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The Late Debate | 8 October · The Late Debate

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  Speaker 1: Welcome to the Late Debate. Thank you, Paul.
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  Speaker 2: A Maidie might actually has an ee type jag that
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  Speaker 2: was allegedly once owned by Dolly Parks.
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  Speaker 3: So there you go. My friend Sarah Harris met Dolly Partner.
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  Speaker 1: There you go.
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  Speaker 2: I think I think she's I think she's beaten me there.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to the Late Debate. I'm Kayler Bond. As you
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  Speaker 2: now know if you haven't watched before with Frey Leitch
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  Speaker 2: and Joe Hildebrand. Here's what's coming up tonight. A politician's
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  Speaker 2: in trouble for saying he went to a town and
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  Speaker 2: didn't see any white people. Is it racist or is
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  Speaker 2: it simply a statement of fact that's coming up in
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  Speaker 2: the papers. A man who fought off a shark with
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  Speaker 2: his bare hands off Kangaroo Island and needed fifty stitches
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  Speaker 2: in his legs all the details. And a bishop is
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  Speaker 2: in trouble for allegedly having seventeen mistresses. God knows, God
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  Speaker 2: knows how he managed to keep them all happy, or
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  Speaker 2: at least he was until his cleaning lady brought the
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  Speaker 2: whole thing undone. It's basically a real life soap opera.
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  Speaker 2: All the crazy details later, but first, Paul, was talking
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  Speaker 2: about Bathurst before. The Queensland Police have a new policy
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  Speaker 2: when it comes to their vehicles there far.
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  Speaker 1: Or actually it's more about the.
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  Speaker 2: Lack of power in this case because earlier in the
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  Speaker 2: year they purchased four hundred new Toyota Rav fours Hybrid Ravforce.
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  Speaker 2: Two hundred of them are already on the road.
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  Speaker 1: But they've realized.
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  Speaker 2: There's a small problem with these police cars. And you
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  Speaker 2: know the sort of things that happen in police cars, right,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, sometimes police have to drive fast to get
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  Speaker 2: to a crime scene. Sometimes they're involved in police chases.
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  Speaker 2: Sometimes they have to do some pretty tricky and fast maneuvers.
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  Speaker 2: So you'd think you'd be given a car that had
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  Speaker 2: a bit of grunt and had a bit of power
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  Speaker 2: and was able to get through these difficult asks. Well,
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  Speaker 2: not so with the Rav four.
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  Speaker 1: Take a look.
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  Speaker 4: In a recent driver train session, the Toyota Rav four
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  Speaker 4: Hybrid was put through a simulated emergency response.
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  Speaker 3: To the order to allow your ear and nails. The vehicle
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  Speaker 3: disabled in the traction control system.
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  Speaker 4: On a high speed turnumer direction is labeled.
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  Speaker 3: The rear larning.
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  Speaker 4: Now, thousands of officers have been warned the battery may
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  Speaker 4: overheat under extreme conditions of herdbreaking combined with high acceleration.
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  Speaker 4: If warning lights appear, officers should cease urgent duty driving
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  Speaker 4: and pull over to allow the system to cool and
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  Speaker 4: be aware that in extreme circumstances, the vehicle may enter
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  Speaker 4: limp mode.
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  Speaker 3: Now, come on, that could happen to anybody.
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  Speaker 1: It depends how many glasses of reason.
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  Speaker 5: Very very common. There's no need for that vehicle to
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  Speaker 5: be embarrassed.
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  Speaker 2: There's medication therapy, that's right, because.
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  Speaker 5: In limp mode, the latform has probably already got some
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  Speaker 5: emails that tell it.
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  Speaker 1: Let's let's hope that.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, for goodness sake, how do you go out
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  Speaker 2: and buy four hundred cars that, if you're involved in
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  Speaker 2: a police chase, will mean you have to pull over
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  Speaker 2: and let the thing cool down because you're driving too hard.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, you would have thought that they would have
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  Speaker 2: worked this stuff out before they bought four hundred hybrid
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  Speaker 2: rev fours, not after they've bought them and put them
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  Speaker 2: through their paces and gone, oh, hang on a minute,
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  Speaker 2: I can't do a police chase in this thing.
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  Speaker 6: Well, that does seem to be the critical question here.
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  Speaker 6: But even if you hadn't gone through all the stringent testing,
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  Speaker 6: which I would advise any police departments who are looking
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  Speaker 6: to acquire vehicles do.
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  Speaker 7: That before you buy them.
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  Speaker 6: But even if they hadn't done that, just basic mechanics
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  Speaker 6: these hybrid cars. They have a lot of electrical components
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  Speaker 6: which can heat up very quickly under extreme conditions, and
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  Speaker 6: police are often involved in high speed chases.
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  Speaker 7: That's part of their jobs, so it.
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  Speaker 6: Doesn't really inspire you with confidence. If you're a Queensland
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  Speaker 6: a criminal, you'd be looking at this going great. I
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  Speaker 6: just have to drive really for us and swerve round
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  Speaker 6: some corners and the police will be forced to pull
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  Speaker 6: over beside me.
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  Speaker 7: But in Queensland Police's defense.
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  Speaker 6: They have been on the road since twenty twenty and
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  Speaker 6: they haven't had any issues thus far, so I don't know.
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  Speaker 7: It could all be a bit overblown.
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  Speaker 5: I think this is what happens when you call your
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  Speaker 5: cops a police service instead of a police.
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  Speaker 3: Force, makes you go soft.
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  Speaker 5: Next thing, you know, you're buying hybrid vehicles, so then
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  Speaker 5: they'll have the bike police out instead to go even
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  Speaker 5: lower emissions.
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  Speaker 3: It's just staggering, though, isn't it.
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  Speaker 5: Like you would think that someone would just sort of
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  Speaker 5: check this and the fact that now that it's come out,
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  Speaker 5: like every criminal in Queensland now knows to commit crime
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  Speaker 5: on hot days.
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  Speaker 1: That's it here.
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  Speaker 5: It's like, oh, it's thirty five degrees in Brisbane, let's
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  Speaker 5: go and rob a bank.
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  Speaker 2: Like there is a letter two police officers saying you
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  Speaker 2: may have to pull over because the thing's overheating.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it just extraordiny, because I mean across you.
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  Speaker 2: Know, I know in New South Wales they the police
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  Speaker 2: have beamers. Once upon a time it was all, you know,
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  Speaker 2: either Ford Falcons or hold in commedy. I remember proper,
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  Speaker 2: proper Australian cars with either the six or V eight
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  Speaker 2: engines in them, that had a bit of get up
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  Speaker 2: and go about them. I mean, this is what happens.
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  Speaker 2: Of course, when you buy JAP crap the type. What
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  Speaker 2: do you expect?
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  Speaker 5: The New South Wales police cars go very very fast.
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  Speaker 3: A more than capable.
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  Speaker 1: How would you know that?
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  Speaker 3: I'm just observation. I'm a journalist, That's what I'm doing.
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  Speaker 6: Very interesting, Joe, Well, something else that is interesting and
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  Speaker 6: infuriating is a footy club over in Western Australia. The
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  Speaker 6: Osborne Park Football Club has been shut down by the
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  Speaker 6: local council because someone rocked up to end of year
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  Speaker 6: celebrations dressed up as Stephen Hawking. Yes, that is why
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  Speaker 6: they got shut down. Now, Apparently they had an electronic
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  Speaker 6: screen like what Stephen Hawking had on his wheelchair, and
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  Speaker 6: it did display a fake pornographic website, so that but
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  Speaker 6: very out of off color Joe. But still to shut
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  Speaker 6: down an entire football club over a costume worn by
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  Speaker 6: one of the players at end of year celebrations is ridiculous. Now,
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  Speaker 6: the way the council described this, you would have you
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  Speaker 6: wouldn't be mistaken for thinking that they rocked up to
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  Speaker 6: a murder scene. Apparently the council workers were extremely distressed
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  Speaker 6: by the presence of the costume and were left with
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  Speaker 6: no option but to shut the club down. They even
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  Speaker 6: called the police, but guess what, the police didn't detect
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  Speaker 6: any criminality and said go away. Basically, But Caleb, why
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  Speaker 6: does this keep happening time and time again? We see
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  Speaker 6: these local councils come in, one thing happens, and then
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  Speaker 6: they go hysterical, and now they're shutting down entire football clubs.
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  Speaker 1: There's just no sense of humor anymore.
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  Speaker 2: Right, Like he's rocked up dressed as Stephen Hawking, like,
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  Speaker 2: you know, sure it might be in poor taste, especially
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  Speaker 2: the pornographic bit on the on the screen.
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  Speaker 1: Is it really.
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  Speaker 2: Offensive to anyone? Is it actually damaging to anyone? I
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  Speaker 2: don't think it really is. It's the same as you
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  Speaker 2: had in response to Geelong's Mad Monday celebrations recently after
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  Speaker 2: they lost the AFL Grand Final, where Bailey Smith and
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  Speaker 2: Patrick Dangerfield were in trouble because they posed up for
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  Speaker 2: a photo that looked like they're in Brokeback Mountain and
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  Speaker 2: it was said that that was apparently homophobic. I mean,
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  Speaker 2: really is it homophobic? And they didn't even go dressed
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  Speaker 2: up as being from Brokeback Mountain. They're both dressed as
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  Speaker 2: cowboys and they posted this photo and it's.
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  Speaker 5: Like, ah, wellys, if you depict yourself as a gay
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  Speaker 5: protagonist from a film, you must be homophobic.
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  Speaker 1: No.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I guess in the world of cultural appropriation
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  Speaker 2: you can have sexual appropriation as well. There was another
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  Speaker 2: player from Gelongho got in trouble because he dressed up
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  Speaker 2: as the football journalist Caroline Wilson and oh it was
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  Speaker 2: just respectful and sexist, misogynist and whatever.
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  Speaker 1: But in previous years.
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  Speaker 2: He's dressed up as Jered Waitley from Fox Footy, and
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  Speaker 2: he dressed up as Mitch Cleary, the AFL reporter over
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  Speaker 2: at Channel seven. So there is president for this stuff.
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  Speaker 2: But you do one thing wrong and not even something wrong.
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  Speaker 2: It's like stuck an off color joke and the council,
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  Speaker 2: of course it's a council comes round and says you've
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  Speaker 2: got to have your license to be a football club
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  Speaker 2: yanked away. I mean, what does it even have to
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  Speaker 2: do with the whole club. It's one bloke who locked
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  Speaker 2: up to a party in a blue costume and the
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  Speaker 2: whole club's done for.
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  Speaker 1: It's just ridiculous.
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  Speaker 5: Your football ethnic community has just been revoked.
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  Speaker 3: That's ill lethal weapons.
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  Speaker 5: But do you know what's even more sinister about this,
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  Speaker 5: right is that this is the weird thing.
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  Speaker 3: I can't quite get my head around.
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  Speaker 5: But my reading of the report is that no one
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  Speaker 5: at the party was actually offended.
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  Speaker 3: Now I took offense.
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  Speaker 5: A council property inspector, a council officer who was doing
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  Speaker 5: a property inspection of the Osborne Park Football Club clubrooms,
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  Speaker 5: entered the property saw just the outfit after it had
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  Speaker 5: already been worn for silly Sunday and was so alarmed
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  Speaker 5: by the costume and all the pornographic images which they
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  Speaker 5: decided to call the police.
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  Speaker 1: They call the six Crimes.
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  Speaker 3: I just don't understand who does that look?
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  Speaker 2: People who don't have a sense of humor clearly speaking
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  Speaker 2: of which is a pub over in England and you know,
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  Speaker 2: again it's just the we're just doing away with anything
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  Speaker 2: that is a little bit of fun and a little bit
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  Speaker 2: unpc anymore pub over in England that was called the
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  Speaker 2: Silent Woman and it's not called the Silent Woman anymore,
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  Speaker 2: and that the pub was going through renovations so in
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  Speaker 2: the process they changed its name to The Angel, and
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  Speaker 2: the regular drinkers there have said, you know, really, what
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  Speaker 2: was the problem. We've been coming to the Silent Woman
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  Speaker 2: for decades and now the pub can't be called the
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  Speaker 2: Silent Woman anymore because you know, I suppose that the
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  Speaker 2: name is dated and it has to be changed because
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  Speaker 2: it's sexist. But again, does it really offend anyone, And
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  Speaker 2: it particularly actually offends me that they've changed the name,
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  Speaker 2: because particularly these pubs in the UK have a lot
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  Speaker 2: of history and heritage behind them, and when you start
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  Speaker 2: changing the names of those places into something completely different.
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  Speaker 1: It is a raising history totally.
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  Speaker 6: And there was another sign on the pub that read,
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  Speaker 6: since the woman is quiet, let no man breed a riot,
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  Speaker 6: And this was in reference to a local legend where
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  Speaker 6: a talkative landlord land lady had her tongue cut out
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  Speaker 6: by smugglers for spilling their secrets.
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  Speaker 7: And they removed that sign as well, because.
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  Speaker 5: It's someone's sung out anymore without a PC brigade getting.
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  Speaker 6: All up, and it's clearly not meant to be taken seriously.
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  Speaker 6: It's lighthearted. It's a local legend, and by taking away
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  Speaker 6: that sign, you're raising that local history and you're just
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  Speaker 6: raising the sense of uniqueness and community about the place.
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  Speaker 7: People just need to toughen up.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 5: And in fact that it was named the Silent Woman
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  Speaker 5: in a reference to Thomas Hardy referring to it as
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  Speaker 5: the Quiet Lady when he gave it a cameo in
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  Speaker 5: his eighteen seventy eight novel The Return of the Native,
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  Speaker 5: which has of course now been retitled The Return of
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  Speaker 5: the First Nations.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, this is crazy. It's crazy.
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  Speaker 5: Finally though in the UK there is some common sense finally,
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  Speaker 5: despite all this crazy political correctness that you might have
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  Speaker 5: thinking has been overrunning the nation. UK authorities are getting
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  Speaker 5: back to their core business bread and butter issues, and
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  Speaker 5: thanks to a motion from a Greens counselor, they have
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  Speaker 5: called on the Home Secretary of the UK to issue
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  Speaker 5: a pardon for all those executed under the Witchcraft Act
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  Speaker 5: of sixteen. Yes, justice just cannot come too quickly for
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  Speaker 5: the good people of Mate.
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  Speaker 3: So have a look at this. They have made this
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  Speaker 3: Facebook post.
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  Speaker 5: The Greens councilor of course said we're calling on the
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  Speaker 5: Home Secretary to pardon hundreds of women executed under the
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  Speaker 5: Witchcraft Act, including seven local women hanged at Penandon Heath
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  Speaker 5: in sixteen fifty two. Their persecution was rooted in misogyny,
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  Speaker 5: not magic. These women were poor, single, widowed or healers,
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  Speaker 5: not criminals. They weren't witches. They were women who had
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  Speaker 5: no one to speak for them. So finally that you know,
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  Speaker 5: the Greens, as they always do, are standing up for
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  Speaker 5: the truly oppressed witches who have been dead for four centuries.
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  Speaker 3: What an amazing policy position this is.
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  Speaker 5: I swear to God, you want to talk about Penandon Heath,
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  Speaker 5: that is a hell worth dying on you.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, I mean it.
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  Speaker 2: I don't have a particular issue with because it's like, well,
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  Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't really affect anyone, so whatever.
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  Speaker 3: Could you go for your life?
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  Speaker 2: But I also think, like, who's sitting around thinking, oh, geez,
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  Speaker 2: all those witches all these years ago, this is core
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  Speaker 2: council business that we need to be writing off to
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  Speaker 2: the to the Home Affairs Secretary for Like, really.
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  Speaker 6: I just don't understand how this is a priority for them.
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  Speaker 6: There were only around five hundred people ever executed. There
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  Speaker 6: were five hundred people executed under witchcraft sentencing. That's nothing
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  Speaker 6: in the scheme of people who die from all sorts
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  Speaker 6: of things, including violent crime, I mean, so many things.
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  Speaker 6: So I just don't understand why this is the thing
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  Speaker 6: that's getting attention. The other factor is, I mean witchcraft
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  Speaker 6: is still very much practiced today in many parts of Africa.
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  Speaker 6: There are still child sacrifices in the name of witchcraft.
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  Speaker 6: Where is the Greens counselor's condemnation of that. Where are
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  Speaker 6: they standing up for vulnerable people who are v victims
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  Speaker 6: of archaic witchcraft practices today? It's nice to condemn with
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  Speaker 6: our twenty twenty vision of the present and project back
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  Speaker 6: onto five hundred years ago and say, oh, how dare
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  Speaker 6: you do that? But there are real injustices still occurring
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  Speaker 6: and witchcraft still occurring today, maybe focus on condemning that first.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's because they're caught up in the sort
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  Speaker 5: of modern Wicker movement, which is very very cool among hippie,
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  Speaker 5: trippy lefty types now, and people say, oh, it's actually
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  Speaker 5: really empowering for women, and it's pagan and blah blah
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  Speaker 5: blah blah blah, and of course it's anti Christian, which
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  Speaker 5: makes them feel very happy.
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  Speaker 3: Indeed.
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  Speaker 5: But I'm not sure if the Greens are actually right
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  Speaker 5: about witchcraft trials being misogynistic from what I can understand
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  Speaker 5: from listening to two podcasts. But I think the majority
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  Speaker 5: of women in the UK, so the majority of people
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  Speaker 5: accused of witchcraft in the UK were women, but the
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: majority of accusers were also women. There you go, So
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  Speaker 5: women were more likely to accuse other women of being
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  Speaker 5: witches than men were. Obviously the men had to then
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  Speaker 5: come and sort it out so they could just have
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  Speaker 5: one rational mind.
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  Speaker 1: You know, you're not telling me. You're not telling me,
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  Speaker 1: Joe that the Greens get.
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  Speaker 5: And in other areas where witchcraft was really like, I'm
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  Speaker 5: not sure if it was Germany or Scandinavia, maybe one
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  Speaker 5: of those teutonicy sort of places men were more likely
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  Speaker 5: to be accused biger and prosecuted for witchcraft as well.
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  Speaker 7: But again, you can't sit here in twenty twenty five
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  Speaker 7: and it.
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  Speaker 6: Cast out moral compass onto people of sixteen fifty two.
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  Speaker 7: I mean, that just is not how it works.
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  Speaker 6: And witchcraft is still very much practiced today, So who
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  Speaker 6: are we to say it wasn't practiced back then if
• 15:53
  Speaker 6: it's still being practiced today. But also in the UK,
• 15:57
  Speaker 6: in Robert Jenrick, the Shadow Chancellor over for the Tories,
• 16:03
  Speaker 6: is under fire for saying he went to Birmingham and
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  Speaker 6: he didn't see any other white faces. This is the
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  Speaker 6: leaked audio that's gotten him into so much trouble.
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  Speaker 8: The other thing that I noticed there was that it
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  Speaker 8: was one of the worst integrated places that I've.
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  Speaker 5: Ever been to.
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  Speaker 3: In fact, in the hour and a half that.
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  Speaker 2: I was filming with the News there, I didn't see
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  Speaker 2: another white face. And that's not the kind of country
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  Speaker 2: I want to live in.
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  Speaker 5: I want to live in a country where people are
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  Speaker 5: properly integrated.
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  Speaker 6: Now, pointing out that fact that there is a lack
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  Speaker 6: of integration is a crime is a heresy in the
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  Speaker 6: left wing media, and so the journalists have been pushing
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  Speaker 6: him to apologize, but he's simply refused.
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  Speaker 8: You said that you didn't see another white face for
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  Speaker 8: the ninety minutes you were there.
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  Speaker 3: Why was that an issue?
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  Speaker 8: Look, I don't resileve from those comments. I said, this
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  Speaker 8: is not about the color of someone's.
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  Speaker 1: Skin the faith.
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  Speaker 8: No, I specifically said it wasn't actually, so don't misquote
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  Speaker 8: me if you don't mind. What I said was I
• 17:07
  Speaker 8: want to live in a country which is well integrated,
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  Speaker 8: where we're living side by side in harmonious communities with
• 17:14
  Speaker 8: a strong sense of local and national togetherness. That is
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  Speaker 8: what matters.
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  Speaker 7: Pretty sensible.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 6: Then the mob turned to Kenny baden Ark, the leader
• 17:24
  Speaker 6: of the Tories, and asked her to condemn his comments.
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  Speaker 9: It's a factual statement. If he said he didn't see
• 17:31
  Speaker 9: another white face, he might have been making an observation.
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  Speaker 9: There's nothing wrong with making observations. But what he and
• 17:37
  Speaker 9: I both agree with is that there are not enough
• 17:39
  Speaker 9: people integrating. There are many people who are creating separate communities.
• 17:43
  Speaker 9: I'm very worried. Do you agree with what is happening
• 17:45
  Speaker 9: in Birmingham.
• 17:46
  Speaker 7: I'm very worried.
• 17:47
  Speaker 9: Well, I wasn't there, so I can't see how many
• 17:49
  Speaker 9: faces he saw. But the point is that there are
• 17:51
  Speaker 9: many people in our country who are not integrating.
• 17:55
  Speaker 7: You just have to go to the UK.
• 17:57
  Speaker 6: You just have to go to some parts of Australia
• 18:00
  Speaker 6: and walk around to realize that this is a serious problem.
• 18:04
  Speaker 6: A multi ethnic country can only survive if we're united
• 18:09
  Speaker 6: in our culture, in our values, in our way of life.
• 18:12
  Speaker 6: You have to have integration into a broader community, otherwise
• 18:16
  Speaker 6: ethnic enclaves will emerge and that undermines the social fabric
• 18:21
  Speaker 6: of the nation, which is bad for the native population
• 18:24
  Speaker 6: and also bad for migrants themselves. You come to Western
• 18:27
  Speaker 6: countries to be in Western countries, not to have what
• 18:31
  Speaker 6: you had back home. And so I think the hysteria
• 18:34
  Speaker 6: that we've seen from the left around these comments is
• 18:37
  Speaker 6: so interesting. If you just point out this fact, why
• 18:40
  Speaker 6: do they go ballistic?
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: Well, the place you went to, specifically in Birmingham, that
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: the neighborhood was Handsworth, and those comments that we played
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: before he made it a private function, a dinner for
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: Conservative Party members.
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: Now I've tried to wade through.
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: The censer stata out of the UK didn't have enough
• 18:57
  Speaker 2: time to break it down to every little bit of suburb.
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: I got the census data for the Handsworth Ward, the
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: Council ward that covers part of Handsworth in Birmingham, and
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: it says that sixty three percent of the population there
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: is Asian, eighteen point three percent is Black, eight point
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: seven percent is white, six and a half percent his
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: other and three point four percent is mixed. So it
• 19:21
  Speaker 2: is entirely feasible that in ninety minutes in Handsworth he
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: did not see another white person, Like only eight point
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: seven percent of the population in this particular pocket of
• 19:31
  Speaker 2: England is white. And if you look at the religious population,
• 19:37
  Speaker 2: forty four point percent of them forty four point four
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: percent of them a Muslim, fifteen point two percent to seek,
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: five point eight percent a Hindu, eighteen point nine percent
• 19:47
  Speaker 2: are Christian, so less than one in five and six
• 19:52
  Speaker 2: point eight percent are no religion. Now, generally in most
• 19:56
  Speaker 2: parts of Western countries these days, it's either Christianity or
• 19:59
  Speaker 2: no religion. Of the top ones, like under seven percent
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: of people in this part of England are atheist or agnostic.
• 20:06
  Speaker 2: Only there's twenty two point six percent of people, so
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: more than one in five say that they do not
• 20:12
  Speaker 2: identify as British.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Wow, so this guy.
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: Has quite probably gone and not seen another white face.
• 20:21
  Speaker 2: And the point he makes, I think is quite legitle.
• 20:25
  Speaker 2: By the way, in Handsworth South it's four percent white people,
• 20:29
  Speaker 2: and there's a report in the Telegraph saying there are
• 20:31
  Speaker 2: some areas in Birmingham where it gets as low as
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: one percent white population. So it is entirely feasible that
• 20:38
  Speaker 2: what he says is completely correct. And the broader point
• 20:41
  Speaker 2: that he's making is not to say that it's you.
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: Know, I hate that I don't see white people more
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: white people.
• 20:48
  Speaker 2: What he's saying is we should have a better distribution
• 20:50
  Speaker 2: of migrants yep, so that we as British people with
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: new people who've come to this country, can allow them
• 20:57
  Speaker 2: to integrate into our country so we cog exist as one.
• 21:00
  Speaker 2: And I think his message is correct.
• 21:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, except that he's kind of stuffed up in the
• 21:06
  Speaker 5: way that he's present. I'm not joining the pylon, and
• 21:08
  Speaker 5: that I know how hysterical the left gets about these things.
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: It's absolutely nauseating. But there's a couple of issues. I'd
• 21:16
  Speaker 5: be interested to know what the average income of Handsworth is,
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: and I reckon it would be right down the bottom.
• 21:20
  Speaker 5: I imagine it would be a very poor area. And
• 21:25
  Speaker 5: so there's that factor. The question he doesn't answer, firstly,
• 21:28
  Speaker 5: if he's worried about people not sharing UK values or
• 21:31
  Speaker 5: British values, how does he know just by looking at them?
• 21:34
  Speaker 5: How does he know just by looking at them that
• 21:35
  Speaker 5: they don't share common values?
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: I mean, you know, well, more than one in five
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: don't identify as British according to Yeah.
• 21:42
  Speaker 5: But he didn't ask them that, and he said no one.
• 21:44
  Speaker 5: So he said there were no white people I saw, right,
• 21:46
  Speaker 5: So you know that's part of the problem. He's making
• 21:49
  Speaker 5: assumptions based on the color of their skin. But the
• 21:52
  Speaker 5: other really big question is whose fault is it. Who
• 21:55
  Speaker 5: is he blaming for there being no white people in Handsworth,
• 21:59
  Speaker 5: because it's presumably the fault of the white people who
• 22:01
  Speaker 5: are choosing not to live there, the white people who
• 22:04
  Speaker 5: have moved out, who used to live there.
• 22:06
  Speaker 1: Well, white flight, he is a real that's.
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: Right, that's right.
• 22:09
  Speaker 2: So are you are you suggesting that all the white
• 22:15
  Speaker 2: people have moved out because people of other races have
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: moved in and they can't be to live next to them?
• 22:19
  Speaker 5: No, because what happens is when you have a depressed area,
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: you have aspirational people who move out and go sob
• 22:25
  Speaker 5: I mean, if you go to Saint John's Wood or
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: one of the fancy suburbs in London, I reckon, you
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: could walk around and not see a non white person
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: for a fair while, right, So what happens is that
• 22:33
  Speaker 5: you have overwhelmingly large majorities of migrant communities in poorer areas,
• 22:38
  Speaker 5: and white people getting ahead aspiration will gradually move out.
• 22:41
  Speaker 3: And that's what happens in the US. That's where you
• 22:43
  Speaker 3: do have.
• 22:44
  Speaker 5: The white flight syndrome, that's what they call it, and
• 22:46
  Speaker 5: doughnut cities where inner urban areas become predominantly black or
• 22:50
  Speaker 5: Hispanic and out of suburban areas become white. So again,
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: who is he blaming for this happening? It's the whites
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: who aren't sticking it around that used to be well.
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: Then it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy because you end
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: up with if you have an area that has a
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: particularly large migrant population, it will then attract more people
• 23:08
  Speaker 2: of that migrant population because there are more people around
• 23:10
  Speaker 2: that they feel they can more readily identify with.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: And then as that grows.
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: Everyone else feels like, well, there's no one around here
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: that I can identify with, so they move out. So
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: it's not necessarily they all go, well, it's you know,
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: it can't beat it be next to a black person
• 23:23
  Speaker 2: or an Asian person. But it becomes a self fulfilling
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: prophecy if you start. If you start, yeah, yeah. But
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: if you start with that problem, it only grows from there.
• 23:33
  Speaker 2: And the point I think he's trying to make is
• 23:35
  Speaker 2: that that is a bad thing. We need to do
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: something to nip this into the bud much earlier.
• 23:38
  Speaker 5: But I think I think the problem that he sort
• 23:41
  Speaker 5: of flipped. He put the cart before the horse. That
• 23:43
  Speaker 5: is the problem. Instead of saying, why aren't we absorbing
• 23:46
  Speaker 5: more migrants into our communities, Why aren't they moving up
• 23:50
  Speaker 5: the economic ladder, Why aren't they moving into more affluent,
• 23:53
  Speaker 5: white dominated suburbs, he made it sound like, look at
• 23:55
  Speaker 5: these all these non white people refusing to integrate.
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: I think that is the problem of what he's said.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: Well, if you want to raise the affluence of the area,
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: Sir Lenny Henry, British comic, has a pretty good idea
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: on how.
• 24:06
  Speaker 3: To do it.
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: He's written a book suggesting that there needs to be
• 24:11
  Speaker 2: significant compensation reparations for slavery to black people who live
• 24:17
  Speaker 2: in Britain.
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: An extract from.
• 24:18
  Speaker 2: The book says, all British people need reparations, All black
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: British people, I should say, need reparations for slavery.
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: And he argues that we personally.
• 24:27
  Speaker 2: Deserve money for the effects of slavery, to the tune
• 24:32
  Speaker 2: of eighteen trillion pounds. Where you find eighteen trillion pounds,
• 24:37
  Speaker 2: I don't quite know, but that is the suggestion in
• 24:40
  Speaker 2: this book, the big payback. Now, of course, slavery has
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: not existed for hundreds of years. There is no one
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: in the UK today who is directly linked in any
• 24:52
  Speaker 2: way to the slave trade.
• 24:54
  Speaker 1: They're so far.
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: Removed from Russia, you know, they're so far removed from
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the slave trade that the British were once involved in.
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: And it turns out that most people, most black people
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: in Britain are not actually descendants of slaves or certainly
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: a slave trade that the British were involved in.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: They're direct African descendants.
• 25:19
  Speaker 2: They've got nothing to do with the slavery that was
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: going on in the Caribbean. So a lot of these
• 25:23
  Speaker 2: people that he is saying deserve compensation and reparations potentially
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: have no history of slavery in their family, but he
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: argues in this book that that's okay, and they deserve
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: reparations anyway, because the existence of racism against black people
• 25:44
  Speaker 2: is caused by the slave trade, or was caused by
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: the slave trade, and so that even black people whose
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: families have not been involved in slavery need compensation because
• 25:55
  Speaker 2: they've been the victims of the racism caused by that slavery.
• 26:00
  Speaker 6: Make any sense, it's just the mental gymnastics that he
• 26:03
  Speaker 6: has to go through to justify this tells you everything
• 26:06
  Speaker 6: you need to know about the strength of the argument.
• 26:09
  Speaker 6: But reparations, I mean, you see this in left wing
• 26:12
  Speaker 6: activists here in Australia as well.
• 26:14
  Speaker 7: They try to push reparations as the next big thing.
• 26:17
  Speaker 7: But it's just so ridiculous. Why should we today be forced.
• 26:22
  Speaker 6: To pay for something that our ancestors may or may
• 26:25
  Speaker 6: not have been involved with hundreds of years ago.
• 26:28
  Speaker 7: And in the case of the UK.
• 26:30
  Speaker 6: And slavery, it's made even more strange by the fact
• 26:33
  Speaker 6: that the UK spent as much trying to end the
• 26:36
  Speaker 6: transatlantic slave trade as they made from it. In terms
• 26:40
  Speaker 6: of profits economically, and no one asks the question, how
• 26:44
  Speaker 6: did those African people end up getting sold into slavery?
• 26:48
  Speaker 7: Hmm?
• 26:48
  Speaker 6: Maybe asked the African kings the petition the British government
• 26:53
  Speaker 6: against ending the slave trade because they were going to
• 26:56
  Speaker 6: lose out on their profits from selling their own people
• 27:00
  Speaker 6: or neighboring tribes into slavery.
• 27:03
  Speaker 7: No one talks about that.
• 27:04
  Speaker 6: And there is this huge myth at the core of
• 27:06
  Speaker 6: this book that colonization is the reason these people are poor.
• 27:11
  Speaker 7: That is not true.
• 27:12
  Speaker 6: Singapore is the perfect example against this was colonized by
• 27:16
  Speaker 6: the British. Now Singapore is richer than Britain. Colonization is
• 27:20
  Speaker 6: not the factor. It's culture, it's choices. It's economic systems
• 27:26
  Speaker 6: today in Africa that stop businesses from developing. And so
• 27:30
  Speaker 6: as long as they continue this line about reparations, no
• 27:33
  Speaker 6: true progress will actually be made because this is counterproductive.
• 27:38
  Speaker 7: And it's never going to happen.
• 27:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, you can't reach back into history and try to
• 27:41
  Speaker 5: fix it, and that's the problem. That's what so many
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: of these culture wars try to do, and it is
• 27:47
  Speaker 5: absolutely insane and will never work. You have to look
• 27:49
  Speaker 5: at the situation as it is now and say right
• 27:51
  Speaker 5: who is disadvantaged. If it is disproportionately black people, then
• 27:55
  Speaker 5: they are going to get the line share of state
• 27:58
  Speaker 5: assistance anyway, and so in a sense it rights itself.
• 28:02
  Speaker 3: But it has to be who is disadvantaged. Now. Lenny
• 28:04
  Speaker 3: Henry is.
• 28:05
  Speaker 5: A multimillionaire global superstar, and so it's pretty clear he
• 28:10
  Speaker 5: doesn't need reparations, and whatever he would be entitled to
• 28:13
  Speaker 5: under his own proposal would be better spent on someone
• 28:16
  Speaker 5: who is actually suffering from the economic tailing effects of
• 28:20
  Speaker 5: slavery or whatever you want to call it. I have
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: to say, though, as a descendant of England's very first colony,
• 28:28
  Speaker 5: the Island of Ireland, I demand reparations from the British
• 28:33
  Speaker 5: for their appalling actions during the potato famine, during which
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: my people fled to Australia. I think anyway, we went
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: great a bookkeeping, but you know, we probably came out
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: about then in the mid nineteenth century. And also Irish
• 28:46
  Speaker 5: were the original victims of slave trading in the Middle
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: Aged Dublin was a slave trading town, a slave trading
• 28:54
  Speaker 5: post run by the Vikings who were enslaving all the
• 28:58
  Speaker 5: bloody Irish. Well, we couldn't do anything about it because
• 29:01
  Speaker 5: we took drunk.
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: All the time. That's right.
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: And you know it's white people, so it doesn't matter.
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: Didn't you know that?
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: And then and then of course you had the romance,
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: so just cheerfully.
• 29:08
  Speaker 3: They were very in line.
• 29:10
  Speaker 5: Actually, they would enslave anybody black or white or Asian,
• 29:14
  Speaker 5: it didn't matter.
• 29:14
  Speaker 3: They just enslave you all. So you know, it depends
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: how far back you want to go.
• 29:19
  Speaker 6: Yeah, and if we're giving out reparations based on racism today,
• 29:23
  Speaker 6: then I think a lot of Jewish people have a
• 29:25
  Speaker 6: case for reparations against the radical left.
• 29:27
  Speaker 7: So there you go. Why don't you start by fixing
• 29:30
  Speaker 7: the racism that's going on here and now in our
• 29:32
  Speaker 7: own country.
• 29:33
  Speaker 6: But speaking of anti Semitism, the BBC has been forced
• 29:37
  Speaker 6: to apologize after it sent an email to all of
• 29:41
  Speaker 6: its news staff referring to October seven not as a massacre,
• 29:47
  Speaker 6: not as a barbaric invasion by Hamas, but simply as escalations.
• 29:54
  Speaker 7: And in this email.
• 29:56
  Speaker 6: They also attached a photo not of the hostages, not
• 30:00
  Speaker 6: of the kibbuts that were destroyed by terrorists, but of
• 30:04
  Speaker 6: Palestinians wading through rubble. So on the anniversary the two
• 30:10
  Speaker 6: year anniversary of October seven, the BBC, in an internal
• 30:14
  Speaker 6: staff email, referred to them simply as escalations and only
• 30:19
  Speaker 6: used photos of Palestinians. That does simply display the institutional
• 30:26
  Speaker 6: bias that is at the core of the BBC and
• 30:29
  Speaker 6: that has influenced their reporting for the last two years.
• 30:32
  Speaker 6: On numerous occasions, we've seen one sided, biased anti Israel
• 30:37
  Speaker 6: reporting from the BBC. But I think that is very
• 30:40
  Speaker 6: telling because it's what you say behind closed doors when
• 30:43
  Speaker 6: no one's watching, or so you think that really indicates
• 30:47
  Speaker 6: what you truly think.
• 30:48
  Speaker 2: And see they're a bit tricky with it because the
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: direct sentence that was written in this email is as
• 30:53
  Speaker 2: we reached the two year anniversary of the escalations in
• 30:55
  Speaker 2: the Israel Garza conflict, we ask UK audiences what they
• 30:59
  Speaker 2: want need from US coverage moving forward, Which is technically
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: not wrong because it certainly was an escalation in these
• 31:07
  Speaker 2: a conflict, but it is a wholly inappropriate way to
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: refer to what was the largest slaughter of Jews since
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: the Holocaust.
• 31:16
  Speaker 5: Like, yes, technical, you and I were arguing about the footy,
• 31:20
  Speaker 5: and now I pulled out a gun.
• 31:21
  Speaker 3: And shot exactly. That would be exactly, And I think
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: this is.
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: This is where people just really can't seem to get
• 31:29
  Speaker 5: their heads around this conflict because they are often pretty
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: dense and simplistic and often young. So there, you know,
• 31:35
  Speaker 5: whatever it is hasn't fully formed frontal lobe. But in war,
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: in conflicts, intent matters. Who started it matters, so which
• 31:47
  Speaker 5: is why everyone sort of picking their own starting point.
• 31:49
  Speaker 5: But there was I mean, I was there the you know,
• 31:52
  Speaker 5: just months before these these these attacks changed everything, and
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: it was a peaceful place. I was down on the
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: side and border. Gaza was running itself. It had pretty
• 32:02
  Speaker 5: much autonomy over everything except foreign affairs and defense. But
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: other than that, you know, Humas was running its own thing.
• 32:09
  Speaker 5: And this is why I think the attack surprised Israel
• 32:13
  Speaker 5: so much, because they thought it was fine, Like there
• 32:15
  Speaker 5: was virtually no conflict whatsoever. A few sort of stray
• 32:18
  Speaker 5: rockets that could easily be zapped from the sky. Everyone
• 32:21
  Speaker 5: thought it was cruisy, and then suddenly, out of nowhere
• 32:24
  Speaker 5: you do have the biggest killing of Jews. S it's
• 32:26
  Speaker 5: the Holocaust. That is a incredible thing to actually say.
• 32:31
  Speaker 5: And it's not inadvertent killing. It's not this is a
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: declaration of war. We are going to start shelling your
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: village or your city or your kibbutz in two weeks time,
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: so you better get out of there, which is what
• 32:43
  Speaker 5: the Israelis did in response. This was just out of nowhere,
• 32:46
  Speaker 5: seeking out civilians, seeking out mothers who were feeding their babies,
• 32:51
  Speaker 5: and killing them.
• 32:52
  Speaker 3: And they're not.
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: Saying sorry or not saying terribly sorry. We thought there
• 32:57
  Speaker 5: was a military installation under the baby room, celebrating it,
• 33:01
  Speaker 5: videoing it and then having their people cheer it on.
• 33:04
  Speaker 5: And those things do matter. It is not just who
• 33:07
  Speaker 5: killed more people. That's not what matters in a conflict.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: You know, more Germans died in World War Two than
• 33:13
  Speaker 5: British soldiers died. But does that mean the Nazis were
• 33:16
  Speaker 5: the victims? No, it doesn't. Does that mean that, you know,
• 33:19
  Speaker 5: the Allies did bad things in World War Two and
• 33:22
  Speaker 5: killed civilians too, Does that mean the Nazis were the victims?
• 33:25
  Speaker 3: No, it doesn't.
• 33:26
  Speaker 5: So I think if people can't get their head around
• 33:28
  Speaker 5: a bit of history and just actually understand the difference
• 33:32
  Speaker 5: between a deliberate act of killing, targeting and killing a civilian,
• 33:38
  Speaker 5: and an act of targeting and killing military guerrilla fighters
• 33:43
  Speaker 5: who started the conflict and civilians being caught up in it,
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: you will simply never understand anything in life. You'll never
• 33:49
  Speaker 5: understand morality, you'll never understand war, and you just won't
• 33:52
  Speaker 5: understand humanity itself.
• 33:53
  Speaker 1: It's a good point.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Let's come back home for a moment to down in
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: Victoria again. Another one of these only in Victorious stories.
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: I'm sure Victorian viewers, particularly those in Melbourne will know
• 34:03
  Speaker 2: what I'm talking about when I talk about the Hoddle
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: Street massacre August nineteen eighty seven. Seven people were killed
• 34:10
  Speaker 2: by Julian Night. Nineteen were seriously injured on Hoddle Street
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: in Melbourne and Clifton Hill. And he's been locked up
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: ever since. He got seven life sentences. He's been in
• 34:21
  Speaker 2: a high security prison.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: But because as.
• 34:24
  Speaker 2: We talked about on Monday Night, they're so overrun with
• 34:28
  Speaker 2: prisoners now in Victoria, with these tougher bail laws, that
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: they're running out of space to.
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: Put prisoners in.
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: The Hoddle Street killer has now been moved from high
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: security to medium security so they can free up space
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: for other people who are coming into the system. I mean,
• 34:49
  Speaker 2: nothing is more emblematic of just how bad things are
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: in Victoria. When you are taking one of the worst
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: killers in Australian history and putting him in a medium
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: security prison because you've got to free.
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: Up more room.
• 35:04
  Speaker 7: It is unbelievable.
• 35:06
  Speaker 6: And he has been petitioning for a security downgrade for.
• 35:10
  Speaker 7: Years, so this is a win. This is a win
• 35:13
  Speaker 7: for him. So well done. Justinto Allen.
• 35:16
  Speaker 6: The only people benefiting from your crime ridden state are
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  Speaker 6: mass killers.
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  Speaker 7: Very great, well done.
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  Speaker 6: I mean, this is the state of things in Victoria.
• 35:25
  Speaker 6: It's basically a failed state.
• 35:26
  Speaker 7: I don't know how anyone has any confidence in the
• 35:28
  Speaker 7: justice system anymore. I don't think they do.
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  Speaker 6: I think even judges themselves are starting to go this
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  Speaker 6: is a nightmare.
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  Speaker 7: How does this get solved? Honestly, I don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, they're bonkers. It's just a filed start. It's just broken.
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, there's certainly true.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: And if you want to find out more about what's
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: going on with the crime system in Victoria, on the
• 35:48
  Speaker 2: front of the Australian Tomorrow, magistrates are speaking out about
• 35:52
  Speaker 2: just what they're seeing every day. And also on the
• 35:54
  Speaker 2: front of the Advertiser, the guy who fought off a shark,
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: he tells his story.
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: That's coming up next.
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  Speaker 2: Well, the stories of Victoria's prison and crime problem.
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Roll On will start with the front of Tomorrow's Herald Son.
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  Speaker 6: In the Herald Sun Tomorrow, this is an exclusive go
• 36:21
  Speaker 6: Soft on kid Bail, an official guide for judges and magistrates,
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  Speaker 6: updated in the wake of the Victorian government's crackdown on crime,
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  Speaker 6: still encourages the judiciary to release accused youth criminals on bail.
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  Speaker 6: The Opposition says the manual makes a mockery of Justiner
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  Speaker 6: Allen's claims that the government has introduced the toughest bail
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  Speaker 6: laws in history. And this is one of the key problems.
• 36:45
  Speaker 6: The government can set all the laws, talk the talk,
• 36:48
  Speaker 6: but if you've got a woke magistrates system and a
• 36:51
  Speaker 6: woke legal profession that doesn't actually want you to take
• 36:55
  Speaker 6: crime seriously, what do you do about that?
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  Speaker 3: Well, you can't actually legislate these.
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  Speaker 7: That would require.
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  Speaker 5: This is I just don't understand. Have you seen the
• 37:06
  Speaker 5: movie Jack Reacher, the Tom Cruise movie. It's got a
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: it's got a really nasty, evil like Lithuanian gangster criminal
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: guy in it, and he's he gives someone he's about
• 37:20
  Speaker 5: to kill, a henchman he's about to kill the option
• 37:22
  Speaker 5: of either biting off his own thumb or being shot dead,
• 37:27
  Speaker 5: and the guy says, I just can't do it.
• 37:29
  Speaker 3: I just can't do it, and he.
• 37:30
  Speaker 5: Shoots him and he says, or if he's the bullet,
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: I don't understand. And it's kind of like that with
• 37:35
  Speaker 5: a Victorian government. It's like, what are you doing? Just
• 37:38
  Speaker 5: you can save you All you have to do is
• 37:40
  Speaker 5: make a tough decision, you know, just one tough decision
• 37:43
  Speaker 5: and you can actually stop this problem and actually get right.
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: Of course they don't really, I don't think have that
• 37:48
  Speaker 5: much enthusiasm about stuffing the problem because the Victorian opposition
• 37:51
  Speaker 5: is such a basket case.
• 37:52
  Speaker 6: They're not It isn't minimum sentencing prohibited in Labor Party,
• 37:58
  Speaker 6: the Labor Party platform don't support them sentencing, Oh.
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: You can do it.
• 38:02
  Speaker 5: And I know about the Victorian state lob platform. But
• 38:05
  Speaker 5: New South Wales have no doubt because this is the problem.
• 38:07
  Speaker 6: They're just huge lefties that actually don't take crime seriously.
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  Speaker 3: Well well, I mean not, my boy, Chris.
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  Speaker 2: There was Mike Ran ran very successfully in South Australia
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: and Labor ruled for sixteen years under Ran and weather All.
• 38:22
  Speaker 3: But you know, I'm tough on the causes of crime.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: He was you know him and Kevin Foley and Mick Atkinson, Rackham,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: pack them and Stackham and it worked very well for
• 38:34
  Speaker 2: the Labor Party in ESA and it continues on on
• 38:36
  Speaker 2: the front of the odds to borrow it's his magistrates
• 38:39
  Speaker 2: erupt over.
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: State of crime.
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: Victorian magistrates have declared the stages in the grip of
• 38:44
  Speaker 2: a significant crime wave. You're telling me as they expressed
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: frustration about the rise in retail crime, repeated adjournments at
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: a rampant surge in vehicle thefts in rear public interventions
• 38:55
  Speaker 2: in Victoria's crime crisis. During open court, magistrate's Bread Sonnet
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: and Leon Flaxman have both referenced damning police statistics released
• 39:04
  Speaker 2: two weeks ago during proceedings and criticized delays in the
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: justice system during proceedings in Court three this week, mister
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: Sonnett issued his candid comments about the explosion of crime
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: during his time presiding over cases in the Melbourne Magistrate's Court,
• 39:17
  Speaker 2: starting crime statistics that should an increase in burglaries true,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: this is the quote. Truly, Victoria is in the grips
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: of a significant crime wave. You cannot say anything more.
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: Issues of theft of motor vehicles can no longer be
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: described as prevalent.
• 39:32
  Speaker 1: There rampant.
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: So when you've got the people who are dealing every
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: day with these issues in court are starting to say
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: this is completely out of control. Again, the question is
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: at what point will the government start to take notice?
• 39:47
  Speaker 6: And at what point will Victorians themselves take matters into
• 39:50
  Speaker 6: their own hands and vote for a new government.
• 39:53
  Speaker 7: That's what perplexes me.
• 39:54
  Speaker 5: That's why the opposition you've got to get its back
• 39:56
  Speaker 5: together and put someone from the right in charge. Everyone's
• 40:00
  Speaker 5: going to be happy, No do that part of my
• 40:04
  Speaker 5: cunning plant.
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: And and the other bloke that was that was Sonnet
• 40:07
  Speaker 1: who said that.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: Flaxman said Victoria is suffering very high from retail theft
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: and people have to understand that significant punishment will follow.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: They are starting to crack it. Indeed, well speaking of
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: not getting emails. So also on the front of the
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: US tomorrow, Wells all out war on OPTUS, Communications Minister
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: Anika Wells is accused Optis of misleading authorities after the
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: embattled TELCOA sent emails notifying the Communications Department of its
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: catastrophic September eighteen outage of triple zero services to the
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: wrong address and containing incorrect information. The blunder, revealed during
• 40:43
  Speaker 2: a Senate estimates hearing, came as the chair of the
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: Media Regulator told the same hearing that the watchdog had
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: received contradictory advice from the Telcoat.
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: This just goes from the worst.
• 40:56
  Speaker 3: I don't hate it when that, Like, I just I.
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: Don't understand how this stuff even happened.
• 41:02
  Speaker 6: It's just like total system meltdown. They just had no
• 41:06
  Speaker 6: processes or the processes clearly weren't followed correctly. But this
• 41:10
  Speaker 6: is not how you run a nationally significant business that
• 41:15
  Speaker 6: people depend on for their lives.
• 41:17
  Speaker 5: So it seems just so absolutely Keystone Cops, doesn't it.
• 41:21
  Speaker 5: You just send an email, don't even check to see
• 41:24
  Speaker 5: if they've got it, don't even wait for confirmation, make
• 41:27
  Speaker 5: sure that you know, don't pick up the phone. It
• 41:29
  Speaker 5: makes you think if only there was a phone number
• 41:31
  Speaker 5: that people could call in cases of emergency. Yes, so
• 41:34
  Speaker 5: they'd be guaranteed to get some kind of response to us.
• 41:37
  Speaker 5: You asked to write that down and tell somebody anyway,
• 41:41
  Speaker 5: onto more important matters. The sharks are coming for us.
• 41:44
  Speaker 5: They are stalking our oceans, and soon they will come
• 41:46
  Speaker 5: and hunt for us on land.
• 41:48
  Speaker 3: Don't take my word for it.
• 41:49
  Speaker 5: Take the mighty ties as I punched jaws is the
• 41:53
  Speaker 5: front page headline.
• 41:55
  Speaker 3: Bravesurfer bared his own teeth.
• 41:57
  Speaker 5: At Kangaroo Island shark lead bearry Man, who without doubt to.
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: Be the next Australian of the Year.
• 42:03
  Speaker 5: Fella, I was surfing off Kangaroo Island at one minute
• 42:06
  Speaker 5: and throwing punches, baring his teeth.
• 42:09
  Speaker 3: I love the fact that he growled at the shark.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: That's made all the difference.
• 42:12
  Speaker 3: Even Mick Fatting only punched it out.
• 42:14
  Speaker 5: Lee decided he was going to growl at it too,
• 42:16
  Speaker 5: just to show it, show what he meant business had
• 42:19
  Speaker 5: a shark which had its teeth.
• 42:21
  Speaker 3: Wrapped around his thin Can you actually.
• 42:26
  Speaker 5: Imagine in just what he's got to be the greatest
• 42:30
  Speaker 5: understatement of the twenty first century, Lee said, after receiving
• 42:33
  Speaker 5: fifty stitches in said leg.
• 42:35
  Speaker 3: I wasn't going to give him a pat have I
• 42:39
  Speaker 3: looked at what he says after the incident.
• 42:43
  Speaker 8: I've caught away on padlan back out and.
• 42:48
  Speaker 5: I noticed, Hey, the same right, I've got something chumping
• 42:51
  Speaker 5: on me because I'm on a knee board.
• 42:53
  Speaker 3: Everything's close to me. He's here.
• 42:56
  Speaker 1: Head's here, and I'm just shouting.
• 42:58
  Speaker 5: His loudest I can show my team and punching him
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: when something's jumping on you.
• 43:04
  Speaker 3: That's not right.
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: Can you imagine being on a board and you go, oh,
• 43:08
  Speaker 5: what's that and turning around and having a giant shark's
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: head right there?
• 43:13
  Speaker 7: But so was the head out of the water.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: Like ye, he was on the board and the shark
• 43:18
  Speaker 5: had his around, so he's on the knee board. Surely
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: this is one of the four signs of the apocalypse.
• 43:28
  Speaker 6: Well, another good reason to make sure you maintain your
• 43:30
  Speaker 6: pearly whites, because you never know if you're in a
• 43:33
  Speaker 6: shark attack.
• 43:34
  Speaker 7: You need to be able to bay your teeth.
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: Well, I tell you what, a lot of people have
• 43:37
  Speaker 3: been driven away by my smile.
• 43:39
  Speaker 7: So.
• 43:41
  Speaker 3: I'm pretty sure the shark ud you know, just a little. Okay,
• 43:45
  Speaker 3: Now I'm going to buy you a drink, and that
• 43:47
  Speaker 3: shark's gone.
• 43:47
  Speaker 2: Let's you ever look at the front of the Gold
• 43:49
  Speaker 2: Coast Bullets and tomorrow speaking of places where you might
• 43:52
  Speaker 2: like to go for a serf, so make show that
• 43:53
  Speaker 2: they named a place after a surf as paradise, of course,
• 43:56
  Speaker 2: but it is here against the grain a serial illegal
• 43:59
  Speaker 2: camp has moved his extravagance set up on a Gold
• 44:02
  Speaker 2: Coast beach even closer to the water.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: Did he not see what happened at Kangaroo Island anyway?
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: Despite complaints amid concerns Burley has become a homeless hotspot.
• 44:13
  Speaker 2: The well known camper has previously put a tent on
• 44:15
  Speaker 2: a car, a tent on a picnic shelter, a tent
• 44:18
  Speaker 2: on the edge of a cliff, and this week has
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: set up a gazebo on the sand. On Tuesday, he
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: was spoted dragging his swag, surfboard and e bik onto
• 44:26
  Speaker 2: the beach. Burley mp herman Vorster said the situation was
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: out of control. He's doing it pretty well for a
• 44:35
  Speaker 2: fellow living on the street.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: That I have to say.
• 44:36
  Speaker 2: He's got his e bike, he's got his surfboard and
• 44:39
  Speaker 2: he's got his gazebo.
• 44:40
  Speaker 1: What more could a man on the Gold Coast want?
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: Do not take that surfboard to Kangaroo Island?
• 44:45
  Speaker 6: Advice I've got, Yeah, And with his swag and everything,
• 44:48
  Speaker 6: I mean, that'd be a pretty comfortable life he's got
• 44:51
  Speaker 6: going on there. I wonder he's a cereal capt to
• 44:54
  Speaker 6: move No well, just quickly in the Daily Telegraph tomorrow
• 44:57
  Speaker 6: protest will be a disaster. A plan pro Palestinian march
• 45:03
  Speaker 6: on this Sydney opera house will be a disaster, a
• 45:05
  Speaker 6: top New South Wales police officer has warned, as the
• 45:09
  Speaker 6: state's highest court prepares to rule on whether the controversial
• 45:12
  Speaker 6: rally can go ahead this Sunday. At an urgent all
• 45:15
  Speaker 6: day hearing in the New South Wales Court of Appeal yesterday,
• 45:18
  Speaker 6: Assistant Police Commissioner Peter McKenna voice concerns that weapons, flares
• 45:23
  Speaker 6: and prohibited symbols could be brought to the march and
• 45:26
  Speaker 6: that judgment will be brought down I think at nine
• 45:30
  Speaker 6: thirty am here tomorrow, so no doubt we will have
• 45:33
  Speaker 6: live coverage for you here on Sky. So make sure
• 45:36
  Speaker 6: to tune in because this is going to be a
• 45:39
  Speaker 6: hugely consequential legal decision.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Yes, Indeed, after the break, a Peruvian bishop with seventeen
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: lovers allegedly and a drunk man who crashes into a
• 45:49
  Speaker 2: drive through, what more would you ask.
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: For on a Wednesday night?
• 45:51
  Speaker 7: West your Way.
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: I love this segment. I know you do too. Done
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: the day.
• 46:07
  Speaker 6: And who's today's Intrew Fray, Well, it's none other than
• 46:10
  Speaker 6: Stonemason from the Northern Beaches Matthew Swan, who was driving
• 46:14
  Speaker 6: at five times the legal alcohol limit with a slab
• 46:19
  Speaker 6: of VB on the passenger seat of his Toyota High Lusts.
• 46:23
  Speaker 7: Always done for the night, always a.
• 46:25
  Speaker 6: Great done, when he smashed into the electronic.
• 46:29
  Speaker 7: Menu board and macers and then.
• 46:32
  Speaker 6: Proceeded to try and make his way around the drive through,
• 46:35
  Speaker 6: crashed into another metal pole, and then crashed into the
• 46:39
  Speaker 6: drive through serving counter as well, causing eight thousand dollars
• 46:43
  Speaker 6: worth of damage.
• 46:44
  Speaker 7: But he wasn't done there.
• 46:45
  Speaker 6: He continued driving down the road and ultimately parked.
• 46:49
  Speaker 7: His High Lusts. Good move, Matthew at the local Hungry
• 46:53
  Speaker 7: Jack go.
• 46:56
  Speaker 3: As customer loyalty anymore?
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: Is there the only thing that was missing? KFC?
• 47:01
  Speaker 2: But you know, I mean he was making an effort
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: to sober up. He thought, Oh, I better get some
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: magas on the way through. Oh, for goodness sake, mate,
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: you could have called quits a lot earlier than that,
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: as has been pulling over at that point. Wasn't going
• 47:13
  Speaker 2: to do much for you now and try this one
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: on phasis. He's Approuvian bishop by the name of cerro
• 47:19
  Speaker 2: quespy Lopez he's fifty one years old, and if you
• 47:23
  Speaker 2: know anything about Catholicism, you're not meant to be taking
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: any lovers will He had seventeen of them, allegedly, and
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: the Vatigan is now investigating him for this. And the
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: way this all came undone is that there were two
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: people who brought him undone.
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: One was a.
• 47:38
  Speaker 2: Nun who he was allegedly sleeping with, and she found
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: out that he was seeing a lawyer and she was
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: getting jealous of that, so she sent details about the
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: lawyer to a third woman who he was seeing, and
• 47:53
  Speaker 2: then the lawyer and the third woman started having a fight,
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: which is one of the ways that the church became
• 47:58
  Speaker 2: aware of this. And the other was that he sent
• 48:01
  Speaker 2: messages that he meant for his lovers to his cleaning lady,
• 48:06
  Speaker 2: who then.
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: Alerted the church to it.
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: And the cleaning lady said that she found one of
• 48:12
  Speaker 2: these women's hair in his shower and quote, his sheets
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: had stains.
• 48:16
  Speaker 5: I had to clean that up the thick of the
• 48:20
  Speaker 5: cleaning lady.
• 48:23
  Speaker 1: How did he have seventeen on the go? But that's
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: one is hard enough.
• 48:28
  Speaker 5: That is at least seven or eight too many. I'm
• 48:31
  Speaker 5: not sure the exact canon law on this subject. But
• 48:34
  Speaker 5: you're definitely not meant to get into double figures. Just
• 48:38
  Speaker 5: very quickly, by the way, that all appeared in their.
• 48:40
  Speaker 3: Publication, Hildebrand.
• 48:43
  Speaker 5: And also now we've just got the world's longest flight.
• 48:47
  Speaker 5: You better believe it, Shanghai to Buenos Aires. I had
• 48:50
  Speaker 5: no idea that Shanghai and Buenos Aires had such close
• 48:54
  Speaker 5: chemistry that there was a big commuter route there. But
• 48:56
  Speaker 5: from Shanghai, stopover at Auckland. But you still stay on
• 48:59
  Speaker 5: the plane and then to Buenos Aires twenty nine hours
• 49:03
  Speaker 5: in the flight. Talk about a good time in the
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: Mile High Club.
• 49:07
  Speaker 2: Well, if you're a Peruvian bishop, perhaps so. He may
• 49:10
  Speaker 2: well be getting on the plane so he never has
• 49:12
  Speaker 2: to do.
• 49:12
  Speaker 6: Yeah, he's flying out of Peru and he's leaving the
• 49:16
  Speaker 6: seventeen women.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: Get me the Shanghai as fast as you can. Thanks
• 49:20
  Speaker 2: for watching tonight. I mix the three depend on your show.