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Basketball Pace & Space Film Session · A Quick Timeout

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  Coach Jimmy Allen is in his second season as the head men's
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  basketball coach at
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  SPEAKER_01: Emory & Henry University Division II school in Emory,
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  SPEAKER_01: Virginia.
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  SPEAKER_01: Previously, he served at schools like Army West Point and Wofford.
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  SPEAKER_01: Excited to have him on the show today.
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  SPEAKER_01: Coach, welcome.
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  SPEAKER_00: Thanks.
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  SPEAKER_00: I appreciate you having me.
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  SPEAKER_00: Excited to get to talk a little basketball with you.
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  SPEAKER_01: Coach and I have been connected through mutual friends for a while now,
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  SPEAKER_01: and so this is the first time we've actually been able to talk.
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm excited about this.
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  SPEAKER_01: We're going to talk some offense today,
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  SPEAKER_01: and for a little bit of background,
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  SPEAKER_01: Coach,
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  SPEAKER_01: why don't you go ahead and maybe share some of the coaches,
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  SPEAKER_01: guys who have influenced your philosophy,
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  because I think that will kind of help put things in context
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  for my listeners.
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  SPEAKER_00: Sure.
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  If you want to go ahead and share any specifics from the
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  philosophy that you think
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  SPEAKER_01: might help kind of lay the groundwork for the rest of the conversation.
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  Yeah,
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  you know,
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  I mean,
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  I've been really fortunate to,
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  I played for some very good coaches.
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  SPEAKER_00: My high school coach in Roanoke, Billy Pope, is still coaching.
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  SPEAKER_00: He's one of the best coaches in the state of Virginia,
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  SPEAKER_00: probably in the history of high school basketball.
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  And then came here to Emory & Henry when Emory was Division III
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  and played for Bob
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  SPEAKER_00: Johnson,
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  SPEAKER_00: who's a legendary coach,
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  SPEAKER_00: certainly,
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  SPEAKER_00: in this area.
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  SPEAKER_00: But in the Division III world, he was here for 30 years.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was fortunate to play on some really good teams.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when I was here, we played pretty fast.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was similar to this.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, we didn't run a lot of plays.
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  SPEAKER_00: We played motion at the time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And there were some variations of that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But it was a lot of free flow, having to read things as a player.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then when I left here, I got to go to the Naval Academy.
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  SPEAKER_00: I was an assistant for coach Johnson first.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I, then I went to the Naval Academy as an assistant.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was different that I played for,
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  SPEAKER_00: worked for a guy,
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  SPEAKER_00: coach DeVoe,
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  SPEAKER_00: Don DeVoe,
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  SPEAKER_00: won over 500 games.
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  SPEAKER_00: And he was pretty defensive oriented and the offense was,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: it was a lot slower and it was all about the defense.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I really thought that helped me on that side of the ball.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then after that,
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  SPEAKER_00: Worked for Mike Young at Wofford.
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  SPEAKER_00: Got to be a head coach myself at Averitt University in 2004.
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  SPEAKER_00: And that was the first time I kind of got to,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: run my own program and play my own style.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again, we played fast.
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  And at that time,
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  I was really intrigued with the way Davidson was playing in
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  transition.
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  And Duggar Bauckham was the coach at Tuscaloom,
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  but he had worked for Coach McKillop.
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  SPEAKER_00: He was a good friend of mine.
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  Spent a lot of time with him,
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  learning kind of the ins and outs and intricacies of,
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  of the the Davidson break and so we'd always played that and
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  was there for six
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  years had some success got an opportunity to go to Army West
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  Point with Zach Spiker
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  I had grown up there my dad was a West Point grad and we ran
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  the break the Davidson
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  break as part of what we did which was pretty unique because we
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  then flowed into a
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  lot of the Princeton actions when Zach had been at Cornell with
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  Steve Donahue and
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  And that was pretty interesting because we kind of flowed
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  between the two unique
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  SPEAKER_00: styles and had a lot of success with that.
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  Zach got the job at Drexel and I got to be the head coach and
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  kind of continued.
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  SPEAKER_00: We tweaked some things and experimented with some things in transition,
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  but we're always all about playing fast and trying to steal
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  some baskets in
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  SPEAKER_00: transition,
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  SPEAKER_00: put pressure on other people in transition.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then I was really fortunate in my last year
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  SPEAKER_00: I was able to hire Doug Novak.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I know you know Doug, a lot of people do.
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  If you follow any kind of basketball stuff,
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  you see Doug's imprint on tons of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: So getting to spend a year with Doug was really eye-opening for me.
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  SPEAKER_00: As I said,
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  SPEAKER_00: I've been around a lot of good coaches,
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  SPEAKER_00: but he really was able to bring a lot of things.
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  together for me and kind of clarify some some of the things
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  that you know we ran a
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  lot of similar things we'd been you know good friends but we
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  ran his offense and
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  that's kind of what I've been doing ever since and and it's
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  pretty exciting and you
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  know unique and I think blends the the pace that that I like
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  but also some flow in
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  in the half court and you know the skill development piece as
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  well makes a lot of
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  SPEAKER_00: sense to me so
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, that's kind of how I got here.
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  SPEAKER_01: For someone who has coached the amount of time that you have,
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  SPEAKER_01: was it kind of rejuvenating for you to,
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  SPEAKER_01: like you said,
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  this is ideas of it have been around some sort of motion have
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  been around for
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  SPEAKER_01: decades.
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  SPEAKER_01: It's not anything brand new.
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  SPEAKER_01: but I even felt in my younger career, like it gave me like a new spark.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that's a great way of putting it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's, it's definitely made me think about the game differently.
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  And for me,
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  it's been great,
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  you know,
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  because it's really clarified some stuff.
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  And the thing that,
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  you know,
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  is hard now is there's,
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  there's so much information.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: every time you click on your phone,
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  you might be looking for something and then you see somebody's
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  put up a play and
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  SPEAKER_00: then you watch that and then you want to write that down.
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  SPEAKER_00: And,
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  but ultimately the way that i think this is all kind of put
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  together the thing that
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  i love about it is is all of your skill development kind of
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  comes out of what you
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  do offensively you're teaching players how to play in space
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  you're teaching players
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  how to take advantage of matchups and the other thing is
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  there's a destination for
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  everything on the court and and that was really eye-opening for
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  me i think
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  SPEAKER_00: Before that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  my thought of playing was just kind of you're playing in the
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  half court or the full
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  SPEAKER_00: court.
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  But there's a destination and,
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  you know,
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  really attacking the rim and then playing out of that.
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  And how does that create closeouts,
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  you know,
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  different things that you can do offensively.
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  SPEAKER_01: So for those that are just listening to this,
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  I'm pulling up right now a presentation that Coach was gracious
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  enough to share,
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  SPEAKER_01: and we're going to talk through this as well as some film.
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  SPEAKER_01: So if you're only listening,
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  SPEAKER_01: I'm going to be sure to link down in the description,
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  SPEAKER_01: the YouTube video,
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  SPEAKER_01: so you can go check that out.
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  SPEAKER_01: Coach, you lead me through this.
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  I'll scroll to wherever you want,
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  and we'll go at whatever pace you have for us.
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  SPEAKER_00: OK, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So the the first page there, it's really about, you know, helping guys.
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  And,
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  you know,
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  we talk about this in recruiting all the time is how can we
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  help you get better?
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  SPEAKER_00: How can we help you develop your skills?
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  and players want to they want to get better and they want
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  certainly to have some
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  SPEAKER_00: freedom.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think we we provide both of those things in what we do offensively.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then how do you create space for players?
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  And then obviously help them grow and learn how to play out of
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  that space.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: I think all these things for me,
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  SPEAKER_00: especially when I was at West Point,
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  SPEAKER_00: really hit home because,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the recruiting was so unique and the time that we had was so limited.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so, you know, I know that's the case for a lot of people.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: you struggle with gym time,
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  SPEAKER_00: high school,
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  SPEAKER_00: you struggle with a lot of things,
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  SPEAKER_00: time constraints,
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  SPEAKER_00: things like that.
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  So are you getting the most out of the amount of time that you
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  have for practice?
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think this really helps because,
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  SPEAKER_00: again,
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  SPEAKER_00: like I said,
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  SPEAKER_00: everything we do comes out of what we're doing offensively.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we, you know, we build the skill development into that stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: But then the other piece,
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  SPEAKER_00: there's very few programs that are able to really,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: you have an idea of the kind of player that you want,
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  SPEAKER_00: but you can't always get the player that you want.
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  SPEAKER_00: And does the system have some flexibility to,
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  SPEAKER_00: for different kinds of players.
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  SPEAKER_00: And at West Point,
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  SPEAKER_00: again,
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  SPEAKER_00: we wanted to get a certain kind of player,
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  SPEAKER_00: but at the same time,
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  we weren't gonna pass on a really good player that may be
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  really elite in one area,
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  SPEAKER_00: but a little bit deficient in another.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so how can you fit them into your system?
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  SPEAKER_00: have them have success and obviously ultimately your team have success.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the other thing is just creating an idea that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: good offenses,
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  SPEAKER_00: if the ball is going to stick and the ball doesn't move,
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  SPEAKER_00: you're not going to be very good.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so creating that identity that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we're all trying to get the best shot and,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the best shot for our team.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we've got to be able to share the ball and move the ball.
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  SPEAKER_00: And this has got to be a synergistic, is that a word synergistic thing?
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  SPEAKER_00: It also starts with all the footwork stuff.
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to start with how we catch the ball.
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  We're going to start with freezing the ball in our shot or
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  stopping our shot,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is essentially a shot fake on every catch.
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  SPEAKER_00: Our footwork, what pivot foot we're using.
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  how we're passing it,
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  how we want to pass the basketball,
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  those kinds of things.
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  And we're going to spend a lot of time on that,
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  how we stop being able to play really fast.
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  SPEAKER_00: But also when you do that, can you stop with a stride stop?
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  SPEAKER_00: Can you stop on balance and not be knocked over?
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  SPEAKER_00: We're going to help develop that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think probably the
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  Another eye-opening thing is not a lot of people spend time on
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  that anymore.
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  SPEAKER_00: When I came to college,
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: we probably did 20 to 30 minutes of fundamental passing,
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  SPEAKER_00: catching,
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  SPEAKER_00: footwork,
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  SPEAKER_00: pivoting.
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  SPEAKER_00: And now if you go watch a workout,
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  you're going to see guys dribbling through cones and doing all
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  kinds of stuff with
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  SPEAKER_00: the ball that I don't know that all of it really translates.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think what we're doing definitely translates.
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  How much time do you have before your first game and how does
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  that impact what you
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  do both in a team setting and then also in like individual
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  workouts and connected
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  SPEAKER_01: to all of this?
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  You know,
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  it's been interesting because of the places that I've been the
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  last few years.
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  At the Division I level at Army,
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  we didn't have as much time in the summer.
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  SPEAKER_00: We barely got our guys in the summer.
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  The year at New Hampshire,
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  when I was with Nathan Davis,
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  we got our guys for six weeks.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it was like,
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  SPEAKER_00: oh,
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  SPEAKER_00: my gosh,
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  SPEAKER_00: like the stuff that we were able to get done in the summer,
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  SPEAKER_00: I'd never been able to really do before.
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  And then came back to Division two and you don't really have
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  any time in the summer
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  SPEAKER_00: with your guys,
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  SPEAKER_00: but you do as soon as school starts.
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  SPEAKER_00: So, you know, we get the four hours a week on the court.
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  You know,
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  you get a you get a good two months,
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  two and a half months of work.
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  SPEAKER_00: Full disclaimer, a lot of this stuff is Doug's stuff.
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  His term for the finishing stuff is finishing school and
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  teaching guys how to score
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  SPEAKER_00: the basketball after you create space for them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I think that's something else that really helped me up to that point.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I see this a lot with coaches.
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  SPEAKER_00: You do spend time.
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  I think coaches do spend time on finishing,
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  but a lot of times it's mix up your finishes.
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  SPEAKER_00: And it's...
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  SPEAKER_00: And I don't know that that's great,
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  SPEAKER_00: honestly,
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  SPEAKER_00: telling them specifically what you want,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: giving them a menu of things.
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  SPEAKER_00: They're going to get good.
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  SPEAKER_00: There's going to be a few of those moves that they're comfortable with,
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  SPEAKER_00: but allowing them to learn a bunch of those moves.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then you can, you know, get better at certain things.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can spend more time on certain moves.
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  SPEAKER_00: But that for me was important.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I thought really helped me as a coach,
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  SPEAKER_00: because,
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  SPEAKER_00: again,
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  SPEAKER_00: a lot of times it's,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: hey,
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  SPEAKER_00: mix up your finishes or,
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  SPEAKER_00: you
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  SPEAKER_00: You know,
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  SPEAKER_00: you try a couple of different things,
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  SPEAKER_00: but there wasn't,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: it wasn't all really tied together like this.
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  SPEAKER_01: Do you do any kind of daily vitamins or anything like that?
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I would like to,
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  SPEAKER_00: at this level,
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  SPEAKER_00: once we are able to start official practice,
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  SPEAKER_00: we'll try and get our guys in for a couple of,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  20 to 30 minute workouts a week outside of practice when they
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  don't have class.
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  SPEAKER_00: So I do think that's,
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  SPEAKER_00: we're,
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  SPEAKER_00: we're limited with the number of assistants when,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: when you're,
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  SPEAKER_00: when you're at division one,
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  SPEAKER_00: you've got five or six guys and they're coaches,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: and,
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  SPEAKER_00: and you can have a guy at a basket right now.
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  SPEAKER_00: We've got,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: myself,
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  a full-time assistant and then a volunteer assistant who are
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  both very good,
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  SPEAKER_00: but you're trying to coach 18 guys in practice.
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  SPEAKER_00: You can't,
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  SPEAKER_00: you can't spend the specific amount of time with them,
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  which is why I like getting those guys in for some individual
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  workouts and you can
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  SPEAKER_00: really break it down once we're,
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  SPEAKER_00: once we're able to start practice.
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  SPEAKER_00: But right now, all of that stuff is kind of built into what we're doing.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we're always going to do some kind of passing drill.
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  We're always going to incorporate our finishes into some part
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  of what we're
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  SPEAKER_00: breaking down offensively and then certainly shooting as much as we can.
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  SPEAKER_01: So the next key part of this is the spacing component.
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  SPEAKER_01: Best ways that you've found to teach,
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  SPEAKER_01: play with pace and space,
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  SPEAKER_01: and then like is up on the screen,
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  some things that you communicate to them and help them
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  understand in regards to
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  SPEAKER_01: what's going to hurt our spacing.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
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  SPEAKER_00: So we do put the X's down on the floor.
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  And there's a couple of slides later where we can talk a little
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  bit about that.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the one thing that,
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  SPEAKER_00: and you hear this a lot,
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  SPEAKER_00: people put down a four point line,
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  SPEAKER_00: which I think makes sense,
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  SPEAKER_00: certainly.
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  SPEAKER_00: For us, we just put our top X's down.
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  SPEAKER_00: Like our slot X's are up by the volleyball line on a court.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, most courts, you know, have a volleyball line.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's way higher than I ever really thought about.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  most of us end up playing around the three point line because
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  that it's there,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: and that's a mark on the floor.
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  And so if you don't put marks on the floor,
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  that's kind of what guys gravitate to.
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  SPEAKER_00: So.
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  SPEAKER_00: The X's are up high.
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  SPEAKER_00: The other X's are in the corners.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's a four out spacing a lot of times.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that I think helps.
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  I do think guys need to see specifically on the court where you
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  want them.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then we talk about the things that really hurt that spacing.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again, not running the floor, not getting to those X's in the corner.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean, when you start your offense with guys up, your spacing is bad.
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  SPEAKER_00: We do talk a lot about how we want to pass the ball.
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  SPEAKER_00: Obviously, everybody wants to throw strikes.
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  SPEAKER_00: You want to throw it to a guy's shooting pocket.
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  SPEAKER_00: But what we try to talk about,
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  SPEAKER_00: and again,
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  SPEAKER_00: this was something that Doug really helped me with,
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  was the pace that you pass the ball to a guy and emphasizing
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  how hard you need to
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  SPEAKER_00: really throw the ball.
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  SPEAKER_00: And again,
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  if you don't practice it specifically and you don't emphasize
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  it in each of your
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  SPEAKER_00: passing drills,
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  SPEAKER_00: You can talk about it as a coach, but it doesn't really happen.
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  SPEAKER_00: And I know I was guilty of that for a really long time.
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  And then the other thing we talk about with our guys is how
• 14:35
  much do you care about
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  SPEAKER_00: your teammate?
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you throw a bad pass to your teammate,
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  SPEAKER_00: what does that say about the way you feel about your teammate,
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  SPEAKER_00: right?
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  SPEAKER_00: Like, you know, every kid's going to be like, oh, man, that's my boy.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's my, you know, that's my brother.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then you throw him a bad pass.
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  SPEAKER_00: Well, you don't care about him.
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  SPEAKER_00: If you're throwing them,
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  you don't care about them enough to get the ball there quickly
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  and on time.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so I think that's something that I think resonates with guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
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  SPEAKER_00: certainly guys are going to throw bad passes,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I think that's important in talking about.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then the other thing is asking yourself, what does my teammate need?
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  when when he's playing in space does he need does he need more
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  space which means
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  stay away or does he need help and don't run to the ball and
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  that's you know that's
• 15:23
  something that you fight as a coach a lot with specific guys
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  sometimes they just
• 15:30
  they've always run to the ball they've always gravitated to the
• 15:33
  ball especially
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  guys when you get them in college that have been the best
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  players on their high
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  school team it's just natural they're always coming to the
• 15:40
  basketball and so
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  trying to keep them away when they don't have the basketball,
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  I think is important.
• 15:46
  The player's understanding and the execution of having a
• 15:51
  free-flowing offense,
• 15:53
  SPEAKER_01: that's usually one of the keys to the offense,
• 15:55
  SPEAKER_01: but it's also one of the harder things for them to grasp,
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  SPEAKER_01: I think,
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  SPEAKER_01: especially if they've never been in something like that.
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  How do you help them understand that concept and then actually
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  create an offense
• 16:05
  that does look free-flowing rather than this just disjointed
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  grouping of actions?
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  Well,
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  you got to be comfortable with the with the disjointed part for
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  a while.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's the thing that it's going to be ugly when you first start,
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  SPEAKER_00: especially,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  we're going to we're going to break stuff down where it's it's
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  one on two on or
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  SPEAKER_00: three on something like that.
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  SPEAKER_00: And we're going to work on it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then we're going to come back and we're going to test it one on one,
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  SPEAKER_00: two on two,
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  SPEAKER_00: three on three,
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  SPEAKER_00: whatever it is.
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  SPEAKER_00: And as soon as there's live play,
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  SPEAKER_00: it's going to be ugly,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: and you got to be,
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  SPEAKER_00: you got to be comfortable with the messy part.
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  And,
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  and that's where the,
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  the,
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  the learning comes and getting guys to understand that too.
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  SPEAKER_00: You know, nobody wants to play that way, but it's not set.
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  SPEAKER_00: It's not A to B to C. There's flow.
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  And so that's how you got to teach it and teaching them to
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  recognize what an
• 17:00
  SPEAKER_00: advantage is,
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  SPEAKER_00: obviously.
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  SPEAKER_00: But the other thing is they all want to catch and dribble.
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  SPEAKER_00: And when you do that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you can't see,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: the catch and freezing your shot with your head up.
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  allows so many things one it forces the the guy that's guarding
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  you to not only
• 17:17
  guard you know laterally but also vertically and i think that's
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  something that
• 17:22
  that's really important is is understanding that you know when
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  you catch with your
• 17:26
  head down you can't see and you're not putting your you're not
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  putting as much
• 17:30
  pressure on that defender he only has to guard the drive and
• 17:32
  you're also not seeing
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  SPEAKER_00: where the space is so the catch is really really important
• 17:38
  SPEAKER_00: stopping your shot all the time.
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  And so I would say that's the thing that we probably fight or
• 17:45
  emphasize as much as
• 17:46
  SPEAKER_00: anything in terms of the overall way that things flow.
• 17:51
  SPEAKER_01: So the decision making and the vision that are so important for this,
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  that's sometimes the secret sauce that I found is coaches and
• 17:59
  the thing that they
• 17:59
  SPEAKER_01: asked most about,
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  like how do I really help or accelerate the learning and the
• 18:04
  decision making?
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  SPEAKER_01: How have you found that
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  SPEAKER_01: You can help them in understanding when to make the pass,
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  SPEAKER_01: when to take the shot,
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  SPEAKER_01: all of the decisions that go into it.
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  SPEAKER_01: But then also kind of the aspect that,
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  SPEAKER_01: you know,
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  tied to that is the recognizing of an advantage when I have a
• 18:21
  disadvantage,
• 18:22
  SPEAKER_01: how that impacts my shot selection,
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  and then just exploiting the opportunities and capitalizing on
• 18:28
  those things.
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  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
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  I think the breakdown part and teaching the skill and then
• 18:34
  small sided games where
• 18:36
  SPEAKER_00: there's advantage,
• 18:37
  SPEAKER_00: disadvantage,
• 18:38
  SPEAKER_00: I think is huge.
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  SPEAKER_00: And then putting constraints on them in a drill like you've got to,
• 18:43
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: we put an X above the
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  SPEAKER_00: the charge circle, that's home base.
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  If the ball doesn't get to home base,
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  you can't,
• 18:49
  can't shoot at that possession.
• 18:51
  SPEAKER_00: You know, what exactly are you looking for?
• 18:53
  SPEAKER_00: And so,
• 18:54
  SPEAKER_00: so the,
• 18:55
  the things that are important and I was just reading Doug
• 18:58
  Lamov's book coach's
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  SPEAKER_00: guide to teaching again.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the thing that's interesting is,
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  SPEAKER_00: and I know the idea of,
• 19:06
  SPEAKER_00: of like play is the best teacher,
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  SPEAKER_00: but I think the interesting part is if you don't have the skill to,
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  SPEAKER_00: you can't make the decisions.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so if you don't spend time on the skills initially,
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  then you're putting them in play and they're not able to make
• 19:22
  decisions yet because
• 19:23
  SPEAKER_00: they don't know what they're doing.
• 19:24
  SPEAKER_00: And so the skill buildup allows them more time to make decisions.
• 19:28
  SPEAKER_00: So you definitely have to spend time on the skill piece.
• 19:31
  SPEAKER_00: Then put them in small sided games,
• 19:33
  SPEAKER_00: put them in situations where they're going to touch the ball a lot,
• 19:36
  where you're dictating either where the advantage is going to
• 19:40
  come from that helps
• 19:41
  SPEAKER_00: them make the reads.
• 19:42
  SPEAKER_00: And then what are some of the constraints that you want that,
• 19:45
  SPEAKER_00: again,
• 19:46
  SPEAKER_00: are going to help them and force them to make the reads that you want?
• 19:49
  with the stops and the pivots uh that that's huge is balance
• 19:54
  and a lot of times
• 19:55
  with that stride stop they stop and their feet are you know in
• 19:59
  a line and getting
• 20:01
  their feet and their body back to where they're balanced and
• 20:04
  they can throw a pass
• 20:05
  and landing in a position where you're going to have somebody
• 20:09
  pushing on you and so
• 20:10
  SPEAKER_00: you have to be balanced all the time and I think
• 20:14
  That's where I was always impressed with with Doug watching
• 20:17
  film with him all the
• 20:17
  time was he was always noticing that and always coaching
• 20:21
  balance all the time.
• 20:22
  SPEAKER_00: And I thought that was that was huge.
• 20:25
  SPEAKER_00: You know, the core the core principles for us and in
• 20:29
  SPEAKER_00: I've been really lucky to work with great,
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: great coaches,
• 20:32
  SPEAKER_00: have played with great coaches,
• 20:33
  SPEAKER_00: and I've had some assistants that are terrific.
• 20:37
  SPEAKER_00: And Zach Bovere was an assistant.
• 20:40
  SPEAKER_00: He's at St.
• 20:41
  SPEAKER_00: Louis.
• 20:42
  SPEAKER_00: He's a veteran of many podcasts.
• 20:44
  SPEAKER_00: He's an unbelievable guy.
• 20:47
  terms of learning and teaching the game and and i remember him
• 20:50
  watching the army
• 20:51
  teams that that we had when when doug was there and and all he
• 20:55
  was talking about
• 20:56
  was like god you guys just are really assaulting the rim and so
• 20:59
  you know for us it
• 21:00
  was it was about playing inside out and and ultimately i mean
• 21:04
  that's what what we
• 21:05
  want as coaches we want to get layups we want to get free
• 21:07
  throws we want to get
• 21:09
  standstill threes we want to get the most efficient shots and
• 21:12
  so you know we want
• 21:13
  to stay away from those those mid-range shots and so we talk
• 21:16
  about that a lot with
• 21:18
  our guys is what is the shot that we want what is the best shot
• 21:22
  for those five guys
• 21:22
  on the floor and that comes with the inside out piece and
• 21:26
  penetration but then the
• 21:28
  SPEAKER_00: next thing is okay if you can't get downhill you
• 21:31
  SPEAKER_00: How does it flow into the next phase of your offense?
• 21:34
  And that's what I love about this is you may be a coach that
• 21:38
  has thought about
• 21:39
  SPEAKER_00: playing faster or thought about really,
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 21:43
  SPEAKER_00: you like dribble penetration,
• 21:46
  but you run a system or you run ball screen motion or you run
• 21:51
  some Princeton stuff.
• 21:52
  And the great part about this is you can really teach playing
• 21:57
  off of penetration,
• 21:58
  SPEAKER_00: playing in space.
• 21:59
  SPEAKER_00: but it can flow into whatever it is that you want.
• 22:03
  And so that's the piece that I like is we can't get downhill or
• 22:08
  the guy that has
• 22:08
  the ball isn't a guy that is comfortable playing in space and
• 22:12
  doesn't usually
• 22:13
  SPEAKER_00: create an advantage.
• 22:15
  SPEAKER_00: What can he do that now makes the defense guard something different?
• 22:20
  That's where the bounce out game comes into and you kind of
• 22:23
  flow into whatever
• 22:24
  SPEAKER_00: action you want to flow into.
• 22:25
  SPEAKER_00: And it could be
• 22:26
  SPEAKER_00: It could be ball screen type stuff.
• 22:28
  SPEAKER_00: It could be Princeton stuff.
• 22:30
  SPEAKER_00: It could be five out Zoom stuff, but it flows together.
• 22:34
  SPEAKER_00: And I think that that's the fun part about it.
• 22:36
  SPEAKER_01: What do you like to flow into?
• 22:39
  uh i you know we we uh there's been some different things
• 22:44
  honestly uh at west point
• 22:46
  it was it was a combination of like the chin chin type action
• 22:51
  into five out um but
• 22:53
  also depending on where the ball was passed we could flow into
• 22:56
  some of the
• 22:57
  princeton point stuff uh and guys got pretty good at that again
• 23:01
  i think at the
• 23:02
  SPEAKER_00: college level it
• 23:03
  division one level you you probably have a little bit more time
• 23:07
  so you might be
• 23:07
  able to flow into some different things more than anything
• 23:11
  probably the chin chin
• 23:13
  five out stuff but it's easy to get into the the point stuff as
• 23:18
  well from that it's
• 23:19
  easy to get into ball screen stuff we we toyed with it a little
• 23:22
  bit a little bit
• 23:22
  SPEAKER_00: more of the ball screen stuff when i first got to um
• 23:25
  SPEAKER_00: to New Hampshire with Coach Davis.
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: The other thing,
• 23:28
  SPEAKER_00: and I think this is the same at most levels of college right now,
• 23:33
  SPEAKER_00: is you almost have a new team every year.
• 23:37
  SPEAKER_00: And so,
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 23:38
  SPEAKER_00: we're all,
• 23:39
  SPEAKER_00: you might have a couple kids that have played in your program,
• 23:42
  SPEAKER_00: but you're gonna be teaching.
• 23:44
  SPEAKER_00: There's no buildup, there's no carryover.
• 23:47
  And so keeping it as simple as possible,
• 23:49
  I think is really,
• 23:51
  really important.
• 23:52
  SPEAKER_00: And what can you spend the time on that you're going to get better at?
• 23:56
  SPEAKER_00: That's pretty easy.
• 23:57
  SPEAKER_00: We just talked about that.
• 23:58
  SPEAKER_00: The layups,
• 23:59
  SPEAKER_00: stationary threes,
• 24:00
  SPEAKER_00: straight line drives,
• 24:02
  SPEAKER_00: those kinds of things that all kind of flows together.
• 24:05
  SPEAKER_00: But again,
• 24:06
  I think that's the biggest thing that you need to kind of set a
• 24:11
  standard of in your
• 24:12
  SPEAKER_00: program and just coach every day and every possession.
• 24:23
  yell at a guy and say,
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  we're not,
• 24:24
  we're not taking that shot at all,
• 24:27
  ever.
• 24:27
  You've got to figure out a way to get guys to understand that
• 24:31
  it's not a good shot for them.
• 24:32
  You know,
• 24:33
  it's not,
• 24:33
  it's not helping them be a better basketball player either.
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: You know,
• 24:36
  SPEAKER_00: when you get that buy-in and,
• 24:38
  SPEAKER_00: and I know we've,
• 24:39
  SPEAKER_00: we've done some,
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: some different things.
• 24:40
  SPEAKER_00: We had,
• 24:41
  SPEAKER_00: we kind of had a point system at,
• 24:43
  SPEAKER_00: at Army West Point,
• 24:44
  SPEAKER_00: even before Doug was there with,
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: with,
• 24:46
  SPEAKER_00: I had Zach Bouver and Ben Wilkins.
• 24:50
  who's at Seton Hill now numbers,
• 24:52
  you know,
• 24:53
  what a five was,
• 24:54
  what a four was.
• 24:55
  And so we had a shot,
• 24:56
  you know,
• 24:57
  a grading system,
• 24:59
  which I do think is really good.
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  SPEAKER_00: I think that helps relate.
• 25:03
  SPEAKER_00: And then when you're playing in practice,
• 25:07
  SPEAKER_00: having specific games where you keep score by the,
• 25:10
  SPEAKER_00: by that,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 25:11
  SPEAKER_00: you,
• 25:12
  SPEAKER_00: you got a five that possession because that's what a five is for us.
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  SPEAKER_00: You get five points.
• 25:16
  So playing games where where your your grading system equates
• 25:20
  to how you're scoring.
• 25:21
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 25:22
  SPEAKER_00: And this is the other thing is I love this.
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  If you don't define it,
• 25:26
  like really define it for guys,
• 25:28
  then there's there's ambiguity and.
• 25:31
  SPEAKER_00: For us, we want we want to fight for the gold.
• 25:34
  SPEAKER_00: It's hand to the rim.
• 25:36
  SPEAKER_00: You're not fading away on either side and it's dead in front of the rim.
• 25:43
  That's where just above that gold mark is where we put an X for
• 25:47
  for home base.
• 25:48
  SPEAKER_00: We want to get to home base.
• 25:49
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to shoot shots.
• 25:51
  in the white you know those little pieces of pie are not
• 25:55
  efficient shots and so
• 25:58
  they tend to be fadeaways the angle's not great you know what
• 26:01
  we talk about is like
• 26:03
  if you know where you have to get to and you know what it is
• 26:06
  you don't have to make
• 26:07
  a decision about whether a shot's a good shot or not like you
• 26:10
  know what it is
• 26:11
  SPEAKER_00: This is just a basic breakdown of one of the types of cuts.
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  SPEAKER_00: So that's your normal spacing.
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  The three and the four would have started a little bit lower
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  and then moved up.
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  SPEAKER_00: This is what we call fingers cut.
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  and again you can flow into this stuff from your break and i
• 26:30
  have some clips where
• 26:31
  you you can see that but you swing the basketball and you cut
• 26:36
  and it's it's not um
• 26:38
  it's not a brush cut you you want it to be far enough where
• 26:43
  there's indecision
• 26:44
  SPEAKER_00: between the defenders and it's not an easy switch if that makes sense um
• 26:50
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a ghost cut.
• 26:51
  It is a cut that you want to bring that defender to create that
• 26:56
  space in the next
• 26:57
  the next clip or next diagram there where two now has all that
• 27:03
  space to drive it.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the one thing that I do love about this is it's it's not directional.
• 27:09
  SPEAKER_00: I think the the traditional dribble dribble drive is very directional.
• 27:14
  SPEAKER_00: It may look like it here,
• 27:16
  SPEAKER_00: but if two drives it to the,
• 27:18
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 27:19
  SPEAKER_00: to the right and his defender cuts him off,
• 27:22
  SPEAKER_00: as long as he takes it far enough to that lane line,
• 27:26
  SPEAKER_00: he's got the whole top of the key and he can drive it back to his left.
• 27:30
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's that's what I really like about that.
• 27:32
  SPEAKER_00: The five man is looking to either seal.
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  Or if his guy gets over the top,
• 27:38
  he just kind of melts off,
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  and now he's playing opposite.
• 27:42
  SPEAKER_00: Not quite to the dunker spot on the other side,
• 27:45
  SPEAKER_00: but his guy might help,
• 27:47
  SPEAKER_00: and then we can pivot and drop it in.
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  SPEAKER_00: He can seal.
• 27:50
  SPEAKER_00: Two can stride stop, throw it back to four.
• 27:54
  SPEAKER_00: But you have all of that space.
• 27:55
  SPEAKER_00: And what we're trying to create is double gaps.
• 27:58
  SPEAKER_00: We're trying to create double gaps for guys.
• 27:59
  SPEAKER_00: We don't want to drive single gaps.
• 28:01
  SPEAKER_00: But let's say he throws it back to four.
• 28:04
  SPEAKER_00: Four's got double gaps on both sides now.
• 28:06
  SPEAKER_00: And he can drive it either way.
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  SPEAKER_00: And so that's kind of how things just start.
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  SPEAKER_00: That's a normal, normal fingers cut.
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  So the next one would be if one has the ball and he can't throw
• 28:17
  it to two or he
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  SPEAKER_00: likes his matchup,
• 28:19
  SPEAKER_00: he can just wave that guy through,
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  SPEAKER_00: which is a slice cut.
• 28:22
  SPEAKER_00: And it's essentially the same thing, just going the other way.
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  And you can start it a lot of different ways,
• 28:29
  just depending on how you go.
• 28:31
  next one down would be you know what one in this diagram throws
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  it to two and he
• 28:35
  makes that fingers cut and two starts to drive it two starts to
• 28:40
  drive the ball we
• 28:41
  call this a snapback and maybe his guy cuts him off right away
• 28:45
  he can snap it
• 28:46
  quickly to the foreman and then what two is going to do is he's
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  going to fan across
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  the top um away from that and what that creates is another
• 28:55
  double gap for four to
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  SPEAKER_00: be able to drive the ball so now four
• 28:58
  SPEAKER_00: Four drives it.
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  SPEAKER_00: Let's say two's defender stunts at him.
• 29:02
  SPEAKER_00: Then we want to pitch it right to that guy.
• 29:04
  SPEAKER_00: Four continues on his cut.
• 29:06
  SPEAKER_00: And now two's got,
• 29:07
  SPEAKER_00: again,
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  the whole top of the key to be able to play and drive the
• 29:11
  basketball at that point.
• 29:12
  SPEAKER_00: So in four's case,
• 29:14
  SPEAKER_00: we talk about when you throw it on the run,
• 29:16
  SPEAKER_00: you want to stay on the run and get out of the play.
• 29:19
  SPEAKER_00: And then three's pulling behind and you have all the same options.
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  that you have before so um that's a couple of you know the
• 29:28
  different ways that we
• 29:29
  can create space for guys uh and then we're teaching um all the
• 29:33
  finishing stuff
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  we're teaching the Barkley stuff uh if you if you drive it and
• 29:39
  you like your
• 29:40
  matchup um and a part of that is is how do you protect the
• 29:43
  basketball you know and
• 29:45
  SPEAKER_00: and that's
• 29:46
  SPEAKER_00: by turning that drive into a post-up,
• 29:48
  SPEAKER_00: maybe not necessarily to score,
• 29:50
  SPEAKER_00: but just to protect the ball,
• 29:51
  SPEAKER_00: get the ball below the defense,
• 29:53
  SPEAKER_00: and be able to see where the next pass is.
• 29:56
  SPEAKER_00: You keep your dribble.
• 29:57
  SPEAKER_00: You can stride stop, same thing, but being able to pivot.
• 30:01
  SPEAKER_00: If you stride stop and you can't pivot,
• 30:03
  you put yourself in a pretty tough spot and you limit where you
• 30:06
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• 30:07
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  Why don't we go ahead and switch over to the film so you can
• 31:02
  show some of this?
• 31:03
  The first part of this film is,
• 31:05
  and the thing that I love is that you can play it.
• 31:09
  SPEAKER_00: It starts when you get the ball.
• 31:12
  SPEAKER_00: So it's not a come down the floor, set it up.
• 31:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's just how you play.
• 31:16
  SPEAKER_00: And I always love when everybody asks Doug, like, what is this?
• 31:21
  SPEAKER_00: And he's like, it's offense.
• 31:22
  SPEAKER_00: What do you call it?
• 31:23
  SPEAKER_00: Offense.
• 31:24
  SPEAKER_00: If you know him, you know his sense of humor.
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  But we kind of – Nathan Davis had used the Davidson break
• 31:32
  pretty much the whole
• 31:32
  SPEAKER_00: time he was at Bucknell,
• 31:33
  SPEAKER_00: and I'd used it for most of the time at Army.
• 31:35
  SPEAKER_00: And so we were able to kind of take the personnel that we had,
• 31:39
  SPEAKER_00: still be able to run the Davidson break,
• 31:40
  SPEAKER_00: which essentially is very,
• 31:42
  SPEAKER_00: very similar in transition to what we do,
• 31:45
  SPEAKER_00: just depending on who you take it out.
• 31:46
  So we're just trying to create space in transition,
• 31:50
  and you'll see this in this first clip –
• 31:52
  SPEAKER_00: We're getting it out.
• 31:53
  SPEAKER_00: And you're in that alignment.
• 31:56
  SPEAKER_00: The four is the trail.
• 31:57
  SPEAKER_00: Our four and our five were pretty interchangeable.
• 32:00
  SPEAKER_00: But he's creating that space.
• 32:03
  SPEAKER_00: The five man's engaging his guy down low.
• 32:05
  SPEAKER_00: You know, he's driven it to his side.
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  SPEAKER_00: And the kid that just scored that layup was probably 5'7".
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  um he was a junior college kid he played in texas he's from
• 32:16
  jersey but for the
• 32:17
  first part of the year he wanted to do everything off of one
• 32:21
  foot and he just kept
• 32:22
  getting his shot blocked all the time and so the the stride
• 32:25
  stop really really
• 32:26
  helped him you know be able to to improve as a player and be
• 32:31
  able to finish here
• 32:32
  you'll see him creating that space and hitting the guy back for
• 32:37
  the trail and again
• 32:38
  SPEAKER_00: these are all uh
• 32:42
  SPEAKER_00: how we want to play,
• 32:43
  SPEAKER_00: we want to put pressure on the defense,
• 32:45
  SPEAKER_00: and we're just running to the,
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 32:47
  SPEAKER_00: kind of the same spots that we would play in.
• 32:49
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 32:53
  SPEAKER_00: being able to get to the rim.
• 32:55
  Again,
• 32:55
  that kid was a,
• 32:57
  he was a second team all league player by the end of the year.
• 33:01
  SPEAKER_00: The kick out,
• 33:02
  SPEAKER_00: we want to run to the corners,
• 33:03
  SPEAKER_00: like I said,
• 33:05
  and this is the one where you really teach like the emphasis on
• 33:08
  getting to home
• 33:09
  SPEAKER_00: base,
• 33:10
  SPEAKER_00: being able to stride,
• 33:11
  SPEAKER_00: stop pivot and find the guy that's,
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: It's open,
• 33:15
  SPEAKER_00: and a lot of these clips are against Vermont,
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  SPEAKER_00: who was the best team and has been the best team in that league.
• 33:22
  SPEAKER_00: The kick ahead, if you don't run to the corner, you don't get that shot.
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  SPEAKER_01: Is there anything that you're teaching them in regards to,
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: like,
• 33:28
  SPEAKER_01: we don't want the outlet below the free throw line.
• 33:31
  SPEAKER_01: We're trying to get up the floor in three seconds.
• 33:33
  SPEAKER_01: We don't want the ball to cross on a dribble.
• 33:35
  SPEAKER_01: Like, I've heard a bunch of those types of things.
• 33:37
  SPEAKER_01: Do you have things like those that you're communicating to players?
• 33:39
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
• 33:40
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we do.
• 33:41
  SPEAKER_00: We want the outlet to be as wide and as far up the court,
• 33:46
  but then we want that point guard to drive it through the jump
• 33:50
  circle and create,
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 33:52
  SPEAKER_00: there's a lot of traffic in the middle of the floor.
• 33:55
  SPEAKER_00: He's trying to get in there, and what he does is he gets his defender.
• 33:58
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of screens there.
• 34:00
  SPEAKER_00: There's a lot of basically moving screens,
• 34:02
  and he's playing off of that traffic in the middle of the floor
• 34:06
  and trying to get
• 34:07
  SPEAKER_00: to one side or the other.
• 34:09
  SPEAKER_00: So we want that outlet deep.
• 34:11
  SPEAKER_00: If he's denied, then we want him to cut across the court like a J-cut.
• 34:16
  SPEAKER_00: We call it a J-cut and catch it that way.
• 34:18
  SPEAKER_00: But again, we want him to center the ball as he's coming up.
• 34:21
  SPEAKER_00: so that he's not stuck on a side.
• 34:23
  SPEAKER_00: And then the other teaching point would be for the trail guy,
• 34:27
  SPEAKER_00: if he's behind,
• 34:29
  SPEAKER_00: you don't want to run on top of the ball.
• 34:32
  SPEAKER_00: And the relationship between those guys is really important.
• 34:34
  SPEAKER_00: If he's ahead, then he actually runs to the nail at the free throw line.
• 34:40
  SPEAKER_00: And we just call that button hook action.
• 34:42
  SPEAKER_00: So this is pretty bad defense.
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: But,
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: again,
• 34:45
  SPEAKER_00: we're looking to go inside out,
• 34:48
  SPEAKER_00: and you can see where the emphasis is to get the ball out.
• 34:58
  SPEAKER_00: Where does he get to right here?
• 34:59
  SPEAKER_00: That is home base.
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  And the kid that's guarding him was the defensive player of the
• 35:05
  year in the America East.
• 35:07
  SPEAKER_00: So we work really,
• 35:08
  really hard on all of the moves that we have and the ability to
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  pivot at home base
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  SPEAKER_00: right there.
• 35:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you can run a lot of offense and not get that shot.
• 35:21
  SPEAKER_00: For him here,
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  SPEAKER_00: this is this is what what I love is,
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  SPEAKER_00: you know,
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  SPEAKER_00: he does he have the guy on the trail?
• 35:29
  SPEAKER_00: Yes.
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  But if you don't pivot,
• 35:32
  then then you you you can't like it doesn't open up the floor
• 35:37
  for you.
• 35:37
  SPEAKER_00: And being able to pivot allows a lot of.
• 35:41
  SPEAKER_00: And again, that kid's 5'5".
• 35:42
  SPEAKER_00: The kid that's guarding him is 6'6".
• 35:45
  But he's strong,
• 35:46
  he's physical,
• 35:47
  and he's able to pivot to get to his left hand.
• 35:51
  SPEAKER_00: So the next part would be being able to play out of penetration.
• 35:58
  SPEAKER_00: And so this is what we call an escape.
• 36:03
  SPEAKER_00: 21, he's being driven at, and we want to turn away from the defense.
• 36:09
  SPEAKER_00: and throw it there.
• 36:11
  SPEAKER_00: So learning how to play off of penetration.
• 36:15
  SPEAKER_00: These are some great clips.
• 36:16
  SPEAKER_00: We got to play both UConn and Iowa State.
• 36:21
  SPEAKER_00: So two of the top five teams in the country.
• 36:25
  And the one thing that we did do really,
• 36:27
  really well was we scored in transition.
• 36:29
  SPEAKER_00: So point guard...
• 36:30
  SPEAKER_00: A lot of people call that a Nash dribble.
• 36:32
  SPEAKER_00: We called it a hockey dribble.
• 36:33
  SPEAKER_00: But, again, being unselfish, being able to move the basketball is key.
• 36:37
  SPEAKER_00: So here both bigs go with our five, and we get a trail three right there.
• 36:47
  SPEAKER_00: We'll see it again.
• 36:48
  SPEAKER_00: And you don't see this –
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  If you have really good wings,
• 36:54
  then you can kick it up more than maybe your point guard.
• 36:57
  But being able to hockey dribble and how do you play off that
• 37:02
  penetration?
• 37:03
  SPEAKER_00: What are the spots that you're getting to?
• 37:05
  SPEAKER_00: Those are all important.
• 37:07
  SPEAKER_00: This is one of my favorite clips.
• 37:10
  SPEAKER_00: with these two guys.
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  SPEAKER_00: We would set some drags in transition.
• 37:15
  SPEAKER_00: And so Ahmad right there, number four, he refuses it.
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  But when you see how hard he pivots and how hard he throws this
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  pass is what's great.
• 37:26
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, he zips it.
• 37:29
  SPEAKER_00: And so that's what gives Jackson the time to do that.
• 37:33
  SPEAKER_00: A couple other clips.
• 37:35
  SPEAKER_00: These are a little more set actions, but how can we go forwards out
• 37:41
  And then we basically put the guy that we want to attack and
• 37:46
  the matchup that we
• 37:47
  SPEAKER_00: want to attack,
• 37:48
  SPEAKER_00: we put,
• 37:49
  we can get him the ball and we can put somebody what we call
• 37:53
  the button hook area.
• 37:54
  SPEAKER_00: And it's almost kind of like a ghost screen.
• 37:56
  SPEAKER_00: It's not a flat ball screen.
• 37:58
  He's not making contact,
• 38:00
  but what happens,
• 38:01
  there's a little bit of a brush,
• 38:03
  but what does it do?
• 38:03
  SPEAKER_00: We get the ball again below the defense and
• 38:08
  SPEAKER_00: And that's a step in, kick out three.
• 38:12
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing, we kick it out.
• 38:13
  SPEAKER_00: We liked this kid with this matchup.
• 38:18
  SPEAKER_00: And now we're going to teach him how to play out of that Barkley.
• 38:24
  SPEAKER_00: So I do like being able to attack matchups.
• 38:27
  Did you guys use that as a set call or was that something that
• 38:30
  they recognized?
• 38:31
  SPEAKER_00: So that was a set call.
• 38:33
  SPEAKER_00: There'll be a couple that aren't.
• 38:34
  SPEAKER_00: This is another,
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 38:36
  SPEAKER_00: again,
• 38:36
  he's pivoting and he's balanced and he's able to look at the
• 38:41
  other side of the
• 38:41
  SPEAKER_00: floor.
• 38:42
  And so just teaching that piece opens up so many things no
• 38:47
  matter what you're running.
• 38:48
  SPEAKER_00: This is how we kind of flow.
• 38:51
  into the fingers action so he couldn't get downhill he kind of
• 38:57
  he didn't really
• 38:57
  bounce it out but he did throw it to the trail guy and so this
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  is where number four
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  just makes that fingers cut and then we swing it this was kind
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  of like the snapback
• 39:10
  SPEAKER_00: except he didn't take a dribble 21 could have fanned out
• 39:14
  SPEAKER_00: a little bit more.
• 39:16
  SPEAKER_00: But now you get this drive.
• 39:19
  SPEAKER_00: That's a double gap.
• 39:21
  SPEAKER_00: Where did he get to?
• 39:22
  SPEAKER_00: He got to home base.
• 39:23
  SPEAKER_00: That's a pretty good shot.
• 39:24
  SPEAKER_00: That's a pretty efficient shot.
• 39:27
  SPEAKER_00: Same thing here.
• 39:28
  SPEAKER_00: He can't get downhill.
• 39:29
  SPEAKER_00: He swings it.
• 39:31
  SPEAKER_00: Again, this is kind of the snapback.
• 39:34
  SPEAKER_00: Guy makes a fingers cut.
• 39:35
  SPEAKER_00: What does he have?
• 39:36
  SPEAKER_00: He's got a huge double gap.
• 39:38
  SPEAKER_00: The guy at the top of the key is a terrific three-point shooter.
• 39:41
  SPEAKER_00: And...
• 39:44
  you know you get a pivot and one we would this would be a call
• 39:47
  this would be a
• 39:48
  button hook escape and we got a probably a tough shot right
• 39:56
  there um there's a
• 39:57
  couple other things i want to show um so so this is what we
• 40:02
  would call a fan
• 40:04
  SPEAKER_00: instead of a fingers cut now we this was a set call but um
• 40:11
  SPEAKER_00: What five is going to do is he's going to fade what we call the fan.
• 40:17
  SPEAKER_00: Four is going to cut through baseline.
• 40:20
  But what's happening is he's creating the same gap that we work
• 40:23
  on all the time,
• 40:24
  SPEAKER_00: but he's just putting that defender,
• 40:26
  SPEAKER_00: four or five's defender,
• 40:28
  in a little bit different spot where he kind of gets stuck and
• 40:34
  then five gets a
• 40:34
  SPEAKER_00: shot right there.
• 40:36
  SPEAKER_00: And now the next possession, we did the same thing.
• 40:44
  And what happened,
• 40:45
  that defender went running to the corner,
• 40:47
  and we got that double gap.
• 40:52
  SPEAKER_00: So that's kind of one of the ways to manipulate things.
• 40:57
  SPEAKER_00: This is where I talked about the change of direction.
• 41:02
  SPEAKER_00: So...
• 41:05
  SPEAKER_00: You can go to either side.
• 41:07
  SPEAKER_00: They read it.
• 41:08
  SPEAKER_00: Four is supposed to cut through.
• 41:10
  SPEAKER_00: So he starts to drive it.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: He gets cut off.
• 41:12
  SPEAKER_00: But, I mean, he's got the whole top of the key here.
• 41:15
  SPEAKER_00: And he kind of changed his direction.
• 41:18
  SPEAKER_00: And he's a very good player.
• 41:23
  The next clip would be where,
• 41:25
  you know,
• 41:26
  we're talking about being able to move the basketball.
• 41:32
  SPEAKER_00: There's a fingers cut.
• 41:35
  SPEAKER_00: The second you see two, the ball's got to move.
• 41:40
  I have found coaching this way that the growth of the players
• 41:46
  just simply continued
• 41:47
  to skyrocket as the season went on versus running a system that
• 41:52
  is either some sort
• 41:54
  SPEAKER_01: of pattern or it kind of leveled out towards the end of the year.
• 41:59
  SPEAKER_01: Can you confirm or deny this for your team?
• 42:01
  SPEAKER_01: Even at like, I'm coaching at a small college level.
• 42:05
  SPEAKER_01: So I always have, yeah, but at the D1 level,
• 42:08
  SPEAKER_01: So I'm asking a D1 coach, what have you found with this?
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: No question.
• 42:14
  SPEAKER_00: I mean, you're 100% right.
• 42:15
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: you heard the term,
• 42:17
  SPEAKER_00: what would you rather have at the end of the year,
• 42:19
  SPEAKER_00: a better player or a better play to run?
• 42:23
  SPEAKER_00: And so I think being able to teach them how to play,
• 42:28
  SPEAKER_00: how to play in space,
• 42:29
  SPEAKER_00: how to pivot,
• 42:31
  SPEAKER_00: how to play off of penetration.
• 42:34
  SPEAKER_00: Now, whatever play you run,
• 42:37
  They understand a lot of the fundamental concepts of what
• 42:39
  you're trying to do,
• 42:41
  SPEAKER_00: and they've improved those areas.
• 42:43
  SPEAKER_00: And now they have the skill to be able to make the right decisions.
• 42:48
  And so I think the mistake we all make a lot of times is we're
• 42:53
  not teaching the skill.
• 42:55
  SPEAKER_00: And so they can't make the decisions.
• 42:58
  that they need to be able to make so um you know i mean we all
• 43:02
  know when you know
• 43:03
  you like adding plays you see somebody do stuff you know it's
• 43:06
  going to work for us
• 43:07
  too it worked for them um and it might you know and and um
• 43:11
  we're going to add
• 43:12
  things because you might be able to steal a basket scouting so
• 43:15
  good but you're only
• 43:16
  going to be able to steal one basket this allows you i think no
• 43:20
  matter what it is
• 43:21
  that you're putting in you're you're really teaching the
• 43:24
  fundamentals of the game
• 43:25
  SPEAKER_01: I feel like,
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: too,
• 43:26
  SPEAKER_01: the skills do continue to improve,
• 43:29
  but it's the speed at which they're able to make the decisions
• 43:32
  and thus use the
• 43:33
  skills that is really the differentiating factor when it comes
• 43:37
  to the improvement
• 43:39
  SPEAKER_01: of this kind of system versus a traditional system.
• 43:43
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no question.
• 43:45
  SPEAKER_00: I mean,
• 43:46
  that's the essence kind of of everything is the better you are
• 43:50
  at something,
• 43:51
  SPEAKER_00: the faster it allows you to play.
• 43:53
  So it's a little bit frustrating when you start because you
• 43:57
  want to get to the play part.
• 43:59
  But if you spend two days on stride stops and you think that's
• 44:04
  going to be – the
• 44:06
  SPEAKER_00: kid that you see in all those clips,
• 44:09
  SPEAKER_00: the little guard,
• 44:10
  it was after Christmas before he could really pivot like that
• 44:15
  and he could really
• 44:17
  SPEAKER_00: play off of two feet.
• 44:18
  SPEAKER_00: And so it takes time.
• 44:21
  SPEAKER_00: And nobody's patient.
• 44:22
  SPEAKER_00: We're not patient as coaches.
• 44:24
  SPEAKER_00: Kids aren't patient as players.
• 44:26
  SPEAKER_00: And so you really have to –
• 44:28
  SPEAKER_00: have to spend that time teaching the other piece.
• 44:31
  But that's what I do love about this is you can teach it out of
• 44:34
  the offense.
• 44:35
  SPEAKER_00: So you can spend six to eight minutes on the stride stop,
• 44:41
  SPEAKER_00: the finishing,
• 44:42
  SPEAKER_00: the pivoting,
• 44:44
  SPEAKER_00: all of that stuff out of an action,
• 44:47
  SPEAKER_00: and then you go play it.
• 44:48
  SPEAKER_00: And then you can spend it,
• 44:49
  SPEAKER_00: you know,
• 44:50
  SPEAKER_00: the time on Barclays and how you want to finish off of Barclays.
• 44:53
  SPEAKER_00: And then you play out of a Barclay.
• 44:56
  SPEAKER_00: And then obviously you spend time on shooting and that's, that's huge.
• 44:59
  SPEAKER_00: It makes everything look a lot better and work a lot better.
• 45:02
  SPEAKER_01: Yeah, for sure.
• 45:04
  I will typically have after this coaches will want to connect
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  and either ask more
• 45:08
  SPEAKER_01: questions or at least to be able to see what more of what,
• 45:12
  SPEAKER_01: what you're doing.
• 45:13
  SPEAKER_01: Can you point them to the best place that they can connect with you?
• 45:16
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah,
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: well,
• 45:17
  SPEAKER_00: the best place to see a lot of this stuff would be Doug's website,
• 45:21
  SPEAKER_00: Coach Doug Novak.
• 45:24
  SPEAKER_00: If you Google him, you'll get to his website.
• 45:26
  SPEAKER_00: Yeah, I'll link that below.
• 45:29
  He's got a lot of video from things that we did in practice at
• 45:33
  West Point,
• 45:33
  SPEAKER_00: breakdown drills,
• 45:34
  SPEAKER_00: those kinds of things.
• 45:36
  SPEAKER_00: But if you email me here, I'd be happy to follow up.
• 45:41
  SPEAKER_01: This has been great.
• 45:42
  I appreciate you taking the time to put together things and get
• 45:44
  things in order and
• 45:45
  SPEAKER_01: explain stuff.
• 45:46
  SPEAKER_01: Coach, I appreciate you coming on the show.
• 45:47
  SPEAKER_01: Thanks, Tony.