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77 Land Between the Lakes: A Paranormal Hotspot Explored by Anna Caywood Jones · The Eye of Jupiter Podcast

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  Speaker 1: Hey guys. So this is episode seventy seven with missus
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  Speaker 1: Anna Kawood Jones. She is a lifelong experiencer of the
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  Speaker 1: paranormal and her whole life she had no one to
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  Speaker 1: turn to. She didn't know who to talk to about
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  Speaker 1: these things. And then later on in life she started
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  Speaker 1: trying to piece somebody's pieces together, and it got to
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  Speaker 1: where she started visiting the LBL and doing some research
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  Speaker 1: on her own, with her and her daughter, because her
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  Speaker 1: daughter is also an experiencer as well, and so this
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  Speaker 1: is kind of like a kind of a Schmorgesborg or
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  Speaker 1: you know, our a buffet as you will or as
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  Speaker 1: you were, or if you would, or one of those
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  Speaker 1: sayings there, if I can just speak correctly, of her stories,
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  Speaker 1: mostly about the LBL and the things she experienced up there.
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  Speaker 1: She's been friends with powerful Barton Nunley for many years.
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  Speaker 1: Barton Nunley is the author of Inhumanoids as well as
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  Speaker 1: other books, and she's known him for a long time
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  Speaker 1: and she knows him, I think she said in twenty years.
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  Speaker 1: And she's good friends with a lot of other you know,
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  Speaker 1: podcasters as well as investigators. And she kind of goes
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  Speaker 1: through her weekend it's you know, about being in the
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  Speaker 1: LBL the first time she went down there, and talks
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  Speaker 1: about some of her experiences there. We talk about the
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  Speaker 1: LBLU that is the land between the lakes. It's a
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  Speaker 1: like a management area for the hydro electric hydro electric
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  Speaker 1: area between Kentucky and Tennessee on the western side west
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  Speaker 1: of I see north of Nashville and west of Fort Campbell,
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  Speaker 1: not that far away actually Kentucky. And it's also I
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  Speaker 1: think it's Clark County. I think the Clark County's were
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  Speaker 1: the Bell Witches. And it's also west of that, but
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  Speaker 1: not that far. And so she kind of goes into
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  Speaker 1: like we go into like the history of it. We
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  Speaker 1: talk about the LBL massacre a little bit, we talk
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  Speaker 1: about an episode she was on with Daniel Cahun from
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  Speaker 1: the Magical Journey podcast and where I've seen her and
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  Speaker 1: we just kind of go through her experiences. Is pretty
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  Speaker 1: pretty insane some of the things she said, and very believable.
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  Speaker 1: She's a wonderful person. She was very kind to me.
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  Speaker 1: We had some technical difficulties at the beginning. You'll hear
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  Speaker 1: with an okay with Jones? Mm hmmmm, Hey, Hi, So
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  Speaker 1: you and I were having a technical difficulties for about
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  Speaker 1: twenty one minutes and I literally went on Facebook Live
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  Speaker 1: real quick to see if it was me, but it
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  Speaker 1: was just I went out, came back in and then
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  Speaker 1: when you went out came back and it finally worked.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so glad you're here and I'm please, you know, like,
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  Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about yourself, where we could
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  Speaker 1: find you, and what got you into you know what
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  Speaker 1: you're doing.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. My name's Anna, and I have had lifelong paranormal
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  Speaker 2: experiences from the time I was very very young, and
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  Speaker 2: I grew up during the time where you didn't talk
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  Speaker 2: about it if you had these experiences, Like I was
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  Speaker 2: a kid in the seventies, I was a teen in
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  Speaker 2: the eighties. There wasn't a lot on TV to watch
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  Speaker 2: like there is now, and I did not know what
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  Speaker 2: was going on with all the paranormal experiences that was
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  Speaker 2: happening in my life. So finally towards as I reached adulthood,
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  Speaker 2: there were more things available to at least research, and
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  Speaker 2: I was looking for answers. I needed answers with so
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  Speaker 2: many things that I was going through. And for a
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  Speaker 2: long time I wanted to join a paranormal group here
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  Speaker 2: in Central Kentucky because that's where I lived. But I
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  Speaker 2: was scared because I was afraid of attachments. I was
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  Speaker 2: so worried about that, so it to me. It kept
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  Speaker 2: me from joining anybody, and so I didn't for the
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  Speaker 2: longest time. I just started doing my research and learning,
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  Speaker 2: and that is how I ended up meeting Bart. I
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  Speaker 2: knew Jan Thompson who told the story that was told
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  Speaker 2: by her by the police officers about the eighty two
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  Speaker 2: massacre in LBL And from there I just began learning
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  Speaker 2: and trying to understand. And also I thought this was
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  Speaker 2: always really interesting. I'm RH negative, Okay, yeah, I know
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  Speaker 2: about that.
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  Speaker 1: Well.
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  Speaker 2: I needed answer about that one. That kind of blew
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  Speaker 2: my mind when I started having kids and I had
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  Speaker 2: to go get a shot because if I didn't and
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  Speaker 2: my baby was RH positive, then my body was going
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  Speaker 2: to try to attack it and kill my unborn child.
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  Speaker 2: That made no sense to me whatsoever. So that was
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  Speaker 2: a big journey for me trying to figure that one
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  Speaker 2: out because that makes no sense.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so.
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  Speaker 2: I never did get the first few years I was
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  Speaker 2: researching that, I never did get an answer that satisfied
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  Speaker 2: me personally every time I was looking it up online,
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  Speaker 2: and it was just answers that didn't fit with what
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  Speaker 2: I thought could be happening. And because I am a
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  Speaker 2: Christian and I do believe in Jesus Christ, I needed
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  Speaker 2: biblical answers. Was I going to find a biblical answer
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  Speaker 2: to that? And that? So that was another rabbit hole.
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  Speaker 2: So it has been a long journey trying to figure
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  Speaker 2: that out. But I do feel like I have found
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  Speaker 2: the answers on that. It's been a three year study
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  Speaker 2: for me on the fallen angels. And also during that time,
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  Speaker 2: it is when I took a trip to the LBL
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  Speaker 2: and camped in August of twenty twenty two. Now I
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  Speaker 2: knew about the LBL because I knew Jen Thompson. I
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  Speaker 2: had talked with her in the early two thousands quite often.
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  Speaker 2: We had many conversations. She was one of the people
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  Speaker 2: that helped me learn more about the paranormal. Barton Unley also,
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  Speaker 2: he always gave me great advice whenever I reached out
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  Speaker 2: to him if I had questions. And then I took
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  Speaker 2: that trip to LBL, and honestly, most of my experiences
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  Speaker 2: were in what most people would just box in as
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  Speaker 2: just paranormal. I hadn't had like a cryptid sighting per
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  Speaker 2: se until I went to the LBL in August of
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  Speaker 2: twenty two, and that was a weekend I will never
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  Speaker 2: forget I had been to the LBL one other time
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  Speaker 2: years earlier. I think it was in twenty twelve. My
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  Speaker 2: daughter was in high school. We just went for spring
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  Speaker 2: break and we just did all the touristy stuff down there.
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  Speaker 2: It wasn't getting out in the woods and checking things out.
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  Speaker 2: So but I knew about the Masker site, but I
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  Speaker 2: didn't go look for it during that time. It was
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  Speaker 2: just a spring vacation with the kids at that time,
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  Speaker 2: and so when I went in August of twenty twenty two,
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  Speaker 2: that scared me. That entire weekend, we were terrified. We
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  Speaker 2: stayed at Boswell Landing, which is on the let me
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  Speaker 2: get it right, the south end of Kentucky, but the
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  Speaker 2: northern end of Tennessee. Boswell Landing's actually on the Tennessee side,
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  Speaker 2: and Boswell Landing.
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  Speaker 1: This is off the trains road, yes, yes.
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  Speaker 2: Right off the trace. The Trace is about forty miles
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  Speaker 2: long and it starts up at Grand Rivers. That's the
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  Speaker 2: city up in the north, and it's a cute little town,
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  Speaker 2: touristy town, and then you drive the Trace all the
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  Speaker 2: way down on the Tennessee side, and we stayed at
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  Speaker 2: Boswell Landing. This is a primitive type campground. You better
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  Speaker 2: bring stuff or you ain't gonna have nothing like it
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  Speaker 2: was literally you had a gravel pad, you had a
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  Speaker 2: picnic table, and you had a fir ring. So if
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  Speaker 2: you didn't bring wood, if you didn't bring your own lights,
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  Speaker 2: there's no lights out there. Nothing, that's it. So it
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  Speaker 2: was really primitive.
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  Speaker 1: You gotta have one of the solar solar shower bags
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  Speaker 1: that you hang up, because I did all my camping
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  Speaker 1: in Europe. Yeah, you get a little solid, little black bag,
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  Speaker 1: you're hang in a tree. You're hanging in a tree,
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  Speaker 1: leave it out there in the day a little bit
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  Speaker 1: and then you're taken old. Be careful though, because they
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  Speaker 1: will light you up if you leave them out there
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  Speaker 1: in the directs on for too long.
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  Speaker 2: I know I've done.
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  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah.
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  Speaker 2: So yeah, that was really my first experience with what
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  Speaker 2: I would consider cryptid or inhumanoid as bar likes to classify.
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  Speaker 2: So I'll just tell you what I saw while I
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  Speaker 2: was down there. This is This was a weird weekend.
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  Speaker 2: We had a full moon and it was the per
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  Speaker 2: seed meteor showers. It was the August meteor showers were
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  Speaker 2: going on during the weekend.
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  Speaker 1: To toward media showers there in August and I think
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  Speaker 1: January it was.
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  Speaker 2: You know, it was a really powerful down there, you know,
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  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so yeah, it was a shoe. So anyway,
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  Speaker 2: there's a graveyard right beside Boswell Landing as you come
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  Speaker 2: into that campground. There's a lot of Civil War history
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  Speaker 2: down there. You're right beside Fort Thomas and Fort Donaldson
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  Speaker 2: is down there. There is a small Civil War cemetery
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  Speaker 2: just up the road from this campground. So much history,
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  Speaker 2: a lot of bloodshed in that area. And so there's
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  Speaker 2: the dog Man Trail in that campground. And I didn't
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  Speaker 2: know about it at that time at all.
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  Speaker 1: I've never heard of that.
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  Speaker 2: Called the dog Man trail. Talk what happened to a
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  Speaker 2: mom and her kids and their dogs while they were
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  Speaker 2: camping down there on that dog Man trail. So that
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  Speaker 2: night we picked to camps like that was directly across
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  Speaker 2: from this cemetery. So I mean we're within just you know,
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  Speaker 2: ten steps. So as soon as we pulled in and
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  Speaker 2: we're trying to get set up, we're seeing red orbs
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  Speaker 2: in that cemetery. We back up to the woods. There's
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  Speaker 2: nothing in there. There's no houses, there's no there's there's
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  Speaker 2: nothing in there. It's just all woods, except if you
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  Speaker 2: walk far enough, you're going to run into that Civil
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  Speaker 2: War cemetery. I started seeing white orbs in the woods,
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  Speaker 2: and I was like, what are we in for? What's
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  Speaker 2: getting ready to happen? So I was I had my
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  Speaker 2: common pathic so I was feeling it get heavy. And
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  Speaker 2: when they say that it gets dark in the LBO,
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  Speaker 2: I'm telling you it gets dark. It's an eerie, very
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  Speaker 2: inky darkness in those woods. So the sun was coming
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  Speaker 2: down as we were trying to get our camp set up.
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  Speaker 2: A camping friend she went over to the cemetery just
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  Speaker 2: to look around. I didn't go because I didn't have
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  Speaker 2: a headlamp. It was the first time I had actually
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  Speaker 2: done it, any type of primitive camping in years, so
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  Speaker 2: this was my first time. I really wanted to go,
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  Speaker 2: and I've been in a car accident that crushed me
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  Speaker 2: from the waist down. So I didn't want to go
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  Speaker 2: walking in unfamiliar territory when I didn't have a headlamp
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  Speaker 2: enough light to light my way, because IM sure as
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  Speaker 2: I didn't want to fall and getting hurt down there
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  Speaker 2: in the middle of.
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  Speaker 1: Nothing fair enough, fair enough, So.
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  Speaker 2: I stayed back and I sat on the picnic table.
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  Speaker 2: The woods are in front of me. Over to my
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  Speaker 2: right is the cemetery. So as I'm sitting on this
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  Speaker 2: picnic table and the dark is drawn down, it's getting
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  Speaker 2: dark sun setting over the lake, and my friend is
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  Speaker 2: in the cemetery looking around, and all of a sudden,
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  Speaker 2: I see a figure. I did not hear the footsteps,
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  Speaker 2: but it came out of the woodline and stood there.
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  Speaker 2: It looked like shad figure, like a shadow entity, because
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see any details. I didn't see the eyes,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't see any fur. It did not make any noise,
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  Speaker 2: there are no smells. But it had the exact out
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  Speaker 2: line of your classic bigfoot shape. It had that cone head,
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  Speaker 2: really broad shoulders, and then about waist down. It just
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  Speaker 2: kind of blended into the darkness of the woods.
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  Speaker 1: Wow.
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  Speaker 2: And I watched it and the angle where I was
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  Speaker 2: sitting on that picnic table, I could keep my eye
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  Speaker 2: on the cemetery where my camping friend was, but turned
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  Speaker 2: my eyes, not my head, but turned my eyes to
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  Speaker 2: see what this figure was doing. That's the angle I had.
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  Speaker 2: And I started questioning myself because it didn't move and
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  Speaker 2: it didn't make any noise. It was like looking at
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  Speaker 2: one of those metal cutouts of Bigfoot that people have.
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  Speaker 1: I've heard of this before. Yeah, they're seeing there, like
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  Speaker 1: is that what I I'm cut out on the side
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  Speaker 1: of the road, and the next thing you know, they
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  Speaker 1: get a little closer and it's like, no, oh my god.
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  Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, I understand.
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  Speaker 2: Just what it looked like to me. Only a lot
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  Speaker 2: of the cutouts are like a side profile, and this
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  Speaker 2: was just the thing was facing me. I could tell
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  Speaker 2: it was facing to me because of the wide shoulders,
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  Speaker 2: the way the shoulders were. So I'm scared. But because
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  Speaker 2: I've had such a lifetime of paranormal activity in my life,
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  Speaker 2: I have learned for me personally that if you give
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  Speaker 2: it attention makes it stronger. So I didn't want to
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  Speaker 2: project that towards it. So I was keeping an eye
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  Speaker 2: on my friend. She had a headlamp on. I was
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  Speaker 2: starting to question myself because it wasn't moving. She comes
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  Speaker 2: across the road and as she's stepping across that road,
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  Speaker 2: this thing turned its head towards her and made like
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  Speaker 2: a step towards her, and my heart sank into my stomach.
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  Speaker 2: And about that time, her headlamp swished across right where
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  Speaker 2: it was and there was nothing there.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my, that's so scary. Darker. Yeah, people don't people
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  Speaker 1: don't realize that, like the darker than dark thing is
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  Speaker 1: so amazing because like there was a I think there
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  Speaker 1: was a power out of Chanel a like in the
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  Speaker 1: nineties sometime, and uh, the telephone line still work. So
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  Speaker 1: they had like hundreds and hundreds of calls on Nila
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  Speaker 1: one going what's all those lights in the skies? Because
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  Speaker 1: the light but they were seeing the stars, you know
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  Speaker 1: what I mean? That darker and dark stuff is incredible.
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  Speaker 1: I the darkest place I've ever been to. This place
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  Speaker 1: is pretty dark. I am to I'm in the Yuga
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  Speaker 1: tam Peninsula in Mexico if you don't know. Yeah, so
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  Speaker 1: I'm in the jungle way out there. Uh. The darkest
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  Speaker 1: I've ever seen was behind the mountain uh in Fort Irwin, California,
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  Speaker 1: while I was there. I was actually there during September eleventh.
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  Speaker 1: I was uh doing desert training at the NTC, and like,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna go out there, and we pulled out, Okay,
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  Speaker 1: we're gonna go to night mode and then they go
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  Speaker 1: I got out the truck for I don't know two
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  Speaker 1: minutes and looked up and it was just it is
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  Speaker 1: that it is. You can't see the hand in front
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  Speaker 1: of your face. It's incredible. It's incredible. So like in
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  Speaker 1: the in the l b O is a it's like
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  Speaker 1: a what is a wild manage Wildlife management area or
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  Speaker 1: like a state park or it's a.
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  Speaker 2: It's a Bureau of Land Management area. Okay, the LAM area. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: so they don't let you take firearms in there. They
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  Speaker 2: got big signs up on the trice telling you don't
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  Speaker 2: take firearms in. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a notorious place. It's a notorious place. I
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  Speaker 1: keep running into so many people who've been there, and
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  Speaker 1: it's just the oddest place. I watched some small town
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  Speaker 1: monster stuff, you know with yeah, the story of I
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  Speaker 1: keep thinking bart and Ley, but I'm thinking of the
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  Speaker 1: other guy, the guy who was what is Martin Groves? Yes, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I listened to that story on Tony Merkle's podcast like
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  Speaker 1: four times and.
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  Speaker 2: It's just one of Martin multiple times.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well, what can you tell me about going
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  Speaker 1: in there? Because I'm an impath person myself. I I've
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  Speaker 1: never been in the like any type of serious situations
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  Speaker 1: because I can always tell something's about to happen and
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  Speaker 1: I leave.
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  Speaker 2: Before absolutely the LBL. Do you know much of the
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  Speaker 2: history of LBL.
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  Speaker 1: I know a little bit about it. I know it
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  Speaker 1: used to be like a settled area was actually originally
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  Speaker 1: the land between two rivers, and then they wanted to
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: want to make like a like a hydro electric situation
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: and they were going to maintain it, but they never
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: did and a lot of families had to get out
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: of there, and a lot of uh cemeteries are there
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: and a lot of you know, even a lot of
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: the houses and even some of the small little towns
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: and things are like underwater. So it's kind of a
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: there's a lot of anger there, a lot of like
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: you're missed there, right, So it's I heard something really
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: interesting too, Like it was there was like some beast
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: of in France that was like a dog man that
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: they ended up like killing, and the person who bought
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: a piece of land also bought a piece of land
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: who killed the beast also bought a piece of land
• 21:21
  Speaker 1: in the LBL back in the day. So it's a
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: really weird place.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it is very odd. And as an EmPATH
• 21:30
  Speaker 2: going in there, you feel the hurt and the anger
• 21:38
  Speaker 2: as soon as you get into the wooded areas. When
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: you're in Grand Rivers, you know, the little city that's
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: up on the north end, you really don't feel it.
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: It's after you cross over that bridge into onto the
• 21:53
  Speaker 2: Trace and as soon as those woods envelop you. Whether
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: you're just driving the Trace during the time or what,
• 22:01
  Speaker 2: you start feeling it. There are multiple slave cemeteries in there.
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: There are Chinese slave cemeteries in there. Yes, yes, there
• 22:13
  Speaker 2: were Chinese immigrants that were there that worked the iron
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: furnaces that were there before the government came in with
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: eminent domain and took people's homes, they took their businesses.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: They would bulldoze them down and burn them. I mean,
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: it was horrible what they what they did. And there's
• 22:31
  Speaker 2: also a Native American presence in the LBIL. The Chickasaw
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: Indians were there before. The people that were there that
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: got kicked out by our are our government with eminent domain.
• 22:45
  Speaker 2: So you can see mounds if you're looking, if you
• 22:51
  Speaker 2: know what they look like, you can see those in there.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: You can see Indian tree markers in there. I've been
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: doing a lot of re searched on the history of that,
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: trying to dig a little deeper further back. But yeah,
• 23:06
  Speaker 2: it's a very sad place. It's a very sad place,
• 23:11
  Speaker 2: and it's not very.
• 23:13
  Speaker 1: It's not kept up very well either, as far as
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: I'm understanding, it's not kept up very well either. They
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: don't really maintain it that well.
• 23:21
  Speaker 2: Not real well. They promised the descendants of the families
• 23:25
  Speaker 2: that were kicked out of there, they promised them that
• 23:27
  Speaker 2: they would always have access to the cemeteries of their
• 23:30
  Speaker 2: loved ones. They moved a lot of the cemeteries to
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: higher ground, or they were supposed to have. There's some
• 23:38
  Speaker 2: that you can see when winter pool when they lower
• 23:41
  Speaker 2: the lake level. Birmingham is the name of the town,
• 23:45
  Speaker 2: and there are there is a couple of gravestones that
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: come up out of the water during winter pool because
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: it's lower, the water's lower, and you can see them. Yeah,
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: so they didn't move all of them, but there's over
• 23:59
  Speaker 2: two hundred and seven cemeteries along that forty mile stretch.
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: That's all the trace. That's a lot.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a lot. That's a lot.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: It's a very unique area. Then that's incredible. And then
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you know another interesting you were telling me, like you
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: can you see Okay, your first bigfoot sighting. Uh, I
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: don't know if you've had more, But it's at a cemetery.
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: I know that absolutely, I do know that. For example,
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: for some reason, dog men seems to show up at
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: cemeteries like it seems to be like the thing that
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: they do. I don't know what that is. And being that,
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: would you say forty five cemeteries? No, two hundred?
• 24:35
  Speaker 2: What did you say two hundreds? There are over two
• 24:38
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy cemeteries along that forty miles of the trice,
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: and there are just roads everywhere. Some of them are
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: locked and gated off. You can't get back there. Some
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: of them are dirt roads, some of them are gravel roads.
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: They're not maintained that well. But they did promise the
• 24:56
  Speaker 2: descendants of the families that live there that they would
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: always have a clear path to get to their family cemeteries.
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: And sometimes some of those are not even maintained. I
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: think a lot of the families have to go in
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: and do it themselves at times.
• 25:13
  Speaker 1: Right, Sorry, my friend came home normously comes it a
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: lot later. This is amazing. I'm glad she's here.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: Uh.
• 25:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So you were telling me that you're an author.
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: Tell me about Tell me about your books. What are
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: you What are you writing about?
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: I write a little bit of everything. I write fiction
• 25:37
  Speaker 2: and nonfiction. I have a novel that was published in
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: two thousand and five. It was a sci fi romance,
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: and then I have a lot of short stories written.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: A lot of them are paranormal. One of the short
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: stories you can find on Amazon, and it's called The
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: Promise by AJK. Wood. That's my pen name, and that
• 25:58
  Speaker 2: is a retelling of what happened to my mother when
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: my biological father died two months before I turned two
• 26:07
  Speaker 2: years old, and she was pregnant with my brother, and
• 26:10
  Speaker 2: there were major paranormal events that surrounded us during that
• 26:15
  Speaker 2: time of our life, and my mom brought my brother
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: home from the hospital. It was even though I was
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: young and I don't really remember the details of that
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: point in time, it was a very terrifying time for
• 26:29
  Speaker 2: my mother. Okay, so it's a short story, so it's
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: only like eighteen pages or something like that. But when
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: you read that, you're reading what actually happened to us
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: during that time. Wow, and it just you know, the.
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I just I'm sorry. We're trying to get the time.
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: There's a little bit of a lag. Yeah, I'm sorry. Set.
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: So you've had paranormal situations your whole life. Could you
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: tell me a little bit about how it started or
• 27:03
  Speaker 1: or what happened, you know, like where it made you
• 27:06
  Speaker 1: feel that you can't reach out and talk to somebody.
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: Well, part of it was my parents. When my mom remarried,
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: I was four and a half and my stepdad was
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: a wonderful man, but he did not believe in the
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: paranormal at all, and he didn't want to hear it. Now.
• 27:27
  Speaker 2: He wasn't mean about it, but he was just like, aw,
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: that was a bad dream. Quit talking about that. So
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: my mom would always say, well, just don't talk about it.
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: So I wasn't allowed to talk about things that happened
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: to me now if it was a major event. There
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: were times that I would see entities in my bedroom
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: at night, and if they scared me to the point
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: where I would scream out, my mom would come in.
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: But also, like you, if I had gone to my
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: counselor at school during that time, they would have just
• 28:02
  Speaker 2: you need to go to have a little straight jacket.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: That's just the way things were during those times. You
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: really couldn't talk to people about it. But starting from
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: a very young age, my parents really delved into the paranormal,
• 28:21
  Speaker 2: and I think that's where it came from. I believe
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: my mother has a lifelong attachment. To this day, my
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: mother is eighty five years old. Yeah, to this day,
• 28:32
  Speaker 2: my mother's eighty five. She lives alone in the home
• 28:35
  Speaker 2: that she's lived in for over forty years, and she
• 28:37
  Speaker 2: talks about seeing people in the house, a little demon
• 28:42
  Speaker 2: that sits on her bed frame and hisses at her.
• 28:45
  Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, major stuff, major stuff, And this has
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: gone on most of my life. That's why I needed
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: answers and to understand because it was terrifying for me
• 28:58
  Speaker 2: growing up. Now, I'm not saying it happen and like
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: every night, but it was a consistency through my childhood. Now,
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: when I got married and moved away from my mom,
• 29:12
  Speaker 2: it calmed.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: Down right, right. I had I had a poltergeist uh
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: encounter multiple times when my half sister came over when
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: I was eight, And yeah, so I I understand ezactly
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: where you're coming from. So many times, you know, you
• 29:32
  Speaker 1: would hear just the house settle. You know, it would
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: be nothing, but it would make you jump out of
• 29:36
  Speaker 1: your pants or the door would move because of the wind,
• 29:39
  Speaker 1: which is you know, my DEA's just the wind. You know,
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: you can see it moving, and then you can see
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: it the window was opening in the bedroom and therefore
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: the doors moving, so like it always puts you on
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: edge and then you have no one to listen to you,
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: and that's that's it's just an awful feeling. And uh,
• 29:53
  Speaker 1: it's kind of cool that you, I mean least later
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: on in life that you are kind of slowly getting
• 29:58
  Speaker 1: some answers through your religion as well as you know,
• 30:00
  Speaker 1: doing your own what what? So? What do you do
• 30:03
  Speaker 1: do you you're an author and you also do investigations?
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: What is it that you do?
• 30:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah? For me, mainly, there's two areas that I like
• 30:12
  Speaker 2: to go to to investigate, and it's of course the
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: l b O because I started after having that weekend
• 30:19
  Speaker 2: there that was crazy because there was more stuff that
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: happened over that weekend.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: Tell me, tell me, let's go let's do that. Let's
• 30:27
  Speaker 1: go into that, let's go into that. All this is
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: a this is a what do they call like a
• 30:33
  Speaker 1: solid bar of conversation. We'll make it work. Do you
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: want it? Olive with him, or do you want, like,
• 30:40
  Speaker 1: you know, what, do you want?
• 30:43
  Speaker 2: A little bit you.
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: Got normally normally there's like a plot and a theme
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: and then you get to the apex of the story
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: time and you know, but no, that's not what I'm
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: doing today.
• 30:56
  Speaker 2: But yeah, that night after I saw well, I'm pretty
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: saying corpse started off four and then I don't even
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: know what to call it because it was tical bigfoot siding.
• 31:15
  Speaker 2: It was like a shadow in the in the shack.
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: So a lot of times answer that one people say
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: because my classics things, but that I was terrified, Like
• 31:34
  Speaker 2: I said, I grew with me. That felt paranormal, that
• 31:42
  Speaker 2: like animal come out to investigating. You know, it didn't
• 31:50
  Speaker 2: feel way to me at all. So me to bed
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: and I slept my my camping friend slept in her
• 32:02
  Speaker 2: own tent. And in the middle, it's probably about midnight,
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: moon's full, We've got a meteor shower going, and we
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: hear this howl along with the coyotes that is deep.
• 32:20
  Speaker 2: It's a deep chested. How this thing had to be
• 32:23
  Speaker 2: huge for the type of howl that we heard, and
• 32:27
  Speaker 2: we heard it along with the coyotes, which is from
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: my understanding, kind of typical you'll hear those howls with
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: the coyotes. So we heard that, and it was a
• 32:38
  Speaker 2: very long howl too. Now, the LBL does have the
• 32:42
  Speaker 2: red wolf, but they're a small wolf. Now, this was
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: not the capacity of a small wolf. This thing was huge.
• 32:51
  Speaker 2: And we were absolutely shocked that we heard that. So
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sleeping in the back of this jeep. I'm terrified.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: I'm looking out the wind to watching this meteor shower
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: because it was a beautiful weekend, and I see a
• 33:06
  Speaker 2: shadow figure come up to the side of the jeep. Now,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: you can buy like felt or netting window panels for camping,
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: for car camping. That way you can row your window down,
• 33:21
  Speaker 2: but you put this netting up and it keeps the
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: bugs from coming in. So it blacked out the back window.
• 33:27
  Speaker 2: But there was a small window at the hatch area
• 33:32
  Speaker 2: and whatever this was, and I'm thinking it was what
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: I had seen earlier, but we I didn't hear any footsteps,
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: but it was rocking back and forth right looking in
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: that window, like trying to look through a keyhole looking
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: in that little window. And I saw that and I
• 33:52
  Speaker 2: was like nope. So it turned over with my back
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: to it. Now I know some people will be like, well,
• 33:59
  Speaker 2: why'd you turn your back to But for me, that
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: was blocking it out. That was me blocking that out.
• 34:05
  Speaker 1: It makes complete sense to me. It's the same thing
• 34:08
  Speaker 1: you do when you pull the sheets up over your head, like, well,
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: I'm not hearing no more. It's it's natural for some reason. Yeah,
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: I understand, believe me, I understand you.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Right, So that's what I did. And later through the night,
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: my camping friend something brushed her tent right by her head.
• 34:26
  Speaker 2: Now we're on a gravel pad. You can hear the
• 34:29
  Speaker 2: dagone squirrels walking across that gravel pad, so whatever it
• 34:35
  Speaker 2: was made no noise on the gravel pad. We were
• 34:38
  Speaker 2: camping on the next day, we decided to hit a
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: couple of these little gravel roads that you can go down,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: and we saw shadow figures in the middle of the
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: day during sunshine in the woods. Right, I saw it visually,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: and I started taking pictures with my phone and my
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: camping friend she was looking at where I was seeing it,
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: but she couldn't visually see it. She started taking pictures
• 35:15
  Speaker 2: with her phone. The pictures showed up the shadow figure
• 35:20
  Speaker 2: in her pictures that she couldn't see visually. But what
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: and visually did not show up in my pictures?
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Is this the ones that you showed that you said me.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: No, no, this is this is different. Yeah, that was weird. Look,
• 35:44
  Speaker 2: it's manipulating what you're saying in electronics, she said, putting
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: on the camera, and that was weird.
• 35:58
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I have a lot of distortion. I don't know
• 36:01
  Speaker 1: what it is.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Are you there, Yeah, I'm here.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I'm getting a lot of distortion. Yeah, I
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: don't know what it is. I'm getting a lot of distortion.
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: It's weird today. And I think it's like there's certain
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: people I talk to Anna, there's certain people that I'll
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: talk to and I'll have a ton of issues. And
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: if some people talk to I have no issues and
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: you're you're so you're you're special, I might have to
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: send you I might have no I know. Oh yeah,
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to be yeah, I'm trying to be all
• 36:36
  Speaker 1: I'm trying to be coy about you being a bad person.
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: No whatever, I mean. What I mean is later I
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: might have to send you a link that because it's
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: going to record on your side, and then you have
• 36:49
  Speaker 1: to send it back over because I might have to like,
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: meld them together. We'll see what happens. This is gonna
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: be a fun one. I don't I don't care either way.
• 36:56
  Speaker 1: If I had to cut a little bit here, a
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: little bit there, I'm gonna have a lot of work
• 36:58
  Speaker 1: ahead of me. Thank you, uh spirit realm for messing
• 37:02
  Speaker 1: with my recording anyhow. So you're seeing you're seeing shadow
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: figures in the middle of the day.
• 37:08
  Speaker 2: In the daytime. Yep, in the daytime, what like behind trees,
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: they were in the woods. They were standing in the woods. Yeah,
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: it was sunshining, but there was just one black spot
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: and I was like, what is that. I could visually
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: see it. My camping friend she couldn't visually see it,
• 37:30
  Speaker 2: but it did show up in her pictures, but it
• 37:32
  Speaker 2: didn't show up in mine. Oh wow, Yeah, it's just
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: really weird. It was really weird. Then we went to
• 37:42
  Speaker 2: a cemetery out there, and when we got to the cemetery,
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: now I think I did send you these pictures. We
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: got out to the cemetery and she's looking on the
• 37:53
  Speaker 2: ground and she's thinking she's seeing some little prince. But
• 37:58
  Speaker 2: the first one she was pointing. I didn't think or anything,
• 38:02
  Speaker 2: But there was a nineteen seventies metal chain link fence
• 38:08
  Speaker 2: with a top metal bar that went around the very
• 38:10
  Speaker 2: top of it that surrounded the cemetery. And where she
• 38:14
  Speaker 2: was looking, this fence had been pushed down.
• 38:19
  Speaker 3: That bar.
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: And it was busted, and fince was pushed up like
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: someone had tasted. Someone very heavy had taken her hand,
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: pushed down on that top metal bar and the bottom
• 38:41
  Speaker 2: as they're climbing over a fence. So I got to
• 38:45
  Speaker 2: look close. Found a huge print there. It was a
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: huge print. I put I sent you that picture. I
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: put my shoe sizes beside it. It's not that one,
• 38:58
  Speaker 2: it's the other one.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't have that one.
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: Okay, that's okay, you know what this one? Sure you
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: want me to tell about that one? We'll tell her
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: this in Boswell Landing.
• 39:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, So okay.
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: This was October twenty twenty four. We were down there
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: for a big camp out and this was right there
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: in Boswell Landing because we camp there again, a big
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: group of us, and I found that there and Letitia
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: and Ley Mark's wife. She found a couple more prints
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: in the general area, but that one was the most
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: distinct because you can see the toes for top of
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: that's right, exactly exactly. And I'm a shoe size eight
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: and a half.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: Okay, so that's oh wow. And the heel kind of
• 39:55
  Speaker 1: comes around the curves to the left there, so it's yeah, wow.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: I don't know what is the eight and a half
• 40:02
  Speaker 1: an inches. I don't even know what that is. I
• 40:04
  Speaker 1: lived in Europe for twenty years and now I'm here
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: in Mexico's always had these shoe sizes, Like in Europe,
• 40:09
  Speaker 1: I'm a forty five and here I'm a thirty. So
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: in the States, ah, somewhere between the twelve and thirteen, okay.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: So that print siles would probably be just a little
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: bit bigger than that in your size.
• 40:25
  Speaker 1: So so it wasn't a large one.
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: It was not a huge one. No. The other one
• 40:29
  Speaker 2: that we found in the cemetery was absolutely huge. And
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: where that fence was bent, we made sure that no
• 40:38
  Speaker 2: tree had fallen. If a tree had fallen on that
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: and somebody had come in to clean that tree up,
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: there would have been leaves left over, there would have
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: been little limbs left. They're not going to pick up
• 40:50
  Speaker 2: every single little piece. If they need to saw a
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: tree off a fence.
• 40:55
  Speaker 1: How tall is the fence.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: Oh, it was just your typical probably about foot fence.
• 41:01
  Speaker 2: It wasn't real tall.
• 41:03
  Speaker 1: So that's like something like kind of like you're so,
• 41:06
  Speaker 1: what you're trying to suggest is like they would like
• 41:08
  Speaker 1: kind of like step over.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: Yes, yes, like it pushed down that top bar and
• 41:13
  Speaker 2: busted it to step over top of it.
• 41:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and right there there was a print.
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: Right there, there was a print. There was a partial
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: print as well, but it wasn't you couldn't see it
• 41:25
  Speaker 2: as well in a photograph as the big one, like for.
• 41:29
  Speaker 1: The skeptical people out there, Like, how do you explain
• 41:31
  Speaker 1: that one? So this cemetery is in the middle of nowhere.
• 41:33
  Speaker 2: Right right, it's in yeah, in the middle of LBA.
• 41:38
  Speaker 1: So who's out there with with barefooted stepping over a
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: fence into a cemetery or vice versa or out of
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: a cemetery barefooted with that sized feet? It makes no sense. Yeah,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: it's just there's only one logical explanation at this point
• 41:52
  Speaker 1: now where these things come from. What they are? You know,
• 41:55
  Speaker 1: there's you know you I'm sure you have your idea
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: as speculation. I'm guessing you're thinking nephilim. I'm just going
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: to guess up it up in my head, I do.
• 42:03
  Speaker 2: I think it is a it is a lower hierarchy
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: of the next. Okay, yeah, but.
• 42:19
  Speaker 3: I have experience in waiting that people had their obvious too,
• 42:25
  Speaker 3: and I just like all of us can truth what
• 42:30
  Speaker 3: we have experienced and learned from each other.
• 42:33
  Speaker 2: But for me, meaning I was able to find it there,
• 42:39
  Speaker 2: it's a manipulation.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, yeah, there's there's I don't think there's any
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: wrong or right answers until there's some type of definitiveness
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: to it and when it comes with any type of
• 42:52
  Speaker 1: scientific this is what it is. Even then, I'm still skeptical.
• 42:57
  Speaker 1: I've had people on who say, okay, if nephelin are
• 42:59
  Speaker 1: falling angel as, that means they're in somewhat like you know,
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: naturally or whatever you want to call evil. But these
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: things have helped me heal myself, and they always said
• 43:07
  Speaker 1: be careful. There's a dog man around through mind speak
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: so and he's a very religious person too, and he's like,
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I don't think it is so, you know, I think
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: everyone you know what I mean, we should just as
• 43:16
  Speaker 1: long as we're open, you know, it's okay to stand
• 43:19
  Speaker 1: on the fence and lean to one side or the
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: other about anything. But you know, this is where, this
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: is where the path is leading you to from the
• 43:25
  Speaker 1: because I'm not out there. You're out there. I think
• 43:27
  Speaker 1: it's fine. You know who cares, you know what I mean.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: But a lot of people, you know, they get very
• 43:32
  Speaker 1: huffy and puffy about things, and I don't think that's
• 43:34
  Speaker 1: the way to do anything. That's human nature. We could
• 43:37
  Speaker 1: pass that. But yeah, I mean, what are these what
• 43:40
  Speaker 1: are these things? And in like the lb L is
• 43:43
  Speaker 1: also known like as I mean, I gotta be honest
• 43:47
  Speaker 1: with you, Like I it's probably like the I would
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: say the dog Man hotspot, the dog Man hotspot of
• 43:55
  Speaker 1: like the world. Really, I mean you hear occasionally in
• 43:58
  Speaker 1: other places, but like, I mean, there's so many stories
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: come out of this. It's not it's big, but really,
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: in all, it's not that big. It's forty miles long,
• 44:07
  Speaker 1: they will say fifty miles long, and what fifteen to twenty
• 44:10
  Speaker 1: miles wide at the most.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: It's probably about eight miles wide, and it has one
• 44:16
  Speaker 2: hundred and seventy thousand acres to it.
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, so it's not that large.
• 44:22
  Speaker 2: No, it's not huge, but it is enclosed by two
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: really big lakes, which is interesting, a little interesting concert.
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: It's got everything you need there. It's got bad history.
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: It's got water it used to be flowing water, which
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: is also even better. So it's got that. It's got
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: all these cemeteries, it's got civil war, it's got slave
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: it's got China, it's got all this. It's got two
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: groups of people being removed forcefully, and then it's that
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: you can't do they still Yeah? Do they still allow
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: people to hunt in there?
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: Say that again?
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: Do they still allow people to hunt in there?
• 45:05
  Speaker 3: Yes?
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: They do have hunting times in there. Yeah, Okay, usually
• 45:11
  Speaker 2: it starts up because they have Turkey season and then
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: they also have deer season, and then they run where
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: you can hunt for elk, but you have to they
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: keep that to a minimum. It's like you have to
• 45:21
  Speaker 2: do a lottery to get a ticket, right, But yeah,
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: they definitely have hunting seasons down there.
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: Yes, And and the people in the area that live there,
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: because you know a Laura about about I'm so interested
• 45:33
  Speaker 1: in the area. Whenever I make enough money with this podcast,
• 45:36
  Speaker 1: I suppose because I'm broke as hell, uh to Yeah,
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: I left I left everything to to avoid getting the
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: the jabber Uski. That's why I came to Mexico. I
• 45:49
  Speaker 1: was living in Germany and they were like, yeah, you're
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: gonna have to take this, and me and myx wife
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: are like, no, we're not, and we left everything house.
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: I don't blame, Yeah, don't blame.
• 45:59
  Speaker 1: The turns out that I'm right, and so that's fine,
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: you know, according to my my limited you know, or
• 46:08
  Speaker 1: I don't know, you know. Any who. Yeah, it's it's
• 46:11
  Speaker 1: just one of those areas that it's just it's just interesting.
• 46:13
  Speaker 1: Crap of that one in eastern Tennessee. That just it's
• 46:16
  Speaker 1: just one of those yeah, you know, like Scott Carpenter's area.
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: It's like, what is this? This place is crazy? So
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: what are the people around the areas? There's many little
• 46:24
  Speaker 1: talents and stuff around there. What are they telling you about?
• 46:27
  Speaker 1: Do they do they go in or is it like
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: just known or is this like under the radar. It's
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: not like Roswell, but it's got to be something like that.
• 46:37
  Speaker 3: No.
• 46:39
  Speaker 2: I think most of the descendants of the families that
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: lived there and removed from there, they're not real fond
• 46:50
  Speaker 2: of the of the Beast of Lbel story. There are
• 46:54
  Speaker 2: a handful that we'll talk about it that have come
• 46:58
  Speaker 2: in into LBL.
• 46:59
  Speaker 1: To look, this is right. The BACTLBL story is the
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: family of Florida one camping that.
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Just yeah, in nineteen eighty.
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: One was found up a tree. Is that correct?
• 47:13
  Speaker 3: You know?
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: That's the way the story goes, is what the little
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: girl was found in the tree, according to the story.
• 47:20
  Speaker 1: According to the story. Yeah, so I didn't have a
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: I didn't have a gentleman on who wrote the Beast
• 47:24
  Speaker 1: of the LBL Steve Caldwell or Callswell. Yeah, I had
• 47:27
  Speaker 1: him on too. Yeah, yeah, okay, so I know the story.
• 47:29
  Speaker 1: Then it was on a campground, and now the campground
• 47:31
  Speaker 1: is like I think it's blocked off, isn't it.
• 47:34
  Speaker 2: Uh, you can walk down in there. I'll walk down
• 47:36
  Speaker 2: in there multiple times. I do a lot of camping
• 47:42
  Speaker 2: and I've done tent camping. We have our camper, so
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: I've done both of those. And of course the area
• 47:50
  Speaker 2: could definitely have been reclaimed by the forest. But if
• 47:55
  Speaker 2: you walk down in there to your right side, you
• 47:59
  Speaker 2: will start seeing some foundations, some block foundations that are left.
• 48:05
  Speaker 2: There's two loops. So if it was a campground, it
• 48:08
  Speaker 2: was really small. But like I said, part of it
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: could have been overgrown and just the forest took it back.
• 48:15
  Speaker 2: At the end of it, there are two what a
• 48:19
  Speaker 2: lot of people will refer to as the bunkers, and
• 48:22
  Speaker 2: they are two concrete block buildings and they're not very big.
• 48:29
  Speaker 2: One of them, to me does look like a water cistern.
• 48:33
  Speaker 2: I will say that it does look like a water cistern.
• 48:36
  Speaker 2: The other one, I don't know what it is. When
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: you see it, it's concrete block, it's covered on top,
• 48:43
  Speaker 2: it has rebar in it, okay, because some of the
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: concrete has worn away and you can see that it
• 48:49
  Speaker 2: was made with rebar. And the doorway is facing the hill.
• 48:56
  Speaker 2: So who is making a building where you walk into it?
• 48:59
  Speaker 2: But you you've got to squeeze in, I mean not
• 49:02
  Speaker 2: like you. It's a tight fit. But yeah, there's a
• 49:04
  Speaker 2: heel and then there's the doorway and there's no hinges.
• 49:09
  Speaker 2: It's just concrete block and it's it's I don't know
• 49:14
  Speaker 2: what that is. So I've heard different theories about that.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: I've seen it multiple times, been in it multiple times.
• 49:22
  Speaker 2: Just don't know what that could have been used for
• 49:26
  Speaker 2: and that that is.
• 49:28
  Speaker 1: There seems to be a lot of investigators that go
• 49:29
  Speaker 1: into this area like at a certain time of the year,
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: at a certain time of the year, they tend to
• 49:34
  Speaker 1: go a lot.
• 49:35
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: I've talked to Darryl Denton and many others about this area.
• 49:39
  Speaker 1: It's just it's just it's just one of those places.
• 49:42
  Speaker 1: And then, like when I seen you on the Magical
• 49:43
  Speaker 1: Journey podcast, you were camping literally right in front of it.
• 49:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 49:48
  Speaker 1: Check her out. Oh they checked her out. I gotta
• 49:51
  Speaker 1: I gotta talk to her. I gotta have her on.
• 49:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah. We were there later that night and just sitting
• 50:00
  Speaker 2: to listen, and there were footsteps that just kept walking
• 50:03
  Speaker 2: around our car. We never saw anybody. And get this,
• 50:08
  Speaker 2: this was weird. While we're sitting there, I'm with my husband,
• 50:12
  Speaker 2: I'm with my daughter, who is thirty six, and we're
• 50:16
  Speaker 2: hearing these footsteps. She's got her phone on recording, and
• 50:20
  Speaker 2: she keeps saying, are you hearing those footsteps? And I'm like, yeah. Well,
• 50:23
  Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, I start hearing a hum
• 50:27
  Speaker 2: and I'm like, what is that hum? And I asked
• 50:30
  Speaker 2: my daughter, I said, do you hear that? She said, yeah,
• 50:33
  Speaker 2: I do. I said, you know what, that sounds like
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: a frequency. The next morning, there was an earthquake in Tennessee.
• 50:43
  Speaker 2: They reported the earthquake in tennisee. H, that's weird. Yeah,
• 50:54
  Speaker 2: I didn't know what it was. You know, it was
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: like one in the morning, and I was like, what
• 50:59
  Speaker 2: are my.
• 51:01
  Speaker 1: I was watched that movie Phenomenon with the John Travolta
• 51:04
  Speaker 1: where he was he was able to tell that there
• 51:07
  Speaker 1: was a earthquake. So you guys are out there doing
• 51:10
  Speaker 1: John tra Vulture movie next time no bottoms and Saturday
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: Fever but I'm sorry, sorry, please.
• 51:23
  Speaker 2: Saturday Night Fever. Then yeah, and something else that was
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: really weird. In December, my daughter went to uh Tennessee
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: and she walked that path that Scott Carpenter caught the
• 51:40
  Speaker 2: portal on when she got back to her hotel room. Now,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: she did it during the day, but when she got
• 51:47
  Speaker 2: back to her hotel room, her leg was aching a
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: little bit, her upper thigh was aching a little bit.
• 51:54
  Speaker 2: She thought it was just, you know, we'd hike to
• 51:56
  Speaker 2: this trail. We're in the mountains, we're hiking. You know,
• 51:59
  Speaker 2: I haven't been doing much exercise. My muscle's gonna hurt.
• 52:03
  Speaker 2: A week later, she was in the bed deathly ill,
• 52:07
  Speaker 2: and she ended up with a cat scratch fever bacteria,
• 52:13
  Speaker 2: and I went with her to have that lanced. And
• 52:16
  Speaker 2: the amount of infection that came out of that, and
• 52:19
  Speaker 2: it came out of nowhere. The doctor was like, I
• 52:21
  Speaker 2: haven't seen this in years, and it was really weird.
• 52:26
  Speaker 2: And the doctor asked her, well, do you have a cat.
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: She's like, well, it stays in the garage and it's
• 52:30
  Speaker 2: declawed and I don't really have it. You know, it's
• 52:33
  Speaker 2: not in the house, it's not in my lap. She
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: didn't have any cuts on her because the doctor said
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: that you can get the cat scratch bacteria from any animal,
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: and she does have dogs, and she said, well, maybe
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: the dogs looked your leg and you had a little
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: cut and that's what caused that bacteria. But it was
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: so bad that it killed one of her lymph nodes
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: in her leg. And yeah, she's she's had it lanced twice.
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: She's had multiple ultrasounds on it because they're watching that
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: lymph node. We just thought the timing was really weird.
• 53:10
  Speaker 2: It just came out of nowhere. And the first time
• 53:13
  Speaker 2: she noticed the pain was after walking that trail.
• 53:17
  Speaker 1: Right, So this this trail is Scott Carpenter. This video
• 53:21
  Speaker 1: you can find on his channel. Yes, there's a video
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: of him seeing a portal on this channel. Yes, Oh
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: my lord, I'm sleeping over here. I didn't know that
• 53:30
  Speaker 1: was I. Yes, I knew about the one where he's
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: like walking and it's like, I don't know, like forty
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: minutes into the video and you just see this big
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: foot's like run behind him or like one Dad wouldn't
• 53:43
  Speaker 1: scared the living but Jesus out of me. But I
• 53:45
  Speaker 1: didn't know there was a portal video. Okay, I don't
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: have to go. I could do some homework. So you're
• 53:50
  Speaker 1: gonna be You're gonna continue to go down to this
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: area or like, so, what is the next plans for
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: You're going to be writing another book or what is
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: it that you're going to be doing.
• 53:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, I am writing another book. It's going to be
• 54:00
  Speaker 2: about our generational paranormal events that have happened through my
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: life because I think it's centered around my mom and
• 54:11
  Speaker 2: my biological dad because they delved into it and I
• 54:14
  Speaker 2: think they opened up they did. They did that, they
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: had seances. My paternal grandmother was into the paranormal very deeply,
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: so she passed on to her son, which was my
• 54:30
  Speaker 2: dad and my mom started messing with it when she
• 54:33
  Speaker 2: married my biological dad. So it's a generational thing and
• 54:38
  Speaker 2: so I'm going to write about that.
• 54:40
  Speaker 1: Wow, that sounds interesting.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, I've been to the bill twice this year,
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: plan on going back soon. And that other area in
• 54:53
  Speaker 2: Anderson County, Kentucky, now Small Town Monsters has done two
• 54:57
  Speaker 2: documentaries on that area and Anderson County, Kentucky. This is
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: another small area, but it is had years of Bigfoot
• 55:09
  Speaker 2: sightings and it's close to Taylorsville Lake. So if anyone
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: is familiar with Anderson County and Taylorsville Lake Wildcat Road,
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: it's just year's worth of sightings, not only Bigfoot, but
• 55:23
  Speaker 2: orbes ghost stories. And I will tell you that every
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: single time I have been to this area, we have
• 55:31
  Speaker 2: picked something up. I get light anomalies in all every
• 55:36
  Speaker 2: single time I've gone down there. The light anomalies are crazy.
• 55:40
  Speaker 2: And those pictures that I sent you that show some
• 55:44
  Speaker 2: things are from that area, and we're going to go
• 55:48
  Speaker 2: go back there in just just a couple of weeks.
• 55:51
  Speaker 1: This here, yes, well, this figure standing in the whatever
• 55:57
  Speaker 1: that is this is? This is in Anderson County.
• 56:00
  Speaker 2: Back in Anderson County, Kentucky. Yes, yes, yes, we do
• 56:07
  Speaker 2: not know what that is. We went back. We did
• 56:10
  Speaker 2: not see it. But what happened was we were heading
• 56:15
  Speaker 2: to a different area and we heard the coyotes starting,
• 56:20
  Speaker 2: so we stopped and started taking pictures because we heard
• 56:23
  Speaker 2: the coyotes. I took a picture at I think it
• 56:27
  Speaker 2: was ten thirty seven PM I believe it was, and
• 56:33
  Speaker 2: there was nothing in my picture. Two minutes later, my
• 56:36
  Speaker 2: daughter took a picture. That's my picture, and you don't
• 56:40
  Speaker 2: see it in that you don't see anything. It is
• 56:43
  Speaker 2: a little bit blurry though, compared to the pictures the
• 56:46
  Speaker 2: trees over to the left. This is the picture my
• 56:49
  Speaker 2: daughter took two minutes later. And that is that something
• 56:54
  Speaker 2: a faulk Yeah, yeah. Now this was in November of
• 56:59
  Speaker 2: twenty four and it was the night of the supermoon.
• 57:05
  Speaker 1: Alf Santa Rica al Cerca always tells me about the supermoan.
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: What's interesting. It looks like it's standing there with its
• 57:15
  Speaker 1: shoulder like it's like like in kind of like boughty derision,
• 57:18
  Speaker 1: like just looking at you, like, all right, take your picture.
• 57:22
  Speaker 1: This is what it strikes me as it's like all right,
• 57:24
  Speaker 1: you know, like your mom's washing dishes. And you're like,
• 57:27
  Speaker 1: tell her out, my mom, take a picture, and like
• 57:28
  Speaker 1: she's all right, and it's what it looks like to me.
• 57:31
  Speaker 1: Whatever it is, it's striking.
• 57:34
  Speaker 2: No, we don't know what that is. What's interesting is
• 57:38
  Speaker 2: we went back the next weekend so we could go
• 57:41
  Speaker 2: back during the day and do some comparison pictures. My daughter,
• 57:46
  Speaker 2: who is about five six, she walked down and the
• 57:51
  Speaker 2: tree farthest to the right, that's kind of leaning a
• 57:54
  Speaker 2: little bit.
• 57:55
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 57:56
  Speaker 2: She was barely up from the grass on that tree.
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: So that thing had to be like twelve to fifteen
• 58:04
  Speaker 2: feet tall. I'm not kidding you.
• 58:06
  Speaker 1: Oh wow, Yeah, because the perspective, because you can't there's
• 58:11
  Speaker 1: nothing really to give your perspective of the height of
• 58:13
  Speaker 1: the tree there. Okay, I understand.
• 58:15
  Speaker 2: Now, I do have a video on my Cryptic Kentucky
• 58:18
  Speaker 2: channel that shows these pictures, and it shows us going
• 58:22
  Speaker 2: back and her walking down there for the comparison pictures
• 58:26
  Speaker 2: of what that looked like and how tiny she was
• 58:30
  Speaker 2: compared to whatever that was standing there.
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: Well, can you tell me about Anna, What can you
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: tell me about this picture?
• 58:37
  Speaker 2: Okay, it's the same area and we do a lot
• 58:41
  Speaker 2: of investigating with war criminal I don't know if you've
• 58:46
  Speaker 2: heard about her war criminals thing before, but he does
• 58:49
  Speaker 2: a lot of investigating with us, and he kept telling us,
• 58:54
  Speaker 2: I'm seeing a dark figure back here in the woods,
• 58:59
  Speaker 2: and I just started snapping pictures and this is blown
• 59:04
  Speaker 2: up a little bit. But over to the left that
• 59:07
  Speaker 2: that dark figure, it looks like it's got legs. That
• 59:10
  Speaker 2: looks like a shadow figure to me.
• 59:13
  Speaker 1: It looks like looks like a steming pigeon toad.
• 59:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it does. And then over to the right and
• 59:21
  Speaker 2: between the split of that lighter colored tree, you see
• 59:25
  Speaker 2: a face and it's very bigfoot like.
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: Up and it's up up about three quarters of the
• 59:33
  Speaker 1: way up.
• 59:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so so so okay, I want to try to
• 59:41
  Speaker 1: tie this together. So you going out and doing this
• 59:44
  Speaker 1: investigations and meeting with these people as has been helping
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: you deal with your lifetime of paranormal activity.
• 59:52
  Speaker 2: It has helped, yeah, yeah, it is. And for my
• 59:58
  Speaker 2: daughter too. My daughter, he is very much of an impath,
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 2: and she has lived with paranormal events through her life.
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 2: You know, multiple times when she was growing up, she
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 2: had things happen to her and she was very scared.
• 1:00:17
  Speaker 2: She was very scared, and I coaxed her into coming
• 1:00:20
  Speaker 2: with me to the.
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: L b O.
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  Speaker 2: And even though she was absolutely terrified to the point
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 2: she wanted to puke at times, she has overcome her fear.
• 1:00:33
  Speaker 1: Wow, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. The paranormal scares the crap
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 1: out of me. But I think I think a crypt
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 1: would scare me even more because it's like in your state,
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 1: it's like it's right there and everyone's like, I see it.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know, man, I don't know how you how
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 1: do you do this that helps you overcome your fear
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 1: by confronting it? Is that what you're telling me?
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah? And to know that for in my opinion
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 2: and just for me personally, I know that they have
• 1:01:06
  Speaker 2: to they're they're bound by rules. In my opinion. For me,
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 2: that's how it's worked out for me personally. If I
• 1:01:19
  Speaker 2: call on the name Jesus Christ, they leave me alone.
• 1:01:22
  Speaker 1: Oh. I've heard this before. And I am not a Christian,
• 1:01:27
  Speaker 1: but I am a man of God. People know that
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 1: if you know my channel. And there's been times where
• 1:01:32
  Speaker 1: I've been I've experienced things on my I bought ten
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: acres in the middle of the jungle here and there's
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: I've heard voices and seen this weird shit excuse my language,
• 1:01:42
  Speaker 1: or some weird stuff out there too, And there was
• 1:01:45
  Speaker 1: there was a time where I had to do it
• 1:01:48
  Speaker 1: as well. And I do know the power of that
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 1: name and the power that it holds in the way
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: that it holds over this don't know what that means.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 1: That's okay with me, and I'm sure it's okay with you.
• 1:01:59
  Speaker 1: And that helps, which I know it does because I
• 1:02:03
  Speaker 1: was just like, you know, hey, you know, big big
• 1:02:06
  Speaker 1: j C helped me out here, bro, Like you know,
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: let's because I've been hearing about it, you know, I
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: you know about rebuking and things of that nature. Scott
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: Scott Carpenter was a big about rebuking and Dale had
• 1:02:18
  Speaker 1: to rebuke rebuke these from the from his property. And
• 1:02:22
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so I kind of know a
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 1: little bit about it. I was like, okay for this instance,
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 1: you know, I mean, it wasn't you know. This is
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: nothing against anyone's religion or their beliefs. I'm not using
• 1:02:31
  Speaker 1: it as like a well, you know, I got a
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: band aid now I'll just go ahead and rip that off.
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 1: It's not like that. It's just like, okay, let's see
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: if this holds anyway, and it does, so I believe
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: you you know what I mean. And there's people like
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: you know, Jim Jim Powell from the Night's Watch, who
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: was like, you know, all these things are demonic. It's
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: all all of us demonic, Dude, trust me, don't don't
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: play with it. And I go, I don't know if
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 1: it's all demonic. I don't know what it is, but
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: I won't play with it. Is that fair enough? He goes, Okay, Tom,
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: we're good. So and I think you know.
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 2: And you know, there is a side of the creation
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 2: to that. If we're out there antagonizing, if that's the
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: way these entities feel. Now, I'm of the opinion that
• 1:03:15
  Speaker 2: all of this is connected. The paranormal, the and humanoid cryptids,
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 2: the UFO phenomenon, the orbs. Yes, I think it's all
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: connected in my opinion. I know others. I totally respect
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: others opinions because everybody has had different experiences exactly, Yeah,
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 2: they've had We've had different experiences. For me, the studies
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 2: that I have done has linked it all together for me,
• 1:03:43
  Speaker 2: and so I feel like I have answers for myself
• 1:03:47
  Speaker 2: and I feel much better about that. But there is
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: that flip side you're out there and should you be
• 1:03:53
  Speaker 2: out there taunting? If that's what these things may consider it,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: should you really be doing that? But the LBU is
• 1:04:06
  Speaker 2: for a lot of people, it calls to him.
• 1:04:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, But at the same thing, like for Martin Groves,
• 1:04:15
  Speaker 1: For Martin Groves, he wasn't taunting. He was just out
• 1:04:17
  Speaker 1: there hunting and it's just he just got hitting the
• 1:04:20
  Speaker 1: hitting the face with a sledgehammer with whatever this is
• 1:04:24
  Speaker 1: out there, So like, how is he taunting?
• 1:04:26
  Speaker 2: You know what I mean?
• 1:04:27
  Speaker 1: But if you're like.
• 1:04:32
  Speaker 2: And I wasn't mean that people go out there to
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 2: do that specifically, I'm wondering if the entities sometimes feel like, well,
• 1:04:39
  Speaker 2: here they are out here again trying to mess with us,
• 1:04:42
  Speaker 2: you know, that's right, right?
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 1: They don't know the difference. Yeah, I understand what you
• 1:04:45
  Speaker 1: mean too. It's just I didn't mean it that way.
• 1:04:47
  Speaker 1: I don't infer that at all. It's not what I
• 1:04:48
  Speaker 1: mean by that. It's just like when you hear taunting.
• 1:04:51
  Speaker 1: So just as for the listening audience, like you know,
• 1:04:53
  Speaker 1: you're like, you know, you're watching these ghost shows like
• 1:04:55
  Speaker 1: our show, yourself say something and it's just so impersonal,
• 1:05:00
  Speaker 1: like you know if these if I say this is
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 1: just go through the you know, they're it's all connectable.
• 1:05:05
  Speaker 1: When you say paranormal, it kind of puts you in
• 1:05:06
  Speaker 1: this little box. When people go into these houses and
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 1: these places and these sanitariums and these old jails and stuff,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 1: you know, they're they're gonna lost my train of thought there.
• 1:05:16
  Speaker 1: But like you know, the at one time, if you
• 1:05:20
  Speaker 1: subscribe to any of this, you know, or ascribe one
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 1: of those two words, uh, you would know that it's
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 1: at some point in time if you believe these are
• 1:05:30
  Speaker 1: an entity, that they were a human too, and you
• 1:05:33
  Speaker 1: should still wherever they are, whatever this is, you should
• 1:05:37
  Speaker 1: always I think you should always do it with a
• 1:05:39
  Speaker 1: certain matter, a certain matter of respect, and uh, it's important.
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 1: Excuse me, Yeah, yeah, this is. This has been one
• 1:05:48
  Speaker 1: of those interviews where it's all over the map. It's
• 1:05:50
  Speaker 1: basically just kind of like talking to each other as
• 1:05:52
  Speaker 1: if like we're at a waffle house right now and
• 1:05:56
  Speaker 1: we're just right and we don't know what's going on.
• 1:05:58
  Speaker 1: It's just one of those things that I don't know
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: what we're gonna I don't know what the title to show,
• 1:06:02
  Speaker 1: but it's it's it's it's just been fun to talk
• 1:06:06
  Speaker 1: with you. It's been it's been very fun to talk
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 1: with you, because it's like a moniker of the show.
• 1:06:12
  Speaker 1: I always enjoy people doing what it is that they
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 1: enjoy doing. If it's if it's confronting your fears and
• 1:06:17
  Speaker 1: this doing this helps you in your life, it makes
• 1:06:19
  Speaker 1: you become one with yourself, you know, centering yourself. I'm
• 1:06:23
  Speaker 1: a little more Eastern mysticism in the way I think
• 1:06:26
  Speaker 1: about things. But if it helps you become closer to
• 1:06:28
  Speaker 1: Christ or whatever it is that you believe in, or
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 1: it helps you come with some answers because now you
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 1: can kind of look at it through an adult's I
• 1:06:37
  Speaker 1: you know, or have friends with you, or like, you know,
• 1:06:40
  Speaker 1: it's okay, this is okay. I think that's I think
• 1:06:43
  Speaker 1: that is just awesome. And I really appreciate that you
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 1: came on and talk with me today, even though we
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 1: had twenty minutes of like I can't hear you.
• 1:06:49
  Speaker 2: To and and in greg O will Spailm. I had
• 1:06:56
  Speaker 2: a short interview, okay, lay in between lakes I, me
• 1:07:01
  Speaker 2: and Leticia. We had an interview because we had a
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: crazy experience in May of twenty three when we were
• 1:07:08
  Speaker 2: down there. We saw something down there. We don't know
• 1:07:11
  Speaker 2: what it was. We don't know how to classify it.
• 1:07:14
  Speaker 2: That night was crazy. Do you have time for me
• 1:07:18
  Speaker 2: to talk about that? Okay? So this was May of
• 1:07:23
  Speaker 2: the first weekend of May of twenty three, I believe
• 1:07:27
  Speaker 2: it was. There was a full moon that weekend too.
• 1:07:30
  Speaker 2: It was about eleven o'clock at night. There was a
• 1:07:32
  Speaker 2: group of us camping and we decided, let's go out
• 1:07:35
  Speaker 2: and let's do some investigating. So there was two cars,
• 1:07:39
  Speaker 2: a war Criminal and Gabby and Elijah Henderson and then
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 2: me and Michelle and Letitia and we got out there.
• 1:07:48
  Speaker 2: We drove the trace. As we're driving down the trace,
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 2: things felt really heavy that night, and we saw the
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 2: moon in the distance and it was like bright orange almost,
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 2: and the flowers around it were lit up, you know,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 2: with that orange color, and it as soon as we
• 1:08:07
  Speaker 2: made a turn and we saw that moon in front
• 1:08:10
  Speaker 2: of us, all three of us were like, oh, because
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: it was so pretty. I did take some pictures, but
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: you know, taking pictures of the moon on your cell
• 1:08:17
  Speaker 2: phone just does not do it justice at all. So
• 1:08:21
  Speaker 2: it didn't pick it up really good. So as we're
• 1:08:24
  Speaker 2: going down the trace, war Criminal was behind us. At
• 1:08:28
  Speaker 2: this point, the animals started coming out of the forest
• 1:08:32
  Speaker 2: to the trace to the road. It's a two lane road,
• 1:08:35
  Speaker 2: no emergency lanes. I'm not kidding you. We probably saw
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 2: hundreds of deer that night along the road. I don't
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 2: know how many times we had to swerve to miss
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 2: a deer. There was a beaver in the middle of
• 1:08:48
  Speaker 2: the road that we had to swerve and miss. Behind us.
• 1:08:51
  Speaker 2: War Criminals stocked his truck in the middle of the
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 2: road so Elijah could get out and film this beaver
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 2: that was in the middle of the road. It wasn't
• 1:08:57
  Speaker 2: run over nothing, it was just sitting there. We saw bats,
• 1:09:02
  Speaker 2: we saw multiple owls flying. It was just what felt
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 2: like the animals were being pushed out of the woods
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 2: towards the road. So we drive all the way down
• 1:09:15
  Speaker 2: to Boswell Landing. We get out, we do a little
• 1:09:19
  Speaker 2: investigating there. Every picture I tried to take down there
• 1:09:22
  Speaker 2: turned out like a big cloud was sitting in front
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 2: of my camera and I didn't get anything. So war
• 1:09:29
  Speaker 2: Criminal and gabbing, Elijah took off to go to Dover
• 1:09:33
  Speaker 2: and the three of us started headed back up the
• 1:09:35
  Speaker 2: trace to go back to our camp. Our campground and
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 2: as we're driving the trace, there's still all these animals out.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 2: So we've seen a bat, we know what they look like.
• 1:09:47
  Speaker 2: We've seen the owls flying past us that night. We
• 1:09:51
  Speaker 2: knew it was Now there was something sitting on the
• 1:09:55
  Speaker 2: side of the road. I don't know what it was,
• 1:10:00
  Speaker 2: but it had red piercing eyes looking right at us.
• 1:10:05
  Speaker 2: I'm talking laser red. It caught our attention. All three
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 2: of us hit the brakes. We were like, what is that.
• 1:10:13
  Speaker 2: It was beside a guardrail. It tended, It looked like
• 1:10:18
  Speaker 2: it raised up a little bit. It unfurled its wings
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 2: and looked exactly like bat wings, did not flap, its
• 1:10:26
  Speaker 2: wings twisted up and shot out of sight. We don't
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 2: know what that was.
• 1:10:33
  Speaker 1: Well, I mean my first my first reaction would be
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 1: it sounds like mothman.
• 1:10:37
  Speaker 2: That's what Leticia. When we got back to camp we
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 2: got out of the car, it was like, oh my gosh.
• 1:10:41
  Speaker 2: And Letitia's like, we just saw mini Mothman. She called
• 1:10:48
  Speaker 2: it mini Mothman, And so we're talking about that and.
• 1:10:53
  Speaker 1: Austin Powers movie mixed with the paranormal, so it.
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 2: Was just so weird and we started looking up. I
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 2: Christa from Blonds and Booze was there and she's looking
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: at Yeah, she was looking up trying to figure out
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: was there an animal in LBL that may have looked
• 1:11:13
  Speaker 2: like that? You know, was any any lore about the
• 1:11:17
  Speaker 2: area about anything like that. We couldn't find anything. And
• 1:11:20
  Speaker 2: so we're talking about that, and we mentioned the moon,
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: how the moon was just bright orange, almost red, and
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: Martin Groves and Bart was sitting there and they looked
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 2: at us and said, what are y'all talking about? The
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 2: Moon's just was just white. We're like, Noah, wasn't it
• 1:11:36
  Speaker 2: was bright freaking orange. And then like it's never been
• 1:11:40
  Speaker 2: that color. We've been sitting here at camp. Krist and
• 1:11:43
  Speaker 2: Brandy were there. They all said, the moon has been
• 1:11:46
  Speaker 2: white all night. But while we were out on the trace,
• 1:11:48
  Speaker 2: that's not what we saw. And even were Criminal Gabby
• 1:11:52
  Speaker 2: and Elijah saw the moon bright orange as well. So
• 1:11:57
  Speaker 2: here we are about ten minutes later, we're talking about
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 2: many off man, we're talking about the moon being different colors.
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, here comes war Criminal. Gabby gets
• 1:12:06
  Speaker 2: out of the car and she goes, we just saw
• 1:12:08
  Speaker 2: the beast of LBL. It had crossed over in front
• 1:12:11
  Speaker 2: of them as they were coming back up to the campsite.
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 2: Oh my god, and gay Gabby talks about her sighting
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: in that small town Monsters thing on lbl.
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 1: Okay, So, how big was this thing? If you said,
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 1: as a mini mothman, how large was it?
• 1:12:33
  Speaker 2: It looked like it looks it wasn't much taller than
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 2: the oh the guardrail, So I want to say it
• 1:12:43
  Speaker 2: probably wasn't over three feet tall.
• 1:12:46
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 2: It wasn't very tall.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 2: It was kind of hunched down and went up like this,
• 1:12:54
  Speaker 2: unfurled those wings like I said, never flyop those wings,
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 2: and its body twisted real quick, and it just shot
• 1:13:01
  Speaker 2: at like a missile out of sight. We don't know
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 2: what that was, but it mostly reminded us of like
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 2: a mini moth man.
• 1:13:11
  Speaker 1: That's a new one. That's a new one. I had
• 1:13:14
  Speaker 1: a gentleman. I had a gentleman on he's the representative
• 1:13:16
  Speaker 1: of the North American dog Man Project from Mississippi, Marcus Ellis,
• 1:13:21
  Speaker 1: And uh heuh he Like, it's just I haven't heard
• 1:13:26
  Speaker 1: that before. And I'm mentioning what I mentioned because I
• 1:13:28
  Speaker 1: never heard what he told me before either. He in
• 1:13:30
  Speaker 1: the middle of the woods, he saw I talked to
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: him yesterday. Actually he saw an eight foot by eight
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: foot black cube in the middle of the woods on
• 1:13:39
  Speaker 1: the road he drove. He parked off to the side,
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: walked out to the road a little ways, looked and
• 1:13:46
  Speaker 1: it was there. Got freaked out, went back to his truck.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 1: By the time he started his truck to drive out,
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: it disappeared. No tire tracks, no nothing, because it rained
• 1:13:54
  Speaker 1: the night before and all the tire tracks were his.
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: So there's more out there. And then we I think
• 1:14:01
  Speaker 1: what they said, the universe is not it's not a
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 1: stranger than you suppose. It's stranger than you can suppose.
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 1: You've heard of this, and I think that's what we're
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 1: experiencing it. It's a kind of a human nature to
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 1: like want to know what all this is because it's
• 1:14:17
  Speaker 1: not supposed to exist.
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 2: The Bible says nothing is new under the sun of
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 2: the sun. What will be will be again.
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: Oh okay, so you're you're you're kind of hinting towards
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 1: like revelations or something.
• 1:14:31
  Speaker 2: It's all well, no, just that it's all been here,
• 1:14:35
  Speaker 2: it's all here, it's all here. Yeah, just these things
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 2: are here and we either aren't seeing them. I think
• 1:14:46
  Speaker 2: they're for me. I think they're coming up out of portals. Okay,
• 1:14:50
  Speaker 2: in my opinion, I think there's window areas.
• 1:14:54
  Speaker 1: Okay, Google's seemed an interesting portal, the one where he
• 1:14:57
  Speaker 1: actually walked to the side and like he's seen the
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 1: angle of it, and then he got back it's and
• 1:15:03
  Speaker 1: instead it was like daylight. It was like a yellowish arm,
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 1: like it was like another dimension. And maybe that's some
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 1: of this full one one stuff where it's just it's
• 1:15:13
  Speaker 1: just you know, Trey Hudson in the Meadow Project and
• 1:15:16
  Speaker 1: what he's running into and the word, you know, it's
• 1:15:20
  Speaker 1: you know, you have to sign an indie NDA. I
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 1: always want to say NDE, but it's NDA ner deth
• 1:15:27
  Speaker 1: Experience and non Disclosure Agreement. The two different things time
• 1:15:30
  Speaker 1: they're not mutually excuse exclusive. And it's just I think
• 1:15:38
  Speaker 1: a lot of this things have always been here, Like
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 1: you're saying, it's just now instead of us, you know,
• 1:15:44
  Speaker 1: we're being in an American we can you know, instead
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 1: of like scratching to feed ourselves like where I'm in
• 1:15:52
  Speaker 1: the world here, like people are having a hard time
• 1:15:54
  Speaker 1: just feeding themselves because of how bad the economic situation is,
• 1:15:57
  Speaker 1: so they don't even see it, you know, you know,
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 1: down here, it's more like you know, witches and witchcraft
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 1: and weird stuff that hair alt a lot of you know,
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: and death cult stuff, you know, with the the mixture
• 1:16:08
  Speaker 1: mixture of Catholicism and Mayan stuff. It's a little weird
• 1:16:11
  Speaker 1: down here too. Yeah, it's this. I went to a
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 1: cemetery recently here. You never seen nothing like that. There
• 1:16:17
  Speaker 1: is no planning whatsoever. You can't get to other tombs
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 1: without walking on other tombs. It's it's impossible.
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 2: Wow.
• 1:16:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's spooky as hell, dude. So you know,
• 1:16:29
  Speaker 1: uh so these places that are like kind of like
• 1:16:32
  Speaker 1: out of the way, like protect it. We haven't gone
• 1:16:36
  Speaker 1: in there. It still has that gnosis of the original time,
• 1:16:40
  Speaker 1: even like the Native Americans are here and we're running
• 1:16:43
  Speaker 1: into it again. You know, we're we're we're like, okay,
• 1:16:45
  Speaker 1: so on the weekends, we don't have to like you know,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: work because to feed our family, we can actually go
• 1:16:50
  Speaker 1: do leisure activities. And then people are going into the
• 1:16:53
  Speaker 1: forest and we're running into this stuff, and I think
• 1:16:56
  Speaker 1: the government knows about it, and you're just like, you
• 1:17:01
  Speaker 1: know what I mean, like if Israel, you know, that's
• 1:17:03
  Speaker 1: what's going on in the world right Now, guys, if
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  Speaker 1: Israel can like bomb nuclear scientists and know where they are,
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  Speaker 1: or have the leader of the government or whatever, not
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  Speaker 1: that guy, but then the one below him four days
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  Speaker 1: later also be off because I know where he is.
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  Speaker 1: You mean to tell me the US government doesn't know
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  Speaker 1: that there's cryptis running around in the forest and in
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  Speaker 1: the man It has to be, and the reason for
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  Speaker 1: it is probably because we're not ready for it or
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  Speaker 1: some probably probably to do with money, but I don't know.
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  Speaker 1: It's it's it's a weird world and I'm here for it.
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  Speaker 2: You know.
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  Speaker 1: I enjoy the odds. I enjoyed the oddity of it.
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  Speaker 1: What about you?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I do enjoy it. And for me, getting out
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  Speaker 2: and doing the investigating has allowed me to be more
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  Speaker 2: confident in myself and reach an understanding. And that's what
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  Speaker 2: my entire life was. What I was looking for was
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  Speaker 2: an understanding, And for me personally, I have found that
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  Speaker 2: understanding for myself of what this stuff is for me personally.
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  Speaker 1: That's beautiful. That's a beautiful thing to say that. Do
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  Speaker 1: you also imagine there's times where it's not all speaky speaky,
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  Speaker 1: spooky and creepy. That's two words mixed together there, spooky.
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  Speaker 1: My girlfriend's laughing at me. Speaky. There's also moments where
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  Speaker 1: you don't where you're not in sheer terror or talking
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  Speaker 1: to somebody or investigating, you're just kind of in the
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  Speaker 1: woods by yourself, sitting there. And you also probably have
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  Speaker 1: that deep connection with your creator as well, I imagine,
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  Speaker 1: because that's what I do.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, I in the forest.
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  Speaker 1: I love it.
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  Speaker 2: Yes it is. It is a beautiful place. There was
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  Speaker 2: one evening that we went to the last residence home
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  Speaker 2: of LBL. That's a sad story they.
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  Speaker 1: Hold out.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, yes, he was a military and he came home.
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  Speaker 2: You know back then they called it shell shocked.
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  Speaker 1: Oh h yeah, right.
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  Speaker 2: He just wanted to be home. He wanted to be
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  Speaker 2: at his childhood home, and they kept removing him from
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  Speaker 2: that home, and eventually, I don't know if it was
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  Speaker 2: the Forestry Service that had the say so at that
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  Speaker 2: point in time, or if it was still the TVA
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  Speaker 2: that had control over LBL at that time, but they
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  Speaker 2: just allowed him to stay at home. And uh, that
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  Speaker 2: house is still standing in LBL. It's falling down, but
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  Speaker 2: it's got a fence around that you can't go inside it.
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  Speaker 2: So we went there at night and while we're standing
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  Speaker 2: out there, now this is close to Fort Campbell, too
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  Speaker 2: close to Fort Campbell. I'm with war criminal and another
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  Speaker 2: lady and it's dark, there's no lights nothing. Black Hawk
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  Speaker 2: comes over and strobes us while we're staying in there.
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  Speaker 1: Wow, because Fort Campbell is the home of the Ariossault aerosault. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'm a former I'm a former vet myself. I didn't
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  Speaker 1: go to Fort Campbell, but I know about it. Oh yeah,
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 1: there's so many, Oh, black helicopters all the time. You know,
• 1:20:26
  Speaker 1: Alex Shones all that black helicopters, like gras impersonation if
• 1:20:30
  Speaker 1: you ask me, and you know this guy, he says
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: so many things. But there's been so many instances where like,
• 1:20:38
  Speaker 1: you know, a big foot will show up or something
• 1:20:40
  Speaker 1: like that, or you'll go to the location and the
• 1:20:43
  Speaker 1: men in Blackpool you over, you can't go to no more,
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  Speaker 1: or there's these helicopters. So I don't I don't think
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  Speaker 1: that Fort Campbell being there is a thing. I think
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  Speaker 1: it's just I think it's just I think you just
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  Speaker 1: ran into an area that what makes like, what are
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  Speaker 1: they doing? Well? Could they be doing some type of
• 1:21:01
  Speaker 1: some type of exercise or something like that, and they
• 1:21:03
  Speaker 1: just this house.
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know, but it was weird.
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  Speaker 2: We could hear them doing maneuvers in the distance. You
• 1:21:12
  Speaker 2: could hear, you know, they were setting off, but to
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 2: fly that helicopter over where we were and then strobe
• 1:21:22
  Speaker 2: us as we're standing on the ground. I was actually
• 1:21:25
  Speaker 2: filming at the time, and I put it on pause
• 1:21:30
  Speaker 2: because we had a voice box out and we were
• 1:21:33
  Speaker 2: trying to get something to come through, and it was
• 1:21:38
  Speaker 2: we won't film you if you'll talk to us, So
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  Speaker 2: I paused, and as soon as I paused, here comes
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  Speaker 2: that helicopter and we're all lit up from being stroved
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  Speaker 2: by this helicopter.
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  Speaker 1: And then it goes and then like the paranormal entity there.
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  Speaker 1: I was like, well, I guess I'm not going to
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  Speaker 1: talk now. I mean, it's like a kind of like
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 1: lights camera action and then like you know, like vaudeville
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 1: with a light shining down on the stage and he's
• 1:22:01
  Speaker 1: just like I'm out.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, that was weird. And I was fumbling with my
• 1:22:07
  Speaker 2: phone and trying to hit the pause to unpause it
• 1:22:10
  Speaker 2: so I could start video and again, and I got
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 2: it going away, but I didn't catch it as we
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 2: were being lit up while they did that when they
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 2: flew over us. It was weird. Just something like that
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 2: happens all the time down in there. Like when I
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 2: was being interviewed by Daniel, here comes a ranger because
• 1:22:27
  Speaker 2: there's a missing persons down.
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  Speaker 1: There, right, I remember that. I remember that. I was
• 1:22:32
  Speaker 1: on that live watching you talk and he was very nice.
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: He was very cultural. He was just like, ma'am, I'm
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 1: doing a live stream and he's like, yeah, there's a
• 1:22:44
  Speaker 1: person I heard were looking for. Have you seen a
• 1:22:46
  Speaker 1: truck driving down the road. You're like, no, I haven't
• 1:22:47
  Speaker 1: seen anything. So it's there's so many like ripped up
• 1:22:51
  Speaker 1: tents there, like just people just like flocked to that
• 1:22:54
  Speaker 1: area for some reason. It's a weird, weird place.
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we have found clothes just slan you know, it's
• 1:23:02
  Speaker 2: just weird.
• 1:23:04
  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I know want to call it.
• 1:23:06
  Speaker 1: I'm call this one stories from the LBL. That's what
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna call it. The malformation of stuff. So, and
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  Speaker 1: I really appreciate you coming on this evening. Uh, it's
• 1:23:17
  Speaker 1: been a blast. I'm glad that you're able to make
• 1:23:20
  Speaker 1: you laugh. You we're a little uncomfortable at the beginning
• 1:23:22
  Speaker 1: trying to get this audio situation fixed, but it all
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 1: turned out and I'm glad to have met you. It's
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: been very pleasant. I really appreciate it. Could you please
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  Speaker 1: do me a favorite Send me all your links you
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: want to send me, you know, for your books. Uh,
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: and send me that that that Scott Carpenter link that
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: we were talking about. I gotta look at that. Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So I appreciate it, and thanks for coming on all
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  Speaker 1: more time. Thank you.
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  Speaker 2: Well, thank you so much for having me. I appreciate it.
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  Speaker 1: All right. All right, guys, So that was Anna. Uh
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: she has three names, and the last one's Jones. Okay,
• 1:23:58
  Speaker 1: what say that was Anna kab with Jones. Ladies and gentlemen,
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  Speaker 1: remember we are the I we are aware. I love
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  Speaker 1: you all, and you have yourself a wonderful day.
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  Speaker 3: I think of them?
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  Speaker 1: Was the huss
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  Speaker 3: In the husband