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Episode 1 Part 1- Jeb Sessums · Pushin' the Cushion

• Jim Gardner: And that right there is where we should probably step in. Before the guys grab their tinfoil hats and start debating the moon landing, we're going to cut things off and wrap up part one of episode one. Turns out we have nearly another hour of conversation left, so we'll roll that out as part two later this week. In part two, we'll let the conspiracy theories fly for a bit and eventually steer things back towards racing, talk about Jeb's plans for 2026 and wrap things up. Thanks for listening to Pushing the Cushion. Slim Pushins: Welcome to the Pushing the Cushion podcast with Slim Pushings and Corby Scherb. For all your local and national sprint car updates, news, opinions, driver and team interviews, and behind the scenes insights and stories, I promise you've never heard. These two have no idea what they're doing or why they're doing it, so give it a try. If for no other reason, you'll be able to make fun of them for it. from the Rutherford team studio, please welcome Corby and Slim. Welcome to the put pushing the cushion podcast. We've made it all the way to episode number one. I'm slim pushings your host, my cohost, the only guy that I know that still wears a helmet every time he takes a shower. Corby Sherb. Jim Gardner: you Slim Pushins: I thought I was the host now and the co-host. don't know any other way to intro. mean, do I intro to introduce myself as the co-host? I don't know. I don't know how that works. We've got Jim crew chief That's in the, ⁓ he's in the producer's lounge drinking my ties. Jim Gardner: That's right. It's the white claws. My flavors, my wife doesn't like to drink. not muted. Slim Pushins: Jim, you're still muted. You're muted. Jim Gardner: then you muted me. Slim Pushins: You want me to go ahead and introduce the guests now? have the one and only, ⁓ the tallest guy that runs locally with us, the O1J, Jeb Sessoms. Jeb Sessoms. Thanks for showing up, brother. Yeah, appreciate you all having me on. I'm excited to see what kind of questions you all got for me and ⁓ this little conversation is going Interested or scared? ⁓ think Savannah is more scared than anything. ⁓ I'm more interested. Yeah. That's a... That makes sense. We had a pretty good response to the first shakedown episode. I think that we've worked through some of the, kinks and hisses and pop noises. Not that there won't be any, but any of them here. Jeb's the re the reigning, KSP and harder Texas track champions. What'd you have ⁓ five wins? That's I counted back on. It was on Facebook. It's the only Jim Gardner: . Slim Pushins: I couldn't figure out how to make my race password. Yeah. I think it ended up being like four or five wins. And then we ended up having KSP rocket and Waco. Yeah. Yeah. And then we ended up having quite a few top, top threes. I think it ended up being like 12 top threes. So Jim kind of had a solid little year on turning the wrenches on the car. So he's pretty good sometimes, isn't he? He is pretty good. Sometimes he is. Jim Gardner: Awesome awesome mess the car up honey that I appreciate the shout out. It's better than ⁓ Slim Pushins: Anybody that's listening that knew any of the sherbs before Jim showed up in Texas has a good idea. Would you agree with that, Corey? He has a good idea on what Jim's capable of. I'm not that good of a car driver. We can put it that way. I've been telling him that for a long time. Jim Gardner: Whoa. All right. Alright, you guys are gonna give me a complex. That's not true at all. I just make sure the cars don't fall apart. Slim Pushins: So what's been going on in the off season? season wise, really been working and trying to of how to ⁓ a little faster, a little bit faster. always an idea to to figure out how to get a little bit faster. Trying to figure out kind of the game plan for the year. I think we're probably going to stay local, kind of do about what we did last year, stay local ⁓ and then. goals to try to click off a few more wins than we did last year. we'll just kind of see how that goes. There's lot of people gunning for the KSP, ⁓ track championship. That's your goal again. Yeah. I had to take the crown from Corby. So I was expecting to be sitting here on the table, but the crown wasn't waiting for me. but now I'm excited to see how Kennedy Kennedy was a lot tougher than a lot of people think there. There's a lot of fast guys weekly there. ⁓ It is stout. It takes consistency more than just race wins there. Yeah, no doubt. No doubt. And then the tracks kind of unpredictable. Sometimes it'll be bone dry. And then the next week you come in there and it'll be rough and locked down. So you definitely have to be ready as a driver ⁓ your crew chief kind of has to be on point. They got to be ahead of the game. Yeah, no doubt. It's easy for us. Cause we just sit in the seat. Yeah. ⁓ Just tell me where to go. That's all. That's all. Easy for me. ⁓ bet it is. lot of preparation to start sprint cars at KSP. What about this? I don't know if a lot of people know this. What do you do for work? a registered nurse. So I do, ⁓ neuro critical care. So primarily strokes, brain traumatic brain injuries, brain tumors, spinal injuries. So that's kind of the predominant thing that I do on a week to week basis and then ⁓ play around the dirt track on the weekends. Basically way too smart to drive a sprint car. ⁓ Yeah. think it shows on the track though. and I have a lot of, have had a lot of conversations this week about ⁓ stories and, how thought and effort put in to racing, putting people in bad spots. is that, think that Jeb is a super methodical racer ⁓ and it's never he's put me in a bad spot or put me in a pinch or anything like that, one of the hardest guys to pass. Sometimes ⁓ always like Jeb had a sixth sense, an intuition of where I'm gonna be at. Yeah. You know, I've always been more of the driver that. Is that something that you think about? I do. I mean, when you're on the track in the middle of a lap, are you thinking you're obviously I've heard a thousand times, you're watching the guy in front of you is, or is it a cognitive thought that, um, to try to put somebody in a bad place or because in my, in my elementary racing education, it would be. simply just to be fat, find where I'm faster than, but is it a cognitive thought to put somebody in a bad place? I think it is intentionally someone in a bad place. ⁓ I some people are just a little bit more aggressive drivers than others. I've always been more of a, I'm gonna kind wear you down. not gonna, never really been a huge slide job guy. if I'm going to beat you, it most likely is I'm going to try to get you out of the corner. I don't be, I don't drive it as deep as a lot of people do, but I try to get on the throttle before most people do the more technical racetracks. But it's really, I guess it really just goes from person to person. A lot of people I think are just looking for one little opening and they're going to push the envelope that. But ⁓ let let me ask both of you this. Y'all have raced in the region for so long. does, you get to know certain characteristics in driving style? For sure. So like so and so is right in front of you. You know, you know that within a couple of laps, he's going to do this and you'll have your shot. Is that a thing? Yeah, I agree. ⁓ I think that there's just about everyone has certain things that they do. Like Jeb saying that Jeb was never that fast on entry, but Jeb was super fast on exit, but that still carries halfway down the straightaway. And there's some guys Like we can say it like this. mean, my brother Logan was one of the most aggressive people on entry to the corner. He'd throw a slider that would kill him on exit and you could drive right by him. yeah, no doubt. And then like you really, when you're running ⁓ like in a local area, you do get to know the drivers pretty well. So whenever they stick a nose in on you and you see their nose wing, ⁓ kind of expect potentially what can happen in the next corner. and so If you like with me, if I ever kind of lost momentum or messed up in a corner and then I know who have an idea who's behind me, I kind of plan on that going into the corner of if I need a block where they might be outside outside. You got to be super straight or you can still be offensive. Do I need to slide myself or prepare for a slider straight into the bumper? Yeah. Yeah. So just kind of did game plan. Did Corby worry when Corby was, I mean, did it ever cross your mind that you might mess up and give Corby the one chance in 10 years to pass. I think it was many more times than one time for sure. But yeah, no, anytime with Corby, I knew going into it that I was not going to get this slider die. You better really watch out when I go into the corner. Never, never an idea like that. Would I potentially change lanes and slow up my entry a little bit to mess up his momentum? No doubt. says he doesn't. It's not really something that I know. I remember a race that I think we was at Boyd and it was you. I think it was Chad and Logan. Y'all were all running high and I started deep and I started driving by people on the bottom and I pulled up to you and you drove off the ⁓ two and you started going down to the bottom. Like you said, it's just enough like he's not doing anything wrong and then he knows that I'm not going to shove my way through there. I would rather race you for who I am. If I'm better than you, I'm going to beat you. Yeah, exactly. Yep. Same here. I'm not going to force my way through there. So quick ⁓ those that don't know, Jimmy has crew chief for both you. let's just, we talk real quick about Jimmy's darkest day? It was a bad day for Jim. It was a really bad day. ⁓ So there's there's only one time that me and you ever got into each other to the point where I knew I needed to go and apologize. And it's a funny story because I got like the Eagle hops going through three and four in Kennedale. And it's the same thing. You go over the roller, going into turn three, and if you mess it up in any way, you get the hops. And I got really, really sideways and I knew top three went to the feature. It was at the Mike Milton race. all I could do in that moment was just turn to the infield and stomp on Yeah, I do remember that. I kind of, the way I entered, I lost you behind my right wing sideboard. So I you were hopping, had no idea what direction you're going in. How did you know he was hopping? I could see him. ⁓ you he was close enough that you saw? So you knew, you knew, the attitude the car. You knew that it was, was not a normal entry or exit. Yeah. kind of half ass see his. ⁓ belly pan a couple of times. mean, he he got some good little hops in there. It that bad. was bad. It was, it was, it wasn't like a bike. was the rear end of the car was fully up in there. It was pretty solid. And I didn't know which direction he was going and I lost him behind the sideboard. So my only thought process was just to hang it wide open and hope we missed each other. And Jim, were, were you sitting next to Jeff's wife and in the stands in that moment? Jim Gardner: you Yeah, it's it. It just. Slim Pushins: Who were you? I thought, who were you next to? Jim Gardner: ⁓ I don't know. I usually, usually I was probably sitting next to Savannah and, I don't know by lap five or the first yellow, I usually have to puke and I get out and walk down the stands and go just pace around in the pits and mumbled to myself and look like a, you know, just a crazed man. I do remember that being one of the worst days in recent memory, but I mean, back in the day when the Sherbs had four cars, I wouldn't even watch a heat race, ⁓ you know, cause the one in heat one would hit it in field tire and then it'd be back in the pits, getting the front end in and, ⁓ yeah, yeah, it was probably Corby. And so I'm back, you know, I'm back in the pits fix fixing that. And then another one will come in with half a sideboard ripped off and, and, ⁓ you know, we'd be, you know, thrashing on that, you know, until feature time. Then why I'd sit down and relax. But, ⁓ when Jeb and Corby got together, I think I even manifested it. I was like, Slim Pushins: Wait, can I guess which one in heat one hit the tire? It was probably me. was Corby. It was probably me. 1000 % it was Corby. Jim Gardner: I was like, they're going to run into each other. It's going to be all my deepest fears. Slim Pushins: But that's, that's the big problem is it was such a big race and it was time trials at night. And I knew that I couldn't lose another spot in the same and Jeb, he knew he needed that spot. He needed one more spot. So it was just hang it wide open and hope his car was pointing the right direction. It wasn't. who? Yeah. Jeb lost that battle. And then actually I went on to win the race. So it was, it was worth having to say sorry to Jeb. was the, was that the rain race? Jim Gardner: Hahaha! Slim Pushins: Yeah, that was the rain race. got called short. never seen Corby politic ⁓ hard for a promoter to call a race. I who was behind me. I knew he wasn't going to be easy. ⁓ can you this for a long time, Corby and I have always been on the same page with red or, we very rarely he ever give me hand signals or anything like that. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Yeah. You Yeah, well, Slim Pushins: But when I pulled up behind him and it's pouring rain, he screamed at me not to get off the floor. Don't you even think about getting off the four wheeler. was a good, it was a good night. mean, I hate that it was called short. It's crazy how that happened, you know, with Michelle pulling the caution on lap 11. That's really It was a cool, it was a, coolest win I've had. it's a good one. That's a solid. I mean, that's a solid race. ⁓ No doubt. I don't know. Jim Gardner: I thought they were going to escort me out of that joint this year's Jeb in the hot pit. Tell me up, tell me he was a lap down. I about lost my mind on anybody with a headset. I could find until his dad called me down and luckily the car was a lot more tore up than I thought it was. So, it was, it was junk. Slim Pushins: Yeah, that wasn't that was interesting that was but It really was. Yeah. It looked like we were able to potentially able to get back and go racing. But once we got to looking at it, it would have, it would have been a bad, bad little next corner. No doubt. Well, that's, that actually leads me to a pretty good question. When you're strapped into the car, obviously when you get to flip and you know that the car is not drivable 99.9 % of the time, but Jim Gardner: yeah, it was real tore up, but ⁓ yeah. Slim Pushins: when you, when you bounce off a wall or, or you kind of get in a tangle with somebody, do you have a good idea being pushed or pulled off the track that like we can fix this real quick? Like, is that a thing? mean, generally, generally you have a pretty decent idea. Um, sometimes the hardest Rex that you feel like something's actually pretty tore up. The car's not bad at all. And then you have a little know, slap the wall or get together with another car and it really tears a whole lot up and you don't really expect it. Like in that situation, ⁓ think it was when me and Ryder had actually got together going down the back straight away and we just bounced off each other and I thought it was just gonna be a cut tire and it ended up being the whole like rear end, Jacob's ladder, shocks, ⁓ wing, it the drive line. ⁓ Jim Gardner: It was tore up. Slim Pushins: drive shaft, everything. It's like I said, to touch on that too. I think that a lot of fans don't understand, you know, sprint cars, they're not poorly put together, but at the same time, some of this stuff in a sprint car isn't really held together. And so you, like you said, you can just hit just right and just crumble the whole thing. doubt. Did Ryder get a raw end of that deal? Ryder LaPlante? No, he went on. he, I think. Yep. Yeah. got a in that race. Yeah. That's, uh, I don't know how y'all remember such detail. Jim Gardner: Yeah. ⁓ No, he runs, he ran second in the race. Well, when you lose them like that, keeps me up at night in the middle of winter on a Wednesday and I got a stew over it. No, it wasn't a bolt loose. It was not sure bracing special. No, ⁓ I actually spent. Slim Pushins: about. I'm still good. Was it a bolt loose gym? Was that what did it? Yeah Jim's been known to throw tools. Jim, I've had tools thrown at ⁓ Jim Gardner: I probably spent 30 minutes just trying to, the whole rear end of the car was bound up because the ladder was bent, the torque tube was bent and the rear end was bent and I had it on a jack stand in the pits just hammering it for half an hour just to even try to begin to fix it. It was tore up. So I'm really glad they didn't let us go back out on the racetrack. That was actually. Slim Pushins: And that right there. Well, that right there, that's what wins championships. And that's the consistency that you got to have is people in the pit area that's truly ready to throw anything that they can at it. Yep. No doubt. And that's also one of the great things about the sport. You're, you compete with these people in and week out. And are the exact, those are the same people that are going to lend you a tire. They're going to lend you a mag. Yeah, no, no, that's a funny story. Jim Gardner: I mean, an hour before that, Wilson was upside down in the hot lap session with Slim Pushins: He had a hundred people around his car that night all helping out. No, the, the mag incident. So we tell them, tell them, and then we're going to get, I want to get back to a couple of years. Um, that I remember the first night Jeb walked up to me and say, can I borrow your mag? And I was like, yeah, no big deal. Let's try it up here. And then the next time it was, I think it was at the next weekend, maybe two weeks later, I don't remember. But Jeb walked up to me and I was climbing in the car and I can't remember if it was for practice or a heat race. I don't remember. And he said, Hey, do you still have that mag? And I was like, yeah, it's second cabinet up at the front, you know, just didn't think about it. And it turned out it was like three or four times through that year that you had to borrow my Mac. Yeah. that was, we had some bad luck with our mags. We had multiple ones rebuilt and they still failed. And you know, the Sure parts trailer was sitting there just right across the way. So I had to go still the old reliable mag from them. I knew that one was going to work for me and it did every time. And luckily it was always there available when I needed it. I remember I'll tell this story now to the public and I to this day, I don't believe that my dad knows this, but Jeb had borrowed it. I can't remember if it was for nationals. I think it was. Yeah, it was. It was at nationals and you left with it and you took it home and it was no big deal. Like I didn't think much of it. Well, My dad calls me and says he's gonna go drive. And he goes, hey, do you have that mag in case my car needs it? And I'm like, ⁓ shit. almost certain you were like, yeah, we've got it. It's all good. And then, so my dad asked me this and I'm like, ⁓ yeah, dude, like everything's in the trailer. Don't worry about that. So I'm calling Jimmy. Cause I gotta go to the bathroom real quick. ⁓ takes his phone and I knew exactly what he was doing. And I was in just a straight panic, an absolute panic. It's not because he would have been bothered if we would have asked before we did but we didn't ask So we finally get a hold of Jeb and I text Kerbo and I was like, hey Tell Jeb if my dad's standing in the trailer just like walk around like do something wait some time or something and Sure enough. He brought it up to me in the box and I put it up. It was perfect and no one ever knew Yeah, yeah, it was perfect worked out pretty pretty good didn't know that it was a ⁓ Like a bank heist a little bank heist going on there that we got to sneak some things around but now that was much appreciated Appreciate now it was good and that's that's too. You know, that's sprint car racing I mean, I've seen them break switches on the way to the racetrack You just never know and you said you got hundreds of them rebuilt and they would come out and it's just crazy. Yeah The same, put it in at nationals and then we were trying to push it around and it was shooting back, firing me. We had a little ass backwards. That's all right. Curvo got a good view. trying to, I was, I don't know, 10 feet back on the four wheeler, pushing him in circles around the kind of the block in the pits. And I, Jeb's just, it's like fireworks. It was four foot flames and Jim Gardner: It's 180 out and it's just... Slim Pushins: I was like, normally I kind of have a good idea of, you know, like let up or, or we're going to keep pushing. I was, I was didn't say anything and he, was, we were just hammered down and these things were just pack cow pack cow. ⁓ that's Jim Gardner: I got to put my mag in tomorrow and I'm chat GPT in the whole procedure to make sure I don't do it right. So I don't crash my car in my backyard again, like I did two years ago. Slim Pushins: That did happen. you didn't hear about that. Nobody told me about that. It was mom's car. ⁓ no. Go ahead. Go ahead, Jim. You have the floor before we ⁓ in on you. Jim Gardner: Oh, oh. So I had. So I had, I had the motor put back together. it had some issues, got it all put back together. ⁓ And, really want to go to Lawrenceburg, Indiana, my home, my hometown track. They were running the next week, but they were running Grayson County the week before. So this is probably Wednesday, Thursday. And I've got acres at the house. I got a little circle driveway and the, trailer sits in the front yard during race season. Cause we just drop it and load it. The real big eyesore, but, um, so we go, we drop the mag in, push it off and, um, I can keep it running in, in, uh, while I'm in the car, but the second I get out of car, dies. It, you know, when I go to grab the timing gun and we, dad and I probably pushed it off 10 times. It's starting to get dark. My mom was on her way to pick my dad up and I called her and I said, Hey, when you come, Make sure you give me a lane. You need to park in front of the trailer or beside the trailer because Because there's trees and there's my parents boat like there's tons of stuff in my yard and I was like you need to park next to the trailer so we get the thing a little better, but it still keeps dying so I just keep cranking the idle into it like an idiot ⁓ Probably on the 10th or 12th I ⁓ Slim Pushins: Don't park in the middle of the speedway. You ⁓ wait, hold on, hold on. When you were cranking into it on a scale of like zero to wide open, was it cranked? Way too much. Well. Jim Gardner: I, I at least added a quarter turn or half a turn of idle into it six times and, it's getting dark. Yeah, it's getting dark. I got out, I got, ⁓ and I'm just, I'm trying to be cool. You know, my dad is, my dad is an unbelievable person and is always helpful and I'm trying not to lose it on him, you know? And so got out. Slim Pushins: Way too much. Butterflies are wide open. Jim's frustrated. Jim Gardner: one time and I got the timing gun hooked up just enough to flash to see that the timing was behind top dead center not in front of. so I just got a handful of mag and cranked it a quarter turn and I said here we go dad it'll fire now and ⁓ I going down my backyard no seatbelts like an idiot no helmet like an idiot and I that switch and that thing went And it was about 4,200 down the backyard. I was yank trying to yank it out of gear. Wouldn't get on the gear. I'm standing on the brakes, sliding through the grass, about smoked my boat, about spoke my dad's neighbor's trailer that stored back there. And sure enough, my mom had arrived and didn't park next to the trailer. She parked in front of the trailer, which is, guess, still next to, but it's in a different orientation. I had nowhere to go. And I steamrolled the right front tire of her Prius. Destroyed the front strut. It's laying there like a tripod. Left the car there. Called Enterprise, rented a truck. The next day. Ordered a part. Slim Pushins: That was Jim's on record. That was Jim's, that was Jim's fastest lap ever. Jim, there's a kill switch. That helps. There's a kill switch that usually works. Jim Gardner: Yeah Dude, yeah, I know I man I I had the biggest bruise like I bent the steering wheel like a pringle I I crashed that thing so hard. I was so embarrassed. I was so pissed off. I was such an idiot and Slim Pushins: He, Jim called me, Jim called me after it happened and we were driving somewhere. He swore me to secrecy. It two weeks went by. He wouldn't, he wouldn't let me, I was like, somebody's going to ask why you have a rental car? Like why, why there's a rental car. Jim Gardner: What? Yeah. ⁓ it was embarrassing. Well, I also, I was going to not tell Corby, but I had to call and borrow the torsion rack straightener. ⁓ what? was like, ⁓ reason. Borrowed And yeah, so I'd literally, I had to put a new strut on my mom's car and I drove that car today. It goes straight the road sort of, you got the mag issue, went to Grayson County and crashed first lap. Slim Pushins: can I borrow the torsion rack? Show your course. I how come he's like, ⁓ shit. Jim Gardner: Uh, like an idiot because I'm a mechanic and then we went up to Lawrenceburg and we were really, really fast. It was awesome. We hauled ass at Lawrenceburg, but, uh, it was a nightmare. Yeah. It was a 20 hour drive to go up there and speaking of broke a mag, um, up in Indiana, but, uh, that was the only race of the year I wanted to run anyway. Slim Pushins: Hell of a mechanic. All right. Let's let, let's, let's touch on it. So, so we're talking about crashes and stuff and we said, know, what you do, you know, you're, you're married, you have a kid. there's a lot of times that, you know, having kids will change your perspective on it. And I don't even know if I'm supposed to say this on the air. I mean, you had probably the gnarliest crash of anyone locally here. Yeah. It happened wingless at devil's bowl. Yeah. Yeah. I think that that was kind of the point when I decided that ⁓ wasn't. Exactly my cup of tea. but yeah, no, I took a pretty bad tumble at Devil's bowl, non-wing, ⁓ had a three 60 in it at that time, but, ⁓ a car had some mechanical issues in front of me right as we get to the end of the back straight away. And I thought I had enough room to go around the outside of them. I think I don't remember much that day, but I ended up. jumping his right rear and I, sent it. I a video that exists. is a video and you have pictures. ⁓ I got a picture. So at that time I didn't wear armor strengths, but know some people do. Some people don't, but ⁓ yeah. I sent it pretty good. Probably flipped 14, 15 times and over in, cleared defense ⁓ and was out in the field at the ⁓ airport. Yeah. were on the airport property. Jim Gardner: Yeah, landed in the airport. The FAA is probably like, what the hell was that? Slim Pushins: Yeah. FAA. Yeah. Well, UFO flying in there. I don't know if you told me or somebody told me, like they had to call the airport fire department because you were on the other side of the fence. think they had to, this is all from what people's told me. So you were out. Yeah, I was out. It knocked me out immediately. But I think they had to call and notify them that we're actually entering the airport property and they actually had to use the, um, Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: the track tractor to pull the fence down so they could get to me and then get me to the ambulance. But no, I flipped pretty good. ⁓ I had a L three compression fracture fractured my own, ⁓ head of the humorous, torma rotator cuff. I still have permanent nerve damage to the left side of my face. And it was, was a pretty, do you break arms? yeah. left arm, you your left arm. Yeah. Yeah. And so at that time I wasn't wearing armor strengths and the, ⁓ one the photographers did send me ⁓ personally a photo. He didn't want to actually release them online, but it does. shows my arms completely outside the cage. And I stopped wearing them when I was running micros. ⁓ I had a one time where my arm restraint hooked the shifter and it downshifted and I ended up breaking a chain and lost the race. So from then on, I was like, I don't need arm restraints. I'll be able to hold my arms in, but were you, when you were in, Jim Gardner: Yeah. Going back to my point, you lose a race and you're like, oh, we're never going to do that again. Yeah. Slim Pushins: Exactly. Yeah. 14 foot tall when you're in micros. Have you always been tall? Yeah, I've been tall. Yeah, pretty much. I've been this height since I was probably like 13, 14 years old, but I was like 140 pounds. So I looked a little ridiculous and fire suits didn't exactly fit. I remember when I was 140 pounds. Yeah. But I touched on that. You know, it was, it was a really big ride. It was super, super scary crash. Um, I think that even people watching it, not just that you Could start rethinking stuff, but does does crashes and injuries? I mean does just go along with a sport does it change now that you're a father? I Would say that even even before I became a father my first race like when I first started racing back after that crash because I was out for Probably a good it was a good wall. It was like a good eight Yeah, yeah, it ended my year it happened in Jim Gardner: That ended your year, right? Cause that was like in July or August or something like that. Slim Pushins: August and then my first race back with Inc was like in or April of the following year. So I had quite a long time not and definitely, I definitely was extremely timid that entire year. Right. I think that makes a lot of sense. I kind had the Ricky Bobby mindset. I don't shit. was that? This is just my opinion. I don't, I wouldn't think that was something that you did consciously. after a wreck like that in so long, just a recovery period, probably just something that's natural. And and then now, now having a kid now, it definitely kind of makes you second guess things and ⁓ really you're trying to make the correct decision on the next corner you're making. And when you're racing next to side by side and me realizing that, you know, I'm doing this ⁓ for fun, this is not my career. It could have been at one time. mean, there's always a potential it could have been. know, one could hope so. I had a lot of success growing up. race with a lot of extremely talented people and so talking about Rex, we have to tell him the story from you wrecking all the way down the front stretch at Boyd. I think he was there that night. I'm sure he was. He doesn't know that he doesn't know the story. ⁓ crashed at Boyd. ⁓ I started, I looked at the lineup sheet and I just, my sank. Who started the inside of me and ⁓ I knew that I needed to give him enough room because he's just, it's not that it's ever intentional. I don't believe, I just don't think that sometimes he thinks ahead of what's about to happen or at all. And, we took off and, um, Me and the other driver got together and it was absolutely hammered down that night. So on the, on the start going on the front straightaway. And I remember the car picking up and turning to the left. And I just said, this is not good. then I heard the wing crunch and that's like pretty much it that I remember the crash ⁓ I flipped all the way down the front straightaway and I remember the first like conscious thought that I had. So, ⁓ I took off across the track and again, I feel like I've done this for a long time and I know a lot of the people at the track. Things during a and during red flags that you guys just have never thought about, but ⁓ they clearly hold back. all the push trucks and four wheelers, hold us back. I don't remember waiting on the approval. ⁓ I'm almost certain that the cars were stopped, but I took off across the track and I knew it was potentially bad. I've seen him wreck a hundred times. I've seen him hit a thousand tractor tires. but for some reason, this one was a little bit different. I didn't think he was hurt, hurt, but ⁓ I like it stung. And so the first Wesley McNorton was working the infield. Yeah. The first conscious memory that I have like coming back to was I heard Wesley McNorton say, Corby, if you don't start talking, they're going to cut you out of this car. Wesley said, all I'd said to him was, think I'm okay. ⁓ okay. ⁓ okay. And I got out of the car. ⁓ I got there, that's the first thing that I heard. heard what I heard. Wesley go, listen, if you don't answer these paramedics questions, they're going to load you up. I Corby just in the, in the quietest of whispers go, I think I'm okay. ⁓ hurt. It hurt for sure. ⁓ ⁓ Jim Gardner: Wes is, Wes is like has the calmness of a serial killer too with when anything bad happens. You're like, how are you? Slim Pushins: Oh, for sure. And I remember getting out and standing on the front straight away and my car was junked and I, my mom was standing at the fence yelling at me. She'd been yelling your first name and middle name for a solid two minutes. Well, it's the same like Jeb knows this, like you're just so disoriented and like, know, all you really see is just like dust flying. You have no clue. And it, mean, it could just be some random fan. Well, I turned over there and it's my mom like pacing at the fence. Right. I looked at Corby and there wasn't anything really behind the eyes or in the eyes. And I was like, Corby, if you don't acknowledge to your mother that you're all right, going to start climbing over that fence and those flip flops. And I told her I was all right. And I jumped on the four wheeler and we rode off and then ⁓ he So he hops on the front. don't remember this. He hops on the front and he goes, take me to his trailer. I'm going to kick his ass. I was like, well, ⁓ of all, he's still on the track. There's not going to be anybody there. ⁓ he had both of his, Logan Lucas were both in, in that race. It was a feature ⁓ start of a feature. So I was like, we're ⁓ I'll you wherever you want with no intention of taking him anywhere, but our trailer. And I like, we're to go by your brothers first so that you can let them know you're all right too. So we headed off and they were kind of positioned. It wasn't too far out of the way. Jim Gardner: Yeah, that's the way that works. Yeah. Slim Pushins: with us exiting the track. So we go by, we go by there Lucas is closest to where, ⁓ where our path is. And Corby goes, Hey, I'm all right. And I hear Lucas from under his helmet go, all right, well, we didn't even know that was you. ⁓ No idea. So we get back to the trailer and like, this is whenever I knew that there was a problem. was standing at the trailer and the car's mangled. Did you know in the moment? Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: I didn't know that I really brung my bell, you know, it's just like, it happened so fast. You just don't think about this. And Jimmy asked me for something and I went in the trailer and I came out with what I thought he asked me for. And Jimmy was like, no, I need this. And I was like, ⁓ okay. He's like, Hey, grab me some Himes. off and I came back out. think I probably had like a fuel cell in my hand or something. don't know. ⁓ Jimmy's like, Corby, I think he was trying to say that he needs a drag link. And so I went back in and I looked all through that trailer. Sometimes we have 12 of them. the asshole. I came back out and I was like, Jimmy, I don't know what you're asking me. Jimmy goes, you need to go sit down. ⁓ Jim Gardner: It just, I'll take care of it. It ain't no big deal. I got it. ⁓ yeah. Slim Pushins: we're going to get this thing back in the trailer. Get yourself some chili fries. is the same, you know, and my daughter was there for that night. I think that it makes you rethink it during the week. And it's the same concept. Whenever you put on the helmet. mean, I know you, Jeb, you're there to win that race, you know, no matter who's around you. if you can't get in a race car and say that, then do you remember, ⁓ speaking of like her being there, do you remember the night at Waco? ⁓ when you just Tommy tipped over that the, the nerf bar went into your ankle. But nobody knew that. So nobody knew that. It was literally just a Tommy tip over. It's funny how that works. Doesn't it, Jim? you're that disappointing dad figure. was just a Tommy tip over. It a Tommy tip over. And, I think the car was Jim Gardner: How's everything turned into me being mad at somebody? Whoa! Alright. Slim Pushins: Again back to what we were talking about. I didn't think the car was that bad. It's the same concept like Dave Sandler I saw him unstrapped and get out, I took off across over there. was limping and he was mad because we were in a ⁓ battle in Waco. Yeah. And he was, we were just trying to, yeah, we were just trying to finish and got there and he was, you can just when, when you spend as much time together as we all do, you know, when somebody's upset. Jim Gardner: I lost on the title. Slim Pushins: So I got over there and we were right close to turn four. So to get off the track, had to go the length of the front stretch and get off in, in one. And was like, is it that bad? He was like, it's all just torn shit. My ankles hurt. I don't know if it's bleeding or not. was like, all right, get on the forklift. And he goes, no. And I go, get on the forklift. I mean the forklift, get on the four wheeler. And he's like, nah. So he just starts walking. Like I'm so I'm now on this forklift next four wheeler next to him and he's 10 feet now behind me. So I had whipped this thing around and I'm driving next to him walking down the front stretch. And I was like, get on the four wheeler. And he goes, huh, I gotta walk this off. And I was like, all right, at this point you're making me look stupid. Get on the four wheeler. We look crazy right now. Yeah. He's like, I go get on and he goes, no, I gotta walk this off. And I was like, fine. Look like a dumb ass. So I take off down the front stretch and Jim Gardner: Everybody's like wow look at the jerk on the four-wheeler not letting them on Slim Pushins: his daughter was with Jim there at track exit and she had ⁓ her mind ⁓ whatever reason. Like she just, from her point of view or whatever, she had, she just the worst, but she's seen worse. for sure. But yeah, I mean the same, like she seen me hurt plenty of times, but she saw me limp in and it's the same concept of, know, they know what's going on too. And they know that I'm not okay if I'm just trying to walk it off and I needed to walk it off. ⁓ I just, I just needed to take a couple steps. Not at the expense of me looking stupid. Jim Gardner: mean, that, you know, Brooklyn a lot, you know, has put a lot into Corby's racing career there too. You know, I mean, on the, on the competitive front, on the competitive front, you know, and, it means a lot to us and it means a lot to our folks and, and to the crew guys and everything like that. So, I mean, you know, take stuff personally and want everybody to do well and what it doesn't go well, you know, people have. Slim Pushins: I she has up a lot of time in that shop for sure. Jim Gardner: have emotions and the kids are exactly the same way, you know. Slim Pushins: That's the same, you know, talking about your dad, Jeb, mean, your dad, y'all have been through downs, lows, valleys, you know, it's a family thing. ⁓ for sure. For sure. And then like that, that bad wreck, the wreck that happened at Devil's bowl. My parents actually in ⁓ Miami, Florida vacation ⁓ and they just watching it live on whoever had it on live on Facebook and they saw that. ⁓ And so was just. me and Savannah at the racetrack. And I even sat on the way to Devil's bowl because I was the first non-wing race they had. Didn't you tell me y'all had just been together like or four months? Yeah, it was not very long. Yeah, not very long at all. And still married you. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. But we on the way to the racetrack and I was like, yeah, that's the first time that they ran non-wing sprint cars at Devil's bowl since like the fifties or sixties. I was like, if, ⁓ if flips here, they're going home in an ⁓ ambulance. I was that guy. It was a win-win. Yeah, I was the guy. All right. Jim Gardner: Spoke it into existence. Slim Pushins: All right. Uh, along the lines of Rex, there's a couple of stories from the chili bowl that one of them made the highlight reel that I want to know more about the old Corby. What did you call it? The old, the old California. Hello. California. Hello. Um, yeah, it was two years ago. No, it was four. Four. Yeah. It was four years ago. Yeah. Four years ago. Um, I think it was in the, B main? think it was too. I think it was the B main to get into the prelim night A main I was running in a transfer spot and be honest here you're no slouch at the chili bowl. You're super competitive anytime you ever show up there. I'm ⁓ you know have been it like these last couple years I've kind of struggled a little bit but besides this fact you know we usually do we got a very great team ⁓ second opinion auto is amazing they have very amazing equipment, very top of the line. There's no slouch there. so ⁓ were running the B main and had a car throw a ⁓ clear slider at all. Not even close. Not even close. It was like right rear to left rear. Sent me over the cushion and yeah, there a, I jumped out of the car and I was a little frustrated. And so I jumped out there and they had it live on TV and shot them the ⁓ Then there was all these memes that came out of it. And in my interview, whenever they asked what happened, I told them I got well powed. And then there was all these of me with just pow and they a Lex go, Brandon flag off my middle finger. Like it was all sort of, yeah. Yeah. I'll you some of those. was pretty wild. See if we can't get ahold of some of those memes. ⁓ Well, it's same thing. Like it goes back to, you know, they don't advertise a chili bowl. And people forget just how massive race truly is. ⁓ like that, you getting out the car and doing something that in the moment you were emotional and now you have to live with it for the rest of your life. ⁓ it's so uncharacteristic for you too. I've raced with you enough that like I've the goods and the bads and you're the same guy that gets out of the car every time. So to see you an expletive like wha-pow. It was wha-powed man. got wha-powed. Yeah, I usually... I tend to usually have a cooler head, but you know, at a race like that, your emotions are so high and were just, we were in the transfer spot to go to the prelim night, a main and ⁓ goal there every year is to make my prelim night a main. And then everything after that is just a positive. And that second opinion team, put so much time and effort into just that one week of race in a year that just wanted to do good. And I wanted to let them know that I was frustrated. We didn't make it across. You think you got, you think he received the message? I think he did. Well, and then the, then so they, so they towed my track, my car off the track and then they took the green again. And then that same driver did it in the same exact spot that next lab. Um, so they ended up black, black flagging him, which is pretty rare. is. You gotta be pretty over the top. You get kicked out of the chili. So it was two in a row in the same exact spot. And so, yeah. He deserved it. mean, let's be honest. mean, Jeb's a super calm guy for Jeb to be that way. That it was, it was very blatant what you were doing. You wasn't going to give no one an option. You've legitimately crossed a line when Jeb tosses the bird around. Yeah. And then what a two years later, was two years later, you got, remember you getting into a wreck, but I remember like wondering what, was broken, why you didn't keep going. And then later that evening, ⁓ Jim and I walked by your pit like, Hey, did it break a bunch? You're like, no, my feet went through the floorboard. went through the floorboard. So that was a, that was a brand new car after that. It was actually that next year after getting wha powed. so it actually had bent the frame on that wha pow crash. So we had a brand new car. It ⁓ all fiber, everything, including the floor pan. And I actually got together in the qualifier with Alex Bowman going down the back straight away into turn three and Yeah. Do that tumble. just got so much power with my legs. I just blasted through the carbon fiber and you need to be like a, you need to be like a tester for NASA on, stuff like that. Okay. So we can talk about that. We're talking about deep into race and like, the number ⁓ one J. So honestly, so when started racing go-karts, me, my, my and I both ⁓ race go-karts. ⁓ started when was four years old. Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: My sister started racing when she was eight. she actually started the year before I did ⁓ her number was 01. And then when I started racing, I was 02. And we ended up building a go-kart and it was getting close to race season. And in the garage, the only numbers we had left over, like sitting there ready to go was 01. And so we 01 on my car and it's just been 01 ever since. And then we just threw a J on there, just... It's really funny how stuff like that because it's why people chose specific numbers all over the board and that's a fine example of it of you ended up. How did you end up with 32? There was a, he's not an old racer. you lose a bet? No, no, there a racer from Texas, actually from the motorcycle days. His name is Hale. He was from Carrollton, Texas. And ⁓ he was And there's probably people that's going to listen to this. It's going to be really offended by this. But Mike Hale was the coolest guy that I knew at the time when I was really young. And I just thought it would be cool to carry on his number. And so whenever I turned pro on a motorcycle, I picked my number. I was 32. There's plenty of people that I looked up to racing around here that's probably going to be offended by that. But Mike Hale got it. You can only pick one person. sure. Do you have any superstitions? Oh, yeah. Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. Like when I even something as simple as if I have a rough night at work, I won't park in the same parking spot at work at work. I'll change it up and then I'll park in that same exact spot until I have another bad night. So it's the same thing with the races. when we load up the race car at the shop, there's two ways to exit the property and I'll take one exit until I crash or have a bad night. And then I'll flip around and we'll go the opposite way. Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: So it's, it's very superstitious. Same with like underwear. I won't wear the same underwear. If I have a bad night racing, underwear is getting thrown away. Thrown away, away. Underwear is getting thrown away. Yeah. So if you have a bad night, no more draws. No. Oh, well I'll wait till I get home. Yeah. right. All right. I can understand the confusion. What's he doing in that trailer up there? And then I mean, there's probably Jim Gardner: Comes out commando for for post race beers. Slim Pushins: three different t-shirts that I'll wear to the racetrack when I'm actually driving. Based on performance in the last t-shirt. then as soon as I have a bad night, I don't wear that t-shirt again and it probably will get thrown away too. For real? Yeah. I thought you were bad. It takes a lot. Jim Gardner: That's, that's so that Stoney LaRue shirt you're always wearing. We must've always run good when we did that. Huh? Okay. Yeah. Slim Pushins: Yeah, that one. And then there's a there's a legend supply one that it's like a skull with like flames and dice coming out. That's a that's a good one. That's cool. There's another one. This is the stuff that people have no clue. Yeah, this is we're doing the podcast. I'm a super weird guy. Superstitious. ⁓ yeah. I eat the same things the night before to that day. Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: I get dressed the same way. have like a weird little routine that I go through before we take the green. everything and it's, and now Jeb's gonna agree with this here. Everything was to put myself in the right mindset. Yeah. Yeah. It gets you in the zone. Go them. You can't just stop there. We can't. No, no fried chicken on race day. I'm, I'm agreeing. And then I actually don't eat chicken at all on race day. So not even grilled chicken. no peanuts. Really? Yeah. No, no, peanuts is a one. You can't have a $50 bill in your pocket. That's big Carson Bolden's mom. That's huge. I absolutely with the Bolden team. Yeah. I'll, I'll spend my fifties because they're fifties. Yeah. I wish I was, I wish I had enough money to have $50 bills. No, ⁓ I eat a subway sandwich every day that day of the race. And he makes the rest of his seat. Subway saying I've tried so ⁓ Jim Gardner: Those are pretty standard. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And. You you Slim Pushins: Can we go to Wendy's? Can we go to Arby's? Why would you even say it doesn't work? It doesn't work. A subway sandwich works. So there's a lot of things that I go through, which gloves the left glove always goes on The only thing I, if I have a bad night, then the next following, I'm probably going to the right, but you use logic when it comes to your superstitions. Now, if I crashed or like something bad happened, I messed up some way. Through that. Yes, there was something leading up to it that led to that bad. Absolutely. No doubt. Because clearly, I mean, I'm not going to make a mistake. mean, I'm not going to hit a tractor tire or getting Jeb's way or anything like that. Did you hear that, Jim? He said he wasn't going to hit a tractor tire because he because he ate like a teriyaki chicken subway sandwich. Oh, yeah. We had to eat tabletas the night before. It's Mexican short ribs. He's mad. He's mad. Jim Gardner: Yeah, right. Yeah, man. Yeah, and don't forget, Tapletas or whatever it is the night before that. Yeah, I've never had them. Never had them. Known the guy for 10 years. Never had them. Never been invited over. Slim Pushins: He's mad now. I should have started the show with this. He's mad now because we're doing the show tonight and the American flat track race is on. And I was, could have been sitting with Lucas eating tabletas. He texted me earlier in the week. He texted me earlier in the week. Like we were like we had planned a wedding or something during like a big race. Like, yeah, I'll have, we've got two TVs here in the studio. be on. You're not going to miss a thing. He's like, but tabletas. Jim Gardner: Yeah. Slim Pushins: Now I think that superstitions have to exist with people and if you don't have any I'm really concerned about you. You're just not admitting it. Everyone has something some form of routine that they go through. Same like I said before every green whenever I come off turn two, I do the same things. And so that I make sure my fuels on I make sure that my shields closed, make sure my gloves are pushed up. That's it just Jim Gardner: mean, are those superstitions or is that just? Slim Pushins: It just happens that it's three times for everything. Serial killer characteristics. I'll grab my fuel shutoff valve before we take the green, probably like 10, 15 times and make sure it's all the way on. Just cause I'm like, yeah, I'm like, maybe it's only crap. See, all learning stuff about Jeb cause he's such an even keel guy. I figured he just got in the car, didn't even. I mean, Jeb is, that's what I was saying. This is going to be a great show. Jeb's so just like mono whenever it comes to being around people. And even the majority of people in the pit area don't truly know Jeb Sessoms. Jim Gardner: ⁓ yeah, I Slim Pushins: I've had multiple people say like, know, before I've kind of actually got to know you over these like 10 years of being around and you finally started having conversations. thought you were just an asshole. like, ⁓ no, I just, ⁓ know, it's just, well, that's cause Jim hates people. ⁓ actually a nice guy. He just, he just, a of times he just doesn't speak first. ⁓ Jim the other hand, ⁓ doesn't you to speak to him. ⁓ Hey, off track. Jim Gardner: I still get that. I've been here for 10 years. Everybody thinks I'm the biggest prick. I don't. This is lies. That's not okay. That's not how it is. Slim Pushins: Outside of a racetrack, Jim is just like you, Jeb. the racetrack, he would rather, like, if you have a thought, keep it to yourself. Especially it came to setup because. Go ahead. You can speak your piece. Jim Gardner: Look, I, I walked through that pit gate. walked through that pit gate. I already have my friends. didn't come to get more. All right. I, most of the time making sure that everything's tight on the race car. Cause those are my buddies and I don't want to see them get hurt. And I don't want my, that ⁓ might say taco Casa on the side, but that's, that's got my face on the side. I'm touching it, you know, Slim Pushins: and become a different person. Jim Gardner: I'd have a lot of pride in that and I want, I want it to go fast and I want to win, most of it, I don't want it to fall apart. And, ⁓ Slim Pushins: 100%. I appreciate that. Cause there's many a times where I show up to the track and you're like, what the hell is this? like, I can tell you this. One of the times were going to be here. That's what happened. of the times, one of the times I got a wrench thrown at me was because he got to the track and started tightening all the bolts, making sure they were all tight. They weren't. Jim Gardner: I Well, I had warned you about that Kerbo because you and Corby were making Facebook dance videos and I think I commented on it. there's one bolt loose on that car, I'm going to throw a wrench at you ⁓ sure enough, the Panard bar bolt is loose. Slim Pushins: Well, lo and behold, lo and behold, that wrench caught me square in the back between the shoulders. Jim Gardner: I was a college football quarterback. I can throw the rent wherever I please. Alright, I'll you right between the numbers. Slim Pushins: I've seen your speed. ⁓ Jim Gardner: Well, I had a particular style and it wasn't Roman. Slim Pushins: But it wasn't running in all of us. It takes people like Jimmy to show up and Wesley McNorton and your dad, Jimmy check that stuff because not only are we, like you say, like going through our superstitions for the week, but we forget things. No doubt. You you, like you said, you, you do this for fun. You have a job during the week. You have a wife, you have a kid. There's just certain things that you just didn't reach down and put a wrench on. Yeah. Yeah, no doubt. it's easy, especially if it's ends up being a little bit time crunch. It's easy to leave one loose and. Would you if you were Jim, hypothetically, if you were Jim and we know the way that he thinks, would you have let Corby and I go to a racetrack by ourselves? No crew. Just just Corby and I. Yeah, why not? We did. We did it one of five. I want the record to show. I want the record to show. I, I'm 100%. I win 100 % of the time when I'm a crew chief solo mission crew chief. That's, mean, that's solid. now that's a, that's a whole of a tracker. Now. Yeah. Yep. I got a lot of champagne bottles that we didn't. Yeah. Yeah. Now I'm a famous podcast co-host since Corby won't let me call myself a host anymore. Uh, Jim Gardner: Yeah, you won that one. Yeah, that's right. You should retire on that percentage curve. Now you're in media. You Slim Pushins: It's funny you say that 105. What about like, uh, like caution lap signs? Do you, I've never seen your dad give you signs. Jim scared to give you signs because he's like, if he's, he, he parks, he doesn't want to hear from us. Jim Gardner: Well, he parked so far away. know he doesn't want me to and who am I? I'm a mechanic who sometimes runs 13th. I'm not gonna give him driving tips. Slim Pushins: So that has kind of, through the years, have kind of ran my dad up the wall a little bit, is not attempting to park nearby so he can. Jim Gardner: You don't park anywhere close. You go as far away as possible and then in the infield. We're at RPM and you parked further away than anywhere I could have even got to you. Slim Pushins: But you hold on in He was in the parking lot trailer was closer to us then hold on in Jeb's defense like it was me and my brothers and like we would go out of our way they would be yelling at us on the race saver to stop to go and Park by thing. I want to get kicked out of the damn off the racetrack because all the sherbs are ducking and diving to get over to the back straightaway, but like so with my dad The reason I don't really ⁓ try to pull anywhere close is because my dad is very superstitious as well. And so if there's a bad night, he's not going to stand in that same spot. So he's going to move. So I learned back in the micro days that I had no luck on trying to look for him because he might be on the opposite side of the racetrack because we had a previous bad night. Do know, do you know, do you have an idea of where each of us are? mean, it's always amazed me. Let me preface what I'm about to say, but what I'm about to ask by this. Jim Gardner: you Slim Pushins: It's always amazed me in car, you can see your crew members, ⁓ whether looking for signs or not. ⁓ Do know, do you have an idea where we are? I say we ⁓ the couple of years that I was helping you. ⁓ have awareness where anybody is outside. ⁓ It's just race car. Zero awareness. Yeah. Zero awareness. ⁓ mean, ⁓ might some tips now because he knows now that I've Jim Gardner: He doesn't care. What tips are we going to give him? Slim Pushins: I win a hundred percent of the races that I crew chief for. Now, if I happen to like stop, you know, somewhere on the track and I see someone that I could visibly see, I'll give them a nice little wave. Corby just waves at chicks on front stretch. That was the difference. Like I, I wanted to hear something. I wanted to know if I was doing something right, doing something wrong. There was sometimes that Kerbo sat behind me while I absolutely just threw a fit about my drive. Where were we that night? It was KSP for sure. I always ask the same question. Well, also Jim Gardner: I mean, that's Right. Slim Pushins: my phone during a red flag, my phone goes nuts. Well, this is the same thing. Like me and my brothers and Jeb doesn't necessarily have that. Like my brothers are watching if they're not there, you know, it's the same car. Wesley's in the stands. So I always wanted to know what I was doing right. What I was doing wrong, where Jeb was about to pass me. I wanted to know something. Yeah. So I'm, I'm, I'm getting text messages, Lucas, Merle, Wesley and Jim. Jim Gardner: ⁓ boy. All right. Slim Pushins: Okay. Merle telling me needs to run the high side. Everybody's got a lot of speed coming. Lucas tell him if he doesn't get down low, he's not going to be able to pass anybody. And then there's Jim like, Hey, make sure that left rear hasn't dropped two inches. Yeah. I mean, ⁓ now and then, like whenever someone pulls up to push me off, I might ask, you know, do I need to do something different? But I mean, for the most part, I know where the car ⁓ feels what it's capable of comfortable. I don't know if it what it's capable of more of what I'm capable of. ⁓ like there's sometimes that you have a top five car and that's all you got. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I'm ⁓ place solid and that's what I'm gonna get if I get Yeah. Yeah. ⁓ Jim Gardner: There's a lot of context. You might not have brakes. You might, you know, the motor might be hanging. There's so much other stuff going on inside that cockpit that you can't see from the outside. Mostly it's Slim Pushins: I pulled up behind Corby one time. I always thought it was Waco. It was KSP. I pulled up behind Corby. It's usually, usually the same. ⁓ try, I have to take the temperature first. It's like, Hey, how's feel? Like what's going on? Right. ⁓ That lets me ⁓ what's going happen next. Right. And Corby and I Corby, one thing about Corby is you have to All four of those boys were completely different with Corby. If you don't get him out of his head, then he makes mistakes and he'll tell you that. So you have to get Corby. I always felt like one of my jobs was to keep things light and get him out of his head. So I don't know what the general public thinks. Like what, what people on, you know, the general race fan thinks, happens during red flags. They can clearly see us talking to our drivers and stuff. Corby. ⁓ Corby and I were not 90 % of the time. We're not talking racing whatsoever. We were talking like, Hey, can I finish those fries that you didn't, that you started when we get back to the trailer? Can I have those or whatever? Where are we going to stop when we leave here or more laps? can't wait till this thing's over. very much not like, I like consume myself with the race. Cause that's whenever I get nervous. My, my best thing is, ⁓ having like Jeb and Chad and Carson and rider like to joke around with and enjoy the moment. Yeah. Even, even under red flags, like I need to almost like separate myself from the race. Yeah. No doubt. Yeah. Sometimes you gotta kind of have that little mental break. KSP will not ask him, I was like, how's it feel? What's going on in your response? I'm a bad word, bad word, little girl and needs to learn how to drive. And we were at ASP. To me, not at me. And I was so mad at him. And I was just like, I just, like almost like unstrap myself and turn around and I said, what the am I doing right now? And he was like, Oh no, you, you, you sounds like you got, you, sounds like you got it all in a control, buddy. About to go back into yellow. We're going to get you, we're going to get you started. just one of those nights that started out on the bottom at, um, KSP. And then it went to the wall and it was just like a small little curb on the wall and it was all the way on the wall. I took the lead and I led for like three or four laps. And then I got drove by and I was like, there's no way it's going to work. And then someone else drove by me and I'm like, shit. I gotta go do it. It's not working. Yeah, I have to go do it now. And I needed that red flag to like, rethink my thoughts and cuss at myself for a second to just go to the top and be a man. Because you'll you'll agree with me. I mean, whenever it gets slipped to the wall, and it's faster on the wall, that Canada was sketching a deal. Canada will get you. Yeah, it definitely will get you. I have I have bent many a Jacob's ladders and collapsed right rear wheels and everything coming out of two straightaway wall just wants to reach out and get you know, it gets a lot of the wrecks out there. Well, it gets so skaty right there on exit of two. And I think a lot of times you might agree with me. It's always really good getting into one and it just fades away so quick. Yeah, it's just goes to glass all of a sudden. And that person in front of me is not better than me. So I'm going to go pass him. Right? Yeah. Yeah. I got this. I, Corbyn, I used to, we would play games. It started in Abilene one time or, know, Abilene's got, I don't know. What does that turn for? It's got that wide open. It's got that wide open, um, where you can exit, you can exit off to the right. So we were under caution and Jim Gardner: It's got three other ones too. Slim Pushins: you know, dads and crew chiefs, we all kind of filed down there and they're all given normal signals. I just started throwing baseball signs at Corby and he waved at me and gave me a quick rev. And they were all looking at me like, I don't, that dude just fed him so much information. They're like, what did you tell him? And I was like, I can't, I'll let you know after we win this, we didn't win. But there were a lot of times because Corby just for whatever reason, Corp, he knew that I couldn't offer him. I can't offer anything about it. The 105 rate. Jim Gardner: You Slim Pushins: So we started 12th at night and we got all the way to the lead and every time there was like 15 cautions at night and every time I looked down he gave me this shovel sign like keep digging and I'm in the lead so I'm thinking in my head like if Wesley or Jimmy gave me that sign that means they're they're all right there. That's what it means to you? So yeah yes like yes okay and so if you do something like there were like 13 cautions in this thing and I was crazy nervous. Jim Gardner: You Get tough, baby. Slim Pushins: nervous right well no I wasn't gonna give him the there's not zero percent chance I up would have been I wasn't gonna give him the wide arms like hey you've got like half track I I came home the next day and watched the race and I called him and I cut 7 a.m. what are you doing my phone rings what in the hell is wrong with you and I was like ⁓ night huh we Jim Gardner: a five-hour tow down there. He won the race by 11 seconds. Slim Pushins: That was a big one. was a big one. Jim can shove it. We can win races without that guy. It's absolutely unnecessary risk. is no reason to drive through lap Absolutely on the edge. Yeah. We lapped. We lapped up to like sixth because of me. No, that's not good. We didn't need to. Jim Gardner: What? The ultimate motivator Slim Pushins: keep digging. I see second place on the same straightaway as me. I gave the kept digging sign so much. I could have dug my grave. ⁓ Corby, I never know. I don't know if it's my eyes or he doesn't give me clear signals that he's seen me. ⁓ out of probably, I don't know, eight to 10 cautions and probably 25 caution laps, I bet I gave him the kept keep digging sign 70 times. Jim Gardner: you Slim Pushins: And I, cause I didn't know, I asked him after the race, I was like, Hey, did you see me? He's like, yeah. How close were they to me? like, Oh, you had a half lap. And he's like, what? I mean, we're not from down south. knew Trey Smith was right behind me and Trey's always good. So he's telling me to keep digging. I'm like, Trey's right there. Yeah. We've, I can't tell you how many times we've had conversations. was not the case at all. No, he was, I don't remember the exact time lapse, but you were, you won that race. I think I won by half a straightaway. It was way too much. least. Way too much. People were talking about us in the stands. It was, it was a long night, but all right. Let's talk conspiracy theories. Let's, let's talk. Let's get to know the real Jeb. Those of you that don't know Jeb. I gotta be careful. I'm not going to say, don't know if the government's listening to this talk.