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Beyond Romance: A Meet Cute in Any Genre · The Margin Scrawls

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Welcome to the margin scrolls once again. Woohoo.
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Hey, Bubbies. It's been forever. If you didn't
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know, I'm Crystal. And I'm Sam. And we're back.
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Yes, we are. Before we go into today's topic,
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we want to talk really quickly about where we've
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been. And Crystal, do you want to start? Sure.
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It's been really big the past few months. We
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still want to be around and kick in because we
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have so much more we want to talk about. But
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I actually moved. I am no longer in the Texas
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neighborhood. I ended up moving a little further
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north. I'm in the mountains now. And I slipped
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into a depression spiral. Sorry. Don't mind admitting
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it. I had a rough couple of months between planning
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your 40th birthday, which was freaking Amazing.
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Oh, yeah, I had so much fun. I was so glad and
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I was so glad to see you looked amazing I was
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so happy to just see you happy Yeah, I loved
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everything about it and then I don't know man
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it seems like the weeks just kind of Fume and
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next thing I know it's August 1st and you guys
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are moving Yeah, a lot happens that is a lot
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to process and Depression all around just a whole
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round of depression drinks But you know now we're
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finally everything's starting to settle the dust
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is starting to clear and We're ready to come
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back and honestly, we're probably even more fortified
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on the strength that we want to help. We want
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to help people create. We want to help everybody
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create, truthfully, because we've always struggled
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with creating when it comes to taking the path
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that everyone tells you to take. So, you know,
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we're here because we've learned alternative
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methods of how to push through on our writing
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and our songwriting and our music, and we just
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want to share all of that with y 'all. So, um,
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on that note, what are we talking about today,
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Chris? We are talking about meet -cutes. Yes!
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I'm so excited. I love a really good meet -cute.
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And I'm worried that I'm going to ramble the
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hell on on this. Do you have a textbook definition,
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or as close to your words as possible, of what
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a meet -cute is? Okay, well, to sum up, a meet
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-cute is a... traditionally or commonly referred
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to as a fun or unusual first meeting between
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your main characters they could be both protagonists
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they could be on opposite ends which is kind
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of like the weird thing so like I kind of want
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to make it like a meet weird or Well or something
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else or a meat diabolical because it doesn't
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not have to be a cute meeting you're right actually
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right something between It's just it's just a
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character meets in your story. Yeah, um that
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is certainly the broader I absolutely agree that
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that's the broader explanation, but kind of reeling
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in and bringing it back It's the the term meet
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cute came from The term was first coined in a
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1938 American romantic comedy called Blue Bear's
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Eighth Wife, starring Claudette Colbert and Gary
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Cooper, which was one of grandma's favorite actors,
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actually. She liked Gary Cooper. That's the only
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reason that I know that he existed. So directed
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by Ernst Bluebitch, it's on the French Riviera.
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this guy wants to buy pajamas but he just needs
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tops. When the store refuses to sell the pajamas
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without the bottoms in comes Claudette Colbert
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and she's like I just need top I just need a
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top and he just needs a bottom and then boom
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they see each other and then maybe they share
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the bill of the whole pajamas and he takes the
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bottom she takes the tops and they start to walk
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away but wait Maybe there's more. So yeah, it's
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called a meet -cute because it's very, very connected
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as a trope to romance and romantic comedies and
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women's fiction novels and stuff like that that
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involve love. But I want to reinstate that I
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agree that a meet -cute is not always not cute.
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It's not always cute, but also a meet -cute is
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a position in a book or a story where characters
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meet like you said maybe it's the protagonist
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meeting their uh their villain antithesis they're
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meeting their antithesis um or because you know
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what there should be a little bit more stories
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where the villain is the i'm not talking about
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humanizing the villain i'm just saying you make
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a villain the main character of the story and
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make and let the good person like we all know
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it's the good person Be the antagonist. Oh, that's
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interesting. That's an interesting perspective.
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Let it happen. It's kind of like a. I don't know,
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it kind of makes me think of no. Yes, I'm going
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to say it kind of makes me think of the male
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loneliness epidemic. Why am I lonely when I'm
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an asshole? But we all know you answered your
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question, Kyle. All right. Anyway. Moving on.
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That's also the beauty of it. This is that literally
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Bluebeard's Eighth Wife is literally the coining
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of the phrase of something that existed since
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the beginning of storytelling. Right. So it's
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kind of just there's a name to the face now.
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Right. But Neat Cute is that's just the name
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to the face. Yeah. And there's different ways
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of applying this approach. to storytelling. Right,
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because if you think about it in a wide lens,
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what the meet -cute does, which we should just,
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I feel like this is the natural progression,
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we gotta talk about what it does now, it doesn't
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just introduce love. It doesn't have to just
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introduce love, at least that's how I'm seeing
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it. The meet -cute brings about character introduction,
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it illustrates chemistry going forward and that
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can be good chemistry but that can also be enemies
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to lovers or um or uh michael meyers meeting
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a victim you know what i mean like it could be
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anything it's just or maybe or maybe re -establishing
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a connection between two previously met characters
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oh yeah because i feel like that's also kind
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of a uh unfair boundary when you think about
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meet -cutes. Yeah. People meeting for the first
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time or maybe it should also be revised to seeing
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somebody for the first time. Yeah. People that
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you have already met but now there's a different
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lens on them. And being able to illustrate that
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through word. Yeah. I feel like that falls under
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the second chance romance trope. Yeah. So it's
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there but you're right there's always a fantastic
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way to spin it and I like what you're saying
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there particularly because it mother particularly
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because It hits home a little bit And that's
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all I'm gonna say about that Seeing someone for
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the first time dot dot dot the second time around
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Can't wait to make reels from these It's gonna
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be fun. All right, so like so how do you feel
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about what the meet cute does and and I know
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that you are What I loved about when we talked
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about this episode was that was the emphasis
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that you put on? Let's see where else this Device
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where else this plot device because that's what
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it is. It's a plot devices something meant to
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move the story forward You you put you wanted
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to put emphasis on how this device can translate
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into other genres, and I think that's brilliant
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because People have to meet you know you mean
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they have to meet anyway And it should be memorable
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whether it's cute or ugly or weird or diabolical
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like you said So in short indeed cute does not
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have to be romantic but Here's what a meet -cute
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should have, regardless of what story you are
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trying to write. There needs to be chemistry,
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curiosity, conflict, and possibilities that can
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stem from these two characters meeting. Sure,
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that's what it's all about. Absolutely. And there
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are essentially four core dynamics when writing
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your meet -cute. And this is based off of the
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book writing the romantic comedy from cute meets
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to joyous defeat, how to write screenplays that
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sell by Billy Meredith. That's a hell of a title.
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It is. And I wanted to do it justice. Guys, we'll
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put the book in the liner notes. Absolutely.
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There are four core dynamics for this meet cute,
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which is a pole pole, which is a mutual attraction
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between the two characters. A push -push, which
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is mutual disinterest or dislike, kind of like
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the two positive ends of a magnet pulling apart
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from each other. There is a push -pull. One likes
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while the other doesn't like. And then there's
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a neutral nervous. One character may like and
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the other's oblivious or they may both be oblivious.
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There's no surefire, I like you, I don't like
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you. There's just a... Neutral ground that needs
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probably a little bit more coaxing, right? It's
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really interesting to me how There are these
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four core dynamics and the thing is is like when
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you look at them and really analyze them they
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really There because there are so many tropes
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that like in terms of dynamics. There's so many
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tropes there are That it's impossible to know
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all of them. But the thing is is applying them
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to these four Seems like it can make it Easier
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to understand especially if you're a romance
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writer just starting out so like pull pull mutual
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it which is the mutual attraction one that could
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be like insta -love or I'm trying to think insta
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-love or I guess that would probably be covered
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would be it with the push push Which is the mutual
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dislike that's definitely enemies to lovers And
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that could also be a mutual disinterest. No,
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I think enemies to lovers covers it reader listeners
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guys if you can Pinpoint a trope and add it to
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one of these dynamics. Hit us up. Yes We'd be
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happy to shout it out. Put it on margin scrolls.
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It'll be great We'll put it on the IG page because
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we're gonna start adding more tips and tricks
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in infograph form So that should be cool Push
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-pull one like you one no likely he falls first
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she falls first There again so many little tropes
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There's another there's even a trope out there
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where the guys TSTL which is too stupid to live
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And basically his whole goal is to just be The
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heroine's boyfriend just he's just there to fall
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in love and be there. So that would definitely
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fall under Push -pull or maybe it's neutral nervous
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because yeah there are a lot of tropes where
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I kind of feel like the distinction between a
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push pull and a neutral nervous is more of an
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oblivious uh like they're just coexisting without
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knowing that they're coexisting there may be
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one character that notices the other across the
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room but that person doesn't turn around to look
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back at them so the meet cute isn't it's not
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quite across the room yes well it's not quite
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complete until they turn around well no that's
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what i'm saying yeah the neutral nervous is the
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person that observed the other across the room
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yeah and the person being observed across the
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room doesn't turn back because they don't know
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that that person's there right which is that
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that might be problematic but it would suck it
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was one of those things where the person feels
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like, oh, you're not looking at me. The meet
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-cute of the pole -pole didn't happen. Two people
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across the room get stars in their eyes, and
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suddenly the world, like, washes away. That doesn't
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happen. That doesn't happen, and it's just the
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person saying, how am I going to get this person
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to notice me? Yeah. And then that can go into
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a whole wacky direction of How far a person will
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go to get the other person to notice them. Yeah.
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And I think that's the distinction because I
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feel like the push pull is somebody. All right.
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Let's look going simple. Very simple. Let's think.
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Let's think Warner Brothers. Pepe with you and
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the cat. Okay. She is disinterested. Yeah. He
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wants him away. Yes. She wants to pull cat pulls.
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Let's think. Let's think. Let's think. Go Baba.
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Yes. Avek. Avek? Avek? But Pepe is actually really
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interested and he... Thirsty interested. Yes.
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There was no balance interest. That's right.
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That is a classic push -pull trope between the
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two... Rather dynamic. Yeah, but it's a push
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-pull dynamic between it and from Pepe Le Pew's
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perspective It's pole pole. It's insta love because
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he firmly believes that No, no me together. Well,
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no, yes Well here this is I feel like this is
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also a distinction to make with him Yeah, because
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he's very much aware that she plays hard to get
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but that's yeah I mean and that she's also fighting
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kismet between the two of them So he has a delusion
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that they're meant to be together. So it's not
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a, it's not a pull pull. No, no. Didn't I say
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push pull? No, you said pull pull. I didn't.
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Um, I, I stand corrected. I'm sorry. Cause yeah.
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All right. I meant from his, I meant from his
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perspective, it's, it's a push pull, which is
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just a wild thing to think about because like
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you said, he thinks that she's playing hard to
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get. He's delulu. He's delulu about it. Yeah.
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What does that do with me cute? Oh, I mean you
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can go many different directions you can go You
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can go fear with it Yeah, well, yeah, it could
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absolutely be a thriller. I guess the reactions
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are the three that are typical. It's either fight
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Fight fight or fawn. Yeah, and there have absolutely
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been cartoons where she's fawned Yeah, okay.
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Okay. Never mind just Well, there's also the
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other one where uh He chased her so much She
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fell into a thing of water and got sick and she
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lost her ability to smell and then she was like,
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oh wait You're attractive the picture of him
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walking away blue with that back. I was like,
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yeah And she absolutely was like wait a minute
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And then, and then it completely turned on its
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head. It still became a push -pull, but now she
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was pulling and he was pushing. Great. That's,
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and that's, that's great storytelling. When you
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really think about it. It is. Disguised as a
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children's, a children's cartoon. Yeah. It, yeah,
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absolutely. That is a great reverse uno on, uh.
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On Pepe. Yeah. And I'm going to try to post in
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the show notes or the companion page, I'm going
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to try to post the picture of Pepe Lapew walking
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away with the back. That big, that big back like,
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damn! He had the line. He had the line down the
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back and everything. Woo! And when he's covered
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in blue paint, he probably doesn't think. So
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the D might be safer. I don't know. Well, I mean,
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yeah, but also she can't smell so That's it.
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Don't matter. You eliminate the obstacle. It
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doesn't matter what you smell like by the way
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it's party time So, um What dynamics you naturally
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write? I'm not I know you're not a romance writer
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per se but like if you were to What trope do
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you think attracts you the most? Honestly, I
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feel like the push both is is a good one for
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me followed closely by a push push i definitely
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like the challenge i like the um i feel like
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mutual attraction is it's a very safe bet yeah
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and i not saying that it's a bad thing at all
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it not it's not yeah but also i kind of like
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I kind of like the opposites finally coming together,
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if they come together. I feel like there's a
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lot more interesting things to write within those
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parameters. You know, I'm inclined to agree.
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My favorite trope to write is enemies to lovers,
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where they hate each other and fall in love.
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So definitely push -pull is one of my dynamics.
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um i do dig the pole pole but i gotta say that
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with my age is coming um i don't know some cynicism
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yeah because insta love just doesn't seem feasible
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anymore i don't know yeah well i mean i feel
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because i i also feel like that is the unfair
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uh The unfair example that we were given as young
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impressionable girls thinking about true love
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and the instant, the instant love that happens
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between two people. Yeah, that's, it kind of
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does the instant attraction. It's kind of an
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unfair idea that we were given thinking that
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it exists as commonly as it does. Not to say
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that it doesn't exist. Not to say that it doesn't,
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but it's typically the exception and not the
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rule. And I also kind of feel, and this is going
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to sound a little, probably a little grumpy or
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something, but it feels like that trope, that
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connection feels like young love. It's both simple
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and complicated. I can't explain it. I mean,
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I do... I love the idea of meeting across the...
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I still... I still have dreams about, you know,
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being in a crowded room at a dance. You look
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to the side and he looks and it's Tom Hiddleston.
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It's the people part. Yeah, and it's Tom Hiddleston.
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And then the people part. You get out of my goddamn
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head. And he walks... I actually do want to ask
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you what... which... one do you enjoy watching
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which dynamic or if you can pick a trope that's
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cool too um i mean i feel like i like i feel
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like i like watching when i would want to write
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myself yeah that makes sense yeah i i i mean
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it can't be too bad because i get second -hand
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embarrassment really easy i love that like to
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the point where i want to like I want to turtle
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myself into my shirt and absolutely remove myself.
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The last time I got secondhand embarrassment
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was... I was actually watching Ted Lasso and
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it had nothing to do with romance. It was a scene
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where Rebecca was trying way too hard to prove
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that she was a feminist. Oh. And yeah, I was
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like, oh! I love you, but I can't watch. Oh,
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God. Oh, God. That's terrible. And then you just
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slowly want to sink into the floor and then crawl
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away. Yeah, it can't be too bad for me because,
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like, I get second -hand embarrassment. You know,
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I'm kind of thinking that I've seen that. I'm
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going to have to start just grabbing you and
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hugging you when it happens so that we can stick
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it out. Like, I've literally told myself, I'm
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not here. I'm not actually there. I can't see
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this. I can't see this. Did you ever do you ever
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get secondhand embarrassment and cackle? Like
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it's like you're trying to believe it's just
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the funniest thing in the world. You're like,
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I don't think I've done it like that. I have.
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I literally. I can't. I I kind of treat it like
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it's a horror movie where I'm just sitting there
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and I'm just going, oh, I can't watch this. oh
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this is it and i'll get up i'll walk around i'll
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pace i uh i i distract myself any way i can but
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i just i'm very silent i am silently i'm homer
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receding into the hedges that's that's me i'm
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just nope i've been homer receding into the into
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the hedges like in the middle of a situation
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Like, I say something and I've said something
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to someone recently where I was like, God, why
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did you say that? And it was a romance coin to
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thing. I literally, okay, so I guess this is
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what comes with age, where I have been told something
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awkward. Something that I feel like if I were
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19, I would have hung on to the word and just
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been like, oh my gosh, you like me. And through
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my experience, I know that this is a love bombing.
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You don't actually, what you're saying to me,
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you don't believe yourself. You're just hoping
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that I'll believe it so that you can take advantage
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of me and my vulnerabilities. But instead, I
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said absolutely not. And I just turned and walked.
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Can I tell the story of one of your meet -cutes?
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From when you were a kid? I think you were 16
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at the time? We were walking down Broadway and
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we were approaching these two cute guys. And
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they were definitely of your age, not mine. And
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one of them was like, hey. And you were like,
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ew! okay so he said hey girl yeah he said hey
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girl you were like ew shut up exactly i mean
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i you weren't ready that's that's a clear cut
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sign that you weren't ready and that's okay that
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is okay but also i we don't know how to take
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compliments As somebody who, all right, in my
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16s, my teenage years, that was the phase where
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I was wearing your hand -me -downs. So I was
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frumpy naturally and I felt like I didn't take
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care of myself. And it's just like if you are
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hitting on me for looking the way that I do right
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now, the way that I feel right now, you don't
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have good intentions because I'm clearly vulnerable.
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I clearly do not like myself. You're not gonna
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like me either. My cat was right about you. Oh
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god. Yeah, it's uh, it's uh, me cutes are fun.
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They're funny. They are nutso to talk about and
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get into. Um, so I - But you like - Speaking
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of - This feels like this is a good time. Yeah.
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Speaking of which ones we enjoy watching. Let's
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actually go into a few examples of Let's talk
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about me cute And these ones are absolutely within
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the romance tropes themselves. They're legendary.
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They're iconic. Yes, they're iconic Do you want
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to start you pick pick one of the three we chose
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three? To talk about because we didn't want to
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end up going for three hours because we absolutely
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could yeah, so we picked three so How do you
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want to do it Chris? Do you want to start from
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small and work our way up or to the you know?
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I mean, I feel like these are all go big type
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of they I mean they definitely are but I guess
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like I'm kind of referring to the number of meet
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cutes like compares With the first with the first
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movie that I'm looking at There's just one. No,
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there's there is two meet cutes. There's two.
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There's at least two. No, there's two here. The
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ones that we have chosen, all of them have multiple
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meet cutes. Yeah, yeah. There are different layers
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to these characters' meaning. Yeah, that's right.
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So to pull off the band -aid, the titles that
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we have chosen are The Holiday, 51st Dates, and
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Something's Gotta Go. And they're all so perfect.
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Let's talk about it. Let's start on the holiday,
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actually. Yeah. All right, so the holiday, we
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are, everybody knows the movie. I personally
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watch it every single Christmas. For those who
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don't know, the holiday, it came out in 2006.
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It is classified as a romantic comedy starring
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Cameron Diaz, Jude Law, Kate Winslet, and Jack
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Black. which the absolute wild card of adding
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a romantic interest like him it's so unconventional
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and i'm so glad that they did it that was the
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wild card that got me to watch the movie yeah
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exactly i was like what jack black in a rom -com
28:27
give me yeah absolutely So we're gonna talk about
28:34
the three main relationships here and then we
28:36
can get into what their meet -cutes were about
28:39
and we can talk about what was cool is that we
28:43
found a couple of, we found some things that
28:46
sort of support our idea that, our theory I guess,
28:51
that meet -cutes are just as essential to any
28:56
genre as they are to the romance genre. So the
29:01
holiday. So you mentioned that the movie again
29:04
has three, right? The holiday? Yeah. Yeah, we
29:09
have three. So we've got Iris and Miles played
29:12
by Kate Winslet and Jack Black. We've got Amanda
29:16
and Graham. That is our Cameron Diaz Jude Law
29:20
combo. And then the sweetest one of all of them,
29:24
Iris and Arthur. And you had mentioned that the
29:30
holiday is sort of a parody of itself because
29:34
of how much emphasis they put on the meet cute
29:36
and that's why i wanted to talk about iris and
29:38
arthur first because that's where the parody
29:40
is you know what i mean like iris and arthur
29:42
meet because arthur is uh lost on a walk and
29:46
she pulls over and she helps him home um after
29:49
their get together she helps him home she lets
29:51
him in she finds out that he's like this amazing
29:53
writer he has an oscar and a screenwriters guild
29:56
awards and all of this The interaction ends with,
30:00
well, Arthur says, well, that was some meat,
30:03
cute. And Kate, of course, completely charmed
30:07
by him, asks what that is, and he tells her about
30:12
Bluebeard's eighth wife that we referenced in
30:16
the beginning. He doesn't, yeah, he doesn't go
30:18
into the details about the director or the actors
30:21
or anything, but he goes, I think he says something
30:23
along the lines of like, picture it. A man walks
30:25
into a store looking for pajama bottoms. A woman
30:29
walks into the store looking just for the tops.
30:31
They turn and see each other. And that's how
30:33
he describes it. And that sets off a really,
30:38
really sweet relationship between Iris and Arthur,
30:40
one that probably saved Arthur's life. So, which
30:46
one is your favorite couple and why? For as much
30:54
as you remember, because I know you haven't seen
30:55
the movie in a while, right? Yeah, I usually
30:58
take that movie out every once in a while. Yeah,
31:01
that's my annual. I run into it. Like, I don't
31:03
actively search it out, but if I see it, I will
31:08
sit and watch it. Um, but I honestly I feel like
31:13
the most unconventional one would be Arthur and
31:16
Iris just because of how it's not romantic and
31:23
It's not it's because you think me cute and you
31:27
think romance. Yeah or or arch enemies you don't
31:32
think of the meeting between Two friends that
31:37
were meant to be in each other's lives and there
31:39
and what's what's great is that there was a kind
31:41
of a spark between the two of them anyway like
31:45
the fact that he was walking she saw him and
31:49
then when they first started interacting there
31:52
was kind of a pull pull not in that it was a
31:59
charged type of thing right no it was just it
32:02
was it wasn't accepting it was an equal it was
32:08
It was an equal accepting of each other's presence.
32:11
I was just going to say, yeah, right. I was going
32:15
to say one, like, it's kind of like one soul
32:17
acknowledging another. One like, one like soul
32:20
acknowledging the other. Exactly. Yeah. And yeah.
32:24
And it's not like star crossed or anything. It's
32:26
not like there was this huge collision. It was
32:29
a very sweet moment that was very welcoming on
32:32
both parties. Yeah. And they ended up developing
32:36
even further. as a very safe and enjoyable development
32:44
of a relationship. Well, they both needed each
32:47
other. He was isolated and alone and mobility
32:51
challenged. Iris was absolutely heartbroken.
32:55
A fish out of water, no friends to speak of.
33:00
And yeah, it was just really fortuitous. It was
33:03
really fortuitous that they that they were able
33:06
to meet. And I I like to imagine that that relationship
33:10
lasted for the rest of Arthur's days. Because
33:14
Arthur was such a sweet guy. Amanda and Graham,
33:20
I'm thinking about their connection, their meet
33:23
-cute, and which one of the dynamics it falls
33:27
under. So I'll describe it to you, and you tell
33:30
me what you think. Amanda and Graham, we already
33:33
know that Amanda... has broken up with her boyfriend
33:36
because he cheated on her with his assistant
33:39
and she has switched houses and gone to England
33:43
for the entire holiday. Iris had promised Amanda
33:49
there are no men around so Amanda is you know
33:56
she's doing her thing I think she even ends up
33:59
deciding to leave that same like that very night
34:01
she's like i'm just gonna leave in the morning
34:03
this is stupid i shouldn't have done this when
34:05
there's a knock on her door in the middle of
34:06
the night and that's how we find graham graham
34:10
is iris's brother who drunk who tends to who
34:15
explains to her that like my sister is iris i
34:19
only do this when i'm inordinate what is really
34:22
oh my god i gotta say it right inordinately pissed
34:25
and uh I guess after that initial meeting it
34:34
must have been pole pole because they legitimately
34:38
gravitated towards kissing within an hour of
34:42
him being there. So I guess that would be a pole
34:46
pole. And then as far as Iris and Miles goes,
34:54
that was really awesome when it started because
34:56
it began as a friendship. And I think as the
35:00
watcher or if it were book the reader You're
35:03
probably already knowing going in like they're
35:06
gonna end up together You know what I mean? Like
35:07
if you watch romantic comedies like I do, you
35:09
know Oh, these two are gonna be the ones that
35:11
get together, but he has a girlfriend initially.
35:14
Yeah and It it takes them down a really cool
35:20
path because Whereas Amanda and Graham started
35:24
sexually charged Iris and miles Iris and Myros
35:28
had their connection and they developed software.
35:32
But this is also the other thing. This is where
35:34
they could also possibly, in the long term of
35:39
it, they are a neutral dynamic. So yes, there
35:47
was a little bit of connection where they became
35:50
friends. something slowly developed where they
35:55
wanted to spend more time together. And then
35:59
at the same time, they are oblivious of why they
36:04
wanted to spend so much time together. Because
36:08
they were discovering, actually, we may have
36:11
a deeper connection than I thought. Yeah, that's
36:13
a good point. And then all of a sudden there's
36:14
a realization where it was just like, well, I'm
36:18
pining over this person who broke my heart. I
36:21
didn't want to be around them. But now I'm realizing
36:24
my good days, my those fun moments where I get
36:28
to laugh again is with this person. Yeah. And
36:33
suddenly there is a pull pull between the two
36:36
of them. It's a realization. Yeah, I agree. I
36:40
feel like it's more of a neutral slash nervous
36:43
dynamic more than anything else, just because
36:47
there is no magnetic Reaction between them thinking
36:54
more about that. I'm gonna absolutely agree with
36:56
you because When Graham came in and she saw Jude
37:01
Law There is even a scene where she's like fixing
37:05
her hair and like he turns around and puts his
37:08
clothes in the closet And she's like adjusting
37:09
her pants and fixing her hair. So like there
37:12
must have been an attraction there to be Yeah,
37:16
I got to fix myself and then You know and then
37:20
and he was certainly oblivious because he was
37:22
drunk as hell. Yeah, so I think you are spot
37:25
-on cool And we have 51st dates which was released
37:31
in February 13th 2004 Yes, I can't believe it
37:37
was that long ago. I know One of my favorite
37:41
Adam Sandler movies starring him and Drew Barrymore
37:44
as Henry and Lucy Screenplay by George Wing and
37:49
directed by Peter Seagal. Let's talk about that
37:53
meat cute. Left. Or that meat cute or that meat
37:57
cute. Or the other one or the other one. There
38:02
are so many meat cutes for the two of those.
38:06
And I love that this movie kind of just goes
38:10
over the same. Yeah, I mean I I know you've said
38:18
it before off camera that this was kind of like
38:22
a master class in In the meat cute. Oh, yeah
38:27
easily Yeah, it really is a good demonstration
38:31
of Someone's ability to understand right right
38:35
right how mr. Wing himself was able to Understand
38:39
absolutely it was so wonderfully written and
38:44
while I know that it's not this probably isn't
38:47
a popular opinion, I think there's something
38:49
to be said about the action of the actions of
38:54
Harry, honestly, that here's a man who committed
38:57
to meet -cuting every single day for the rest
39:02
of his life. And also being able to take the
39:05
hits of it as well. Yeah, right. To take the
39:07
hits, the misses. Yeah, we kind of got to see
39:11
how the rejection was also, like, it's the same
39:16
thing wasn't going to happen every day. Right.
39:18
And it also depended on her frame, her frame
39:23
of mind. Like, it just goes to show she wasn't
39:25
just reliving the same day. She was stuck in
39:30
the same day. Yeah, but she also experiences
39:33
things. Yeah. Since we have so many, because
39:37
I'm, you know, Oh, this movie is so amazing in
39:41
so many ways, but what I do like about it is
39:44
the whole point of it being a masterclass in
39:47
Meat Cutes because the writer turned it on its
39:52
head every single time. Every single time. So
39:56
like, for instance, there were so many. Like,
40:00
my favorite of the Meat Cutes in this movie is
40:03
probably the one where he pretends he can't read.
40:08
Yeah. It's I know that's I know that we should
40:12
not be making fun of illiterate people But he
40:15
was desperate and he wanted Lucy the sweet -hearted
40:19
teacher because he knew she was a teacher To
40:23
give him some time so Pam clogs and that's all
40:27
I'll say So which one is your favorite My favorite
40:39
is when when Adam Henry had his friend Ula played
40:46
by Dan Schneider. Rob. No, no. I'm gonna take
40:54
a Molokai on that one. I'm gonna take a Molokai
40:57
on that one. Oh, for fuck's sake. Okay. Alright.
41:05
So my favorite one is when Adam Sandler's Henry
41:11
has his friend, Oola, played by Rob Schneider.
41:18
R -O -B. Pretend to rob him. You know, I forgot
41:26
all about that one. That is hysterical. And Lucy
41:29
gets out of the car. and proceeds to wail on
41:35
Ula with a metal bat. I mean, I guess this shows
41:43
how unhinged I can be. I was going to say, we're
41:45
not supposed to like ass whoopings this much,
41:48
but I dug the hell out of that. She fucking wailed
41:51
on him. unnerved Henry, you were able to see
41:59
that he got to see a new layer of Lily. Yes,
42:02
and that truly was a brand new meet -cute because
42:04
he got to see the crazy. Yeah, and like I think
42:07
that's... I love that in this movie we got to
42:12
see different stages of her as a progression,
42:16
like what you would naturally see as a progression
42:18
in a relationship, but this is still also first
42:23
time meeting for one of the characters. Right,
42:27
right. But also he's getting to see a new version
42:30
of her every time too. That's right. So yeah,
42:35
I think that was that one was my favorite. I
42:38
love everything about that. Listeners, I'm going
42:41
to try. You crazy bitch. Yeah, keep running.
42:44
And she did that. And then she did that little
42:46
sweet, yeah. Oh, that was perfect. I would love.
42:53
Yeah, I would love to. I have to go watch it
42:56
again. I think I do. I mean, would I love to
42:58
meet Drew Barrymore and talk to her all about
42:59
this on her couch on her show? Yes. So, um, I
43:06
think The Fifty First Dates was a really great
43:09
movie to add, but we do have one more and we
43:12
do got to kind of push forward. So this one definitely
43:15
makes me really happy. It's one of my favorites.
43:20
Brought me into the world of romances after 40
43:25
And it got me it actually it helped build me
43:30
up to what I'm writing right now because I You
43:33
know my idea is well, obviously I am over 40
43:36
So all of my character is going to be over 40
43:38
at this point They're probably you know all going
43:42
to be About the same age about the same cynicism
43:46
about the same toughness and all of that. I know
43:48
that doesn't exactly make me sound like a great
43:51
writer, but It's always where I start anyway
43:55
this movie something's got to give was released
43:59
in 2003 it was written and directed by the incredible
44:04
Nancy Meyer and it stars I mean it's a it's a
44:10
cast of Amazing people we've got Diane Keaton
44:14
playing Erica Jack Nicholson playing the great
44:18
elusive bachelor Harry Sanborn, we've got Keanu
44:22
Reeves as Dr. Julian, Amanda Peet as Marin, and
44:28
my homegirl Frances McDormand playing Erica's
44:34
sister Zoe. And I really oh and also a minor
44:38
shout out to John Favreau because he played Leo,
44:40
Harry's assistant, and he's absolutely freaking
44:42
adorable in it so moving on. Do you remember
44:46
do you remember something's got to give because
44:48
I watch this movie often like I probably watch
44:51
it once a month I Okay, so it has absolutely
44:55
nothing to do with meet cute, but I attribute
45:01
to Erica's absolute mental breakdown and fervor
45:11
After her breakup with Harry spoilers. I attribute
45:21
that to my own writing process. Like you're just
45:25
in the zone. And then she just keeps writing.
45:33
Like it's I absolutely relate to that so much
45:38
and didn't realize that that could be a writing
45:41
process. I mean, we can actually talk about it.
45:46
I think it'd actually be fun to do a segment
45:49
where we talk about writing, like Erica, writing
45:52
with fervor and not letting the heartbreak and
45:56
the emotions that can shut you down end you.
45:59
Exactly, yeah. That's actually a great thing.
46:02
I think we should do that, too, down the line
46:04
or soon. I think that was absolutely masterful
46:08
on the late greats. Ms. Keaton's part. Nobody
46:14
did it like her. Nobody fell for her like she
46:17
did. Not just something we've got to give, but
46:18
we're talking First Wives Club. All of her movies,
46:26
there's one scene. I'm sorry! She has her blow
46:31
up and it's amazing. It's freaking. And Diane
46:34
Keaton and Annie Hall is just incredible. I don't
46:37
know if you've seen it yet, but I did get to
46:39
see it. I hate the shit out of Woody Allen's
46:44
character, but I love Diane Keaton. She's such
46:47
a mess, and I adore it. I got to see Annie Hall
46:50
once, and I saw it years ago. Years ago, they
46:57
did movies in Central Park. Oh, very cool. And
47:01
so I got to see it on the grass. On the lawn.
47:06
On a blanket. Oh, I love it. On the sun setting.
47:11
In New York, watching Annie Hall, that was an
47:16
experience in itself. That sounds amazing. But
47:22
yes, the meet -cutes for Something's Gotta Give,
47:25
which is absolutely unconventional in some...
47:31
Well, back then... we saw it was kind of cookie
47:36
cutter and just kind of broke it apart just a
47:38
little bit where we had the older younger and
47:42
then turning it on its head because a lot of
47:48
romance when we were younger happened to younger
47:51
people. We didn't commonly see a woman who was
47:55
well established in her life. She had her life
47:59
together. And then this bachelor comes in. What
48:06
is he doing with those younger girls? Yeah, and
48:10
he had a really big self -inflated ego because
48:14
he was an escape artist. Newspapers were writing
48:17
about him. And the fact that she was able to
48:25
catch his attention. And it was also really weird
48:29
the way that they... Yeah, the way that he started
48:33
getting interested in her was when he, spoilers,
48:37
had a heart attack and ended up having to stay
48:39
with Erica because they didn't want him to leave
48:42
Long Island while he recovered. And it all kicks
48:46
off later that night when he's walking to what
48:50
he thinks is the bathroom or the kitchen or something.
48:53
She's walking to her bathroom. and he sees her
48:56
naked. Because she's in her bedroom, she's just
48:59
taking her clothes off as she walks to the bathroom,
49:01
which I guess is a natural thing to do. I don't
49:04
do it. I mean, if you're in your own house, but
49:08
it's your own house, right? I'm sure it's one
49:11
of those things that he kept himself scarce enough
49:14
where she just forgot. I'm just in my element.
49:19
I'm in my natural comfort in my own home. Going
49:27
Going to get a drink. Yeah My favorite part about
49:32
the whole thing. It's a it's a crazy awkward
49:35
scene. I um, I Might have gotten a little initially
49:39
secondhand embarrassment for it because she because
49:42
Diane. Oh She plays it amazing. Well, I mean
49:45
at Jack Nicholson did it like he oh, oh, oh,
49:49
no You don't mean and she's like What's great
49:53
though is I remember that one scene Where he's
49:56
like, I'm so sorry, but he like kind of He still
50:01
wanted to see where he was like, oh, I'm so sorry.
50:04
God. I'm so sorry, but still looking I'm Sorry,
50:12
not sorry that was but I think that fuck But
50:22
I think that's also the thing because like you're
50:25
You started like a guy starting a relationship
50:27
with her daughter. Yeah, that's a new body and
50:32
then body type There's also the process of that
50:36
is my partner's mother Yep, and then you It almost
50:43
seems like and he's never he'd never seen about
50:46
a naked woman body over 50 before Yeah, maybe
50:49
even over 30 And then probably was just like,
50:53
oh wait, that's not bad what I'm seeing. Yeah,
51:00
yeah. And meanwhile, Erica is probably well aware
51:04
of the fact that she's over 50 and naked in front
51:07
of this dude that only sleeps with young spring
51:11
chickens. I mean, it's not even just the spring
51:13
chicken. Her daughter is the spring chicken.
51:17
She knows that there is a relationship there.
51:20
I think it's more on that because I feel like
51:22
Diane's character, like Erika, she's not, what's
51:31
the word? Insecure. Insecure. There is the word.
51:35
She's not insecure. She is well established.
51:37
She knows her worth and she has a confidence
51:41
about her. She knows what she said in life. She
51:45
knows what she can get done for herself. Yeah,
51:48
it's the fact of this guy who's with my daughter,
51:52
which I disapprove of anyway, is looking at me.
51:57
I feel like that's more of the depth of her absolutely
52:03
rational screaming of her head off. I definitely
52:07
can agree with that for sure. There was, okay,
52:12
so we're talking about all these amazing moments,
52:14
but we actually haven't hit the first meet -cute
52:17
in the movie yet, which is, I'm gonna try to
52:20
do this quickly because you see when I start
52:22
talking, I get into storytelling mode and I start
52:24
slowing down. Yeah. I'm trying to stop. Go ahead.
52:27
I'm working on it, guys. I swear to you, I'm
52:28
working on it. Okay, so the actual meet -cute.
52:32
The actual meet -cute happens when... Harry and
52:35
Maren, who is played by Amanda Peete, they're
52:38
getting their really romantic weekend in Amanda's
52:42
house on Long Island or her mother's house. They
52:45
know it's her mother's house and she is going
52:49
to get ready. He is about to go look in the fridge
52:51
and he's got no pants on, just a shirt, opens
52:54
the door and he's looking. The kitchen door opens
52:56
and in walks Erica and her sister Zoe. And all
53:00
they see are naked legs coming out from under
53:03
the refrigerator. So Zoe grabs a knife and Diane
53:06
Keaton calls the cops. And it becomes this standoff
53:10
until Erica finally accepts that this guy is
53:15
here with her daughter. And there is you meet
53:19
cute for those two. Yep. And absolute push push
53:23
over. Yeah. Oh, God, for sure. Because like this,
53:27
that's. I think that's the great analysis for
53:31
that type. We also see a push -pull between Dr.
53:38
Julian and Erica. Oh yeah, beautiful push -pull.
53:41
And she's so good at being oblivious. All three
53:46
of them are fawning over him. He brings them
53:49
the green tea and they're all like, thank you
53:51
doctor. Yeah, and then Zoe, Zoe blinks her eyes
53:56
up at him. Yeah, and Diana's like, oh, oh, that's
54:00
hot. Oh, thank you. She doesn't, Erica, Erica
54:04
did oblivious well. Yes, yes she did. So this,
54:09
this movie is like chock full of these amazing
54:13
moments that cover, that do cover the four core
54:16
dynamics because we get to see the pull pull
54:19
eventually between Erica and Julian, we eventually
54:24
get to see the push -pull between Erica and Harry,
54:29
and then again when it flips around. When, you
54:33
know, he realizes he loves her and she goes and
54:36
kills him in her place. So yeah, I think that
54:43
this is a really great example of talking about
54:47
Me Cutes. It was really well written and You
54:50
know the direction was great and the actors of
54:53
course were phenomenal What is your favorite
54:57
moment about that movie and it can be me cute,
54:59
but it doesn't have to be It is not me cute the
55:07
first thing that comes to mind is when Harry
55:11
is recovering from the anesthesia And he's like
55:16
walking down the hall and bare -ass They're like
55:20
the nurses are ushering back. I'd like to see
55:22
that I'd like to see that and then the very end
55:27
when they're running somebody to get it So like
55:38
there's so many meat keeps but I love when they're
55:44
There's an example that you can do it more than
55:47
one way. Yeah in the same story. I like that
55:51
it just it kind of just loosens the The stringent
55:57
idea that a meet cute can only have way and it
56:00
does elevate the story. Yeah, absolutely I Mean,
56:04
I'm sure there are situations where something
56:06
like this where things like, you know the holiday
56:08
and 50 first dates just don't work but There
56:14
was a time when these dynamics, these types of
56:18
relationships were not talked about like you
56:20
said, like you mentioned. It wasn't common to
56:23
see a successful woman late in life. And it wasn't
56:29
common, and while it was common to see an older
56:33
guy with a younger girl, what's not common, at
56:36
least not mentally I think, is that Seeing him
56:43
go from younger women to an older one Do you
56:48
know what I mean? Like a thing like that. They
56:51
didn't start showing growth like that. I don't
56:53
think I I mean listeners I invite you to correct
56:57
me please like if you know of movies where a
57:02
Guy is a consummate bachelor with a specific
57:06
Lean towards younger women but then switches
57:10
up and falls in love with an older woman who's
57:14
more age -appropriate? I do feel like this is
57:17
also something that we've seen a lot in cinema,
57:23
where not that the guy suddenly went from much
57:27
younger to someone more age -appropriate for
57:30
him, it's just the fact that women in cinema
57:36
weren't seen as the love interest if they weren't
57:43
20s or younger yeah like like there's a cutoff
57:47
point or something yeah oh we can quote the first
57:51
wives club on that yeah another amazing Diane
57:57
Keaton film yep when women wait no no no no you
58:03
don't understand in Hollywood there are three
58:06
types of women Something some oh something district
58:12
attorney and driving this daisy. Oh young district
58:15
attorney driving this daisy. Yeah Or, you know
58:20
when women when women hit a certain age it's
58:23
bye -bye love. Hello pop tarts I'm not true at
58:29
all you guys not true at all. You know what?
58:32
I've had both unless you want pop tarts Have
58:35
you ever put butter on a pot tart? It's so freaking
58:38
good! I actually did try that and I was like,
58:42
eh, it's okay. Rich said he loved it. Rich said
58:46
he loved it. It's got me interested in maybe
58:51
putting a little butter in a pan. and putting
58:56
it on top. Just dunk the whole pop -tart in it.
58:59
No, no, like a thin layer of butter, Jesus Christus.
59:04
Like one of the unglazed ones. One of the plain
59:07
guys. I felt the whole stick, do it. Flip it
59:09
and just flip the pop -tart like an omelette
59:11
and make it this crunchy, crispy thing. Who's
59:16
that? Oh, okay. I felt the body on my leg, it
59:21
was Alfie. Tell you it's like having a kid in
59:26
the house. He's the size of he's the size of
59:30
a three -year -old So Would meet keeps like this
59:35
work today That's an interesting question in
59:39
this whole world of technology and The fact that
59:45
I mean for me it just feels like transactional
59:48
now Yeah, a lot of things are transactional.
59:51
It doesn't seem like there's a lot of room to
59:54
Connect nowadays, but I think I mean I think
59:57
there could be opportunity. There's certainly
59:59
there's certainly opportunity there I mean like
1:00:02
for instance the holiday If that were Airbnb
1:00:07
The connection it wouldn't actually you know
1:00:12
what based on the holiday it wouldn't even matter
1:00:15
or might not it might not unless you have Unless
1:00:19
you have an absent -minded Airbnb host Like Iris
1:00:22
was to forget to tell her brother. I'm not gonna
1:00:25
be there. Yeah, so I Would say the holiday what
1:00:30
holiday does still happen nowadays? What do you
1:00:34
think about 51st date? Oh God I Don't know I
1:00:44
I don't think I feel like the 51st date is the
1:00:49
exception not the rule of oh sure interaction
1:00:52
yeah because it absolutely is a whimsical take
1:00:56
on love at first sight and keeping the spark
1:01:00
alive yeah and that is a lot of attention span
1:01:06
i don't know if we're if any of us are capable
1:01:11
of that in current time it's both sad and funny
1:01:17
because you're right uh with today's attention
1:01:21
span and honestly, I don't know who's raising
1:01:24
some of these kids, but the connection to things
1:01:28
like human connection and Human experience and
1:01:34
Love Respecting someone as a human being it's
1:01:41
rare I don't like I mean, I guess truthfully
1:01:44
any of these interactions could be like so like
1:01:47
in For instance, in Something's Gotta Give, Harry
1:01:54
might have gotten shot. No question. In 2026.
1:02:01
Because two women walk into a house, all they
1:02:04
see is a guy. I feel like women today are doing
1:02:09
the shoot first, ask questions later thing. That
1:02:13
could make sense, yeah. With immediate threats.
1:02:16
Yeah. and that's probably a shit take but I'm
1:02:20
just it's what I see so I welcome debate guys
1:02:24
if you don't feel like that please let me know
1:02:26
how you feel I like new perspectives so what
1:02:31
do you think about the idea what do you think
1:02:33
about the concept of meet cute I know that I
1:02:37
know that most people do not live their lives
1:02:40
in plot devices but You know hindsight will tell
1:02:46
you when something in life is a meat cube Yeah,
1:02:49
so like yeah, I mean it's it's just kind of reminds
1:02:54
me of the film you've got mail or I feel like
1:02:57
that would be advent of How we interact online
1:03:02
in terms of finding romance. Oh sure sure I mean
1:03:09
when I AOL was the huge thing with chat rooms
1:03:13
and everyone being able to instantly get to talk
1:03:19
to somebody without actually seeing their face.
1:03:23
I feel like that is the precursor to how we interact
1:03:27
romantically in current times. AOL doesn't exist
1:03:31
anymore, crazy thought, but it has evolved into
1:03:35
other things. So yeah, absolutely. I feel like
1:03:38
There could be a group zoom meeting and you see
1:03:41
somebody and you find a way to to Reach out to
1:03:46
them. Yeah same thing with Any any concept that
1:03:53
involves multiple people interacting simultaneously?
1:03:57
Online that's the opportunity it invited Yeah,
1:04:01
perfect. Perfect. I mean I have the perfect meet
1:04:05
cute for technology And this was once upon a
1:04:11
time, it was... I'm not gonna date myself, so
1:04:18
not too much. I met my husband online. That's
1:04:25
right, that's right. We were playing Call of
1:04:27
Duty and it was absolutely a push -pull scenario.
1:04:32
I remember that. He killed me and I hated him.
1:04:37
and I was not afraid to let him know that and
1:04:41
he thought that I was so spicy in my commenting
1:04:45
toward him that he was like you're a hell of
1:04:48
a woman I'm gonna marry you and here we are and
1:04:54
here we are yeah I met my partner the same way
1:05:00
online I was down here in Texas I had been ghosted
1:05:05
by like three dudes And I had all I had met all
1:05:09
of them in person. So I was like I Don't what
1:05:14
what what even is dating in Texas? I don't think
1:05:17
I want to do this so I I gave it one more shot
1:05:21
and I joined a local community group and I Got
1:05:27
the you know in a comment. Hey, can I do it?
1:05:29
Can I privately message you which is the courteous
1:05:32
thing to do? I said, yes, we started talking
1:05:36
Here we are almost 10 years later. So. Yeah,
1:05:41
it is possible. It is? Yeah, it's possible. Meet
1:05:44
Cutes do happen. They're just not what we're
1:05:46
used to. Yeah, no, because like we, I mean, we're
1:05:51
conditioned as little girls through the Disney
1:05:54
experience of finding love that is so transcendent.
1:06:02
And None of it is logical, and it's like, love
1:06:08
does crazy things. Which opens up a whole other
1:06:12
can of worms that is a completely different conversation
1:06:17
to have. But we are conditioned to receive this
1:06:29
transcendent love like it's a common thing, and
1:06:32
it's not. It's absolutely unrealistic. It is
1:06:34
not. I mean, you can call to really hurt ourselves
1:06:38
to the end. You can. You can cultivate that love,
1:06:42
though. If you and your partner are working together
1:06:46
and you're on the same page, that kind of love
1:06:49
can be cultivated. And obviously, it's not something
1:06:53
that. You know continues to pulse and stay at
1:06:57
the same level when you're with somebody especially
1:06:59
long -term there tend to be peaks and valleys
1:07:02
and But that transcendent love is still there
1:07:07
It just happens to blossom in smaller places
1:07:10
over the years. Do you know what I mean? Yeah
1:07:12
So I think that we should probably move on to
1:07:17
the next segment. I want to step forward to where
1:07:21
we're now talking about Going back beyond yes
1:07:26
Talking about what we were talking about earlier,
1:07:29
which is that a meet cute is not just for romance
1:07:32
It isn't an important device that can span across
1:07:36
all genres and we're gonna talk about you right
1:07:39
now So what let's see um Horror thriller horror
1:07:46
mystery, I guess that would be safe to put in
1:07:48
like one box, right you think? Yeah Okay, I feel
1:07:53
like they I mean they're not in a changeable.
1:07:55
They're like no not changeable just similar enough
1:07:58
to put in a bin. Yeah, I Mean you can think about
1:08:02
Frankenstein and his monster When the monster
1:08:06
finally comes to life and they get to meet each
1:08:08
other for the first time would that be what would
1:08:10
we call that? Because obviously that's not even
1:08:12
cute A meat grim a meat deadly I don't know.
1:08:19
Yeah, I kind of like that. Well, so we're gonna
1:08:20
do for we'll do for horror and thriller. We'll
1:08:23
do meet grim Yeah, and I'm absolutely taking
1:08:26
notes Meet grim and for mystery I Feel like mysteries
1:08:36
might be neat meet weird or meet ugly Maybe for
1:08:46
a horror we could also do catastrophic. Oh I
1:08:50
feel like it was a catastrophic event within
1:08:54
the story of Frankenstein. And we can shorten
1:08:57
it because we're cool. We call it meet cat. I'm
1:09:07
gonna quote a sim right now. What would we call
1:09:24
a meet comedy? Oh, well, you know what? I'm looking
1:09:28
at the notes and you've got a meet cosmic here,
1:09:32
which kind of makes me laugh because it only
1:09:35
thinks to me, it only plays to me that these
1:09:37
people are meeting in space. Or maybe it could
1:09:42
be also, it could also cover probably like, you
1:09:44
know, Doctor Who, like the space -time continuum
1:09:47
and stuff. Oh, yeah, obvious, yeah. Multiverse,
1:09:50
multiverse meetings. Meet the Doctor? Yeah, it's
1:09:53
a meet cosmic. Absolutely. What else do we have
1:10:02
on our list? We have meet weird. That kind of
1:10:10
feels like... It kind of feels like a comedy
1:10:14
or Something Unhinged like not not unhinged and
1:10:22
scary unhinged and funny like yeah like half
1:10:26
-baked That would be a meat weird When like the
1:10:32
main character, I don't I'm gonna be honest with
1:10:34
you. I don't entirely remember half -baked but
1:10:37
there's obviously a point where the main character
1:10:42
meets up. Is there a point where he meets up
1:10:44
with his boys? You know what, I can't even speak
1:10:48
on it. I can't even speak on it. I'm just thinking
1:10:51
that through the context of the general movie,
1:10:54
that might be called a meet weird. I mean, because
1:10:58
they were, they were childhood friends. Right.
1:11:00
In that. Yes, I do remember that. And they all
1:11:03
got high for the first time at 13. And it they
1:11:10
aged up in the story like when in the introduction
1:11:14
that Dave Chappelle was doing yeah so there's
1:11:20
not exactly a meet -cute in there uh unless unless
1:11:29
you consider Harland Williams and the horse oh
1:11:34
my god okay it was a day from retirement That
1:11:40
counts as a meat weird. I mean really, but yeah.
1:11:45
Well because it was the catalyst, it was the
1:11:48
catalyst that changed everything. So I guess
1:11:50
it's not really a meat, it can be a meat cute.
1:11:52
It can be classified as a meat cute. Well, a
1:11:54
meat weird, but yeah, it is also the catalyst
1:11:57
that brings about all the trouble that they have
1:11:59
to get out of. That's hysterical. I haven't seen
1:12:03
half -baked in a minute. I'm gonna have to watch
1:12:05
that. And grandma's boy. Know that that is a
1:12:09
comedy. That is a sick comedy but there is absolutely
1:12:13
romance in there and Samantha and Andy's Meet
1:12:21
happens in the office when he's sleeping under
1:12:25
I Think he's sleeping under the table with one
1:12:27
of the Barbie dolls like on his neck or something
1:12:30
like that Yeah, and she after he gets kicked
1:12:32
out of his friends house friends house, right?
1:12:35
Yeah played by Nick Swartzen. Thank you. And
1:12:39
there's also another meet -cute! There's another
1:12:43
meet -cute! Yes, there is! Mr. Jeff Swartzen
1:12:46
and Shirley MacLaine! Shirley Jones. Oh, thank
1:12:50
you, Shirley Jones. Oh, I'm sorry, lady. I did
1:12:53
come on and get happy. Come on, get happy! I
1:12:56
know where she's from. I just don't know names.
1:13:00
Give me a break, I'm in Perry. You remind me
1:13:04
of Charlie. Charlie Chaplin. Charlie Chaplin.
1:13:11
Oh, I probably should have worn a condom. I think
1:13:17
that we have covered all of our bases, so I want
1:13:20
to talk wrap -up. Let's start with this question
1:13:24
for wrap -up. To the audience, to you guys listening,
1:13:30
and thank you for coming back to listen to us
1:13:33
after this hiatus. What was your real -life meet
1:13:37
-cute? Did you have one? Or... Let's invent one.
1:13:42
We won't judge. What would be your ideal meet
1:13:47
-cute for your story, for you? And bonus points
1:13:52
if it's ridiculous. Matter of fact, I will send
1:13:55
stickers to the person who gives the most ridiculous
1:13:58
meet -cute. I... Actually, I have leftover star
1:14:03
stickers when I was teaching my kids the potty
1:14:06
train, so I will give them to you. Yay! I've
1:14:09
got tons of, I guess, interesting ones. Gold
1:14:10
ones, guys! Gold ones. And they got little flecks
1:14:13
in them. So they're shiny and they were flecked
1:14:16
really nicely off the light. We should make,
1:14:21
um, we should make, like, stamp cards for the
1:14:24
stickers and, like, mail everybody one and then
1:14:26
they can start bringing their own gold stickers
1:14:28
and when we tell them if you got it right, add
1:14:30
a gold sticker. And then send it to us, and we'll
1:14:33
send you a story or something. It sounds fun,
1:14:38
I just want to have fun as well. Let's get crazy
1:14:41
guys. Every ten stars gets you a free ice cream
1:14:44
cone. Not from us, but probably... Not from us,
1:14:46
but if you go sometimes, you can get one. Yeah,
1:14:52
so like, yeah, I want to hear that. I want to
1:14:54
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1:15:30
We threw out a lot of different words for meet
1:15:34
-cutes that aren't for romance. You have one.
1:15:39
Let us know. Let us know. Make it part of the
1:15:42
show. Exactly, yeah. So I am gonna have to, we
1:15:49
are gonna have to wrap this up, but it has been
1:15:52
an absolute pleasure to talk meet -cutes with
1:15:54
you, sis, and I hope that everybody listening
1:15:57
has had a blast because I've had fun here. Same.
1:16:01
Yeah, so I am going to end this the way that
1:16:05
I always do with my Love and peace and to remind
1:16:11
you all to make the damn thing Have a good one.
1:16:17
Peace So bring the love and peace I bring the
1:16:19
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