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Into The Weeds Podcast - What Are Baptisms for the Dead · Military Broadcast Radio | MBR Talk

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  Hello everybody, and welcome to Into the Weeds podcast here on
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  Military Broadcast Radio. I'm Amber.
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  I'm Laura and this is 0. And today again, a repeat guest
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  from last week, we have Tony from inside the Who's Your Mind?
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  Hi, I appreciate you guys having me back.
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  I I did just well enough to make you guys both laugh that you're
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  like, OK, we got to at least bring you back for a little bit
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  of comedic relief if anything. Oh, you always make us laugh.
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  Sorry. I try.
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  I try. Yeah, it does get a little loud.
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  Laura's got ear problems. The wrong 1.
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  I don't know. Keep talking.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  Hello. Hello.
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  Hello. That's mine.
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  Yeah, she's trying to I'm. Moving mine.
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  Yeah. It was mine 3.
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  Maybe, I don't know. Tony, say something.
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  Can you hear me now? And I see Joy's here, Joy.
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  I'm happy that you're here. And she gets to see me for the
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  whole episode if she wants to. She's glad.
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  To cheer here. Hello, Kathleen and Joy and Sam.
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  And I don't know if anybody else jumped in, but thank you for
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  joining us last week. We had Tony and we just kind of
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  biessed our way through the stream.
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  I. Think it went well.
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  I think it did too. I think we had a really good
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  time. Especially for no plans.
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  Yeah, exactly. So, But today we're going to go
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  back to the topic that we were originally going to talk about
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  last week, and that is baptism of the dead.
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  And I had heard about it, but I didn't really know much about it
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  because when I was in college, I took a bunch of courses on
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  different faiths and all that stuff.
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  So I remember some things, but there's only one spot in the
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  Bible where it even talks about baptizing the dead.
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  And Paul says that it's 1st Corinthians 1529, I believe, and
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  it, it basically just alludes to a practice that was happening in
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  the Corinthian church, but he doesn't elaborate on it.
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  And so for the fact that the Mormon church built a whole
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  doctrine around something that wasn't even elaborated on or
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  anything like that, you know, I find fascinating.
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  And unfortunately there's a lot of churches that do that.
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  They take a specific text out of the Bible or verse or whatever
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  and build something around it that was never meant to be.
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  And I grew up in Baptist Church and now I go to a non
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  denominational Christian Church. And so everything we do is in
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  the public. When you get baptized, it's a
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  public profession in front of everybody, and anybody can walk
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  in those doors and see what's going on.
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  So the fact that everything's so secret in the Mormon church just
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  reinforces to me, even more so after researching all of this,
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  that it really does look like a cult.
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  And you know, sometimes I'm a little afraid to put that label
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  out there or whatever to offend people and things like that,
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  because everybody has a right to believe whatever they want.
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  But the stuff I'm seeing is just very odd.
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  Yeah, I say I, I worked with, I, I come to find out I worked with
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  two Mormons. 1 was a Sergeant in the Marine Corps and he was an
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  infantryman. And I noticed that he wouldn't
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  do, he wouldn't do caffeine. He also wouldn't cuss.
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  And it's like, isn't that like your guys whole reason for
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  existing is like cursing and just being marines and
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  everything like that? Like he was the exact opposite.
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  Also fun fact that is completely unrelated.
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  He looked like Sid the sloth, like the the eyes were just
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  farted. Like he was just really buff and
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  he did. He looked like he had a sloth.
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  And I was like, I can't, I can't deal with you, man.
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  But I didn't, I didn't know that he was Mormon.
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  And so I've come to find out when I actually went to Utah for
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  a work trip a couple years ago, I met up with an old supervisor.
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  I had a ton of respect for him. And I used to always know he
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  wouldn't touch alcohol. And I was like, OK, maybe it's
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  just a personal thing. Like I have family members that
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  they are really easily addicted to alcohol.
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  So I'm like, OK, maybe he just doesn't like no, no harm, no
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  foul, no judgement. And then come to find out he's
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  Mormon. But he was like a different
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  Mormon than this one because he is definitely dropped like the F
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  bomb and all of that. And I was like, OK, I was like,
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  maybe he's like Mormon light if there is such a thing.
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  But but while I was in Utah, like I actually did see like a
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  group of Mormons 'cause they all had like the shirts, they even
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  had name tags 'cause I thought when we went into this mall that
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  they worked there and I was like, oh, you don't work there.
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  Never mind, my bad. My bad.
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  Yeah, it's a it's a very interesting culture.
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  Very interesting. I have to say, if it looks like
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  a cult, smells like a cult, tastes like a cult, might be, I
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  don't know, It doesn't mean that every single person that's in it
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  is a bad person with, you know, bad intentions in my opinion.
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  But, you know, it doesn't mean that you're not going to operate
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  in that way. So I feel like our guest of the
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  week might have some opinions on that.
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  Yeah, and so we are going to bring up culty stuff.
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  And if you guys don't remember culty stuff actually went by
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  another name misses Fancy Pants in the Rose community.
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  So if you don't remember that she's.
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  Like, don't bring up that. No, but I, I just want everybody
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  to be able to correlate who this is.
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  So hey, the way that community has been going.
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  No, thank you. OK, so anyways, we're going to
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  bring up culty stuff. And, and by the way, the reason
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  I brought her, I wanted to bring her on to talk about this is
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  because I was listening to her talk on Jaden Jeff's podcast,
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  Warren Jeff's son, and she was talking about this.
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  So by the end of it, I was like, what the freak is baptism of the
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  dead? I want to know more.
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  So without further ado. The interview of the week is
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  brought to you by Jersey Mike's, a sub above.
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  Hello, Steph. Hi, Steph.
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  Hey thanks for having me. Yeah.
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  Thank you for coming on. For joining us, you're always
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  fun, Yeah. I was I was really hoping
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  everyone would forget that other name.
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  I won't say it next time. I won't say it.
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  Sorry, no. It's.
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  OK. It's OK, I know.
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  Laura was watching me backstage, laughing.
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  I was like, oh, I don't know if she.
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  But. Hey.
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  I mean, hey. Yeah.
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  OK. So Stephanie, like I said, I saw
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  you on Jaden's podcast. And by the way, I'm so proud of
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  you for getting up there and doing that because that's a huge
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  platform. You did a great job too.
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  Thank you. Thank you.
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  I was really nervous about it actually, but Jason's awesome.
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  He's like, he's so sweet. Yeah, and I bet it's really hard
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  for him having a dad like that and living with that stigma.
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  But even having a dad like that, I saw that he was like listening
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  to some of the things that you were saying.
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  He's like, oh, even with Warren Jeffs is my dad.
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  I feel like the things I went through aren't even.
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  They didn't even hold a candle. I know.
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  I know. Like when you shock the cult
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  leader's son, like, that's, that's pretty intense.
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  Right, Right. Right.
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  Yeah. So, I mean, I came out of there,
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  like, believing that the FLDS were definitely treated better
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  than I was treated. So it was, it's really
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  interesting, like, to talk and compare the two religions
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  because they're so close. Yeah.
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  Yeah. Definitely.
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  OK. So can you give us a background
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  about your baptismal experience? And we'll go from there into the
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  baptism of the dead, But like how old were you when you
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  officially joined the church or how does that happen?
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  And then the baptismal process. Yeah.
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  So when you're born, they have what's called a baby blessing,
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  and that's when your name is put on the record.
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  So you gave give the baby a name and a blessing and that makes
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  them like kind of a member. And then you get baptized when
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  you're 8. So when you're 7, you start
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  memorizing the articles of faith.
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  And then you have to know a couple other things, like to get
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  baptized. And then at 8 years old, you
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  make this massive decision that's supposed to last your
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  entire life into eternity, and you get baptized.
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  And So what it looks like? Yeah, at 8, at 8:00, it's, it's
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  pretty intense, right? That's a lot of responsibility
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  for nature, Yeah. Right.
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  Yeah. And all figured out by.
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  Well, and the fact that they have a set age is odd as well
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  because, you know, I come from a faith where you grow into that.
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  You know, it's not something that.
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  Everyone has their personal relationship or their theology
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  or their faith by a certain, you know, various ages.
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  You know what I mean? Because that's just who you are.
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  They don't push baptism on a particular timeline, no.
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  No, no, they say it's huge it they make it and again, each
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  each part is kind of different. I know like non denominational
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  and Protestant kind of mirror each other quite a bit.
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  So really I, I always kind of joke.
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  It's like the hippie of Christianity very much more
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  open. Like you kind of make your own
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  pathway of how you want to accept religion, how you want to
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  accept that in your heart, how you want to interpret it, and
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  even how you want to express it. And can all be interpreted and
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  done in like various different ways just through like that part
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  of it. I do have a question and it
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  might be one that it, it's like, I don't want to say advance, but
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  you know, maybe I'll go for it. I don't know.
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  I really don't know how to explain it without potentially
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  coming off as rude. I don't.
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  I don't want to do that by any stretch of the imagination.
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  He won't offend me, but. But just from like what you were
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  talking about as far as like when you're a baby and it's kind
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  of a preview as far as like the baptism of the dead, like the
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  the amount of records that are kept by the church as a whole.
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  As far as the records of everybody that has lived, like
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  the different things that they go through to obtain that
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  information. And like it seems like this,
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  like it's such a structured religion of something that I
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  don't think I've ever seen even other religions practice like it
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  like that. It's almost like militant kind
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  of in the way of like everybody has to have a name.
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  Like your information has to be like shared and verified with
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  other sources. So that way you can confirm that
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  you are a part of this church. Like do they kind of have to
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  move them for that or like a background as to where that was
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  like established from? I think it's really just a
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  record keeping church because they're really huge into
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  genealogy and and tracking everything.
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  So they want to know all the births, all the baptisms, the
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  deaths, the marriages. They want to know everything and
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  they track it very closely. So I think that's what it is.
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  I mean it could be for another reason, don't know.
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  The Mormons kind of run or have a big contribution to
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  likeancestry.com and stuff like that.
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  And FamilySearch, OH. Yeah, they own FamilySearch.
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  I do find it very interesting that you guys are so adamant or
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  not you guys you previously, but I'm sorry my is no longer my.
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  Family. But that the Mormons are
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  particularly caught up in record keeping and stuff because, you
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  know, I've kind of been in a little bit of a Sister or Sister
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  Wives watching era. I'm almost finished with it.
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  I didn't watch it as it aired or whatever.
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  And there's a lot of things I could say about that show.
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  Oh my goodness. But something they're very
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  adamant about is the fact that because when you're living
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  polygamy, which I know is not something that all Mormons do,
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  it's a very specific, well, there's actually a couple
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  different subsects of Mormonism that do that.
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  But anyway, but whenever they're living polygamy, they are very
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  like, the government cannot know, you know, we don't put
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  people's names on the birth certificate.
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  They're very weird about home births and making sure that
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  people can't really track what's going on.
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  But then within their own, their little community, they're like,
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  we have this and this and that and we track everything.
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  Well, and I got the assumption from my research that it's all
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  in the the advancement of the church by being able to then
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  look at the records and baptize people.
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  When you're dead. By proxy.
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  It could be that too. Yeah, it really could be.
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  Yeah. So OK with the with the the
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  baptism, that's when you do your first worthiness interview also.
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  OK. So the Bishop, you, the child
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  meets with the Bishop in his office.
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  So you're almost 8 and this is like a 4050 year old man.
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  And you're in there and they ask you all these questions, like do
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  you know your articles of faith? And you have to recite those.
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  And then they ask you if you believe Jesus Christ is your
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  Lord and Savior, and you have to answer that.
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  And then they ask you about chastity.
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  Do you keep the law of chastity at 8?
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  Yeah, Yeah. That's when they start
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  introducing that, because you can't get baptized if you're
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  thinning right. If that is, you're not Chase and
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  it's not your fault. Right, right.
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  But the. Kids don't understand that.
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  Yeah, 'cause I remember one of the videos I was watching about
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  that another former Mormon was, was talking about how that
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  interview comes in and yeah, you're sitting there 8 years old
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  and they're asking you like, hey, you know, have have you
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  practice this and you're like. They get into that like at 12
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  and they start asking specific questions, like deeper than do
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  you keep the law of chastity? But yeah, like, you could do a
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  whole series on the Bishop's interviews.
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  It's it's shocking and it's revolting and it has to be
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  stopped. Yeah.
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  Absolutely, like grown men shouldn't be asking those
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  questions of children. I even learned what sex was at
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  the age of 8. And that was only because my or
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  my cousin got pregnant as a teenager.
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  And so they kind of had to explain to me how that happened
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  and whatever. But I, I just laughed the whole
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  time that you gave me the talk. I was like, oh ha ha ha, funny
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  that. Is that So?
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  I can't even imagine being like put in that seat, having to
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  explain it's. Really intimidating.
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  It's really, really intimidating.
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  Well and then what happens if a child has been abused and they
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  talk about that to the Bishop? Then the Bishop usually has the
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  girl repent for being assaulted. Oh good God.
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  So it's the repentance and forgiveness process.
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  If they find out anything happens they either keep it to
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  themselves or they call Kirkton and Mcconkey which is A1800 line
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  and they tell them basically how to not report it.
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  So and this this might come off again as as kind of rude.
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  I promise I try not. To no, it's OK.
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  I I believe it's in good faith. You're all good.
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  It's not Mormon anyway. Is it is it similar to kind of
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  how the Church of Scientology does things of where they're
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  very much in the process? And I know Lord that's laughing
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  of like they they use it to like cover up or they or they do what
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  they can to cover up it because it would just shed a negative
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  light on the image of the church and as the same.
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  As a whole. Yeah, pretty much they they
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  focus on forgiveness and not being responsible.
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  Yeah, that is so messed up even. If even if it's like a fellow,
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  like even if it's a fellow church member that say does
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  this, do they still they don't shun the member?
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  They don't do anything really. No, no, if anything it's on the
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  the girl or the child to forgive.
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  And from the last time Stephanie was on here, it seems like they,
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  you know, go to great lengths to cover up, cover up, hide, hide
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  the person, you know, all kinds of different things.
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  Yeah, they'll move them to different wards.
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  Yeah, so now tell us about the baptismal experience after you
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  talk to the Bishop and you do your worthiness, whatever that
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  is. OK, once the 8 year old is
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  worthy enough to be baptized, then OK.
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  So it's like it's a couple hours process.
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  You go in the church and you go in and like a completely white
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  dress. And then you have your little
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  program. And then during the program,
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  after the, the many talks and songs, you go to a, it's almost
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  like a, it's a built in font. So it's about 3 feet deep and
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  it's just built into the floor. So all the kids gather around
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  the front and, you know, the parents stand behind and then
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  the child is in a fully white jumpsuit and so is the person
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  baptizing them. And to baptize you, you actually
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  have to have the priesthood. I believe it's the ironic
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  priesthood that you have to have because.
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  Yeah. And they just recently made a
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  change with that too, didn't they?
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  Because used to, I don't remember the, the verbiage that
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  they use, but it was like the, the older members were
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  essentially like the first people that you would report to.
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  And then they've since like switched to a more like younger
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  group, if I if I understood that correctly.
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  You kind of choose who baptizes you.
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  OK. So you you usually get a pick
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  who you want to baptize you. And there's the ironic.
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  And then there's the Melchizedek.
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  Yep. The Melchizedek priesthood.
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  Yep, Yep. And that, that's a whole nother
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  rabbit hole to go down. Melchizedek bless you with the
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  power of the Melchizedek priesthood has.
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  To be somebody within the priesthood of some sort, to
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  baptize, you can't just be like your dad or like a friend.
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  That they have to have the priesthood and they have to be
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  an active member and they have to have a worthiness interview
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  before the baptism to determine that they're worthy to to do the
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  baptism. It's a whole lot of steps.
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  So in the a. Lot of steps, yeah, in the.
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  Protestant, non denominational, it's everybody who's a Christian
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  is part of the priesthood. So, yeah, I mean, once you
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  become a Christian, you are a part of God's Kingdom and
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  therefore then you are a royal priesthood sent out to tell
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  everybody about God and Jesus. So it's not, that's why a lot of
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  people have such a problem with the Pope.
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  And like, for instance, I was, I grew up Baptist and my preacher
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  was the head of the Southern Baptist Convention.
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  He was the president. And yeah, Reverend Ronnie Floyd.
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  Yeah, from Springdale, AR, where?
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  The Duggars were. Yeah, where the?
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  Duggars got. I thought that got interesting.
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  They lived on that property, correct?
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  They lived right next door. Next door, yeah.
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  And that property ended up becoming the youth house after
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  they moved out. So I guess the Duggars that was.
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  Condemned initial or OK? So eventually, so with Mormon
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  baptisms, once you go under like you have to be completely under,
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  like if a toe pops up or if a hair pops up, have to re baptize
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  them. Is it like that in other
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  religions? No, and I even recall, I mean,
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  they would, and I'm not even particularly religious or
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  anything, but I just remember that you were supposed to get
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  baptized and that was like something you were supposed to
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  do. But I recall there was one time
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  that there's some, there was somebody in like the hospital
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  and he was about to die and somebody basically gave him like
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  a sponge bath. And that was like his, that was,
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  you know, their baptism. Yeah, they can.
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  You can. You can almost do it with
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  essentially any volume of water. But if you're, if you're able
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  to, typically you can do it in the church, You can do it in
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  like a river, a Creek, like you could even do it in a bathtub if
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  you really want to. It's very much of like a
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  personalization thing. And it's also completely it.
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  It's completely optional. Like I'm like, I consider myself
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  Christian. I don't consider myself the best
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  Christian. But like, I myself haven't been
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  baptized. So I used to always make the
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  joke when I married a Catholic girl outside of the Catholic
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  Church and I'm not baptized that if I go into the Catholic
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  Church, I may or may not, you know, spontaneously combust
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  because of that. But yeah, it is.
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  It is actually a completely optional thing that you and
• 22:35
  technically you never have to do it throughout the entirety of
• 22:38
  your life. Interesting.
• 22:40
  Depends on where you're at because the where they're at
• 22:43
  they swear it's non denominational but they have
• 22:45
  very set rules like. You have no, I mean no.
• 22:52
  So anyways, what we believe is, is that the Bible says that you
• 23:01
  are baptized for the forgiveness of your sins and the gift of the
• 23:04
  Holy Spirit. And so that's our position is as
• 23:10
  you get baptized, once you once you believe, OK, so we ask you,
• 23:15
  do you believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living
• 23:19
  God, your personal Lord, Lord and Savior?
• 23:23
  And then that's their confession of faith.
• 23:26
  And they're supposed to say that out loud, you know, just to say,
• 23:30
  hey, this is what I believe, a proclamation of faith.
• 23:35
  And then they dunk you on the under the water and say, I
• 23:40
  baptize you in the name of the Father, God of the Son Jesus
• 23:44
  Christ, for the forgiveness of your sins and the gift of the
• 23:47
  Holy Spirit. And then you rise up and you are
• 23:52
  a new person and you have the gift of the Holy Spirit.
• 23:55
  But I know that in the Mormon church, that's two separate
• 23:58
  events, baptism and then the gift of the.
• 24:00
  Holy Spirit, Yeah. Then confirmation.
• 24:03
  Yeah, OK. So explain that to.
• 24:04
  Us so OK, so after you're baptized you you go and change
• 24:08
  and kind of dry your hair a little bit and then you go back
• 24:11
  in the room with everyone else and then you have your
• 24:14
  confirmation. So the child sits down on the
• 24:16
  chair and there's a priesthood holder standing behind you and
• 24:21
  they anoint you with oil. And it's usually olive oil that
• 24:25
  they, they say a blessing of her.
• 24:26
  So they put it on your head, like usually two or three drops.
• 24:30
  It's weird. And then they place their hands
• 24:32
  on your head and it has to be done in a certain, certain way
• 24:38
  with the placing on the hands. And then then they give you the
• 24:41
  blessing of the Holy Ghost. And so that's when you receive
• 24:45
  it. I know that you guys don't have
• 24:48
  like a specific protocol for like anointing people, but I
• 24:51
  know you guys do it in specific circumstances.
• 24:53
  It's not necessarily to accept, you know, Jesus or whatever.
• 24:58
  I. Think there is certain protocols
• 24:59
  for anointing? Oh, I was talking.
• 25:02
  I'm sorry. I was looking at my mom.
• 25:05
  Sorry, my bad. As far as like her faith, like I
• 25:08
  think that sometimes they just will randomly like I think when
• 25:12
  dad got like his brain surgery. Yeah, it's when they usually
• 25:17
  anoint somebody whenever there's a sickness or something like
• 25:21
  that, that's a laying on of hands and anointing, you know,
• 25:26
  and praying. Mormons do it for everything.
• 25:29
  You worried about a test? Get a blessing from a priesthood
• 25:32
  holder. It's ridiculous.
• 25:33
  Oh my goodness. That would be a lot of running
• 25:37
  did. Your dog get lost, get a get a
• 25:40
  priesthood blessing. It'll all be OK.
• 25:42
  You have cancer, You have cancer.
• 25:44
  Don't worry about the hospital. Get the priesthood blessing.
• 25:46
  You'll be OK. See now to us it's just OK,
• 25:51
  let's pray. Pray.
• 25:53
  That's all you. Do you have to get a man to do?
• 25:55
  You have to have a worthy man to do it for you.
• 26:00
  See me? Just me just being.
• 26:02
  Specific. Me just being a smart aleck,
• 26:04
  like if I bring my own olive oil, is that like brownie
• 26:06
  points? Like it just has to get like
• 26:08
  blessed and then I can. Well, you do have to bring your
• 26:10
  own olive oil. It's not going to buy it.
• 26:14
  For you come. On No Extra Virgin.
• 26:17
  Yeah, yeah, Extra virgin. No olive.
• 26:25
  Oil No. Send olive oil No.
• 26:27
  Send olive oil. Now did they do a a a real olive
• 26:32
  oil test? I don't know, I.
• 26:35
  Don't know, it's got to be authentic.
• 26:37
  Please don't put cooking oil on my head weirdo.
• 26:39
  Like don't do it. This is already weird enough.
• 26:42
  So if I bring a bottle of Pam, it's wrong.
• 26:45
  Damn it, that is the wrong way. Don't ray the head down.
• 26:50
  Just a quick little like off topic thing because you guys are
• 26:53
  making comments about the olive oil.
• 26:55
  So I actually listened to this whole video about Doctor Oz the
• 26:58
  other day and how he's basically like a scammer or whatever.
• 27:01
  And he was part of the reason why that whole entire like fake
• 27:05
  olive oil thing like even spread.
• 27:08
  So there was like a little bit of olive oil that was like fake.
• 27:12
  But it turns out that that like conspiracy or that fact or that
• 27:16
  statistic was actually spread by California and their olive oil
• 27:21
  company, and they were like trying to like.
• 27:23
  Dirty little rumors. They were trying to say like.
• 27:26
  A gossiping little. Is Oh my gosh, yes.
• 27:30
  And it's so like it was like a whole thing.
• 27:32
  I don't know. Anyway, so that was just
• 27:33
  something I was just, I was. Just that's like that's worse
• 27:37
  than the, the, the, what is it called?
• 27:40
  You know, never mind everything. Basically there was a little bit
• 27:46
  of fake olive oil, you know, in rotation, but for the most part
• 27:50
  everything was OK And it was even, I want to say the New York
• 27:54
  Post. I could be totally wrong in
• 27:55
  that, do not quote me on that. But there was like a specific
• 27:59
  like organization or not organization, but a specific
• 28:03
  news source that said that. And then like 6 months later
• 28:06
  after the Doctor Oz thing came out, they're like, oh, they came
• 28:09
  out with these statistics, but we can't point where these
• 28:11
  statistics came from, but it came from you.
• 28:13
  So they were lying about it. And like 6 months later they
• 28:16
  were like oh I don't know where this even came from and it's
• 28:18
  anyway sorry. Thanks, Doctor Oz.
• 28:22
  Yeah, he's doing so great right now anyway, OK.
• 28:27
  Stephanie So baptism of the dead, OK?
• 28:32
  So. You are baptized, then you
• 28:37
  receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
• 28:40
  And from what I gathered, it sounds almost like all the kids
• 28:46
  from the church go on a field trip for the first time and
• 28:50
  start baptizing the dead. It it's kind of like that.
• 28:53
  OK, so I was in Salt Lake City when I went as a kid, and you
• 28:58
  start at age 12. OK.
• 29:00
  And then, of course, you have to have a worthiness interview
• 29:03
  before you can go to the temple where they ask you about your
• 29:05
  chastity and when they ask you if you touch yourself and how
• 29:10
  often you touch yourself and all those invasive questions because
• 29:14
  if you touch yourself, you're not allowed in the temple.
• 29:18
  You might give kids ideas, they might not have even known what
• 29:20
  that means. And that's like.
• 29:22
  No, no, But for real, for real, that's an issue, OK, and.
• 29:27
  Then my my next one would be, does it really matter how often
• 29:30
  you touch yourself at that point?
• 29:31
  Like if it's just a sin like it's a sin like, I don't think.
• 29:34
  It really. Matter.
• 29:36
  All day, every day, every hour, it's a.
• 29:38
  Goal on. The hour.
• 29:41
  Yeah, so like age 12 is when it starts to get really culty
• 29:45
  because the girls go into what's called young women's and you
• 29:49
  start with these pledges and you like, I'm not going to repeat it
• 29:55
  because it's going to get stuck in my head, OK?
• 29:58
  It won't leave for another couple months.
• 30:00
  So. But yeah, it's like when stuff
• 30:04
  gets really culty, it's also like around 12:00, that's when
• 30:07
  you start preparing for marriage too, so.
• 30:11
  OK so this this might also be semi off topic but again it I
• 30:16
  had to unfortunately explain this term to my mom one day as I
• 30:19
  was like talking to her about the Mormon faith.
• 30:21
  Talk about soaking, are you? Absolutely.
• 30:24
  I have to act like, do they consider?
• 30:27
  That explain how you do it. No, I know that part, that it,
• 30:31
  it takes a whole lot of extra people and like, like I just
• 30:35
  don't. Need a bed jumper is.
• 30:37
  That real what? Yes, it's like, have you ever
• 30:40
  heard about soaking? I mean.
• 30:42
  Oh, Amber. Oh, Amber.
• 30:43
  You're. Going.
• 30:46
  To be so embarrassed looking at that, but I'm going to love it.
• 30:49
  Yeah. Well, I guess I don't know what
• 30:51
  I I guess I don't know the mechanics of soaking.
• 30:54
  So the if I understand, understand, and Steph, you can
• 30:56
  correct me if I'm wrong. It it it's kind of like they
• 30:59
  tried to find a loophole around sex of you still do penetration,
• 31:04
  which again, logically, scientifically, yeah, just just.
• 31:08
  And when you when you do that, you don't actually do the
• 31:12
  movement. You have a new version of a cuck
• 31:16
  basically hold the mattress and shake you to create the friction
• 31:21
  because you're not actually performing in the sexual act.
• 31:25
  You're just there. You're just the body, but you're
• 31:29
  not being you're being moved, you're not moving yourself.
• 31:32
  So loophole for the whole. Loophole.
• 31:35
  You did not do it. I just thought it meant put it
• 31:40
  in and just leave it there and don't move.
• 31:42
  No, no. You're involving other people.
• 31:44
  It's really weird. It's really creepy, I mean.
• 31:49
  That is a thing that's like that is a.
• 31:51
  Thing that is a thing that happens at BYU in Utah all the
• 31:55
  freaking time. All the time.
• 31:57
  Myth. So it's real.
• 32:00
  It's real. And my advice is just do it.
• 32:02
  Just do it just. Have sex.
• 32:05
  I mean, isn't it worse to involve a third person anyway?
• 32:08
  It's like the audience if you're already going to get hard, just.
• 32:12
  Threesome, what you're going to do.
• 32:15
  It's a glorified cook because they just, they just watch it
• 32:17
  help move the bed. They don't actually perform in
• 32:19
  it because that would be silly. That's insane.
• 32:22
  And then for the person that is the glorified cook is.
• 32:26
  Just do it. Just do it.
• 32:27
  It's so much better if you just do it.
• 32:29
  Do. They get paid off.
• 32:31
  No, you're just. Awkward for the rest of the time
• 32:36
  we know each other at college it.
• 32:38
  Depends on your relationship, but.
• 32:41
  And and I don't, I don't know if you did it, Stephanie, you don't
• 32:43
  have to share if you if you did or didn't.
• 32:44
  Like no, but I do. Have to ask how do those
• 32:47
  conversations go of like hey man, I'm I'm like really at the
• 32:51
  edge. I don't.
• 32:53
  Know I don't know I I was a child bride so I was married off
• 32:56
  before, you know, before I could start soaking.
• 33:02
  Well, thank God she avoids soaking via child marriage.
• 33:08
  That's insane. Oh my goodness.
• 33:09
  I literally had this conversation with somebody the
• 33:12
  other day and I was like, no, I'm pretty sure it's like a myth
• 33:14
  and maybe some people have done it, but I doubt no it's.
• 33:17
  Not a myth, and a lot of people do it and they'll admit to doing
• 33:21
  it. So what does the leadership
• 33:24
  think about I mean? I mean, obviously it's not
• 33:26
  great. I mean, they're not telling
• 33:30
  them. OK, OK.
• 33:32
  I mean. Because they're conscious here,
• 33:34
  because they didn't actually do it.
• 33:35
  They were just sitting right. They just put.
• 33:38
  My Dick. Out.
• 33:43
  Laura, Laura, I'm. Just sitting there and it just.
• 33:47
  Accidentally. You know, with the cock out.
• 33:49
  They say is that what they mean by I was I was walking down the
• 33:52
  street and then I just fell inside.
• 33:54
  I didn't I didn't I didn't want to do this.
• 33:57
  It just it happened. Thank.
• 33:59
  You, Laura, for me, for helping me make everyone in the in the
• 34:02
  comments uncomfortable. I love it.
• 34:04
  It's my. Favorite hobby?
• 34:07
  You know, a weird question, but is purity ring culture?
• 34:10
  Is that a thing? Not so much in the Mormon
• 34:14
  church. It's just expected.
• 34:15
  Without a ring? OK, that's more like, Oh, no,
• 34:21
  that's more like Duggars. Well.
• 34:25
  I have a. Purity ring.
• 34:26
  You might you just notice OK, you don't do the.
• 34:29
  Purity rigs like come on, just just child marriage.
• 34:34
  I actually started wearing my purity ring again, maybe like
• 34:36
  2020. And I texted that I was like, do
• 34:38
  you think it's OK for me to wear this again even though I'm like
• 34:41
  living with a man because it's just pretty?
• 34:45
  And he's like, oh, that's your own decision, Hon.
• 34:47
  And I. Think I lost it.
• 34:49
  I left it in Florida. On accident, but it was.
• 34:53
  Yeah, it was the Jonas Brothers, the Jonas Brothers and Miley
• 34:55
  Cyrus, even though they were getting it on.
• 34:58
  That's besides the point, though.
• 34:59
  That's why she wanted one I. Wanted one.
• 35:01
  Yeah. Which, you know what?
• 35:02
  Now, you know, we were talking about baptism earlier at an
• 35:06
  early age of eight. And we are all, even you, we
• 35:11
  were all kind of like at 8. Can you really decide that?
• 35:13
  But I was 5 when y'all let me get back.
• 35:16
  No and. I had a good experience, I'm
• 35:19
  glad. Like I look back on it fondly
• 35:22
  and I love my father and we have some really cute pictures from
• 35:25
  it. But a 5 year old doesn't know
• 35:28
  shit about an. 8 year old. We tried like.
• 35:33
  I wanted to be a part of the cool.
• 35:34
  Club she she really like, she had all the answers.
• 35:38
  I mean, we sat there and talked to her for the longest time, for
• 35:41
  months, you know, and she would cry every day when I'd pick her
• 35:45
  up home from school 'cause we'd have like a 45 minute drive.
• 35:51
  And so the whole way there she would just be crying.
• 35:54
  I want to get baptized. I even remember stopping in a
• 35:58
  parking lot and just being like, oh Laura, you're only 5 'cause.
• 36:03
  She wants to be like mom, yeah. So it's just so we allowed her
• 36:09
  to do it. We allowed her to do it and you
• 36:12
  know, I mean, it was her decision.
• 36:14
  I don't think what you guys did was wrong or anything like that,
• 36:16
  I don't think. That in like a.
• 36:17
  Critical way you guys didn't push it on no.
• 36:20
  We. Did not.
• 36:21
  Yeah, and it's it's very much in the Mormon church, like at 8 you
• 36:25
  get baptized like it's everybody does it so.
• 36:29
  I remember much. Pushed.
• 36:31
  Joyce and Charles is a doll. So your dad's been on NPR with
• 36:35
  Joel lately? Yeah.
• 36:36
  I love, I love my dad. He's a great guy.
• 36:39
  He really? Is we angry on a lot of things?
• 36:41
  But I love him with my whole heart.
• 36:43
  And he just got his so that. Was loud.
• 36:48
  Oops. Yeah, so he had a brain tumor
• 36:51
  removed in October right before Halloween and everything was
• 36:57
  going well. And then all of a sudden in
• 37:01
  April it started getting infected down at the bottom of
• 37:04
  the the surgical scar and it just kept getting infected and
• 37:10
  kept getting infected. So they took him in on Thursday
• 37:14
  and reopened it up and cleaned it out and everything.
• 37:17
  So now he's got this huge scar on his head again.
• 37:21
  So it. Never really went away, but.
• 37:24
  Yeah, but it's like. Now it freaked me out.
• 37:27
  He's like a Laura. Can you take a picture of this
• 37:29
  for me so I can? See what it looks like?
• 37:34
  It was, it was gnarly, but he's such a trooper man.
• 37:37
  But you know what? He will not do anything for days
• 37:42
  at a time. But the second that he has to do
• 37:44
  something or the second he gets surgery, he's like, you know
• 37:47
  what, I'm going to be the most productive I've been in 15.
• 37:50
  Years. Like I'm going to start doing
• 37:52
  stuff. Oh I know that my doctor said
• 37:54
  not to move but here I am. But he texted me yesterday,
• 38:00
  yesterday, I think, Yeah. And he's like, can you put the
• 38:02
  clothes or can you put my comforter in the dryer?
• 38:05
  Because it's too much for me right now.
• 38:07
  And then I'm like, OK, that's cool.
• 38:09
  I'm just going shopping real quick.
• 38:10
  And as soon as I get back from grocery shopping, I'll come
• 38:12
  down. So I came home early and I did
• 38:15
  all this stuff and he's like, oh, I already put it in there.
• 38:17
  I was like, what? It's only been like 20 minutes.
• 38:19
  He's like, yeah, I just didn't want to wait.
• 38:21
  I was like, OK, you got this. You had to go down the stairs to
• 38:25
  even do that. Oh my goodness, Dad.
• 38:27
  I love him. Well.
• 38:28
  Yesterday also fixed the AC avis he's.
• 38:33
  A. Trooper.
• 38:34
  And he's playing with his plants.
• 38:36
  The. Day.
• 38:38
  After brain surgery or like 2 days, it was like the day of
• 38:41
  Halloween. We were doing our live stream
• 38:43
  and you guys can check and figure it out.
• 38:45
  Just look at the dates on our live streams, I think anyway, I
• 38:50
  don't know was he dressed up as a shark and like bobbing his
• 38:53
  head even though he. Just got brain.
• 38:54
  Surgery the day before. You may not have been on there
• 38:57
  with me. I don't think I was on there.
• 38:59
  I was dressed up as Fiona. Yeah, so anyways, my husband is
• 39:04
  crazy, crazy. OK, sounds.
• 39:07
  Like a trooper, Jeez. That's a lot.
• 39:09
  To go through. I'm glad he's doing OK, no.
• 39:14
  He's doing as OK if he can. He's good, he's good.
• 39:19
  So Stephanie, OK, let's get back to baptism of the day.
• 39:23
  So you were 12 when you first started doing this after your
• 39:28
  confirmation and all that or whatever that was.
• 39:31
  And so you describe the very first time you did it.
• 39:38
  OK, so I was 12 and in Utah they do early morning baptisms for
• 39:44
  the dead. So you meet up at the church at
• 39:47
  5:30 and you drive in these big vans to the to the temple.
• 39:52
  And then you go in and you basically like you change your
• 39:57
  clothes into these white jumpsuits with white underwear.
• 40:01
  And then you're just waiting there for your name to be
• 40:05
  called. And then when it's your turn,
• 40:07
  you go in this fountain that's surrounded by 12 oxen and it's
• 40:10
  supposed to stand for the 12 tribes of Israel.
• 40:13
  And you go in and it's. About.
• 40:16
  Three feet deep again. Yeah, about waist deep.
• 40:20
  And then they have a list of names and they dunk you for each
• 40:26
  name. So they'll say, like in the name
• 40:30
  of Anne Frank, I baptize you and dunk you and.
• 40:36
  I say all the all the research I had done and like the the
• 40:40
  controversy that really came about that I know one of the
• 40:42
  biggest ones was like because the publication and the list of
• 40:46
  basically all of the Holocaust victims, they did it like hand
• 40:50
  Frank and them and then immediately turned around and
• 40:54
  were like, we're also going to do it for Adolf Hitler.
• 40:56
  And you know also yeah, yeah. They because, and Steph can
• 41:02
  correct me if I'm wrong, they the idea is they want to give
• 41:06
  everybody, the everybody the opportunity to basically accept
• 41:12
  that into their heart, whether they're living or past, no
• 41:17
  matter how atrocious of a person they were alive.
• 41:21
  Yeah. Mormons will take anyone, living
• 41:24
  or dead, that. Actually makes me think and I
• 41:27
  didn't really do any research other than like the stuff that
• 41:29
  I've just heard over the years, you know, But so theoretically,
• 41:35
  so you as a former Mormon, you had to abide by chastity.
• 41:41
  You had to do Lord knows what just to stay in their good
• 41:44
  graces and not be like the worst person in the world in their
• 41:47
  minds. But as Tony said, literally
• 41:52
  Hitler. Literally Hitler got.
• 41:55
  Baptized. Baptized after death?
• 41:57
  So theoretically, could I just live my life the way that I want
• 42:01
  to and then you guys just baptize me when I'm dead and
• 42:04
  then it's all good? Like who cares how I lived?
• 42:08
  You would think that, right? Like you would think that.
• 42:12
  Is it not that I'm genuinely asking?
• 42:15
  Yeah. Like is there, like is there a
• 42:16
  for sure one thing that you do in this life?
• 42:18
  The Mormons are like, absolutely not, not, not even.
• 42:21
  We will try to save you. I don't think so, yeah.
• 42:24
  Maybe that's. Actually, actually, yes, that is
• 42:27
  the line. That's the line.
• 42:30
  Poor Lindsey. Graham.
• 42:39
  Poor guys still closeted in wherever he's at.
• 42:44
  He was just trying to. He was just trying to join his
• 42:47
  soulmate. Mitch McConnell, who did not, is
• 42:50
  not kicking. I'm telling you.
• 42:52
  OK, so Stephanie, so when you got into that bad baptismal font
• 42:58
  to baptize people by proxy, did you have a list that you had
• 43:03
  compiled yourself or did they have a list?
• 43:06
  They have a list. OK, but I.
• 43:08
  Lost and list and list. People will submit names, so
• 43:11
  they'll go and do their genealogy and they'll say, Oh
• 43:15
  my, my grandmother's sister wasn't Mormon, let's baptize her
• 43:20
  you. Know.
• 43:22
  OK, so but I thought that they had to be related.
• 43:27
  I think want it to be, but no, you don't have to be related
• 43:31
  because obviously someone baptized Hitler.
• 43:33
  Yeah. I think, I think the way that if
• 43:37
  I remember it was explained because they received a lot of,
• 43:41
  you know, controversy over doing all of these people that are
• 43:45
  listed on here. Was they they did they do the
• 43:49
  genealogy to reach back and then basically anybody that you could
• 43:54
  potentially be tied to as far as your genealogy goes.
• 43:58
  And I think their theory was for like every two generations, so
• 44:03
  every like 20 years, you can have up to like a million or
• 44:07
  something like relatives or ancestors basically.
• 44:12
  And if you go back like 40 year, like 4 generations, it's like
• 44:16
  400 years, you can have like 10 million or like a trillion or
• 44:19
  something like that. So that I guess that's again a
• 44:23
  loophole that they use to like branch out as the reason to be
• 44:27
  able to, you know, baptize everybody basically.
• 44:30
  OK, so my mom did her genealogy and found that she found she was
• 44:35
  related to Robert E Lee. OK.
• 44:37
  And so she submitted his name. I know, right?
• 44:40
  Right. So of a whammy.
• 44:45
  There. I was thinking about that today
• 44:48
  and I was like, man, if I was Mormon, I could baptize Henry
• 44:52
  the Eighth. You could.
• 44:54
  You really could I, I guess. I guess sometimes you can take
• 44:58
  your own names, but usually you don't have your own, you know,
• 45:01
  'cause kids don't usually do genealogy, so unless their
• 45:05
  parents send them with a list of names, they would just use the
• 45:09
  the ones in the temple that haven't been baptized.
• 45:11
  So I. Also saw that they go to
• 45:14
  graveyards and get names just. Interesting, interesting.
• 45:20
  Some people might do that. Because one thing I had heard,
• 45:24
  yeah. So they would take.
• 45:26
  It's more typically they said like teenagers and college kids,
• 45:29
  they'll take them and they'll have them go to like graveyards
• 45:32
  and they basically just take pictures of the gravestones to
• 45:36
  get the name to get the date that they were alive and the
• 45:38
  date that they were, then the date that they passed.
• 45:41
  And then that also goes in part of their information collecting.
• 45:45
  And they have like 3 buildings, I don't remember the location
• 45:48
  but they're under like heavy lock and key of basically all of
• 45:52
  this archival data. Oh, the Church History Center.
• 45:56
  I believe so and. Then yeah, yeah.
• 45:58
  There's tons. There's tons and tons and tons
• 46:01
  of data at the Church History Center.
• 46:03
  And then the they even partnered with Congress to basically get
• 46:07
  some of this information, make copies of it, and then send it
• 46:10
  back. But then they kept the copies
• 46:12
  for their own for their own list and purposes to use.
• 46:16
  Interesting. So do you think that the Mormons
• 46:20
  might have like a either run or have a big part in graves.com?
• 46:26
  So like, I'm pretty sure it's called graves dot probably you
• 46:29
  could just probably find a grave.
• 46:31
  It's find a grave. Oh, find a grave, that's what it
• 46:34
  is. Google your grandpa or whoever
• 46:35
  is dead and they're gonna be on there, I swear to God.
• 46:39
  Crazy. That's just sounds funny.
• 46:42
  Google your grandpa. Also, joy, I feel you on a
• 46:46
  spiritual level without spending a lot of time in cemeteries.
• 46:49
  I haven't been to a cemetery in a while, but like there's
• 46:51
  something kind of just almost peaceful about it.
• 46:54
  I remember a couple years ago I got kind of like emotional, like
• 46:57
  I was all e-mail and I was like, I have nobody just spend my
• 47:00
  birthday with and you guys are going to like meet up with fancy
• 47:02
  on my birthday, funny enough. Like.
• 47:05
  You bitches anyway, so. So I.
• 47:09
  Was like, oh, OK. I was like, so I'm going to do
• 47:12
  something and I was like, I was like, I'm going to drive to a
• 47:15
  graveyard and I'm just going to find somebody.
• 47:17
  I'm going to try to look for somebody with my same birthday.
• 47:19
  And I'm going to sit there and we're going to have a drink and
• 47:21
  we're going to celebrate our birthday together.
• 47:23
  And then like I was in, I was in a certain town that's not the
• 47:27
  town I live in. And I was driving around and I
• 47:30
  looked up a specific cemetery. And when I got there, it like
• 47:33
  took me to like in an apartment complex and it was like, oh, did
• 47:36
  they build on top of a cemetery? I'm like, bad vibes, bad vibes.
• 47:40
  So I just drove home and I didn't do all that.
• 47:41
  But I've had happy. Birthdays in the cemetery
• 47:44
  before. They say, wasn't that the whole
• 47:46
  premise behind the Poltergeist movie?
• 47:47
  That terrified me as like a young child that.
• 47:52
  We saw the poltergeist clown. They say but but I can't say
• 47:57
  much 'cause there's a cemetery literally right next to the
• 48:01
  little housing area that I live in.
• 48:03
  So I take my dog for a walk through the cemetery all the
• 48:06
  time. Usually more in the colder.
• 48:07
  Don't find any. Bones, No, I try not to let her
• 48:10
  like do any type of like bathroom in the bathroom.
• 48:13
  I'm like no, like if you can pee on the road, you can poop on the
• 48:17
  road. You're not pooping in the actual
• 48:19
  grass anywhere near the graves. Stay away.
• 48:21
  Pee. On the gravestone, no.
• 48:24
  Yeah, just 'cause he. Used to take you walking.
• 48:27
  That was one time. No, no, no.
• 48:30
  I must say this real quick because she's probably almost
• 48:32
  dead if nothing because she's old.
• 48:34
  So whatever. I'm pissed about this still.
• 48:37
  OK so people who watch this show probably already know, but my
• 48:41
  grandpa, her father took his own life, OK when I was like 9 years
• 48:45
  old. So.
• 48:48
  So here was like the house that he took.
• 48:51
  Here's the house he took his own life in.
• 48:54
  And then there was like a small apartment complex.
• 48:56
  And then on the other side was a graveyard, OK.
• 49:00
  For years, for years, I could not even drive past the house
• 49:04
  where he took his own life, or else I'd have like, a whole
• 49:06
  meltdown. OK, So our children's minister
• 49:10
  at the church that we used to go to misses Ingi three years after
• 49:15
  my grandpa took his own life and I was still not like even
• 49:19
  comfortable driving past you at this point.
• 49:21
  She was watching us while my uncle, her brother was dying of
• 49:25
  cancer in the in the hospital. I'm sorry, I'm not laughing at
• 49:29
  him dying of cancer. The whole situation just so
• 49:32
  funny. So Mip is Angie decided that
• 49:35
  because she decided that she was going to watch us or she was
• 49:37
  like nice enough to watch us, which thank you.
• 49:39
  Thank you for watching us while my uncle was dying.
• 49:42
  So we didn't have to watch all that stuff go down.
• 49:44
  But where does she take us while my uncle is dying of cancer?
• 49:47
  She's graveyard that is right next to the house or my grandpa
• 49:52
  night in. OK.
• 49:54
  And she's like, no, we're just like, I was like, do you know
• 49:56
  anybody here? She's like, no, I don't.
• 49:58
  We just like to, you know, visit the graves and, you know, give
• 50:01
  them flowers and do stuff. I was like, are you?
• 50:04
  Are you kidding me? I'm sorry that's your therapy.
• 50:08
  Yeah. That was that.
• 50:11
  Was messed up. I'm sorry.
• 50:12
  I was like 12, was like six. I'm sorry.
• 50:21
  OK, so let's get back to bed. My bad.
• 50:25
  OK, so. They dunk you, they dunk you
• 50:28
  like 8 to 10 times. And then if you're in this like,
• 50:32
  white jumpsuit and you have to walk past the line of people to
• 50:35
  go back to the changing room and change into your like,
• 50:39
  confirmation clothes. And then you'll go in another
• 50:42
  room and they'll do the confirmations for each of the
• 50:45
  baptisms that you did. And then after that, you go for
• 50:49
  breakfast. And we always went to Einstein
• 50:52
  Bagels. So like, that was the highlight
• 50:55
  of it. So basically.
• 50:58
  Yeah, it was a field trip. Yeah, absolutely.
• 51:01
  That is so bizarre. An early morning field trip.
• 51:06
  What did they tell you about this?
• 51:08
  I mean, do do you actually believe in your secret?
• 51:11
  Ordinance. They make you believe that
• 51:16
  people are waiting on the other side to be baptized so they can
• 51:21
  accept their Lord and Savior. So they they make you feel like
• 51:26
  you're doing a really good thing for these people because you're
• 51:29
  giving them the opportunity to become Mormon.
• 51:31
  And the Mormons are the only true church.
• 51:33
  Duh. Fair.
• 51:39
  So, yeah, it's kind of like a, a guilt thing.
• 51:42
  Like you, you have to do it, otherwise they'll never get to
• 51:45
  heaven. So I mean, I know some of it's
• 51:50
  probably even self-explanatory, especially with like Adolf and
• 51:53
  Ava Braun. So they so even the sins that
• 51:58
  are like, you know, the key part of the Bible, like thou shalt
• 52:00
  not kill, like all the, all the commandments and everything like
• 52:03
  that that go along with it. And the the what is considered
• 52:06
  the ultimate sin of, you know, suicide?
• 52:09
  They they don't even use that as like a, you know, this is kind
• 52:13
  of like the ultimate because again, like at least in proud
• 52:16
  of, you know, being a Protestant Catholicism.
• 52:19
  I'm sure Amber can attest this for non denominational.
• 52:21
  Like if you, our what we've always been taught was basically
• 52:26
  if you decide to take the forever nap, like you're either,
• 52:29
  you are automatically going down, you're burning for
• 52:32
  eternity. Like there is no exception to
• 52:35
  being saved basically. I think.
• 52:36
  That's what they tell you, but but then they'll do the baptisms
• 52:40
  for the dead and say on the other side that you have a
• 52:43
  chance to accept it. I think that's more of a
• 52:46
  Catholic belief than Protestant non denomination.
• 52:50
  Oh man, y'all always told me Papa was in hell.
• 52:53
  I always said that because of I I always said that because of
• 52:56
  the crap that was going on the. Mormons had this really weird
• 53:00
  thing that they did in the 1800s and actually actually through
• 53:05
  about the 1980s. It's called blood atonement
• 53:09
  though. Like the idea was basically you
• 53:14
  end their life before they can commit more sin, so you're
• 53:19
  saving them by ending their life.
• 53:22
  Oh my gosh. So so true Religious.
• 53:26
  Like not legalized but religiously supported murder
• 53:30
  basically. Yeah.
• 53:33
  So the most recent incidents of it was actually, I think the
• 53:37
  Lebaron family. They were.
• 53:40
  There's a really cool documentary about it.
• 53:45
  Yeah. It sounds a little bit like
• 53:46
  Valo, yeah. Yeah.
• 53:49
  And that's actually where I kind of got introduced to everything.
• 53:53
  I was really wondering if she was trying to do a blood
• 53:55
  atonement with them, like what was she doing exactly?
• 54:01
  Isn't it possible? Isn't there like a or was like a
• 54:04
  vengeance atonement too or a vengeance pact or something that
• 54:12
  they used to do as well? Well, they would, they would.
• 54:21
  Or see here Porter Rockwell was a mercenary for the church and
• 54:26
  basically he went after people who left the church and spoke
• 54:29
  I'll of it and he would kill them.
• 54:32
  Is that is that kind of what you're thinking?
• 54:35
  Maybe. Maybe.
• 54:39
  Yeah, that's insane. Porter Rockwell is really
• 54:41
  interesting. So actually in the next town
• 54:44
  over from where I live, there's called Bluffdale.
• 54:47
  So they have a statue of Porter Rockwell there.
• 54:50
  And like, do these people actually like, know what Porter
• 54:56
  Rockwell did? So I do have AI do have another
• 55:00
  question because again, just seeing it from TikTok of like
• 55:04
  interviews with students from BYU and other Mormons and
• 55:07
  whatnot. I know, I know it's one of
• 55:11
  those. It's like probably not the
• 55:12
  greatest source, but it's also like the most natural,
• 55:15
  unfiltered source of information you can you can potentially get
• 55:20
  what what is the Mormons obsession with like John Smith
• 55:24
  and where do they like put him in the higher or yes, Joseph.
• 55:29
  I don't I thought Jonas like basic name like yeah, right.
• 55:33
  Pocahontas movie, like they it seems like honestly, if you had
• 55:37
  to put it in like a tiered hierarchy that's like God and
• 55:41
  Jesus are like neck and neck and then like.
• 55:43
  Joseph Smith, like Joseph Smith. Like right underneath there I'm
• 55:46
  like. He's the founder of the
• 55:48
  religion. Like the way they make it seem
• 55:52
  because they'll they'll ask him just crazy questions of like,
• 55:54
  you know, would you rather murder a puppy or talk to Joseph
• 55:57
  Smith? And they're like, or like or, or
• 55:59
  something. It was like something crazy.
• 56:00
  They're like. No.
• 56:01
  Would you rather murder a puppy or drink being like something
• 56:05
  dumb like that? Yeah, and they're like alter the
• 56:07
  puppy and. I'm like, you're freaking idiot.
• 56:09
  Yeah, yeah, it makes you want to smack a kid.
• 56:12
  Yes. Absolutely.
• 56:13
  And they're college kids, so they're of legal age at.
• 56:16
  BYU, they're asking people at BYU these really weird questions
• 56:21
  and yeah, and they give the most horrifying answers.
• 56:26
  I'm going to have to look at that.
• 56:27
  You're going to have to look at it, yeah.
• 56:29
  But it does just seem like they hold Joseph Smith in such a high
• 56:33
  regard because of him the founding.
• 56:35
  Like, I just wanted to know, is there like, where does he, you
• 56:38
  know, hierarchically stand like in the Mormon church?
• 56:45
  God, Jesus. Joseph Smith.
• 56:46
  Pretty much, Yeah. Yeah.
• 56:51
  For prophet that the scam artist and.
• 56:55
  There's over 400 offshoots from the Mormon church and it seems
• 56:59
  like all of them believe in Joseph Smith.
• 57:04
  Funnily enough, I believe that Joseph Smith was associated with
• 57:10
  the Christian Church or Stone Campbell movement in the early
• 57:15
  days and they even were like hey dude, you got to leave.
• 57:21
  Probably, probably. I think that.
• 57:26
  Happened with him and with who's the guy that did the People's
• 57:30
  Temple Jones? Jim Jones.
• 57:35
  Jim Jones. Yeah, he was.
• 57:36
  That was. Christian, Church, denomination,
• 57:39
  whatever. That was my first thought.
• 57:41
  I was like, man, Jim Jones, all you need to do is look at Joseph
• 57:43
  Smith's like template, I guess. And well.
• 57:46
  Warren Jeffs followed Joseph Smith's template, like exactly
• 57:50
  to AT. Oh, really?
• 57:52
  Yeah. Though there's there's not much
• 57:55
  difference between Joseph Smith and Warren Jeffs.
• 57:58
  He followed like he studied Joseph Smith.
• 58:00
  He followed him and like he used his playbook.
• 58:04
  I watched part of that documentary.
• 58:06
  I didn't watch the whole thing that just came out and I think
• 58:10
  it was the guy that took over for.
• 58:12
  Warren. Jeffs, Sam.
• 58:15
  He didn't take over for Warren Jeffs, Sam Bateman.
• 58:18
  He just wanted he yeah, he pretended and he, he convinced
• 58:22
  maybe, you know, like a few men. And those men gave him his their
• 58:29
  daughters and wives. And it's really freaking creepy.
• 58:32
  He convinced them that Warren Jeffs had died in prison.
• 58:37
  I heard about. That he convinced a couple
• 58:39
  people, but everybody knew that. Like I heard that Sam was a
• 58:44
  weirdo like from his his cousins, like they're like he
• 58:48
  was just weird. He was kind of an outcast and
• 58:52
  nobody expected him to do anything like that because they
• 58:55
  didn't expect anyone to follow him.
• 58:58
  Yeah, he does not seem like somebody.
• 59:01
  It's. Not the brightest bulb in the
• 59:03
  bunch, it weren't. Some of his wives like as young
• 59:06
  as 9. Yes.
• 59:08
  Oh. 9:10 and 11:00, yeah. I didn't.
• 59:12
  We were. Moroni Johnson's kids.
• 59:15
  This man handed over his daughters.
• 59:18
  Oh my goodness, yeah, 'cause I saw at least one of the people,
• 59:21
  'cause I watched like the end of it, 'cause you started watching
• 59:23
  it and then I just watched part of what you were already
• 59:26
  watching. But I remember there was like a
• 59:28
  guy that ended up having to go to jail for at least a little
• 59:31
  bit because he he had participated and all of that
• 59:34
  stuff and like let his daughter have it.
• 59:36
  And he realized, quote UN quote, realized the error of his way.
• 59:40
  So it's like how. Yeah.
• 59:41
  After he was being arrested. What the fuck.
• 59:43
  Like maybe realized when someone asks you to hand over your 9
• 59:47
  year old that they're a freaking pedophile.
• 59:49
  And don't do it well, I would. I totally agree with that.
• 59:53
  That's when. Someone says I want to marry
• 59:55
  your 9 year old. That should give you a fucking
• 59:57
  clue that it's not wholesome. Right.
• 1:00:02
  Yeah, I mean, I just don't even understand where somebody's head
• 1:00:06
  could be to even like that, to even be a reality.
• 1:00:12
  Yeah, I don't. I don't get it either.
• 1:00:14
  And I don't. I don't want to understand.
• 1:00:16
  I don't. I don't want to be in their
• 1:00:19
  heads if that makes sense. No, 'cause it's disgusting.
• 1:00:23
  I mean, they're absolutely. I don't get it and I'm fine with
• 1:00:25
  not getting it. And they should just be swelling
• 1:00:30
  under the sea. I wouldn't disagree with that.
• 1:00:34
  You know, Mad Pops, that Lady, I forgot her name again because I
• 1:00:37
  didn't watch the whole thing, but the lady who actually did
• 1:00:40
  that whole basically sting operation.
• 1:00:43
  Christine. Christine yes, I remember she
• 1:00:46
  was also in a Sister Wives episode.
• 1:00:48
  She it was like a panel of a bunch of different people who
• 1:00:51
  had left polygamy and all the sister wives were trying to
• 1:00:55
  vehemently defend their stance on polygamy.
• 1:00:59
  And I remember Christine Brown, she, well, I guess woolly now
• 1:01:02
  she started just sobbing. She's like, I don't want to face
• 1:01:04
  my aunt. I don't want to face you people
• 1:01:06
  who don't agree with my lifestyle, but look at it all
• 1:01:09
  now. All of them left.
• 1:01:11
  All of them left and realized wow, polygamy kind of sucks.
• 1:01:14
  I can't watch that show, that guy drives me nuts.
• 1:01:19
  People who who justify polygamy and try to say that it's, you
• 1:01:23
  know, a great way to live, they're lying to you.
• 1:01:26
  Yeah. It's not good for anyone.
• 1:01:30
  No, my dad gets so annoyed. I remember the other day he was
• 1:01:32
  like taking a nap on the couch. She's like, oh, you can switch a
• 1:01:35
  channel, don't worry. And so I put on Sister Wives.
• 1:01:37
  He's like, I'm going to go to sleep in my room.
• 1:01:39
  I can't even do that trying to fall asleep.
• 1:01:42
  He's like, that dude just pisses me off so bad.
• 1:01:44
  Which again, one of my little side tangents that I always go
• 1:01:48
  on. So Cody Brown was on this TV
• 1:01:53
  show called Special Forces last year.
• 1:01:56
  Do you know what I'm talking about, Steph?
• 1:01:58
  Yes, I know what you're talking about, but I didn't watch it
• 1:02:00
  because, OK, Cody Brown. Like, why would I want to watch
• 1:02:03
  Cody Brown? He's a doofus like.
• 1:02:06
  I heard he kind of got bullied by Brianna Chicken Fry, the
• 1:02:08
  chick that was dating Zac Brown. Anyway, doesn't matter.
• 1:02:11
  Not Zac Brown being a part of the Brown family anyway, doesn't
• 1:02:14
  matter regardless. I have no idea.
• 1:02:16
  So anyway, I wanted to watch that but they just announced
• 1:02:19
  that. I've never even seen the show by
• 1:02:20
  the way. I just heard like highlights of
• 1:02:22
  Cody being on there. But so this year, they just
• 1:02:26
  announced the cast, and the new cast has Colin Gosselin the guy
• 1:02:32
  that the kid. Oh yeah.
• 1:02:34
  OK. George Santos.
• 1:02:37
  Why? Why?
• 1:02:38
  George Santos, What did he lie about to get on the show?
• 1:02:44
  The drama and Ruby Rose. What?
• 1:02:48
  Yes, all these people. So I have to watch this season
• 1:02:52
  because apparently like Kate Gosselin was in special forces,
• 1:02:56
  but then she hurt herself on like the first episode and she
• 1:02:58
  went home. And so like Colin doing it as
• 1:03:00
  like an F you to his mom such. A bitch.
• 1:03:02
  About. So.
• 1:03:04
  Such a bitch. I always thought she was I'd I'd
• 1:03:07
  be watching it and I'd be like she treats him like shit.
• 1:03:11
  Like could she be any more condescending to that man?
• 1:03:14
  Like I just felt so bad for him the whole time.
• 1:03:18
  I think she's the one that started.
• 1:03:19
  Can I speak to the manager? Haircut.
• 1:03:22
  No, for real. For real.
• 1:03:25
  Yeah, for real. So can we classify as it that as
• 1:03:28
  its own religion 'cause it's all the universal like Karen, Bob
• 1:03:31
  cut they all have like like, did she just like start that?
• 1:03:34
  The Karens were like, Oh my God, that's the one.
• 1:03:37
  That's the haircut. We need to just know.
• 1:03:40
  That's it, Leader. That's it.
• 1:03:44
  We'll follow your every word. Yes.
• 1:03:46
  We want to speak to the manager. You were.
• 1:03:49
  You were right. Yeah.
• 1:03:53
  Yeah, I know. Karens, I know that don't rock
• 1:03:56
  the Bob, but that really should. Yeah, it's, it's so uncanny how
• 1:04:03
  many people have that haircut that genuinely act like that.
• 1:04:06
  And it's like, I don't know if it's just the vibe of that.
• 1:04:10
  Whole. Look or what do.
• 1:04:12
  You remember that person? No, I.
• 1:04:14
  Think you need to be a certain type of person to to wear that
• 1:04:16
  haircut. And I think it's the I would
• 1:04:19
  like to speak to your manager right now.
• 1:04:22
  So here's the other question, like if like if they go to say
• 1:04:26
  like the salon or whoever to get their like their hair done, do
• 1:04:29
  they like, I just need something new?
• 1:04:32
  You know what? I had the perfect haircut for
• 1:04:34
  you that I think would just fit you perfectly.
• 1:04:38
  What do you think of this? Oh, I love it.
• 1:04:40
  Yep, I knew it. I think what it is.
• 1:04:43
  Is, you know, you're normally supposed to show like a
• 1:04:45
  reference pic like this is what I kind of want to look like if
• 1:04:48
  we can achieve it. And so anybody that shows
• 1:04:50
  anything within that wheelhouse, they have to automatically
• 1:04:54
  already be a bitch. It's.
• 1:04:56
  Like, no, right? Do you want to look like, you
• 1:05:01
  know, a chicken? Like it's that spiky and I don't
• 1:05:06
  know. Especially look.
• 1:05:09
  Man. Highlights.
• 1:05:10
  I would just not say that we highlighted the.
• 1:05:13
  Bangs. With the.
• 1:05:14
  Spikes in the back. Thank God I never had a haircut
• 1:05:21
  like that. I did have the Rachel.
• 1:05:23
  Ugly haircuts No. There was no, there was one
• 1:05:27
  haircut that I it was really bad and I just.
• 1:05:30
  Rachel. Rachel.
• 1:05:31
  Oh, like Rachel from Friends. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:05:34
  Oh, but nobody. 'S had to have that haircut.
• 1:05:37
  I had. Right after Jamaica.
• 1:05:40
  I know that's what I was. Just about to say and you were
• 1:05:43
  with Rachel, who can go? Or something.
• 1:05:47
  Yeah, I went. Right after my son was born, I
• 1:05:50
  cut my hair really short. Like really short and it was
• 1:05:55
  bad. And then I went to Jamaica and
• 1:05:58
  the little girls wanted to braid my hair and so I had all these
• 1:06:01
  little braids just picking up everywhere it was.
• 1:06:06
  So bad. I love you, you're beautiful.
• 1:06:08
  But that was so bad. It was.
• 1:06:09
  Really. Good you.
• 1:06:11
  Go OK, we're all good though. It was really bad.
• 1:06:14
  Oh God. 2005. Yeah, yeah, 2005.
• 1:06:18
  Oh, that was, yeah, that was the time for that haircut.
• 1:06:21
  Not for that haircut. Well, in in my defense, I just
• 1:06:25
  had my son and I was just like over it, 'cause my hair is so
• 1:06:29
  thick and heavy that, you know, it was just like I had a whole
• 1:06:33
  10 lbs on my head. You.
• 1:06:36
  Do have that care? So I'm sure, Stephanie, can you
• 1:06:38
  look like? I can relate.
• 1:06:41
  Yeah, I can. Relate.
• 1:06:42
  And I just got my hair cut and thinned out last week and it
• 1:06:46
  just feels so much more light. And it's like, oh, thank God.
• 1:06:50
  I work outside so I'm kind of dying right now with my hair.
• 1:06:56
  OK. Well, is there anything else
• 1:06:59
  that we missed on baptizing the dead?
• 1:07:01
  There's like a lot we could get into, but I mean, it's pretty
• 1:07:07
  much. I think like that's the general
• 1:07:09
  idea of it. I appreciate that joy.
• 1:07:19
  What were you? Saying trying hard.
• 1:07:22
  I tried so hard. Yeah, I think.
• 1:07:25
  We got the majority of the baptisms for the dead.
• 1:07:27
  It's like they have the kids do that and then the adults do the
• 1:07:33
  ceilings for the dead. OK, what is that?
• 1:07:37
  I've never done it before, but apparently you can seal couples
• 1:07:41
  for all time and eternity after they've died.
• 1:07:44
  Oh, that's the Lori Mallow thing.
• 1:07:46
  That's where I heard you from. Yeah, OK.
• 1:07:51
  So that gets super weird, Super weird.
• 1:07:55
  OK, Like you should have someone on here that's been through the
• 1:07:58
  endowment session because I, I never did my endowment session.
• 1:08:03
  I like, I wasn't comfortable going to the temple and I had
• 1:08:07
  heard weird things happen and I didn't want to wear the weird
• 1:08:09
  underwear. So like I just refused to go in
• 1:08:13
  because I would like to pick my own clothing.
• 1:08:15
  Thank you very much. So you have to it was.
• 1:08:20
  Weird. And I don't want to dress that
• 1:08:22
  way, OK? So I have, I've never heard of
• 1:08:25
  the sealing of the dead. So what do they like?
• 1:08:28
  I, I mean, I've heard so many weird things that people do.
• 1:08:31
  Like I've heard when people get cremated, they want like the
• 1:08:34
  ashes, the ashes mixed in with the ink and they get it like
• 1:08:38
  tattooed on them. Like I've heard that I've heard
• 1:08:41
  like people do like painting like, well, you got to tell me
• 1:08:45
  what the ceiling of the dead. So did they do like just
• 1:08:47
  portraits of them or are they like just hanging up there like?
• 1:08:52
  No, you go and it's kind of like the baptism.
• 1:08:54
  So you go in and you act as proxy for for another couple.
• 1:09:00
  So yeah, you would go get sealed and they do the the little
• 1:09:05
  ceremony over. And over again we know, but I
• 1:09:07
  mean, I don't understand. Is it kind of how like
• 1:09:11
  polygamists are supposed to be together forever in the
• 1:09:13
  afterlife? Yeah, yeah.
• 1:09:16
  Like I wonder if they do like polygamist marriages after after
• 1:09:22
  you die because OK, because you can be sealed to more than one
• 1:09:25
  woman in the church, a man can. So that means like if you get
• 1:09:32
  divorced or you die, the man can just go and get sealed to
• 1:09:36
  another woman. OK.
• 1:09:38
  But the woman has to have that sealing broken, usually.
• 1:09:43
  But that doesn't mean they're married, correct?
• 1:09:45
  It just means. It doesn't mean they're married.
• 1:09:47
  Oh, it does. Because I was going to say
• 1:09:49
  posthumously if they're stealing them.
• 1:09:50
  It means they're married that it means they're married and the
• 1:09:54
  woman's going to be their their eternal baby maker.
• 1:09:59
  Because because Mormon heaven for women is you get to spit out
• 1:10:03
  a baby one after another after another, you're going to have
• 1:10:06
  spirit children for eternity. Doesn't that sound amazing?
• 1:10:10
  Like, don't you want to be pregnant forever?
• 1:10:11
  In eternity? Because I don't.
• 1:10:15
  There's so many, there's so many bad jokes I could make then
• 1:10:17
  make. Them all.
• 1:10:20
  So many bad jokes. Knocked up for eternity sounds
• 1:10:23
  horrifying and. I think that was one of the
• 1:10:26
  things that I never really realized about the Mormon faith
• 1:10:34
  is, is that when you see all of these missionaries out here
• 1:10:37
  going door to door or in TJ Maxx.
• 1:10:41
  I feel personally targeted, but you finish your sentence first.
• 1:10:46
  It's very apparent that the people doing that really don't
• 1:10:53
  know anything about their face other than what they've been
• 1:10:57
  told. They haven't really looked into
• 1:10:59
  it. Because if you look into it,
• 1:11:01
  then you're bad, you know, because you're questioning the
• 1:11:04
  church. And now when I see people like
• 1:11:10
  that, I'm I'm going to just feel really bad for them just because
• 1:11:16
  it's like, Dang, you're just, you given up your whole life to
• 1:11:22
  follow this thing that you don't even know what it is.
• 1:11:26
  Yeah, it's not just frowned upon to research your own religion.
• 1:11:31
  They call it looking into anti Mormon material and sometimes
• 1:11:34
  they go as far as disfellowshipping or
• 1:11:36
  excommunicating you for researching your own church.
• 1:11:40
  Wow. And see, I mean, the the Bible
• 1:11:46
  talks about how when Paul would go places, he went to Berea and
• 1:11:52
  you know, he was telling them everything that they needed to
• 1:11:55
  learn and everything, but they went and checked it against the
• 1:11:59
  scriptures that they already had.
• 1:12:02
  You know, so the Bible tells us be like a Berean and go check it
• 1:12:05
  out. You know, don't just believe
• 1:12:07
  whatever you're told. Yeah, you would think that that
• 1:12:09
  would be a much better way to handle things.
• 1:12:11
  But no, in the Mormon church, they don't want you to look into
• 1:12:16
  anything. They don't even want you to look
• 1:12:18
  into. Like they don't want you to look
• 1:12:21
  deeply into church history, especially because then you're
• 1:12:23
  going to find some really shady stuff, really shady stuff, and
• 1:12:27
  you are probably going to leave. But maybe you can marry Peter
• 1:12:34
  still when he dies. I don't know, get a check.
• 1:12:36
  And I was going. To know who?
• 1:12:38
  Peter still is, yeah. Who's that?
• 1:12:40
  It sounds familiar. I don't know who you, but I I do
• 1:12:43
  also wonder for the guys. Yeah.
• 1:12:44
  How many of them are like, yeah, I'm, I'm, I'm marrying Marilyn
• 1:12:46
  Monroe. So there's just like a train of
• 1:12:49
  Mormon dudes trying to go after her.
• 1:12:52
  OK. I would like to be filled to
• 1:12:53
  Marilyn Monroe. My little tangent again, yet
• 1:12:56
  again, because there's always a tangent.
• 1:12:59
  Marilyn Monroe. Rest in peace because she
• 1:13:02
  genuinely cannot just be in peace where she's at because she
• 1:13:07
  literally had the man, I don't remember his name beside who was
• 1:13:12
  married by the way, when he passed away.
• 1:13:15
  He is above her in the mausoleum and he got buried face down so
• 1:13:20
  that he could say he's face down on top of Marilyn Monroe for all
• 1:13:22
  of eternity. And then next her is Hugh Hefner
• 1:13:27
  who explained her images where the Playboy male Monroe stuff
• 1:13:31
  that wasn't even something that she took for Playboy that she
• 1:13:34
  did when she was still Norma Jean and she was just trying to
• 1:13:36
  make money in like a rough spot. And so Hugh Hefner bought that
• 1:13:40
  up and he used it for the first issue of Playboy.
• 1:13:42
  So she literally in death doesn't even have any piece.
• 1:13:45
  And the Kennedys, allegedly the Kennedys.
• 1:13:49
  That's all I asked. Me so sad like she was just
• 1:13:51
  fetishized. Yeah, and still is.
• 1:13:53
  She's a. Beautiful woman and she was just
• 1:13:56
  trying to live her life and I don't think that she was prepped
• 1:14:00
  for the stuff that she had to go through and not to mention the
• 1:14:02
  traumatic childhood that she had that even LED her to taking some
• 1:14:05
  of the well it's not that she even did anything wrong.
• 1:14:09
  She did like 1 nude photo shoot when she was poor and had no
• 1:14:13
  money. Like, you know how many people
• 1:14:16
  have probably done that and you know, that's nothing wrong.
• 1:14:21
  You know, I don't have an issue with that.
• 1:14:22
  And the poor thing, it's just all these years later and it's
• 1:14:25
  like if she did take her life and all these people still
• 1:14:28
  fetishizing her is insane. And then if she was murdered and
• 1:14:31
  a bunch of people fetishizing her is insane.
• 1:14:33
  So anyway, I don't know. I feel very strongly, feel very
• 1:14:36
  strongly for Marilyn Monroe. There's a few different
• 1:14:39
  celebrities that I feel strongly about.
• 1:14:42
  Yeah. I don't really care about
• 1:14:44
  celebrities, so it's not. Even that I'm like.
• 1:14:46
  It's not even that I'm like, oh, you know, whatever.
• 1:14:48
  But it's just I feel bad for them and it's like I feel bad
• 1:14:50
  for her. I can't believe they baptized
• 1:14:53
  Gandhi. That's ridiculous, that is.
• 1:14:56
  They're about Gandhi. They baptized.
• 1:14:59
  Church baptized Gandhi and. He was a weird disrespectful.
• 1:15:04
  You just got a weirder though low key.
• 1:15:07
  I. Think a lot of a lot of people
• 1:15:08
  are. I think almost every person that
• 1:15:10
  was on the list, it was kind of a weirdo.
• 1:15:12
  Yeah. Not, not everyone, not Anne
• 1:15:14
  Frank and maybe some other people.
• 1:15:16
  I can't tell. Somebody said that Sigmund
• 1:15:19
  Freud's family owns a Netflix. What I know that they own quite
• 1:15:25
  a quite a few. Things which Sigmund Freud was a
• 1:15:28
  bit of. A weirdo he was.
• 1:15:30
  Oh, he was. Really weird.
• 1:15:31
  He was a weirdo and I just found this out like 2 days ago and we
• 1:15:35
  were talking about this but Anne Frank was apparently like kind
• 1:15:38
  of queer. Like she wasn't necessarily like
• 1:15:40
  a lesbian, but. He was curious.
• 1:15:43
  But some of the stuff that she wrote, like in a lot of their
• 1:15:46
  books that we had to read in high school and stuff, they
• 1:15:48
  actually changed it to a man. But she was talking about like a
• 1:15:51
  woman in a female form and like the way that she she was like
• 1:15:53
  attracted to women and tried to sleep with one of her friends at
• 1:15:57
  one point and just it didn't work out.
• 1:15:59
  And it's like, wow, just the crazy random stuff that we
• 1:16:02
  erased from history for like, really no apparent reason.
• 1:16:05
  That is interesting. Or on a weirdo or.
• 1:16:09
  I'm sorry Joy. My bad.
• 1:16:13
  No, I mean, yeah. I say there's there's so many
• 1:16:18
  weird facts I know about Hitler just going diving into like the
• 1:16:21
  World War 2 history that I learned just like apparently the
• 1:16:24
  British at one point tried to basically give him chocolate
• 1:16:27
  bars full of estrogen to try to feminize him in the hopes of
• 1:16:32
  getting him to end the war. What and he?
• 1:16:35
  Only had one ball, right? I think so, I heard.
• 1:16:39
  He was hopped up on all kinds of drugs.
• 1:16:41
  Like. Yeah, it was Mengele actually
• 1:16:45
  hated Hitler's personal doctor, because Mengele actually, having
• 1:16:49
  finished medical school and going through this, he's like,
• 1:16:51
  you're literally killing him. He's like, no, shut up.
• 1:16:53
  And Hitler trusted this man with his absolute life.
• 1:16:56
  And so Mengele was kind of like told just, you know, shut up in
• 1:16:59
  color in Auschwitz. And so he just, he never tried
• 1:17:04
  to basically quit and the other like leadership would never try
• 1:17:08
  to stop him either. Also fun fact, he was a vegan
• 1:17:12
  and he is actually the first implementation of their having
• 1:17:17
  to be rules for euthanization in slaughterhouses in Germany back
• 1:17:22
  during that time because there was no rules.
• 1:17:23
  He was a huge animal rights activist of you bet he.
• 1:17:27
  Was the human rights activist. No, he's like, I love these some
• 1:17:30
  animals, but man, them people. I can't.
• 1:17:32
  Do people have to go? What?
• 1:17:35
  Some of. The worst people I've seen
• 1:17:37
  pictures of Hitler with dogs I've seen watch a video of Putin
• 1:17:41
  with a damn dog. Oh my goodness.
• 1:17:44
  He'll he'll like I don't think I've ever seen.
• 1:17:45
  That been like kissing a puppy on the head, like holding it
• 1:17:49
  close, kissing it on the head, like crazy stuff.
• 1:17:51
  Like I think somebody else was like abusing the puppy and then
• 1:17:53
  he just came and he little like it's so crazy.
• 1:17:56
  It's like people that hate humans love animals that is.
• 1:18:00
  True I. Love animals, but I don't hate
• 1:18:03
  humans. There are quite a few people who
• 1:18:06
  would rather deal with the animal population of the world
• 1:18:11
  than the human population of the world.
• 1:18:14
  There's some on on some days. I don't blame them, but.
• 1:18:20
  Some days it's just me and my dog against the world, OK, but I
• 1:18:23
  don't mean that I wish death and destruction about the human
• 1:18:27
  race. Yeah, I mean, it's so weird to
• 1:18:30
  know that Hitler did that, but yet basically set up
• 1:18:34
  slaughterhouses for humans. I mean.
• 1:18:36
  That is weird. That's so wild.
• 1:18:40
  Yeah, he he did that like it. It was just it was weird his
• 1:18:44
  again, because you look at his background and you look at
• 1:18:46
  everything he did as far as like all the jobs that he created for
• 1:18:50
  essentially just war jobs. But you know, doing his best to
• 1:18:53
  eliminate the poverty, doing his best to make sure everybody had
• 1:18:56
  a living now, albeit it was arming up for war.
• 1:19:00
  But yeah, he hated he hated drinking.
• 1:19:03
  So it because his his father, who married his niece, which is
• 1:19:09
  where Hitler came out of. He was a product of incest,
• 1:19:13
  Yeah, which is also a potential. Explanation Angry too.
• 1:19:16
  Yeah, might also be his father was very abusive, but his father
• 1:19:19
  is also a drunk so he hated alcohol so he didn't do alcohol.
• 1:19:23
  He didn't want to eat animals which is why he was a vegan.
• 1:19:26
  And then he implemented all the like.
• 1:19:28
  They have to be euthanized before going to the
• 1:19:30
  slaughterhouse rules, at least in in Germany and what not.
• 1:19:34
  Wow, that's wild. History is so fascinating
• 1:19:38
  because people are painted with just one brush stroke, you know,
• 1:19:43
  as far as like who they are or what they did.
• 1:19:47
  And yes, Hitler definitely deserves that brush stroke.
• 1:19:50
  At the same time, you know, finding out different facets of
• 1:19:54
  people's personalities and things like that.
• 1:19:59
  It's just. I think we should study it for
• 1:20:02
  sure. Yeah, no.
• 1:20:04
  And that, and I think that's why I love history so much, because
• 1:20:08
  you can learn so much about the present from studying the
• 1:20:11
  history, you know? Speaking of Hitler and brush
• 1:20:15
  strokes, if he would have just been accepted into art school,
• 1:20:17
  we wouldn't be having. This could have all been
• 1:20:21
  avoided, all been avoided if they were like, you know what?
• 1:20:23
  No, you can do it man. I was with someone the other day
• 1:20:27
  and he was making some point, and I don't remember what the
• 1:20:30
  grand point was, but he's like, and it's like, oh, and Hitler,
• 1:20:33
  if, you know, maybe if he was good at painting, things would
• 1:20:35
  be different. I was like, no, Have you ever
• 1:20:36
  actually seen one of Hitler's paintings?
• 1:20:38
  I feel like he's pretty good. Yeah.
• 1:20:40
  And actually. He was decent.
• 1:20:42
  He was good. I can see how many.
• 1:20:43
  Maybe he wasn't like, it didn't look inspired.
• 1:20:46
  Perhaps I was like, I don't know, man, you might want to
• 1:20:49
  take that back. He actually was not like a bad
• 1:20:51
  artist. Like, I mean, everybody's art.
• 1:20:54
  Self. But.
• 1:20:55
  Well, and at the time too, he was also, he was real big into
• 1:20:59
  copying postcards. So he would take portraits that
• 1:21:02
  were already made and he would copy them and then he would
• 1:21:04
  sell, he would resell them to people.
• 1:21:06
  So that way he could continue to at least make money.
• 1:21:08
  This is of course, initially before he gets introduced to the
• 1:21:12
  Nazi Party and whatnot. But yeah, that was some of his
• 1:21:14
  specialties. Was just basically copying some
• 1:21:17
  work that had already been done and then basically reselling it.
• 1:21:21
  I didn't know that. Interesting.
• 1:21:23
  So to get back on topic a little bit, I did not realize that the
• 1:21:31
  Mormon church was different from the Mormon temple.
• 1:21:35
  So I I did not realize that until recently that the temple
• 1:21:43
  was not a place that just everybody in the Mormon church
• 1:21:46
  went to every Sunday morning to worship.
• 1:21:50
  No, it's special. You have to be worthy to go in
• 1:21:52
  there. Yeah, and you have to pay your
• 1:21:54
  10%. Oh really?
• 1:21:58
  So it's it's based on tithing and all of that.
• 1:22:01
  You have to be a full type payer.
• 1:22:02
  You have to follow all the rules.
• 1:22:04
  You have to follow the Word of Wisdom.
• 1:22:09
  Either that or you lied to the Bishop and tell them that you're
• 1:22:11
  following all the rules. Some people do that.
• 1:22:14
  I never did. And why is it separate?
• 1:22:19
  Are, are they going on the model of like in the Old Testament
• 1:22:23
  where where they had the temple and then the church basically or
• 1:22:29
  whatever? So the temple is where they do
• 1:22:32
  all the rituals. They do a lot of Masonic rituals
• 1:22:36
  and they don't want people seeing the rituals that they do.
• 1:22:39
  So you have to be you have to be screened basically before you go
• 1:22:45
  to the temple and then you do you used to do an oath.
• 1:22:49
  OK, so it used to be that you would you would make an oath to
• 1:22:57
  spill your guts basically. What is it called?
• 1:23:01
  Sabaku, the Japanese where? They where?
• 1:23:05
  They commit suicide if they, if they wrong the like if they
• 1:23:10
  bring dishonor or whatever. So yeah, it's basically like it
• 1:23:15
  was until like 1992 that you would do the motions that you'd
• 1:23:18
  split your throat and empty your bowels if you were to reveal the
• 1:23:22
  secrets of the temple. Holy crap, sorry.
• 1:23:28
  That was till like 1992 that they were doing the motion with
• 1:23:31
  it too. So now they just say it and they
• 1:23:33
  don't do the motions because the motions creeped a lot of people.
• 1:23:36
  Out. So I know one of the other
• 1:23:39
  things with the temples too, like not, not anybody can go
• 1:23:42
  into the temple like you have to, like you said, you have to
• 1:23:45
  be an active member of the Church.
• 1:23:47
  I think there is an oath and whatnot that you have to take.
• 1:23:49
  You even have to have like they give.
• 1:23:50
  The temple recommend. That and I think you also have
• 1:23:53
  to have like a little ID card too.
• 1:23:55
  Don't. You.
• 1:23:55
  Yeah, that's the temple recommend.
• 1:23:57
  And that if you basically, if you don't, then you try to get
• 1:24:01
  in, they'll either deny you or they do have the option like
• 1:24:05
  they can reach out to basically like, I don't, I don't know what
• 1:24:09
  the equivalent to like your local priest is, but whoever is
• 1:24:13
  like over your church in your specific area, like they have to
• 1:24:16
  call to them. Specific Bishop.
• 1:24:19
  Yeah, and confirm who you who you are and that you actually
• 1:24:22
  are, who you say you are, that you're a part of the church and
• 1:24:25
  then they will actually allow you into the temple as far as
• 1:24:28
  like being. I don't think you can get into
• 1:24:29
  the temples without your temple recommend.
• 1:24:32
  Really. It's like an ID card.
• 1:24:33
  Yeah, and they scan it. Yeah.
• 1:24:37
  I mean, it's gotten to that point where, you know, you have
• 1:24:40
  an ID card that's got a scan and everything.
• 1:24:43
  And so to me, the fact that it resembles so much the Masonic
• 1:24:52
  traditions and everything like that, it's it basically is just
• 1:24:58
  a large secret society. Yeah.
• 1:25:02
  Yeah, So kind of along with that and kind of off topic, my, so a
• 1:25:07
  lot of the men in my family, all this, at least the older men all
• 1:25:10
  decided to join the Masons. Like they were all a part of it.
• 1:25:13
  Like my grandfather, my uncles, the only two that haven't are my
• 1:25:16
  brother and I. And of course they always
• 1:25:18
  offered and wanted us to. Well, my aunt's brother passed
• 1:25:22
  away a couple years ago and we went to the funeral and the curl
• 1:25:26
  I was with at the time was like, you need to join the Masons.
• 1:25:29
  Oh, why? I'm like, why do I want to join
• 1:25:32
  the Mason? She's like, well, I want to know
• 1:25:33
  all the secrets and girls can't be members.
• 1:25:34
  I was like, that's a you problem.
• 1:25:36
  I'm not joining them just because you want to know the
• 1:25:39
  secret. Keep in mind this is in the
• 1:25:40
  middle of the funeral. So like there are four active
• 1:25:43
  Masons up there. And so apparently I threw my
• 1:25:47
  voice well enough that she was like, you need to join.
• 1:25:50
  I was like, I'm not joining a freaking cult.
• 1:25:52
  And it was said loud enough and thrown enough that his brother
• 1:25:59
  believe that his ex, the Ted guy's ex-wife is the one who
• 1:26:03
  said it and was like livid. So my uncle comes over to my
• 1:26:07
  mom's house and is like livid. Like I can't believe she said
• 1:26:10
  that. And my mom is sitting there
• 1:26:11
  trying not to bust out laughing. He's like, only you knew that
• 1:26:15
  was your nephew that said that. You know, whenever my
• 1:26:21
  grandparents pass, I at least asked to be the person all of my
• 1:26:27
  great grandparents Masonic stuff.
• 1:26:31
  So somewhere in our. Ring and the robes and stuff.
• 1:26:36
  At least the robe, whatever they have, that's what I asked for.
• 1:26:39
  I asked for that and for some sex pamphlets that have Disney
• 1:26:43
  characters in them. You can't just drop that.
• 1:26:47
  They're literally from like the 403040.
• 1:26:50
  I'll like find a picture and I'll send some to you stuff if
• 1:26:53
  that's OK. But it's like cartoons.
• 1:26:55
  But seriously, it's like I think Disney animators went like
• 1:26:58
  rogue. It was Disney.
• 1:27:00
  It's. Absolutely insane.
• 1:27:01
  Like it is like Snow White and the seven dwarves.
• 1:27:04
  I mean, I'll send you some tutors.
• 1:27:06
  It's real, it's real. It's real it.
• 1:27:09
  What? That was a nerd in this.
• 1:27:11
  One's basement. No, it's we found a bunch of
• 1:27:13
  booklets and they were definitely from like the 30s and
• 1:27:16
  40s, so. I will send them to you and my
• 1:27:18
  grandma's like you want them. I was like, yeah, anything like
• 1:27:21
  sex related from my great grandparents I absolutely want
• 1:27:25
  in my room can. I think you're possessed or.
• 1:27:27
  Something not. At all.
• 1:27:29
  My grandma's a pervert too, but I have a trouble.
• 1:27:32
  I didn't say that. I'm just kidding, she's not as.
• 1:27:36
  As she used to be. But anyway in my room I could
• 1:27:38
  have a bus that was made by my grandma and or my great grandma.
• 1:27:43
  I'm sorry. And it's like a woman's figure
• 1:27:45
  and she has like something like a ribbon covering like the
• 1:27:48
  nether regions or whatever. And on the bottom it says to
• 1:27:51
  Chuck, which is my great grandpa or whatever.
• 1:27:53
  So anyway, they were fun. Apparently there was other stuff
• 1:27:57
  that she found that she said she had to throw it immediately.
• 1:27:59
  So I can. I want to know what that was.
• 1:28:01
  Like I. Have an idea?
• 1:28:02
  Like I thought we left this all behind when I joined the church.
• 1:28:06
  Yeah. See my first thought is I'm just
• 1:28:09
  picturing mini. Like that's my first thought.
• 1:28:16
  No White and the seven dwarfs. Bonnie and Clyde.
• 1:28:19
  Bonnie and Clyde, Donald Duck and his nephews for some
• 1:28:22
  freaking reason. No.
• 1:28:24
  Yeah, so hee wee Dewey and Louie.
• 1:28:28
  Anyway, I'll find some pictures that I'll send things to you,
• 1:28:32
  all within reason. For this reason.
• 1:28:36
  Huey, Huey, Dewey and Louie getting gooey Disney.
• 1:28:44
  I don't think any of us would be accepted in the Mormon church
• 1:28:46
  though. Well, no.
• 1:28:47
  I don't think so either. Oh yeah, I definitely did.
• 1:28:53
  Not so Aunt Marie. When Dad first got sick and we
• 1:28:58
  found out about the tumor, she put Dad on the prayer list for
• 1:29:03
  the temple. And I was like, what are you
• 1:29:06
  doing? Now You've got me.
• 1:29:07
  Like, no, she's not. She just.
• 1:29:10
  Wanted. Extra.
• 1:29:11
  List. Yeah.
• 1:29:12
  So I guess you can submit prayers to the temple or
• 1:29:17
  something. I don't know, prayers.
• 1:29:18
  From anywhere she could get it. But I get it, you know, who is
• 1:29:21
  to say what the one way to heaven is, You know, just have
• 1:29:25
  everybody pray and something my. I was just like Aunt Marie.
• 1:29:28
  You gave him my name and my husband's name.
• 1:29:30
  What are you doing? They're never going to leave you
• 1:29:33
  alone now, Ever. Ever.
• 1:29:36
  Unless you tell them that you're lesbian and then they'll leave
• 1:29:38
  you alone. OK, Amber, just when they call,
• 1:29:41
  just be like I'm a lesbian. I'm sorry.
• 1:29:43
  I'll. Have my husband pretend to be a
• 1:29:45
  girl, you know? I did say, I did say I'm a Gold
• 1:29:49
  Star lesbian. I should be OK.
• 1:29:51
  I know, I know. I might have used that a couple
• 1:29:58
  times and it does work OK. I say I just kind of want like a
• 1:30:02
  religious like battle royal, like can I put some Jehovah's
• 1:30:05
  Witnesses in with some like Mormons and just see like who
• 1:30:08
  comes out on top is like the superior of the two?
• 1:30:11
  They're very close, actually. Jehovah's Witness and Mormons
• 1:30:14
  very, very close. What's the key?
• 1:30:16
  Difference. I think Jehovah's Witnesses,
• 1:30:18
  like they, they get you with the shunning man.
• 1:30:21
  They they do the shunning better than the Mormons.
• 1:30:24
  Oh, I didn't know that. Oh, yeah.
• 1:30:26
  Oh, yeah. Jehovah's Witness.
• 1:30:28
  If you leave the church like a parent, say, say you, Amber,
• 1:30:33
  were to leave the church, your husband would keep Elora and
• 1:30:37
  your son from you because. And you can't talk to each other
• 1:30:41
  anymore because you've left the faith and you're now a bad
• 1:30:44
  person. Yeah.
• 1:30:46
  I had no idea. Elora would have already left
• 1:30:48
  the faith before Amber got the chance.
• 1:30:51
  I know, I know. But but yeah, like you, you have
• 1:30:55
  to shut them. And they have like all these.
• 1:30:58
  It's cartoons about shunning and shunning your family and how
• 1:31:02
  it's righteous. It's really sad.
• 1:31:04
  Amish. Yeah, I say.
• 1:31:05
  I was just thinking the Amish are that way, too.
• 1:31:07
  Like especially once you decide to, you get like your year of
• 1:31:10
  freedom and then when you come back, if you decide not to, your
• 1:31:13
  family's like, Nope, no more. We have a pretty sizable Amish
• 1:31:18
  slash Mennonite community around us.
• 1:31:21
  They've. Kind of modernized for the times
• 1:31:24
  a lot more. They're all driving cars.
• 1:31:27
  And also, so I got kind of annoyed.
• 1:31:30
  I told the story the other day. So I was like already like 40
• 1:31:34
  minutes over my shift and I just wanted to go home.
• 1:31:36
  I work with plants. It's hot outside.
• 1:31:39
  It is what it is. This is like last year.
• 1:31:40
  So anyway, I'm about to clock out.
• 1:31:42
  And as I'm clocking out without my, you know, my uniform or vest
• 1:31:46
  on or whatever, anything, this Amish lady comes up to me and
• 1:31:49
  she's like, hey, how do you take care of this plant?
• 1:31:52
  I was like, well, I can really only tell you what's on the back
• 1:31:55
  of the tag. She's like, no, you need to tell
• 1:31:57
  me how to take care of this plant.
• 1:32:00
  I was like, OK, so I Googled it and I gave her some bullet
• 1:32:03
  points or whatever, and she's like, OK, well, can you print
• 1:32:07
  that out? And I was like, well, I can't
• 1:32:10
  really connect my phone to the printers here.
• 1:32:13
  They really Only Connect to the computers that we have at my
• 1:32:15
  job. And she's like, well, can you
• 1:32:18
  e-mail it to me? And she's e-mail.
• 1:32:22
  Yeah, I was like, well, I was like, I mean, I don't really
• 1:32:25
  have my work e-mail on my phone. She's like, can you e-mail it to
• 1:32:29
  me? I can e-mail, but they can't
• 1:32:32
  look stuff up on Google. Literally, And I was like, you
• 1:32:35
  know what, I was like, I wouldn't typically give somebody
• 1:32:38
  my e-mail, but I don't think this Amish woman's going to do
• 1:32:40
  anything with it. And I just want to get out of
• 1:32:42
  here because she's just looking at me like this.
• 1:32:44
  And I'm like, OK, you're not taking any of my excuses to get
• 1:32:47
  out of this conversation. So OK, so I literally just I've
• 1:32:51
  asked for her e-mail and. I'm just thinking.
• 1:32:53
  Yeah, exactly. It's like, why can't you just
• 1:32:54
  Google it if you can e-mail it? Now, I assume, and this is just
• 1:32:58
  an assumption, who who freaking knows what's actually going on?
• 1:33:00
  But I was like, well, maybe they have like a community computer
• 1:33:03
  and they can e-mail stuff for like business and that sort of
• 1:33:06
  thing. So I figured that was probably
• 1:33:07
  the thing, but it's like, I mean, I don't know, go to go to
• 1:33:11
  the local Amish store that has a nursery, ask them what's going
• 1:33:15
  on having I don't. Know, I wonder if it's like the
• 1:33:18
  FLDS with with computers, like some families have them but it's
• 1:33:22
  only for specific stuff and they're not allowed to to just
• 1:33:25
  like Google stuff. Oh, really?
• 1:33:29
  Well, if you Google stuff it might have some crazy stuff that
• 1:33:31
  pops up so. It might tell you that you're in
• 1:33:33
  a cult and that you need help. I mean, they don't want you to
• 1:33:38
  find out that you know. I wonder if they used?
• 1:33:42
  To. You know, I'm just so fascinated
• 1:33:44
  that there's so many people involved in this religion and
• 1:33:52
  most of them don't even know what's really going on.
• 1:33:56
  Yeah, they don't. They don't because most of them
• 1:34:00
  are born into it and they're just raised with what is taught
• 1:34:05
  in church in the church buildings.
• 1:34:07
  And unless they have a family member that's like really into
• 1:34:10
  church history, they'll probably never even research the church
• 1:34:15
  and find out that Joseph Smith was a polygamist or that he had
• 1:34:18
  child brides or anything like that.
• 1:34:23
  It it to me. And they don't believe it when
• 1:34:25
  you tell them. Yeah, like, to me, it's kind of
• 1:34:28
  weird. And I mean, I get it.
• 1:34:29
  If you if you grow up that way, you I guess never know the
• 1:34:32
  difference. But like I was always the like I
• 1:34:34
  was always the kid. I like I say I question
• 1:34:36
  everything. I'm like, why do we do what we
• 1:34:39
  do? Like, what is this Like, well,
• 1:34:41
  what about this? And especially like, I mean, I
• 1:34:43
  went to public school, so it's probably also, you know, a
• 1:34:45
  terrible thing. But like, but it's like, you
• 1:34:49
  know, I'm exposed to like different people.
• 1:34:50
  It's like, OK, like what do you think about this?
• 1:34:53
  Well, this is how I think. This is how my parents teach me
• 1:34:55
  how to think. And it's like so.
• 1:34:57
  OK, for me, for me, my first shelf breaking moment was when I
• 1:35:02
  was 8 and I was living in Pennsylvania and you have to
• 1:35:06
  learn the articles of faith to get baptized.
• 1:35:08
  So I was learning all the articles of faith and one of
• 1:35:11
  them is man shall be punished for his own sins and not for
• 1:35:15
  Adam's transgressions. But this was like 1992, I want
• 1:35:21
  to say. And so I noticed there weren't
• 1:35:25
  any black people in my church, but I was one of three white
• 1:35:28
  kids in my class. So I was surrounded by all these
• 1:35:33
  black people, but none of them were in my church.
• 1:35:35
  And then and then I learned about the curse of Cain.
• 1:35:38
  And it just didn't make sense to me why man wouldn't be punished.
• 1:35:43
  Why man would be punished for their own sins and not for
• 1:35:45
  Adam's transgressions. But why would they hold the
• 1:35:48
  curse of Cain? You know, like that doesn't make
• 1:35:50
  sense. So do they still hold that
• 1:35:54
  policy? Yeah, they still have those same
• 1:35:57
  beliefs, they just don't talk about it.
• 1:35:59
  They're not a black man. Still not allowed to be like a
• 1:36:03
  whole priesthood, correct or no? You can.
• 1:36:04
  You can hold priesthood now since like the 80s.
• 1:36:07
  The 80s? OK, OK.
• 1:36:09
  But it's probably still not a very large black or otherwise
• 1:36:13
  population in those churches. They are targeting Africa right
• 1:36:17
  now. I call it targeting recruitment
• 1:36:20
  I and it actually really makes me upset.
• 1:36:23
  I can imagine. Do you know what parts of Africa
• 1:36:26
  or just. Ghana and the really four parts
• 1:36:30
  of Africa. If you go on TikTok, sometimes
• 1:36:35
  you can see these videos of American, yeah, like American
• 1:36:41
  missionaries. And they're, they're at these
• 1:36:44
  these houses like with dirt floors and they don't have
• 1:36:47
  running water. And I just, I imagine them
• 1:36:51
  asking them to get baptized and then pay tithing.
• 1:36:54
  And I just find it absurd to ask someone who doesn't have running
• 1:36:58
  water to pay tithing. Oh 100%, I have a very different
• 1:37:04
  look on missionaries now as an adult than I did as a.
• 1:37:07
  Child. And that's of any faith or sect
• 1:37:10
  or religion or anything. A lot of self-serving or people
• 1:37:15
  that want to. Colonization.
• 1:37:18
  Colonization, absolutely a white savior complex.
• 1:37:22
  A lot of times people have good intentions that are like the
• 1:37:26
  individuals that are signing up to like do missionary work and
• 1:37:29
  stuff like that, but they kind of just play into a bigger
• 1:37:32
  system. And a lot of people I feel like
• 1:37:35
  are kind of beyond even trying to explain to them how they're
• 1:37:38
  kind of a part of the system. Somebody that I'm very close to
• 1:37:43
  did a lot of work in Africa for several years and live there for
• 1:37:46
  several years. And he was telling me that
• 1:37:49
  sometimes missionaries of 1 denomination would come in and
• 1:37:52
  they would build like a school or a church or whatever the need
• 1:37:56
  was there. And then they would tear it down
• 1:37:58
  and they would send somebody else from another church or
• 1:38:01
  sect, come in and rebuild in that exact same spot.
• 1:38:05
  Helping anyone? It's just to try and a lot of
• 1:38:09
  people, and again, not everybody, but a lot of people
• 1:38:12
  that do these missionary trips, I think they just want to travel
• 1:38:17
  the world and see things because they're not really plugged into
• 1:38:20
  their own community, helping out with the homeless population or
• 1:38:23
  the veteran or whatever the need.
• 1:38:25
  Flint, MI here why do you need to go somewhere else?
• 1:38:28
  Offering the children of Flint, MI clean water.
• 1:38:31
  No, and that's one of the things that my husband and I have tried
• 1:38:35
  to do is support home grown missionaries, people in that
• 1:38:43
  community who then go out and tell that same community about
• 1:38:48
  God instead of bringing for bringing a whole family.
• 1:38:53
  More of a need to like provide food or shelter or all this
• 1:38:56
  stuff than just like, let me just tell you about.
• 1:38:58
  I mean, God exists. Show God through your actions.
• 1:39:00
  If that's what you believe, well.
• 1:39:02
  Yeah, and the and the local missionaries are the people that
• 1:39:05
  can actually show, you know, change.
• 1:39:09
  Some, I'm not saying this is what you're supporting, but
• 1:39:12
  there's a lot of places and people that will be like, OK,
• 1:39:15
  well we're only going to help you if you'll listen to our
• 1:39:19
  spiel about God. It's like none of this other
• 1:39:22
  stuff you get. Baptized.
• 1:39:24
  You know, I can't confirm if this is true or not, but I saw a
• 1:39:28
  TikTok video and this lady was talking about how apparently
• 1:39:34
  Turning Point USA might own some women's shelters or help out
• 1:39:37
  with some women's shelters or something of that effect.
• 1:39:41
  And she said before, you know, the whole Charlie Kirk thing
• 1:39:44
  happened completely unrelated to that whole mess.
• 1:39:48
  But apparently she had reached out to Turning Point USA not
• 1:39:52
  knowing who they were, to see if they could help her help her Co
• 1:39:56
  worker get into a shelter because she was in a domestic
• 1:39:59
  violence situation and so. It turned out that her Co worker
• 1:40:04
  or friend or whatever didn't speak very good English and so
• 1:40:08
  they're like, well, she's not going to be able to participate
• 1:40:10
  in Bible study if she doesn't know English.
• 1:40:12
  So we require that you go to this Bible study in order for
• 1:40:16
  you to get any help from us. So they completely turned her
• 1:40:19
  away and she was stuck in that domestic situation for a while.
• 1:40:22
  And, you know, this isn't me just putting the blame on this
• 1:40:25
  one particular situation or, you know, agency because who knows
• 1:40:29
  what really happened. But I've heard stories about
• 1:40:31
  things like that plenty of times where it's like you have to
• 1:40:34
  adhere to these certain rules or or else you're not getting
• 1:40:37
  helped. You want to spread our agenda
• 1:40:40
  and push our beliefs on you. And that's the only way we're
• 1:40:42
  going to give you food or water or shelter.
• 1:40:44
  And I'm not saying that's definitely what you're
• 1:40:46
  supporting, but it's like that. That's what I struggle with.
• 1:40:50
  But it's and it's probably easier, yeah.
• 1:40:52
  And it's probably easier to do that with people say in Africa
• 1:40:56
  who that it's it becomes a true necessity towards survival.
• 1:40:59
  Whereas here it's like, OK, well, realistically there are
• 1:41:03
  other options like, you know, it, it may not be the easiest
• 1:41:06
  path as far as like, well, if I can't get here in the city, if I
• 1:41:09
  walk or if I'm able to, you know, get enough funds to go to
• 1:41:13
  another city or another town, I might be have a better stroke of
• 1:41:16
  luck. Where is there?
• 1:41:17
  It's like you might have to cross a whole entire country
• 1:41:20
  depending on where you're at and what the situation is there.
• 1:41:23
  That may even be like war-torn of being able to get that
• 1:41:26
  assistance. So it's like, yeah, they're, I
• 1:41:29
  guess they would probably look at it as they're more complicit
• 1:41:32
  in following said rules and guidelines than anything.
• 1:41:38
  Joy had what Joy had the crush on Officer.
• 1:41:42
  Tatum, it's part. Of what turning point USAI?
• 1:41:46
  Haven't seen him. I have no clue and I have not.
• 1:41:49
  I don't know. I used to like Officer Tatum I,
• 1:41:53
  I think. He's anyone involved in that
• 1:41:54
  organization can pick. Around, I think he's gotten a.
• 1:41:57
  Role I love you, Laura. I don't like the race talk all
• 1:42:02
  the time. And unfortunately I, I feel like
• 1:42:05
  a lot of those people talk about race and try to pit each race
• 1:42:10
  against each other. And I, I've gotten to the point
• 1:42:14
  where I just can't, you know, hang with that anymore.
• 1:42:17
  But I do, I do like them. So anyways, yeah, no.
• 1:42:22
  And so one of the, it reminds me of Rice Christians.
• 1:42:28
  Have you guys ever heard of that?
• 1:42:31
  So Rice Christians are basically people who will say that they
• 1:42:35
  are a Christian just so they can get a bowl of rice or whatever.
• 1:42:38
  Oh, OK, that makes sense. Yeah.
• 1:42:40
  And, and my husband and I have always been against that kind of
• 1:42:48
  missions work. I mean, that's just not missions
• 1:42:50
  work. That's just, you know, it's not.
• 1:42:52
  Charity, it's, it's coercion. Yeah, yeah.
• 1:42:56
  No. And, and I truly believe that as
• 1:43:01
  of now, people need to start staying in their own community
• 1:43:05
  and helping the people around their life and world.
• 1:43:11
  Because we can complain all day about what happens in
• 1:43:14
  Washington, but if we don't change things in our own
• 1:43:19
  community, then, you know, we're just spinning our wills, in my
• 1:43:24
  opinion. Check under your pillow real
• 1:43:27
  quick, Tony. No, this is the good one.
• 1:43:29
  This is Braun. He's my my 21 pound former St.
• 1:43:33
  Kitty. He is fat.
• 1:43:37
  He's a thick boy. Oats got fat.
• 1:43:40
  Yeah, look at this chunky monkey.
• 1:43:42
  You can't really tell from the picture I'm sure, but.
• 1:43:45
  But he got he got fat. Oats is like I'm home.
• 1:43:50
  I'm putting on some weight now. Never read anywhere again.
• 1:43:53
  He didn't think he's fat compared to what he was.
• 1:43:56
  I don't know if this helps like give an idea like I'm 6 foot 3
• 1:44:00
  and about 190 lbs. That is a big cat.
• 1:44:02
  That's. How big he is?
• 1:44:05
  That's that's a big kid. He You'd think that'd be the one
• 1:44:09
  that was under. The.
• 1:44:10
  Near pillows and. Stuff.
• 1:44:12
  No, that's Peach. That's my, that's my torti.
• 1:44:14
  No, my tuxedo boy here, he just likes to bully everybody for his
• 1:44:17
  food. Also off topic, but on topic,
• 1:44:22
  Joy, I looked up the Officer Tatum person and I would have
• 1:44:26
  commend you at least for your like wide diverse you go from
• 1:44:31
  Tony. Those are two different.
• 1:44:32
  Tony, Zia and all. On the opposite end of the.
• 1:44:37
  Spectrum. Completely different.
• 1:44:39
  No, I mean, like, I've been there.
• 1:44:41
  I feel you, you know? OK, well, is there anything else
• 1:44:48
  that you would like us to know about baptizing the dead or the
• 1:44:53
  Mormon practice of all these secret culty things before we
• 1:44:59
  go? There's some really good.
• 1:45:03
  There's some really good creators out there like Alyssa
• 1:45:07
  Grenfeld and she has been through the temple and she talks
• 1:45:11
  about it a lot and she'll actually show you the temple
• 1:45:13
  garments and she'll show you like some of the some of the
• 1:45:18
  rituals that go on in the temple.
• 1:45:20
  It's really interesting. She knows way more about it than
• 1:45:22
  I do. Yeah, I watched, I've been
• 1:45:25
  watching some of her videos. I actually subscribed to her
• 1:45:28
  yesterday and the fact that she was showing like, you know, you
• 1:45:32
  got a hold one. Hold yeah.
• 1:45:36
  And put your elbow on somebody's shoulder.
• 1:45:39
  And it's like, what? I mean, that is a cold that's
• 1:45:42
  like. Oh my gosh, Amber, when you get
• 1:45:46
  married in the temple, so part of the part of the ceremony is
• 1:45:50
  anointing your loins. In the 90s, it used to be that
• 1:45:54
  you were like a sheet over the top of you and they touched your
• 1:45:58
  bare skin right in your bikini area next to your loins.
• 1:46:02
  The priest. Yeah, the dude.
• 1:46:05
  With oil or just. With oil.
• 1:46:08
  That's so weird. So like, they like, got on white
• 1:46:11
  pants and they like dressed in the ring.
• 1:46:13
  He had oil on his finger. Like you're wearing a sheet
• 1:46:15
  thing that's open on both sides and like nothing underneath and
• 1:46:21
  he's like touching your. Oh hell.
• 1:46:24
  No, the bikini area. See.
• 1:46:25
  That's why. I didn't.
• 1:46:26
  Want to go through? I'm like, no, there's some weird
• 1:46:28
  freaking stuff going on and it's weird underwear.
• 1:46:31
  So he was Diddy before Diddy became cool.
• 1:46:34
  Yeah. Yeah, what I'm hearing.
• 1:46:36
  OK. Olive oil, Baby oil.
• 1:46:37
  I've got a. Picture of Diddy on the baby oil
• 1:46:42
  that I gave to my friend for his baby.
• 1:46:45
  Yeah. Holy crap, I didn't know that.
• 1:46:49
  Stephanie. That's crazy.
• 1:46:50
  Yeah. I had some really, really
• 1:46:52
  creepy, just weird rituals. Just weird rituals.
• 1:46:58
  There is no way I would ever be a part of something like that
• 1:47:01
  When? You say that until you're raised
• 1:47:03
  in a certain religion or you know you believe something, and
• 1:47:06
  sometimes it's hard to get out of that.
• 1:47:07
  Maybe, but I'm the type of person that's always asking
• 1:47:09
  questions and I'll be like, why? Well, it's.
• 1:47:13
  Wild to be so aware of your, you know, the Christian problems,
• 1:47:18
  some of them you went on missions trips and you supported
• 1:47:21
  a lot of people. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 1:47:24
  I, I am learning definitely that there is a problem within the
• 1:47:28
  Christian community as well. I mean, I knew that, you know,
• 1:47:32
  but I didn't. You're more aware of the
• 1:47:34
  specifics of it. You knew you knew about certain
• 1:47:37
  things like some of the, you know, abuse and some of the
• 1:47:40
  weird people and you know, just you having your own experiences
• 1:47:44
  is in that experiences that as well, like.
• 1:47:48
  I mean, hello, Mary Duggar was my Sunday school teacher for six
• 1:47:52
  years, so. And, and Steph, you might, you
• 1:47:57
  might be able to detest this just from a personal experience.
• 1:47:59
  But like, I'm assuming for a lot of these girls, if there is or
• 1:48:02
  if there ever is that question or that reservation of like this
• 1:48:06
  is really weird that this dude's trying to ditty me right now,
• 1:48:09
  even though it's you just pushed for religion.
• 1:48:12
  You pushed to accept it. And well, even if like like you
• 1:48:16
  are, how much of that also included the fact of you
• 1:48:19
  mentioned how a lot of times you'll be shunned from the
• 1:48:21
  church or you could even be shunned from family members.
• 1:48:24
  Like, you know, for you, did you ever feel that sense of like, I
• 1:48:27
  might be completely alone because I'm going to potentially
• 1:48:29
  shut off everybody in my family, all the friends that you're
• 1:48:32
  relate like you're raised with and whatnot.
• 1:48:34
  So I mean, that's, that's a hard step and that's a hard thing for
• 1:48:37
  someone to ever want to be like, I know this is going to happen.
• 1:48:40
  I lost my full support system when I left the church.
• 1:48:42
  I lost my friends that I thought were really good friends.
• 1:48:46
  I lost my family. My sister would no longer let me
• 1:48:49
  visit my nieces and nephews because I wasn't Mormon anymore
• 1:48:54
  like I, I did. I lost my family, I lost my
• 1:48:57
  friends, I lost my community, everything.
• 1:49:00
  So that's why people stay and that's why they do the weird
• 1:49:03
  stuff and that's why they don't question it too deeply, because
• 1:49:05
  if they do, then their shops going to break and then they're
• 1:49:08
  going to lose everything. Yeah, their whole world view
• 1:49:12
  comes crashing down. And it's really painful when you
• 1:49:16
  learn that everything that you've been taught in your
• 1:49:18
  entire life is a lie it. Sucks.
• 1:49:23
  Yeah, no, I, I. Deconstruction on that level is
• 1:49:26
  like, totally different than just deconstructing regular
• 1:49:29
  Christianity. Yeah, 'cause there's so much
• 1:49:34
  more. I mean, for, for the most part,
• 1:49:36
  Christianity is just like, you know, a personal relationship.
• 1:49:41
  You know, it's not in your. In your branch of Christianity.
• 1:49:44
  In my branches of Christianity, it's a personal relationship.
• 1:49:48
  You don't involve all these other people.
• 1:49:51
  It's just you and God you know so.
• 1:49:54
  Yeah, it's, it's very involved, Very, very involved.
• 1:49:59
  It's, it's sad, but the next time I have somebody come to my
• 1:50:03
  door, I'm actually going to talk to them about this, you know?
• 1:50:06
  Do it. Do it ask.
• 1:50:08
  Them ask them questions, ask them if they know about the the
• 1:50:12
  church history stuff, you know. Yeah, and I've always avoided it
• 1:50:17
  because I didn't want. To make those little boys
• 1:50:20
  question things. They're 18 and 19 years old.
• 1:50:22
  They're still children. They need to learn to question.
• 1:50:26
  Yeah, no. And I'm definitely going to do
• 1:50:28
  that now. But for the longest time, even
• 1:50:30
  when we were in TJ Maxx the other day and I was approached,
• 1:50:33
  I. Don't remember if that was a
• 1:50:34
  Mormon or a Jehovah's Witness but I feel personally victimized
• 1:50:37
  because I have like well you can't really tell even that much
• 1:50:41
  on the screen but I have like 3 nose piercings, I have tattoos
• 1:50:45
  and I don't always wear a bra and people always come up to me
• 1:50:48
  like we were at TJ. Madison.
• 1:50:50
  Girls, they come up and then something that really like, it
• 1:50:54
  actually kind of like hurt me a little bit.
• 1:50:56
  So when we are in Orlando, I love to meet new people.
• 1:51:00
  I don't mind going to like a bar or a club or doing something on
• 1:51:03
  my own and just meeting people. But when I was in Orlando at a
• 1:51:07
  Universal, nobody was like that. Nobody really wanted to talk to
• 1:51:10
  me. So I was like, OK, whatever.
• 1:51:11
  So I just kind of do my own thing.
• 1:51:13
  So these three girls came up and they asked me to take a picture
• 1:51:16
  of them. And they asked, you know,
• 1:51:19
  started talking to me and we're trying to engage.
• 1:51:20
  It was like, oh, are these people that I'm going to be, you
• 1:51:22
  know, friends with for the night and we can go, like, drink and
• 1:51:24
  do something silly. Anyway, they start being like,
• 1:51:27
  oh, have you ever heard of like, the Church of Latter Day Saints?
• 1:51:31
  Or maybe it was. Maybe it was.
• 1:51:33
  I don't. Know, I don't even remember
• 1:51:35
  which one it was, but it was like oh, I was like, OK.
• 1:51:38
  And I was like, well my dad's a preacher.
• 1:51:39
  They always have a follow up question and they're like Oh
• 1:51:42
  well So what kind of scripture really means something to you?
• 1:51:45
  And I was like, my dad had something to do with me or
• 1:51:49
  whatever conversation. I didn't say all that, but I was
• 1:51:52
  like, damn, it really like kind of sunk in my spirit.
• 1:51:55
  I was like, man, you profiled me as a Sinner.
• 1:51:57
  And I was like, I thought we were just going to like.
• 1:52:00
  Bye buddies. I thought we were going to be
• 1:52:02
  sinners together, man. Yeah, I know.
• 1:52:05
  We're never going to go have fun.
• 1:52:07
  Yeah. It is, it is weird 'cause like
• 1:52:10
  again, it's one of the few times I'll say like as a dude, it's
• 1:52:12
  really nice because I have RBF and again, being 6 foot three,
• 1:52:16
  like I, I don't get approached a whole lot as far as religious
• 1:52:19
  questions. I have no idea why.
• 1:52:21
  I feel like I'm a very open book when it comes to that.
• 1:52:25
  But like I watched mom go through it with like Southern
• 1:52:27
  Baptist, 'cause they would, like they would, they would shit on
• 1:52:30
  her all the time. Like you'll never catch me
• 1:52:32
  wearing pants. And mom used to work on the
• 1:52:34
  Sheriff's Department, so she had uniform pants.
• 1:52:36
  It's like she can't wear skirt for the love of all things holy,
• 1:52:40
  but it's like I'm just watching it from the outside as a guy and
• 1:52:43
  I'm like y'all really pissed me off.
• 1:52:44
  Like just have a conversation with me.
• 1:52:46
  Just talk to me. Just let me do it.
• 1:52:47
  Let me have the conversation. Yeah, no, it's, it's so sad how
• 1:52:54
  religious communities treat the lesser than or, and in religious
• 1:53:03
  communities, the women are usually considered lesser than,
• 1:53:06
  you know, and it's just, it's so sad because, you know, the whole
• 1:53:11
  point of Jesus's message. And I'm hoping and assuming that
• 1:53:17
  that's what they actually care about, but I, I don't think so.
• 1:53:20
  Is, is that to love one another? Just love one another?
• 1:53:27
  And it's just, it's nothing like that and it's just so sad and
• 1:53:34
  disappointing. Love one another until you're
• 1:53:36
  two men or two women that are romantically in love and then in
• 1:53:39
  which case, fire and brimstone. Yeah, right.
• 1:53:43
  Yeah. I don't even know that Jesus
• 1:53:45
  even said anything about that. Jesus.
• 1:53:47
  Jesus did not say anything about that.
• 1:53:49
  Lots of other people that could have had their own agenda said
• 1:53:51
  stuff. And then also on top of that, I
• 1:53:54
  don't remember what it was, but one of the big verses it's used
• 1:53:58
  against homosexuality in the Bible.
• 1:53:59
  Like later on in that like chapter or something.
• 1:54:02
  It has like some other, I heard about this the other day, but it
• 1:54:05
  was like some crazy outlandish like rule that nobody follows or
• 1:54:08
  talks about. So it's like, why does that one
• 1:54:11
  thing matter but this other thing doesn't matter?
• 1:54:12
  I think God just says love each other and leave the judging up
• 1:54:17
  to him. It ain't none of your damn
• 1:54:18
  business. Yeah, Leviticus it is.
• 1:54:20
  And Leviticus. Leviticus.
• 1:54:21
  Yeah, I'll do my own research. I actually have a book upstairs
• 1:54:25
  that I've not been reading because I'm a lazy bitch and I'm
• 1:54:29
  useless. But it's like about like, say
• 1:54:31
  that it's about like a queer. It's about like, Christianity's
• 1:54:37
  relationship with like, homosexuality and how they've
• 1:54:40
  like, made them like a huge enemy when it was really just
• 1:54:44
  like a little footnote, if even that, in the whole grand scheme
• 1:54:48
  of things. And I don't know I I I need to
• 1:54:50
  finish reading. It well the fact that people are
• 1:54:52
  making homosexuality worse than pedophilia just blows my mind.
• 1:54:58
  And the fact that I'm even saying the words homosexuality,
• 1:55:01
  I hate that, but. But.
• 1:55:04
  It's just, it blows. My mind right though, I mean,
• 1:55:08
  yeah, I mean, there's a lot of like, as staff will totally
• 1:55:14
  attest to how many different predatory relationships were
• 1:55:18
  totally covered up and all that sort of thing.
• 1:55:20
  But the second that you're out and proud about the person that
• 1:55:23
  you are, it is a problem. Yep.
• 1:55:28
  Yeah, and I mean, I don't. Know they'll cover up for child
• 1:55:31
  predators, but they will kick out the LGBTQ people.
• 1:55:36
  Yeah, no, All I know is yeah. All I know is, as Jesus said,
• 1:55:40
  it'd be better for somebody to tie a millstone around their
• 1:55:43
  neck and throw them in the sea than to hurt a little child.
• 1:55:46
  So. And.
• 1:55:48
  There's a. Lot to have.
• 1:55:49
  Then churches need to stop letting the predators back in
• 1:55:52
  the building. Like once they've offended, they
• 1:55:55
  don't get to come back in that building.
• 1:55:57
  Yeah, they. Can have their own churches if
• 1:55:59
  they must like give them their own.
• 1:56:01
  Yeah, no forgiveness. Forgiveness is gods.
• 1:56:08
  Yeah, That's that's. Yeah, that's that decision.
• 1:56:10
  Not, yeah, not. Yeah, and, and anybody who is
• 1:56:15
  hurting a child or just anybody in general should never be in
• 1:56:19
  fellowship with other people, so.
• 1:56:21
  And you know, it's even thought that one of the translations
• 1:56:24
  that says man should not lay with man, it initially said man
• 1:56:27
  should not lay with a boy, little boy.
• 1:56:29
  Yeah, I don't know about all that, but at the end of the day,
• 1:56:34
  just the fact that people are dismissing pedophilia, but then
• 1:56:38
  going straight to that type of thin, you know, and making it
• 1:56:44
  much bigger than hurting children and.
• 1:56:48
  Pedos barely get any time. Josh Duggar.
• 1:56:50
  He got 12. Years.
• 1:56:52
  And he had, like, prior instances, they just weren't
• 1:56:55
  properly reported. And because, you know, it
• 1:56:57
  involved minors, it was a complicated situation.
• 1:57:00
  Jared Fogle gets out in I think 2030 or 2032.
• 1:57:06
  Unfortunately, that's here in my state.
• 1:57:09
  Oh, geez, In your state. I will tell you about this
• 1:57:11
  later. I have an idea.
• 1:57:13
  We need to talk about it again. We talked about it before.
• 1:57:16
  But anyway, yeah, no, it's like absolutely insane.
• 1:57:18
  Like the amount of time that people get for some of this
• 1:57:21
  stuff and then, you know, God forbid that you do drugs or
• 1:57:25
  something, which drugs aren't great.
• 1:57:26
  I'm not, you know, advocating for them.
• 1:57:28
  But you should not get more time for that then you know.
• 1:57:33
  What? I agree, go ahead.
• 1:57:35
  Oh, sorry, sorry. The other bad part is so even if
• 1:57:38
  they do get like a longer sentence, they're typically
• 1:57:41
  very, very protected. Not just and not even just like
• 1:57:46
  being segregated, but like one instance that mom had when she
• 1:57:51
  was working in the in the jail as a deputy, she had this guy
• 1:57:56
  because again, most inmates do not deal with other pedophiles
• 1:58:00
  like pedophiles and pedophiles will stay together.
• 1:58:02
  But if you're a non pedophile and you are that, that's an
• 1:58:05
  absolute no. This guy throws his mattress
• 1:58:08
  out, throws all of this guy's stuff out.
• 1:58:10
  Mom's like, what in the world are you doing?
• 1:58:12
  He's like getting him out of my cell.
• 1:58:13
  Don't want him, don't want him. But wouldn't he say why he
• 1:58:15
  wanted him out of his cell? So mom's like, I'm going to
• 1:58:17
  leave and in 10 minutes I want this clean back up.
• 1:58:21
  So they're. Protected.
• 1:58:22
  They're a protective status in prison.
• 1:58:25
  Correct. And for her, she come back again
• 1:58:28
  and he had thrown everything out and they of course had to break
• 1:58:31
  it up. And he's like, if you put him
• 1:58:32
  back in here, I'm going to kill him.
• 1:58:34
  And of course her, she's like, well, why are you wanting to
• 1:58:37
  kill him? Like what did he do?
• 1:58:38
  And apparently he had sexually assaulted a baby, an actual
• 1:58:42
  infant. And for mom, even though she's
• 1:58:46
  like, she's all for inmate justice, she's like, once I
• 1:58:49
  heard that they were going to kill him, I had to take him and
• 1:58:52
  put him in protective custody because if she didn't and
• 1:58:55
  something happened, she would also be gain charges and also be
• 1:58:59
  put in jail for simply for essentially being an accomplice
• 1:59:03
  for knowing that a murder was going to take place and not
• 1:59:05
  doing what she could prevent it. And for her, she's like, if it
• 1:59:08
  wasn't for the fact that I had you 2 to come home to my two
• 1:59:11
  boys, she goes, I probably wouldn't let him.
• 1:59:14
  Oh yeah, there. Really isn't prison justice for
• 1:59:16
  them? No, it's very, very rare.
• 1:59:19
  Sentences is it. That's it.
• 1:59:22
  Yeah. And then like, for instance, at
• 1:59:24
  least from what I've heard, cuz who knows what's really true,
• 1:59:26
  but like Jared Fogle apparently is kind of like almost like a
• 1:59:29
  king of the pedos and like his own little.
• 1:59:33
  Yeah, that's what I'm saying. We need to.
• 1:59:36
  Yeah. Apparently like he has a lot of
• 1:59:38
  close friends there and because he's, you know, famous and what
• 1:59:41
  not, people kind of do his bidding.
• 1:59:42
  And with that whole, a lot of people don't know that that had
• 1:59:45
  to do with like, it wasn't just not that this diminishes it, but
• 1:59:50
  it wasn't just like images or videos.
• 1:59:53
  It was him actively doing things, starting a fraud charity
• 1:59:57
  to put himself in the presence of other children.
• 2:00:00
  The person that ran that children or ran that charity,
• 2:00:04
  him and his wife were doing things to his stepdaughters,
• 2:00:08
  recording them. It involved animals.
• 2:00:10
  I mean, this stuff like like crazy, crazy, crazy.
• 2:00:14
  And again, 2032, I think the other guy has more time.
• 2:00:18
  But I'm sure he'll still be out and living one of these days,
• 2:00:22
  just doing his own thing. Don't.
• 2:00:25
  Accept him back in the church. That's all I got to say.
• 2:00:28
  I I totally. No, I mean, yeah.
• 2:00:32
  You guys are pretty good about not letting things like that go
• 2:00:36
  on. Oh no.
• 2:00:37
  If my husband and I catch wind of anything like that, we're
• 2:00:40
  immediately in leadership's. But I remember something
• 2:00:43
  happened to me when I was a kid and it was with other kids, so
• 2:00:45
  it wasn't like something that happened like directly or
• 2:00:48
  whatever. It was different.
• 2:00:49
  Yeah, you guys were super. You guys were super
• 2:00:53
  accommodating and tried to, you know, help out and so did the
• 2:00:56
  preacher of that particular. Church.
• 2:00:58
  But the youth minister or no, it wasn't youth minister, but it
• 2:01:00
  was like the children's minister who ended up having his own sex
• 2:01:03
  scandal a few years later. He like, you know, put me down.
• 2:01:06
  He's like, oh, I was trying to warn the kids about things that
• 2:01:10
  these other kids were doing and you know, oh, if you hang out
• 2:01:13
  with them, this might happen or whatever.
• 2:01:14
  And I got in trouble. I was the person who got in
• 2:01:16
  trouble and stuff like that. And they just allowed a lot of
• 2:01:19
  BS to go on, even more than I've heard since I've gotten older.
• 2:01:22
  And it's like, I don't know. Yeah, but we definitely.
• 2:01:28
  We all. Protected me.
• 2:01:29
  Yeah, we definitely let people know what was going on, and
• 2:01:34
  we're the type of people that if we ever get any hint of somebody
• 2:01:37
  hurting a child in any way, shape or form, or even being
• 2:01:39
  weird to a child, you need to get out the door because it
• 2:01:43
  ain't happening. That's good.
• 2:01:45
  There's there's a lady on TikTok that's calling all the churches
• 2:01:48
  and she's pretending to be the wife of a elder abuser and all
• 2:01:52
  these churches are saying, oh, you're so welcome.
• 2:01:54
  Don't even worry about telling anyone.
• 2:01:56
  Just just come on in. Just come on in, you know?
• 2:02:01
  Seriously. Yes, I'll send you some of the
• 2:02:03
  videos. She's got a ton of them.
• 2:02:05
  Like she's calling a whole bunch of churches and they're all,
• 2:02:09
  they're all more than willing and happy to take a registered
• 2:02:13
  SO who has victims and let them just come to church.
• 2:02:19
  Wow, is it not the same lady who's asked about baby formula?
• 2:02:22
  Did you see those videos? The same lady.
• 2:02:24
  Oh, OK. And you know, a lot of Muslim
• 2:02:27
  temples were accommodating. I think there was another
• 2:02:30
  religion that was accommodating. And then pretty much all of the
• 2:02:32
  Christians and Mormons and all that stuff were just like, Nope,
• 2:02:35
  sorry you were tithing. I told, I told the secretary of
• 2:02:38
  our church, I said if you ever get a call like that, you call
• 2:02:41
  me immediately and I will do whatever needs to be done.
• 2:02:44
  And she's like, OK, I. Absolutely.
• 2:02:48
  Because, you know, and I would always do that, but I knew that
• 2:02:53
  that was happening. And so I just wanted her to be
• 2:02:55
  aware, you know, hey, this might be happening.
• 2:02:58
  I will definitely foot the bill for anything.
• 2:03:00
  Well, within reason, you know, And yeah, somebody.
• 2:03:04
  Needs diapers or formula. Oh yeah, definitely.
• 2:03:07
  You know, that's that's what we're here for is to help our.
• 2:03:12
  Bank, but most churches aren't. Most churches are businesses.
• 2:03:17
  And they are great. As such.
• 2:03:19
  They say they. Yeah, I mean they.
• 2:03:21
  Say they say the best way to make money is start a religion.
• 2:03:24
  Yes. Kris Jenner.
• 2:03:27
  Yeah. So you've got that you've got
• 2:03:31
  what Jedi ISM like they you know like they literally just you
• 2:03:35
  know, targeted the whole Star Wars thing.
• 2:03:37
  I. Know talk shit about
• 2:03:39
  Pastafarianism. I say the hey, I I I just want
• 2:03:43
  to know what it feels like to be touched by the flying noodly
• 2:03:45
  appendage. Like that's what I want I.
• 2:03:47
  Do you want to be? Touched with a wet noodle.
• 2:03:50
  I have wet. Noodly appendage.
• 2:03:52
  We don't know if it's an actual noodle or not.
• 2:03:54
  It's just wet and it's noodly. I have a teacher that has a
• 2:03:58
  picture, picture of it's like, yeah, I'm touching God, but it's
• 2:04:02
  the Flying Spaghetti Monster. It's touched by his newly
• 2:04:04
  appended. I have the book, I have all
• 2:04:08
  kinds of stuff. I'm actually doing a deep dive
• 2:04:10
  on it right now. I just haven't finished putting
• 2:04:12
  it together. But when I do, it'll be on a
• 2:04:14
  different channel. But.
• 2:04:15
  But. It's trust me, that's like a
• 2:04:18
  thing. I actually was going to get
• 2:04:20
  ordained in the Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
• 2:04:23
  It's only $50. Thought about that.
• 2:04:25
  I just haven't done it yet because I don't know.
• 2:04:27
  I have to do it for the video. Do it and then you could do
• 2:04:29
  weddings. Yeah, you do weddings.
• 2:04:32
  Of course, I don't really have friends that would ask.
• 2:04:36
  And then you can. No, you can find people who
• 2:04:38
  would want you to do your wedding.
• 2:04:39
  And then you can legally have a colander on your head when you
• 2:04:42
  go and get your license, your license photo.
• 2:04:45
  I That's why she's doing it. When I first started doing this
• 2:04:51
  deep dive, I was supposed to renew my driver's license.
• 2:04:54
  And I had thought about it. It trust me.
• 2:04:56
  This is like a whole thing you don't even understand.
• 2:04:58
  You don't even understand how deep it goes with me, but yeah.
• 2:05:02
  It's going to be interesting. I've listened to that book like
• 2:05:05
  8 times. OK, I'm yeah.
• 2:05:07
  The guy who wrote it lives in Kansas City, or at least he did.
• 2:05:10
  He was out of Kansas City. Yeah, because the whole thing
• 2:05:12
  was made because in Kansas, I think it's Kansas City, KS, I
• 2:05:16
  don't think it's Kansas City, MO.
• 2:05:17
  But anyway, and Kansas they were like trying to do something
• 2:05:20
  where they were supposed to make like teaching creationism as a
• 2:05:24
  science in science class. And so yeah, they were saying
• 2:05:28
  like, oh, I think it was like in 2005 or 2006.
• 2:05:31
  And you know, they were just trying to push to, you know,
• 2:05:34
  make creationism equal to, you know, evolution or whatever kind
• 2:05:37
  of, you know, science based teachings.
• 2:05:39
  They were there, you know, talking or teaching or whatever.
• 2:05:42
  So anyway, so, you know, the wording of the bill was like,
• 2:05:46
  oh, you know, well, we just have to provide equal time to, you
• 2:05:50
  know, both of the theories. And so this guy, he was like,
• 2:05:53
  well, if you have to provide equal time to that theory and
• 2:05:56
  that theory, you should also provide equal time for the
• 2:05:59
  Church of the Flying Spaghetti Monster.
• 2:06:01
  And so he just completely came up with it just as a way to
• 2:06:04
  spite that whole system. It's, it's a whole thing.
• 2:06:07
  I really need to. Finish my deep because it's it's
• 2:06:09
  so cool. They did similar with the the
• 2:06:12
  Church of Satan, which is hilarious because that specific
• 2:06:15
  Church of Satan doesn't believe that Satan exists.
• 2:06:18
  And most don't. Yeah.
• 2:06:20
  Most Tennessee not sure where it was but they wanted a bapham us
• 2:06:25
  to act to and I thought it was funny.
• 2:06:29
  Yeah, 'cause I, I think I remember seeing something, it
• 2:06:31
  was like down in Tennessee. They were like a huge a part of
• 2:06:33
  it. They were like, no, they're
• 2:06:34
  like, you got to teach about us too.
• 2:06:36
  Like we're just as equally important.
• 2:06:37
  And I'm like, oh, you're not wrong.
• 2:06:39
  Like it is. They'd also keep we're.
• 2:06:42
  Going to who? Include everything.
• 2:06:48
  No, seriously, I need to. I think I need oh, me too.
• 2:06:53
  I think I need to reach out to the guy that wrote that.
• 2:06:55
  I forgot his name, I knew it at one point, but I think I need to
• 2:06:58
  reach out to him. Although a huge controversial
• 2:07:00
  thing, list of the church, the Flying Spaghetti Monster, a huge
• 2:07:03
  a huge part of that religion per SE is about little people.
• 2:07:08
  But he uses the M word and I mean, it was 2005, so it's one
• 2:07:12
  of those things anyway. But I found via Instagram Reel
• 2:07:17
  this micro wrestling league that we're selling these M word
• 2:07:24
  passes. And so.
• 2:07:27
  I'm not going to say the word MMM, not anyway M I'm not going
• 2:07:33
  to say the word, but I bought it as like a bit and I also donated
• 2:07:37
  extra to their micro wrestling league.
• 2:07:40
  I think that was down in Tennessee.
• 2:07:42
  It's. Hilarious.
• 2:07:43
  But anyway, so I. Have their.
• 2:07:44
  Hey, little people need to wrestle too.
• 2:07:46
  They do so. So I did find out and I don't
• 2:07:49
  think it's all of them, but there is a specific one that if
• 2:07:52
  you pay, I think if you pay them like 200 bucks, you can be a
• 2:07:56
  guest referee in one of the micro wrestling matches.
• 2:08:00
  And I was like, I would absolutely do that
• 2:08:04
  wholeheartedly just to be like, yes, I was a referee for Micro
• 2:08:09
  Wrestling. OK, we're gonna Maybe we should
• 2:08:12
  all do that. Oh well, we should all be AI
• 2:08:18
  viewers. Stream boot.
• 2:08:20
  Oh yeah, we get. That in Texas.
• 2:08:24
  Tennessee, Tennessee, I have AI have a ticket for their show.
• 2:08:29
  I got a free ticket with it too, but I mean, obviously I didn't
• 2:08:32
  get to go, but I'll, I'll, I'll find it and tell you exactly
• 2:08:35
  where it was. But yeah, no, they seem cool as
• 2:08:37
  hell. I gave the extra donation too,
• 2:08:39
  just for you know, whatever it was just to raise money, raise
• 2:08:43
  money for it. I've never been to a micro
• 2:08:46
  wrestling show, but I absolutely would.
• 2:08:47
  They had a micro wrestling show in town somewhat recently and
• 2:08:50
  they also had a micro strip club thing going on.
• 2:08:57
  I thought that would have been. Hoot.
• 2:09:00
  Sure. To say I've never been to a full
• 2:09:03
  size 1 much. Better I know me.
• 2:09:05
  Either time. For everything.
• 2:09:07
  The only time I ever went to one, it was a horrible, horrible
• 2:09:11
  experience. I'd rather watch.
• 2:09:13
  I almost got recruited. This is going to become weird,
• 2:09:17
  but I'd rather watch women strip than men strip because I'd just
• 2:09:21
  be so embarrassed to watch a man do that in front of me.
• 2:09:24
  I'd be like laughing the whole time.
• 2:09:28
  As a dude, like the most unsexy thing that has ever been
• 2:09:32
  created, no matter what your religion is, is a Wiener.
• 2:09:35
  Like there's nothing you can make sexy about this little
• 2:09:38
  veiny throbbing meat stick that you may or may not have.
• 2:09:42
  Like there's nothing sexy about that.
• 2:09:45
  So. Yeah, whatever.
• 2:09:47
  I'm like, no, there's nothing. There's nothing.
• 2:09:51
  You know you embarrassed. To.
• 2:09:52
  Laura No. I'm not there.
• 2:09:54
  That's shoot. I can tell you all about baby
• 2:09:57
  three. Oh my God, no.
• 2:10:00
  Please. Don't.
• 2:10:01
  No, don't, because you'll embarrass me.
• 2:10:05
  On that note, I guess we're getting we're venturing into
• 2:10:08
  crazy town. Thank you, Steph, for being on
• 2:10:14
  here with us and talking about this.
• 2:10:16
  I know we kind of jumped around and went on rabbit trails, but I
• 2:10:22
  do thank you for being able to come on here and just educate us
• 2:10:26
  on thanks. For having me.
• 2:10:28
  I hope it was. I hope it.
• 2:10:29
  Was interesting at least. Oh, I think it would.
• 2:10:33
  I do have a final thought on that, and I'm sure it's
• 2:10:35
  something we can all agree with. There's just something so
• 2:10:38
  disrespectful to a person's religion or their lack of to be
• 2:10:43
  like, you know what? I don't care if you were Jewish
• 2:10:45
  or Muslim or Christian, now you're Mormon.
• 2:10:49
  So I think baptize you. Yeah.
• 2:10:52
  It's like just respect whatever they chose their wherever
• 2:10:56
  they're at now or nowhere depending on what you believe.
• 2:10:59
  So if someone comes and baptizes me after I die, I will haunt
• 2:11:02
  them for eternity and it won't be the good haunting.
• 2:11:05
  OK, no, I've heard, I've heard someone.
• 2:11:09
  Say that sorry. Amber.
• 2:11:11
  I'm going. To baptize you in Pastafarianism
• 2:11:14
  and you're going to swim around in pasta sauce for the rest of
• 2:11:17
  eternity. Hey, if you do, I want the good
• 2:11:20
  olive oil. I don't want none of that.
• 2:11:21
  I don't want none of the bad one.
• 2:11:22
  I want good olive oil. I'll make.
• 2:11:24
  Sure that they are OK? Shit.
• 2:11:27
  I'll make pony gets touched by someone's newly appendage.
• 2:11:33
  OK, well, on that note, thank you, Steph, and thank you, Tony,
• 2:11:37
  and thank you to everybody who came in here and hung out with
• 2:11:42
  us. And I hope that everybody has a
• 2:11:46
  very blessed evening and that you go out and do something good
• 2:11:49
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• 2:11:51
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• 2:11:53
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