am not not a CPK hater.
• 2:01:47
  Speaker 4: I think I think restaurants like CPK Chili's TJ Fridays
• 2:01:51
  Speaker 4: like they have their place in America, and I respect them,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 4: and I've ate a lot of meals at places like that,
• 2:01:57
  Speaker 4: But you're.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 2: Better than them.
• 2:01:58
  Speaker 4: That question where you guys are eating pizza based on you,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 4: you guys saying Hawaiian pizza for both of you was
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 4: number two?
• 2:02:07
  Speaker 2: Fire and a barbecue chicken said number one.
• 2:02:10
  Speaker 1: I think question that, I think you can't touch barbecue
• 2:02:12
  Speaker 1: chicken pizza if you have the right barbecue sauce on it.
• 2:02:14
  Speaker 3: Brother, that's the one thing, like I mean cheese to me,
• 2:02:18
  Speaker 3: I was like, but everybody some people like like their
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 3: cheese pizza.
• 2:02:21
  Speaker 4: I don't want to sound like a coastal elite here. Yeah,
• 2:02:23
  Speaker 4: but I'm gonna sound like a coastal elite.
• 2:02:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, not getting you.
• 2:02:26
  Speaker 4: Like I live in New York. I live in Brooklyn.
• 2:02:28
  Speaker 4: Brooklyn is the best pizza in the world. Like, the
• 2:02:30
  Speaker 4: ship is discussed, what do you mean the ship that
• 2:02:32
  Speaker 4: we're talking about? So you would need a sweet heat.
• 2:02:35
  Speaker 4: I think you ragged it, like, oh that sounds pretty good.
• 2:02:36
  Speaker 4: Yeah you said that, you actually did it. I think
• 2:02:38
  Speaker 4: you said that so sweet heat sounded nice.
• 2:02:41
  Speaker 3: Hawaiian pizzazza is fire, bro.
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a coastal elite, you guys should just sit on
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: the traditional ingredients and you guys just make the best
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 1: pizza and that's it.
• 2:02:48
  Speaker 2: That's how I think a coastal elite works.
• 2:02:51
  Speaker 1: So I think by you doing by you doing some
• 2:02:53
  Speaker 1: special like challottes and hot peppers, does that make you
• 2:02:56
  Speaker 1: a coastal leaders? Make you use your you're just a
• 2:02:58
  Speaker 1: little fluff ad your TJ fright us with some Fluff's
• 2:03:00
  Speaker 1: what it sounds like to me, it's just what it
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 1: sounds like.
• 2:03:04
  Speaker 2: But I will agree on the barbecue chicken part. The
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: barbecue chicken throws me off.
• 2:03:07
  Speaker 1: Brokay, I'm not here to argue that part. I've gone
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 1: downhill within an out burger. I've seen what the people
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 1: have done. If Seal will stow to do to me,
• 2:03:13
  Speaker 1: I think it's fucking ridiculous. Chicken pizza, honestly shameful of
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 1: you guys to handle you yourself the way you have.
• 2:03:18
  Speaker 2: I think it's fucking ridiculous.
• 2:03:20
  Speaker 3: I think barbecue chicken pizza is the best pizza by
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 3: cue chicken pizza.
• 2:03:23
  Speaker 2: No, they wouldn't eat Barbie chicken pizza. We wouldn't feed that,
• 2:03:26
  Speaker 2: y'all fucking up. We wouldn't feed that. You're fucking up
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: you like a Barbie.
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 8: My daughter?
• 2:03:30
  Speaker 3: What's my daughter to mellow mushroom last Sunday?
• 2:03:34
  Speaker 1: She wants to go back this, she wants to go
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: back tonight. I probably go get one tonight. You know
• 2:03:38
  Speaker 1: what I'm an order the Barbieae chicken pizza. Nope, hang on, no,
• 2:03:42
  Speaker 1: I'm like go half and half now.
• 2:03:44
  Speaker 2: Look wine is fucking goot.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 4: A little little heat on it? Right, Yeah, I'll put
• 2:03:47
  Speaker 4: a little sweet heat on it. Absolutely, I did like
• 2:03:49
  Speaker 4: the sweet heat vibe.
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 3: You want to know where you get that pizza at?
• 2:03:52
  Speaker 3: Go Ahead Midnight Oil. So if a fifty first, no free,
• 2:03:56
  Speaker 3: shout us to Midnight Oil. But you go to Midnight
• 2:03:58
  Speaker 3: Oil and you order a sweet heat pizza pizza from
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 3: and I don't like that. Let him know the boy
• 2:04:01
  Speaker 3: sent you. Okay, a little something in.
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: There once you know I sent me and I wanted
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: to just sweet hate pizza.
• 2:04:08
  Speaker 2: Please, it's it's phenomenal. Really, are you here until tomorrow? Bad?
• 2:04:12
  Speaker 2: Leave tonight? What time? Uh ship a little bit? Yeah,
• 2:04:17
  Speaker 2: something like that.
• 2:04:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, is this one of those show at seven
• 2:04:20
  Speaker 1: thirty things? Are we getting there a couple of hours early.
• 2:04:23
  Speaker 2: To my flight? Yeah?
• 2:04:24
  Speaker 7: No, I don't get or I don't go to the
• 2:04:25
  Speaker 7: airport early. Who does that? I'm not a But here's
• 2:04:27
  Speaker 7: what we're trying to ask. Driving there to fly out
• 2:04:30
  Speaker 7: at seven thirty? Are you getting there at an hour
• 2:04:32
  Speaker 7: hour and a half before?
• 2:04:33
  Speaker 2: But we're going through TSA. Are we're not going to tsay? Oh,
• 2:04:35
  Speaker 2: I see what you're asking.
• 2:04:36
  Speaker 4: I see what you're asking you guys flew me down
• 2:04:39
  Speaker 4: like I'm like this this trip was not on me.
• 2:04:41
  Speaker 7: Oh, he's right now, you know what he is, right,
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 7: bar barstol Fleet, you're our first.
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 3: Guest that we've flown down to be on us. Yeah,
• 2:04:48
  Speaker 3: we've just started kind of doing that. You should ask
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 3: for some money, probably would have gave it to you.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's just my pleasure to be on the show.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 6: Man.
• 2:04:54
  Speaker 2: I love that your show. No, I don't. I don't
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 2: think I'm not a I'm not. I'm not that level it. Guys,
• 2:05:00
  Speaker 2: you don't like barbecue chicken pizza. I don't like what
• 2:05:02
  Speaker 2: we're talking about. Are we're not talking about we're not
• 2:05:04
  Speaker 2: talking about.
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: Talking about private jets? Yes, I last start too extreme
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: right now to be doing that. I don't think barbecue
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: pizza is trash. I just don't order it or I
• 2:05:13
  Speaker 1: don like. To me, it's like, what are we doing?
• 2:05:15
  Speaker 1: I felt that way about Supreme. It's really just staple.
• 2:05:18
  Speaker 1: But for me, I'm like, all the extra shit on
• 2:05:20
  Speaker 1: it yours and I said it was solid.
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 3: You have Barbie Chicken, any Barbie CHICKI Chicken in the
• 2:05:26
  Speaker 3: back there, Chicken b Ranch.
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: It's number one by far, Like it's not even fucking
• 2:05:32
  Speaker 2: close that Hobbin Aero cream Pie. Holy fuck dude.
• 2:05:37
  Speaker 1: Yes see, that's where it kind of throws me off
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 1: when he start talking aboutizzas, because there's like that's like
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 1: a gourmet pizza, like five points is like Jack Brown's
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 1: in a lot of ways with the burgers, Like you
• 2:05:47
  Speaker 1: can't like just go like if I were to say
• 2:05:49
  Speaker 1: to you, guys are like jalapenos, but the seeds carved
• 2:05:52
  Speaker 1: out with cream cheese on on it. Also, it just
• 2:05:55
  Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense to be able to explain that pizza.
• 2:05:57
  Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
• 2:05:58
  Speaker 3: I thought JJ's gonna explain something. Did I think he did?
• 2:06:01
  Speaker 3: I still we need an interpret to figure out what
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 3: you said? Yeah, what was the Yeah you said a
• 2:06:05
  Speaker 3: little bit of stage.
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: And that's where I was like, you.
• 2:06:07
  Speaker 4: Guys have had like a fried sage leaf before, like
• 2:06:09
  Speaker 4: a little bit of little fried sage leaf on the
• 2:06:11
  Speaker 4: sausage in ricotta pizza.
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: That does sound like white sauce. Like I look like
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: a guy that had fried stage on my pizza in
• 2:06:20
  Speaker 2: your life? You've never had fried sage? Did you have
• 2:06:24
  Speaker 2: when you grew up? Fried stage? It's seven bucks?
• 2:06:27
  Speaker 3: Is chicken expensive? It sounds expensive. It just sounds expensive
• 2:06:31
  Speaker 3: to me, Like he's a very expensive place.
• 2:06:34
  Speaker 2: Is it is? It must have been nice? But what
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 2: was that? Why don't you move down in Nashville? What's up? Sorry?
• 2:06:40
  Speaker 2: I go do what's question first? Well again, what was
• 2:06:42
  Speaker 2: the dry I get you explained? What what about it?
• 2:06:45
  Speaker 2: What was what were the toppings? What? Ricotta? Cheese, sausage
• 2:06:50
  Speaker 2: and fried sage? See?
• 2:06:52
  Speaker 3: I think table combo. It sounds like it's like a
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 3: tasty pizza, for sure. But if we're just like ranking
• 2:06:58
  Speaker 3: our pizzas, dude, and you're saying sage and racanon sausage.
• 2:07:02
  Speaker 4: I actually the best thing I heard from both of
• 2:07:05
  Speaker 4: you was just a classic Neapolitan cheese pizza.
• 2:07:07
  Speaker 2: Honestly, I think that's well that's.
• 2:07:10
  Speaker 1: Because I said garnish too. Did you hear I started
• 2:07:12
  Speaker 1: sound fancy like you, I said garnish. So basically, what
• 2:07:16
  Speaker 1: you just fucking said with all those fancy words is
• 2:07:17
  Speaker 1: a sausage pizza with a little bit of age keys
• 2:07:21
  Speaker 1: A sausage pizza. Toasted me that green ship on there
• 2:07:23
  Speaker 1: as was what you said to the person on the counter.
• 2:07:25
  Speaker 4: You like melow mushroom, though I do Melo pizza, I
• 2:07:29
  Speaker 4: underrated pizza.
• 2:07:30
  Speaker 1: I went my daughter to a birthday party last week,
• 2:07:33
  Speaker 1: Chuck E Cheese. Don't fucking at me, dude, that Chuck
• 2:07:36
  Speaker 1: E Cheese is low key fire Peter Harper Pizza.
• 2:07:39
  Speaker 3: For those of you in the West, chuck e Cheese
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 3: in a long time.
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: So I'll when and I went.
• 2:07:44
  Speaker 4: That, When and I went there, it was the pretty
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 4: money grown up so we couldn't go to Chuck e Cheese, that's.
• 2:07:48
  Speaker 3: Crazy, that's cray. We got the fried stage though. Huh,
• 2:07:54
  Speaker 3: that's a lot of sausage and fried sage.
• 2:07:58
  Speaker 2: He just said sausage and cheese pizza.
• 2:08:00
  Speaker 3: I know he did, but he's also he's also like,
• 2:08:02
  Speaker 3: the only thing you guys said good was the cheese pizza.
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 3: And I'm thinking, like, bro stop anything like you didn't
• 2:08:07
  Speaker 3: react and I said sweet heat.
• 2:08:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah you did say that because I almost because when
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 1: you said that's well, I almost said, hey, we don't
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 1: react here.
• 2:08:14
  Speaker 2: We don't react on the tier talk, do you know.
• 2:08:16
  Speaker 2: I know, trying to keep it. That's why I was
• 2:08:18
  Speaker 2: holding it in while he was going, well picture when
• 2:08:20
  Speaker 2: he said the sweet heat.
• 2:08:21
  Speaker 4: I'm pictured. There's a there's a place called Emily in Brooklyn.
• 2:08:24
  Speaker 4: It makes a great burger as well as guy, No,
• 2:08:27
  Speaker 4: it's kidding, good water's better up there, man, Like, what
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 4: do you want me to say the water's better for pizza?
• 2:08:32
  Speaker 2: Why the bagels are so good?
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 4: And bagels, but Emily has like a like a sweet
• 2:08:36
  Speaker 4: heat pizza that basically is the description what you described.
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: And they do a little MIC's hot honey on the
• 2:08:41
  Speaker 2: top and you've had it and I've had it. Fire,
• 2:08:42
  Speaker 2: it's fire. It's a good pizza.
• 2:08:44
  Speaker 3: You just don't I think you don't agree with pineapple
• 2:08:47
  Speaker 3: and pizza.
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 4: No it sus I don't wake up, you know, well,
• 2:08:51
  Speaker 4: who's the morning and be like I'm the things. I
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 4: can't waitant people tonight and I want to put pineapple
• 2:08:55
  Speaker 4: on it. Like that's just a weird thing to me.
• 2:08:56
  Speaker 4: It's that mush mushrooms. Like I eat everything, but mushrooms.
• 2:08:59
  Speaker 4: I can't. I can't touch. I can't touch mushrooms.
• 2:09:02
  Speaker 2: Not for me.
• 2:09:03
  Speaker 4: Now Italian truffles, I could hear.
• 2:09:10
  Speaker 2: Whiplash. I'm turning looking at you so fast, dude.
• 2:09:13
  Speaker 1: What was the second pizza you say, because you were
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 1: kind of did it run like a run on sentence
• 2:09:17
  Speaker 1: for the last special?
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: Huh, twins special. It's just simple pepperoni, white onion, green pepper.
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: We just got to start naming our shit cool so
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 2: it sounds better.
• 2:09:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he said white onion, like when he said when
• 2:09:27
  Speaker 1: he said the way when you I'm saying even out there.
• 2:09:29
  Speaker 1: When he was talking like that, I legit thought to myself,
• 2:09:31
  Speaker 1: like we picked the wrong category.
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: We're about to say sausage and ship. You know, we're
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: about to say basic ship. I believed in what I
• 2:09:37
  Speaker 2: was about to say. I stay, I stay in tantoed down.
• 2:09:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but he said twins pizza, he said ricotta. He
• 2:09:42
  Speaker 1: used the word ricotta, stayed cheese.
• 2:09:45
  Speaker 2: And what's crazy is he been thinking about that since
• 2:09:47
  Speaker 2: last night. Yeah, he's a homework guy. He's got fifteen
• 2:09:50
  Speaker 2: pages on both of us. Forgot where I was from Instnia.
• 2:09:53
  Speaker 4: I the only reason I thought of all those pizzas
• 2:09:55
  Speaker 4: because when I saw the toppings, I was like.
• 2:09:57
  Speaker 2: Oh shall it's not on there? Can I ask you
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 2: a hard hit?
• 2:09:59
  Speaker 4: Went back to the catalog in my brain. Can I
• 2:10:02
  Speaker 4: ask you a hard hitting basketball question? Who's the greatest
• 2:10:04
  Speaker 4: of all time?
• 2:10:06
  Speaker 2: Man? Who's the goat? I like that second part question
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: was Michael Jordan narcissist. I think it's like it's one A,
• 2:10:18
  Speaker 2: one B to me. I don't I don't. I don't
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: like that answer.
• 2:10:20
  Speaker 1: I want you to take a strong one A Who's Ah.
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 4: It's weird because Jordan is who I like, grew up watching,
• 2:10:31
  Speaker 4: but then Lebron is who I played against, and it's
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 4: hard for me to like pick either one. Kyle Korver
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 4: once said to me, he's like, you know, like MJ.
• 2:10:42
  Speaker 4: I know the accompliment. Accomplishments are great, but like MJ
• 2:10:45
  Speaker 4: had to take two years off. So like the discredit
• 2:10:49
  Speaker 4: Lebron gets for making eight straight finals, I think is
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 4: kind of insane. So I'm I had to say it.
• 2:10:56
  Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say Jordan one A that.
• 2:10:59
  Speaker 2: Was your say answer because if you would have said Lebron,
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: you'd got torched. Jordan is Jordan? Okay, Lebron's your two?
• 2:11:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah? What about Kobe? Great player? Great player?
• 2:11:10
  Speaker 2: Oh you know what.
• 2:11:11
  Speaker 4: Here's the here's the other thing I've learned, especially in
• 2:11:14
  Speaker 4: the last year, is the you guys know what a
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 4: stand is, right, yes, yes, okay, eminent callback.
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: The song is incredible, too, incredible song.
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 4: What I've realized is that certain players stands are fucking insane.
• 2:11:30
  Speaker 4: On social media, and I said a bunch of nice
• 2:11:34
  Speaker 4: things about Steph Curry the other day, And but the
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 4: question was who do you want in the clutch? More
• 2:11:41
  Speaker 4: Luca or Staph. I saw that, but I said in
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty two, I said Luca. And the amount of
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 4: hate that I got from the Steph stands.
• 2:11:48
  Speaker 2: Do you think he deserved it? A little bit? Greatest
• 2:11:50
  Speaker 2: shooter of all time?
• 2:11:52
  Speaker 4: Again, that wasn't the question, though, game in the line,
• 2:11:55
  Speaker 4: who do you want the ball in their hands?
• 2:11:56
  Speaker 2: The question, yeah, exactly, And I said, Luca, who do
• 2:11:59
  Speaker 2: you want with the ball? But why diys?
• 2:12:02
  Speaker 1: But if he if my man can just pull up
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 1: at the logo and splash that thing and no problem,
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 1: then we don't need size. Oh I sound like a
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 1: basketball right now. Luca is big, he's a dominant player.
• 2:12:18
  Speaker 1: He can't shoot like Steph. Everyone knows that no one
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 1: can shoot like stuff. Okay, so why wouldn't you put
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 1: Do you need a basket?
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 2:12:24
  Speaker 4: The whole concept of basketball is to put the ball
• 2:12:26
  Speaker 4: in the hoop. The issue more is like how you
• 2:12:28
  Speaker 4: go get the basket?
• 2:12:29
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 4: Like so when I think about like watch, I think
• 2:12:33
  Speaker 4: I look at statistics because they track those about your honis.
• 2:12:37
  Speaker 2: The best player in the world right now, you'd rather
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: have Luca over him too.
• 2:12:43
  Speaker 4: No, the question was the question that I got asked,
• 2:12:46
  Speaker 4: was Luc or Steph, Well and bust one of the boys.
• 2:12:48
  Speaker 4: We like to throw in wrenches, you know what. There's
• 2:12:52
  Speaker 4: like ten guys I'd like to have in the clutch
• 2:12:54
  Speaker 4: with the ball in their hands.
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: All right, but go on to me about Luca. Sorry,
• 2:12:58
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean to throw you in there.
• 2:12:59
  Speaker 4: What I was when I think about, like, who do
• 2:13:01
  Speaker 4: I want to have the ball in their hands in
• 2:13:03
  Speaker 4: the clutch, It's guys like Luca's, guys like Lebron who
• 2:13:09
  Speaker 4: have size, because they're going to create a shot, whether
• 2:13:13
  Speaker 4: that's against the double team, whether that's one on one,
• 2:13:16
  Speaker 4: they're going to create a shot. There's nothing wrong with
• 2:13:19
  Speaker 4: saying Steph in that answer, by the way, and he's
• 2:13:21
  Speaker 4: made a ton of clutch shots. I was basing some
• 2:13:23
  Speaker 4: of it on just this past season. Steph was ten
• 2:13:26
  Speaker 4: for fifty one from three in the clutch this season.
• 2:13:28
  Speaker 4: So like, some of that is recency bias, which is
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 4: another thing I've learned in the media. We all have
• 2:13:33
  Speaker 4: versus of the moment. I like to describe stephen A
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 4: as that. It's another phrase that I see that I
• 2:13:37
  Speaker 4: use Yeah, yeah, it sucks.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: It sucks. I can't imagine.
• 2:13:41
  Speaker 4: I can't imagine getting the point where like, you have
• 2:13:43
  Speaker 4: a show every day and you're like, man, I got
• 2:13:46
  Speaker 4: to fill two fucking hours with the same take, but
• 2:13:49
  Speaker 4: in a different way.
• 2:13:50
  Speaker 2: That's tough. I like to pop in and pop out.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 2:13:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved what you love the clapping back you
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 3: were doing on a mad Dog. I think every young
• 2:13:59
  Speaker 3: generation an athlete, young generation person was fairly hype about that.
• 2:14:07
  Speaker 4: The one thing I'll say, and this is not in
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 4: sort of any direction towards Matt Dog. The one thing
• 2:14:13
  Speaker 4: I say is like I and I'm sure you guys
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 4: have seen this too. I have witnessed and lived both
• 2:14:19
  Speaker 4: in my own personal experience and my peers experience a
• 2:14:23
  Speaker 4: lot of tired narratives around athletes. And you know, I
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 4: remember going through the lockout and seeing articles written about athletes,
• 2:14:34
  Speaker 4: and I'm like, why, why is everybody siding with the
• 2:14:38
  Speaker 4: billionaire owners and not the athletes. It's there's something about
• 2:14:43
  Speaker 4: athletes that people think we're entitled, that people think we're
• 2:14:47
  Speaker 4: our only value is to entertain you on a basketball
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  Speaker 4: court or a football field, that we're not allowed to
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  Speaker 4: be intelligent and speak our mind or speak an opinion,
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  Speaker 4: or to protest or whatever it is.
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  Speaker 2: And it's so dehumanizing and so demeaning, and a lot of.
• 2:15:05
  Speaker 4: A lot of the stuff that has gone viral on
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 4: first take has been in a direct response to some
• 2:15:11
  Speaker 4: of those narratives. And that's one example of it. But
• 2:15:15
  Speaker 4: you know the other part of it, I don't really
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 4: want to talk about. Sure, the undertone I don't want
• 2:15:21
  Speaker 4: to talk about, but you know, so much of that
• 2:15:24
  Speaker 4: is like, hold on a second, Like the narrative is wrong,
• 2:15:27
  Speaker 4: the narrative is tired.
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  Speaker 2: Let's let's start a new narrative that makes sense.
• 2:15:31
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, man, I do want to ask before I know, we've.
• 2:15:36
  Speaker 2: Been We've had a long pot and we got to
• 2:15:37
  Speaker 2: play it.
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  Speaker 9: In the game of pig, is is coach Is Coach
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 9: K a psycho from the outside When you watch a
• 2:15:46
  Speaker 9: lot of situations unfold, it seems like a lot of
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 9: things that he does seems very calculated.
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  Speaker 3: Huh and uh, And yes, I'm wondering it's like, is
• 2:15:55
  Speaker 3: coach K?
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  Speaker 4: But I guess I guess when you because my version
• 2:16:01
  Speaker 4: of a psycho, my definition of a psycho. I I
• 2:16:03
  Speaker 4: also use the word sicko interchangeably about when I talk
• 2:16:08
  Speaker 4: about people.
• 2:16:09
  Speaker 2: Gotcha, and like, what's your sort of definition?
• 2:16:12
  Speaker 1: Psycho is pretty hardcore, over the top, very much, brilliant,
• 2:16:16
  Speaker 1: demonstrative on players. Hardcore makes you feel less than a
• 2:16:21
  Speaker 1: lot of the time, stassistic, narcissistic.
• 2:16:23
  Speaker 3: Understand manipulative game that he can do with players. I mean,
• 2:16:28
  Speaker 3: you've played for him, there's been a lot.
• 2:16:30
  Speaker 2: I wouldn't. I don't. I think I think manipulative is
• 2:16:35
  Speaker 2: the wrong word. I think.
• 2:16:39
  Speaker 4: The word you use about calculative, I think that's probably
• 2:16:43
  Speaker 4: more appropriate.
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  Speaker 2: I don't.
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  Speaker 4: He's definitely not, definitely not a narcissist. He's definitely not
• 2:16:47
  Speaker 4: a psycho in sort of the traditional sense. He is
• 2:16:51
  Speaker 4: very intense and he's very demanding, but he's a truth teller.
• 2:16:56
  Speaker 2: He is always a truth teller.
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  Speaker 4: And you know, my four years with him, I say
• 2:17:01
  Speaker 4: this sincerely, my four years with him, I never saw
• 2:17:04
  Speaker 4: him have a bad day, like not at what he's on.
• 2:17:08
  Speaker 4: He's on every day we get back from Virginia Tech
• 2:17:11
  Speaker 4: on the bus at three am. He you know, we
• 2:17:14
  Speaker 4: lose meeting. You know, we're in there for an hour.
• 2:17:18
  Speaker 4: We got practice the next day. He's on the bike
• 2:17:20
  Speaker 4: at six am. He comes to practice, energize, ready to go,
• 2:17:23
  Speaker 4: ready to coach. He's like that with every team he's
• 2:17:25
  Speaker 4: ever been on. He's so invested in and takes such
• 2:17:29
  Speaker 4: ownership you know, or did take such ownership of being
• 2:17:32
  Speaker 4: a coach, being a duke basketball coach, like that program.
• 2:17:36
  Speaker 4: He's phenomenal. And I get to a degree when someone
• 2:17:41
  Speaker 4: sees him motherfucking a raft or motherfucking a nineteen year old,
• 2:17:44
  Speaker 4: Like I get why people are like, oh.
• 2:17:45
  Speaker 2: He's he's a psycho.
• 2:17:47
  Speaker 4: He's a psycho, But like I actually would say, all
• 2:17:50
  Speaker 4: the good shit that said about him is true. And
• 2:17:53
  Speaker 4: then so like he's my dad is the greatest man
• 2:17:58
  Speaker 4: that I've ever known. I didn't have to look far
• 2:18:00
  Speaker 4: for a role model. Coach is the second. Like, coach
• 2:18:03
  Speaker 4: is phenomenal.
• 2:18:05
  Speaker 2: And I.
• 2:18:08
  Speaker 4: Became friends with him my junior year and we've been
• 2:18:10
  Speaker 4: friends now for whatever that is, seventeen years. He's like
• 2:18:15
  Speaker 4: such an important part of my life and it has
• 2:18:17
  Speaker 4: been for you know, since two thousand when I committed,
• 2:18:21
  Speaker 4: Like he's just he's the man.
• 2:18:22
  Speaker 2: I love that dude.
• 2:18:24
  Speaker 1: After your little stint your sophomore year when you were
• 2:18:27
  Speaker 1: brought back and put on a big schedule. Did you
• 2:18:29
  Speaker 1: and him ever talk about it, like reminisced maybe a
• 2:18:32
  Speaker 1: couple of years ago about it, like, hey, you were
• 2:18:34
  Speaker 1: I was worried about you there for a second. Do
• 2:18:36
  Speaker 1: you ever give you that he didn't know if you're
• 2:18:37
  Speaker 1: going to make it.
• 2:18:38
  Speaker 4: We talked a little bit about it when he came
• 2:18:39
  Speaker 4: on the podcast in the fall of twenty twenty. But
• 2:18:42
  Speaker 4: actually the moment we became friends and the moment that
• 2:18:46
  Speaker 4: I felt like he wasn't just my coach was that
• 2:18:50
  Speaker 4: following spring we lost in the sweet sixteen to Michigan
• 2:18:53
  Speaker 4: State in Austin War School.
• 2:18:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Terrible, And you know I had I'd gone through all
• 2:19:01
  Speaker 4: that my sophomore year and then I, you know, got
• 2:19:05
  Speaker 4: ACC Player of the Year, ACC Tournament, Tournament, m v P,
• 2:19:08
  Speaker 4: First Team All American, I got one of the national
• 2:19:10
  Speaker 4: Player of the Year awards, I got the Rough Award,
• 2:19:13
  Speaker 4: and we yeah, let's give it.
• 2:19:17
  Speaker 2: Now.
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  Speaker 4: Context context matters, Yeah, no doubt, high point, no doubt.
• 2:19:22
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 2:19:23
  Speaker 4: So he called he called me into where we we
• 2:19:27
  Speaker 4: lose at the arena. We're all emotional, I'm crying, and
• 2:19:29
  Speaker 4: we'll get on the bus. He's like, hey, come to
• 2:19:31
  Speaker 4: my hotel room. We'll get back to the hotel and
• 2:19:33
  Speaker 4: we went in there and we basically talked about that.
• 2:19:35
  Speaker 4: We talked about that day in May of two thousand
• 2:19:38
  Speaker 4: and four when he dragged me, when they dragged me
• 2:19:40
  Speaker 4: to the office. Talked about that summer, everything I'd done,
• 2:19:43
  Speaker 4: We talked about the season. He talked about how proud
• 2:19:45
  Speaker 4: he was of me, like I was a lifer at
• 2:19:49
  Speaker 4: that point, like I was a coach klifer. He was,
• 2:19:52
  Speaker 4: he was a friend from that point on. Yeah, that
• 2:19:55
  Speaker 4: is awesome.
• 2:19:56
  Speaker 3: And then one last thing, another one last thing, they
• 2:20:00
  Speaker 3: gambling story of you almost coming to blows with one
• 2:20:03
  Speaker 3: of your teammates. Yeah, I heard you said it was
• 2:20:06
  Speaker 3: one of the closest times. Uh yeah, I mean I
• 2:20:08
  Speaker 3: ever came up fighting a teammate.
• 2:20:09
  Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I've got I've gotten hit by teammates before,
• 2:20:12
  Speaker 7: Like you've gotten punched by teammate, Yeah, he did.
• 2:20:15
  Speaker 2: Turculu used to hit me.
• 2:20:16
  Speaker 4: He hit me a couple of times, a couple of
• 2:20:19
  Speaker 4: times when I was like a rookie, and then once
• 2:20:21
  Speaker 4: again my like my third year, he just like to
• 2:20:22
  Speaker 4: fuck with me.
• 2:20:23
  Speaker 2: But I like when he got into.
• 2:20:26
  Speaker 4: A little strap with Carlos Arroyo, me and Brian Cook
• 2:20:28
  Speaker 4: got into it one time. Like I never like came
• 2:20:31
  Speaker 4: to blows with a guy in practice, but like I
• 2:20:33
  Speaker 4: was trying to fight find a place in the leade
• 2:20:35
  Speaker 4: like in the league.
• 2:20:37
  Speaker 2: So I was just scrappy in practice.
• 2:20:39
  Speaker 4: And if you're a vet, like in his shoot around,
• 2:20:42
  Speaker 4: I that's one of the times turkleu elbowed me in
• 2:20:44
  Speaker 4: the in the eye and gave me a black eye.
• 2:20:47
  Speaker 4: He's just like I was playing too hard a post
• 2:20:50
  Speaker 4: defense when we were we weren't walking through plays. We
• 2:20:52
  Speaker 4: were running through plays, and he just turns and he
• 2:20:54
  Speaker 4: like noticed it was me and he caught me in
• 2:20:56
  Speaker 4: the elbow. Got with an elbow. The Justin Anderson story basically,
• 2:21:01
  Speaker 4: everybody in the NBA plays Blu Ray.
• 2:21:03
  Speaker 2: Do you guys play bou Ray? In the Okay? Everybody
• 2:21:05
  Speaker 2: plays Blue Ray.
• 2:21:06
  Speaker 4: So there's a there's a player's cabin on we used
• 2:21:08
  Speaker 4: Delta charter flights. In the player's cabin there's always a
• 2:21:11
  Speaker 4: table and then there's a bunch of other seats. So
• 2:21:14
  Speaker 4: the table is four card games and so playing bou Ray.
• 2:21:18
  Speaker 4: And there had been some tension building between Justin Anderson
• 2:21:22
  Speaker 4: and another teammate of mine. They were going back and forth.
• 2:21:25
  Speaker 4: They sat next to each other, so their actions directly
• 2:21:29
  Speaker 4: affected the other player's actions, right, whether or not the
• 2:21:32
  Speaker 4: guy stayed in the game, whether or not a guy
• 2:21:34
  Speaker 4: went for a boo or didn't go for boot like,
• 2:21:36
  Speaker 4: it all affected each other. So they were kind of
• 2:21:40
  Speaker 4: mouthing off, and Justin wanted a pretty big hand to
• 2:21:43
  Speaker 4: not count because he felt like there was a discrepancy
• 2:21:47
  Speaker 4: in how that particular hand had been played.
• 2:21:50
  Speaker 2: And we had been drinking as well.
• 2:21:54
  Speaker 4: There had been some wine on the flight, and so
• 2:21:58
  Speaker 4: there was Amir Johnson, Me, Jared Bayliss, Justin Anderson diagonal
• 2:22:03
  Speaker 4: to me, and then there wasn't a fifth seat, so
• 2:22:05
  Speaker 4: Joel would sit on the arm rest in the aisle.
• 2:22:08
  Speaker 2: Joel and Vieu was sit on the arm rest in
• 2:22:09
  Speaker 2: the aisle, and UH.
• 2:22:13
  Speaker 4: Basically got to the point where their bullshit was sabotaging
• 2:22:17
  Speaker 4: the general flow and enjoyment of the car.
• 2:22:19
  Speaker 2: It was ruining the night. It was ruining the night.
• 2:22:22
  Speaker 2: Thank you.
• 2:22:23
  Speaker 4: So I got a little vocal and then he got
• 2:22:25
  Speaker 4: vocal back with me, and then I said, you're a
• 2:22:28
  Speaker 4: little bitch, And he said, what did you say? And
• 2:22:31
  Speaker 4: I said, you're a little bit. I doubled down, and
• 2:22:34
  Speaker 4: I'm not proud of this. Like I just said, I
• 2:22:36
  Speaker 4: said you're a bitch, and he said, what did you say?
• 2:22:38
  Speaker 4: I said, I said, you heard me. I said you're
• 2:22:39
  Speaker 4: a bitch. And then he like stood up on the
• 2:22:42
  Speaker 4: table and like, you know, almost swung on me. Joel
• 2:22:47
  Speaker 4: luckily like grabbed him, and then all these flight attendants
• 2:22:50
  Speaker 4: that were on the plane like came. I don't know
• 2:22:52
  Speaker 4: why they broke up this stuffle, but they broke it up.
• 2:22:56
  Speaker 4: Had he swung on me, like I'm sitting down, he's
• 2:22:58
  Speaker 4: standing up on a table six two thirty, But I
• 2:23:01
  Speaker 4: want to know, I will run by the ankles, dude,
• 2:23:03
  Speaker 4: give him a task. I would have lost. Dude, those
• 2:23:06
  Speaker 4: the tables are like here, like there's no leverage. I
• 2:23:09
  Speaker 4: was stuck. I was stuck. I would have lost.
• 2:23:12
  Speaker 2: You're a little bitch, dude.
• 2:23:14
  Speaker 1: You gotta think if you're really gonna fight somebody, well
• 2:23:17
  Speaker 1: he's taking the time to get up on that table.
• 2:23:18
  Speaker 2: You gotta make a move. Yeah, you know if you're
• 2:23:20
  Speaker 2: gonna win that fight.
• 2:23:21
  Speaker 4: The flight attendants they obviously fly with all the other teams.
• 2:23:24
  Speaker 4: The word got around that that had happened, so I
• 2:23:27
  Speaker 4: had a bunch of text from buddies around the league
• 2:23:29
  Speaker 4: that I heard you guys got into a fight, you
• 2:23:31
  Speaker 4: know whatever.
• 2:23:32
  Speaker 3: I was like, no, there's nothing. It was nothing like
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 3: what happened after you guys.
• 2:23:34
  Speaker 2: Cool. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. I would have to ask him.
• 2:23:40
  Speaker 2: Jay's my guy. We appreciate you.
• 2:23:44
  Speaker 3: Going on, man, Thanks been unreal to your flight.
• 2:23:48
  Speaker 2: Hey Jack, is he doing the green screen? All right? Cool?
• 2:23:53
  Speaker 2: Did I appreciate it?
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 5: Man?
• 2:23:54
  Speaker 2: Anything else? Anybody got anything? You trying to hit that
• 2:23:58
  Speaker 2: pig one on one pig? Uh No, I don't think so.
• 2:24:04
  Speaker 3: I don't think so.
• 2:24:05
  Speaker 2: He's scared.
• 2:24:06
  Speaker 3: Is anybody better than you at the collegiate level of
• 2:24:08
  Speaker 3: all time shooter?
• 2:24:10
  Speaker 2: Steph? Really?
• 2:24:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's Steph would have I mean, there's other guys
• 2:24:15
  Speaker 4: that have surpassed like the three point thing, but Steph
• 2:24:18
  Speaker 4: would have shattered it had he played one more year,
• 2:24:20
  Speaker 4: he would have shattered it.
• 2:24:24
  Speaker 2: I think I was. I don't know who I was
• 2:24:27
  Speaker 2: having this conversation with. It was somebody the.
• 2:24:28
  Speaker 7: Other day, like I think why, I think why?
• 2:24:33
  Speaker 4: It's like, oh, oh it is omar omar from my
• 2:24:35
  Speaker 4: house Highlights. Omar Omaraja is now his sports center. We
• 2:24:39
  Speaker 4: were talking about this two days ago, and I was
• 2:24:42
  Speaker 4: telling him, it's like part of the reason, like the
• 2:24:46
  Speaker 4: Duke version of me is, you know, there's a legacy
• 2:24:50
  Speaker 4: to that. I think a little bit, even though I
• 2:24:51
  Speaker 4: didn't win a championship, and oh, there definitely is. Yeah,
• 2:24:54
  Speaker 4: there's a there's a little bit of like if you
• 2:24:55
  Speaker 4: were growing up in that area you watch college basketball.
• 2:24:57
  Speaker 4: But I think the reason is number one, because I
• 2:24:59
  Speaker 4: played for Duke, and like people hated Duke and there's
• 2:25:01
  Speaker 4: divisiveness there. The second reason, though, is like my draft
• 2:25:05
  Speaker 4: class was the last draft class before the one and
• 2:25:08
  Speaker 4: done era. So I feel like my time in college
• 2:25:10
  Speaker 4: basketball was like the time in college basketball.
• 2:25:12
  Speaker 2: That we all knew and we all grew up knowing.
• 2:25:15
  Speaker 4: Now with the one and done, it's just different, Like
• 2:25:18
  Speaker 4: you don't have that attachment. Yeah, you're in and out.
• 2:25:21
  Speaker 4: Most people don't even pay attention to March Madness anyways.
• 2:25:24
  Speaker 7: So now it's like back then, it was like you
• 2:25:26
  Speaker 7: and Adam Morrison, yes, yeah, and you know, and then
• 2:25:29
  Speaker 7: you and c was awesome.
• 2:25:30
  Speaker 4: When I was there, they want to know five, you know,
• 2:25:32
  Speaker 4: we had some great games with them, so and they
• 2:25:35
  Speaker 4: were all upper class. When like all those guys left it,
• 2:25:36
  Speaker 4: they were all my high school class, and they all
• 2:25:38
  Speaker 4: left after their junior year. I decided to stay one
• 2:25:41
  Speaker 4: more year. So I just think it was like part
• 2:25:43
  Speaker 4: of part of it was like just the era we
• 2:25:45
  Speaker 4: were in. It wasn't necessarily that like I did anything
• 2:25:48
  Speaker 4: that was that much special relative to other great college
• 2:25:51
  Speaker 4: basketball players.
• 2:25:52
  Speaker 2: I mean, you're pretty good, so I was. I mean
• 2:25:54
  Speaker 2: I was, you know, you were decent leventh overall pack.
• 2:25:57
  Speaker 2: You're pretty solid.
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 3: That was.
• 2:25:58
  Speaker 2: That was good them, the Robbet