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Now we talk about sexbots · Honey Badger Radio

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  Speaker 1: All right, man, we are live. Hello everybody, and welcome
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  Speaker 1: to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian. I'm here
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  Speaker 1: with Allison, and this is maintaining frame. I know there
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  Speaker 1: was no intro. Something's going on, my obs, but it's okay.
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  Speaker 1: I just jumped. I'm jumping right in.
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  Speaker 2: Uh.
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  Speaker 1: Now we're gonna talk about well, it's just called we're
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  Speaker 1: talking about sex spots. We're not actually gonna be talking
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  Speaker 1: about sexpots.
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  Speaker 2: That much sort of could be talking about.
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  Speaker 1: We I mean sort of, but not, it's not. It's
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  Speaker 1: not the purpose of the show. So we're gonna continue
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  Speaker 1: to go through this paper, which seems to suggest that,
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  Speaker 1: you know, we're all gonna land on sex bots as
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  Speaker 1: a solution. I mean, that's what it seems to be
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  Speaker 1: pointing to.
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  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, yeah, that's ah. That's one very strong possibility
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  Speaker 2: to take from this particular paper. But of course we're
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  Speaker 2: gonna be looking at the possibility that the paper is
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  Speaker 2: not correct. I might as well say the name of
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  Speaker 2: it so that people just remind everyone, this is, like,
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  Speaker 2: how many of these we done?
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  Speaker 1: Four? I think this is like the fourth one or fifth?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, fourth or fifth going through this paper? Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: just give us. The title in the office, Yeah, the title.
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  Speaker 2: This is a paper context.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a paper from Cambridge dot org, so
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  Speaker 1: Cambridge University Press, and it is entitled Toward Individualistic Reproduction.
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  Speaker 1: Solving the fertility crisis could require a further marginalization of men.
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  Speaker 1: Put together by Mad's Larsen Leif, Edward Ottison Kinnear and
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  Speaker 1: Marianne L. Fisher, and we have been basically going through
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  Speaker 1: this for multiple shows. I think right now we are
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  Speaker 1: at the male marginalization and demotivation chapter. That's where we
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  Speaker 1: left off. So we're getting to the point now where
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  Speaker 1: it's like, okay, so what's going on with the boys
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  Speaker 1: now that we've determined that, you know, women just aren't
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  Speaker 1: finding men that are good enough. Okay, we have that information.
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  Speaker 1: Now what do we do with it? What's the solution? Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: An, what are we gonna approach How are we going
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  Speaker 2: to approach this issue of falling birth rights? Yeah, without
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  Speaker 2: questioning any any means. Yeah, any sacred cows, God, God
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  Speaker 2: forbid we question. Yeah, God for God forbid, we question
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  Speaker 2: any sacred cows, any academic sacred cows that would that
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  Speaker 2: would be that would get us a visit from the
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  Speaker 2: from the feminist mob if we ever were to even
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  Speaker 2: suggest it. But anyway, so I'm going to suggest if
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  Speaker 2: you would like to feel up some sacred crows, you
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  Speaker 2: can tend to.
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  Speaker 1: Your what what sacred feel up? Did you say? Feel
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  Speaker 1: up some sacred cows?
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  Speaker 2: Yes?
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  Speaker 1: I heard.
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  Speaker 2: think I think we're pretty much yet you know, I
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  Speaker 1: All right, well did yeah, let's do it. But I
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  Speaker 1: got a super chat right at the top of the show,
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  Speaker 1: so I'm gonna read it out and then jump in.
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  Speaker 1: So Dylan gave us five dollars super chat and said,
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  Speaker 1: I have one of those. I have one of these
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  Speaker 1: real dolls. They are very expensive and take a long
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  Speaker 1: time to make. Mine took one and a half years
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  Speaker 1: to make. Hmm, well, I don't have to tell you,
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  Speaker 1: but okay, there you go.
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  Speaker 2: Then okay, all right.
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  Speaker 1: So let's get into the article. Yes they are okay,
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  Speaker 1: male marginalization and motivation. Even if a further individualization of
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  Speaker 1: reproduction makes sense, the downside for some groups of men
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  Speaker 1: could be considerable. All right, they pause it there some
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  Speaker 1: groups of men. I actually think it's gonna be most men.
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  Speaker 1: And I think the paper even acknowledges this at the top,
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  Speaker 1: that if this goes through, because women are only picking,
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  Speaker 1: if they're only interested in the very highest levels of men,
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  Speaker 1: the most high status man, whatever, best genetics, whatever it is, right,
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  Speaker 1: which I think that's what they're doing. I mean that
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  Speaker 1: was yeah. Anyway, then to say some groups of men
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  Speaker 1: is a bit misleading because it's going to be the
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  Speaker 1: overwhelming majority of men.
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  Speaker 2: Like, yeah, the majority. The proposal is going to increase
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  Speaker 2: the number of men who lose out, yes, and it'll
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  Speaker 2: reduce the number of men I mean, honestly, this is
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  Speaker 2: an interesting goal, but it's going to reduce the number
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  Speaker 2: of men who quote unquote win to the men who
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  Speaker 2: think that winning is just sexual extraction, you know, hitting
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  Speaker 2: and quitting it. And I'm not sure why we want
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  Speaker 2: a society like that or what we think, what good
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  Speaker 2: thing we think is going to come out of having
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  Speaker 2: all women breed with sociopaths and narcissists. But yeah, okay,
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  Speaker 2: so yeah, we're going to be a rapidly devolving the species.
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  Speaker 2: Because again, the men who will not be disenfranchised that
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  Speaker 2: by this will be the guys who don't have They're
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  Speaker 2: not going to offer provision, right, they never were. They
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  Speaker 2: have no interest in being custodial towards their families in
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  Speaker 2: that way. They have no interest in a long term
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  Speaker 2: relationship with a woman or paying her bills, right, so
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  Speaker 2: that they will just they'll engage with these women sexually
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  Speaker 2: and that's it. And again that's going to mean that
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  Speaker 2: we're selecting four men with personality disorders. So we're going
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  Speaker 2: to have this is this is, this is gonna be
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  Speaker 2: our utopian future. Guys. It is going to be all
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  Speaker 2: the children of single mothers by personality disordered men. My
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  Speaker 2: prediction is that we will be at about chimp level
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  Speaker 2: and about four generations.
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  Speaker 1: It's definitely going to get language that brave new world future. Maybe, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: if everybody's going to be born in test tubes and stuff, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I don't know if.
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  Speaker 2: That's That doesn't seem like, that doesn't seem to be
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  Speaker 2: where it's going. Where it's going is that the male
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  Speaker 2: taxpayer should basically just work for the states. So you
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  Speaker 2: guys are not You're going to be like one hundred
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  Speaker 2: and ten percent tax. They'll also take maybe an organ
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  Speaker 2: to put on the market as well. Occasionally you don't
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  Speaker 2: need two kidneys or two lungs, but anyway, so they'll
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  Speaker 2: they'll just uh, they'll just they'll just take all of
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  Speaker 2: your money and again maybe an organ or two you
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  Speaker 2: don't need. Both men don't need their full set of organs.
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  Speaker 2: What kind of entitlement aren't you, uh, recovering from your
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  Speaker 2: loss of privilege? Can you deserve two kidneys? And then
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  Speaker 2: they're just going to use all of that money give
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  Speaker 2: it to women, and of course men are going to
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  Speaker 2: be completely unattractive as partners because get this, women's standards
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  Speaker 2: for men's income has gone up over the last fifty years.
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  Speaker 2: I've been looking at the g the General Social Survey. Yeah, there,
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  Speaker 2: their standards have gone up. So women want men with
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  Speaker 2: higher incomes than they did like fifty years ago. So
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  Speaker 2: when this happens, there will be I pre well, you
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  Speaker 2: know what, probably it will just be the middle class men.
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  Speaker 2: I'm guessing the financial extractors who are closest to the
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  Speaker 2: government tit or part of the too big to fail
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  Speaker 2: complex that socializes his losses, will probably be able to
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  Speaker 2: continue to attract women. But every other guy who works
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  Speaker 2: for a living won't because his money will immediately go
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  Speaker 2: to the government to pay for single mothers. And of course,
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  Speaker 2: because he makes nothing, what's he going to attract a
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  Speaker 2: woman with, huh, his cinder block government apartment? Right, No,
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  Speaker 2: So this is basically going to disenfranchise every damn man
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  Speaker 2: except for the ones who are perfectly happy just hitting
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  Speaker 2: and quitting it with women the do he look good
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  Speaker 2: types yea, and yeah that's a that's quite it. So
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  Speaker 2: we're looking at this is this will be like the
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  Speaker 2: end to ninety nine percent of all men having any
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  Speaker 2: real investment in society. Now, the unspoken assumption by this
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  Speaker 2: paper is that under circumstances like that, men will continue
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  Speaker 2: to invest in society. And of course the reason why,
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't say that the guy who or
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  Speaker 2: the people who wrote this paper are saying the reason
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  Speaker 2: why men will continue to invest in society, but is this.
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  Speaker 2: But my guess is they'll continue or they're expected to
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  Speaker 2: continue to invest in society because if they didn't, that
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  Speaker 2: would be entitlement. So you men will have to continue
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  Speaker 2: to labor, because it would be entitlement to expect to
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  Speaker 2: have any take home income that doesn't go to single mothers.
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  Speaker 2: It would be entitlement to expect that maybe you should
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  Speaker 2: have access to the possibility of forming a family, or
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  Speaker 2: even support a system that doesn't undermine your value constantly
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  Speaker 2: as a partner to women. That's entitlement. So all of
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  Speaker 2: your rights are entitlements, okay, And when you understand that,
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  Speaker 2: you will continue to labor placidly for the state. I'm like, okay,
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  Speaker 2: let's all right, just doesn't sound very utopian.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, Oh no, I don't. Well anyway, after decades of
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  Speaker 1: men losing out financially relative to women, additional female economic
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  Speaker 1: empowerment could lead to even greater male marginalization. Yeah, I
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  Speaker 1: think it's already happening, both in terms of sexual and
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  Speaker 1: romantic exclusion, as well as the negative psychological impact downstream
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  Speaker 1: from such exclusion. The sexual economics framework of Baumeister and
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  Speaker 1: Vose emphasizes how men historically obtain sexual or romantic access
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  Speaker 1: through the provision of resources. If women gain further increases
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  Speaker 1: in economic independence, this reduces the relative importance of male
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  Speaker 1: provided resources, so that men whose utility is tied to
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  Speaker 1: provisioning would be expected to experience an additional decline in
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  Speaker 1: mate value. More generous government support women wanting to solo
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  Speaker 1: parent would thus further reduce some men's utility to women,
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  Speaker 1: which could lead to even more men being excluded from intimacy, love, fatherhood,
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  Speaker 1: and family life, deprivations that likely cause male marginalization across
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  Speaker 1: many social and economic indicators. Yeah, it sounds awful. I mean, yes,
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  Speaker 1: it sounds awful.
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  Speaker 2: What we consider to the men.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, I mean they are they're not They're
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  Speaker 1: not not realizing this. There is a lot of like
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  Speaker 1: weird language, like for example, I mean, I guess you
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  Speaker 1: have to use this kind of language, but it says here, uh,
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  Speaker 1: let's see, if women gain further increases in economic independence,
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  Speaker 1: this reduces the relative importance of male provided resources, so
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  Speaker 1: that men whose utility is tied to provisioning would be
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  Speaker 1: expected to experience an additional decline in value. Right. More
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  Speaker 1: generous government support to women wanting to solo parent would
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  Speaker 1: thus further reduce some men's utility to women, which could
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  Speaker 1: lead to even more men being excluded from intimacy, love, fatherhood,
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  Speaker 1: and family life. Right. So maybe it's just being really clinical,
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  Speaker 1: But it doesn't sound like it's saying this is a
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  Speaker 1: bad thing. It sounds like, yeah, it's like just being
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  Speaker 1: kind of clinical. Maybe it's I mean, if I'm being
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  Speaker 1: if I'm being say, charitable, and I'm gonna try to
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  Speaker 1: be charitable, Okay, yeah, I mean yeah, go ahead.
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  Speaker 2: On its face, it's it's basically presenting something that sounds
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  Speaker 2: very dystopian. I mean, if you if you consider the
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  Speaker 2: plight of men, I know that that's not really something
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  Speaker 2: we consider because ever since, ever since uh Rad femmes
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  Speaker 2: won the fight, or actually they just won the fight
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  Speaker 2: against the Marxist feminists, we have considered men to be
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  Speaker 2: the source of evil into the world. So I guess
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  Speaker 2: considering the plight of men is just a patriarchal false consciousness,
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  Speaker 2: being a pigmy, all right, protecting your privilege, Brian, Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: all of that stuff. How dare we?
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  Speaker 1: Well? It does? I do wonder maybe they think that
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  Speaker 1: because men obtained romantic or sexual access through the provision
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  Speaker 1: of resources to women. I wonder if the authors are thinking,
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  Speaker 1: and again I don't want to put words in their
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  Speaker 1: mouths or anything like that, but I wonder if they're
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  Speaker 1: not thinking that as long as men like do they
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  Speaker 1: believe that if a man thinks that his resources are
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  Speaker 1: going to women somewhere like in the abstract, that that's
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  Speaker 1: going to be good enough for him. Basically say, oh, well,
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  Speaker 1: you know, I'm being taxed all of my money and
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  Speaker 1: I'm given basically just enough to survive on. But I
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  Speaker 1: guess that means that I'm making the world a better
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  Speaker 1: place because somewhere my money is like helping somebody else
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  Speaker 1: raise their kids. Like that is that the satisfaction that
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  Speaker 1: men are supposed to get, is that supposed to be
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  Speaker 1: the good news for them? Say, hey, you know what
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  Speaker 1: this is happening to you, but it's for a good cause,
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  Speaker 1: you know, and because you're a man. Because like the
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  Speaker 1: thing is, a lot of this paper relies on or
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  Speaker 1: at least it makes claims that this is all evolutionary, right,
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  Speaker 1: Like it's all genetic stuff, Like women are not picking
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  Speaker 1: men because they don't choose men their genes to kind
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  Speaker 1: of a thing. So if they're making these kind of
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  Speaker 1: like biological arguments, then maybe they're also thinking that men
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  Speaker 1: wanting like that men acquire resources because ultimately they want
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  Speaker 1: to give their resources to women, not that they do
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  Speaker 1: it because they're trying to attract women to them and say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: I can help you raise, you know, protect a house,
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  Speaker 1: and clothe and feed you and our children. I wonder
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  Speaker 1: about that, Like I don't know, and that was something
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  Speaker 1: else too, but I can't remember it now. But I
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  Speaker 1: just wonder if they don't think that men, you know,
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  Speaker 1: knowing that they're like serving something is good enough. I
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  Speaker 1: don't know, but okay, anyway, uh So I guess we're.
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  Speaker 2: Going to the next pet If you look at it
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  Speaker 2: from if you look at it from the the theory,
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  Speaker 2: the conjectural perspective of how this concept of patriarchy evolved,
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  Speaker 2: then up to this point, men have extracted reproductive value
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  Speaker 2: out of women the way capitalists extract labor value out
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  Speaker 2: of the pro tariat. So, I mean, from that position,
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  Speaker 2: you could just argue that men have no right to
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  Speaker 2: have an invested interest in the reproduction of a particular
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  Speaker 2: woman because that is oppression, right, It's I mean, that's
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  Speaker 2: essentially that was the argument. Really, it was that radical
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  Speaker 2: feminists said, no, it's not capitalists who are the source
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  Speaker 2: of all evil, it's men. And then the Marxist feminists
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  Speaker 2: were like, yeah, that sounds true. I'm going to try
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  Speaker 2: to derive it using dialectical materialism. And then the Marxist
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  Speaker 2: feminists failed and they just dropped the subject, and then
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  Speaker 2: the ratfems won. I mean, they didn't argue over the
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  Speaker 2: fact that men were the source of all evil. They
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  Speaker 2: were just like the Marxist feminists were trying to derive
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  Speaker 2: it from Marxist conjecture and they failed, so they just
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  Speaker 2: dropped the Marxism part and kept the patriarchy part, and
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  Speaker 2: then invented standpoint theory to explain they didn't need to
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  Speaker 2: prove that patriarchy existed or derive it from Marxist theories,
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  Speaker 2: because women's ways of knowing means that they don't need empiricism,
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  Speaker 2: They don't need objective facts, right, they don't even need
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  Speaker 2: the material dialectic. They just they just need feelings and
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  Speaker 2: that's all they need. And if so facto, men are
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  Speaker 2: the source of all evil into the human race since
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  Speaker 2: the dawn of time. And if you, if you acknowledge that,
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  Speaker 2: if you accept that, we all do because we're good people, right,
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  Speaker 2: the only people worth listening to, h then again, men
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  Speaker 2: have no right to have an invested interest in women's reproduction.
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  Speaker 2: That's that suppression talk, guys. And from that, obviously, since
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  Speaker 2: your wage is how you oppress women, the only true
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  Speaker 2: way you can exist as a man is to give
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  Speaker 2: up your wage entirely to women, with no expectation of
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  Speaker 2: any kind of return. And yeah, you're right, Brian. What
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  Speaker 2: you should feel as a man in this process is
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  Speaker 2: a warm satisfaction while renouncing, renouncing your masculinity, which is
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  Speaker 2: any claim on women's reproductive labor. As a result of
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  Speaker 2: your provision and all of that, all that traditional satanic masculinity.
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  Speaker 2: You renounce your masculinity, and you feel a warm contentment
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  Speaker 2: that your money is going where it should be, going
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  Speaker 2: to a random woman you will never know, so you
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  Speaker 2: can have children with tyrone.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah or whoever or yeah or just like the you know,
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  Speaker 1: like I think that what it sounds like anyways, is
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  Speaker 1: that the And maybe I'm wrong because it's a been
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  Speaker 1: a while since I read the earlier parts of the paper,
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  Speaker 1: But wouldn't it be the case that women that use
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  Speaker 1: this initiative to have children they wouldn't know who the
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: father is either, so it would just be like, you know, father,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: I don't know one oh one.
• 21:07
  Speaker 2: B no no no, no, no no he The authors
• 21:11
  Speaker 2: of the paper went to great lengths that women should
• 21:15
  Speaker 2: be able to choose. It seems to justify women's sexual choices,
• 21:22
  Speaker 2: and that these are genetically advantageous choices for women even
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: though they're not having babies with them.
• 21:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: So, honestly, you really have to you really have to
• 21:33
  Speaker 2: prove that these are actually genetically advantageous choices for women,
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: because if you free to truly promiscuously reproducing a female
• 21:42
  Speaker 2: half of a species to do what it wants, it
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: should be producing more children. So if you if you
• 21:49
  Speaker 2: say that women's sexual sexual reproduction has been constrained by
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: patriarchy and we've now liberated it into its true promiscuous form,
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: the baby making should have increased, it isn't. And I
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: would pause it that these women know these men that
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: they're having sex with are not good fathers. They find
• 22:10
  Speaker 2: them entertaining, They do not want to reproduce with them,
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: and have said so themselves. I'd like to point that
• 22:17
  Speaker 2: out that these women consider abortion critical because they do
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: not want to reproduce with the men that they are
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: having sex with. So that would suggest that these men
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: are not actually considered genetically superior. On some level, women
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: recognize they are not genetically superior because they're not having
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: children with them. And all of this proposal rests on
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: the notion that patriarchy somehow constrained the naturally promiscuous female
• 22:50
  Speaker 2: animal from being able to just hump whatever she wants
• 22:53
  Speaker 2: and get pregnant and raise her her uh her young
• 22:58
  Speaker 2: that you know, like human young learned to walk ten
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: minutes out of the womb, you know, or they're like
• 23:04
  Speaker 2: a chimp baby. They can just cling to the fur
• 23:07
  Speaker 2: of their mother. You know, there's no real developmental delay
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: in human children, which would suggest an extended, uh extended
• 23:15
  Speaker 2: support system starting with a father. All right, No, none
• 23:18
  Speaker 2: of that. Human women are promiscuous breeders, and it's just
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: a lack of resources that's stopping them from pursuing that.
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: So steal it from men. Okay, I went in a
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: little I went in a little tangent.
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: That's all right, I'll drop read that much a tangent. No, No,
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: I will read the next paragraph. I'm gonna read the
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: next paragraph. I'm looking to see nothing.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: Yet, guys, send those super childs in your guys are
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: being quiet. Feed the badgery dot com slash just the tip.
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: I bet everybody's out on Friday night.
• 23:58
  Speaker 1: Maybe all right, maybe this marginalization and its consequences for
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: men's well being are predictable from an evolutionary perspective. The
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: reason that males and females even exist is to facilitate
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: sexual reproduction, which has a line of evolutionary benefits. According
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: to Gary twenty ten. For most species, the male's challenge
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: is to gain sexual access to females, which causes intense
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: intrasexual competition over mates, not surprisingly male. Oh yeah, sorry, go.
• 24:30
  Speaker 2: Ahead, and yet honestly, for human beings, male pursuit. Like,
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: first of all, this is very I hate to use this,
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: but this is very eurocentric, this statement. I'm surprised that
• 24:45
  Speaker 2: they would make it without realizing it. Most human societies
• 24:49
  Speaker 2: don't arrange marriages around male pursuit. They arrange it around
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: kin selection or marriage brokering, so matchmakings. And even those
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: societies like Southern Europe that do have male pursuit norms
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: romantic norms, so the kind of courtship norms, not courtly love,
• 25:11
  Speaker 2: but courtship norms, they still have a familial veto. So
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: parents still can say no if they feel like it's
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: not in their child's, you know, their son or daughter's
• 25:25
  Speaker 2: economic or social best interests to marry them to the
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: person that they're ac courting. All right, So the idea
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that this is entirely just men approaching women, that that's
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: that's actually not that. That's a Northern European thing. And yeah,
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: Southern European to a degree, and the cultures that are
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: sort of descended from the colonialization of those those European cultures,
• 25:56
  Speaker 2: but for the most part, that's not even the way
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: humans reproduce or pair up. Okay, now I want to
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: put that forth because I have been looking at this
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: very carefully. So to say that it's about male pursuit
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: of females not even really true about with for humans, right,
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: It's just true like Northern Europe's. Northern Europe is the
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: only place where you see that just straight on, like
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: men approaching women, initiating a romantic courtship, that kind of thing.
• 26:27
  Speaker 2: That's it. So to just flat out say that this
• 26:30
  Speaker 2: is the way humans do is wrong. It's not. It's
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: the way Northern Europeans do. And I'm not saying that
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: it isn't a resilient mating sort of or dating kind
• 26:46
  Speaker 2: of arrangement or courtship arrangement, because it seems to be.
• 26:50
  Speaker 2: But it isn't universal for humans, right, This is something
• 26:54
  Speaker 2: that actually has evolved later and I don't mean evolved
• 26:59
  Speaker 2: in terms of genetics, mean in terms of social systems,
• 27:02
  Speaker 2: like that model is. It might have been somewhat in
• 27:06
  Speaker 2: play and like Roman culture, but that model is like
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: it's it's it's co traveling with the church. So it's
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: only maybe a millennia old, right, So yeah, least widespread. Okay,
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: so I'm like, yeah, yeah, I think you're over extending here.
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: And if that's not the case, then you can't make
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: this one to one comparison between I don't know, humans
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: and tope antelope right with their mating mounds, you know,
• 27:41
  Speaker 2: and a male just controlling their mating mound. It's just
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: it doesn't humans don't do that way.
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: I just wonder if the evolutionary argument is this, I
• 27:55
  Speaker 1: don't know, like settled in terms of science, where you
• 27:58
  Speaker 1: can like make these pretty like massive well propose you
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: could propose potentially massive changes based on I guess evolutionary biology,
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: evolutionary psychology, whatever. Yeah. I just wonder about that because
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: it seems like this is a lot to try to
• 28:21
  Speaker 1: take on considering we don't know for sure. I don't
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: think it's gonna work, But I'm a man, what do
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: I know? I got a super chow super chow sorry
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: from Richard Bierre. He gives us five dollars and says
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: there is already a plethora of men gravitating towards the
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: lowest level of work they can earn, just so that
• 28:41
  Speaker 1: they can earn just enough to survive in their minimally
• 28:44
  Speaker 1: furnished apartment where they have just a TV, a game
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: console and the one chair. Yeah, we've talked about the
• 28:53
  Speaker 1: men leaving the workforce article, I think it was earlier
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: this week. So this is this potent, This is pot
• 29:00
  Speaker 1: eventually related to that. And yet again, you know, we're
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: treating it like this is just like where it was
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: always going to go. And that's the part that I
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: guess really gets under my skin. Yeah, because you could
• 29:17
  Speaker 1: I mean, look in theory, okay, you could construct this
• 29:22
  Speaker 1: situation and like just start it and then nudge people
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: on their way and they just follow this down and
• 29:30
  Speaker 1: they are just sort of like, you know, you just
• 29:33
  Speaker 1: keep them, you just keep them corralled on this path.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: And then when it gets to the point where it
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: looks like this, you release a paper and you're like, well,
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: it looks like things are really bad, but hey, we
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: got a solution and it involves, you know, like a
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: massive overhaul of the way we've done things for millions
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: of years because it's time to change it now. And
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: I'm just like, but this is like a recent problem, right, Well,
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: why do we act like it's always going to be
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: this way? Maybe I'm wrong, but it sounds like, you know,
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: it's like, well, this is where it was always going
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: to go, and it's like, yeah, but how did this happen?
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: It doesn't seem it seems like there's something about it
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: that is going against our nature, and it's using our
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: nature as the argument to support, like, like, you know,
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: an argument that it is our nature. But it just
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: doesn't seem to be. I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not an expert, but it's it's
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: it's suspicious to me, but okay. Not surprisingly, male psychology
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: is strongly shaped by having to succeed in this reproductive contest.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: After all, the purpose of all life is to replicate DNA.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: It is why our organisms exist Dawkins Wilson. When men
• 30:53
  Speaker 1: experience failure at its most at this most foundational task,
• 30:57
  Speaker 1: their psychology should have a strong negative react, preferably to
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: motivate more successful mating strategies. So when okay, so they're saying,
• 31:06
  Speaker 1: when they fail at this, their psychology should have a
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: strong negative reaction. So they should have a negative reaction,
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: and then that should motivate them to do something better,
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: to basically just be to get good. I guess at
• 31:21
  Speaker 1: mating strategies. Do you want to say anything about that?
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: I'm just yeah, again, this is a I mean, if
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: you're gonna, if you're gonna, if you're gonna do the
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: one to one comparison between promiscuous mating systems and the
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: wild and humans, then you've got a whole bunch of
• 31:37
  Speaker 2: kin selection and like a marriage matchmaking cultures to get
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: through before you can really make that claim, because this
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: is basically well, you know, northern Europeans sort of resemble
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: the topey antelope promiscuous mating system. Therefore, it's like, well,
• 31:58
  Speaker 2: you know, you've got on a lot of assumptions there
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: that you haven't checked and actually thought about. I think
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: I'm basically saying what you said, except.
• 32:07
  Speaker 1: Yes and more.
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: Alison ease, Okay, all right.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Back to it.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: Yeah, all right.
• 32:16
  Speaker 1: However, if pair bonding comes to be experienced as out
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: of reach, regardless of effort, we should expect adverse consequences
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: for men's motivational systems. This process could help explain why,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: as relationships have become less attainable, some men withdraw further
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: from social life, strive less for success, and experience worsening
• 32:36
  Speaker 1: mental health. Research suggests that men suffer more adverse effects
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: than women from lacking a partner.
• 32:47
  Speaker 2: No, no, actually no, I mean they do suffer adverse effects,
• 32:53
  Speaker 2: and I know that there are some men who very
• 32:56
  Speaker 2: much suffer adverse effects. But on the whole, no, women
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: are substantially lonely too. We forget that human beings are
• 33:08
  Speaker 2: pair bonders. There's something sort of missing when you don't
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: have another half. And I don't mean that to like
• 33:16
  Speaker 2: stigmatize stingles, but it just sort of is a biological
• 33:20
  Speaker 2: reality for a pair bonding species. So, no, women are
• 33:22
  Speaker 2: not happier. They have more to compensate. They got more
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: sources of dopamine and oxytocin hits than men do. But
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: then yet they're still dealing with greater mental health issues,
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: especially the closer they get to the epicenter of the smashed.
• 33:42
  Speaker 2: The patriarchy ideology that frames literally frames like this is literal.
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: Now I can say this, and I have all the
• 33:51
  Speaker 2: receipts to say this ratfends one. And they framed the
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: relationship between men and women, that is, a man and
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: a woman in a pair bond, which is what our
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: what our species does. Okay, they framed that as the
• 34:06
  Speaker 2: site of female oppression.
• 34:09
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: All the receipts are in line, now, okay, and so
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: I can assert this and anybody says, oh, no, that's
• 34:19
  Speaker 2: that's that's just the bad feminism. Nope, that's all feminism.
• 34:23
  Speaker 2: That is the feminist inheritance from about nineteen eighty four on,
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: because that's when the entire discussion stopped and it was
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: just decided, and I mean decided. It was never proven,
• 34:36
  Speaker 2: it was never derived that the site of women's oppression
• 34:40
  Speaker 2: was their relationships with men, their sexual and romantic relationships
• 34:44
  Speaker 2: with men. That's where it was situated. I think it
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: was McKinnon. McKinnon said, Yeah, Catherine McKinnon that said that
• 34:56
  Speaker 2: sexuality is to women, labor is to communism, is to Marxism.
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Okay, right there, right there, and the closer women are
• 35:11
  Speaker 2: to the epicenter of that corruption. And it's it's like
• 35:16
  Speaker 2: every single bit of feminism, now, guys, is radfem Every
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: single bit of it is radical. You know. I had
• 35:24
  Speaker 2: this really interesting conversation with my father once and he
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: told me, because he was part of this whole, he
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: my mother was a feminist in the seventies. She got
• 35:35
  Speaker 2: over it, right, and he told me that while he
• 35:39
  Speaker 2: was like helping out with this this stuff. At the time,
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: people didn't believe in patriarchy, like patriarchy with theory was
• 35:50
  Speaker 2: con secture was not a thing, right. The average person
• 35:55
  Speaker 2: did not believe that men oppressed women and that the
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: sight of female oppression was in the relationship between a
• 36:01
  Speaker 2: man and a woman. This was not a common belief,
• 36:06
  Speaker 2: this belief which is now everywhere, and how many people
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: believe it. You pull someone off the street and ablie,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: yeah ah ah ah aah that's totally true. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, right.
• 36:16
  Speaker 2: How many people believe it now? That's thanks to the radfems,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: and the rad fems are all of feminism. One hundred
• 36:24
  Speaker 2: percent of feminism now believes that the sight of oppression
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: for women is in men, and the closer that women
• 36:33
  Speaker 2: are to that particular framework, the less they bond with men.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: What a shock I mean is anybody surprised?
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: Right?
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: Is anyone surprised? The closer they are to that eye surprise?
• 36:48
  Speaker 2: For one, the less they bond with men and get this, guys,
• 36:54
  Speaker 2: the more likely they are to be on SSRIs, the
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: more likely they are to report mental health issues, and
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: more likely they are to create tiktoks where I'm watching
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, this woman is seriously deranged. Have you noticed,
• 37:09
  Speaker 2: like that's this kind of behavior. I mean, I thought
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: I was deranged. Is kind of not just the bird hands.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: It's like it's kind of like I'm like, oh my god,
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: are you having a seizure, an ideological seizure, like right
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: now on the screen. Like it's just this kind of
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: derangement that's actually very difficult cringey to watch. I apologize guys,
• 37:35
  Speaker 2: because I was just cringey right there. I got too
• 37:37
  Speaker 2: much into it. But it's like you've seen these tiktoks
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: where I've yeah, it feels like the woman is like
• 37:47
  Speaker 2: one one like uh one irritation from from snapping and
• 37:57
  Speaker 2: like biting the heads off of chihuahuas or something, just
• 38:01
  Speaker 2: like just just on the edge of complete derangement. And
• 38:05
  Speaker 2: it's like they have this emotional affect where it's moving
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: all over the place very quickly, without a sense of
• 38:11
  Speaker 2: any contnuity. And I'm like watching this and it's like
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: this is cringingly deranged. It's not even amusingly deranged. It's
• 38:22
  Speaker 2: like horrifyingly deranged. You know. I will show you an
• 38:26
  Speaker 2: example you guys can show the audience. They know that
• 38:28
  Speaker 2: I'm not the one who's making this up. But anyway,
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: the closer that these women are to the idea that
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: men the sight of female oppression is their relationship to men.
• 38:42
  Speaker 2: The more they're on drugs to control their mood disorders,
• 38:48
  Speaker 2: the more mental health issues they report having, the less
• 38:52
  Speaker 2: actual relationships they have, the more they're basically compensating with
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I don't know, ideological fever for having anything worth having
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: in their lives. So it's like, there's this is the
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: this is the this is a sweet suite of things
• 39:10
  Speaker 2: that travel together. So when they say that women are
• 39:14
  Speaker 2: better off when they're single, I don't think so. I
• 39:20
  Speaker 2: don't think so at all. I think And the other
• 39:22
  Speaker 2: thing is I think men are much more capable of
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: saying this is the problem, whereas women, of course, have
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: swallowed they've been swallowed this idea that the relationship is
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: a problem and not a solution. And if they if
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: they actually question that, then they are going to be
• 39:42
  Speaker 2: kicked out of the sisterhood, right, I mean, like, what
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: what does the sisterhood actually do for anyone? But whatever,
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: So they're gonna be kicked out of the sisterhood. So
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: they will, uh, they will swallow all of this even
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: if it makes them miserable, and they'll lie about being miserable,
• 39:58
  Speaker 2: and they'll lie to themselves about what is making them miserable.
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: So you know when they say, oh, yeah, women are
• 40:04
  Speaker 2: fine being lonely. Are you sure about that? Are you sure?
• 40:11
  Speaker 2: I can show you some pretty deranged shit? Okayle's all right,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I got it.
• 40:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got a super chat and then I'll read
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: some more. Uh, sig magri three two three six. I
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: don't know who this is. I think it's a new person,
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: they said for two dollars. Hi, guys listening and learning.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Thank you, Sig. I'll just call you sig. Okay, appreciate
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: the super chat. He's on the vertical, so all right people, Yes,
• 40:40
  Speaker 1: hello vertical people, let us continue. Yes, the vertical is
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: working well. All right? So where was I? However, if
• 40:50
  Speaker 1: pair bonding comes to be experienced as out of reach,
• 40:53
  Speaker 1: regardless of effort, we should expect adverse consequences for men's
• 40:58
  Speaker 1: motivational systems. Yes, this process could help explain why, as
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: relationships have become less attainable, some men withdraw further from
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: social life strive less for success and experiencing. Oh, I
• 41:10
  Speaker 1: already read that part experience worsening mental health. Research suggests
• 41:13
  Speaker 1: that men suffer more adverse effects than women from lacking
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: a partner, living in an environment that has an abundance
• 41:19
  Speaker 1: of single women, a mating morality that impels self realization,
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: also through uncommitted sex and dating apps that muddle the
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: line between short and long term mating seems increasingly challenging
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: for excluded men. Research on incels shows that them having
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: low mate value does not motivate a stronger long term orientation,
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: which would be the adaptive response. In fact, they desire
• 41:45
  Speaker 1: more partner variety than other men. Penkey at all. That's
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: what they're saying here with to look it up, warned
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: against the mental health consequences of if more low value
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: men are motivated by today's soilk up culture to try
• 41:59
  Speaker 1: to fulfill they're innate desire for partner variety. But the
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: thing is, I don't. They're saying that this research on
• 42:09
  Speaker 1: in cells shows that them having low mate value does
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: not motivate a stronger term long term orientation, which would
• 42:18
  Speaker 1: be the adaptive response. In fact, they desire more partner
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: variety than other men. So they're saying, if you were
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: an in cell, or you were like low sexual value,
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: then the thing that you would that would normally be
• 42:33
  Speaker 1: adaptive to your to to basically improve your odds is
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: to move away from trying to hook up and towards
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: like committing to one person. But they're saying that the
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: in cells are not doing that, that they actually low
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: these men want more variety than other men.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: And.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: That pankey worn against the mental health health consequences of
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: more if more low value men are motivated by today's
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: soak up culture to try to fulfill their innate desire
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: for partner variety. Uh, that's what they're saying. I don't
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: I don't know if it's true. I guess we'd have
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: to look at the actual paper, right, do in cells want? Yeah? Costello,
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: W Rolane, V. Thomas A. G. And Smith Levels of
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: war well being among men who are in cell Evolutionary
• 43:29
  Speaker 1: Psychological science and as a Google scholar link, so I will,
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: I'll just look here, levels of well being among men
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: who are in cells, involuntary cell of it. I believe
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: we're already doing papers on in cells. That's crazy, But
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: I think what if, like, what what if it's not
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: because they just want a lot of variety. What if
• 43:52
  Speaker 1: it's because they just want to, like I don't know,
• 43:56
  Speaker 1: improve their odds as much as possible. So they're just
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: into multiple women to talk.
• 44:05
  Speaker 2: The effects of depredation, deprivation. Yeah, yeah, yeah, so it's
• 44:09
  Speaker 2: just you know, the fantasy of plenty. That doesn't mean
• 44:14
  Speaker 2: that they're gonna what turn their nose up at a
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: woman who's interested.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Oh, I don't think so.
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: But no, No, I don't think so at all.
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I don't. I don't think
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: That's the other thing too, is that like I don't
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: know what the sample size was for this. I don't
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: know like which quote unquote in cells they spoke to
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: that these people's self identifies in cells? Did you just
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: like ask them if they were guys that had a
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: dry spell? Were they men who had never ever been
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: with a woman ever? Like they only know, you know,
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: of women through the internet or porn consumption or prostitution
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: like whatever. Is it just that because like I don't,
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I just this raises more questions, thannswer
• 45:00
  Speaker 1: more questions.
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: This is this is this is creating more questions.
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, robot, I will analysis. Roberto, what's going on? Yeah,
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: Roberto gives us a dollar on Rumble and says, a
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: lot of Western modern women are claiming Islam only to
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: then try to become an apostate. So is real Islam
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: the answer for feminists who claim Islam as feminists? Islam
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: is the most feminist religion. I'll just say that, but
• 45:34
  Speaker 1: I don't know that other feminists would would agree to it.
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: And I think ultimately Islam, like any other organized religion,
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: could still fall victim to the same gynocentric tactics that
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: put like the West in this situation. So I don't
• 45:52
  Speaker 1: think Islam is safe from feminism. I think that they're
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: more likely to push back, but I don't think that
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: they're immune, you know. I mean look at like, say,
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: let's say that you think that it's just Christian countries
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: that are affected by this stuff. Look at India, which
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: is primarily Hindu, right I believe, and it's Muslim and
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: they have big feminism. Look at places like Korea or Japan,
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: which are primarily you know, Buddhists or Shinto or something
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: like that, they have big problems. Like Japan is worse
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: than you think, not as bad as South Korea, but
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: worse than you think. I think China has feminism, but
• 46:35
  Speaker 1: I don't think that China talks about it much. They
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: don't want people to know. They're probably dealing with it, though.
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: I think China has more of a very uh it
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: has like a really strong status kind of culture. And
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: I won't get too much into it, but yes, Korea
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: has a feminism problem. However, that feminism problem was an
• 47:03
  Speaker 2: import from the West during the Asian financial crisis and
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: a component of being helped out of being a debuter nation.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: So the reason why, for example, golf states Middle Eastern
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: golf states still keep their custodial laws which support the
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: kin selection is because they're not debuter nations. They are
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: credit or nations. Whenever the Western credit or complex gets
• 47:30
  Speaker 2: into a place, they install or somehow, feminism is a
• 47:35
  Speaker 2: co traveler of the financial things that they create. In Korea,
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: in particular, they had to smash this social and political
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: and legal role of men as providers in order to
• 47:49
  Speaker 2: fire the workforces of these family run cartels and turn
• 47:56
  Speaker 2: them into assets to sell globally, and that required getting
• 48:02
  Speaker 2: rid of the custodia laws, and it also imported this
• 48:07
  Speaker 2: rad femme relationships with men or the site of female oppression.
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: So yeah, all of these places have feminism, usually as
• 48:18
  Speaker 2: a result of it being imported along with a whole
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: bunch of Development Bank International Development Bank loans. So it's
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: like it's part and parcel in becoming part of the
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: globalizational globalization network or whatever empire. It's interesting how those
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: two go hand in hand. But so, I mean it
• 48:41
  Speaker 2: is it is sort of a Western export and it's
• 48:45
  Speaker 2: not necessarily native to those cultures. And then it when
• 48:48
  Speaker 2: it arrives, it decimates. It just it just destroys. It
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: destroys families. It destroys like the entire process of men
• 49:00
  Speaker 2: and women coming together and creating families, because you know,
• 49:03
  Speaker 2: that's sort of what the people who created it said
• 49:06
  Speaker 2: it would do and wanted it to do. You know.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: That's that's what's what's so hilarious about this is because
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: these women said, yeah, we want to smash family, we
• 49:15
  Speaker 2: want we want to destroy it mm hmm, and and
• 49:17
  Speaker 2: everybody's like they didn't. Feminists don't want to destroy family.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: It's like the whole remember Black Lives Matter, and we
• 49:25
  Speaker 2: brought up like years before they became a big household name,
• 49:29
  Speaker 2: we brought up the fact that they literally said we
• 49:32
  Speaker 2: want to destroy, we want to destroy black men's role
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: in the family.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it was right there on the website that it
• 49:40
  Speaker 1: was right there, and they literally wanted to like black
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: men were their enemy. They were just yeah, they were
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: useful when they died. They were useful to like, you know,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: push for protests and riots and change and all this
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: and what they were but they were and money especially,
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: but they were definitely the enemy.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, it's the same thing.
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: It's like straight white people of black people.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: They import this this kind of this this belief system,
• 50:14
  Speaker 2: and it really is just one belief system, Like everything
• 50:17
  Speaker 2: else in feminism is just support for this one belief system,
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: which is that, uh, heterosexuality is the site of female oppression.
• 50:25
  Speaker 2: Everything else is just support like interested sorry, standpoint theory
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: is just how they explain why they don't have to
• 50:32
  Speaker 2: prove it. Like they got went through this whole Marxist
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: feminists versus radical feminist argument. Marxist feminists were like, we
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: can't derive this. The radical feminist like world shut up,
• 50:42
  Speaker 2: doesn't matter, and then the standpoint theorists were like, yeah,
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: women's ways of knowing, we don't need empirical evidence, right,
• 50:48
  Speaker 2: we feel it. It's in our heart esticles that we
• 50:52
  Speaker 2: are oppressed. That's all the evidence we need. And so
• 50:55
  Speaker 2: they went on their merry ways, having even abandoned the
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: attempt to derive patriarchy Marxism and uh yeah, that's uh
• 51:04
  Speaker 2: so that's all in the record, and so it's never
• 51:08
  Speaker 2: actually like they have never actually feminism has never proposed
• 51:13
  Speaker 2: patriarchy as something you could even falsify, much less proven it.
• 51:18
  Speaker 2: So there's nothing behind it. And again, literally they're asserting
• 51:22
  Speaker 2: that men oppress women the way a capitalist in Marxist
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: conjecture oppresses a labor force. So men, that is, a
• 51:34
  Speaker 2: husband is oppressing his wife, right, he's e miserating his wife,
• 51:41
  Speaker 2: he's sicking the Pinkerton's on his wife to break up
• 51:44
  Speaker 2: the wifely labor union. Right, he's exploiting her labor. He's
• 51:48
  Speaker 2: extracting value out of his wife, and he's also enforcing
• 51:53
  Speaker 2: it all through rapes and beatings. Doesn't that sound like
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: every marriage you've ever seen? Right, It's it's really unfortunate
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: that women tend to beat more than beat men more
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: than the reverse. That's just that keeps coming up every
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: time they check, I unfortunate finding, But yeah, that's their assertion,
• 52:12
  Speaker 2: like there is when you understand it, there is absolutely
• 52:17
  Speaker 2: nothing worth a damn in feminism at all. Right, Yes,
• 52:24
  Speaker 2: And the thing is that what's really hilarious is having
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: gone through this, I've realized that Soviet feminism in Japanese
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: femininism proved that even more because you could promote women
• 52:37
  Speaker 2: in the workplace, you could promote women's education, and you
• 52:41
  Speaker 2: don't have to say crap like men or the relationship
• 52:46
  Speaker 2: between men and women is the site of female oppression.
• 52:48
  Speaker 2: That's not necessary. So even if you regard it franchise
• 52:54
  Speaker 2: of women or women in the workplace or women in
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: education as a necessity because of changing economic norms, whatever,
• 53:01
  Speaker 2: you don't have to do it with a vehicle of
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: regarding men as the oppressors of women. It's not necessary.
• 53:11
  Speaker 2: So they just went the extra hideous bad faith demonizing
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: mile in the West. They just went that extra mile
• 53:22
  Speaker 2: just to you know. And what really astounds me about
• 53:24
  Speaker 2: this whole thing, and again, this isn't Soviet feminism. They
• 53:28
  Speaker 2: just stopped with emancipating women to go into the workplace.
• 53:31
  Speaker 2: And I can't believe them crediting Soviet with anything. But yes, right,
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: they just did that. It was Western feminism. It was
• 53:41
  Speaker 2: the feminism that rose out of women being granted the
• 53:44
  Speaker 2: greatest amount of leisure, financial stability, security, and comfort in
• 53:49
  Speaker 2: all of human history. And they took that and they
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: looked at their husbands and they said, you are oppressing
• 53:56
  Speaker 2: me like a slave owner, like a capitalist. And Marxist
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: theology or Marxist ideology. Right, that's what they freaking did.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: And it just astounds me that they these women, these
• 54:13
  Speaker 2: women lives of leisure. And the thing is that they
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: could have gotten a library card, they could have taken
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: adult learning at college, right, they could have availed themselves
• 54:25
  Speaker 2: of all kinds of entertainment that was at the time
• 54:28
  Speaker 2: soap operas. For God's sake, why do you think they
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: started then, right, because these women needed entertainment. They could
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: have done all of that. They could have enriched themselves
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: with their leisure. Instead, you know, they could have done
• 54:41
  Speaker 2: what the men in Athens did, created a whole new
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: basis of philosophical thought. Instead, they turned to the men
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: giving them this leisure. They called them their oppressors. They
• 54:55
  Speaker 2: went that extra mile in the west, that extra mile.
• 54:59
  Speaker 2: I just like it's just I look at that, I'm like,
• 55:04
  Speaker 2: how do you how how how do you? How do
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: you do that? How does that freaking make sense? Oh?
• 55:18
  Speaker 2: This man who's busting his ass optic So I can
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: have uh, eight hours of free time a day that
• 55:25
  Speaker 2: nobody else has. And that's still true for homemakers today,
• 55:29
  Speaker 2: so no doubt it was true in the fifties, if
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: not more so. Right, homework homemakers today work about ten hours,
• 55:38
  Speaker 2: ten to twenty hours. So it's a part time job
• 55:42
  Speaker 2: if that. And it's a part time job that they
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: control every hour of They decide what they do every
• 55:49
  Speaker 2: minute of their day. Yep, And uh yeah, everybody else
• 55:54
  Speaker 2: has to work twice as hard. And these are the women, Like,
• 55:58
  Speaker 2: it's not the working women who did that, they were
• 56:01
  Speaker 2: busy working. It's literally the homemakers who cook this shit
• 56:04
  Speaker 2: up and then inflicted it upon the rest of society,
• 56:09
  Speaker 2: the house concubines created by the Madison Avenue concept of
• 56:14
  Speaker 2: a luxury good as a stay at home woman. All right,
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: this is this is them, This is their hoof prints.
• 56:21
  Speaker 2: I don't know what to say. I'm like, I guess
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: what we should do going forward, guys, is never give
• 56:26
  Speaker 2: women that much leisure. Again, it doesn't work out.
• 56:32
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, okay, since so this is I guess it's
• 56:41
  Speaker 1: looks like it's a quote from I don't know, it's
• 56:44
  Speaker 1: just a weird paragraph. Okay, So I think this is
• 56:47
  Speaker 1: a quote from the thing about the mental health consequences
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: of more low value men losing access. Basically, since short
• 56:57
  Speaker 1: term mating tactics are approximately more reward and ultimately more
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: adaptive for men than for women, and since as a consequence,
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: women become especially selective when choosing a short term mate,
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: only a small fraction of men with extraordinarily high mate
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: value will be able to successfully pursue a short term tactic.
• 57:17
  Speaker 1: According to the motivational mechanism proposed by Alan and Baddock
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: or Badcock, it's unfortunate short term strategies should be avoided
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: as a consequence of depressive affect. This interpretation is consistent
• 57:32
  Speaker 1: with the literature on depression, which is often triggered by
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: failure and courtship relationships or status driving. We therefore predict
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: that many men could face even poorer or fair even
• 57:46
  Speaker 1: poorer if women further emphasize short term strategies as a
• 57:50
  Speaker 1: consequence of being in a stronger position to reproduce without
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: needing a partner for economic and other support. Women may
• 57:57
  Speaker 1: choose to become pregnant mostly with them mostly with the
• 58:00
  Speaker 1: most sought after men, even if these are unwilling to
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: pair bond. A more extreme view is that perhaps men
• 58:07
  Speaker 1: should not have to pay child support, particularly if experiments
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: show that women are mostly interested in having children with
• 58:14
  Speaker 1: the most compelling men and those men are not willing
• 58:17
  Speaker 1: to participate. If it entails an economic downside. These would
• 58:21
  Speaker 1: be drastic measures, but we believe they could be justified
• 58:24
  Speaker 1: by the existential stakes of solving the female choice fertility paradox.
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: Do you want to say anything to that?
• 58:36
  Speaker 2: Have I not said enough?
• 58:38
  Speaker 1: I mean, I'm just I don't know. This sounds like
• 58:43
  Speaker 1: it's going to be way more disastrous than they're disastrous
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: than they're saying. I mean, women may choose to become
• 58:51
  Speaker 1: pregnant mostly with the most sought after men, even those
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: are unwilling to pair bond. I don't think that that's
• 58:58
  Speaker 1: I don't think that's how it's going to work out, though, Well.
• 59:03
  Speaker 2: Mean, I guess the assumption is if you pay for
• 59:06
  Speaker 2: the entirety of reproduction for women, yeah, yeah, and also
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: that these women, you know, they have a child and
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: they're completely set for life, and then somebody else can
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: do it, right, you can drop the kid off and
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: someone else actually raises it that the women will actually
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: get pregnant with these men that they're already having sex with. Yeah,
• 59:29
  Speaker 2: and then I mean, ultimately the question becomes who pays
• 59:32
  Speaker 2: for it? But that doesn't matter. I guess they think
• 59:35
  Speaker 2: the government, but they don't realize that the government has
• 59:37
  Speaker 2: to it has to come from somewhere. Yeah. I don't like,
• 59:42
  Speaker 2: I mean, I've said multiply that this is not going
• 59:45
  Speaker 2: to work, but yeah, like, I don't know what else
• 59:51
  Speaker 2: to say. It's just it's a it's a horrible idea.
• 59:57
  Speaker 2: The individual who wrote this says that this is just
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 2: opening the discussion.
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: So yeah, uh okay.
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 2: Wait, this would be drastic measures, but we believe they
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 2: could be justified by the extra.
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 1: Stakes of solving the female choice.
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 2: For fe male choice fertility paradox. What is the female
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 2: choice fertility paradox? Or is this like a new phrase
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: that's being introduced.
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: Let's see, I think it was meant talked about earlier
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: in the document, but I will just look it up.
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: Choice fertility paradox describes a phenomenon where women in gender
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 1: equal resource high resource rich societies with economic independence and
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: effective contraception tend to prioritize short term, non bonded mating
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 1: strategies over stable pair bonding, leading to lower national fertility rates.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 1: So yeah, I think it's basically talking about like in
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 1: these like Nordic countries where they supposedly fixed equality, the
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 1: best women are having fewer kids and and they have
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 1: but they have like economic independence, supposedly an effective contraception.
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 2: Nowhere in this question is telling women that heterosexuality is
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 2: the side of female oppression, you know, like the not
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 2: that's the radical lesbians, but the relationship marriage is the
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 2: side of female oppression. Nowhere do they consider that as
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 2: a possible point of why women aren't getting partnered and
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 2: thus not having children. Nobody, nobody even thinks about that,
• 1:01:37
  Speaker 2: Like this is the this is the astounding thing. We
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 2: have a group of people who literally said they are
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 2: going to destroy relationships forming between men and women, and
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 2: they introduced this concept that marriage is the site of
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 2: oppression for women. Heterosexuality is the side of oppression for
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 2: women in some of the extreme versions. I guess that's
• 1:01:58
  Speaker 2: radfem Now, so marriage is the site of oppression. Relationships
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 2: to the men is the side of oppression. And we
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 2: can't look at that and say, maybe they were successful
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 2: at destroying relationships between men and women with this thing
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 2: that is explicitly designed to destroy relationships between men and women.
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 2: Maybe they were successful at that, you know. And that's
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 2: why in these cultures where that particular belief system is
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 2: very prevalent, there is a lower fertility. Now, of course,
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 2: every culture is really going down to that level even further, right,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 2: and it also depends on the pre existing mating regime
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: or relationship formation regime. In matchmaking cultures, it just utterly craters.
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 2: That's what Korea looks like right now. But you know, like,
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: maybe we could consider that the reason why, uh, pair
• 1:02:57
  Speaker 2: bond formation and thus the fertility that's downstream of marriage
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: or even cohabitation is failing is because we have a
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 2: whole bunch of idealogues telling women that bonding with a
• 1:03:12
  Speaker 2: man is self annihilation? Like, could could that be? Could
• 1:03:18
  Speaker 2: that be the problem? Huh? Like maybe? And not only that,
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 2: but the idealgues who say that bonding with a man
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: is self annihilation also say, yeah, hey, we're we're after
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 2: destroying human bonding, you know, pair bonding between men and women.
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: We're after, you know, smashing that. So yeah, can we
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: just can we like pause and maybe entertain that possibility? Now?
• 1:03:44
  Speaker 2: Of course, people in academia can't because if they did,
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: they would be visited by the feminist mob, who would
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: tell them, oh, that's a really nice career you got.
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: There be shame if someone would falsely accuse you of
• 1:03:58
  Speaker 2: making a hostile workplace. Huhm, wouldn't it. Well, that would
• 1:04:03
  Speaker 2: be a shame, you know. So only only edge runners,
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: autist edge runners like me can say this stuff. And Brian,
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 2: but he's not an autist edge runner, he's a normal person.
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's just no, that's okay.
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: I'm okay with being normal. I think it's just a
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: matter of incentives. That's what. That's the thing that I
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 1: think is the problem here. The assumption is that women
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 1: like women are not having kids in these like you
• 1:04:38
  Speaker 1: know what is the paradox again, Women in gender equal,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 1: resource rich societies with economic independence and effective contraception tend
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: to prioritize short term, non bonded mating strategies over stable
• 1:04:50
  Speaker 1: pair bonding so yeah, why wouldn't they, Like if you don't,
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: if you are under the belief that the reason why
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: you were on this planet is to just get whatever
• 1:05:03
  Speaker 1: you can out of life, like, get everything that makes
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: you happy, and only focus on that yourself, your career,
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  Speaker 1: your money, like the you know, whatever material goods you
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: can get your hands on, how long you can live,
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: what you can eat, where you can live, that kind
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  Speaker 1: of thing. Then kids are not going to be on
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  Speaker 1: that list. Now that doesn't mean that they're not gonna
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  Speaker 1: get the baby rabies later on, but if they're already
• 1:05:27
  Speaker 1: investing in I want this right now because I was
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  Speaker 1: told I deserve it, and I live in an environment
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  Speaker 1: where this is completely plausible, where I could just go
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  Speaker 1: through my whole life, not look for a man, not
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 1: want any kids, just make money, stack cash, you know,
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  Speaker 1: buy the house, buy the stuff, get the car, and
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: then just bang random dudes that I meet because I
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 1: can and I don't have to stick around. Like this
• 1:05:54
  Speaker 1: is what we have incentivized, because there hasn't been a
• 1:05:59
  Speaker 1: focus or or even a discussion or proposal that maybe
• 1:06:04
  Speaker 1: some people, if not most people want to start families,
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  Speaker 1: even the ones who don't know that they do yet.
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  Speaker 1: You know, like there's probably young men and women that
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  Speaker 1: are just like, oh, I don't want to get married.
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  Speaker 1: But then they will, you know, in due time, they
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: will have that urge and they'll probably have missed their
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  Speaker 1: chance and it'll be another one of those things where,
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: especially with women, if they put it off because they're like, well,
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: you know, they're being told by everything, like every message
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: out there for women is, you know, you're don't get
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  Speaker 1: tied down. And like you said, Allison, marriage and men
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  Speaker 1: are oppression. They are an obstacle. They are a problem
• 1:06:46
  Speaker 1: for you. They're gonna be you know, in the past,
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  Speaker 1: your mom, your grandma, your great grandma, they've had it
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  Speaker 1: so much worse. You are the most free a woman
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  Speaker 1: will ever be get the most out of it. And
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: those women will go and they'll basically go into their
• 1:07:00
  Speaker 1: thirties and they'll be going to the club every weekend,
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 1: banging random strangers, not having kids because they're on the
• 1:07:05
  Speaker 1: pill or whatever. And next thing they know that it's
• 1:07:07
  Speaker 1: they're like thirty five and they're like, dude, I really
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 1: want a man, and there are none because you know,
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 1: those men have either gone off the grid completely or
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 1: they found somebody else. And these women went and chased
• 1:07:21
  Speaker 1: what they wanted, like they were incentivized to pursue their
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: material carnal desires early on, so they did because there
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 1: was no one telling them that it may not be
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 1: a good idea, and so they did that, and then
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  Speaker 1: they became adults, and now they're like, where are the men?
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  Speaker 1: And so this is the proposal. If you're one of
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  Speaker 1: those women that followed all that you want a man,
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  Speaker 1: but none of them are good enough because you have
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  Speaker 1: been gas lit and psyoped into thinking that you're somehow
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  Speaker 1: better than ninety percent of men out here, then guess
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  Speaker 1: what we're gonna pay for everything. We'll just take it
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: from the men that don't want to step up, and
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  Speaker 1: we'll just give it to you, and we'll use it
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  Speaker 1: to raise your kids. You can go ahead and have
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 1: kids with you know, Gigachad over there, and all he
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: has to do is agree. I guess. I mean, this
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  Speaker 1: is like what I feel like is being proposed, but
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  Speaker 1: no one is asking instead of like what do you
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: want out of your life? And I'm not even just
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  Speaker 1: saying this to women. I'm saying this to men and
• 1:08:18
  Speaker 1: women instead of saying, what do you want to get
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 1: out of life. Maybe they should be asking what do
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 1: you want to give to the world, and that is well,
• 1:08:31
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that there's an evil psych
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: paper that's going to answer that, but I do think
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: it's something people should think about. And unfortunately no one
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: is being asked to, especially women. They're just being asked
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 1: what they want. And then it's like, well, and no
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 1: matter what it is, it could be a twelve year
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: old girl. We can get to the point where there'll
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: be twelve ten year old girls will be like, what
• 1:08:52
  Speaker 1: do you want and they'll be like a pony. And
• 1:08:54
  Speaker 1: then we got well, we got to like open up
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: a new government, you know, ministry of Ponies to give
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: to give these girls ponies because they want ponies. And
• 1:09:03
  Speaker 1: we're gonna make men pay for the ponies, even though
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: those girls that grow up out of it and they'll
• 1:09:07
  Speaker 1: be like, I don't I didn't really want a pony
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: now that I'm grown. But because we listened when they
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: were ten, well, guess what, we're taxpayer funded ponies for
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 1: all the ladies, all the young women that want them.
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: That I guess That's what I'm saying. It seems like
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  Speaker 1: we're following the wrong signals like, we're like listening to
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  Speaker 1: what women say they want. I don't think it's necessarily
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  Speaker 1: what they what's good for them or anyone for that matter.
• 1:09:38
  Speaker 1: So I don't know if I'm making sense, But Ali said,
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  Speaker 1: are you? Are you?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, well, it isn't even what they want. Yeah, I'm okay.
• 1:09:45
  Speaker 2: I'm just trying to keep quiet, you know, because I
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: talk a lot, and I'm still contemplating, you know, being cringey.
• 1:09:53
  Speaker 2: But uh, pair, Well, the thing is that what women
• 1:09:59
  Speaker 2: say they want, is it even what they want or
• 1:10:02
  Speaker 2: is it what the sisterhood tells them to want? Honestly like,
• 1:10:08
  Speaker 2: And the thing is that, again, these are women that
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 2: have been raised with the idea that being in a
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 2: relationship with a man is self annihilation. So the only
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 2: thing to maximize is annihilating yourself the best man you
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 2: can get. And if you can't get a man who
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 2: will make your girlfriends jealous, which means most likely that
• 1:10:34
  Speaker 2: he's substantially you know, you're punching way up on the
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 2: ladder there. And if you can't get that, then you
• 1:10:42
  Speaker 2: might as well be single, which is what's driving this
• 1:10:45
  Speaker 2: out of control hypergamy. And now we're going to just
• 1:10:50
  Speaker 2: under the assumption that this is actually going to create
• 1:10:54
  Speaker 2: a positive outcome. We're going to feed it that. We're
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: going to feed a symptom of telling women that getting
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: in a relationship with a man is self annihilation. Right,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: We're going to feed a symptom of handing the framing
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 2: of men and women and the relationship between men and
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 2: women to a bunch of women who said, yeah, we're
• 1:11:16
  Speaker 2: gonna destroy heater sexuality. We just were like, oh, that
• 1:11:19
  Speaker 2: sounds good, let's do that. Like, as a society, we're
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: just like, yeah, that's all. Wow, that's that's a goal.
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Let's let's pursue that. And then we did that, and
• 1:11:29
  Speaker 2: then we have generations of women raised under that regime
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 2: to believe that getting in a relationship with a man
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: is the sight of self annihilation to some degree, and
• 1:11:39
  Speaker 2: that's the only thing left to maximize is making sure
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: that you annihilated by the highest status man possible. Right.
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: And now now we're taking what those women are drawn
• 1:11:53
  Speaker 2: to as a symptom of being taught by a bunch
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: of people that said, well, we're going to destroy heterosexual bonding, right,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: and we're saying, well, that's what we should encourage and
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: what we should rejigger our bureaucracy and our tax codes
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 2: around facilitating this dysfunction. And that's exactly what Brian is saying.
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 2: He's saying, is this the right thing to do? Right?
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: Is this? Should we actually be indulging the decisions the
• 1:12:28
  Speaker 2: reproductive or not even not even reproductive, because they're not reproducing.
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: They're not having children with these men, and they don't
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 2: want to have children with these men. That's why they
• 1:12:40
  Speaker 2: championed the chop. They agitate for abortions so hard because
• 1:12:45
  Speaker 2: they want to foreclawse foreclose any possibility that they're going
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: to give birth to the progeny of the men they
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 2: have sex with, because they don't want these men. And
• 1:12:56
  Speaker 2: you look at this. This guy, the writers of this
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: paper is looking at this and they're like, well, what
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: if we know, I'm sorry, if this was the way
• 1:13:06
  Speaker 2: that these women wanted to have children, they'd be having children.
• 1:13:10
  Speaker 2: You wouldn't be able to stop them, just like you
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 2: can't really stop people who are of lesser means but
• 1:13:17
  Speaker 2: nevertheless religious or you know, have more traditionalist values from
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 2: having children. They're having children regardless of their their economic situation,
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 2: because that's what they want to do. Because they are
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 2: compelled to do it as a part of their life
• 1:13:32
  Speaker 2: and their ethics and their their love for each other. Right,
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to stop them. And
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 2: these women are very easily stopped, and in fact that
• 1:13:43
  Speaker 2: their primary concern is not oh can I pay for
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 2: these babies that I want to have with these men
• 1:13:50
  Speaker 2: that I'm having sex with. Their primary concern is I
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 2: want to be able to have access to abortion. And
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 2: where do you think that comes from? Like that, the
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 2: assumption that these the authors of these paper is making
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 2: is that this behavior by these women could be changed
• 1:14:04
  Speaker 2: by giving them more economic access to resources. And I'm
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 2: saying that if even if.
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  Speaker 1: You have.
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  Speaker 2: Like people who are in partnerships and have those conservative values,
• 1:14:20
  Speaker 2: even if they're poor, they're still having children. So it's
• 1:14:23
  Speaker 2: not an issue of resources or economic access to resources.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 2: If these women wanted to have these men's children, they'd
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: be having them, you see what I'm saying, Brian. Instead,
• 1:14:36
  Speaker 2: they are giving every indication that they do not want
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: these men's children, and no indication that if you applow
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 2: more economic resources into them to the point where they
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 2: no longer have to support themselves, as long as they're
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 2: having children, they don't even have to take care of
• 1:14:53
  Speaker 2: the children. Oh suddenly they'll be having these men's children.
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 2: But there's no indication that that's the case. They're giving
• 1:15:00
  Speaker 2: every indication that that's absolutely what they don't want. Like again, like,
• 1:15:05
  Speaker 2: if this paper was correct, these single women wouldn't be
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 2: saying abortion is a sacrament. They'd be saying, give me
• 1:15:14
  Speaker 2: money to make babies. Do you see what I'm saying, Brian.
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 2: The thing that they would be compelled to do while
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 2: having sex with these gigachads so called. I don't think
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 2: they are anything of the sort, nor of the alphas.
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 2: But you know, if they were having sex and they
• 1:15:33
  Speaker 2: were being compelled to have children with them.
• 1:15:36
  Speaker 3: They wouldn't be saying, let us support the spawn of
• 1:15:40
  Speaker 3: these awful fuckers that we're having sex with for some
• 1:15:43
  Speaker 3: ungodly reason. Okay, they would be saying, give us money
• 1:15:48
  Speaker 3: so we can have the babies we want. That's not
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 3: what they're saying. Like the big central platform of these
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 3: single women would be we need to expand uh baby
• 1:16:01
  Speaker 3: making brants by the government. That would be their big thing.
• 1:16:06
  Speaker 3: You need to pay for us to have these children.
• 1:16:09
  Speaker 3: That isn't it?
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 2: Is it? It's you need to pay for us to
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 2: get rid of these children. We don't want them. On
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 2: some level, we're absolutely fricking genetically repulsed by the crap
• 1:16:20
  Speaker 2: we're having sex with. I mean, at some point you
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 2: have to wonder, like you really have to wonder at
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 2: that kind of behavior, Like these single women they're having
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 2: sex with Gigachad and they cannot get their asses to
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 2: the abortion clinic fast enough. Is that the behavior of
• 1:16:39
  Speaker 2: an female animal that's happy with what she did. I
• 1:16:42
  Speaker 2: can tell you that wouldn't be the behavior of topey antelope.
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 2: So once again they're assuming that the problem is these
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 2: women don't have resources. But these women are smart enough
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 2: that if they had this deep urge to have the baby,
• 1:16:58
  Speaker 2: be a single mom with Gigachad's baby, they would be
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 2: kid championing the very thing that these authors are saying.
• 1:17:06
  Speaker 2: They would be out in the streets saying larger baby bonuses,
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 2: you know, like that kind of thing. You see what
• 1:17:11
  Speaker 2: I'm saying, running help us. They would make that their
• 1:17:17
  Speaker 2: next women's rights thing is the right to have Gigachad's baby. No,
• 1:17:22
  Speaker 2: what are they out in the streets? Let me abort
• 1:17:25
  Speaker 2: giga Chads spun I want it out of me gone
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 2: because they're repulsed by these men and yet they still
• 1:17:33
  Speaker 2: fuck them. What is this behavior? Right? Okay, this is
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 2: deranged behavior. It's downstream of being told that you are you.
• 1:17:45
  Speaker 2: When you get into a relationship with a man, you
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 2: are engaging in self annihilation. That dysfunctional behavior that you're
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 2: seeing from the modern woman is downstream of that. And again,
• 1:17:59
  Speaker 2: if these people will write in this paper, abortion wouldn't
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 2: be the sacrament. It would be public funds for gigachad
• 1:18:09
  Speaker 2: baby making. Yep, it isn't right. And I want to
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 2: drill down on that one thing. Right, if these women
• 1:18:17
  Speaker 2: really wanted these men on every level, they'd be having
• 1:18:21
  Speaker 2: their babies. They're not. So on some level they are
• 1:18:26
  Speaker 2: repulsed by what they're doing and who they're doing it with.
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 1: Well, they still I think they also still believe that
• 1:18:36
  Speaker 1: children is oppression, because that's what I'm saying, Like before,
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 1: when when they're saying, well, why let this female choice
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: fertility paradox? It exists because women have been liberated completely
• 1:18:53
  Speaker 1: so or at least as complete as humanly possible till
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 1: we get to the point we don't need women to
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 1: act carry children either. Yeah, go ahead.
• 1:19:03
  Speaker 2: Just don't call it liberation because it isn't. That's using
• 1:19:07
  Speaker 2: their fucking allower empowerment and libormation. Somebody pointed out in
• 1:19:10
  Speaker 2: the in the the comments, it's detachment. Yeah, women are
• 1:19:17
  Speaker 2: being detached. They're not liberated. They're being detached. Like you know,
• 1:19:24
  Speaker 2: Buffalo Bill wanted to liberate women from their skin. Sure, No,
• 1:19:28
  Speaker 2: he wanted to detach women from their skin. That's what's
• 1:19:32
  Speaker 2: going on. Women are being detached. M I just feel
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 2: like liberation and empowerment is just it's using their words
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 2: and it's hiding what's actually happening.
• 1:19:44
  Speaker 1: Because no, I understand that, I'm I'm big on not
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 1: using their words. I'm using their word in this instance
• 1:19:51
  Speaker 1: because I'm basically showing what the outcome or what the
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 1: consequence of this effort has brought. So when I say
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 1: that have been liberated, what I'm saying is is that
• 1:20:02
  Speaker 1: they have been pushing to detach women from their you know,
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 1: from all of their responsibilities, obligations, duties in the same
• 1:20:12
  Speaker 1: way that men have duties as well. And so we
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 1: have basically removed all of that and in exchange for it,
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 1: we're getting this now. So you can't really separate these things,
• 1:20:25
  Speaker 1: But yes, I agree, it's not it's not really liberation,
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 1: but it is like when when you look at what
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: these people's goals have for women's liberation, it is it
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 1: is everything that has led to this point. So it's
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: like saying, well, this is your idea. You guys thought
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: you were liberating women and here we are right. But yes,
• 1:20:47
  Speaker 1: I take that it's not the right word, but it
• 1:20:52
  Speaker 1: is the word they use, So I'm basically showing that
• 1:20:55
  Speaker 1: this is what their goal was.
• 1:20:57
  Speaker 2: Right.
• 1:20:59
  Speaker 1: You can, but interesting, you really can't liberate people from
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 1: this stuff.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 2: You can't liberate people. You can't. Well, you can liberate
• 1:21:09
  Speaker 2: people from the standards that keep them healthy insane, but
• 1:21:13
  Speaker 2: then you don't create health or sanity. And I would
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: want to point out that, yes, this is supposedly liberating
• 1:21:20
  Speaker 2: women from the responsibilities of adulthood. But on the other hand,
• 1:21:27
  Speaker 2: you have all of these strong, independent women who are
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 2: crying into their pillows at night because they're having sex
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 2: with men who don't want to have anything to do
• 1:21:37
  Speaker 2: with them out of you know, using them like a
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 2: self warming fleshlight right, and they are justifying it to
• 1:21:46
  Speaker 2: themselves based on feminist conjecture, based on the idea that
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 2: should this man actually want a relationship with them, that
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: there would be just some kind of self annihilation, right,
• 1:21:55
  Speaker 2: So that what they're really doing is being a strong
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 2: and independent woman as they cry themselves to sleep at
• 1:22:03
  Speaker 2: night and take some more SSRIs. So like, that's that
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: is that is not just detachment from expectations of yourself,
• 1:22:13
  Speaker 2: it's also detachment from expectations of your partner and valuing
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: a partner's commitment to you, right, you see what I'm saying.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 2: So it's like, that's it's just it's not just holding
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: yourself to a higher standard, which would probably move their lives.
• 1:22:30
  Speaker 2: It's also holding the guys you have sex with to
• 1:22:34
  Speaker 2: a higher standard of commitment and not pretending to yourself
• 1:22:39
  Speaker 2: that you don't actually want that. But of course the
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 2: concept that if a man commits to a woman, he's
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 2: annihilating her is creating this distortion in their thinking, and
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 2: they don't have the independence to actually challenge the sisterhood
• 1:22:57
  Speaker 2: on the misery that the sisterhood is in coldkating in them.
• 1:23:01
  Speaker 2: So ironically, the women who say, oh, I'm a strong
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 2: independent woman usually are both weak and dependent, and they
• 1:23:11
  Speaker 2: have this weird kind of codependent relationship with the quote
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 2: unquote sisterhood. They can't assert themselves as individuals unless it's
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 2: by committee with other women. You know. It's yeah, it's
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 2: an interesting thing. And again, I don't know. I'm still
• 1:23:27
  Speaker 2: trying to figure out what the Sisterhood is supposed to
• 1:23:29
  Speaker 2: I'm supposed to get from the Sisterhood. I even asked
• 1:23:32
  Speaker 2: a feminist who was like, going after I think femin condition,
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 2: do you know what I'm talking about? On Twitter?
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: No, I'm not on Twitter.
• 1:23:42
  Speaker 2: She's she does some pro pro male tweeting, and of
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 2: course she gets a bunch of like harpies descend on her.
• 1:23:50
  Speaker 2: And one of the harpies did and and I went
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 2: over and I said. They said something like, oh, you're
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 2: betraying the sister And I'm like, well, what exactly am I,
• 1:24:02
  Speaker 2: as a woman supposed to get from the Sisterhood?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 1: What?
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 2: What do you? What do you want? What's on offer here?
• 1:24:07
  Speaker 2: If I if I stop betraying you, what are you
• 1:24:10
  Speaker 2: going to give me? Let's let's bring it down to
• 1:24:13
  Speaker 2: brass tacks. What's what's on the table? You want to
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 2: make a deal? What's what? What do you have?
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: You have?
• 1:24:21
  Speaker 2: Wares? You know? And and nothing? I think I got
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 2: some bullshit about how i'm I owe the sisterhood and
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 2: I should be eternally grateful.
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: The fact that you're able to post on the internet, Alison,
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: is proof enough of that you're benefiting. I thought you
• 1:24:40
  Speaker 1: knew that.
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because of course in patriarchy, women didn't do social gatherings.
• 1:24:47
  Speaker 2: They weren't allowed to talk to other women.
• 1:24:48
  Speaker 1: No men, men wouldn't let them do that. I mean,
• 1:24:51
  Speaker 1: I can't believe that we're allowing them to do that. Now. Okay,
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 1: I got I got a bunch of super things to
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 1: read out. I want to read them before they disappear.
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 1: Super friends, super chats and chows and rumble rants. So
• 1:25:05
  Speaker 1: mister Nubid gave us five dollars and said socialist feminists
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 1: saying that the solution is a completely capitalist, transactional surrogacy
• 1:25:12
  Speaker 1: system is wild. Well, it's not really transactional because they
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 1: are taking men's money and giving it to women, So
• 1:25:20
  Speaker 1: it's not really that different. Women just get to pick
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 1: the temporary partners they want to bang. They're basically, like
• 1:25:29
  Speaker 1: I said, it's the end end product of quote unquote liberation.
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 1: All right, Nova Fan gives us a dollar and says
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 1: on rumble the paper is so annoying. Men who struggle
• 1:25:40
  Speaker 1: in this world simply want to stop being attacked in
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 1: all forms for just being a man. Most would be
• 1:25:45
  Speaker 1: happy enough just being married to a mid kind woman. Yes,
• 1:25:49
  Speaker 1: I don't think men are that picky at all. Any
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 1: woman can find a man if she wants him. Men,
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 1: it's a much different story. Roboto gives us a dollar
• 1:26:01
  Speaker 1: and says, is it true that modern ladies love Drake Usher,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 1: Chris Brown, et cetera. Oh, I don't know, probably, but
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 1: that has more to do with them being famous. They
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 1: don't want a guy who looks like Chris Brown. They
• 1:26:14
  Speaker 1: want Chris Brown, you know what I mean. So Noba
• 1:26:18
  Speaker 1: Fan twenty one gives us a dollar and says, as
• 1:26:21
  Speaker 1: far as I can tell, the inceels who want tons
• 1:26:23
  Speaker 1: of women are jealous of the men on top of
• 1:26:25
  Speaker 1: the dating pool. I want to suggest therapy, but feminists
• 1:26:28
  Speaker 1: ruined it. Also, the whole thing sucks. Yeah, I think
• 1:26:31
  Speaker 1: that that's right. I think that in cells might be
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 1: going through a bit some fomo stuff because they see
• 1:26:37
  Speaker 1: like the top men and they're showing off their women.
• 1:26:40
  Speaker 1: They don't really question how that happens. By the way,
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 1: a lot of times, these male influencers, these Manisphere guys,
• 1:26:47
  Speaker 1: those are not their girlfriends. Those are women they've essentially
• 1:26:52
  Speaker 1: paid or done favors for to get in photo ops
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 1: with them. So they create a scenario where there might
• 1:27:00
  Speaker 1: be a bunch of women, and then they'll take pictures
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: with those women, and they'll share those pictures online and
• 1:27:06
  Speaker 1: they won't even necessarily add context except oh, here's me
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 1: with a bunch of beautiful women and the Inceelts thing
• 1:27:11
  Speaker 1: they're banging all these chicks. But that's probably not happening.
• 1:27:15
  Speaker 1: So yeah, be careful what you see online. Everything is
• 1:27:18
  Speaker 1: fake and gay. So except for us, we're not fake.
• 1:27:21
  Speaker 1: Allison's a little gay though, all right. Zarax gives us
• 1:27:24
  Speaker 1: five dollars and says this is super chow. So then
• 1:27:27
  Speaker 1: the idea is they want everything all at once and
• 1:27:30
  Speaker 1: nothing at all. They're not working to have kids with
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 1: men who'd be fathers, and they don't want to be
• 1:27:36
  Speaker 1: saddled with a progeny of men that are merely a
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 1: fun time at a middle but they still want children
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 1: and they still want men. Talk about confusing, Yeah, well
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 1: it is.
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 2: It's because this is this behavior is regulated.
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it's what we've incentivized, so we're basically
• 1:27:54
  Speaker 1: not gonna we can't say no to them. So while
• 1:27:58
  Speaker 1: we as in like, you know, our society won't say
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 1: no to women. So when women's demands or tastes or
• 1:28:04
  Speaker 1: impulses change, then society tries to wrap itself around that change.
• 1:28:10
  Speaker 1: No matter how nobody says, dude, that's stupid, you don't
• 1:28:13
  Speaker 1: want that, they just say, okay, well how do we
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 1: give it to them? That's what this paper is doing,
• 1:28:18
  Speaker 1: by the way, this paper is basically saying, well, it
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 1: looks like women have gotten really picky. I guess we're
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 1: just gonna have to give them what they want. Like
• 1:28:25
  Speaker 1: no one says, you know, maybe they're being retarded, and
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 1: somebody should tell them they're being retarded, and they don't.
• 1:28:31
  Speaker 1: They're not a ten no matter what their friends tell them,
• 1:28:33
  Speaker 1: and they should probably find like a guy that's with
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 1: you know, a looks matched for them, that's like decent.
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 1: But no, they don't do that. They're like, well, it
• 1:28:40
  Speaker 1: looks like, you.
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 2: Know, yeah, it looks like we gotta or or we
• 1:28:44
  Speaker 2: could just challenge the idea that you know, feminist warm
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 2: tongue is uh, you know, pouring poison into the ears
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 2: of women, right and uh and and of course, like
• 1:28:58
  Speaker 2: you said, society can't say no women. So feminists have
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: found this perfect exploit. They just just poison. It's just
• 1:29:05
  Speaker 2: drip poison into women's ears about men. And we can't
• 1:29:09
  Speaker 2: challenge that. We can't say, hey, let's stop doing that.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: See what happens. See if women recover? You know, maybe
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: maybe uh. I don't know what would be the equivalent
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: for a woman, right, Let it do to to uh
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: having god the king or no, the steward. No, the king,
• 1:29:32
  Speaker 2: it was the king awen's father hold his sword right
• 1:29:38
  Speaker 2: to remind him of who he was. That's the equivalent
• 1:29:41
  Speaker 2: for women. I don't know. Give him an apron and
• 1:29:44
  Speaker 2: a baby, a bottle, an egg apron from Remember what
• 1:29:56
  Speaker 2: you lost, ladies, Remember what he used to have.
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 1: Here's your spatul up and your rolling pin. Yeah, only
• 1:30:06
  Speaker 1: for rolling, not for domestic violence. All right, Yes, Richard
• 1:30:11
  Speaker 1: Bier gives us. Yes, Richard Bierre gives us a five
• 1:30:14
  Speaker 1: dollars super chow and says maybe as the population declines,
• 1:30:19
  Speaker 1: the avocado toast jobs will become a thing of the past,
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: as there will always be necessary work to be done
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: and without a surplus of people to do the work
• 1:30:27
  Speaker 1: that they make work. Jobs that are essentially additional steps
• 1:30:32
  Speaker 1: in the root Goldberg machine that many workplaces have become
• 1:30:35
  Speaker 1: will be streamlined out of existence. It will be found
• 1:30:38
  Speaker 1: that there is a simple way to do simple tasks
• 1:30:41
  Speaker 1: without having to add extra steps to the process that
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: just exists to give functionality useless people functionally, I think
• 1:30:48
  Speaker 1: he meant to say. He said functionality, but functionally uses
• 1:30:51
  Speaker 1: people a way to earn a wage without producing anything
• 1:30:54
  Speaker 1: useful to the system or a tangible benefit to any workplace.
• 1:30:58
  Speaker 1: After all, if a folder needs to go to a
• 1:31:01
  Speaker 1: particular person, it shouldn't need to change hands twenty times
• 1:31:04
  Speaker 1: before it gets to the intended recipient. So yeah, okay,
• 1:31:09
  Speaker 1: thank you for that. All right, let's uh, let's get
• 1:31:13
  Speaker 1: back to the article we therefore, I already read that
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 1: part right, Yeah, so there's about the the child support thing.
• 1:31:24
  Speaker 1: These would be drastic measures, yeah, okay. To make such
• 1:31:28
  Speaker 1: experiments more appealing to men, nations could present them as
• 1:31:32
  Speaker 1: sex or gender neutral. Sex neutral or gender neutral to
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 1: make experiments more appealing to men. Of course, biological males
• 1:31:39
  Speaker 1: do not have a uterus, so they would be greatly disadvantaged.
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: But theoretically women could choose to have a child and
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 1: let the father be the single parent. What what are
• 1:31:50
  Speaker 1: we talking about? How what level of dystopia? What level
• 1:31:54
  Speaker 1: of hell? Is this?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 2: So?
• 1:31:57
  Speaker 1: Okay? What experien That's what we're talking about, So let
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 1: me go back to the other paragraph, because we did
• 1:32:03
  Speaker 1: ramble a lot in between these two. A more extreme
• 1:32:06
  Speaker 1: view is that perhaps men should not have to pay
• 1:32:09
  Speaker 1: child support, particularly if experiments show that women are mostly
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: interested in having children with the most compelling men and
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 1: those men are not willing to participate if it entails
• 1:32:21
  Speaker 1: an economic downside. These would be drastic measures, but we
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: believe they could be justified by the existential stakes of
• 1:32:28
  Speaker 1: solving the female choice fertility paradox. Let me just finish
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 1: the second paragraphs. It's important to make such experiments more
• 1:32:36
  Speaker 1: appealing to men. To the experiment. They just talked about nations,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 1: so again this is relying on government. Nations could present
• 1:32:45
  Speaker 1: them as sex or gender neutral, so not men. Of course,
• 1:32:51
  Speaker 1: biological males do not have a uterus, so they would
• 1:32:54
  Speaker 1: be greatly disadvantaged. But theoretically women could choose to have
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 1: a child and let the father be the single parent. Okay,
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 1: that's the whole thing.
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 2: In context, all right, that's where that statement came from.
• 1:33:10
  Speaker 2: If the assumption is that, particularly if experiments show that
• 1:33:13
  Speaker 2: women are mostly interested in having children with the most
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 2: compelling men, well here's the problem with that. And that's
• 1:33:19
  Speaker 2: exactly what I was saying, ranting about again. If these
• 1:33:23
  Speaker 2: women wanted to have Chadwick's child, right, they wouldn't be
• 1:33:31
  Speaker 2: making abortion their sacrament. They would be making baby grants
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 2: or something from the government, getting the money to be
• 1:33:39
  Speaker 2: able to do this thing if they wanted it so badly.
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 2: I think we can assume, based on their behavior that
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 2: that's not what they want. So these men are not
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 2: getting these women to the point where they want to
• 1:33:56
  Speaker 2: have children. And I would argue that's because commitment from
• 1:34:01
  Speaker 2: men is a necessary component of women wanting to have children,
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 2: and these men are entertainment. But these women don't want
• 1:34:14
  Speaker 2: to have their children, which is why their most central
• 1:34:17
  Speaker 2: and important right, they say, like, the most existential right
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 2: that they're championing for, is not the ability to afford
• 1:34:25
  Speaker 2: these men's babies, but the ability to abort these men's
• 1:34:29
  Speaker 2: babies because they don't want these men's babies. Let's just
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 2: go with what they're actually doing. There is no evidence
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 2: that these women want to have these men's babies none whatsoever,
• 1:34:43
  Speaker 2: unless you're talking about certain communities of long term welfare
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 2: recipients all right. Outside of that, there's no evidence that
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 2: this promiscuous mating regime is producing women who want to
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 2: babies or to consider having babies important enough to start
• 1:35:05
  Speaker 2: petitioning the government to call that the ex distential right
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 2: that they want. Right now, if we imagine that we
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 2: instead had a society of tope antelope females, they probably
• 1:35:18
  Speaker 2: would be petitioning the government to be able to afford
• 1:35:21
  Speaker 2: their fawns right from the gig giggad chad antelope. That's
• 1:35:29
  Speaker 2: probably the central pillar that they would That's what they
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 2: would want because that's their mating regime, that's how they reproduce.
• 1:35:37
  Speaker 2: So they would be saying to the government, our most
• 1:35:40
  Speaker 2: important right is the right to have our fawns underwritten
• 1:35:44
  Speaker 2: by the government. Not our most important right is the
• 1:35:47
  Speaker 2: right to abort the spawn that we we've conceived with
• 1:35:51
  Speaker 2: these people, these men that we don't want to have
• 1:35:53
  Speaker 2: children with. So right there the paper is a assuming
• 1:36:00
  Speaker 2: something we have direct contradictory evidence against. That's what I
• 1:36:06
  Speaker 2: was trying to get at before, and in terms of
• 1:36:09
  Speaker 2: let the father be the single parent, theoretically women could
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: choose to have a child and let the father be
• 1:36:16
  Speaker 2: the single parent. Like that doesn't I'm sure men would
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: be happy with that. But I don't think that's gonna happen.
• 1:36:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I got another Superchow. Yeah, I don't think that.
• 1:36:31
  Speaker 1: I think this is These are disastrous things to suggest, Okay,
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 1: Superchow from the Official verse Reliciism, the official reverse Traditionalism
• 1:36:41
  Speaker 1: channel on YouTube, gives us five dollars and says, does
• 1:36:44
  Speaker 1: it make sense to suggest that the UN and other
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 1: orgs are talking about one hundred and forty k in
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 1: unpaid emotional labor are failing to understand familial specialization. I
• 1:36:54
  Speaker 1: don't think that's gonna go through the UN. A lot
• 1:36:57
  Speaker 1: of times they just they just talk of their ass
• 1:37:00
  Speaker 1: and nothing ever happens. But anyway, I'll finish this. The
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 1: whole point is that a breadwinner plus homemaker combo produces
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: a greater economic output than hiring an equivalent nanny, et cetera,
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: as a greater than the sum of their parts thing.
• 1:37:14
  Speaker 1: The homemaker is supposed to produce fifty k more of
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: their value than they would cost on the free market
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: suppose to produced fifty Yeah. Uh. First of all, I
• 1:37:24
  Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna start paying off people to stay
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: at home and raise kids. And they're certainly not going
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: to pay men to do it. That's never gonna happen.
• 1:37:35
  Speaker 1: It's just I it and and the UN. Like I said,
• 1:37:38
  Speaker 1: the UN is an org that often, like they get
• 1:37:43
  Speaker 1: up in front of cameras and they say things, but
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 1: they don't they're kind of toothless, like for the most part,
• 1:37:50
  Speaker 1: they don't have that much authority, and they just try
• 1:37:53
  Speaker 1: to be like a leading voice, you know, on various
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 1: human rights issues. But if you don't think that they're
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 1: like completely paused your naive, I'll just say that, sweet
• 1:38:06
  Speaker 1: summer child. They are not the friends of men or
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: family for that matter, and that's probably why they don't
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 1: really get taken that seriously when it comes to other
• 1:38:17
  Speaker 1: nations and the way they govern, at least the United
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 1: States doesn't. I don't think that they're that effective though,
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 1: but I appreciate the superchild nonetheless. Okay, so another alternative
• 1:38:33
  Speaker 1: could be state sponsored more government stuff, state sponsored surrogacy
• 1:38:38
  Speaker 1: for single men who want to become fathers. In feminist
• 1:38:41
  Speaker 1: nations like Norway, however, surrogacy is typically not permitted because
• 1:38:46
  Speaker 1: the practice is seen as exploiting women's bodies. Oh so
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 1: you're saying that Norway, a country that maximized equality, is
• 1:38:57
  Speaker 1: not going to allow surrogate see for men, because it
• 1:39:02
  Speaker 1: exploits women's bodies. Do you see how that attitude of
• 1:39:07
  Speaker 1: anything that is an imposition, an inconvenience, or just asks
• 1:39:11
  Speaker 1: something of women can be twisted to be oppression and
• 1:39:16
  Speaker 1: it makes it impossible for you guys to come up
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 1: with any solutions for So you've just admitted that in
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 1: Norway they can't do this. So why are you even
• 1:39:24
  Speaker 1: proposing this as an alternative when any first world country
• 1:39:28
  Speaker 1: that even begins to bring this up is going to
• 1:39:31
  Speaker 1: face the same obstacle because every country is focused on
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 1: the idea that women could at any moment lose their
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 1: rights and be oppressed by men, and so we have
• 1:39:41
  Speaker 1: to remain always vigilant against anything that even has a
• 1:39:45
  Speaker 1: whiff of patriarchy to it, which apparently surrogacy in Norway does.
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: So what are you guys gonna do? Anyway? Still, a
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: compromise could perhaps be reached to portray expects with state
• 1:40:00
  Speaker 1: sponsored reproduction as more gender neutral to win greater support
• 1:40:05
  Speaker 1: from men. Given the increasingly dire situation for certain groups
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: of men, communities should not underestimate the potential for resentment
• 1:40:14
  Speaker 1: and misogyny arising from mating exclusion. A marginalized male underclass
• 1:40:19
  Speaker 1: could become a destabilizing societal force. This perspective is also
• 1:40:23
  Speaker 1: worth bearing in mind as societies seek countermeasures to the
• 1:40:27
  Speaker 1: fertility crisis. While we predict many people will find such
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: discussions on savory, they are needed if viable solutions are
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: to be found. So again, where we are, let me
• 1:40:39
  Speaker 1: just go back to this. They're saying, all right, let
• 1:40:42
  Speaker 1: me just read this sentence and then I'll translate from
• 1:40:44
  Speaker 1: the what I'm reading. Given the increasingly dire situation for
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: certain groups of men, communities should not underestimate the potential
• 1:40:54
  Speaker 1: for resentment and misogyny arising from mating exclusion, A marginal
• 1:41:00
  Speaker 1: male underclass could become a destabilizing sex societal force. So
• 1:41:05
  Speaker 1: the problem with this surrogacy policy and all this stuff
• 1:41:09
  Speaker 1: that the paper is doing has nothing to do with
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: how men could be hurt by it, but rather that
• 1:41:14
  Speaker 1: those men might become misogynistic, and that's the real problem.
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 1: So we should be able to do whatever we need
• 1:41:22
  Speaker 1: to do to men to marginalize them, exclude them, isolate them,
• 1:41:27
  Speaker 1: adomize them, and steal from them. But we should be
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 1: careful because they might get angry about it. And that's
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 1: the real problem. Is they might get mad and they
• 1:41:41
  Speaker 1: might cause problems in the country, especially for women. That's
• 1:41:46
  Speaker 1: what we want to avoid at all costs. Okay, guys,
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 1: I know that this mad's person offered to come on
• 1:41:53
  Speaker 1: the show. They could be watching this stream right now, Like,
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 1: do you not think that there's something wrong this that?
• 1:42:01
  Speaker 1: Do you think men are just gonna like lie there
• 1:42:04
  Speaker 1: and take it? What do you think is gonna happen?
• 1:42:07
  Speaker 1: I mean, go ahead.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 2: The thing is that you're what he's proposing or she's proposing,
• 1:42:14
  Speaker 2: is an additional marginalization of men. Yeah, to benefit women.
• 1:42:21
  Speaker 2: And it's all because we can't question the choices that
• 1:42:26
  Speaker 2: women are making, or even just recognize that the choices
• 1:42:30
  Speaker 2: that women are making are counter to the human race
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 2: reproducing itself. Nor can we question worm tongue dripping poison
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 2: into their ear leading to these dysregulated choices that they're making.
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 2: Right and and instead we have to go immediately to
• 1:42:51
  Speaker 2: let's just make the situation for men worse. And I
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 2: wish it was just like, you know, this is a
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 2: crazy paper, but the in conjunction with reading about the
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: history of how patriarchy was never proven but became everybody's
• 1:43:07
  Speaker 2: go to for how the relationship between men and women work.
• 1:43:11
  Speaker 2: I was also reading about feminists influence and law and
• 1:43:15
  Speaker 2: policy as a direct consequence of saying that that men
• 1:43:20
  Speaker 2: extract from women's labor. There was a feminist that said
• 1:43:24
  Speaker 2: that that women's standard of living reduced seventy six percent
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 2: after divorce, while men's increased some amount, And it was
• 1:43:35
  Speaker 2: actually found that when she finally released her evidence, it
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 2: was found that that was completely false. But by the
• 1:43:44
  Speaker 2: time that had happened, a whole bunch of jurisdictions had
• 1:43:47
  Speaker 2: changed how they calculate child support and alimony and property
• 1:43:53
  Speaker 2: division in divorce. So this this stuff, you know, everybody's like, oh,
• 1:43:58
  Speaker 2: just ignore them, really really, because that's how you get
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 2: ruinous child support obligations and policies put in place, and
• 1:44:11
  Speaker 2: ruinous alimony and ruinous property divisions of divorce. Guys like
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 2: every man who says just ignore feminism Yeah, Are you
• 1:44:20
  Speaker 2: saying that because you really think that's gonna work. Are
• 1:44:24
  Speaker 2: you saying that because you're a rank coward and you
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 2: just don't want the fight, all right? Because honestly, they
• 1:44:32
  Speaker 2: have a great track record of getting all kinds of
• 1:44:34
  Speaker 2: crap done. And that's just one thing. They have also
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 2: eroded due process when it comes to sexual crimes and
• 1:44:41
  Speaker 2: domestic violence for men, and in Australia it's particularly bad
• 1:44:48
  Speaker 2: for male victims because male victims need twice the evidence
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 2: and a female aggressor just has to accuse them once
• 1:44:56
  Speaker 2: and it's done for they have like it is a
• 1:44:59
  Speaker 2: strict liabel crime for men not in a strict liability
• 1:45:03
  Speaker 2: it's like a one strike you're out. And this is
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 2: not just Australia. There's all kinds of feminists derived anti
• 1:45:15
  Speaker 2: male laws. What a surprise that the group of ideologues
• 1:45:20
  Speaker 2: that said men are the source of all evil are
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 2: going out and stripping away men's rights to do process.
• 1:45:28
  Speaker 2: You know, they're stripping away men's rights to their own
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: property in divorces, okay, and then they're stripping away men's
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: rights to be treated in terms of merit when it
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: comes to jobs, to have services, when they're victims of
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 2: sexual violence and abuse. And when they're homeless, right, they
• 1:45:49
  Speaker 2: go out and they do all of these horrific things.
• 1:45:53
  Speaker 2: And then we have men saying, well, you just ignore them,
• 1:45:55
  Speaker 2: they'll go away. They never go away. It gets worse.
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 2: Have you not noticed that when we were talking about
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 2: this originally, especially me, right, it was just an issue
• 1:46:06
  Speaker 2: of due process, okay, And we were when I first
• 1:46:09
  Speaker 2: started out, I was worried about the police and due process,
• 1:46:15
  Speaker 2: so the legal system, and then the Title nine stuff
• 1:46:19
  Speaker 2: hit and then I had to say, holy crap, try
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 2: to get it into the police system, guys, because that's
• 1:46:28
  Speaker 2: not as bad as the kangaroo courts in the colleges.
• 1:46:34
  Speaker 2: And just a couple of years before that, I was
• 1:46:37
  Speaker 2: telling guys, hey, it's really bad in the police system.
• 1:46:41
  Speaker 2: I don't know what the hell I'm gonna be saying
• 1:46:43
  Speaker 2: in five years. It just keeps like it. And again
• 1:46:47
  Speaker 2: it's because men put their fricking heads in the sand
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 2: and ignore it instead of standing up and starting and
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 2: using your voice and fighting it. And again, if we
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 2: ever fix this, never give women leisure time again? Right,
• 1:47:02
  Speaker 2: Pat too, that devil's idle hands of the devil's playground
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 2: on the inside of your son's eyeballs. Never do it again.
• 1:47:12
  Speaker 2: Women should never be able to just sit at home
• 1:47:15
  Speaker 2: and sit on their asses with leisure because they cannot
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: be trusted with it. Obviously, if this is what they've created,
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: if they got that and turned around and called the
• 1:47:27
  Speaker 2: men who gave it to them oppressors, can't be trusted,
• 1:47:32
  Speaker 2: all right. But regardless, my point is that these individuals
• 1:47:36
  Speaker 2: keep marching through the laws and policies of the countries
• 1:47:40
  Speaker 2: they're part of. Korea has been absolutely ass raped by feminism.
• 1:47:47
  Speaker 2: They're never gonna recover. Korea is gonna turn into a
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 2: smoking crater when this labor shortage hits. It's gonna be
• 1:47:55
  Speaker 2: a fricking nightmare. Thank you, feminism, You've destroyed an entire culture. Congratulations,
• 1:48:04
  Speaker 2: all right. And my point is that we look at
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 2: this paper and we say, oh, it's so crazy. What
• 1:48:09
  Speaker 2: do you want to bet five years we're gonna be
• 1:48:13
  Speaker 2: looking back at this and saying, holy shit, they got
• 1:48:15
  Speaker 2: it done now men men are taxed at ninety percent,
• 1:48:20
  Speaker 2: they get ten percent, and you know, the giving men
• 1:48:26
  Speaker 2: surrogacy or artificial wombs, that's that's ten years off. Like
• 1:48:32
  Speaker 2: this stuff is. It's it's mental tar and it just
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 2: sucks worlds into it. And again, like people are like, oh,
• 1:48:42
  Speaker 2: you're such a hard liner. The truth is that there
• 1:48:44
  Speaker 2: are two forks available for the human race, and one
• 1:48:47
  Speaker 2: ends in extinction. Either you get rid of this notion
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 2: that the relationship between men and women is the site
• 1:48:57
  Speaker 2: of female oppression. You get rid of it, old turkey,
• 1:49:03
  Speaker 2: just stop, or you don't, and it just sucks our
• 1:49:09
  Speaker 2: entire civilization down with it.
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: Okay, all right, all right, I got another couple of
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: super things. So got one from Nova Fan twenty one
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: gives a dollar on Rumble and says, I just realized
• 1:49:28
  Speaker 1: the paper forgets the study that showed when women won
• 1:49:31
  Speaker 1: the lottery, she often divorced her husband and considering the
• 1:49:34
  Speaker 1: black community, taxing men more would not fix the fertility.
• 1:49:38
  Speaker 1: We've poured trillions into the black population in the form
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 1: of welfare and stuff like that, and it's been nothing
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 1: but a disaster. Again, you're just incentivizing people, especially women,
• 1:49:49
  Speaker 1: to not essentially, like, you know, be dutiful, and that's
• 1:49:56
  Speaker 1: what you're gonna get. So I don't even blame the
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 1: women for it, I understand, yeah, or even grateful, right,
• 1:50:03
  Speaker 1: I understand that there's a temptation there, but that's the
• 1:50:07
  Speaker 1: problem is that we've incentivized it. The official reverse Traditionalism
• 1:50:11
  Speaker 1: channel on YouTube gives us five dollars some super chow
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 1: and says, I wasn't aware that the un was proposing
• 1:50:18
  Speaker 1: homemakers or surrogates or whatever be paid. I was just
• 1:50:21
  Speaker 1: talking about them claiming that women produce one hundred and
• 1:50:23
  Speaker 1: forty k and unpaid labor. Yeah, that's virtue signaling it's
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 1: ultimately empty when it's actually just the sort of two
• 1:50:29
  Speaker 1: plus two equals five benefit to the specialization. That benefit
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: would always be unpaid to the mother relative to what
• 1:50:36
  Speaker 1: she would get on the free market as a nanny,
• 1:50:38
  Speaker 1: because the whole point is for her to produce greater
• 1:50:40
  Speaker 1: value to her children with lower costs. Sorry, I just
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that was clear. No, I get it,
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: But you know, again, it's not even really unpaid labor,
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: Like the man is paying for everything, so it's not unpaid.
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: That's like falling into their trap as well. When women
• 1:50:56
  Speaker 1: say what feminists say that the life of a mother
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: and a wife is unpaid laborer. This bullshit, because she
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: is getting paid, she's getting what the husband makes or whatever.
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: She makes on the side or whatever it is. You know. So, no,
• 1:51:11
  Speaker 1: that's bullshit, all right, Um, so let us go back
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 1: to this another alternative. I already read that right, the singles. Yeah,
• 1:51:22
  Speaker 1: this perspective is all burying in mind as society seek
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 1: countermeasures to the fertility crisis. While we predict many people
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 1: will find such discussions on savory, they are needed if
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 1: viable solutions are to be found. In the longer run,
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 1: artificial wounds could allow men greater reproductive equality. Experts predict
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 1: that such technology might be available as early as the
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 1: twenty forties. This decade is the same one in which
• 1:51:46
  Speaker 1: some experts estimate that AI and robotics can free humans
• 1:51:49
  Speaker 1: from having to secure themselves materially through labor. Billions of
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 1: humanoid robots could be providing us with goods and services
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 1: in the twenty forties, bringing towards a future of sustainable abundance.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 1: I don't know about that. Yeah, I think that's really
• 1:52:07
  Speaker 1: optimistic projecting in terms of like, first of all, again,
• 1:52:12
  Speaker 1: this is another one of those things. In my opinion,
• 1:52:15
  Speaker 1: human beings need a purpose. We need to work, we
• 1:52:20
  Speaker 1: need to do stuff with our time. I know people
• 1:52:23
  Speaker 1: are tempted to not do stuff, but we need it,
• 1:52:27
  Speaker 1: like for our mental health to be doing something productive.
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 1: If this like, it reminds me of this documentary that
• 1:52:34
  Speaker 1: I watched like a long time ago on Netflix called Zeitgeist,
• 1:52:37
  Speaker 1: where the guy who he wrote a book about it,
• 1:52:40
  Speaker 1: and he was basically saying, we're to live in a
• 1:52:41
  Speaker 1: future where there's not gonna every robot's gonna do everything
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: and we're not gonna have to do any work anymore,
• 1:52:47
  Speaker 1: and so we have to like re envision what an
• 1:52:49
  Speaker 1: economy looks like. And it's ultimately like a communist utopia
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: where there's no such thing as government and there's no
• 1:52:56
  Speaker 1: labor and there's no work, there's just robots. That's all bullshit.
• 1:53:00
  Speaker 1: If somebody has to work on the robots, we still
• 1:53:02
  Speaker 1: need the raw materials. There will certainly be jobs, and
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 1: men will probably be doing them. But go ahead, Alison,
• 1:53:08
  Speaker 1: what were you going to say?
• 1:53:11
  Speaker 2: This is ridiculous. Okay, it is absolutely no, this is
• 1:53:18
  Speaker 2: not going to happen. You're talking about artificial general intelligence.
• 1:53:22
  Speaker 2: When you're talking about robot labor. There are nowhere near
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 2: artificial general intelligence. And the reason why is because large
• 1:53:32
  Speaker 2: language models take the or to or take the output
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: of academics, bureaucrats, and at the best writers, and they
• 1:53:47
  Speaker 2: recombine it stochastically to create the output of bureaucrats, feminists, academics, politicians,
• 1:53:56
  Speaker 2: And you can't create a welder out of them. You
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 2: can't create a lumberjack out of that, you can't create
• 1:54:05
  Speaker 2: an electrician out of that. You could maybe create a
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 2: corporate drone out of that, except even he won't have
• 1:54:13
  Speaker 2: a sense of responsibility to anything. He says, all right,
• 1:54:17
  Speaker 2: so it'll be like a pure gloss and bullshit artists drone,
• 1:54:23
  Speaker 2: like the worst kind of employee you possibly can imagine.
• 1:54:26
  Speaker 2: But they're not going to create artificial general intelligence out
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 2: of aon. They're not going to create that out of length.
• 1:54:32
  Speaker 2: They don't even have They don't even have the measurement
• 1:54:38
  Speaker 2: tools to try start creating the tokens to start building
• 1:54:42
  Speaker 2: something like a welder who can create a weld because
• 1:54:47
  Speaker 2: that is not okay. Do you think a welder is
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 2: writing dissertation as he's welding. No, that's entirely feedback between
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 2: the tactile senses, the hand proprior aceptive since you know,
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 2: and the entire haptic system of a welder. We don't
• 1:55:09
  Speaker 2: even have the tools to measure units of welding, or
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 2: units of proprie reception, or units of tactile information or
• 1:55:21
  Speaker 2: units of haptic information. We don't even have those tools
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 2: yet to even start to begin to measure the things
• 1:55:28
  Speaker 2: we need to have in order to replicate robots that
• 1:55:32
  Speaker 2: can do labor. This is so absurd, It is beyond absurd.
• 1:55:39
  Speaker 2: It is painfully absurd, and it's and on it. Like,
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 2: the thing is that we have this idea because of
• 1:55:48
  Speaker 2: factory robots. Factory robots exist in extremely, extremely constrained situations
• 1:55:57
  Speaker 2: doing repetitive labor or repetitive of motions that are all
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 2: extra so they have the force P programmed into them,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 2: they have a particular range of motion. Labor has so
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 2: much more involved in it, and not just that human
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 2: beings learn how to learn right, so you can't like
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 2: somebody who becomes, for example, a dockyard welder. A lot
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 2: of what they learn they have to do it through practice,
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 2: so they're learning how to learn it. That's another skill
• 1:56:31
  Speaker 2: that that AGI is nowhere near understanding. And again you're
• 1:56:35
  Speaker 2: not going to get anywhere with the outputs of bureaucrats
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 2: and accommeditions and politicians and writers like, what what do
• 1:56:45
  Speaker 2: you where do you think these two things intersect with
• 1:56:48
  Speaker 2: the output of welders, and this is what's supposed to
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 2: create the artificial general intelligence that's going to replicate. Literally,
• 1:56:56
  Speaker 2: they're saying, we we we were losing men. We can't
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 2: motivate men, so we need to make more men. Right, Well,
• 1:57:04
  Speaker 2: you have men, why don't you motivate them? And the
• 1:57:08
  Speaker 2: other thing is that even if I allow that the
• 1:57:12
  Speaker 2: current token or the current yeah, just call them tokens,
• 1:57:16
  Speaker 2: the current tokens, which are all large language model. It's
• 1:57:19
  Speaker 2: a large language model. So they're all language tokens. Even
• 1:57:23
  Speaker 2: if you allow that could somehow translate to the kind
• 1:57:27
  Speaker 2: of tokens you'd need to replicate propreceptive intelligence. These large
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 2: language models have a gigantic hole where men are because
• 1:57:42
  Speaker 2: they come from feminist academia and they're trained on feminists,
• 1:57:48
  Speaker 2: on leftists who basically hate men and can't stand the
• 1:57:52
  Speaker 2: thought that there's anything unique about men. It's why Claude
• 1:57:55
  Speaker 2: can't answer the if you reverse the genders on the
• 1:57:58
  Speaker 2: surgeon riddle. You know, a woman and her son is
• 1:58:02
  Speaker 2: riding in a car to get an accident. The woman
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 2: sadly dies, the son is rushed to the hospital and
• 1:58:09
  Speaker 2: the surgeon says, I can't operate on him. This is
• 1:58:11
  Speaker 2: my son, and Claude says, oh, obviously, this is the
• 1:58:15
  Speaker 2: boy's other mother. Can't even say the word father because
• 1:58:19
  Speaker 2: he can't conceive or it isn't allowed to conceive of
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: a role that men occupy exclusively that it's constrained to
• 1:58:28
  Speaker 2: a man occupying that role. So it has a huge
• 1:58:31
  Speaker 2: blind spot where a man would be. And you're saying
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 2: that this is going to replicate the activities of men.
• 1:58:38
  Speaker 2: Let's be honest here. What artificial generaline techlligence actually means
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 2: is man. We want to recreate men, and we want
• 1:58:48
  Speaker 2: to recreate we want to be able to command giant
• 1:58:51
  Speaker 2: fleets of labor without ever having to actually care about
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: men and their opinion of things. It's just not gonna happen. Well,
• 1:59:01
  Speaker 2: first of all, it's not gonna happen because they haven't
• 1:59:03
  Speaker 2: even started to measure the thing that they would need
• 1:59:06
  Speaker 2: to measure to make it happen. But it's also not
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 2: going to happen because they're not even thinking about measuring
• 1:59:13
  Speaker 2: the thing that they need to measure to make it happen.
• 1:59:15
  Speaker 2: They're not even acknowledging that what they need to replicate
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 2: is men. So there, what's going to happen is that
• 1:59:22
  Speaker 2: these AI companies are going to recreate something that they
• 1:59:27
  Speaker 2: have never seen and don't acknowledge exists. No, they're not.
• 1:59:33
  Speaker 2: So it's absurd on its face, and it's also a
• 1:59:38
  Speaker 2: bubble that's going to explode. All right, Okay, I would
• 1:59:43
  Speaker 2: say deflate, but actually explode.
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 1: Uh yeah, all right, So last paragraph of this section
• 1:59:50
  Speaker 1: on male marginalization, and then maybe should we like we've
• 1:59:54
  Speaker 1: been going for two hours, so yeah, I.
• 1:59:57
  Speaker 2: Know, each section seems to be very Yeah.
• 2:00:00
  Speaker 1: There's a lot of ranting that comes out of it,
• 2:00:03
  Speaker 1: regardless of precisely when our post automation future arrives. This
• 2:00:08
  Speaker 1: is the world in which we likely can afford generous
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 1: enough financial transfers to support individualistic reproduction for everyone who
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 1: wants a baby. If artificial wounbds arrive around the same time,
• 2:00:19
  Speaker 1: men can have similar reproductive opportunities as women. Okay, but
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 1: what about the children. First of all, we have okay,
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 1: right now, we have sperm banks, right, so women can
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 1: get sperm and they can impregnate themselves. But these sperm
• 2:00:40
  Speaker 1: banks have a high failure rate. Let me just look
• 2:00:43
  Speaker 1: it up here, sperm banks failure rate. And the problem
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 1: with that is that if it is really high, then
• 2:00:55
  Speaker 1: sperm banks are not a guarantee even though they're bringing
• 2:00:58
  Speaker 1: pitched as one. Yeah, like a freezing and thawing damage.
• 2:01:07
  Speaker 1: Some sperm typically fifty percent to two thirds of sperm
• 2:01:11
  Speaker 1: do not survive the freeze thaw cycle. So it's it's
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 1: like two thirds up to two thirds of the sperm
• 2:01:19
  Speaker 1: that you freeze doesn't make it. So if we were
• 2:01:23
  Speaker 1: like to decide that we're just gonna for example, if
• 2:01:25
  Speaker 1: we just decided today that we're gonna do all reproduction
• 2:01:29
  Speaker 1: through sperm, we would effectively make a third or no
• 2:01:33
  Speaker 1: two thirds of the next generation you know, inviable. They
• 2:01:38
  Speaker 1: would just not work out, and of the ones that
• 2:01:43
  Speaker 1: are left over, we don't know if there's any issues
• 2:01:45
  Speaker 1: with those. A study of the Human Province Human Sperm
• 2:01:49
  Speaker 1: Bank found that ever after eleven to fifteen years of storage,
• 2:01:54
  Speaker 1: clinical pregnancy rates remain stable at approximately twenty two percent,
• 2:02:01
  Speaker 1: So they get pregnant twenty two percent of the time,
• 2:02:03
  Speaker 1: and of the twenty two percent of the time they
• 2:02:06
  Speaker 1: get pregnant, the birth rates themselves, like the birth happens
• 2:02:11
  Speaker 1: eighty percent of the time, and with IVF, clinical presidency
• 2:02:16
  Speaker 1: rates decrease slightly from sixty four percent to fifty three percent,
• 2:02:20
  Speaker 1: with live birth rates dropping from eighty two to seventy four.
• 2:02:24
  Speaker 1: So these are not good numbers if you want kids,
• 2:02:29
  Speaker 1: These are not high numbers at all. That's just for
• 2:02:33
  Speaker 1: the sperm banks right now. Artificial wombs are probably gonna
• 2:02:37
  Speaker 1: be worse. I'm guessing I think that we just my opinion,
• 2:02:44
  Speaker 1: my two cents. I don't think we should be looking
• 2:02:46
  Speaker 1: to these technologies for stuff that we already are built
• 2:02:50
  Speaker 1: for right now. I'm just saying I'd rather fix the
• 2:02:54
  Speaker 1: social problem than try to fix it with tech. But
• 2:02:59
  Speaker 1: that's just me.
• 2:03:02
  Speaker 2: Yeah, But you know, feminism, we got to keep that.
• 2:03:06
  Speaker 2: It's really critical. That's funny how we we can't seem
• 2:03:09
  Speaker 2: to move it despite the fact that we're facing an
• 2:03:11
  Speaker 2: ex distential end all right. So I asked if in
• 2:03:14
  Speaker 2: cells want more variety in partners because I was gonna
• 2:03:16
  Speaker 2: chase down that fact from this and it's basically modestly so,
• 2:03:22
  Speaker 2: so in cells sort of fantasize more about not having
• 2:03:29
  Speaker 2: a relationship or having sex with someone who is not
• 2:03:32
  Speaker 2: in a committed relationship.
• 2:03:35
  Speaker 1: Sure, that's what they fantasize about, but that's not necessarily
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 1: what they.
• 2:03:40
  Speaker 2: Want, you know, and it's only marginally more.
• 2:03:45
  Speaker 1: Yeah, you could fantasize about a harem, but do you
• 2:03:50
  Speaker 1: want one? Like, I'm just saying there's a difference, right,
• 2:04:00
  Speaker 1: It's I'm saying, like, but we shouldn't think of it
• 2:04:04
  Speaker 1: as what that Yeah, Like I don't want that's like
• 2:04:07
  Speaker 1: a lot of work. I could one woman is a
• 2:04:10
  Speaker 1: lot of work. Okay, so I couldn't. I couldn't even
• 2:04:15
  Speaker 1: think of it. I'm sorry, But yeah, they're just fantasies.
• 2:04:21
  Speaker 1: They're not. That's crazy. Sleepy Auzye gave us ten dollars Superchild,
• 2:04:26
  Speaker 1: thank you. We got a lot of super chowds today.
• 2:04:28
  Speaker 1: Alison says it's funny that they outright say that we
• 2:04:31
  Speaker 1: will piss off men with ideas and proposals, so we
• 2:04:34
  Speaker 1: need to deploy propaganda to hide this. Yeah, but they
• 2:04:38
  Speaker 1: also say they don't want to piss off the women.
• 2:04:40
  Speaker 1: That's like the impetus for this entire paper is trying
• 2:04:43
  Speaker 1: to figure out how to give women exactly what they
• 2:04:46
  Speaker 1: want without upsetting them. That's like the premise. I think
• 2:04:50
  Speaker 1: maybe they should ask if they are the bad guys.
• 2:04:52
  Speaker 1: At this point, they acknowledge what they are doing. They
• 2:04:55
  Speaker 1: don't think they are the bad guys. Though. When we
• 2:04:57
  Speaker 1: got the email from the person behind, they were like really, like, oh,
• 2:05:01
  Speaker 1: I just thought it was really interesting and you know,
• 2:05:05
  Speaker 1: you guys have an interesting point of view. It could
• 2:05:08
  Speaker 1: be it could be this could this could definitely be
• 2:05:10
  Speaker 1: like an autistic solution. This could be written by an autist.
• 2:05:17
  Speaker 1: That's just like, we're just gonna treat men and women like,
• 2:05:19
  Speaker 1: you know, widgets, and we're just gonna make the widgets
• 2:05:23
  Speaker 1: fit together in some way. But I don't know it's possible, but.
• 2:05:28
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a that's a really good point. We're gonna
• 2:05:30
  Speaker 2: piss men off with our ideas, And nowhere is it
• 2:05:34
  Speaker 2: suggested that maybe you should question what women want. Like
• 2:05:39
  Speaker 2: it's fine, it's fine to piss off and marginalize and
• 2:05:41
  Speaker 2: take money from men. But nowhere in this paper is like, hey,
• 2:05:45
  Speaker 2: maybe women should reconsider their life choices if it leads
• 2:05:50
  Speaker 2: to the extinction of the human race. Right, maybe maybe
• 2:05:54
  Speaker 2: read women need to reconsider their expectations. And what's interesting
• 2:05:59
  Speaker 2: is the paper is also acknowledging that women's I mean
• 2:06:03
  Speaker 2: at the very least. This is a step forward because
• 2:06:06
  Speaker 2: the paper acknowledges that women's standards are something that most
• 2:06:13
  Speaker 2: men don't meet. Now, if you get that, you see
• 2:06:16
  Speaker 2: that right.
• 2:06:18
  Speaker 1: That's actually one of the primary claims the paper is
• 2:06:21
  Speaker 1: making is that men are not living up to women's standards.
• 2:06:25
  Speaker 1: Not that women's standards are third, but that men are
• 2:06:29
  Speaker 1: not living up to them because equality has happened. I
• 2:06:32
  Speaker 1: guess that's what they would say. They would say, That's
• 2:06:35
  Speaker 1: what they would say, Alison, I'm not saying that's what
• 2:06:36
  Speaker 1: I believe. I'm saying that's what they would say. So, well,
• 2:06:39
  Speaker 1: now that we have equality, women are not satisfied, okay.
• 2:06:43
  Speaker 2: And to that, I would say, Soviet Union they had
• 2:06:48
  Speaker 2: equality at least according to workplace. In fact, they had
• 2:06:54
  Speaker 2: higher rates of women in the workplace, higher rates of
• 2:06:57
  Speaker 2: women's education, and they actually had prior to getting into
• 2:07:04
  Speaker 2: the Western system because when they left the Soviet Union,
• 2:07:09
  Speaker 2: the X Bloc countries, they ended up getting loans from
• 2:07:15
  Speaker 2: the West. That's where it all starts, guys. And after
• 2:07:19
  Speaker 2: that their fertility declined because along with the loans, is
• 2:07:24
  Speaker 2: writing this toxic feminist parasite that situates women's oppression the
• 2:07:31
  Speaker 2: relationship between men and women. So it wasn't women's equality
• 2:07:35
  Speaker 2: that did it. It was specifically saying that the site
• 2:07:42
  Speaker 2: of female oppression is her relationship with a man. So
• 2:07:46
  Speaker 2: a relationship with a man is self erasure for women.
• 2:07:50
  Speaker 2: And I don't know why anyone would question that that
• 2:07:53
  Speaker 2: would cause a problem between men and women. But that's
• 2:07:57
  Speaker 2: where it started. It didn't start with equality. Soviet Union
• 2:08:01
  Speaker 2: had that. They had it in spades. They had it
• 2:08:04
  Speaker 2: more than the West, at least in terms of female
• 2:08:06
  Speaker 2: workplace participation. And it wasn't until the feminist nation attacked
• 2:08:12
  Speaker 2: that their fertility started to tank. I mean it tanked
• 2:08:15
  Speaker 2: a bit before because of economic stuff, but then it stabilized.
• 2:08:22
  Speaker 2: And then the world of the World Development Bank, which
• 2:08:25
  Speaker 2: is controlled pretty much controlled by the US Treasury, you know,
• 2:08:30
  Speaker 2: they went in with the European Development Bank and they
• 2:08:34
  Speaker 2: just they sicked some feminism on them, and you know
• 2:08:39
  Speaker 2: the rest is history. Their birth rates started to plummet again.
• 2:08:45
  Speaker 2: And yeah, like I to me, it just makes perfect
• 2:08:48
  Speaker 2: sense that when you tell women that getting in a
• 2:08:53
  Speaker 2: relationship with a man is basically signing on to her
• 2:08:57
  Speaker 2: own oppression, that women will be like, I don't want
• 2:09:01
  Speaker 2: to do that, and then when you enforce it, when
• 2:09:04
  Speaker 2: you say, well, if you're a woman who questions that,
• 2:09:08
  Speaker 2: then you have false consciousness and you're not really a person, right,
• 2:09:12
  Speaker 2: And that's what the Sisterhood does. Any woman who questions
• 2:09:15
  Speaker 2: it is a pick me who doesn't really have who
• 2:09:18
  Speaker 2: isn't really a person. So you know, line them up
• 2:09:23
  Speaker 2: against the wall kind of thing, at least in terms
• 2:09:26
  Speaker 2: of socially socially ostracize them, remove our reception of their personhood. Yeah,
• 2:09:34
  Speaker 2: you know, I wonder if that's really one of the
• 2:09:36
  Speaker 2: reasons why I'm different. It's like, when women do that
• 2:09:40
  Speaker 2: to me, I'm like, yeah, I don't need you in
• 2:09:43
  Speaker 2: my life. Bye. Other women are like just cowtow. They
• 2:09:48
  Speaker 2: just submit to it. It's astounding, right, and it's actually
• 2:09:54
  Speaker 2: start of gross. And again I've said this before, like,
• 2:10:00
  Speaker 2: if if a woman wants to silence me or control
• 2:10:05
  Speaker 2: what I say or think she can she you know,
• 2:10:08
  Speaker 2: the exit is that way out of my life. And
• 2:10:12
  Speaker 2: I'm not going to pay attention to you. I'm not
• 2:10:14
  Speaker 2: gonna pay attention to any woman who doesn't allow me
• 2:10:16
  Speaker 2: to have my own mind. Sure as hell, I'm not
• 2:10:19
  Speaker 2: going to agree with you because you're bullying me, and
• 2:10:23
  Speaker 2: that's it. That's it. For twenty years, that's what feminists
• 2:10:25
  Speaker 2: have given me every time I question this, And now
• 2:10:27
  Speaker 2: I know why. Because they all agreed that there was
• 2:10:33
  Speaker 2: no evidence of patriarchy. This is the this is the
• 2:10:35
  Speaker 2: cracks here, guys. They all agreed there was no actual
• 2:10:38
  Speaker 2: evidence that they were being oppressed. They're all like, yep,
• 2:10:41
  Speaker 2: actually we can't. We can't really find it, Stu, we
• 2:10:47
  Speaker 2: can't find it empirically. Oo, let's doe standpoint theory. Yeah,
• 2:10:52
  Speaker 2: our emotions make it real, right, And because we're oppressed,
• 2:10:58
  Speaker 2: we have a greater understanding of our oppressures. But we're
• 2:11:01
  Speaker 2: not oppressed. We just no, no, no, no, no, listen, listen,
• 2:11:04
  Speaker 2: it works. It works right, because we are oppressed, even
• 2:11:09
  Speaker 2: though we have no empirical evidence that we're oppressed. Because
• 2:11:12
  Speaker 2: we're oppressed, we don't need empirical evidence because as the
• 2:11:16
  Speaker 2: oppressed party, we understand our oppressors and our oppressions more
• 2:11:21
  Speaker 2: than men could, and men would want some kind of
• 2:11:24
  Speaker 2: empirical evidence of this allegation, and therefore we are oppressed.
• 2:11:28
  Speaker 2: And because men wanting empirical evidence of oppression is in
• 2:11:33
  Speaker 2: self more oppression that men are doing to us ipso facto,
• 2:11:38
  Speaker 2: we're oppressed and we don't have to prove it. And
• 2:11:43
  Speaker 2: it's like, that's why I've been abused for the last
• 2:11:46
  Speaker 2: ten twenty years by feminists, bullied by feminists, is because
• 2:11:51
  Speaker 2: they don't want any woman poking that gigantic pustule of thought,
• 2:11:58
  Speaker 2: that that gigantic boots of bullshit that they constructed between
• 2:12:04
  Speaker 2: the years of nineteen seventy and nineteen eighty five to
• 2:12:08
  Speaker 2: justify their complete lack of evidence that women are oppressed,
• 2:12:13
  Speaker 2: and they and they did. They created a standpoint theory saying,
• 2:12:17
  Speaker 2: we don't need it, We don't need evidence. Evidence is
• 2:12:19
  Speaker 2: of the devil, I mean when it's of men and men,
• 2:12:21
  Speaker 2: men are of the devil, so we don't need it.
• 2:12:23
  Speaker 2: And then they constructed an intersectionality to explain all to
• 2:12:27
  Speaker 2: mop up all of the stuff that just didn't just
• 2:12:30
  Speaker 2: doesn't really fit into pay cheerarchy, like black men and
• 2:12:34
  Speaker 2: their troubles, and poor men and their troubles, and handicapped
• 2:12:38
  Speaker 2: men and their troubles. Well, let's just put it all
• 2:12:40
  Speaker 2: into intersectionality to launder out the men, and hey, presto,
• 2:12:45
  Speaker 2: it works. All of feminist conjecture is just a bunch
• 2:12:50
  Speaker 2: of bullshit buttressing that original falsehood, that original thing they
• 2:12:56
  Speaker 2: couldn't prove. It is astounding levels of perfidity. Okay, all right,
• 2:13:08
  Speaker 2: and this is what we need to preserve, is it?
• 2:13:11
  Speaker 2: You know, the future of the human races in the
• 2:13:14
  Speaker 2: scales in the balance, and then a bunch of women
• 2:13:17
  Speaker 2: in the seventies deciding that men oppress women with no evidence,
• 2:13:22
  Speaker 2: and we need to preserve that. I okay, yeah, all right,
• 2:13:31
  Speaker 2: I just add, okay, I'm done, I'm off my I'm
• 2:13:35
  Speaker 2: off my ranting podium, and it just comes out to here.
• 2:13:39
  Speaker 2: It comes out to here. We cannot question the symptoms
• 2:13:44
  Speaker 2: in women's choices and men which are a direct result
• 2:13:48
  Speaker 2: of all of this ideological chicanery that I just detailed.
• 2:13:53
  Speaker 2: You know, you say, women, oh uh, men oppress you,
• 2:13:56
  Speaker 2: that your relationship is self erasure. They create insaan hypergum
• 2:14:00
  Speaker 2: me as a result, and we can't question any of
• 2:14:03
  Speaker 2: that for the same reason we can't question the crass
• 2:14:06
  Speaker 2: insanity in the nineteen seventies, Like, I mean, I don't
• 2:14:10
  Speaker 2: even get it, Like, how did people just look at
• 2:14:12
  Speaker 2: that and be like yup, yup, yop, yup, yup, yup yup.
• 2:14:15
  Speaker 2: That makes perfect sense. Was it just another situation where
• 2:14:18
  Speaker 2: everybody just buried their heads in the sand and said, oh,
• 2:14:21
  Speaker 2: if we ignore it, it'll go away. Guys, surely feminism
• 2:14:25
  Speaker 2: will go away if we ignore it. Well, it didn't,
• 2:14:28
  Speaker 2: did it. It just went everywhere? And now we have
• 2:14:31
  Speaker 2: this paper and we can't tell women, Hey, your standards
• 2:14:35
  Speaker 2: are insane. And maybe it's because worm tummy is poisoning,
• 2:14:39
  Speaker 2: dripping poison in your ear about men? Okay, okay, cool,
• 2:14:46
  Speaker 2: that was the long one. Mm hmm, I think I
• 2:14:49
  Speaker 2: need a nap.
• 2:14:52
  Speaker 1: Well that's the end of the section, and let me
• 2:14:55
  Speaker 1: just just double check to make sure we don't have
• 2:14:57
  Speaker 1: any more super chows or anything. We're good on that,
• 2:15:01
  Speaker 1: so we can pick it up next time with the
• 2:15:04
  Speaker 1: future of free women. So now they're gonna say, well,
• 2:15:07
  Speaker 1: I guess we'll get into what this means for women.
• 2:15:10
  Speaker 1: How will women benefit? We know men will have it tough,
• 2:15:14
  Speaker 1: but who cares about that? What does this mean for
• 2:15:18
  Speaker 1: women's though? How How much more liberating are we gonna do? Guys? Yeah?
• 2:15:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it is unbelievable, isn't it. Like it's just like, yeah,
• 2:15:28
  Speaker 2: this is this proposal, It's it's gonna marginalize men, but
• 2:15:32
  Speaker 2: we couldn't possibly question women in their choices. Yeah, I
• 2:15:39
  Speaker 2: just don't get it, Like, at what point do we
• 2:15:42
  Speaker 2: get to say, don't men get to get something from
• 2:15:45
  Speaker 2: society that they're primarily the ones who are maintaining it,
• 2:15:48
  Speaker 2: you know, don't men deserve something? You know? And it's
• 2:15:53
  Speaker 2: it's just like, at some point can we not have
• 2:15:57
  Speaker 2: that question that answer like growing up? Bring that to
• 2:16:00
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• 2:17:11
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• 2:17:16
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• 2:17:44
  Speaker 2: their birth rate started to decline, their marriage formation started
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