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Winter Games Closing Ceremonies · The Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous Podcast

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  Speaker 1: This is the Ben and Ashley I Almost Famous podcast
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  Speaker 1: with our radio. Hey guys, it's Ashley and I am
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  Speaker 1: joined by my co host today, Kevin went, Lily Mans
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  Speaker 1: and Courtney Dope. Good Morning America. I feel like it
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  Speaker 1: takes three of ye, truly, truly does. It's so sad
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  Speaker 1: that Ben's on here because I know that we would
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  Speaker 1: love to talk about all of his tears, like he
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  Speaker 1: made America weep. The other day, my sister was crying
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  Speaker 1: so hard during Yuki in Ben's exit, she was like
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  Speaker 1: laugh crying. She was having the Ashley I laugh cry
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  Speaker 1: because she was laughing. She was crying so hard. So
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  Speaker 1: that runs in the family. Yes, doesn't do you not
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  Speaker 1: do that? I don't laugh cry. I did cry, though
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  Speaker 1: I cried. I never cried right now, I don't cry
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  Speaker 1: be they got everyone. I was crying Atlas both Abah.
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  Speaker 1: I want to know from your guy's perspective, how you
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  Speaker 1: felt Ben was on the show, because everybody was like
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  Speaker 1: Ben seems like he has walls up, and I was like,
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  Speaker 1: it seems like relatively normal Ben to me, Well, how
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  Speaker 1: do you guys feel he was in that environment? Um?
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  Speaker 1: I feel like he probably treated you because you guys
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  Speaker 1: are such good friends. Yeah, he was like really open
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  Speaker 1: with me, and we had conversations that you guys wouldn't. Yeah, besides,
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  Speaker 1: me and him had a good conversation about our similar
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  Speaker 1: breakups and besides that. Um, I just thought it was
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  Speaker 1: just a normal dude hanging in the house. But I
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  Speaker 1: didn't think he was the saint of the world. The
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  Speaker 1: second well, of course, I mean we just we just
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  Speaker 1: we just got along really well. And I didn't really
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  Speaker 1: see him. I don't know him in any other way.
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  Speaker 1: So that's just the bend that I met. Um. I
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  Speaker 1: didn't see him being closed off. He was engaging with
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  Speaker 1: all of us. I just think he just wasn't ready
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  Speaker 1: to be there. Yeah, I think that's the good thing
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  Speaker 1: about US internationals. I had no idea who he was
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  Speaker 1: coming into it. I just thought he was a normal guy.
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  Speaker 1: You were obviously really passionate about him to suss that
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  Speaker 1: and be like, what's to deal with that? But I
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  Speaker 1: had a conversation with the guy. He was like, he's
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  Speaker 1: really gentle, soft kind of man, good guy. Yeah, he's
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  Speaker 1: like America's prince, he really is. Yeah. Yeah, It's it's
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  Speaker 1: funny in these situations that like you go into a
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  Speaker 1: house and you've only got limited time to meet people
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  Speaker 1: and form relationships and see where they're going to go,
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  Speaker 1: and if it don't work, then you move on. Kevin
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  Speaker 1: Class example. Um, And I think with Ben he sort
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  Speaker 1: of I don't know the image that I got from here.
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  Speaker 1: He sort of did hold back. He did a lot
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  Speaker 1: of cooking by himself and didn't really engage with that
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  Speaker 1: many people. See that's so interesting. I always felt like
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  Speaker 1: he was engaging, and then everybody else who didn't know
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  Speaker 1: him didn't feel the same. Yeah. I think in group
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  Speaker 1: settings he was always like, yeah, it's like, yeah, we're
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  Speaker 1: all friends kind of thing in this area. But I
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  Speaker 1: think one on one he never really saw him have
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  Speaker 1: too many intimate conversation. Oh. Absolutely, very into him. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: he just wasn't putting himself. I think he was himself.
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  Speaker 1: He just wasn't crossing that line to really put himself
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  Speaker 1: to be available, right. Yeah. He definitely put the friend
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  Speaker 1: zone of vibes out there. And I thought that he
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  Speaker 1: was like very much of a father figure in the
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  Speaker 1: house he cooked or not, and that you're right, you're right, Oh,
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  Speaker 1: yeah he is six years I'm giving you an insane Yeah, no,
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  Speaker 1: he's definitely he's younger than me too, but he's definitely
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  Speaker 1: my big brother. Yeah. Okay, well I mean elephant in
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  Speaker 1: the room here, Kevin and I one public platforms feet
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  Speaker 1: to rub it into thank you very much. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I well, thank you you guys. A little known fact
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  Speaker 1: that you didn't see. Kevin was so competitive that day
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  Speaker 1: it was freaking me out. Was like, oh, wait, I
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  Speaker 1: have found this man's flaw. He like, can't he's taking
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  Speaker 1: this away too seriously. And then he was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I'm not. We're just having fun. And I said, no,
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  Speaker 1: we need to win the Bachelor Winner games for you,
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  Speaker 1: and he's like, if you would you say You're like,
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  Speaker 1: if you ever say that again, Yeah, it was for us.
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  Speaker 1: It was for us. I didn't want it to be
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  Speaker 1: from me, like, you're gonna be mad, You're gonna be
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  Speaker 1: so upset if we don't win. And he's like, if
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  Speaker 1: you ever say that, I'm going to be like heartbroken
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  Speaker 1: if we don't win. So here's the thing. When you
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  Speaker 1: watch the episodes, it's so okay. You see us form relationship,
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  Speaker 1: go on a date, have some good conversations, but by
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  Speaker 1: the time ice dancing came up, I knew I was
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  Speaker 1: going to see Ashley after the show. I was excited
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  Speaker 1: about our relationship. So once you get to the arena,
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  Speaker 1: it's like game face on, Like our relationship will be fine,
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  Speaker 1: let's just worry about the ice dancing. Yeah, you're so
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  Speaker 1: game face on. And I was so bad. You guys,
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  Speaker 1: and the thing is, um you got to see a
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  Speaker 1: little a little taste of our rehearsal the day before
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  Speaker 1: with you know, Nancy Karrigan, Babylonian Randy what Something Gardner Good.
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  Speaker 1: Kevin and I were so much better during the rehearsals
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  Speaker 1: because they let us wear layers. Like I was all bundled,
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  Speaker 1: so I wasn't freezing. I was so tense. I couldn't
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  Speaker 1: move at all in that outfit. So yeah, So if
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  Speaker 1: you watched the episode and you saw Ashley and I
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  Speaker 1: barely move basically just make out and win. The ice
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  Speaker 1: dancing practice was a lot better because she had foot
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  Speaker 1: warmers and handwarmers and like three layers. Steve, we had
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  Speaker 1: like giant children's clothes like we had show. I know,
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  Speaker 1: Court of Lily, and I didn't get the cute outfits
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  Speaker 1: that set. The other two were real like trendy, sexy,
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  Speaker 1: they were so sexy, which fate. I know I would
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  Speaker 1: have felt better about myself and maybe have performed better
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  Speaker 1: if I had a sexy outfit on. You guys both
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  Speaker 1: look fantastic. You don't like a Disney princess that thing.
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  Speaker 1: Thank you. You're so sweet. It's so sweet. Corny looked
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  Speaker 1: very sexy. Thank you, Kevin, Thank you very much. Courney
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  Speaker 1: and Lily, you are the international couple. Um. I think
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  Speaker 1: they concentrate a lot on the couples that had an
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  Speaker 1: American in them because people knew them and had a
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  Speaker 1: prior connection to them before they felt like something to
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  Speaker 1: root for. But you guys have honestly defeated the odds
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  Speaker 1: because people love you so much because you're hysterical together,
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  Speaker 1: your chemistry and your sense of humor just drive so well. Um, So,
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  Speaker 1: how do you guys feel about being like America's Aussie
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  Speaker 1: and New Zealand stethearts? There was like Bachelor alumni wanting
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  Speaker 1: to double date with you guys from Wells last night,
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  Speaker 1: and Wells is like actually put Courtney and Lily on
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  Speaker 1: the phone because I need to double date with them. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: that was pretty surreal. I suppose. I mean, I've I've
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  Speaker 1: heard of Wells before, and I think the fact that
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  Speaker 1: he is dating, um, someone from an American television show
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  Speaker 1: that we see so often in Australia, it was like
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  Speaker 1: it was international news. So I think it was pretty yeah,
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  Speaker 1: surreal for someone like that to reach out and be like,
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  Speaker 1: let's go on a double date. Um. So that's exciting.
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  Speaker 1: So hopefully well as if you're listening, let's go on
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  Speaker 1: a double date. America has really taken us under their wing,
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  Speaker 1: which is so nice. We are a bunch of videos.
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  Speaker 1: It comes across, doesn't wow. Yeah, So did you guys
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  Speaker 1: feel like maybe your relationship wasn't shown enough on screen
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  Speaker 1: that people may not have understood that there was chapter
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  Speaker 1: skipped over? And if there was, I need to know
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  Speaker 1: the scenes that you wish were still in there. Yeah? Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: where do we stop? I think the last two episodes
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  Speaker 1: kind of started to show more of our personality is
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  Speaker 1: definitely the last one was like, okay, there we are.
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  Speaker 1: You know that's really us and established couple. Uh. The
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  Speaker 1: last thing, the last thing, do you want to actually
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  Speaker 1: caught me? I think you tell this story aboutter Do
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  Speaker 1: you want to tell him about dropping me? Um? Yeah?
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  Speaker 1: So there was obviously I mean, this is a G
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  Speaker 1: rated show PG. Really there was. There was lots of
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  Speaker 1: lots of scenarios that Literally and I put ourselves in
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  Speaker 1: that we're probably not not for that age demographic. But
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  Speaker 1: one thing that you didn't see was me drop a
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  Speaker 1: knee on our on our final one on one day,
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  Speaker 1: the only date that Literally and I actually got, which
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  Speaker 1: was which was nice. Um. But yeah, we sort of
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  Speaker 1: had that very intimate conversation pouring my heart out and
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  Speaker 1: then I said, there's only one real way to show
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  Speaker 1: a woman how you feel about her, and I dropped
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  Speaker 1: a knee and she freaked out her face when as
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  Speaker 1: wide as it goes. Um. But I did take my
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  Speaker 1: shoe off and offer her a shoey, which she explained.
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  Speaker 1: So if you watched the end of I think it
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  Speaker 1: was episode three, they did show a shoey um, and
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  Speaker 1: it was a competition between myself and the other New
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  Speaker 1: Zealander Jordan's. But basically it's just something that Australians and
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  Speaker 1: New Zealanders have kind of invented. I supposed to just
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  Speaker 1: entertain ourselves. That's what we like to take down there
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  Speaker 1: and drink alcohol from exactly, So pretty much pour drink
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  Speaker 1: in a warm, it's from a yeah, and it's usually
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  Speaker 1: the other person's shoe as well. It's not like you
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  Speaker 1: don't get the comfort of your own foot sweat um.
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  Speaker 1: So generally it's like a show of how manly you are.
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  Speaker 1: So you dropped a knee and I dropped her and
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  Speaker 1: I dropped a knee. She I've never been happy in
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  Speaker 1: my whole entire But hopefully that'll make it somewhere online,
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  Speaker 1: because I think it was. It was a great moment.
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  Speaker 1: I mean I remember just getting on one knee and
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  Speaker 1: looking up at her and her face was just hysterical.
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  Speaker 1: She was like, get the hell up? What have they
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  Speaker 1: convinced you to do? Because he got dragged out by
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  Speaker 1: the producers after spilling all of his feelings all over
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  Speaker 1: the couch. Or was like, oh my god, he's gonna
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  Speaker 1: do it. They've given him a ring and I just
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  Speaker 1: went white. Where did this place in the series? What
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  Speaker 1: this was on our our before the fantasy? Sweet only
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  Speaker 1: one on one day? I never want to speak um. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: So speaking of getting down on one knee, how scared
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  Speaker 1: r was Dean giving Leslie the key to his house,
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  Speaker 1: because like, they're definitely really great, but I know that
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  Speaker 1: she's not ready for her proposal, but that with the
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  Speaker 1: lead up because so Kevin and I were now on stage,
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  Speaker 1: so we didn't see this, So we just saw this
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  Speaker 1: for the first time last night on TV. That was
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  Speaker 1: a convincing almost proposal. He did pretty well, didn't you
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  Speaker 1: see through it? Someone was telling me that they knew
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  Speaker 1: he was not going to do it. Yeah, well, I
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  Speaker 1: mean he's pretty young, surely wouldn't lock himself in that.
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  Speaker 1: I thought it was a pretty cute gesture because she
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  Speaker 1: was since I met her, about settling down somewhere and
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  Speaker 1: putting in bags. I guess, yeah, so that even the
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  Speaker 1: first the first day I met her, she I'm like,
• 10:44
  Speaker 1: where you from? She's like everywhere? So, yeah, guys, to clarify,
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  Speaker 1: Leslie actually hasn't had a home home for like two years.
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  Speaker 1: When she is in the stage, she's either at her
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  Speaker 1: parents or her in Arkansas, or her parents or her
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  Speaker 1: sister's in Texas, and she's yeah, she hasn't had an
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  Speaker 1: apartment because she travels so much. It's like pointless to
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  Speaker 1: spend rent on something that she's maybe there for seven
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  Speaker 1: days a month. Proposal was somewhere to put your bags.
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  Speaker 1: It was kind of nice. Well, we had an actual
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  Speaker 1: real proposal before we get Claire and Ben Watt on
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  Speaker 1: the line. The Canadians came in hot yesterday. And you've
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  Speaker 1: known Ben Waff for over like about two years now, right, Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it's been about two years. She just learned English two
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  Speaker 1: years ago, just so everyone knows. Isn't that insane? Guys?
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  Speaker 1: You know when I did The Bachelor of Canada with him,
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  Speaker 1: I guess it would have been a year and a
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  Speaker 1: half plus ago, almost two years ago. He did not
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  Speaker 1: speak this well. I think she was much more brick
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  Speaker 1: you know when people are kind of giggling when he's
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  Speaker 1: talking to Claire last night because people, Yeah, he says, women,
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  Speaker 1: you're the best women I've ever met, I've ever met
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  Speaker 1: stuff like that. Well you should like the first time
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  Speaker 1: I met him it was twice as bad. So he's
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  Speaker 1: come along very impressive. He's come along with He was
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  Speaker 1: at the Yuki on your season? Was he not that
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  Speaker 1: it wasn't just like hello? Still he's still spokenlish. It
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  Speaker 1: just I've seen him come a long way since. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: And what else should we know about Ben Wat that
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  Speaker 1: we didn't get to see on the show or and
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  Speaker 1: we all know that he's like such a hopeless romantic.
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  Speaker 1: But you know, we only got to see two episodes
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  Speaker 1: of him. Yeah, so he's he's he's very old soul,
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  Speaker 1: he's very meet your soul made and run with it
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  Speaker 1: like he's he's a romantic movie comedy like all in
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  Speaker 1: one right. Um, he fell in love quickly and he
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  Speaker 1: does that. Even when the bachelorreat season I was on
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  Speaker 1: with him, he made it to top four, um, and
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  Speaker 1: we only have three hometown It was the day before
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  Speaker 1: hometown set he got eliminated. He was so upset. He
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  Speaker 1: was upset still months after. UM and a lot of
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  Speaker 1: people can get off these shows and kind of bounce
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  Speaker 1: back quickly, especially when you're not doing fantasy suites or
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  Speaker 1: hometown and stuff like that. He was still really really
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  Speaker 1: rattled from it all because he's just such a hopeless romantic.
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  Speaker 1: And then I saw him when I had a goodbye
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  Speaker 1: talk that wasn't shown on camera. When I goodbye talk
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  Speaker 1: with him in Vermont, you could tell he was very
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  Speaker 1: um in declare, like more than I ever knew from
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  Speaker 1: sitting around the living room. He was very devastated to
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  Speaker 1: go home, but he knew he had to, and yeah,
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  Speaker 1: it was great to see him come out. That was crazy.
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  Speaker 1: Like your reaction was the best it was. It was
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  Speaker 1: really funny. You don't look so moretted. Yeah, he looks
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  Speaker 1: at you, said you look scared. I was like, no,
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I look absolutely flabbergasted. Your face was priceless.
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  Speaker 1: There's so many tears and the crowds all again, Lily cried.
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  Speaker 1: I did. Every girl is dripping tears. Just I was
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  Speaker 1: off my state, like holding all of my limbs to
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  Speaker 1: make sure. Now things fell out. I remember all those
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  Speaker 1: little closed ups of your faces. So funny. I just
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  Speaker 1: love that they're both They just both seem very into it,
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  Speaker 1: and they both have careers that can move. They feel
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  Speaker 1: like they just work with it and they'll they'll make
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  Speaker 1: it work, which is pretty awesome. Yeah, that such a
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  Speaker 1: vulnerable guy. I was so overwhelmed by how much he
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  Speaker 1: could put himself out there and be completely open to
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  Speaker 1: doing that. You don't meet a lot of guys that
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  Speaker 1: can do that. Yeah, that's true. It was funny because
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  Speaker 1: when we sat down after getting off the hot seat,
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  Speaker 1: Ben Wall was like, I'm so sorry for eliminating your
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  Speaker 1: you know, writing your name on that card. The first
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  Speaker 1: row ceremony and I was like, oh, ben wat please,
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  Speaker 1: literally not a big deal, and then with why would
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  Speaker 1: you he was thinking about apologizing to me that like
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  Speaker 1: shows his character. He apologized to me when he was
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  Speaker 1: bracing himself for in two minutes superposed to a woman. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: now we have Claire on the line. Claire and ben Wall.
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  Speaker 1: What Claire and Ben wa you're both connected on the
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  Speaker 1: Almost Famous podcast. I feel so honored. I feel like
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  Speaker 1: we're your first post interview despite all the things that
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  Speaker 1: you did after the taping the other day. Where is
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  Speaker 1: no way we are having your first interview like post
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  Speaker 1: show like whereas now America knows big reveal, You guys
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  Speaker 1: are engaged. You got to let us know everything that
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  Speaker 1: has happened between that day that Ben Wall left the
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  Speaker 1: house and the day that he dropped on one knee.
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure that so many Bachelor Nation members out there
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  Speaker 1: are like, what in the heck has happened? Wait? Wait, wait,
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  Speaker 1: before you start, Betty, Betty, before you start. Do you
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  Speaker 1: remember when I talked to you at Christmas time? Yeah, exactly.
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  Speaker 1: I talked to you on the phone and you asked
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  Speaker 1: how the show went. I told you all about Ashley,
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  Speaker 1: and then you said, well, I kind of started talking
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  Speaker 1: to Claire again. Do you remember that, buddy? This is amazing. Okay,
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  Speaker 1: sorry you guys go ahead, Okay. So yeah, and that
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  Speaker 1: was that was true. Like me and Claire when when
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  Speaker 1: she got back to Sacramento, we started talking to each other,
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  Speaker 1: uh face timing a lot like each and every day,
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  Speaker 1: like almost every day, like for like between one one
• 17:11
  Speaker 1: or three hours, Like it was like a lot of
• 17:14
  Speaker 1: talk because we have we had a lot of catch
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: up to do on a bunch of stuff, and uh,
• 17:20
  Speaker 1: like you know, it went fast on the show, so
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: we kind of take it slow from there, and uh
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: we uh planned made the January I think my memories
• 17:30
  Speaker 1: right uh to see each other in San Francisco. Unfortunately,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: there was some personal issues that happened that didn't make it,
• 17:39
  Speaker 1: but we managed to see each other maybe two weeks later.
• 17:42
  Speaker 1: My memories right in Los Angeles and so we can
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: hang out, uh the natural end with each other and
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: see if we can make make it work like together
• 17:55
  Speaker 1: in real life. Uh. And it went super well from there,
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: So I knew at that time I was I was
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: in love with her for sure. Did you say did
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: you say it? Yeah? You kind of told her when
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: you left, you said I love you. Really He was like,
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: oh my god, you heard that. I was like, oh yeah,
• 18:16
  Speaker 1: women did not miss that sort of stuff. I was
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: crossing my finger hoping she didn't hear that. It was
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: like STI, uh, too fast for this situation, but once again,
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: like this is who I am. So yeah, she heard that,
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: but I think she knew from from there that I
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: was in love and winter. So but she's taking more
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: more time to figure out these things, and it's good.
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: I understand this whole thing. And you didn't say I
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: love you back at that point, Claire, did you no? No? No?
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: For me? Here's the thing for me, I've had these
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: relationships that start like fire, it's crazy, amazing, it's so good,
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: and then it just burns out so quick and I'm
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: left just you know, just devastated. And so those relationships
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: when like when I met Denla in the house. That's
• 19:05
  Speaker 1: what it reminded me of. What he was like, I
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: love you, I want you, I want you. I'm like, oh, okay,
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: I've seen this before, I've been there, I've done that,
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: and it has not worked out for me. So for me,
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: it's scared me. And it wasn't anything a lack of
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: anything on his part. It was more like, this is
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: coming on way too strong for me, and it's overwhelming
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: me and I don't want to go down that step.
• 19:26
  Speaker 1: I can turn girls off to pursuing a little too hard. Yeah,
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: That's what I've told him, is that I don't regret.
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: I know a lot of people have opinions on but
• 19:36
  Speaker 1: I don't regret how things happened, even with the Christian stuff.
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: I don't regret how things happened because I do. I mean,
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: I've promised myself after my last relationship, I'm going to
• 19:45
  Speaker 1: take my time and I'm really going to get to
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: know a guy. And so this was just too much,
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: too soon, too fast for me, and it overwhelmed me. Um,
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: but now like who we're at now, because he was
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: able to be patient, like our time and still taking
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: our time getting to know each other and going along
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: in that past those talkad So how many days did
• 20:04
  Speaker 1: you guys spend together in hiding, because I feel like
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: I I don't know you hid really well from all
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: of us. I think we were all very confused, Like
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: I didn't know that you were in l A that week,
• 20:16
  Speaker 1: and was hard to keep it a secret. It was
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: hard to keep this secret. There was we went out,
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: like we stuck out a couple of times, and there
• 20:22
  Speaker 1: was people that was like message me on my gm
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: S and they'd be like, hey, saw you out, and
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: I'm like crossing my fingers that they wouldn't make the
• 20:29
  Speaker 1: connection of like, wait a minute. There was even a
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: lady that we ran out till we went out shopping, umay,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: and the lady was like it was right when the
• 20:37
  Speaker 1: show is airing, and she goes, I love you too together,
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: but it was before they had shown that. He went
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: home like I love it. I love how this worked out,
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, little does she know what happens on
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: the show. And then wait a minute, we have to
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: to everyone a few guys, and I'm sorry if it's
• 20:56
  Speaker 1: at one point I think you guys thought these guys
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: are savage. You don't want to talk to us like
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: I think, Devin, I'm sorry thrown any news, but I
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: don't want it like to do. So I'm a huge romantic.
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: I'm glad I didn't know. I really got like a
• 21:09
  Speaker 1: genuine reaction out of me on that stage. I like
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: stood up and gave you guys a standing on it,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: laugh being and being so happy. So I've got a
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: question for you. Did you have any idea that he
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: was going to drop any even the largest idea? Okay,
• 21:25
  Speaker 1: so we had by the way, hello, I didn't know
• 21:27
  Speaker 1: who as yes hi hi hi um. Okay, So we
• 21:36
  Speaker 1: haven't talked about it, and um, we talked about it
• 21:40
  Speaker 1: kind of like this is going fast. But the alternative
• 21:44
  Speaker 1: for me is also, um, I don't know. It was
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: something that I'm sure about. It's something that I wanted
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: in the future. Um. And it wasn't a question of that.
• 21:53
  Speaker 1: It was more a question. It wasn't a question of
• 21:55
  Speaker 1: like do I question him, It's more of I still
• 21:58
  Speaker 1: want to be able to take my time and everything.
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: It was that was more, you know, be able to
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: have my case. But knowing if he's a great guy,
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: that wasn't a doubt in my mind. So from there
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: it was like this is all good for me. So
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: this is the right guy you're saying, I'm saying, this
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: is your man? Is my man? All right? Well, I'm
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: just I'm a little I'm still confused. For our viewers,
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: I need to know when you're feelings started to change,
• 22:25
  Speaker 1: why you gave him the second chance, and what your
• 22:28
  Speaker 1: fascination was with Christian that you decided to pursue that
• 22:31
  Speaker 1: longer than you did with Ben wall in the house.
• 22:34
  Speaker 1: I can answer that he's beautiful. It's always you're in
• 22:38
  Speaker 1: a tough situation. Girl was full of gorgeous men, but um,
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: I'm excluded from that. So these things change, answered profession
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: Things changed for me when, like I said, when I
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: got home and he just wanted to know if I
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: was good and if I was okay and how things
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: were an there was no like hate, There was no anger,
• 23:02
  Speaker 1: There was no bitterness or jealousy or anything like that.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: He was just like, how did things go for you?
• 23:07
  Speaker 1: And um, that's kind of what started it. And I
• 23:11
  Speaker 1: was going, Okay, this guy is allowing me to just
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: be me and he's not giving up on it, which
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: I really liked, and um, that was the key thing
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: for me. And I've spent in a million times. I
• 23:22
  Speaker 1: want a guy that won't give up and it won't
• 23:24
  Speaker 1: run away when stuff gets hard or challenging. And even
• 23:27
  Speaker 1: though it was a challenge to for him to kind
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: of go through this like on his part, um to
• 23:31
  Speaker 1: be patient and stuff like that. It Um, I think
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: it paid off for both of us, obviously, But what
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: was your the question asked, UM. I guess it's with Christian.
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: Why why Um, you decided to try to pursue that longer?
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: So okay, the Christian stuff, he I think obviously everybody
• 23:50
  Speaker 1: can agree he's he's a very good looking guy. But
• 23:52
  Speaker 1: for me, the thing I really loved about Christian was
• 23:55
  Speaker 1: that he was more of like he would stand back
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: and just be like an observer and not being the
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: center of everything. Um, and I really like that. And
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: the guy I don't like the mystery. I think you
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: liked the mystery and it was more of um. He
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: wasn't just like look at me, look at me, look
• 24:12
  Speaker 1: at me, and not like the guys are like that.
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: But I've not attracted to do guy that's like that.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: Like n Kevin used to walk around. Kevin used to
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: walk around the house. And this is my favorite. I
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: didn't care. Um. He would walk around shirtless in the
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: morning with his little Canada happenhone. I like, like, oh yeah,
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: he used to have a scarf. He was totally topless
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: with a Canadian scarf and a Canadian beanie. But it
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: sounds very gased on, like like a little obnoxious, a
• 24:44
  Speaker 1: little showy. But I thought it was the hottest thing ever.
• 24:48
  Speaker 1: Of course, of course obviously yeah, no, but it was.
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: It was That's that's what I liked about Christian. I
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: was like, exactly like you say, it was the mystery
• 24:59
  Speaker 1: of it, um. And it wasn't, like I said, for
• 25:02
  Speaker 1: lack of anything on Ben wats the hat, But it
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: was more of like, let me take my time. I
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: need to decide for myself, and I've you know, done
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: a lot of work on myself since all these shows
• 25:11
  Speaker 1: and going through all this and going through heartbreak in
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: life that I said, you know what, I want to
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: do what's best for me, and I'm sorry if it
• 25:18
  Speaker 1: compromises other people's feelings, but I need to, for once
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: in my relationships, put myself first and instead of just
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: being all about the guy and throwing everything into the
• 25:27
  Speaker 1: guy like I used to do, and just get my
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: heart crushed, So that was huge for me, Claire. One thing, UM,
• 25:33
  Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't get the behind the scenes too
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: much between you guys, Like when I was watching the show,
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: I was watching it as a fan. I didn't really
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: know the Christian thing. I wasn't too in that circle
• 25:41
  Speaker 1: when you guys like, I had no idea even said
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: the word ACUSI the best ever. Um, But but I did.
• 25:51
  Speaker 1: I didt know Ben Wall prior to the show. So
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: the cool thing was watching um. Even when I did
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: The Bachelor at Canada with him, I knew he was
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: a super romantic, super gen new and guy, UM. And
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: I knew he had a lot to offer because even
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: in the house, UM, in Canada, there's a lot less
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: on camera, Like Ben Juan, I spent a lot of
• 26:08
  Speaker 1: time behind the scenes just talking about everything. And I
• 26:11
  Speaker 1: knew that he was this catch, Claire that you see today, right, UM.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: And when he went home like it was his birthday
• 26:18
  Speaker 1: and we're all crying, it was like the worst. And
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: I was like getting ready to make him a cake
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: with the producers. UM, and yeah, we made we made
• 26:28
  Speaker 1: you a cake after you left. I'm sorry. UM. Anyways,
• 26:33
  Speaker 1: watching it unfold, it was like, I wasn't surprised at all,
• 26:36
  Speaker 1: Ben Wah that you pursued her. After that, there was
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: great footage of you guys in l a and like, um,
• 26:41
  Speaker 1: and I knew um, Like I just love that kind
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: of America or everyone watching the show got to see
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: the guy that I knew, not because you didn't even
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: get that great of edit on Bachelor of Canada, but
• 26:52
  Speaker 1: I this is exactly who you are. So it's one
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: of those like you didn't need redemption necessarily, but you
• 26:58
  Speaker 1: need to be shown in at your light And I'm
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: just so happy. I'm just so happy that on a
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: bigger scale, and like the American viewers got to see
• 27:04
  Speaker 1: you as this like really genuine dude. And Claire, you're
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: a super lucky woman. M M definitely, Claire. I think
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: that you show a good example of a girl who
• 27:15
  Speaker 1: has liked bad boys in the past or guys who
• 27:20
  Speaker 1: aren't there for her, and then you go and you
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: kind of fight it for a while, but then you're like,
• 27:26
  Speaker 1: know what I deserve as a guy who is one
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: in with me, who respects me, who like honestly just
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: worships me. Like what advice do you have for girls
• 27:34
  Speaker 1: out there? Who just find themselves always going for the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: wrong guy. For oh Man, for me, I put in
• 27:42
  Speaker 1: years of the work on that because that's true. I
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: would always go for the guy. I don't know if
• 27:47
  Speaker 1: it's like some deeper from your but I would always
• 27:50
  Speaker 1: know for the wrong guys, the guys that weren't insssted
• 27:52
  Speaker 1: in me, the guys that didn't care, the guys were
• 27:54
  Speaker 1: just noncommiddle, afraid of everything, and it was just it
• 28:00
  Speaker 1: was hard. It was a hard pattern for me to
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: break because it was just a subconscious thing. I'd always
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: go for those guys, and I finally after this last one,
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: was like, I'm so sick of it. I'm literally going
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: to just take care of myself and do what I
• 28:13
  Speaker 1: need to do for myself and cultivate stuff in my
• 28:16
  Speaker 1: life that helps me grow, that helps me become a
• 28:19
  Speaker 1: stronger woman. And um, while doing that, UM, I did
• 28:24
  Speaker 1: become just that stronger woman. And it took a lot
• 28:27
  Speaker 1: of time, and it took a lot of work because
• 28:29
  Speaker 1: I wasn't always that, and I think people could see that.
• 28:31
  Speaker 1: In the beginning of when I first got on Baschtlor,
• 28:33
  Speaker 1: it was very like whatever you want, I just you know,
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: hopeless romantic but now it's it's it's about to me
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: setting standards and setting what you want, not settling for
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: anything less. Because there's a lot of crappy ones out there,
• 28:47
  Speaker 1: but there's the like the needle in the haystack that
• 28:49
  Speaker 1: make it all worth it and not sudden. You will
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: get that amazing man when the time is great, you know.
• 28:56
  Speaker 1: So ah, I love that. Okay. My last question for
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: you guys is probably one you've gotten a zillion times
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: this week, and that is what is the moving arrangements?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: One of the moving arrangements. We already talked about it
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: a bit. I mean, Claire um for sure, like she
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: hates no. So this is one thing. I just hate
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: being cold. Like I hate being cold too. It's just
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: like I can't do it. My body rejects the cold
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: in a way that most bodies don't. I feel like
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: this is a very similar conversation. So but no, I
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: at first I gotta see a Sacramento, which I'm going
• 29:41
  Speaker 1: to do in two weeks. I'm going to come into
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: your in Sacramento and we're gonna spend time together. So yeah,
• 29:48
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna see the city. And if I fall in love,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: which is probably what's going to happen. It would be
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: a good indication for for the future. So definitely, like
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: we're we don't want to skip steps for now, but
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: definitely we have like to maybe like always have a
• 30:08
  Speaker 1: look for for a long term also song. But right now, yeah,
• 30:12
  Speaker 1: focusing on uh first step, which is like getting to
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: know Sacramento, spending time together, um, meet our family or
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: side family. There's a lot of things that that had
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: to be said. And yeah, I've been speaking to you
• 30:31
  Speaker 1: Ben while at the at the table, and uh, you
• 30:35
  Speaker 1: did mention that you hadn't really told a lot of
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: your family. Back for taking my question, I was gonna
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: ask the same thing. Your parents didn't know when you
• 30:41
  Speaker 1: dropped a knee. Every everybody like trust me, guys, we
• 30:45
  Speaker 1: played that super well, like nobody knew and it was
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: it was perfect because it was only between me and her.
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: There wasn't like any anyone else that involved any spoilers
• 30:55
  Speaker 1: any um. So I kind of like that, but right
• 30:59
  Speaker 1: now I think that do because everybody is going to
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: have their opinions, not always the greatest opinions, but the
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: good thing is being able to isolate just ourselves and
• 31:08
  Speaker 1: that we didn't have to worry about anybody else's opinions.
• 31:10
  Speaker 1: It's irrelevant when you're in my shoes or his shoes.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: It's like having to just just be ourselves and to
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: only worry about when each other thinks. It's kind of
• 31:18
  Speaker 1: nice to start it off that way. I keep coming
• 31:20
  Speaker 1: up with more questions for you guys, Um, Claire, your
• 31:23
  Speaker 1: zillion sisters. How excited are they? Oh my god, there's
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: somebody got it on video. And my sister was like,
• 31:31
  Speaker 1: oh way, Um, they're blown away because I'm I'm the
• 31:37
  Speaker 1: baby at the baby and the family. So there's it's
• 31:40
  Speaker 1: I think it's a double edged sword because I think
• 31:44
  Speaker 1: in there too, I'm kind of sitting here going come on, guys,
• 31:46
  Speaker 1: it's amazing, and they're going, your baby's sister Like, wait
• 31:50
  Speaker 1: a minute, then why did you get any did you
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: get any permission from Claire side? We we we talked
• 31:58
  Speaker 1: a bit with us, some members of her family, but
• 32:00
  Speaker 1: like there's so many women in there. They all they
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: kind of looked the same also, so I tried to
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: figure that out. Definitely, like it's not like that was
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: I was totally unknown for them, but definitely like we
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: have to um, maybe like yeah, just talk on their
• 32:19
  Speaker 1: regular basis and just get to know uh all of them. Yeah,
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: and a lot and last question, this one for real,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: the Sparkler, the Neil Lane. How gorgeous is that ring?
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: I'm not looking at its real? When did you break
• 32:39
  Speaker 1: it out? Ben Wa? Actually it was the day before,
• 32:44
  Speaker 1: which is crazy, like, uh, we were doing this filming
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: on Friday and on Thursday I got that. Yeah, I
• 32:51
  Speaker 1: was talking to Megan. We already planned this a bit,
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: but I made my decision the day before, so she uh,
• 32:58
  Speaker 1: we kind of like see a bunch of rings and
• 33:01
  Speaker 1: none of them were really what I wanted. Um, and
• 33:05
  Speaker 1: I already spent her like before that a picture of
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: the ring that I would really want with some certain notification,
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: and it didn't have this that one, so in I
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: think less than for a twenty four hour, he made
• 33:18
  Speaker 1: a custom one on the spot for her already that
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: one in the back and I don't know in the
• 33:26
  Speaker 1: back door, but yeah, he popped that out of So
• 33:31
  Speaker 1: you got a custom Neil Lane ring without twenty four hours.
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: That's amazing. That's so yeah. No, VIC Bachelor life four
• 33:40
  Speaker 1: times a charm. We are so excited and happy for
• 33:43
  Speaker 1: you guys. Thank you so much for being here and
• 33:45
  Speaker 1: being our first, being your first interview as a public
• 33:49
  Speaker 1: engaged couple. Way, I love you, guys, love to so much.
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• 35:45
  Speaker 1: every season. I feel like I need to be the
• 35:46
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• 35:50
  Speaker 1: I feel like the show didn't do it justice. I
• 35:52
  Speaker 1: feel like it was like, no, I'm serious, I feel
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: like um. When we left for mont I was very excited.
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: We had a long car ride to the Boston airport
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: and it was the first time completely being free from
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: it all and Um, I just was very excited, excited
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: to see where this goes, and we were both excited
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: for the show to come. But now we're kind of
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: happy it's over. To what's been the easiest thing about
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: being together off camera and what's been the hardest. The
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: hardest part is always distance and time change. It's just
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that thing of UM. I like to wake up early,
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: she likes to stay up late, so you throw a
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: three hour time change in and that's a tough thing
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: to do, UM. And then just planning our next time
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: to see each other, Like that's the difficult part. Um.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: The positive part is the excitement of that as well.
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: Like we met in Boston to see a playoff football game,
• 36:37
  Speaker 1: something I would never do, UM, but she had to
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: take me. I have no idea why you wouldn't do that.
• 36:41
  Speaker 1: I was like, what do you mean, of course, let's
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, it was just there was no question
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: for UM. So the excitement of it too, like I
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: want to Like, We're gonna do a hockey game this weekend.
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: She's never been to a hockey game. I've been to
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: a hockey game, but not in l a hockey game.
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: I have not been to the stable center for hockey. Yes,
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: So I mean it's fun to just kind of feed
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: off each other and what what we like and yeah,
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: and actually, what about what's been the easiest heart and heart?
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: I think that that is too. I think like those
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: conversations about distance are always like the ones that I'm like,
• 37:07
  Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about, you know, like
• 37:08
  Speaker 1: those are where we get a little bit more like feisty. Um.
• 37:12
  Speaker 1: But those are usually those are the only arguments we've
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: ever had. Um. So it's just the distance and UM.
• 37:19
  Speaker 1: But I think it's been pretty easy. We've gotten to
• 37:21
  Speaker 1: see a lot of each other lately, and I'm doing
• 37:23
  Speaker 1: my best just to relax on that topic. What's the struggle.
• 37:26
  Speaker 1: The struggle is I'm a little bit older, and I've
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: done a long distance relationship with a fiance before and
• 37:31
  Speaker 1: it didn't work out, and distance was kind of the
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: first thing that started that breakup. So I'm trying to
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: live more in the gray area and be a little
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: more romantic and just see where it goes on Ashley's
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: level rather than that black and white like what are
• 37:42
  Speaker 1: we doing right? Um, give it time, give it a
• 37:46
  Speaker 1: year before you worry about it. That's what I think
• 37:48
  Speaker 1: helps is if you give it a year and you
• 37:50
  Speaker 1: say we're not going to worry about it for a year.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: I think that a year is a little long for him,
• 37:55
  Speaker 1: But I have been trying to give him a timeline
• 37:57
  Speaker 1: where it's like, please don't stop start making that a
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: real issue until this decide for yourself, six months, whatever
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: you decide, and then that's that, and then you don't
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: keep harping on it. Yeah, I don't want to harp
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: on it. I haven't brought it up in a long time. Yeah,
• 38:09
  Speaker 1: He's been great. And we're also very flexible, like work lives,
• 38:15
  Speaker 1: so it's easy for us to jump on a plane
• 38:16
  Speaker 1: and meet each other somewhere, and that's what makes it
• 38:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit easier and exciting. We're not both nine
• 38:20
  Speaker 1: to fives that have to be in our hometowns for
• 38:21
  Speaker 1: the whole week. We can meet up. I want to
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: talk about the two scenes that weren't in the episodes
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: that I think a lot of people were thinking that
• 38:29
  Speaker 1: there was a part of our relationship missing because what
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: you did was come to me in that little sitting
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: room and you said, I think I'm going to end
• 38:35
  Speaker 1: things with baby, and I want to start things with you,
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: like the Ashley chapter, which is so cute, But then
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: people didn't see any in between. They just saw us
• 38:46
  Speaker 1: going straight into making out at a Row Ceremony cocktail party. Yeah,
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: I think. I think the conversation I had with you, um,
• 38:51
  Speaker 1: like I said, I'm going to go talk to Bibby.
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: Bibby and I had one of those super boring friendly
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: talks of just like okay, that makes sense. There was
• 38:57
  Speaker 1: just no there was nothing. There's no good TV content
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: in that conversation. So I feel like they skipped over it,
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: which was okay. But our conversation that we had after that,
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: like our first kiss, that was the one that we
• 39:07
  Speaker 1: didn't see that. I was unfortunate. It was unfortunate cause
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: we talked for an hour on the couch and we
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: talked about everything. Yeah, um, and we had our first
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: kiss there. But yeah, it sucks you guys because um
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: what happened. We'll give you the short spark notes version
• 39:22
  Speaker 1: of this. Um he got back from his date with Bibby.
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: I think neither of them were enamored. And then Baby
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: came to me and she was like, who are you into? Um?
• 39:31
  Speaker 1: And I was like, honestly awkward. But the only person
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: I'd be into is Kevin, and I don't want to
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: step on your toes there. And she was like, oh no,
• 39:37
  Speaker 1: you should go talk to him. And I feel like
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: he kind of felt the exact same way, like he
• 39:41
  Speaker 1: wanted me to come talk to him. So we had
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: like a nice two hour conversation and then I went
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: into that cocktail party being like, I think he's like
• 39:48
  Speaker 1: pretty torn between us. You say that you would have
• 39:51
  Speaker 1: actually given me the rose, had the guys had the
• 39:53
  Speaker 1: power that week now, like I addressed on the live
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: show and they never showed it as well. But um,
• 39:57
  Speaker 1: you get that first date card and you have to
• 39:59
  Speaker 1: pick somebody within an hour, and you're like, and you were,
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: you were someone I did want to go on. And
• 40:03
  Speaker 1: I did tell her you've been spending all the time
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: in baby, you better take her tonight. Yeah. I encourage
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: him to go out with her because that was the
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: right thing to do, because he needed to like see
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: that through to make a decision. What about talking about
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: the coolness of Bibiana first, saying you'd go talk to
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: him because most girls would not do that so cool
• 40:20
  Speaker 1: and Jordan hadn't even got there yet. Had Jordan not
• 40:23
  Speaker 1: gotten there yet. No, No, it was more just I
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: think halfway through our one on one date, like we
• 40:28
  Speaker 1: joked about it recently, where we just both knew this
• 40:30
  Speaker 1: was a friend thing, so why why played out right?
• 40:33
  Speaker 1: And then the other conversation you didn't see, I guess
• 40:37
  Speaker 1: was yeah, our first kids conversation, but which was the
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: day after he ended things with baby. Well, guys, so
• 40:43
  Speaker 1: that's our story. And then it was it was smooth
• 40:45
  Speaker 1: sailing ever since. And you made me feel so confident
• 40:48
  Speaker 1: and comfortable what we had that I never had to.
• 40:51
  Speaker 1: I wasn't like crazy anxious, Ashley, because you were like, no,
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: we're going to end this together. I had so much
• 40:56
  Speaker 1: fun on this show just because you so nice. Kevin
• 40:59
  Speaker 1: is experiencing the opposite of what Luke is experiencing, because
• 41:04
  Speaker 1: all of America was like, he's Kevin's amazing and look
• 41:07
  Speaker 1: what he said to Ashley and blah blah blah, and
• 41:09
  Speaker 1: then oh they are not doing the same thing to Luke. Okay,
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: So Luke and Stossi seemed to have just a Nicholas
• 41:17
  Speaker 1: Sparks romance during that series, like on not on the
• 41:21
  Speaker 1: live show, but I couldn't believe how romantic he was
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: with her and the live show yesterday, he basically admitted
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: that was a showmance. Um. I know that you guys
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: have different perspectives on this. I know Kevin has gotten
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: really close to Luke. Um. I definitely am not defending
• 41:39
  Speaker 1: Luke and his decisions here at all. Um, despite our friendship,
• 41:43
  Speaker 1: he definitely needed to make it clear to Stacy how
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: he how he was ending things, and he definitely should
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: have kept in touch with her. Um, Kevin, I know
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: you have a lot to say about this. No, No,
• 41:56
  Speaker 1: I'm just trying to stay impartial because they're both my
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: friends and it's really easy to try trash the one
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: who made a mistake. But Luke was the first one
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: to tell me the other day or the day after
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: we filmed the live show that he made a huge mistake.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: Like it's not like he's just some big No, he's not.
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: He's a great guy. He's a great guy. I think
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: he freaked and did not know how to handle it.
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: He knows he stuffed up. So the one thing I
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: will address about um Stacy and what she said to
• 42:20
  Speaker 1: Luke on the live show was there was a conversation
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: head between them. See after we were done filming we
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: had about three days in a hotel where they have
• 42:27
  Speaker 1: to finish some interviews and stuff, and we don't go
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: home right away, so we're off camera and we're all
• 42:31
  Speaker 1: just hanging out in the hotel. And we had a
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: dinner on our last night in Vermont, and Stacy was
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: very upset and it was noticeable to the whole table.
• 42:38
  Speaker 1: We all knew that something happened between the two. And
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: on that afternoon and Luke and I were taking a
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: couple of photos, like exchanging our jerseys out in the lobby,
• 42:44
  Speaker 1: and I said, why is she so upset? And he said, Um,
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I had a conversation with her. I just don't see
• 42:48
  Speaker 1: this going far because of the distance. He's like, I
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: don't I like her, but like I'm just trying to
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: be realistic, and he's my age, like we're thirty four.
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: It's like you have to kind of know your path. Um.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: And she came in noticeably upset, and me and her
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: became very close by this point, and I asked her
• 43:01
  Speaker 1: what's wrong, and in her like broken English, she said
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: to me, I think I'll never see him again. And
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: they did have a talk before, so I don't know
• 43:08
  Speaker 1: what exactly was said. And I'm not like Luke made
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: a lot of mistakes and this thing. He even said
• 43:12
  Speaker 1: he should have reached out to her. There's a bunch
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: of he didn't even follow her on Instagram, So there
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: was a few things that he was very regretful for,
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: but he there wasn't just no talk after saying like
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: ice dancing and then go home. And this was the
• 43:22
  Speaker 1: first time they spoke. There was conversations between the finale
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: that you guys all saw and the live show. You guys,
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: does anyone know why he did not say that on
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: the live show because that would have cleared up everything
• 43:35
  Speaker 1: because all he needed to say was we had that
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: conversation in the hotel. Don't you know that? Or or
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: how did you live in another country? Because to me, fine,
• 43:45
  Speaker 1: you know what? Like that. But that's not the argument.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: The argument is he should have treated her more as
• 43:50
  Speaker 1: a friend getting off the show. Even if they different
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: necessarily agree with that because breakups are hard. So if
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: he had feelings for her and then he's come to
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: the realization that like she lives in another country, he
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: doesn't have to be friends with her or follow her
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: on Instagram or talk to her. But what he should
• 44:08
  Speaker 1: have said, was I flipped out, you live but jillion
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: miles away and I can't do it no matter how
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: much I like you, And that would have been fine
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: with me, But it seems like they had the time
• 44:20
  Speaker 1: to have that conversation earlier on she said she would
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: move to America for him, but then he just didn't
• 44:26
  Speaker 1: really address it. It was just kind of like, because
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: any dude who's wavering freaking out a little bit and
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: you guys explain what you think, doesn't want her to
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: move here. He's like, I've known you for two weeks. Yes,
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: I had feelings for you in the show. Now it's
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: real life, and I'm not ready for you to move
• 44:41
  Speaker 1: here too much. I think that was the miscommunication, was
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: that Stacey was so convinced that he was genuinely falling
• 44:49
  Speaker 1: in love with her, and she genuinely fell in love.
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: But seeing what I saw in that show, I would
• 44:54
  Speaker 1: have thought the same thing, exactly right. And all the
• 44:56
  Speaker 1: things he was saying to her was everything I think
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: a partner or someone in this situation wants to hear
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: you know like that. If not, if not, we have
• 45:04
  Speaker 1: a short period of time to get to know one another.
• 45:06
  Speaker 1: And he poured his heart out, and I think she
• 45:09
  Speaker 1: fell for an hook line and sinker, and unfortunately, obviously
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: he didn't should have fallen if anyone would. And I
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: am not defending him or taking her side. I'm not
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: taking anyone's side. But when you guys are in that show,
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: in that bubble, you're on an island or I equated
• 45:25
  Speaker 1: to like, you're in prison, prison island, whatever people choose.
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: He meant everything and she meant everything, and they're falling
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: in love and then the gates open and you're like,
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: I'm out of prison. Wait a second, I have to
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: disagree with you there. Yeah, I definitely disagree because Lillian
• 45:47
  Speaker 1: I our relationship started and it's it's never changed on
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: camera off camera. We've never acted any differently to one another.
• 45:54
  Speaker 1: We went in there hundred and ten percent ourselves. That's
• 45:57
  Speaker 1: why we clicked. That's why our relationship was so strong
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: from the big, very beginning, and it's why our relationship
• 46:02
  Speaker 1: still stands today and grow stronger every day the more
• 46:05
  Speaker 1: time we spend together. And it's why we've both moved
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: to America to make this work. You know, I do
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: live in different countries, but we've decided to move to
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: one country to see how this goes, because we know
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: it's real, because we were real in the show, and
• 46:18
  Speaker 1: in this equation, I put myself in staff issues. I
• 46:20
  Speaker 1: think if Courtney said, if Courtney was how he was
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: to me, and then suddenly at a dinner he was like,
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: you live in New Zealand, I live in Australia, I'd
• 46:28
  Speaker 1: be like you mother. You know. I get where she
• 46:32
  Speaker 1: comes from, and I get the anger and I get
• 46:34
  Speaker 1: the passion just because I'm a woman myself and I
• 46:36
  Speaker 1: did fall for a man on the show as well,
• 46:38
  Speaker 1: so I put myself in her shoes. And it would
• 46:40
  Speaker 1: be a very very difficult position to make yourself vulnerable
• 46:44
  Speaker 1: and then be shut down. So yeah, I cut you up.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: I get I totally get it. I'm just trying to
• 46:52
  Speaker 1: sort of dig in to this guy that we all know.
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: I just want to clear up that I have spoken
• 46:57
  Speaker 1: with him. He has a lot of regret. Rat like,
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: it's not like he's after show being like, oh, f hurt.
• 47:02
  Speaker 1: She screwed me, he said, Dude, I should have reached
• 47:04
  Speaker 1: out to her. I should have told her that she
• 47:06
  Speaker 1: was important to me. I just knew with that it
• 47:08
  Speaker 1: wasn't going to go anywhere, and I should have been
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: more clear. He was very regretful and he feels bad.
• 47:12
  Speaker 1: He wasn't even defending himself. He was like, I just
• 47:14
  Speaker 1: feel bad. So he's a genuinely good guy. I know,
• 47:16
  Speaker 1: you guys know him like he's he's going to be
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: one of my friends for a lot of years. And
• 47:19
  Speaker 1: I'm not taking his side. He did mess up, but
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: he's he's he's sorry, and people are allowed to mess
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: up and there's still good people. I'm all for making
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: a mistake. Like Jordan, for example, he really screwed up
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: that we I said, I'll listen to him, like, give him.
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: He's a genuine guy. Would you know that, Grace, Yes,
• 47:41
  Speaker 1: that's just life. But Dane did it the other season
• 47:44
  Speaker 1: and he got massive lashes. Well that's what's so interesting.
• 47:47
  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you bring that up because this was
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: Dean this summer. People aided him and it was like,
• 47:56
  Speaker 1: did he mean to mess up? No? Did he kind
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: of just like muddle through and try and figure it out. Yes,
• 48:02
  Speaker 1: And I think hindsight now Luke's going like, oh, I
• 48:06
  Speaker 1: could have done this so much more respectfully. And the
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: problem with that is that is publicized, this is televised
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: it's it's filmed, everything's recorded, and the whole world he's listening.
• 48:18
  Speaker 1: So any little mistake you make everyone, if I'm taking
• 48:20
  Speaker 1: a side, I'm probably taking Stacy side, because this poor
• 48:22
  Speaker 1: girl just got hosed. But at the same time, oh
• 48:26
  Speaker 1: my god, our people mean the internet, Like if I
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: were Luke, I wouldn't even turn on my phone so painful.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: And he has turned off comments, and we definitely want
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: him to come on the podcast and talk about this one.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: He's ready. We are trying to get Stacy on the
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: line to tell a little bit about her side of
• 48:42
  Speaker 1: the story. She, you know, is in Sweden, so she
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: may not connect well and also may not answer Stasi. Hey, guys,
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: did you say the maseratis here the online? That's because
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: see is as fine and fierce as a maserati. All right, Um,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: you are getting a lot of attention today, my lady. UM,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: I would love to get more cheap since next start
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: on a light note. Um, there was a day in
• 49:16
  Speaker 1: the house that Stacy was just craving chips and salsa
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: so so much, and all she kept saying is I
• 49:23
  Speaker 1: just want cheaps and snacks, save chips and snacks and
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: neck And she just kept saying it like every teen minutes.
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: It just went cheaps and snacks. And then our executive producer,
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: who's the most wonderful man in the world, Bennett, he
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: was watching from the control room and he was so
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: sick of hearing her say this over and over again
• 49:47
  Speaker 1: that he walked from the other house warns them. I
• 49:49
  Speaker 1: warned them to bring more food for stuff. I said, like,
• 49:52
  Speaker 1: if you want to start to be kind, just bring
• 49:54
  Speaker 1: more food. And for three days it was cheap. What
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: do you think you're dealing serious? She can pack on
• 50:03
  Speaker 1: the grocery list. And so Bennett from the other house
• 50:06
  Speaker 1: trucks over in a snowstorm, thros chips at the counter
• 50:11
  Speaker 1: and he goes, here's Stacy, and then trucks back. It
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: was just it was one of those moments you kind
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: of had to be there for, but it was hysterical. Alright,
• 50:19
  Speaker 1: says we need to get to the nitty gritty. Unfortunately, UM,
• 50:21
  Speaker 1: I want to talk about your conversation that you had
• 50:24
  Speaker 1: with Luke in the hotel after the camera stopped rolling,
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: and how you interpreted that conversation and how he interpreted
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: that conversation, because I think he thought you broke up
• 50:33
  Speaker 1: and you did not. But Jesus, you know we've been
• 50:37
  Speaker 1: talking to you. I've been talking to See, to court,
• 50:40
  Speaker 1: me to leave this. I'm like I've been talking to
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: almost I think, to everyone, and I've been saying from
• 50:45
  Speaker 1: the very first week, for the very first days, that
• 50:48
  Speaker 1: we had not been like spoken to him at all.
• 50:51
  Speaker 1: You knew it, you know it's like me for me,
• 50:52
  Speaker 1: it's no sense to lie. And alright, guys, well it
• 50:56
  Speaker 1: sucks that it seems that our connection with Stacy isn't
• 50:59
  Speaker 1: very strong. Let's continue with what she was saying. I
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: think the mystery here lies in the miscommunication that they
• 51:08
  Speaker 1: must have had during that hotel conversation. I think this whole,
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: this whole experiment was, Yeah, there's a lot of miscommunication
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: between lots of people, and like a language barrier must
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: be a language barriers. Didn't think that. I didn't think
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: the language barrier was going to be such me in
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: people's relationship, but it is. I thought that they were
• 51:28
  Speaker 1: totally communicating. But I do think, um, what must have happened,
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: just from like our puzzle pieces that we have, is
• 51:35
  Speaker 1: that Luke probably sugarcoated the conversation with Stacy and she
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: probably didn't take it as seriously as he would have
• 51:42
  Speaker 1: liked for her to have. That seems very accurate. Yeah,
• 51:45
  Speaker 1: I think I must have had a conversation where he's
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: said a few things that in his mind he's gone, well,
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: that's pretty much it. That's that's the end, that's the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: cut off. And then she's gone, well, you know, we
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: talked about booking flights and the distance thing and whatever.
• 51:58
  Speaker 1: And then maybe he's throw and in a few little
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: things that suggest that maybe this relationship might not last.
• 52:03
  Speaker 1: But I didn't actually realize that that was the cut
• 52:06
  Speaker 1: off point. And then he's gone cold. And I have
• 52:08
  Speaker 1: to say that I have had relationships with Americans and
• 52:12
  Speaker 1: they try to like cut me off with a nice sugarcoating,
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: and I'm like, okay, you still left room for hope,
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: so I'm going to hang onto that. So if that's
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: how I've been, I can only imagine. And that's a
• 52:24
  Speaker 1: girl guy thing. That is a girl guy I think
• 52:26
  Speaker 1: as a woman, you just want to be ruined. I'm like,
• 52:28
  Speaker 1: tough enough, tell me you don't like you. It's like,
• 52:33
  Speaker 1: come on, we have no hope. I feel like I
• 52:35
  Speaker 1: feel like we have hope from what I've gathered. I
• 52:38
  Speaker 1: feel like there's always hope. I feel like that is
• 52:46
  Speaker 1: that Vanilla. I feel like I feel like you take
• 52:50
  Speaker 1: away the language barrier and the distance and everything, and
• 52:53
  Speaker 1: what Luke did in the hotel after filming, I feel
• 52:55
  Speaker 1: like was ripping the band aid off, and anyone from
• 52:58
  Speaker 1: America would have known it was over. That's actually my opinion.
• 53:01
  Speaker 1: I think this was the one case where she went
• 53:04
  Speaker 1: home thinking like I think he did say enough there,
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: because she came down very upset. She cried to me saying,
• 53:09
  Speaker 1: I think I'll never see him again. We didn't know
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: we were doing a live show at this point, so
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: she had no reason to ever come back to America
• 53:15
  Speaker 1: unless it was to see him. Um, And I feel
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: just knowing Luke now, I feel like he would have.
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: He was very like, I gotta talk to her tonight.
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know where this is going, but
• 53:23
  Speaker 1: I know it's not going to be I'm not moving
• 53:25
  Speaker 1: to Sweden. It's basically how he said it, and I
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: just think he should have said that on the live
• 53:28
  Speaker 1: show and people would have. So I went for a
• 53:31
  Speaker 1: run with him through Universal that morning, UH, and we
• 53:33
  Speaker 1: talked about the live show. He's his exact words. Yeah,
• 53:35
  Speaker 1: I'm excited to see Stas. It would be great to
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: see her again. Like he had no idea that she
• 53:39
  Speaker 1: was coming in hot Did he think something hanky was
• 53:41
  Speaker 1: going on when he was not in the chairs with you, guys,
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: not because I wasn't in the chairs. Weren't in Diana
• 53:48
  Speaker 1: and Leslie weren't in the chairs in the panel of chairs.
• 53:52
  Speaker 1: We weren't there until after the couples who were serious
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: couples other than Lily and Courtney. We're all backstage. That's
• 53:59
  Speaker 1: why Kevin and I new and see what went down
• 54:01
  Speaker 1: between Luke and Saucy until yesterday. Yeah. Well, anyway, guys,
• 54:05
  Speaker 1: I think that's all up for debate. And if we
• 54:07
  Speaker 1: get a better connection with Stasi in the future, which
• 54:09
  Speaker 1: I hope we do through FaceTime, audio or something, we'd
• 54:11
  Speaker 1: love to have her on on a future almost on
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: his podcast and Luke too, And hey, if they both
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: want to come on together and that deeper conversation here,
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: that would be great for us. What what I'm curious
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: about from everyone listening is, I mean, I have a
• 54:25
  Speaker 1: hundred emails in my email all bad about Luke right now.
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: I want to know if anybody after listening to you
• 54:34
  Speaker 1: guys explain is changing their opinion a little bit? That
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: would be interesting. I think it's good for people to
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: listen to our opinion because we were there, people weren't there,
• 54:44
  Speaker 1: so it's really easy for them to jump to a conclusion.
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: And I just want everyone to know that it's he's
• 54:49
  Speaker 1: not defending himself. He actually feels terrible that he never
• 54:52
  Speaker 1: reached out, like I want people to understand that. Like everyone,
• 54:54
  Speaker 1: everyone come on and say that for him, and I'm
• 54:58
  Speaker 1: sure he will. He's not not afraid that he would
• 55:01
  Speaker 1: talk about this. I think he was just overwhelmed with
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: her coming in so hot. He thought he was excited
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: to see her and we're gonna go out after him,
• 55:08
  Speaker 1: we're gonna have dinner together. So he just thought it
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: was like a reunion for him to see her. Um,
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: and I know he feels terrible now looking back. Common
• 55:14
  Speaker 1: thing and all these emails keeps saying, I'm so confused.
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: I'm confused. So I'm sifting through these emails right now,
• 55:20
  Speaker 1: and I do want to go through at least two
• 55:22
  Speaker 1: before we said goodbye. All right, we just got great
• 55:26
  Speaker 1: news in it seems like Stacy, who is currently on
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: the train, we'll have a better connection within the next
• 55:31
  Speaker 1: couple of minutes. So we're going to try her back
• 55:32
  Speaker 1: and see if she really can explain further um the
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: conversation they had in the hotel room. But until then,
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: we're going to go through some emails. This one's from
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: Jennie and she says, Hi, guys, if you love a
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: Bachelor franchise. This is from Jeannie. She says, Hi, guys,
• 55:50
  Speaker 1: if you love the Bachelor franchise, listening to your podcast
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: as a must. Thanks for keeping me smiling. Thank you
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: so much, Jeannie. My question is why didn't any American
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: eighties seemed to pursue Courtney in episode one? Happen very sweet?
• 56:06
  Speaker 1: What happened is you know what, Courtney, I've gotten a
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: lot of texts for my friends about you, like seeing
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: if you're still single, because yeah, the American girls that
• 56:19
  Speaker 1: I know really like you. Um, you guys know the
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: words to the national anthem for the Bachelor. You guys
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: know probably better than Kevin and I did. We did
• 56:27
  Speaker 1: it on E the other days. I feel like Courtney
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: would know the whole thing. Yeah, you know, when I
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: heard the Bachelor Winter Games anthem, I thought, wow, I
• 56:40
  Speaker 1: don't know if I should be here, and then fast
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: forward ten days, which is the amount of time we
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: shot for um, I thought, I am proud to be
• 56:49
  Speaker 1: associated with this winter anthem. It was even when we
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: were watching it last night, we all got off in
• 56:54
  Speaker 1: the living room and put her hand on it when
• 56:56
  Speaker 1: I said, left hand, left hand? Did you fall in
• 56:59
  Speaker 1: love right from the star? Is that why no other
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: girls picked up on you? Yeah? I mean, look, I
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: can't speak for the other girls who didn't come and
• 57:06
  Speaker 1: approach me, but I feel like that Lily and I
• 57:09
  Speaker 1: did have a pretty solid connection from the get go,
• 57:13
  Speaker 1: and I think that we kind of removed ourselves from
• 57:16
  Speaker 1: the market almost on day one. Yeah, and although we
• 57:21
  Speaker 1: never actually won a competition and got a single date,
• 57:23
  Speaker 1: we did do our own little d I Y dates
• 57:25
  Speaker 1: around the house, and so we constantly were sort of
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: outside in the freezing cold just to be alone. So
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: we again, we sort of removed ourselves from the from
• 57:33
  Speaker 1: the situation, I think a lot of people knew from
• 57:35
  Speaker 1: the very beginning that you know, those two are doing something,
• 57:38
  Speaker 1: Let's leave them alone. Yeah, totally. Yeah. Her last question
• 57:42
  Speaker 1: is was it as cheesy to shoot as it was
• 57:44
  Speaker 1: to watch? Yes? And I think we loved that. We
• 57:47
  Speaker 1: knew how self aware of the show was. We knew
• 57:49
  Speaker 1: how they were going to edit the sports to look
• 57:51
  Speaker 1: like it was an actual Olympic game. We knew that
• 57:54
  Speaker 1: they were going to like add hilarious music, and Hannah
• 57:58
  Speaker 1: Storm and Chris Harrison were going to really take themselves
• 58:01
  Speaker 1: seriously in a really funny way. They're like, we're gonna
• 58:04
  Speaker 1: pretend to be really serious about this, but it's all
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: a huge joke. So I was really serious. You were
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: really serious? Yes, I was like, Okay, calm down. How
• 58:16
  Speaker 1: devastated were you, Kevin? At the speed skating obviously your
• 58:20
  Speaker 1: strongest event. You knew you were going to win from
• 58:22
  Speaker 1: the get go when the event was announced. How devastated
• 58:25
  Speaker 1: were you when they said, and for the final, we're
• 58:27
  Speaker 1: going to bring the two slowest people from each Hayden
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: I was. I was upset, But then I knew how
• 58:32
  Speaker 1: slow Ashley was. I knew she would be in that
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: final heat, So so I did tell him before that
• 58:39
  Speaker 1: I go. I thought that he was going to feel
• 58:41
  Speaker 1: guilty if he won his second straight competition, so I said,
• 58:45
  Speaker 1: can you please try your best? Because I wanted to
• 58:47
  Speaker 1: go on a date with him that night. But then
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: they flipped the rules on us and they're like, the
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: losers are gonna go for it. So anyway, damn you Dean.
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: All right, another we another email from our Yeah for
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: us off, big fan of the pod and yours in general. Actually,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: I feel like we could be real life Bessie's, except
• 59:06
  Speaker 1: you're so much prettier than I'm You're ridiculous, Um, but
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: thank you. Also, I love everything that Amy has to say.
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: Please keep talking please. Secondly, I loved Bachelor Winner Games.
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was a different format or that everybody was
• 59:19
  Speaker 1: just genuinely there to find connections, but it felt like
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: the entire house came together and really bonded. That was
• 59:25
  Speaker 1: so nice. Is like there was never a villain, Like
• 59:27
  Speaker 1: we just got along so well, there was never any
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: tension between people. Um, so many questions she has How
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: long was filming? So it was ten days? Like I
• 59:35
  Speaker 1: just said, Um, Ashley, who was your second favorite couple
• 59:38
  Speaker 1: of the house besides you and Kevin? Super happy for you,
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: by the way, our favorite. I mean you guys, I
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: can't answer that. I mean, we can't answer. And if
• 59:48
  Speaker 1: you got out the favorites announce it, you know, I'm
• 59:50
  Speaker 1: not I mean I will still that. I mean, you know,
• 59:52
  Speaker 1: my room my other two favorite couple. My other favorite
• 59:56
  Speaker 1: couple was obviously Dean and Leslie, and they're not here,
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: but those two couples are great. It was very Um,
• 1:00:06
  Speaker 1: what is your and Kevin current relationships as boyfriend and
• 1:00:10
  Speaker 1: girlfriend is official? The official official side. Yes, has been
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: going to be the next Bachelor. Part of me hope
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: so because he's so darn entertaining, but I also want
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: him to heal himself and if it does, what do
• 1:00:23
  Speaker 1: you think will happened to the podcast? That is so
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 1: funny because I think that a lot of people interpreted
• 1:00:29
  Speaker 1: his exit as the perfect exit to make him Bachelor again.
• 1:00:35
  Speaker 1: Um would they do that? They know that they wanted
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 1: him to be Bachelor again this year before we have
• 1:00:44
  Speaker 1: done it before Brad Walmack had two seasons and he
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 1: never he was never reflected in a positive light coming
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: off his first season, which was interesting that it shows
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 1: to do a second season with him, but with Ben,
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: I think they would love to. He turned down the
• 1:00:58
  Speaker 1: offer this year, but I do think that that Bachelor
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 1: Winner Games exit is something that that cannot be his
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 1: finale in this more watching that he does constantly refer
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 1: to the fact that the franchise in the situation works
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 1: for him, and you can see how it does because
• 1:01:14
  Speaker 1: he wears his heart on his sleeve. He's the most open, vulnerable, loving,
• 1:01:18
  Speaker 1: his best dude, one of the best guys I've ever met. Um,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 1: and he would make a bloody good Bachelor once again. Yeah.
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 1: I don't think that that would happen this September, um,
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: but I could see him maybe the following September. I
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: think that this has proven that he's not ready to
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: jump into that specific environment dating off camera. He's getting there,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: but he but not on camera again. Um. And then
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: what if what will happen to the podcast? Any Oh,
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: the podcast will not go anywhere Kevin and Ashley. Do
• 1:01:54
  Speaker 1: you think that they'll do another Winter Games, um or
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: something like this with international people? I would assume room
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: that they are going to have more internationals on Paradise
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: this season. Um. Bachelor Australia Court has already had Americans
• 1:02:08
  Speaker 1: on it and that starts airing next month in the
• 1:02:10
  Speaker 1: Canadian Yeah, I got from my seasons on Paradise Australia. Yeah,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: there's a there's a lot Jared's on there, and then
• 1:02:16
  Speaker 1: so is Daniel McGuire. Yeah, yeah, well I was actually
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: meant to be on Paradise this year or last year,
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: and yeah, yeah, but then but then the whole current controversy,
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: like you were going to roll in. Maybe he was
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 1: in a hotel, you were at the Vedanta. No I wasn't.
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: I was. I was on standby for my flot from
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: Sydney and I was been to fly on the Sunday.
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: And then it got to like midnight Saturday, and I
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: hadn't heard anything, and I was just like, something is
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: not right here. And then one of the producers called
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: me three, I am Australia time, and just something's happened.
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 1: We've canceled the show. We'll explain more later, but we're
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: not flying you never. So yeah. So I think they're
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: starting to explore that international thing and Australia did do it, okay, yeah,
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: and okay, so assume that you'll see a foreigners on para.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: I think the game and I think they'll definitely be
• 1:03:04
  Speaker 1: it on the Winter Games. I think it was more
• 1:03:06
  Speaker 1: successful than they even imagined it could be. Going up
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 1: against the actual Olympic. We won't have the Olympics next
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 1: year and it'll be longer and then the viewership would
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 1: be insane if there's no Olympics going up against it. Yeah.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: I got a lot of tweets saying it was more
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: fun seeing you guys fall on skis than seeing you
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: in bikinis on peaches. So it was a lot of fun. Yeah,
• 1:03:24
  Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. One again, there you are,
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: I can okay. So when we lost you, Courtney was
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: talking about that dinner very briefly. Can you reiterate just
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 1: that final dinner stars uh, And obviously the cameras around,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 1: but um, you did start to tear up, and I
• 1:03:46
  Speaker 1: remember came over and get you a little hug and
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 1: ask you if you're okay and it Lily came over
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 1: soon after. So the question I suppose is if at
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 1: that final dinner you did tear up. I mean, obviously
• 1:03:55
  Speaker 1: there was a conversation that you and Luke had didn't
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 1: go too well, Is that correct? No, The thing is
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 1: the kid was about this like fantasy twitz. And this
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 1: does make me because because I said, like, I was
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 1: never gonna do it, and he knew it from the beginning.
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 1: You know, for me, it's like to take so much
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: time to get closed first and even you know that
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: it's two for me, two weeks, two kids. I had
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: to like keising for the the first time. So that's why
• 1:04:19
  Speaker 1: I always said, like I knew that, like yeah, princpal
• 1:04:22
  Speaker 1: sweet for us, it was a patibus. It's just maybe
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: spent like an hour of talking. He's referring to when
• 1:04:28
  Speaker 1: we were in the hotel after filming and we had
• 1:04:31
  Speaker 1: a final dinner the night before we flew out. I
• 1:04:33
  Speaker 1: remember you were really upset when we we came down
• 1:04:35
  Speaker 1: to the town dinner. Yeah, yeah, like when we went
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: down to East together. Yes, yeah, yeah, but yeah, we
• 1:04:44
  Speaker 1: have talked, but like it wasn't about this. It's just
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 1: like I didn't like how peop were like what he
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: were saying before, Like I don't want to say now
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: for us what he did you say? This was not
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: dedicated to me. Basically, it was more about like production house,
• 1:04:58
  Speaker 1: a buchel of ward like World War you know. And
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: I supposed to him like I'm shocked if I knew
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: he's gonna be like this, I will never even time
• 1:05:04
  Speaker 1: here because like I didn't got here for pay more top.
• 1:05:07
  Speaker 1: So that's why I was so upset. I was like, Jesus,
• 1:05:10
  Speaker 1: is it you horse saying this to me, and I
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: was like set, but he was trying anyway, like to
• 1:05:15
  Speaker 1: get along to me until do you remember she was
• 1:05:18
  Speaker 1: like asking me to get dance with me or dancing
• 1:05:21
  Speaker 1: remember in like a lagnana like ask no, can it
• 1:05:25
  Speaker 1: grow and dance together half of my bucket whatever? So
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: that what makes me SETI Yeah, you're under the impression,
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: you know, like I know just like you know as
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: she has a mom and that it's probably gonna like
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: listen to this now. I don't want to hurt them
• 1:05:42
  Speaker 1: because they do doesn't better, Like I respect his family
• 1:05:45
  Speaker 1: and I still whish is nothing nothing better to him,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 1: just the best, Like I'm sorry to this keype of
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  Speaker 1: stone and I'm said now that she gets so much
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  Speaker 1: negative like energy and comments because I don't want this,
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: like really it was not my plen I I'm shore
• 1:06:01
  Speaker 1: that it turns like this, and I hope he's fine.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 1: So when when you left ver montho you did, you
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: were under the impression that you guys were going to
• 1:06:10
  Speaker 1: see each other soon. Yeah, I was be honest, like really,
• 1:06:13
  Speaker 1: I swear Kevin for the first three weeks, like when
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: I was just thinking like okay, he like a lot
• 1:06:20
  Speaker 1: you at least you will take my number inste like
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 1: a face time or something, because I've been talking to
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 1: all of you, you know, And but he didn't see
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: like this is following me and Instagram. I was like,
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  Speaker 1: it's so childish to say that, Like what a fuck
• 1:06:33
  Speaker 1: is the Instagram? But you know, even he didn't fold
• 1:06:35
  Speaker 1: me there, and I was like, okay, it's that. It's
• 1:06:38
  Speaker 1: really strange because we were talking about like tickets and stuff,
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: and yeah, he was just very different, I guess. And
• 1:06:48
  Speaker 1: we didn't have any contact, but like after a month's
• 1:06:51
  Speaker 1: I sent request on Instagram and he then followed me back.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, that is a huge step in relationship.
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: I guess after this all to a role too so
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 1: and then yeah, like I said, I said, we didn't say,
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  Speaker 1: we never told. I realized that person, and like I
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 1: think got what he was interested and what he wanted
• 1:07:12
  Speaker 1: out of the show that kids was such a gentleman
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 1: on the picture, you know, on the three and I
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 1: don't know what this day. Yeah, one other thing that
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 1: we saw stars and for those of you who didn't
• 1:07:25
  Speaker 1: watch the tell all um, there was a moment where
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 1: Chris Harrison through to an ad break and then the
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 1: cameras actually didn't turn off and they kept rolling. Oh
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 1: my god, you guys had a conversation. Yeah, and like
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 1: I looked such a like a a such a drama
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 1: queens and my face looked so wrinkled cold one while
• 1:07:44
  Speaker 1: on one I didn't use that the cutar camera was
• 1:07:46
  Speaker 1: on because I didn't, you know, in a court, I
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 1: was called in my tears like during the full show,
• 1:07:52
  Speaker 1: because I didn't want to be dramatic. I didn't want
• 1:07:54
  Speaker 1: to make people like feel story from me, like oh
• 1:07:56
  Speaker 1: my god to a girl. You know, that was not
• 1:07:59
  Speaker 1: my goal at That's why I was holding my tears
• 1:08:01
  Speaker 1: through the whole talk to hint through the like when
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 1: to show the video and every step yeah, um, you've
• 1:08:08
  Speaker 1: seen like you're seeing me that I was so close
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 1: to show my tears. But that was trying to note
• 1:08:14
  Speaker 1: one thing we did see as well, that Luke kind
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 1: of wasn't really answering any of your questions. And you
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 1: were saying I genuinely felt that way about you, uh,
• 1:08:23
  Speaker 1: and he was kind of just saying yep, yep, yep, yep.
• 1:08:26
  Speaker 1: That court me, Like it surprised me that he didn't
• 1:08:29
  Speaker 1: even look to my eyes. It's so disrespectful, like perfect
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 1: all looked at that person's eyes and say, when you
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 1: were staying on the profile that you've fallen in love
• 1:08:38
  Speaker 1: with the person you gotta that is just so stupid.
• 1:08:41
  Speaker 1: I swear I cannot deal with this. Like for me,
• 1:08:45
  Speaker 1: that was definitely a point where I thought Luke screwed up.
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 1: He had an opportunity to have a conversation with her
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: that could have been personal without the cameras there, and
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: it was kind of I said to Courtney this morning,
• 1:08:55
  Speaker 1: it was like a conversation you'd have with your mom
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 1: when you hate your You're sitting in the car having
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 1: the argument with that kind of conversation you have when
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 1: you're completely shutting down. That yep, yep yep to me.
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 1: But he was someone can you just give me even
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: you know, you saw everything from like aside, you know,
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 1: and can you just answer to me how it's possible
• 1:09:18
  Speaker 1: from all what you went through and you've seen how
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 1: our relationship develops and you have seen us like this
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: video amazing? What keeps you say? How keep you tweating me?
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 1: How is even possible to be then like this after show,
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I don't understand that, like you have you
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 1: asked him that, since what's one more time have you
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 1: talked to him or ask him any of these questions
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: since the Life show? No no, no No, I told
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: you I talked to him like twice, like when he
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 1: asked like did you write to yes since your old
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 1: folks okay event it was type in your year. UM.
• 1:09:54
  Speaker 1: I think I think generally your biggest complain about him
• 1:09:56
  Speaker 1: is there is a lack of sensitivity and people the
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 1: viewers sentiment is there completely confused. UM. I know you're
• 1:10:07
  Speaker 1: like at a train station right now and we have
• 1:10:11
  Speaker 1: this is yes, and this has been a little bit
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 1: of a broken interview. I was wondering if maybe in
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 1: the future, would you be willing to talk to Luke
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 1: on this podcast about like what actually went down without
• 1:10:21
  Speaker 1: the pressure of all the cameras and the audience like
• 1:10:25
  Speaker 1: I have. I don't see any sense to be in
• 1:10:27
  Speaker 1: business like I don't need any more answered. I just
• 1:10:30
  Speaker 1: wished him best of what really I do from both
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: of my heart. You know, I'm not angry. I didn't said.
• 1:10:36
  Speaker 1: We've been talking to all of you, had I said
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 1: I want something better about people. Never I never said,
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 1: and I will never do and I will never write
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: anything got about you, but I don't see any like
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 1: any sense because like this guy's wanted to get answered
• 1:10:51
  Speaker 1: like no, just like your your weight. Okay, So you
• 1:10:56
  Speaker 1: are now closing the book on this. Yeah, like what
• 1:10:59
  Speaker 1: we talk about the people try to now dig life
• 1:11:02
  Speaker 1: some kinds and try to again because he probably he
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 1: actouldn't need to find another word like a synonym for word. Yeah, yeah,
• 1:11:09
  Speaker 1: like really because he's find a good sydym because this
• 1:11:12
  Speaker 1: I'm just killerous. I think people are gonna want to
• 1:11:15
  Speaker 1: see you on paradise, get a second shot at love
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 1: and see your wonderful personality. Would you do that? Uh?
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 1: It's depends on which condition, like in which psychological conditions
• 1:11:27
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna be, And it's depends which people is gonna
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 1: be there, you know, like uh you know that after
• 1:11:33
  Speaker 1: this world so all I've been asking, like why didn't
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: you told me that? Like Lucy being this way you've
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 1: heard about Kim Bloomers, you remember it was a personal
• 1:11:42
  Speaker 1: stride because of like why why didn't he told me that?
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 1: Like because I really got purposed and I just needed
• 1:11:50
  Speaker 1: to be a real people if it to the people
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 1: who didn't go there for like other reasons a lot.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 1: Then yeah, maybe I would last to be there, but
• 1:11:58
  Speaker 1: the otherwise, thank you, but no, thank you. Okay, well,
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 1: thank you for coming on. It means the world to
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 1: us to get your point of view on all of this,
• 1:12:09
  Speaker 1: and we love you very very much. By alright, guys,
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 1: that is it for The Bachelor Winter Games and this
• 1:12:21
  Speaker 1: episode of The Almost Famous podcast. Thank you all for
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 1: being part of it. You guys are the greatest co
• 1:12:26
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• 1:12:30
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• 1:12:36
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