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#369 - For Azeroth!: “Midnight Preview: Elemental Shaman" · For Azeroth!: A World of Warcraft Podcast

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  I mean, it just depends on what you want hero talents to be,
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  right? Like depending on who I talk to,
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  there's a lot of like variants there.
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  We have some people that came in now over the last few days and
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  say like, OK, do I have to learn two hero trees?
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  Because if I have to learn two hero trees I would just play
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  different spec Victory for the Forsaken.
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  For Lauderon. For the Karen tour.
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  For Pandaria. For calendar to.
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  The burning region for Gilnaeus, but has not died for the Lich
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  King for the Sindora. For the alliance.
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  For the horn for Azeroth. Hello and welcome to another
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  special episode of For Azrok in my series where we talk to the
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  people who know what in the world is going on in the World
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  of Warcraft, the guide riders, the three crafters, the people
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  who like dig into stuff. And joining me is a great friend
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  of mine. Mr. Hawk.
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  How are you and how's World of Warcraft been treating you?
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  Oh yeah, I mean stressful, right?
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  Like that's how every patch releases.
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  I think we'd currently in the process of US or NA getting
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  their patch deployed right. So I think in a few hours, is
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  that about right? It's, it's going to be Tuesday
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  with extended maintenance that goes through to 3:00 PM PST.
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  Yeah. So it's it's going to be a.
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  Little more time zones. Yeah.
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  And then obviously that's when we in NA start actually beta
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  testing and hopefully it's good for you guys.
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  Yeah, that would be. But there is a lot happening and
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  a lot happening to our classes. So for those who don't know you,
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  can you tell us about yourself in the class that you like to
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  talk about? Yeah, So hi, I'm Hawk.
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  Hawk Hogan I've been doing elemental shaman theory crafting
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  and like tool support I guess for the last, what is it now,
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  eight years or something. Started doing Wow analyzer back
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  when and then slowly worked my way into like simulation craft
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  and do like theory crafting, crunching some numbers and
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  trying to figure out how the game works, how the spec works,
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  how to do it properly, how to play the class.
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  Still in the process of figuring that one out, but I do think
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  that I have at least a good theoretical some good
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  theoretical knowledge about the spec.
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  Of course, of course, it's always a moving target, so even
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  when you do figure something out, it might change on you in
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  the next path. For the Elemental Shaman,
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  something that is near and dear to my heart, it's been quite the
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  journey. Over the course of The War
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  Within we've had entire cooldowns completely changed
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  over, we've had our on and off again love affair with Flame
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  Shock, and even that is changing.
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  Can you tell me, in your opinion, how things have gone
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  for Elemental through The War Within?
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  I mean, it's been turbulent to say the least, right?
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  Getting like a full on Wework, which I mean they didn't touch
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  like the bass spells I guess, but still like everything kind
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  of changes or changed. Previously we had like different
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  build types depending on like which of our fillers we were
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  just spamming because that's just what kind of always
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  happened. And they just kind of took
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  offence with that if we just ignored one of our main like
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  minor coolers, our major fillers, I guess, depending on
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  whichever one it was, right. And so they just reworked
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  everything. Turns out every time something
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  gets reworked, it gets kind of strong.
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  So we got nerved quite a bit. Still ended up being pretty
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  good, not going to lie. And yeah, like in the end of the
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  expansion. Now, I personally think that the
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  gameplay was pretty good. It was very fun to play and
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  yeah, I mean still very strong. So I think they ended up in a
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  good position with The War Within and now with Midnight
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  there will be changes. So I think we're going to talk
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  about that one. Yeah, definitely.
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  But before we do, I'd love to talk a little bit more about the
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  hero talents, because of course The War Within was the
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  introduction of the hero talents.
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  We had both the Farseer and of course the Stormbringer hero
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  talents for Elemental. And there's been sort of like a
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  back and forth between the two and sometimes one was the Mythic
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  plus build and one was the raid build.
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  And they've been changing. So like overall have has
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  Elemental benefited from these hero talents and have they been
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  like overall a good thing? I mean, it just depends on what
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  you want hero talents to be, right?
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  Like depending on who I talk to, there's a lot of like variants
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  there. We have some people that came in
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  now over the last few days and say like, OK, do I have to learn
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  to hero trees? Because if I have to learn to
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  hero trees, I would just play different spec.
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  And for us, how it's traditionally been, it's like
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  Farsi as the rating, the single target build, right?
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  And storm bringer, like the AOE just burn everything in the
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  build, right? And that is more or less stayed
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  the same, right? Like Farsi is playable in mythic
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  plus definitely does better boss damage and a few dungeons like
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  usually like one or two dungeons each season.
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  It does see play and might be slightly better depending on
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  your context, who you're running with, stuff like that.
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  But yeah, like so having these completely distinct kind of
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  flavours for different Pve styles, so playing something
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  that feels quite different between rate, single target and
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  mythic plus AOE is just kind of drawing for some people.
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  I don't particularly mind it because I've, I do like the idea
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  of being able to specialize in some kind of like damage pattern
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  or something like that, right? But generally what happens if
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  you have to specialize is that you obviously lose in all of the
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  areas where you don't specialize.
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  So what we had a lot of the time is like Stormwinger does more
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  AOE, but we just lose out on single target.
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  So we just lag behind on that, which kind of held us back right
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  now we're probably so overturned that it doesn't really matter as
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  much. But that's a different kind of
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  question, right? Oh yeah.
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  So like having it as like an aesthetic choice and having like
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  the animations and summoning like The Tempest for the storm
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  Winger and have like all the lightning happening and
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  everything. It's pretty cool.
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  It it feels good. Farcia.
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  I'm personally enjoy all of it. I know that half the community
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  hates it. Just having more pets and like
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  summon your grandpas and have them actually do the job, right?
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  Like if you're playing the game and 30% of your damage is just
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  from the pets, it's just from the people that are standing
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  behind you and you're not really expecting to play a pet class.
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  I see how people would kind of dislike that, but I, I do very
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  much enjoy it. I mean, I've always liked
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  Primordial Wave, which is like the main thing that you need to
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  use for Farseer builds, right? Because it procs the Eurotelons.
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  But yeah, so end of the day, I'm not entirely sure if I think the
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  system benefits us in the sense of like it makes the gameplay
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  better or anything like that. But it I think the idea is
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  generally successful. So I'm I'm quite happy that they
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  take it over into midnight, I think.
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  OK. And so as you've gone into
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  Midnight and we've gone through the streamlining, we've seen a
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  reduction of a lot of the buffs that we used to have to keep an
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  eye on the plates that we used to spin.
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  Does Elemental still do what Elemental does?
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  Does it still feel like elemental?
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  And how is the gameplay being affected?
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  Well, it entirely depends again on who you're asking, right?
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  Like all of the like the try hards, the people that spend a
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  lot of time playing the spec, some of them may be playing it a
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  bit too much. Just say like all of the
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  interesting stuff is gone, right?
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  The skeleton is definitely still there, right?
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  Like it's a bit of a spender spec.
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  You generate your mouth some precious spenders.
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  All of the things that kind of do, all the pretty colours, all
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  the animations, all that is still there.
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  It's probably more now than it was previously because they just
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  kind of focused in on like overload.
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  So everything just happens more now is at least what it kind of
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  looks like and feels like. But all of the fun stuff, right?
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  Like Ice Fury broke up the rotation.
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  Ice Fury has always been a very, very highly debated spell.
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  Like the word clunky has at times been very, very well.
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  We disincentivize people to use it.
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  Let me put it this way, right? Because everything just gets
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  kind of called clunky and the word just loses all meaning.
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  But yeah, like, people always called it clunky because playing
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  around it was just kind of annoying.
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  You had to as well as you said, right?
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  Like spinning plates, just one more that you just kind of have
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  to manage. But after they rework that, I'd
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  like, I don't know how many of your listeners and viewers know
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  the history there, right? Like I sure he initially was if
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  I remember correctly 32nd cooldown and gave you like 4
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  charges of first Chuck. Then that got rebalanced a few
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  times. Was it even a minute and four
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  charges? I don't even remember, it's been
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  about a while and it anyway. It's been a long time since like
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  I think BFA days when we were doing the, the, the balance of
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  the elements and so you would want to go through and it's gone
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  through a lot of changes though. It's even older, right?
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  Like in Legion there was like the ice quake build and stuff
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  like that. Ice shoe already existed back in
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  Legion, right? So it's been like 10 years at
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  this point. So anyway, point being, they
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  changed it to a random clock now, right?
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  So just by doing things you just sometimes get it and every ice
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  shoe is like one for shock that you can use afterwards.
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  And that was kind of cool. You could save up like 2
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  charges. The way it procs is more or less
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  normalized, so you don't really get like 3 procs in a row or
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  something like that. So you can just bank it.
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  You have it for like movement stuff.
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  You can just actually move places, which is very nice to do
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  as a caster. People still call it clunky.
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  I don't know if that is related to like we have a talent called
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  Fusion of Elements, which the base UI just never tracked.
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  It was tracked and like a beta at some point, but then they
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  just removed that for some reason.
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  So we had to like work around it with we go us to even just
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  understand what is actually happening in the game because
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  Blizzard didn't want to tell us. But so that was kind of weird.
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  That was kind of janky to play around that.
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  But other than that, it was a pretty nice spell.
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  Now at the end of all, at the end of it all after the we
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  factors and reworks. So losing that is kind of bad.
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  Similarly, like a lot of the flavour stuff Liquid Magma told
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  him which back in legion or something you just popped it
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  down at the damage. Great, loved it.
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  Then it started applying like flame shocks, which that was
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  kind of neat when we had like primordial wave to actually
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  benefit from the flame shocks right?
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  And now they just removed it again and replaced it with like
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  a new talent, which is technically better.
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  It can just apply all of the flame shocks now, but it was
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  like the last totem that we had remaining.
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  And people like totems I think just for Charmin generally.
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  So bit of a loss in flavour I guess.
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  Yeah. And some other stuff, right?
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  Like we have lost a lot of procs, a lot of like random
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  stuff, a lot of things that were kind of you had to track or you
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  just didn't. Usually you will find just not
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  tracking it at all. People obviously want to track
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  it. If things are happening, they
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  want to see it, right? Oh, yeah.
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  So like they removed a lot of those things, which I think is
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  fair, right? It's it's a very weird
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  situation. They added a lot of things and
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  removed the little things that we kind of asked for.
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  But now it's just the shell that's left over.
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  So it just feels like, OK, and and now please add the fun into
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  the spec, right? It still feels like elemental
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  sound, but there's just the little bit missing.
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  I don't know if that's just me talking or someone who likes to
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  slightly min makes or slightly like try to optimize gameplay a
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  little bit, right? Because it's also a situation
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  right now where like if you go onto the Internet, you go onto
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  YouTube and you see like what creators are talking about with
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  regards to like midnight and everyone loves elemental shaman
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  and one says you should play that.
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  But that in my opinion, right, It's mostly just people that
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  played it for like a few hours and tried it in a few dungeons
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  and stuff like that. And it's really cool.
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  It it feels good, it looks nice, but there's just not much there
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  if you actually want to go into it, right?
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  Like when I was writing the guides and I'm sitting there
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  like, OK, and how can I tell people how to optimize this?
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  And I'm just saying like there, there is nothing I, I don't
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  know, like there's mass of the elements and like the which you
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  have to kind of play around and that's it really so.
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  So it feels like while the cool factor remains, a bit of the
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  soul has been hollowed out. Like the skeleton is still
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  standing there but the soul is just missing, right?
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  OK, OK. You did talk about the loss of
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  Liquid Mogmototum, the addition now that we, we no longer have
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  Liquid Mogmotum, we're boring from enhancement.
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  The ability to like now immediately apply a flame shock
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  onto 1 target and five others in there that hit like hits the
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  cap. How has that really changed for
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  the AOE of, of elemental? Because elemental AOE was a lot
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  of that project juggling. You wanted to make sure that you
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  were like sending and sending your elemental blast so you
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  could, you could empower and so forth.
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  You wanted to make sure that you were doing the the right amount
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  of juggling. And now it feels like you're
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  looking for a Aftershock proc to like send more spenders and go
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  from there. Yeah, I mean, you're right.
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  I even forgot to mention that I like Echoes of Grades Unknowing,
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  which is like the talent where you just alternate your
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  spenders. That is also gone now.
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  So you're just spamming your AOE spender when AOE is happening,
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  which it's it's earthquake is a great spell.
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  Might need a little animation update at some point if we look
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  at the new like augmentation earthquake animations and stuff
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  like that, but that's a different conversation.
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  But yeah, so like stuff like that has gone.
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  The whole Ice Fury fusion thing is gone.
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  Some talents that you could sometimes play around like
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  Search of Power where like your spenders would then upgrade your
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  next generator, stuff like that is gone.
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  So all of the flame shock juggling that we did previously,
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  right? Like we kind of understand how
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  exactly liquid magma totem applies it's dots.
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  So depending on target counts, how many targets have flame
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  shock, how many don't you just have to use your spells in a
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  different order to just kind of abuse the logic there.
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  And whether that was fun for people to do or not is very,
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  very it's it's debatable. I agree, right.
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  Like I personally enjoyed myself figuring out how exactly that
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  works and trying to maximize like the active flame shocks
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  with those builds. But to each their own on that
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  one, right? And now it's definitely.
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  Fun to read on my end, it was not something I was looking to
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  put into practice. Yeah, and now the new voltaic
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  place. So I'd like, as you said, you
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  shock a target and everything else also gets flame shocks up
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  to the maximum, which is 6, right?
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  The problem is just it entirely replaces your flame shock.
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  So you can't do it. Like if if you have to wait for
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  everything to be grouped up, then you can actually press the
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  button. So that's the one, that's one
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  thing. And then you also are kind of
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  reliant on everything standing together because you only have
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  one spell that's a splash that just applies the dot now.
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  So if they are not grouped, like what are you supposed to do?
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  You can't really put it somewhere else.
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  There's no other way to apply flame Shock at all.
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  There are no procs anymore where they just apply it.
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  I guess pressing Ascendance itself kind of still does apply.
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  It spread sometimes, but that's like a two or three minutes cool
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  down, right? So kind of debatable how
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  relevant that is in most cases. But yeah, like previously you
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  had Primordial Wave, which was like 30 second cool down.
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  So every 30 seconds you kind of had like your little set up
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  thingy where you try to do all the flame shock juggling.
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  You did the primordial wave and then you just kept playing the
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  game kind of, and now was like 15 second cool down -6 seconds
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  from one talent and then -1 1/2 again, something like that.
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  I think it's like 8 second cooling or something on the low
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  end. So pressing that button and then
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  the lava burst afterwards, it's like a good bit of irritation
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  now, which is not terribly another terribly bad thing
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  because it's one of the few instant casts you have, right?
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  So you can actually move when you press will take place.
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  But yeah, so like, I think it doesn't feel particularly nice
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  to play. I mean, sure, if everything's
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  scooped up, if everything goes well, it's kind of neat.
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  But yeah, I don't know, I definitely preferred the
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  previous iteration. Probably just what I'm used to,
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  to be fair, right? Like it might just be a thing
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  that will and like if we talk again like 2 years, I will just
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  sit there like MO wasn't so bad, was just a little bit of growing
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  pains, right? Understandable.
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  I mean it is going to be a different beast in AOE.
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  The single target though, when we are walking up to that boss
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  and we are now dealing with like a raid boss or just the boss
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  that we're dealing with in a mythic Plus, how is that
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  affected? It doesn't.
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  It's not being completely reworked like AOE, but like are
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  we still able to do what we wanted to do?
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  Well, single target or rate generally is kind of the the
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  pain point in my opinion, right like from all the testing I've
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  done and from all the tests testing I've watched, we're just
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  losing a lot of mobility, right? The assumption right now is that
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  you will play voltaic place, but just apply it like every 15
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  seconds ish right. So play it without the cooldown
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  reduction talents and all of that.
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  So that's a movement spell. And then I guess you have your
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  earth shock, which like every. Let's say every 8 seconds or
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  something, right? You can press like a spender and
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  you can move a little bit that way and that's kind of it.
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  So I mean Stormkeeper gives you some instant cars, Lava search
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  gives you some instant cars. So I'd like there is definitely
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  it's definitely possible to like start a step places sometimes,
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  but if you just have to go far, you have spirit walkers,
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  obviously, but that is still not always available, right?
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  And if I look at at least how the bosses were designed in war
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  within, a lot of them required a good bit of movement.
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  So we're going to see how that goes in the pre patch, I guess.
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  And even in midnight, right, like all the right bosses that
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  we tested, I think they still require a good a good amount of
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  mobility. I felt like it was a bit of an
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  issue and most people that I talked with considered a bit of
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  an issue and didn't really have a lot of fun, at least on the
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  single target process and stuff like that.
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  So just kind of a question, right?
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  Like we are obviously not the only class, not the only spec
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  that kind of has like this charity ranged approach.
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  If you look at something like destruction Warlock or
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  something, or Warlock in general, I guess they're also
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  just sit there and casting. I think that they have some
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  better tools. I think that circle is generally
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  a bit better than most of the stuff that we have access to.
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  But at the end of the day, in my opinion at least, they often get
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  balanced around the fact that they have to move as much,
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  right? Like even if they lose a lot of
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  cars, they still do good damage. And yeah, I mean, there has
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  basically been no balancing at all on the PTR and on the beta,
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  right? There was basically no damage
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  shuffling for the specs, no aura adjustments, nothing.
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  Which will be a bit interesting when we patch in our launches,
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  but we will see about that one. So it's really hard to say
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  whether Blizzard, I mean Blizzard is keeping that in
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  mind, right? Like they are aware of that, but
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  like how aggressively they want to compensate for that.
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  We will see. I mean, it's the same thing.
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  I like they have communicated that there is a shift in like
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  how they design weight losses, how they design Mythic plus
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  around the loss in utility. And if you look at something
• 22:38
  like destruction, I don't know that much about it, but to my
• 22:43
  understanding at least they lose like some of their shadow burns,
• 22:47
  all of their shadow burns, stuff like that.
• 22:48
  They do lose some of the instant cast.
• 22:50
  So they also lose like mobility. So we are definitely not the
• 22:55
  only ones with that issue. But I mean, if you compare that
• 23:00
  to like a mage who still can just blink everywhere all the
• 23:04
  time back and just do like ridiculous stuff, yeah, it's
• 23:09
  it's concerning. I am concerned.
• 23:12
  OK, So you're looking at this not like where we went from like
• 23:19
  Mr. Pandaria, where we could just cast like most of our
• 23:22
  rotation on the move to Warlords.
• 23:25
  It's not it's it's not that kind of pain.
• 23:28
  You do feel like that they haven't properly compensated for
• 23:30
  it? Yeah, I mean, we're not going
• 23:33
  from like BM level mobilities to still kind of good mobility,
• 23:38
  right. We're going to yeah, pretty all
• 23:40
  right. I mean, to be fair, we are
• 23:43
  reasonably mobile with like Ice Sphere and all the things right
• 23:46
  now. And but like where we're going
• 23:50
  to, I don't think there is a lot in terms of mobility.
• 23:55
  I think that it will be an issue, I think, especially
• 23:59
  because I mean it might not be actually true, but I think that
• 24:04
  Blizzard is trying to design the games a bit more like player
• 24:08
  friendly, a bit more like beginner friendly, right.
• 24:11
  So making the skill requirement so much higher in terms of just
• 24:17
  silent movement, min maxing mobility, right?
• 24:21
  Like every single time someone comes to me or to the discord or
• 24:24
  something and asks hey, how can I improve?
• 24:27
  Hey, what am I doing wrong? My damage isn't there.
• 24:29
  I don't know what what's happening.
• 24:31
  I'm following the guide and you can just see maybe they aren't
• 24:34
  following it one to one. Maybe there's some minor
• 24:37
  mistakes, but usually the issue is that they are just not
• 24:39
  casting. They're just moving places.
• 24:41
  They just go into Ghost Wharf and just walk around for like 10
• 24:44
  or 15 seconds, which like at that point you can't really do
• 24:47
  damage, right? That's kind of how that works.
• 24:51
  But yeah, so if they're making movement harder on the player, I
• 24:54
  think that's very quickly. A lot of the like beginner
• 24:59
  player base, a lot of the like lower end player base will run
• 25:02
  into issues. Obviously like DPS doesn't
• 25:05
  really matter that much and like normal or heroic rates, right,
• 25:11
  because you will probably never see a an NRH or something.
• 25:15
  But I do think that it will just feel bad, right?
• 25:17
  Like if you are so immobile that you can't really perform well
• 25:20
  and all of the other specs, maybe not all the other specs
• 25:23
  are like BM's, majors, whoever else just have a much easier
• 25:28
  time compensating or much easier time just being able to move,
• 25:31
  then you will just lose a lot of players.
• 25:34
  I think they will just we will. I think they will just go
• 25:36
  somewhere else. OK, yeah, that's definitely
• 25:39
  true. If it's not even across the the
• 25:43
  field, it it just feels like you're going to see a lot of
• 25:46
  people move, move away. Throughout the war within shaman
• 25:53
  has been in relatively good, if not grotesquely overpowered
• 25:58
  situations, especially when I forget what the talent was that
• 26:02
  like reduced all nature spells and so we could single handedly
• 26:05
  interrupt and they got rid of flash.
• 26:10
  Thank you. And they've got they got rid of
• 26:13
  that. So like again, we we needed it.
• 26:15
  We needed a team. But in terms of this this
• 26:18
  movement issue, do you think it is an all or nothing?
• 26:22
  Do you think it might be something where we're hoping
• 26:26
  that these procs start stacking up so that when we get to start
• 26:31
  standing and delivering again, we get a little bit more damage?
• 26:35
  Because there are there are classes where they have burst
• 26:39
  windows. And so as long as that burst
• 26:40
  window isn't interrupted, you're still going to keep up and
• 26:43
  damage. There are classes that can just
• 26:45
  consistently deal damage. Where's elemental standing right
• 26:49
  now? Is it closer to 1 or the other?
• 26:52
  Yeah, you're thinking about like the old school fire mage, right?
• 26:55
  Or like they do damage for like 15 seconds and then they just
• 26:58
  run around for like 2 minutes when nothing matters because
• 27:01
  it's basically like 10% of their overall DPS outside of cool
• 27:05
  lands, right? But yeah, with Midnight, we also
• 27:08
  got quite significant nerves to Ascendance, right?
• 27:12
  So Ascendance has previously buffed all overloads by 150%
• 27:18
  that has been slashed 275, which is probably reasonable, right?
• 27:23
  Like with the new Ibex Apex talents, we get generally more
• 27:27
  overloads and all of that. And they also compensated
• 27:30
  generally, right? Like the the top end.
• 27:34
  So with the 75%, the overload still deal as much damage now as
• 27:40
  they did with the 150 before because they just buffed the
• 27:44
  baseline, right? So they did compensate in that
• 27:49
  sense, but that just means they took damage outs out of the
• 27:53
  cooldown window, right? How exactly that's going to work
• 27:59
  is speed up in the air, because we haven't finished implementing
• 28:03
  The Sims and all of that, right? So it's reasonable to say right
• 28:08
  now that we might, for example, be playing the two-minute
• 28:11
  Descendants because they changed our elementals, right?
• 28:15
  Previously, we could change, we could choose one of the
• 28:18
  elementals. It was like a 2.5 minute
• 28:20
  cooldown. We just put them down.
• 28:22
  He did his thing. Storm Elemental gave us some
• 28:26
  haste these days. Earlier was like a cast time
• 28:29
  reduction, which got a little crazy at times, but that's also
• 28:35
  for a different time of place. I, I I.
• 28:39
  Know you want to say it's a different time of place, but I
• 28:41
  feel like it's worth mentioning that the, the change to a haste
• 28:46
  buff instead of the further and further stacking cast time
• 28:53
  reduction just feels like such a loss of skill expression because
• 28:57
  you would, you would line up your, your cooldowns.
• 29:00
  You would, without going into the bug about about that, but
• 29:03
  you would line up your cooldowns, you'd get 3 instant
• 29:06
  casts right when you right when you sent that and that would get
• 29:09
  you going immediately. And then they cut it down so you
• 29:13
  could only stack it up to to a certain point because there was
• 29:16
  too many button presses in a short window and now it's a
• 29:19
  haste buff. So like that feels like a loss
• 29:24
  of skill. Expression, yeah, like as a
• 29:26
  short explanation, right? Like you.
• 29:28
  Normally the way World of Warcraft works is that you can
• 29:30
  stake haste up to like 100% and half the cool your GCD right
• 29:33
  from 1.5 forecast is down to .75.
• 29:37
  And on top of that you could then stake cast time reduction.
• 29:43
  So if memory serves we had 40% cast time reduction, right?
• 29:46
  So we could cast the lightning bolt every .4 seconds I think.
• 29:53
  And we had that up basically 100% of rate fights.
• 29:56
  So you just had to like do 2.5 button presses per second, which
• 30:03
  is, is a form of skill expression, I guess, but might
• 30:06
  not be the most, yeah, the the most sensible thing, the most
• 30:12
  healthy thing. Yeah, but I'm not particularly
• 30:15
  against it. Right.
• 30:15
  Like it's also one of the things where you just ignore everything
• 30:18
  else. You're not even pressing your
• 30:19
  spenders at some point because you're just spamming your
• 30:22
  generator because it's so fast. So just do that.
• 30:26
  But yeah, so they slash that in half at 1st and then at some
• 30:29
  point they rework that to haste, right.
• 30:32
  So it just kind of covers everything or covered everything
• 30:35
  now. But yeah, so they just said, OK,
• 30:39
  we're just going to remove the elementals as their own button,
• 30:42
  which fair enough, right? Like we have 3 minute
• 30:45
  descendants or two-minute descendants and then the 2.5
• 30:48
  minute cool down on top of that. So we're just going to delay
• 30:50
  that to 3 minutes all the time, Probably some, but then also
• 30:55
  faster reduces that further. So it's less than 2.5 and then
• 31:00
  nothing lines up and you're just confused, like doesn't really
• 31:04
  know what it wants to be. And it also wasn't particularly
• 31:07
  impactful anymore after all of the nerves.
• 31:10
  So how they did it now is that they just bound the fire
• 31:14
  elemental to ascendance. So if you press ascendance, you
• 31:17
  get the fire elemental. And when you press Stormkeeper,
• 31:20
  you don't get the lightning elemental anymore, you get the
• 31:22
  storm elemental now. And they just removed the haste
• 31:26
  from that storm elemental because with how often we're
• 31:30
  able to cast storm Keeper now, it's probably better to just
• 31:34
  have the pet and not have haste on top of that.
• 31:38
  Yeah, like some of that doesn't really work the way you want it
• 31:41
  to, right? Like fire mental extends your
• 31:44
  dots every newly applied flame shock and ascendance also
• 31:50
  applies flame shocks, but it applies to flame shocks first
• 31:52
  and then spawns the pets right now.
• 31:54
  So you just don't get the extended duration and stuff like
• 31:56
  that, which is just just feels weird.
• 32:00
  Just kind of, I don't know if that's an oversight or just like
• 32:02
  a mistake. I couldn't tell you.
• 32:06
  Yeah. So kind of getting away from all
• 32:08
  of that, those things, right? Like where, for example, storm
• 32:11
  elemental so strongly just only pressing lightning board or like
• 32:15
  fire mental being completely useless.
• 32:18
  Basically like the the thing that's 3% of the overall damage
• 32:21
  or something, maybe 5. So now they actually buffed that
• 32:25
  quite substantially, whether it's worth to play like all of
• 32:29
  the pet talents, Probably not really, but at least it feels
• 32:34
  like it does something now. And also it's just kind of
• 32:36
  automatically lines up now because if you press the button,
• 32:39
  both things happen, Descendants and the Filamento.
• 32:41
  So you're not just trying to work around that and
• 32:44
  everything's just kind of weird. And I mean, it's one of the
• 32:49
  stated design goals. So like every time you have to
• 32:52
  press 2 buttons always at the same time, why just not turn
• 32:55
  that into one button, right? Like why not make the macro that
• 32:58
  you're going to use anyway just into a thing that the game just
• 33:01
  gives you most? Definitely there was also in
• 33:10
  single target. Do you want an elemental blast?
• 33:12
  Do you want to do you want to send the shock?
• 33:15
  Now obviously air shock will help more in a in a movement
• 33:19
  heavy fight, but the bounce between those has always been
• 33:22
  like a a strange thing in midnight.
• 33:24
  Is it are they still competitive with each other?
• 33:27
  Is there a use case for both or currently?
• 33:30
  I guess this is something that would roll out in The Sims, but
• 33:34
  ideally where would you want it to be?
• 33:36
  I mean, honestly, even if Elemental Blast would be better
• 33:40
  in single target, you're not going to play that like you.
• 33:43
  You need to go places, you need to move.
• 33:45
  So just having an instant cast as a spender is definitely the
• 33:49
  better choice over just sitting there and casting another cast
• 33:54
  like an elemental blast for two seconds.
• 33:55
  Right? Because what would that leave
• 33:57
  lead you? You could use your storm keeper,
• 34:00
  whatever the coolerness with all the Cdr toes these days, kind of
• 34:04
  hard to figure out. Let's say every 30 seconds or
• 34:07
  something for like 2-3 instant cars depending on if you have
• 34:13
  like Tia or something. And then you also have a lava
• 34:18
  search which blocks every 2015 to 20 seconds, right?
• 34:24
  So if you have like 3 instant cars every 30 seconds or
• 34:28
  something, that might be not enough.
• 34:31
  I think so, yeah. You will definitely play your
• 34:34
  shock there for AOE for Mythic. Plus it's a bit up in the air
• 34:39
  because Elemental Blast is really strong.
• 34:42
  And the big problem with Elemental Blast for rate is also
• 34:48
  that Farseer, the expiring Farseers also caused Elemental
• 34:53
  Blast, right? So you get the stats anyway.
• 34:56
  So I'm getting even more stats. At some point you're just going
• 34:58
  to cap out. You just have all of them.
• 35:01
  And similarly, because overloads also count and with the Apex
• 35:07
  sounds, we're going to get overloads on all overloads.
• 35:11
  You will probably have enough of those just by default.
• 35:15
  But yeah, so we will see in Mythic Plus when you're playing
• 35:19
  like Stormbringer or something like that, whether it's worth to
• 35:22
  just get the extra stats. But to be fair, like they've
• 35:28
  changed fusion, the spell I mentioned earlier where Ice Fury
• 35:32
  kind of had these things that just would prock an elemental
• 35:35
  blast at some point, now that ICU doesn't exist, can't really
• 35:38
  do that anymore. So there's also another talent
• 35:42
  called Power of the Malstrom, which like every time you cast
• 35:45
  lava burst, you have a chance for the next lightning bolt or
• 35:47
  chain lightning to overload an additional time.
• 35:51
  And that also triggers fusion now.
• 35:53
  And because we are actually lava bursting in AOE again, we just
• 35:56
  get it that way. We get Elemental Blast in AOE,
• 36:01
  so we do still have some of them.
• 36:05
  Whether that's going to be too many already to also pick
• 36:09
  Elemental Blast as like a cast is yet to be seen.
• 36:14
  Like, yeah, not. Really true.
• 36:18
  The value of the choice is being diminished by the fact that
• 36:20
  you're getting it anyways from all these other sources.
• 36:25
  Yeah. Speaking about value, we sort of
• 36:30
  mentioned it, but we should say it out loud for listeners.
• 36:33
  Tell us about the Apex talent and the the love of overloads.
• 36:38
  All right, so yeah, let me actually get that, pull that up
• 36:45
  so I can actually have correct numbers on that one.
• 36:49
  The name is feedback loop, right?
• 36:50
  I, I don't know if everyone's aware of how the apex sounds
• 36:54
  work right? Blizzard just changed it.
• 36:56
  Like there's an extra node at the bottom of the tree now with
• 36:59
  like a zero out of four. It's like an extra circle.
• 37:02
  And the whole idea is that you can put four points into it.
• 37:06
  The first point, the 2nd and the 3rd together, and the third is
• 37:11
  like 3 different talents. I I think this is a very poor
• 37:16
  way to phrase it. But like the first point you put
• 37:19
  into feedback loop gives you extra elemental overload damage,
• 37:23
  the second point gives you extra quick chance and quick damage,
• 37:27
  and the last point gives you I think it's a 50% chance for all
• 37:30
  of your overloads to then trigger more overloads.
• 37:34
  I haven't actually have had the time to completely test that how
• 37:39
  that actually works. Because right now right?
• 37:41
  Like a normal spell, a normal lightning bolt can overload,
• 37:45
  then Descendants gives it an extra overload so it overloads
• 37:48
  twice, then Power of the Maelstrom can make it overload
• 37:50
  an additional time so that's three times, and then
• 37:52
  Supercharge can make it overload 1/4 time.
• 37:55
  If every one of these roles now has a 50% to also overload, so
• 38:00
  you could have 8 overloads on one singular spell cast, that
• 38:04
  would be a lot. And I've never seen that in any
• 38:06
  of the logs I looked at or any of the testing that I've done.
• 38:09
  So I don't think that is actually works that way.
• 38:14
  The assumption right now would just be that it does like a 50%
• 38:17
  role on every one of them up until it like succeeds, right?
• 38:21
  And so it's like kept at one additional overload.
• 38:24
  That would be the assumption. That's usually how it sounds
• 38:26
  like these work, but I honestly don't even know because it's not
• 38:29
  on the pre patch. So I still have time until the
• 38:31
  actual expansion launches to figure out exactly how that
• 38:34
  works. But anyway, no, it's it's part
• 38:39
  of what I said, right? Like, well, we just put even
• 38:42
  more emphasis on overloads. We have a chance to get more
• 38:45
  overloads from the town and also the overloads are doing more
• 38:48
  damage. So that just kind of makes it
• 38:52
  feel or it makes it look better because overloads of the
• 38:55
  animation. So I like, it's just kind of the
• 38:57
  thing that elemental does, just have more of everything pretty.
• 39:02
  Much that turrent set up. I mean it's the same thing for
• 39:07
  like the quid right? Normally in World of Warcraft a
• 39:10
  quid does double damage. Do you have an the idea how much
• 39:14
  damage to quit from elemento shaman does now?
• 39:17
  I thought it was 250%, but now that you've got that scaling on
• 39:22
  top of it, I, I, I don't know. Yeah, Yeah, it goes up to 300%
• 39:28
  now, right? Like just from or 325, even just
• 39:32
  from your normal talents, you get like an extra 50% and then
• 39:35
  an additional 25% on top of that.
• 39:37
  It's like for elemental shaman and normal quit value would be
• 39:40
  like 200 a math 100 to 75%. And now you then get like 50% or
• 39:49
  2 * 25% on top of that. So yeah, like you get two 325%
• 39:55
  quit damage on all of your spells and then you have
• 39:58
  something. They change Lava Burst now,
• 40:00
  because Lava Burst always quits, right?
• 40:03
  So usually we had like a problem where quit was very bad because
• 40:07
  it always quit anyway, so just get other stats.
• 40:13
  But now that spell also scales with quit chance.
• 40:16
  So lava Burst might just be doing like 380 four 100% quit
• 40:22
  damage or something. Now, which that is a lot, I'm
• 40:26
  not entirely sure. But yeah, I mean, high numbers
• 40:31
  are fun. And I don't think it's actually
• 40:33
  going to be much of A like gambling issue, like on G issue
• 40:36
  where you just sit there like, oh, I didn't quit on my spell.
• 40:38
  So now I don't do any damage, right?
• 40:39
  Like we have so many instances, so many cars, so many things
• 40:44
  happening that just kind of normalizes pretty easily, right?
• 40:48
  And we don't really rely on quits for anything mechanical,
• 40:51
  right? Like we're not saying like I
• 40:53
  need a quit for my thing to proc because otherwise I can't press
• 40:56
  my button because things like that just kind of lead to issue,
• 41:00
  lead to very big swinginess at times.
• 41:02
  So I like fire mage had that problem historically where like
• 41:06
  if you didn't have enough quid to actually get like your
• 41:08
  pyroblasts up and your hot streaks and everything, you just
• 41:13
  couldn't really do much, which not really the case anymore.
• 41:17
  They kind of worked around there now.
• 41:20
  But yeah, so like a lot of the numbers things or something look
• 41:24
  very crazy now because of all of the additional multipliers on
• 41:30
  top of each other. But yeah, so Apex talents, I
• 41:36
  think they designed it with the goal in mind to have those
• 41:39
  always be picked. And I think they succeeded, at
• 41:41
  least for Elemental, which would be kind of a shame, right?
• 41:45
  Like you could just write purely mechanically.
• 41:49
  You could just ignore it and just put more spell more points
• 41:52
  into the bottom of the tree normally, but if you have like
• 41:56
  this new shiny thing and just completely ignore it, that would
• 41:59
  be kind of a waste. Yeah, I, I, I'd like that.
• 42:03
  It's definitely something that people would love to to play
• 42:08
  around with. And so far shamans have been
• 42:12
  winning with that two out of three.
• 42:15
  We'll see what happens when we get over to Resto, but is there
• 42:20
  build where you could see working without it?
• 42:24
  It just seems so good that like it would almost feel foolhardy
• 42:29
  not to use it. I mean the problem isn't even
• 42:33
  how good it is, the problem is just how bad everything else is.
• 42:39
  We are sitting in the situation right now where I'm thinking or
• 42:42
  whether currently recommended build by us without Sims.
• 42:46
  Right? So we don't have the hard
• 42:47
  numbers on it, but the currently recommended build is taking
• 42:50
  voltaic place and purging flames in single target.
• 42:56
  Voltaic place is basically just a glorified flame shock right?
• 43:00
  Like it also does some damage, but because it doesn't really
• 43:03
  scale with everything because it's bucked, I guess it deals
• 43:08
  less than you would expect. And at the end of the day, it's
• 43:14
  not really that much damage. And then you'd take like purging
• 43:17
  flames, which is this, this new cleave talent, right?
• 43:22
  Which was like the primordial wave effect previously, where
• 43:25
  like the lava burst just hits all of the targets with a flame
• 43:29
  shock on it, which does nothing in single target from that
• 43:33
  cleave mechanic. But it also says lava burst
• 43:36
  damage increased by 10%. So that alone is probably enough
• 43:40
  to just have it be viable. Like the 3% DPS that you gain
• 43:43
  from this 10% buff. It's probably good enough.
• 43:48
  I mean, yeah, I guess that that's great if you're doing a
• 43:53
  fight like the tic tac toe boss in the in the new raid where
• 43:58
  early on it's single target. And so I guess this is good
• 44:00
  enough for single target. But as you get into the the
• 44:03
  cleave situation where the summoning, the ads, being able
• 44:06
  to use the enhanced flame, flame shock voltaic to to start on the
• 44:14
  that AOE, get the lava burst onto a bunch of them gives you
• 44:20
  like that AOE on demand on very short demand because the
• 44:23
  cooldown of voltaic is is quite low.
• 44:26
  So I guess that's good. But the fact that it's it's
• 44:29
  there even at a pure single target feels like you said, like
• 44:33
  the rest of the talents are lacking.
• 44:35
  So what could use the Shine for Elementals talents?
• 44:41
  I mean just just to mention it right, like because you said
• 44:46
  that you can just flexibly I, I forgot how you phrase this like
• 44:49
  you can just use the voltaic place to just dot them up
• 44:52
  immediately, which is technically true, but also not
• 44:56
  really right because flame shock has an 82nd 18 second duration,
• 45:01
  right? And the cooldown on voltaic
• 45:03
  place is 15 seconds. So you're basically pressing it
• 45:07
  on cool down just to keep the dot up in single target anyway,
• 45:11
  right? Because there's also no procs or
• 45:13
  anything anymore. Like show when you press
• 45:15
  ascendance you get your flame shock up and also you get the
• 45:18
  filamental. So you get like 1 double
• 45:20
  duration flame shock. But generally you always have to
• 45:23
  press it every 15 seconds just exactly there.
• 45:27
  So if you press it and then you have the ADS spawning like 8
• 45:31
  seconds later, well, that's kind of an issue, right?
• 45:35
  You can just not press it, I guess.
• 45:36
  And then you don't have a flame shock active, so you can't
• 45:39
  really press your lava burst anymore, which that's also
• 45:42
  awkward, right? Like a lot of people want to see
• 45:46
  flame shock come back. So Voltaic Place wouldn't
• 45:49
  replace flame shock entirely. It's just an additional button
• 45:52
  for that reason. So you just have it on.
• 45:54
  You have just flame shock readily available, maybe still
• 45:56
  with the short colon that it has right now, just use on the boss
• 46:01
  or something or on whatever main target.
• 46:03
  And then you just have that as like a cleafing or a wee thing,
• 46:06
  whatever you want to call it leads to some other issues
• 46:10
  technically. And I mean, the intended goal
• 46:13
  here is to kind of cut back on buttons.
• 46:14
  So it's just having like those redundant buttons just both
• 46:18
  living there on your boss. It's just kind of awkward.
• 46:22
  So I see why they didn't do it that way.
• 46:24
  I see why they haven't replaced that, but so yeah, just to
• 46:30
  mention that I kind of forgot what your your actual question
• 46:33
  was that you asked me. Could you repeat that?
• 46:35
  Do you remember? Oh man, we got so into the
• 46:37
  weeds, but it was basically what talents need the shine in order
• 46:43
  to give Elemental some some options like.
• 46:48
  Yeah. I mean, the, The thing is like
• 46:49
  we have what is it now 15 or so talents down in the bottom there
• 46:56
  and four of those nodes of all those points are just voltaic
• 47:00
  place. So the moment you decide I will
• 47:03
  not take voltaic place at all, you just kind of pick everything
• 47:06
  else. That's just kind of how that
• 47:08
  works out, right? Generally, you could probably
• 47:12
  say that all the pet talents, like what is it?
• 47:23
  Everlasting Elements, that's the name, increases the duration of
• 47:27
  the elemental slightly, and it basically just says they get one
• 47:30
  more cast in when they're alive, right?
• 47:33
  So for something like a fire elemental that gets spawned
• 47:36
  every 3 minutes, let's say, right, if you're not even
• 47:40
  playing all of the other elemental talents, just having
• 47:44
  like it does one more cast doesn't really matter that much.
• 47:49
  It's kind of a little disappointing, kind of
• 47:54
  questionable though, how many points you actually want to put
• 47:57
  into your passive pet talent. So I like, I do.
• 48:01
  I'm not the biggest fan of the elementals.
• 48:03
  I'm not the biggest fan of the pets.
• 48:05
  I do like the flavour that they give.
• 48:06
  I like the whole like, OK, we're drawing in the primal elementals
• 48:10
  and manifestations of them. It's just kind of cool, sure,
• 48:14
  but just have like the dude next to you is just casting emulated
• 48:18
  Fire blast or something and that's it.
• 48:21
  And then sometimes he just turns around because he doesn't find a
• 48:23
  way to actually get to the boss and just kind of fails.
• 48:27
  Like we added a lot of the time now in the War Within where I
• 48:31
  had friends that just sent me clips where like one of their
• 48:34
  elementals just balled into the last room in Priory and just
• 48:37
  pulled everything. We still don't know how that
• 48:40
  happened, but yeah, that happened consistently for some
• 48:45
  people. So yeah, like all of the pet
• 48:47
  talons kind of could use some love, in my opinion.
• 48:50
  Again, it would kind of make sense that it doesn't happen
• 48:54
  right now just because they want to have a lot of passive
• 48:57
  talents, right? And also they have reworked,
• 49:01
  removed, added a good few things, right?
• 49:05
  So at that point, you just kind of touch everything, which that
• 49:09
  was never expected to happen here, But yeah, so those talents
• 49:16
  could use some love. I mean, I'm personally not the
• 49:18
  biggest fan of all of the passive stat notes that they've
• 49:21
  that they're bringing in with Midnight.
• 49:23
  But like we have a talent that just gives you a 3% mastery,
• 49:26
  which another one that just gives you 3% haste, another one
• 49:32
  that increases your elemental damage by 2%, then another one
• 49:34
  that gives you 3% more elemental damage and all of that.
• 49:39
  So all of those, well, it's like, here's a number you doubt
• 49:44
  deal 2% more damage. OK, I guess that's fine.
• 49:49
  I guess having cursive talents is kind of OK, but also it's
• 49:53
  kind of uninteresting. We've gotten 3 new talents and
• 49:59
  each of the hero talents, are those much the same sort of
• 50:03
  passive, uninteresting ones, or are there any highlights in
• 50:06
  those? I guess start with the Farsi
• 50:10
  year. Yeah, I mean, Farcia is pretty
• 50:13
  boring, right? Farcia, one of them now now
• 50:18
  names, I think it's Mystic Knowledge gives you 1% intellect
• 50:22
  per active ancestor, right? So generally you have like your
• 50:28
  ancestor Swiftness and your Stormkeeper, both of them spawn
• 50:30
  once you have 2% more into the 2% more damage.
• 50:33
  Great. OK.
• 50:35
  Then. You can also just randomly spawn
• 50:37
  more still, so sometimes it might be 3%, but yeah, so that's
• 50:43
  pretty boring in my opinion. Then you have another one that's
• 50:49
  called Windspeaker, which basically just reduces some cast
• 50:52
  times by 10%, including Lava Burst.
• 50:56
  Can you notice that? Yes.
• 50:58
  If I take the tone point out and then put it back in and just sit
• 51:01
  there and just compare those two cast times, I will be able to
• 51:04
  notice. But in normal gameplay also just
• 51:08
  becomes normal, right? Like if, if every if if it's
• 51:11
  always 10% faster than just the new cast time of it.
• 51:13
  It's just there and then the last point just gives you like
• 51:20
  an extra 20% proc way proc chance for lava surges, which
• 51:25
  doesn't mean that it goes from 10 to 30%.
• 51:27
  It just means it goes from 11:50 as far as we can tell, which I
• 51:33
  don't really notice the difference.
• 51:35
  Right? Like if it's if I get a pluck
• 51:37
  every, what is it in 20 seconds or every 18?
• 51:42
  Not really something that I can personally notice.
• 51:46
  Oh, sorry, go on. Sorry, I think it the only time
• 51:51
  that like, like obviously you're going to have all these talents
• 51:54
  and so you won't notice it, but it it'll make a difference if
• 51:59
  the proc comes up earlier when you're when you're dealing with
• 52:03
  movement. But it's because this change is
• 52:05
  so small and so passive and so unnoticeable.
• 52:10
  Yeah. Like it's OK.
• 52:14
  We were about to go over to Stormbringer.
• 52:16
  Any better talents there? Yeah.
• 52:18
  Yeah, I do think so. Right.
• 52:19
  Like the first town Stormwell basically just says casting
• 52:24
  Stormkeeper gives you 10 maelstrom and your storm
• 52:27
  elemental, which is spawned by casting Stormkeeper last two
• 52:30
  seconds longer, 2 seconds, right?
• 52:32
  Like it's, it's a cast doesn't really matter much.
• 52:34
  But having some actual milestone generation, having something
• 52:38
  happen when you press a button like Stormkeeper is kind of
• 52:40
  neat. Don't think it necessarily
• 52:44
  needed it, but I mean, it's generally a thing that they want
• 52:47
  to do and a thing that I appreciate.
• 52:49
  Well, like they say, don't just have empty globals, right?
• 52:51
  We're not sitting there and press a button and then nothing
• 52:54
  happens and then I press another button and then the thing
• 52:56
  happens. But just every button is
• 52:58
  supposed to have immediate feedback, which I think is
• 53:01
  reasonable for a game like this, right?
• 53:04
  The second talent, I don't even remember the name, it's just 2%
• 53:08
  nature damage. Yeah, wasn't really too much,
• 53:11
  not really interesting. The last one is called
• 53:13
  Descending Skies, and they basically took the idea from our
• 53:17
  current tier set. And every time you cast
• 53:21
  Descendants, you just get a Tempest, which that's kind of
• 53:26
  cool, all right? Like because when you play
• 53:30
  Stormbringer, you're kind of go fishing for Tempest before you
• 53:34
  press Ascendance anyway. But sometimes you just can't do
• 53:38
  that, right? Sometimes the proc just doesn't
• 53:39
  happen or something. So being able to just have the
• 53:43
  proc every time you press the button is just kind of neat.
• 53:48
  OK, yeah, that does sound better.
• 53:51
  On top of that though, I believe the way that Tempest now works
• 53:56
  for Elemental has changed. So like going from the War
• 54:03
  Within, how was it in the War Within and how is it now?
• 54:06
  Well, it hasn't really changed, but also it has, right?
• 54:10
  Like previously there were two different ways that you could
• 54:14
  get storm stormwater, like Tempest box, right?
• 54:17
  One of them was just like every 300 miles from spent you would
• 54:21
  get them, right? So what we did was like have
• 54:23
  counters there that just counted how many miles from you spend in
• 54:28
  like a run or something. And then that didn't really work
• 54:30
  sometimes. And the week ours were bugging
• 54:33
  out or the counting in game didn't really work and it was
• 54:36
  just kind of annoying. And then the other way was like
• 54:39
  every time you cast lightning mode or chain lightning, it was
• 54:42
  like an RPPM. So like a time normalized random
• 54:46
  effect that just poked something and that after you had was 3
• 54:58
  after poked 3 times, you just got The Tempest, right.
• 55:01
  So how it works now is that every time you spend Maelstrom,
• 55:06
  there's like a chance for it to happen.
• 55:07
  That scales with how much milestone we spend, right?
• 55:09
  So if it's a more expensive thing, it's more likely.
• 55:12
  So it's basically the same idea as deeply rooted elements, the
• 55:17
  sentence book that we had in War Within.
• 55:23
  So just like a mixed mash of different things.
• 55:26
  It just kind of feels the same still because you you press your
• 55:29
  spender, you get The Tempest at some point right?
• 55:31
  Too much. If that's also normalized, I
• 55:33
  would. Assume that it is at this point,
• 55:35
  because most things Blizzards has in terms of RNG now I'll
• 55:38
  just kind of forced to have procs after a certain amount of
• 55:42
  time or something like that, right?
• 55:44
  Because being completely swingy, like sometimes you just sit
• 55:47
  there, press your spend the three times you just have 3
• 55:50
  Tempest and sometimes you just press it 10 times and nothing
• 55:53
  happens at all. So.
• 55:56
  Yeah, that. Was changed.
• 55:59
  I do think that it's for the better generally because sitting
• 56:05
  there with the 300 counter, for example, right?
• 56:08
  Like if you are at the end of a poll and you're sitting at 280
• 56:13
  spend and you know, like the next time you press your
• 56:15
  earthquake or whatever, you will get this this proc, but you're
• 56:19
  just sitting there like fighting one enemy.
• 56:21
  So what do you do? We just not pressing your
• 56:23
  spending anymore. That's not really good
• 56:26
  generally, whether the change. Actually solves that.
• 56:33
  Is it? Is written more different piece,
• 56:36
  right? Because we found out.
• 56:40
  On. The guy in the discord arc found
• 56:43
  out that deeply rooted elements is based on like a deck of cards
• 56:48
  thing right? So you know, like every time or
• 56:50
  every, I don't remember the numbers of the top right now,
• 56:53
  every 30 times you press your spender you would get 2 procs or
• 56:55
  something like that, right? It's kind of the idea so.
• 57:02
  We just started. Tracking that with we.
• 57:04
  Goers. So we just could tell, hey, we
• 57:07
  cannot get an ascendance block now or we have to get one now.
• 57:10
  So if we were highly likely to get one at the end of a pack, we
• 57:13
  just would stop spending. And if we knew that we couldn't
• 57:17
  get one, we would just try to get more spenders out to just
• 57:19
  psyche through that really quick to try to get the deck stack,
• 57:25
  yeah, for the next pack, right. And yeah.
• 57:30
  All of that kind of thing. Might still exist now with
• 57:33
  Tempest, right? We haven't really looked much
• 57:36
  into how the randomness works there, but you can assume that
• 57:41
  if it's worded the same way and just kind of works the same way
• 57:43
  that it might just use the same RNG, right?
• 57:46
  So that's a bit of a concern, but other than that it's just
• 57:52
  generally better now. OK, so then with.
• 57:56
  All those concerns with the way that it had to be tracked, does
• 58:01
  elemental lose out more than most classes with the changes to
• 58:04
  the API? The quote UN quote add on
• 58:08
  Apocalypse well. I don't think so.
• 58:15
  All of the things that we wanted to track are just kind of gone
• 58:18
  now. There are some things.
• 58:22
  Like. I alluded to it a few times
• 58:25
  like. Lava Search.
• 58:26
  Kind of works in a way that system you can just kind of
• 58:29
  predict when your procs are happening.
• 58:32
  We have never really tracked that because it's just kind of
• 58:35
  annoying and no one really likes it.
• 58:38
  We would have probably started tracking it in midnight because
• 58:41
  there's really nothing else to track and really nothing else to
• 58:44
  do. But now we can't.
• 58:45
  So I guess that's fine. And all of the box or the weird
• 58:53
  mechanics or the things that Blizzard didn't allow us to
• 58:55
  track that we had, we got us to work around, they just removed
• 58:57
  now. So now with the new system.
• 59:02
  Like the deck? Of card thing that I talked
• 59:05
  about right now with Tempest, right, like being able to track
• 59:07
  that would be kind of nice. You probably could still track
• 59:12
  that if you're just kind of degenerate enough and just kind
• 59:16
  of have like an extra button that just tells you, hey, I just
• 59:18
  got a Tempest, right, so you could just macro more things.
• 59:21
  And it's that that's my concern for all that.
• 59:24
  I don't apocalypse thing, right? Like we are where people just
• 59:27
  are not going to sit there and just accept it.
• 59:30
  But we'll just try to work around everything.
• 59:33
  I know that we like in preparation for this, we had a
• 59:36
  few conversations about like ways people figured out how to
• 59:40
  kind of bypass and circumvent some of the things that Blizzard
• 59:43
  try to not really allow you to do.
• 59:48
  So I'm just kind of. Concerned that we have.
• 59:51
  To or that people will do stuff like that.
• 59:54
  But I mean, at some point you're just going to have to blame the
• 59:56
  player for that, right? I mean, game design only goes so
• 59:59
  far. If people want to be degenerate
• 1:00:00
  about it, they will always be. And if at the end of the day,
• 1:00:04
  they have to use like ACT like this Final Fantasy thing that
• 1:00:07
  just reads your network traffic and reads your screen and just
• 1:00:11
  kind of does all of that, which is against TOS, right?
• 1:00:15
  Like it's, it's technically not allowed for either final or for
• 1:00:18
  World of Warcraft, but we will probably start doing that at
• 1:00:21
  some point if the if the gain that they can get from it is
• 1:00:25
  high enough, right? I don't think that's actually
• 1:00:28
  the case for Elemental right now.
• 1:00:30
  I am personally kind of sad about losing some of the new
• 1:00:34
  ones, losing some of that whole thing and because you were
• 1:00:38
  talking about like. The add on Apocalypse.
• 1:00:40
  Specifically some of the cooldown manager settings and
• 1:00:42
  all of that don't really mesh well with like tracking debuffs
• 1:00:47
  and stuff like that. So like before take place.
• 1:00:49
  And if you're just trying to figure out, OK, what's my flame
• 1:00:51
  shock duration, when should I refresh?
• 1:00:53
  What's the pandemic when, when? No, I'd like the point where I
• 1:00:56
  have to reapply the dot to not lose any value out of that.
• 1:01:01
  You can't really do that anymore.
• 1:01:03
  They just kind of don't track that well enough in my opinion.
• 1:01:08
  I'm not I I haven't researched enough to know whether there's
• 1:01:12
  like an add on that does it at this point already or I wouldn't
• 1:01:17
  expect that to be. I don't think it you can
• 1:01:19
  actually do that, but either they're going to relax those
• 1:01:23
  restrictions a bit or maybe someone will find a workaround
• 1:01:27
  or it's just how we're going to have to live now, right?
• 1:01:30
  It is a. It is a hard thing.
• 1:01:33
  Even though we're only one dot, so you would think that it would
• 1:01:36
  be fairly easy for us. The problem with the variable
• 1:01:39
  length when you can have the elemental extend extended means
• 1:01:43
  that you can't simply say like, hey, after I send it, let's say
• 1:01:49
  15 seconds later, it's now in pandemic window.
• 1:01:51
  Because if you've doubled that, that distance, sorry, that
• 1:01:55
  duration, you're, you're clipping a lot.
• 1:01:57
  So yeah, it is hard for elemental shaman.
• 1:02:02
  But like I think we would be doing a disservice if we didn't
• 1:02:06
  talk about elementals, defensives and where that is
• 1:02:10
  with the war, with the war then going into midnight.
• 1:02:14
  So I'll give you the floor for this one.
• 1:02:17
  Yeah, I mean, it's part of the whole pruning, right?
• 1:02:19
  Like. Generally, I think it's fair to
• 1:02:21
  say that most specs, if not all specs, lost some defensive
• 1:02:24
  capabilities. The problem is just where do you
• 1:02:27
  start, right? Like for Elemental, we started
• 1:02:30
  with, well, two, let's say. 3 defensives, right?
• 1:02:38
  We have Astral Shift which is our main defensive.
• 1:02:40
  It's like 2 minute cooldown reduces all damage by 40%.
• 1:02:44
  It's generally pretty good with the choice talent I know.
• 1:02:48
  You can either buff it so. It reduces more damage or you
• 1:02:52
  reduce it down to a minute 30, which most often you do that
• 1:02:55
  because 40% basically covers everything dangerous in the
• 1:02:58
  game. But like if you don't live it
• 1:03:01
  with a 40%, you're also going to live with a 60% Dr., So whatever
• 1:03:07
  the second thing that. We have.
• 1:03:09
  Or had and have Is the F elemental right like the F
• 1:03:14
  elemental when you summon it will give you what is it now 10%
• 1:03:19
  HP or is it drop 1515 still? Yeah. 15, yeah.
• 1:03:27
  OK, they changed it previously. Was like a 5 minute.
• 1:03:29
  Cooldown and with a one minute duration.
• 1:03:31
  Now it's through 2.5 minute cooldown with a 3 minute
• 1:03:36
  cooldown with a 32nd duration. I think that's correct and also.
• 1:03:42
  They took the. Health gain out of the elemental
• 1:03:45
  and put that into an extra talent node.
• 1:03:46
  So you just kind of have to take an extra talent now, which it
• 1:03:50
  doesn't really matter. We're not really start 4 points
• 1:03:52
  in the class 3, but it's just kind of awkward that you have to
• 1:03:55
  pick talents now for things that you had previously, I guess.
• 1:03:58
  But I don't personally care much for that kind of logic, so.
• 1:04:05
  The problem with that? Notice that it also turns off
• 1:04:07
  your taunt for the pet right? Like previously when you were
• 1:04:11
  dying in the dungeon or like your tank died, you just press
• 1:04:14
  earth elemental and it's probably going to live for like
• 1:04:17
  5 seconds, maybe 10 which is usually enough for a tank to.
• 1:04:22
  Get rest and cast. Like something to maybe try to
• 1:04:27
  get some aggro back or something.
• 1:04:30
  I definitely found a full wipe, yeah.
• 1:04:35
  I mean. I definitely use it a lot for
• 1:04:37
  that during my bugging areas or eras.
• 1:04:42
  So yeah, like. Now with it.
• 1:04:44
  Not being able to taunt. Anymore.
• 1:04:45
  I mean you can still summon it, it just doesn't do anything.
• 1:04:48
  If your tank dies, you will just die anyway, so kind of a bit of
• 1:04:54
  a loss there. Or you.
• 1:04:55
  Just keep it having the taunt and then you just don't get the
• 1:04:58
  HP, which maybe that's a choice for my big plus.
• 1:05:01
  But then you just lost your defensive right?
• 1:05:04
  And thirdly, like the actual defence that we lost, stumble
• 1:05:08
  walk told him gave us a shield, not the biggest shield ever.
• 1:05:12
  Think it was like 2025% of your health or something like that.
• 1:05:15
  And then it also gave you like a ticking shield every few
• 1:05:18
  seconds. So what's kind of need against
• 1:05:20
  like damage overtime effects? Not really the best spell to
• 1:05:24
  save you from like a nuke for like a big damage event, but
• 1:05:28
  usually it's served you well enough.
• 1:05:31
  That's completely removed now, right?
• 1:05:33
  Which turns really quickly into an issue if you also go to that,
• 1:05:37
  that our self healing basically doesn't exist.
• 1:05:40
  I'm not entirely sure how this that squish affected that, but
• 1:05:43
  like our self healing is pitiful now.
• 1:05:45
  Like we just can't do anything with it to my understanding.
• 1:05:51
  Enhancement, at least, can. Still heal themselves with
• 1:05:55
  maelstrom weapons weapon stacks. But the way that it works now is
• 1:05:59
  you spend and then your healing Search afterwards, right?
• 1:06:03
  So you're just kind of sit there and just have to also have it so
• 1:06:07
  late that it doesn't really save you in the moment anymore.
• 1:06:09
  You have to prepare it and then it's late anyway.
• 1:06:12
  We're here to talk about elemental.
• 1:06:16
  So for us, Healing Stream Totem doesn't do anything.
• 1:06:18
  Healing Search doesn't do anything.
• 1:06:20
  The only extra thing that we got is some or two new talents about
• 1:06:26
  Earth Shield or like Earth Shields put on yourself.
• 1:06:30
  It has like 9 stacks, maybe 12 if you're suspect into that, and
• 1:06:35
  every time you take damage it heals.
• 1:06:36
  You for a bit. And there's a new talent that
• 1:06:39
  just says it never loses stacks and to heals you for 15 more
• 1:06:42
  percent. Is it a lot?
• 1:06:45
  No. Really isn't anything to write
• 1:06:47
  home about, No. Currently, because of some
• 1:06:52
  clever use of game mechanics, you can just kind of double the
• 1:06:56
  healing output from Earth Shield, which makes it at least
• 1:07:02
  worth a a mention. But that's a bug and I don't
• 1:07:05
  really expect that to stay in for Midnight, so I think they
• 1:07:09
  need to make it a default behavior.
• 1:07:11
  It's worthless. Without it, I'm sorry.
• 1:07:15
  I like. Yeah.
• 1:07:18
  Anyways, go ahead. No, go on.
• 1:07:18
  No. It's it's such an anemic heel.
• 1:07:25
  Even if it just stays on and every time there is a damage
• 1:07:29
  event, because it does have its own internal cooldown, you're
• 1:07:31
  not going to catch every damage event, right?
• 1:07:33
  But every time you you have a damage event, you get a little
• 1:07:36
  bit more health back. It's still not doing it.
• 1:07:42
  Like I don't think a healer is going to notice the difference
• 1:07:45
  between somebody who's got an earth shield on and somebody who
• 1:07:47
  doesn't in terms of like 2 shamans standing beside each
• 1:07:51
  other. And it that is with such a waste
• 1:07:55
  of talents. That you're putting into it and.
• 1:07:57
  Such a waste of a button press if you so happen to go with the
• 1:08:00
  other choice, which I'll leave for you to explain.
• 1:08:03
  Oh yeah. I mean, it's it's basically the
• 1:08:05
  question I. Like either you're going to have
• 1:08:07
  the thing where it just doesn't lose any sticks, so you just
• 1:08:10
  have it on yourself. You heal, I don't know, maybe a
• 1:08:13
  health ball over 5 minute fight or something.
• 1:08:15
  I honestly don't even know the number for that.
• 1:08:18
  But as you said, like 3 seconds. I think it's the internal
• 1:08:20
  cooldown, so every 3 seconds you can heal at all.
• 1:08:24
  Which the next question is OK. Do you even take damage every 3
• 1:08:27
  seconds on the fight? Like smaller one or slotch fist
• 1:08:31
  or something like that where you have like the permanent AOE just
• 1:08:34
  ticking on you? Yes you will just completely
• 1:08:38
  saturate that ICD. You will just get to heal all
• 1:08:41
  the time and even then it's kind of bad right?
• 1:08:44
  But in a normal fight where you just take damage every so often,
• 1:08:49
  it's just kind of useless, right?
• 1:08:50
  And then you're also saying that like, OK.
• 1:08:52
  With Farcier, if you're specced into that choice, note you go
• 1:08:57
  out from 9:00 to 12:00 charges, but like after you got healed 12
• 1:09:01
  times you're going to have to press the button again, right?
• 1:09:04
  I mean, technically you can't even have.
• 1:09:06
  The Earth shield on 2. People but just don't bother.
• 1:09:09
  I mean, put it on there pre combat, I guess, but other than
• 1:09:12
  that it's just there's really no point, right?
• 1:09:16
  The alternative choice note on that right now is something
• 1:09:19
  where like every time you refresh Earth Shield, you just
• 1:09:22
  get like a big heal depending on how many charges you're missing,
• 1:09:27
  whether that's going to be. Useful or not is also kind.
• 1:09:30
  Of up in the air, because I mean, it's probably it's
• 1:09:33
  probably nice if it's if it works, it works.
• 1:09:36
  So I like if you need a heal and your sex are low and you can
• 1:09:39
  just press the button and you just get like a pick like 30,000
• 1:09:44
  HP heal or something after the scratch that squish.
• 1:09:47
  That's kind of cool. But also if you're saying that
• 1:09:50
  if you have 11 charges or something of the 12 and then you
• 1:09:53
  press the button, nothing happens, All right.
• 1:09:56
  If you have to actually have it expire, nothing happens if you
• 1:09:59
  have to refresh it when you're full HP or you just don't need
• 1:10:02
  the heal immediately yet I mean you get healed sure, but it's
• 1:10:06
  wasted. So at the end of the day it's
• 1:10:10
  just not readily available right.
• 1:10:11
  So not really much you can do about it.
• 1:10:14
  Yeah, the the way that I. I'm looking at this, is that
• 1:10:19
  with our conversation about not having enough things to do while
• 1:10:23
  you're moving or ways to fill that gap, it might be that like,
• 1:10:28
  you're below, you're below X amount of charges.
• 1:10:32
  It's worth pressing before you go back into combat in a
• 1:10:38
  progression situation where you get pushed out and you're like,
• 1:10:40
  oh, I guess I can't, I don't have anything to press in this
• 1:10:44
  button. Here's the last thing that you
• 1:10:45
  do to just give yourself a little bit of health going back
• 1:10:48
  in. Yeah, I mean, maybe right, But.
• 1:10:51
  Even at that point. If you're expecting to the thing
• 1:10:53
  where it doesn't lose charges, you don't need to reapply it.
• 1:10:56
  If you put, If you're expecting to the thing where it heals you,
• 1:10:59
  you don't really want to use it as a movement global because you
• 1:11:01
  want to have, you want to stay at low charges to be able to
• 1:11:04
  heal yourself, right? So it doesn't, it just doesn't
• 1:11:08
  really make sense. It's, I mean, I, I understand
• 1:11:11
  what I, I do think that I understand what they're trying
• 1:11:14
  to go with, right? Like previously, if you just had
• 1:11:17
  to replay it and nothing happened, it just kind of felt
• 1:11:19
  like a waste of global because it is.
• 1:11:22
  And so them just giving like something to happen in the
• 1:11:25
  moment when you reapply that, it's just kind of cool.
• 1:11:30
  But yeah. I mean the only other.
• 1:11:32
  Thing that they also added, we have a talent that's called Wind
• 1:11:37
  Veil, which was previously seasoned wins I think is the
• 1:11:40
  name every time you interrupted. Something.
• 1:11:45
  Previously in the Warfin you took less damage from.
• 1:11:49
  That. Specific spell school, right?
• 1:11:51
  So if you kick the fire spell, you took less fire damage.
• 1:11:53
  If you kick the nature spell you took less nature damage.
• 1:11:56
  If you kick like a combination of things like in volcanic spell
• 1:11:59
  or something, you just took less damage from both.
• 1:12:02
  And now they just changed it that you just take less damage
• 1:12:06
  after interrupting any spell. The duration on that with 12
• 1:12:10
  seconds is pretty good to be fair.
• 1:12:13
  It's just generally A situational thing, right?
• 1:12:16
  Like if you just interrupted the enemy, it didn't deal damage,
• 1:12:20
  right? So now having a damage reduction
• 1:12:23
  against that specific enemy might not matter.
• 1:12:25
  Maybe it does, maybe it's just going to start casting something
• 1:12:28
  immediately after again, has happened at times, right?
• 1:12:32
  But generally, generally it can. Be very good in like mythic.
• 1:12:39
  Plus stuff like that. But in a rate, either it's
• 1:12:43
  incredibly good because you just sit there and interrupt
• 1:12:46
  something all the time, right? Like when she has a 12 second
• 1:12:49
  cooldown, Winfair has a 12 second duration.
• 1:12:52
  So you just have like permanent 15% damage reduction, which
• 1:12:55
  would be very, very good, obviously.
• 1:12:57
  Or the boss doesn't cost anything and you just can't use
• 1:13:01
  it, which is probably more likely to happen, not the other
• 1:13:05
  way, so. Overall though, heading into
• 1:13:12
  midnight, what's your prognosis for Shaman?
• 1:13:17
  For the people who are going to be running around in the pre
• 1:13:20
  patch being like, what in the world's going on when we get to
• 1:13:24
  midnight? Is there hope it is lightning in
• 1:13:29
  a bottle there? For elemental, I am doubtful.
• 1:13:34
  I like, I mean, I always try to be positive about changes, even
• 1:13:39
  if I'm personally maybe not. But I mean, the skeleton is
• 1:13:45
  there. I like it's still the same spec.
• 1:13:47
  It still has like the very characteristic, very special
• 1:13:51
  elemental buttons and it still feels like elemental.
• 1:13:55
  I'm just scared that because the expansion will last usually two
• 1:13:59
  years, right? That's how that usually goes.
• 1:14:01
  So I'm just kind of scared that it will just get boring very
• 1:14:04
  quickly if you don't really have anything special to do, if you
• 1:14:08
  if everything's just kind of basic.
• 1:14:11
  I do think that's a concern that most specs have a lot of other
• 1:14:15
  specs have as well, right? I don't really think things like
• 1:14:18
  the defensive issue, sure, for like high end players or people
• 1:14:22
  that want to play in a way that they have to be concerned about
• 1:14:29
  things like that, it will matter.
• 1:14:30
  Right, but like for. The general player base,
• 1:14:32
  probably not the biggest issue right?
• 1:14:34
  Like you're not going to die because you don't have 1/3
• 1:14:37
  defensive. But generally A spec should be
• 1:14:44
  fun to play. And if it's so easy and so
• 1:14:48
  simple, you might still just enjoy having fun, right?
• 1:14:54
  Like turning off your brain, pressing buttons, see all the
• 1:14:56
  pretty colours and do all of that, which I'm a big fan of.
• 1:14:59
  That's part of the reason why I play elemental, right?
• 1:15:02
  But I do very much think that sometimes you should be able to
• 1:15:06
  just sit down and just have a think about what you try to do
• 1:15:09
  and just try to be able to optimize things if you want to.
• 1:15:13
  So yeah, that's kind of my concern with.
• 1:15:15
  The with. How elementals looking in
• 1:15:17
  midnight so? The lights are on, but you're
• 1:15:22
  worried nobody's home. Pretty much.
• 1:15:26
  OK, well, I I'm hoping. For for the excitement to to be
• 1:15:35
  there. I know tier the first tier sets
• 1:15:38
  are never things that like add good hooks but hopefully with
• 1:15:43
  the future seasons we'll get that as they.
• 1:15:50
  A little bit of inside. Baseball is that as I follow
• 1:15:53
  these specs, I also see how they change and go through.
• 1:15:57
  And one of the things that we were talking about as we were
• 1:15:59
  setting up this show is how Elemental got that first brush
• 1:16:05
  and that first pass. And it doesn't feel like they've
• 1:16:08
  come back to really add in those hooks.
• 1:16:12
  And we had a similar situation with the beginning of the war
• 1:16:17
  within where it wasn't until the the .5 patch that they were
• 1:16:21
  like, OK, let's get this up and going hoping that that is not
• 1:16:25
  the situation. But like as we are so close to
• 1:16:30
  all of this going live, that may be the truth of the matter.
• 1:16:35
  We will see if people want to find you and everything that
• 1:16:39
  you. Do where can.
• 1:16:40
  We find that, well, generally, like on Earth, shine on the.
• 1:16:44
  Charmin discord right? If people have like things.
• 1:16:49
  That they want. To know usually.
• 1:16:50
  My discord DM so open maybe sometimes I'm a bit bad about
• 1:16:53
  responding to things but then just just write me again.
• 1:16:56
  I will probably notice at some point, but yeah, like Earth.
• 1:17:02
  Shine discord is usually pretty good.
• 1:17:03
  Way other than that, like the guy, it's small head is the one
• 1:17:07
  that I do and yeah. Maybe at some point.
• 1:17:13
  Streaming, but we will see you in that one.
• 1:17:17
  Well, Hawk, thank. You so much for coming on to the
• 1:17:19
  show and I'm hoping for the best for Elemental Shaman.
• 1:17:24
  It is of course, something near and dear to me, as I am stubbly
• 1:17:26
  Shaman all the time. But until next time folks, may
• 1:17:30
  all your hits be kits.