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10-13-26 Hour 1: MNF Breakdown/Avs, Hakstol News, About Wedgewood.../Is Bo Nix Scared? · Moser, Lombardi and Kane

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  Speaker 1: Adam Schefter will join us at 9.20 this morning.
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  Speaker 2: Boys, I was watching Monday Night Football last night. I
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  Speaker 2: was watching two offenses that dominate in incredibly different ways.
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  Speaker 2: You know, the Bills kind of pick which way they
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  Speaker 2: want to go given the night. They only threw the
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  Speaker 2: ball 19 times.
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  Speaker 1: 19.
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  Speaker 3: That was it.
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  Speaker 1: And they ran the ball for 234 yards. Josh Allen
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  Speaker 1: had 121 on his own.
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  Speaker 2: And you compare that to what the Rams did, which
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  Speaker 2: was throw the ball 54 times.
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  Speaker 1: And listen to this, guys. Matthew Stafford targeted.
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  Speaker 2: Puka Nakua 24 times in a single game. He threw
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  Speaker 2: the football in the direction of Puka Nakua 24 times.
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  Speaker 2: Let me repeat, Josh Allen attempted 19 passes yesterday.
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  Speaker 1: And yet, the Bills win.
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  Speaker 3: It's further proof that Josh Allen rescues the Bills with
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  Speaker 3: his legs so many times.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Even on that last drive that won the game. Every
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  Speaker 3: time they're in trouble, every time they need something, he'll
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  Speaker 3: just take off. He will just take off.
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  Speaker 4: Yep.
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  Speaker 3: And it's so effective that here we are years later.
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  Speaker 3: We're still talking about it, guys. We talk about it
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  Speaker 3: all the time. Well, you can't have your quarterback leave
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  Speaker 3: the pocket. You got to be a pocket passer to
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  Speaker 3: survive in this league.
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  Speaker 4: You got to.
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  Speaker 3: Really? Because he threw it 19 times. And they won.
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  Speaker 3: And they keep winning. You have to be able to
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  Speaker 3: do that.
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  Speaker 4: Able.
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  Speaker 3: But you don't have to be. You have to be
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  Speaker 3: able but not be. Moj. What could they do? They
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  Speaker 3: were helpless against him running the ball. They couldn't stop him.
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  Speaker 4: He had that run late in the fourth quarter that
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  Speaker 4: put the Bills on top. Where the pocket. is there,
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  Speaker 4: but he's got nobody and he just runs up the middle.
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  Speaker 4: This one? Seven in his career, regular season of playoffs
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  Speaker 4: and overtime games. He's trying to do it single-handedly. There
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  Speaker 4: he goes. They're inside field goal range.
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  Speaker 3: Allen, not with his arm, but with his legs. This
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  Speaker 3: is what he does.
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  Speaker 4: All the time. He gets to the first down marker
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  Speaker 4: and he puts his head down. Bam! I'm like, good
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  Speaker 4: God almighty, this guy. Like, there's no sliding. There was
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  Speaker 4: no giving himself up. Right there.
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  Speaker 3: That's the exact play you're talking about.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, he ran through Nate Landman and puts his head down.
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  Speaker 4: He puts his head down at the five-yard line, bro.
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  Speaker 4: And I'm like, they play a different game. Yet the
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  Speaker 4: Broncos beat them. The Broncos beat the Buffalo Bills.
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  Speaker 3: Here's what's funny. They've beaten both of these teams.
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  Speaker 4: They've beaten... But Vic, I'm watching this game, right? And
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, what a great football game.
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  Speaker 3: That was so entertaining.
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  Speaker 4: If you're just a fan of football... And by the way,
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  Speaker 4: they're going to cut that fat kicker. That SOB can't
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  Speaker 4: make jack. Well, you guys heard McVay after the game, right?
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  Speaker 4: He was pissed.
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  Speaker 3: And here's why.
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  Speaker 4: He should be. Can somebody just kick? I know that's
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  Speaker 4: exactly what he's thinking. Can somebody just kick the ball?
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  Speaker 4: They've got to be the best two and three football
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  Speaker 4: team in the history of the game. Here's what's interesting, though.
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  Speaker 4: This is what I realized. What?
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  Speaker 2: In the middle of watching all of this offense that
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  Speaker 2: just does not exist in this town, right? The way
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  Speaker 2: that these teams went about just putting up points after
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  Speaker 2: points after points. The Broncos possess something that the Rams
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  Speaker 2: don't have right now.
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  Speaker 1: They finish the Rams twice this year.
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  Speaker 3: That game, they had it. They had it.
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  Speaker 1: Couldn't close.
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  Speaker 2: Missed the field goal, had it blocked, whatever. When they
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  Speaker 2: played the Broncos, they're up 16 to nothing in the third.
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  Speaker 2: Throw a pick six here, allow a play there. Now,
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  Speaker 2: all of a sudden, the Broncos win 30 to 26.
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  Speaker 4: Like, still....
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  Speaker 2: The Broncos possess maybe the most important quality in football,
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  Speaker 2: which is finish a football game.
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  Speaker 3: You're right.
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  Speaker 1: They still have that.
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  Speaker 4: Vic, everything that Brett said right there is true. You
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  Speaker 4: tell me, Vic, you're an amateur. How many weeks of
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  Speaker 4: psychology did.
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  Speaker 3: You take at Notre Dame?
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  Speaker 4: 117 straight. Okay. 117 straight weeks of psychology for Dr.
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  Speaker 4: Vic Lombardi. Yeah. When I'm watching this game, I can't
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  Speaker 4: help but think to myself, If the Broncos played either
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  Speaker 4: of those teams today, I think they'd get killed. I
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  Speaker 4: don't know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe they played to the level of the competition.
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  Speaker 4: But I think I'm wrong. But my brain goes, oh
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  Speaker 4: my God, either of these teams today would smoke the Broncos.
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  Speaker 4: But they probably wouldn't. So why does my brain work
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  Speaker 4: like that?
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  Speaker 3: I don't know. Because that game was fun to watch.
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  Speaker 3: And the Broncos game was boring.
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  Speaker 4: Is that it?
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  Speaker 1: It just looks like a different sport was being played.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: I mean, watching the passes being thrown. You know what
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  Speaker 3: it was, guys? explosive place.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Big chunk place. Like that Kyron Williams catch over the
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  Speaker 3: middle of the field with one hand.
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  Speaker 5: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Ridiculous. You cannot tell me that the Denver Broncos possess
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  Speaker 3: a running back like that.
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  Speaker 2: Well, I looked at it the opposite way. I'm like,
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  Speaker 2: your quarterback play is miles away from that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true.
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  Speaker 2: On, on, on both, like whether it's running like Josh
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  Speaker 2: Allen was, or whether it was just hucking it everywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Like Stafford did, you.
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  Speaker 4: Know, and that's sort of my issue is.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, look, guys.
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  Speaker 2: There's two important things that you have to do on
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  Speaker 2: an offense. You have to throw the ball and you
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  Speaker 2: have to run it. And the Broncos really don't do
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  Speaker 2: either of them.
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  Speaker 1: They don't.
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  Speaker 2: Like you're talking about Kyron Williams or James Cook. Like
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  Speaker 2: that ain't that ain't your backfield. You don't got that.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you're going to have to.
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  Speaker 2: But the guy under center, too, it's like, you don't
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  Speaker 2: have that either, and it's not particularly close to that.
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  Speaker 4: Okay, there are some baseball teams that really don't have
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  Speaker 4: a whole lot of hitting, but they've got a starting
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  Speaker 4: rotation that would just mow you down. So some teams
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  Speaker 4: win 3-2, and some teams, like the old Rockies, would
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  Speaker 4: win 10-9.
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  Speaker 1: It's largely what the Yankees were this year.
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  Speaker 4: They couldn't really hit. No, they really couldn't. So, Vic...
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  Speaker 4: I guess what I'm saying is that we're going to
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  Speaker 4: have to accept the fact that the Broncos' defense is
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  Speaker 4: going to have to lead the way. Most of the time,
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  Speaker 4: the Broncos are going to have to get it done
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  Speaker 4: with their defense, and that defense is going to hand
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  Speaker 4: the ball back off to the offense and go, do
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  Speaker 4: what you can. We got you. Do what you can. Whereas,
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  Speaker 4: I watch your Lions. Our Lions. It's the opposite. Vic. Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: When you watch these offensive performances and these explosive plays,
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  Speaker 4: you're like, oh, my God, I want some of that.
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  Speaker 4: I got to get me some.
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  Speaker 3: Explosion play.
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  Speaker 4: We're just not going to be able to live in
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  Speaker 4: that world, and we're going to have to accept it.
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  Speaker 3: That's what it is. I mean, it's not necessarily– you
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  Speaker 3: can have special players, but those special players have to
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  Speaker 3: do things like last night where you're sitting there going
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  Speaker 3: one after another. Like, if there were two of those
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  Speaker 3: plays in the Broncos game, you'd be sitting there going, wow.
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  Speaker 3: There were too many to count last night.
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  Speaker 4: We'd be on these airwaves going, oh, my God. Hey, Brett,
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  Speaker 4: did you see that play from Jello Waddell? Oh, my God. Like,
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  Speaker 4: we would just be farting. The fans would be farting
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  Speaker 4: over themselves.
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  Speaker 2: These are the players yesterday that had at least one
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  Speaker 2: play of 20 yards or more.
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  Speaker 3: Right.
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  Speaker 2: Khalil Shakir, Ty Johnson, Ray Davis, Davis Allen, Blake Corum,
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  Speaker 2: Tyler Higbee, Puka Nakua, Josh Allen. All of those guys
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  Speaker 2: had at least one play of 20 yards or more.
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  Speaker 4: At least one.
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  Speaker 1: The Broncos haven't had a run for over 20 yards yet.
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  Speaker 4: It's unreal.
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  Speaker 3: No, it's unreal. You know, and the more I watch
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  Speaker 3: these other running backs, and I know James Cook had
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  Speaker 3: a tough night fumbling the ball. And by the way,
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  Speaker 3: everybody at ESPN, it's Landman. It's not Landman.
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  Speaker 4: What?
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  Speaker 3: We're not watching the movie with the show Landman, all right?
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  Speaker 3: Billy Bob Thornton isn't under that football helmet.
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  Speaker 4: Vic, I was listening just a little bit on the radio,
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  Speaker 4: the national radio call. Landman. I'm like, shut up. Landman.
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  Speaker 3: His name.
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  Speaker 4: There's Nate Landman again. I'm like, it's not Landman. It's Landman.
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  Speaker 3: He's a Landman.
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  Speaker 4: I just.
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  Speaker 3: Nate Landman.
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  Speaker 4: Landman. Landman with another tackle. Landman. I'm losing my bacon.
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  Speaker 1: Does that happen if Billy Bob doesn't make the show?
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  Speaker 3: I guarantee you, subconsciously, there's something there. Because, you know,
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  Speaker 3: I love SVP. Scott Van Pelt, in my opinion, he's
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  Speaker 3: the best. But he couldn't stop calling him Landman. And
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  Speaker 3: it's just simply not knowing his history, right?
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  Speaker 4: I mean, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What a wonderful story that guy is. He went from
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  Speaker 3: CU where we saw how talented he was at CU,
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  Speaker 3: but he was so injury riddled. How many times did
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  Speaker 3: he pop his knee? He makes his way to the NFL.
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  Speaker 3: He gets there. And then again, not heard from because
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  Speaker 3: he hurts himself again. And now he's making big plays.
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  Speaker 3: That punch was so good. Just punching.
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  Speaker 1: Start punching. The punch in the game or the punch
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  Speaker 1: after the game on Bradley Chubb?
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  Speaker 3: Well, that was... That was another player. No, I know.
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 3: Maybe the Rams are too punchy.
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  Speaker 4: I guess I didn't realize this.
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  Speaker 1: Did you see Bradley Chubb take one in the face
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  Speaker 1: after the game?
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I did. Suspension coming, I'm sure. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: Alara Jackson. Their lineman did that.
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  Speaker 4: Landman. God. You know, the thing I always loved about
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  Speaker 4: Nate Landman is the neck roll. Oh, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: His old school.
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  Speaker 4: And it wasn't necessarily the old school neck roll, but
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  Speaker 4: he had that thing in the back. Yep. Any linebacker
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  Speaker 4: who's got anything to protect his neck, he could have
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  Speaker 4: a ferret wrapped around his neck. A dead ferret. I'm like,
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  Speaker 4: that's my guy. I love that guy.
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  Speaker 3: Watching him punch the ball out and do that stuff,
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  Speaker 3: you know, stuff runs up. That's great. But in the
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  Speaker 3: open field against Josh Allen, he was, he couldn't do anything.
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  Speaker 3: Broken ankles everywhere.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Vic.
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  Speaker 3: Josh Allen is 6'4, and he runs like a point guard.
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  Speaker 4: He's just so good.
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  Speaker 3: He's so good in the open field.
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  Speaker 4: Well, Vic, he does that. It's like saying, well, Nikola
• 10:40
  Speaker 4: Jokic just abused this guy in the paint. Well, he
• 10:43
  Speaker 4: abuses everybody, you know? I know.
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  Speaker 3: That's what I'm saying.
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  Speaker 4: Josh Allen in the open field, dude, he would abuse
• 10:49
  Speaker 4: Jack Lambert. He'd abuse Mike Singletary. He'd abuse everybody because
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  Speaker 4: he's just that special of a player. And then, of course,
• 10:59
  Speaker 4: I get the tweets in the middle of the game.
• 11:01
  Speaker 4: I can't believe Elway didn't draft this guy.
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  Speaker 3: I can't handle these tweets anymore.
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  Speaker 1: Can I give you guys a stat?
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  Speaker 3: Do you realize that was the first overtime win of
• 11:10
  Speaker 3: Josh Allen's career?
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  Speaker 4: I know.
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  Speaker 1: That's crazy.
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  Speaker 4: Crazy.
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  Speaker 3: Can I give you guys a stat real quick?
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  Speaker 4: Sure.
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  Speaker 1: Because this just blew my mind.
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  Speaker 3: Take a guess.
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  Speaker 1: Don't look at anything.
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  Speaker 4: I'm not looking. I've been accused. I'm not looking.
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  Speaker 2: How many combined first downs were in that game?
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  Speaker 4: Combined? Combined. I'm going to say 17. Oh, more than that. 28. 173.
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  Speaker 3: I will say combined first downs, 46.
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  Speaker 4: 58. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Just for the record, the Broncos has 72 this year.
• 11:48
  Speaker 3: Well, hey, take it a step further. Puka Nakua was
• 11:51
  Speaker 3: targeted how many times in that game?
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  Speaker 4: 24.
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  Speaker 3: How many catches did he have?
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  Speaker 4: 17.
• 11:56
  Speaker 3: Check out how many catches Cortland Sutton has for the season.
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  Speaker 1: Hang on, I got you, I got you.
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  Speaker 4: He's got 11. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: He's got, hang on, I want to look at targets here.
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  Speaker 2: Cortland Sutton has 26 targets this year. Puka Nakua was
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  Speaker 2: targeted 24 times yesterday.
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  Speaker 3: That's just malpractice. And I'm not saying that Sutton can
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  Speaker 3: do what Nakua can do because it's pretty special, but give.
• 12:23
  Speaker 4: Him the ball, man. Give him the ball. Vic, who
• 12:27
  Speaker 4: is the most prolific three-point shooting team in the league?
• 12:30
  Speaker 4: Or who do you mean? It used to be Boston, right?
• 12:34
  Speaker 1: Boston hugs up threes.
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  Speaker 4: And then we could go to Golden State in the
• 12:38
  Speaker 4: prime time when everybody's just chucking up threes. Well, you know,
• 12:42
  Speaker 4: the Nuggets, they don't win games that way, but that's what,
• 12:46
  Speaker 4: you know, the Golden State Warriors did, and that's how
• 12:47
  Speaker 4: Boston won their championship is just by hocking it from
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  Speaker 4: 30 feet. But when you watch football like that, I mean,
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  Speaker 4: number one, it gets my stinger vibrating.
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  Speaker 3: It was a different game. Let's just cut to it.
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  Speaker 3: Let's cut to the chase, man. That was so much
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  Speaker 3: fun to watch that game last night, and I labored
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  Speaker 3: through the Broncos game.
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  Speaker 4: Well, you took a nap.
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  Speaker 3: And it shouldn't be that way. And I know that
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  Speaker 3: the results matter. I know that, okay, guys, don't be picky.
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  Speaker 3: Don't be stupid. You got to win the game. But no,
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  Speaker 3: entertainment matters.
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  Speaker 4: Entertainment matters.
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  Speaker 3: This is entertainment. People don't watch this show for results.
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  Speaker 4: They don't care about our results.
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  Speaker 3: You know, but what does that even mean? Oh, they
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  Speaker 3: listen to this show for sports journalism.
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  Speaker 4: No, they don't.
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  Speaker 3: We should be entertained.
• 13:38
  Speaker 4: I tell you what we should do from now on.
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  Speaker 4: We should all three do our best Walter Cronkite impression. Actually,
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  Speaker 4: I'll be humble. You guys each be like Walter Cronkite
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  Speaker 4: or pick Brian Williams or whomever you want. And then
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  Speaker 4: we'll do the show like this. Hook and a cool
• 13:57
  Speaker 4: was targeted 24 times last night. It was an efficient
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  Speaker 4: way for Matthew Stafford to distribute the football to to
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  Speaker 4: really all of his receivers, but particularly the recently healthy
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  Speaker 4: Puka Nakua.
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  Speaker 2: Just to go off this, I know that this is
• 14:13
  Speaker 2: going to sound like I'm doing part of your bit,
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  Speaker 2: and I'm not.
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  Speaker 1: I just want to read this out loud.
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  Speaker 3: Moshe, I thought Tyron Williams.
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  Speaker 4: Oh, I think you do an impression.
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  Speaker 3: Was a very effective runner and slasher last night. Is
• 14:28
  Speaker 3: that a co-sell?
• 14:29
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: He can do an okay co-sell.
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  Speaker 4: No, he can't. That was really stupid. For Vic's standards,
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  Speaker 4: Vic's standards of impressions, that not bad. All right, let
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  Speaker 4: me do one.
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  Speaker 3: Hang on, hang on. Let me read this real quick.
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  Speaker 4: Your geek stat, yeah.
• 14:42
  Speaker 3: The Rams are the.
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  Speaker 2: Only team in NFL history to have 400 total yards
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  Speaker 2: or more, gain 30 or more first downs, score five
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  Speaker 2: or more touchdowns, convert 50% of their third downs, and
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  Speaker 2: have zero turnovers and lose a game.
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  Speaker 4: And it's just the opposite with the Broncos. I know.
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  Speaker 4: They're the only team in history to go one for
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  Speaker 4: 12 on third down, have less than 225 yards of
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  Speaker 4: total offense, turn the football over, lose time of possession,
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  Speaker 4: and win the mother.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, here's the thing.
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  Speaker 4: It's insanity, man.
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  Speaker 3: What I don't understand is why the extra-large kicker kept
• 15:20
  Speaker 3: missing kicks.
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  Speaker 1: I think it's good.
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  Speaker 4: I think it's okay.
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  Speaker 1: Is that.
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  Speaker 4: Puka Nakua last night. Seven heat catches for 138 total yards.
• 15:31
  Speaker 4: Tyler Higby, five catches for 83, an average of 16.6
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  Speaker 4: yards per catch.
• 15:38
  Speaker 1: Stanford can throw!
• 15:42
  Speaker 2: Just for the record, I've seen people say this. It's not,
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: this is not true. We're just stuck in offensive hell,
• 15:49
  Speaker 2: but I'm telling you guys to lose a football game.
• 15:51
  Speaker 2: The way the Rams did is miserable to, to be
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  Speaker 2: able to do all of that on offense and not
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  Speaker 2: come away with a win is miserable.
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  Speaker 3: It's the worst this year. They've lost two of them
• 16:00
  Speaker 3: now that they, You saw McVay last night, how he
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: was so mad.
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  Speaker 4: I was just going to say, he should be. You
• 16:07
  Speaker 4: want to know how miserable it is?
• 16:09
  Speaker 3: Listen to this.
• 16:10
  Speaker 4: This one is, this is the one, this stings.
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: And it's going to hurt, but we can't afford to
• 16:15
  Speaker 5: let it, we can't let this team beat us twice.
• 16:17
  Speaker 5: And we're going to have to regroup and reset ourselves.
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: And it's been a while since I've been this pissed
• 16:22
  Speaker 5: after a game too.
• 16:23
  Speaker 2: Considering who you guys played and the circumstances.
• 16:27
  Speaker 5: No, none of it makes me feel good right now.
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: I'm proud of the effort, but none of how I
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: feel is positive other than I'm proud of the resilience,
• 16:36
  Speaker 5: the guts that our team displayed. But there's no, you know,
• 16:41
  Speaker 5: I don't even know what you want to call it. But,
• 16:43
  Speaker 5: you know, congrats to the Bills, and I'm excited about
• 16:46
  Speaker 5: how we freaking move forward.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: Well, that was his entire postgame.
• 16:49
  Speaker 4: They're going to have a series of wins in a row.
• 16:52
  Speaker 4: The Cardinals, the Raiders, the Chargers, the Commanders, the Cardinals. Well,
• 16:55
  Speaker 4: maybe you're right, Vic.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: Hey, man, they're beside themselves with their special teams unit.
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: That's why when Stafford overthrew, was it Williams, at first
• 17:04
  Speaker 3: down when they were driving, and he was so mad
• 17:07
  Speaker 3: at himself because they were miscommunicating. And then they ran
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: a couple conservative plays after that. And I think that
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: is what he's referring to. They got to punch it
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: in and just win the game there.
• 17:17
  Speaker 2: Adam Schefter is going to join us at 9.20. Got
• 17:20
  Speaker 2: the Avs and the Stars, 6.30 right here on 92.5 tonight.
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: Stick around.
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: All right, Adam Schefter is going to join us at 9.20
• 17:25
  Speaker 4: this morning. Ten bucks usually doesn't get you much anymore,
• 17:29
  Speaker 4: but on Tuesdays, they get you any large pizza at
• 17:32
  Speaker 4: Papa Murphy's.
• 17:33
  Speaker 1: It's a $ 10 Tuesday.
• 17:35
  Speaker 4: You know what? I'm doing that today.
• 17:37
  Speaker 1: Order at PapaMurphy's.com. Pick it up and bake it fresh
• 17:40
  Speaker 1: at home.
• 17:41
  Speaker 4: You know what, Vic? I'm doing that. Do it. I'm
• 17:44
  Speaker 4: going to get me a pepperoni pizza. Green pepper and jalapeno.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: Murphy's is a good pizza, man. I like it.
• 17:50
  Speaker 4: I'm going to take it home. I'm going to bake
• 17:52
  Speaker 4: it myself. I'm ready.
• 17:54
  Speaker 1: What is it, a $ 10 mortadella sandwich? Moj, just quickly here.
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: Our own Jesse Montano was talking about this. I saw
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: him tweet this yesterday.
• 18:03
  Speaker 4: Just say the way he says it.
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: Montano.
• 18:06
  Speaker 4: See, I don't like the way that Jesse says his
• 18:08
  Speaker 4: own name. It really sort of annoys me.
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: You're right. Good correction.
• 18:13
  Speaker 1: Jesse Montano.
• 18:13
  Speaker 3: My bad.
• 18:15
  Speaker 4: I told him that, too. I said, I don't like
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: you saying your own name. Let me say your name
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: the way I want to say your name.
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: Well, what about this name? David Haxtell, Arizona State.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: The rumor is he's going to take over as interim
• 18:28
  Speaker 2: for now that turns into permanent head coach or something.
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: I don't get it.
• 18:32
  Speaker 3: I don't know.
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: But I have two questions on this. I don't know
• 18:36
  Speaker 2: how much you know about this, but number one.
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: To be honest with you, because I haven't been around
• 18:41
  Speaker 4: the team, and obviously I did not go To Dallas,
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: it's national TV. I don't know really anything more than
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: you know, but I do know that he was a
• 18:52
  Speaker 4: pretty damn good college hockey coach.
• 18:55
  Speaker 1: Well, here's my question.
• 18:58
  Speaker 4: Is this normal for an assistant coach.
• 19:04
  Speaker 1: In the NHL to leave for a college position? Is
• 19:07
  Speaker 1: that a thing that happens?
• 19:08
  Speaker 4: No.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: Especially somebody who's been a NHL head coach?
• 19:15
  Speaker 4: Not really. Okay. Pretty much once you're in the pro game,
• 19:18
  Speaker 4: you're kind of in the pro game.
• 19:19
  Speaker 1: That's what it felt like to me, yeah.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that's typically the way it works. If you're in
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: the pro game, you're in the pro game. If you're
• 19:29
  Speaker 4: not a head coach, you're an assistant someplace, right? Yeah.
• 19:32
  Speaker 4: But I will say that the ASU job is a very,
• 19:36
  Speaker 4: very attractive job.
• 19:38
  Speaker 3: Why is that?
• 19:39
  Speaker 1: That's where the Coyotes played for a minute, right?
• 19:40
  Speaker 4: Yeah, that little small arena. Because I remember when Arizona
• 19:44
  Speaker 4: State came in to start a college hockey program. I'm thinking,
• 19:51
  Speaker 4: it worked pretty good. They've got guys in the league now.
• 19:54
  Speaker 4: Joey Decord, Seattle. He was one of their first goalies.
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: So, again, I don't know if this has been confirmed yet,
• 20:02
  Speaker 2: but it sounds like multiple places are reporting that this
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: is happening.
• 20:06
  Speaker 4: Yeah, from what I understand, the Avs have given him
• 20:07
  Speaker 4: permission to talk about it. So what do.
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: The Avs do from here? Do they promote somebody from within?
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: Do you go outside the organization? Because he's in charge
• 20:16
  Speaker 2: of the power play.
• 20:17
  Speaker 4: I think that the teams, nobody's caught with their pants down.
• 20:21
  Speaker 4: Teams always have plans in place. Yeah. Teams always have
• 20:29
  Speaker 4: contingency plans, right? For just such a situation. Now, maybe
• 20:35
  Speaker 4: you're not thinking of it and you have specific human
• 20:38
  Speaker 4: beings in mind, But you always need to think, okay,
• 20:42
  Speaker 4: if A, then what will we do with B, so
• 20:43
  Speaker 4: on and so forth. They probably have some very good ideas. Well,
• 20:46
  Speaker 4: I've always said this. If you're at like a blue
• 20:47
  Speaker 4: blood college football program, you would be committing malpractice as
• 20:53
  Speaker 4: an athletic director if you didn't have a list in
• 20:55
  Speaker 4: your desk of like four names that you would call
• 20:57
  Speaker 4: if your head coach up. Or if you're a head
• 20:59
  Speaker 4: coach and your OC is up for the Oklahoma State job.
• 21:03
  Speaker 4: I mean, you need to have guys that you would
• 21:04
  Speaker 4: approach that. Guys that you know of, if in fact
• 21:10
  Speaker 4: A happened, then you go to B.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: So here's another question that I have. I can feel
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: this happening, Moj. I can feel it. I'm sure you
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: guys can too. It's very, very, very early in the year.
• 21:25
  Speaker 2: But you had those years with Georgiev where you felt
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: like you had a good team, but you couldn't trust
• 21:32
  Speaker 2: your goalie. I can feel Avs fans having PTSD about
• 21:37
  Speaker 2: that right now. I know it's only five games in,
• 21:40
  Speaker 2: but Blackwood's save percentage right now is 867. Jared Bednar,
• 21:44
  Speaker 2: after the game over the weekend, said, hey, you got
• 21:46
  Speaker 2: to make a save. Like, face four shots in a period,
• 21:51
  Speaker 2: three of them go in, you got to get one.
• 21:53
  Speaker 3: And that stuff festers.
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 21:54
  Speaker 3: It festers. The lack of confidence, whatever you want to
• 21:58
  Speaker 3: call it, every time he's out there, he's almost going
• 22:02
  Speaker 3: to be like a target for that kind of criticism.
• 22:06
  Speaker 3: And I don't know how you... Work your way out
• 22:08
  Speaker 3: of that outside of just dealing a couple great games.
• 22:11
  Speaker 2: Well, they're making a concerted effort, it feels like, Moj.
• 22:14
  Speaker 2: Because last year was weird. He was hurt on and off.
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: Wedgwood came in, played well. He played well when the
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: games mattered most. So he was the starter during the postseason.
• 22:27
  Speaker 2: And now it feels like they're like, hey, Blackwood, it's
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: your job. And they're looking at him like, please make
• 22:33
  Speaker 2: good on what we're trying to do here.
• 22:35
  Speaker 4: I would say this. I think they need to be
• 22:39
  Speaker 4: better in front of him, too. It's not just, again,
• 22:44
  Speaker 4: every goal that went in against the Maple Leafs, you
• 22:48
  Speaker 4: can't say, oh, God, that's a softie. Oh, God, you know,
• 22:53
  Speaker 4: his glove hand is broken. Oh, man, that five hole,
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: you could drive a Mack truck through it, right? But,
• 23:00
  Speaker 4: and again, that's the play in front of him where
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: guys are getting, when you give Nylander and Matthews grade
• 23:05
  Speaker 4: A chances, they are going to hurt you. If you're
• 23:09
  Speaker 4: standing in front of Mike Tyson with boxing gloves on,
• 23:13
  Speaker 4: he's probably going to punch your face really hard if
• 23:15
  Speaker 4: you allow him to.
• 23:16
  Speaker 1: Or that left tackle from the Rams.
• 23:18
  Speaker 4: Or the left tackle from the Rams on jump. That
• 23:21
  Speaker 4: being said, top goalies, tip-top goalies, they'll make saves above expected. Right? Yes. Okay, well,
• 23:30
  Speaker 4: give me two of those.
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Well, Borowski did exactly that.
• 23:34
  Speaker 4: He did. Give me two of those. So it kind
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: of goes hand-in-hand. They need to be better in front
• 23:40
  Speaker 4: of him.
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: And he needs to make some saves.
• 23:42
  Speaker 4: And he needs to make some dang saves. That is correct. Now,
• 23:45
  Speaker 4: I don't know who's going to start tonight in Dallas.
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: I ain't there.
• 23:48
  Speaker 2: I would throw Blackwood out there again and be like,
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: this is a big game against a rival of ours
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: that's had our number.
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: Show us that you can go out and do it.
• 23:54
  Speaker 4: Sure. And Dallas, by the way, is not off to
• 23:56
  Speaker 4: a splendid start this year. They're 2-2-1. What do you want?
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: Do you want keys to the game already? Is that
• 24:01
  Speaker 4: what you're trying to do to me? No, no.
• 24:03
  Speaker 1: I have another question for you, but I'll wait until
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: you're done.
• 24:06
  Speaker 4: Because it feels like you're begging for keys, but I'll
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: hold off on those.
• 24:10
  Speaker 1: You want to join me in make-believe land for a second?
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: Oh, God. Vic?
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: Vic, you want to hold my hand and go to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: make-believe land with me?
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: But you know what this guy does sometimes, Vic? He
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: pulls the old, follow the yellow brick road. Yeah, follow me.
• 24:24
  Speaker 3: Follow me. I have opened the door.
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: It has gone from black and white to color.
• 24:28
  Speaker 3: Okay?
• 24:29
  Speaker 4: Which is a great friggin' scene. If you see The
• 24:31
  Speaker 4: Wizard of Oz.
• 24:32
  Speaker 3: It's great.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: Yeah. I saw it at the Sphere. When... It's incredible.
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: And Dorothy opens that door and she goes into color.
• 24:39
  Speaker 4: It's very cool.
• 24:40
  Speaker 3: Let me ask the question.
• 24:44
  Speaker 2: What would it take for the Avs to get to
• 24:47
  Speaker 2: this point, number one? And what would the ramifications be,
• 24:51
  Speaker 2: number two, of that goalie up north that's suspended from
• 24:55
  Speaker 2: his team?
• 24:58
  Speaker 4: What would it take to get there?
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: What would it take for the Avs to get to
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: the point to be like, we need to trade for Hellebuck?
• 25:05
  Speaker 1: Like, what gets you there?
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: Brett, it would have to be so much because there's
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: no way in hell. It'd be like the Buffalo Bills
• 25:17
  Speaker 4: trading Josh Allen to the New England Patriots. Hold on.
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: They would never trade him.
• 25:22
  Speaker 3: You're saying in division?
• 25:23
  Speaker 4: In division, I would be shocked.
• 25:26
  Speaker 3: But it's not as if the Avs, historically, have not
• 25:30
  Speaker 3: made a midseason trade for a very established goalie. Hell,
• 25:35
  Speaker 3: they did it for Patrick Waugh, for crying out loud. Oh,
• 25:37
  Speaker 3: I know, but that's... That was a really good team
• 25:39
  Speaker 3: at the time.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: That's a one in a million, though.
• 25:41
  Speaker 3: I know, I know. But it's not like history hasn't...
• 25:44
  Speaker 3: It's happened. They've done it. Now, that team was not
• 25:48
  Speaker 3: in the division. And there were unforeseen circumstances. Waugh forced
• 25:54
  Speaker 3: his way out. There were things going on, I get it.
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: But it's not like it hasn't happened before. We've seen
• 26:00
  Speaker 3: it happen. Right in front of us.
• 26:01
  Speaker 4: We have, but I just don't think that.
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: In division, is it? Kevin Sheveldayoff.
• 26:06
  Speaker 4: By the way, I like their GM a lot, Kevin Sheveldayoff.
• 26:10
  Speaker 3: That's his name?
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: Sheveldayoff?
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: Sheveldayoff.
• 26:14
  Speaker 4: He's a great dude.
• 26:15
  Speaker 3: Sheveldayoff.
• 26:16
  Speaker 4: How do you spell that?
• 26:18
  Speaker 3: I get Shevel on your day off.
• 26:21
  Speaker 4: Bend over and I'll show you.
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: Sheveldayoff?
• 26:27
  Speaker 4: I cannot imagine them trading.
• 26:29
  Speaker 3: I'd like to introduce you to Mr.
• 26:30
  Speaker 4: And Mrs.
• 26:31
  Speaker 3: Sheveldayoff.
• 26:33
  Speaker 4: It's a stupid name.
• 26:35
  Speaker 3: It's a dumb name.
• 26:37
  Speaker 4: Admit it. I don't know what we're doing now. Yeah.
• 26:42
  Speaker 4: This whole thing.
• 26:43
  Speaker 1: I'm Brett Cain paid leave.
• 26:48
  Speaker 4: I don't think they would trade him in division. I
• 26:50
  Speaker 4: just don't think it would happen.
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: You know what's funny?
• 26:56
  Speaker 4: You're also talking about a guy who's getting eight sheets
• 26:59
  Speaker 4: for another, what, six years? Time out.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: I want to go back to this. This is always something.
• 27:03
  Speaker 3: And I agree. This is a thing.
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: I'm not saying it's not. I've always wondered why.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Why is everybody so hesitant to make a trade for
• 27:11
  Speaker 2: somebody in division? If you get the proper things that
• 27:15
  Speaker 2: you would like in return for the trade, what's the difference?
• 27:19
  Speaker 3: You're worried about your team. Well, you don't want it
• 27:21
  Speaker 3: to come back and pop you in the mouth.
• 27:23
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, because you're like, hey, man, if I
• 27:26
  Speaker 4: trade him in division, I'm guaranteeing myself four losses inside
• 27:30
  Speaker 4: the Central.
• 27:31
  Speaker 2: But Sam Darnold, he goes on, he leaves the Vikings,
• 27:34
  Speaker 2: goes to the Seahawks and wins the Super Bowl.
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: Would it be worse if he did that with the
• 27:38
  Speaker 1: Packers the next year?
• 27:39
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it probably would be. Why? What's the difference?
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: What if he knocked you out on the way to
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: the Super Bowl? What if he knocks you out? What
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: if he knocks you out in the Super Bowl? You
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: know what I mean?
• 27:50
  Speaker 4: Like, I just don't really get the difference. The point
• 27:53
  Speaker 4: isn't where is this guy going. It's what am I
• 27:56
  Speaker 4: getting in return? You're trying to build your own roster.
• 27:58
  Speaker 4: I get it.
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: I just don't think many moves are made between rivals, right?
• 28:02
  Speaker 4: No, they aren't.
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: They aren't.
• 28:04
  Speaker 1: I've just never understood it.
• 28:05
  Speaker 4: That's all. Let me get to the very bottom of
• 28:07
  Speaker 4: this because I don't follow everybody else's contract that much.
• 28:11
  Speaker 4: He's getting eight and a half sheets... through 2030 31
• 28:16
  Speaker 4: is he worth it yeah he probably is worth it
• 28:20
  Speaker 4: I mean that guy's he's a world-class goalie he's an
• 28:23
  Speaker 4: Olympic gold medalist he's 33 years of age now Connor
• 28:27
  Speaker 4: you're a kid do the math so 30 30 in
• 28:30
  Speaker 4: 2031 he'll be 38 making eight and a half sheets per.
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: Yeah what are you on the streets now why do
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: you think I'm in radio.
• 28:42
  Speaker 4: What am I asking you for?
• 28:42
  Speaker 1: What is the sheets thing?
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: What is this?
• 28:44
  Speaker 4: What are you doing there? What are you, a bookie?
• 28:45
  Speaker 4: Are you in the mob? Let me be Riker for
• 28:48
  Speaker 4: a second.
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: Just eight and a half mil.
• 28:49
  Speaker 4: He's getting eight and a half pickles for the next
• 28:52
  Speaker 4: five years. How do you hockey guys have your own language?
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: They really do. It's so weird.
• 28:58
  Speaker 4: Okay. It's a lot. I mean, I guess in the
• 29:01
  Speaker 4: grand scheme of things with the cap going up, it
• 29:03
  Speaker 4: doesn't seem quite so bad for a world-class goalie. But again,
• 29:07
  Speaker 4: I don't think, look, I don't even want to get
• 29:09
  Speaker 4: into this because I don't think you need that. I mean,
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: we're five games into the damn year. Can you just
• 29:13
  Speaker 4: let the guys start playing better, please?
• 29:18
  Speaker 3: So you're preaching, Paige.
• 29:19
  Speaker 4: Okay, that's fine. I am for now. Now, if we
• 29:22
  Speaker 4: get to Thanksgiving and we're still popping off like this,
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: then we're going to have some serious discussions.
• 29:28
  Speaker 1: But why does it feel this way?
• 29:30
  Speaker 2: They just went through an entire season where they were
• 29:32
  Speaker 2: the best tandem in the NHL to the point of
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: they won a bleeping trophy over it.
• 29:36
  Speaker 4: They won an award for how well they played. Because
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: people like to fret about it. goalies.
• 29:40
  Speaker 3: No, and I also think you're prone to be impatient
• 29:44
  Speaker 3: because an Avs fan just wants to fast forward to
• 29:47
  Speaker 3: the playoffs. That's the truth.
• 29:50
  Speaker 4: Pretty much. Yeah. Listen, man. Once we get to January 1,
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: I'm like, get me to April. Because you know this
• 29:59
  Speaker 4: team is really good. But, look, he's going to have
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: to make better, you know, he's going to have to
• 30:04
  Speaker 4: make more saves. They're going to have to play better
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: in front of him. And I think tonight is an
• 30:08
  Speaker 4: opportunity to do that against a division rival that really,
• 30:11
  Speaker 4: you score the puck a lot. They don't score the
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: puck that much right now.
• 30:17
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 30:18
  Speaker 4: The Dallas Stars. They really don't.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: Well, I bring all this up and bring this up
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: together just to say, there's like unknowns right now with
• 30:29
  Speaker 2: your special teams coach, and there's unknowns with your goalie
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: right now. And those are two places that Avs fans
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: are very PTSD about. They're very much like, I don't
• 30:40
  Speaker 2: like the uneasiness of either one of those categories.
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: The only reason the Dallas Stars are 2-2-1 is because
• 30:46
  Speaker 4: their goaltending has been off the charts. I mean, they're
• 30:50
  Speaker 4: giving up 1.4 goals per game. Save percentage is 953
• 30:55
  Speaker 4: in Dallas. But they can't score the puck that well
• 31:01
  Speaker 4: right now. So something's got to give tonight.
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: Well, the Avs face the Stars tonight with the action
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: right here.
• 31:07
  Speaker 4: Can I just do the damn keys and get them
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: over with? No.
• 31:09
  Speaker 3: No.
• 31:11
  Speaker 1: Actions right here on 92.5.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: You can tune in for pregame powered by Ramos Law
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: at 6 with Birdo.
• 31:16
  Speaker 1: And then Connor has all the action shortly after 6.30.
• 31:18
  Speaker 4: You see, I have these keys. They're right here in
• 31:20
  Speaker 4: my hand. Yeah. I want to give them to you.
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: You hold on to those suckers.
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: Why don't you?
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: I don't want them yet.
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I want to share. They're right on the tip of
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  Speaker 4: my tongue.
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: Can I see those? You know why I don't need them?
• 31:32
  Speaker 3: Because I have a keyless entry. I'll say this.
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: There is nothing better. Have you guys ever done this?
• 31:38
  Speaker 2: When's the last time you've done this? Do it in
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: the next week and tell me how good it feels.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: Somebody's holding like a glass and just popping it out
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: of their hands.
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  Speaker 4: It's one of the best things ever.
• 31:47
  Speaker 3: I'll do it to my mom today. Like Moj.
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  Speaker 4: Dude, you're not.
• 31:52
  Speaker 1: Imagine I just got a drink.
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  Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah.
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  Speaker 3: What's going on, man?
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  Speaker 5: Hey!
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  Speaker 4: Didn't that feel good? It feels great. Yeah. You're not
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: too old to get a spoon, dude. You know that, right?
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: When's the last time your mom gave you the paddle?
• 32:07
  Speaker 4: She'll still spoon you up to this day. Wooden spoon.
• 32:11
  Speaker 4: Might do you some good.
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• 32:21
  Speaker 2: So I was just showing Moe something. Um, I know
• 32:26
  Speaker 2: everybody's doing videos like this about Bo Nix. Now it's,
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: it's like everybody's a film study coach, but Ben Solak
• 32:32
  Speaker 2: of ESPN does pretty good job breaking down plays.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: There's a seven and a half minute video.
• 32:39
  Speaker 4: He, he looks like a nerd, but he's pretty smart.
• 32:41
  Speaker 3: Well, he looks like he's 12 years old.
• 32:43
  Speaker 4: Correct.
• 32:43
  Speaker 1: And he's, he's been on our show before.
• 32:45
  Speaker 3: He said he has. Yeah.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: Um, But he does about a seven-and-a-half-minute film breakdown of
• 32:50
  Speaker 2: not just the plays against the Chargers. He goes back
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: to games earlier against San Francisco and a whole bunch
• 32:54
  Speaker 2: of others. And the only word I think I can use,
• 32:58
  Speaker 2: he's not a Broncos fan. He is exasperated in watching
• 33:02
  Speaker 2: Bo Nix.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: How many times was he going, You got it!
• 33:07
  Speaker 3: Throw it!
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: It's plays over the middle, and here's what all of
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: them have in common. And you got to find out
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: the reason why if you're Sean Payton. Bo Nix is
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: exiting clean pockets. When you exit a clean pocket, you
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: can't step up and step into a throw, which means
• 33:26
  Speaker 2: making throws like over the middle of the field.
• 33:28
  Speaker 3: Did you see that pass that Stafford had last night
• 33:31
  Speaker 3: where his arm was hit as he's releasing the ball?
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: Don't.
• 33:35
  Speaker 3: I'm just saying, it was a dirty pocket and he
• 33:38
  Speaker 3: still made the play.
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: Yeah, because he's still staying in there because that's where
• 33:42
  Speaker 4: you're trying to operate from.
• 33:44
  Speaker 1: What I don't want to do, though, is get into the.
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: Boy, I hate the comparisons because these guys are elite.
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: I mean, Stafford is elite. It's just a prompt.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: It's where you want to get to, Moj.
• 33:56
  Speaker 2: But Moj, what you were watching, what I showed you
• 33:58
  Speaker 2: during the break, at least a little bit of, that's
• 34:00
  Speaker 2: not elite stuff.
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: That's basic quarterback play. I have a clean pocket.
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: I step up in the pocket and make a throw
• 34:07
  Speaker 2: over the middle of the field because that's where you're
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: drawing the play. That's what the play was designed for,
• 34:12
  Speaker 2: is to hit a guy over the middle. And it's
• 34:15
  Speaker 2: just such a weird thing. And I don't know what
• 34:18
  Speaker 2: the reasoning is. He's done this before, but it feels
• 34:22
  Speaker 2: extra this year. And I keep going back to the idea,
• 34:25
  Speaker 2: is he playing scared of his ankle getting hit?
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: Is he? Because this is different.
• 34:31
  Speaker 2: He's bailed out of clean pockets before, but there's been
• 34:33
  Speaker 2: times he's stepped up and made throws. And you've got
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: to figure this out in a hurry. Because here's one thing,
• 34:39
  Speaker 2: I think we can all agree. There is almost no
• 34:43
  Speaker 2: scenario in which Bo Nix does not start for the
• 34:45
  Speaker 2: rest of this season.
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: It's never going to get, I think, to that point.
• 34:49
  Speaker 4: He's never going to play poorly enough to not start. Right.
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: Or at least poorly enough to where you think the
• 34:55
  Speaker 2: backup can do better. Because I don't think your backup's
• 34:57
  Speaker 2: very good either.
• 34:59
  Speaker 1: That's why I was talking about yesterday.
• 35:01
  Speaker 2: The idea, if they had a veteran backup, if they
• 35:04
  Speaker 2: had Tyrod Taylor, if they had Joe Flacco or something,
• 35:08
  Speaker 2: maybe that discussion's a little bit different.
• 35:10
  Speaker 4: Right. But... I really don't even want to get into
• 35:13
  Speaker 4: that because I don't think that's a realistic possibility of happening.
• 35:17
  Speaker 4: But if you did have a veteran backup, it would
• 35:20
  Speaker 4: be interesting at times. Sean Payton. You know what, Vic?
• 35:23
  Speaker 4: You know what we haven't found out yet? We have
• 35:27
  Speaker 4: not found this out. What is Sean Payton's level of patience?
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's true.
• 35:33
  Speaker 4: Because he didn't have to do Jack's squat with Drew
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: Brees for all those years. Drew Brees is the guy,
• 35:38
  Speaker 4: Hall of Famer, fine, right? And then, of course, when
• 35:43
  Speaker 4: he called it quits, then it petered out and so on.
• 35:47
  Speaker 4: But I don't know what his level of patience would
• 35:49
  Speaker 4: be with the Bo Nicks. This is his hand-picked guy.
• 35:52
  Speaker 4: This is the guy that he hand-picked, drafted at 12,
• 35:55
  Speaker 4: has groomed to be the starter, developed him from day one,
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: how he wants him to play the game of football.
• 36:03
  Speaker 4: But where does that patience end? I don't know the
• 36:05
  Speaker 4: answer to that.
• 36:06
  Speaker 3: I do. I mean, the question now is, can you
• 36:09
  Speaker 3: shepherd this quarterback to his next contract, the big one?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: the one that's going to handcuff your salaries and make
• 36:15
  Speaker 3: things a little more difficult to build a roster.
• 36:17
  Speaker 4: I was listening to Tyler and DMACC and Scott yesterday.
• 36:21
  Speaker 3: Thanks for interrupting me.
• 36:22
  Speaker 4: Sorry, but I want you to jump in on this.
• 36:25
  Speaker 3: Just right in the middle of my comment.
• 36:26
  Speaker 4: You're right. Tyler said that he would give him the money.
• 36:32
  Speaker 3: Finish your thought, Vic.
• 36:33
  Speaker 4: Sorry.
• 36:33
  Speaker 3: Thanks for doing that.
• 36:34
  Speaker 4: My bad.
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: Just right in the middle.
• 36:36
  Speaker 4: Right in the middle. Right, I mean, right in the middle.
• 36:39
  Speaker 4: Right dead smack bullseye, yep.
• 36:43
  Speaker 3: I just think that that's the way Sean Payton is
• 36:45
  Speaker 3: looking at this. His job now is, are we going
• 36:49
  Speaker 3: to give this guy the money? And that's what this
• 36:53
  Speaker 3: season is for. And that's why you don't replace him now.
• 36:56
  Speaker 3: You play him now and get him through this. Because
• 36:59
  Speaker 3: if you determine you can't give him the money, you've
• 37:02
  Speaker 3: got to start over there. That's a big decision. That's
• 37:07
  Speaker 3: a decision that's going to impact your entire franchise.
• 37:10
  Speaker 1: Well, here's the other thing.
• 37:11
  Speaker 2: Like, the texture says it's only year three. There's no
• 37:14
  Speaker 2: only year three as a starting quarterback. You should be
• 37:17
  Speaker 2: seasoned at this point. You know, it's just for a
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: point of reference, and I get these guys are the
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: elites of the league. Josh Allen in his third year
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: had 37 touchdown passes. Matthew Stafford in his third year
• 37:29
  Speaker 2: had 41. Patrick Mahomes in his third year had 38.
• 37:33
  Speaker 1: You know.
• 37:36
  Speaker 3: Like, you know in year three.
• 37:37
  Speaker 4: You know.
• 37:38
  Speaker 1: Because I don't know how much better it's going to
• 37:40
  Speaker 1: get beyond that.
• 37:41
  Speaker 3: Also, year three quarterbacks make mistakes. We saw what happened
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: in Washington with Daniels just this last week. Clock runs out.
• 37:49
  Speaker 4: Yeah.
• 37:51
  Speaker 3: We've seen year three quarterbacks go up and down. We've
• 37:53
  Speaker 3: seen it. Now, do you think, let me ask you,
• 37:56
  Speaker 3: the other, his contemporaries, Bo Nix's contemporaries, is New England
• 38:01
  Speaker 3: going to take Drake May to that next contract?
• 38:06
  Speaker 4: I think they probably will. Okay. Okay.
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: I think so. Caleb Williams in Chicago. Is he getting
• 38:10
  Speaker 3: that next?
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: A hundred percent.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: No question.
• 38:12
  Speaker 4: All right.
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: Two for two. Jane Daniels.
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: I think so. I, that, that's a, that's more of
• 38:18
  Speaker 4: an iffy one, but I think probably, yeah, probably.
• 38:21
  Speaker 3: All right. JJ McCarthy's already gone. So that one's off
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: the board.
• 38:25
  Speaker 1: Penix is the other one.
• 38:27
  Speaker 3: Penix in Atlanta. Well, I don't know.
• 38:29
  Speaker 4: I don't know that his body, what, this is a
• 38:31
  Speaker 4: weird thing. Are we going to go around the league today?
• 38:33
  Speaker 4: We are. Maybe I'll save it. I don't even know
• 38:38
  Speaker 4: if his is football acumen as much as I don't
• 38:41
  Speaker 4: know if that guy's going to stay healthy.
• 38:42
  Speaker 3: It becomes a difficult decision because of what it does
• 38:45
  Speaker 3: to the rest of your roster. And it really is.
• 38:48
  Speaker 3: So you have to invest enough resource and time to
• 38:51
  Speaker 3: make that decision obvious. And if it's not obvious, right,
• 38:55
  Speaker 3: if it's still blurry, then I think it's the wrong decision.
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: Well, a texture says this. Why are we freaking out?
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: We all knew the six games were going to be rough,
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: and we were hopeful for three and three. At worst,
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: they're going to be. Yes, big picture, the record is fine.
• 39:12
  Speaker 2: I'll go back to something Nikola Jokic said.
• 39:14
  Speaker 3: A couple years ago. The play at that position is
• 39:15
  Speaker 3: not fine. Yes, exactly.
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: Jokic, was it two years ago where he said, Vic,
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: winning masks a lot of your problems?
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: Yes.
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: That's what we're talking about here.
• 39:29
  Speaker 3: Don't let.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: just because you got a dub hide the fact that
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: there are things that need to be corrected. And they
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: are in Super Bowl territory now.
• 39:39
  Speaker 1: These are what the standards are.
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: The Broncos have graduated to the point of, If you
• 39:43
  Speaker 2: don't win a championship, it's hard to say it's been
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: a great year because that's just kind of where the
• 39:49
  Speaker 2: standard is.
• 39:50
  Speaker 1: And I'll give you an example.
• 39:52
  Speaker 2: Last year in a 14-3 season, when we and I
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: in particular was yelled at for being too negative after wins,
• 40:00
  Speaker 2: and I would point out, guys, you.
• 40:01
  Speaker 1: Need to be able to run the football better.
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: You need to do it because you're going to hit
• 40:05
  Speaker 2: times in the postseason where you've got to be able
• 40:07
  Speaker 2: to run it. Wouldn't a great time to run the
• 40:10
  Speaker 2: football be– a 10-7 football game in a snow globe,
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: wouldn't that have been nice? One team could. The other
• 40:20
  Speaker 2: team couldn't. That team went to the Super Bowl. When
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: you don't have these things, and if you just want
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: to ignore them because at the end of the day
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: you've got to win, I guess it's your prerogative.
• 40:31
  Speaker 1: You have to correct the issues.
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: And guys, this offense isn't something that's just like, oh,
• 40:36
  Speaker 2: it's a little hinders the team.
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: It's bad.
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Like, it's bad.
• 40:41
  Speaker 2: And now you're looking at Again, short week against the
• 40:44
  Speaker 2: defending Super Bowl champs where you might not have Moss, Sertan,
• 40:47
  Speaker 2: and Hufanga.
• 40:48
  Speaker 4: I know. If that defense now becomes pretty good as
• 40:52
  Speaker 4: opposed to amazing, that's.
• 40:54
  Speaker 1: Going to be an incredibly difficult game to win.
• 40:56
  Speaker 4: You're in trouble. But can we, just for a second,
• 40:59
  Speaker 4: before we get to the top here, talk about things
• 41:01
  Speaker 4: he doesn't do. He doesn't throw interceptions, really. Well, because
• 41:06
  Speaker 4: he doesn't throw the ball into that crowded area. But
• 41:09
  Speaker 4: he's not giving the football. Why did the Rams lose
• 41:12
  Speaker 4: to the Broncos? Because Stafford threw the ball away. That's why.
• 41:16
  Speaker 4: He gave it to the opposition. Why did the Bills
• 41:20
  Speaker 4: lose to the Broncos? Because Allen threw the ball to
• 41:23
  Speaker 4: the Broncos a lot. But he doesn't turn it over.
• 41:26
  Speaker 4: He only took one sack the other day. I mean, hell,
• 41:30
  Speaker 4: the Broncos sacked Herbert five times.
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: But Mosier, here's the counterpoint to that. That's all true.
• 41:37
  Speaker 2: The counter would be you don't get sacked and you
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: don't throw picks because you don't hold onto the ball
• 41:43
  Speaker 2: long enough to make a play downfield to take a risk.
• 41:45
  Speaker 4: Wasn't done. Okay. Hey, Moshe, calm down. What I'm saying,
• 41:53
  Speaker 4: how do you, if you take the baseline of these
• 41:56
  Speaker 4: things that he doesn't do, and that's a positive, how
• 42:00
  Speaker 4: do you get him consistently do things that you do
• 42:03
  Speaker 4: want him to do? Like step up in the pocket. Like,
• 42:07
  Speaker 4: let the play develop. Like, put the ball in the
• 42:09
  Speaker 4: middle of the field where he apparently is averse. You know,
• 42:13
  Speaker 4: what's interesting about this, do you recall in his rookie year,
• 42:16
  Speaker 4: we would say, A, he doesn't push the ball downfield,
• 42:19
  Speaker 4: and B, he doesn't push the ball to the middle
• 42:21
  Speaker 4: of the field. You remember that? Now, we were saying, okay,
• 42:24
  Speaker 4: that'll come in time, or is this a Sean Payton
• 42:27
  Speaker 4: thing that, hey, let's be safe right now? Or is
• 42:30
  Speaker 4: this just who Bo Nix is a player? And neither
• 42:33
  Speaker 4: Sean Payton... Nor Sean McVay, nor Andy Reid could ever
• 42:39
  Speaker 4: talk him out of that. Or get him out of that.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: If that's him as a player, then you have a problem.
• 42:44
  Speaker 4: I absolutely agree. I just, I don't think we know
• 42:46
  Speaker 4: the answer to that yet.
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: But I was with you, Moj, because I was, I've
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: said this a lot about Bo Nix.
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: I go, you know what?
• 42:51
  Speaker 2: He doesn't turn the ball over and he doesn't take sacks.
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: And now I'm starting to think, is that more because, hey,
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: would this statistic be true? This guy shoots 50% from three. Oh, wow,
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: that's crazy. How many threes does he take?
• 43:06
  Speaker 3: He's taking two.
• 43:09
  Speaker 4: You know, like, technically, the stat's correct, but it's like,
• 43:11
  Speaker 4: that's a little misleading.
• 43:13
  Speaker 3: That's extreme. Use your eyes.
• 43:16
  Speaker 4: I am using my eyeballs. No, you're not. No, you're not.
• 43:19
  Speaker 3: You're throwing, just watch the games.
• 43:22
  Speaker 4: Use your eyes. Vic, who do you, who?
• 43:25
  Speaker 3: You're throwing stats at us like you're a geek. Just
• 43:28
  Speaker 3: watch the games.
• 43:28
  Speaker 4: Who do you think you are talking to? Well, you're
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: acting very geek-like. I mean, who the hell do you
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: think you're talking to? Brett, is he not trying to
• 43:35
  Speaker 4: advance his theory with stats? I mean, just watch the games.
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: I guess I'm sort of devil's advocating this thing that
• 43:43
  Speaker 4: how do you... Maybe he just is who he is. Well, then...
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I've been on his butt for over two years about things.
• 43:55
  Speaker 4: but he also does some things that are really good, okay?
• 43:59
  Speaker 4: I just don't know where Sean Payton lies on this.
• 44:02
  Speaker 4: And by the way, winning does mask. Because you are 3-2,
• 44:05
  Speaker 4: it'd be a hell of a lot different if you
• 44:09
  Speaker 4: were 1-4. I mean, that patience meter would be... We're
• 44:13
  Speaker 4: not going to judge patience meters this week, but it
• 44:16
  Speaker 4: would be low.
• 44:17
  Speaker 2: I would be thrilled. I'm not even kidding. If Bo
• 44:21
  Speaker 2: Nix threw an interception on Thursday... On a ball that
• 44:25
  Speaker 2: was 40 yards downfield.
• 44:27
  Speaker 3: Why do you think I felt. When you ask me.
• 44:30
  Speaker 3: How are the Broncos going to come out Thursday night.
• 44:32
  Speaker 3: And this is me sort of hoping. Not really predicting.
• 44:36
  Speaker 3: I want them to. I don't care about the run
• 44:39
  Speaker 3: game anymore.
• 44:40
  Speaker 4: I don't care.
• 44:41
  Speaker 3: Zip it. Throw it. Throw it 70 times.
• 44:47
  Speaker 4: I don't care.
• 44:47
  Speaker 3: Get him out of his trunk. Throw it.
• 44:50
  Speaker 4: Dude. I told you yesterday. And I'm going to tell
• 44:53
  Speaker 4: you again today. I'm with you.
• 44:55
  Speaker 3: I'm dead serious. Just go.
• 44:57
  Speaker 4: You are not going to get an argument from me.
• 44:59
  Speaker 3: You can't run the ball. You can't run it. So
• 45:04
  Speaker 3: why bother trying? Let's go.
• 45:07
  Speaker 4: You know what?
• 45:08
  Speaker 3: Now you do it the other way. Pass to set
• 45:10
  Speaker 3: up the run rather than the normal way. Run to
• 45:12
  Speaker 3: set up the pass. Forget that. It's not going to work.
• 45:16
  Speaker 4: Throw it.
• 45:18
  Speaker 2: Well, there is a question I want to get to
• 45:19
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