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Episode 226: Allies (SG-A 2.20) · Get Into Gate: A Stargate Podcast

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Get into Gate episode two hundred and twenty six. We are talking Stargate Atlanta
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season finale time, Mitch, that's me, Brendan, Hello, Maddie HELLI
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Hi, Yes, that's I mean, that's the way at the end of
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it. Why did we end that my last Atlantis podcast that way? Something
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about it doesn't matter. There were your allies and we're like, let's also
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about Craig. How are you? I'm back? Yeah, back, Hey,
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if you're gonna do one finale, you may as well do too,
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right, why not? Here you are? We are play favorites, even
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though I'll be sees everyone's favorite. Sure except for Jacob his favorite universe.
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Yeah, but I think he's the authought you were going to say it was
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origins. No, God, no, we wouldn't be friends. If that
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were the case, it wouldn't have went past the first DM. Yeah.
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Absolutely, Thanks for your time, buddy. But no, but here we
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are season finale. Two seasons in of Stargate Atlantis Allies. It's directed by
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Annimikeea. This one written by the Great Martin Guiro. Wait, Michael,
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he's back. He explains that the Wraith are engaged in civil war and he
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wants to turn the rival Raith's human. In return, the Raith promise a
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wealth of information about their technology. The partnership almost seems too good to be
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true, and as the team soon finds out, it was flies. Yeah
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they suck. That sucks so bad. What the Atlantiste leaving it just believing
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it? Yeah, because why because that's not Michael, that's not what That's
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not Contree really, that is in State from Andromeda. You know, I
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couldn't told you it was, but even from the first man he popped up
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on screen and he said, yeah, yeah, so this is what we
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was talking about. I was talking about you two xco Mitch in Inferno,
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where he had Brandy Leadford, who replaced Lexa Doig while she was on maternity
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to leave from Andromeda. Brent State played the big furry guy in Andromeda Rev
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Beam or something like that, and then left after a couple of seasons because
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all the makeup was going him over like um like Zan from Fastcape. So
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Connatraneers missus was about to pop with their first child, so he was unavailable,
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so they got Brent State in who played Freddi in like season one of
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SG one one of the Like you know how the original Stargate team from the
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movie was like O'Neil Kowalski Farreddi in someone else. Well, Farreddi had a
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blinking your miss A cameo in I want to say maybe episode two of SG
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one. Yeah, played by Brent State, who now came back in fake
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Michael makeup and they just got kind of train in to do voice over work.
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Um, what's his voice? Yeah, so you did anything that,
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yeah, they said, They said, going into Brent State, they said,
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look, we'll try it with you, but just so you know,
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you may get dubbed. And he was like, that's cool. I'm working
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this week. I don't care. Yeah, give me the cash, bro,
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Yeah, it gives a Yeah, that's a I mean, you can
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understand that it's a lot of work to be going into making look like Michael
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to then be like getting a call halfway through the week going oh no,
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it's not like you can just easily reshoot that guy's scenes when they'll be how
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many hours of makeup would go into that sort of I mean, that's a
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that's a fault really getting a lot of close up looks in the Wraith more
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than I think we have so far with the like I noticed the first time,
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the sort of little Gill situation. They've got sort of under yeah area
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and you know, just the it's a lot more pronounced yeah yeah. Yeah,
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there's a lot going on. So image picture now is him with the
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like the fuzzy screen? Yeah? Was what else? Was was he on
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bass or yeah? He has? He has that the conversation with Taylor where
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he's like, you'll never see me again because it's not because Christ spoiler alert
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like conj is back next season. So this is just a one and done
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for Brent State. Now I need to rewatch it. Yeah wow, thanks
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for ging a small homework, Maddie. Now you know how I feel like
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because I have to watch these things like two sometimes three times, so you
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know how I feel. You make it sound like you don't enjoy it,
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loves it? Well, you know you said it. I mean, I
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mean when I've got to sit through a Martin Guiro and Robert C. Cooper
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audio commentary, do you want to offer myself? Yeah, that's where he's
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like, oh God, please take me back last week and let me watch
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an extended version of all of the Rings. Pretty much. Yeah, it
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was a choice between the two. Absolutely good, good choice. Because I'd
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want to offer myself. Yeah, I was taking a bullet. I'm alive
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myself. As they say, are you okay? It's wrong day to ask
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that, mate, there's only one day a year really ask that. Oh
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you can ask any Yeah, they really jumped at it. Like Brennan said,
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they wanted it so badly that they just threw out everything. I mean,
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like what three four episodes ago, they're turning a wraith to they're changing
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the species of someone and then manipulating their consciousness to make them believe that they
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weren't that like that. We come away from that episode saying they were evil
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in this episode, like the Wraith are bad guys, but they're doing and
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they jump, they do all complete one eighty jump in their high horse in
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this episode, and they stay to Michael or whoever the female Wraith assuming their
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gender, that like, you're hang on, you're turning wraith. You can't
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do that, And hang on a second. You did this couple of weeks
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ago. But they were doing some evil shits off the back of knowing that
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they need to beat these guys for two full year. They're very clearly saying
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this two years, two years, two years over two years have been doing
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this, right, John, Let's just kill it and do it for me.
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And then these guys come on on, Hey, we would like to
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team up with you, and they're like, where do we sign? What
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is going on? Guys? And then pauses, do you want your contract?
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Yeah? Backet obviously hasn't you know, he can't you know, be
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inappropriate with the raith Queen like he's with all his other patients, so oh
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you can, yeah, just asleep, And then he pulls out this bullshit.
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When I developed this ractural rids for the wreath, it was the freedom
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from what I perceived to be an unnatural state. Now at the very moment
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they take human for him, he's a horribly painful death. No matter how
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you rationalize this, we're still letting that either kill humans. I guess it
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depends on how you define human. We can't judge an entire racepiece on the
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fact that Michael's experiment didn't work. At the start of that sentence, he
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said, I believe them to be in an unnatural state, and then finish
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the sentence with we can't judge a species based on one person. Are you
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sucking high? Made the whole reason you believe they to be in an unnatural
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state A is false, and B you're judging an entire species. What the
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fuck man canio riding bullshit? My biggest beef was the weird line I was,
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you know, I was this closed, just subbing in roading from the
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other week, going he's not human. But I mean she, yeah,
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she's very right. Like when I was watching that and when he delivered that
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line, they're still killing humans and I'm like, yeah, depending on how
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you look at humans. And then she said that because I'm like, hang
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on it. We can't just jump to court. They're not They weren't born.
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It's not like they were born human and turned into a vampire. Yeah.
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It's not blade where we're trying to turn them back into daywalkcase. It's
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they've evolved at some point. It did diverge, whether you know the ancients
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did it or not. They diverged and they're their own species. And they've
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said it themselves. Them killing humans, they see it no differently to us
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killing cattle. Yeah, So who the fuck is Beckett to get on his
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fucking high horse and go it's an unnatural state? Get made absolutely get well.
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He assumed that based on the ratus bug. Yeah, but they have
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a natural growth cycle. Now that has nothing to do with the ratasbug.
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Yeah, but he didn't know that when he developed the drug. I think
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that's what he was trying to say. Yeah, but then now he knows
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better, but he's still saying that they're we were making them where what they're
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humans? No, they were never human. He turned them human. Yeah.
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That's like me painting black and white spots on you calling you a cow
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so I could eat you. You know what I mean, if I identify
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as a cow, you can. It's twenty twenty three, Mattie. I
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mean I've miled you a few times. That's very different podcast. Yeah,
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I just don't the whole idea of it was to change the raith. It's
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a biological it's biological warfare. So you're changing the wraith into humans. So
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if they got CULD, they would still be eaten by wraith. So what's
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the difference, Yeah, given them not because he should have thought about that
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before he created the drug. Yeah, right, because he's like, Okay,
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I can turn raith into humans, but he can't turn every wraith in
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the galaxy human at once. So at some point either way, Wraith,
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we're going to feed on humans who used to be raced, haven't they blazy?
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Getting squeaming? Faith can feed on other raith anyway, I'm pretty sure
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they've established that, I don't think so. Does that sound familiar me?
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It doesn't to me. No, that sounds familiar. Maybe that's later,
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Okay, maybe that's the other thing too, like why did STA fall for
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this trick when they know that the Wraith are happy to take one for the
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team, like they Kamakazi into Atlantis for thousands of years for the benefit of
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the race. And it's not like, oh, yeah, we're now we're
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going to eat each other. It's like, yeah, well that could do
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that anyway. That's what I was just about to ask. Is it that
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much of a leap for the belief that here I am now siding with them?
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That wasn't my intent, but I was about to ask before you said
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that, Yeah that if they've always been the race, the race, the
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race, it doesn't we you know, we can sacrifice each other. What
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is the difference? I guess how much of a difference is there between that
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and feeding off each other to keep groups a through f alive. If they're
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going to feed. Yeah, in season one, he that one Raith who
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survived on that planet where John Shepherd was fighting him. He fed the crew
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the defiant one. Yeah, oh did he? I thought he was just
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so they can but it's not like what is it like? Just not as
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Oh it's like eating a salad instead of a steak or something like. God,
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who would that? Right? I thought he was solo. I don't
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ever picked up on that, believe. So that's what I'm kind of just
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thinking about. My issue is the whole plan was from the start because the
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Raith brought it up when they were like and what match Pop were like,
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it's been two years. In that speech, they say, in the two
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years since the Raith awoke, we've now realized that there's not enough humans in
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this galaxy to sustain us. But that's why they went to sleep. Yeah,
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go back to sleep. Then, So here we go on Stargate dot
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fandom dot com. Nourishment for the adult raith is the human life force.
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Humans or very similar beings example, ancients or other wraith are the only food
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source that can properly nourish a Wraith. They are capable of cannibalism. Yeah,
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so what's the whole point in Change. Yeah, episode done. But
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also, yeah, just go back to sleep. Yeah, because if if
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I'm I guess the idea was, oh, there's a rich feeding ground in
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the Milky Way, let's collectively go there. But then we can't. Okay,
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well go you guys, go back to sleep. That the rest of
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us who can kind of sustain ourselves will try and attack Atlantis and get to
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Earth. When we get to Earth, will wakes up. Yeah, come
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up, because Yeah, the first queen we're introduced to back in Rising isn't
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even called a queen at the time. She's called the caretaker, and they
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reference that in this episode that they're just a few caretakers around. Yeah.
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That look after everyone's sleeping in their pods. So it's like, everyone just
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go back to sleep. That's the only plan. Like if if the Wraith
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had come, that's what i'ld been I'm like, well, if you're feeding
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the Wraith, you're helping them. Yes, you're taking getting rid of,
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you know, some of the Wraith, but you're just making the other Raith
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stronger. Yeah, definitely make it easier for us to kill them if they're
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all back asleep. Yeah, yeah, exactly for sure. It's actually been
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a long time since I've seen this episode. I tend to skip this one
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a lot of It's got a lot of mistakes because um fucking Radick was supposed
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to have vetted the whole information because it was off the networked computer. Yeah,
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that they downloaded from the Wraith. So but that, oh, no,
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there is a virus in it turns out, yeah, but it was
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also he said, I thought I thought that was kind of clever in that
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it wasn't a virus that was going to try and steal information from us.
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It was a virus that just deleted itself. Like that was kind of what
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they said. Like so basically, like the Wraith gave up their entire dart,
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the database of viruses. So what you're saying is they should have printed
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at all. And yeah, no, I'm saying I'm saying the reason the
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reason they put it onto Snapchat yea, Yeah, the reason they put it
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onto a non networked computer is because they thought it would be a race Raith
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virus that would try and bury into the Atlantis computers to get the location of
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Earth, and so they ended up putting it on the Atlantis computers. No,
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it was never on the Atlantis computers. What it was though, is
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they thought they had all the information of the Wraith and they could use that,
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but then the Wraith database just started deleting itself. So that way the
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Wraith like that was the one thing that we asked from the Wraith to make
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it all seem worth while, because Roddy has that lined about everything you've ever
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wanted about the Raith but too afraid to ask or whatever. But then,
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yeah, it was a snapchat and after you viewed it once, it just
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started deleting itself, so within you know, half an hour, they were
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going to have nothing in terms of the lost their whole bioweapon against the Raith.
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Yeah, and then so the Wraith got everything they wanted and then left
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Atlantis with nothing. Um. And then yeah, and obviously by the end
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of the episode managed to get the location of Earth and True Rodney or something
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like that, and decided they were just like, Okay, I guess we
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can make it now and just decide they're going to start traveling there. Yeah,
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that's what I sort of got lost at the end where it was just
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going to drop there was like, hey, we got you. It's like
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what Earth and Bang like Rodney's face, you know, cut the credits and
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I was like cool, but like we've always known where Earth is, but
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it's just a really long way to get so we weren't able to get back
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there until you know, well we managed to find a zz PM and you
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know, we got the ships and blah blah blah blah blah and travel way
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slower than yeah, So I'm like, cool, good on is there's also
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like just look at the star and just start going towards you know, like
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there'd be other galaxies out there you could sure you could get to them,
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but like you haven't. So yeah, like you know where Earth is?
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Big shit? And was that weird line where they were like gloating to Roddie
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being like, oh, you're going to see your world be destroyed or whatever.
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So it's like, what they're going to put him in hibernation because he's
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not going to survive the trip. He's going to age out by the in
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the centuries it takes them to get to the way or even like just on
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time. They referenced that right at the start where they was sort of dictating
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the plan and whether or not it would be worth going along with it,
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and they said, look, they're going to feed on each other. That'll
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be They said, you know, you're you're measly human lives. You know,
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by the time we're finished feeding on each other and turning ourselves into humans
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needing though, you're going to be long gone. I'm like, so,
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how many, like how many of you are there with that's a viable option
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for you that for the next eight, nine, ten, twenty decades.
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I don't know that you could be feeding off each other and that that would
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be an acceptable thing, which then obviously led to a great scene that Brendan
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laughing that weird before I had to laugh, Like, there was a moment
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in an Inferno where she, you know, referencing the hot doctor on the
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other planet and immediately needs to accompany John back to that planet and this one,
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and he's like, yeah, I'm not worried about myself. I'm kind
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of thinking about my grandkids. And then she's looking at she said, oh
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my god, you're thinking about children, Oh my god. And I'm like,
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but I'm like, yeah, cool. Also, are you planning on
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staying Because it wasn't like they were worried about the Raith finding Earth at that
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point. It was like they're going to be killing people in this galaxy once
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they stop feeding on each other. And he's like, yeah, I'm not,
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and I get that was just a metaphor. I'm thinking about grandkids.
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He goes, no, I want to stop you now because I want to
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stop you forever. But yeah, like I know, the Raith think long
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term, and they think for the race, the betterment of the race,
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But I mean, how long term are you starting to think when you're like,
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yeah, well we know where Earth is now and we can we can
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make that journey. Most of us are going to die before we get there,
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but at least if something survives, then we'll be Okay. Yeah,
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I don't know. That's very sacrificed. It was fine, We was fine,
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Yeah, John, just let him kill him. She's to me,
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she's no different to m Hammond. Hammond used to pull that kind of bullshit
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all the time. Remember, we used to make fun of him because it's
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like Jack and Daniel would sit down and be like, Okay, so we
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need to do this and here's why, and they do a full, like
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fifteen point power point presentation on why they need to do it. Hammond sits
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through the entire thing, he just goes, you had me at point one.
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He did all the time, So it's just it's just that's fine.
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He did listen to the argument. But they have Daniel Jackson an SG one
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who is the kind of ethical their moral moral compass, as you might say,
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So they don't have that. Well she is, and that's the thing,
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miss John. Let him eat him. She's obviously the look at look
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at Daniel with with Son of an Ubist. He was like, just put
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two in his head straight away, you know. So I think you can
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draw parallels between all the Atlantis people and all the SG one people, and
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we did that kind of back in Rising, And yeah, We're is the
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closest to Daniel out of any character, Like they are the clones of each
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other in the same way McKay is Carter, like McKay is to Carter,
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as as his weirdiest to Daniel. Yeah, but because Weir is also the
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Hammond, she does feel a lot of roles and she can't she can't have
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those philosophical moral conversations with herself. Yeah. I was going to say,
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if Carter's to Rodney, I'm so confused right now, because Rodney Rodney can
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speak right in a pink bikini. Rodney can speak or read ancient. He's
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actually kind of better Carter can. Carter knows which way to turn at emp
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Polese who are the start? So you know, I think, yeah,
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Carter is probably smarter than Rodney, but he feels that. Yeah, I
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just mean just in terms of yeah, they're both the science for sure.
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Obviously Jack and Joe are you know, the same person. Um, Taylor
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and Ronan are both kind of deal down because nothing Taylor, yeah and Ford
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was was nothing forward was just kind of leftovers. So yeah, so um,
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yeah, they've kind of just taken you know, if you break each
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character from SG one, Like I guess Taylor is kind of a moral compass
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because she's like I was against this from the start. Yeah, she's still
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trying to help Michael even though she didn't agree with what they were doing,
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and she can read like all the local languages and stuff. There was Yeah,
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there was a cool scene in this with her where it's like where she
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kind of had it she remember how I didn't want to do this. Yeah
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from the start, I'm I'm the one with the most Wraith experience and anybody
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Bassey Ronan, Yeah, she just doesn't have a big enough voice. Ronan
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just wants to kill everything no matter what. Yeah, like, yeah,
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hey, we bet this new guy kill him. I feel like he wanted
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to kill the Effosions. Yeah the start. Taylor's like, my people are
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now you know, Oh that's right, ferry across to Atlantis. They're safe.
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And then we're who doesn't care at all? And like how did it
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go smoothly? And Ronan's like they're used to it. Come they resisted?
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Shoot, just leave him there every time. Every time they have to move,
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he makes sure only ninety percent of the mega Yeah, it's like run
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run, It's just like a puddle jumper that flies up opens the rampant tips
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on the stunned the Phosians they can stick. I actually, do you know
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what I'd love to see is a do were they resisting? No? I
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just shot them anyway. I love to see deleted scene where it's just like
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an Atlantis pilot and Ronan in the front of a jumper and then it's just
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like full of Ethosians and they're just singing that song and Ronan's just just kill
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me because he's just listening to them just sing this. The m stuns himself.
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Yeah, just so he doesn't have to hear them singing in the background,
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singing that song that Taylor sung, Yeah, and critical Man, and
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they go and leave. He just forces doctor Beckett to fly puddle Jumper over
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the Ethosian village and he just kind of shots him like pigs, like um
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out the side of a chopper, like shooting like sharks and fish and stuff
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in ocean. He's just doing that to Ethosians, stinky bass. That's that's
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why you never see Remember remember was the little kid's name, Ghetto or whatever
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his name was. Remember the kid from like episode two who got lost,
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and remember how we never see him again because Ronan hunted him. Yeah,
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that's what I want to see, is like episode of Ronan hunting the Ethan.
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Yeah. I think there's a wraith on the island. It's actually just
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Roight. Yeah, Ghetto's skin is actually up in his quarters, up on
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the trophy, like you turned him into a lamp shape. You know,
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people get butterflies and they stick the pins in them. That's what he's got.
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He's got framed Ethosians on his wall that are just splayed out, their
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spatch cocked, their spatch cocks he's like, he's like the like the predator.
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Every time he feels like just training himself, he just drops himself on
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the island couples. Yeah. I like that moment though, that when they
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were sitting around the round table and deciding whether or not this is a good
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idea, and you know, everyone knows how Roman feels. And then we
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still was looking at him and he's like what And she's like, well,
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no, hey, what do you think? Like she was maybe open to
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hearing a negative opinion on the whole deal, considering she was very clearly,
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look, she's just she's just letting people of color have a voice. But
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then he's like, yet, no, no, that's a good idea,
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Like John said, I mean, this is kind of where we want to
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get to anyway. So I'm like, are you just covering your bases?
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But he's like, he's like, let them do what they need to do
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because they know they're going to portray us and that's when I get to shoot
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them. Yeah. So the idea of this is that does it work permanently
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now? Because they kept trying to give Michael his diabetes drugs. Beckett made
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that very clear right before the Caretaker, which woman she fed on. The
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bloke had been due and that Beckett said something along the lines of, oh,
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he's going to eat you know, don't worry, you'll be back to
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normal in a couple of days, and then Gi vomp sort of feeding on
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him, so I think yeah, he was like, hey, look this
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sucks for you right now. You're feeling very hard. So it's like we're
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just showing you that it works. It's like a drive through takeaway. So
23:21
it's like the Wraith go around when they're hungry, convert an entire hie to
23:26
humans, binge on them all because they've only got a couple of days to
23:29
do it, yea, and then taste better. Yeah, rather than convert
23:33
everybody now and then just put him on a farm. Yeah, it's a
23:36
good way to do it. I guess it's like, yeah, go around,
23:40
find a cow, turn him into a hamburger fresh let it change back
23:45
into a cow. Yeah, no age, although I mean he does then
23:51
open them up to find a defense because they obviously they reference it in this
23:55
episode, which is something I think we forgot to talk about Brendan back in
23:57
Aurora when we were saying, like, why is called well so stressed and
24:02
got like two c stuff like that that um they mentioned in this the code
24:10
to block the nuclear transport and they give us that back. So yeah,
24:14
obviously that's why back in Aurora that um Coldwell was so worried because yeah,
24:18
they can't be nukes over it at the moment. Yeah. Um, but
24:22
yeah now they can because of this. But it's like the Ray then well
24:26
if if the code they gave him was knowing like the Wraith, knowing that
24:30
what their plan was was to sort of you know, the snapchat data,
24:33
Yeah, did they give us the real one knowing that we weren't going to
24:37
be able to use their code or my find out next week? Ye remember
24:40
because before that, before we found out for sure that like they were deleting
24:44
everything. That moment where Rodney sort of very unconfidently communicates to the Raith ship,
24:48
it's like, hey, um, could you just see totally uh yeah,
24:52
put put your jamming on and we're going to use you the anti jamming
24:55
code that and we're just going to see where this thing will work. Could
24:57
you do that? And they're like, yeah, okay, we can do
25:00
that. I'm like, why would they like unless you have someone there to
25:03
you know, Rea turn to prove that they're turning, you send the code.
25:10
Yep, what couldn't in the case. But then also the fact that
25:15
the Wraith so quickly came up with the jamming code within the first five minutes
25:19
of that initial battle with the Dedalus or whatever it was, Like, so
25:22
if they're just gonna they just match the frequency. Yeah, So if this
25:27
new way they're going to be turning fraith into humans is going to have to
25:30
be on a hive by hive basis and not everybody at once, what's then
25:33
to think that the other Wraith aren't going to come up with a countermeasure quickly
25:38
as quickly as that to whatever way they decide to disseminate this thing. After
25:42
after say the first five hives, someone's going to go, Okay, well
25:45
we know how to how to counter so and then it's not permanent either.
25:52
That's the annoying things like yeah, you can do it, but then what
25:55
you put them in a camp and give them diabetes drugs forever, like yeah,
25:57
it's a lot of resources. Yeah, and that's and now their cage
26:02
animals instead of free range, which as we know, is actually worse.
26:04
Yeah, free range tastes better. Like if yeah, if you get if
26:07
you're get to eat something, let it be free range, because that's more
26:10
humane. They're having it in a cage, so they're they're just being more
26:12
I think it's better. Well, I guess you could just make them humans
26:17
so they easier to kill and kill them. That's the only thing you could
26:19
do. Yeah, before they turn back to Raith, and that's what the
26:23
Wraith want to do. Do they actually want to do that or they just
26:26
wanted to get our ship? I think yeah, maybe the Yeah, they
26:32
wanted to get the information to find a way to be able to counteract it
26:34
because they were worried about it, because obviously Michael is the one that told
26:37
them all about it. Yeah, so they're like, we need to make
26:41
sure this doesn't become a thing. If we come up with this fucking Jedi
26:45
could a tar level plan of shit. We can get that information and try
26:49
and come up with their own countermeasures to it, and in the meantime get
26:52
the addressed to Earth and over Atlantis. Because I'm trying to remember the main
26:59
climax before they betrayed them, they all went to that one hive to try
27:03
and to try and turn them into human and then Michael just dipped right,
27:06
just bounced out of the town. Yeah, is that what happened out of
27:11
here? And then the other ship captured Rudney and that yeah, left him
27:14
high and dry or something like that. Yeah, and they're like, oh,
27:17
we got on Earth, so that ship was going Earth. Why just
27:22
just wanted to somehow. Yeah, they the Michaels ship that they're on or
27:27
the other guys. No, No, because Michael doesn't have a hive.
27:30
He's a man without a hive. Yeah. Although we did see in this
27:33
episode sidebar Um the Wraith Transport, the little the little thing that the Queen
27:41
came in on. That was that thing. Remember we said like we only
27:45
saw it as like a blip on a screen a couple of episodes ago,
27:48
and I was like, oh, we've only ever seen Dart's cruisers and hives.
27:52
But then there's other this other weird transport when this is the first time
27:56
we've actually seen it in person, which means this was probably the kind of
27:59
ship that Dual State crashed on on that and that Werewolf episode. Yeah,
28:03
yeah, but it's the I think it's the one I done. I don't
28:06
think we see this ship again. I don't remember it, but it's it's
28:08
like a weird it's been looking at my phone. It's like a weird like
28:12
extra big because it gets escorted in like it's this. Yeah. Yeah,
28:17
it's like a dart. It's like a dart. Yeah yeah, yeah,
28:23
um yeah. So that's the Raith Transport ship and that's what the Weird Queen
28:27
came in on. I like that. I like their ships, like they're
28:30
very alien looking. There's it's it's very messy, like in some kind of
28:36
structure design, like the very end of dark points and stuff. But yeah,
28:40
it does it. It looks kind of organic, is it really?
28:44
They're growing? They're organic ships, right, I mean I know there's a
28:45
lot of organic shift in the middle, but I don't know the actual Yeah.
28:51
Remember how much hasn't seen Atlantis at all? You could tell away looking
28:55
at them clearly, not mate, it's my fold if you're not smart enough
29:00
to see it. Mate. Craig's final yeah know they cut him out of
29:10
the rest of the episode. Yeah, the transport it kind of looked like
29:15
a dart that just had a lot of scabs that have just sort of grown
29:17
over the top of it. Yeah. Yeah, And I think we see
29:19
a lot on the inside of the ship too in Lost Boys, where like
29:25
remember they're throwing the knives at the control and it's all like yeah, like
29:27
gooey and gooey and mesh in like the cell doors. I think they've said
29:32
that. They said it's organic based. Yeah, definitely, pretty sure it's
29:36
um It's a shame they haven't tried to mind Michael again, Bob being like,
29:42
you actually think you're a wraith. That's so funny. Yah, you
29:47
actually were. You think you were a wraith that we turned human. You're
29:51
actually human that we experimented by turning into a wraith and now you think you're
29:55
one of them, And just like idiot, just mind melt him enough to
29:59
like put him off his game because right now he thinks he's returned to his
30:02
people, which he clearly has, or at least that's what I'm supposed to
30:03
believe, because that's because he can't remember ship from before that. Yeah,
30:07
why he still got his fancy haircut. He's like, I'm different to all
30:11
you other people. Yeah yeah, yeah, just the full Yeah, but
30:15
like just really try and like his his his anger, his vengeance, his
30:18
plan, his motivations that are slightly skewed against what we're led to believe the
30:22
other versions of the Wraith, which at some point there's going to be some
30:26
infighting whether or not we believe their story at the moment or not. They
30:29
are fighting for survival. It's going to come up at some point. Why
30:33
not try and mess with the genesis of all that. And as far as
30:36
Michael goes and be like, dude, no, what you obviously we lied
30:40
to you, then we lied to you about lying to you. This is
30:42
actually the truth or is it? I don't know. Go go away and
30:45
have a think about it, Michael. They need the Jedia to come up
30:48
with a concluded plan. Yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll bring that guy
30:52
back now that we're kind of mates with redeem bring him back and say,
30:56
well he come and think of some real like layer upon layer upon layish ship
31:00
and got us are like onions. I feel like I feel like SG one
31:07
got a better cliffhanger. Yeah, in terms of budget and scope, and
31:11
I feel like, um, SGA, they've been in this situation before,
31:17
They've been on Hives and then yeah, it's not that much. I mean,
31:21
I guess the only hangover and we don't really get a payoff till next
31:23
next season. Is the Wraith now know where Earth is? Like they've known
31:29
they always did? No, no, no, no no. But I
31:32
mean they knew that they knew the Earth existed and the like, because John
31:37
and the Terminator gave it up in like episode one. Yeah, that there's
31:41
billions of people on Earth, but they didn't know where it was. They
31:45
just knew it. They didn't even know what galaxy. No, So they
31:48
were trying to come to Atlantis to get that information and get to where we
31:52
needed to go to. Then they didn't specifically know that they had to use
31:56
Atlantis to stargate would be the only way to get there. They just even
32:00
know the location in the galaxy so that they can head there, can hive
32:02
it and start, yeah, start as a new feeding ground. Okay,
32:06
that makes sense. How did they find out then? In this episode?
32:09
I wasn't being that much pick it up. I felt like I was,
32:14
And then all of a sudden, that's that was the microdrop at the end
32:16
was out. They actually got to Earth, though they efficiently farm us or
32:22
they just have like a massive KFC binge and just be like humans are gone.
32:30
They get a coole episode of Buffy back in the nineties where they kind
32:32
of did that where like one vampire just decided to like mass produce blood.
32:37
So instead of vampires like hunting humans and just like biting them one at a
32:43
time, they would just like capture people, throw them this in the machine,
32:45
where like ten different syringes just like jabbed into their bodies, sucked all
32:50
their blood out and just bottled it. Didn't they know about true Blood?
32:53
Yeah, prey, True Blood made that true blood bullshit. Blood Blood was
33:00
actually good. It had titties in it. Yeah, titties thanks to the
33:08
sound bit of all things to come through clearly. Yeah, I'm just trying
33:19
to remember. I don't think Buffy had full titties. There's a lot of
33:22
cleave. It had a Liza. Buffy was made for children. True Blood
33:28
was made for adults. Yeah that's true. Why didn't they just fair that
33:31
show, that show made for adults about fairies. I'm okay with that because
33:36
Anna Packwin had a rock and board. I will I will see I will
33:39
see you Anna Packwin and raise you Eliza dish Coop any day of the week.
33:44
Very good point. I'll get raised for both and Charisma Carpenter's daughter and
33:50
True lies, Daddy will catch you. Deborah and Wall ties in it.
33:54
Yeah she's noa mate, that's come on, Deborah and Wall. I was
34:00
going to say, yeah, I agree with you Brennan that the SG one
34:04
probably had the better cliffhanger. I felt like this was the better finale overall
34:08
because like the Yeah, I feel like, like I said last week,
34:12
the the SG one finale didn't feel like a season finale to me until probably
34:16
the last was it the set ten minutes? I reckon, that's something I
34:20
think because it looked well the Cameralot set was it really didn't feature in that
34:23
much like we're in that room a lot. It was swinging wide if you
34:25
think about it, the first half the episode where like in the mud playing
34:29
with swords, and the second half the episode we're like having one of the
34:32
better looking space battles. Oh no, for sure. You know what we
34:36
didn't actually mention, but that that that one shot where us po v Carter
34:40
Yeah, and you were seeing these giant ships just run out next to her,
34:45
and I'm like, that's a great looking shot. Amazing. That was
34:49
the first finale for Sun in a long long time where I was like,
34:52
oh well yeah, yeah, like how do we get And we didn't mention
34:54
it last week, and we probably should probably should say until next week or
34:58
have done it last week. But obviously, obviously we see that one of
35:02
the Dedalist class ships is destroyed. It's either the Odyssey from Galax. Sorry,
35:09
yeah, either the Odyssey or the Corals. Yeah, but it's like,
35:15
yeah, but it's like, if it's the coralv well, Daniel and
35:19
Cameron were on that one, and if it's the Odyssey, someone else from
35:22
SU. I think maybe Tilk was on. He was on an get its
35:27
definitely the incompetent Russians, like come on spoiler alert looking at the real world,
35:32
mate, like the Russians are incompetent as But we're talking about the show
35:36
where the spoiler, the cliffhanger is that we know that there's two Dedalists class
35:42
watched the next week's episode, yet we're talking about last week's. Obviously SG
35:46
one weren't on one ship. No, they work with Maybe that were split
35:50
up. So I think Carter, well, I guess she would have beamed
35:52
off the Odyssey. Yeah, the Odyssey that died, because I'm pretty sure
35:55
they were still I thought that was still traveling to the supergate. But when
36:00
we should have talked about all of this last week. During the Giant Battle.
36:05
There are two Dedalist class ships in the battle, yes, one being
36:07
the Odyssey, one being the Coral I thought the Coralev got there late,
36:10
but they're both there for the battle. To see the three or A ships
36:15
come through the super gate. Yeah, at one point, right at the
36:17
end, you see it or A ship destroy one of the Dedalist class ships
36:22
and the cliffhanger Bean was. We don't know which one is, but that's
36:28
what I'm saying. If it's the Cora Lev, which everyone goes, well,
36:30
it's got to be the Coral Lev because they're not going to kill the
36:31
Odyssey. Daniel and Mitchell were on board the Coral Lev. Yes, so
36:37
that's the cliffhanger going. Well, we assume it's the Coral V. But
36:40
two of SG one are on board the Coral Lev. Didn't Mitchell jump into
36:44
three Z two that's next week. No, it's not. He said it
36:46
in this episode. Yes he did. He did. He said it.
36:51
He said it's a colonel Russian dude sitting in the and then three seconds later
36:54
it gets blown up. So you don't let's wrap it up you're not right,
37:02
but you're trying to say that you're right even though the Odyssey died,
37:07
but it didn't spoiler alert, it's the Coral Lev that is the one that
37:10
got blown up. The Odyssey survives because what I'm saying didn't die. I
37:16
thought it was clear it was the Coral Elev that blew up. I didn't
37:20
wasn't even looking at it. I thought I thought it was totally clear that
37:22
it was the Coral Lev. It was one. It was an external shot
37:25
of the beam weapon hitting it. And like I said, the whole point
37:30
is Daniel and Cameron were on board the Coral Lev. Sure Cameron may have
37:35
gone and jumped on a three or two spoiler Twinn, who hasn't seen all
37:38
the time, I was a better go, oh, yeah we did.
37:42
We did see that. But I'm thinking about this episode where we see Shepherd
37:45
get into a ship to go out and fight the Wraith, and then he
37:47
also disappears this one. So I'm like, I'm like, yeah, but
37:52
no, I get known in the sense that like we see it, we
37:54
don't like, yeah, we don't know until the four of us in this
37:59
room have all seen the next episode for next season at some point in our
38:02
lives. Yeah, so we're looking at it from future knowledge. When this
38:06
episode aired. Also, none of us knew which ship was blown up.
38:09
And I'm also looking at it from pretty fresh eyes because even at the end
38:13
with A like going on one of the Oro ships and we see Vala,
38:16
they're pregnant looking out the window, I'm like, oh yeah, and then
38:20
she like, oh shit, she's gonna go into the labor and I'm like,
38:22
oh yeah, ah right, Like I'm just I'm slowly catching up with
38:24
knowledge that I've forgotten for like ten fifteen years. So I still think it
38:29
was clear it was the Corral. It was why didn't that rock up?
38:31
That's the other thing I was wondering, why didn't they ask Bal to come.
38:35
I honestly thought, when till Gent, I'm going to get allies and
38:37
through attack and he's like going through these people and I'm like, oh shit,
38:40
he's gonna ask for Bal for help, Like that's why I honestly thought
38:44
we were going That's what And I'm like, should I forget? That would
38:46
have been amazing? And then like bar three bars die? Who care?
38:51
Yeah? Still cool. This is a fantastic conversation in the absolute wrong episode.
38:54
We'll talk about him next week. Yeah no, no, I yeah,
38:58
well finale next week. I think where I like about this one?
39:02
Yeah yeah. The season finaliness to this episode for me is the first time
39:07
Watcher is at the starts like, hey, we're going to team up with
39:12
the Wraith, and it was just this slow building like is this real?
39:15
Like this would definitely be a one eighty from where we've where we've come from.
39:22
Are we actually going to do that? Like that would be different.
39:23
I mean we've done that with the Gould to a sense, like where we've
39:27
had, you know, an alliance with bar for like one particular mission because
39:30
he was the lesser of seven different evils or something. But so early with
39:37
a race like the Wraith, it is different enough, and you just knew
39:42
that it wasn't It wasn't as it seemed. And even that moment where we
39:45
are there was where she was talking to Michael on a TV. I think
39:49
it was like when it had all been you know, blown out that it
39:52
was they'd been deceiving us, and she was sort of talking she did that
39:57
right, She's kind of like, yeah, I knew you're always going to
39:59
do it, so just so you know, if you think you filled me,
40:02
you didn't all the way because I kind of always knew you were going
40:05
to do this, and it's like, yeah, but they still kind of
40:07
did, which sucks. So I think overall, just a finale feeling.
40:12
I think the cliffhanger was just so like left fielding away from me. I
40:14
definitely prefer the cliffhanger too. So it's like that space battle at the end
40:19
of like this, at the thirty two minute mark of this Atlantis episode,
40:22
I'm like, that's a great episode. Thing of this Atlantis episode is that
40:27
we all knew as an audience that the race were probably actually definitely going to
40:31
betray us. Yeah. No, I feel like the Wraith are much more
40:35
intelligent than we give them credit for, and like the Ball, he's about
40:38
as intelligent as what we give him credit for. Yeah, I'll claim myself.
40:45
Hey, just the snake, no, all of it. I like
40:50
this host. He's got a good Rige Schlang on him. Hey, we
40:59
had one out o Jesus Episode two twenty five, Getting a Gate. That's
41:07
Stargate SG A season two finale, done and dust the guys. We're gonna
41:09
be back next week talking more SG one, but we're still on the SG
41:14
nine bandwagon. We're gonna do some bloody ranks nine eight team. It was
41:21
very clear SG one season nine like SG one S nine, I should but
41:25
I was like, spoilers and Mirrors is going to be called SG nine's sick.
41:30
I would be sick because then it's like just a science group. I
41:35
get captured and replaced every single and Rodney's in charge of their base. It's
41:39
a new cast every week. One. It's like it's like a black mirror.
41:44
They just die at the end of your episode, and then next week
41:45
it's a new SG nine doing full anthology. Stargate amazing love do it besos.
41:52
Yeah, we're gonnak some some ranking next, good old fashioned rank.
41:55
Yeah, it's been a while. It has been a long time. I
41:59
guess I almost forgot how to rank. Yeah, well, I think we're
42:01
going to struggle next week trying to figure out how to just get it calling,
42:05
you know, just warm it up, get it going, and then
42:07
get warm. I guess I guess empty empty the hairy mailback too, well,
42:13
maybe we bring Create back in is a bit of a fluffer, you
42:15
know, going to help get everything started and start you don't want that you
42:19
don't want to. I'm on the side of the desk. It's got nothing
42:25
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