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Ranking Every FLOWER Pokémon with PHAUN ​ · Hidden Power: A Pokemon Podcast

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  [UNKNOWN]: Welcome back to Hidden Power.
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  [UNKNOWN]: This is a Pokemon podcast and today we are doing our flower Pokemon tier list.
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  [UNKNOWN]: My name is Dusty Gogo.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Today I'm joined by Hoops and Hip Hop.
• 0:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Hello.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And returning guest, friend of the podcast, FON.
• 0:13
  [UNKNOWN]: How's it going, man?
• 0:15
  [UNKNOWN]: It is going well.
• 0:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I am so excited.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I haven't thinking about this podcast for weeks since it was brought to me.
• 0:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm so excited to talk about
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  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is honestly that I think this podcast this whole episode is just for the love of the game I'm trying to think about ways to make this to make this relevant for our hidden power audience to make this for the Lore heads.
• 0:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I think there are some connections.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Let me try it right now.
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  [UNKNOWN]: What's the definition of a flower, right?
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  [UNKNOWN]: So we're on we're on Wikipedia.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Let's get into it guys.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Flowers also known as let's do the let's do the polka dex Wait wait before we define it maybe it's how the audience
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  [UNKNOWN]: It's important for us to define it because we do have a flower expert here Liam you have a green thumb Don't you you have yeah, that's like for sure.
• 1:03
  [UNKNOWN]: That is like the whole reason We're grown by Liam so it's important for us to like engage in this
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  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is grown by Liam's wife.
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  [UNKNOWN]: This is by my wife.
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  [UNKNOWN]: These dollies.
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  [UNKNOWN]: This is the last of the season.
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  [UNKNOWN]: What's worse?
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  [UNKNOWN]: This hurts.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, you also have a, I don't know.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Listen, maybe I have a green thumb, but you're, you're wearing what?
• 1:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Like a Hello Kitty Hawaiian shirt right now.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Hello Kitty Beach Dad Hawaiian shirt.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I also have my hoppip who hasn't grown their flower just yet.
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  [UNKNOWN]: But oh, that's so good.
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  [UNKNOWN]: She's working got it the little place you do have the other Okay, sorry to get so tangential, but when my stream is all my attention.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I just do this on camera It's really good attention.
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  [UNKNOWN]: It's like my key-jingling
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  [UNKNOWN]: I'm also, so, I mean, hoops, I don't know if you brought anything for the show in tell.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I also have a bunch of my flower Pokemon cards right here.
• 2:00
  [UNKNOWN]: This pho Mantis right here is so good.
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  [UNKNOWN]: It's literally just in a field of like, what are these poppies or, uh, one of these?
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  [UNKNOWN]: I don't even know.
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  [UNKNOWN]: That's when I also have the full flower binder ready to go at a moment's notice that is a that speaks to the energy that created this episode because we were talking and I was like I was like totally like
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  [UNKNOWN]: like in an admirable sense, I was kind of like, I was like admiring you for this, but I was like, I don't think I've ever met a man who was as into flowers as Liam is.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I think I was like Liam was talking to me and I said, Liam, do you know what will be a really fun?
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  [UNKNOWN]: I was like that.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I was like, this is interesting.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And so, yeah, here I am.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I'm the non-flower rep of the group and you guys are the experts.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And this is gonna be fun.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Let's read the definition of what a flower is.
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  [UNKNOWN]: They are talking about with them.
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  [UNKNOWN]: They're understated.
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  [UNKNOWN]: But they're very pretty.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Like I think rocks are cool too.
• 3:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I'm digging holes right now rocks are pretty cool.
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  [UNKNOWN]: But rocks are just like what compressed.
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  [UNKNOWN]: material over a millennia, but flowers are like, it's, it's, it's about, it's about evolution.
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  [UNKNOWN]: It's, it's, it's powerful.
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  [UNKNOWN]: There's so much DNA that is transferred through flowers.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Let's not get it.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, flowers.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Also known as blossoms or blooms are the reproductive structures of flowering plants.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Typically they are structured in four circular levels around the end of a stock.
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  [UNKNOWN]: These include, okay, well, I'm not going to get into like the actual, okay, samples which are modified leaves that support the flower petals.
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  [UNKNOWN]: We know petals.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Leave it.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Subscribe if you know what a pedal is.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Often designed to attract.
• 3:44
  [UNKNOWN]: That's ironic.
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  [UNKNOWN]: It's out there.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I'm, it's, it's, okay.
• 3:49
  [UNKNOWN]: We don't, we don't, we don't, we don't need to review those songs today.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, let's see.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, the male stamen's were pollen is presented in female.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Dude, flowers are like, that's crazy.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Flowers don't move.
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  [UNKNOWN]: They're part of a plant and they don't move, but they use other creatures.
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  [UNKNOWN]: to pollen at each other.
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  [UNKNOWN]: That's insane, but they don't move.
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  [UNKNOWN]: They're like, okay.
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  [UNKNOWN]: That's like, that's like alien shit.
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  [UNKNOWN]: That's so cool.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Where pollen is received in movement is facilitated to the eggs.
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  [UNKNOWN]: When flowers are arranged in a group, they are known collectively as an inflorescence.
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  [UNKNOWN]: What?
• 4:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't even know how to do this stuff.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I didn't know inflorens.
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  [UNKNOWN]: That's
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  [UNKNOWN]: What?
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  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 4:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 4:37
  [UNKNOWN]: You know what we should have done.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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  [UNKNOWN]: That is absolutely.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Anyways, okay.
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  [UNKNOWN]: So here's a bunch of flowers.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I think I just wanted to show these off.
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  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
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  [UNKNOWN]: How about this?
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  [UNKNOWN]: Let's get into the, let's get into the tier list.
• 4:48
  [UNKNOWN]: That's getting into the tier list.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Because when are you going to get into the tier list?
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  [UNKNOWN]: First up, we got Meganium.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Mughenium is the herb Pokemon.
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  [UNKNOWN]: It's just a grass type.
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  [UNKNOWN]: You guys know the drill generation too.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to look ahead.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
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  [UNKNOWN]: The flower around its neck amidst a soothing refreshing aroma, and its breath has the power to restore the life of withered plants.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Mughenium can use its fragrance to weaken the fighting spirit of opposing Pokemon.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I want to see maybe what they are in the history section at the bottom.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
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  [UNKNOWN]: That's what they're based on.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I'll head over to that.
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  [UNKNOWN]: But, Fond, do you want to give me an opinion?
• 5:23
  [UNKNOWN]: What do you think about McGeanian?
• 5:24
  [UNKNOWN]: We're just gonna go.
• 5:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I have always had a love for McGeanian.
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  [UNKNOWN]: She has felt like a really high concept, flowery, girly girl Pokemon for a long time.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And I feel like the culture's just now catching up with her.
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  [UNKNOWN]: The mega evolution specifically, I love that they did not abandon the flower.
• 5:40
  [UNKNOWN]: They just made it bigger.
• 5:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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  [UNKNOWN]: They made it prettier for her fans.
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  [UNKNOWN]: We all love that.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And also, she also got little bell bottoms
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  [UNKNOWN]: It just like makes her whole body look like a more enhanced version of flower that she is I like also like having such a hard flower concepts and being like the first starter of her kind like that I do like that they are trying to lean into the like aromatic way in which plants communicate through like chemicals and soothing and stuff like that obviously it's more enhanced because she's a monster but that is how.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Flowers do communicate with each other and with their environment outside of just flowers So that's a that's a really fun way that they've like stuck with it for I think like three decades now Dude, I really do like that.
• 6:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I sidebar I do talk to my plans You have to I talk to Flaming Katie all this time.
• 6:35
  [UNKNOWN]: She knows all my secrets.
• 6:36
  [UNKNOWN]: That's your girl.
• 6:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah Yeah, honestly, no, I think I think you really really You pointed out something really good here about like McGiniam's design personally.
• 6:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I'll be honest
• 6:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm kind of a bandwagoner.
• 6:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I have always loved Bailey because of that I've always like Chick-a-Rita.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Maghenium has always felt flat to me and it wasn't because there was a flower in the design, obviously.
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  [UNKNOWN]: It was just that like the base form is just a green stick dinosaur with a flower around its neck.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, there's Pokemon that do that way better, right?
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  [UNKNOWN]: I just, I thought it was kind of a sad design.
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  [UNKNOWN]: The mega form,
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  [UNKNOWN]: like has me swooning.
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  [UNKNOWN]: This is like the mega-maganium.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I think might be top 15 Pokemon for me of all time.
• 7:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Wow.
• 7:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I love this thing so much.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm not even one.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Like I don't even like a ton of the cutesy Pokemon.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Like a lot of the Pokemon.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I like are cool.
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  [UNKNOWN]: They're serious or they're like goofy.
• 7:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I love this thing so much.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's really really good.
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  [UNKNOWN]: But the thing that you pointed out I think is the the bell bottoms
• 7:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I think what it does is it like they look like pedals or they look like some sort of like flowering or a plant material.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And I think it's really, that's all the design was missing.
• 7:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Now it's not just like two things attached together.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Now that like organic, I guess, like component is throughout the entire design, which I really appreciate.
• 8:03
  [UNKNOWN]: The only thing that maybe it doesn't need to do this, but like,
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  [UNKNOWN]: something that they could do.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like is maybe add like more flowers to like it's tailor something.
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  [UNKNOWN]: But maybe that would just make the design like to complicated or something.
• 8:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I love this Pokemon.
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  [UNKNOWN]: So I'm going to blow your guys' minds, okay.
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  [UNKNOWN]: First thing though, I want to say, I think the thing with meganium is that it is, it is kind of always been perceived as a little bit plain, because like you said, it's, if not for the flower, it's just this green dinosaur and it's, yeah.
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  [UNKNOWN]: doesn't have a lot going on.
• 8:43
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think that like I'm trying to think like, oh, where do I, where does this fall for me?
• 8:48
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm kind of torn between two things because that's kind of what
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  [UNKNOWN]: I love mega-maganium as well, and I think honestly, if we're ranking this based on just like uses of flowers and stuff like that, I might put mega-maganium specifically in est here, because because
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  [UNKNOWN]: It uses its flower so ingeniously because the whole thing with meganium is that it's got a big flower around his neck.
• 9:27
  [UNKNOWN]: So mega-meganium gets more flowers around its neck, which makes sense, but it's because we're in callos when this was revealed to us.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And it's meant to look like the big French ruffs, the big collars that the French kings would wear.
• 9:51
  [UNKNOWN]: And the bell bottoms that you guys are talking about.
• 9:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, they do look like bell bottoms.
• 9:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I think they're actually meant to be the fluffy cuffs of your shirts.
• 10:05
  [UNKNOWN]: poofy shirts, you know?
• 10:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And they have those big like cuffs that are kind of just all like frilly and and love and stuff like that.
• 10:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I believe that's what it's going for.
• 10:15
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just just like aristocratic kind of look.
• 10:19
  [UNKNOWN]: This like this dude, Victoria, the fluffy arms.
• 10:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I do, I do see that.
• 10:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I really see that.
• 10:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 10:25
  [UNKNOWN]: And every height about that.
• 10:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I just think that's like, especially the flower color is like so perfect because that's what Maganium has had this whole time and it just translates it into the game that like it was appearing in so well.
• 10:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's good.
• 10:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
• 10:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
• 10:45
  [UNKNOWN]: That is amazing.
• 10:46
  [UNKNOWN]: You did just blow my mind.
• 10:47
  [UNKNOWN]: That's that just became like a formative moment for me and my relationship with Maganium.
• 10:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I didn't mean to
• 10:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think also what like that's what like for me, I can look at make, I can look at Meganym here and be like, Oh, it looks kind of nice, but like when I learned something like that that like ties it all together, that's what like really makes the difference for me because it's like now it's not just more flowers, it's more flowers because it's got this like root in the culture of like the game that it's appearing in basically.
• 11:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I like when regional feel is though they're affected by the region.
• 11:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Not going to tangent, but yeah.
• 11:26
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, absolutely.
• 11:27
  [UNKNOWN]: You know what?
• 11:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Honestly, one more little thing that I don't think I have ever appreciated.
• 11:31
  [UNKNOWN]: So like Chikarita has like it has like a necklace a ring of like buds around its neck.
• 11:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Bay leaf has.
• 11:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 11:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Games tags.
• 11:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, those skin tags around it's like those buds continue to grow.
• 11:45
  [UNKNOWN]: And weirdly, I mean, I think as a design, it makes sense like just visually makes sense.
• 11:51
  [UNKNOWN]: that when it evolves into meganium it gets okay now it gets a whole flower around its neck.
• 11:56
  [UNKNOWN]: But I never actually realized that like each one of these buds would turn into a separate flower.
• 12:03
  [UNKNOWN]: that.
• 12:03
  [UNKNOWN]: So I never realized it, but mega-migagnium is actually all of those flowers that it gets around the neck is those separate buds that we never saw develop into flowers.
• 12:14
  [UNKNOWN]: So there is actually a through line.
• 12:15
  [UNKNOWN]: We're always saying how mega's like represent every single stage of the evolutionary line.
• 12:19
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's another example of how mega-migagnium does that.
• 12:23
  [UNKNOWN]: That's that's pretty good.
• 12:25
  [UNKNOWN]: We love her.
• 12:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, honestly, I'm going to put mega-migagnium
• 12:33
  [UNKNOWN]: We should give her is that she gave her for the pun we should give her the give her flowers yeah for for for the efforts that we've seen recently, you know, yeah No, I love it.
• 12:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
• 12:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is oh, that did I say it this so when we're recording right now This is the anniversary of legends.
• 12:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I made a sentence in the beginning
• 12:51
  [UNKNOWN]: And legend's EA, it's mascot is a flower.
• 12:55
  [UNKNOWN]: This is so perfect.
• 12:56
  [UNKNOWN]: This is literally so perfect.
• 12:57
  [UNKNOWN]: That is easy.
• 12:58
  [UNKNOWN]: We like and do a scribe.
• 13:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 13:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'll never send.
• 13:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, we'll get to that.
• 13:02
  [UNKNOWN]: We'll get to that in a little.
• 13:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, go check out Fawn's channel as well.
• 13:05
  [UNKNOWN]: So, she's going to ask here.
• 13:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we'll be going to rock it in.
• 13:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 13:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I was going to say I was going to say that like regular
• 13:19
  [UNKNOWN]: And specifically in the context of the flowers, just it's like it uses them so perfectly.
• 13:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I would for for the mega specifically, I would I would say as for sure.
• 13:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we do actually we do have more trivia here.
• 13:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Meaghanium's design may have also been influenced by the, I know that's a type of dinosaur.
• 13:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Meaghanium's layered neckflowers and flared fully adorned feet, may draw inspiration from ruffled dresses, such as French can-can costumes or the Spanish, tra, tra, hey, day, flamenca.
• 13:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what that is.
• 13:58
  [UNKNOWN]: The latter resembles its design when it inverted with a ruffle skirt.
• 14:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's see, associated with spring something.
• 14:04
  [UNKNOWN]: They're not talking about any sort of flower that it's that it's based on specifically.
• 14:08
  [UNKNOWN]: So, but to me it just looks like a generic lily or something.
• 14:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, I think the name comes from Geranium.
• 14:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh my God, dude.
• 14:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, genius.
• 14:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know how I overlook that.
• 14:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm kind of mad.
• 14:21
  [UNKNOWN]: That's I'm embarrassed right now.
• 14:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Dude, Joraniums are stunning.
• 14:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I actually love I really do like no, that's her.
• 14:26
  [UNKNOWN]: That's her that's her that's her.
• 14:28
  [UNKNOWN]: That's her.
• 14:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, okay.
• 14:30
  [UNKNOWN]: There's McGania.
• 14:31
  [UNKNOWN]: There it is.
• 14:36
  [UNKNOWN]: You're right.
• 14:36
  [UNKNOWN]: McGanyam is Joranium.
• 14:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Good point.
• 14:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, great.
• 14:38
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• 14:40
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• 16:30
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think, okay, this is where we're going to get, this is kind of where we start like peeling back the layers, right?
• 16:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe, you know,
• 16:42
  [UNKNOWN]: basically, like some of these flower Pokemon have different aesthetics.
• 16:47
  [UNKNOWN]: They're not all cutesy.
• 16:49
  [UNKNOWN]: And if we look at Bolas and specifically, this is like, well, maybe we should start with Vile Plum, but you know, Bolas is what like a some sort of like Hula dancer.
• 16:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that's like what we will often think about.
• 17:01
  [UNKNOWN]: But they both,
• 17:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Belossum evolves from gloom, but gloom can also evolve into, and I'm trying to pull this up.
• 17:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Actually, gloom is the weed Pokemon, and it's just this, like, sleepy, nasty looking Pokemon.
• 17:13
  [UNKNOWN]: But it is a flower.
• 17:14
  [UNKNOWN]: It is technically a flower.
• 17:16
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got, see, there's buds outside.
• 17:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, just through and but then vile plume is yeah, the flower Pokemon and this is based on whoop's hit me.
• 17:27
  [UNKNOWN]: What is this called the corpse flower?
• 17:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I think it's the corpse.
• 17:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I always have the name until I need it.
• 17:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes, the corpse flowers the nickname the actual name.
• 17:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh Refleesia are no that is the name.
• 17:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh my god.
• 17:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I didn't know it's like a crackling name.
• 17:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Dude.
• 17:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I am the one pulling all the I'm the one pulling all the flower names here
• 17:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, vial plumes, see, this is from Bolapedia, vial plumes seems to be based on a man Drake plants from the man dragora.
• 17:58
  [UNKNOWN]: You did say drag queen, man dragora, genus who's roots sometimes are resembles human figures.
• 18:04
  [UNKNOWN]: And rough.
• 18:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the rough lesia, a genus of parasitic plants known for their large fouls, melling flowers.
• 18:13
  [UNKNOWN]: It is especially similar to the this other one which produces the largest single flower on earth.
• 18:18
  [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of cool.
• 18:19
  [UNKNOWN]: It should have got a G-Mex and then female via plume represents another type of this Reflisia due to the large spots on their pedals.
• 18:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Interesting.
• 18:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so this is like.
• 18:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so vial plume is like, I think it said it was like parasitic.
• 18:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Where it kind of like attracts insects.
• 18:41
  [UNKNOWN]: And then we'll eat them.
• 18:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm assuming that's kind of how that works.
• 18:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Gloom is a version of that, but then boulossum when gloom evolves into boulossum.
• 18:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It actually loses that poison type, kind of purifying itself.
• 18:52
  [UNKNOWN]: And then it becomes this like this cutie girl.
• 18:55
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just this little like little grass spirit.
• 19:00
  [UNKNOWN]: How do we think about these different flowers?
• 19:03
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I never really, I knew that they were based off of specifically Vowl, who was based off of that huge flowering like poisonous stinky plant, which obviously makes sense for it's like kit.
• 19:14
  [UNKNOWN]: The moves that it learns and all kinds of stuff.
• 19:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I think they really hit the nail on the head with that.
• 19:19
  [UNKNOWN]: And I honestly feel like a lot of the earlier flower Pokemon do benefit a lot from
• 19:25
  [UNKNOWN]: being in a less saturated space.
• 19:26
  [UNKNOWN]: You see a lot more like harder concepts.
• 19:30
  [UNKNOWN]: But I do think that the split evolution is really clever.
• 19:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Losing the poison type, I never really acknowledge that.
• 19:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Because the loss of them does have access to sleeping and stunning and stuff with the spores.
• 19:41
  [UNKNOWN]: But she's a lot softer, and she does have more healing capabilities.
• 19:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 19:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I, I just think that that's clever.
• 19:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that it's also kind of funny that Viola Plumes still has kind of the same face as the whole audition line.
• 19:55
  [UNKNOWN]: She still looks very cute and fun, but she smells rank.
• 19:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Like that's funny to me.
• 20:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's good.
• 20:01
  [UNKNOWN]: That's good.
• 20:03
  [UNKNOWN]: It looks like Bellawesome is based on
• 20:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Obviously, the stereotypical, like Hula dancer, but they pull up, uh, boulder PD suggests that boulassum is based on the plumeria, um, which I don't think I've, I've heard of this, but I don't, I don't, that's another character.
• 20:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Is it team skull?
• 20:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, you're right, Mary.
• 20:24
  [UNKNOWN]: She's the cool one in school.
• 20:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 20:26
  [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
• 20:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 20:28
  [UNKNOWN]: And this is a nice flower.
• 20:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I can kind of see it.
• 20:29
  [UNKNOWN]: And then it's also, she's got like, I guess, I guess the flower also kind of resembles like the flowers of a lay, which I think is like a, it's kind of like a, I don't even know what is it.
• 20:40
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a, a lay is a garland or reef typically consisting of fresh natural foliage in Polynesia and the Philippines cool.
• 20:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I also, every time I think Abelossum, Smash Bros. Melee was like my first smash that I had on GameCube, and when she spawns, she has a certain voice line.
• 21:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe your editor can find it and put it in.
• 21:03
  [UNKNOWN]: But I used to say it all the time as a kid because the way that she said it was so cute.
• 21:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Where would we rank these Pokemon?
• 21:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Again, if we didn't, yeah, I mean, I don't know how deep we need to go into this, but I think this is just like the first example of like we got the cutesy flowers and then we get like nasty flowers and flowers, that's what I'm saying like they don't need to just be like cute for a vase.
• 21:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that's, that's one of the things I want to do.
• 21:27
  [UNKNOWN]: But they can also be kind of, you know, that's part of nature.
• 21:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to comment on something before we give the ranks because this is kind of changing my opinion.
• 21:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is probably just a coincidence, but it's kind of crazy at the same time.
• 21:41
  [UNKNOWN]: So, vial plume as we've established is based on the Reflisi R. Nalding, which is also known as the Norgos flower.
• 21:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a dead body.
• 21:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, on the flip side, Belossum looks like a Hawaiian hula girl, and I want to point out that it doesn't come from a low-law, obviously, comes from Jodo.
• 22:01
  [UNKNOWN]: But if we look at a low-law, it says here on Bubble Pedia, according to Shigeru Omori, who is the director of the game.
• 22:10
  [UNKNOWN]: The name, a low-law, is meant to incorporate a meaning of a land that overflows with life force and supports various forms of life.
• 22:19
  [UNKNOWN]: So there's kind of like a life and death sort of dichotomy going on between these two Pokemon.
• 22:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Wait, I think it's actually kind of cool.
• 22:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Dude, you're right.
• 22:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Cause like you said, it seems kind of random.
• 22:32
  [UNKNOWN]: She's like loses her poison type.
• 22:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 22:34
  [UNKNOWN]: But that kind of puts it in context, which is really cool.
• 22:38
  [UNKNOWN]: If you think even more like the Japan typically does take a lot of vacations to Hawaii, like that's a huge vacation destination for Japanese people.
• 22:49
  [UNKNOWN]: So like the context of Belossam, even in her generation, what, too?
• 22:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she debuted in, too.
• 22:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, the connotation of like the who the girl is healing its vacation.
• 23:00
  [UNKNOWN]: It's relaxation.
• 23:01
  [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, even outside of the region that she's in, it's just the design element in contrast to biop whom it kind of makes sense if you think about where she came from.
• 23:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I like them as a split, um, I will say that I still think Vio Plume is kind of the queen of the line.
• 23:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 23:21
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a flower.
• 23:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I think Bala some suffers.
• 23:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like generation two Pokemon.
• 23:29
  [UNKNOWN]: A lot of them, I feel like they were made to be plushies.
• 23:32
  [UNKNOWN]: They're just like, I feel like, in generation one, you have these really intricate, not realistic, but like, you know, I feel like they had as many details as they needed to be, they were monsters, they felt kind of weird.
• 23:46
  [UNKNOWN]: And then I feel like there's so many generation two Pokemon that just kind of simplify the design, right?
• 23:51
  [UNKNOWN]: And Bala's on, I think, might be a victim of this, where it's just like,
• 23:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I'm like, I think I like how lopsided uh, vile plum is.
• 24:01
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like this little body and the flower is giant, because it, why not?
• 24:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Why not make a giant?
• 24:07
  [UNKNOWN]: And I feel like that kind of preserves its identity where blossom is uh,
• 24:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, like, just shrinks.
• 24:13
  [UNKNOWN]: And now it's like this little, I don't know.
• 24:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like, it, I don't know, it's, it's, it's not my favorite.
• 24:19
  [UNKNOWN]: In all honesty, in the national polgatex, I will say I think that Lawson is an icon.
• 24:23
  [UNKNOWN]: But if we open to really split hairs, I think that she's not out doing bioplymer.
• 24:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I just think bioplymer is, there's other little girly pops that I think that Lawson just gets overshadowed by.
• 24:33
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm coming from my perspective.
• 24:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I like violin more, violin, violin is good, you know what I'm also wondering, I feel like in the Gen 10 hype speculation scene we've been kind of saying like, okay, violin needs to get something, some sort of recognition because it is that corpse flower and that is something that it like originates in the Gen 10 region area of the world.
• 24:58
  [UNKNOWN]: But as we're reading with Balaism, I feel like that is also, that's from what I would say the Philippines, which I know.
• 25:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so that's a similar part of the world.
• 25:08
  [UNKNOWN]: So we might see something for this both like for both of these Pokemon.
• 25:12
  [UNKNOWN]: We could see we could see something.
• 25:14
  [UNKNOWN]: What if like Audish got a new evolution and branch off from gloom?
• 25:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I always get excited when they do like new
• 25:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 25:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So good.
• 25:25
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 25:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna put Bala some.
• 25:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm feeling like to be honest just see tears is where I'm putting Bala some.
• 25:30
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel I feel that way too.
• 25:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 25:33
  [UNKNOWN]: This is good.
• 25:34
  [UNKNOWN]: We're we're locked up.
• 25:35
  [UNKNOWN]: We don't agree.
• 25:37
  [UNKNOWN]: See, I'm I'm kind of torn.
• 25:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I actually do prefer Bala some of the two and
• 25:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm like if I was ranking them just as straight Pokemon, I would probably put them both in B tier, but I want, like I said, I want to look at how well they're using the flowers.
• 25:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I think
• 25:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I, I'm probably okay with vial plum and a just because it is the biggest flower in the world.
• 26:04
  [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of a big deal.
• 26:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Like it, it props for that.
• 26:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the blossom is a little bit kind of just like more standard in comparison.
• 26:14
  [UNKNOWN]: But I do really like how it kind of like uses like the petals of the flower as like it's dress.
• 26:22
  [UNKNOWN]: And then it's like,
• 26:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, I just think it's very cute and endearing.
• 26:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 26:27
  [UNKNOWN]: So that's true, actually.
• 26:28
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, yeah, you're, I think it's interesting because I look at the dress as leaves.
• 26:33
  [UNKNOWN]: But do you, are the, are the, are the, is the dress made of petals?
• 26:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, if you flip her upside down, like, is it like a, you know what I'm saying?
• 26:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, are like a rose or something?
• 26:42
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, I honestly would like to just imagine that she is just like pedals all over.
• 26:47
  [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of cuter to think.
• 26:48
  [UNKNOWN]: She's like, that makes me like a more big, peddley girl.
• 26:51
  [UNKNOWN]: That's fun.
• 26:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I would say B from a lot of them is also really great too.
• 26:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe she's too harsh because I did see Skip Loom is right after her and she's, I can't go talk about Skip Loom yet, but she's definitely better than Skip Loom, right?
• 27:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, definitely better this skip loom.
• 27:05
  [UNKNOWN]: You know what?
• 27:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I just want to read this one Dix entry from Sapphire that I've never read before.
• 27:10
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a blossom.
• 27:11
  [UNKNOWN]: A blossom grows flowers more beautifully if it has evolved from a smelly gloom.
• 27:17
  [UNKNOWN]: The stinkier the better.
• 27:18
  [UNKNOWN]: At night this Pokemon closes its petals and goes to sleep.
• 27:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 27:23
  [UNKNOWN]: That's beautiful.
• 27:23
  [UNKNOWN]: That's great.
• 27:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I love that.
• 27:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's make it be like it a little more.
• 27:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's going to beat you.
• 27:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's
• 27:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, okay, in terms of flowers, we talked about it earlier, uh, maybe that was the Patreon episode.
• 27:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I'm, I don't know whatever.
• 27:36
  [UNKNOWN]: We talked about dandelions, skip loom, uh, hoppip, uh, uh, what's the the effliction?
• 27:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Plotchum fluff, they're all dandelions, um, and I do like, okay, I don't know if this is intentional or not, but like,
• 27:53
  [UNKNOWN]: you get the dandy line right that's like a different word that's just like a that's what the flower is called but then if you were I feel like I've seen this in like cartoons if you separate the words and like spell them differently now you have like a dandy lion like the like the feline and these Pokemon hopped this line they to me they didn't look at cats know they are cats so that's kind of funny that they literally are cats yeah well I was I was
• 28:22
  [UNKNOWN]: It really is like a starter.
• 28:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I need to do it.
• 28:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I know what this is just for people to watch.
• 28:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I need that for for for like a for like a bay leaf I was I was just gonna say like I because they like they 100% are cats if you look at their earlier like beta designs or even cat like like a cat
• 28:42
  [UNKNOWN]: And so I was just about to say, like, that's a cool and interesting thing about them, but why are they like that?
• 28:48
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think actually it is because they're based on Dandy Lions.
• 28:52
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's really clever.
• 28:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
• 28:55
  [UNKNOWN]: But at the same time, in that context, I feel like they're also slightly disappointing.
• 29:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Because if we were going to do a true Dandy Lion, I feel like I would have let, like, I think an actual Lion would have been pretty cool.
• 29:11
  [UNKNOWN]: like a flower line basically yeah so or lean into the like what is dandy even me does not like like it's not like and he's like I think of like a little rich boy yeah a little like like a rich prince or something typically like uh like uh I forget the name of the Vegas performer but it's like a guy who dresses very you know out there if something is dandy and it's like ruffle in
• 29:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like liberacci if it's dandy.
• 29:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It's good basically.
• 29:40
  [UNKNOWN]: You're good.
• 29:41
  [UNKNOWN]: You're dandy.
• 29:41
  [UNKNOWN]: You're fine Dude that could be a whole that sounds like that's a good point hoops.
• 29:44
  [UNKNOWN]: That could be a whole Pokemon You got liberacci the lion Pokemon that could have been good.
• 29:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, and then like I want a little cat Yeah, like I like these Pokemon.
• 29:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I like that their cats like that's so cool like I like how unique they look Yeah, but I but I can't help but think like man if they would have like just full send it on the lion part
• 30:05
  [UNKNOWN]: a cool Pokemon.
• 30:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I agree.
• 30:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Hothip is the cotton weed Pokemon, skip loom is the cotton weed Pokemon.
• 30:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, and so is jump bluff.
• 30:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I thought maybe this line is interesting because each of them, okay, what's cool about this line is it shows the full life cycle of a plant.
• 30:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And part of that is a flower, part of that is the seed, part of that is just the initial sprout and foliage and I like that a lot right people have been talking about like maybe brought how it's like a little sprout I live I I browse might evolve and grow into the plumage right of a bird but you know through that we're also seeing the life stages of that whatever kind of plant it's based on and I I like I'm really glad this Pokemon is on the list and that we're talking about it because I think this is actually
• 30:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, I think this is one of the cooler ways to represent flowers and I think, yeah, I don't know, like like a grass Pokemon, right?
• 31:02
  [UNKNOWN]: This is this is cool.
• 31:03
  [UNKNOWN]: It's kind of like seeing like a surge get evolved into like Matt's terrain.
• 31:07
  [UNKNOWN]: They're so different, right?
• 31:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Nincada to Ninjask to, you know, and then you get that, like husk of a
• 31:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 31:15
  [UNKNOWN]: It's it's a Pokemon that is representing something in the real world through these designs.
• 31:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I do like, I appreciate that a lot.
• 31:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I agree.
• 31:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I think the fact that the Dandelion is a little bit more unique and that it has the flower stage and then it has the seed stage.
• 31:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that just kind of translates really well the Pokemon because it's like obviously
• 31:40
  [UNKNOWN]: evolutionary stages at parallels that really well, and I love that it like shows the whole life cycle Like that's probably unique amongst the other flower Pokemon because other flower Pokemon are kind of just Flowers in one way or another, but this is like the whole experience.
• 31:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's worth that's worth some flowers too
• 32:02
  [UNKNOWN]: for real, do the, yeah, y'all know, oh, well, the people who are coming here from my camp, they know that jump-leth is my favorite line of all time.
• 32:13
  [UNKNOWN]: So like I agree with both of y'all, I love that it's, I didn't know it was like your number number one.
• 32:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 32:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, my number one favorite Pokemon is shiny jump-leth.
• 32:21
  [UNKNOWN]: So bioproxy jump-leth itself, you know.
• 32:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 32:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I love that it's a funny plant cat.
• 32:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that that's absurd.
• 32:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's cute like the sort of concept art of like I just think it's so funny that this cat is like floating in the air and it's like little tail like it doesn't need a tail, you know,
• 32:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Why, why don't they get into it.
• 32:42
  [UNKNOWN]: But I love it.
• 32:43
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just so cute.
• 32:44
  [UNKNOWN]: But the thing is is if we're going to talk about it as a flowermon, the journey ends at skip loom, we let's really miss really and jump left is a really great narrative.
• 32:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I love Pokemon and they do it a lot with the grass types.
• 32:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I love Pokemon that like grow with you as you train them.
• 33:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I think of the Levanti line that has a whole narrative too.
• 33:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, but then on top of that, jump-cloth as a line, I feel like has been like constantly overshadowed because they keep redoing a jump-cloth, like we have gossip blur, we have winds of caught.
• 33:17
  [UNKNOWN]: So people forget about John Plough and we're not even talking about John Plough specifically we're talking about skip loom and I just think skip loom is a funny squishy plushy made a Pokemon with a flower on its head and let's be real the other three that we've already ranked her way more compelling from a design standpoint.
• 33:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 33:39
  [UNKNOWN]: So we're already got, yeah, I think it's cute, but I think it's like C or D, honestly, I'm thinking.
• 33:47
  [UNKNOWN]: See, damn, actually, that's crazy.
• 33:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Do I want to put it in D?
• 33:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like C is like neutral.
• 33:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I'm like, I'm glad it exists.
• 33:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I think because it does, because it's showing the full life stage and I appreciate that, I'm gonna put it in C tier.
• 33:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I also think they're just like cute.
• 34:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I think they are cute Pokemon.
• 34:01
  [UNKNOWN]: They're fine.
• 34:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Because they're early stage.
• 34:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't mind them being like cuties, you know, or like, really plushified, you know, designs.
• 34:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I can take that like, see, I think it's good because while the fire isn't means to an end, it is used to like tell a really fun story.
• 34:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Like if you're training that Pokemon in the game, like it's one of your first catches, it's kind of fun to see it growing as a plant.
• 34:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely.
• 34:27
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, I would probably for the record.
• 34:29
  [UNKNOWN]: I would I would personally probably put it in b, but I think it'll stay see because you guys are in agreement on that.
• 34:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 34:38
  [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, and next up, we got sunflower.
• 34:42
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a.
• 34:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, this is favorite flower.
• 34:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes, let's go.
• 34:45
  [UNKNOWN]: The sunflower.
• 34:46
  [UNKNOWN]: So, so I want you to go back to that page, the flower Wikipedia page.
• 34:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's do it.
• 34:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, I'm not on any more.
• 34:56
  [UNKNOWN]: because I noticed something on this page that will allow me to describe Sunflower really well.
• 35:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 35:03
  [UNKNOWN]: So it says, let me see if I can find it.
• 35:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah.
• 35:07
  [UNKNOWN]: So on the captions of the pictures, it says, from left to right, top to bottom, it's, and it lists all these out.
• 35:12
  [UNKNOWN]: And then it says, Hellyethus.
• 35:17
  [UNKNOWN]: alienate this and is the common sunflower man that is how I feel that is how I feel about sunflower it is an anus it is a booty it is booty cheeks it is so bad it's just a sunflower with a face and that's it there's no story there for real no excuse me to it because I only really get into like aesthetics of Pokemon and then after the fact I try to make them work in battle something about
• 35:47
  [UNKNOWN]: look at them dude look at these DCG cards he is so so jolly we get the light sun flora he's just looking at the ceiling he's just looking at this he's looking at the sun
• 35:58
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, uh, listen, I'm with you.
• 36:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I think the design itself is like, it's essentially just like, it's like, this is like, honestly, Game Freak is lazy and out of a ran out of ideas.
• 36:10
  [UNKNOWN]: This is like the most basic cartoon, like AI Slop of a design.
• 36:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 36:15
  [UNKNOWN]: It's literally just a flower, but then you turn the roots into green feet.
• 36:20
  [UNKNOWN]: It's arms are,
• 36:23
  [UNKNOWN]: It's arms are leaves and they you're right, and they just slap on I don't mind the face being on the flower because that is what a sunflower does and they're big enough and you could see it just like looking towards the sky.
• 36:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I think in concept, this is fine, but this needs to go through like 12 more revisions.
• 36:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm with you.
• 36:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm with you.
• 36:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm on that.
• 36:43
  [UNKNOWN]: But it's grown on more in evolution, a third evolution, a regional something because like they did capture the energy of a sunflower for sure.
• 36:52
  [UNKNOWN]: if we're going to really talk about like the design and what we think about these Pokemon come on some floor like you're but you're you seem fine all right you do seem fine yeah i think i think i think uh what is it called when you like get you stew it and you start appreciating it over time stalks and drum yeah i i i have appreciated sunflower over time kind of interesting also it's called the sun pokemon but the sunflower pokemon but the sun pokemon
• 37:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh look at the pedals closing on the low.
• 37:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's a suit.
• 37:27
  [UNKNOWN]: That is kind of cute.
• 37:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Let me let me if you guys have more stuff to say but I'm going to look up some design trees right now I thought I always thought that gen eight totally missed the chance of having sunflower have a G max that was just like a super long neck like a big head under a field of funny day.
• 37:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which is crazy because that was like the brand of of several of the like G Max forms is they just got like long Meow like me out and oh, I guess like he's acting to her is in a lowland form, but like that was like the trend of just elongating chunky to yeah.
• 38:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 38:05
  [UNKNOWN]: It literally all of its deck centuries literally just say that it absorbs sunlight and then goes to sleep at night.
• 38:12
  [UNKNOWN]: that's all it's literally all says I think this is I think you're right this is kind of a this it's just like it's begging like it if it just needs something it is not a completed work the way it is because it's just
• 38:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, it's not even like, if you look at, uh, if you put the design itself to the side, it's like you can't even really use this Pokemon because it's, it's like stats are not good.
• 38:47
  [UNKNOWN]: where it comes from.
• 38:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Grass types are just like the worst Pokemon to use because there's like so many counters to it that you come across throughout the game.
• 38:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Sounds like a seal issue.
• 39:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Hey, I've never used a sunflower.
• 39:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, that would be kind of be interesting.
• 39:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm actually tempted.
• 39:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I think you've had a harculture system.
• 39:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I think you've had a harculture system.
• 39:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I might actually try a sunflower now.
• 39:10
  [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, all sunflower and as luck, harculture's over.
• 39:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Honestly, you can also get something you can get sun current super early on in a black and white too, and my friend did that, and he had like a killer sunny day set up sunny day Solar beam, I think it's ability maybe helps out anyways, and now that we have now that we have the mega soul ability, the mega game got
• 39:35
  [UNKNOWN]: they need to give this, to give that right with either an evolution or a mega or something.
• 39:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I feel like I'm just, I'm just sorry, I'll keep keep keeping it right.
• 39:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I just think it's just, it just is waiting for that, like something has got to happen.
• 39:51
  [UNKNOWN]: It can't stay this way forever.
• 39:54
  [UNKNOWN]: It just needs something.
• 39:55
  [UNKNOWN]: because you're honestly right that's that's impossible that they're trying to retroactively like repower scale some of these forgot in gen two grass types because like meganium got that we already talked about how jumplet this kind of like left behind two in the conversation isn't before from gen two yeah
• 40:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I feel like this this Pokemon because it is just kind of I feel like when it first came out, it was really fun because it was a new Pokemon, but as time has gone on, it's becoming more and more of just a sunflower and it's just wanting for more.
• 40:39
  [UNKNOWN]: it's so open to so many opportunities, but because of that, I don't think that it's a very strong flowerman right now.
• 40:46
  [UNKNOWN]: No.
• 40:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I want to add one more thing to the conversation that I should have said one hour ago, which is, I actually, I feel like we need more object Pokemon and to me, an object, an object, is really anything that like
• 41:02
  [UNKNOWN]: that commonly you could point out as something that is just like ubiquitous, right?
• 41:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Like just something that like everyone knows and a sunflower, I think, is something that is like transcended of flour.
• 41:12
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just so recognizable.
• 41:14
  [UNKNOWN]: It's larger than life in terms like, you know, in the garden, like, you see it, people know what a sunflower is.
• 41:19
  [UNKNOWN]: And so to say that like,
• 41:21
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, like if we didn't have sunflower, I would be saying where is our sunflower Pokemon that would that just seems so like necessary and I think there are some Pokemon on our list that we've talked about I guess really only sunflower and then like the skip blue line like the dandelion those are so common that I'm like I'm glad that does exist and that probably is why it was these were created in generation two, but so I guess what I'm saying is like
• 41:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm glad Sunflora exists.
• 41:52
  [UNKNOWN]: How would anybody have to do it?
• 41:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, somebody's got to do it.
• 41:55
  [UNKNOWN]: How would you make it better?
• 41:56
  [UNKNOWN]: You're not doing it.
• 41:58
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what I would say to the haters.
• 41:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, why don't you make us on flower for a moment?
• 42:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's put it at, honestly, I wouldn't mind if it's indeed a tear.
• 42:08
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think I'd like it more than skip one.
• 42:10
  [UNKNOWN]: So I got a positive tear.
• 42:12
  [UNKNOWN]: No way.
• 42:13
  [UNKNOWN]: It's one more thing.
• 42:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I was like, in some current it's just a little seed.
• 42:17
  [UNKNOWN]: He's just a little seed.
• 42:20
  [UNKNOWN]: looking at those, uh, all those TCG cards.
• 42:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I just realized something else about sunflower.
• 42:27
  [UNKNOWN]: It looks like the freaking baby son in teletubbies.
• 42:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Dude, that's what I'm saying.
• 42:34
  [UNKNOWN]: It's such crazy.
• 42:35
  [UNKNOWN]: It's the face on it.
• 42:37
  [UNKNOWN]: It's so cartoon.
• 42:39
  [UNKNOWN]: That's so cursed, bro.
• 42:41
  [UNKNOWN]: That's the third evolution where it becomes a psychic grass type.
• 42:44
  [UNKNOWN]: It loses the green and it just floats like a strange baby.
• 42:48
  [UNKNOWN]: It stops my long two.
• 42:49
  [UNKNOWN]: The eyes open and it stops smiling.
• 42:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Fawn, I love that you said that because what I was going to bring up earlier.
• 42:54
  [UNKNOWN]: No, grass psychic actually might be.
• 42:58
  [UNKNOWN]: That might we're all expecting if sunflower ever gets like an evolution.
• 43:02
  [UNKNOWN]: It'll be like grass and fire type But I think psychic actually might be what it gets.
• 43:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking like a spooky not a fortune teller But like a mystic Almost like a like an like an astronomy based evolution.
• 43:17
  [UNKNOWN]: It's violent death century says
• 43:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Rodent.
• 43:20
  [UNKNOWN]: It's violent.
• 43:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Dex entry says sense it converts sunlight into energy.
• 43:24
  [UNKNOWN]: It is always looking in the direction of the sun.
• 43:26
  [UNKNOWN]: So I'm a mad.
• 43:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess I don't even know how to describe it, but it's like it's not a compass, but you know what I'm saying?
• 43:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Like it's it's like it's like worshiping the sun, right?
• 43:35
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like
• 43:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's religious in that way and prophetic like it's it's almost becomes a tool for fart like I feel like there's there could be some cool layers here if you play with that like where it's facing in the sign it could like change its stats like maybe it'll come in in the sun is randomly facing south so now.
• 43:54
  [UNKNOWN]: sunflower is facing it's like literally not looking actually which would look kind of funny I think I would go into its personality and maybe I have like higher defense or something Yeah, it needs some action listen for the record it has 105 special attack We talk we talk smack that's not bad 105 special attacks not bad all right.
• 44:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's put it in c tier
• 44:14
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• 44:23
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• 47:29
  [UNKNOWN]: fine with sea.
• 47:30
  [UNKNOWN]: I still think that it's cute.
• 47:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that skip lumen sunflower.
• 47:33
  [UNKNOWN]: They are cuties, but they will never ever compare to the nuance that we're seeing in Belossam.
• 47:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, and then after that, it's like, they don't even compare to A and S to me.
• 47:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Belossam is like a threshold of like, just a little bit more sauce.
• 47:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 47:49
  [UNKNOWN]: That's, listen, that's true.
• 47:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not, I said, I'm not a fan of Belossam, but you are right.
• 47:53
  [UNKNOWN]: It has, it does, I actually do look at it and I'm like,
• 47:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Like there's there's a it's got personality.
• 48:00
  [UNKNOWN]: It's doing a something.
• 48:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm here.
• 48:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 48:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 48:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I was seeing I'm well.
• 48:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm doing the looming math.
• 48:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to do the looming.
• 48:06
  [UNKNOWN]: No, listen because I know.
• 48:08
  [UNKNOWN]: No, let me let me let me let me explain because I am I am I am like strongly in F tier for this Pokemon.
• 48:16
  [UNKNOWN]: No, come on.
• 48:17
  [UNKNOWN]: It's your favorite power.
• 48:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Does that count for us?
• 48:20
  [UNKNOWN]: That's why it's such a disappointment.
• 48:25
  [UNKNOWN]: So I would put it in F, and if you guys are both in C, I think that goes to D according to the list.
• 48:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, average it out.
• 48:35
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• 48:43
  [UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
• 48:43
  [UNKNOWN]: It goes to D. I'm going to put it in D locking it in.
• 48:46
  [UNKNOWN]: We can't go back.
• 48:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 48:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's spend 60 seconds looking at some fake mon for sunflower evolutions.
• 48:52
  [UNKNOWN]: We got sun fluorid, where it, it looks like me, Alscarata.
• 48:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if I like that.
• 48:59
  [UNKNOWN]: This is one of my favorite, sunflower by on-do region, where it basically continues to grow.
• 49:06
  [UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of things going on here.
• 49:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Basically, it's body.
• 49:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Instead of now looking like a cartoon, like stick figure, it's body now resembles like, it's like hardened in the ground.
• 49:17
  [UNKNOWN]: It's become really strong.
• 49:18
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, you know, there's even some like,
• 49:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Like like dirt brown on the bottom of its body because it's just like it'll just settle itself into the into the earth.
• 49:27
  [UNKNOWN]: But it grows these additional heads that are like at different stages of like they all have like different personalities and the first the biggest head is facing the sun.
• 49:37
  [UNKNOWN]: So much it's gotten so tall that it also catches on fire and that in and that is a version of or that's like a cool I guess like adaptation for like or like application of what we do with sunflowers which is like they dry out and then the seeds fall out right so it's like burning up.
• 49:55
  [UNKNOWN]: And then the next stage, maybe it's mega, is that it's like spitting, bro, this thing needs to, like fire, wobbeth it.
• 50:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Like that hot flower is like not nice to touch.
• 50:06
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 50:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I think if some flower or some floor does get an evolution, we talked about what like the sun can do like the energy, because it's all about absorbing the sun energy.
• 50:19
  [UNKNOWN]: And we've seen that kind of before with like a lowland executor comes to mind
• 50:25
  [UNKNOWN]: It gets all that sun energy from a lola, and that translates by becoming a dragon type, which is not what you would expect, but it's like it's basically like converting that energy into like maximizing itself.
• 50:47
  [UNKNOWN]: fire type because that's two on the nose.
• 50:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it would like get something that like maximizes whatever they're trying to go for with it.
• 50:54
  [UNKNOWN]: So like you said, maybe it's a psychic type or maybe it's like, I don't know, some other kind of type, but I feel like it would be a left.
• 51:02
  [UNKNOWN]: It would be like a curved ball sort of thing where it's like you didn't expect it.
• 51:06
  [UNKNOWN]: But it kind of gives it a little more, a little more personality because you're like, whoa, this thing became psychic diaper or became fighting type or something like that.
• 51:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I didn't expect that.
• 51:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I like the idea of dragon.
• 51:18
  [UNKNOWN]: And I like when I like to apply a dragon to a Pokemon that's this deep into the franchise that's kind of like slept on and seen as like weak and unusable.
• 51:27
  [UNKNOWN]: And then it becomes a dragon because that is kind of how some dragons naturally evolve, even in their generations,
• 51:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Pokemon aren't very strong until they find that peak.
• 51:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that blend right is like a little as a little apple and then you might be fine because it's like oh 20 years later it finally evolved.
• 51:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you might say you might even say that they're late bloomers.
• 51:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, here we're doing it.
• 51:52
  [UNKNOWN]: This is good.
• 51:53
  [UNKNOWN]: That's good.
• 51:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's get a counter.
• 51:54
  [UNKNOWN]: This is good.
• 51:54
  [UNKNOWN]: This is good.
• 51:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, I mean, this is honestly the best episode of all time.
• 51:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm seeing, so there's actually a lot of mega evolutions here, which are kind of cool.
• 52:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Like this one looks like a whole flurry, and there's a bunch of different sunflowers.
• 52:07
  [UNKNOWN]: It's this one's so cool.
• 52:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't even know how to describe it.
• 52:10
  [UNKNOWN]: It's bursting with like solar energy fire, and it's like there's a bunch of different, uh,
• 52:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Sunflowers below it.
• 52:17
  [UNKNOWN]: There was one I saw.
• 52:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I thought was so, so special, where I just, it kind of reminded me, yeah, right here, mega sunflower, it kind of does the mega meginium thing where it's like, it's stock.
• 52:26
  [UNKNOWN]: It's so much longer.
• 52:28
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's head grows becomes an even bigger sunflower and it glows like the sun.
• 52:34
  [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of cool.
• 52:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is, I think there's a lot of cool things you do with sunflower.
• 52:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, you know, Dan, there's like this actually goes so deep.
• 52:43
  [UNKNOWN]: And then you have like the beta sun flora where it It looks like it almost is like a diglet where it's like perpetually in the ground and I don't know if I like that Oh, there was one which is one more one more for audio listeners This is almost like a rework of sun flora like a redesign of sunflower
• 53:03
  [UNKNOWN]: And I kind of like they put pedals on its back almost like wings and I think even that, even if it couldn't fly, I think even that could do a lot for the design because now it's body looks a little bit more layered and dynamic.
• 53:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, they also give it like a tail, but it's a pedal.
• 53:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Or it's like a leaf.
• 53:21
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a sort of like earth or terrestrial dragon to me.
• 53:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, but I just think that makes the design like a lot more dynamic Rather than just being like a green Dude, and it's got like a lumpy body.
• 53:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I guess I shouldn't say that I have a lumpy body, but I'm just saying it's just like such a weird Pokemon
• 53:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe I would put it in after you're all right.
• 53:42
  [UNKNOWN]: So it's going to it's going to detear.
• 53:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's round off the cancel Pokemon.
• 53:45
  [UNKNOWN]: We've got Victory Bell and Venus or Victory Bell.
• 53:51
  [UNKNOWN]: So actually fun.
• 53:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Help me out with this because you you made this list is Victory Bell a flower.
• 53:57
  [UNKNOWN]: It's based on If you look at that.
• 53:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it is.
• 54:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, let me pull up this review too.
• 54:03
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a really called it's a card neverace.
• 54:04
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a card neverace plant.
• 54:06
  [UNKNOWN]: It's said to be based off of either two different ones.
• 54:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I know it's either like the carnivorous pitcher plant, or people have also said that it could be based off of, I think it's called like a bell flower, but either way, I think it's more of a pitcher plant.
• 54:22
  [UNKNOWN]: it does technically flower.
• 54:24
  [UNKNOWN]: The reason why I put this here is because it is technically a flower and I thought that I would make a conversation very interesting.
• 54:30
  [UNKNOWN]: To me, I had already gone into it being like this will be low tier, but I wanted to like show where the designs do go.
• 54:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Even in Victory Bill, that is technically a flowering Pokémon.
• 54:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 54:44
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think you're right.
• 54:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I think the picture, I do think that basically, I got a, yeah, picture plants are carnivorous plants that have modified leaves.
• 54:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, the modified leaves known as pitfall traps.
• 54:56
  [UNKNOWN]: So it is a leaf, but I think it does have a flower.
• 55:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, where would you put this hoops?
• 55:03
  [UNKNOWN]: What do you think in?
• 55:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to find what it's, I'm trying to find that flower that you mentioned.
• 55:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to, I would say, I mean, victory bell in general is like fine, so I would probably say it's probably like a c tier, but
• 55:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Because it's not like amongst the flowers it's not really giving flower that much so I'm tempted to maybe say like a D just because it's not like it's flowery but it's it's either it's one of those two because it's like it's not bad it's victory balance like it's it's it's one of the OG's but it's not as flowery for sure.
• 55:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I am, I found the flower, I found the reference.
• 55:44
  [UNKNOWN]: The reason why I put this here is because Bell Sprout in the origin sort of section of the trivia.
• 55:50
  [UNKNOWN]: It says, given that Bell Sprout has been depicted among Bell Flowers in the Japanese name of Violet City, home of Sprout Tower.
• 55:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's really the flower Pokemon.
• 56:00
  [UNKNOWN]: OK. Means Chinese Bell Flower, it might be based off the Chinese Bell Flower.
• 56:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 56:06
  [UNKNOWN]: So I still don't think that it looks like a flower though, but that is where it's like coming from.
• 56:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's honestly the kudos to you because like I would not have even thought of that, but yeah, like it literally having the category of flower Pokemon, we got to give it some credit.
• 56:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, yeah, very little time comes.
• 56:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's in the conversation.
• 56:30
  [UNKNOWN]: It has earned, like it's in the club.
• 56:33
  [UNKNOWN]: It's in the club.
• 56:35
  [UNKNOWN]: He gets a pass.
• 56:36
  [UNKNOWN]: He gets a pass.
• 56:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess they're not technically flowers, but it does look like a, it does look like a flower.
• 56:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Because it's got the leaves and then it's like the separation of the body.
• 56:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is like, I don't know, I guess my opinion.
• 56:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, I love victory, Val, but you're right for a flower.
• 56:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, maybe maybe maybe you have to hear for a flower.
• 56:56
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think this is similar to Vow Plum where it's like,
• 56:59
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, we got these nasty stinky carnivorous.
• 57:02
  [UNKNOWN]: This is like the other side of the spectrum.
• 57:04
  [UNKNOWN]: You got beauty and you got, what's like a nice way to say discussed?
• 57:11
  [UNKNOWN]: There's got to be a nice way to say like disgusting and gross and smelly repriences of the words.
• 57:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's say it's like it's like you do your own thing.
• 57:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 57:20
  [UNKNOWN]: There's there's got to be a good way to say it.
• 57:21
  [UNKNOWN]: You do.
• 57:22
  [UNKNOWN]: That's in gross and smelly.
• 57:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
• 57:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, perfect.
• 57:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Listen, I like victory.
• 57:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, a lot.
• 57:28
  [UNKNOWN]: What about it's mega.
• 57:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Actually, hold on.
• 57:29
  [UNKNOWN]: What about it's mega?
• 57:31
  [UNKNOWN]: What did I thought about making crazy?
• 57:33
  [UNKNOWN]: the mega looks more flowery but that's a leaf right yeah it doesn't have a flower but one thing that's crazy about the mega is that it's low key kind of based on like
• 57:47
  [UNKNOWN]: This is kind of a strong down on the left.
• 57:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Keep going.
• 57:51
  [UNKNOWN]: This, look at that screen shot.
• 57:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, we've looked at this.
• 57:54
  [UNKNOWN]: That's insane dude.
• 57:55
  [UNKNOWN]: That's actually, this actually goes into what I was going to talk about because mega victory ball is kind of low key.
• 58:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe it's a little bit of a stretch, but kind of low key based on alcoholism.
• 58:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm not even joking you because the way the way that it wraps it's it's like vine around it's neck and then the shape of it's body causes it to like resemble a gourd or like a wine skin which were things that people used to store their wine in
• 58:26
  [UNKNOWN]: And then the way that it throws up it's poison like that's the wine and and you could even say that yeah, it's It's fermentation.
• 58:35
  [UNKNOWN]: We it's throwing it up because it's drunk basically.
• 58:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's kind of we need a key kind of a thing We need like a gin Pokemon right like a like a floral like a like a like a floral alcohol Pokemon
• 58:49
  [UNKNOWN]: That's when we go back to Univa and they start doing like the style.
• 58:54
  [UNKNOWN]: We'll start getting moonshine.
• 58:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, wow.
• 58:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I keep forgetting I have this page.
• 59:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm like pulling out flowers in my binder and then I'm like, wait, no, I have this amazing website by my friend Sam.
• 59:07
  [UNKNOWN]: BabiesPC.com where you can see all the flower art or all the the Pokemon card art.
• 59:14
  [UNKNOWN]: This is one of my favorite victory bells right here.
• 59:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Look at how beautiful he is.
• 59:19
  [UNKNOWN]: He's in Erica's gym floating from the rafters amongst these like, you know, beautiful flowers.
• 59:27
  [UNKNOWN]: So, so good.
• 59:28
  [UNKNOWN]: That's the card I got right here.
• 59:30
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think I think listen, Vitribel, he could be pretty.
• 59:34
  [UNKNOWN]: He could be icon for sure, but he could be pretty.
• 59:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't see it.
• 59:37
  [UNKNOWN]: You don't see it.
• 59:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, now that I see it now that picture of it like in era because Jim are really like all the flowers or whatever it kind of that's very pretty it kind of gives predatory like carnivorous plant like almost trying to trick you into thinking it's a flower.
• 59:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so it's kind of like a it's like a original mimic you.
• 1:00:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I need this card is so this card is stunning for a card is surprising.
• 1:00:08
  [UNKNOWN]: This is I've never seen a card art like this ever before.
• 1:00:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I also have this card art.
• 1:00:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I have a lot of victory bells, but I want to get this one, too, from Legends Maker.
• 1:00:18
  [UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
• 1:00:19
  [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I don't think victory bells are on an F tier.
• 1:00:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Can we put them in D?
• 1:00:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:00:24
  [UNKNOWN]: He's better than Sunflora.
• 1:00:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I was going to say D, too, and go.
• 1:00:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, okay.
• 1:00:29
  [UNKNOWN]: There we go.
• 1:00:31
  [UNKNOWN]: And then then the OG Venusaur.
• 1:00:34
  [UNKNOWN]: What do we think about Venusaur?
• 1:00:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Venus or has a really cool flower story.
• 1:00:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I never really thought of it until I put the list together.
• 1:00:42
  [UNKNOWN]: But I really appreciate how many different ways they express the flower and all of Venus' forms.
• 1:00:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I rag on Charizard a lot, because I'm like, oh, you could literally make Charizard a triangle and people would love it.
• 1:00:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Charizard's square, Charizard, like they just keep doing their deoxys form.
• 1:00:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 1:01:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 1:01:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Charizard.
• 1:01:01
  [UNKNOWN]: But here they do make...
• 1:01:04
  [UNKNOWN]: modifications to the flower.
• 1:01:05
  [UNKNOWN]: And even the checking.
• 1:01:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, do you think that was it for God?
• 1:01:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:01:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:01:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I think the source does it really well.
• 1:01:11
  [UNKNOWN]: It kind of gets spoiled because it is like one of the OGs.
• 1:01:15
  [UNKNOWN]: But yeah, with that in mind, it's all executed very well.
• 1:01:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Dude.
• 1:01:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:01:20
  [UNKNOWN]: And this is also, this is, I mean, this is the original plant Pokemon.
• 1:01:23
  [UNKNOWN]: So you have like, bulbous sort of seed, then developing into a, I view sore, which by the way, I got to say like,
• 1:01:30
  [UNKNOWN]: I was there was a version of this tier list where you had I visor representing the the the line and I was super disappointed.
• 1:01:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I didn't want to argue about it because you did the work, but I visor so good.
• 1:01:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I visor ester.
• 1:01:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is like stunning like it's a little bit tough.
• 1:01:46
  [UNKNOWN]: It's cute.
• 1:01:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It's it's a monster.
• 1:01:48
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like.
• 1:01:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It's pretty, I don't know, it's nice.
• 1:01:50
  [UNKNOWN]: It kind of looks like it has a rose on the back.
• 1:01:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I think the second, I think the second stage evolution of all the starters need to have their own split evolution that looks more like them in the third phase.
• 1:02:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't like to get a desired war total or Venus or if I had to choose.
• 1:02:05
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a really good take.
• 1:02:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Imagine, no, you're right.
• 1:02:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Imagine like not war total blastoise.
• 1:02:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I like war total.
• 1:02:11
  [UNKNOWN]: We're totally good.
• 1:02:11
  [UNKNOWN]: But imagine like Charmillian, staying red in an evolution, not flying and becoming like a dragon on all fours or something like that.
• 1:02:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah.
• 1:02:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's tough.
• 1:02:22
  [UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of good ones.
• 1:02:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I think, yeah, and then finally Venusaur, which personally I've never been a big fan of because I feel like it's just like, it's a frog, it's like a little bit too lumpy for me for, I just didn't feel it.
• 1:02:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I like Ivy Sword because it's like, it feels agile.
• 1:02:38
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got that quickness.
• 1:02:40
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think Venusaur loses that, which is not a problem, but it's just like, hasn't been my preference.
• 1:02:47
  [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, I guess Venusaur and Venusaur in like, it's a Venusaur, that this is like a different take on a flower.
• 1:02:55
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got this, it's kind of doing what victory bellows doing.
• 1:02:57
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like it's this disgusting beast, but it, it's like the flower is carrying.
• 1:03:02
  [UNKNOWN]: The flower is kind of making
• 1:03:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Where would you guys put it?
• 1:03:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, and then, again, I think the mega is kind of like a silly little cop out.
• 1:03:13
  [UNKNOWN]: They just put a flower on its forehead.
• 1:03:15
  [UNKNOWN]: It gets a little bit more juffer me, it gets a little bit more jungly, the G Max is, is honestly sick.
• 1:03:22
  [UNKNOWN]: This is what, honestly, you're right, this is what a, I bet, I bet there's a version where they were considering a G Max vial plume and then he said, let's just, let's just give it to Venusaur.
• 1:03:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because this is this is the giant flower that we were talking
• 1:03:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Where I believe the female actually you can actually see has the seed on it's like a little crown which is kind of interesting that's like an element that's like in a that's like a yeah I don't know that's like a lot of home one have those like gender differences but like in a flower it's going to be you know a representation of a real life yeah let's let's find an example here yeah here we go that shiny and gender four is so pretty that is good.
• 1:04:14
  [UNKNOWN]: that is good.
• 1:04:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, dude.
• 1:04:15
  [UNKNOWN]: That's nice.
• 1:04:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, so where would you put this?
• 1:04:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Where would you put this guy?
• 1:04:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Oops.
• 1:04:21
  [UNKNOWN]: You say first.
• 1:04:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:04:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to say B tier because it's not, I would agree.
• 1:04:32
  [UNKNOWN]: And that it's not like my favorite final starter evolution ever, but
• 1:04:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I think amongst these other flower Pokemon, like the sunflowers and the skip looms of the world, it definitely beats those guys.
• 1:04:48
  [UNKNOWN]: And the flower is a pretty significant part of the design.
• 1:04:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm going to go beat here.
• 1:04:54
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got its own flavor.
• 1:04:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I guess it still maintains that it's like a crazy monster or we'll go beat here.
• 1:05:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I wouldn't beat you.
• 1:05:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I think.
• 1:05:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe even a being the seed Pokemon and like the first one to do flowers and the first one in the decks, it definitely has set standards that you can see other Pokemon have like taken like sort of design elements out of it, but I feel like by the end of it,
• 1:05:21
  [UNKNOWN]: it's less about the flower and more about the fact that like venous or itself was the plant.
• 1:05:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Does that make sense?
• 1:05:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a frog with the flower on it, which I think makes it like feel less flowery than like the likes of meganium.
• 1:05:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I will say that venous or in all of its iterations, no real rough edges.
• 1:05:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Like it's a great design Pokemon every time they do it.
• 1:05:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:05:45
  [UNKNOWN]: But I just
• 1:05:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think Venusaur is known as a flower.
• 1:05:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's it is weird because it's like it's weird because it's like the flat I don't know it's almost like it has like a parasitic relationship to the flower like it's right it's not the flower it's the frog who kind of like parasect it's like is that a mushroom no it's a bug but it was like a absorbed by the mushroom Um, so Viasor is a victim to the flower this artist really girl.
• 1:06:21
  [UNKNOWN]: It's oh my god look at a good this artist.
• 1:06:23
  [UNKNOWN]: That's crazy
• 1:06:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, man, that's kind of cool.
• 1:06:26
  [UNKNOWN]: You're right.
• 1:06:26
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, it's like, if I'm holding a, if I'm holding a bouquet, I'm not a flower.
• 1:06:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm just a fan.
• 1:06:34
  [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of how it is.
• 1:06:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I would say B is cool for it too.
• 1:06:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I'd part of me wants to do A because of the legacy, but I do think that viral plum is a little bit more of a flower.
• 1:06:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Like they both look like similar to.
• 1:06:46
  [UNKNOWN]: So.
• 1:06:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm with you.
• 1:06:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:06:48
  [UNKNOWN]: So it goes to B.
• 1:06:51
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think we can jump on to generation three.
• 1:06:53
  [UNKNOWN]: There's some cool ones here.
• 1:06:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Cackenia is up first.
• 1:06:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I like this.
• 1:06:58
  [UNKNOWN]: This is also really cool.
• 1:06:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Because I think yeah, Cackenia is the first cactus.
• 1:07:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Pokemon.
• 1:07:02
  [UNKNOWN]: So like the first two generations, you get all these like classic just flower flower flower or whatever you want to think about, but then generation three now they're like they're getting a little bit more creative with the plants and Cackany is on this list because I don't know like we think of a cactus we think of the desert, but
• 1:07:19
  [UNKNOWN]: those are plants and they flower.
• 1:07:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And what's really cool about what I like about cacknia is that he's got a little flower crown.
• 1:07:26
  [UNKNOWN]: He's like, I look at him and I'm like, this is like the young desert prince.
• 1:07:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Everyone says flag on is the look at this card that has cacknia with some flowers in this.
• 1:07:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Like on is cacknia is like night, like left hand ringing man.
• 1:07:40
  [UNKNOWN]: That's how I like it.
• 1:07:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Cacknia rides flag on.
• 1:07:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like noble steed.
• 1:07:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:07:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:07:47
  [UNKNOWN]: So, and I honestly, I, I really like cackenia.
• 1:07:51
  [UNKNOWN]: This again, I feel like we're slowly peeling this back, and it's like we're seeing flowers utilized in different ways.
• 1:07:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think this is as much a flower Pokemon as sunflower, and maybe you don't like sunflower, but this is a proper design.
• 1:08:05
  [UNKNOWN]: This is good.
• 1:08:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I honestly want to put cackenia, I guess, okay, I like cackenia, so I want to put them in S tier, but maybe as a flower
• 1:08:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess it's not giving flowerman, but it is a flowerman.
• 1:08:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like this has to be at least be maybe a I'm going to put it in egg because I like Yeah, whoops.
• 1:08:24
  [UNKNOWN]: You got to go after me, but I have to say a to I will agree.
• 1:08:27
  [UNKNOWN]: This is why I do flower like sunflower but that
• 1:08:31
  [UNKNOWN]: little like if I think about the story of it by Gen 3 having this little cactus and it's a dark type It's true.
• 1:08:38
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just so different and then it has a little crown on its head, but I have a bias towards that stuff.
• 1:08:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I love I just think that it's so simple, but it's so effective.
• 1:08:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and it
• 1:08:49
  [UNKNOWN]: that little crown is is one of those deciding factors that makes me always consider whenever I have a cackney in a play through.
• 1:08:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Do I really want to evolve this?
• 1:08:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Because I do like its evolution, but yeah.
• 1:09:00
  [UNKNOWN]: It's such a cute Pokemon.
• 1:09:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I just noticed cackney is not grass type.
• 1:09:04
  [UNKNOWN]: When it evolves, it becomes I'm sorry, it's not dark type.
• 1:09:08
  [UNKNOWN]: When cackney evolves, it gets a dark type, but it loses the
• 1:09:13
  [UNKNOWN]: So I wonder if there's something there where it needs to get like another evolution, a split, uh, and maybe the flowers will just go crazy in that regard, uh, the dex entry say that it lives in error locations.
• 1:09:25
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a yellow flowers bloom once a year.
• 1:09:28
  [UNKNOWN]: So it's kind of just like, he's just waiting for his moment.
• 1:09:31
  [UNKNOWN]: That's good.
• 1:09:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Once a year, a yellow flower blooms.
• 1:09:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Ooh, the strong aroma from its flower attracts prey.
• 1:09:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Hey, I wonder what that's that's kind of cool.
• 1:09:44
  [UNKNOWN]: It's yellow flower blooms once a year, maybe the evolution is if it evolves during that period and we don't see this in the game.
• 1:09:52
  [UNKNOWN]: It just always has its like flower right, but if it evolves during that period, like when it's flowers and bloom, maybe it evolves not into a dark type, maybe it evolves into a dark type and normally because it doesn't have its flower and it's sad and it just leans, yeah, you know what I'm saying.
• 1:10:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, I got a, that sounds like a fun rabbit hole to go down and make a Pokemon out of that.
• 1:10:14
  [UNKNOWN]: It's been interesting to see how the flowers are removed and added, depending on the way that types are adjusted.
• 1:10:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I didn't think about that.
• 1:10:21
  [UNKNOWN]: I didn't either.
• 1:10:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I just saw that.
• 1:10:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Where do you guys want to put them?
• 1:10:26
  [UNKNOWN]: A tier?
• 1:10:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm kind of surprised, honestly, that you guys both went a tier, because I was thinking that's it.
• 1:10:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I, no, I was actually going to say c tier to be honest.
• 1:10:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, and the reason why is because I would actually probably put cactin as like a Pokemon in B tier But as a flower, I know that it has a flower and cactuses have flowers, but like when you think of a cactus You think of like the cactus you don't reflect like the flowers on the cactus and so I see cactin as less of a flower Pokemon.
• 1:11:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, personally
• 1:11:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I have to agree because even as I'm saying like I love that crown it right when I was like about to like present how I felt about it I have to acknowledge that it being a cactus much like with victory ball it's like I just can't look past the fact that the context of this doesn't feel like flower until I acknowledge the crown like it just feels cactus yeah I love this cactus
• 1:11:34
  [UNKNOWN]: is it a flower?
• 1:11:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:11:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it has a secret evolution.
• 1:11:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to have to commission this.
• 1:11:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Actually, I'm just like, like, if we look at the, if we look at our whole roster, um, just kind of like judging the floweriness of them, it's definitely below, I would say it's definitely below like blossom and Venus or.
• 1:11:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I would possibly even put it like below skip loom just because skip loom at least has like a big flower on its head.
• 1:12:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you're fine.
• 1:12:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I kind of I agree with that hoops.
• 1:12:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it should go lower than Venus or I just if it was a Pokemon itself as plus I just love you.
• 1:12:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Boba PDS says that cackney and maybe based on the barrel cactus Who would says possibly a jack lantern.
• 1:12:21
  [UNKNOWN]: That's actually kind of fun And This is the barrel cactus and we've seen these like you can get these at like What do they just like you know Husker garden.
• 1:12:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, cause yeah, it centers
• 1:12:34
  [UNKNOWN]: And they do have like a little flower on them, but I feel like, I mean, maybe he's just got a bit up.
• 1:12:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Even in these pictures, come on the source material.
• 1:12:42
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not giving flowers.
• 1:12:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Sometimes there is a flower, but how about this?
• 1:12:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you.
• 1:12:46
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a flower.
• 1:12:47
  [UNKNOWN]: You are not.
• 1:12:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's put it this way.
• 1:12:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I think, to judge how flowery these are, they have to pass the sniff test, and the sniff test is, would you pick it up and go like this?
• 1:13:02
  [UNKNOWN]: And just bury your nose.
• 1:13:03
  [UNKNOWN]: You're right, dude, and I'm like, what the heck is this?
• 1:13:05
  [UNKNOWN]: You might know you would not do that with this.
• 1:13:07
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a good point.
• 1:13:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I like that the sniff test.
• 1:13:09
  [UNKNOWN]: That's that's valid.
• 1:13:10
  [UNKNOWN]: That is valid.
• 1:13:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Dammit, and this one, the flower doesn't even look like a flower.
• 1:13:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I think they didn't even get the
• 1:13:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so where is it going?
• 1:13:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe B, B, C, we would see B or C. It does just, it has the perspective of the skip loom.
• 1:13:29
  [UNKNOWN]: You're right.
• 1:13:29
  [UNKNOWN]: That's fair.
• 1:13:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:13:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, then on the flip side, another one of my favorite Pokemon is our girl, Maractus.
• 1:13:37
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think this one, I think this one is giving flower.
• 1:13:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I love Maractus.
• 1:13:45
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:45
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:46
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:46
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:48
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:50
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:50
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:51
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:52
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:53
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:54
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:54
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:55
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:55
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:56
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:57
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:58
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:58
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:13:59
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:14:00
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:14:00
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:14:01
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:14:01
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:14:02
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:14:02
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a murder.
• 1:14:03
  [UNKNOWN]: She's got these like dead eyes, these like dead coin eyes.
• 1:14:09
  [UNKNOWN]: The idea of her being another cactus Pokemon and they were like, well, let's make it a girl and then they just added cactus pig tail.
• 1:14:17
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just, it's fine.
• 1:14:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
• 1:14:18
  [UNKNOWN]: It is good.
• 1:14:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:14:20
  [UNKNOWN]: But then I want the sad thing though and this isn't a knock against Maractus because it's not its fault.
• 1:14:27
  [UNKNOWN]: But like that was basically where they stopped.
• 1:14:30
  [UNKNOWN]: They were like, let's do a cactus but a girl.
• 1:14:33
  [UNKNOWN]: and then they've gone.
• 1:14:35
  [UNKNOWN]: They didn't really do anything with it.
• 1:14:37
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's unfortunate because it's like we and it's odd because I could maybe see it if this was the first cactus Pokemon but wasn't even the first cactus Pokemon.
• 1:14:48
  [UNKNOWN]: So it's not like it was like I'm it fits like Gen 5 fits Unova but it wasn't like something unique that like had to happen either.
• 1:15:00
  [UNKNOWN]: So it's kind of odd that they
• 1:15:03
  [UNKNOWN]: They were like, okay, let's do this, but like, let's just like, let's just like do it a half step.
• 1:15:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's not go the whole full on fleshed out, like, to the nine's type of things.
• 1:15:18
  [UNKNOWN]: It's seriously, oh yeah, go.
• 1:15:20
  [UNKNOWN]: What do you just said?
• 1:15:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:15:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I think if I was going to rank her on like my favorite Pokemon that just feel like I would run them,
• 1:15:30
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess what it is is I'm so fond of her because like you said hoops, she is there.
• 1:15:36
  [UNKNOWN]: She's one of the most even to this day, one of the most unique and like out of the box design.
• 1:15:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:15:42
  [UNKNOWN]: And then they just seem to have forgotten that she existed.
• 1:15:45
  [UNKNOWN]: And that simple fact alone is why I love her.
• 1:15:47
  [UNKNOWN]: So.
• 1:15:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah.
• 1:15:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It's so underdog.
• 1:15:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Where does you come from and where are you going?
• 1:15:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know, but here you are caught not Joe.
• 1:15:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:15:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's a miraculous.
• 1:15:59
  [UNKNOWN]: A miraculous appears to be based on a flowering cactus, most likely the prickly pear and a maraca.
• 1:16:05
  [UNKNOWN]: It also physically resembles a rabbit and maybe a visual pond on the bunny ear cactus.
• 1:16:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, and so we've got the apuntia
• 1:16:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's see a puntia.
• 1:16:17
  [UNKNOWN]: That's just what it is.
• 1:16:18
  [UNKNOWN]: The puntia, the prickly paracactus.
• 1:16:20
  [UNKNOWN]: This is what it looks like.
• 1:16:21
  [UNKNOWN]: We've seen these.
• 1:16:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like these are like in cowboy movies.
• 1:16:25
  [UNKNOWN]: And funny enough, I guess.
• 1:16:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Is that like red part of the cactus?
• 1:16:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Is that the fruit?
• 1:16:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the flower becomes the fruit.
• 1:16:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Sure.
• 1:16:37
  [UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, this is kind of, I still feel like these are the flowers.
• 1:16:41
  [UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
• 1:16:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I just, she's like, girly, girly, flowery, flowery.
• 1:16:44
  [UNKNOWN]: She's got two flowers, basically.
• 1:16:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:16:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I still feel like this is the same category as Cacania.
• 1:16:51
  [UNKNOWN]: But maybe I just have an affinity for Cacca's Pokemon.
• 1:16:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm learning that.
• 1:16:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:16:57
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just like an ice spin on the flower.
• 1:16:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, flower Pokemon.
• 1:17:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:17:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess I'm realizing the miraculous should have like,
• 1:17:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I think the design is really really good, but like, I don't know, I feel like maybe the missed opportunities having those maybe the evolution needs to have the fruits, you know, and like the flowers can make berries like a berry type or something.
• 1:17:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and and what's cool about a cactus is like,
• 1:17:23
  [UNKNOWN]: if one of them breaks off, it's going to fall in the ground and it's going to it's aerial roots will start working and it'll just continue to reproduce.
• 1:17:30
  [UNKNOWN]: This thing is like, okay, anyways, all right, Mike, uh, not, uh, miraculous, where are we thinking?
• 1:17:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Why is he up there in a putter?
• 1:17:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I putter in there.
• 1:17:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I like, I like, I like her.
• 1:17:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I like her.
• 1:17:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I like her.
• 1:17:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess, is there a world where
• 1:17:54
  [UNKNOWN]: similar to like glalian in galaid or or frostlass and glalian not i mean i don't know yeah it's it's it's weird because again would that make us appreciate it more because it wouldn't feel so i lost a distant i feel like that would get it more attention for sure but it's it's just kind of weird because it's like yeah it totally could have been that thing that's sort of thing but it's not
• 1:18:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's like, yeah, it's just like, why?
• 1:18:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, what's going on here?
• 1:18:26
  [UNKNOWN]: It feels like there's more to the story that we don't know yet that would explain why that just exists.
• 1:18:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:18:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I do like that they gave her like claws because they're like spiny cactus thorns.
• 1:18:40
  [UNKNOWN]: When you look at this design, you can tell that there was some density behind the concepts.
• 1:18:45
  [UNKNOWN]: And then it's just like, no word after that.
• 1:18:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:18:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Listen, somebody's brain.
• 1:18:50
  [UNKNOWN]: One day alone in creativity and then like one hit wonder, that's all he needs to be.
• 1:18:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I love that it has water absorbed because like in a desert and he's sort of water that exists.
• 1:19:00
  [UNKNOWN]: It's going to be sucking it up and holding on to it.
• 1:19:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe it needs a water type of evolution.
• 1:19:06
  [UNKNOWN]: That actually could be not even kidding because like a fruit is full of is like packed full of water.
• 1:19:11
  [UNKNOWN]: So that actually would be kind of good.
• 1:19:13
  [UNKNOWN]: So where we put in my act is I feel like it's got to be beat here.
• 1:19:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Also the contrast between the green body of the cactus and the pink flowers, I think is also just like a, you know, it's, I think there's a consistency here.
• 1:19:28
  [UNKNOWN]: We got, we got a lot of yellow and green Pokemon on my lips, push back if he needs to because I love him or I guess I'm fine putting her there, but.
• 1:19:36
  [UNKNOWN]: See, I'm torn, but I am torn between CNB because it's definitely more flower than cackenia.
• 1:19:41
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got two flowers.
• 1:19:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Is it okay?
• 1:19:44
  [UNKNOWN]: You just got two flowers?
• 1:19:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Here's a deal.
• 1:19:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It's funny that you said that just now, because I was just about to say, is it more flower than skip-loom?
• 1:19:52
  [UNKNOWN]: And it has two people.
• 1:19:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Skip-loom has one.
• 1:19:54
  [UNKNOWN]: So you just, when your art gets true, there it is, but it put it in it goes to beats here.
• 1:19:58
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, what do we do now?
• 1:20:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, we have the evolution.
• 1:20:06
  [UNKNOWN]: We have, oh, did Rosalia ask one of the goats Rosarade do Rosarade S tier it is like this I think Rosarade I haven't even pulled everything up get yeah guys come on you're stressing me out here Rose this is this is too quick Rosarade alright I think Rosarade the buddy Rosalia Rosarade to be honest Rosalia I still think is the strongest in the line I think Rosarade is cool but Rosalia is like
• 1:20:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Roselia is like doing it's pulling off what Sunflower failed to do exactly this is perfect it's still a little bit of a cartoon, but they're still like enough things going on to make it feel like a monster and I love that
• 1:20:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Like Sunfloor is failing.
• 1:20:56
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like this feels like a Pokemon that is waiting for another evolution and Rose Rose Ray Rose Elia to Rose Ray shows how to do it appropriately because Rose Elia is very people love Rose Elia But Rose Ray doesn't feel like it's taking away from her.
• 1:21:10
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just making her elevate a little bit more for higher level gameplay
• 1:21:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Bro, it's just like oh my goodness, I love her so much.
• 1:21:20
  [UNKNOWN]: She's so pretty and she's so creepy and gentry the gentry Sprites she's like a little she looks she looks eyes and also I know we're talking about Rose Raid, but Rosella is part of this conversation and Rosella Specifically has a really cool shiny where it's flowers change colors.
• 1:21:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's that gets that's her pull on the black rose
• 1:21:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, which honestly, most flowers should most flower Pokemon should just do that.
• 1:21:46
  [UNKNOWN]: They should just have like just color swap the flowers, you know?
• 1:21:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I just think it's so cool to have this very classy, almost like femphatile, like a assassin look by the time she gets to Rose Raid.
• 1:22:01
  [UNKNOWN]: It looks like Ducito Mask in Sailor Moon.
• 1:22:04
  [UNKNOWN]: But just Roselia has that sort of effect where you want to collect her like a flower.
• 1:22:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Like she's one of those Pokemon that I'm always wanting to shine on.
• 1:22:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Just because she's just really
• 1:22:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:22:20
  [UNKNOWN]: So, I mean, obviously, it's a rose, but the flowers being red and blue, bubble PDF says, they, they, so while red and blue are known rose colors, I don't like the blue that much.
• 1:22:34
  [UNKNOWN]: These two specifically together could be referencing hydrangeas, which produce red or blue flowers depending on the pH level of soil and broil.
• 1:22:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I love that.
• 1:22:43
  [UNKNOWN]: We have like, that's fine.
• 1:22:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't I feel like I see them in New England around me.
• 1:22:47
  [UNKNOWN]: The most hydrangeas are stunning.
• 1:22:50
  [UNKNOWN]: They're just those are one of my favorite flowers.
• 1:22:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and this is like a horrible picture of a hydrangea.
• 1:22:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Like what are we doing Wikipedia?
• 1:22:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Fix this up.
• 1:22:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's look up a hydrangea just on Google and you're going to hold on for audio listeners.
• 1:23:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Stay with us.
• 1:23:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Here we go.
• 1:23:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Stunning bro.
• 1:23:07
  [UNKNOWN]: That's so in that kind of that actually that kind of makes a little bit more sense with the with the big
• 1:23:13
  [UNKNOWN]: the big puffy hands.
• 1:23:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 1:23:15
  [UNKNOWN]: That's cool.
• 1:23:15
  [UNKNOWN]: We need a hydrangea Pokemon.
• 1:23:17
  [UNKNOWN]: That's going to happen.
• 1:23:18
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 1:23:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Rosalia, uh, and did we talk enough about wrote?
• 1:23:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
• 1:23:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I'm fixating Rosalia, but Rosa Raver is people watching the video right now listening to the video right now.
• 1:23:29
  [UNKNOWN]: When we said we're ranking flower Pokemon, which Pokemon did you think of?
• 1:23:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is an S tier.
• 1:23:36
  [UNKNOWN]: This is S tier.
• 1:23:37
  [UNKNOWN]: This is S tier.
• 1:23:38
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got to be man.
• 1:23:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It's it's literally.
• 1:23:40
  [UNKNOWN]: It did is it.
• 1:23:41
  [UNKNOWN]: How is my game in ST?
• 1:23:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think, well, no, because the mega.
• 1:23:43
  [UNKNOWN]: The mega says.
• 1:23:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:23:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:23:45
  [UNKNOWN]: The mega is good.
• 1:23:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Rosalia is is it.
• 1:23:48
  [UNKNOWN]: That's, it's, it's okay with that.
• 1:23:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:23:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:23:51
  [UNKNOWN]: That's good.
• 1:23:52
  [UNKNOWN]: She's dude.
• 1:23:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I just want to look at the art.
• 1:23:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Can we just stop recording?
• 1:23:56
  [UNKNOWN]: This is like the same.
• 1:23:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, all right.
• 1:23:59
  [UNKNOWN]: And what else have we got next?
• 1:24:01
  [UNKNOWN]: What do you guys, there's a bunch of weird, listen, there's a lot of weird generation for
• 1:24:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's have the Wormidam conversation.
• 1:24:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Please start it off.
• 1:24:10
  [UNKNOWN]: First of all, I don't know who that, yeah, put them in F, it's okay.
• 1:24:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I know it's not even a flower.
• 1:24:16
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not, I like the pink one, but what I like about Wormidam is I still don't know exactly what it's supposed to be.
• 1:24:21
  [UNKNOWN]: I know that there's a trivia, I know that there's like a sourced or whatever.
• 1:24:25
  [UNKNOWN]: It's this, I don't know what, why Pokemon has such a thorough way in which they decide which Pokemon are added to the decks.
• 1:24:33
  [UNKNOWN]: That Wormidam is so strange.
• 1:24:36
  [UNKNOWN]: It's so weird, dude.
• 1:24:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I put it on the list because I just think it's so funny.
• 1:24:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Every time I see this is added, like if I'm playing a new main line in Wormid Am is there, I just have to chuckle because I love to see them there.
• 1:24:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I love that they have little pig tails, they change colors for some reason.
• 1:24:51
  [UNKNOWN]: One of them's called trash.
• 1:24:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Love them.
• 1:24:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's damn.
• 1:24:57
  [UNKNOWN]: You know what's kinda crazy?
• 1:24:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, Berm, so Bermy, what is it?
• 1:25:00
  [UNKNOWN]: The bag worm Pokemon, and then depending on where you find it, or whatever, it has like a different outfit.
• 1:25:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Which is kinda cool.
• 1:25:06
  [UNKNOWN]: But then you're right, where it's worm, it's worm, it's worm, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a,
• 1:25:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So there's like a downer variant there and then Wormidam the plant cloak Pokemon just it's a cloak It's like Harry Potter ran the the cloak invisibility and the the flowers aren't even that good compared to all the other flowers Listen, I agree But subtle white flowers can be nice.
• 1:25:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's let's go over to the trivia section of Bolapidea.
• 1:25:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to take a look at this king drill.
• 1:25:48
  [UNKNOWN]: That's pretty good I want to take a look at maybe what kind of flowers
• 1:25:54
  [UNKNOWN]: It's based on the gonna bugs yeah, we're not okay.
• 1:25:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's yeah, we'll have you back for that Okay, the plant cloak may draw inspiration from the forced mother Gork Gork Gorska, Micah We gotta look this up.
• 1:26:10
  [UNKNOWN]: That's insane.
• 1:26:11
  [UNKNOWN]: What?
• 1:26:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Gorska, Micah, what the plant mother they got an anime girl here too.
• 1:26:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I know the Baba Yaga
• 1:26:23
  [UNKNOWN]: is a female character or one of a trio of sisters of the same name from Slavic folklore who has two contrasting roles in some narratives she has described as a repulsive that would have been a nice way to describe like the ugly or the smelly Pokemon repulsive.
• 1:26:40
  [UNKNOWN]: or ferocious looking old woman who fries and eats, I'm gonna say french fries.
• 1:26:47
  [UNKNOWN]: While in others, it is depicted as a nice old woman who helps the hero.
• 1:26:51
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, before we continue, I think actually now is a great time to crack open some Pokemon and some booster packs by our sponsor, awesome CCG.
• 1:27:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I think what we're going to be looking for today
• 1:27:09
  [UNKNOWN]: fun wanted to be here, fun wanted to join us today because we got from awesome CCG some official my little pony Pokemon cards and I'll be honest with you the sponsor was kind of trolling me they have so much stuff we in by the way we do have Pokemon cards we do have to have Pokemon cards but the sponsor was kind of trolling me a little bit was like do you want to open up my little pony cards and I was like honestly yeah let's open up with fun
• 1:27:37
  [UNKNOWN]: and the fun can't be here, but he's here in spirit and we'll tell him what we call.
• 1:27:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's crack these up.
• 1:27:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's open up one.
• 1:27:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's open up a Pokemon booster pack and then we'll get back to my little pony.
• 1:27:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I have no idea what's going to be in this.
• 1:27:51
  [UNKNOWN]: And whoops, have you heard of these Chinese Pokemon attacks?
• 1:27:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I have, and it's kind of funny because I was at the gas station yesterday, and they randomly had some at the gas station.
• 1:28:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I prefer English card, so I was like, almost gonna buy it, and then I know what things are trying to use.
• 1:28:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I have her but they are official they like are real yeah cards or whatever and some of them is it I know that Some of the cards in the Chinese sets are like exclusive to yes the Chinese versions so yeah, and I should have brought this up I should have brought this up
• 1:28:32
  [UNKNOWN]: But these are all the, I believe these are all the exclusives and there's some pretty nice full arts and you'll see there are some flowers.
• 1:28:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I think technically for this episode, we're going to be looking for the monkey dory.
• 1:28:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I think personally, I probably want that cast one if I got to be real.
• 1:28:49
  [UNKNOWN]: But this is actually really nice for like the fall vibes.
• 1:28:52
  [UNKNOWN]: So we just opened up three cards right there.
• 1:28:55
  [UNKNOWN]: We got the apple tonic.
• 1:28:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Alright, so that was our first pack.
• 1:28:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Pretty good.
• 1:28:59
  [UNKNOWN]: We did get the monkey dors that technically counts as a flower.
• 1:29:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's crack up in the my little pony And I'll be real like I've I've wanted I have so many people friends in real I've told me like oh you should open up the Chinese packs They're pretty cool.
• 1:29:11
  [UNKNOWN]: You can get some exclusives and I think for the same reason.
• 1:29:15
  [UNKNOWN]: What is this my little
• 1:29:16
  [UNKNOWN]: So this is the My Little Pony Card Game Nightmare Night Booster Pack series 3.
• 1:29:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think I don't know anything about my own Pony.
• 1:29:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm honestly kind of sad falls on here.
• 1:29:28
  [UNKNOWN]: This is like a deck box, and this is actually pretty...
• 1:29:31
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like pretty... yeah, let's get a bit.
• 1:29:34
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like it's like strong or whatever or crack in this open.
• 1:29:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh my god, where we got to see these up.
• 1:29:39
  [UNKNOWN]: There's five packs in here This is actually awesome.
• 1:29:42
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 1:29:42
  [UNKNOWN]: We got five booster packs.
• 1:29:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know if we're gonna open all Paul these right now.
• 1:29:46
  [UNKNOWN]: That's crazy Let's crack.
• 1:29:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's just start cracking this up
• 1:29:50
  [UNKNOWN]: But anyways, we're looking for flowers.
• 1:29:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, what I was gonna say is the Chinese packs are kinda cool because for the same reason as the Japanese packs, they are really nice quality.
• 1:30:00
  [UNKNOWN]: And you don't get as much bulk, which I don't play the game, so I'm just in it for the, I'm just in it for the, the pulls or whatever.
• 1:30:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I'll be real with you, hold on.
• 1:30:08
  [UNKNOWN]: This is not gonna work.
• 1:30:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I gotta maybe make this a little bit bigger, but I don't know how to.
• 1:30:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I make my screen, I have a full screen deal, okay.
• 1:30:22
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, editor cut that out.
• 1:30:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna do that.
• 1:30:25
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, we got, dude, how is this even gonna work?
• 1:30:27
  [UNKNOWN]: We just got a bunch of my little pony guards.
• 1:30:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Have you ever watched this show or whatever?
• 1:30:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Is this a rare?
• 1:30:33
  [UNKNOWN]: I have no idea.
• 1:30:34
  [UNKNOWN]: We just pull something go, idea, what we're eating.
• 1:30:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Dude, there's just ponies.
• 1:30:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I know a couple of their names.
• 1:30:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to say like a lot of shy It's one of them.
• 1:30:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, here we go.
• 1:30:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Say Rainbow dash is one of them.
• 1:30:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't even know these dude.
• 1:30:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I think I was interested in opening this.
• 1:30:56
  [UNKNOWN]: The sponsor was like, hey, do you want to crack these open?
• 1:30:58
  [UNKNOWN]: We have these at the shop, but more than that awesome CCG has
• 1:31:03
  [UNKNOWN]: They have literally any type of card that you want, they have.
• 1:31:06
  [UNKNOWN]: They got youkyo, they got one piece, they got magic, the gathering, they got so much stuff.
• 1:31:11
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's why I was like, I think I got a, I'm like, yeah bro, I mean, I was like, yeah.
• 1:31:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Give me some more cards to crack open.
• 1:31:18
  [UNKNOWN]: It doesn't even give me just Pokemon.
• 1:31:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what I'm opening right now, and I'm kind, I don't even know how to react to it.
• 1:31:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know what I'm talking about.
• 1:31:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Full art.
• 1:31:27
  [UNKNOWN]: something.
• 1:31:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we got something.
• 1:31:29
  [UNKNOWN]: We got, we're on our third pack right now.
• 1:31:32
  [UNKNOWN]: We could have had a 101 and we wouldn't even know.
• 1:31:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I know, dude.
• 1:31:35
  [UNKNOWN]: The comments will correct us.
• 1:31:36
  [UNKNOWN]: You know who will correct this?
• 1:31:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Probably Quill should.
• 1:31:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, fun, right, as well.
• 1:31:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Electric clouds, um, Nightmare Night Market.
• 1:31:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Zakora.
• 1:31:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Wait, that one actually looks kind of crazy.
• 1:31:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that one looks good.
• 1:31:52
  [UNKNOWN]: This looks like calarex riding on the wall.
• 1:31:55
  [UNKNOWN]: So I did tell I was talking to this sponsor We just got an angel rabbit and he was like, oh, do you want to open up some of my little pony cards?
• 1:32:02
  [UNKNOWN]: And I said, you know, I did honestly I might want it because I've been creating new forms for the
• 1:32:10
  [UNKNOWN]: for like spectrearing blast rear and the legend of that i was like oh yeah i'm actually kind of interested because i made a bunch of forms and they look like ponies so maybe that's something that we just got rarity that is rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity rarity
• 1:32:28
  [UNKNOWN]: She's got flowers in her hair.
• 1:32:29
  [UNKNOWN]: She's got flowers in her hat.
• 1:32:31
  [UNKNOWN]: That's pretty good and then one is a rainbow dash I do this was a good pack.
• 1:32:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Was this a god pack?
• 1:32:35
  [UNKNOWN]: We got Surely I think this is I think we just got a god pack.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I think they're all holographic I think we actually got a god pack.
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  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
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  [UNKNOWN]: We got one more a crack open
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  [UNKNOWN]: Please tell me in the comments, what are we looking at?
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  [UNKNOWN]: This is good awesome CCG has so many literally so much stuff Pinky tent Okay, I've figured out the nightmare nightmare nightmare nightmare market is not rare Bro, princess cadence This looks like a in there's pedals.
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  [UNKNOWN]: We got the flowers.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, princess cadence
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  [UNKNOWN]: This feels like a, this feels like a hit.
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  [UNKNOWN]: That's, that's gotta, should we sleep that, that's a hit.
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  [UNKNOWN]: That's insane.
• 1:33:15
  [UNKNOWN]: And then we got, and we just got some two scenes in the back.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I'm not gonna lie.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Is this a, it's a first edition.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Ah, someone's gonna have to help me out.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I might see his voice.
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  [UNKNOWN]: It's crazy.
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  [UNKNOWN]: This is insane.
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  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And we go.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And then we go.
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  [UNKNOWN]: And then we go.
• 1:33:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I wish Faun was here.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I wish Faun was here.
• 1:33:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess, I guess we can open both of them.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is yeah, I know you guys are here for the for the you guys are here for the my little pony But let's check it out.
• 1:33:45
  [UNKNOWN]: You got some Pokemon cards right here.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, we've got slack off Let's check it out.
• 1:33:49
  [UNKNOWN]: We've got slack off in Chinese
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  [UNKNOWN]: And I know you can't really tell who is this specificity.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I know you can't really tell, but like the quality of these really do feel better than the English birds.
• 1:34:01
  [UNKNOWN]: They have like a shinging to them.
• 1:34:03
  [UNKNOWN]: And we got Fesendipity, all right.
• 1:34:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I think we do we have something on the back.
• 1:34:06
  [UNKNOWN]: We got a reverse hollow app one, or apple ton, and then we got a club to put something in.
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  [UNKNOWN]: That's it.
• 1:34:15
  [UNKNOWN]: We'll guess what, next week.
• 1:34:17
  [UNKNOWN]: We do next week, all Pokemon cards, and here's, we have a little, we have a little, a pony tower right here.
• 1:34:23
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  [UNKNOWN]: I will give you a quick, a 10 second ranking.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Alicorn to me personally is as tier I think she's really pretty and this might be surprising but the one in the middle I can't really see its name I kind of think that's like B plus here and the girl on the right I feel like she's a weak a tier like she definitely knows that I like this type of aesthetic but I feel like Alicorn's doing it better that's my opinion I like the cards
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  [UNKNOWN]: this like forced woman that kind of makes sense for warm it in now because they do spawn our member in one of the legend's games where they spawned they like hang on the trees and kind of like stare at you like he's find it like deep in the woods or something yeah i feel like i'm being watched yes it's it's warm it in
• 1:35:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, honestly, this is for a plant Pokemon.
• 1:35:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I actually do like the flowers on it.
• 1:35:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't care for where I'm at, but the flowers are actually I don't mind the the subtle white I really don't I don't think they're I think they're actually quite pretty that would be fun to cosplay to
• 1:35:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to put honestly, I don't think you can go to FTR.
• 1:35:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I think the flowers are pretty enough.
• 1:35:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I think the flowers save it if I got to be crowned on us.
• 1:35:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:35:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:35:57
  [UNKNOWN]: They're generic flowers.
• 1:35:58
  [UNKNOWN]: They aren't here.
• 1:35:59
  [UNKNOWN]: The flowers are nice.
• 1:35:59
  [UNKNOWN]: The flowers I think you're giving a little too much credit because the flowers get it on the list.
• 1:36:04
  [UNKNOWN]: But I don't think they save it from FTR.
• 1:36:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:36:09
  [UNKNOWN]: That's that's actually fair.
• 1:36:10
  [UNKNOWN]: You're right.
• 1:36:10
  [UNKNOWN]: It's been
• 1:36:12
  [UNKNOWN]: You're right.
• 1:36:12
  [UNKNOWN]: The privilege is to be on the list because if we've got sunflower and victory bell in D tier, it's what it's less than both of those.
• 1:36:22
  [UNKNOWN]: See, I think Wormidam is more of a flower than victory bell.
• 1:36:26
  [UNKNOWN]: No, we clarified that Victory Bell, or at least Bell Sprout, is the flower Pokemon.
• 1:36:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that's more than what the word word names were.
• 1:36:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like, it's wearing flowers.
• 1:36:40
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not flowers.
• 1:36:42
  [UNKNOWN]: It's kind of like, she does need to go here.
• 1:36:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, one-third of, like, it's, LARP, and that's only one-third of the time.
• 1:36:48
  [UNKNOWN]: It's literally LARP, yeah.
• 1:36:49
  [UNKNOWN]: She's wearing the BNT.
• 1:36:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Doesn't even know a song and saying, yeah, crazy.
• 1:36:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Hold on.
• 1:36:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I want new category LARPER put it in that lower than that.
• 1:37:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I know I'm trying to see if there's any dex entries that are like kind of insane or could give us more information.
• 1:37:08
  [UNKNOWN]: There's really not.
• 1:37:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess I thought, oh no, the, okay, the plant cloak in Legends RCS.
• 1:37:14
  [UNKNOWN]: It has a specific decks.
• 1:37:16
  [UNKNOWN]: The cloak fashioned from plant matter has merged with the Pokemon and is now part of the body.
• 1:37:22
  [UNKNOWN]: It is, okay, like fur or skin.
• 1:37:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I suspect this fusion is an effect of the energy involved in evolution.
• 1:37:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Not that about the flowers though.
• 1:37:33
  [UNKNOWN]: It goes to F2.
• 1:37:35
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 1:37:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Now, okay, I'm gonna, I'm maybe gonna shock some listeners.
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  [UNKNOWN]: I understand, it's a big joke to everyone.
• 1:37:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Everyone thinks I'm always joking.
• 1:37:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Cherubi to me is Estia.
• 1:37:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's a perfect Pokemon, right?
• 1:37:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone, everyone always thinks that's the joke that I agree.
• 1:37:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Because, I don't know, because everyone, because I always kind of nervously laugh and they go, he's laughing, it must be a joke.
• 1:38:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Cherubi is Estia, it absolutely is.
• 1:38:04
  [UNKNOWN]: But that being said, we've got Charim on our list, on our tier list because Truby is not a flower.
• 1:38:13
  [UNKNOWN]: The flower is Charim.
• 1:38:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Charim is a flower and it's got two different forms.
• 1:38:17
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a blossom Pokemon.
• 1:38:19
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got the overcast form which I like and the sunshine form which is like, you know, actually more powerful and usable, but it's like, I think honestly, sunshine form Charim,
• 1:38:30
  [UNKNOWN]: it's to me it's the same as like a sunflower.
• 1:38:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's I think it's very underbitched literally just face and petals and I'm not a fan see see this is this is what sunflower should have been because
• 1:38:46
  [UNKNOWN]: This, this will be at least monsterizes the concept of flower with a face.
• 1:38:53
  [UNKNOWN]: It makes it look like it's a creature to where I can appreciate it a little more, whereas on Florida doesn't really do that, so that's to me the difference.
• 1:39:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that the the blossom form is pretty solid.
• 1:39:08
  [UNKNOWN]: It, this was pretty good.
• 1:39:09
  [UNKNOWN]: This, this art, the arts, I'm coming.
• 1:39:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at the TCGR right now.
• 1:39:12
  [UNKNOWN]: This is actually pretty good from ultra-prism.
• 1:39:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Jeez, I need that.
• 1:39:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:39:17
  [UNKNOWN]: If we were, if we were talking about chairman as a whole, I think it does unfortunately get like knocked down a peg because of the overcast form.
• 1:39:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Cause like the fact that that is the base form is pretty disappointing.
• 1:39:33
  [UNKNOWN]: So I think that's worth mentioning, but the this form is solid.
• 1:39:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's pretty it's pretty it's pretty decent some of these arts are good.
• 1:39:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess I just really never cared for like the official art.
• 1:39:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It just true.
• 1:39:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I don't know it's literally.
• 1:39:53
  [UNKNOWN]: because it does have cherries on the Ted.
• 1:39:55
  [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of weird.
• 1:39:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's, let me.
• 1:39:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:39:58
  [UNKNOWN]: The sharing is one of my favorite Pokemon of all time.
• 1:40:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I have to agree.
• 1:40:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like the forms should be vice versa.
• 1:40:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like people don't give it enough time to really explore the concept, because it's closed form is kind of like understated and a little bit boring.
• 1:40:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I find the colors to be very pretty.
• 1:40:17
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think sharing, I have to agree.
• 1:40:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Because I do so much content about girly pop, I think that share I'm especially sunshine share is a very girly pop Pokemon.
• 1:40:28
  [UNKNOWN]: It looks like a cherry block.
• 1:40:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Sure.
• 1:40:30
  [UNKNOWN]: If you want to put together a team based off of the trainer class of like the aroma lady, it's a share.
• 1:40:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm like you put that on.
• 1:40:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
• 1:40:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Very much on concept, but
• 1:40:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It does kind of give a little bit sun floor.
• 1:40:41
  [UNKNOWN]: It is a little bit half baked in its execution.
• 1:40:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Charby might actually be cuter.
• 1:40:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Charby's just, yeah, Charby's great.
• 1:40:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just, I kind of want to eat it.
• 1:40:51
  [UNKNOWN]: It looks like a gummy.
• 1:40:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, if that's why I like this.
• 1:40:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I like, I like.
• 1:40:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Like Sharon like and it's like Jen five sprites like the sunshine form.
• 1:41:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that's when you really see its personality because it jumps around and it looks so cute and fun It's just like you don't see it a lot and I think because it's kind of hard to battle with too people just don't really give it a much time Yeah, I also find it shiny to be a little bit disappointing.
• 1:41:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I know that we're not talking about that, but it doesn't look any different
• 1:41:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, yeah, it's a little bit, it doesn't look any different.
• 1:41:25
  [UNKNOWN]: It's almost, it looks a little like sun kissed.
• 1:41:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I agree with whoops, it's, it kind of feels like this is, it's unfortunate, but it feels like it feels like sunflower.
• 1:41:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Like if I'm thinking about the flower, it's very pretty.
• 1:41:38
  [UNKNOWN]: So I might want to put it above sunflower, but it is still kind of weak for the flower mind.
• 1:41:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Although this is the flower tier list and I guess this thing is the embodiment of a flower.
• 1:41:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It is a flower.
• 1:41:49
  [UNKNOWN]: It is a flower.
• 1:41:50
  [UNKNOWN]: It just is a flower.
• 1:41:52
  [UNKNOWN]: So really is this that much and I might not personally like the design?
• 1:41:56
  [UNKNOWN]: But like yeah, but how much it I guess it's wrote this is Roselia.
• 1:42:00
  [UNKNOWN]: This is Roselia.
• 1:42:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to I want to counter Fun a little bit because fun was talking about how Venusaur is like the frog with a flower
• 1:42:15
  [UNKNOWN]: This is just the flower.
• 1:42:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 1:42:18
  [UNKNOWN]: It's whole thing is it's a flower.
• 1:42:20
  [UNKNOWN]: So in its two flowers because it has two different forms, which I do like it's like when we think about sunflower I just I have to give credit to that.
• 1:42:29
  [UNKNOWN]: I still think this is a stronger version of like the sunflower issue.
• 1:42:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is a sunflower phenomenon.
• 1:42:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is a stronger execution of it, but it's Yeah
• 1:42:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think it, yeah, this is all, I think, you know what it also might be a victim of like the evolution of these games and how the Pokemon are depicted because I think in the early games and the 2D games like I've used it and it's really really nice it's cute it like the concept it's it's it's a it's meant to be like a little pixel on your screen but once you bring it to 3D you're like it kind of has the has the the chance the effect kind of happens where I'm like okay it's just a giant ball that's all it is but
• 1:43:09
  [UNKNOWN]: No, honestly, I can't I can't yeah, no, I can't deny this.
• 1:43:13
  [UNKNOWN]: This is every iteration other than the official art and the 3D models, it is so cute.
• 1:43:18
  [UNKNOWN]: It's actually, this is S tier.
• 1:43:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going, I'm going all the way there.
• 1:43:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Whoa, but I've never seen this.
• 1:43:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's gonna be in a, that seems to be, you know, this is, you know, I don't know if you'll know San Rio.
• 1:43:29
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm wearing Hello Kitty right now, but it's like it reminds me of like my melody in
• 1:43:38
  [UNKNOWN]: There it is, Karoni.
• 1:43:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay.
• 1:43:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is like a more pack of more pack of more pack of more.
• 1:43:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's like the more pack of the hangry form.
• 1:43:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's the devil in the angel.
• 1:43:52
  [UNKNOWN]: That's cool.
• 1:43:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I like this.
• 1:43:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Ooh, that might be a good like mousehold or like a tandem mouse split evil.
• 1:43:59
  [UNKNOWN]: a toxic family.
• 1:44:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, a hot family and like field family.
• 1:44:04
  [UNKNOWN]: That's yeah.
• 1:44:05
  [UNKNOWN]: That's good.
• 1:44:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Also, Boba Pedia is saying that Charam is obviously based on the, what is it?
• 1:44:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like the white
• 1:44:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Cherry blossom, but it's saying it might also be based on the closed form, the overcast form, might be based on Fuchsia.
• 1:44:25
  [UNKNOWN]: And I have seen these, these are actually really, really underrated plants as well.
• 1:44:30
  [UNKNOWN]: I think they're, they're really nice.
• 1:44:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, wow.
• 1:44:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Just so, the colors are so vivid, and they kind of, it really does look like this.
• 1:44:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like this is what,
• 1:44:39
  [UNKNOWN]: We had these at the Garden Center that I worked at, the greenhouse, and I do kind of see it.
• 1:44:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this has the colors of the overcast form and they're kind of like tilt down and they're like dreary.
• 1:44:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I see it.
• 1:44:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I see it.
• 1:44:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Can we look at the list again?
• 1:44:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
• 1:44:57
  [UNKNOWN]: In all honesty, I feel like this is at least B or A. I can't say that it's asked because I feel like in S, like Rosarade and Maghenium, they are more ubiquitously accepted.
• 1:45:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like this flower is still just weaker in the culture.
• 1:45:11
  [UNKNOWN]: For sure.
• 1:45:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but like we're making the culture.
• 1:45:14
  [UNKNOWN]: We're creating the culture right now.
• 1:45:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I'll take I y'all know I love if you think it's as tier it says I'm just trying I'm just trying to be I know objective I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna I
• 1:45:38
  [UNKNOWN]: The, at least the way I'm looking at it is like, it's like, how, how much flour is it?
• 1:45:42
  [UNKNOWN]: But that can only take you so far, which is why sunflower is still bad because it's like very poor execution.
• 1:45:49
  [UNKNOWN]: So like at some point, the execution does come into play.
• 1:45:52
  [UNKNOWN]: And although it is very, like pretty much totally a flower, I wouldn't take it over like rosary.
• 1:46:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't take it over mega mega medium.
• 1:46:03
  [UNKNOWN]: So I don't think I would put it in that class.
• 1:46:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Does the flower that it's based on cherry blossom affect how I guess like important and how much of a flower this this creature, you know, I'm saying like if we're talking about fruits to me, it does and that's what makes it difficult to cherry blossom there are like Pokemon that we are like being very, because they don't have a cherry blossom I feel like when you introduce the cherry blossom it's like, I don't know that's the iconic flower, you know, like we need it.
• 1:46:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you know, some of these cards are making me love Charam absolutely.
• 1:46:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I still can't say S. B is kind of hard for me.
• 1:46:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I I kind of want to say A. I'll do that.
• 1:46:48
  [UNKNOWN]: We'll put it in A is fine.
• 1:46:50
  [UNKNOWN]: That's good compromise.
• 1:46:51
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 1:46:51
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a it's also a Pokemon that should have.
• 1:46:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's another one that should get the mega solubility because if it had a ability, it would be able to
• 1:47:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Which imagine it's in gen 10 and imagine a gen 10 all of these like grass types that are like low key unusable Just get the mega solubility and then in gen 10 everybody's just spamming solar being yeah That would be great because it's like it's like with charum.
• 1:47:22
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like it's like weak.
• 1:47:24
  [UNKNOWN]: No one's using it.
• 1:47:25
  [UNKNOWN]: So like it could use a boost like that.
• 1:47:27
  [UNKNOWN]: So yeah
• 1:47:28
  [UNKNOWN]: And like, yeah, fire, water, ice, they electric, they all have like super powerful moves.
• 1:47:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Solar, grass type, it's super powerful move is the only one that takes two turns to load up.
• 1:47:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Why not just, I mean, I feel like, I feel like mega-soul kind of like solves that, you know?
• 1:47:44
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, and then the last true flower Pokemon of generation four is Shaman.
• 1:47:51
  [UNKNOWN]: And I don't know, guys.
• 1:47:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like this is, I don't think Shaman compares in the flower conversation as a mythical.
• 1:47:58
  [UNKNOWN]: That's different.
• 1:48:00
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think it's wearing a bandana.
• 1:48:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's wearing, it's a broach.
• 1:48:04
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got a broach on its head.
• 1:48:06
  [UNKNOWN]: At the point when you're debuting as a mythical, like it's very competitive, there's so much narrative and story, they were very smart with it.
• 1:48:14
  [UNKNOWN]: They made it a cute form factor.
• 1:48:16
  [UNKNOWN]: They gave it the colors that it needed.
• 1:48:18
  [UNKNOWN]: And then they stuck two flowers on its head.
• 1:48:22
  [UNKNOWN]: But if we're putting it against the other flower mons, I'm kind of lazy.
• 1:48:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I find this lazy, you can't just rely on just the flower on the head.
• 1:48:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I could do that right now with that making you flower mons.
• 1:48:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe.
• 1:48:34
  [UNKNOWN]: You have the energy.
• 1:48:36
  [UNKNOWN]: You do have the energy.
• 1:48:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I think you try.
• 1:48:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:48:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Put me on the tearless at the very end.
• 1:48:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think, well, we're, we're, we're shame it.
• 1:48:45
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess I want to, so it has the land form in this sky form.
• 1:48:50
  [UNKNOWN]: So it's called the gratitude Pokemon.
• 1:48:53
  [UNKNOWN]: This is something with that month.
• 1:48:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, we'll hold on.
• 1:48:56
  [UNKNOWN]: The gratitude.
• 1:48:57
  [UNKNOWN]: It's the gratitude Pokemon.
• 1:48:59
  [UNKNOWN]: What do you do?
• 1:49:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like flowers are also synonymous with like gift giving.
• 1:49:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Right?
• 1:49:07
  [UNKNOWN]: It's clever.
• 1:49:09
  [UNKNOWN]: It's clever.
• 1:49:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that kind of bumps it up a little bit.
• 1:49:11
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like it's essence is Here's a bouquet.
• 1:49:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking about you.
• 1:49:16
  [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of nice.
• 1:49:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I get what you're saying, whoops, what were you going to say?
• 1:49:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Sorry, I had to be called it lazy.
• 1:49:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Y'all seem to have better ideas.
• 1:49:22
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, I think it is lazy, but this, the graph, I just, it clicked with the gratitude.
• 1:49:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:49:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I was going to say it's worth bringing up that it has a whole flower item connected to it, the Grisidia flower, which is how you get it in the game.
• 1:49:39
  [UNKNOWN]: So like, there is, it is a little bit more involved than just putting the flower on its.
• 1:49:45
  [UNKNOWN]: But isn't is the flower?
• 1:49:47
  [UNKNOWN]: What is on its head?
• 1:49:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like I don't think it's like attached like it's not like it's like Look at that.
• 1:49:56
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not like it's like natively a part of its body or whatever.
• 1:50:00
  [UNKNOWN]: So it's less flower for sure, but it is a little bit more involved than just wearing a flower.
• 1:50:07
  [UNKNOWN]: It is, it's like the only Pokemon that, well, because it's a mythical, you kind of have like narrative and story and interactivity to get it, but it is all based on a flower.
• 1:50:16
  [UNKNOWN]: And that is something to say, like that's a very unique way to execute a mythical, like it stands alone in that regard, but it is the flower mythical kind of, like when you say it that way.
• 1:50:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh my gosh, I think it's actually climbing up the ranks as I talk about it.
• 1:50:31
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, listen, it also comes from a town that is literally filled with flowers like it's okay It comes from floral matown, and that's like the flower town.
• 1:50:42
  [UNKNOWN]: You're a yeah floor flower.
• 1:50:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's that's kind of a big deal.
• 1:50:46
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got a whole town Dedicated to it.
• 1:50:49
  [UNKNOWN]: So sorry.
• 1:50:50
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a narrative flowerman.
• 1:50:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
• 1:50:52
  [UNKNOWN]: That's new
• 1:50:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, a narrative flower America.
• 1:50:57
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a storyteller so it's like it's like
• 1:51:01
  [UNKNOWN]: It's almost in a way, kind of like a larpure, but it's a good larpure, because it's not like, it's not a vial plume, it's not a charim.
• 1:51:11
  [UNKNOWN]: But it is all about the flower life.
• 1:51:15
  [UNKNOWN]: It lives in a flower town, it wears flowers, it gives flowers like it is a flower.
• 1:51:22
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a flower convert.
• 1:51:24
  [UNKNOWN]: It's, it's about that life.
• 1:51:29
  [UNKNOWN]: The flower on its body resembles a crescidia and could be based on a hydrangea, particularly the big leaf hydrangea, it also shares together with the leaves on its Skyform neck, similarities with a point set of a popular Christmas flower.
• 1:51:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, shoot.
• 1:51:47
  [UNKNOWN]: And you want to know why that's important.
• 1:51:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and this is weird.
• 1:51:51
  [UNKNOWN]: This is really random, but that kind of it provides more context because the sky form of shaman is low key based on what a Santa's reindeer because it's no it's it's got the shape right it's a flying type.
• 1:52:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Dude, that's insane.
• 1:52:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Whoa.
• 1:52:09
  [UNKNOWN]: What are we talking about?
• 1:52:10
  [UNKNOWN]: No, this is now a real thing.
• 1:52:11
  [UNKNOWN]: What are we talking about?
• 1:52:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Pokemon secret Christmas Mon.
• 1:52:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's crazy.
• 1:52:17
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's like, why?
• 1:52:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Why would you do that?
• 1:52:19
  [UNKNOWN]: But like the point set of that kind of ties it tight.
• 1:52:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I kind of like how subliminal you can take this Pokemon.
• 1:52:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I really like when you can take a Pokemon design and get really like fan obsessed with it because that is true.
• 1:52:33
  [UNKNOWN]: It does look like a points in Yetta pedal.
• 1:52:35
  [UNKNOWN]: It is a reindeer.
• 1:52:38
  [UNKNOWN]: It lives the flower life.
• 1:52:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Here's the thing, earlier in the episode, when we were talking about flowers that we don't like, I was trying to think of this.
• 1:52:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't like points in Yetta's.
• 1:52:54
  [UNKNOWN]: those red leaves.
• 1:52:57
  [UNKNOWN]: So honestly, I think we have to throw out that entire beautiful theory that you just got.
• 1:53:04
  [UNKNOWN]: But no, it's my idea for the Christmas you're right.
• 1:53:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I see that it is a leaf, but is it classified as flour?
• 1:53:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Because if it's classified, then it counts.
• 1:53:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's see, let's see, let's see.
• 1:53:16
  [UNKNOWN]: The point set of yeah.
• 1:53:18
  [UNKNOWN]: uh... is a commercially imported flowering plants species of the diverse okay uh... for okay it is particularly well known for it's red and green foliage and is widely used in christmas florida displays mmm so i i don't think those are the flowers
• 1:53:38
  [UNKNOWN]: It does flower, but kind of like with the progression of getting it to the sky form, it's one of the flowers, yeah, it like it grows out of the flower in a way.
• 1:53:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I still think like the base form shaman.
• 1:53:52
  [UNKNOWN]: with all of the context around it, I feel like that, that is what sets it apart from the other LARP or like, Wormity M. Sure.
• 1:53:59
  [UNKNOWN]: It still is a, it's still a plant, it's still a flower.
• 1:54:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:54:02
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's a hedgehog, it's kind of like a chia pet.
• 1:54:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like to make, I think if, I don't know, I just don't care for this form.
• 1:54:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I just don't care about shame in that much.
• 1:54:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I think shame would have been stronger if it sure let it be a hedgehog with a hedge But have it a bunch of flowers on it.
• 1:54:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know that would have been kind of that would have rose it in the ranks
• 1:54:27
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, let's rank it higher than the other Larger, but let's see what they're, I think that's fine, like the crown on the head, wait, see for crown, like it's like they're wearing the, yeah, if you have one flower, that's like that's what you are, honestly, I'm I'm going to.
• 1:54:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm just gonna say for myself, I'm falling, I was, I was like with you guys but talking this out, I've fallen for the propaganda, it's like, it's like, it's like higher up there for me.
• 1:55:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Cause I'm the truth, yeah, I'm the shade of truth, I'm the shade of truth, I'm the shade of truth.
• 1:55:07
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, so shaming goes to C tier.
• 1:55:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I think we can jump now to generation five.
• 1:55:12
  [UNKNOWN]: We've got, we've got Lilligant, Deerling, and that whole line.
• 1:55:17
  [UNKNOWN]: And that might be it for generation five.
• 1:55:18
  [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, starting out with Lilligant.
• 1:55:22
  [UNKNOWN]: This is fun.
• 1:55:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 1:55:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I think you like this Pokemon.
• 1:55:26
  [UNKNOWN]: It's the flowering Pokemon.
• 1:55:27
  [UNKNOWN]: The spinning Pokemon.
• 1:55:28
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got the regional form as well.
• 1:55:30
  [UNKNOWN]: To be honest, technically, this is still just a C tier.
• 1:55:33
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got a crown.
• 1:55:34
  [UNKNOWN]: It literally is a crown.
• 1:55:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is definitely a lot of play.
• 1:55:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I highly pop resonance.
• 1:55:38
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what I say.
• 1:55:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 1:55:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Very girly pop.
• 1:55:40
  [UNKNOWN]: But I mean, we've had such dense conversations around flowers.
• 1:55:43
  [UNKNOWN]: This is just a crown.
• 1:55:45
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a fun Pokemon to run and evolve and play.
• 1:55:48
  [UNKNOWN]: But I don't think that necessarily.
• 1:55:51
  [UNKNOWN]: we are much worried about the flower.
• 1:55:54
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just like fun that she has one.
• 1:55:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:55:58
  [UNKNOWN]: And personally, flower crown, like we know.
• 1:56:00
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
• 1:56:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's good.
• 1:56:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Lily again is good.
• 1:56:03
  [UNKNOWN]: To be honest, the fact that it doesn't have a mouth, the fact that it has these like alien eyes and so much of its body is just like foliage.
• 1:56:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like it's really difficult for me to make sense of the, like when I look at it as a creature, I'm like,
• 1:56:19
  [UNKNOWN]: it's it's kind of it's like pretty it's pretty close towards like the the ultra-beast spectrum you know it in bodies it in bodies like the natural flower aspects way more than like even like sunflower like this this looks like a like not that enterprise like yeah
• 1:56:36
  [UNKNOWN]: It looks like an actual monster if you were to go into the forest and find, dude, like a monster version of a flower, because the lack of mouth, the weird eyes, it does feel less relatable to us, but in its head, its face is hidden among the stalk.
• 1:56:54
  [UNKNOWN]: of the flower.
• 1:56:55
  [UNKNOWN]: We're typically, we see the face on the flower.
• 1:56:58
  [UNKNOWN]: This is like, it truly.
• 1:56:59
  [UNKNOWN]: That's actually, okay, that now I'm starting to flip and I'm like, in terms of a plane.
• 1:57:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm playing dragon dogmatoo right now and it's like, anytime I get to a new area, there's like these weird like spirits that will come out.
• 1:57:10
  [UNKNOWN]: These monsters in the woods.
• 1:57:12
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, this would be something that I would like stumble upon in the forest.
• 1:57:16
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, it's like a witch right of the forest.
• 1:57:19
  [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of making me like it a little bit more.
• 1:57:22
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'll say this.
• 1:57:24
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a big flower.
• 1:57:25
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not just a crown.
• 1:57:25
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a big flower.
• 1:57:27
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a big flower with a crown.
• 1:57:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:57:29
  [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
• 1:57:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Are we going to beat here?
• 1:57:31
  [UNKNOWN]: We're going to beat that.
• 1:57:32
  [UNKNOWN]: What do you think, Hobbes?
• 1:57:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I would put it seed here personally.
• 1:57:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think I would.
• 1:57:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think I would put it.
• 1:57:42
  [UNKNOWN]: above some of this others in C tier.
• 1:57:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I honestly think this is going to be to go back to shaman for a sec.
• 1:57:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I know this is more of a innate flower than shaman, but I don't think I could put it above shaman because of all the propaganda I just talked about.
• 1:58:00
  [UNKNOWN]: So, and also, again, I've been readpilled.
• 1:58:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, flowerpilt.
• 1:58:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Also.
• 1:58:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 1:58:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I said, I do think I do think, um, like the Pokemon itself comes into play and where I'm putting these and like Little again has always been for me, just kind of like a neutral Pokemon.
• 1:58:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Whereas like skip loom or shaman that we have in the seat here, I've been more just like I like them a little better.
• 1:58:34
  [UNKNOWN]: So I would put a little again and see for that.
• 1:58:38
  [UNKNOWN]: Here's a fun fact.
• 1:58:39
  [UNKNOWN]: According to Ken Sugamori, Petalil in Lilligent, we're going to have a third evolutionary member.
• 1:58:45
  [UNKNOWN]: That's really, really interesting.
• 1:58:47
  [UNKNOWN]: What do you guys think about that?
• 1:58:49
  [UNKNOWN]: What would it even evolve into?
• 1:58:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, it seems like they kind of did that with a regional because it says that they were thinking of like a ballroom dancer or something.
• 1:58:59
  [UNKNOWN]: So she did become a dancer.
• 1:59:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know why they didn't keep going.
• 1:59:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I have to agree.
• 1:59:09
  [UNKNOWN]: She has to be at least B or C. For me, like I also agree to like I know that people do like her, but I feel like she's less like totally loved.
• 1:59:20
  [UNKNOWN]: then even like share them because when I'm thinking about talking about flower mons, I really am like thinking about my people and my audience and maybe that's why this list is the way it is.
• 1:59:31
  [UNKNOWN]: But like, and all of a sudden, we're, there's some more weird bones coming up, sorry.
• 1:59:35
  [UNKNOWN]: And like the deeper conversation of like these more like girly, girly, flower Pokemon, she's not necessarily even talked about that much.
• 1:59:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Tim, I think it's the fact that her, like, she just, I think she is a plant.
• 1:59:48
  [UNKNOWN]: This is almost like, again, doing what Sun Flora wanted to do, except Sun Flora, and instead of, you said this, like instead of being, instead of making it anthropomorphic,
• 1:59:57
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, what if it just is the plant?
• 1:59:59
  [UNKNOWN]: It barely is, it's a monster, but it's barely that friend, you know, where like a lot of these flower Pokemon, some, uh, the loss of them.
• 2:00:08
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a, it looks humanoid, you know?
• 2:00:11
  [UNKNOWN]: This is humanoid, but it truly, it's got all the anatomy of a flower, and I think that's what's making me like want to really bump it up in the rankings, because I'm realizing just looking at it.
• 2:00:21
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got all these weird little thing, like, I think that's all right.
• 2:00:27
  [UNKNOWN]: It's based on a lily, yeah, it's based on a lily.
• 2:00:29
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's like, what if you take all these aspects and just like,
• 2:00:33
  [UNKNOWN]: turn it into the size of a human it's not a person it's a true it's like a because of monster becomes an alien and I think I actually kind of like that.
• 2:00:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm certainly to really like this.
• 2:00:44
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a freak.
• 2:00:45
  [UNKNOWN]: To me I kind of want to put it in B2.
• 2:00:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I do acknowledge what Hoops is saying though.
• 2:00:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Whereas like she might not be as popular and I do think that that does come into play when we are ranking these because some of
• 2:01:03
  [UNKNOWN]: She's difficult.
• 2:01:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Be your seam.
• 2:01:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm really fine with either one for that.
• 2:01:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I think she's like, oh, she's like very much in the middle of both of those to me.
• 2:01:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:01:13
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think I just want to.
• 2:01:15
  [UNKNOWN]: We barely talked about the Hissouian form, but I think.
• 2:01:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I think when I'm maybe have never appreciated it until right now, is it even the Hissouian form.
• 2:01:23
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a different type of flower, but even it's like legs, they're shaped similar.
• 2:01:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:01:30
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, it's body is stripped down.
• 2:01:33
  [UNKNOWN]: It doesn't have the gown, so it looks a little bit more like that anthropomorphic, whatever.
• 2:01:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Humanoid shape.
• 2:01:39
  [UNKNOWN]: But it still is like weird and alien, and I feel like the feet,
• 2:01:44
  [UNKNOWN]: are based on whatever these are called on the flower, whatever.
• 2:01:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know what they're called, but that's that's that's Lilykins feet.
• 2:01:52
  [UNKNOWN]: So it still just has as like alien look to it.
• 2:01:54
  [UNKNOWN]: So I just want to give it its flowers.
• 2:01:57
  [UNKNOWN]: That's not even a pun at this point.
• 2:01:59
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just the truth.
• 2:02:00
  [UNKNOWN]: What are we putting this thing?
• 2:02:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Beater is that where we're said, I'm still I'm still sitting with B. I think there's some density to it.
• 2:02:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, I agree.
• 2:02:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Is that cool hoops?
• 2:02:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, yeah, throw it at me.
• 2:02:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Where did you put it again?
• 2:02:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I was going to say I said see, but if you say bull if both of you say B, then it goes to be I think that's fine.
• 2:02:17
  [UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
• 2:02:17
  [UNKNOWN]: That the match matches up with like more actors and stuff.
• 2:02:20
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, this might be a big one, but like we got deerling and that whole line the whole mess of a this is at least see and even that is I think that is that's being a
• 2:02:31
  [UNKNOWN]: generous.
• 2:02:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to unpack this a little bit.
• 2:02:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I really do because let me let me pull it up.
• 2:02:35
  [UNKNOWN]: We got okay because it has all these different forms.
• 2:02:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I think okay what I really like about Deerling and this is where this is where we need to figure this out.
• 2:02:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I think what I like about Deerling is that it is a Pokemon a grass type that represents the different how a plant changes throughout the seasons.
• 2:02:50
  [UNKNOWN]: That's great.
• 2:02:52
  [UNKNOWN]: But that's a plant and Deerling shows off flowers and
• 2:02:57
  [UNKNOWN]: But it's mostly, it's mostly just doing cool stuff for plants and not necessarily flowers.
• 2:03:02
  [UNKNOWN]: And I think that's kind of what I'm trying to unpack right here.
• 2:03:06
  [UNKNOWN]: So, I don't know, what do you guys think?
• 2:03:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Cause size book, the spring form is the only one that has flowers.
• 2:03:12
  [UNKNOWN]: To be, this has always felt like a Pokemon, even in its typing, isn't the base one normal ground?
• 2:03:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it feels normal first, grass, second, not ground, sorry.
• 2:03:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:03:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:03:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I think like now this deep into the conversation, we've definitely explored all the avenues of like how flowers are utilized in the design and it does benefit it.
• 2:03:33
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a cute flower on its head, but I think the main draw of Deerling and why it might be exciting to be on this list is what we really like about Deerling is all the different colors and forms, but at the entirety
• 2:03:47
  [UNKNOWN]: um, it doesn't even necessarily even focus too much on the flowers once it evolves.
• 2:03:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I just think it's as a flower on its head, like Skip Loom.
• 2:03:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Yep.
• 2:03:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm with you.
• 2:03:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm looking at this is so cute.
• 2:03:58
  [UNKNOWN]: The winter form, Dex entry for Deerling and Violet says, this Pokemon will playfully headbutt those it gets along with well.
• 2:04:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, it has antlers hidden under its flower, so the headbutts are a little painful.
• 2:04:12
  [UNKNOWN]: This is so, that is so cute.
• 2:04:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I had no idea that it had antlers, that's so cute.
• 2:04:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Knowing that is so cute.
• 2:04:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:04:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I still think it just, it kind of has just the decoration to me.
• 2:04:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I agree.
• 2:04:24
  [UNKNOWN]: I love all the forms, but yeah.
• 2:04:26
  [UNKNOWN]: And then the only one that I think is maybe, it could, I don't know, maybe add a little bit more to this conversation is the spring form of its evolution where I do kind of love that it has these spring flowers growing on its on the velvet on its antlers, right?
• 2:04:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I said, yeah, you know, I do like it, but even then it just feels like,
• 2:04:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a little bit like an afterthought.
• 2:04:48
  [UNKNOWN]: It's, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah
• 2:05:02
  [UNKNOWN]: the the the feature of these Pokemon, which is obviously the seasons and like the different things that it gets on its antlers to me they've always felt kind of tacked on like if you look at the the spring form that which is the only one that has the flowers
• 2:05:20
  [UNKNOWN]: That's basically just a deer with flowers pasted onto the antlers.
• 2:05:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Like it's not like very, it's not very like Pokemonified.
• 2:05:33
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's more about the seasons that feels like right than it is flower.
• 2:05:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes, definitely.
• 2:05:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, the dex entries for the spring form says it seems that sauce buck with many flowers on its antlers will grow at a slightly slower place because the flowers absorb the Pokemon's nutrients So this Pokemon is like basically yeah, it's like it's like anti flower right like trainers who want to train a sauce buck are being discouraged by the polka dex to not
• 2:06:06
  [UNKNOWN]: like have any flowers on their antlers.
• 2:06:08
  [UNKNOWN]: So honestly, I think this is an F-tier.
• 2:06:11
  [UNKNOWN]: There are many stars.
• 2:06:13
  [UNKNOWN]: We need to put somebody in the F-tier.
• 2:06:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, let's do a cancel that deer.
• 2:06:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:06:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, where's my dance already there?
• 2:06:23
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, going to F-tier.
• 2:06:25
  [UNKNOWN]: It's going to F-tier.
• 2:06:26
  [UNKNOWN]: How do we feel about how do we feel about a
• 2:06:29
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, this is where we're currently on the anniversary of ZA.
• 2:06:32
  [UNKNOWN]: How do we feel about the Flababe line?
• 2:06:34
  [UNKNOWN]: There's a lot of flowers here.
• 2:06:36
  [UNKNOWN]: And they're not grass type.
• 2:06:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Is this the first not grass type flower?
• 2:06:40
  [UNKNOWN]: We got a fairy type.
• 2:06:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think outside of that though, like I think Flababe does the embodiment of the flower that we see in maybe Lilligan.
• 2:06:49
  [UNKNOWN]: And even like Venusaur, who is a growing plant,
• 2:06:54
  [UNKNOWN]: You see that way more in the entirety of the evolution line.
• 2:06:59
  [UNKNOWN]: You get flowers at different colors, which is something people love.
• 2:07:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Eternal flow at has become an icon in her own right after.
• 2:07:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I call it the different colors.
• 2:07:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:07:09
  [UNKNOWN]: And I call it that.
• 2:07:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I call it the genza.
• 2:07:12
  [UNKNOWN]: That's that's so much better than you say than me.
• 2:07:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I call it legends and I love it like there's so many different ways that she grows with it Like she is the flower at first then she has it as a parasol and then she becomes a bouquet It's so many different.
• 2:07:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:07:29
  [UNKNOWN]: That's good.
• 2:07:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's true.
• 2:07:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Executions of how it looks like they just play with the flower concept way harder Yeah, does it boss?
• 2:07:38
  [UNKNOWN]: No, that's I love I didn't even think about the becoming a bouquet You're right it like cinches at the bottom and it's kind of like a mermaid
• 2:07:47
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't because I feel like the design is just so flowery that you can look past it in all honesty.
• 2:07:54
  [UNKNOWN]: When I first saw this Pokemon, it literally, I trained it all the way up and sometimes I just don't be paying attention.
• 2:08:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I was like, oh, that's a fairy type.
• 2:08:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, absolutely, and it also does, it also does the similar thing to what we talked about with Megany and where the flowers are like the big poofy French hair, which I appreciate that a lot.
• 2:08:20
  [UNKNOWN]: So, you know what, I would say, what about full of baby?
• 2:08:26
  [UNKNOWN]: because it's like, maybe it's got a little flower crown, but it also, it's just holding a flower.
• 2:08:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's not a flower, but like, the whole of the design is literally a flower.
• 2:08:40
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:08:41
  [UNKNOWN]: She's like living in the flower and then she evolves and sort of holds her old flower as she's growing in support just.
• 2:08:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Hmm.
• 2:08:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I see it.
• 2:08:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I think.
• 2:08:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, I also really love that and there are so many different colors because I think that's also like part of the joy of flowers, it's still instructing a flower team is like color variation is a big part of having a team that represents flowers, but also just like, you know, we've got a bunch of dollars and there's a bunch of different colors that you can get I feel like that's essential when it comes to when it comes to flowers that's honestly really nice.
• 2:09:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And if we mention mega flowet, yeah, it is attached to its flower with an abilical cord.
• 2:09:33
  [UNKNOWN]: And you can't really get more dedicated to no punk rock like I love like having the super cute like girly Pokemon and her, she's one of the only that gets the only that gets a mega evolution in second stage and it's like,
• 2:09:48
  [UNKNOWN]: really hardcore for no reason.
• 2:09:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's it's kind of all.
• 2:09:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's you think you like flowers Yeah, flowet is about flow.
• 2:09:59
  [UNKNOWN]: That's crazy flow it is insane flowet is it crazy?
• 2:10:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I think Okay, I Is it eight here?
• 2:10:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm sorry is it S tier I was gonna say here feels normal, but is it S tier?
• 2:10:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's do it in A because I feel like it's still that grass type is a little bit of friction for me sure the lack of grass it becomes it still be it truly becomes part of the like the flowers like they're combined together, but maybe the the lack of typing makes it more of a larp or just a really good one you're right yeah you're right it's like.
• 2:10:36
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like it's like a theater kid who like never really shows their true personality But they're really talented, but you believe them.
• 2:10:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, exactly.
• 2:10:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, you have a pair of social relationships with them even though they're like You grew up with them in their hometown.
• 2:10:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's crazy This Pokemon creates an impressive flower garden in its own territory.
• 2:10:55
  [UNKNOWN]: It draws fourth the power of the red flowers around its neck Oh, dude, man
• 2:11:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is its natural habitat.
• 2:11:04
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, that sounds good.
• 2:11:05
  [UNKNOWN]: We'll put it in an A tier.
• 2:11:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess another Pokemon that kind of fits this category is Comfe.
• 2:11:13
  [UNKNOWN]: What do we think about Comfe?
• 2:11:14
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a ferret, another ferret type from Gen7.
• 2:11:19
  [UNKNOWN]: It looks like a Hawaiian lay.
• 2:11:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And I...
• 2:11:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I liked the concept of this Pokemon a lot, especially in Gen 7, because it has an ability that gives it priority moves.
• 2:11:33
  [UNKNOWN]: I think the healing moves?
• 2:11:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:11:35
  [UNKNOWN]: A big healer.
• 2:11:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:11:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I love that card.
• 2:11:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that is really nice.
• 2:11:40
  [UNKNOWN]: And so, but it's kind of like, it's like a little snake.
• 2:11:43
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, because if you, the flowers again are not part of its body.
• 2:11:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just a, it's just a fairy type.
• 2:11:48
  [UNKNOWN]: And it kind of just has like cleft key.
• 2:11:50
  [UNKNOWN]: This like dangly little thing.
• 2:11:52
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a tail.
• 2:11:53
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like this.
• 2:11:54
  [UNKNOWN]: It's so weird.
• 2:11:55
  [UNKNOWN]: If you see it without.
• 2:11:58
  [UNKNOWN]: It's so weird.
• 2:12:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:12:00
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I think that this is one of the most unique like flowery Pokemon designs.
• 2:12:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to put it high up there.
• 2:12:07
  [UNKNOWN]: It gives flower.
• 2:12:09
  [UNKNOWN]: It's covered in flowers.
• 2:12:10
  [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of where I start and end.
• 2:12:12
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, come.
• 2:12:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Faith is just very unique.
• 2:12:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, I love seeing it in its original game.
• 2:12:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I love how it even like transferred over to the Switch games.
• 2:12:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, I love seeing it even just in the overworld.
• 2:12:27
  [UNKNOWN]: but I've shiny hunted it, I love it, shiny.
• 2:12:30
  [UNKNOWN]: And I just think it's one of the most unique ones, and the flowers are big part of its design.
• 2:12:34
  [UNKNOWN]: So.
• 2:12:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I totally agree.
• 2:12:38
  [UNKNOWN]: I think the fact that it's like covered in flowers is a huge deal for what we're talking about and also I give it major props for pulling off what it is so well because making a Pokemon based on a lay that's not like something that like comes naturally you don't look at it and be like, oh, I know how that would be a Pokemon.
• 2:13:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Like it was definitely a challenge to make a lay Pokemon and I think they pulled it off so well to where it looks like a lay you see the lay right away But it also is very much a monster.
• 2:13:15
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not just again like a flower with a face or whatever So I think they were they they just pulled off the execution really well
• 2:13:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I haven't had some really great Pokemon and I think come face and you're full of that So in the decks come face a classified as the posy picker Pokemon.
• 2:13:33
  [UNKNOWN]: That's honestly I love that.
• 2:13:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I love it for that alone He's just he's just hanging out in the garden just picking flowers Yeah, that's um that it is what it is oh, so it says it uses its vine So like the tail that I described it's classified as a vine that type of flowers
• 2:13:53
  [UNKNOWN]: the flowers that come fey attaches to itself develop healing properties.
• 2:13:58
  [UNKNOWN]: So he's almost a little bit of like an an alchemist or a like I'm thinking about like an apothecary.
• 2:14:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I also think about like the lay and how it's typically used in like ceremonial damage and stuff stuff that raises people spirits.
• 2:14:12
  [UNKNOWN]: That kind of goes into its healing capabilities as well.
• 2:14:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:14:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, this is just, I think we are all comfy.
• 2:14:19
  [UNKNOWN]: If you pick flowers, you're a comfy.
• 2:14:21
  [UNKNOWN]: That's how I feel when I pick flowers.
• 2:14:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I also want to say that this is a very impressive Pokemon, considering the conversation we've had, because this is also a pure fairy type.
• 2:14:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but it does not go through so many iterations and stuff.
• 2:14:36
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a very much less is more quality flowermon.
• 2:14:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Like this is just, they did it well.
• 2:14:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:14:42
  [UNKNOWN]: So cute dude.
• 2:14:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:14:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Wow.
• 2:14:44
  [UNKNOWN]: So we're putting this guy in a tier then.
• 2:14:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Hey.
• 2:14:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:14:46
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what I want to see.
• 2:14:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Listen, for the, okay.
• 2:14:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Can I make an argument in terms of ratio, right, of flowers to Pokemon?
• 2:14:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I think comfy is our undisputed champion S tier.
• 2:15:00
  [UNKNOWN]: There is one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight flowers in this design to come phase.
• 2:15:07
  [UNKNOWN]: One little face.
• 2:15:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Good design.
• 2:15:09
  [UNKNOWN]: Put it in
• 2:15:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Is it I think it's a petition.
• 2:15:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:15:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:15:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Look at this baby.
• 2:15:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Everyone watching right now say say say why you like come play as well.
• 2:15:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Dude, but he's not even grass.
• 2:15:22
  [UNKNOWN]: That's he's not even grass type.
• 2:15:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:15:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Holy cow.
• 2:15:26
  [UNKNOWN]: All right.
• 2:15:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Now.
• 2:15:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to talk about this.
• 2:15:27
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, sorry.
• 2:15:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I was gonna.
• 2:15:29
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm ready to put capsicate in F. That's all.
• 2:15:31
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, let's talk about, all right, let's talk about Cove Skid, let's talk about Cove Skid, let's talk about Cove Skid, she's, what did you want to say?
• 2:15:39
  [UNKNOWN]: First of all, tell us why it's here because there is like an obvious flower on it.
• 2:15:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, so this, this was my pick, and I want to just pull it up, so I have like some visual cues.
• 2:15:51
  [UNKNOWN]: So, Cove's a kid, it's a little pepper, right?
• 2:15:55
  [UNKNOWN]: It evolves into Scovillean, the double headed pepper, right?
• 2:16:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Should I tell a story?
• 2:16:02
  [UNKNOWN]: No, let me just explain what it is.
• 2:16:04
  [UNKNOWN]: So the little baby bonnet that you see on its head is the flower.
• 2:16:08
  [UNKNOWN]: It's basically capsicid enters the world wearing it has a flower, but it's already at the stage where it's face is the start of a pepper.
• 2:16:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and usually what happens is, yeah, the pepper is growing out of the flower, basically.
• 2:16:28
  [UNKNOWN]: There's no flower in caps and scow villains design at all, but I told fun.
• 2:16:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I was like, we need to see this link on the list.
• 2:16:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Technically technically there's a flower.
• 2:16:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It technically is a flower, you know, whoops.
• 2:16:42
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• 2:16:43
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• 2:17:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I, what I do like about the Scoville in mind, it was specifically with Capsicate as well, as I do like that it's one little baby tooth does look like a pepper seed.
• 2:18:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that's a good design concept, but this Pokemon to me reads more as a pepper.
• 2:18:13
  [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, it's, I mean, obviously part of that is the flowering of the pepper.
• 2:18:21
  [UNKNOWN]: But the the flower doesn't really even like cross your mind.
• 2:18:24
  [UNKNOWN]: No.
• 2:18:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it doesn't.
• 2:18:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I do think Capsicate is a fun one.
• 2:18:28
  [UNKNOWN]: I would love to see how strong I could make just to Capsicate like with it, um, eveelite or something.
• 2:18:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, because he's a funny little guy, but that's a pepper to me.
• 2:18:37
  [UNKNOWN]: We'll have an era pepper.
• 2:18:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I agree.
• 2:18:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not it doesn't like the flower part doesn't really register So I would I would not really consider it much of a flower poem on
• 2:18:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm trying to find an example.
• 2:18:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is pretty good right here.
• 2:18:55
  [UNKNOWN]: You can see right, you can see the flower.
• 2:18:58
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just a little white flower and then from that Depepper grows.
• 2:19:02
  [UNKNOWN]: That's capsicum.
• 2:19:03
  [UNKNOWN]: This little thing right here.
• 2:19:04
  [UNKNOWN]: The flowers fall off.
• 2:19:05
  [UNKNOWN]: That's capsicum.
• 2:19:06
  [UNKNOWN]: That's him.
• 2:19:07
  [UNKNOWN]: That's all it is.
• 2:19:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I like to cut them up and put them in my slowpoke tails, too.
• 2:19:14
  [UNKNOWN]: You can cut this one.
• 2:19:16
  [UNKNOWN]: No, it's good.
• 2:19:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we should talk about, like, That's better than it to thicken the broth.
• 2:19:22
  [UNKNOWN]: That's our next tier list, like, How are we, like, food tier?
• 2:19:26
  [UNKNOWN]: How are we cooking Pokemon?
• 2:19:29
  [UNKNOWN]: like, is that how are we eating them that so that episode does exist on hidden power it's from three years ago and I don't think it did very well because I think I don't I think I was having too much fun.
• 2:19:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think a Solon Lumi enjoyed it as much.
• 2:19:44
  [UNKNOWN]: They were like what's the point of this like we but the episode does exist go check that out.
• 2:19:50
  [UNKNOWN]: It's an arbitrary Pokemon category.
• 2:19:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh yeah, it's so good.
• 2:19:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, so, so yeah, honestly, now that's the, he goes to F-tier.
• 2:19:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm glad he's on the list.
• 2:20:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I just wanted him to, I just wanted him to be invited.
• 2:20:02
  [UNKNOWN]: That's, I'm almost done.
• 2:20:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I, I would say I'm almost tempted to put him in detail just because he's not flower, really at all.
• 2:20:11
  [UNKNOWN]: He's doing some unique.
• 2:20:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I do think the bonnet, flower combination is fairly like creative.
• 2:20:18
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like the worst, it's like the worst flower crown.
• 2:20:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Therefore, I want to put it in DE.
• 2:20:23
  [UNKNOWN]: like it can't be up there and see what the other flower crown girls.
• 2:20:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, come on.
• 2:20:27
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's pretty good.
• 2:20:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's put them in detail here.
• 2:20:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:20:30
  [UNKNOWN]: He's more of a flower.
• 2:20:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I know.
• 2:20:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:20:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:20:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:20:33
  [UNKNOWN]: I think he deserves like here.
• 2:20:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:20:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Like maybe there's a branched evolution where because the story I was going to say is that when I was growing peppers in my apartment,
• 2:20:42
  [UNKNOWN]: so many years ago, pre-COVID, I remember I mistakenly thought I was supposed to pinch the flowers to promote, this is so stupid.
• 2:20:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Now I did, I'm like embarrassed to say this, pinch the flowers, like deadhead it to promote growth towards the fruit.
• 2:20:59
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, and then I was reading, I was like, no, you're supposed to... How many capsicates do you so many?
• 2:21:05
  [UNKNOWN]: So many?
• 2:21:06
  [UNKNOWN]: But maybe that's the evolution.
• 2:21:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe the evolution for capsicates is he gets squished.
• 2:21:10
  [UNKNOWN]: And he doesn't become a pepper, but he comes becomes a whole bush.
• 2:21:14
  [UNKNOWN]: And then maybe he becomes a ghost pepper because he died.
• 2:21:17
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:21:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, there's a lot of, there's a lot of cool options with pepper Pokemon.
• 2:21:23
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's crazy.
• 2:21:25
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a side tangent, but like,
• 2:21:28
  [UNKNOWN]: When Scoville and first dropped, I was like, this is the most like bare bones way you could have done at per Pokemon, because we've all heard about, oh yeah, per Pokemon, grass fire type.
• 2:21:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got like, we've seen this before.
• 2:21:42
  [UNKNOWN]: So I was like, I was like, really couldn't do more than this.
• 2:21:45
  [UNKNOWN]: But then the mega came out, and I was like, this is exactly what I like the most, should have been.
• 2:21:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:21:51
  [UNKNOWN]: The thing is, with Capsicad, I have a fondness towards Generation 9 because of what it is.
• 2:21:57
  [UNKNOWN]: I've played all Pokemon games and I love games in general, so even if a game is a little rougher on the edges, it's fun to me.
• 2:22:04
  [UNKNOWN]: And I just remember first seeing Capsicad.
• 2:22:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I did not see any like leaks or anything, so I did not know this Pokemon existed.
• 2:22:12
  [UNKNOWN]: That was like, oh weird.
• 2:22:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Game freak, you have to be kidding me.
• 2:22:15
  [UNKNOWN]: What is this tiny little green man running around?
• 2:22:18
  [UNKNOWN]: He's running.
• 2:22:19
  [UNKNOWN]: He's tiny.
• 2:22:20
  [UNKNOWN]: He's so tiny.
• 2:22:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Like you can't even read that it's like a, it has a flower on its head until you open up the Poke decks.
• 2:22:26
  [UNKNOWN]: You're like, oh, that's a grass type.
• 2:22:28
  [UNKNOWN]: That just looks like a small green man to me.
• 2:22:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh my god.
• 2:22:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Man, that's throwing me back.
• 2:22:32
  [UNKNOWN]: The joy of playing Scarlett and Violet for the first time was actually a blast.
• 2:22:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Right.
• 2:22:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like the what is this world?
• 2:22:40
  [UNKNOWN]: It's it's the funkeest Pokemon you'll ever play.
• 2:22:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh my god in the Pokemon are crazy All right, so our little man goes to D tier.
• 2:22:47
  [UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
• 2:22:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I was gonna say we I think we could just eliminate one more of these which is What is it?
• 2:22:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Gossafler?
• 2:22:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I Yeah, Gossafler is a flower.
• 2:22:59
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got a it has a crown honestly.
• 2:23:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it should go to C tier.
• 2:23:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is
• 2:23:05
  [UNKNOWN]: you know what let me let me go to the dex let let me let me let me let me let me actually look up don't be what you don't stand or my girl gossip for a desk oh you like gossip I'm not like her because I do like whimsical caught is the like it's her whimsical caught in jump-up in the same category and I think whimsical caught's just doing it better like
• 2:23:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:23:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, I, no, no, no.
• 2:23:25
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:23:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I, I don't know what it is about it, but I just, I like it.
• 2:23:31
  [UNKNOWN]: In terms of the, in terms of the like, like, it is a part of the feminine grass type genre, because they have a grass life food, you're regional,
• 2:23:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like this one is amongst, I mean, I know it's basic.
• 2:23:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I know it's like not powerful or whatever.
• 2:23:51
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not like remarkable.
• 2:23:53
  [UNKNOWN]: But just design-wise, I just feel like it's appealing.
• 2:23:55
  [UNKNOWN]: And then I really love how they did the, they did the Dandy Lion combined with the old lady aesthetic.
• 2:24:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Like that just works.
• 2:24:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:24:04
  [UNKNOWN]: That works.
• 2:24:05
  [UNKNOWN]: So the shiny.
• 2:24:06
  [UNKNOWN]: So thickening, too.
• 2:24:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
• 2:24:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:24:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I've cooled off on Elder Goss over the years.
• 2:24:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I remember giving this a pretty bad rating in a tier list.
• 2:24:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I think the biggest thing for me is I just get annoyed when like, like, generate happened.
• 2:24:19
  [UNKNOWN]: They say, digs it happens and they're like, guess what, you can't use these old Pokemon and then they're like, so let's introduce some brand new, like, renditions on the same genre of Pokemon that we just said you can't have.
• 2:24:33
  [UNKNOWN]: right.
• 2:24:33
  [UNKNOWN]: We got another electric dog.
• 2:24:35
  [UNKNOWN]: We got another grass, simple grass type, you know, cotton, uh, you know, cotton weed, whatever it's called, right.
• 2:24:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, do something different.
• 2:24:44
  [UNKNOWN]: And but I do think Eldegas does have a different vibe, but we're not talking about Eldegas, because Eldegas is not a flower.
• 2:24:50
  [UNKNOWN]: We're talking about it.
• 2:24:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, you know, now we're not getting propagandized by hoops.
• 2:24:55
  [UNKNOWN]: And this is why we need such three different distinct approaches.
• 2:24:58
  [UNKNOWN]: There's a very important flower-on conversation.
• 2:25:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, he's cooking.
• 2:25:02
  [UNKNOWN]: If we're thinking about the second evolution for like the community, sort of thing, she low key is doing the flower crown better than skip loom.
• 2:25:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah, that's true.
• 2:25:12
  [UNKNOWN]: That is true.
• 2:25:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:25:13
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a big flower.
• 2:25:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I got to go to the deck.
• 2:25:15
  [UNKNOWN]: So what is this?
• 2:25:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Gossaflare?
• 2:25:17
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no.
• 2:25:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Gossaflare is inspired by the cotton plant.
• 2:25:20
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's literally the cotton, okay.
• 2:25:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Specifically, it's flower.
• 2:25:23
  [UNKNOWN]: It is also based on a purported legend.
• 2:25:26
  [UNKNOWN]: that Pokemon Sword and Shield director should gearu, Omari, had heard of how catching cotton balls floating in the air may bring good luck.
• 2:25:35
  [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of cute.
• 2:25:36
  [UNKNOWN]: That is cute.
• 2:25:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Gossafler may also be a reference to the wind flower, which is common in the British Isles.
• 2:25:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Let me look that up.
• 2:25:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Or to a variety of folk songs and poems dedicated to this plant.
• 2:25:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, the Gosse PM.
• 2:25:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's kind of okay.
• 2:25:54
  [UNKNOWN]: That's the origins kind of getting me a little bit.
• 2:25:57
  [UNKNOWN]: That's actually I guess I guess if there's actual ties in region reasons for why I should exist.
• 2:26:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that's that's helping me a little bit.
• 2:26:06
  [UNKNOWN]: That's cute.
• 2:26:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, I'll agree with you on that.
• 2:26:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I think technically it came out after.
• 2:26:22
  [UNKNOWN]: The thing to me, I will always say Jumplev had to walk so Eldegloss could run or float or float.
• 2:26:31
  [UNKNOWN]: But I do, I like it.
• 2:26:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Jumplev is genuinely a smiling ball with three.
• 2:26:38
  [UNKNOWN]: floating puffs on it, and then the shiny is pink.
• 2:26:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I will admit that that's why I like it.
• 2:26:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, dude, what is this?
• 2:26:45
  [UNKNOWN]: It's based on the, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then, and then,
• 2:27:05
  [UNKNOWN]: But I don't think that's what it is.
• 2:27:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Is it based on like, damn anyways, sorry.
• 2:27:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going down to many rabbit holes.
• 2:27:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking about like a version of Eldegas that is like, I mean, everything in sort of shield, I'm like, what's the medieval fantasy video game equivalent?
• 2:27:23
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm like, okay, if Eldegas is here, that's kind of cool.
• 2:27:26
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, she looks like a white mage that she would like unlock the game.
• 2:27:30
  [UNKNOWN]: They should be making like potions, you know?
• 2:27:36
  [UNKNOWN]: What is it called night shade which is a type of tomato right or tomato is a type of night shade and I'm like night shade and video games is always used as like a poison Yo, that would be if they do like a like a plant Pokemon in the future that's related to that they should give it Night the night shade move as a reference because then you're like why does this Pokemon have a ghost type move?
• 2:28:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's true.
• 2:28:03
  [UNKNOWN]: It's it's lower
• 2:28:05
  [UNKNOWN]: That's good.
• 2:28:05
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I like that.
• 2:28:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I like that.
• 2:28:06
  [UNKNOWN]: That's a good connection.
• 2:28:07
  [UNKNOWN]: So Gostofler is going what we're doing C tier.
• 2:28:10
  [UNKNOWN]: You guys are I feel like it.
• 2:28:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like it's B tier.
• 2:28:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like it matches like yeah, and these past these past two capsicates in Gostofler.
• 2:28:16
  [UNKNOWN]: They're both Pokemon that have the flower crown moment.
• 2:28:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's the kid kind of does it the worst and Gostofler kind of does it the best.
• 2:28:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I'm also noticing that a lot of these specifically the ones we have a beat here.
• 2:28:30
  [UNKNOWN]: They're all like flower crowns or flowers in their hair.
• 2:28:35
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what it is.
• 2:28:36
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like you either are a flower or you're just, I mean, flower, I love to tear this like this because when it all starts to settle, you start seeing patterns that are really interesting over like how we can combine our tastes to agree on how they're ranked.
• 2:28:49
  [UNKNOWN]: And yeah, like BC is like flower crown, DF is like, okay, the flower is there, but barely.
• 2:28:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:28:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if was like flower, like flower child, flower in your hair?
• 2:29:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Was that?
• 2:29:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Was that also like in the UK in the 60s during like the what is it like the I feel like it was like during like the civil rights movement.
• 2:29:13
  [UNKNOWN]: It was that only in the United States.
• 2:29:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm thinking about like woodstock that you know, I think that's definitely very culturally in the United States, but I'm pretty sure because the UK is basically our cousins.
• 2:29:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they probably got a little bit of hippie stuff to go.
• 2:29:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:29:27
  [UNKNOWN]: That would be I guess that's what I'm thinking.
• 2:29:29
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm like elder goss.
• 2:29:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Again, there's maybe there's a cool evolution here where it's like, yeah, it's like a hippie evolution.
• 2:29:36
  [UNKNOWN]: That's kind of fun.
• 2:29:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to kind of, let's jump to Jen, let's jump back to Jen 9 with Miao Scorata.
• 2:29:45
  [UNKNOWN]: It is technically on this list because it has it juggles flowers.
• 2:29:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, what, what are your first kind of thoughts about Miao Skirata being misled in love with her?
• 2:29:56
  [UNKNOWN]: She's so fine, but we've really, we've really, we've really started to create some definitions between the three of us.
• 2:30:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm like, what we're looking for in this category.
• 2:30:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And like, I feel like she's like sitting up in front of me like on a page and stage, but I'm like, Miao Skirata, at this point, you're not really the flower nor is it on you.
• 2:30:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:30:14
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like,
• 2:30:15
  [UNKNOWN]: the magician.
• 2:30:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's just it's it might not even be a real flower for all we know.
• 2:30:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Now the second evolution she's holding it in her mouth.
• 2:30:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:30:25
  [UNKNOWN]: It's the, I don't it's with skillful misdirection it rigs foes with pollen packed flower bombs and then it sets the bombs.
• 2:30:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:30:35
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, camouflage the stems of its flower creating the illusion that the flower is floating.
• 2:30:43
  [UNKNOWN]: This, I don't think this really fits the category anymore.
• 2:30:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I will say this, this would be, I thought for this one.
• 2:30:49
  [UNKNOWN]: For a concept team though, she would be really fun in an all-flower team with her being the only one that's not a flower, because I like to think of her, sort of, like if there's a green lead in you.
• 2:31:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's like taking the flowers off the comfy is like buying to use them as bombs instead.
• 2:31:06
  [UNKNOWN]: But I don't think this is a flower mine.
• 2:31:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:31:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, yeah, it's on the tier list.
• 2:31:11
  [UNKNOWN]: It's on the tier list.
• 2:31:13
  [UNKNOWN]: it's going to have to hear and I honestly mescarada I've come around to it over the last couple of years I think it's actually kind of cool um all right well you know what we missed uh we we over we over looked what is it lorantes
• 2:31:27
  [UNKNOWN]: which is ending for her based off of the orchid mantis thing.
• 2:31:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, blended right in.
• 2:31:33
  [UNKNOWN]: So, being honest, I love learned antis.
• 2:31:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I've been staring at, I got one of the new cards and I've been staring at, I got this card.
• 2:31:39
  [UNKNOWN]: And I've been staring at it forever.
• 2:31:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess I kind of, I guess I kind of need a refresher on the, unlike the lore.
• 2:31:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, so I know it's a plant that looks like a bug, but
• 2:31:50
  [UNKNOWN]: But it's based, but it is a flower, right?
• 2:31:52
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a bit confusing because what it's doing is the orchid mantis looks like an orchid and lives on it, which is a bug.
• 2:32:00
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a flower that looks like a bug in the Pokemon universe, like a flip on its actual biological source.
• 2:32:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think, to me, well, actually in this concept art, you do see some flower motifs.
• 2:32:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I don't know.
• 2:32:15
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think we ever see this, but I don't know if you see this in the game,
• 2:32:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Lawrence is like, I guess when it's like sleeping, but it kind of like folds up and looks like a flower.
• 2:32:28
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's, that's really nice actually.
• 2:32:30
  [UNKNOWN]: And it is a grass type.
• 2:32:31
  [UNKNOWN]: So it's important.
• 2:32:32
  [UNKNOWN]: It's knowledge that it is trying, that they're trying to like explicitly say that this isn't a bug.
• 2:32:37
  [UNKNOWN]: It's called the Bloom Sickle Pokemon.
• 2:32:39
  [UNKNOWN]: That is so cool.
• 2:32:41
  [UNKNOWN]: This is like, I love Scissor and I love Laurentis.
• 2:32:47
  [UNKNOWN]: This is like flower Scissor, it's so good.
• 2:32:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Laurentis, yeah, you're right.
• 2:32:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Laurentis may be based on the orchid flower along with the orchid mantis.
• 2:32:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, so what you just said.
• 2:32:57
  [UNKNOWN]: And then, yeah, let's check this out.
• 2:32:58
  [UNKNOWN]: The orchid.
• 2:33:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Crazy.
• 2:33:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:33:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I can see it.
• 2:33:02
  [UNKNOWN]: What do you think hoops?
• 2:33:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this one is it's one of the most unique on the list because it's like it's it's a bug but it's not a bug and yeah I think like the fact that it's like specifically like it is intentionally a flower it's kind of trying not to be a flower.
• 2:33:26
  [UNKNOWN]: But it is a flower, and I think I've never really seen it before, but that concept art where it showed it literally like folded up into a flower is pretty sad.
• 2:33:39
  [UNKNOWN]: So significant because yeah, like that's a very flower centric design.
• 2:33:45
  [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, I think this one's pretty cool because it's very flower, but it's also very unique.
• 2:33:49
  [UNKNOWN]: And how it does that, it's not just like a lot of these, even the good ones.
• 2:33:55
  [UNKNOWN]: are kind of just like bunch of flowers, but this one is like very original.
• 2:34:01
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, like even if you look at the orchid like in the Wikipedia page that one main picture, it has very similar silhouette to the flower of the plant itself, the concept art references how it would like close up to look like a flower.
• 2:34:16
  [UNKNOWN]: And to me, I get a little bit of like miraculous but better because it's a weird flower.
• 2:34:24
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a very strange weird design, but it's it's executed with some density and.
• 2:34:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I like it.
• 2:34:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I, I, I, I like Lerantes.
• 2:34:34
  [UNKNOWN]: That's interesting because as this was growing, I was like, I wonder where Lerantes is going to be, but like now that we talk about it, it's a pretty good one.
• 2:34:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's that's to your, I think, yeah, you could listen, I'm going to, I'm going to say it, you could push back, but if Lerantes is literally
• 2:34:49
  [UNKNOWN]: a giant flower.
• 2:34:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Everything about it is a flower.
• 2:34:52
  [UNKNOWN]: It looks like a bug, but it's grass type.
• 2:34:54
  [UNKNOWN]: It looks like a flower.
• 2:34:55
  [UNKNOWN]: It's whole body is a flower.
• 2:34:56
  [UNKNOWN]: It can even turn into itself as a flower.
• 2:34:59
  [UNKNOWN]: It's also a monster.
• 2:35:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Like I think it has aspects that like that like, uh...
• 2:35:06
  [UNKNOWN]: whatever that grass type, what was the grass type one from generation five, uh, Lilligan.
• 2:35:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Lilligan is a freaky monster, but like it's almost, it's just like a little bit one note and it's whole body is not a flower.
• 2:35:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like this thing's entire body is a flower.
• 2:35:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and so I think it's I think it's est here.
• 2:35:26
  [UNKNOWN]: It is, it's whole body is a flower, but I personally would not quite go est here because even if it is to its credit like it's trying to do this, it does not portray flower, it portrays.
• 2:35:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:35:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:35:43
  [UNKNOWN]: I was trying to explain to you guys, I was trying to say, it doesn't look like a flower.
• 2:35:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:35:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I want to say a because I want to see more stuff like Lerantis, but I don't think that Lerantis necessarily sets the standard the way the S is do.
• 2:35:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:36:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
• 2:36:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 2:36:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I would still put it in a S tier.
• 2:36:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Because I think I think it is more of a flower.
• 2:36:07
  [UNKNOWN]: It is more complex.
• 2:36:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think it's it's pinker than any of the other ones.
• 2:36:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Honestly, I'm gonna argue be because no No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
• 2:36:38
  [UNKNOWN]: It is a flower, but the difference with it and something like cherim, cherim is a flower, and it looks like a flower.
• 2:36:48
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a flower, but it looks like a bug.
• 2:36:51
  [UNKNOWN]: So it doesn't check the boss in terms of her or her intent.
• 2:36:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, she's like a shame to the fact she's a flower.
• 2:36:58
  [UNKNOWN]: So she's a boss.
• 2:36:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Masquerading is a bug.
• 2:37:02
  [UNKNOWN]: Like be yourself.
• 2:37:03
  [UNKNOWN]: You want to put it in a box.
• 2:37:04
  [UNKNOWN]: So you want Larrantes to just like fit into the society's standards.
• 2:37:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Let Larrantes do what it want.
• 2:37:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Let it be a bug.
• 2:37:13
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a flower though.
• 2:37:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Undeniable.
• 2:37:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Can I be the middle ground and say A?
• 2:37:16
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like she's a good A. I feel the B is harsh.
• 2:37:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like F is hard to generous.
• 2:37:22
  [UNKNOWN]: Damn, all right, let's put her down.
• 2:37:24
  [UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
• 2:37:25
  [UNKNOWN]: It can go to a do it.
• 2:37:26
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got to be a I mean over vial plume.
• 2:37:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Like what are we talking about?
• 2:37:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Do Lorentz is so good.
• 2:37:33
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, well then on this on the flip of this.
• 2:37:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't yeah, I don't the last three are Are kind of those one of those you insisted was two of them actually no all all three of them are definitely flowers, but they're just okay
• 2:37:46
  [UNKNOWN]: uh... let's do this we get glamora i i told fun i was like this is got to be on the list because it's technically a flower and what type is it it's rock rock poison yeah glamora is a flower let's let's head over to the uh... the boba pia let's pull this up to do to do to do ad break to do to do all right glamora it is it is an orpocamon
• 2:38:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Glamora can mega evolve it does have a mega evolution I forgot about that that's like and it looks more like a like a flower in this version I forgot about this that's kind of cool Okay, Glamora is Conical flower like Pokemon.
• 2:38:28
  [UNKNOWN]: It is a translucent.
• 2:38:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, we know what it looks like The outermost Corolla has six dark blue petals ending in light green rectangle shapes Yeah, a lot a lot of talk about the a lot of talk about the petals this is
• 2:38:42
  [UNKNOWN]: with the petals open.
• 2:38:44
  [UNKNOWN]: So it's just like I guess I wanted this on the list because it's like undeniably a flower visually.
• 2:38:52
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not a living flower.
• 2:38:54
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not a biological grass-type flower, but it, you know, for all the reasons why you just knocked Lerantis down to A to E here, I feel like we do need to recognize Glamora,
• 2:39:06
  [UNKNOWN]: for doing the best, the best it can for being a poison and rock type Pokemon, right?
• 2:39:14
  [UNKNOWN]: It looks like a flower.
• 2:39:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's interesting that we're talking about this after Lerantis, because it's basically doing the same thing.
• 2:39:21
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a, well, it's kind of doing the opposite where Lerantis is a flower.
• 2:39:27
  [UNKNOWN]: trying to be a non-flower.
• 2:39:29
  [UNKNOWN]: And this is a non-flower that is trying to be a flower, because it's a rock type, it's the ore Pokemon, even that little sentence you just read says it's flower-like.
• 2:39:41
  [UNKNOWN]: So it's like, it's like a flower, but it's not a flower.
• 2:39:45
  [UNKNOWN]: So this, this is actually the definition of larping, but it doesn't very, very well.
• 2:39:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I wouldn't say that in a negative sense.
• 2:39:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I would just say it's like, to me, it's kind of has these little like, like spores coming off of it, you know?
• 2:39:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's kind of like middle of the road, because like it's, it's, it's not a flower, like full stop, but it is like, it's a whole body is like
• 2:40:14
  [UNKNOWN]: This is an image right here.
• 2:40:15
  [UNKNOWN]: It says mega glamora.
• 2:40:17
  [UNKNOWN]: It's bulb opens when attacking and you can kind of see.
• 2:40:20
  [UNKNOWN]: I've never seen this before.
• 2:40:22
  [UNKNOWN]: You can kind of see like what looks like a nose is kind of like opening a little bit like which.
• 2:40:28
  [UNKNOWN]: To me, it reminds me of the anatomy of like flowers.
• 2:40:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, what was it this, the stem and I, I don't actually know the biology.
• 2:40:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I get what you're saying.
• 2:40:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:40:38
  [UNKNOWN]: The thing about Glomora is, what I appreciate about Glomora, I, I always say this budget nine and I'm going to stick on this hill.
• 2:40:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like Jen nine is going to be the dark age of Pokemon and people are going to look back on it.
• 2:40:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, we didn't really give that Pokédex a chance.
• 2:40:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:40:51
  [UNKNOWN]: There's some reasons I'm not going to argue on that.
• 2:40:53
  [UNKNOWN]: But I think it's kind of cool that Glamora kind of does what the fairy type was doing in past generations where they're also taking flower motifs, but the rock type is not necessarily contextualized as like the girly type.
• 2:41:05
  [UNKNOWN]: So it was kind of cool to see them apply those design tropes to the rock type and I thought that it landed quite well too.
• 2:41:14
  [UNKNOWN]: You know.
• 2:41:16
  [UNKNOWN]: The fact that it is a rock-type flower Pokemon, I kind of like it, but I'm feeling sea.
• 2:41:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like it's like middle of the road.
• 2:41:23
  [UNKNOWN]: It's very interesting.
• 2:41:25
  [UNKNOWN]: But at this point we've seen like really cool like flower designs.
• 2:41:29
  [UNKNOWN]: This one just looks like a flower.
• 2:41:31
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's done well, but it just looks like a flower to me.
• 2:41:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Just one big flower.
• 2:41:36
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I think see is the perfect spot because it's like it's undeniably flower-coded But it's Truly not a flower.
• 2:41:46
  [UNKNOWN]: So like yeah, middle the road is best for it Basically worm at Ampset be trying to do what they're doing.
• 2:41:53
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, yes, see like worm at Ampset take notes from this.
• 2:41:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah
• 2:42:05
  [UNKNOWN]: That's, I mean, it's not actually a passive floor because it's like rock type or whatever.
• 2:42:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm reading the, uh, just the origins on Bolpipedia.
• 2:42:11
  [UNKNOWN]: The blue passion flower has been used in traditional medicines as a sedative and liberates toxic substances such as cyanide when boiled.
• 2:42:19
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess that is something that maybe we should mention like it is rock.
• 2:42:22
  [UNKNOWN]: it's an or it's a rock type, but it also is poison type and a lot of plants, a lot of some of the flowers, even on this list, are also poison type.
• 2:42:30
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's, I think that, I guess I wonder, I mean, it goes further to say that the rock type could be inspired by the extreme hard bark on the external bud, and that it also might be referencing the night shades as well with the typeing.
• 2:42:44
  [UNKNOWN]: So that's cool.
• 2:42:44
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that this is a really well-rounded Pokemon.
• 2:42:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think that it has that like sort of spectacle that some of the fairy types that are doing the flowers are doing, but there is something to be like acknowledged about Glomora.
• 2:42:55
  [UNKNOWN]: And it's a gen nine Pokemon, so I'm always going to be like, wait, don't skip it just yet.
• 2:43:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's talk about it, because I know you haven't beat the game.
• 2:43:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I mean, bro, every time this Pokemon is depicted,
• 2:43:11
  [UNKNOWN]: You know, it's also kind of interesting, like this, so this is a, this is the, it's most recent card.
• 2:43:16
  [UNKNOWN]: It shows Glamora amongst all of these colorful crystals.
• 2:43:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And that actually is kind of interesting.
• 2:43:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I wonder if the idea for this came out of the idea of like of area zero.
• 2:43:27
  [UNKNOWN]: And just like flowers can be presented in all these different colors, like a field of flowers.
• 2:43:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I feel like often times you'll see depictions of crystals that come in a variety of different colors, right?
• 2:43:38
  [UNKNOWN]: And those are, and also rocks are natural.
• 2:43:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like I, maybe I was saying that they weren't, they're not organic, or they're not, they're not living.
• 2:43:47
  [UNKNOWN]: But they are organic.
• 2:43:48
  [UNKNOWN]: They are natural.
• 2:43:49
  [UNKNOWN]: If it exists, it's natural.
• 2:43:51
  [UNKNOWN]: So that's, I don't know, maybe that's just like an interesting just a juxtaposition that like Game Freak was thinking about when they made this Pokemon.
• 2:43:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, it's a cool Pokemon.
• 2:43:58
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I kind of, that description kind of reminds me of like glass flowers to like, okay, I wonder if if that was considered at all because those are a thing.
• 2:44:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I've been to like that sort of like
• 2:44:16
  [UNKNOWN]: some of the sharp.
• 2:44:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:44:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:44:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:44:20
  [UNKNOWN]: That's fun, man.
• 2:44:21
  [UNKNOWN]: And that would that would kind of go with the rock type, too.
• 2:44:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So yeah.
• 2:44:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's do all right.
• 2:44:27
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna, I guess we're ending on one of the best ones, but let's do, um, I put this on the list.
• 2:44:34
  [UNKNOWN]: This is, if I can pull it up, for gosh, sick.
• 2:44:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I love watching them you go around on the screen.
• 2:44:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like my cocoa melon.
• 2:44:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I know this one's so good.
• 2:44:41
  [UNKNOWN]: This one's
• 2:44:44
  [UNKNOWN]: So, next up, we got Calerex, and over the last year, while working on my Pokemon Legends Gallery, like Game Concept Project, I realized, and I don't even think this is on Bulbapedia, or it wasn't originally, if I'm going to scroll down and it is there, no, just whatever.
• 2:45:03
  [UNKNOWN]: Calerex, to me, is 100% based on a P&E, because for most of the life cycle, or at least
• 2:45:14
  [UNKNOWN]: When Peanies start to bloom for so long, they are all bound up into this like perfectly giant circular bud.
• 2:45:23
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not even a bud.
• 2:45:24
  [UNKNOWN]: It is a flower.
• 2:45:24
  [UNKNOWN]: They just haven't all the leaves haven't like broken apart yet.
• 2:45:27
  [UNKNOWN]: And Calarax's body, I think I've never really been a fan of in the context of like, it is an animal because it looks, you're right, it's a king and it just looks so like weak.
• 2:45:37
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm just like, it's, it's body just looks like spaghetti.
• 2:45:41
  [UNKNOWN]: But then I realized I'm like, oh, this is, this is, this Pokemon is creating the silhouette of, you know, a flower.
• 2:45:50
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, you got to, you got to stem some flowers and then a penny and something else that peonies do and I'll pull up a picture here in a second is that you'll see the flower.
• 2:46:06
  [UNKNOWN]: Uh, you know, buds all over the plant that eventually will bloom and these little, these little, uh,
• 2:46:15
  [UNKNOWN]: What do they call it?
• 2:46:15
  [UNKNOWN]: There's little triforces that you see on each of the bulbs.
• 2:46:19
  [UNKNOWN]: Again, let me pull up an example to show you.
• 2:46:20
  [UNKNOWN]: But that is essentially, that's like the flower trying to come out, right?
• 2:46:24
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, each one of those is like a layer of a petal.
• 2:46:26
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like, think of it like an onion.
• 2:46:29
  [UNKNOWN]: And once that clicked for me, I really started enjoying calarex.
• 2:46:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Because I like bikinis.
• 2:46:33
  [UNKNOWN]: I said it earlier.
• 2:46:34
  [UNKNOWN]: It's, yeah, it's, I think it's my favorite flower.
• 2:46:38
  [UNKNOWN]: And so let me pull up the bikinis again.
• 2:46:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, what would it be called like a whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, here, here, you're, you're smelling is, thank you.
• 2:46:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
• 2:46:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, be careful.
• 2:46:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Appreciate it.
• 2:46:51
  [UNKNOWN]: That was good.
• 2:46:51
  [UNKNOWN]: That was, that was very good.
• 2:46:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
• 2:46:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
• 2:46:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Appreciate it.
• 2:46:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Good save.
• 2:46:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Good save.
• 2:46:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
• 2:46:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you.
• 2:46:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, okay, good save those great images.
• 2:47:02
  [UNKNOWN]: We're going to go to PN News and Man, I mean, I have so many pictures.
• 2:47:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this is pretty good.
• 2:47:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like these are brought that up because I what happened was with the process of this was I think Liam and I just found ourselves in a little talk and then we were like Let's do a video and then we thought of flowers.
• 2:47:21
  [UNKNOWN]: I brought a list to Liam and Liam was like we have to do calerics because it's based off of a PNE.
• 2:47:27
  [UNKNOWN]: And I kind of have always thought that CaliRix was a funny legendary because it looks like a sock baby, the way that it floats around like it's like a leg's dangle.
• 2:47:38
  [UNKNOWN]: That's funny, but it might be what's cool is it's like it's like this lost king in the story and the, the piano almost about to bloom gives the feeling of it's like on the precipice on like the
• 2:47:53
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just about to like bloom into its full potential as the king.
• 2:47:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, dude, you're right.
• 2:47:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I like that a lot.
• 2:48:00
  [UNKNOWN]: The horses are funny to me too.
• 2:48:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't I know that there's a whole story reason, but I just think it's so funny to watch him ride the horse.
• 2:48:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I think I think that's also why he's like dangly because it's like, yeah, I mean, yeah, like metaphorically.
• 2:48:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I look at him.
• 2:48:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Calrex is like he's like what do they call like a headpiece?
• 2:48:16
  [UNKNOWN]: He's just like king.
• 2:48:17
  [UNKNOWN]: You're just a crown.
• 2:48:18
  [UNKNOWN]: That's all, he's literally a crown.
• 2:48:19
  [UNKNOWN]: His body's a crown.
• 2:48:20
  [UNKNOWN]: All he is is a crown.
• 2:48:21
  [UNKNOWN]: You put him on a horse.
• 2:48:22
  [UNKNOWN]: The horse is the body.
• 2:48:25
  [UNKNOWN]: So, and then you could go into that even further and be like, oh, you know, how to rulers have so much power.
• 2:48:31
  [UNKNOWN]: They only have power because of, you know, who they rule over anyways.
• 2:48:35
  [UNKNOWN]: But this is, I mean, this, this actually might be one of the best examples of, uh, now I can't pull it up.
• 2:48:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, that's crazy.
• 2:48:43
  [UNKNOWN]: When I put it in the box and forgot.
• 2:48:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:48:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Anyways, but I, I, I, I, I, I, I, I just, my pennies are so pretty.
• 2:48:53
  [UNKNOWN]: I could just look at those all day.
• 2:48:54
  [UNKNOWN]: So we got Calerx here.
• 2:48:57
  [UNKNOWN]: This is, I don't know.
• 2:48:59
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's, I guess, look at the decks.
• 2:49:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I haven't even read any of the decks entries.
• 2:49:02
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to say what I'm thinking about, is that Calerx is based on the criteria that we've talked about.
• 2:49:10
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like he is as much of a flower.
• 2:49:12
  [UNKNOWN]: We're going to read the deck centuries.
• 2:49:13
  [UNKNOWN]: I'll confirm this.
• 2:49:14
  [UNKNOWN]: But to me, he feels like as much of a flower Pokemon as any of the other ones, except he's stoic and masculine and not girly pop.
• 2:49:21
  [UNKNOWN]: What do we think?
• 2:49:22
  [UNKNOWN]: That's actually true.
• 2:49:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's the kind of different thing is he does give more like masculine aesthetics.
• 2:49:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:49:30
  [UNKNOWN]: For a flower monster, specifically.
• 2:49:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:49:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Um, I'm really trying to, I'm really trying, I guess I'm not seeing in, I'm not seeing in the Dex entries and you mentioned a flower, but again, I feel way, it is a grass type.
• 2:49:45
  [UNKNOWN]: He is a grass.
• 2:49:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Oops.
• 2:49:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I need your opinion, hoops.
• 2:49:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:49:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I can see hoops.
• 2:49:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Please, please.
• 2:49:50
  [UNKNOWN]: The wheels are turning.
• 2:49:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I was just going to say that you guys are giving and specifically dusty is giving an excellent dietrib here, excellent TED talk as to why this is a flower Pokemon.
• 2:50:02
  [UNKNOWN]: But it's still F tier for me.
• 2:50:05
  [UNKNOWN]: No, because it is not is I do not look at this and think flower like one iota.
• 2:50:12
  [UNKNOWN]: I love and I love doing these this tier list with y'all the last one and this one because y'all are always at two different sides of like an extreme in the opinion and I'm just over here like I think it's cute.
• 2:50:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah Oh my god
• 2:50:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I just don't see, I mean, like, I see the bud, the bud is there, but bud doesn't necessarily say flower.
• 2:50:41
  [UNKNOWN]: And I definitely like just looking at the Pokemon, just like observing it, just normally not dissecting it.
• 2:50:50
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think flower at all.
• 2:50:52
  [UNKNOWN]: I may be think plant, maybe, but I mostly think like king and I think like rabbit creature.
• 2:51:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think flower at all.
• 2:51:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 2:51:03
  [UNKNOWN]: I have to say that because I never really thought of calories, I do give credit to what Liam is saying.
• 2:51:09
  [UNKNOWN]: I will say this is a flowerman and I do like that it's doing design tropes and motifs that don't necessarily scream queen or princess or girl.
• 2:51:18
  [UNKNOWN]: I think that that's a cool thing to see, but I will say I did not initially even list this in the flower-mon thing.
• 2:51:26
  [UNKNOWN]: Technically, it's still true, but I'm wondering, I guess Liam, where would you put this?
• 2:51:32
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think I would put a guy here.
• 2:51:34
  [UNKNOWN]: I would not put it enough here, and I'll be honest, listen, you guys, I wanted to put Laura Bowling in NST here.
• 2:51:42
  [UNKNOWN]: I think this is,
• 2:51:44
  [UNKNOWN]: You want to pick Halliorex and ask?
• 2:51:45
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I don't.
• 2:51:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I wanted to put Lorentz as an S tier.
• 2:51:48
  [UNKNOWN]: You guys wouldn't even hear me on on that.
• 2:51:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I would probably just put him in B if anything.
• 2:51:55
  [UNKNOWN]: Because again, but, but you're right.
• 2:51:59
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like what, what, what is looking at it?
• 2:52:01
  [UNKNOWN]: I, I just think it looks, it truly looks like you're holding.
• 2:52:04
  [UNKNOWN]: I wish he was in season right now, but I'm just like, it looks, you know what, let me grab one of these.
• 2:52:10
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I'm going to spill this.
• 2:52:15
  [UNKNOWN]: When you're holding the flower, that's Calerx.
• 2:52:17
  [UNKNOWN]: You're holding, he's got a stem, and he's just got a bulb.
• 2:52:22
  [UNKNOWN]: That's literally the silhouette of Calerx.
• 2:52:24
  [UNKNOWN]: That, that, that, that, that, it's truly is.
• 2:52:28
  [UNKNOWN]: So it, it is more, I don't even like Calerx that much.
• 2:52:33
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm saying all this and I made these discoveries and I paid attention to this so much because I made a really cool, new fake, you know, it's, I made it, it's not official, but like I made some cool new forms for a Calrex that I'm proud of and I like have come to appreciate Calrex a little bit more because of.
• 2:52:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, yeah, I don't think you screams flower.
• 2:52:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I just think he has some undertones and some design inspirations that are, uh, you know, based on a flower, um, and I guess just this is a little bit of trivia from from from Bulbapedia.
• 2:53:08
  [UNKNOWN]: It says Calerx may be a combination of Calix, which is Latin for bud and Rex, which is Latin for king.
• 2:53:15
  [UNKNOWN]: So I was like again.
• 2:53:17
  [UNKNOWN]: So the bud is there, but it's not a flower.
• 2:53:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I mean, maybe I don't have to talk to Audish the weed Pokemon That's fine.
• 2:53:33
  [UNKNOWN]: That's fine.
• 2:53:33
  [UNKNOWN]: It's not you're I just a bun.
• 2:53:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't want it in air higher.
• 2:53:36
  [UNKNOWN]: That's where I'm at you know I'm gonna put it in you see.
• 2:53:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna be fair.
• 2:53:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm gonna put in see.
• 2:53:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, would you accept it in see?
• 2:53:45
  [UNKNOWN]: Oops, uh, it's a bit of a reach for me.
• 2:53:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I got to put it in the, got to put it in.
• 2:53:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Cause like, I'm looking at the other sea.
• 2:53:53
  [UNKNOWN]: No, you are right.
• 2:53:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to put it in D now.
• 2:53:56
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, they all have definitive flowers.
• 2:53:58
  [UNKNOWN]: It's just a rise of all of the king.
• 2:54:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, that's the thing.
• 2:54:02
  [UNKNOWN]: No one believes it anymore.
• 2:54:03
  [UNKNOWN]: That's his whole thing.
• 2:54:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:54:05
  [UNKNOWN]: I convinced tubes.
• 2:54:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm like he's Santa Claus.
• 2:54:08
  [UNKNOWN]: He only has power when you believe in him.
• 2:54:11
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's true that we should do.
• 2:54:13
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay.
• 2:54:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Next tier list is the Santa Pokemon too.
• 2:54:16
  [UNKNOWN]: Honestly, there's a lot of them shame.
• 2:54:18
  [UNKNOWN]: There's there is a lot of them yeah.
• 2:54:21
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, all right.
• 2:54:23
  [UNKNOWN]: Well, that the nuts than that is that he goes to D tier.
• 2:54:26
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess.
• 2:54:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, now you need to forest creature.
• 2:54:30
  [UNKNOWN]: I want to hear your explanation on McGearn.
• 2:54:34
  [UNKNOWN]: easy.
• 2:54:35
  [UNKNOWN]: I'm going to show you the concept, aren't you going to be like, whoa, I'm going to say she's the coolest Liper ever in this category, because I like her a lot.
• 2:54:43
  [UNKNOWN]: That's why.
• 2:54:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's see.
• 2:54:44
  [UNKNOWN]: Let me, here we go.
• 2:54:45
  [UNKNOWN]: We got McGear now right here.
• 2:54:48
  [UNKNOWN]: This is all the, I mean, there's a lot of pictures.
• 2:54:50
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, here, let me, let me go to what, what generation is she even in?
• 2:54:54
  [UNKNOWN]: Is she Jen seven seven?
• 2:54:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Yes.
• 2:54:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, because I feel like she matches fun fact.
• 2:55:01
  [UNKNOWN]: She was the first
• 2:55:05
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's why I think it's Gen 6.
• 2:55:08
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, McGeearno, the artificial Pokemon.
• 2:55:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's see.
• 2:55:13
  [UNKNOWN]: We got...
• 2:55:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it also, it, okay.
• 2:55:18
  [UNKNOWN]: Also, it's, I think I also was thinking about this because in its mega form, you can see the, it has a flower hand.
• 2:55:25
  [UNKNOWN]: It's got the flower cannon, right?
• 2:55:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, but let's go over to its original concept art.
• 2:55:32
  [UNKNOWN]: And you can see that it literally, the thing about it.
• 2:55:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, yeah.
• 2:55:39
  [UNKNOWN]: It's artificial Pokemon.
• 2:55:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
• 2:55:41
  [UNKNOWN]: Don't get me wrong.
• 2:55:41
  [UNKNOWN]: This is a girly pop queen.
• 2:55:43
  [UNKNOWN]: Like, if we were having that conversation that's different, these are plastic plants.
• 2:55:47
  [UNKNOWN]: No.
• 2:55:48
  [UNKNOWN]: They have to be.
• 2:55:49
  [UNKNOWN]: She's the artificial.
• 2:55:50
  [UNKNOWN]: She's artificial.
• 2:55:51
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 2:55:51
  [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
• 2:55:52
  [UNKNOWN]: That's very, very true.
• 2:55:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess I thought I would.
• 2:55:55
  [UNKNOWN]: No, but look at the cute.
• 2:55:56
  [UNKNOWN]: This is like, um, this is like Eva from Wally.
• 2:55:59
  [UNKNOWN]: That's true.
• 2:56:00
  [UNKNOWN]: I think she has.
• 2:56:01
  [UNKNOWN]: She's got like one little flower.
• 2:56:03
  [UNKNOWN]: This is how I feel when I like stay inside too long in a week.
• 2:56:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And I don't go outside.
• 2:56:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 2:56:08
  [UNKNOWN]: What is life?
• 2:56:09
  [UNKNOWN]: A bird chirped.
• 2:56:11
  [UNKNOWN]: I like how it has the wire frame.
• 2:56:14
  [UNKNOWN]: Like dress.
• 2:56:15
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, right there.
• 2:56:17
  [UNKNOWN]: I will give you a little bit of credit though because there are multiple instances of flower imagery in this concept art.
• 2:56:24
  [UNKNOWN]: So yeah, it's not devoid like calices.
• 2:56:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, it's even cool.
• 2:56:30
  [UNKNOWN]: This even happens in Z.A.
• 2:56:31
  [UNKNOWN]: I did not know that that was a thing.
• 2:56:33
  [UNKNOWN]: That's one of my gear in his hidden features a bouquet of flowers and it's right arm.
• 2:56:38
  [UNKNOWN]: But you're right at this plastic, you can see it.
• 2:56:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I do think that she still needs to be in this conversation because that is a main draw for her fans.
• 2:56:46
  [UNKNOWN]: I love McGeerner because of the flowers stuff.
• 2:56:49
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't really battle with her much, but any time that she's available in a game, I want to get her.
• 2:56:52
  [UNKNOWN]: And I'm always waiting for her to show me the flowers.
• 2:56:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
• 2:56:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I love it.
• 2:56:56
  [UNKNOWN]: I love the flowers.
• 2:56:58
  [UNKNOWN]: OK, I need to get this thing.
• 2:57:00
  [UNKNOWN]: And you have a major argument, Dusty.
• 2:57:04
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, that's here.
• 2:57:05
  [UNKNOWN]: There are a lot.
• 2:57:06
  [UNKNOWN]: We get it.
• 2:57:06
  [UNKNOWN]: And listen, I don't have all this written down right now, but I feel like I also want to, I should be called, should we call Toby right now?
• 2:57:14
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like there's a connection between McGurna and Callos lore and the ultimate weapon.
• 2:57:20
  [UNKNOWN]: And I feel like there's connections there in the same way that obviously, you know, what do you call it?
• 2:57:28
  [UNKNOWN]: Legenza.
• 2:57:30
  [UNKNOWN]: Legenza.
• 2:57:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Legenza.
• 2:57:32
  [UNKNOWN]: Legenza.
• 2:57:33
  [UNKNOWN]: Legenza sounds like the name of a woman that I would meet it.
• 2:57:39
  [UNKNOWN]: Sounds like the name of a woman that I would meet at like Waffle House and like Georgia.
• 2:57:43
  [UNKNOWN]: That's exactly why I like it.
• 2:57:45
  [UNKNOWN]: It's like a Genza.
• 2:57:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Hey, legends.
• 2:57:49
  [UNKNOWN]: Let's go get some, let's go get some waffles.
• 2:57:52
  [UNKNOWN]: The waffles are so good.
• 2:57:53
  [UNKNOWN]: My wife's always asking for waffles, and I'm like, I don't have any, I can make you pancakes on a whim.
• 2:57:58
  [UNKNOWN]: I can't make, I can't make waffles.
• 2:58:00
  [UNKNOWN]: What's your tier list of waffles, pancakes, and French toast?
• 2:58:05
  [UNKNOWN]: French toast, asks here.
• 2:58:06
  [UNKNOWN]: I think French toast is a tier.
• 2:58:07
  [UNKNOWN]: Waffles, please, here.
• 2:58:10
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh.
• 2:58:11
  [UNKNOWN]: no i think i think it's french toast waffles pancakes that's why i'm at pancakes i'm gonna listen really good and listen really really good but i feel like there's usually like two for the hit and power me and greet and with me and special guest yeah sure well well i'll meet at a place specifically for french toast yeah that's what we that's where we can agree for real yeah man there's there's got to be some connection here
• 2:58:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Oh, I was going to say it's going to it's going to an artificial soul.
• 2:58:39
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know.
• 2:58:40
  [UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
• 2:58:40
  [UNKNOWN]: I guess I have to do with flowers on the note about the lore.
• 2:58:46
  [UNKNOWN]: Like you're in it.
• 2:58:47
  [UNKNOWN]: It's kind of like an enigma because it very much seems like it was like
• 2:58:53
  [UNKNOWN]: Maybe just meant for Gen 6 instead of Gen 7.
• 2:58:58
  [UNKNOWN]: That's what I'm saying is it's got the European aesthetic It's got like even some French aesthetic like it lit and now that we've got legends EA
• 2:59:09
  [UNKNOWN]: It's even got the mega in this game, so like there's a clear French connection and it was it was the like I said It was the first Gen 7 Pokemon revealed so it was revealed within the timeframe of Gen 6 even so it almost feels like it was like Like they were gonna put it in Gen 6, but then they held it for Gen 7.
• 2:59:31
  [UNKNOWN]: No, I think this is all good I might my little pet theories always been that like mythical Pokemon are
• 2:59:36
  [UNKNOWN]: always alien or foreign to whatever region that they're introduced in.
• 2:59:42
  [UNKNOWN]: And so I think McGearna, if it's a generation seven mythical, it's from Callos.
• 2:59:46
  [UNKNOWN]: That's why it's mythical.
• 2:59:48
  [UNKNOWN]: The mythical Pokemon are mythical and the rare because you can't get them in that game.
• 2:59:52
  [UNKNOWN]: You can't get them in that region easily, right?
• 2:59:54
  [UNKNOWN]: But that's my theory.
• 2:59:56
  [UNKNOWN]: To me, the reason why this is so interesting is because it's got Gen six vibes all throughout it, even though it's
• 3:00:06
  [UNKNOWN]: It also actually looks like it could be connected somehow to the island guardians in Gen 7 as well.
• 3:00:16
  [UNKNOWN]: But even though it's not one of those because like, no, there are theories about that.
• 3:00:21
  [UNKNOWN]: It's a very type.
• 3:00:23
  [UNKNOWN]: It does the thing where it contains itself in a shell.
• 3:00:28
  [UNKNOWN]: It represents one of the islands, the artificial island, either paradise.
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  [UNKNOWN]: So like,
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  [UNKNOWN]: It's got things about it that tie it to Gen 7 and Gen 6, even though neither of those things are actually canon.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Which is ironic because it's got a canon.
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  [UNKNOWN]: So, no.
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  [UNKNOWN]: It's got the flower canon.
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  [UNKNOWN]: So, it's like, it's a very like mysterious Pokemon.
• 3:00:54
  [UNKNOWN]: I do like that.
• 3:00:55
  [UNKNOWN]: I do think McGearnet, like as a mythical, is one of the mythicals that still feels mythical.
• 3:00:59
  [UNKNOWN]: I feel like the format, it's often hard for all the mythicals to land the same way like the original like three generations of them did, but she does have that enigmatic, untouchable mythos type of feel to it.
• 3:01:12
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, and I often I always have this theory that sometimes mythical are designed first and then built out as a narrative later and if they can't figure out like where to place them and either movie or spin off or something they'll just make them like a collectible and she very much feels like that like every time she but she has the lore like there's there's stuff there there hit the literal history she's 500 years ago
• 3:01:35
  [UNKNOWN]: But like the way that she stands in like the mainline games is like it's very hard to find like a very easy to Yeah, round connection with her, but she's still very enigmatic and interesting and she has a flower.
• 3:01:47
  [UNKNOWN]: Okay, which is why we're talking about her to my god she's she's honestly so good I think the last thing I wanted to say for why she would be a flower is that she has four different
• 3:01:59
  [UNKNOWN]: colors or forms when you account for the shinies.
• 3:02:02
  [UNKNOWN]: She's got two base forms and then when they're shiny, they are so different.
• 3:02:06
  [UNKNOWN]: They're all so different.
• 3:02:07
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's like silver.
• 3:02:08
  [UNKNOWN]: I see.
• 3:02:08
  [UNKNOWN]: Base color gold and then you get like the red one, the polka ball pattern.
• 3:02:13
  [UNKNOWN]: And that's something that we also see with florida's having the four or five different color forms.
• 3:02:18
  [UNKNOWN]: So that's that's my pitch.
• 3:02:23
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't think the sheet here, I don't think see I think for a flower I would say okay, that's about it.
• 3:02:29
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, I think she's more of a
• 3:02:33
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, because he she she deserves to be on the list, but she's she's not authentically a flower which is quite under the role because she's cool enough that we're not going to like outright be like She can't she can hang out is okay.
• 3:02:48
  [UNKNOWN]: Is there anything that we missed is there anything that you can think of whoops, uh, fun that we missed in terms of flower because there's there's definitely some pink like I like bound sweet feels like it should be on the list, but Serena
• 3:03:00
  [UNKNOWN]: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no
• 3:03:28
  [UNKNOWN]: So she go to CT for crown.
• 3:03:29
  [UNKNOWN]: We really are sitting here as the three fans and researchers breaking ground that's broken before, so we have to start somewhere.
• 3:03:37
  [UNKNOWN]: How about this Loody Colo, he's kind of has a crown too.
• 3:03:41
  [UNKNOWN]: That's is that a pineapple now we're just looking at now.
• 3:03:44
  [UNKNOWN]: We're just looking at at vegetable crowns I don't see that as the best No, but I don't know we'd have to look into the lore.
• 3:03:53
  [UNKNOWN]: We'd have to figure it out I'm asking the listeners the quote the these are the questions these are the questions the hard hitting questions that we're getting yeah the bottom of Guys let us know in the comments if you
• 3:04:04
  [UNKNOWN]: think we missed any of the flowers any of the any flower Pokemon let us know do you disagree do you agree with anything here on our list check out funds channel if you're from hidden power and subscribe if you're from funds channel i think uh to be honest this was like even more fun than our last tier list from a couple months ago i think uh i think we're gonna have to do this
• 3:04:31
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, bring me back for anything that's like flowers, makeup, all the, I think I have a, I don't know why, but I can rant about it in the Pokédex and you're so good in this.
• 3:04:41
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's really fun to talk to y'all because y'all also have different perspectives that are also very dense and like y'all have a passage about the franchise too.
• 3:04:48
  [UNKNOWN]: I think it's like, it's silly, but it's fun.
• 3:04:50
  [UNKNOWN]: This is what it is, man.
• 3:04:51
  [UNKNOWN]: I love Pokemon.
• 3:04:52
  [UNKNOWN]: Like everything about it, we could talk about it for hours.
• 3:04:56
  [UNKNOWN]: So thank you for being here, man.
• 3:04:57
  [UNKNOWN]: Appreciate it.
• 3:05:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah.
• 3:05:00
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you guys.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Subscribe.
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• 3:05:12
  [UNKNOWN]: You can get it at the discord and I think possibly there might be a part of this conversation that will be out for members only because recording right now we're over three hours.
• 3:05:22
  [UNKNOWN]: I told you I thought I'm going to talk.
• 3:05:25
  [UNKNOWN]: I don't know how well I just final episode will be a small flower tier list.
• 3:05:30
  [UNKNOWN]: We right for three hours.
• 3:05:32
  [UNKNOWN]: That's crazy.
• 3:05:32
  [UNKNOWN]: In saying this.
• 3:05:34
  [UNKNOWN]: Yeah, this was supposed to be like 60 Pokemon.
• 3:05:36
  [UNKNOWN]: Thank you, Father.
• 3:05:37
  [UNKNOWN]: Shortening this list.
• 3:05:39
  [UNKNOWN]: All right, guys.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Have a great day.
• 3:05:42
  [UNKNOWN]: Go check out our Mondays bonus pod.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Bye.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Bye.
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  [UNKNOWN]: Bye.