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Early trade market scenarios + Ken Rosenthal on Buster Posey's Giants decisions, Mets desperation · Foul Territory

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Speaker 1: Let's get the inside scoop with FT senior insider Ken Rosenthal. Ken,
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Speaker 1: I'd like to dive into your column on Buster Posey
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Speaker 1: and the San Francisco Giants. We spent a lot of
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Speaker 1: time on that trade yesterday. I thought it was fascinating,
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Speaker 1: But let's focus on San Francisco and push this forward.
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Speaker 1: Will Buster Posey be making a number of trades if
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Speaker 1: they continue to go down this path or are many
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Speaker 1: of their contracts difficult to move?
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Speaker 2: That's a good.
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Speaker 3: Question, Scott, and certainly some of their contracts are difficult
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Speaker 3: to move. Dever is a Domis Chapman.
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Speaker 2: But Robbie Ray.
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Speaker 3: Potential free agent. You could move him, and there are
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Speaker 3: some others as well. I don't expect that they would
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Speaker 3: entertain anything for Logan Web, but could they do some
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Speaker 3: things around the edges, Yeah, they could. Harrison Battery's back now,
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Speaker 3: he's a one year guy. So I don't believe the
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Speaker 3: Giants are looking at it that way at all. They
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Speaker 3: are trying to build something and not take something away.
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Speaker 3: The Patrick Balley trade almost stands alone from that. It's
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Speaker 3: a different kind of trade. They wanted to open up
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Speaker 3: playing time for Susak, who's coming off the il and
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Speaker 3: his Zeus Rodriguez, and frankly, they were fed up with
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Speaker 3: Patrick Bailly and his inability to hit and some of
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Speaker 3: the defensive stuff as well. So it wasn't necessarily the
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Speaker 3: defensive metrics, but just the way he handled the pitching staff.
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Speaker 3: It was never copasetic necessarily between him and Posey. So
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Speaker 3: they make the trade, but I don't see that as
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Speaker 3: any sign that they're going to tear down in any way.
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Speaker 3: This was simply a move they made in their mind
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Speaker 3: to get better, and they did get the equivalent of
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Speaker 3: a number one draft pick for Patrick Bally the twenty
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Speaker 3: ninth selection overall, so they like the trade.
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Speaker 4: Ken, Ken, is it too late for the Giants? With
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Speaker 4: the Dodgers and the Padres doing what they're doing, some
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Speaker 4: of the other teams in the NL already starting to separate,
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Speaker 4: the Cubs the Braves, there's basically I mean, you can
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Speaker 4: almost chalk for playoff teams already. The Brewers are coming, right,
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Speaker 4: They're probably another one that's gonna be in there. You
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Speaker 4: figure out the six to one whatever that wildcard might be.
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Speaker 4: But is it too late already for the Giants? I know,
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Speaker 4: we're only what may twelfth. But is it already too late?
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Speaker 4: Have they fallen far up buying Ken Dever is a
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Speaker 4: damas Chapman get hot enough to make up this deficit?
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Speaker 3: Agy, I'm reluctant to say it's too late for any team.
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Speaker 3: With expanded playoffs and the way things work now, You're right,
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Speaker 3: the National League is more difficult and challenging to make
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Speaker 3: the playoffs in then it will be in the American
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Speaker 3: League at least this season. But that said, it is
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Speaker 3: a situation where Defris has not hit. Starting to hit
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Speaker 3: now May has been much better than April, a damas.
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Speaker 3: Maybe he's coming out of it. And last night, when
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Speaker 3: you watch that game, the way they erupted late against
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Speaker 3: the Dodgers bullpen and some of the lesser guys in
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Speaker 3: that bullpen, you can see glimpses of what maybe the
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Speaker 3: Giants envision themselves being. And this is what maybe some
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Speaker 3: of us thought they would be, which was a team
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Speaker 3: that was pretty good offensively, not great, not perfect, but
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Speaker 3: pretty good and challenge more on the pitching side. With
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Speaker 3: Logan web right now on the IL, yes, they're challenged
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Speaker 3: more on the pitching side. They got good work out
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Speaker 3: of McDonald last night, A call up. So I still
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Speaker 3: don't see them being a complete enough team, a consistent
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Speaker 3: enough team to really be in the playoff mix, but
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Speaker 3: you cannot rule it out. And certainly if Devers becomes
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Speaker 3: Devors again, then the equation changes, and it's a funny mix.
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Speaker 3: They've got their top prospect, Bryce Elderg in the major
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Speaker 3: leagues now, and they're not really going to play him.
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Speaker 3: They're gonna use him more as a pinch hitter because
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Speaker 3: they want Devers to play in Casey Schmidt to play,
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Speaker 3: And of course Chapman and the Dominos are locked in.
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Speaker 3: So I don't know where it's going, but it's kind
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Speaker 3: of situation right now where things are tenuous. Put it
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Speaker 3: that way, it could go basically either way.
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Speaker 2: You confirm in your article about what I had saw
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Speaker 2: when I play with Buster Posey, about how he's not
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Speaker 2: like real keen on the whole way that Major League
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Speaker 2: Baseball establish or or values catchers with only receiving and
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Speaker 2: only throwing. He feels like there's other things. Do you
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Speaker 2: feel like the way that Buster Posey, because he was
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Speaker 2: instrumental in the Chapman signing even before he was the GM,
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Speaker 2: do you feel like he's zigging when the rest of
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Speaker 2: the league is zagging and he's kind of putting his
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Speaker 2: foot in the ground, is stamp on this team as
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Speaker 2: this is either gonna work or it's not. And it's
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Speaker 2: a concerted effort to be different because he thinks this,
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Speaker 2: thinks this is where the success is.
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Speaker 3: I don't know that it's a concerted effort to be different,
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Speaker 3: but certainly he is bold, he is decisive, and he
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Speaker 3: has put his mark on this team. And as I wrote,
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Speaker 3: all of their big moves Dever's a domas Tony Vitello
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Speaker 3: perfectly defended. In a vacuum. You can justify and understand
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Speaker 3: why each of those moves was made at the same time.
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Speaker 3: It's got to work, and if it doesn't work, then
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Speaker 3: of course we're talking about something different entirely, and so far,
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Speaker 3: at least to this point, it hasn't worked.
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Speaker 5: So they went.
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Speaker 3: From a very analytical GM for anxiety to a very
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Speaker 3: baseballish type GM buster posey. And it's going to be
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Speaker 3: interesting to see how this all plays out with them,
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Speaker 3: because they're a team that has the number four pick
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Speaker 3: in this draft and the number twenty nine pick now
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Speaker 3: coming over from the trade. They've got some good things
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Speaker 3: happening in their farm system. And yet, as I ask
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Speaker 3: in the column, where is this going? And how much
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Speaker 3: longer will it be before their fans are saying, Okay,
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Speaker 3: what's next? Because this is a team with one winning
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Speaker 3: season in the last nine years coming into this season,
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Speaker 3: and there's a restlessness about this organization and there should
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Speaker 3: be the Giant should be better than they've been reasons
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Speaker 3: for We all know that it's always that way in baseball,
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Speaker 3: but it is time for them to start showing it.
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Speaker 3: And granted it's only Posey's second full season, but he
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Speaker 3: has taken some big swings, and as I wrote to
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Speaker 3: this point, most of those big swings have been more
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Speaker 3: subtraction than addition. I'm sure you amounted to subtraction by addition.
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Speaker 4: Ken, what was what else was in your article this week?
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Speaker 4: What else did you write about?
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Speaker 5: I don't know.
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Speaker 3: Aj you got to read it.
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Speaker 4: Oh, I know, I'm asking. That's why I'm asking you
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Speaker 4: because it leads to my next question. God, I don't
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Speaker 4: know what was in the article, so I can't ask
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Speaker 4: the question. If I don't know what was in the article,
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Speaker 4: I'm really asking this I'm serious.
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Speaker 7: This seems like a setup.
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Speaker 4: No, this is not a setup. It'll get somewhere. Ken
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Speaker 4: will just answer Scott, why.
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Speaker 3: Don't we have someone who read the article ask another
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Speaker 3: question and then we maybe aj can think of a question.
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Speaker 4: Okay, we're the Mets in your article. That's all I
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Speaker 4: want to know. No, there was just really it was
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Speaker 4: just giants.
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Speaker 3: I just mentioned the Mets in one aspect. Daj I
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Speaker 3: said that Buster Posey doesn't have the track record David
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Speaker 3: Stearns does. At least with Sterns. You can point to
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Speaker 3: what he did in Milwaukee, what he did in twenty
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Speaker 3: four with the Mets, and know that there is some
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Speaker 3: foundation there that he has built for his reputation. Buster Posey,
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Speaker 3: like Vitello, is relatively new to his job, so there's
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Speaker 3: going to be scrutiny on any person like that. And again,
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Speaker 3: he has been bold, he has been decisive, and in
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Speaker 3: this day and age in Major League Baseball, that can
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Speaker 3: be a separator because there are so many heads of
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Speaker 3: baseball operations who are risk averse. At the same time, again,
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Speaker 3: the moves have to work, and we all know no
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Speaker 3: front office is perfect, and I mentioned that in the article,
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Speaker 3: and what was so interesting to me about the trade,
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Speaker 3: and AJ maybe you can ask a question off of this.
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Speaker 3: What was so interesting was that for the frustrations the
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Speaker 3: Giant had with Bailly, the Guardians seemed to be rejoicing
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Speaker 3: overgetting him. Stephen Vote, their manager, said he got text
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Speaker 3: from eight or nine people with the Giants congratulating him
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Speaker 3: on the deal. President of Baseball Operations Chris Antonetti mentioned
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Speaker 3: a conversation he had with Orioles manager Craig Albanez. Now
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Speaker 3: Craig Albanez was the Giants catching coach for a time
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Speaker 3: with Patrick Bailey there and then was the Guardian's bench
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Speaker 3: coach and apparently had been lobbying the Guardians to get
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Speaker 3: Patrick Bailey. And what Alberinaz said that Antonette was, Oh,
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Speaker 3: now you get him that I'm gone. So two organizations
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Speaker 3: looking at this player completely differently, and that is the
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Speaker 3: beauty of the game. And Bailly certainly is a polarizing guy.
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Speaker 3: And we'll see how this all turns out.
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Speaker 4: Okay, now i'll ask my question or I'll have the story.
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Speaker 4: We actually made a bet that your column this week
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Speaker 4: would be on the Mets or the Diamondbacks. That's why
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Speaker 4: I asked the question, And since I know I have
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Speaker 4: not had time to read it, you could have just
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Speaker 4: answered the question simply, but you decided to go all rampler.
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Speaker 4: So thank you for the ramp. But basically you yeah,
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Speaker 4: that was that you would write this week because since
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Speaker 4: you saw the Mets and the Diamondbacks that your column
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Speaker 4: this week would be on one of those two teams.
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Speaker 4: It wasn't. So therefore you lost me like a dollar,
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Speaker 4: so you owe me a dollar. Can Well my question
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Speaker 4: now it goes to the Mets. Is the call up
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Speaker 4: of viewing? Is this just the last thing they have,
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Speaker 4: the last gasp attempt they're finding some offense all the
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Speaker 4: moves they've tried to make already, they're moving guys in
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Speaker 4: lineup Soto to lead off this and that is this
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Speaker 4: their last gasp attempt to get some offense on this team?
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Speaker 3: Aja, First of all, I apologize for you losing your bet.
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Speaker 3: I'll be happy to give you your dollar the next
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Speaker 3: time I see you. I write according to what I
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Speaker 3: think is the best story of the day, and I
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Speaker 3: didn't believe the Mets or the Diamondbacks were the best
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Speaker 3: story of the day. Now to the point you raise,
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Speaker 3: and it is a really good one, because where else
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Speaker 3: do the Mets turn And frankly, they're turning to a
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Speaker 3: guy here who has played I believe, twelve games of TRIPLEA.
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Speaker 3: That's it. He is a player who has immense promise.
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Speaker 3: I spoke with someone last night who said he's not
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Speaker 3: going to be quite the defender Pete row Armstrong is,
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Speaker 3: but he believes this is someone who has some knowledge
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Speaker 3: from the draft of Ajewing. He believes this guy, aj
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Speaker 3: Ewing will be a better offensive player than Armstrong and
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Speaker 3: lesser defensively. If that's the guy he is, If that's
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Speaker 3: the player, he turns out to be big win for
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Speaker 3: the Mets. That said, teams always will tell you they
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Speaker 3: never want to bring in a player to be a
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Speaker 3: savior type person in a losing situation. What are the
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Speaker 3: Mets doing here? They are asking aj Ewing. They'll deny this,
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Speaker 3: but they're asking aj Ewing to inject them with some
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Speaker 3: energy at a time when they are absolutely struggling. And
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Speaker 3: it is a lot to ask, There's no question, it's
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Speaker 3: a lot to ask. So is this an act of desperation?
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Speaker 3: I would say it's pretty dawn near an active deay
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Speaker 3: inspiration And you can understand it. Aj. We watched the
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Speaker 3: Mets this weekend and we were not impressed, so I
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Speaker 3: get it, But it is also a reflection of them
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Speaker 3: not really having any place else to turn. With so
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Speaker 3: many players out right now and all teams of injuries.
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Speaker 3: We know that they're having a particularly bad run, but
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Speaker 3: at the same time, for three hundred and seventy million,
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Speaker 3: you would think they would have more options to go to.
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Speaker 2: Is there any inclination that a move like this is
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Speaker 2: more of a David Stern's type of move. I get it,
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Speaker 2: there's injuries. I get it, who's out and you know,
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Speaker 2: the next guy up type of thing. But David Sterns
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Speaker 2: has almost been forced to spend money when he's come
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Speaker 2: to New York. We know that Cohen probably was the
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Speaker 2: one that pushed through the Juan Soto thing. David Stearns
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Speaker 2: doesn't really want to spend money on pitchers, and look
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Speaker 2: at the teams that he had success with. With the Brewers,
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Speaker 2: they were calling guys up all the time, dropping them
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Speaker 2: into lineups at different spots, letting them be.
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Speaker 4: Who they are.
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Speaker 2: But he was had Luis Robert, he has Francisco Indoor,
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Speaker 2: He has veterans almost at every position, besides one guy,
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Speaker 2: Carson benj who he allowed to be there. So is
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Speaker 2: this Ewing call up more of like a hey, you
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Speaker 2: know what, it shows all these money guys haven't done
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Speaker 2: what we'd need him to do. Let's try it the
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Speaker 2: way that we did it in Milwaukee, or is it
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Speaker 2: just a eh, he's the next guy, so we'll do it.
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Speaker 3: Probably a little of both, Eric and yes, this is
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Speaker 3: the way they did it in Milwaukee, but yes, David
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Speaker 3: Stearns also recognizes he's not in Milwaukee and he's not
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Speaker 3: going to run the team the same way. He didn't
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Speaker 3: take the job anticipating he would run the team the
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Speaker 3: same way. It's a much different market, a much different situation.
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Speaker 5: Entirely.
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Speaker 3: To me, this move is not David Stearns trying to
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Speaker 3: put his stamp on the Mets as much as what
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Speaker 3: the heck else can we do at this time? We've
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Speaker 3: got a lot of deadweight on our roster. Let's try
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Speaker 3: one of their kids and see how that And there's
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Speaker 3: no harm in it. You can always send aj Ewing
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Speaker 3: back down.
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Speaker 7: And this idea that.
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Speaker 3: It could damage him permanently. Some people will say this.
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Speaker 3: In baseball, you bring a kid up and you could
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Speaker 3: mess him up forever, I guess, but not in the
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Speaker 3: way the modern game operates. We've seen guys come up
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Speaker 3: and come down, and maybe the Ajewing is ready, maybe
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Speaker 3: he isn't, But the Mets feel obviously that this is
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Speaker 3: someone who can give them a little boost and we'll
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Speaker 3: see their speed. There's defense, there's some good things about
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Speaker 3: Ajewing we know already, and again with Carson benj now
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Speaker 3: settling in, perhaps aj Ewing can take the same kind
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Speaker 3: of path, though again it is a much quicker route
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Speaker 3: to the major leagues.
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Speaker 4: Ken, do we have a update on Francisco Lindor. I
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Speaker 4: know we kind of asked Mindy on Saturday and he
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Speaker 4: kind of gave us the I don't really know, but
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Speaker 4: have you heard anything more other than that? Or Luise
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Speaker 4: Robert for that matter.
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Speaker 3: Their expectation on Lindor is June, and I'm not sure
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Speaker 3: exactly what in June, but he's not that close and
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Speaker 3: Luis Robert Junior and Polanco they're supposedly closer, but each
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Speaker 3: of them is not exactly moving at a rapid pace.
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Speaker 3: I believe Polanco it's possible this homestand or at least
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Speaker 3: that's what they were saying while we were in Arizona.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if that's changed, and Robert would be
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Speaker 3: after that. But again, I don't know that you can
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Speaker 3: put timetables on these guys when they've had injury histories
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Speaker 3: and they don't seem to get healthy quickly. It's a
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Speaker 3: problem for the Mets in part because they've also lost
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Speaker 3: some of their depth guys. They lost the shortstop behind
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Speaker 3: the door, Ronnie Maurizio. They lost two outfielders that really
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Speaker 3: would be helping them right now and would prevent them
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Speaker 3: from signing or bringing up aj Ewing. I'm talking about
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Speaker 3: Talkman and Jared Young. So this is where they are.
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Speaker 3: It's not a great spot to be in. But at
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Speaker 3: the same time, they've got to battle through it. No
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Speaker 3: one's going to feel sorry for them, and no one should.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, and a couple of those guys, Polanco and Robert
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Speaker 1: have had injury history for a while now, so you
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Speaker 1: know that was part of this where you're replacing some
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Speaker 1: guys and you feel like they're a better fit for
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Speaker 1: the team, but they're much more injury prone. I liked
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Speaker 1: your line on fair territory the other day. Ken you
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Speaker 1: said you watched a lineup on what was it Saturday
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Speaker 1: or Sunday that had a little split squad feel.
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Speaker 7: To it with the bottom of it.
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Speaker 1: I mean, that is rough when you look at a
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Speaker 1: team that's at you know, three seventy mil and second
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Speaker 1: highest payroll in the game on a day when apparently
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Speaker 1: collective bargaining chitter chatter is going to start too.
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Speaker 7: So how fitting it is fitting?
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Speaker 3: And yes, Evan Drelich just reported that the two sides,
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Speaker 3: the Union and the league, meant for the first time today.
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Speaker 3: It's called opening presentations. It's not a situation where offers
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Speaker 3: are getting exchanged or ideas are getting exchanged. It's just
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Speaker 3: here's what we think of where the game is, and
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Speaker 3: here's what you think of where the game is, and
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Speaker 3: go from there. Again, they will talk numerous times before
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Speaker 3: we get to the December first expiration of the CBA.
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Speaker 3: I don't expect anything serious to happen until maybe November,
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Speaker 3: and even then it might be a lot of fainting
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Speaker 3: and jabbing, because it seems like we're going to need
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Speaker 3: a lockout, or we're going to get a lockout in
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Speaker 3: order for these two sides get serious.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it seems like they're into that rack
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Speaker 1: up those lawyer hours, the whole deal. We'll be talking
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Speaker 1: about it, so we'll see what happens. Ken, good stuff.
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Speaker 4: Thank you.
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Speaker 1: Catch you later in the week, and you know I'll
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Speaker 1: be on every single word of every column you put
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Speaker 1: out there. Even if your best friend AJ isn't.
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Speaker 4: You didn't invite me over for dinner, I would have
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Speaker 4: read it.
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Speaker 1: Well, he's going to give you a one dollar dinner
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Speaker 1: because he owes you a dollar. He's going to give
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Speaker 1: you what a dollar slice in New York next time
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Speaker 1: you guys meet.
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Speaker 7: How's that right? Thanks? AJ?
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Speaker 3: Good talking always.
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Speaker 4: Yep, thank you, that's reading.
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Speaker 1: See you Fair Territory by the way back on Thursday.
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Speaker 1: Oh do you know who's hosting fair Territory on Thursday?
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Speaker 1: I have no idea, me, me and Ken and I
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Speaker 1: Hey, we're heading in the weeds and it's presented by
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Speaker 1: MLB Perfect Inning twenty six. Let's talk trades now. You
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Speaker 1: might say the deadline's three months away. We're a quarter
19:56
Speaker 1: into the season.
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Speaker 7: That's cool.
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Speaker 1: Some teams do make early t Are there a ton
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Speaker 1: of trades in early may not necessarily, but I think
20:04
Speaker 1: the way to look at it is Bob Nightingoe article
20:07
Speaker 1: says five teams to watch as executives weigh in on
20:11
Speaker 1: wild scenarios. So he spoke to scouts and quite a
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Speaker 1: few execs, including GMS, about what's going on. And here
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Speaker 1: are the five teams that he came up with that
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Speaker 1: you should keep an eye on in terms of trading
20:22
Speaker 1: players away if things go down a bad path. Most
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Speaker 1: of them are obvious Mets Giants. I'd like to start
20:30
Speaker 1: with the Astros. These two are less obvious, Diamondbacks Tigers.
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Speaker 1: I don't really see that one as much. He more
20:36
Speaker 1: included them to talk about Schooble. I'd like to start
20:39
Speaker 1: with the Astros. Ajay, we're not used to this. Jim Crane,
20:43
Speaker 1: the owner of the team, is one of the more
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Speaker 1: competitive owners in baseball, so I'm not sure how much
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Speaker 1: he is willing to deal, and most of their impact
20:52
Speaker 1: pieces are not free agents after this year. The only
20:56
Speaker 1: one that could be from the list I'm looking at
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Speaker 1: is Esak Paratus, but his option next year is thirteen mil.
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Speaker 7: That'll probably get picked up.
21:04
Speaker 1: Besides that, you've got Jeremy Payne, Josh Hayter, Christian Walker.
21:09
Speaker 1: He even this is where the story picks up steam.
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Speaker 1: He threw Jordon Alvarez his name in there. The Astros
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Speaker 1: are not trading Jordon, but he said they'll get calls.
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Speaker 4: They could get a Hall for him, though.
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Speaker 1: He said one executive told him told Bob, if they
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Speaker 1: trade yourd on, they would get a better package than
21:25
Speaker 1: what the Nationals got for Juan Soto. That deal included
21:31
Speaker 1: Mackenzie Gore, James Woods, j Abrams.
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Speaker 4: I know that's those are three pretty good players. All
21:38
Speaker 4: look at the contract.
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Speaker 2: His contract, I mean to be a top five hitter
21:42
Speaker 2: in the game. That's a that's a massive halt, He adds,
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Speaker 2: he is Ultimately he is landing in every team except
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Speaker 2: for the Dodgers three spot in the lineup, and a
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Speaker 2: Dodgers would probably be in on trading for Jordon Alvarez,
21:56
Speaker 2: except they already have a DH, so they won't.
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Speaker 1: I actually have another one coming up through the miners.
22:03
Speaker 1: They call Minie Jordon Josea Paola. I'm getting off topic,
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Speaker 1: but with the Astros, they're ten games under five hundred
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Speaker 1: as we're talking about them. If they continue on this path,
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Speaker 1: they will make a few deals. I don't know if
22:15
Speaker 1: they'll be super active because it has to match up.
22:17
Speaker 1: It has to be a team that actually has pieces
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Speaker 1: to move.
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Speaker 2: But would they would they make a massive deal with
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Speaker 2: somebody who's willing to eat some of somebody else's contract
22:29
Speaker 2: in a sense, not Jordon. I don't think Jordon's going anywhere.
22:32
Speaker 2: I think he's Him and Altuve are probably the untouchable.
22:36
Speaker 2: But would they say, okay, Issa Parades, who you would have?
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Speaker 2: You would have him for the next year also, so
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Speaker 2: it'll be, you know, a nice that would be a
22:44
Speaker 2: nice piece for a team, and then say, but you
22:48
Speaker 2: got to take hater's contract with it.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, that's that's going to happen. That's what's going to happen.
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Speaker 4: I don't see him trading any of these guys though.
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Speaker 4: I don't see him trading pain because they're still trying
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Speaker 4: to win. They're not It's not like they've just given
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Speaker 4: up unless the askers have just completed. And if they
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Speaker 4: have them, they can have a lot of pieces they
23:07
Speaker 4: could sell and get a lot back and restart the organization.
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Speaker 4: If you can trade, If you can trade, I mean
23:13
Speaker 4: you can start trading. You can go full twins to
23:14
Speaker 4: trade Peina Alvarez hater. You could trade a lot of
23:18
Speaker 4: guys and get stuff back for him.
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Speaker 1: They won't do all of that, but can you reset
23:22
Speaker 1: with one or two. Remember this offseason they were shopping
23:24
Speaker 1: Christian Walker. Now he's hitting. If you really want to
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Speaker 1: move him, now would be the time.
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Speaker 4: But they also thought they had Korea and they could
23:30
Speaker 4: put parades at first.
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Speaker 1: Now they don't have that option, right, but he's so
23:33
Speaker 1: he's back next year. I'm saying if they end up
23:36
Speaker 1: fifteen games under five hundred and if right now, that's
23:39
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. But it worked, Like, dude, if we're
23:42
Speaker 1: at June first and you're fifteen games under five hundred,
23:44
Speaker 1: guess what, you're not making the playoffs. Even ten games
23:47
Speaker 1: under five hundred, we're probably not making the playoffs. So
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Speaker 1: you could trade Christian Walker at that point, sell at
23:55
Speaker 1: a good spot.
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Speaker 7: Korea should be back next year.
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Speaker 1: Paratus could be back for them at thirteen mil, and
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Speaker 1: then there you got rid of your logjam. That number
24:04
Speaker 1: was much of a problem. So that's one. Who would
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Speaker 1: you like to go with next Metzer Giants?
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Speaker 4: Giants don't have anybody tradable, so let's not even go there.
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Speaker 7: No, they do. Who Robbie Ray free agent after this year?
24:19
Speaker 4: I feel like that's a given values. I don't feel
24:23
Speaker 4: like his value.
24:23
Speaker 7: Is that high playoff pitcher.
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but right he's pitching Game three Jimmy Jack to
24:29
Speaker 4: Jordan in the playoffs.
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Speaker 7: It was a while ago, and wasn't he had a
24:32
Speaker 7: bullpen for that?
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Speaker 4: Yeah? But I just I don't know the team's trust.
24:37
Speaker 4: Hear the teams trust him? Really? You know you trust
24:40
Speaker 4: Robbie Ray crowds I do. I do.
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Speaker 2: I do because of the fact that I think he is,
24:46
Speaker 2: what like two and a half years now off of
24:49
Speaker 2: Tommy John. I think his I think his stuff plays.
24:53
Speaker 2: Is he a number one starter for your playoffs? Absolutely not?
24:56
Speaker 2: Can he pitch? Can he be at number three? Like
24:59
Speaker 2: I would have to think of a specific team. But
25:02
Speaker 2: I would trust him because Game three you're gonna have
25:05
Speaker 2: an off day. So I want Robbie Ray to throw
25:09
Speaker 2: his four best innings for me. Let's split this way.
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Speaker 2: Padres pick up I know it's in the division, so
25:14
Speaker 2: it may not happen. Padres pick up Robbi Ray to
25:17
Speaker 2: be their number three guy in that rotation. He gives
25:20
Speaker 2: me four innings of grunt and fastballs, and I don't
25:24
Speaker 2: give them a chance to come back through the lineup
25:27
Speaker 2: to be like, okay, now that's straight fastball. I'm a
25:31
Speaker 2: I'm on time. I popped the first few up. I
25:33
Speaker 2: swung and miss at the first few. Now I'm on
25:35
Speaker 2: time for it, and boom, you go right to that bullpen.
25:38
Speaker 2: I think his I think his value is huge on
25:40
Speaker 2: a team like the Padres because you don't need six
25:43
Speaker 2: out of him, You don't even need five out of him.
25:45
Speaker 2: You can have him grunt and snort and punch out
25:48
Speaker 2: six in the first four innings and then you're done.
25:52
Speaker 1: The Cubs are gonna call about anybody that can pitch
25:55
Speaker 1: a playoff game at well, that's the more interesting.
25:58
Speaker 2: Trate him trading.
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Speaker 4: Vadera's two year deal. Still we're talking about the Astros
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Speaker 4: trading guys. You get more value out of a guy
26:09
Speaker 4: with another.
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Speaker 7: Year arise, We haven't.
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Speaker 1: Talked about that, I know, but we haven't talked about
26:16
Speaker 1: this much. And I think he's a better playoff performance.
26:18
Speaker 1: You need somebody to make contact if you've got enough
26:21
Speaker 1: pop in the lineup his defense, I don't even understand it.
26:27
Speaker 1: We need to bring Ron Washington back on the show
26:29
Speaker 1: and be like, what the hell did you do? Yeah,
26:33
Speaker 1: I've watched him and the metrics back at us last night.
26:37
Speaker 4: He's been doing it all to his left and set
26:39
Speaker 4: his feet and freaking made a nice throw.
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Speaker 1: All year, he hasn't completely transformed himself. It's almost like
26:46
Speaker 1: nobody was running through defense with him in the past.
26:49
Speaker 1: And now do you know what his range is on
26:51
Speaker 1: out above average this year ninth percentile.
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Speaker 4: He said he wanted to prove he could play defense.
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Speaker 2: He's doing it, and look where he was. Look where
27:04
Speaker 2: he was in San Diego. Like, if you put me
27:07
Speaker 2: with all the fastest guys in the world, I'm looking really,
27:10
Speaker 2: really slow. That's a bad example because I'm slow anyway.
27:13
Speaker 2: But Luisa Rise had to look had to be on
27:17
Speaker 2: a team fielding all these guys that are getting great
27:20
Speaker 2: jumps because they're all shortstops. Every one of them are shortstops.
27:23
Speaker 2: So maybe it was always in there, and the Padres
27:26
Speaker 2: were just like, you know, we don't really need to
27:29
Speaker 2: work on, you know, Manny Machado's jumps, we don't really
27:33
Speaker 2: need to work on. Jake Croninworth, He's you know, he
27:36
Speaker 2: was a shortstop coming up through Xander Bogart's was a shortstop.
27:39
Speaker 2: He could move, and then Tatis was like everybody was
27:42
Speaker 2: a short stop. So maybe it was just one of
27:43
Speaker 2: those things that it was always in there, and he's like,
27:47
Speaker 2: he's a baseball player that I think if you put
27:50
Speaker 2: everybody in a showcase, showcases that like the kids go
27:53
Speaker 2: to now Luisa Rise doesn't get picked, but he you know,
27:58
Speaker 2: he's clearly getting the job done at above average pace.
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Speaker 1: If they stink they're going to trade him, Mets center
28:05
Speaker 1: of attention, but.
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Speaker 4: He's got to go to a team and has small
28:10
Speaker 4: crowds because the crowds in York are two week one.
28:12
Speaker 4: That's why he got hurt.
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Speaker 7: He means mediums, maybe medium crowds.
28:16
Speaker 2: It's great if he came out, ye huh, that'd be
28:20
Speaker 2: great if he came out and said that he's like, oh,
28:22
Speaker 2: it's so much better with crowds. There was no crowds
28:24
Speaker 2: there and now if he would say, oh, the pressure
28:26
Speaker 2: of the crowds is just too much, he won't say that,
28:28
Speaker 2: but that would have been great. Now, nobody, there's no
28:31
Speaker 2: value to Luis Robert, no value. Sorry, he's not getting traded, okay.
28:36
Speaker 1: Freddie Peralta and Clay Holmes are the obvious ones.
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Speaker 4: Those two would both get you could get you a.
28:42
Speaker 1: Lot yep there and then the one I have a
28:45
Speaker 1: question on for you guys is Boba Schett three years,
28:48
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty six mil. Two opt outs too
28:51
Speaker 1: much money right now?
28:52
Speaker 4: Right because right now the Mets are going to opt out.
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Speaker 7: They want him to opt out.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, who's I mean?
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Speaker 7: How great would it be for it's too much money?
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Speaker 4: Too much money?
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Speaker 2: How great would it be for for Freddy p who
29:09
Speaker 2: right now will get a qualifying offer because he was
29:11
Speaker 2: traded before the season. He's not going to get a
29:15
Speaker 2: qualifying offer if he gets traded. As to me, it
29:17
Speaker 2: looks like like, how how do the Mets keep him
29:20
Speaker 2: if they don't turn this around like massively unless sign
29:23
Speaker 2: an extension?
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Speaker 1: Right, but we haven't heard it yet, so I'm not
29:28
Speaker 1: buying that one so quick.
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Speaker 4: Clay Holmes is he can opt.
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Speaker 7: Out, right, he's definitely going as long as he's get healthy.
29:34
Speaker 7: I mean it's like twelve mil's.
29:36
Speaker 2: He's gone a qualifying offer though, So if he gets traded,
29:40
Speaker 2: if he gets traded, no qualifying offer.
29:44
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're both begging to be traded. They're going to
29:46
Speaker 1: make way more money if they get traded.
29:47
Speaker 2: Yes, exactly, they're sabotaging that clubhouse. So they get traded,
29:51
Speaker 2: They're not, they're not more soaking out.
29:54
Speaker 5: I know.
29:55
Speaker 1: Two more at the finish line here, because these were
29:57
Speaker 1: the ones that were in here in a different way.
30:00
Speaker 1: One is the Tigers just based on them off to
30:02
Speaker 1: an as start and seeing where Schooble's at. But the
30:05
Speaker 1: concept that was written about here is you know, if
30:07
Speaker 1: Scooble somehow comes back or it's not working for him
30:10
Speaker 1: and the Tigers fall out, well then you're not trading
30:11
Speaker 1: Schooble because he didn't have the same value there. If
30:14
Speaker 1: he comes back and he shoves, Tigers are probably gonna
30:16
Speaker 1: be relevant. So most of the exacts, like one GM
30:19
Speaker 1: in this story was quoted saying too much invested, don't
30:22
Speaker 1: see it happening, the whole Schooble thing, and he just
30:25
Speaker 1: got the nanosk or what is the nanoscope that Scott
30:28
Speaker 1: Boris talked about? Less invasive. Boras said, it's basically like
30:31
Speaker 1: receiving a shot. So when some people thought it would
30:35
Speaker 1: be two or even three months for Schooble, the target
30:38
Speaker 1: returned for him in his mind and his representation's mind,
30:41
Speaker 1: sounds more like perhaps June, which would be great.
30:46
Speaker 7: So anyway, I.
30:47
Speaker 1: Don't think they're worth taking much time on. I'm going
30:48
Speaker 1: to skip even asking you guys, here's the last one.
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Speaker 4: Tigers aren't trading, but they're in the now Central They're alive.
30:53
Speaker 4: They were up fifteen games last year and lost the division.
30:55
Speaker 1: They know how you can have Yes, Diamondbacks waited until
30:59
Speaker 1: the last year and then had Naylor, Gino, Meryl Kelly
31:05
Speaker 1: get alive.
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Speaker 4: Though right now they're twenty and twenty twenty one and
31:09
Speaker 4: whatever it is, twenty they're five hundred right now, I
31:12
Speaker 4: look at them, who do they have? Gallon would be
31:14
Speaker 4: the obvious one.
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Meryl Kelly.
31:17
Speaker 4: Again, didn't he sign a multi year deal?
31:19
Speaker 1: He did so he could keep him. Nelson, although he's
31:22
Speaker 1: got a pitch better. Here's the big one, or there's
31:24
Speaker 1: two big ones, Mike I could tell no. Mike Soroka
31:28
Speaker 1: was dealing again last night at six and two thirds.
31:31
Speaker 1: You could trade see Walts, who's been awesome for them,
31:34
Speaker 1: hasn't loved it.
31:35
Speaker 4: By the way, he was making me laugh so hard
31:38
Speaker 4: on Saturday when I was talking. I was talking to
31:40
Speaker 4: him and Ginkle and uh someone else using wall was
31:44
Speaker 4: making me laugh so hard. He said something about taking
31:48
Speaker 4: my shirt off, and I was like, I don't want
31:49
Speaker 4: to embarrass all you pictures if I take my shirt
31:51
Speaker 4: off front of the current players. And Ken was standing there,
31:53
Speaker 4: I'm like, why don't we get Ken to take his shirt?
31:55
Speaker 7: Oh gosh, Ken probably scurry it out. Oh yeah, he
31:58
Speaker 7: did not part of that combo.
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Speaker 4: But I love well he was.
32:01
Speaker 5: He was.
32:02
Speaker 4: He's great, So that's just a great guy.
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Speaker 1: The point here is I think the Diamondbacks are going
32:06
Speaker 1: to be in the mix because their hitter.
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Speaker 7: We talked about the.
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Speaker 4: Silar is, why wouldn't the Diamondacks try to add something?
32:11
Speaker 7: Well, it just depends where they're at.
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Speaker 1: Last year, remember he waited till the buzzer and he
32:14
Speaker 1: was like, Eh, it's not really happening, got it. This year,
32:17
Speaker 1: it's more of just the hypothetical. We went over a
32:20
Speaker 1: number of arms that they could deal. There's one more
32:22
Speaker 1: to Edward Rodriguez, this sounds really good.
32:25
Speaker 4: Is a free agent?
32:26
Speaker 7: Not even close? Actually?
32:27
Speaker 4: Oh really?
32:28
Speaker 1: Because I was like, but they would they would deal
32:30
Speaker 1: him away if a team would take on the money.
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Speaker 7: I feel pretty confident in that.
32:38
Speaker 1: He's got twenty one mil this year, nineteen mil next year,
32:40
Speaker 1: and then he could get seventeen on a vesting option
32:44
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty eight if he goes one hundred and
32:45
Speaker 1: fifty innings in twenty twenty seven or three hundred innings
32:48
Speaker 1: combined in twenty six and twenty seven. So if the
32:52
Speaker 1: Diamondbacks fall out and E Rod's dealing, the Diamondbacks will
32:55
Speaker 1: definitely shop him too.
32:56
Speaker 7: Good exercise.
32:57
Speaker 1: We know it's early, but just teams to focus on
33:00
Speaker 1: and see what they've got in terms of potential trade assets.
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