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HEAR IT: Terrifying moment caught on doorbell video as woman tries to get into home to 'get the baby.' · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. At night when you put
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  Speaker 1: your children to sleep, after you check the doors and
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  Speaker 1: turn on the alarm, you take another peek at them,
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  Speaker 1: and you've done everything you can to keep them safe
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  Speaker 1: for that one day and that one night. Not so fast.
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. I'm Nancy Grace. This is
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  Speaker 1: Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here at
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  Speaker 1: Fox Nation and Serious x M one eleven. Take a listen.
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  Speaker 1: We've had to enhance this audio, but listen carefully and
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  Speaker 1: me me mama Hannah. Okay, I'm going to play that
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  Speaker 1: again in just a moment. But you're hearing our enhanced
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  Speaker 1: audio of a woman not knocking at the door, and
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  Speaker 1: then you hear a child's voice saying who is it?
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  Speaker 1: Who is you? Barely hear that, And then you hear
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  Speaker 1: an adult female say it's me, and the child says
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  Speaker 1: who who is it? And she says, it's me, mama Hannah.
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  Speaker 1: And then very quietly, if you listen carefully, you can
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  Speaker 1: hear the door were open, and you hear the woman saying,
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  Speaker 1: where's the baby with me? And all start panel to
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  Speaker 1: break it down and put it back together again. Ken Belkan,
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  Speaker 1: New York Criminal defense attorney at Belkan Law dot com.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, chief of Psychiatry Memorial Regional
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  Speaker 1: Healthcare Systems and clinical professor at Yale University. You can
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  Speaker 1: find them on insta at doctor Daniel Bober, David Katz,
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  Speaker 1: former Senior Special Agent d EA, author of Executives Guide
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  Speaker 1: to Personal Security, and CEO of Global Security Group at
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  Speaker 1: Global Security Group dot com. And joining us from wink Wi,
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  Speaker 1: n K TV and Fort Myers, Florida. Amanda Hall. Before
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  Speaker 1: we kick it off, I want you if you don't mind, Jackie,
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  Speaker 1: because you please play that sound one more time. Now
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  Speaker 1: that we know what we're listening to, it's easier to
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  Speaker 1: hear it, get it and me me, mama, Hannah. Oh
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  Speaker 1: when I hear that part, where's the baby? You know?
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  Speaker 1: Ken Belcon? Aside from the fear and instills in me
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  Speaker 1: that tingling down my arms wears the baby? You know
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  Speaker 1: what else? Are reminded me of? Ken Belcon. Have you
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  Speaker 1: ever had to deal with audio transcripts before a jury? Oh? Yes,
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  Speaker 1: I definitely have that of the chilling too, I am,
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  Speaker 1: and you know when you're trying to I wanted to
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  Speaker 1: play it and then explain it, and then play it
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  Speaker 1: again so everybody would be able to make out the words.
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  Speaker 1: There have been so many times, like if you're working
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  Speaker 1: with the wire tap, or somebody taped the phone conversation,
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  Speaker 1: or somebody is wired, it's always so distorted. And I
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  Speaker 1: remember sitting in my office in the conference room in
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  Speaker 1: the library at the DA's office listening to the same
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  Speaker 1: audio over and over and over again to try to
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  Speaker 1: pick out specific words, because you have to write up
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  Speaker 1: a transcript for the jury so they can understand what
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  Speaker 1: they're hearing. And if you get words wrong, then the
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  Speaker 1: whole thing can be thrown out of evidence because you
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  Speaker 1: can't rely on it. So if you can't make it out,
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  Speaker 1: you have to put indistinguishable or inaudible, even though you
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  Speaker 1: think you might know what they're saying, because you can
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  Speaker 1: ruin your case at trial if you try to enter
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  Speaker 1: in audio tapes like this where you have mistranscribed the words. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so this is what we know, not not a child's
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  Speaker 1: voice saying who is it? A female response, it's me,
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  Speaker 1: child says, who is it? Female response, it's me, Mama, Hannah.
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  Speaker 1: Then quiet. But if you listen closely, you can hear
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  Speaker 1: a door open, and you hear the adult female say,
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  Speaker 1: where's the baby? Okay? Amanda Hall, reporter w I n
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  Speaker 1: K TV Fort Myers. Is this ring doorbell audio? It is.
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  Speaker 1: It's from a ring doorbell camera that's situated on the
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  Speaker 1: front stoop of a home. A lot of people have
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  Speaker 1: access to these cameras. Now police have access to them,
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  Speaker 1: and that's the most chilling part, Nancy. We not only
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  Speaker 1: hear all of this, we are seeing this woman outside
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  Speaker 1: through the lens of the camera. You know, I love
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  Speaker 1: ring doorbells and I talk about that in my upcoming book,
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  Speaker 1: Don't Be a Victim, Fighting Back against America's Crime Wave,
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  Speaker 1: and it's in the chapter about staying safe in your
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  Speaker 1: own home. And after I started researching specifically after so
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  Speaker 1: many burglaries and so many home invasions and attacks in
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  Speaker 1: the home, I started researching very carefully about how to
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  Speaker 1: stop that, and we got well. I gave it to
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  Speaker 1: my husband for his birthday. Whenever I want something for
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  Speaker 1: the house, I give it to David for his birthday.
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  Speaker 1: So we got ring doorbells for the front and the
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  Speaker 1: back door. And I love them even if I am
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  Speaker 1: up on a plane. Amanda Haul wan k I get.
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  Speaker 1: If I'm hooked into Internet, I can actually speak to
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  Speaker 1: the person at the front or back door through the
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  Speaker 1: ring doorbell. I can see everything happening, and I know
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  Speaker 1: when somebody comes. I can see delivery people. I can
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  Speaker 1: see the dog run by. Everything that moves, I can
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  Speaker 1: see it. So it comes with audio and video. So guys,
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  Speaker 1: take a listen now to our friends at crime online
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  Speaker 1: dot com. It's a bizarre and terrifying moment in the
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  Speaker 1: late night hours in a Florida neighborhood at two fifteen am, Amber,
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  Speaker 1: the resident, here's somebody knocking on her front door. Before
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  Speaker 1: she can make it to the door, the disturbance wakes
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  Speaker 1: up Amber's twelve year old daughter. The person at the
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  Speaker 1: door sounds like a neighbor, so the twelve year old
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  Speaker 1: lets her in the house. As the neighbor barges in
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  Speaker 1: through the now open doorway, she is heard to say
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  Speaker 1: where is the baby. At that point, mother Amber is
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  Speaker 1: now in the room and faces off against this middle
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  Speaker 1: of the night threat to her children as the intruder
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  Speaker 1: is trying to wrestle a nine month old baby from
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  Speaker 1: the arms of his preteen sister. Guys, can you imagine
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  Speaker 1: anything more chilling than someone knocking at your door and
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  Speaker 1: your child opens the door in the middle of the
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  Speaker 1: night and the next thing you know, they're trying to
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  Speaker 1: wrestle away. You're nine month old baby. I mean to you,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Daniel Bober, forensic psychiatrist, there is a feeling of safety,
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  Speaker 1: right or wrong in your own home. Why do we
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  Speaker 1: is that instinctive? We feel like we're safe in our
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  Speaker 1: own home. Well, when you're in your comfort zone, it's
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  Speaker 1: it's your sanctuary. You feel like you're safe. But obviously
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  Speaker 1: it's a false sense of security because that could be
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  Speaker 1: breached or violate at any time. Time stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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  Speaker 1: we are talking about the moment when a child goes
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  Speaker 1: to the door in the middle of the night, and
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  Speaker 1: this is happening in the Saint Pete, Florida area. Beautiful area,
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  Speaker 1: beautiful residential neighborhood, low crime rate, the works, and the
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  Speaker 1: little girl in the home goes to the door, thinks
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  Speaker 1: it's a neighbor and opens the door in the middle
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  Speaker 1: of the night, and the intruder tries to take the baby,
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  Speaker 1: the nine month old baby. I want to circle back
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  Speaker 1: to our original soundcut eleven. Take a listen from the
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  Speaker 1: ring doorbell it me Mama, Hannah, and you can actually
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  Speaker 1: hear the baby cooing in the background. I mean, Ken Belkin,
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  Speaker 1: you're a criminal defense attorney at Belcan Law dot com
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  Speaker 1: b E l k I N Law dot com. Ken,
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  Speaker 1: this is a whole another evil knocking on the door
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  Speaker 1: in the middle of the night a woman. You Now,
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  Speaker 1: we expect predation from men. Sorry, no offense, but that's
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  Speaker 1: what the statue, that's what the statistics show. Is this you, guys, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: it's not ass you. Yes, there are some female defendants,
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  Speaker 1: but overwhelmingly violent crimes are committed by men. Can't you
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  Speaker 1: people just take a chill pill? What's wrong with you? Guys? Hey,
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  Speaker 1: I'm gonna need a shrink for that. Let me go
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  Speaker 1: back to my criminal defense attorney, New York lawyer, Ken Belkin.
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  Speaker 1: But going to the door, did you hear that audio?
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  Speaker 1: And when you step over the threshold of that door,
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  Speaker 1: you have committed a whole host of felonies. Let's talk
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  Speaker 1: about burglary to start with, Yes, the child opened the door,
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  Speaker 1: but this is still a burglary in my mind. Why look,
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  Speaker 1: at anytime you enter a premises with the intent to
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  Speaker 1: commit a felony. That is a burglary plain and symbol.
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  Speaker 1: And it's clear that this woman, you know that, there's
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  Speaker 1: very strong evidence. You've got the audio, you've got the video,
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  Speaker 1: you've got potential eyewitness testimony from people in the house
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  Speaker 1: that she entered that premises with the intention of taking
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  Speaker 1: that very young baby without any lawful purpose. She was
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  Speaker 1: attempting to commit kidnapping too. David Catz, former Senior Special Agent, DA,
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  Speaker 1: author Executive's Guide to Personal Security, and the CEO of
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  Speaker 1: Global Security Group dot com day, Cats, have you ever
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  Speaker 1: seen anything like this? No, And I tell you you
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  Speaker 1: know the the and I know we think, oh my god,
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  Speaker 1: it's it's, you know, such an evil criminal act. This
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  Speaker 1: This woman has had a psychological break. If you don't know, Cats,
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  Speaker 1: she has come. I'm getting it. But if you think,
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  Speaker 1: cut his mind very quickly. Now it's my understanding Jackie
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  Speaker 1: that David Cats, Yes, a special agent with a DEA
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  Speaker 1: is not a shrink. Does he have an MD and
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  Speaker 1: a degree in psychiatry that I don't know about. No,
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  Speaker 1: he doesn't. So, David Cats, I'm coming to you about
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  Speaker 1: security because you are the CEO of Global Security Group. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: have I taught him a lesson, probably not properly admonished. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So if you want to talk about from it from
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  Speaker 1: a from a security point of view, that's why we
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  Speaker 1: have a rain camera so we can look before we
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  Speaker 1: open it. I get it. Well, that's that's to my
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  Speaker 1: second point, because that I can get a chance to
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  Speaker 1: make my first one. But the second point is, well,
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  Speaker 1: we do security assessments, We put in systems, whether it's
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  Speaker 1: whether it's you know, we have a whole host of
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  Speaker 1: possible applications. They are completely ineffective unless you could tell
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  Speaker 1: the kids under no circumstances does the door get opened, period,
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  Speaker 1: Because that the reason I mentioned what I did, had
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  Speaker 1: had the child wait, let me wait for my mom.
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  Speaker 1: She comes down. Now there's an interaction, interaction through the door,
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  Speaker 1: and that's when you can make an assessment. Something don't
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  Speaker 1: sound right. That's the that's the whole idea. You don't
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  Speaker 1: allow children to approach the door at any time of
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  Speaker 1: the day unless it's you know, if it's grandma. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: so I was knocking on the door two o'clock in
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  Speaker 1: the morning. They get downstairs and there's an interaction like
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  Speaker 1: and she's there's clearly it's not it's out of the ordinary.
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  Speaker 1: The kids need to be taught do not touch that door.
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  Speaker 1: I always tell the children, even when I'm home, we
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  Speaker 1: have on the alarm, not open the door. And also
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  Speaker 1: in Don't be a Victim of the book, it says
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  Speaker 1: look out if you don't have a peepole, get a peepole.
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  Speaker 1: If you don't have one, look through a window trying
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  Speaker 1: to see who is there. But with the ring doorbell,
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  Speaker 1: you can look on your phone. It pops up on
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  Speaker 1: your phone, which I think is just incredible. David Cats
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  Speaker 1: with Global Security Group, And you know what, Davy Cats,
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  Speaker 1: I'm actually glad you said what you said about Oh,
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  Speaker 1: she had a psychotic break, why is it? Belkin? Ken Belkin,
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  Speaker 1: new York criminal defense attorney. And you know it's true.
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  Speaker 1: You know it's true that when a woman commits a
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  Speaker 1: violent crime like this, trying to go in a home
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  Speaker 1: and kidnapping the baby, we go, oh, she must have
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  Speaker 1: been mentally ill. Oh no, what if she wanted to
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  Speaker 1: sell that baby on the black market? Is that mentally ill?
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  Speaker 1: Or is that just pure evil? Whenever a woman does
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  Speaker 1: a violent crime, we go, oh, poor thing, she must
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  Speaker 1: have had postpartum No, that's so stereotypical, Davy Cats, I
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  Speaker 1: just slapped your wrist. Why do you automatically assume if
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  Speaker 1: she must be crazy? Oh right, I forgot period, Shackie.
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  Speaker 1: It was pms. That's that she's crazy, or that she
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  Speaker 1: wants to sell the kid at two o'clock on the morning,
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  Speaker 1: Davy Cat speaking or Ken Belkin, it is that's it is.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna he's gonna go down with the ship, isn't he.
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  Speaker 1: He's gonna stick to it, Ken Belkin, I bet you
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  Speaker 1: use that to your advantage. All us women are just crazy, hysterical.
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  Speaker 1: We're on our periods. That's it. Or wait, maybe, oh
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  Speaker 1: my god, I think there's there's some elements of that
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  Speaker 1: that's true. So you gender here because you you hey,
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  Speaker 1: you teat it up, buddy. Now I've just taken my shots.
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  Speaker 1: It is just so you get you served it up
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  Speaker 1: on a silver platter. Let me bring a little sanity
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  Speaker 1: back to this with Amanda Hall joining me at w
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  Speaker 1: I and k TV Fort Myers, Florida. Amanda, tell me
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  Speaker 1: about this Saint Pete neighborhood. I mean it's not the
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  Speaker 1: type where it's like an area where you don't expect
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  Speaker 1: a kidnapping to go down in the middle of the night,
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  Speaker 1: stealing a baby out of the arms of a twelve
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  Speaker 1: year old girl. No, it's definitely not Nancy. This is
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  Speaker 1: in Saint Petersburg, Panellas County, and as you mentioned, a
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  Speaker 1: little crime rate. We know from the mother that the
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  Speaker 1: neighbors knew, you know, knew some of their neighbors next door.
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  Speaker 1: They did know Hannah Braun, but they certainly do now,
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  Speaker 1: So that tells me. So the purp is a neighbor,
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  Speaker 1: so I guarantee as she had been scoping out this house.
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  Speaker 1: Doctor Daniel Bober, I've been throwing around a lot of
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  Speaker 1: let me say, emotional or mental ailments. That's really your
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  Speaker 1: Billy Wick. But for doctor Daniel Bob, before I ask
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  Speaker 1: you to make sense of it, take a listen. Take
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  Speaker 1: a listen. Now, all the men on the pale except
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  Speaker 1: you claimed that she must be hysterical or some have
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  Speaker 1: kind of some kind of a crazy going on in
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  Speaker 1: her head. Take a listen to our friend sam or
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  Speaker 1: Cagliano at Inside Edition the beginnings of what police are
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  Speaker 1: calling a bizarre kidnapping plot. The woman in the ring
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  Speaker 1: camera video is knocking on the front door of her
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  Speaker 1: neighbor's house. It is two am. The location Saint Petersburg, Florida. Remarkably,
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  Speaker 1: she is let in after announcing her name Amma, as
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  Speaker 1: if this was a friendly neighborly visit. Once she got
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  Speaker 1: inside the house, cops say the woman attempts to snatch
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  Speaker 1: a nine month old boy out of the arms of
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  Speaker 1: his twelve year old sister. Fortunately, the child's mother had awakened,
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  Speaker 1: and cops say she stopped the kidnapping. The suspect, identified
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  Speaker 1: as twenty eight year old Hannah Braun, is accused of
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  Speaker 1: leaving her two children at home well she allegedly tried
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  Speaker 1: to kidnap her neighbor's baby. She's charged with attempted kidnapping, burglary,
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  Speaker 1: and child abuse. And get this, a neighbor says Braun
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  Speaker 1: also tried to kidnap a year old girl from his
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  Speaker 1: house on this same night. Okay, guys, it's not just
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  Speaker 1: this nine month old baby at risk crime stories with
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  Speaker 1: Nancy Grace, we are talking about a young mom herself.
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  Speaker 1: She has children, she leaves at home to go kidnap
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  Speaker 1: and infant. Now, before all the guys on our panels
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  Speaker 1: started making excuses for her, like she must have had
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  Speaker 1: a psychotic break. How about plain old evil? Have you
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  Speaker 1: ever thought of that? Guys, take a listen to our
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  Speaker 1: friend chip A Salski at w FLA eight knees Ring
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  Speaker 1: doorbell video captured Hannah Braun knocking on the door at
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  Speaker 1: two fifteen on Tuesday morning before making it into the home.
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  Speaker 1: It's me, It's me, mama, Hannah. Once inside the house
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  Speaker 1: on fifteenth Avenue South, she tried to snatch the baby
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  Speaker 1: from the arms of another child. Amber is the children's mother.
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  Speaker 1: Run out here for sure. She's standing in my liver
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  Speaker 1: room talking about, Yeah, I'm just here to get the baby.
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  Speaker 1: I just I'm trying to protect the baby, and he
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  Speaker 1: might protect the baby. What are you talking about? Like,
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  Speaker 1: why are you in my house? Moments before entering Amber's house,
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  Speaker 1: Elma Reynolds claimed she broke into her home. Reynolds says
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  Speaker 1: Braun tried to kidnap her baby grandson. She says she's
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  Speaker 1: taking care of babes here and that's what she was. Baby.
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  Speaker 1: Police rushed to the scene and arrested Braun. She's also
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  Speaker 1: facing child abuse and child neglect charges because the arrest
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  Speaker 1: report indicates she left her own two young children at
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  Speaker 1: home while attempting to kidnap the babies. Guys, we have
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  Speaker 1: been kicking this around, and I've been giving two of
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  Speaker 1: our actually very esteemed experts, David Kats that Global security
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  Speaker 1: and Ken Belkan, who's won a lot of cases. At
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  Speaker 1: trial New York criminal defends attorney a hard time about characterizing,
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  Speaker 1: mischaracterizing women felons. But let's just follow this through to
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  Speaker 1: its logical conclusion. What would have happened if this young mom,
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  Speaker 1: well she's pushing thirty, she's not that young, she has
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  Speaker 1: two children under the age of five, she leaves at
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  Speaker 1: home to go still a baby, Think about it. What
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  Speaker 1: would have happened if she got the baby? What would
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  Speaker 1: she do with the baby? Would she suffocate it later
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  Speaker 1: to hide evidence? Would she leave it in a dumpster?
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  Speaker 1: What would this woman do once she got the baby?
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  Speaker 1: She got to sell the baby for money? We don't know.
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  Speaker 1: But just as we are kicking around her motives. Of course,
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  Speaker 1: the state under the law never has to prove a motive,
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  Speaker 1: although practically speaking, I know for a fact gerars want
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  Speaker 1: to hear a motive because very often you say this
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  Speaker 1: is the crime, this is the purp. They think, Wow,
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  Speaker 1: that doesn't make any sense. For instance, why would a
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  Speaker 1: beautiful aunt, she is pretty, twenty eight year old mom
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  Speaker 1: of two try to kidnap a baby, so they may
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  Speaker 1: reject your premise that Hannah Braun did this thing. So
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  Speaker 1: practically speaking, you need to show them motive, although the
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  Speaker 1: law does not require it. Of the state to doctor
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  Speaker 1: Daniel Bober, for instance, psychiatrist, Chief Psychiatry, Memorial Regional Healthcare,
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  Speaker 1: doctor Bober, why is it? And I've worried about this
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  Speaker 1: in cases where I was trying a female that we
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  Speaker 1: try to explain away what women do, even if it's
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  Speaker 1: a violent crime. We try to go, oh, well, blah
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  Speaker 1: blah blah. You can put in postpartum, you can put
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  Speaker 1: in woman scorned, he asked for others, she was overburdened
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  Speaker 1: with her children. You can plug in whatever you want
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  Speaker 1: to you right there. Why do we try to make
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  Speaker 1: excuses for women felons under stereotypes? Nancy, You know we're
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  Speaker 1: not comfortable with a violent, aggressive woman. You know, men
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  Speaker 1: in general engage in physical aggression. Women engage in relation aggression.
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't mean what is that? Wait a minute,
• 23:03
  Speaker 1: Wait a minute, you're throwing around a lot. It's like
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  Speaker 1: psych psychiatric terms that we don't know about. You know,
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: just for that brief moment, doctor Bober, you reminded me
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  Speaker 1: of those lawyers. And I love this, Kim Balkan. I
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: hate to tip you off that get on the elevator
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  Speaker 1: and start throwing around like Latin phrases and legal terms
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  Speaker 1: that nobody knows what they're talking about. Especially love it
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  Speaker 1: when they do it in front of a jury. But
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  Speaker 1: what do you mean relational crimes? What relational aggression? That
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  Speaker 1: when women, for example, when women fight with other women,
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  Speaker 1: it tends to be on a more emotional level, whereas
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  Speaker 1: and it tends to be longer lasting and sometimes the
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  Speaker 1: whole the grudge, whereas men will engage in more physical aggressions.
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  Speaker 1: They'll fight, they'll shake hands and it will be over. Now,
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: of course that's a generalization. It doesn't mean that all
• 23:48
  Speaker 1: women are not capable of vicious behavior. It's just a generalization. Okay, now,
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: I accept what you're saying is correct, but I still
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  Speaker 1: don't have an answer. Why do we make excuses for women? Okay,
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: since you're not answering, Bober, now it's your turn. You're
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: on the hot seat. Since you're not answering, I'll give
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  Speaker 1: you the reason why. I think it is because just okay,
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: I always use Scott Peterson great example. A lot of
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  Speaker 1: people thought he was handsome. I did, not, by the way,
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: ever think he was handsome. But he would walk into
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: the courtroom like a football player. I'm like, you know what,
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: you need to stop that right now. But he didn't. Anyway,
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  Speaker 1: some people thought he was handsome. College degree, great job.
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  Speaker 1: He rude with Phil Mickelson. He was a golfer like Michelson.
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  Speaker 1: At college. He seemingly had it all. Beautiful home there
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  Speaker 1: on Covina Avenue and modesto, lovely wife, dog, the works,
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: the families, the in laws just perfect right. So it
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: was hard for juries to look at him and think, wow,
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: he murdered his wife an unborn baby. Connor. Same thing
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  Speaker 1: with women. Look at a woman sitting there like Totmam
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: Casey Anthony, you think, wow, why would somebody like her? Cute, peppy,
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  Speaker 1: great personality, education, Why would she do this? It's as
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: if the mind is checking the eye, And I think,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: when you have a female defendant, doctor Bober, you replace
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  Speaker 1: her subliminally with your mother, or your sister or your daughter.
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  Speaker 1: It's hard to believe that they would commit such crime.
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  Speaker 1: I think that's true. I think they're more soft, they're
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  Speaker 1: more disarming, and we assume immediately because they're a woman,
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  Speaker 1: that they're not capable of that level of violence. But
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: obviously that's not true. Guys, take a listen to this.
• 25:44
  Speaker 1: An Alas Country woman has been arrested after deputy say
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  Speaker 1: that she left her own child at home to attempt
• 25:49
  Speaker 1: to kidnap her neighbor's child. According to an arrest Affidavid
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Braun opened to the front door of her neighbor's home
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  Speaker 1: and attempted to take the child out of her neighbor's arms.
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  Speaker 1: According to the Saint Peter's Police Department, a struggle ensued
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  Speaker 1: and that parent was able to take their child and
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: get away from Braun and call authorities. Police were able
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: to get in contact with Braun's child, she told officers.
• 26:10
  Speaker 1: She told deputies that she had lost her mommy and
• 26:13
  Speaker 1: was scared. Braun is currently facing charges of attempted kidnapping,
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: burglary with assault or battery, child abuse, and two counts
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  Speaker 1: of neglect of a child with great without great bodily harm,
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  Speaker 1: and is in jail on one hundred and forty five
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  Speaker 1: thousand dollars bond. One hundred and forty five thousand dollars bond.
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Is that is not that much, isn't it. Shoe Ken Bellken,
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: new York criminal defense attorney. You have to put down
• 26:37
  Speaker 1: about ten percent of the bond amount. That means somebody's
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: kind of got to come up with fourteen thousand, five
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: hundred dollars. Yeah, typically they're gonna have to come up
• 26:44
  Speaker 1: with about ten, sometimes even twenty percent, and the bondsman
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: is going to want to see proof of some form
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  Speaker 1: of collateral, whether it be a piece of real estate
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: or you know, proof of some sort of substantial income
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: from umployment. Time Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, I want
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  Speaker 1: to thank you again for being with us here at
• 27:17
  Speaker 1: Fox Nation in series eleven. In a case that seemingly
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: doesn't make sense to Amanda Hall, reporter w i n
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  Speaker 1: KTV Fort Myers, just take it from the top. So
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  Speaker 1: this family in an upscale neighborhood. Here's at the door.
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  Speaker 1: I think it was around two am. Yeah, it was
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: two in the morning, So the middle of the night.
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  Speaker 1: Hannah Broun, twenty eight years old, leaves her own home
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  Speaker 1: and what we hear on the ring doorbell camera is
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: not the first home that she went to. We know
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: from another witness that she went to a house before
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  Speaker 1: the ring doorbell camera home and asked for the children,
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  Speaker 1: that I'm here to protect the babies. Points at a
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  Speaker 1: young child and says, let me touch her face. He
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  Speaker 1: gets her to move on, get out of there, and
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  Speaker 1: be on her way. She goes to another house and
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: that's when we see her on the doorbell camera. Nancy,
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: you know, I'm looking at the video right now of her,
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  Speaker 1: and it's a beautiful lawn with a stone walk up
• 28:25
  Speaker 1: to the door. It crosses over a lined sidewalk, trees
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: beyond that. It's just a beautiful neighborhood. But in the
• 28:37
  Speaker 1: ring video, and you can see this at crime online
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  Speaker 1: dot com, you see Hannah Braun clearly pictured knocking at
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  Speaker 1: the door. She even uses her own name, it's Hannah Now.
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  Speaker 1: Earlier that evening, she went to another home and asked
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: to knock to the door, gets in and asked to
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: touch her face into the baby. You know, I'm going
• 29:03
  Speaker 1: to have to break down and give a nod to
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: Davy Kats and Ken Belkin. The fact that she actually
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: uses her own name and anybody in their right mind,
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: unless who've been living in a cave knows about ring
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: doorbell cameras. She obviously Davy Kts with Global Security Group,
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: was not concerned about being identified. Well, yeah, that's that's
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: I mean the criminality. Generally, you would assume some some
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: measure of caution to not get apprehended. In this case,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: identifies herself by name. It's a neighbor. It's not going
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: to be like almost It's not the one I've ever
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: seen before. But more importantly, the whole sequence of events
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: going to the other home asking for the child. This
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: reminds me. I'm not saying it is, but this reminds
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: me of a case I did involving meth amphetamine induced
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: delusion where you know, where I had a guy who
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: committed a horrific, horrific murder because he was convinced that
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: little foot tall people had kidnapped his girlfriend. It just,
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: I just it was bizarre. It was an absolute psychotic delusion.
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: You know, I would I would if I was working
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: this case, I would be asking for a psychological assessment
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: of this individual sooner rather than later. You know, it's
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: easy for us to talk about it to Kim belkan
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Get a psychological He's right, of course, but we have
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: to follow this through to what would have happened to
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: the babies. And this was not the first baby. Have
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: you ever come in contact Hold on, let me go
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: to doctor Daniel Bober. We've covered it many, many times
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: when women will actually kill the mom, cut their stomach
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: open to get the baby. They're not insane, they just
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: want a baby. Well, Nancy, I know you're gonna give
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: me a hard time on this, but probably sometimes it's
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: Sometimes it's you know, a personality disorder or something that
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: to them their own childhood. Sometimes it's just pure rage.
• 31:03
  Speaker 1: It just depends on the reason. But I think most
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: people would agree that someone that would do that probably
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: has some mental instability, some sort of mill instability, but
• 31:12
  Speaker 1: that doesn't necessarily rise to the level of insanity under
• 31:15
  Speaker 1: the law, which is not knowing right from wrong at
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: the time of the incident. Guys, this is the first
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: time a kidnapping or other crime has been caught on
• 31:26
  Speaker 1: a ring doorbell. Listen to our friend Jeff Ealing at
• 31:30
  Speaker 1: ABC thirteen News. Pourbell cameras caught the abduction of eight
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: year old Salem Subotka, her mother thrown to the ground
• 31:38
  Speaker 1: then seen running after the car and begging for help.
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: Fort Worth police got the video and used it to
• 31:48
  Speaker 1: identify the car. They shared that information with neighbors, who
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: then decided to help in the search. A friend of
• 31:54
  Speaker 1: ours texting me and I said, well, what are we
• 31:57
  Speaker 1: doing about it? Jeff King is a local pastor. He
• 31:59
  Speaker 1: knows Salem's parents. He and a friend then spoke with police. Yeah,
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: I talked to a detective. He was a playing close
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: to techive. He said to check parks, he said to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: check hotels. Within hours, King found the suspect's car in
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: a nearby hotel. Police rushed in to save the girl,
• 32:13
  Speaker 1: sharing the audio of the moment Salem was rescued. You know,
• 32:22
  Speaker 1: just recently we all covered and helped investigate the case
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: of Heidi Broussard. Is that name ringing a bell to anybody?
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: Heidi Broussard had just given birth to a new baby,
• 32:35
  Speaker 1: and then her so called best friend, Megan fear Amusca
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: traveled hours and hours to abduct Heidi, get the baby,
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: and kill Heidi and put her in the trunk to
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: get the baby baby Margot. So it's a phenomena I
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: can't explain where even though you May. In that case,
• 32:59
  Speaker 1: um Deep Purp had been telling her boyfriend she was
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: pregnant and then suddenly the time came and it was
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: time for her to produce the baby, and so she
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: did her best friend's baby. There's case after case after
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: case of pregnant mobs being killed, of babies being abducted
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: to carry out a scam that the kidnapper was actually pregnant.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: Why is that the case here? But back to ring doorbells,
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: here's another example. Take a listen to Kanye Whitworth ABC
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: News tonight. The man in this video is behind bars.
• 33:38
  Speaker 1: The terrifying attack captured on a neighbor's doorbell camera. Police
• 33:42
  Speaker 1: say the woman was running from her estranged boyfriend. She's
• 33:46
  Speaker 1: kicking and screaming as the man grabs her hair, violently
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: drags her away, and threatens to kill her. It happened
• 33:54
  Speaker 1: in this neighborhood in Arcadia, California, just before midnight Sunday.
• 33:58
  Speaker 1: Police got the video on Monday and moved in, rescuing
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  Speaker 1: the woman and arresting twenty seven year old Robert Michael Mendez,
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: who police say was holding the woman against her will
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: in his home. The video was turned over to police
• 34:11
  Speaker 1: by the homeowner in this case. But the company ring
• 34:13
  Speaker 1: has video sharing relationships with more than four hundred police
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  Speaker 1: departments across the country what they call the new Neighborhood Watch.
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  Speaker 1: And David at Mendez was booked on charges including attempted murder, kidnapping,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: and false imprisonment. The woman was so badly hurt she
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: had to be taken to the hospital and that was
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: our friends at kmov to David Kats, formerly with the
• 34:38
  Speaker 1: da NOW Global Security Group, what is that that now
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: all Ringing cameras are connected to the police. Well, it
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: allows law enforcement to get access in virtual real time too,
• 34:54
  Speaker 1: evidence of a crime that may need rapid response. And look,
• 34:58
  Speaker 1: you have a kidnapping in this case, and immediately you
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: get a look at the suspect. You might have a
• 35:03
  Speaker 1: look at the guy's car, and then further from there
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: you look at a neighbor's house, maybe a neighbors and
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: maybe a neighbor has a different at camera angle. Now
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: you've got a license plate. And then once you get
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: a license plate, now you're figuring out you know where'd
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: the car go to? The car go through a tunnel?
• 35:17
  Speaker 1: Now that you know it's been a where you are
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: a lot of police cars on the locations have license
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: plate readers, so that one step where ring cameras is
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: interfaced with law enforcement. That is a huge and I
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: can't even overstate how helpful that would be in the
• 35:33
  Speaker 1: situations like this and in a case ongoing right now.
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: Let's take a listen to cut thirteen. Gretchen Parsons. I
• 35:41
  Speaker 1: think we all know about this ring camera video. Just
• 35:44
  Speaker 1: into our newsroom. We have video that shows seven year
• 35:47
  Speaker 1: old JJ Valo just days before he disappeared. Footage from
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: a neighbor's ring doorbell camera and rex Burg. The video
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: shows JJ playing and then running into his mother, Ry
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Valo's town home. It's from ZEP two, number seventeenth and
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: JJ was last seen September twenty three at Kennedy Elementary
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: School in Rexburg. JJ's missing sister, seventeen year old Tylie Ryan,
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: She was last seen September eighth in Yellowstone. Last question
• 36:14
  Speaker 1: Parsons at KTVB that ring video helped crack the case
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: of COLTMM Laurie Valo and her freaky new husband, Chad
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: day Bell, resulting in the discovery of the bodies of JJ.
• 36:28
  Speaker 1: Entirely that helped build a timeline as far as this
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: would be, Kidnapper twenty eight year old Hannah braun we
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: wait as justice unfals Nancy Grace' crime story, signing off
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: goodbye friend,