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One Leg up on 'The Human Idea' With Anne Riley 11-20-24 - Presented by Podmatch · OneLegUpAlex Media

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Speaker 1: Here's your host, Alex Garrett.
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Speaker 2: All right, well it's another edition of One Leg Up
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Speaker 2: with Alex Garrett.
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Speaker 1: And I gotta say my next guest had a line
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Speaker 1: that really tickled my fancy if you will. My guest,
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Speaker 1: by the way, is Anne Riley, and she's written this
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Speaker 1: beautiful new book called The Human Idea. It's out, congratulations,
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Speaker 1: out this week, and you have me read a couple
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Speaker 1: of things. But I want to give you from the
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Speaker 1: introduction my favorite line because we talk about one leg up.
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Speaker 1: And in fact, you touched on this in one of
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Speaker 1: the string of questions that you had about how many
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Speaker 1: legs this one have? You know, all the different species,
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Speaker 1: how many legs is.
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Speaker 2: One to happen?
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Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, interesting, because one leg up? So I
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Speaker 1: thought that line immediately stuck out to me.
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Speaker 3: Right right, Oh that's interesting.
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Speaker 1: And I love.
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Speaker 3: Chatting to people because I get these different perspectives that
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Speaker 3: of course I don't know that I'm going to get
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Speaker 3: that kind of perspective, but of course, and now you've
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Speaker 3: made me enjoy this even more.
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Speaker 1: Well, there you go, and of course you say, there's
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Speaker 1: like basically a human link from a Big Bang theory
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Speaker 1: to now what is that? That also thrown me because
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Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, she's traced this two hundred five hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand years down the road to now, how are you
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Speaker 1: able to put all this together in your book The
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Speaker 1: Human Idea?
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Speaker 3: Well, I did have some help. I have some really
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Speaker 3: great writers behind me that gave me the push to
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Speaker 3: go this direction. On one hand, I read Charles Darwin,
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Speaker 3: you know, and the Theory of evolution and just the
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Speaker 3: way he could reason his way through how natural events
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Speaker 3: occurred and what happened. Way even from the origin of
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Speaker 3: species back to the Voyage of the Beagle when he
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Speaker 3: would was traveling around the world and he would look
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Speaker 3: at these things and go, oh, I know how that
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Speaker 3: atoll got figured that a toll got created. There was
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Speaker 3: an island and then it sunk and it blew up
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Speaker 3: and sung, and then this is what happened. It's like, Oh,
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Speaker 3: he's a thinker, So it was just beneficial. He just
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Speaker 3: kind of helped me to reason, to know that reasoning
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Speaker 3: of your way through things was a good way to
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Speaker 3: do it. Stephen J. Gould, famous paleontologist, also from every
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Speaker 3: one of his books was just a masterpiece of reasoning.
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Speaker 3: But what really made the difference was the book Bionomics
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Speaker 3: by Michael Rothschild, who really made a detailed case about
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Speaker 3: how economic systems, human economic systems and natural life really
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Speaker 3: worked very much the same way, and if we use
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Speaker 3: the concepts of natural life to build our economic systems,
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Speaker 3: we would have better economic systems. And I'm like, oh,
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Speaker 3: it was brilliant. I mean absolutely brilliant. If anybody wants
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Speaker 3: to read that book is brilliant. But I thought, well, jeez,
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Speaker 3: if economic systems are like nature, then humans must be
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Speaker 3: like nature. And so I went after that. I was like,
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Speaker 3: I want to know how we live, and we live differently.
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Speaker 3: And what I had to do is go back and
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Speaker 3: see that the universe is creating patterns. They the universe
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Speaker 3: only does one thing. It moves around. And when it
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Speaker 3: moves around, it has this all this energy and it
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Speaker 3: moves around and it just keeps making bigger things, and
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Speaker 3: it makes bigger, more complicated things, and depending on its environment,
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Speaker 3: you know, it ended up making life on Earth. I
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Speaker 3: mean mostly it just sits around and makes stars and galaxies,
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Speaker 3: and but each of those stars and galaxies blow up
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Speaker 3: and make complex elements and end up with these planets
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Speaker 3: that then, can you know, uh, foster life and that ooh,
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Speaker 3: sorry about that, upes, I lost my zoom, let me
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Speaker 3: go back, okay. And those things are the same patterns
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Speaker 3: that have created life and that have in the end
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Speaker 3: created humans and will continue to make things beyond humans
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Speaker 3: as we go forward. If we managed to survive, we
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Speaker 3: will evolve into something else. And what that almost depends
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Speaker 3: on what we.
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Speaker 1: Are the survival mechanism, because I feel like you're saying
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Speaker 1: the idea sphere, which you've coined, right, is helped us
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Speaker 1: survive to today.
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Speaker 2: But what are the other factors?
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Speaker 1: I mean, you went from how we were Homo sapiens,
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Speaker 1: how we evolved into that, and then here we are
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Speaker 1: humans with our brains and everything. Yet sometimes our brains
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Speaker 1: are stupid. So how do we survive till now?
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Speaker 3: From that, well, so we we know life has survived
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Speaker 3: for three point eight billion years. Humans really, Homo sapiens,
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Speaker 3: first came on the scene about two hundred thousand years ago,
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Speaker 3: and for the most part, they were even though they
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Speaker 3: these large brains, acted more like animals in that they
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Speaker 3: didn't have they I don't want to say it that way.
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Speaker 3: They thought and they cooperated, but it was on a
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Speaker 3: very low level. But when humans began to write and
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Speaker 3: to speak, they accelerated their ability to process information and
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Speaker 3: manipulate the world. And once they did that, we diverged.
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Speaker 3: And that's only been ten thousand years. So we are
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Speaker 3: on this accelerated process where we are manipulating the world
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Speaker 3: and creating all of this information and this fantastic things,
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Speaker 3: but also on the cusp of destroying ourselves with climate
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Speaker 3: change or nuclear annihilation or some other thing we don't
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Speaker 3: know about that might come down the pike. We don't know.
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Speaker 3: But the humans have really only been at this a
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Speaker 3: very short time in this long, vast history of the universe.
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Speaker 3: The fact that we are, you know, destined to be
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Speaker 3: here forever not so that's not a that's not a
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Speaker 3: sure conclusion.
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Speaker 1: Well, I don't know if it was a joke, but
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Speaker 1: over the over the weekend s now had a very
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Speaker 1: bit a bit about how on weekend update, well, human
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Speaker 1: males have six million years so they go extinct. I'm like,
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Speaker 1: that's an interesting stat but yeah.
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Speaker 3: Well, I basically the problem is we have to part
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Speaker 3: of one of the rules of survival is we have
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Speaker 3: to if we have to fit with our environment, and
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Speaker 3: if we if our environment changes as we know, when
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Speaker 3: the big chixel bub I don't know how to say that,
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Speaker 3: so I hope I didn't completely mash it up. But
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Speaker 3: when that hit it, it it was the death knell
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Speaker 3: for the dinosaurs, right because their environment changed suddenly and
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Speaker 3: they couldn't adapt. They're they're all their DNA mechanisms could
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Speaker 3: not adapt to the darkness and no food, and wherever
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Speaker 3: they all perished. And that the fact that they left
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Speaker 3: the earth left our predecessors with an opportunity to survive
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Speaker 3: without being eaten by the dinosaurs. And you know that
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Speaker 3: environmental fit is important. We are the only creature that
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Speaker 3: can manipulate our environment so much that we might actually
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Speaker 3: destroy our own environment. No other animal gets to has
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Speaker 3: really been able to do that, but we have that ability.
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Speaker 3: And I don't think half of us don't believe that
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Speaker 3: that's true. And you know, that could be the fact
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Speaker 3: that we This is the thing we get to choose.
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Speaker 3: The human superpower is choice, and if we choose to
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Speaker 3: say I don't believe that the environment is important, that
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Speaker 3: could be the end, or you know, or just massive
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Speaker 3: death and disruptions as we figure out how to survive,
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Speaker 3: and maybe it'll be like the meteor thing will destroy
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Speaker 3: our environment, and a few humans will be able to
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Speaker 3: survive in that environment and that will become the new
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Speaker 3: a brand from which survival occurs.
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Speaker 1: Well, you know, I do a podcast and there's one
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Speaker 1: leg Up called One Leg Up on Adapting. So this
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Speaker 1: is definitely gonna go on the adaptability side as well,
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Speaker 1: because here you're talking about how we have been able
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Speaker 1: to adapt to every circumstance hit with us, and unfortunately
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Speaker 1: those who can't, even small businesses that were dealt with
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Speaker 1: the pandemic blow couldn't adapt.
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Speaker 2: That's what a lot of people were saying.
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Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you this because the human
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Speaker 1: ecosystem sounds almost unifying.
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Speaker 2: That's why I want to bring you on.
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Speaker 1: It's saying, if we can have a healthy, un you know, ecosystem,
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Speaker 1: we can unify, right, That's kind of what.
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Speaker 2: It comes down to, right.
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Speaker 3: Well, and we have some real advantages because you know,
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Speaker 3: in nature, at the highest level, all the animals exists,
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Speaker 3: they must compete, and they compete because they can't communicate, right,
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Speaker 3: and and an elephant and a tiger do not have
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Speaker 3: any way to communicate. They basically have to survive and
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Speaker 3: they have to each eat their own, you know, other
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Speaker 3: creatures or other plants in order to But humans have
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Speaker 3: the ability to communicate. We can use our ideas and
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Speaker 3: agree on things and move forward in a way that
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Speaker 3: is healthy. But so far we've used our ideas to
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Speaker 3: move away from each other. And the point of my
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Speaker 3: book is that we if you look at nature as
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Speaker 3: an example, and if you even look at your body
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Speaker 3: as an example, you know, we're built with a brain
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Speaker 3: with thirty five trillion cells and our I'm sorry, our
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Speaker 3: body has thirty five trillion cells, and our brain has
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Speaker 3: one hundred million neurons. One hundred billion neurons, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 3: And those that brain orchestrates all the cells to work together,
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Speaker 3: and they all cooperate. They get to do what they want,
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Speaker 3: but they can't hurt the other cells. And that's the key.
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Speaker 3: If we can build societies that allow people their maximum
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Speaker 3: choices but minimize their ability to harm people, then we
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Speaker 3: will have good societies because we will not harm others
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Speaker 3: and others won't harm us. That is the definition of
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Speaker 3: peaceful coexistence. And we have But but humans have to
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Speaker 3: choose this. The cells in your body, don't you know,
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Speaker 3: they don't choose. That's an instruction from the DNA and
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Speaker 3: that's how your body has survived that that do no
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Speaker 3: harm is a natural part of living as a as
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Speaker 3: a society in your body. Well, humans have the superpower
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Speaker 3: of choice, so we can choose to accept that we
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Speaker 3: should not harm each other or not. And I think
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Speaker 3: what's happened is we haven't even considered this idea as
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Speaker 3: this is the basis for which human coexistence should should be.
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Speaker 3: And that's why I wrote the book. I was like, hey,
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Speaker 3: I think there's something we're missing here.
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Speaker 1: No, yeah, I want to ask you this because I
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Speaker 1: feel like this is sort of going into why people
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Speaker 1: decide to gather around a scene, you know, like a
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Speaker 1: fight scene or something like that and film it is
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Speaker 1: I'm jumping in.
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Speaker 2: I mean, there's some kind of thing in the brain.
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Speaker 1: That fascinates us with all of this and which want
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Speaker 1: to film it, right, A fascination that's been there forever.
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Speaker 1: It's just technology maybe changed it to make us film
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Speaker 1: it now.
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Speaker 2: Is that what it is?
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Speaker 3: I think that it's a little more basic than that.
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Speaker 3: It's that we when we're born. Of course we're born
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Speaker 3: with all of our DNA instructions, but we're born with
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Speaker 3: no ideas literally none, and the ideas that we get
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Speaker 3: in the world have to come from somebody. Our parents
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Speaker 3: teach us, our teachers, teach us, our friends, teach us,
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Speaker 3: our you know, our neighbors. Everybody's inputting into us. And
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Speaker 3: then we ourselves become our own teachers as we learn things, right,
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Speaker 3: we learn and we sort out stuff. Oh, I'm going
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Speaker 3: to listen to mom on that. I'm not going to
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Speaker 3: listen to mom on that. You know, we sort these
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Speaker 3: things out. But what happens is, I think what's happened
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Speaker 3: over the last several decades is we are not been
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Speaker 3: teaching the idea of how to coexist and how we
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Speaker 3: you know that even back well, you know, one hundred
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Speaker 3: years ago, part of what they taught kid was kids
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Speaker 3: was this is, this is what it means to be
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Speaker 3: a citizen. This is these are civics classes, these are
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Speaker 3: these are how we do things. And like it or not,
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Speaker 3: the church was a much more strong and uniform influence
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Speaker 3: in people's lives, and they had some sort of right
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Speaker 3: and wrong teaching, whether you know you agreed with it
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Speaker 3: or not. Today, you know, kids can choose their own information.
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Speaker 3: We can humans can choose our own information. I can
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Speaker 3: spend all day long looking at, you know, what the
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Speaker 3: celebrities are doing, and then somebody else can look all
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Speaker 3: day long at at what Aristotle and Plato said. And
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Speaker 3: do you think those two are going to have a
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Speaker 3: conversation that's going to make any sense? No, because they're
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Speaker 3: the information is not shared. If we're going to have
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Speaker 3: a shared society.
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Speaker 2: Share Aristotle and Plato has looked at as weird today
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Speaker 2: like exactly to like it. I like the new Republic
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Speaker 2: or the republic as Plato wrote. So I got back
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Speaker 2: into that, What about the fact that.
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Speaker 1: Over the years we've seen a couple of things. We've
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Speaker 1: seen what the media wants is to see, which is
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Speaker 1: all the disunity and all the violence and all that
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Speaker 1: of this stuff. But I think there is a sector
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Speaker 1: that has groups that are coexisting and no one shows that.
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Speaker 2: What just get more media covered on the coexistence?
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Speaker 3: Oh well, that one I cover a lot in my book.
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Speaker 3: And that is the problem of profit maximization in our society.
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Speaker 3: The problem is there is such a demand. Our system
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Speaker 3: has created the idea that you must maximize profit, and
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Speaker 3: everybody if you're nobody unless you maximize profit, right, and
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Speaker 3: the whole system is set up. If you maximize profit,
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Speaker 3: then you get shareholders to buy into your thing and
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Speaker 3: you get rich, and oh boy, you get rich. But
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Speaker 3: what happens is that the news became a secondary, a
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Speaker 3: collateral day damage to the need for profit. And this
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Speaker 3: is one of the things that really worries me about
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Speaker 3: our system because if you look at nature, if they
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Speaker 3: get make a profit, in other words, they get they
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Speaker 3: land upon a pile of resources and they start munching
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Speaker 3: on resources. One they don't try to keep anybody else
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Speaker 3: from the resources. And two the first thing they do
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Speaker 3: is create a new generation of children. And they do
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Speaker 3: that because what's important is that the DNA continues. If
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Speaker 3: that was the equivalent if companies made profit, which profit
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Speaker 3: is good. It's the maximization of profit that changes your
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Speaker 3: decision making. But profits, what you do is you'd be
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Speaker 3: putting it back into new ideas, new products, new information.
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Speaker 3: Cuts your price so more people can can get stuff.
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Speaker 3: That's not how we work. You know, a lot of
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Speaker 3: this inflation that we have recently is because companies realize
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Speaker 3: when the supply chains were down that they could just
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Speaker 3: jack up the prices and people would have to buy
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Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, their profit went way up,
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Speaker 3: and they didn't care. It wasn't important to them whether
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Speaker 3: people could afford what they were providing. They didn't care.
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Speaker 3: They were making money hand over fist and they were
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Speaker 3: getting better stock prices and they were getting rich, so yay.
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Speaker 3: And that's the disconnect. And in order to make that correct,
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Speaker 3: your brain in your body says, whoa. Everybody you only get,
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Speaker 3: you know, the stomach. You eat your food, and everything
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Speaker 3: gets distributed and everybody gets what they need. If you
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Speaker 3: eat too much, every cell gets a little a little more,
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Speaker 3: and in times of trouble, every cell gives up a little.
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Speaker 3: You know, Well, if we have to have because we
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Speaker 3: have choice, we have to have a coordination mechanism, come
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Speaker 3: in and say, fine, you can make profits, but there
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Speaker 3: have to be other considerations and other things that will
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Speaker 3: make you maybe change that only profit mindset. And that
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Speaker 3: is the concept of doing no harm. If you're going
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Speaker 3: to make a product that pollutes the water, harming people,
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Speaker 3: so we need to know and we need to make
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Speaker 3: you or we need to figure out what to do
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Speaker 3: to fix that problem. If you're making a product that
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Speaker 3: blows up and kills people, we need to know and
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Speaker 3: you need to stop. And you know I write a
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Speaker 3: lot about cigarettes. It's like, at cigarettes harm people, right,
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Speaker 3: we know that, and yet people voluntarily buy them. Then
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Speaker 3: what we the coordination mechanism has to go in and say, hey,
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Speaker 3: you need to either make a product that doesn't harm people,
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Speaker 3: or we're going to we're going to phase you out.
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Speaker 3: You know, these are the things if you have do
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Speaker 3: no harm as your mindset for society, the decisions you'd
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Speaker 3: make at the government level, at the company level, at
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Speaker 3: the parenting level would all change.
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Speaker 2: You know, I got to say what I think of ecosystem,
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Speaker 2: I think of science. So are you opening?
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Speaker 1: This book is actually dispributed and distributed in science classes
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Speaker 1: across America because this is a very different take on
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Speaker 1: the regular ecosystem we've learned.
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, the problem is it's a book that crosses
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Speaker 3: a couple of areas. It starts as science, but it
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Speaker 3: turns into sociology or philosophy. And I don't know what
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Speaker 3: it turns into. But all I can say is nature
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Speaker 3: isn't in a silo. Nature doesn't say, oh, here's my
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Speaker 3: philosophy gene, and here's my sociology gene, and we're we
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Speaker 3: may not talk together. No, no, no, Nature is everything.
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Speaker 3: Nature is holistic. This book is holistic. It talks about
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Speaker 3: science and how it applies to human life as a system.
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Speaker 3: So I honestly don't know where it belongs. It's mostly
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Speaker 3: been my publisher put it in free will and determinism
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Speaker 3: and kind of in the philosophy section. And it's as
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Speaker 3: good as anything, because heck if I know where it belongs,
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Speaker 3: because it's just I just wrote what I think nature does,
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Speaker 3: and I made the logical extension. And my hope is
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Speaker 3: that people who are really experts in their fields will
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Speaker 3: take this mindset and see if they can apply by
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Speaker 3: this mindset to their field and come up with solutions
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Speaker 3: that are good, that don't harm people, but do things
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Speaker 3: that we need, like I don't know whether it's water
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Speaker 3: systems or even like the production of plastic. If plastic,
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Speaker 3: you know, is never going to be able to be
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Speaker 3: recycled into a natural thing. We need to change how
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Speaker 3: we make plastics so they're biodegradable. You know, that's a
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Speaker 3: thing we should just require people to do.
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Speaker 2: I get plastic things another discussion for another time. It's crazy,
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Speaker 2: and I gotta ask you this because you also park on.
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Speaker 1: The ancestry right, and how we are very much the
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Speaker 1: bloodline and our industry right well, profits, industry dot common
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Speaker 1: all them are making profits of trying us trying to find.
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Speaker 2: Our family tree. But isn't that a good thing.
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Speaker 1: To try and fan your tree if there are negatives
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Speaker 1: within the tree? I mean, you get what I'm saying.
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Speaker 1: Is it a positive to look out for your ancestry
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Speaker 1: and look for that?
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Speaker 3: Well, the way I look at it, it is as
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Speaker 3: long as the process is truthful, as far as it
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Speaker 3: is my philosophy is the truth never hurts you. It
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Speaker 3: never hurts you. It informs you about what you can
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Speaker 3: do in the future. And so I don't I am
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Speaker 3: more concerned about disinformation being cast around as truth when
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Speaker 3: it's really clearly not and not having an ability of
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Speaker 3: people to discern truth and false, rather than ancestry that says, oh,
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Speaker 3: here's your ancestry, here's what you're made of. It's like, Oh,
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Speaker 3: you can decide not to react to that. You can
19:39
Speaker 3: decide to react to that.
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Speaker 2: It's your choice.
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Speaker 3: But it doesn't hurt you to have that information.
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Speaker 1: You've written a lot also about in three different parts
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Speaker 1: of the book.
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Speaker 2: By the way, So okay, break it down.
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Speaker 1: You have been on this journey for a long time,
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Speaker 1: right to try and find these answers.
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Speaker 2: So tell us a bit about your background.
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Speaker 1: How you got into writing about the human ideas human ecosystem.
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Speaker 3: Ah, well, you know, I think I'm not a scientist.
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Speaker 3: I am. I am actually an accountant an MBA.
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Speaker 2: But I.
20:16
Speaker 3: Evolved to system work. In my work, I would look
20:20
Speaker 3: at companies and see how the information flowed and how
20:24
Speaker 3: the information flowed and helped them build databases that would
20:27
Speaker 3: allow them to accomplish their goal efficiently through all the
20:32
Speaker 3: systems that they needed to. So, but that's the closest
20:37
Speaker 3: I get to life systems. But I think what happened
20:41
Speaker 3: is when I was a kid. I was about ten
20:43
Speaker 3: and I was sitting in the fourth grade class and
20:45
Speaker 3: it was Catholic school, so I knew all the religion.
20:48
Speaker 3: But I learned about evolution and I was like, how
20:52
Speaker 3: the heck?
20:54
Speaker 2: You know?
20:54
Speaker 3: We seem like I was like, oh, we come from
20:58
Speaker 3: the other animals, we seem like that, but we're really different.
21:02
Speaker 3: What what's happening there? How do we fit? And I
21:06
Speaker 3: that bugged me forever, and so every time I would
21:09
Speaker 3: learn stuff, you know, I would kind of go through this.
21:12
Speaker 3: This helped me learn how to fit. It was like
21:14
Speaker 3: a simmering, you know, on the on the back burner
21:17
Speaker 3: all my life, every time I asked a question. And
21:19
Speaker 3: I remember going to economics class in college and being like, oh, yeah,
21:23
Speaker 3: this makes all kinds of sense, the supply and demand
21:26
Speaker 3: curve and you get your price and everything. But people
21:29
Speaker 3: don't really act this way. And of course they said,
21:32
Speaker 3: given that technology doesn't change. I'm like, well, yeah, everything changes.
21:36
Speaker 3: And then I started reading these books and I got
21:39
Speaker 3: to the point and Bionomics was so close. I was like, oh,
21:43
Speaker 3: he's so close. But I disagreed with his final conclusion
21:47
Speaker 3: because his final conclusion was that we must only compete,
21:51
Speaker 3: that competition is the answer. And I think competition is
21:56
Speaker 3: always going to be part of the answer because that
21:58
Speaker 3: provides the ability need to diversify and innovate and do
22:02
Speaker 3: all kinds of other things. But it's not it's only
22:04
Speaker 3: part of the answer. And so I just worked on
22:07
Speaker 3: it and worked on it kind of in the back
22:10
Speaker 3: of my head. And then I worked on a campaign,
22:14
Speaker 3: a congressional campaign, and there was such intense interest and
22:20
Speaker 3: party leaders from the Democratic Party in this case came
22:23
Speaker 3: all from all over the country and came out to
22:25
Speaker 3: support my candidate, you know, our candidate. And I was like, Oh,
22:33
Speaker 3: this is why this is important. Why are all these
22:35
Speaker 3: people coming Why It's because they are trying to get
22:40
Speaker 3: to be part of the coordination team. The government is
22:43
Speaker 3: our coordinating It's our brain, right, the human brain is
22:47
Speaker 3: the coordinator of the body. Well, government is the coordinating
22:51
Speaker 3: system of our society. And the people who have the
22:54
Speaker 3: coordinating rules have the power, and those in because we
23:00
Speaker 3: have the power of choice, and those legislators and executives
23:04
Speaker 3: and justices can choose which decisions to make. That's where
23:08
Speaker 3: all the powers and for some reason, that made the
23:10
Speaker 3: whole thing click together. Oh there's coordination, there's competition, there's collaboration.
23:16
Speaker 3: And then I started working on how to put it
23:17
Speaker 3: together as a theory, and that just took a little.
23:23
Speaker 3: It took it took a while. It took me five
23:24
Speaker 3: years to write the first book, which I wrote as
23:27
Speaker 3: a fictional book, kind of a socratic dialogue called Dina
23:30
Speaker 3: Nature's Case for Democracy. And then from there I pulled
23:33
Speaker 3: out the theory and I wrote this new book, The
23:35
Speaker 3: Human Idea, which is just the theory. Because some people
23:38
Speaker 3: just can't take my bad jokes that are in Dina so.
23:42
Speaker 1: Well, I gotta read Deena. Now, now, let me ask
23:44
Speaker 1: you this because we're talking about government now. So this
23:47
Speaker 1: election one way or the other, it went a certain way.
23:50
Speaker 2: I was amazed. How big of a margin?
23:52
Speaker 3: Yes, me too.
23:54
Speaker 1: What could the human ecosystem tell us about that margin
23:56
Speaker 1: of victory for Trump?
23:57
Speaker 3: If I may, Well, first of all, I am I
24:02
Speaker 3: am not thrilled about the results of the election, primarily
24:05
Speaker 3: because if you look at how nature works in a body,
24:11
Speaker 3: you know, how everybody gets a fair shake. You know,
24:17
Speaker 3: nobody gets no cells get harmed in the process, right,
24:20
Speaker 3: you know. And Donald Trump is the antithesis of democracy.
24:25
Speaker 3: I mean, his his attempt to say I'm going to
24:29
Speaker 3: punish people. I'm going to use the army to hurt
24:32
Speaker 3: my my, my own, our own people, even if they're
24:38
Speaker 3: here and are contributing to our society. That is just
24:41
Speaker 3: a body would be dead if they did that, they
24:43
Speaker 3: would just be dead. It would be like, well, you're
24:46
Speaker 3: just going to go after your certain parts of your body,
24:48
Speaker 3: that's your you know, No, You're just going to be dead.
24:51
Speaker 3: But we because we have choice and we have our system.
24:54
Speaker 3: So we can put resources there. We can do ourselves
24:57
Speaker 3: great damage. And I look at I look at immigration.
25:01
Speaker 3: It's really interesting because your body gets immigrants. Every day.
25:06
Speaker 3: You eat food, right, and the food goes down. And
25:09
Speaker 3: if you eat something really good for you, the little
25:12
Speaker 3: immigrants that are potatoes and vegetables and maybe you know
25:17
Speaker 3: a piece of chicken, they get processed into all of
25:21
Speaker 3: your cell parts that allow you to keep going, and
25:23
Speaker 3: your body grows and it gets healthier. That's what our
25:27
Speaker 3: immigrants do in our society. They come in and they participate,
25:31
Speaker 3: and they're willing to work hard, and they do it.
25:34
Speaker 1: Now.
25:34
Speaker 3: Sometimes you eat some bad food, right, and you get sick,
25:38
Speaker 3: and your body will get rid of them. It says, oh,
25:41
Speaker 3: and yeah, some of our immigrants are not good, and
25:43
Speaker 3: we have systems that you know, our legal systems to
25:47
Speaker 3: process those people and meet out justice. But to say
25:51
Speaker 3: cart blanche that all immigrants are bad is just hurting
25:57
Speaker 3: your own society. And that's why this book is very helpful.
26:01
Speaker 3: I can kind of look through these things and go, well,
26:03
Speaker 3: this this doesn't even make sense. And here's why it
26:05
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense. We can go back to the systems
26:08
Speaker 3: at work our bodies and compare and say, oh, you
26:12
Speaker 3: know that's true. And our body also has a police
26:15
Speaker 3: force and in military, and it's used for the invaders
26:18
Speaker 3: that come in, like COVID nineteen, and it's like our
26:20
Speaker 3: body tries to do that. Our flu comes in. It's like, yeah,
26:23
Speaker 3: we send out the little you know, T cell military
26:27
Speaker 3: and they go and attack those guys and that works.
26:30
Speaker 3: But if you try to use the T cell or
26:32
Speaker 3: the T cells to fight your own the food that
26:36
Speaker 3: you just ate, you're going to be dead.
26:38
Speaker 2: I'd sell you.
26:39
Speaker 1: Politicians are a different animal, if I may say so.
26:42
Speaker 1: I'm sure being around that you saw a different kind
26:44
Speaker 1: of humanness in the political cycle.
26:47
Speaker 2: Yeah, you were doing.
26:48
Speaker 3: The great well, and that kind of caused me. That's
26:50
Speaker 3: why I think it was so dramatic for me, because
26:53
Speaker 3: the book is not ideological. I think sometimes it's it's
26:58
Speaker 3: more progressive on the everybody every cell should have what
27:03
Speaker 3: they need, right, And sometimes it's more conservative it's like
27:07
Speaker 3: let people do what they want. You just can't hurt anybody.
27:10
Speaker 3: So it's not ideological. It just takes the theory that
27:15
Speaker 3: I see from life and extends it to humans and says,
27:19
Speaker 3: how would our society look if we did it this way,
27:21
Speaker 3: given that we have the ability to choose things.
27:25
Speaker 1: Almost you know, I'm thinking that this when someone says,
27:28
Speaker 1: what are you thinking, Well, I can give you got
27:30
Speaker 1: to give them your book.
27:31
Speaker 2: This is what I'm thinking. You know, what are you thinking,
27:34
Speaker 2: isn't it?
27:35
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, Well I would love it if people would
27:39
Speaker 3: read the book just to get a new idea about
27:42
Speaker 3: how to see the world's problems. For me, you know,
27:44
Speaker 3: when I look at the news, it's pretty easy to
27:49
Speaker 3: to to kind of go through a problem, you know,
27:52
Speaker 3: like homelessness is a really big problem. Well, you're talking
27:56
Speaker 3: about a whole bunch of people who have no resources
27:58
Speaker 3: and maybe have some mental incapacities that might make it
28:03
Speaker 3: hard for them to survive in this world. What would
28:07
Speaker 3: a cell do? And we'll give it that sell everything
28:09
Speaker 3: it needs to become a good member of society. Well,
28:12
Speaker 3: maybe that's what we do.
28:14
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, there's so much outcry about us giving billions
28:18
Speaker 1: here and billions there, and yet.
28:20
Speaker 2: Our own problems we kind of reject. What is that about.
28:24
Speaker 3: Well, the truth is, we are by far the wealthiest
28:29
Speaker 3: country in the world, and we can choose how to prioritize.
28:33
Speaker 3: One of the things I think we do poorly is
28:35
Speaker 3: that we don't tax rich corporations enough. I think we
28:38
Speaker 3: tax regular folks plenty. In fact, I think we should
28:42
Speaker 3: maybe reduce those taxes. And I talk about taxation in
28:45
Speaker 3: my book about how most taxation should be done at
28:50
Speaker 3: the very top level, at the revenue level, so that
28:52
Speaker 3: every every worker and every company pays right off the
28:56
Speaker 3: top a little bit. Just like when you when your
29:00
Speaker 3: cells ingest their food and they get their portion. Part
29:03
Speaker 3: of their portion is to send some information up to
29:07
Speaker 3: the coordinator the brain and say this is where I'm at,
29:10
Speaker 3: so the brain knows if they need to cause a problem.
29:13
Speaker 3: Let's say, you know, you cut your finger well and
29:16
Speaker 3: it's bleeding. Well, your little cells send up information to
29:20
Speaker 3: the brain and the brain's like, okay, you know, problem
29:23
Speaker 3: on it right, index finger send down the phagosides. We
29:26
Speaker 3: got to do some cleanup down there, and that's what
29:28
Speaker 3: they do. But we don't provide any information. We don't
29:31
Speaker 3: know where these We don't have any kind of thing,
29:34
Speaker 3: you know, mechanism to do that. But we could make
29:36
Speaker 3: mechanisms that say, oh, let's let's solve these problems. And
29:40
Speaker 3: the thing like Finland did or has had a program
29:45
Speaker 3: for a couple of years where they basically gave avi
29:47
Speaker 3: a helmless person a home, they gave them an apartment.
29:50
Speaker 3: They built these apartments and they gave them apartment and
29:53
Speaker 3: five years later, eighty percent of the people who use
29:56
Speaker 3: those apartments had gotten themselves back into a place where
30:00
Speaker 3: they became just regular contributing citizens, and only twenty percent
30:04
Speaker 3: of the people were left in the homeless apartments because
30:08
Speaker 3: they got what they needed and they were able to
30:11
Speaker 3: go on and contribute. Well, we don't even address that situation.
30:14
Speaker 3: And remember it's not just I'm going to give money
30:18
Speaker 3: to these people. There's always in nature a mutual benefit
30:22
Speaker 3: and there's a mutual exchange. So when you say, okay, people,
30:25
Speaker 3: we're going to give you a home, and may we're
30:26
Speaker 3: going to give you some ability of food, and maybe
30:28
Speaker 3: we're going to teach you how to read and write,
30:29
Speaker 3: or we're going to give you a you know, an
30:32
Speaker 3: I exam and you're hearing exam. The exchange back is
30:36
Speaker 3: that these people are reporting back and saying this is
30:39
Speaker 3: working for me or not working for me. That feedback
30:43
Speaker 3: loop has to occur in order for the provider of
30:47
Speaker 3: the food you know, of these services and these resources
30:51
Speaker 3: to know whether it's working and whether they should do
30:53
Speaker 3: something different. So nothing is free. It's a feedback loop.
30:56
Speaker 3: There is an exchange of information that goes with that,
30:59
Speaker 3: and these are ways that we, you know, solve these problems.
31:03
Speaker 3: And at first, because our problem is so big, it's
31:06
Speaker 3: a big influx of money. As as it gets better,
31:10
Speaker 3: it will be less and less money going to that
31:11
Speaker 3: because you're solving these problems at the detail, at the
31:14
Speaker 3: human settle level. Right. Uh, So to this problem, we
31:20
Speaker 3: don't We don't.
31:21
Speaker 2: Know, so many us coping on my brain is your top?
31:24
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, that is a lot in the book.
31:26
Speaker 1: I love how deep this is because I got to say,
31:29
Speaker 1: as you talking about what the government can do, I
31:32
Speaker 1: also preach a little bit about how we have to
31:35
Speaker 1: look out for each other in our communities. That's also
31:37
Speaker 1: probably ecosystem is that the communities will look out.
31:40
Speaker 2: For ourselves better than the government will. Am I right
31:42
Speaker 2: on that right?
31:43
Speaker 3: Well, And remember there's government at every level. There's a
31:46
Speaker 3: federal government, there's a state government, there's city governments, there's
31:49
Speaker 3: community governments. And you can in fact create your own community,
31:53
Speaker 3: and but that community is going to have to have
31:55
Speaker 3: some leadership who set the goal and and sort of
31:59
Speaker 3: set how to do it. So of course you can
32:00
Speaker 3: make you can make a coordinating item or a coordinating
32:07
Speaker 3: structure anywhere with anybody who's willing to do it, you know.
32:11
Speaker 3: And again, the more the barrier as far as I'm concerned,
32:13
Speaker 3: as long as you know that you're trying to not
32:15
Speaker 3: harm people as the very basic minimum of what you're
32:18
Speaker 3: trying to do.
32:18
Speaker 2: You know, yes, in parenting, I know you you're a
32:21
Speaker 2: parent as well.
32:22
Speaker 1: I know that some of these school boards are going
32:24
Speaker 1: over the top against parents and stuff like that. So
32:27
Speaker 1: even on that level, there has to be a straightening
32:29
Speaker 1: out I think between parents and the school boards and
32:32
Speaker 1: making right as I'm saying what's going on in there's
32:34
Speaker 1: kids schools.
32:36
Speaker 3: Well, And I think what happens again is if you
32:39
Speaker 3: go back, there's a lot of misunderstanding what the goals are.
32:44
Speaker 3: If the goal of your school is to maximize your
32:47
Speaker 3: children's education and minimize the harm they do to each other,
32:53
Speaker 3: then then it looks different. Your decisions will be different.
32:56
Speaker 3: You don't have to ban books. You might have to
32:59
Speaker 3: say there's some age discrimination. Some books might not be
33:02
Speaker 3: good for a six year old, but are fine for
33:04
Speaker 3: a fifteen year old, of course. But again, a book
33:09
Speaker 3: with ideas does not hurt people, especially if you have
33:15
Speaker 3: proper education around it. But the whole thing, like this
33:20
Speaker 3: sort of fight about trans kids, you know, it's like,
33:24
Speaker 3: look at a trans kid does not hurt anybody. That
33:27
Speaker 3: there is no harm being done to anybody else if
33:29
Speaker 3: a kid is trans. And so the harm that's often
33:33
Speaker 3: being done is to the trans child if you're starting
33:35
Speaker 3: to make fun of them or you're treating them poorly.
33:39
Speaker 3: And they and children are particularly vulnerable as they grow
33:42
Speaker 3: up because they don't know how to be citizens yet,
33:45
Speaker 3: they don't know how to live together. If we taught
33:48
Speaker 3: them not to harm people, you know, trans kids don't
33:51
Speaker 3: hurt each other. People with blonde hair don't hurt each other.
33:54
Speaker 3: You know, people with blue eyes don't hurt each other.
33:57
Speaker 3: Those are things that we have to be able to
33:59
Speaker 3: distinguish between them, and kids on the playground should be
34:02
Speaker 3: learning this too, so that when you go and you say, look,
34:04
Speaker 3: you know, Billy, who's now? You know, Betty isn't hurting
34:09
Speaker 3: anybody by being who she is.
34:11
Speaker 2: Fine, let's go, well, I understand kids are getting ridden
34:15
Speaker 2: now if they miss gender even their own peer.
34:17
Speaker 1: I think that's wrong too, Like I just these kids
34:19
Speaker 1: don't understand what's going on, so why punish them, you
34:22
Speaker 1: know exactly?
34:23
Speaker 3: And the thing is is, but if we taught people
34:26
Speaker 3: to kind of see the world as look, I my
34:30
Speaker 3: basic responsibility is to do not harm other people. I
34:33
Speaker 3: can have questions, I can ask questions. I might not
34:36
Speaker 3: understand things, that's fine. But judgment and you know, and
34:40
Speaker 3: intolerance is not something that will make your society better.
34:47
Speaker 2: That is so true.
34:48
Speaker 1: Now I love this quote board behind you because I
34:51
Speaker 1: feel like it's live your life. So let's get into
34:53
Speaker 1: that real quick. What okay, talk about the quote board
34:55
Speaker 1: behind you? What's that tell us about the board of quotes?
35:00
Speaker 3: Okay, So i'd started. I used to live in Oregon,
35:04
Speaker 3: and I've always collected, you know, I've always loved quotes,
35:07
Speaker 3: and I kind of sought them out, and from very
35:12
Speaker 3: early on, I think I was in my late twenties,
35:15
Speaker 3: I started writing quotes on the wall when I found
35:19
Speaker 3: them because I wanted to remember them. I wanted to
35:22
Speaker 3: have them be part of me on my every day
35:25
Speaker 3: and so wherever I went, I just started a wall.
35:28
Speaker 3: And these are some of my favorites. I have the
35:32
Speaker 3: one in my book. Let's see. I don't know if
35:34
Speaker 3: I can find it. This one here, I don't know
35:36
Speaker 3: if you can see that one. I am not apt
35:41
Speaker 3: to follow blindly the lead of other men. That's in
35:43
Speaker 3: my book because Charles Darwin was. I mean, he he
35:48
Speaker 3: fought over publishing his ideas about evolution. He did not
35:51
Speaker 3: want to. He knew it was going to tear the
35:53
Speaker 3: world apart, but he finally said, I just can't. I
35:58
Speaker 3: can't not do it because I think it's true and
36:01
Speaker 3: I'm pretty much proved with all this evidence that it's true,
36:06
Speaker 3: and there's nothing that disproves it, so I gotta do it.
36:10
Speaker 3: And he just that was what he said. I'm not
36:12
Speaker 3: apt to follow blindly the lead of other men. He
36:14
Speaker 3: just couldn't do it. So I love that, and it
36:16
Speaker 3: kind of made me feel when I wrote my book
36:19
Speaker 3: that that's kind of what I was doing, because nobody's
36:20
Speaker 3: come up with this idea, and to me, it's kind
36:23
Speaker 3: of a After I read, I was like, duh, this
36:25
Speaker 3: seems so obvious, but it hasn't been mentioned in this
36:30
Speaker 3: way before, and so I'm hoping that it sparks some
36:34
Speaker 3: new understanding and how people can we can we can
36:39
Speaker 3: proceed better in the future.
36:41
Speaker 1: A couple more questions for you while I have you,
36:43
Speaker 1: an Riley, I love this conversation today.
36:46
Speaker 2: Okay, obviously, monkey Trow.
36:49
Speaker 1: We know that I was thrown in jail basically for
36:52
Speaker 1: teaching Darwinism and evolutions. But I often believe that God
36:57
Speaker 1: did make us at the beginning, and then I think
37:00
Speaker 1: they both can't you that God didn't make us happen
37:03
Speaker 1: and then we evolved.
37:04
Speaker 2: I think there's an easy way to say that, isn't it?
37:07
Speaker 3: Well, you know, the way I look at uh, God
37:14
Speaker 3: or religion or anything is is that generally my my
37:19
Speaker 3: statement is it's above my pay grade. I do not know,
37:22
Speaker 3: and I I I respect that. You know, when I
37:27
Speaker 3: when I describe the Big Bang as this this explosion
37:32
Speaker 3: of energy, I think that energy that moves everywhere is
37:39
Speaker 3: as good of an explanation of God as I can find.
37:42
Speaker 3: It is. It's just there. It's the fabric of everything
37:48
Speaker 3: we are, and it I and of course I believe
37:51
Speaker 3: even humans we are limited by our senses. I think
37:54
Speaker 3: there's energy flowing around us that we are not aware
37:57
Speaker 3: of and that we don't know. And what I what
37:59
Speaker 3: I I'm doing in my life is not worrying about it.
38:02
Speaker 3: That energy takes care of itself. I know that if
38:06
Speaker 3: I do this, maximize my choices and minimize harm. It
38:11
Speaker 3: is a little bit like living the Golden Rule where
38:14
Speaker 3: Jesus said, you know, do unto others as you would
38:18
Speaker 3: have done unto you, except it's looking at it from
38:21
Speaker 3: the reverse instead of it's or, you know, love one another.
38:24
Speaker 3: You don't have to love people. You just can't hurt them.
38:26
Speaker 3: It's like a basic common denominator that Jesus was basically saying,
38:30
Speaker 3: don't treat people like you would like to be treated.
38:33
Speaker 3: I'm just saying, don't hurt them. I don't care what
38:35
Speaker 3: it is, you don't hurt them, you know. And it's
38:38
Speaker 3: very similar in mindset, and so morality isn't limited to religion.
38:44
Speaker 3: Morality is exists in nature. Every time things collaborate, they're
38:50
Speaker 3: creating their own level of morality. It's not intentional, but
38:54
Speaker 3: it is a morality that says it's the three musketeers,
38:57
Speaker 3: all for one and one for all.
38:59
Speaker 2: You know.
39:00
Speaker 3: That is how things collaborate in nature, and that is
39:03
Speaker 3: something we could actually learn with all of our sort
39:07
Speaker 3: of self pride. We could learn to be a little
39:11
Speaker 3: more humble and say, you know, maybe we're doing a
39:13
Speaker 3: little bit of this wrong. If we don't have to
39:15
Speaker 3: tag it with an all omniscient being, we could just
39:18
Speaker 3: say this energy, this, if you want to call it,
39:22
Speaker 3: God is in every being that exists, So why don't
39:24
Speaker 3: we respect them. It's just a different perspective.
39:29
Speaker 2: Well, I agree there.
39:30
Speaker 1: I think we all have that spirituality unless we just
39:33
Speaker 1: don't tap into it either sometimes, So that's nothing. One
39:37
Speaker 1: last thing, the idea sphere can remove the ideologues, Like
39:41
Speaker 1: I just think of them as correlating a little bit
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Speaker 1: ideas ideologue. I mean, if you have more of the
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Speaker 1: ideas fear working, you can eliminate the ideologues, am I getting?
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Speaker 2: Yes? Yes.
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Speaker 3: The thing about ideologies, they are based on long held beliefs,
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Speaker 3: and these are beliefs, they aren't really anchored in fact.
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Speaker 3: It's anchored in opinion, whereas nature is anchored in fact.
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Speaker 3: This is what has worked for three point eight billion years.
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Speaker 3: So when you look at the idea sphere and you say, okay,
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Speaker 3: we can create an idea, we can create an idea
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Speaker 3: that's either good or bad, that is harmful or not armful,
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Speaker 3: helpful or not helpful. We are the first beings who've
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Speaker 3: been able to make that choice. It's essential. It's like,
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Speaker 3: you know, it's like a cell being able to choose
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Speaker 3: which DNA instructions it's going to follow. We can choose
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Speaker 3: which ideas to follow and which ones not to, and
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Speaker 3: we can make bad ideas. We can make bad decisions,
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Speaker 3: and we can make bad actions just as easily as
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Speaker 3: we can make good ones, and we can keep them
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Speaker 3: going for thousands and thousands of years. And we don't
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Speaker 3: have the quality checks that nature just has. Because if
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Speaker 3: you make a bad idea, you make a bad move
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Speaker 3: in nature, you're dead. You know, it's unforgiving in that
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Speaker 3: regard full account of We destroyed accountability by being able to,
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Speaker 3: you know, say oh, you know, let's go to war
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Speaker 3: and let's kill all these other people and they are
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Speaker 3: going to kill us. Great, we win, We got all
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Speaker 3: the stuff. And that's a bad idea that keeps going
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Speaker 3: if you want to look at it how nature nature works.
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Speaker 3: You know, nature only kills when it needs to eat,
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Speaker 3: and it won't do it otherwise because too risky, it's
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Speaker 3: too dangerous.
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Speaker 2: Well, Anne Riley, the book is the Human idea.
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Speaker 1: It just came out, yes straight, and I'm so glad
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Speaker 1: to have you on the day after its release, and
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Speaker 1: please come back with more updates as you get more
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Speaker 1: into the book.
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Speaker 2: I'm guessing you're doing a book tour or well.
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Speaker 3: I haven't yet. I'm in the process of trying to
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Speaker 3: set that up. But right now, right now, I'm my
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Speaker 3: mom is very ill, so I'm hanging around home making
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Speaker 3: sure she's comfortable and we're around her. So her mind
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Speaker 3: is sharp, but her body is sort of fading. And
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Speaker 3: it has taught me a lot about out how nature
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Speaker 3: does these things, and it is it is humbling to
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Speaker 3: say the least.
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Speaker 1: Well, thank you for putting all these ideas on paper,
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Speaker 1: praying for your mom and your family.
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Speaker 2: Thank you. I love you my dad about a year
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Speaker 2: and a half ago, so I know that.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, yeah, thank you, Thank you, Willie. It
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Speaker 3: is such a pleasure to talk with you, and you're
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Speaker 3: a real inspiration to me. I listened to some of
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Speaker 3: your podcasts. I love the one about standing on one
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Speaker 3: leg because as a person who has two new hips replaced,
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Speaker 3: I do standing on my leg every day as one
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Speaker 3: of my exercises, so it was like, oh, I have this.
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Speaker 1: It would be a dereliction of duty if I didn't
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Speaker 1: talk about the study of staying on one leg exactly exactly.
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Speaker 3: It was great. I loved it just it just warmed
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Speaker 3: my heart in every every direction. So it was great.
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Speaker 3: You're just a delight.
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Speaker 1: Well, thanks for joining me in again. Love to have
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Speaker 1: you back on the Human Idea dot com is the website.
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Speaker 3: Right right, right, Okay, Well, thanks so much.
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Speaker 2: We'll check that out on the One Leg Up Network.
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Speaker 3: Thanks for joining Okay, thank you.
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