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Mystery Meets Art—Behind the Color & Sleuth Series · Reality Writes

• 0:05
  Tech Guy: Okay, there we go.
• 0:09
  Ellie Alexander: Hello, hello, hello.
• 0:11
  Ellie Alexander: Welcome to Reality Writes.
• 0:13
  Ellie Alexander: I am author Ellie Alexander and I'm here with the Tech Guy.
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  Tech Guy: I'm getting really techie today, too.
• 0:18
  Tech Guy: Uh people were asking.
• 0:20
  Tech Guy: I have a live Emmy cam that I set up.
• 0:25
  Tech Guy: She's uh right over here next to me sleeping.
• 0:28
  Tech Guy: I've got a little window perch for her.
• 0:30
  Tech Guy: So uh she is sound asleep right now and hopefully not going to wake up and start playing with all the wires.
• 0:39
  Ellie Alexander: I think you should poke her and wake her up.
• 0:42
  Tech Guy: I'm not gonna do it.
• 0:43
  Tech Guy: No.
• 0:45
  Tech Guy: Or I'll just come over and bring her into your office and then she can be awake and yeah, it would be great for you.
• 0:52
  Ellie Alexander: That'd be great.
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  Ellie Alexander: Love it.
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  Ellie Alexander: Love it.
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  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
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  Ellie Alexander: Well, we're very excited to be back with another episode, and today we have a special guest joining us that I cannot wait to introduce you to.
• 1:04
  Ellie Alexander: It's gonna be fun.
• 1:06
  Tech Guy: Awesome.
• 1:07
  Tech Guy: Yeah, these episodes are great because um I get everything set up and then I'm gonna go away and you're gonna have fun talking with somebody that's more important than me.
• 1:17
  Ellie Alexander: So yeah, but you could um, if you want, at some point, you know, give us an Emmy pop-up or a guy pop-up, whatever, whatever you feel, you know.
• 1:25
  Tech Guy: Yeah, give you updates for sure.
• 1:29
  Ellie Alexander: Sounds great.
• 1:30
  Ellie Alexander: Uh well, today's guest um is uh Rebecca Dimos and Dimus.
• 1:37
  Ellie Alexander: We went over her last name and now I've already booked it so she can murder me when she comes.
• 1:41
  Tech Guy: We knew that we knew that was gonna happen a hundred percent, because you know you and and names are is just yeah, it's always a thing.
• 1:49
  Ellie Alexander: So it's so bad.
• 1:50
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah, so bad, especially knowing that I'm a former speech therapist.
• 1:53
  Ellie Alexander: You would think I would do better, but no, I don't.
• 1:56
  Ellie Alexander: I just don't.
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  Ellie Alexander: Um, but Rebecca is the artist, the mastermind, designer, all of the things there you are, find the color and sleuth.
• 2:07
  Ellie Alexander: Coloring mysteries.
• 2:10
  Ellie Alexander: Love it.
• 2:12
  Rebecca Demos: Thanks for being here.
• 2:14
  Rebecca Demos: Hi, thank you for having me.
• 2:18
  Ellie Alexander: Sorry for butchering your last name, even after you just told me exactly how to pronounce it.
• 2:23
  Rebecca Demos: That's okay.
• 2:24
  Rebecca Demos: I still got in my head.
• 2:28
  Ellie Alexander: Um, okay, well, let's start off and talk about um these two gorgeous color and sleuth mysteries that are just out this week.
• 2:37
  Ellie Alexander: They just came out.
• 2:38
  Ellie Alexander: Um, and maybe like, I mean, obviously, I know a little bit about them, but um, give us a little sense of what they are, how you came up with the concept, all of the good things.
• 2:51
  Rebecca Demos: Okay, so Color and Sleuth, the Color and Sleuth series is an all-around, um, what's the word movie for?
• 2:59
  Rebecca Demos: It's it's like a game inside of a book.
• 3:01
  Rebecca Demos: It's a coloring adventure mystery.
• 3:03
  Rebecca Demos: So you're not just coloring pages, but you're being pulled into this little world and they need your help to solve a mystery, and in this case, a murder.
• 3:15
  Ellie Alexander: Um, okay, so meant to oh yeah, go ahead.
• 3:20
  Ellie Alexander: Sorry.
• 3:20
  Ellie Alexander: No, no, keep going.
• 3:22
  Ellie Alexander: I was gonna say, like, it's such a cool concept.
• 3:24
  Ellie Alexander: I'm dying to know like how you came up with it.
• 3:28
  Rebecca Demos: Oh my gosh.
• 3:29
  Rebecca Demos: Well, it's so funny that you so that was the first question I got from um our editor, Michelle, was where did you come up with this idea?
• 3:36
  Rebecca Demos: My husband and I are obsessed with board games.
• 3:39
  Rebecca Demos: We love he well, more so him than me.
• 3:41
  Rebecca Demos: Um, but he has hundreds and hundreds of dollars worth of very expensive, fancy, cool, engaging board games that um will take all day to play and half the day to set up.
• 3:55
  Rebecca Demos: Um, but we do that all the time.
• 3:57
  Rebecca Demos: And I there was one board game that came with a soundtrack to even elevate it that much more, make it that much more engaging, right?
• 4:04
  Rebecca Demos: So you're in this little board game world, we're listening to music that goes with it and puts you there, and then you lose track of the time.
• 4:10
  Rebecca Demos: And I just am in awe of that.
• 4:12
  Rebecca Demos: And I want to be able to create something that had the same feel where you're playing a game, but in a way that I could produce it.
• 4:20
  Rebecca Demos: I don't know how these engineers and people develop these board game concepts because it seems so in-depth and like tricky.
• 4:28
  Rebecca Demos: But essentially it came from board games because my husband and I play a lot of board games.
• 4:32
  Rebecca Demos: That's the short answer.
• 4:36
  Ellie Alexander: I love that so much.
• 4:37
  Ellie Alexander: We are big board game um players in our house too.
• 4:41
  Ellie Alexander: Um, and it's always that thing where you're like, okay, it's gonna take us two and a half hours just to get through the directions, and maybe then we'll understand.
• 4:48
  Ellie Alexander: But my son, who just graduated from college, he's he's created two board games himself.
• 4:53
  Ellie Alexander: So, like that process, I think, is fascinating.
• 4:55
  Ellie Alexander: Um skip that no, no, no, we're talking about you.
• 5:03
  Ellie Alexander: We'll we'll get back to that.
• 5:04
  Ellie Alexander: But um, this isn't just a coloring book, though.
• 5:09
  Ellie Alexander: And this these are coming in in the comments too.
• 5:11
  Ellie Alexander: It's not, yes, it is a gorgeous coloring book, but you're solving a mystery as you go.
• 5:18
  Ellie Alexander: So I would love to hear about that process and like how like how did you even start and how did that get sparked?
• 5:26
  Rebecca Demos: Oh, well, so I I can't remember what started it, but I had drawn this, I had this idea for a coloring book where it wasn't paper dolls exactly, but you had an empty house that you could fill and design however you wanted, almost like um like Sims or Legos.
• 5:45
  Rebecca Demos: Like you are creating what what belongs to this little house, what's your perfect little house?
• 5:49
  Rebecca Demos: But then I like I'm a sucker for details, so I couldn't just have this empty house.
• 5:53
  Rebecca Demos: So I would add a couple details, but still leave it primarily empty.
• 5:57
  Rebecca Demos: And then this empty house turned into a full house.
• 6:00
  Rebecca Demos: And then this full house had a character, it had a little ghost in it.
• 6:03
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and I couldn't figure out why that little ghost was there.
• 6:06
  Rebecca Demos: And then I it just started from that.
• 6:08
  Rebecca Demos: I drew this house.
• 6:09
  Rebecca Demos: It was like a dollhouse on paper, and then I drew the neighbor's house.
• 6:13
  Rebecca Demos: And then who is this neighbor that lives next door?
• 6:15
  Rebecca Demos: And why does this neighbor hate this neighbor?
• 6:17
  Rebecca Demos: And I had built this little world in my head um where I live 90% of the time already.
• 6:22
  Rebecca Demos: And it kind of just I kept asking questions like, why does this neighbor have a, you know, a big hole in their backyard with shovels everywhere?
• 6:29
  Rebecca Demos: And why is this neighbor looking at this neighbor kind of suspiciously?
• 6:33
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and I wanted to turn it into a game because I was having so much fun drawing it and coming up with all these different, like, I don't know, just to be the fly on the wall and and and see what's going on in someone else's little life, I think is fascinating.
• 6:48
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and that's kind of where it started was I had drawn this house and then I drew the neighbors, and then that neighbor's neighbor, and then it turned into a city block, and then a whole little neighborhood.
• 6:59
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and all the drama that we know happens in a suburb or a small town where everyone knows everyone and everyone's in everyone's business.
• 7:08
  Rebecca Demos: And that's where it started.
• 7:12
  Ellie Alexander: And were you already thinking, oh Ann, this is Anne says, this is a very unique idea, and it sounds like a lot of fun.
• 7:19
  Ellie Alexander: It's so much fun.
• 7:20
  Ellie Alexander: As you started to, you know, get get into this world of pigeon hollows and and these friendly and not so friendly ghosts.
• 7:28
  Ellie Alexander: Were you thinking mystery?
• 7:30
  Ellie Alexander: Like, had you ever written a mystery?
• 7:33
  Ellie Alexander: Like, how then did you start to develop it?
• 7:35
  Rebecca Demos: Because I know I'm not a writer.
• 7:38
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah, but what's so neat, you unique about this is readers are gonna solve a mystery throughout the coloring book, not just with the words, but with the details that you've embedded.
• 7:50
  Rebecca Demos: Yeah, well, that's that's like the oh I don't I don't know.
• 7:55
  Rebecca Demos: I'm I'm a sucker for details.
• 7:57
  Rebecca Demos: I want to keep drawing something over and over again and add as much as I can.
• 8:00
  Rebecca Demos: Um, the mystery I love I'm obsessed with true crime and murder.
• 8:05
  Rebecca Demos: And actually a lot of my um illustration work early on started off for um podcasts.
• 8:10
  Rebecca Demos: I was doing merchandise design and um drawing these podcasters as characters in their own comics based on episodes they were producing.
• 8:19
  Rebecca Demos: So I did our work for Generation Y podcast, which is like huge out of um Kansas City, and then Once Upon a Crime, which is out in, I want to say it's in Las Vegas, they're located in Las Vegas, but I've always been a sucker for a mystery.
• 8:33
  Rebecca Demos: Um and I'm also super nosy, like not intentionally nosy, but like, you know, when you drive you're driving down the neighborhood and someone has their windows wide open and you can see like, oh my God, look at their dining room.
• 8:44
  Rebecca Demos: It's beautiful.
• 8:44
  Rebecca Demos: Um, so like that combination of like being able to create these little houses with these little people inside and then give them reasons to either love each other or hate each other, and like that drama, and then placing like framing them almost and placing little clues within the drawings that connect them to each other.
• 9:01
  Rebecca Demos: It was so fun.
• 9:02
  Rebecca Demos: It was so fun.
• 9:04
  Rebecca Demos: Stressful, but fun.
• 9:06
  Rebecca Demos: Because I kept adding more and more.
• 9:07
  Rebecca Demos: At one point, I just had to be like, I'm all done.
• 9:09
  Rebecca Demos: We don't need any more.
• 9:10
  Rebecca Demos: But that's like essentially what I did.
• 9:14
  Rebecca Demos: I don't know.
• 9:15
  Rebecca Demos: But I can't write.
• 9:16
  Rebecca Demos: That was what you had to do.
• 9:18
  Rebecca Demos: I needed your help to put all the words together because I can't write for anything.
• 9:23
  Ellie Alexander: Oh, well, no, that's not true.
• 9:25
  Ellie Alexander: So, um, darlings, anyone who's listening, the way that I got looped into this project was that our editor, Michelle, um, had you had already done all of the work.
• 9:35
  Ellie Alexander: The story was there.
• 9:36
  Ellie Alexander: Like, I take zero credit.
• 9:38
  Ellie Alexander: This is all Rebecca's brainchild.
• 9:40
  Ellie Alexander: Like, this is not me.
• 9:41
  Ellie Alexander: The story was there, the illustrations were there, all those beautiful clues that we're gonna be coloring and trying to solve, everything was there.
• 9:48
  Ellie Alexander: You had already written the story.
• 9:50
  Ellie Alexander: The only thing I did is just kind of lend a little snarky for the first two, shall we say, voice to it.
• 9:56
  Ellie Alexander: Um, and in fact, when I got asked to join in on the project, I was I was initially like, oh, I just, I don't think I have time.
• 10:04
  Ellie Alexander: Like, this sounds so cool.
• 10:05
  Ellie Alexander: I I can't wait to get one for myself because the same thing, like checks every box.
• 10:10
  Ellie Alexander: But um, just in terms of time constraints, because I'm used to writing 70, 75,000 word manuscripts.
• 10:18
  Ellie Alexander: And when Michelle was like, oh no, it's 3,000 words, I was like, oh, okay, sign me up.
• 10:23
  Ellie Alexander: I'm in.
• 10:23
  Ellie Alexander: Because like, not that that's easy, but you'd already done the legwork too.
• 10:27
  Ellie Alexander: So, which was great.
• 10:29
  Rebecca Demos: Well, and you it's funny that you say only 3,000 words.
• 10:32
  Rebecca Demos: Like, I don't even know what that is.
• 10:33
  Rebecca Demos: Like, that seems like a lot to me.
• 10:36
  Rebecca Demos: Like, I remember writing like a 250-word page explanation in high school and thinking, like, oh my god, this is terrible.
• 10:43
  Rebecca Demos: So 3,000 is a big number to me, but I'm happy it's not to you.
• 10:49
  Ellie Alexander: Um, can you walk us through your illustration process?
• 10:52
  Ellie Alexander: Like, how long does it take?
• 10:54
  Ellie Alexander: Because uh, the darlings who are gonna be listening to this later aren't gonna get to see, but for those of you, oops, I gotta go this way.
• 11:01
  Ellie Alexander: For those of you listening, I mean, Rebecca's style is just so whimsical and charming.
• 11:08
  Ellie Alexander: And I don't know when I would stop.
• 11:09
  Ellie Alexander: I mean, I don't have any talent in this regard at all.
• 11:12
  Ellie Alexander: So I'm curious.
• 11:15
  Rebecca Demos: Um, well, I I don't know.
• 11:17
  Rebecca Demos: You just you start with a blank page, honestly.
• 11:20
  Rebecca Demos: Um, I love drawing a setting.
• 11:23
  Rebecca Demos: Like, I there are people that focus on like human faces and character development and character design, but I love designing a place I could see myself or almost feeling like an architect, like, oh, I designed this building or this room in this house.
• 11:37
  Rebecca Demos: I like creating settings.
• 11:38
  Rebecca Demos: And then the setting and how I sketch the setting and things I put in the setting set the tone of the drawing, right?
• 11:44
  Rebecca Demos: Like whether you have um teddy bears and cute girly things in a little bedroom with a bunk bed and a canopy, or you've got, you know, dripping liquor bottles or you know, broken glass in another room.
• 11:58
  Rebecca Demos: It totally changes the feel of everything visually.
• 12:01
  Rebecca Demos: Um, yeah, I don't know.
• 12:03
  Rebecca Demos: I just, I just love to draw, honestly.
• 12:05
  Rebecca Demos: That's where it comes from.
• 12:06
  Rebecca Demos: I just love to draw um and be able to create something.
• 12:09
  Rebecca Demos: So I'm not not that I'm not good at other things, but that's my one and only um, I don't know, love, I guess, passion.
• 12:16
  Rebecca Demos: I love to draw and create things.
• 12:18
  Rebecca Demos: So this is what I did.
• 12:20
  Rebecca Demos: I don't know.
• 12:21
  Rebecca Demos: And we're all so lucky for it.
• 12:25
  Ellie Alexander: Oh thank you.
• 12:27
  Ellie Alexander: Um are the pages behind this.
• 12:33
  Ellie Alexander: Is Joseph wants to know, are the pages behind the pictures blank or are the pictures back to back?
• 12:40
  Rebecca Demos: So that's a really good question.
• 12:41
  Rebecca Demos: The main illustrations are not layered on top of each other.
• 12:44
  Rebecca Demos: So there is drawing back to back, but Ellie, if you hold up the book, the side with the writing is the left side.
• 12:54
  Rebecca Demos: So that does allow you, you can color it.
• 12:56
  Rebecca Demos: The paper quality is amazing, though.
• 12:58
  Rebecca Demos: It's so thick.
• 12:59
  Rebecca Demos: Um, because I gave a copy to both my daughters, and my one went in with colored pencils right away and it was fine, but the other went in with sharpie.
• 13:07
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and that held up really great too.
• 13:09
  Rebecca Demos: So the the ill of the main illustrations are not back to back.
• 13:12
  Rebecca Demos: However, there are um images printed on the back of the illustrations because it's the whole book.
• 13:20
  Rebecca Demos: It's just the where all the writing is, and there's little details too on that side as well.
• 13:26
  Ellie Alexander: Um, Cassandra said it sounds like rear window, which I completely agree.
• 13:34
  Rebecca Demos: That's no one's ever said that.
• 13:35
  Rebecca Demos: That's a really good comparison.
• 13:38
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 13:39
  Ellie Alexander: Um, what was what was the most challenging part for you?
• 13:43
  Ellie Alexander: Like, was it hard to like map out then the thread of the actual mystery, or did that kind of come naturally as you're immersing yourself more into the world?
• 13:55
  Rebecca Demos: Um, that came surprisingly easy.
• 13:57
  Rebecca Demos: I was able to like, there were certain characters that I initially there's a character, Gloria, who I've she's one of my favorite characters, but everyone hates her.
• 14:06
  Rebecca Demos: I don't know if that's about me, but I really love her.
• 14:09
  Rebecca Demos: Um that part was easy.
• 14:12
  Rebecca Demos: It was like the hard part for me was when we got your voice, the snarky columnist, uh, not uh writing this paper.
• 14:21
  Rebecca Demos: Because once I got what you had written, I was like, oh my gosh, I have to read, I have to change what I did because you gave me the perfect platform to create what it is now, with the to just to change all the illustrations on the side with the font and the text, just to make it that much more immersive and engaging.
• 14:40
  Rebecca Demos: Like you're actually reading this gossip columnist newspaper, um, page six type magazine as you're in the neighborhood getting all the gossip from her and figuring out who's doing what behind what whose door.
• 14:54
  Rebecca Demos: Um, so the most stressful part for me was when Michelle's like, I need these pages by tomorrow to give to the art department.
• 15:01
  Rebecca Demos: And then I was up for like two in the morning redrawing all of it, like happy to do so.
• 15:05
  Rebecca Demos: I was so excited about it.
• 15:07
  Rebecca Demos: But at one point I stopped.
• 15:08
  Rebecca Demos: I was like, I will, I cannot keep drawing.
• 15:10
  Rebecca Demos: Like when the lines are moving on your paper for no reason, that's when you're like, I gotta hang it up and go to bed right now.
• 15:15
  Rebecca Demos: That was the most stressful, but all but like in a happy stress.
• 15:18
  Rebecca Demos: Like it, it was like fueling stress.
• 15:21
  Rebecca Demos: I was so excited to do it, but I just had a time constraint that I had to like, you know, master and figure out.
• 15:27
  Rebecca Demos: But that was that was so fun.
• 15:29
  Rebecca Demos: It was so fun.
• 15:32
  Ellie Alexander: Um, and there were a bunch of people in the um comments asking about is it, it's not a mystery on every page that you're solving.
• 15:42
  Ellie Alexander: And I think we kind of alluded to, yeah, Cherry's asking that too.
• 15:45
  Ellie Alexander: Um, we kind of alluded to this too.
• 15:48
  Ellie Alexander: Our snarky gossip columnist is giving you some clues, but you have to do you have to do some sleuthing in the actual designs, which is what I think is so brilliant about what you created.
• 16:00
  Rebecca Demos: Yeah, you can't, it's not like um there's lots of books where uh I just saw an Agatha Christie like puzzle book, but every page is its own puzzle.
• 16:10
  Rebecca Demos: This book, the entire book is the story, is a story.
• 16:13
  Rebecca Demos: It's a full narrative from start to finish, and you're finding clues within the illustrations, and you're reading you're reading what these ghosts are all saying about each other behind their each other's backs, and you're learning about um things that you wouldn't know otherwise reading this gossip columnist.
• 16:30
  Rebecca Demos: And there's four simple questions you have.
• 16:32
  Rebecca Demos: Well, they seem simple.
• 16:33
  Rebecca Demos: There's four questions you have to answer by the end of the book.
• 16:36
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and you find the answers to those questions based on what you find at the illustrations.
• 16:41
  Rebecca Demos: You might find somebody's possessions in someone else's house, and you you would only know that those belong to somebody else by reading what's in the gossip columnists.
• 16:49
  Rebecca Demos: So it really is fully, you need to be fully engaged to solve it.
• 16:54
  Rebecca Demos: You can't just, you know, open and be like, oh, I know the answer.
• 16:56
  Rebecca Demos: Because what fun would that be, anyways, you know?
• 16:58
  Rebecca Demos: But yeah, it's a full mystery from start to finish.
• 17:04
  Ellie Alexander: And if you solve it, you get a little bonus too, right?
• 17:09
  Rebecca Demos: You do.
• 17:09
  Rebecca Demos: You get free uh downloads and sneak peeks at the other books in the series.
• 17:13
  Rebecca Demos: You win.
• 17:14
  Rebecca Demos: Um, so that was part of my like all-encompass, all-encompassing engagement project with these books was you needed to be able to use all aspects of your senses, right?
• 17:26
  Rebecca Demos: So you're listening to the soundtrack that gets you in the mood.
• 17:28
  Rebecca Demos: You're using, you're reading, you're using your brain, you're searching for stuff.
• 17:31
  Rebecca Demos: Um, you're color.
• 17:32
  Rebecca Demos: There's certain clues too that you can't find until you're coloring.
• 17:36
  Rebecca Demos: Like whether it's the texture behind it, once you color it differently, it pops out.
• 17:41
  Rebecca Demos: Um, some of the clues are really tiny.
• 17:43
  Rebecca Demos: Like, that's the illustrations are just really intricate.
• 17:46
  Rebecca Demos: Um, but you win a prize poster that can be printed like huge.
• 17:52
  Rebecca Demos: You get three pages from the other books, and then you also get a news update about exactly what happened with the criminals, the murderers, and the suspects and all of that.
• 18:03
  Rebecca Demos: You get like a nice little ending.
• 18:07
  Ellie Alexander: A little wrap-up, which is great because then you, all of us darlings, we get to see like how were our sleuthing skills.
• 18:14
  Ellie Alexander: Did we did we solve it or were we wrong?
• 18:17
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 18:17
  Ellie Alexander: Ann says it is beautiful and intriguing.
• 18:21
  Ellie Alexander: I think I will be, it will be exciting to color in and solve.
• 18:24
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah, that's exactly.
• 18:25
  Ellie Alexander: I mean, it's it is what it says it is, right?
• 18:29
  Ellie Alexander: It is color and sleuth.
• 18:30
  Ellie Alexander: You're coloring and sleuthing at the same time.
• 18:33
  Ellie Alexander: I've seen a few um questions coming in about like what is the best method for coloring, like gel pens, colored pencils, sharpies.
• 18:43
  Ellie Alexander: I know you said like, oh, but as far as I am.
• 18:46
  Rebecca Demos: Yeah.
• 18:47
  Rebecca Demos: Yeah.
• 18:48
  Rebecca Demos: Um, I mean, the paper is really good quality.
• 18:51
  Rebecca Demos: It really can handle anything.
• 18:53
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and if you're like an avid colorer, I know a lot of colors who use markers typically put like a thick paper behind the page they're coloring.
• 19:00
  Rebecca Demos: Um, you can use anything.
• 19:02
  Rebecca Demos: I mean, I wouldn't use like tubes of paint, right?
• 19:04
  Rebecca Demos: Um, but even watercolor pencils work.
• 19:07
  Rebecca Demos: I'm a sucker for crayons.
• 19:09
  Rebecca Demos: I think I mean, I do a bunch of art with just regular Crayola crayons.
• 19:13
  Rebecca Demos: Um, but I think colored pencils, gel pens would be really cool.
• 19:16
  Rebecca Demos: I haven't used a gel pen probably since like middle school.
• 19:19
  Rebecca Demos: Oh my gosh, I loved gel pens.
• 19:21
  Rebecca Demos: You could really use anything you want.
• 19:24
  Rebecca Demos: Okay.
• 19:25
  Rebecca Demos: Yeah.
• 19:26
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 19:27
  Ellie Alexander: Okay, so you come up with this concept, you put it together.
• 19:30
  Ellie Alexander: Oh, Ann, I'll come back to your question in one second.
• 19:33
  Ellie Alexander: Um, you put it together, and then like, how do you pitch it?
• 19:37
  Ellie Alexander: Like, what was the next step for you?
• 19:39
  Ellie Alexander: Because this isn't something that's necessarily, you know, like a straight pitch in terms of my understanding of like the book publishing world.
• 19:49
  Rebecca Demos: Well, uh, and I had no idea what I was doing when I pitched it.
• 19:52
  Rebecca Demos: So um I had seen, I don't know how I got Michelle's email, or maybe it was the Quarto, the publishing um company's website.
• 20:01
  Rebecca Demos: Whenever I create something, I query it no matter what.
• 20:04
  Rebecca Demos: Like I'm just like, because what's the worst can happen?
• 20:06
  Rebecca Demos: It's that no one likes it and I like it, and it just stays with me, and that's fine.
• 20:10
  Rebecca Demos: Um, it was so funny though, I don't even remember sending out anything about this particular idea.
• 20:17
  Rebecca Demos: So I was so set on just like, oh, it's just a cute, fun thing I made.
• 20:21
  Rebecca Demos: Maybe my kids will like it, and my husband will get a kick out of it.
• 20:24
  Rebecca Demos: Um, but randomly I'd gotten an email from Michelle, um, senior acquisition editor at Quarto.
• 20:31
  Rebecca Demos: And I thought it was a I thought it was like a spam or a bot or junk mail.
• 20:35
  Rebecca Demos: Um, but then it it had a lot of personal details, it had my attachments, and then we linked up and she asked me the same thing.
• 20:43
  Rebecca Demos: She's like, okay, so explain this to me.
• 20:45
  Rebecca Demos: And she's so good because she's I'm so I'm not she's so logical in her thinking and like really good at problem solving.
• 20:53
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and she's got like an analytical brain, whereas I don't.
• 20:57
  Rebecca Demos: So I was trying to explain this to her, and she kept asking me questions that kind of helped me explain it.
• 21:01
  Rebecca Demos: She she pitched it to herself, essentially.
• 21:04
  Rebecca Demos: I kind of like explained haphazardly what I was trying to do, and then she would narrow, she would ask me and make it more clear with the questions she was asking because I I knew what it was, but it was hard to put it into words.
• 21:17
  Rebecca Demos: Like it's a murder mystery coloring book where you can win prizes, it's got search and find elements, but it also has clues in a writing portion that you can read, and all the characters hate Gloria, and everyone's a suspect, and it's that's what it was.
• 21:33
  Rebecca Demos: And you can win stuff, and there's a quiz at the end, and that's she did it herself.
• 21:38
  Rebecca Demos: She pitched it to herself essentially.
• 21:41
  Ellie Alexander: That's awesome.
• 21:42
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 21:42
  Ellie Alexander: Well, I think that's always inspiring because I know um in this particular group we have um some writers at the early stage of their careers.
• 21:49
  Ellie Alexander: Well, I always say the same thing.
• 21:50
  Ellie Alexander: There's there is zero harm in putting yourself out there, it's always worth taking a risk because you never know what's gonna land and what resonates at the right moment.
• 21:58
  Ellie Alexander: It's so much.
• 22:00
  Rebecca Demos: Of it oh my god, send everything, right?
• 22:03
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 22:05
  Ellie Alexander: Why not?
• 22:06
  Ellie Alexander: Definitely okay.
• 22:09
  Ellie Alexander: Um, I promised Ann I would come back to her question.
• 22:12
  Ellie Alexander: Do the clues only appear when you color a page, or can you search them on a page before coloring?
• 22:20
  Rebecca Demos: You can search them on a page before coloring.
• 22:23
  Rebecca Demos: That's a really good question.
• 22:24
  Rebecca Demos: There are, I can think of like three clues though, that the way I drew them, they might not be, unless you've got like hawk eyes, they might not pop out at you while you're searching, but as you're coloring, you might be like, oh, wait, that shape doesn't go there, and then it might be revealed to you.
• 22:40
  Rebecca Demos: It really depends.
• 22:41
  Rebecca Demos: And I only know this because my father-in-law is currently trying to solve ghost uh ghost town, and he just realized color, he thought he could solve it just by like searching and reading, but then he realized as he was coloring, he's like, Oh, I didn't notice that before when he was looking, and he found something pretty essential.
• 22:58
  Rebecca Demos: So it it depends on your eyesight, I guess.
• 23:00
  Rebecca Demos: Is a good question to your or the answer to your question.
• 23:03
  Ellie Alexander: Right?
• 23:04
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 23:04
  Ellie Alexander: Uh-huh.
• 23:05
  Ellie Alexander: Um, Cassandra wants to know where and when they will be available.
• 23:09
  Ellie Alexander: And uh we got some news for you.
• 23:11
  Ellie Alexander: I'll let you take it away, Rebecca.
• 23:13
  Rebecca Demos: They are on They are on they're online everywhere.
• 23:21
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and at Barnes and Noble, and oh my god, there's so many.
• 23:25
  Rebecca Demos: Oh, I should have I don't have the list with me.
• 23:27
  Rebecca Demos: A lot of small indie bookstores have them.
• 23:30
  Rebecca Demos: Um yeah, but Barnes and Noble, um, Amazon, the Quarto website, Target website, Walmart, um, wherever you get books.
• 23:41
  Rebecca Demos: Oh, Books a Million.
• 23:42
  Rebecca Demos: I think there's some other places, indigo books, I think.
• 23:46
  Rebecca Demos: There's a lot.
• 23:51
  Ellie Alexander: Tish, I can't wait to grab a few copies.
• 23:53
  Ellie Alexander: Great Christmas present.
• 23:55
  Ellie Alexander: Totally agree.
• 23:56
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 23:56
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 23:57
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 23:58
  Ellie Alexander: Um what why do you think?
• 24:01
  Ellie Alexander: I mean, I have my own thoughts on this, but I would love to hear from you.
• 24:04
  Ellie Alexander: Why do you think coloring is resonating right now?
• 24:07
  Ellie Alexander: Like, why is it something that's so important?
• 24:10
  Ellie Alexander: And what do you hope people get out of this process?
• 24:15
  Rebecca Demos: Um, I think, well, I I think I think it's easy to, it's almost like a form of meditation to color, right?
• 24:24
  Rebecca Demos: You it you're really focused on exactly what's in front of you, and it kind of keeps you in the moment versus getting lost in your head and your anxieties and your problems.
• 24:33
  Rebecca Demos: Um, or also it's just like fun.
• 24:35
  Rebecca Demos: It's fun to do.
• 24:36
  Rebecca Demos: Um, there's it's zero pressure.
• 24:38
  Rebecca Demos: Well, sometimes some people do put a lot of pressure on themselves.
• 24:41
  Rebecca Demos: They don't want to color outside the line or choose the wrong color.
• 24:43
  Rebecca Demos: But um, at the end of the day, it's meant to be fun.
• 24:46
  Rebecca Demos: It's meant to like for you to enjoy yourself.
• 24:50
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and I just wanted to kind of step up the fund meter a little bit and make it more than just, I don't know, I mean I don't know how many times my daughters have gotten a coloring book and then they flick through, find one page they really like, color it, and then don't touch any of the other pages because they're like, oh, I didn't love that one.
• 25:05
  Rebecca Demos: It didn't have a unicorn on it or whatever.
• 25:08
  Rebecca Demos: Um, so I'm hoping that like instead of searching for the perfect design, you're kind of thrown into this world and you have to find your way out a little bit, right?
• 25:17
  Rebecca Demos: But you're enjoying yourself as you're there.
• 25:20
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah, absolutely.
• 25:22
  Ellie Alexander: I love that.
• 25:23
  Ellie Alexander: I appreciate it because as someone who is not artistically talented in this way, and I'm not being like humble.
• 25:31
  Ellie Alexander: I'm I promise you, like one of my favorite stories to tell is that when um my first grade teacher came to my uh my first book signing, and it was so lovely to reconnect with her.
• 25:42
  Ellie Alexander: And she was talking about how much she remembers me as a reader, even at that age.
• 25:46
  Ellie Alexander: And then I signed her book, and she was like, I clearly did not teach you penmanship.
• 25:52
  Ellie Alexander: Like, but she did not say God.
• 25:55
  Ellie Alexander: It's so fair.
• 25:58
  Ellie Alexander: Like, yeah, I um every year I will do like a fake book cover for April Fool's Day, and usually the tech guy will create, you know, something digital that's like a funny, like the bake shop's going to space or whatever.
• 26:11
  Ellie Alexander: But a few years ago, I was like, I think it would be really funny if I try to draw one of my covers.
• 26:17
  Ellie Alexander: Um, and stick figures are my lane.
• 26:20
  Ellie Alexander: Like it was so bad.
• 26:21
  Ellie Alexander: And readers were so kind and generous, they're like, Oh, Elliot's adorable.
• 26:24
  Ellie Alexander: I'm like, oh no.
• 26:26
  Ellie Alexander: But I this is a long way around of saying I love a coloring book because I feel like I do.
• 26:33
  Ellie Alexander: I get to I get to make it my own.
• 26:35
  Ellie Alexander: I get to pick the colors.
• 26:36
  Ellie Alexander: Um, and this is that next level of then you're also playing this game as you go.
• 26:41
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 26:42
  Ellie Alexander: So good.
• 26:45
  Rebecca Demos: There's something fun too about like knowing about it.
• 26:48
  Rebecca Demos: Yeah.
• 26:51
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah, definitely.
• 26:52
  Ellie Alexander: Oh, what's next for you?
• 26:56
  Rebecca Demos: Oh, well, currently we are working on books three and four for the Color is Leuth series.
• 27:02
  Rebecca Demos: So I'm drawing a lot.
• 27:04
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and then I still do work with I do work with the foundation called Leap for Literacy, which is a stationed in Georgia.
• 27:12
  Rebecca Demos: It's a non-for-profit that goes into um struggling elementary schools and it's a writing program for young writers.
• 27:18
  Rebecca Demos: And then um students, students are chosen and their books are professionally illustrated and published through Leak for Literacy.
• 27:26
  Rebecca Demos: So I'm working with them on some stuff.
• 27:28
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and I work with the Aaron's Law Foundation, which is um a proactive foundation for helping students figure out and understand um personal space boundaries and protect themselves um from assaults and being in uncomfortable situations.
• 27:49
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and that's across 38 states.
• 27:51
  Rebecca Demos: So I'm working with them on a bunch of stuff too, which is a lot of fun.
• 27:55
  Rebecca Demos: Wow.
• 27:56
  Rebecca Demos: So you have your hands on a lot of things then, too.
• 27:59
  Rebecca Demos: Yes, always all the time.
• 28:03
  Rebecca Demos: I can't say no to people.
• 28:05
  Rebecca Demos: Like I'm such a sucker.
• 28:07
  Rebecca Demos: I've always like, oh sure, I can do that.
• 28:08
  Rebecca Demos: Like even just today, I was a friend of mine had asked me to paint her a birthday banner.
• 28:12
  Rebecca Demos: And I'm like, well, but I've got to get ready for the podcast.
• 28:15
  Rebecca Demos: I had drawing to do, I've got two kids I gotta keep alive all the time.
• 28:18
  Rebecca Demos: Um, and this is Sunday.
• 28:20
  Rebecca Demos: This is my Sunday too.
• 28:21
  Rebecca Demos: So I was like, oh my gosh, when am I gonna watch the bears?
• 28:23
  Rebecca Demos: It's just been a lot, but like I'm always busy, and I at least it's stuff I love to do.
• 28:27
  Rebecca Demos: Like it's a good problem to have.
• 28:30
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 28:30
  Ellie Alexander: Um, so when now you're approaching it a slightly differently because you already finished two, right?
• 28:37
  Ellie Alexander: So as you go into the next two, do you think like, is your process gonna change?
• 28:41
  Ellie Alexander: Does it feel the same?
• 28:42
  Ellie Alexander: Like more pressure, less pressure?
• 28:45
  Rebecca Demos: No, it feels less I'm less stressed out because the first two were like a really good map for what what it is, like the systems in place and how to make it a good, like a fun adventure mystery.
• 29:01
  Rebecca Demos: Um, I'm excited because it's a new setting.
• 29:04
  Rebecca Demos: So we had a suburban town and then haunted city or in a city.
• 29:08
  Rebecca Demos: So and they're different, but the same, if that makes sense.
• 29:11
  Rebecca Demos: And the it's fun too because I had different, as you pay attention, there's Easter eggs throughout all of them.
• 29:18
  Rebecca Demos: So they're all connected, they're all in the same world, in the same universe.
• 29:21
  Rebecca Demos: Um, certain characters might pop up here and there.
• 29:24
  Rebecca Demos: They might travel from the city to the suburbs.
• 29:27
  Rebecca Demos: Um, you might notice some of Gloria's flowers throughout different people's apartments and in different settings I'm drawing now.
• 29:35
  Rebecca Demos: But it's been, I think it's been more fun.
• 29:37
  Rebecca Demos: It's just getting more and more fun with each book.
• 29:41
  Ellie Alexander: That's so great.
• 29:42
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 29:42
  Ellie Alexander: Well, I mean, your joy comes through in all of your art.
• 29:46
  Ellie Alexander: Um, and just this sort of sweet, whimsical world that you've created.
• 29:50
  Ellie Alexander: And I love that it's ghosts.
• 29:52
  Ellie Alexander: Like it's, I don't know why, but like it, they're just so adorable.
• 29:57
  Ellie Alexander: These stinking ghosts like get in your head.
• 30:00
  Rebecca Demos: Thank you.
• 30:01
  Rebecca Demos: Well, Ian, I don't know why I just always loved, I always loved those, just a simple little ghost.
• 30:06
  Rebecca Demos: They're so cute.
• 30:07
  Rebecca Demos: But then I made mine orange because I was like, I didn't I thought about I played around with the idea of them initially being literally just a black outline and almost invisible on the page.
• 30:17
  Rebecca Demos: But then I was like, that is that's gonna be too much.
• 30:20
  Rebecca Demos: So I made them the color they are, which is different too.
• 30:23
  Rebecca Demos: And now when I see a white ghost, I'm always like, that's not right.
• 30:26
  Rebecca Demos: It's not supposed to be white because I'm so used to looking at our ghosts which are in color.
• 30:30
  Rebecca Demos: That's hilarious.
• 30:33
  Ellie Alexander: Um, that's my uh last question.
• 30:35
  Ellie Alexander: And then um, darlings, if you have any other for Rebecca, hit us up now before we wrap.
• 30:40
  Ellie Alexander: But um is it more challenging?
• 30:43
  Ellie Alexander: Like, how do you approach the idea of a coloring book too?
• 30:47
  Ellie Alexander: Because it's not just a straightforward illustration, is it?
• 30:51
  Ellie Alexander: Or is it the same process that you would do for some of like your nonprofit work?
• 30:56
  Rebecca Demos: No, right.
• 30:58
  Rebecca Demos: Um I think I have more fun with the coloring books because I'm not actually coloring.
• 31:05
  Rebecca Demos: I'm just drawing.
• 31:07
  Rebecca Demos: So there's I'm just drawing.
• 31:09
  Rebecca Demos: I'm using black, a black pen, white paper, and I am just drawing, which is what I love to do.
• 31:16
  Rebecca Demos: I love to color, but drawing and creating, like I just love a good fake black outline.
• 31:23
  Rebecca Demos: I love to, I don't necessarily need color to make a piece of art or make something I love.
• 31:28
  Rebecca Demos: So I love this because it's drawing versus like I love the work I do for Leap for Literacy just for um what the pro nonprofit does, more so than like the actual physical work.
• 31:38
  Rebecca Demos: Like it's fun to draw those pictures.
• 31:40
  Rebecca Demos: Um, but those on coloring, I'm shading, I'm adding all this stuff that does make the illustration complete, right?
• 31:48
  Rebecca Demos: But that's not the fun part to me.
• 31:50
  Rebecca Demos: Like, I like the first initial start of just drawing the black outline.
• 31:54
  Rebecca Demos: Um and then give it being able to use like somebody can actually engage with it versus like, yes, I like I loved getting lost in a really good book.
• 32:03
  Rebecca Demos: Um and I think that's what I want them to be stuck with me for a little bit longer, right?
• 32:09
  Rebecca Demos: Than just looking at an ill a colored illustration.
• 32:12
  Rebecca Demos: They're stuck there coloring it themselves, which I like.
• 32:16
  Ellie Alexander: I love that so much.
• 32:18
  Ellie Alexander: Um, Tish just placed her order plus some new crayons.
• 32:21
  Ellie Alexander: They'll be here in the morning.
• 32:22
  Ellie Alexander: Yay! Oh, Tish, I hope you love it.
• 32:27
  Ellie Alexander: And I can tell you that Tish has her first mystery coming out tomorrow, too.
• 32:34
  Ellie Alexander: Um, not working.
• 32:36
  Ellie Alexander: I know that'll be a perfect like celebratory book release for you, Tish.
• 32:41
  Ellie Alexander: Love it.
• 32:42
  Ellie Alexander: Um, let's see.
• 32:45
  Ellie Alexander: Uh Cherry wants to know have you seen your designs colored by someone else?
• 32:49
  Ellie Alexander: And what did you think?
• 32:49
  Ellie Alexander: I love that question.
• 32:50
  Ellie Alexander: I was gonna ask that too.
• 32:51
  Rebecca Demos: Oh my god.
• 32:52
  Rebecca Demos: No one's asked me that.
• 32:54
  Rebecca Demos: So this happened for the well, okay.
• 32:56
  Rebecca Demos: So if you don't count my children, um, because of course I love all their their coloring.
• 33:01
  Rebecca Demos: Um, but my father-in-law is the first person, and he sent it to me yesterday.
• 33:06
  Rebecca Demos: Um, because the book came out on Tuesday.
• 33:08
  Rebecca Demos: Now he's known about these books for the past two years because he's just he just knows everything going on in my life.
• 33:14
  Rebecca Demos: Um, but he sent me for the first time a photo of his coloring, and he so our last name is Demas, and we joke that he is OC Demas because he's so particular, and I knew coloring was gonna be tricky for him, and it was stunning.
• 33:28
  Rebecca Demos: He did such a good job and it looked so cute and it made me so happy.
• 33:31
  Rebecca Demos: And I knew it would make me happy, but I didn't realize to the level of how happy I would be to see it like fully colored by someone else, and he had so much fun doing it.
• 33:40
  Rebecca Demos: So I like I can't wait.
• 33:42
  Rebecca Demos: I hope people, I hope people send me their pictures of their coloring.
• 33:46
  Rebecca Demos: Like, I want to see it.
• 33:48
  Ellie Alexander: I was just gonna ask that.
• 33:49
  Ellie Alexander: So, like, um tell us where you are like on Instagram and social.
• 33:53
  Ellie Alexander: And do you want people to tag you if they have like a finished page?
• 33:57
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 33:58
  Rebecca Demos: Oh my god, please tag me.
• 34:00
  Rebecca Demos: Um, my what is my handle?
• 34:03
  Rebecca Demos: Oh, my my Instagram handle is B Hilgi.
• 34:06
  Rebecca Demos: It's B H I L L G I E.
• 34:09
  Rebecca Demos: Or just type in Rebecca Demos um D-E-M-L-S in like a little search bar and I should pop up.
• 34:17
  Rebecca Demos: My picture is two skeletons kissing, naturally, of course.
• 34:20
  Rebecca Demos: It's like, of course.
• 34:21
  Rebecca Demos: Send me, you could message them or hashtag them, whatever the kids are doing these days.
• 34:29
  Rebecca Demos: I'd love to see them.
• 34:30
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah, that's that's I mean, I know from my end, anytime I see a reader with a copy of my book, I'm like, oh my gosh, this thing that is in my head and somebody else is holding in their hands, like that's just magic.
• 34:44
  Rebecca Demos: It's so amazing.
• 34:45
  Rebecca Demos: Yeah, no, I can't wait.
• 34:46
  Rebecca Demos: So send them to me, please.
• 34:47
  Rebecca Demos: I would love to see them.
• 34:49
  Ellie Alexander: Okay, we have one last question, which this one, this one is kind of hard-hitting.
• 34:54
  Ellie Alexander: Does Casper make an appearance?
• 34:56
  Ellie Alexander: Joseph wants to know.
• 34:58
  Ellie Alexander: Oh my god.
• 35:02
  Rebecca Demos: I had the biggest, what was the boy's name who played whatever his name was?
• 35:06
  Rebecca Demos: I had such a big crush on Casper.
• 35:08
  Rebecca Demos: Um, no, Casper does not make an appearance.
• 35:11
  Rebecca Demos: He um he is copyrighted and trademarked and can legally not, he's not welcome in Pigeon Hollow.
• 35:18
  Ellie Alexander: No, he's not welcome.
• 35:19
  Ellie Alexander: No, he'd be run out of town.
• 35:21
  Ellie Alexander: Sorry, Pigeon Hollows is like, see, yeah, you're out.
• 35:24
  Ellie Alexander: Yes, I love it.
• 35:27
  Ellie Alexander: Um, Anne wants to know if the coloring books will be available at the Ashland Mystery Fest.
• 35:33
  Ellie Alexander: Yes, um, there are three or four retailers that have already put in orders for them.
• 35:36
  Ellie Alexander: So you'll be able to get them at Ashland Mystery Fest.
• 35:38
  Ellie Alexander: And I just got a few bonus copies that I didn't know I was getting.
• 35:41
  Ellie Alexander: This is, I'm just sort of like along for the ride on this project.
• 35:45
  Ellie Alexander: So I um I will be sharing some on um my newsletter um and with this group too.
• 35:51
  Ellie Alexander: So that's super fun.
• 35:53
  Ellie Alexander: Um well, Rebecca, thanks so much for taking time out of your busy Sunday to come chat about it.
• 35:59
  Ellie Alexander: I just am over the moon to get to even be a tiny part of this, and it was so fun to see how your designs came through, read the story.
• 36:11
  Ellie Alexander: And um, I have not colored them myself yet either.
• 36:14
  Ellie Alexander: I've spent a lot of time with this in this world, but I'm excited to actually like sit down and color too.
• 36:19
  Ellie Alexander: No joke.
• 36:22
  Rebecca Demos: Oh my gosh, well, you better send me your coloring.
• 36:24
  Rebecca Demos: I want to see it.
• 36:25
  Ellie Alexander: Okay, I will.
• 36:26
  Ellie Alexander: Yes, absolutely.
• 36:27
  Ellie Alexander: Yes.
• 36:28
  Ellie Alexander: But thank you so much for joining us.
• 36:30
  Ellie Alexander: Thank you so much for having me.
• 36:32
  Ellie Alexander: Of course.
• 36:34
  Ellie Alexander: This is so fun.
• 36:36
  Ellie Alexander: If you oh, and actually, they're already all following you.
• 36:41
  Ellie Alexander: So um, let's go.
• 36:42
  Ellie Alexander: Um, tell those retailers to also stock crayons, Cherry says.
• 36:46
  Ellie Alexander: I don't think Rebecca has any control over that.
• 36:48
  Ellie Alexander: But oh, oh, Mystery Fest.
• 36:50
  Ellie Alexander: Oh, yes, I see.
• 36:51
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah, but for Mystery Fest, I will make sure that Paddington Station, I think they're gonna have like a whole coloring setup ready to go.
• 36:58
  Ellie Alexander: So I'll send you pictures, Rebecca.
• 37:01
  Rebecca Demos: Yes, please.
• 37:02
  Rebecca Demos: Oh, I wish I could go.
• 37:04
  Rebecca Demos: It sounds so fun.
• 37:05
  Ellie Alexander: Maybe next year we'll lure you in.
• 37:07
  Ellie Alexander: We'll have like a whole wouldn't it be fun?
• 37:09
  Ellie Alexander: Oh, this is I'm I'm really trying to let you go for your evening, but wouldn't it be fun if you could color live for a panel?
• 37:18
  Ellie Alexander: That would be amazing.
• 37:20
  Ellie Alexander: We gotta think about this.
• 37:21
  Rebecca Demos: I'll do it.
• 37:22
  Rebecca Demos: I'll do it.
• 37:22
  Rebecca Demos: You you're gonna clubuer me and I'm there.
• 37:24
  Rebecca Demos: I'll jump in in your suitcase.
• 37:26
  Rebecca Demos: Oh.
• 37:29
  Ellie Alexander: Uh okay.
• 37:29
  Ellie Alexander: Well, thanks so much.
• 37:31
  Ellie Alexander: And to all of the rest of the darlings, have a lovely evening.
• 37:35
  Ellie Alexander: And until next time, tech guy are gonna pop in with a goodbye, Emmy.
• 37:40
  Tech Guy: Uh, sure.
• 37:41
  Tech Guy: Yeah, let's see what's changed.
• 37:44
  Tech Guy: Nothing.
• 37:44
  Tech Guy: Nothing has changed.
• 37:46
  Tech Guy: She's still asleep.
• 37:48
  Tech Guy: Yeah.
• 37:48
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 37:49
  Ellie Alexander: She's so asleep.
• 37:50
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 37:51
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 37:51
  Ellie Alexander: All right.
• 37:51
  Ellie Alexander: Well, that was so much fun.
• 37:53
  Ellie Alexander: Um, I hope that you all loved getting a peek behind the coloring, and I can't wait.
• 37:59
  Ellie Alexander: You should tag me on your coloring pages too, and then I'll all we can tag Rebecca at the same time.
• 38:05
  Ellie Alexander: Yeah.
• 38:05
  Ellie Alexander: Love it.
• 38:06
  Tech Guy: Cool.
• 38:08
  Ellie Alexander: All right.
• 38:09
  Ellie Alexander: Till next time.
• 38:11
  Tech Guy: Till next time.