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Brian chats with Dan Hils 7-8-2026 · Brian Thomas

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Speaker 1: Six or six or fifty five gar Cede Talk Station.
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Speaker 1: Happy Wednesday. Reminder of listener lunch today at Chandler's Burger
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Speaker 1: Bistrow West Side Up to see you there, and I
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Speaker 1: am pleased. Although the circumstances surroundings return of the fifty
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Speaker 1: five Carsey Mornings, you're rather sad and what this man
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Speaker 1: describes as the most unjust, unfair and outrageous punishment I
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Speaker 1: have witnessed in my decades in law enforcement. The I
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Speaker 1: refers to former FOP President Dan Hills. Dan Hills, welcome
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Speaker 1: back to the morning show, sir. I saw your post
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Speaker 1: on Support the Blue and Cincinnati on Facebook and wow,
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Speaker 1: this is mind blowing. It's good to have you on
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Speaker 1: the show to break this down for us.
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Speaker 2: Welcome back, well, Brian, thanks for having me on. And
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Speaker 2: even though I haven't been on the show talking as much,
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Speaker 2: I'm still listening and you know, always listening up to
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Speaker 2: your health updates and thinking about your brother and praying
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Speaker 2: for you.
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Speaker 1: So well, Thank you man.
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Speaker 2: It's good to talk to you. Well, it is for long.
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Speaker 1: It's good that you get this out of your system
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Speaker 1: and let the public know about this insanity going on
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Speaker 1: over the city of Mason. Now i'd my listeners how
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Speaker 1: it is that you became involved with the representation of
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Speaker 1: police officers sailor who was a Brandon sailor specifically who
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Speaker 1: was let go by the City of Mason, and you
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Speaker 1: were there representing him in his disciplinary hearing under what capacity?
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Speaker 1: To remind my listeners what you're doing now?
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Speaker 2: Dan? All right, I'm with Frontline Advisors and it's a
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Speaker 2: small business and it works in coordination with a couple
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Speaker 2: of different law firms. They mostly take care of a
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Speaker 2: lot of individual cases, but we have seven or eight clients,
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Speaker 2: a couple of corrections unions, and a handful of police departments,
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Speaker 2: which includes Mason. And the Frontline lawyers have not yet
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Speaker 2: gotten a crack at their contract, but that's about to
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Speaker 2: come up. Brian, I could go into representing because I
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Speaker 2: do the representation at predisciplinary hearings and internal investigations, just
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Speaker 2: like I did for the City of Cincinnati. And whether
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Speaker 2: I'm talking about the City of Cincinnati or our biggest
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Speaker 2: client right now is Hamblin County Corrections, and I'll do
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Speaker 2: a handful of pred discipline air hearings in a month.
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Speaker 2: Matter of fact, I'm on my way downtown for prediscipline
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Speaker 2: air and hearing this morning. And I could go into
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Speaker 2: I could go into description of what your average predisciplined
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Speaker 2: hearing is is like, but I would put all your
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Speaker 2: listeners to sleep because they're really not that. They're really
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Speaker 2: not that interesting interesting. It's you know, people being disciplined
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Speaker 2: for a lot of times, uh, very everyday stuff, being
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Speaker 2: late for work, taking off when you don't have enough
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Speaker 2: in your time, banks, things of that nature, and and uh,
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Speaker 2: you know, more likely than not, we usually go in
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Speaker 2: as with with the client and say it we screwed up.
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Speaker 2: We're sorry, but you know, here's going on his his
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Speaker 2: father has been sick or or something of that nature.
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Speaker 2: It's just representation. It's like I said, it's it's it's
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Speaker 2: pretty basic stuff. But for some reason, the city of
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Speaker 2: Mason has been very resistant of uh they're there, the
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Speaker 2: police Union up there, to the Mason Police Association. Uh,
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Speaker 2: since they hired us a year and a half ago
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Speaker 2: or show, they've been very resistant to me walking in
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Speaker 2: those doors. And I don't even begin to know why.
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Speaker 2: But anyway, I'm sorry, you got something asked.
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Speaker 1: These discipliner are hearing is all pursuit of the collective
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Speaker 1: bargaining agreement the cops had with the with the city
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Speaker 1: of Masons. That basically what this is all about. Correct, Okay, So.
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Speaker 2: It's about the It's about the expire at the end
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Speaker 2: of this month. And like I said, our attorneys are
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Speaker 2: going to get their first shot at it. Well in
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Speaker 2: to explain, I don't know who let go first, me
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Speaker 2: or you, to explain that in the collective bargaining agreement
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Speaker 2: they have representations as a member of their union and
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Speaker 2: a police officer. Well, I am a member of their union.
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Speaker 2: They voted me in unanimously, their union did, and I'm
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Speaker 2: still a police officer. I worked part time in a
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Speaker 2: small village nearby where now, and so contractually I need it.
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Speaker 2: They don't like the fact that they have outsiders come
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Speaker 2: in as reps. They want to be able to intimidate
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Speaker 2: the rep whenever they are are having their discipline. That's
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Speaker 2: my take on it. Anyway, and they are they're just
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Speaker 2: they're a little odd. Like I said, they there their
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Speaker 2: HR director gets involved in each and every disciplinary case.
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Speaker 2: And in this case, as in one other, they decided that,
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Speaker 2: you know, they really didn't believe it was my place
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Speaker 2: to be there representing the Police Association, even though they
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Speaker 2: pay for our representation.
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Speaker 1: So they disallowed you from representing Officers Sailor in spite
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Speaker 1: of the fact that it sounds like you have every
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Speaker 1: right to do so. And Officers Sailor, I presume wanted
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Speaker 1: you there, oh very much.
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Speaker 2: Okay. A matter of fact, I was sitting there when
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Speaker 2: with the officer and we were preparing for this pre
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Speaker 2: disciplinary hearing, and out comes the chief, a captain. I
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Speaker 2: guess they're more or less their assistant chief and this
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Speaker 2: HR director. Nowhere else those HR directors get involved in
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Speaker 2: day to day discipline matters. But and Mason, like I said,
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Speaker 2: little odd, they all came out and they said, well,
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Speaker 2: you can't be here, and so they actually walked me
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Speaker 2: out the door and the officer went in and little
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Speaker 2: semantics here, they forced him into a waiver of his
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Speaker 2: hearing because he wasn't going to go without my representation.
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Speaker 2: He stood his ground on that one. So, but been
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Speaker 2: kind of just sitting at the edge of our seats
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Speaker 2: waiting for their decision. And then, like said, Monday night,
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Speaker 2: they called him in and said you're out here.
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Speaker 1: They terminated, okay, So ultimately they terminated after this hearing
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Speaker 1: where you were not there to represent him and he
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Speaker 1: was apparently was he flying solo in that hearing represented
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Speaker 1: himself alone?
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Speaker 2: Well, like I said, kind of, yes, it was a
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Speaker 2: case where they actually didn't go through all the steps
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Speaker 2: of the hearing because he said, I'm not going to
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Speaker 2: do this without mister Hills, and they said, well then
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Speaker 2: you're not doing it. You wave the hearing.
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Speaker 1: I got it, And.
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Speaker 2: That's the way. That's the way it went down. And
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Speaker 2: so we've been to that edge or receipt. We're hoping
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Speaker 2: that they were just going to be reasonable. The charges
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Speaker 2: of insubordination and dishonesty are completely trumped up.
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Speaker 1: All right, well, hold on, we got it. We got
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Speaker 1: to get to the basis of all this. So ultimately
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Speaker 1: the point being he was terminated for wearing a baseball cap,
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Speaker 1: isn't that that is the root of it? All right,
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Speaker 1: let's talk about this. This is this is crazy, all
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Speaker 1: about wearing a police department issued baseball hat. So why, Okay,
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Speaker 1: they have a summer uniform and apparently in the rules,
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Speaker 1: the summer uniform is a short sleeve shirt and I
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Speaker 1: guess short pants if you know, a police issued and
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Speaker 1: also a ball cap, a police issued ball cap. That's
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Speaker 1: the uniform. And apparently, the way I read you're reporting
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Speaker 1: on this, your comments on this, the policy is you
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Speaker 1: are not allowed to wear the ball cap if you
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Speaker 1: can't wear the summer uniform. It's part of the uniform.
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Speaker 1: So you can't put a ball cap on your regular
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Speaker 1: police uniform. But it's okay if you got the summer
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Speaker 1: uniform on. Fine. But he's got two tattoos that are
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Speaker 1: that show that are shown if he has a short
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Speaker 1: sleeve shirt, aren't And since they have a policy that
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Speaker 1: does not allow visible tattoos on duty, he's not allowed
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Speaker 1: to wear the summer uniform. He's got his long uniform on, right.
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Speaker 1: So he's working on a hot.
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Speaker 2: Day exactly, hot day exactly, and the sun's beating down
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Speaker 2: traffic cats.
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Speaker 1: But he's got his sunscreen.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a forehead, but he seld himself burning and
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Speaker 2: he had the hat to put the hat on. Okay,
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Speaker 2: And that's the roots of this whole thing, all right.
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Speaker 1: So even though he isn't wearing that, he's not wearing
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Speaker 1: the short sleeve shirt in the short summer uniform, he
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Speaker 1: is not allowed to, so his tattoos are covered up.
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Speaker 1: He says, damn it, I need this at I'm burning up.
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Speaker 1: It'll be good for me. I won't pass out on
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Speaker 1: the job or whatever. The sun's beating down. Puts the
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Speaker 1: cap on, and that serves as the basis for his
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Speaker 1: ultimate termination.
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Speaker 2: Well again, little semantics here that the charges of insubordination
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Speaker 2: for I don't know if it's for wearing the hat.
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Speaker 2: And they also dishonesty, which I still don't know where
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Speaker 2: he was dishonest because he told him from the get go, yes,
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I wore the hat. I know it's not
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Speaker 2: with him policy. Here's why I did it. Again. I
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Speaker 2: don't want to get into the liar liar pants on
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Speaker 2: fire back and forth, but that will save that for
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Speaker 2: the arbitration when it happens. But I find I find
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Speaker 2: young Officer Shailer to be a very honest man, a
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Speaker 2: very stand up Guy's twenty six years old, former college athlete,
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Speaker 2: baseball pitcher. You know he's to me, he's kind of
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Speaker 2: a cops cop and a man's man. He's got a
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Speaker 2: little two month old baby girl at home. If I
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Speaker 2: was a police chief somewhere, Brian, I'd hire him in
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Speaker 2: the blink of an eye. Really again, he seems like,
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Speaker 2: you know, my type of guy as far as out
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Speaker 2: there doing the job. But for some reason they I don't,
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Speaker 2: you know, target, it might be a little strong, but
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Speaker 2: there seemed to be something going on. And from the
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Speaker 2: time I walked in for the first interview of him,
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Speaker 2: which interviews about a ball hat, again kind of blew
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Speaker 2: my mind, but that actually went pretty smooth. I think
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Speaker 2: they've found out that I wasn't there to upset the
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Speaker 2: apple cart. He was going to be interviewed. I was
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Speaker 2: just there to, you know, look after his rights. There's
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Speaker 2: a Supreme Court case Wine Gardner that says you have
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Speaker 2: the right to representation. So I want to interview number one.
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Speaker 2: And then surprisingly there was a second interview ordered. I'm like, well,
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Speaker 2: this is weird, you know, So I go in in
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Speaker 2: the second interview, I could truly use the ORGS interrogation.
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Speaker 2: He kept passing the same stuff over and over again,
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Speaker 2: and that's why I said, hey, we're not doing this.
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Speaker 2: He's answered your questions. Can we please move on? And
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Speaker 2: it was about conversations before and after that he had
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Speaker 2: with supervision, before four and after this detail and the
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Speaker 2: wearing of this felonious hat, this ball hat, that that's
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Speaker 2: turning law enforcement upside down in the city of Mason.
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Speaker 2: This this, this this simple ball at.
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Speaker 1: So real and real quick before we before I'm gonnause,
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Speaker 1: We're gonna bring back finish the subject matter on this.
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Speaker 1: But was did did he have some discussions with you
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Speaker 1: with with the internal authorities whoever?
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Speaker 2: You know?
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Speaker 1: Was a response for him to dealing with these conversations
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Speaker 1: about the ball cap that he was like had advanced
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Speaker 1: plans to wear it if it got hot. I mean,
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Speaker 1: was did they have a discussion before he actually donned
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Speaker 1: the cap which resulted in his termination, to say, no, no, no,
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Speaker 1: you can never wear the ball cap with your non
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Speaker 1: summer uniform and you can't wear summer uniform, so you
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Speaker 1: can never wear the ball cap. Was that expressly converse
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Speaker 1: about it.
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Speaker 2: Here's the here's the most confusing part. The sergeant who
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Speaker 2: became the center of all this and I was never
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Speaker 2: given a chance to uh, you know, interview cross if
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Speaker 2: you will and a hearing. He gave Usher Shaler the
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Speaker 2: ball hat and then he became the the person who
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Speaker 2: ordered him never wear it again after he was seen
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Speaker 2: on social media wearing the ball hat. That doesn't go
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Speaker 2: with that uniform. Can you can you kind of yeah,
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Speaker 2: what do you use something from another channel? But can
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Speaker 2: you smell when I'm cooking?
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Speaker 1: There's an established record, established record of him previously wearing
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Speaker 1: the ball cap under similar circumstances, a ball cap that
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Speaker 1: was given it to him by his sergeant.
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Speaker 2: Well, no, no, there was only one circumstance. He was
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Speaker 2: given the ball cap shortly before this detail. And then
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Speaker 2: the same sergeant who gave him the ball hat is
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Speaker 2: the one that approached him and and and then ordered
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Speaker 2: him never to wear it again. But again, this is
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Speaker 2: this is yeah, this is many, he claims. The sergeant claims,
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Speaker 2: actually I gave him that order beforehand, So my question
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Speaker 2: would have been in a hearing, like, oh, why'd you
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Speaker 2: give him a.
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Speaker 1: Ball Here's a ball cap, never wear it? Here, I
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Speaker 1: want you to have this and if you wear it,
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Speaker 1: you're gonna get don't go away, Dan, we'll we'll talk a
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Speaker 1: little bit more about this. This is backcrap insanity from
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Speaker 1: what I'm hearing six eighty on Kercity Talk station brynsalmas Woo.
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Speaker 1: Former FFP president Dan Hills, who does some representation of
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Speaker 1: police officers involved in collective bargaining processes for disciplinary matters.
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Speaker 1: He tried to be involved with office for Brandon Sailor's
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Speaker 1: issue in Mason County. He was reprimanded and went through
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Speaker 1: the whole process of appeals and hearings in connection with
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Speaker 1: his wearing a police issued baseball cap issued only to
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Speaker 1: be used with a summer uniform, short sleeves and shorts.
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Speaker 1: He wasn't allowed to wear the sober uniform because he
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Speaker 1: has tattoos and they have a policy against tattoos. Maybe
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Speaker 1: a little outdated given seemingly I'm the only person alive
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Speaker 1: that doesn't have a tattoo, but no tattoos visible. So
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Speaker 1: he's got it, I know. So he's got his long sleeve. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: it's probably wool polyester blood uniform. So it's hot. He's
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Speaker 1: standing in the burning down heat. He takes the hat
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Speaker 1: that was given to him by his sergeant, although against policy,
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Speaker 1: puts the hat on because his head's burning up. Question,
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Speaker 1: Dan Hills, since he ultimately gets fired for this, fired
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Speaker 1: for wearing a police issued hat, what's the policy behind
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Speaker 1: why you can only wear the damn hat if you've
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Speaker 1: got the summer uniform on. If it's okay with the
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Speaker 1: summer uniform it's got the logo on it. Clearly it
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Speaker 1: would still identify him as a police Officer's not like
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Speaker 1: he's got a MAGA hat on with his regular issued
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Speaker 1: What the hell is the problem with using that hat
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Speaker 1: on hot days when you have your regular uniform on.
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Speaker 2: Well, I really don't understand what the big deal is.
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Speaker 2: That's one of the reasons we were there and representing
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Speaker 2: is because this doesn't this doesn't make any sense. And again,
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Speaker 2: just so when Mason responds, they're going to respond that
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Speaker 2: they didn't fire him for a hat. They were fired
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Speaker 2: him for dishonesty and insubordination. But again, I don't find
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Speaker 2: him dishonest at all. Matter in fact, I'm find him
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Speaker 2: very poor, fright, very very very strong in his opinion
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Speaker 2: in that you know, I did not have anybody tell
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Speaker 2: me not to wear the hat. I knew though that
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Speaker 2: it's deep in policy that it's only supposed to be
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Speaker 2: for the summer uniform. And he didn't wear it. In
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Speaker 2: the beginning of the detail, he'd been out in the
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Speaker 2: sun for hours and he said, my forehead was starting
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Speaker 2: to burn, so I won't grab that hat. I'll put
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Speaker 2: it on. And here's the thing, and this is what
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Speaker 2: I would ask the sergeant if I were allowed to
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Speaker 2: be part of a hearing, I would have said, sergeant,
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Speaker 2: did this become a bigger deal once his picture you
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Speaker 2: saw that his picture was in a social media site
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Speaker 2: and he was wearing a hat, the hat that you
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Speaker 2: gave him that he's not supposed to have with that uniform.
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Speaker 2: Is that when it became a big deal. That's what
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Speaker 2: I would ask the sergeant to maybe make this a
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Speaker 2: little clear of what it is I think's going on.
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Speaker 2: And then then it just became a life of its
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Speaker 2: own once he what once he confronted him about wearing
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Speaker 2: this this hat, and then the sergeant's claims is that
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Speaker 2: he told him don't wear the hat, which again, oh,
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Speaker 2: really weird.
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Speaker 1: This is the hat that's the source of the claims
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Speaker 1: of dishonesty. That it's a he said, she said thing.
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Speaker 1: Either they're gonna believe the sergeant said don't wear the hat,
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Speaker 1: or they're gonna believe what he said, which is, well,
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Speaker 1: he gave me the hat and didn't say anything about
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Speaker 1: not wearing it. This is that I mean that that
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Speaker 1: that that disagreement with I suppose No, that's it. That's it.
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Speaker 2: That's it. They fired. They fired a policeman with a
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Speaker 2: with a perfect record. He worked for their municipal department. Uh,
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Speaker 2: I guess their their highway department for a couple of years.
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Speaker 2: He's been a policeman for a couple of years. Not
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Speaker 2: a single other right up, except for he's got a
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Speaker 2: few things and and I posted the Facebook.
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Speaker 1: To Nea this one life saving.
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Speaker 2: He was given life saving, the ward he saved. He
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Speaker 2: shaved somebody's life who attempted suicide by put a tourniquet
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Speaker 2: on his arm after I guess the uh, the the
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Speaker 2: poor and for fortune gentleman at Cutters Riffs. So this
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Speaker 2: guy's out saving lives. He's out there being patrolling. I
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Speaker 2: talked to the other cops. I don't go into these
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Speaker 2: things blind. I want to know what type of guy
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Speaker 2: I'm you know, looking out after of course, and this
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Speaker 2: is this is the guy. He's he he's a cops cop.
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Speaker 2: And I don't know why the administration has taken this
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Speaker 2: route with him, but like it came to the point
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Speaker 2: like I've never seen anything like this before. And that's
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Speaker 2: why I want to typing on social media because I
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Speaker 2: was just blown away that the arbitration is going to
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Speaker 2: be months, and I'm hoping that he can find some
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Speaker 2: employment in the meantime. I'm happy to report that I've
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Speaker 2: not gonna reveal who, but I've gotten a few different
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Speaker 2: agencies leadership that I know that's reached out and said, hey,
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Speaker 2: have him come by. We'll have a little conversation. So
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Speaker 2: I'm hopeful that he can support his family as he
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Speaker 2: goes through this process. But it came to the point
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Speaker 2: where like somebody's got to go, here's something going on
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Speaker 2: in Mason. And if you look at the social media,
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Speaker 2: there's a whole lot of people saying exactly that. And
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Speaker 2: I knew there's been other issues there for a while.
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Speaker 2: Like I said, it's just it's so much different. I'm
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Speaker 2: going down, like I said, for predisciplinearing for Ama County today,
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Speaker 2: I'll see the hearing offer and we'll ask about each
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Speaker 2: other's families. It's not it's not supposed to be mortal combat.
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Speaker 2: It's it's police professionals. I have a role, they have
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Speaker 2: a role. We get along great everywhere else. We don't
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Speaker 2: always agree because I'm I'm for labor, there for management,
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Speaker 2: and occasionally we may disagree, but we don't have to
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Speaker 2: have a knife fight over it, and it's just it's
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Speaker 2: just it's just part of the job. But and for
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Speaker 2: some reason in Mason, even having somebody outside of Mason
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Speaker 2: involved in the representation process absolutely freaks them out. They
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Speaker 2: they don't want folks to know what's going on. Is
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Speaker 2: and Mason is all I can take from that, And
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Speaker 2: and that's in the end, that's what I smell a
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Speaker 2: little bit of here is some union busting. Maybe they
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Speaker 2: are so irritated that they switched counsel from who they
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Speaker 2: did have and that they now have what I think
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Speaker 2: is much more aggressive council when it comes to the
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Speaker 2: collective bargaining agreement oh yea and offers rights and things
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Speaker 2: of that, because we're at contract time right now. So
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Speaker 2: could that have something to do with it? I don't
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Speaker 2: I cannot go into her mindset. I don't know if
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Speaker 2: I want to.
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Speaker 1: The idea that a man could lose his career, a
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Speaker 1: life saving award winner, lose his career unblemished up until
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Speaker 1: the moment in time he wore a damn ball cap
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Speaker 1: is I don't think it's justifiable. It really is mind blowing.
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Speaker 1: I mean, there have been a lot of police officers
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Speaker 1: have been able to keep their jobs in spite of
18:34
Speaker 1: more egregious things going on, But here we have it. Well,
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Speaker 1: Dan Hills, I can't thank you for bringing it coming
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Speaker 1: on the show. Maybe someone from the City Mason can
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Speaker 1: explain this policy and why it's so important that while
18:44
Speaker 1: you can wear a ball cap with the shorts, you
18:46
Speaker 1: can't wear a ball cap with the regular uniform. Scratching
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Speaker 1: my head, Dan Hills, I appreciate you reaching out and
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Speaker 1: bringing this up on social media and coming on the
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Speaker 1: program to talk about it. Man, and I wish him
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Speaker 1: the best of luck. How long is it going to
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Speaker 1: take before this reaches its ultimate resolution? Dany park Company?
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Speaker 2: It can be several months arbitration. It's a long process.
19:05
Speaker 2: So yeah, and had me on talking about Ken Parker.
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna call him the police commissioner sometime.
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Speaker 1: You can hand me on to talk about that. Well,
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Speaker 1: I can bring you back if you want to hang
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Speaker 1: on for a minute.
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Speaker 2: Sure, I might not be as smooth. I gotta start
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Speaker 2: driving down towards my hearing, but yeah, I'll just hang
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Speaker 2: on the line six.
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Speaker 1: Three fifty minthkir City Talk station. I had Danny Dispenser
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Speaker 1: trafficking Waler, so we can get back to Dan Hills,
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Speaker 1: who's on his way Toway Hearing. In his capacity, he
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Speaker 1: is representing police officers in collective bargaining disputes over discipline
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Speaker 1: and the like. I'm moving away from that subject over
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Speaker 1: to the city hiring art getting entering into a contract
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Speaker 1: with former US Attorney Ken Parker. It's a two hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year consulting gig. He gets five hundred
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Speaker 1: per dollars per hour, which is a you know, decent
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Speaker 1: attorney rate, but it gets a maximum basically two hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year to do consulting work like reaching
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Speaker 1: out to the community, policy reform, conflict resolution. Dan your
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Speaker 1: reaction to this, I thought we had Iris Rollie in
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Speaker 1: this capacity.
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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's gonna be a little different with
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Speaker 2: mister Parker, who I've met several times and he's one
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Speaker 2: heck of a nice guy, smart guy. And so that's
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Speaker 2: what actually me and some other cops and retied cops
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Speaker 2: were texting around last night, and we call him the
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Speaker 2: Commissioner because look a little tongue in cheek time here, Brian,
20:27
Speaker 2: you might have noticed that it's a little bit hard
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Speaker 2: for big cities to hire a white guy to be
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Speaker 2: in charge of our police departments. As a matter of fact,
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Speaker 2: you know, it's like white guy need not apply. But
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Speaker 2: in this case here, I think they really like city Hall,
20:41
Speaker 2: that is, really likes Adam Henny, which is cool. I
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Speaker 2: like Adam Henny, and I think they would like him
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Speaker 2: to be in charge. But at the same time, I
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Speaker 2: think they want to be able to share the community
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Speaker 2: that really there's not a white man in charge, we
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Speaker 2: have somebody else. And that's where I could see Ken
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Speaker 2: Parker being put up almost as though he is like
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Speaker 2: the police commissioner and to have authority over decisions made
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Speaker 2: about the police department. That's how I think in the
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Speaker 2: long run, he'll be presented as as more or less
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Speaker 2: the facto head of the agency.
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Speaker 1: I would argue though, given his background as a US
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Speaker 1: attorney in a number of cases that he was involved with,
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Speaker 1: that he has a much greater air of legitimacy than
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Speaker 1: some like an activist like Iris Rawley.
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Speaker 2: Oh exactly. That's why I said. I think that's that's
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Speaker 2: what his role would be here. They can't have Irish
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Speaker 2: Rolling be the de factor of police chief. Although sometimes
21:38
Speaker 2: you'll hear all the time yes, but you know that
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Speaker 2: that's really a shame that anybody has to feel that way.
21:51
Speaker 2: So I think there they found something a little more palatable.
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Speaker 2: And and uh, mister Parker, because again, what they are
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Speaker 2: going to do is if they with Henny with the
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Speaker 2: you know, the eagle on his collar, that is something
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Speaker 2: that is quite rare in big cities with large black
22:07
Speaker 2: populations such as Cincinnati. They're not normally going to have
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Speaker 2: a white dude is the police chief. We've talked for
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Speaker 2: hours about all their resoning, why that's become the way
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Speaker 2: it is, and and in politics in twenty twenty six,
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Speaker 2: but you can see that they again they like they
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Speaker 2: like Adam Henny. My only beef with with Adam is
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Speaker 2: is that he signed the charges on the guy that
22:35
Speaker 2: was getting his tail whooped that that that seemed like
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Speaker 2: that seemed to me as though that he is somewhat
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Speaker 2: under the thumb of the manager when that happened. But
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Speaker 2: outside of that, I think the world of the guy,
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Speaker 2: and I'm glad he's going to be the chief, and
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Speaker 2: and and you know, look, I think it's the ridiculous
22:54
Speaker 2: for the taxpayers they have to pay all this money
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Speaker 2: for Ken Parker to be there when Adam Henry would
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Speaker 2: know how to run the agency just just fine. But
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Speaker 2: I think that they are going to put him up
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Speaker 2: as though, Hey, you know, we do have minority leadership
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Speaker 2: here at CPD. Look we've got Ken Parker.
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Speaker 1: Right right, Okay, okay, now that's what I think. It
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Speaker 1: sounds like you're generally optimistic about as we move forward,
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Speaker 1: that he's a better person. Maybe Iris Roley, but some
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Speaker 1: people suggest that the city manager has been the one
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Speaker 1: directing public safety issues. And do you believe that this gentleman,
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Speaker 1: mister Parker does have the knowledge and expertise to provide
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Speaker 1: advice on public safety issues, violence reduction, community police relations,
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Speaker 1: and police accountability, as well as youth engagement, which is
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Speaker 1: one of the reasons he's been hired. Does he have
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Speaker 1: those skills or are his skills at least demonstrably better
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Speaker 1: and more legitimate than someone like the city manager or
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Speaker 1: Irish Iris Roly.
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Speaker 2: Brian just he just took the words all out of
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Speaker 2: my mouth at a way, way way better than Irish Roly,
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Speaker 2: and yes, better than the city manager, who, as you
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Speaker 2: had said, is being seen as on all the strings
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Speaker 2: and the safety department, well you speak all the safety department,
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Speaker 2: in the police department, right, So yeah, he's he's there
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Speaker 2: to help the manager and to be that face of
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Speaker 2: a minority in the police department as as in leadership.
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Speaker 2: So I'm slightly optimistic about it. I think it's a
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Speaker 2: shame again that the city taxpayers have to pay out
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Speaker 2: like this when they have a fully qualified guy and
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Speaker 2: Adam Henney to be the police chief. But he's just
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Speaker 2: he's just missing that one, that one important.
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Speaker 1: I understand optics are important these days. Optics are important.
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Speaker 1: Dan Hill's good luck with you hearing today. Thanks again
24:46
Speaker 1: for bringing everbody up to speed on this whole thing
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Speaker 1: going on. Mason and I have Cheryl on the phone.
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Speaker 1: She's going to be commenting on this because she's connected
24:53
Speaker 1: with the matter you were talking about earlier and looking
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Speaker 1: forward to hearing what she is to say. And I
24:56
Speaker 1: think in advanced notice on little note screen there, it's
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Speaker 1: a thank you to you you Dan. So Dan, we'll
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Speaker 1: talk again real soon. Good luck today, and and you
25:03
Speaker 1: know we're always here for you if you've got other
25:05
Speaker 1: things you want to bring up.
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Speaker 2: All right, Brian, stay healthy, Okay, you too
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Speaker 1: Man, Thanks for that.