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August 21, 2026 | Education Friday · The M&M Experience

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Speaker 3: Wouldn't it such a you're such a tool, You're you're
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Speaker 2: But but I mean, I love the idea of a
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Speaker 3: telling you, and this might be a good tip for
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Speaker 3: even our daily shows. Away from the podcast. I think
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Speaker 3: people are politicked out right now, and they like a
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Speaker 3: little diversion from the x'es and o's of Republicans and
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Speaker 3: Democrats and DSA and conservatism and leftism and all that.
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Speaker 3: And in fact I used to do these as topics
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Speaker 3: all the time back in the day. Eric Hanson, who's
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Speaker 3: been with me for twenty five twenty six years, Eric said, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: those are the days we used to do. What do
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Speaker 3: you do when you sat next to it? Sit next
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Speaker 3: to a fat person on an airplane and we could
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Speaker 3: do three hours on that.
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Speaker 2: You could do three hours on that at the time
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Speaker 2: it could be headed to the earth and nobody's going
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Speaker 2: to peel you away from that.
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Speaker 3: Is that is the right? And so Friday could be
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Speaker 3: our day of doing stuff that's not political, that's different.
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Speaker 3: Like today's show, we're going to focus on education and
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Speaker 3: you're going to take the lead on this, which I'm
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Speaker 3: looking forward to question, you know, But I like that
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Speaker 3: about doing stuff that might be kind of out of
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Speaker 3: our typical political wheelhouse. So stay tuned for Fridays always
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Speaker 3: kind of being maybe a theme show day with Mark
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Speaker 3: and Mike every day on the podcast.
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Speaker 2: So to do education Friday, I envisioned a little bit
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Speaker 2: from both column A and column B, and that is
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Speaker 2: in a bit, I want to get to some of
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Speaker 2: our recollections of your schooling my schooling what it was like.
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Speaker 2: And listen, some of the young whipper snappers just may
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Speaker 2: not believe what it was like to be in, you know,
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Speaker 2: sixth grade in nineteen sixty eight or something like that.
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Speaker 2: And so maybe that'll be of some benefit. But as
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Speaker 2: a societal question and ultimately political policy question, let's take
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Speaker 2: our first couple of moments and talk a little bit
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Speaker 2: about the state of education in America before we get
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Speaker 2: to our individual stories. Is it is Listen, you want
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Speaker 2: to know one way you could fill up phone lines.
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Speaker 2: It would be like a shooting fish in a barrel. Hey,
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Speaker 2: everybody bag on public education. Boom. Trump could resign and
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Speaker 2: you couldn't peel people off of baging on public education,
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Speaker 2: which it richly deserves in some ways. And yet I'm
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Speaker 2: a product of the public schools a Prince George's County, Maryland.
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Speaker 2: I'm aware of all kinds of public school systems right
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Speaker 2: here around North Texas, my native Texas, and they buy
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Speaker 2: and large do a magnificent job in so many ways
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Speaker 2: teachers or heroes. To me, it's a calling. I think
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Speaker 2: the public education probably gets dragged a little too much,
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Speaker 2: maybe in some ways not enough. What's your general overview
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Speaker 2: the broadest question ever, State of public education in America
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six.
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Speaker 3: Mike Gallaga, Well, let's start with my love and admiration
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Speaker 3: for one of my sons, who is in fact a
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Speaker 3: fifth grade special ed teacher at a charter school. And
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Speaker 3: he has been so exemplary in his journey to become
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Speaker 3: a teacher over the years. I love and admire him
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Speaker 3: so much. This is the son who was involved in
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Speaker 3: a horrific head on car crash in Arlington, Texas a
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Speaker 3: few years ago where he was nearly killed. He broke
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Speaker 3: just about every bone. Imagine, it was a horrific accident.
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Speaker 3: He has been and he's the he of the four boys.
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Speaker 3: He's the real athletic, physical one, and he was the
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Speaker 3: one who winds up coming down with type one diabetes
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Speaker 3: when he was a teenager, so he has dealt with
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Speaker 3: that all of his life. He's had a partial amputation
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Speaker 3: of one of one of his feet because of his diabetes,
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Speaker 3: so he has really had a very tough, tough road
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Speaker 3: to hoe and yet he has such a joyful existence
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Speaker 3: with his life as a teacher. He's making a difference
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Speaker 3: in these kids' lives. He's dealing with a lot of
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Speaker 3: kids who are from socioeconomic challenged communities, largely minority school
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Speaker 3: things that I mean he had he called me last year,
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Speaker 3: had a gun pulled on him. Uh in school, Yep.
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Speaker 3: I mean, it's the real deal here. And yet he
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Speaker 3: just lives for the education of young people, of the
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Speaker 3: minds that he can impact, the hearts and the souls
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Speaker 3: that he can touch. So you're right, I have such
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Speaker 3: a special place in my heart for the teaching profession,
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Speaker 3: and it's making me take on a whole different look
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Speaker 3: at the way I view the education in America. I
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Speaker 3: don't think we give enough credit to teachers. I don't
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Speaker 3: think we have enough respect for these men and women
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Speaker 3: who are and often putting everything on the line for
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Speaker 3: those kids, for that classroom full of young minds that
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Speaker 3: they can influence. So I just I have an enormous,
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Speaker 3: enormous respect for the profession. You're right, they are heroic,
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Speaker 3: they are are and I just keep thinking of my son.
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Speaker 3: So in terms of the state of education, the other day,
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Speaker 3: I saw a post on x that the Oregon governor
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Speaker 3: this is the post the Oregon governor has decided to
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Speaker 3: get rid of reading, writing, and arithmetic from the Oregon
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Speaker 3: public schools because of how unfair it is to black.
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Speaker 2: Studient because numbers are racist.
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Speaker 3: Right now. I saw that and I thought, oh my lord, well,
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Speaker 3: as it turns out it was satire. It turned out
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Speaker 3: that it's going to say, please let that be U snow,
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Speaker 3: not the snows, but the onion. It was. It was, Yeah,
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Speaker 3: it was a battle on bee.
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Speaker 2: It was.
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Speaker 3: It was satire. But the scary part is we I
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Speaker 3: believed it. I thought, yep, that's about par for the court.
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Speaker 2: There are some there are some parody adjacent stories that
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Speaker 2: are absolutely real in terms of dumbing things down, in
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Speaker 2: terms of saying even habitually or habits of things that
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Speaker 2: like studying and and turning stuff in on time is
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Speaker 2: kind of a white thing. What that? That's how the
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Speaker 2: system is screwing people left, right up and down. So
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Speaker 2: you're so right about the heroic teachers, administrators, people individually
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Speaker 2: do an incredible job in a system that has some
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Speaker 2: really serious viruses running through it of wokeism, of failure
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Speaker 2: to demand things. In fact, let me just say, it
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Speaker 2: sounds so, uh, are today's kids just dumber? And I
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Speaker 2: don't mean inherently, but I mean all I see is
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Speaker 2: these college professors getting incoming freshmen saying I'm getting kids
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Speaker 2: who walk in with freshly minted high school diplomas who
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Speaker 2: could not read or write their way out of a
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Speaker 2: paper bag. Right, and we see that that didn't used
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Speaker 2: to be the case, right, No, it.
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Speaker 3: Wasn't the case. In fact, if you have to put
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Speaker 3: it on a bell curve or a learning curve, you'd
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Speaker 3: have to acknowledge that the standards have been greatly watered down.
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Speaker 3: You hear this all the time about school districts that
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Speaker 3: are well below the national average in terms of reading, ecumen, spelling, writing,
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Speaker 3: and I don't quite follow it completely. I don't really
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Speaker 3: understand it. You know, our kids, My kids are grown
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Speaker 3: and gone, they're all adults, so it's been a while.
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Speaker 3: I don't like to bag I'm with you. I don't
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Speaker 3: like to bag on the public school system. Like you
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Speaker 3: keep thinking of all the women and men that are
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Speaker 3: in there toiling away, and it's not fair to them. However,
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Speaker 3: if the standardized testing has been so diluted and so
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Speaker 3: you know, greatly reduced, well you're going to have allows
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Speaker 3: your result. Now. On the other hand, how many kids
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Speaker 3: are able to hop on the iPhone and figure out
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Speaker 3: an algebra problem or go to chat GPT. I think
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Speaker 3: there's a sophistication that kids possess. They may not be
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Speaker 3: able to write an essay, but I'll bet they can
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Speaker 3: figure out how to rebuild a car engine because they've
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Speaker 3: got that phone constantly at their side.
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Speaker 2: Yep. The modern world I think has some ways that
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Speaker 2: kids can be gifted more quickly in ways that didn't
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Speaker 2: used to be. But silly, greedy me, I would like
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Speaker 2: for them to be able to have those technological tools
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Speaker 2: and still be able to write a three hundred page essay,
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Speaker 2: which they're kids who can eat no more fly to
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Speaker 2: the moon than they can put together one coherent sentence
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Speaker 2: in front of another. And that's before you even get
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Speaker 2: to the notion of reading. I mean, there was a
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Speaker 2: literature class I took in high school that had had
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Speaker 2: us reading three four books in a semester. As like,
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Speaker 2: oh lord, I don't even like some of these things.
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Speaker 2: But I thought through it, and I've actually felt like
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Speaker 2: it was working a muscle that I needed to have
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Speaker 2: the ability to consume things, analyze literature, see what I
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Speaker 2: thought about stuff, just kind of play the game. That's
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Speaker 2: what so much of education is is kind of learning
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Speaker 2: how to play the game and exercise a bunch of
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Speaker 2: muscles you may or may not need, you're just a
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Speaker 2: broader person. I think those days are gone, the ability
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Speaker 2: to get the actual reading and writing. I just we
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Speaker 2: are absolutely cranking out far less literate kids than we
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Speaker 2: used to. And I don't know what that poortends for
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Speaker 2: the future.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, but it may not be so bad. And let
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Speaker 3: me give you a gentle pushback on this, because I'm
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Speaker 3: going to have to be very blunt here. I think
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Speaker 3: the necessity of an education for every single kid is overstated.
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Speaker 3: I think it is sort of the you know, back
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Speaker 3: in we had illiterate kids, We had kids who could
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Speaker 3: write essays. I have struggled with this my whole life
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Speaker 3: because on a very and the thing about the podcast
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Speaker 3: M and M Extra, I'm I don't know, I'm not
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Speaker 3: I'm speaking for you, but for me, I'm willing to
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Speaker 3: get a little bit more personal than I probably would
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Speaker 3: on the show. On the talk show, it's a different audience,
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Speaker 3: it's a different environment. Look, admittedly, it's a smaller audience
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Speaker 3: because it's podcast and we have millions of people that
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Speaker 3: listen to the Mike Gallagher Show and the Mark Davis
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Speaker 3: Show every week, So I'm probably going to get more
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Speaker 3: personal here in this subject than I normally would. I'm
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Speaker 3: also sensitive to not bringing everybody down and not making
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Speaker 3: trying to make people think I want you to feel
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Speaker 3: sorry for me, because I don't want you to feel
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Speaker 3: sorry for me. But the trouble when you first introduced
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Speaker 3: this as a topic is that I had a I
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Speaker 3: did have a really rough, rough childhood. My dad was
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Speaker 3: sick from time I was about six or seven years old,
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Speaker 3: and all I remember actually when I was five years old.
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Speaker 3: He got leukemia when I was five, and all I
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Speaker 3: remember our hospitals and doctors' visits and terrible diagnoses, and
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Speaker 3: that was my childhood. And he died when I was
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Speaker 3: eleven years old on Christier. So elementary school for you
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Speaker 3: was this, That was this. That's all I think of
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Speaker 3: in elementary school. And then not only not only of
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Speaker 3: course again in dying when I was eleven. Then that
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Speaker 3: was right into junior high. And then I'm dealing with
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Speaker 3: a single parent. My mom, who God rest her soul,
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Speaker 3: did everything possible to take up, you know, take up
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Speaker 3: the slack of not having a husband or a father.
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Speaker 3: I had an older sister, who was never around. She
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Speaker 3: went off to be a nun actually, and so she
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Speaker 3: was gone and absent from largely from my life growing up,
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Speaker 3: and so for me, elementary school was tough and I
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Speaker 3: look my sister happily pointed out that they thought I
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Speaker 3: was really troubled and disturbed. In fact, she used it
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Speaker 3: as a weapon against me in later years by saying, well,
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Speaker 3: we all thought something was wrong with you because you
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Speaker 3: were acting out in class.
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Speaker 2: Yeah.
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Speaker 3: I lost my dad on Christmas Day. My mom was
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Speaker 3: trying to raise me. I didn't have any siblings. I
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Speaker 3: was a latchkey kid living at home. I'd get home
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Speaker 3: from school at two or three in the afternoon. My
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Speaker 3: mom was at work as a legal secretary, so I
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Speaker 3: had to come up with ways to keep myself. I
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Speaker 3: really had a tough, tough childhood. Now. I didn't realize
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Speaker 3: any of this until many years later. I was convinced
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Speaker 3: that I was bad. That my sister convinced me that
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Speaker 3: I was a bad, rotten kid who caused my mom
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Speaker 3: headaches because I was. I acted out in school and
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Speaker 3: I would get it and I didn't do anything serious,
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Speaker 3: nothing bad ever happened, but I would I would act up,
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Speaker 3: and I would get disciplined or whatever, and it was
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Speaker 3: it took me a long time years to learn. Well,
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Speaker 3: of course I was was. I was hurting. I was
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Speaker 3: I was grief stricken. I was scared. I didn't have
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Speaker 3: my dad anymore. I didn't I barely had my mom.
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Speaker 3: And so for me, and and I'm gonna get to
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Speaker 3: the funny part about this in a minute.
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Speaker 2: But but that's but there is some comedy coming, There
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Speaker 2: is comedy. Grateful, I'm just I'm going to continue to
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Speaker 2: shut up. I'm so grateful for this space. Keep that well.
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Speaker 3: I feel. And I don't want to burden I don't
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Speaker 3: want to you or anybody with with my tails of
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Speaker 3: wool talk about life.
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Speaker 2: Some of it's going to be, yeah, some of it's
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Speaker 2: going to be dreadful, kind of like everybody listening and watching,
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Speaker 2: just no, but please roll.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just it's just it's a it's a lot
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Speaker 3: of painful memories. And so I don't mind sharing in
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Speaker 3: this space here with you about kind of what I
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Speaker 3: went through as a kid. But let me let me
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Speaker 3: bring you to the comedic part, because there there is
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Speaker 3: a very famous Catholic book called do Black Patent leather
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Speaker 3: shoes really reflect up. I remember this book from years ago,
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Speaker 3: and the joke is that Catholic schoolgirls would wear black
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Speaker 3: patent leather shoes and the boys could look at the
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Speaker 3: shoes and go the you're over here, look at that
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Speaker 3: black patent. But it's all about getting a Catholic education.
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Speaker 3: Well I was. I got a Catholic school education. I
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Speaker 3: went to Catholic grade school and a Catholic high school.
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Speaker 3: I was raised a Catholic. Now when I married Denise,
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Speaker 3: I became a Methodist. People get mad at me because
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Speaker 3: they think I fell away from the coma fallen Catholic
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Speaker 3: and all this crap. I wasn't. It was just you know,
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Speaker 3: I'm a Christian. I believe in God and Jesus is
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Speaker 3: my savior. But you know I was raised a Catholic.
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Speaker 3: Let me tell you about the nuns who educate kids
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Speaker 3: in a Catholic grade school. There isn't a linebacker on
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Speaker 3: the Dallas Cowboys meaner than these these little nuns. And
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Speaker 3: that's you talk about traumatic. So if I don't have
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Speaker 3: enough trauma dealing with my personal life and my family,
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Speaker 3: then I'd go to school and face Sister Rosina. Sister
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Speaker 3: Rosina stood about five foot one. She was a little
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Speaker 3: little nun. Wore the habit and everything. She had, the
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Speaker 3: round specks, she had the round glasses. Stereotypical nun right
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Speaker 3: out of central casting. Let me tell you something. She
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Speaker 3: could punch you so hard that and I mean punch
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Speaker 3: with a closed fist. You misbehaved in school, she'd stroll
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Speaker 3: up to you and Mark Laura's my witness. She would
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Speaker 3: cold cock you in the face with a closed fist.
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Speaker 3: She'd rear back and she would punch you in the mouth.
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Speaker 3: And she punched me one day so hard I almost
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Speaker 3: got knocked out. I saw stars. I fell out of
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Speaker 3: my chair. She hit me. She split my lip, and
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Speaker 3: it's the old joke about Catholic families. After she split
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Speaker 3: my lip because I was misbehaving in class and talking
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Speaker 3: to Barry Wobbler, one of the kid next to me
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Speaker 3: in this in my desk, I got in trouble when
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Speaker 3: I got home with my mom. Why did you make
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Speaker 3: sister Rosina mad at you? I'm like, well, Mom, she
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Speaker 3: punched me in the mouth. Well, you probably had it coming.
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Speaker 3: You had it to There is a the perception and
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Speaker 3: the stereotype mark of a Catholic school upbringing all true.
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Speaker 2: It's true. I thought a story lay ahead where somebody
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Speaker 2: got their knuckles wrapped with a ruler.
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Speaker 3: Oh no, closed, not a slap. She reared up. She
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Speaker 3: could have given Muhammad Ali lessons. I mean she was
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Speaker 3: Joe Fraser. Nothing on Sister Rosina and those nuns. They
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Speaker 3: were mean. They were mean then they were humorless. They
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Speaker 3: were now. Some of them were wonderful, some of them
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Speaker 3: were warm and loving. But some of them, Oh my lord.
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Speaker 3: I'll never never say.
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Speaker 2: You graduate seventy eight ish.
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Speaker 3: From high school in nineteen seventy eight, you correct from
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Speaker 3: a Catholic high school.
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Speaker 2: And you're walking the stage with whatever battle scars you
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Speaker 2: have endured. Did you look back? Listen? It now becomes
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Speaker 2: one of the most It's funny. I'm in a way
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Speaker 2: I don't want to say I regret it. I'm incredibly
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Speaker 2: grateful for it because and said, hey, we'll talk about
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Speaker 2: our schooling. Yours is saddled with so many amazing, amazing
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Speaker 2: and daunting challenges that almost becomes a dumb question, but
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Speaker 2: I'm going to ask it anyway. Do you then look
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Speaker 2: back on the Catholic education or the education you had
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Speaker 2: and feel largely positive about it and feel largely or
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Speaker 2: is it just kind of a continuing wound?
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Speaker 3: It hurt. But I'll tell you that part of it
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Speaker 3: is that I always hated school. And now you mentioned
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Speaker 3: a moment ago, and I can't wait to hear your story.
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Speaker 3: And I opened up and shared the world with the
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Speaker 3: world sort of my stuff, and I want to hear
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Speaker 3: about your stuff, your grade school, your junior high, your
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Speaker 3: high school.
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Speaker 2: Raccrates as well, I'm sharing now you're crazy great.
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Speaker 3: But yeah, well that's what I mean, and I love it.
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Speaker 3: But I love that. But and seeing in my case,
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Speaker 3: I lived for the extracurricular stuff. That's all I cared
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Speaker 3: about was the extra curriculars. I love being in the plays.
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Speaker 3: I love being in the band. I was in the chorus.
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Speaker 3: I live for all of that. I was the school. Look,
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Speaker 3: I got my broadcasting career launched.
19:22
Speaker 2: In morning and high school.
19:24
Speaker 3: I was the morning announcer. I did the morning announcements,
19:27
Speaker 3: Good morning, It's Monday, August the twenty second I hear
19:31
Speaker 3: your sisters, let's yeah, no, I did. But I loved it.
19:34
Speaker 3: And you know what, I felt like, I was a
19:36
Speaker 3: little celebrity. I was walking around the halls of Shamanna
19:39
Speaker 3: Julian and I was. I was the announcer for the
19:42
Speaker 3: morning announcements, and I kind of I really was so
19:44
Speaker 3: pathetic that I thought, well, I'm kind of a I'm
19:46
Speaker 3: a broadcaster here, I'm a.
19:48
Speaker 2: I'm a d jo a little Did everybody know you
19:50
Speaker 2: would have an actual talk show moments after graduating from
19:53
Speaker 2: high school?
19:53
Speaker 3: If not before, correct that my senior year I went
19:56
Speaker 3: down and took a tour of the local talk radio
19:59
Speaker 3: station and fell in love with it. And I was
20:01
Speaker 3: a talk show host when I was seventeen, eighteen years old.
20:03
Speaker 2: Well served by it ever since.
20:05
Speaker 3: But went to your good question about the memory of
20:08
Speaker 3: it and did it hurt and all that. I hated
20:11
Speaker 3: the academic process of school. And that's why whenever I
20:15
Speaker 3: give a talk to a bunch of kids, if I'm
20:17
Speaker 3: ever invited to talk to a college class, I always say, Look,
20:20
Speaker 3: an education is incredibly important. It's a thing, but it's
20:26
Speaker 3: not the only thing. There are plenty of kids for
20:29
Speaker 3: whom a college degree doesn't work. Look, I don't have
20:32
Speaker 3: a college degree. I was a broadcaster at age eighteen.
20:35
Speaker 3: I tried to go to school my freshman year of
20:37
Speaker 3: college and I realized I was taking time away from
20:41
Speaker 3: a fifty sixty hour work week that I was offered
20:43
Speaker 3: at the radio station two to get it.
20:45
Speaker 2: Actually wanted to do for a living.
20:46
Speaker 3: Correct, to get a degree in the field that I
20:49
Speaker 3: was already working in. So and I look, but I
20:53
Speaker 3: broke my mom's heart. I broke the radio station owner
20:57
Speaker 3: broke his heart because he was providing some scholarship for
21:00
Speaker 3: me to go to college. Right, but I hated it.
21:02
Speaker 3: I didn't want what am I doing?
21:03
Speaker 2: What am I learning?
21:04
Speaker 3: Algebra?
21:05
Speaker 2: Radio station owner was disillusion that you didn't go to
21:07
Speaker 2: school because you wanted to be in radio, which is
21:09
Speaker 2: actually an honor and a compliment to the profession that
21:12
Speaker 2: he made possible for.
21:13
Speaker 3: You wanted me to have a college education. You wanted
21:16
Speaker 3: me to And I get it. I get it back,
21:18
Speaker 3: and I always think, I look back now, Look if
21:20
Speaker 3: I look at my fifty years or so of that
21:23
Speaker 3: of my life since that happened, things turned out pretty
21:27
Speaker 3: good for me. I didn't have a bad path here.
21:28
Speaker 3: I mean, it turned out pretty well. I don't know
21:30
Speaker 3: if I had been a college degree would have changed
21:33
Speaker 3: the trajectory at all, but you know what it may
21:36
Speaker 3: have because you know what I might have done. I
21:38
Speaker 3: might have realized I can't work fifty sixty hours a
21:41
Speaker 3: week at the radio station learning how to do talk
21:44
Speaker 3: radio in nineteen seventy eight, seventy nine, nineteen eighty. Because
21:48
Speaker 3: I got to go to school, I got to learn algebra,
21:51
Speaker 3: I got to do French, I got to go to
21:53
Speaker 3: French class. And guess what, I may not have had
21:57
Speaker 3: the career that I've gotten. You know, I may very
21:59
Speaker 3: well not be doing what I'm doing today, and that
22:01
Speaker 3: would have been a nightmare.
22:02
Speaker 2: So because you've been buckling in on the Pythagorean theorem
22:06
Speaker 2: and conjugating the verb.
22:09
Speaker 3: To conjugating a verb, God forbid, I don't want to
22:11
Speaker 3: conjugate a verb. I want to do a talk show.
22:13
Speaker 3: I want to spend records. I want to do whatever
22:15
Speaker 3: I could do as a.
22:16
Speaker 2: Kid as example.
22:17
Speaker 3: So that's that's my so so education and enough about me,
22:22
Speaker 3: let's talk about you. But for me, it's it's not hurtful,
22:25
Speaker 3: but it's kind of an unpleasant, unhappy memory for me
22:30
Speaker 3: because I just had a lot of emotional baggage attached
22:34
Speaker 3: to it all. And that's that's my answer.
22:36
Speaker 2: Any ordinary conversation that I would have had with anybody
22:38
Speaker 2: about the state of education and what your schooling was like.
22:41
Speaker 2: Would have been interesting to have to have ahead and
22:43
Speaker 2: any end list. If we're on the radio, we get
22:44
Speaker 2: commercial breaks. There's no way in the world you would
22:46
Speaker 2: have been able to flesh that out and unpacking. I
22:48
Speaker 2: am so grateful to you and for this podcast space
22:51
Speaker 2: and the ability to do stuff like this, especially at
22:53
Speaker 2: your theme shows. Let me before I pivot back to
22:57
Speaker 2: the suburban DC in the sixties, let's educate people about
23:01
Speaker 2: relief factor and talk about getting out of another kind
23:03
Speaker 2: of pain, because for me it was a rotator cuff
23:07
Speaker 2: shoulder thing. And I liked you out and throw tennis
23:09
Speaker 2: balls with the dogies and the dad. What's the matter?
23:12
Speaker 2: You don't seem to have the range you once did,
23:14
Speaker 2: And I go, well, Jake and Bruno's because it kind
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Speaker 2: of hurts, not anymore. A relief factor at one eight hundred,
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23:37
Speaker 3: For me, it was lower back pain from a hip replacement.
23:40
Speaker 3: I had a hip replacement. I was fifty one years old.
23:42
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23:44
Speaker 3: thought I always have that kind of spot on my
23:46
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Speaker 3: something better. Mark Before we get into DC suburbs and
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Speaker 3: your childhood and education from your perspective, can we quickly
25:56
Speaker 3: revisit a story we covered yesterday on the podcast The
25:59
Speaker 3: car Anthony Case. What a bombshell that was revealed. He
26:04
Speaker 3: is now trying to appeal his guilty verdict. Well, it
26:08
Speaker 3: turns out that there was a trove of evidence of
26:15
Speaker 3: Carmelo anthony and how it was just revealed yesterday. His
26:20
Speaker 3: ex girlfriend reported that he was stalking her for hours
26:25
Speaker 3: before he stabbed Austin Metcalf to death. He had threatening
26:30
Speaker 3: and violent texts on his phone. The prosecutor revealed this
26:34
Speaker 3: at the appeal hearing yesterday.
26:36
Speaker 2: Mark.
26:37
Speaker 3: Here's the worst part of it. The jury never heard
26:40
Speaker 3: about his disturbing history or about his juvenile criminal record
26:46
Speaker 3: because of a gentleman's agreement with the nineteen year old's
26:50
Speaker 3: defense attorney. Ahead of his murder trial, the Anthony's high
26:55
Speaker 3: school girlfriend confided to a principle that Anthony stalked and
27:00
Speaker 3: get this, she said, he was obsessed with guns, fights
27:06
Speaker 3: and knives.
27:07
Speaker 2: And if he got testified, if he had testified, in
27:09
Speaker 2: so much as whether he wasn't even given enough time
27:11
Speaker 2: to see, if there was no way he was ever
27:13
Speaker 2: going to testify. His attorneys seemed to have some shred
27:16
Speaker 2: of confidence or competence excuse me, and ill placed confidence
27:20
Speaker 2: because they thought he'd get off. He's in jail for
27:22
Speaker 2: thirty five years. He got off easy for this brutal
27:25
Speaker 2: murder of Austin Metcalf. He would have been a terrible
27:28
Speaker 2: witness on his own behalf, because that would have opened
27:30
Speaker 2: up all kinds of opportunities to ask about the kind
27:32
Speaker 2: of kid he was. And he wasn't a gang banger
27:35
Speaker 2: in the inner city. He was a suburban athlete with
27:37
Speaker 2: a pretty good GPA. But there was enough there to
27:40
Speaker 2: indicate that something was a little wobbly behaviorally that it
27:43
Speaker 2: would not have it would not have fared well for
27:45
Speaker 2: him had he testified.
27:46
Speaker 3: What an awful, awful revelation. And look, he's the guy
27:50
Speaker 3: that this is who Tallarico supports. He said this week
27:53
Speaker 3: on a radio show Charlemagne the God, Hey, if there'd
27:57
Speaker 3: have been blacky, there was a disgrace that there weren't
27:59
Speaker 3: black j rs. And that the jury system is broken.
28:03
Speaker 3: Tall Rico just pandering for votes. So I can't wait
28:06
Speaker 3: to hear how Tallarico might explain this one away Knives.
28:10
Speaker 2: Hey, here on Education Friday, you educated me about something
28:13
Speaker 2: two three minutes ago. You want to know what it was? Sure?
28:16
Speaker 2: I had no idea. I mean, I've never heard of
28:18
Speaker 2: the term si joint these It's an abbreviation for the sacroiliac,
28:25
Speaker 2: which I have heard that connects the spine to the pelvis.
28:28
Speaker 2: You're sitting here rattling off this stuff talking about your
28:30
Speaker 2: SI Johin. I said, I'm going to go look at
28:32
Speaker 2: what that is. So even on Education Friday, you are teaching,
28:35
Speaker 2: even as we gather to talk about education. That's that's
28:38
Speaker 2: the wonder, the wonder of you.
28:40
Speaker 3: This is the pearl These are the pearls were out this.
28:44
Speaker 3: I also advised the audience yesterday and I'll do it
28:46
Speaker 3: right here on the podcast before we continue our education conversation.
28:50
Speaker 3: Speaking of a hip replacement, if you have to have
28:53
Speaker 3: one of those bad boys and a lot of us
28:55
Speaker 3: of a certain age, you know or are having to
28:57
Speaker 3: have to consider that for goodness, get an anterior hip replacement,
29:03
Speaker 3: not a posterior.
29:05
Speaker 2: There are two of those terms front yeact.
29:08
Speaker 3: Well fronts back. Where's two different kinds of hip replacement
29:12
Speaker 3: surgeries that you can have, anterior or posterior. The anterior
29:17
Speaker 3: is way less invasive. Pardon me for being a little
29:21
Speaker 3: graphic here. They don't have to cut through all the
29:23
Speaker 3: muscle like they do on an old conventional posterior hip
29:27
Speaker 3: replacement where they go in through the back. With anterior,
29:30
Speaker 3: you don't have the kind of restrictions after the surgery
29:34
Speaker 3: that you do the and the only reason a doctor
29:37
Speaker 3: will advise you to get a posterior is because they
29:40
Speaker 3: don't know how to do the anterior.
29:42
Speaker 2: They'd find a doctor they could do the anterior.
29:44
Speaker 3: Find a doc who can do anterior. It's way easier
29:49
Speaker 3: than posterior. Posterior however is the right way to pronounce that?
29:52
Speaker 3: But you it's it's it's less invasive, way less recovery, time,
29:57
Speaker 3: way less pain. It's just night and day from a posterior.
30:01
Speaker 3: So little, a little word from one of the oldsters
30:04
Speaker 3: here on hip replacement. This should be hip replacement Day,
30:07
Speaker 3: but it's been Friday. Replacement Friday. Somebody they want one.
30:12
Speaker 3: I want that as a thing. So I gosh, i've
30:16
Speaker 3: in I started school.
30:20
Speaker 2: I did not. We were in England. Dad was in
30:22
Speaker 2: the Air Force, at the Air Force, and so I
30:25
Speaker 2: was going with all the military brats.
30:27
Speaker 3: So were at I remember that time when you were
30:28
Speaker 3: in English?
30:29
Speaker 2: Sure? Oh absolutely, you're how old?
30:31
Speaker 3: How old were you?
30:32
Speaker 1: Then?
30:32
Speaker 2: We were five when we went across the Pond in
30:34
Speaker 2: nineteen sixty three and I was seven. We came back
30:36
Speaker 2: in nineteen sixty five. And if you're in a military
30:40
Speaker 2: family and they come to you and you're working at
30:42
Speaker 2: the Pentagon, they go, Sergeant Davis, we wonder if you
30:44
Speaker 2: would like to I don't think they asked him. I said,
30:46
Speaker 2: we'd like you to go to the Air Force at
30:48
Speaker 2: Ache and the Embassy in London, and you know, bring
30:50
Speaker 2: the family, of course, And then he said, do you
30:52
Speaker 2: know how they got to England to your duty station?
30:57
Speaker 2: There aboard the s S United States one of the
31:00
Speaker 2: fastest steamships in the world at that time, so it
31:03
Speaker 2: took five days to get there, even at that appreciable clip.
31:07
Speaker 2: So I remember being on this massive ship. It was
31:09
Speaker 2: the dunk on this thing. That's how he got there,
31:11
Speaker 2: That's how he came back. So I'm in there with
31:12
Speaker 2: the other military kids for first and second grade, and
31:16
Speaker 2: then for third grade. I was back in America. I
31:18
Speaker 2: went third four and this is all in the suburbs
31:20
Speaker 2: of Maryland because dad was in the Air Force, and
31:22
Speaker 2: after being born at San Antonio Tech, we were immediately
31:25
Speaker 2: to the DC suburbs in Maryland, in Virginia, excuse me,
31:28
Speaker 2: and then back to Maryland, where I spent from third
31:30
Speaker 2: grade all the way through graduating from college. And I
31:34
Speaker 2: had every Okay, I thoroughly enjoyed school, not all of it.
31:39
Speaker 2: I enjoyed the things I was good at. I enjoyed English,
31:42
Speaker 2: I enjoyed social studies. I did not enjoy math. I
31:45
Speaker 2: not enjoy chemistry. I found ways to kind of appreciate them,
31:49
Speaker 2: and I kind of do now. I like knowing the
31:51
Speaker 2: periodic table of the elements and some things about atomic weight.
31:54
Speaker 2: I like knowing sort of how algebra works a little bit,
31:57
Speaker 2: and I think that was the value of a broadened edge.
32:00
Speaker 2: But you're still totally right about the notion of making
32:03
Speaker 2: somebody drill down when there's by the time you're sixteen,
32:06
Speaker 2: seventeen eighteen on things that you just know you're not
32:09
Speaker 2: going to be doing. There's an old peanut strip or
32:11
Speaker 2: Charlie Brown said, I don't think I need to go
32:13
Speaker 2: to school. I want to play baseball. I got to
32:14
Speaker 2: do is count to nine. And I totally get the
32:18
Speaker 2: notion of honing down what you're doing. But the broadness
32:21
Speaker 2: of an education also, I think it works a muscle
32:25
Speaker 2: to fight your way through a course that you don't like.
32:28
Speaker 2: I am as proud of a B minus that I
32:30
Speaker 2: got in trigonometry as I am of any hundred that
32:33
Speaker 2: I got in creative writing booh, because it has just
32:37
Speaker 2: forced me to just do the work. And I think
32:40
Speaker 2: that said something about me. Now here's something else that
32:42
Speaker 2: says something about me. I was probably a pretty lazy student.
32:45
Speaker 2: I did homework most of the time. I probably had
32:48
Speaker 2: about a three point one GPA by the time I
32:50
Speaker 2: graduated from high school, you.
32:51
Speaker 1: Know, and.
32:53
Speaker 2: I had a pretty good time, and like this is interesting,
32:57
Speaker 2: like you for the extra curriculars. I was doing yearbook,
33:00
Speaker 2: I was doing the newspaper. I was doing drama club,
33:03
Speaker 2: of course, and uh and I really really loved those.
33:07
Speaker 2: But I also did have the blessing of a pretty
33:10
Speaker 2: blessed childhood, for which I now feel completely guilty.
33:13
Speaker 3: No, and that's why I don't like telling I feel
33:16
Speaker 3: bad about it.
33:17
Speaker 2: You know, I'm kidding. You know, I'm kidding. And uh,
33:20
Speaker 2: and I was. I was. I was small and slow,
33:25
Speaker 2: so that was good. In gym class, I had zero game.
33:28
Speaker 2: I had zero game with the ladies even but I
33:31
Speaker 2: mean just nothing. However, I was. I was semi funny,
33:36
Speaker 2: I guess I God knows. I could talk to anybody.
33:40
Speaker 2: I could talk to a rock and and that really
33:43
Speaker 2: helped me socially. Had a really good group. Let me
33:46
Speaker 2: ask you this, the group. You have a good group
33:49
Speaker 2: of friends in high school?
33:50
Speaker 3: I did.
33:50
Speaker 2: I had a great group of friends.
33:52
Speaker 1: Well.
33:52
Speaker 3: I was really engaged with all the band geeks and
33:54
Speaker 3: all the theater kids and what instruments you play? Trombone? Trombone?
33:58
Speaker 3: And then I then I played cushion because I could
34:01
Speaker 3: play the piano, so I played, you know, the drums
34:03
Speaker 3: and the xylophone and all that stuff in the band.
34:05
Speaker 3: So yeah, that was. That was But I had a.
34:08
Speaker 2: Friends were great. It was just it was in its
34:09
Speaker 2: relationships that I've just thoroughly, thoroughly loved.
34:12
Speaker 3: I have.
34:13
Speaker 2: Oh boy, But I think I know the answer to this.
34:15
Speaker 2: Have you been to any of your high school reunions?
34:19
Speaker 3: Not a one?
34:20
Speaker 2: Meither?
34:21
Speaker 3: Have you been to any of them? No?
34:23
Speaker 2: And my fiftieth was last year, and I'm well, listen,
34:26
Speaker 2: I mean I haven't. I haven't lived there was I laughed.
34:30
Speaker 2: I went to West Virginia, I went to Jacksonville, came
34:32
Speaker 2: back to Texas. I was back in DC, but it
34:34
Speaker 2: was ninety to ninety four, so I would have just
34:37
Speaker 2: missed my twentieth there in nineteen ninety five. But I haven't.
34:41
Speaker 2: But thanks to Facebook and you know, iPhones and technology
34:45
Speaker 2: of ten or twenty people I was really close to
34:47
Speaker 2: in high school, I've been able to keep in pretty
34:49
Speaker 2: good touch, and I'm very grateful. But everybody went to
34:52
Speaker 2: my reunion, that the fiftieth reunion last year, and I've
34:55
Speaker 2: seen all the pictures and they just they just are.
34:58
Speaker 2: They looked like they're having the time, and I kind
35:00
Speaker 2: of and I've live the sixtieth. God give me the
35:02
Speaker 2: ability to go to the sixtieth. Maybe I will. But
35:05
Speaker 2: friends made it special and it was all thoroughly enjoyable.
35:08
Speaker 2: And so with that, well, let me let me add
35:12
Speaker 2: real quick.
35:13
Speaker 3: The reason that I haven't been is that I've lost
35:15
Speaker 3: touch with everybody I went to school with. It's the
35:18
Speaker 3: strange thing Facebook. Can you find somebody on Facebook? I
35:21
Speaker 3: hate Facebook's I hate Facebook. I don't do Facebook. I don't.
35:26
Speaker 2: I don't want Facebook.
35:27
Speaker 3: Why because people come out of the woodwork and get
35:31
Speaker 3: personal and there are attacks on it. I don't like
35:34
Speaker 3: the I don't like the familial way that people come
35:37
Speaker 3: at you on the Facebook platform. I hate it. I
35:40
Speaker 3: loathe it. I just I and I and I and
35:42
Speaker 3: I hate Zuckerberg. I hate the whole meta thing. So
35:46
Speaker 3: we've got a Facebook page for eminem and for the
35:49
Speaker 3: Mike Gallagher Show.
35:50
Speaker 2: So that's great, mean personal Facebook. I never do anything political.
35:53
Speaker 2: All Facebook is is for me, my family, some friends.
35:57
Speaker 2: I don't ever post anything other than here here are doll,
36:00
Speaker 2: Here's Lisa and me and fort Worth. That that's and
36:03
Speaker 2: everybody loves it there. I don't get into any squabbles
36:06
Speaker 2: with anybody, and I would think you'd have a skill
36:09
Speaker 2: set where you could navigate it in that way, positives
36:12
Speaker 2: without the negatives.
36:13
Speaker 3: Look, I am a pretty private person. I don't have
36:17
Speaker 3: a big circle of friends. I have dear friends in
36:21
Speaker 3: my life. I love my audience. I love your audience.
36:25
Speaker 3: I love what we get to do for a living.
36:27
Speaker 3: I don't want my personal stuff evaluated by strangers in
36:31
Speaker 3: North Dakota. I don't want people to see my house.
36:34
Speaker 3: I don't want people to be in my living room.
36:36
Speaker 3: I don't want people to see my dogs. I don't
36:38
Speaker 3: want that in a public and I feel very compartmentalized
36:42
Speaker 3: that way. I look, I share stuff a lot on
36:44
Speaker 3: the show, but I want my person I want my
36:48
Speaker 3: personal time to be my personal time. Look, today's sharing
36:50
Speaker 3: all this crap about my childhood. That's very un Look
36:53
Speaker 3: Look at me saying I want to yeah, no kidding.
36:55
Speaker 3: I don't feel great about it. I feel just as
36:57
Speaker 3: hell and I want to go jump off a building
36:59
Speaker 3: at that diet drive. But I don't like the personal
37:03
Speaker 3: way that people look. We're we're both public figures and
37:09
Speaker 3: it's a it's a weird thing to be in in
37:11
Speaker 3: the world we're in. I've had stalkers. I'm sure you've
37:15
Speaker 3: had your share. It's a little it's a little frightening
37:18
Speaker 3: to know that somebody becomes obsessed with you. I've had
37:21
Speaker 3: people that if I get a letter sent to my home,
37:25
Speaker 3: which has happened on occasion over the years, Oh yeah, yeah,
37:28
Speaker 3: go figure that out. Boy, Well no kidding, how do
37:32
Speaker 3: you know.
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Speaker 2: That's anthrax?
37:36
Speaker 3: But the truth is, I, like my I wouldn't want
37:41
Speaker 3: to put my private life on Facebook for everybody to
37:45
Speaker 3: see and get involved in. And I mean, that's that's why.
37:48
Speaker 3: But that's that's kind of.
37:49
Speaker 2: My totally totally, totally, totally get it. There were a
37:52
Speaker 2: couple of nuts and bolts procedural things about schools and
37:55
Speaker 2: how they run that I want to run by before
37:57
Speaker 2: we are done with Catholic schooling. Maybe this is another
38:03
Speaker 2: moot point, but in public schools, why are there any
38:05
Speaker 2: male teachers? Hardly ever, especially in the Is there something
38:08
Speaker 2: that is uniquely female about being a fourth grade teacher?
38:12
Speaker 2: Wouldn't we Well, if here's a man who's a fourth
38:14
Speaker 2: grade teacher, we think a pedophile. Maybe that's it. I mean,
38:17
Speaker 2: why why do you rise?
38:19
Speaker 3: Well, look at my son who teaches fifth grade special
38:22
Speaker 3: act and he's, uh, he is loved by those kids.
38:26
Speaker 3: And you know the reason he's done so well, he
38:29
Speaker 3: has told me is that he was fast tracked because
38:32
Speaker 3: there's such a shortage, such a dearth of a.
38:35
Speaker 2: Male model, a male male figure. And God bless the
38:38
Speaker 2: ladies and the women and the mothers and the I mean,
38:40
Speaker 2: that's great, but I think there need to be more
38:43
Speaker 2: men to look up to, especially in kids earlier formative years.
38:46
Speaker 3: Now. In my case, as a Catholics are going to
38:49
Speaker 3: know this right away. When you go to a when
38:51
Speaker 3: you go to a Catholic high school, you know, well,
38:54
Speaker 3: you know what the equivalent of a nun is a brother.
38:57
Speaker 3: We had Catholic brothers are like male nuns. No, they
39:04
Speaker 3: were the fun ones. They were a blast. They were
39:08
Speaker 3: a blast. I mean there were and there were some
39:10
Speaker 3: really probably close to the close to the uh, the
39:15
Speaker 3: edge of what they should have done. They've had parties
39:17
Speaker 3: that they had a house and we would go over
39:20
Speaker 3: on the weekends and have fun at parties. Never land nonsense.
39:25
Speaker 3: Is this listen? Oh you want me to tell you
39:27
Speaker 3: the story?
39:28
Speaker 2: All right?
39:28
Speaker 1: Do not.
39:29
Speaker 3: Well, look all right, well I'll tell you. They all
39:32
Speaker 3: lived in one big like mansion of city in Ohio,
39:36
Speaker 3: and they were like twenty of them. They all had
39:38
Speaker 3: a room. And then on the weekends they had like
39:41
Speaker 3: pizza parties for all the kids and we'd go. They
39:44
Speaker 3: were the cool ones that the nuns weren't having pizza parties,
39:48
Speaker 3: but the brothers did. And the brothers and look, I look,
39:52
Speaker 3: I will share that some of those brothers wound up
39:55
Speaker 3: getting a little bit of trouble down the road because
39:57
Speaker 3: they crossed the line and uh, you know got to
40:00
Speaker 3: you know you you you're bringing teenage kids over to
40:03
Speaker 3: the house for a pizza party across the Yeah, well
40:07
Speaker 3: not nothing, I don't know there was anything just inappropriate,
40:11
Speaker 3: like heaven, I mean, what teacher ever had you over
40:14
Speaker 3: for a pizza party? Well there was the one.
40:17
Speaker 2: No I'm kidding. Just so they they they they did
40:20
Speaker 2: not properly observe the certain.
40:22
Speaker 3: Boundaries and yeah to Korum and it's like so it
40:26
Speaker 3: just was. But but the brothers so, but you're but
40:29
Speaker 3: I will you want to talk about fond memories that
40:31
Speaker 3: I had of the few that I had, Please, I love,
40:34
Speaker 3: Please get learning from learning from learning from the brothers.
40:37
Speaker 3: I mean one of the brothers was the band director.
40:40
Speaker 3: He was the coolest guy. I learned a lot about
40:43
Speaker 3: life from him. He he kind of took me and
40:46
Speaker 3: a lot of other kids under his wing. I remember
40:48
Speaker 3: he loved Mary Capril, who was my on again, off
40:50
Speaker 3: again sort of girlfriend. Uh but yeah, I mean that
40:53
Speaker 3: was that was uh, that was brother brother the brother there.
40:57
Speaker 3: So yeah, and it was it was a great role
40:59
Speaker 3: mom for us and a great person to have people
41:02
Speaker 3: to have in our lives. So yeah, there's a real
41:04
Speaker 3: need for male teachers.
41:06
Speaker 2: Just there, sure is.
41:07
Speaker 3: And this I bless it now and it's fre way
41:11
Speaker 3: too personal to I know that personal, but.
41:13
Speaker 2: I'll tell you what. I know that it was kind
41:15
Speaker 2: of a bit earlier in the week when I said, hey,
41:17
Speaker 2: let's do education Friday and you like recoiled and you're
41:22
Speaker 2: not going to drag me through those memories. And I
41:24
Speaker 2: wrote it now, not only do I know that it
41:27
Speaker 2: wasn't a bit, but that your hesitancy was born of
41:32
Speaker 2: actual hesitancy. And yet I think earlier when I texted
41:36
Speaker 2: you and I was half kidding but only half said listen,
41:39
Speaker 2: trust me on education Friday, let's do this well, well,
41:42
Speaker 2: we can guide this in places you want to be.
41:44
Speaker 2: I am so grateful now, and I hope you are
41:46
Speaker 2: too this. I've listened the other days this week where
41:50
Speaker 2: you've been talking about stuff in the news. I hope
41:52
Speaker 2: the listeners and watchers and consumers feel the same way.
41:54
Speaker 2: Those are great. I hope that we lend a certain
41:56
Speaker 2: style and panache to talking about you know, Darlene and
41:59
Speaker 2: Iran and everything else. But this kind of stuff, I
42:03
Speaker 2: just love it. And I'm in ordersly grateful to you
42:07
Speaker 2: for your open heart and the sharing that you've done.
42:09
Speaker 3: And well, there's a freed there's a freedom that I
42:13
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42:16
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42:20
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Speaker 3: m M extra. Mark next week, big big election in
45:34
Speaker 3: South Carolina, talking about Darlene and Ralph Norman. There's a
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Speaker 3: news site out of South Carolina. A guy by the
45:41
Speaker 3: name of Will Folks runs it called fits News, and
45:44
Speaker 3: there really are a lot of They always break a
45:46
Speaker 3: lot of stories and a little muck raking and I
45:49
Speaker 3: like it. I like their theme.
45:51
Speaker 1: Uh.
45:51
Speaker 3: They predicted yesterday. They've been seeing polling that shows that
45:56
Speaker 3: Ralph Norman has a lead going at poll going into
46:00
Speaker 3: the election Tuesday.
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Speaker 2: But do you trust any poll anymore? I mean, I
46:04
Speaker 2: know some polls are good and summer screwy. I don't
46:07
Speaker 2: know which are which, So I just I who knows.
46:09
Speaker 2: We'll let me know on Tuesday night. You know, Well,
46:11
Speaker 2: if you're right, the Darlene's gonna win or I'm right
46:14
Speaker 2: there and it's And I don't perceive that on either
46:16
Speaker 2: of our side, it's going to be a big bragging
46:18
Speaker 2: rights thing, as other things have been. I just kind
46:21
Speaker 2: of think that South Carolina will look at this and
46:23
Speaker 2: say thanks Darlene, but no. And you seem to think
46:26
Speaker 2: that the Graham pull and the emotional appeal will resonate
46:29
Speaker 2: sufficiently that she will win. I know, I could totally
46:32
Speaker 2: be wrong about this. I don't know. I know what
46:34
Speaker 2: I want to have happened for what, For what it's worth.
46:37
Speaker 2: Fitz News says they believe it's going to be very close,
46:40
Speaker 2: going to be quite close. So we'll see, we shall see.
46:43
Speaker 2: We'll cover it all for you next week and we
46:45
Speaker 2: can't wait. I hope you have a wonderful weekend. Thank
46:48
Speaker 2: you for saving me some money from my therapist today.
46:51
Speaker 2: Oh you ain't got my bills?
46:53
Speaker 3: All right, I'm ready. I love you, have a great weekday.
46:57
Speaker 3: We'll see you Monday Friday.
46:58
Speaker 2: Thank y'all. Instead installed in the South Pacingston Passts