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A.J. Barrette and Jordan Whelan: Still Remains | Furnace Fest 2025 Series · The BlackSheep Podcast: Presented by HM Magazine

• 0:10
  Speaker 1: Slap for God.
• 0:12
  Speaker 2: Why today we've got a j and Jordan from Still
• 0:33
  Speaker 2: Remains super excited to chat with you guys. You know
• 0:35
  Speaker 2: we're joking about this a little bit before we started recording.
• 0:39
  Speaker 2: But I gotta say, when I think of metalcore bands
• 0:44
  Speaker 2: from Grand Rapids, and knowing enough about Grand Rapids, like
• 0:48
  Speaker 2: Colin and I grew up in the evangelical world, I'm
• 0:50
  Speaker 2: pretty pretty aware of, you know, the the meccas of evangelicalism,
• 0:54
  Speaker 2: like Colorado Springs is another one.
• 0:56
  Speaker 3: Uh.
• 0:57
  Speaker 2: I will say when I think of like bands from
• 1:01
  Speaker 2: Grand Rapids, and I just immediately assume like Christian bands,
• 1:04
  Speaker 2: and then I assume you're you hear like a metalcore band.
• 1:08
  Speaker 2: All of a sudden, I think of like, oh, it's
• 1:09
  Speaker 2: gotta be a Christian metalcore band, but somehow Still Remains
• 1:14
  Speaker 2: is not a Christian metalcore band. But somehow there's a
• 1:17
  Speaker 2: similar band that sounds very similar to your guys's name
• 1:21
  Speaker 2: that is called All That Remains. And so for years
• 1:24
  Speaker 2: I've just assumed you guys were the same band, and
• 1:26
  Speaker 2: then just now realized, probably like a few weeks ago,
• 1:29
  Speaker 2: I was like, wait, different, not the exact same band,
• 1:33
  Speaker 2: This is two different bands, Like I don't know. I know,
• 1:40
  Speaker 2: I know it's not a the Nelson Mandela effect, but
• 1:43
  Speaker 2: it's got to be something like that where I just
• 1:45
  Speaker 2: for all these years thought you guys were the same
• 1:47
  Speaker 2: band and then just realized, Nope, there's actually two different bands.
• 1:50
  Speaker 2: One that's called Still Remains and is called I believe they.
• 1:56
  Speaker 4: Call that not the Mandela effect but stupidity.
• 2:01
  Speaker 2: Well, as I like to say, I am from South Dakota,
• 2:04
  Speaker 2: so there is a very great likelihood that that's the case.
• 2:09
  Speaker 4: I'll take living under a rock syndrome.
• 2:11
  Speaker 2: There we go, right, that's right. Well, with all that said, though,
• 2:15
  Speaker 2: you know, I'm sure you guys have fun stories about
• 2:18
  Speaker 2: being misidentified as All That Remains. But before we dive
• 2:22
  Speaker 2: into some of those fun stories, how are you guys
• 2:24
  Speaker 2: doing today? Are doing and doing?
• 2:26
  Speaker 5: Jordan good? I? Uh, sunburned? I'm just much color?
• 2:32
  Speaker 4: What are you sunburned from? Oh?
• 2:33
  Speaker 5: Dude, I spent on the four hours yesterday in a
• 2:36
  Speaker 5: pool and I'm usually the guy that always stays in
• 2:39
  Speaker 5: the shade. I hate going outside. But I was even
• 2:43
  Speaker 5: texting with mor Is.
• 2:45
  Speaker 2: The is the Grand Rapids Pool Lake, Superior.
• 2:48
  Speaker 3: Lake, Michigan.
• 2:49
  Speaker 2: Almost a lot of right, you guys are closer to
• 2:52
  Speaker 2: Lake Michigan than you are of Lake Superior, aren't you.
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  Speaker 5: Oh yeah no? But I was even texting on the
• 2:56
  Speaker 5: side of the AJ like way to I spent. I
• 3:00
  Speaker 5: haven't done an interview in six months and did the
• 3:04
  Speaker 5: day before this one. I happened to give about two
• 3:06
  Speaker 5: hours set your sunlight.
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  Speaker 2: Hey wow, I tell you what did that interview? Did
• 3:11
  Speaker 2: that interview misidentify you as all that remains?
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  Speaker 5: Actually? Yes, no, what's the best one? But once we
• 3:19
  Speaker 5: played a show in France and it's on the broad
• 3:22
  Speaker 5: Rage tour and our dressing room they thought our band
• 3:26
  Speaker 5: name was song ramanes So and g hell yeah raman So.
• 3:32
  Speaker 5: We shout up to our dressing room and were like
• 3:35
  Speaker 5: song Raman all right.
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  Speaker 4: That's a way better name. Oh yeah, yeah, let's You
• 3:41
  Speaker 4: should have rolled with that. You should have been like,
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  Speaker 4: this is our name now. Sorry to shoot on your
• 3:48
  Speaker 4: name so much in this first little bit, dude, I
• 3:50
  Speaker 4: blame Mason entirely.
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  Speaker 5: No, It's funny because over the years people have always asked, like,
• 3:55
  Speaker 5: you know, what's what's your band name mean? The doesn't
• 4:00
  Speaker 5: mean anything. We were I think TJ and I were
• 4:03
  Speaker 5: seventeen six eighteen when we came up with it, and
• 4:09
  Speaker 5: it was literally just trying to find a name that
• 4:12
  Speaker 5: sounds cool and it doesn't mean anything.
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  Speaker 4: Well, here's the question. Then, who was first? Still remains
• 4:19
  Speaker 4: or all that.
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  Speaker 5: Remains I think on paper, all that remains was but.
• 4:24
  Speaker 4: You guys just you guys just looked at their paper
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  Speaker 4: and yeah, exactly, we're going to follow.
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  Speaker 5: At that time, the only bands like I was listening
• 4:31
  Speaker 5: to was either Swedish metal or I don't know Zao
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  Speaker 5: so hell. Yeah, as great of a band as they are,
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  Speaker 5: we'd never we had never heard of them.
• 4:42
  Speaker 3: Never heard of them.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that's cool.
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  Speaker 4: We we make fun of our our friends at my
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  Speaker 4: Epic for their song title or threat for their band
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  Speaker 4: title as well, because at that time when my Epic
• 4:57
  Speaker 4: was kind of started, as when every one started calling
• 5:00
  Speaker 4: everything epic. I don't know if you guys remember that
• 5:03
  Speaker 4: timeframe is.
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  Speaker 2: Like a very millennial kind of term.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like two thousand and six through twenty twelve.
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  Speaker 4: Everything was epic. Yeah, yeah, and so it sounded like
• 5:13
  Speaker 4: a trendy name.
• 5:15
  Speaker 5: Same it brutal, that's like that's my word. Yeah, yeah,
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  Speaker 5: if it's good, it's brutal. If it's bad, it's.
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  Speaker 4: Brutal, or if it's or if it's really cool, it's
• 5:24
  Speaker 4: double brutal.
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  Speaker 2: You know. I I I like I want to say,
• 5:27
  Speaker 2: like I have some empathy for you all, Like you
• 5:30
  Speaker 2: mentioned like you're like, what's seventeen eighteen years old when
• 5:32
  Speaker 2: you're coming up with a band name? Like imagine like
• 5:35
  Speaker 2: all the other decisions you made at seventeen eighteen years old,
• 5:39
  Speaker 2: and like all most of those decisions, right, like have
• 5:43
  Speaker 2: no consequence on your life at this point. Right, maybe
• 5:46
  Speaker 2: some of them do, but like maybe the one that
• 5:49
  Speaker 2: has the most consequence on your life right now is
• 5:52
  Speaker 2: the band name for the band that you're still in
• 5:55
  Speaker 2: and the band that you're still playing shows and making,
• 5:59
  Speaker 2: you know, music, and like like you don't, like, you know,
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  Speaker 2: when you're seventeen eighteen years old, you don't realize like, oh,
• 6:06
  Speaker 2: this is gonna be a thing twenty years, twenty five
• 6:08
  Speaker 2: years down the road, and here you are, like you're
• 6:11
  Speaker 2: still having to pay the consequence of and again, like
• 6:14
  Speaker 2: that could be a good consequence or a bad consequence
• 6:16
  Speaker 2: or or nothing. You know, it's a neutral but like
• 6:19
  Speaker 2: it it's still like a thing where it's like I
• 6:21
  Speaker 2: made that decision at eighteen years old, and I still
• 6:24
  Speaker 2: have to like whether it's a good, bad, or neutral consequence.
• 6:26
  Speaker 2: You still have to like figure that out.
• 6:30
  Speaker 5: The band before or TJ in my band before Still
• 6:33
  Speaker 5: Remains was called Shades of Amber. I'm just oh, yes,
• 6:37
  Speaker 5: I'm glad that was buried. Per said.
• 6:40
  Speaker 4: I feel like every music scene in every like major
• 6:43
  Speaker 4: city or minor city had a band that was shades
• 6:46
  Speaker 4: of something, right, yes, like my home, are you guys
• 6:49
  Speaker 4: like that?
• 6:49
  Speaker 2: Were you guys like a butt rock band?
• 6:51
  Speaker 5: No? No, we were kids trying to play metal cores.
• 6:54
  Speaker 5: We didn't even know metal corp.
• 6:56
  Speaker 2: Was it sounds like a butt rock it does sound
• 6:58
  Speaker 2: like Yeah.
• 7:00
  Speaker 4: In our in Mason and I his hometown, it was
• 7:02
  Speaker 4: Shades of Air. The yeah, they're they're actually good. The
• 7:09
  Speaker 4: YouTube's oh I'm sure they are. Yeah.
• 7:12
  Speaker 3: That was back in the day when you could actually
• 7:14
  Speaker 3: name a band like they're every name possible is taken. No, yeah,
• 7:19
  Speaker 3: Like I couldn't imagine having to name a band today.
• 7:23
  Speaker 2: It seems do you guys think about this though, Like
• 7:25
  Speaker 2: do you think about, like, all right, if you were
• 7:27
  Speaker 2: like do a solo project or whatever, Like, have you
• 7:29
  Speaker 2: thought about a band name again? Do you like, do
• 7:32
  Speaker 2: you have a list like just ready readily available to
• 7:35
  Speaker 2: just like have.
• 7:36
  Speaker 5: A band, not whatsoever.
• 7:38
  Speaker 2: I've never Colin Colin thinks about this at all. He's
• 7:43
  Speaker 2: got a whole list.
• 7:45
  Speaker 4: The most useless thing in the world.
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  Speaker 5: Start the initial ideas to writing a song, if it's.
• 7:52
  Speaker 2: Or if it's a J and I or whoever, a list.
• 7:55
  Speaker 5: My song titles are absolutely hainous.
• 8:05
  Speaker 2: You guys going to get canceled for it.
• 8:07
  Speaker 3: We can't.
• 8:08
  Speaker 4: People would just really they're just like cringey or what just.
• 8:13
  Speaker 5: They're usually just random yeah, random.
• 8:16
  Speaker 4: Yeah, random is good, though random.
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  Speaker 3: Is slightly vulgar little mostly random.
• 8:23
  Speaker 4: Vulgar and random, those are those are two fun combos,
• 8:26
  Speaker 4: you know. I guess I always thought that that story
• 8:29
  Speaker 4: Remains was a connotation to no type of pilots because
• 8:33
  Speaker 4: they got a song called Still.
• 8:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah it wasn't. I didn't even know of that song
• 8:38
  Speaker 5: title until late two thousands. My guy into TP. Sure
• 8:46
  Speaker 5: but sure enough when you google the band or if
• 8:48
  Speaker 5: you search, they're.
• 8:49
  Speaker 3: Just messing up our se Oh yeah, exactly, f.
• 8:55
  Speaker 2: Scott, you need more of those guys to die.
• 9:02
  Speaker 5: If you can't laugh about you can't laugh about everything.
• 9:05
  Speaker 5: You can't laugh about anything.
• 9:07
  Speaker 4: Right, that's true. That is that is absolutely true. Yeah,
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  Speaker 4: well good, Well let's let's kind of talk about how
• 9:12
  Speaker 4: about how you guys got started as a band in general,
• 9:16
  Speaker 4: maybe your personal journeys before the band, even where did
• 9:21
  Speaker 4: everything start for each of you?
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  Speaker 5: Oddly enough, there was this little festival. Since I think
• 9:27
  Speaker 5: you guys will know what it is is Cornerstone Festival.
• 9:32
  Speaker 3: M hm.
• 9:33
  Speaker 2: We actually it was funny. Colin and I actually never went,
• 9:36
  Speaker 2: but I bet I've watched more Cornerstone Festival footage than
• 9:40
  Speaker 2: most Cornerstone Festival goers.
• 9:43
  Speaker 4: Gotcha, we're even that even attended.
• 9:45
  Speaker 5: Yes, so TJ the vocalist of Still Remains, and Zach
• 9:50
  Speaker 5: the keyboard player. We all went with a bunch of
• 9:54
  Speaker 5: people from West Michigan and we started a band called
• 10:00
  Speaker 5: Shades of Amber while we were at Cornerstone. I remember
• 10:02
  Speaker 5: my mom drove me. I was fourteen or fifteen years old,
• 10:06
  Speaker 5: and I'll never forget when the car pool if I
• 10:10
  Speaker 5: rolled on my window and asked Sack, I'm like, hey, dude,
• 10:12
  Speaker 5: I heard you play drums. You want to start a band?
• 10:14
  Speaker 5: And from that we started again Shades of Amber.
• 10:19
  Speaker 2: Wait, were you guys next to each other in the.
• 10:21
  Speaker 5: Hog in the festival drums No, yeah, wed No. So
• 10:31
  Speaker 5: from that, from that we started Shades of Amber. Shades
• 10:34
  Speaker 5: Amber fell apart for we were just kids, just we
• 10:37
  Speaker 5: wanted to do something different.
• 10:40
  Speaker 2: The name had nothing to do with it, and what
• 10:43
  Speaker 2: the name had nothing to do with it?
• 10:44
  Speaker 5: No, I did not. It should have though.
• 10:46
  Speaker 4: It was creative differences. We get it.
• 10:48
  Speaker 5: Creative difference. So it's Jades of Amber breaks up and
• 10:53
  Speaker 5: out of birth still remains. Oh yeah, and Aj wasn't
• 10:57
  Speaker 5: quite in the band yet when we first started. He
• 11:01
  Speaker 5: was in a little band while dissonant.
• 11:04
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and so we we did you say the play
• 11:08
  Speaker 4: around do you say, oh, yeah, speaking of terrible old
• 11:11
  Speaker 4: band news that sounds super heavy, that sounds like a
• 11:14
  Speaker 4: band that's going to rip my fucking face off.
• 11:16
  Speaker 3: That was the goal and we have we we pulled
• 11:20
  Speaker 3: it off in a you know, two thousand and one
• 11:22
  Speaker 3: kind of was new metal trying to be metal core
• 11:25
  Speaker 3: a way. Okay, yeah, but we we played a lot
• 11:29
  Speaker 3: of shows with Stormains just around town kind of in
• 11:32
  Speaker 3: the in the Michigan area.
• 11:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, So it was it was kind of an awkward
• 11:36
  Speaker 5: thing because right right when we were offered our deal
• 11:41
  Speaker 5: from Roadrunner, we had a couple of members quick because
• 11:45
  Speaker 5: I think they realized how full time of a thing
• 11:47
  Speaker 5: it was going to become. And then we were kind
• 11:51
  Speaker 5: of parentoid about who to ask because we didn't want
• 11:53
  Speaker 5: to ask someone to join the band because we were
• 11:56
  Speaker 5: about at that at that time, I was nineteen years
• 11:59
  Speaker 5: old and to get signed to a major label. Oh,
• 12:02
  Speaker 5: I made it a millionaire. Right, Like, we were were
• 12:06
  Speaker 5: parento about asking people to join the band simply because
• 12:11
  Speaker 5: we got a record deal. So we called AJ. And
• 12:15
  Speaker 5: this is two thousand and four.
• 12:17
  Speaker 3: Right a, yeah, like early summer two thousand and four.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, So we called AJ and asked me if he
• 12:23
  Speaker 5: wanted to play with us, and we didn't tell him
• 12:25
  Speaker 5: anything about the record deal or that we were about
• 12:28
  Speaker 5: to chip off to Vancouver for three months.
• 12:31
  Speaker 3: And except it was very obvious. Yes, we got to
• 12:36
  Speaker 3: go on a meeting for the weekend with our manager
• 12:39
  Speaker 3: and we can't tell you what we're doing, but that's
• 12:42
  Speaker 3: going to be gone for a couple of days.
• 12:44
  Speaker 4: This sounds like one of those deals where like there's
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: like some guy who makes a ton of money who's
• 12:50
  Speaker 4: trying to hide it so he can start dating a
• 12:52
  Speaker 4: girl who will love him for him and not for
• 12:55
  Speaker 4: the money. That's what you guys are making it sound.
• 12:57
  Speaker 4: And it's yeah, like a.
• 12:59
  Speaker 5: Movie were a kid. But I'll never forget when.
• 13:02
  Speaker 4: We'll try to be responsible, bro, I'll.
• 13:05
  Speaker 5: Never forget when he finally said, yeah, I'd love to
• 13:08
  Speaker 5: join the band. We're all right. We got a five
• 13:12
  Speaker 5: record deal with a Broadrunner five records. But yeah, no,
• 13:19
  Speaker 5: it was it was fake to be mister a J.
• 13:23
  Speaker 5: I call him funky in the band.
• 13:25
  Speaker 4: Fun Get why fun is it because he lays it
• 13:30
  Speaker 4: down well or what.
• 13:33
  Speaker 2: It's not because of his guitar playing.
• 13:35
  Speaker 3: No, there's a long evolution of my nicknames.
• 13:41
  Speaker 4: It's multiple.
• 13:44
  Speaker 2: Well, it's because of the way he makes the bus spell.
• 13:47
  Speaker 3: It started so a J to age to quage to
• 13:52
  Speaker 3: Q to q funk. Now it's funky. I think that's
• 13:57
  Speaker 3: how it went.
• 13:57
  Speaker 5: That's how I rolled.
• 13:58
  Speaker 2: There's like a whole evolution.
• 14:00
  Speaker 4: It sounds like an etymology of like John from like
• 14:04
  Speaker 4: way way back in like Arabaic, it turns into John Samouth.
• 14:12
  Speaker 3: That's how language has developed. Yeah, there's a lot. There's
• 14:18
  Speaker 3: a lot of things too.
• 14:20
  Speaker 2: But yeah, there is something to be said about like
• 14:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, let's be honest, like if you have a
• 14:26
  Speaker 2: nickname that people consistently call you like that to me
• 14:30
  Speaker 2: feels like an honor. Like I've always wanted a nickname,
• 14:33
  Speaker 2: like Colin will sometimes call me Mace, but Mace has
• 14:37
  Speaker 2: like never developed into a whole other nickname onto itself.
• 14:40
  Speaker 2: So like if you have a nickname and then it
• 14:42
  Speaker 2: develops into a nickname onto itself, like that's a whole
• 14:46
  Speaker 2: other thing.
• 14:47
  Speaker 4: Sometimes I call you Masonic Temple like that.
• 14:52
  Speaker 2: Last time, but that's never caught on it by anything.
• 14:55
  Speaker 5: So what was the Masonic Temple? We played at Agent's Portland.
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: I've played a few. They're always so creepy.
• 15:03
  Speaker 2: It was, yeah, and you can only go into certain spaces.
• 15:05
  Speaker 3: I'm sure we were. I played in one in Toledo
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: before story means. I think it was with this on it.
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: And we went creeping around like in the places you're
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: not supposed to be. And we went down to the
• 15:15
  Speaker 3: basement and there was a bank vault door and we
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: opened the bank vault door and it was this massive.
• 15:21
  Speaker 2: Concrete How did you get into it?
• 15:23
  Speaker 5: Like?
• 15:23
  Speaker 2: It didn't have a lot, it was open.
• 15:25
  Speaker 3: This is like a it was a defunct.
• 15:27
  Speaker 4: They forgot the code fifty years ago.
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: There was like George Washington's remains.
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: There was no ship. There was a Dennis chair bolted
• 15:36
  Speaker 3: to the ground in the middle of.
• 15:37
  Speaker 4: Oh oh my god, no way were there any robes?
• 15:42
  Speaker 4: Were there any robes?
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: It was completely empty. I mean the thing had been
• 15:45
  Speaker 3: abandoned for you know, probably thirty years at that point.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: Oh imagine if you would have heard of like a
• 15:50
  Speaker 2: voice that was like help.
• 15:53
  Speaker 4: And was around wild What a cool deal though?
• 15:57
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 15:58
  Speaker 4: Yeah, they are all creepy though, even like the you
• 16:00
  Speaker 4: weer ones are even creepy, which is kind of strange. Yeah.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: I live really close to one and I there's like
• 16:06
  Speaker 2: no windows even. I'm like, this is not the kind
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: of building I want to be in.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so Agent, how did how did you end up
• 16:14
  Speaker 4: in the band?
• 16:15
  Speaker 2: Then?
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: I think literally Jordan just called me one night. I
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: actually I had left this in it. I was getting
• 16:21
  Speaker 3: ready to move back to California. I lived in California
• 16:24
  Speaker 3: for a little bit with some family, and I was
• 16:26
  Speaker 3: about to move back there and kind of not sure
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: what I was about to do. And Jordan called me
• 16:31
  Speaker 3: one night. He was like, Hey, just quit the band.
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: Do you want to come jam? I was like, Wow,
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: that's really weird timing kind of in the middle of
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: things right now.
• 16:41
  Speaker 4: But yeah, sure, So it was just it was just
• 16:44
  Speaker 4: boom boom, We're in and then you and then they
• 16:47
  Speaker 4: broke the news to you that you were going to
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: be in it for the long haul. Yeah, a five
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: record deal, but yet five records are not going to
• 16:54
  Speaker 4: come out spoiler alert everybody, No, no, no, so give us,
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: give us their journey here? What what? How did things
• 17:03
  Speaker 4: proceed from there?
• 17:05
  Speaker 3: I say, we just started practicing every day. It was
• 17:09
  Speaker 3: I think the first song I Love let Me See
• 17:11
  Speaker 3: TI Live and Die by Fire was written before I
• 17:14
  Speaker 3: technically joined. It was like, hey, let's jam on something new,
• 17:17
  Speaker 3: and I think we wrote that. And it was shortly
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: after that that I got in the band. And we
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: practice at Jordan's parents house every day like a job.
• 17:26
  Speaker 3: I mean it was starting at ten and we go
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: to four or whatever, and we just write songs every
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: single when.
• 17:32
  Speaker 2: They were away at work. Right.
• 17:34
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 17:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, we practiced there like till the end. Yeah, damn
• 17:41
  Speaker 5: adults and practicing parents house.
• 17:45
  Speaker 4: If it's free, you know, it's.
• 17:47
  Speaker 3: A good spot to jam.
• 17:48
  Speaker 5: And for what we were making, we needed free.
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: Yeah. I want to say we just most of the
• 17:55
  Speaker 3: summer of two thousand and four, it was usually music
• 17:57
  Speaker 3: and Jordan just every day in there, right, and we
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: write thirteen songs, well two are on No Piece, so eleven.
• 18:05
  Speaker 5: So I love.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: I love asking bands this, you know, but especially bands
• 18:11
  Speaker 2: that you know have like a legacy like still remains
• 18:14
  Speaker 2: to us. You mentioned like you know you're you're jamming
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: at you know, parents house. I would imagine at some
• 18:22
  Speaker 2: point parents are like, Okay, this is our Like, we
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: love our child, We're going to support our child in
• 18:32
  Speaker 2: all of our child's dreams, and we also recognize that
• 18:37
  Speaker 2: our child's dreams might not be the dreams that we have.
• 18:41
  Speaker 2: For our child to be able to make money and
• 18:44
  Speaker 2: have a life, that would mean that our child moves
• 18:47
  Speaker 2: out of the house. And so like there must have
• 18:50
  Speaker 2: been a point though, where it was like hey, mom
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: and dad, like this isn't just like a like this
• 18:55
  Speaker 2: is this isn't like a high school band where I'm
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: just like trying to make some music and you know,
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: just have some fun. Like this is actually like a
• 19:02
  Speaker 2: legitimate way that I'm going to pay some bills. Like
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: at what point, like was it in that first album
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: that it felt like that was it right before? Was
• 19:10
  Speaker 2: it right? After like at some point it must have
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: felt like, oh, this is like just how I'm gonna
• 19:15
  Speaker 2: make money at least for the time being. Yeah, that
• 19:18
  Speaker 2: had to have been.
• 19:19
  Speaker 5: Honestly, probably when we flew out to New York and
• 19:23
  Speaker 5: toured the road in our office and it felt like,
• 19:28
  Speaker 5: I mean we were going to be set for life.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: I mean, you guys talked to so many bands. The
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: music the music industry is rough man, there's there's it's
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: so hard to make money. We would do, we would do.
• 19:39
  Speaker 5: I feel like that. I mean, my parents were they
• 19:40
  Speaker 5: were so supportive. They would if I wanted to live
• 19:44
  Speaker 5: on sleep on their couch and play guitar down the road,
• 19:47
  Speaker 5: they'd still let me do it, you know. But I mean,
• 19:51
  Speaker 5: it's just it's so hard to make money in this industry.
• 19:53
  Speaker 5: I'll never forget we played Tokyo. We played in Tokyo
• 19:58
  Speaker 5: and I can't remember how much we got paid, but
• 20:02
  Speaker 5: you know it was it was a lot of money.
• 20:05
  Speaker 5: But I went home with five hundred bucks, you know
• 20:08
  Speaker 5: it was. It's just a it's a rough industry, that's
• 20:11
  Speaker 5: I mean, that's why Storremins is doing what we do now,
• 20:16
  Speaker 5: and we just are doing one for the fun of it,
• 20:20
  Speaker 5: like any money we make, any money, Like we did
• 20:23
  Speaker 5: a kickstarter back in the day for our last record,
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: we didn't take a single son of that home, even like, yeah,
• 20:30
  Speaker 5: we're coming straight back into the band. I haven't gotten
• 20:32
  Speaker 5: a paycheck from Stormmains and I don't know the actual
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: band fifteen years. But that's I'm saying that in a
• 20:39
  Speaker 5: positive way, like we do it one percent for the
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: fun of it, and there were privileged that people actually
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: still follow it and listen to our music. It kind
• 20:49
  Speaker 5: of blows my mind, even like I grew up buying
• 20:52
  Speaker 5: and reading HM magazine, and it's just it's just wild
• 20:57
  Speaker 5: to me that people are still interested in us tinkering
• 21:01
  Speaker 5: around in our basements and writing music.
• 21:02
  Speaker 4: It's yeah, so much of that is surprising to me
• 21:07
  Speaker 4: because when you guys were coming up, it was kind
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: of a new frontier, new explosion of the scene, and
• 21:15
  Speaker 4: it was kind of like, Hey, this is kind of
• 21:18
  Speaker 4: something that could be popular or could be sustaining for
• 21:21
  Speaker 4: us if we hit hard enough, or if we if
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: we can tour with the right people, or if we
• 21:28
  Speaker 4: can get in with the right the right bands or
• 21:30
  Speaker 4: the right management. And that was kind of like the
• 21:33
  Speaker 4: conversation going on at the time, Did you guys feel
• 21:36
  Speaker 4: any of that?
• 21:39
  Speaker 5: Always? Yeah, I mean did you.
• 21:42
  Speaker 4: Know did you know that you were in it? As
• 21:43
  Speaker 4: well as what I should ask? Oh?
• 21:46
  Speaker 3: No, I don't think you recognized that the bands we
• 21:48
  Speaker 3: were touring with would end up so important. Sure, like Trivia,
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: Bullet from my Valentine. You know, these kind of bands
• 21:56
  Speaker 3: we were playing, you know, little mini club shows with
• 21:59
  Speaker 3: these guys. We played Bullet opened. Actually Bullet played before
• 22:03
  Speaker 3: us on their very first US tour. It was actually
• 22:05
  Speaker 3: in the dies to the headliner, and then we were
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: direct support. And then Bullet was before us. I think
• 22:10
  Speaker 3: there was even another band before us, and then Bullet
• 22:12
  Speaker 3: was before that.
• 22:14
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, but it took.
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think those those tours never thought seemed
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: to us like they were going to be that consequential.
• 22:22
  Speaker 5: No, it took me probably five to ten years after
• 22:27
  Speaker 5: we broke up to realize like the impact that our
• 22:29
  Speaker 5: music had on people. I don't say that in a
• 22:31
  Speaker 5: boastful way, because I hate coming across like that that
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: it lived and that oh, like, these songs actually mean
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: things to people, whether it's the lyrics of the music
• 22:42
  Speaker 5: or whatever they were going through. When they first bought
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: the record. During the process, it always felt like, oh, well,
• 22:49
  Speaker 5: the next tour, the next tour could be the one,
• 22:53
  Speaker 5: the next album is going to be the one, the
• 22:55
  Speaker 5: next tour is going to be the one. And I
• 22:57
  Speaker 5: think that's just being a child, and I think that's
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: I keep talking about money, and back then I was
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: so not money driven. I'm not now in my life.
• 23:06
  Speaker 5: It's but for some reason we just kept pushing. I
• 23:11
  Speaker 5: think I think what really killed Stillerman's ultimately the first
• 23:14
  Speaker 5: time around was how hard we toured. We just toured
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: non stopped, and then for some reason we always just
• 23:22
  Speaker 5: had this mindset like the next tour or whatever is
• 23:26
  Speaker 5: gonna make the bandon, I think ultimately burns out.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it might not be like some sort of like
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: direct like all right, if we just like do this,
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: it will be this amount of money or this many
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: people in the crowd or whatever it is, Like it's
• 23:42
  Speaker 2: just like it, I'm sure, like when you're nineteen twenty
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: twenty one years old, it's just like, if we just
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: do this, it will just be bigger, like whatever bigger is,
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: like it's just generally bigger. But like, but you don't
• 23:55
  Speaker 2: have like a like a physical or you don't have
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: like an exact sense. I'm like, what that exact actly means.
• 24:00
  Speaker 2: It's just that could mean ticket sales, it could be
• 24:03
  Speaker 2: album sales, it could be whatever. But like it's just
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: something about like if we just work harder, it could
• 24:08
  Speaker 2: be bigger.
• 24:08
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think I think mainly on ticket sales. I
• 24:11
  Speaker 5: mean that's really the only thing that drove us.
• 24:14
  Speaker 3: We just wanted to play good shows. Yeah, and playing
• 24:18
  Speaker 3: so many bad shows for so long. Where's you out
• 24:21
  Speaker 3: after a while?
• 24:22
  Speaker 5: Yeah? What was rough on us was we did so
• 24:24
  Speaker 5: well in Australia, Japan, and Europe, the United Kingdom, but
• 24:31
  Speaker 5: then we come back to the States where you know,
• 24:33
  Speaker 5: we'd play a show. Oh, the day before we flew
• 24:37
  Speaker 5: to Tokyo or Japan, we played in Bakersfield, California, for
• 24:41
  Speaker 5: fifteen people, and then four days later we're in Tokyo
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: playing for twenty two thousand.
• 24:48
  Speaker 2: Jeez, what do you what do you think that is? Like?
• 24:50
  Speaker 2: What is it about internationally? Because I mean there's some
• 24:53
  Speaker 2: like metal bands that do obviously really well in the
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: States they're from the States or whatever. Then there's some
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: bands that just do really well in Europe. Like, so
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: what I feel like I bring them up a lot.
• 25:03
  Speaker 2: But one of Colin and I's favorite bands ever, it's
• 25:06
  Speaker 2: called The Chariot. I don't know if you guys ever
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: listened to the Chariot or not, but they like if
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: they ever went to Europe, especially Eastern Europe, they would
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: sell shows and those shows were unbelievable. And so what
• 25:18
  Speaker 2: is it about some of these bands that, like, I mean,
• 25:21
  Speaker 2: some of those shows in Eastern Europe probably would do
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: better than when whenever they played in America? So like
• 25:28
  Speaker 2: what is it about some bands? And it sounds like
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: for you guys this was the case, Like why is
• 25:33
  Speaker 2: it that, like even though you're from America, I mean,
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: like you're from the heart of America, like Michigan, But like,
• 25:38
  Speaker 2: what is it about like going to even Tokyo or
• 25:41
  Speaker 2: Europe or wherever like that? It's just like it brings
• 25:43
  Speaker 2: something out out of certain people, Like do you have
• 25:47
  Speaker 2: like a sense now, especially looking back, like what happened
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: with that? Like why is that the case?
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: I think maybe it's kind of rooted in certain bands influences.
• 25:56
  Speaker 3: Maybe like we, you know, we drew very heavy influence
• 26:01
  Speaker 3: from a lot of like the euro bands like Inflames,
• 26:03
  Speaker 3: soil work, that kind of thing, and incorporated that into
• 26:06
  Speaker 3: metal cores, which apparently was a new thing. Like to us,
• 26:09
  Speaker 3: we were just playing, you know, trying to rip off
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: in flames and put some breakdowns on it because that's
• 26:16
  Speaker 3: what we what we knew we were borrowing.
• 26:18
  Speaker 4: That's a good good band to borrow from, I would
• 26:22
  Speaker 4: I would.
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: Argue, yeah, yeah, but I think that that euro influences
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: kind of resonated over there earlier than it has resonated here.
• 26:32
  Speaker 3: So I like it was like day one, the first
• 26:36
  Speaker 3: day of our first UK tour, and you know, people
• 26:39
  Speaker 3: were following us to lunch, everybody in the crowds singing
• 26:45
  Speaker 3: our songs. Instantly, it was yeah, it was just instantly,
• 26:50
  Speaker 3: so different than the US.
• 26:54
  Speaker 5: Still, yeah, yeah, it was weird. It was weird because
• 26:57
  Speaker 5: suddenly we landed and people cared. And we love our
• 27:01
  Speaker 5: fans in the States, so I don't want to it's
• 27:04
  Speaker 5: just certain cities that there's this States. It's such a
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: huge market.
• 27:08
  Speaker 3: It's a huge place.
• 27:09
  Speaker 5: I mean, yeah, it would what there's an eight week
• 27:15
  Speaker 5: week run in the States and not hit every market. Yeah,
• 27:19
  Speaker 5: so have we'd have shows that would sell out in
• 27:21
  Speaker 5: La or on the East coast or in Texas, but
• 27:25
  Speaker 5: in between we'd be planned for thirty forty people. Yeah,
• 27:29
  Speaker 5: which is some reason why, like now fans even talk
• 27:31
  Speaker 5: to us, like why do you guys only tour in
• 27:33
  Speaker 5: the UK. It's like, well, we sell those shows out and.
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: And you can cover the country in a week a
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: week and a half for sure. Eight Yeah.
• 27:42
  Speaker 5: And unfortunately, if we toured the States, we'd just we'd
• 27:44
  Speaker 5: be paying out a pocket for it all.
• 27:47
  Speaker 4: Yeah. When I was in tenth grade, I had a
• 27:52
  Speaker 4: German for an exchange student, and he gave me every
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: single song that you guys had ever made up until
• 27:59
  Speaker 4: that point.
• 28:00
  Speaker 5: It's awesome, and it was.
• 28:04
  Speaker 4: It was great. I was. I was blown away because
• 28:08
  Speaker 4: he liked a lot of music that I didn't like
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: but still remains and in Flames was there were Those
• 28:14
  Speaker 4: were the two discographies that I got from him. So sorry.
• 28:18
  Speaker 4: I never have paid for any any bit of your music,
• 28:21
  Speaker 4: but I have. I have been a listener for a
• 28:24
  Speaker 4: long time. I'm sure most people didn't, but I have
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: been a listener for a long time. But I did
• 28:29
  Speaker 4: feel like your I did feel like you guys almost
• 28:32
  Speaker 4: weren't even an American band because you were always in
• 28:38
  Speaker 4: that same context of bands like Inflames and things like that,
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: or or even oh there's one other band I'm thinking
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: of that kind of falls in the same kind of category.
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: But I'm not It's not on my tip of my
• 28:51
  Speaker 4: tongue right now. I'll think about it later, I'm sure.
• 28:53
  Speaker 4: Do you feel like that has been a conversation that's
• 28:59
  Speaker 4: continued after not now that you guys are coming back
• 29:02
  Speaker 4: a little bit here.
• 29:06
  Speaker 5: And we just had I just had someone I saw
• 29:08
  Speaker 5: somewhere on social someone commented saying they didn't even know
• 29:11
  Speaker 5: we were from Michigan. How Yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, yeah,
• 29:21
  Speaker 5: I mean not really. I mean we're pretty much known
• 29:25
  Speaker 5: as you know, being banned from the States. But it's
• 29:28
  Speaker 5: more just the comments from fans and why don't you
• 29:30
  Speaker 5: ever tour? Why don't you come to Ohio? Why didn't
• 29:32
  Speaker 5: come to La Why didn't come to Florida?
• 29:36
  Speaker 3: Well, we'd love to if we Yeah, if we had
• 29:38
  Speaker 3: unlimited time.
• 29:39
  Speaker 5: Yeah, that's one of the resources all of us now
• 29:41
  Speaker 5: we have careers. Yeah, so getting away for six weeks
• 29:46
  Speaker 5: is literally impossible. It's ten days at a time. Even
• 29:49
  Speaker 5: that's rough.
• 29:50
  Speaker 3: Even that's hard to do.
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: Sure, I mean, I mean there's got to be a
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: benefit to the fact that they If you wanted to
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: travel around the United State dates, that costs money for
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: you guys. But if you want to go to Europe,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: you got an all expense yeah, paid for That's nice.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: That's kind of nice. Let's be honest. That's kind of nice.
• 30:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, our tour our tour coming up in November twentieth
• 30:16
  Speaker 5: or twenty second, twenty first time there. Wow, Yeah, I
• 30:21
  Speaker 5: love it more.
• 30:22
  Speaker 2: I mean, if I got paid to go to Europe
• 30:24
  Speaker 2: and it you know it actually they you know, actually
• 30:27
  Speaker 2: makes a little bit money for me, that that'd be
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: awfully nice versus just going around the US just to
• 30:32
  Speaker 2: break even.
• 30:33
  Speaker 4: Yeah, so let's ask that, what is your favorite place
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: in Europe to play?
• 30:40
  Speaker 5: That's rough and you can.
• 30:44
  Speaker 4: You can be biased in Paris.
• 30:46
  Speaker 5: In Paris, yeah, my favorite place to play. Oh gosh,
• 30:52
  Speaker 5: King Touched in Glasgow, Scotland.
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: That we've heard about King Touch so many times. I
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: love that.
• 30:59
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it's a really cool venue.
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: Magua got their start, sorry Magua the band. That's where
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: they got their start and they kind of are known.
• 31:10
  Speaker 5: I believe believe the Oasis like got their start too.
• 31:14
  Speaker 1: Wow.
• 31:14
  Speaker 4: I wouldn't I wouldn't doubt it.
• 31:15
  Speaker 5: Don't quote me on that. Well, I'm on video. Shoot now,
• 31:17
  Speaker 5: I'm gonna look at quote a cool venue and it's
• 31:22
  Speaker 5: like a two hundred and fifty cap room. But those
• 31:24
  Speaker 5: are the funnest to play. You know. We've played stadiums,
• 31:27
  Speaker 5: We've played five thousand capacity shows, and the best shows
• 31:31
  Speaker 5: are when there's one hundred and fifty people, two hundred
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: and fifty people stuffed into a small room, the terrible
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: PA system. The crowd is louder than the band.
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yep, but.
• 31:42
  Speaker 5: Shout out to King Tut's are we playing there? The
• 31:44
  Speaker 5: front A.
• 31:45
  Speaker 3: No, No, we're not playing cat House.
• 31:50
  Speaker 4: So here's a question. Surprisingly, we've never actually asked any
• 31:54
  Speaker 4: band that I know of, Mason. Maybe we have, but
• 31:56
  Speaker 4: I don't think we have. How does the festival experience
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: and differ from the billing or or ven you experience.
• 32:07
  Speaker 5: I get stressed out playing festivals really, Okay, Yeah.
• 32:11
  Speaker 3: Generally the setup is just kind of so everything is
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: so unknown going into it. Everything feels kind of rushed
• 32:18
  Speaker 3: and unfamiliar.
• 32:19
  Speaker 2: Yeah, because you almost have to do like soundcheck like
• 32:22
  Speaker 2: in the moment right like you're not doing that beforehand.
• 32:24
  Speaker 2: So that's gotta be a yeah factor. I'm sure there's
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: other factors, but that's got to be one of the
• 32:28
  Speaker 2: factors that I as a observer. Again, Colin and I
• 32:31
  Speaker 2: have never been in bands, but that's like the first
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: thing I think of.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, it's yeah, it's just plugin and play. Hopefully
• 32:37
  Speaker 5: everything sounds okay, and you rely.
• 32:39
  Speaker 3: On hopefully hopefully everything works.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: Yeah, roll the drum set in. Is my guitar working
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: if there's Yeah. I mean, don't get me wrong, the
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: crowds at festivals are just ballistic. They're great. They're always
• 32:53
  Speaker 5: fun shows, especially back in the day playing Cornerstone in
• 32:55
  Speaker 5: the tents, but the setup is.
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: Stressful from a sound perspective. I've thought about this before.
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: From a sound perspective, do you enjoy that it is
• 33:05
  Speaker 2: going to the outside versus like it could reverb throughout.
• 33:11
  Speaker 5: A from a terrible like on stage.
• 33:14
  Speaker 3: Yeah, oh interesting, there's something about playing outside that's fun.
• 33:18
  Speaker 3: But it generally doesn't sound great.
• 33:20
  Speaker 4: No, but okay, it's usually bad for all parties. But yeah,
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: it's a very very fun experience.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, who doesn't like going to a festival.
• 33:30
  Speaker 3: It's nice out, got a bunch of killer bands playing
• 33:33
  Speaker 3: where everyone's covered in mud.
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: You can pack it in tight and just really feel
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: intimate with some smelly strangers next to you. Yeah, it's
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: a great feel.
• 33:42
  Speaker 3: The sound definitely goes out and doesn't come back like
• 33:46
  Speaker 3: you're used to.
• 33:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Do you do you feel excited to
• 33:53
  Speaker 4: be playing Furnace Fest?
• 33:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah? Absolutely, yeah, we were. Actually we were still Uh
• 34:01
  Speaker 5: was it Chad that asked us aj?
• 34:03
  Speaker 3: No, I think it's Elena.
• 34:05
  Speaker 5: We were excited to be involved. It's just that this
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: whole scene was like so much a part of our
• 34:11
  Speaker 5: lives for twenty plus years, and I bet we know
• 34:16
  Speaker 5: half the band's playing. I can't. Yeah, I wouldn't.
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: I would go that far.
• 34:20
  Speaker 5: This year, that's good.
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: Last year it is a little bit more a newerd.
• 34:24
  Speaker 4: It's a lot of new blood this year compared to
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: years past. Yeah, about a lot of still remains. It
• 34:30
  Speaker 4: has easily been one of the most anticipated bands that
• 34:33
  Speaker 4: I have seen on the list. And and initially when
• 34:37
  Speaker 4: you're get when you guys were on there, I was like, Okay,
• 34:39
  Speaker 4: all right, I'm still definitely going this year.
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: That's sweet. Yeah, we we We've been asking them for
• 34:45
  Speaker 3: a couple of years and they finally they finally came
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: through this year. We're excited as.
• 34:50
  Speaker 4: We were saying, what did you, how did you?
• 34:52
  Speaker 2: How did you this year?
• 34:53
  Speaker 4: How did you sweeten the pot?
• 34:55
  Speaker 3: I think we were just more more forceful to see
• 34:58
  Speaker 3: We're like, hey, by the way, is twentieth your twentieth
• 35:01
  Speaker 3: anniversary of bubblahla unacy, Like we really want to do this?
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah?
• 35:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think the anniversary. I mean it's perfect timing, honestly.
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:09
  Speaker 4: Yeah. So are there is there anything special planned for
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: for that set? In particular?
• 35:16
  Speaker 3: I don't think we've long enough to do the full record,
• 35:18
  Speaker 3: but we'll do most of the record, and I think
• 35:20
  Speaker 3: we'll probably play a new song.
• 35:22
  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, there we go, so new song as well.
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: Does that mean that that fans should be anticipating some
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: something extra down the line? Yeah?
• 35:34
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, No, we've been in studio. Is that Have
• 35:37
  Speaker 5: we talked about this? Aja? We really? Yeah, we've been
• 35:39
  Speaker 5: in studio. We're writing an EP and it's almost done.
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: Good okay, So we so we we had heard about
• 35:45
  Speaker 4: the EP, but we had not heard if there was
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: more beyond the EP, because we usually EP means there's
• 35:53
  Speaker 4: there's more coming as well, So we weren't sure if
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: there was.
• 35:56
  Speaker 3: Album as much music as we could write. I mean
• 35:58
  Speaker 3: it's taken us since time to write this.
• 36:01
  Speaker 4: That's pretty impressive though.
• 36:03
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's our whole goal on this podcast is the
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: kid on like Wikipedia, to be cited on Wikipedia. So this,
• 36:11
  Speaker 2: this is exactly what's trying to go on right now,
• 36:13
  Speaker 2: Like we're trying to like where can we get on Wikipedia?
• 36:16
  Speaker 4: Oh?
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: Excellent, right now? And so if it means new music,
• 36:20
  Speaker 2: this is the way.
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: That this is the way you do it. Yeah, And honestly,
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: with all of our schedules, it's it's so hard to
• 36:27
  Speaker 3: get together. It's so hard to like get all six
• 36:30
  Speaker 3: of us in the same room like last So kind
• 36:34
  Speaker 3: of twenty twenty three was the start of us playing more.
• 36:37
  Speaker 3: We played some shows with Hayes Today and Silent Planet.
• 36:40
  Speaker 2: Great crew be great, great great friends of the podcast
• 36:43
  Speaker 2: by the way, good people.
• 36:44
  Speaker 3: They're great. And then we did some hometown shows like
• 36:48
  Speaker 3: the following spring, and it was like okay, like we're
• 36:51
  Speaker 3: we're back into the vibe of this. Let's let's see
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: if we can make some music and opening for our
• 36:58
  Speaker 3: hometown shows. This a band called Hall of Front and
• 37:01
  Speaker 3: their guitar player Lee Producers Records writes for a lot
• 37:03
  Speaker 3: of bands, and it just so happened that he he
• 37:06
  Speaker 3: lives here. He lives about two minutes from TJ. So
• 37:09
  Speaker 3: that really opened the door for us to like have
• 37:11
  Speaker 3: a competent local producer here because anytime we'd think about, Okay,
• 37:15
  Speaker 3: maybe we should write some songs. We did a lot
• 37:17
  Speaker 3: of recordings with Josh Schroeder when we first got back
• 37:20
  Speaker 3: together in like twenty eleven to twenty thirteen era. He's
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: on the other side of the state, and it was like, well,
• 37:26
  Speaker 3: if we want to go to the studio, you know,
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: we're looking at a week two weeks off work for everybody,
• 37:32
  Speaker 3: like when are we going to have when are we
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: going to do that? And with Lee, he's just been
• 37:37
  Speaker 3: able to kind of chip away at it and we
• 37:39
  Speaker 3: get in the studio a weekend here and there, you know,
• 37:42
  Speaker 3: when it lines up for everybody, And that's even that's
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: been hard to do. So the EP is like as
• 37:49
  Speaker 3: much music as we could get together in like a
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: reasonable time frame and not everybody wait for another two years.
• 37:54
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, it sounds so cool.
• 37:56
  Speaker 4: I can't even get a weekend with my wife. I
• 37:58
  Speaker 4: can't imagine trying to get a weekend with a week
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: or two weeks with you know that sounds so incredibly difficult, it.
• 38:08
  Speaker 5: Sounds cliche, but I truly feel like to the stuff
• 38:11
  Speaker 5: that we're writing is the best sense of love and lunacy.
• 38:15
  Speaker 5: I think it the most with that record.
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: What makes it, what makes you feel that way.
• 38:21
  Speaker 5: I think, is how much fun we're having doing it.
• 38:23
  Speaker 5: It's not it's not very cool. There's zero labor. It's
• 38:27
  Speaker 5: all love I did. Yeah, I absolutely love the songs.
• 38:30
  Speaker 5: There's no the motivation. It's not to even gain fans.
• 38:33
  Speaker 5: It's not to appease fans. It's not to get a
• 38:39
  Speaker 5: bigger crowd or anything. It's simply for the love of
• 38:41
  Speaker 5: writing music, which is just what which is exactly why
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: I think of Love and Lunacy. Well, it's my favorite
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: record that we personally have done. Is it's just your
• 38:50
  Speaker 5: kids writing music having fun. And now I just turned
• 38:53
  Speaker 5: forty and I'm back to where I was when I
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: was nineteen.
• 38:59
  Speaker 4: Love that. That's got to be a very cool feeling
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: to try to recapture in that moment.
• 39:04
  Speaker 5: It is because I, honestly I had I went through
• 39:08
  Speaker 5: a couple of years where I didn't enjoy going to concerts.
• 39:12
  Speaker 5: I think it's tourings. I was burnout. I didn't enjoy
• 39:16
  Speaker 5: going to concerts, I didn't enjoy listening to full records.
• 39:20
  Speaker 5: But even within the past like three to four years,
• 39:24
  Speaker 5: like I feel that fire again. Maybe you know what
• 39:26
  Speaker 5: it is. It's midlife crisis.
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: You forgot how the sausage is made, That's it.
• 39:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but no, I'm so excited for people to hear
• 39:34
  Speaker 5: these songs. And you know what, if you guys just
• 39:37
  Speaker 5: hear them, If ten thousand, one hundred thousand people hear them, great,
• 39:41
  Speaker 5: But either way, it's just fun to be writ in
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: records with the guys.
• 39:45
  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, yeah, I love that is there is there
• 39:50
  Speaker 4: anything special with this EP that you guys have planned
• 39:55
  Speaker 4: that you are like, oh my gosh, I can't wait
• 39:57
  Speaker 4: till everyone hears this. In particular, there's guess.
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: The spot, but that hasn't been announced yet, so we're gonna, yeah,
• 40:08
  Speaker 5: that'll be cool. It hasn't happened, how it hasn't been required,
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: so we can't announce it yet just in case it
• 40:13
  Speaker 5: doesn't happen. It'll happen.
• 40:18
  Speaker 3: Yeah, But I think we just tried to write five
• 40:21
  Speaker 3: just cool songs. There's really not like a a theme
• 40:25
  Speaker 3: to them. Overall, I think lyrically they're kind of connected,
• 40:28
  Speaker 3: but musically we didn't try to be like this sound
• 40:30
  Speaker 3: or this sound. I think overall it's kind of just
• 40:34
  Speaker 3: it's like five bangers.
• 40:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it kind.
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: Of sounds like still Remains, but a little bit updated. Yeah,
• 40:39
  Speaker 3: there's one there's one song that's kind of even hard
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: style influence that Zach wrote, so kind of showing off
• 40:46
  Speaker 3: a different side of the band. It's more keyboard, almost
• 40:50
  Speaker 3: techno driven, but that's only for part of it. Something
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: that's he's always kind of pushed. But it was cool
• 40:55
  Speaker 3: to kind of explore that. Very cool, and I think
• 40:59
  Speaker 3: that's that's everybody's favorite song, even though it's like the
• 41:01
  Speaker 3: most different song. I love that it's still very heavy.
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: I know Mason and I in particular, we appreciate whatever
• 41:10
  Speaker 4: variety and spice can be brought to the table. Yeah,
• 41:14
  Speaker 4: And I think what's interesting about Story Remains is you
• 41:17
  Speaker 4: guys kind of got out right as things got pretty
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: meager and pretty disgusting in the scene in general, and
• 41:25
  Speaker 4: by discussing, I mean like everyone was just copying everyone
• 41:28
  Speaker 4: doing the exact same thing for about five to eight years,
• 41:34
  Speaker 4: and then things started picking up, people started coming together
• 41:39
  Speaker 4: and making new things that were actually interesting again. And
• 41:43
  Speaker 4: I know for Mason and I we had a reinvigoration
• 41:49
  Speaker 4: and a reintroduction to the scene.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: To a certain extent, it's like a whole renaissance for
• 41:54
  Speaker 2: it last for us. I mean, I don't know if
• 41:55
  Speaker 2: it's like generally that's.
• 41:57
  Speaker 3: I kind of similar kind of lost interests in the
• 42:01
  Speaker 3: genre as a whole. And yeah, now you're starting to
• 42:04
  Speaker 3: get some new like newer and exciting bands or in
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: the past, you know, maybe five years.
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: Ten Yeah, last five five to ten years. Yeah, you've
• 42:12
  Speaker 4: nailed it. And I think that I think what's interesting
• 42:15
  Speaker 4: is a lot of times it's the bands from that
• 42:20
  Speaker 4: two thousand and one to two thousand and ten to
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: twelve era that are actually coming back and making new
• 42:29
  Speaker 4: music that is the most exciting stuff because it has
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: that older kind of flavor that is reminiscent of a
• 42:36
  Speaker 4: time when it seemed like a scene that was a
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: little more serious, but also bringing in modern influences that
• 42:45
  Speaker 4: are not distasteful. They are intriguing, and they are with
• 42:54
  Speaker 4: greater musicianship because you guys have developed so much more, right,
• 42:57
  Speaker 4: I mean, you were you had back then you had youth,
• 43:00
  Speaker 4: you had the zest and zeal for life, and now
• 43:02
  Speaker 4: today you're technically more talented, you have life experience under
• 43:08
  Speaker 4: your belt. You're the things that you're discussing in the
• 43:12
  Speaker 4: music itself is maybe a little more nuance, a little
• 43:15
  Speaker 4: more introspective and less retrospective. So I'm very very excited
• 43:21
  Speaker 4: for it, and I'm I expect this is going to
• 43:25
  Speaker 4: be an extremely highly anticipated from you guys.
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: So that's cool. Yeah, we hope. So, I mean, the
• 43:31
  Speaker 3: whole reason we do this, I think, is you know,
• 43:33
  Speaker 3: A for fun and b we hope, we hope other
• 43:36
  Speaker 3: people like it.
• 43:37
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I doubt that's going to be an issue. Yea,
• 43:41
  Speaker 4: hopefully not just from your European friends.
• 43:44
  Speaker 3: We want we want everybody. Yeah, so we want to
• 43:48
  Speaker 3: be able to play more shows here and you know
• 43:49
  Speaker 3: we want to have a reason to do that. Oh yeah,
• 43:52
  Speaker 3: so we need we need more people to pay attention.
• 43:54
  Speaker 4: Do you feel like do you feel like some people
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: have like discovered you late, like well passed the time
• 44:03
  Speaker 4: frame that they should have.
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: From socials and seeing comments yes, like okay, comments saying
• 44:09
  Speaker 5: like first time hearing you. Obviously we don't play shows
• 44:14
  Speaker 5: that often, so we don't have that many interactions in person,
• 44:16
  Speaker 5: but right, just weird.
• 44:19
  Speaker 3: I think a lot of yeah, even just a lot
• 44:22
  Speaker 3: of finding our old fans. Like you know, technically we
• 44:26
  Speaker 3: broke up in two thousand and eight and we got
• 44:28
  Speaker 3: back together to twenty eleven. We've been back together ever since. Yeah,
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: but people still I didn't know you guys are.
• 44:35
  Speaker 5: A band well back together but hardly active. Truth.
• 44:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we don't. We don't do much. No, I mean,
• 44:40
  Speaker 3: we're not like a broken up band more like our
• 44:42
  Speaker 3: group chat is back together.
• 44:45
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it probably feels more together for you guys than
• 44:48
  Speaker 4: it does for the fans.
• 44:49
  Speaker 3: Yeah, quite possibly, And I think, yeah, the biggest challenge
• 44:52
  Speaker 3: has just been like finding finding those old fans again.
• 44:55
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's huge saying yeah yeah, I mean, like honestly,
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: a lot of that is like, you know, just like
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: from a social media perspective, like that social media landscape
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: when you guys were for you know, MySpace, maybe even
• 45:09
  Speaker 2: before that. I mean, you guys were even pretty active
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: before my Space stuff. So it's like, how do you
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: how do you find those fans that were like literally
• 45:19
  Speaker 2: at this point, like two social media platforms of generations
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: that you know, have since passed. Like that's that's the
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: whole thing to navigate like that that I can't even
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: imagine what that would have been like like I'm trying
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: to think like like an influencer from two thousand and
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: one or to get.
• 45:37
  Speaker 4: It, okay, Jesus, but.
• 45:41
  Speaker 2: Like think like literally think of like the social media
• 45:43
  Speaker 2: like like think of the people who are like social
• 45:45
  Speaker 2: media people, not like not people that were on TV,
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: but like social media people that people, Yeah, what whatever
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: that would have even been. Like I feel like that
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: the snail mail people. I don't even know what that.
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: That one social media person I remember. I remember Jeffrey
• 46:03
  Speaker 5: Star was like in the scene Jeffree Star Yeah.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that's like that's even like kind of yeah
• 46:09
  Speaker 2: right around. But like imagine like that and like having
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: to then like figure out what the next thing is
• 46:16
  Speaker 2: if you wanted to restart a thing like that's a
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: it's a real thing and I can't even imagine like
• 46:21
  Speaker 2: what that would have been like. But my goodness, that's
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: that's a lot of work. Like credit for you guys
• 46:25
  Speaker 2: for like trying to do that work, because that's like truly,
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: it's a real thing and I can't even imagine it.
• 46:32
  Speaker 5: It works.
• 46:33
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we try and yeah it works not very well,
• 46:38
  Speaker 3: but you know we put our best foot forward and
• 46:41
  Speaker 3: you know that's that's all we can do. And that's fine.
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: But the thing is is like that that's gonna be
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: the case, Like there's gonna be some band that like
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: does well twenty years from now that was like, well
• 46:51
  Speaker 2: we were doing the TikTok thing and it never really
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: happened or whatever, and like, I don't like that. That's
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: gonna be a thing like every generation is gonna have that.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: But god, like that's like but again, like to your credit,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: like you're working hard, like you're doing what you love,
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: and that's like that's what we have to respect everybody for,
• 47:07
  Speaker 2: Like you do what you love and you made some
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: music that really for a lot of people, like this
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: was really important, and like I mean that that's gonna
• 47:15
  Speaker 2: be count for something, right.
• 47:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's I mean, that's very cool. It's it's so
• 47:18
  Speaker 3: cool to see like we're just some random band and
• 47:22
  Speaker 3: people still care about it twenty years later, Like oh yeah,
• 47:26
  Speaker 3: some people very deeply, And that's that's very humbling.
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I mean, I mean, that's.
• 47:31
  Speaker 3: That's the coolest thing about being involved in this band.
• 47:34
  Speaker 4: Really, I have one last thing to ask before we
• 47:39
  Speaker 4: move on to the top three most influential albums from
• 47:42
  Speaker 4: you two, and it is this, so roughly, how close
• 47:48
  Speaker 4: an age are you guys? I should ask that.
• 47:50
  Speaker 3: First two years, two and a half years?
• 47:52
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, all.
• 47:57
  Speaker 4: Right, I'm just curious because you got looks so completely
• 48:01
  Speaker 4: different in age. Jordan Fee, I feel like you might
• 48:05
  Speaker 4: be stealing blood from babies or something like that.
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: AJ.
• 48:10
  Speaker 4: I feel like you've spent like the last like twenty
• 48:13
  Speaker 4: years in like an indie rock band, and I'm like
• 48:16
  Speaker 4: really learning, like becoming like a like a Somalia or
• 48:19
  Speaker 4: something like that as well.
• 48:21
  Speaker 5: Well, mister A just has that what do they call that?
• 48:24
  Speaker 5: What's that gray look? AJ?
• 48:26
  Speaker 3: Silver fox fox Fuck.
• 48:28
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 48:28
  Speaker 2: I was about to say, like Colin, that's funny you
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: think that Jordan looks like the the indie rock band,
• 48:32
  Speaker 2: where I think AJ looks like he could be like
• 48:35
  Speaker 2: the the drum tech for Death Captin.
• 48:41
  Speaker 5: No, It's it's so funny. It is like I always
• 48:45
  Speaker 5: I've always attributed like not getting gray to not having kids.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: That does since I got kid, you're like a nun
• 48:55
  Speaker 2: that's like, yes, exactly, non none say the same.
• 48:58
  Speaker 5: From my wife and I we you know, watch our
• 49:02
  Speaker 5: YouTube videos and relax. And then it's eleven o'clock. It's like, which,
• 49:05
  Speaker 5: I guess we should go to bed and relax more tomorrow.
• 49:11
  Speaker 3: I'm crazy.
• 49:11
  Speaker 2: Is this your way of saying that AJ has like
• 49:13
  Speaker 2: five kids? I got to but you look like you have.
• 49:17
  Speaker 5: To, mister silver Fox. You started, uh, I was going
• 49:23
  Speaker 5: great pretty early, developing that look in what twenty twenty one,
• 49:27
  Speaker 5: that gorgeous look.
• 49:29
  Speaker 3: Oh no, wait before that raw?
• 49:32
  Speaker 4: Do you mean the age age twenty one or the
• 49:34
  Speaker 4: year twenty twenty one age?
• 49:37
  Speaker 3: Oh no, not that early. I was going great, probably
• 49:41
  Speaker 3: by the time I was thirty, like mid thirties, and
• 49:46
  Speaker 3: then it's kind of accelerated a bit, but it's a
• 49:50
  Speaker 3: I'll deal with it. People in the street most of
• 49:53
  Speaker 3: the time.
• 49:53
  Speaker 2: It's sexy. Right now.
• 49:55
  Speaker 4: I think you could. I think you could walk into
• 49:57
  Speaker 4: MPR studios and demand your OW radio show right now.
• 50:02
  Speaker 5: The question I'm to know what you don't have to answer?
• 50:08
  Speaker 5: Is it gray everywhere? You don't know? Don't don't answer
• 50:14
  Speaker 5: that question that.
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: You can see my beard.
• 50:20
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's not the he's talking about your toe hair.
• 50:29
  Speaker 4: Not this great.
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: That's not great.
• 50:32
  Speaker 4: Silver it is silver. That that is true. That is true.
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: It's like when when you wipe what comes off.
• 50:40
  Speaker 3: My god, you assume those are deep dark black.
• 50:44
  Speaker 2: Oh wow, all right, so I have hees. Differently, I
• 50:50
  Speaker 2: have such a.
• 50:50
  Speaker 4: Terrible image in my head.
• 50:51
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 50:53
  Speaker 4: Oh, all right, top three most influential records from we're
• 51:00
  Speaker 4: not cutting that, by the way, We're definitely not.
• 51:04
  Speaker 3: I mean at least two of mine. Huh, all right,
• 51:09
  Speaker 3: well should.
• 51:10
  Speaker 4: I should mention a different record? Influential does not mean
• 51:15
  Speaker 4: your most favorite?
• 51:16
  Speaker 5: Absolutely, yeah, yeah, So I would say my first favorite
• 51:20
  Speaker 5: and most influential record on new music is Ran said
• 51:24
  Speaker 5: I'll Come to the Wolves, the very first album that
• 51:27
  Speaker 5: like sparked something inside my body, Like I felt that record.
• 51:32
  Speaker 5: I grew up listening to music. But for some reason,
• 51:35
  Speaker 5: like every time I throw that record on, I get
• 51:37
  Speaker 5: chills on my spine. Still I can sing every single
• 51:40
  Speaker 5: lyric off of it. Obviously, way different than a lot
• 51:44
  Speaker 5: of Let's tell you, j.
• 51:46
  Speaker 3: Oh, I want to do my my first next. We'll
• 51:49
  Speaker 3: go take chronological order.
• 51:50
  Speaker 5: Yeah, your next, yeah, all right?
• 51:54
  Speaker 3: Mine is very similar. It's no effects. I heard they
• 51:57
  Speaker 3: suck live. It was like the first live record kind
• 52:00
  Speaker 3: of compilation of all of the early no effects stuff.
• 52:03
  Speaker 3: I guess we both kind of grew up as like
• 52:05
  Speaker 3: punk kids initially. Yeah still are still one of my
• 52:09
  Speaker 3: favorite bands of all time.
• 52:11
  Speaker 5: I just I got into No Effects like late, like
• 52:14
  Speaker 5: the past five years. Yeah you did, but oh wow,
• 52:17
  Speaker 5: that's a great record. Second for me would be Zayo
• 52:20
  Speaker 5: where blood and Fire brings rest. Of course, it was
• 52:23
  Speaker 5: the first metal concert I had attended. Shoot. I think
• 52:28
  Speaker 5: it had to have been two thousand, two thousand or
• 52:32
  Speaker 5: two thousand and one, so I was fifteen or sixteen
• 52:34
  Speaker 5: years old, you know twenty, I was fifteen, and it
• 52:37
  Speaker 5: just changed me. I learned so many of those rifts.
• 52:41
  Speaker 5: I copied or I borrowed so many of those rifts,
• 52:44
  Speaker 5: and then it was so weird to later become on
• 52:45
  Speaker 5: become like well quote unquote friends, you know, all those guys.
• 52:50
  Speaker 5: It was a surreal experience, but great records.
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: Are you Are you hanging around at Furnace Fest long
• 52:55
  Speaker 2: enough to watch their set?
• 52:57
  Speaker 5: Absolutely?
• 52:57
  Speaker 3: What day did they play? The play Saturday?
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: To look again, I know that they are playing.
• 53:05
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it'd be very cool to see them and and
• 53:07
  Speaker 5: Dan guests vocals on our self released album.
• 53:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah Love Dan. Yeah, he's a good dude.
• 53:16
  Speaker 5: I lost touch with him, But a number two for you.
• 53:19
  Speaker 3: I got two records same time frame that accomplished the
• 53:23
  Speaker 3: same purpose, which kind of introduced me to moving from
• 53:27
  Speaker 3: punk to like metal Rage against the Machine, Evil Empire
• 53:32
  Speaker 3: and Death Tones around the Fur where it was like,
• 53:37
  Speaker 3: oh my god, what is this? What is this feeling?
• 53:42
  Speaker 3: This heaviness that it was like angry and you know,
• 53:46
  Speaker 3: it kind of had the same attitude as punk, but
• 53:48
  Speaker 3: it was like, oh my god, you can be like
• 53:50
  Speaker 3: really it sounds as angry as it is hissed.
• 53:55
  Speaker 5: Yeah, number three, that was number three to toss up,
• 54:02
  Speaker 5: I'm interested, what is gonna say his thirdest Inflames Colony?
• 54:06
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it was the first that is there? That
• 54:10
  Speaker 4: is the correct answer.
• 54:11
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say, I would say Oracle or Claiman.
• 54:14
  Speaker 5: It's got to be Claimant.
• 54:17
  Speaker 3: Oracle Claiman was the first. It was like very accessible.
• 54:20
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but both of that, it's I mean without Inflames
• 54:24
  Speaker 5: Colony and Clayman like, I don't think still remains. Would
• 54:28
  Speaker 5: they still would? Yeah, like we would not sound the
• 54:31
  Speaker 5: way we sound, and I don't think we would have
• 54:33
  Speaker 5: taken the path that we did to write those songs
• 54:38
  Speaker 5: that eventually got up to the world.
• 54:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, but.
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: Mm hmm, Yeah, when I listened to a lot of
• 54:45
  Speaker 2: like Inflames or even like Shihulud, Like I know, you
• 54:48
  Speaker 2: guys didn't mention Shilahud, but like when I think of
• 54:51
  Speaker 2: like some of those bands and hear some of their
• 54:54
  Speaker 2: early stuff from like I mean, that's a lot of
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: that's like mid nineties, late nineties, Like it's hard to
• 55:01
  Speaker 2: believe any of that stuff, like later on in the
• 55:03
  Speaker 2: two thousands would have ever existed. Like in Flames in
• 55:06
  Speaker 2: Chai Halud were really truly next level of influencing a
• 55:11
  Speaker 2: whole generation in bands of like being able to converge
• 55:14
  Speaker 2: hardcore kind of drumming and percussion with these really cool
• 55:19
  Speaker 2: metal riffs and being able to merge them in a
• 55:21
  Speaker 2: way that was so unique. And you get bands like
• 55:24
  Speaker 2: you know Still Remains, and you know, all these other
• 55:26
  Speaker 2: bands that kind of come after that. But it's it's
• 55:28
  Speaker 2: pretty incredible, like in Flames and both. And let's give
• 55:32
  Speaker 2: Shai Halud its credit too, they were they were right
• 55:34
  Speaker 2: there with them.
• 55:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, yes, there you haven't top three.
• 55:40
  Speaker 4: It's good, that's good. Three. Yeah, did you did you
• 55:42
  Speaker 4: say Claiman would be your your third then, or did
• 55:46
  Speaker 4: you have a different one?
• 55:47
  Speaker 3: Okay, all right, good call, good call. Yeah.
• 55:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great album.
• 55:54
  Speaker 4: I definitely hear I definitely hear each of those in
• 55:57
  Speaker 4: Story Remains as well. It makes total sense next to
• 56:00
  Speaker 4: all sense.
• 56:02
  Speaker 3: Yeah, we were never that covert about covering it up.
• 56:05
  Speaker 5: No, listen to White Walls and then if you listen
• 56:08
  Speaker 5: to the song white Walls and then compare that with
• 56:10
  Speaker 5: Colinie and clay Man, it's like, oh.
• 56:15
  Speaker 3: Oh, there's put breakdowns and some keyboards.
• 56:17
  Speaker 5: Okay.
• 56:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 56:18
  Speaker 4: Something interesting though, is that there's there's a group of
• 56:20
  Speaker 4: bands from from that mid two thousands, mid to late
• 56:27
  Speaker 4: two thousands time frame that definitely kind of fall into
• 56:30
  Speaker 4: that same same kind of sound. And I can't quite
• 56:35
  Speaker 4: I don't know if I have like a good way
• 56:37
  Speaker 4: to like categorize it, and I don't even know if
• 56:39
  Speaker 4: it deserves categorization or not, but almost like like I
• 56:42
  Speaker 4: would put like kill Switch Engage in that same kind
• 56:44
  Speaker 4: of category.
• 56:47
  Speaker 5: Yeah, there there, I mean Killswitch's entire sound comes from.
• 56:50
  Speaker 2: You know.
• 56:53
  Speaker 4: That? And then yeah, yeah, yeah, absolutely. So there's there
• 57:00
  Speaker 4: is a smaller scene or a smaller sub sect of
• 57:03
  Speaker 4: the scene that is like European influenced, and it's like
• 57:08
  Speaker 4: all the good stuff from Europe, like none of like
• 57:11
  Speaker 4: the slop from Europe, which is so cool. But I
• 57:15
  Speaker 4: feel like I feel like you guys are kind of
• 57:17
  Speaker 4: like in that you guys are one of the standard
• 57:19
  Speaker 4: bearers of that more subsect of Thank you.
• 57:23
  Speaker 5: Yea cool yeah, yeah, oh yeah shout off the soil
• 57:27
  Speaker 5: Work also, yes, yeah, massive massive influence on us.
• 57:32
  Speaker 3: Really, we were listening to well, the record came out
• 57:36
  Speaker 3: right into the end of two thousand and four figured
• 57:40
  Speaker 3: No One after that. I mean we listened to that
• 57:42
  Speaker 3: record very heavily, and that's probably my favorite soil Work
• 57:45
  Speaker 3: record figure figure five. We were listening to NonStop in
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: the studio because it had just come out, Gotcha, And
• 57:53
  Speaker 3: I think, yeah, there's a there's the intro first song,
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: and that's on their record. Sounds very similar to Flipping
• 57:59
  Speaker 3: out the Fire. Sure, I wonder where that came from.
• 58:03
  Speaker 4: This might be going out on a limb. But was
• 58:05
  Speaker 4: there any extol influence at all as well.
• 58:08
  Speaker 5: In the early days, Yeah, the early days, okay, all right?
• 58:12
  Speaker 4: Yeah? Sometimes sometimes I catch a little X hole in
• 58:14
  Speaker 4: there too, and it's just like I like that, I
• 58:17
  Speaker 4: really really scratches that itch of mine. So all right, well,
• 58:21
  Speaker 4: what would you guys like to plug? So guys got
• 58:23
  Speaker 4: the new EP at some point, do you know when roughly.
• 58:27
  Speaker 3: We would like to have a song out in the
• 58:29
  Speaker 3: next couple of months. It's I so you tracked drums
• 58:32
  Speaker 3: last now, which is a weird thing. So I just
• 58:34
  Speaker 3: tracked drums last weekend. We got a couple of vocal
• 58:37
  Speaker 3: things to finish up. But it's it's almost done and
• 58:39
  Speaker 3: we're gonna mix it and we'll have something out this fall,
• 58:43
  Speaker 3: ideally before these shows we play, but we're playing, so
• 58:47
  Speaker 3: we're doing some special Love of Noon to Sea shows.
• 58:50
  Speaker 3: We do do like a full album playthrough at our
• 58:53
  Speaker 3: ground rapid show. So we have a hometown show August
• 58:55
  Speaker 3: sixteenth at the scheme, and then we're playing Furnace Fast
• 59:00
  Speaker 3: on the Friday, so October third, and then our UK
• 59:03
  Speaker 3: tour starts in middle of November and we're doing ten
• 59:07
  Speaker 3: shows there.
• 59:09
  Speaker 4: Hecky beautiful.
• 59:10
  Speaker 3: Yeah.
• 59:11
  Speaker 2: Also, by the way, that that Friday slot for Furnace
• 59:13
  Speaker 2: Fest might be the best slot because especially if you
• 59:15
  Speaker 2: guys are staying around for the rest of the weekend,
• 59:18
  Speaker 2: like you just get that show done and then you
• 59:20
  Speaker 2: could just hang out the rest of it. Yeah, that's great.
• 59:22
  Speaker 4: Zayo plays Saturday by the way, Oh cool.
• 59:25
  Speaker 5: Yeah yeah, I'm sticking out for that for sure.
• 59:29
  Speaker 4: Hell yeah, hell yeah.
• 59:31
  Speaker 3: So this is the most active we've been in a
• 59:33
  Speaker 3: long time, and it's a good year for it. We'll
• 59:35
  Speaker 3: see what we do after that. I would anticipate will
• 59:38
  Speaker 3: keep putting out a couple of songs, you know, a
• 59:41
  Speaker 3: couple songs a year away.
• 59:43
  Speaker 4: At it beautiful? Well, we are waiting in dripping anticipation.
• 59:49
  Speaker 4: I tell you what I can't wait. Dripping? Does it
• 59:57
  Speaker 4: turn you on a little bit? Is how you're trying
• 59:58
  Speaker 4: to say?
• 59:59
  Speaker 5: Turn all right?
• 1:00:04
  Speaker 4: Anything else you'd like to plug?
• 1:00:08
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, So you know we're all getting older. Heavy
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 3: metal dads is a thing. So we're we're we've been
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 3: throwing this around. Everybody's been trying to get in shape.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 3: We're doing like a heavy metal dad workout series.
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like making music for like metal workouts kind
• 1:00:26
  Speaker 2: of thing or well that and.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 3: We're going to do We're going to be doing the
• 1:00:30
  Speaker 3: workout videos too.
• 1:00:31
  Speaker 4: Nice.
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 3: Oh yeah, so yeah, everybody's getting in shape for these shows.
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 3: You got to work off the beer gut?
• 1:00:36
  Speaker 4: Does it come with your zeppatide.
• 1:00:40
  Speaker 5: What it is?
• 1:00:47
  Speaker 3: All right, I was getting ripped.
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: I'm just hoping that it came with a dose of
• 1:00:51
  Speaker 4: ozembic for for myself.
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 3: That's that's where we're building muscles.
• 1:00:57
  Speaker 2: There we go, all right, we're not just losing weight.
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 4: We're building not just losing weight.
• 1:01:01
  Speaker 3: We're all going to come out of these shows looking
• 1:01:03
  Speaker 3: like the singer of is that Harm's way, the guy
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 3: who's just Jack.
• 1:01:07
  Speaker 4: I would rather come out looking like like Tim on Bisis.
• 1:01:13
  Speaker 5: Dude's ripped.
• 1:01:15
  Speaker 4: Wow.
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 2: That's one way to.
• 1:01:21
  Speaker 4: That is one way to describe it there.
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 2: There might be other ways, but that is one way.
• 1:01:29
  Speaker 2: I love it. Well. As long as long as we
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 2: can avoid murdering or trying to murder somebody, you know that,
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 2: it sounds like a really great plan for you all.
• 1:01:38
  Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, well we'll steer clear that.
• 1:01:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, or abusing your wife in any kind of way verbally.
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 3: Or or a dog or yeah, anybody in your band.
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 4: So, so is this is the plan for for this
• 1:01:50
  Speaker 4: to become like the next like P ninety x kind
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 4: of situation ideally.
• 1:01:56
  Speaker 2: Kind of like a CrossFit.
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 5: Vibe I'm sorry, or kids like army audience isn't like
• 1:02:04
  Speaker 5: you know it's.
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 4: It's Yeah, I kind of like the I kind of
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 4: like the idea of like it being for normies too, though,
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 4: you know, like you're you're you're trying to grow the
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 4: scene by creating creating this in a way that that's
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 4: going to you know, get like the I like the
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 4: mom who wants to be rebellious but like can't, and
• 1:02:30
  Speaker 4: like this is like her time to like make her
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 4: feel like she's a part of a scene and and
• 1:02:35
  Speaker 4: gonna be rebellious in some sort of there.
• 1:02:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that might require Turnstile to be involved,
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 2: but somebody much than us.
• 1:02:46
  Speaker 4: Yeah, turns out might need to be involved in general,
• 1:02:49
  Speaker 4: just because those dudes are all ripped and and the
• 1:02:51
  Speaker 4: gallas ripped to I can't remember her name.
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 2: Right now, but yeah, she's from Britain.
• 1:02:55
  Speaker 4: Yeah she looks very nice.
• 1:02:59
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so up, all right, Well, I'm excited to work
• 1:03:03
  Speaker 2: out to a little still remains uh me too. You know,
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 2: you know I've been I've been doing a little bit
• 1:03:08
  Speaker 2: more working out myself, and I know Colin has been
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 2: for a little while, and god, I could use a
• 1:03:14
  Speaker 2: little still remains in my my rotation.
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 4: It is in my rotation right now, So but I
• 1:03:20
  Speaker 4: do need I do need your face to help motivate
• 1:03:22
  Speaker 4: me as well.
• 1:03:23
  Speaker 2: So I want to make sure all of my hairs
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 2: on my body look like.
• 1:03:29
  Speaker 4: That would be like a Dragon ball Z commercial.
• 1:03:42
  Speaker 2: All right, well a j Jordan, thank you so much
• 1:03:45
  Speaker 2: for chatting. We're super excited, uh to see you guys
• 1:03:48
  Speaker 2: at Furness Fast. Colin and I will be there. I
• 1:03:50
  Speaker 2: don't know, I don't know if that was not much clear,
• 1:03:52
  Speaker 2: but hell yeah, we will be there. We'll make sure
• 1:03:54
  Speaker 2: we give you guys a big hug and uh and
• 1:03:56
  Speaker 2: say hi and so we're just really excited and so yeah,
• 1:03:59
  Speaker 2: for those who are listening, if you have not yet,
• 1:04:02
  Speaker 2: please get some Furns Fest tickets so you can go
• 1:04:04
  Speaker 2: watch Still Remains and plenty of other incredible bands. So
• 1:04:08
  Speaker 2: thanks so much for chatting with us, guys, and we
• 1:04:10
  Speaker 2: look forward to the new music and look forward to
• 1:04:13
  Speaker 2: seeing you guys soon.
• 1:04:14
  Speaker 5: Cheers, Thanks you guys.
• 1:04:16
  Speaker 1: Hell yeah,