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ITB: How Do Fred Johnson, Eli Moore Fit New Eagles Offensive Scheme? · Inside the Birds: A Philadelphia Eagles Podcast

• 0:09
  Speaker 1: Inside the Birds is back. What's going on. Everybody is
• 0:15
  Speaker 1: Jeff Mosher, it's Adam Kaplan, it's inside the Birds, and
• 0:18
  Speaker 1: the Eagles continue Adam to add to the roster in
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  Speaker 1: the way that is very predictable. One year signings veterans,
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  Speaker 1: guys who aren't going to hurt them too much in
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  Speaker 1: the compic formula, but guys who are going to help
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  Speaker 1: them in the depth area. As we think as the
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  Speaker 1: Eagles bring in or bring back I should say Fred Johnson,
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  Speaker 1: the offensive tackle who they who's been with them for
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  Speaker 1: two years. Now, we'll get into the interesting thing on
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  Speaker 1: that you've heard me talking about body type. So we'll
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  Speaker 1: have that discussion there with offensive linemen. And then they
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  Speaker 1: also sign wide receiver Elijah Moore, interesting guy to add
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  Speaker 1: to the group. There after they've also signed Marquise Brown,
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  Speaker 1: and so you look at the wide receiver pick sure,
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  Speaker 1: and you try to figure out where all the pieces are.
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  Speaker 2: Going to go.
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  Speaker 1: But these are depth signings, and we we've talked about
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  Speaker 1: how much they needed depth at him.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, so they didn't have a swing tackle.
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  Speaker 3: Now they have one of Fred Johnson, who filled in
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  Speaker 3: for Lane Johnson obviously last year, did a good job
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  Speaker 3: he can play right or left tackle. That solves that issue.
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  Speaker 3: And they'll see about how Miles hitting could contribute in
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  Speaker 3: the off season. Now he's got a full off season.
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  Speaker 3: He wasn't ready last season. Let's let's see what happens.
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  Speaker 3: And then you got Cam Williams who had some interesting
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  Speaker 3: tape against Washington. They'll let him to develop that. It
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  Speaker 3: helps them give these guys time. That's the key about
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  Speaker 3: bringing back Fred Johnson. Now I know we also now
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  Speaker 3: get an answer whether Chris Cooper fit thinks he could
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  Speaker 3: they could fit, like, whether could Fred Johnson could fit
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  Speaker 3: in the scheme because it's going to change and body
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  Speaker 3: types as you mentioned. Now we got our answer. We
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  Speaker 3: know that they think Fredd Johnson could fit. That's actually
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  Speaker 3: a big that's a big plus.
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  Speaker 1: Well, can I can I just throw in We think
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  Speaker 1: they they're there's just not a lot of great offensive tackles.
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  Speaker 1: We went through this list recently. You know there's a
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  Speaker 1: justin school who played for the Vikings last year, so
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  Speaker 1: he knows Cooper's system right. And there's a couple other guys.
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  Speaker 1: But Fred Johnson's got some decent talent. They've they've been
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  Speaker 1: able to win games. I mean I guess as we
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  Speaker 1: sit here today, he is the swing tackle and they
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  Speaker 1: have not upgraded over him. But I do do have
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  Speaker 1: questions on whether or not what his strengths are are
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  Speaker 1: going to be good in this offensive scheme. Assuming again,
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  Speaker 1: you know, they can always change based on their personnel.
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  Speaker 1: But if they want to do some outside's own stuff,
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  Speaker 1: he's not the guy that you would envision as being
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  Speaker 1: the best for that.
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  Speaker 2: Well Justin's school.
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  Speaker 3: By the way, he started his career with the Niners. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: he's been in the West Coast system, and then he
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  Speaker 3: was with the Vikings last last season.
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  Speaker 1: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: So that's on your point. I get that, But they're
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  Speaker 3: not bringing back Fred Johnson lest the offensive line coach
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  Speaker 3: thinks he could he'll fit now, is Fred Johnson?
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  Speaker 2: You're you're You're not truly gonna.
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  Speaker 3: Know until he gets out there mm hmm in OTAs
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  Speaker 3: and in training camp in the preseason.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but that that's something that they just have to get.
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  Speaker 1: Through, right, Like they might go ahead, good, I'm.
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  Speaker 3: Just saying, clearly, the offensive line coach a new one,
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  Speaker 3: Chris Cooper thinks he can do it, or they wouldn't
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  Speaker 3: do this.
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  Speaker 1: Sure, sure, uh And by the way, he was with
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  Speaker 1: Jacksonville last year, uh in training camp, so that that
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  Speaker 1: that Liam Cohen offense is an offshoot of the offense.
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  Speaker 1: But they didn't think he was good enough to be
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  Speaker 1: on the team. He would have been a backup, and
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  Speaker 1: then they traded him to the Eagles. It's fine. So yeah, again,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sure Chris Cooper's like, yeah, I'll take guys who
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  Speaker 1: can play because they in this league. I mean, he
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  Speaker 1: just came from Minnesota. He just he found out what
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  Speaker 1: it's like when you don't even have guys that can
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  Speaker 1: that can start, let alone play. But I guess this
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  Speaker 1: has been what one situation we'll look for where we'll
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  Speaker 1: see how it goes with him in OTAs and training
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  Speaker 1: camp and may be a thing where come mid camp,
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  Speaker 1: he and Howie and the offensive staff meet and said,
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  Speaker 1: we need to get guys that really fit what we
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  Speaker 1: want to do a little bit more. But that's.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Fred, I totally I thought this might have been
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  Speaker 3: the case, but I forgot about it. Fred Johnson, I
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  Speaker 3: thought I knew he's at the Bengals, but I needed
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  Speaker 3: to make sure Zach Taylor is the head coach. He was,
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  Speaker 3: so there's more of a case you could say he's
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  Speaker 3: been in the West Coast offense, but mh. They also
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  Speaker 3: moved on from him. He's with the Bucks in twenty two,
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  Speaker 3: then the Eagles for three years, which is Sirianni is
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  Speaker 3: really not a West Coast guy, right. Then you mentioned
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  Speaker 3: what Fred was with the Jaguars for a short time,
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  Speaker 3: which is Liam Cohen. That's West Coast. You know where
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  Speaker 3: Liam Cohen's come from. We've talked about that before with McVeigh.
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  Speaker 3: So yeah, he would fit. But he's a tall guy.
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  Speaker 3: And then you have to ask yourself why does he
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  Speaker 3: keep moving on? He's been with a number of teams.
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  Speaker 3: Started his career with the Steelers as an undrected free agent,
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  Speaker 3: but he has played in this offense as he again,
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  Speaker 3: Chris Cooper wanted him back. But it's a fair point
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  Speaker 3: to bring up. Ultimately, is he a better fit than
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  Speaker 3: some other guys who might fit?
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  Speaker 1: Right?
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  Speaker 3: He now is a swing tackles. Now you mentioned Frank
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  Speaker 3: getting Fred Johnson back. They traded for him. They got
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  Speaker 3: him from Jacksonville. If they get to training camp and
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  Speaker 3: they're not happy with them, then that's when you look
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  Speaker 3: at the trademarket.
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  Speaker 2: You see who's still out.
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  Speaker 1: There, right, right. So yeah, again, and in case anybody's
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  Speaker 1: misinterpreting me, I'm not saying he can't fit the offenser's bat.
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  Speaker 1: I'm just questioning whether he will. But it is absolutely
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  Speaker 1: a good idea to bring back a guy who has
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  Speaker 1: given you good reps as a backup swing tackle, and
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  Speaker 1: especially when you look at the current situation here and
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  Speaker 1: you're basically your other answers at that spot would be
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  Speaker 1: the kids they drafted last year. Miles hinting Cameron Williams.
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  Speaker 1: You know, Holland Pearce was an undrafted fridge and he
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  Speaker 1: didn't get on the field at all for them and
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  Speaker 1: outside of the preseason. So that's what you're competing against.
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  Speaker 1: Your friend, Johntson freend Jants is clearly better than any
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  Speaker 1: of them right now.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, did a good job. Look, he's a solid backup tackle.
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  Speaker 3: I said backup. I didn't say starter. It's a different
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  Speaker 3: story if you put together, if you ask thirty two teams,
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  Speaker 3: give me your list of backup tackles, he's in your
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  Speaker 3: top ten easily. But he's just not a starting player. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: there's the reason why guys are starters and guys are backups.
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  Speaker 3: He's well traveled, he could play left or right now.
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  Speaker 3: When he first got with the Eagles, I wouldn't have
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  Speaker 3: said that, but being developed by Stoutlan and Fred has
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  Speaker 3: talked about it in the state of mind he was
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  Speaker 3: when he got there and then when he accepted the
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  Speaker 3: coaching from Stout and how he developed. And it's really
• 6:41
  Speaker 3: a great interview on the egles on You could probably
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  Speaker 3: see it on YouTube if you can still find it.
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  Speaker 3: It's a great, wonderful interview. It's really good. I just
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  Speaker 3: talked about how much Stout meant him. Of course that's
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  Speaker 3: not here anymore though, right, and that's kind of where
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  Speaker 3: you're alluding to. Okay, different coach.
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  Speaker 2: Right, systems different.
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  Speaker 3: I know he's been in West Coast, but does he
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  Speaker 3: truly fit Cooper thinks he does.
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  Speaker 2: But we have to see there it is.
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  Speaker 1: And I wouldn't be surprised if the Eagles are not,
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  Speaker 1: you know, are I would I would not be surprised
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  Speaker 1: if they continue to address offensive line because you know,
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  Speaker 1: they lost Brett Toath as well. Uh, they don't really
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  Speaker 1: have as much depth on the interior. So last year
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  Speaker 1: they brought in if you think about it, they had
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  Speaker 1: Kendall Lamb and they had Toath and then they also
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  Speaker 1: brought they signed Matt Pryor right and brought back Fred Johnson.
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  Speaker 1: So they were really trying to give themselves good quality
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  Speaker 1: veteran depth. Some work, some didn't.
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  Speaker 3: The map problem, but right, and then they then they
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  Speaker 3: traded no Fred, I'm sorry, So Fred signed with Jacksonville?
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  Speaker 2: Correct? Did he sign with Jacksonville? First?
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  Speaker 1: He did sign with Jacksonville.
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  Speaker 2: First they reacquired with Kenna Lamb.
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  Speaker 3: I don't know what happened, did he he he woud
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  Speaker 3: up being with the Dolphins. But he he didn't retire
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  Speaker 3: like it didn't work out here, didn't.
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  Speaker 2: He just didn't. It didn't look right. He didn't didn't perform.
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  Speaker 1: He was coming up the back, he was coming off
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  Speaker 1: a but.
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  Speaker 2: The reporting out there seemed like he was going to retire.
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  Speaker 2: He didn't retire. He went to the Dolphins.
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  Speaker 1: Yep. It was very weird.
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  Speaker 3: And how he got that, how he got Fred back,
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  Speaker 3: it's one of the situations. If they didn't get Fred back, wow,
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  Speaker 3: remember he failed it for Lane Yep. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what the hell they would have done.
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  Speaker 1: No, And then remember they traded Darien Canard to the
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  Speaker 1: Packers after they made all these moves they had access
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  Speaker 1: they they felt just.
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  Speaker 2: Re signed with the Packers.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah exactly, Yeah, yeah, be interesting because in retrospect, who
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  Speaker 1: would have been better for them, Matt Pryor or Darren Canard?
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  Speaker 2: Very interesting Darren Canard?
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  Speaker 1: Well, I agree, because Matt didn't play well when he
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  Speaker 1: was at That's.
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  Speaker 2: See, we we we have it.
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  Speaker 3: We have the answers to the test because we haven't
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  Speaker 3: because the results happened. And Canard is a right tackle
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  Speaker 3: guard prior to eight tackle right tackle guard, and despite
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  Speaker 3: all the games he had started his career, boy, he
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  Speaker 3: just kind of fell off.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, he did by end up signing with Arizona,
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  Speaker 1: but you know he has to make it out there first.
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  Speaker 1: We'll say. Yeah, I kind of like Canard. I thought
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  Speaker 1: he was going to stick around, and you're right. The
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  Speaker 1: Packers recently, the Packers played him because they had injuries
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  Speaker 1: last year on the offensive line. They also played him
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  Speaker 1: in a jumbo package, just like the Eagles were doing
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  Speaker 1: at one point with Fred before Lane Johnson got hurt.
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  Speaker 1: Remember the Eagles were showcasing their own jumbo Well, the
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  Speaker 1: Packers were doing that at one point, using Canard as
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  Speaker 1: an extra offensive lineman. So they clearly liked what he
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  Speaker 1: was giving them from that, but then he had to
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  Speaker 1: play a few games and then somebody got I guess
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  Speaker 1: I forget who got hurt, but they had they had all.
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  Speaker 1: They're always banged up on the offensive line.
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  Speaker 2: The Packers.
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  Speaker 3: So one year, two point seventy five million with the
• 9:40
  Speaker 3: Packers are guaranteed one million, all right, one year but
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  Speaker 3: a decent coin.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, definitely. So that's the situation with the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: offensive line. They finally have the swing offensive tackle with
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  Speaker 1: Fred Johnson. We will expect them to add more they can.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I think you and I both think depending
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  Speaker 1: on what happened over here in the next two weeks
• 10:01
  Speaker 1: with potential trades and stuff, but this would be the draft.
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: If you wanted a fine lane Johnson's successor, and you
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  Speaker 1: were willing to use a first round pick on a
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  Speaker 1: player who might not play right away, and the Eagles
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  Speaker 1: are usually willing to do that, this could be a
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  Speaker 1: draft where you do draft and offensive tackle pretty early
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  Speaker 1: to find Johnson's success I.
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  Speaker 2: Mean, yeah, it's you never want to force it. I'm
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  Speaker 2: just telling you. When they force it.
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  Speaker 3: In twenty nineteen, they missed badly right with Andrew Dillard,
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  Speaker 3: But yes, it could be that. It absolutely you don't
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  Speaker 3: want to say it needs to be, but sooner rather
• 10:35
  Speaker 3: than later they have to address it. And it doesn't
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  Speaker 3: have to be in the first round. You can get
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  Speaker 3: tackles in second or third round. Sure, and we'll get
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  Speaker 3: to that when we with our draft coverage. But yeah,
• 10:45
  Speaker 3: the worst things teams do is force draft picks. That's
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  Speaker 3: when you you have to get this and that's what it's.
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  Speaker 3: It usually doesn't wind up going well, trust me, right,
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  Speaker 3: but it's quarterback tackle and that was the that was
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  Speaker 3: well it was twenty nineteen was Dillard.
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  Speaker 2: And remember they didn't get the red.
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  Speaker 3: They didn't get to work him out, and you know
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  Speaker 3: that that's and they really wanted him to be the
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  Speaker 3: future left tackle. And then we're the right to have
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  Speaker 3: let whatever the hell was was it Peters? Was it
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  Speaker 3: replacing Peters in twenty nineteen, Yes, it was Peters, and uh,
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  Speaker 3: it didn't work out. They tried him at right, remember,
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  Speaker 3: and he didn't. It didn't go well.
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  Speaker 2: I remember what was that line that he had.
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  Speaker 1: It's like writing with your left hand if your right hand.
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  Speaker 3: That was classic line. And then you know he caught
• 11:35
  Speaker 3: he made it for a little bit, and it was
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  Speaker 3: with the Packers before. But yeah, he just but what
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  Speaker 3: we're trying to tell you is don't force it.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. My most vivid memories of Andre Dillard, nice guy
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  Speaker 1: by the way, was just getting owned by Josh Sweat
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  Speaker 1: over and over in training camp, like on his back,
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  Speaker 1: putting on getting.
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  Speaker 3: I remember us, okay, I remember us talking about that
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  Speaker 3: story because we were we were doing our show then
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  Speaker 3: and uh and it was very early in Joshuwatz's career,
• 12:02
  Speaker 3: but you could see something with Josh Sweat, Yeah, you absolutely.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. And Peters, remember Peters was still there and they drafted.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, Peters was still their left Tackleip Dillard was their
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  Speaker 3: first round pick at twenty nineteen. It was Kelsey say
• 12:14
  Speaker 3: Molo Brandon Brooks, who was phenomenal lane of course your
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  Speaker 3: right tackle. The drafted the draftics just made my lotta
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  Speaker 3: in twenty eighteen, and who the hell knew who'd be
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  Speaker 3: their future left tackle.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, you said you can get tackles in the
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  Speaker 1: You don't have to get tackles in the first round.
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• 12:29
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  Speaker 1: so let's move the conversation to wide receiver, where Elijah
• 15:03
  Speaker 1: Mitchell now joins the team. I'm sorry, Elijah Moore. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: what was there any like Mitchell?
• 15:09
  Speaker 2: He had Elijah Mitchell. They did the running back.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right. Elijah Moore run is with the team
• 15:15
  Speaker 1: on a one year deal. That would be an interesting one.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, he's bounced around, had a really good rookie year.
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  Speaker 1: I recall that he is where you went to old
• 15:22
  Speaker 1: miss right.
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  Speaker 3: He Okay, I had to tell you what I'm gonna
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: tell you. I was a major, major fan of Elijah Moore.
• 15:34
  Speaker 1: I was too.
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  Speaker 3: He was so good his rookie season. I'd have to
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: go back with the Jets. He was the second pick
• 15:40
  Speaker 3: of Joe Douglass with the Eagles.
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: You see the pattern here, another Joe. This guy okay,
• 15:45
  Speaker 1: and then.
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  Speaker 2: He wasn't happy.
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  Speaker 3: He went up trading to the Browns, and it just
• 15:51
  Speaker 3: it just kind of it just kind of got away
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: from him. It's not like he's thirty five years old.
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: I mean, there's there's talent here. He could play a
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: slot if you want him to get He's a z
• 16:02
  Speaker 3: where you could play slot.
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: He's a movement receiver, or you could play inside.
• 16:06
  Speaker 3: Right and there, you'd been asking for a slot receiver
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: for the longest time.
• 16:09
  Speaker 2: He can do that.
• 16:10
  Speaker 3: No, he he can do that legitimately. It's not like
• 16:13
  Speaker 3: it's being forced, you know. It's not like some guy
• 16:15
  Speaker 3: like Lot standing inside.
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: No, he can. He can do this right.
• 16:19
  Speaker 1: I mean he's five foot nine. He has slot written
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: all over him. I know he has played the outside,
• 16:23
  Speaker 1: but it's hard in this league to be five to
• 16:25
  Speaker 1: nine and win on the outside. To me, he's like,
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: you want to put him in the slot is more
• 16:30
  Speaker 1: often than not. That's that's a really good spot for him.
• 16:33
  Speaker 1: He played it, by the way. By the way he
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: played it Old Miss from twenty eighteen to twenty twenty
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: and A. J. Brown was that Old Miss from twenty
• 16:42
  Speaker 1: sixteen to twenty eighteen. So it looks like they overlap
• 16:45
  Speaker 1: for one year twenty eighteen at Ole Miss.
• 16:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, it's it's it's fascinating. I know, Oh they're
• 16:50
  Speaker 2: gonna trade AJ now.
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: He's no, But I wasn't gonna make the joke. I
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: don't think they're gonna overlap this year though.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: No, no, no, but people you know he people have
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: to to to read into stuff and to stuff along.
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: Oh just must mean something, right, it's.
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: A honestly, it's more I'd worry about Darris Cooper more,
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: particularly if if AJ is here, because we love Darius Cooper, but.
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: Now he can play a lot. What's that?
• 17:25
  Speaker 1: Would you say though, that this signing on the other
• 17:28
  Speaker 1: unlike some other one year signings where you know the
• 17:31
  Speaker 1: guy is going to make the team, right you know, Fred,
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: well you know that that at least uh like Greek
• 17:36
  Speaker 1: Woollan is going to make the team, right, you know
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: that Hollier Bird Brown barring something create I was gonna
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: make the team.
• 17:41
  Speaker 2: Are you he's making it? Yeah, he's making it.
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm I'm gonna wait to see the contract. I
• 17:46
  Speaker 1: don't know if we're one hundred percent sure Elijah Moore
• 17:49
  Speaker 1: makes the team.
• 17:50
  Speaker 2: It seems yeah.
• 17:53
  Speaker 3: Elijah Moore to me was a guy that, if you mentioned,
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: was phenomenal as a rookie. It kind of went over
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: a series of years and he made the fairest point
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: of all of this. He's got to prove it. But
• 18:06
  Speaker 3: if he he sounded like he's thirty two years old, right,
• 18:10
  Speaker 3: so he's young enough to turn his career around. And look,
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: he's bounced around. I mean he's had the one good year.
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: He's bounced around. Right, He's with Denver and what Buffalo
• 18:18
  Speaker 3: last season?
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: I just I guess he was with He had no stats,
• 18:23
  Speaker 1: but he didn't play a game with Denver. He only
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: played nine games with Buffalo last year. I don't know
• 18:30
  Speaker 1: what to make of this, because we always say listen,
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: the NFL tells you how it feels about a player.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: This guy was on a Buffalo team that had was
• 18:38
  Speaker 1: basically thrown Brandon Cooks out there. I mean they had
• 18:41
  Speaker 1: nobody was great.
• 18:42
  Speaker 2: It was great.
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he did play well for them, But my point is,
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: you know, they don't really have a whole lot of
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: offensive weapons, and this guy could only get into nine
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: games and for catch nine passes for one hundred and
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: twelve yards. That's surprising to me, you know, I mean,
• 18:57
  Speaker 1: I look at I should be careful.
• 18:59
  Speaker 3: I think he had a great because he did his
• 19:00
  Speaker 3: most touchdowns he had was in year one with with
• 19:02
  Speaker 3: the Jets with five, but he looked really good. High
• 19:07
  Speaker 3: shorts percatch was twelve point five in his rookie season.
• 19:10
  Speaker 3: Right then the numbers started to dip. He goes to Cleveland,
• 19:13
  Speaker 3: you know, they made a trade for him, so he
• 19:14
  Speaker 3: played early, he didn't get the ball enough, and then
• 19:18
  Speaker 3: he just became a young journeyman.
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: He's he's actually pretty easily twenty six years old.
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he wasn't hurt. I'm looking. He signed
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: with the Bills first one year five minutes, right, he
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: made nine appearances, caught, like I said, nine balls, and
• 19:30
  Speaker 1: then they basically they signed Brandon Crooks and then got
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Cooks and then released him, waived him, and then he
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: signed with Denver and I don't think he played. He
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: was on their practice squad.
• 19:42
  Speaker 3: So that's how they really needed, they really needed because
• 19:45
  Speaker 3: Curtis Samuel was hurt. Yeah, cam Coleman was a non
• 19:48
  Speaker 3: factor and they really needed Lodjah Moore to step up,
• 19:52
  Speaker 3: somebody to step up.
• 19:53
  Speaker 2: And yeah, he just kind of keeps moving along. It's
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: not good.
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: So that that's sort of a signal to me, like
• 19:58
  Speaker 1: that we're accurate in saying you can't get guarantee this
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: guy is going to be on the team.
• 20:01
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's it.
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: But if if he could still play, and again he's
• 20:06
  Speaker 3: still very young, but if he could still play, it's
• 20:09
  Speaker 3: not good in terms of what Darris Cooper's role could be.
• 20:11
  Speaker 3: I'm not saying he won't make the team, but if
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: Logen Moore is back being at least a player in
• 20:16
  Speaker 3: the National Footballer that he deserves to be on a
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: team Darius Coop, it's Darris Cooper needs reps. But again,
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: it comes down as A J. Brown going to be
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: on the team. If he is, you've got here are
• 20:26
  Speaker 3: the guys you know are on the team.
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: If A J.
• 20:28
  Speaker 2: Brown's not traded, a J. Brown, Hollywood Brown is not
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: going anywhere.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: He's making five million, full of guaranteed, He's not getting
• 20:33
  Speaker 3: cut no matter what happens. He's on the team. Davante
• 20:36
  Speaker 3: obviously is the top three. Elijah Moore and Cooper there's
• 20:39
  Speaker 3: your five. With the block and receiver Johnny Wilson there's
• 20:41
  Speaker 3: your six.
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean he still has to make it as
• 20:44
  Speaker 1: well and come back to.
• 20:45
  Speaker 2: See where he is from a physical standpoint.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: Plus, I could draft the guy I mean, it'll be
• 20:49
  Speaker 1: good competition that that you feel better at least about
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: the Eagles bringing in some bodies here, especially if they
• 20:55
  Speaker 1: do move on from aj right about and competing. It
• 20:58
  Speaker 1: may not be idea open. There are bodies out there,
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: and there's when you're when you're as young as Eli is, right,
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: and you realize you you're coming off a year where
• 21:08
  Speaker 1: you're only caught nine balls and two teams didn't want you.
• 21:11
  Speaker 1: That might be a little bit of a fire. I
• 21:13
  Speaker 1: might like, I might waken you up. I don't know,
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: We'll see. I can't bank on it, but I mean
• 21:17
  Speaker 1: I know or me, I would feel like I got
• 21:19
  Speaker 1: to get my you know what together.
• 21:20
  Speaker 3: Right now, I'm just telling you what he was is
• 21:23
  Speaker 3: he was really interesting the first couple year with the Jets,
• 21:26
  Speaker 3: and he just went didn't seem to be happy.
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: It's ironical. The guy who traded him.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: Look, look, look why I look at the environment.
• 21:33
  Speaker 3: I understand you're talking about Zach Wilson, but I find
• 21:37
  Speaker 3: it interesting the guy that traded him is now with
• 21:40
  Speaker 3: the Eagles, Joe Douglas.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: So let's this is interesting, right because Michael Carter, the
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: second the defensive back for the Eagles, that was a
• 21:48
  Speaker 1: Joe Douglas guy. Yep, right, Eli Moore, Moore here as
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: a as a Joe Douglas guy. Wasn't there another timing
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: that we said was a Joe Douglas Now you.
• 21:57
  Speaker 2: Can't say he was. Joe is not with the Eagles,
• 22:00
  Speaker 2: but Mackay Beckton.
• 22:02
  Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no doesn't count. I thought
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: there was a third guy.
• 22:07
  Speaker 3: But as I look at it now, Jet Michael Carter,
• 22:14
  Speaker 3: Michael Carter, Folks, why I don't know who the third
• 22:17
  Speaker 3: guy would be?
• 22:18
  Speaker 1: Okay, maybe it's just because I've been joking with you
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: that any minute now the Eagles are going to sign
• 22:23
  Speaker 1: Ashton Davis to a Uh.
• 22:24
  Speaker 2: Oh you've been talking. You've been talking about as you've
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: been talking.
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: Yeah, so maybe that would be the third guy if
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: it happens. Yep, yep, all right. So Eagles continue to
• 22:36
  Speaker 1: do their work, they continue to add depth, and uh
• 22:39
  Speaker 1: that is interesting. And now I'm trying to think, like
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: in my head, I got like this rotation, like who's left?
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: You know, because we we constantly when we went through
• 22:47
  Speaker 1: free agent wide receivers, I'm not sure we mentioned you.
• 22:51
  Speaker 1: He was so down the list because of his last
• 22:53
  Speaker 1: year being so awful.
• 22:55
  Speaker 2: I don't think he did.
• 22:57
  Speaker 3: Was he here's a question, uh huh, I don't have him.
• 23:01
  Speaker 2: Who was the last team he was with.
• 23:04
  Speaker 1: Denver was Denver? It was Denver's practice squad.
• 23:08
  Speaker 3: Okay, so they didn't bring him back. So he was
• 23:09
  Speaker 3: actually a street free agent. That's why he was not
• 23:11
  Speaker 3: on our list.
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: There you go, street free agent, no compic formula. Worry
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: on that.
• 23:16
  Speaker 2: Yep. Yeah, wow, I'm glad we actually mentioned that. Yeah, because.
• 23:22
  Speaker 3: Really, all right, he's a young guy, he's getting he's
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: getting another chance and Eagles could use the death in competition.
• 23:29
  Speaker 2: And he is inside out. He's not a he's not
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: an ex. He's a is a Z or slot. He
• 23:34
  Speaker 2: is a move receiver X is here. He is a
• 23:37
  Speaker 2: guy in motion.
• 23:38
  Speaker 1: Yep.
• 23:39
  Speaker 3: And he also because he could play inside. He's a
• 23:42
  Speaker 3: guy you could play inside like he truly could play inside.
• 23:44
  Speaker 2: And absolutely I am I like this signing. I don't
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: know if he's got anything left.
• 23:49
  Speaker 3: I mean, I know he's very young, but we also
• 23:51
  Speaker 3: like the tight end who came in from Cleveland. He
• 23:53
  Speaker 3: was drived by Cleveland. He's now with Houston. It was
• 23:58
  Speaker 3: with the Raiders. How and Bryant.
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. Sometimes you kind of
• 24:04
  Speaker 1: like the signing and it doesn't work out.
• 24:06
  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we'll see, we'll see what this guy looks like.
• 24:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny though, because if they do trade AJ Brown,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: you're talking about all of a sudden, your your your
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: overall quote unquote size at wide receiver, especially among guys
• 24:18
  Speaker 1: you're going to play. I meant Hollywood Brown is small,
• 24:21
  Speaker 1: DeVante Smith is well, you know, we know he's slim reaper.
• 24:24
  Speaker 1: He plays big, so that's good. But but you know,
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: you know, he's still very He's one hundred and seventy pounds,
• 24:29
  Speaker 1: so he's not a big.
• 24:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, now, game, we got the draft though, Let's see
• 24:33
  Speaker 2: what happens.
• 24:34
  Speaker 1: Right right, And then of course Elijah Moore himself is
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: about one hundred and eighty pounds, so yeah, you're pretty
• 24:39
  Speaker 1: small and if you wind up moving on from AJ Brown.
• 24:42
  Speaker 1: But yeah, two important additions, two guys that will be
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: talking about throughout OTAs and of course camp and we'll
• 24:49
  Speaker 1: see how they both fit into with Fred the offense
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: blocking scheme, and with with Elijah, how he fits into
• 24:55
  Speaker 1: the passing game and if he's got any juice left.
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: So good stuff there, and of course, any more signings
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: by the Eagles will be on top of it. That's
• 25:03
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