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EDP30: Tokyo World Championships begins - Womens Marathon & 10,000m, 1500m Heats with SHOCK exits · Easy Double podcast

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  Hello, welcome back to the Easy Double Podcast episode 30,
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  joined as always by Owen Smith and the Menzies.
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  Now it's actually taken us, not that you guys listening would
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  know. It's taken us a while to get
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  started here, seeing as my time zone conversions weren't quite
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  up to point this week and we've been flustering around for the
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  past hour or so. But we're here now and we're
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  ready to rock'n'roll. So welcome, Owen.
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  How are you doing Sunday morning?
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  Sunday morning. I'm going to go with my long run
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  now in a little bit. But yeah, it's the struggles of
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  running a podcast when we're over the other side of the well,
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  we're all stretched across the world.
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  But no, I'm good. Yeah.
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  And then because you're not getting online and all waking up
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  until like 7 and I'm and still seeing seeing all the results
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  that have happened overnight for you and obviously me and Dean
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  have been sat there watching it. You're like what?
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  Who's out? What's happened?
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  Yeah. So it's good for one of the
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  sessions is really good in Ireland and then the other one
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  is it's like out like half 11, it starts out.
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  So like, I'm not going to stay up for that one.
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  Yeah, fair enough. And welcome also to Dean.
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  How are you doing Sunday afternoon?
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  Command doing well, yeah, excited to be on and been able
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  to. I think I'm like, oh, we're sort
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  of and unusual for for us in Perth, we've been pretty lucky
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  in terms of time zone. So what Tokyo is an hour
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  different to Perth, so the session times work in really
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  well, which has been nice. So yeah, tuned into a couple of
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  good sessions of athletics so far.
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  Yeah, I can't work out because I think in my head when I look at
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  the map, Tokyo, at least in my head, is like east of us in
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  Australia, but they're an hour ahead.
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  But maybe like when you actually look at the map, they're not E.
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  That's just all in my head. But I don't know if we want to
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  leave this in, but it isn't Melbourne.
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  Sort of like Melbourne's east of us and they're two hours, 3
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  hours ahead of us. Oh yeah, I got that wrong.
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  I meant West in my head. Tokyo, Japan and Asia is all
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  West of Australia. Sure, sure, sure.
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  The world's not flat, Ryan. It's curved.
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  I don't start all this, but we've just been chatting offline
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  as well about how the competition, the medal
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  competition is kicked off and how many points we've gotten
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  stuff because obviously we've got the first couple of sets of
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  results coming through. So thanks to everyone who
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  entered the competition and who took the time to fill the form
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  out on messages and get involved and even give us some feedback.
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  So kind of looking forward to seeing how that progresses as
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  the competition goes. But did you see that?
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  Well, Ted G, the Ethiopian, I can't remember which race she
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  was listed for now, but she was obviously came under the
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  limelight with the drugs ban and stuff just ahead of it.
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  And I think that's kind of messed with a couple of people's
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  picks, myself included. I think I had the down for a
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  silver medal. I can confirm I've got the
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  spreadsheet up and yeah, eight people I think of a similar, you
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  know, in a similar boat to yourself.
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  So yeah, quite unfortunate there, but there's been a few
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  casualties in across the board so far.
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  So neither of you guys had Welsh had G, no.
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  I don't think so. Nah, dodged that bullet.
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  But that one, that one really hit a nerve where where Ireland
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  because it was highlighted in the clubhouse that and well Teji
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  came second in the World Championships in Budapest 1500
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  and Karen Mcgegan from Ireland came 4th.
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  So let's be real, if she's doping now, she's doping back
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  then as well, which means she wouldn't have came second Kim
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  McGee and would have got a bronze medal in the World
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  Championship for Ireland, which does not come around very often.
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  And now Kim Mcgeegan, she's unfortunately come down with
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  cancer. So that's what she's on the
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  scene this year. And so, yeah, it's it's just
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  terrible. Let's be real.
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  Like, I know it's unfortunate that she's sick now.
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  Like she she could have a world bronze medal.
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  And yeah, it's just, it's really, really not fair.
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  Yeah. And again, that's a prime
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  example, a close to home example of kind of like what we've been
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  talking about the past few months with all these cases that
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  crop up, isn't it? I didn't quite look into it
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  enough for the know if you guys know the details.
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  But why this was kind of going on so late with, well, Ted June?
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  Like why it was an argument between like the CAS, the core
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  operation sport and like the wider world anti dopant agency.
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  Like you're kind of one of them was pushing for it to be tested
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  again and the other one was saying she didn't need to and
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  then she eventually done the test to think and has been found
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  to test positive. So I don't, yeah, I don't really
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  understand what was going on there, but at least she's out.
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  Yeah, she should be out for fucking life.
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  Because they've saved face, I guess.
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  If imagine she had the competed, she had the medal and then in
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  the test and afterwards she would have been guilty anyway
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  and that just wouldn't have been a good luck with it.
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  I wouldn't be surprised, but no, it wouldn't be.
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  Good luck. It brings me on to actually, did
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  you see that's the best Sebastian saw away the guy who's
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  won Valencia and another one recently, he's started as
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  proactive drugs, drug test and ahead of is it Berlin, he's in
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  line 4. Yeah, having a crack at the
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  world record. Yeah, like fair play to him for
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  going out of there and doing that.
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  But at the same time, you're like, athlete shouldn't have to
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  do that, but you can obviously see where he's coming from.
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  And kind of this is almost like what we've been crying for,
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  being proactive about it. And obviously he's from Kenya,
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  so he knows all of the doubt and stuff that surrounds him and
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  he's going to have a crack at the world record.
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  He wants to make sure it's entirely clean and there's no
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  questions asked. So fair play to him.
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  What has he run 202? 202, yeah.
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  Which is crazy, but it's believable if you get me.
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  Like, it's not like the woman's one was two or nine.
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  That just wasn't believable. So yeah, at least 25 anti doping
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  controls in the two months before the Berlin Marathon.
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  Tests include unannounced out of competition controls using the
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  most advanced lab post calls, all testing managed
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  independently by the AIU. So and his team have no
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  knowledge of test timing or methods.
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  And he says I'm tired of reading what people write in the press
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  and on social media. There's always doubt or an
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  accusation when the athlete is a Kenyan.
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  I think he's speaking directly to your own.
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  I do, however, recognize that doping is a huge problem in our
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  country. We cannot deny this or avoid the
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  topic. At least he's taken ownership of
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  it as well. To do so would be a mistake and
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  we must accept that it is a fact.
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  To fight the current state of doping, we must shed light on it
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  and the issues surrounding it and work with the sports
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  authorities like the AIU and Wai feel like we must all combat
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  what this has become like a cancer for Kenyan athletes.
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  And by taking this step, I hope that I can not only serve as as
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  an example for other athletes but the people will truly try to
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  address the issue and try to find lasting solutions.
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  But first I want to prove that I am clean when I set forth at the
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  start line and whatever result comes from my efforts, it is not
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  dragged through the mud because I am Kenyan like that guy is
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  sick. Yeah, but we're kidding
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  ourselves if we think it's just Kenya.
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  Like America is 100% rotten as well.
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  They're just better at hiding it.
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  And they're more sophisticated. Like you see your one Eric
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  Knight and he got done there and his coach also coached.
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  And your man Gatland, who also coaches Noah Lyles.
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  Like I would not be surprised if more like, yeah, I think people
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  are just other countries just better hiding it.
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  Again that night night and one's interesting because there was
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  conflict between two bodies and he actually they managed to get
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  overturned initially through proven, they actually proved
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  that there was traces of it in the meat that he ate.
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  It was another kind of like burrito like example.
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  And they went and they went and tested the meat and found that
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  there was like cross contamination, like very minor
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  amounts in it. But in the end it hasn't stood
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  up. But I don't know, I wouldn't be
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  surprised if that's not the end of this one.
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  But hey, we've got best things to talk about than anti dopant
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  and positive false drug tests. The Tokyo World Athletics
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  Championships have started on Saturday morning in Tokyo.
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  So in terms of the episode structure, largely we're going
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  to chat around what's happened so far in Tokyo, which has been
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  a women's 10K final, the women's marathon and the 1500 heats for
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  both the men and women. Largely they're the races that
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  we're concerned about that have happened.
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  Copenhagen half is actually happening right now.
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  So whether or not we'll get to the end of that with the
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  results, we'll we shall see. But I know Great Britain's Phil
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  Sussman, who I'm sure would have loved to been running at Tokyo,
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  is running there. From other news items, we've got
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  Kipchergi and Hassan A rolling into the next marathon on the
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  back of Sydney and doing New York.
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  There's an interesting addition to the Chicago Marathon field
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  and we shall see how far we get down the line with YouTube
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  Diaries. Hopefully we can fit that in.
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  So let's start where it all started then, with the women's
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  10,000 meter final. I think I looked, I thought to
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  Google the temperature in Tokyo as I was watching it, and it was
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  like 28°, even though it was maybe half eight at night or
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  something. And it's just grim conditions,
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  isn't it? Your magic paragraph is doing
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  everything he can to not be in Tokyo.
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  So like that sort of tells you like how bad it must be to train
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  there. Yeah.
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  I had a look you like this morning with the women's
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  marathon because, you know, sometimes it can be hot but dry,
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  like a dry heat, which is often what we get here, particularly
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  when it's warm in Perth. But I think the humidity was
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  pretty high as well. Like it was at least this
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  morning, I think the dew point was like 26 and in the first
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  within the first hour of the women's marathon, which was
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  first thing in the morning. So like that's yeah, that's like
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  85 plus percent humidity on top of it being hot is like that's
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  pretty oppressive running with her.
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  Scene Actually, I noticed that Izzy Bath Doyle took a water.
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  I can't remember what point it was.
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  And before, not many athletes. Yeah, there wasn't many of them,
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  though. I was surprised.
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  Like if if Izzy's thought to do it, it's obviously a good idea.
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  And she didn't, like, get detached when she'd done it or
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  anything. But she'd be good at that from
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  the marathon. I'd say none of them.
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  Other people have run a marathon, so she might be more
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  used to it. Did your footage cut away when
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  the race broke up in the 10K? Yeah.
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  And then it came back and they'd made the move.
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  Yeah, Is that not just like the typical like you can feel it
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  starting to build like everyone's sussing each other
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  out and then the actual part where it's quite interesting to
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  see unfold with adverts or throws he.
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  He was even saying it himself, wasn't he?
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  Was like, oh, this is brewing nicely like the four of these
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  five of these at the front like something's going to happen
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  soon. Oh well, let's just quick
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  quickly cut to an ad there and we'll join you when we get back.
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  And then when they come back this fields been separated.
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  There's 5 remaining. Yeah, awesome.
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  Well, what it meant for the results in the end, and then we
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  can talk about how the race unfolded.
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  The guest was that Beatrice Chibet, who, as I think most of
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  the participants in the competition identified, was
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  rightly the favorite, and she won in 30 minutes and 37 seconds
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  from it. So she's Kenyan, if we didn't
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  already know. She won from Italy's Nadia
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  Bataclasi, who was second in a time of 30 minutes and 38
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  seconds and amazingly managed to run a national record in those
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  conditions that we've just said were far from optimal.
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  And then third was good after Guy of Ethiopia in 30 minutes 39
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  seconds. There was two people in the
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  clubhouse that got that exact order.
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  The what's? It called the Tri cast or
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  something. Yeah, trifecta if it was a in in
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  a racehorse. But yeah, Liam Stocky and Dan
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  Wayne with a the off tour off to a flyer.
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  Chibat looks so smooth when she runs, doesn't she?
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  Like when she kicked? Yeah, she's such a good athlete.
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  I know obviously as distance runners they're all like pretty
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  lean, but did you, did anyone like take note of her face?
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  I thought it looked particularly gaunt, like quite skeletal
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  almost. Yeah, she's tiny, but yes.
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  Yeah. Unbatted, cloudy like that.
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  Yeah, So I think maybe Battle Classy getting second is not an
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  upset, but you would have thought maybe Sig I would and
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  Chibet would have been 1-2 and just unsure which way around.
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  But Battle Classy was silver medal in the 10,000 meters in
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  the Paris Olympic Games recently, wasn't she?
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  So she's clearly a cut above most of the other European
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  athletes. And when you look down at the
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  results, you don't find the European, well, you actually
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  come to Lauren Ryan as like kind of the first non African or
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  Asian competitor. So she's finished 9th and 3127.
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  Then we get into the GB athletes of Megan Keefe in 103133, Callie
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  Hoga Thackery in 113137 and Izzy but Doyle finished in 18th in No
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  17th sorry in 3153. That's a phenomenal room for
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  Megan Keith. If you see in her in the
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  Olympics, she got locked like twice in Paris.
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  So for her to come 10th in the world's, yeah, it's a massive,
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  massive result for her. She's actually Scottish I think
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  as well, isn't she? Yeah.
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  I know this is a separate subject but it kind of rattles
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  me the way GB bundle all the home nations athletes into one
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  seemingly when it suits the the English.
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  We like to claim the Scots when it suits us.
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  She's tried to claim the whole world.
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  Nearly. But like if you ask, if you ask
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  these people, Scots particularly, I know lots of
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  nations are patient offset, but Scots like clearly see
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  themselves as well. They don't because they have the
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  referendum a voted no. 4048% of them I think.
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  But you know, I mean, like these athletes would be proudly
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  Scottish, but then they fall under the GB banner and often it
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  kind of gets lost whether they're English, Welsh,
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  Scottish. But anyway, kind of besides the
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  point. I'm just trying to make the
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  point that lots of the GB athletes are actually Scots.
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  Like White Men Care, Mccolgan, but to name a few.
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  There's, there's plenty of Scots in there.
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  I think even the Aaron Wallace, the 1500m runner, I'd never
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  heard her speak until the other day and she, I think it was I
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  had the broad Scottish accent as well.
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  So then they're doing something right up in Scotland.
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  Wales is just forgotten off there and isn't it?
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  Even I find that in Australia, you know, you don't.
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  I've often said to people like you don't meet many Welsh people
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  because they'll just kind of stay in their own little home
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  comforts I think. And farm sheep.
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  Yeah, they're very good at. Did you see Izzy back Doyle's
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  interview with them? Straight up asset?
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  I think she she came across very well and made a good point in
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  that because obviously she could have run the marathon all this
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  and I hadn't thought of it this way, but she was like in Paris,
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  I didn't get to run in the final.
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  So this is obviously an opportunity to run a final
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  inside the sold out stadium and just kind of experience that for
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  what it is, a gas. So yeah, she spoke really well.
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  80,000 people I think, she said. Atmosphere was really good and
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  top 20 in the world, like ranks, what, 25th going into it?
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  Yeah, pretty cool. And then I think turns 30 today.
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  So happy birthday. Does she plays better in the
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  marathon? Like does she get a better
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  result in the marathon? I think she has the potential
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  to, well, I mean, it's so hard, right?
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  But like, the way that race played out today, like there was
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  some pretty strong performances for women that, I don't know,
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  maybe arguably you say she can. She'd be she'd chant herself
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  against as well, I think. Yeah.
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  That's what I was thinking. I think she would have like
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  performed better in the marathon but still like top 20 in the
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  world is incredible. Yeah, I think you, you take out
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  maybe the top two in the women's marathon and it feels open,
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  right? Like a more open than what you'd
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  you'd think in terms of, yeah. So like some of these track
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  events? Do they?
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  So these don't get paid for winning this, do they?
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  Or did they get a little bit of money?
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  No, they they get a decent amount of money.
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  We can check how much it is. But yeah, there is a decent
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  prize purse for winning a medal at World Champs for sure.
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  There's just no appearance fee. So if you do a world major,
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  you'd probably get an appearance fee on top of like a prize
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  money. Yeah, and I heard this spoke
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  about a bit just around how people, particularly
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  marathoners, how they weigh up choosing between, you know, a
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  world major and, and this and some of the comments were around
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  the your contract. You you you'll write into your
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  shoe contract a bonus for where you place in major competition.
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  So depending on how you stack your contract, you might be more
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  or less motivated to want to race at the World Champs.
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  For if you win it, you get 70 thousand U.S. dollars.
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  If you come second, you get 35, third, 22 fourth, sixteen, 5th,
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  11 sixth you get 7000. Seventh you get 6008, you get
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  5000. So it pays down to top 8.
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  So Lauren Ryan just missed out. I guess it's more so around your
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  your legacy and your CV almost isn't it like making this sort
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  of decision. And also if you think of
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  Valencia later in the year is he's maybe thinking, well, I can
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  run the 10K in World champs and then have a go potentially at
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  the national record in Valencia. Whereas if she had around the
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  marathon here, she probably doesn't back that up in
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  Valencia. And then maybe she then it's
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  like, what do you way off more being a national record holder
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  versus like finishing top whatever in the world champs.
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  Like these are all the decisions that kind of probably go under
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  the radar in terms of from us. Like when we're just looking at
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  results, unless you zoom out and think, try and put your
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  athlete's hat on, they're thinking about all these things.
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  And what gets you in shape to have a crack in Australian
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  record is probably getting faster too.
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  You sort of do that. European summer sets you up.
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  And if you break the world record, you get $100,000.
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  So what Mondo cash in again? As part of from like that World
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  Athletics, from the world champs, you get paid that.
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  Yeah, yeah. So one point I wanted to make
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  while speaking about this women's marathon as well was
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  imagine how the men are feeling sat there watching it, thinking
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  about like, because they probably have a lot of unknowns
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  going into watching this women's race.
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  And then seeing how it plays out, what sort of times they
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  run, how many people like completely blow up and fade and
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  kind of like where people can kick down from and stuff.
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  They're probably making like a large part of their race plan
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  based on this, aren't they? Yeah, you'd definitely be
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  talking with your fellow athletes, wouldn't you, from if
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  you've got people from your country already doing it to try
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  and get some feedback. But yeah, it looked, it looked
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  very tough in terms of the marathon sort of mentioned
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  before, the weather looked particularly tough.
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  But yeah, did we want to step through the results and how it
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  played out for the women's? Marathon.
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  Yeah, go on, I'll rattle the results off and then you can
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  tell me how you've seen it unfold.
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  So Perez chapter chair the Kenyan athlete who was one of
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  the favourites. One in two, 2443 from Sixed
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  Asafa, the Ethiopian athlete in 2/24/45.
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  Very close, just two seconds separating them.
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  And then the shock Uruguayan snuck in for the bronze.
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  Well, she didn't sneak in, she rightly run an incredible race
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  and got the bronze medal in two hours, 2723 seconds.
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  So I know we're kind of texting a little bit whilst this was
• 22:04
  going on. So how did you see it there?
• 22:06
  Yes, I think it was. I think in terms of the top few,
• 22:10
  it's sort of like played out as you would have thought.
• 22:13
  So like the top 2. I think a lot of people had as
• 22:18
  like tagged as the most likely to come top 2, right.
• 22:23
  Maybe not in that order though. And maybe unfairly, like, I
• 22:29
  guess, yeah, starting at the start, it was all in a big group
• 22:32
  or there's a lot of people in a group through 5K in around that
• 22:35
  17 minutes. And then the American athletes
• 22:39
  sort of took initiative and sort of went off the front.
• 22:43
  And I thought that was pretty risky.
• 22:45
  Like, if it's moderately hot, no problem.
• 22:47
  But if it's very hot like it was, I was like, you can pay.
• 22:49
  You can literally get the staggers if you overheat.
• 22:52
  And I've seen it happen when Callum Hawkins got the staggers
• 22:58
  in the marathon in the con games in 2018.
• 23:01
  Side Story, but it cost you a few dollars that one didn't it?
• 23:04
  Yeah, I so so he was, I don't know why, but the bookies were
• 23:11
  disrespecting. He'd literally come off the back
• 23:14
  of being 4th at the 2017 London World Champs and had come over
• 23:20
  to Perth with his dad a month before the Comm games and
• 23:24
  trained specifically for this race and was in very good shape
• 23:27
  by all reports. But we're somehow paying 15 to 1
• 23:30
  and I thought that was silly for the bookies to offer that.
• 23:35
  So I may have got, I got emotionally attached and
• 23:39
  financially attached to his outcome there.
• 23:42
  And yeah, he was in a gutter at 40K for anyone that didn't see
• 23:45
  it. So, so was I.
• 23:48
  Have to be in a couple of minutes off the front and about
• 23:51
  to stroll to. Victory yeah, I should have
• 23:53
  mentioned yeah, that's right. He he ran away from everyone at
• 23:55
  halfway. They literally crossed halfway
• 23:57
  that day and he took off and was yeah, literally minutes up the
• 24:01
  road before not finishing. So when I saw the American
• 24:05
  athletes going off the front, I was, and you could see that
• 24:09
  Sullivan was sort of shaking her arms after a few KS or maybe 5
• 24:15
  or 6 KS off the front, I'm like, Oh no, is she going to start to
• 24:18
  suffer from hate stress and Doha world champs?
• 24:21
  I remember watching those and a lot of people that's just
• 24:23
  carnage, particularly those that went out hard.
• 24:25
  So yeah, anyway, she didn't she she judged her effort really
• 24:29
  well. It just so happened that that
• 24:31
  lead pack of largely E Africans, but also the Uruguay athlete,
• 24:35
  they sort of when they decided to make a move and it and it was
• 24:40
  the likes of Sagai and no wait, sorry, Sefa and Chip Choocha
• 24:47
  that made that move. They just they just went past
• 24:49
  her. They were just too good.
• 24:51
  But yeah, I just thought, yeah, they judged it really well.
• 24:55
  It was a really good, exciting finish and she held on really
• 24:58
  well for 4th. Was sick as the finish inside
• 25:00
  stadium in like typical Japanese fashion I think, isn't it?
• 25:03
  But it's so good. I think that's how all that so
• 25:07
  many races should finish like that, like, yeah, it's Gen.
• 25:10
  I think it's perfect. And like they had started the
• 25:13
  the morning athletics was due to start as well.
• 25:15
  So people were already going to be flocking in.
• 25:17
  So I thought it was like, yeah, really cool way to finish.
• 25:20
  Sometimes with the morning sessions, maybe the the best
• 25:26
  kind of like finals and stuff, they're not placed in the
• 25:29
  morning session, are they? So if you're a spectator and
• 25:31
  you're going in there and you get to see the marathon finish
• 25:34
  like RIP around 300 meters of the track right in Frontier and
• 25:38
  especially with how this one played out like Jeff cheer chair
• 25:41
  and a safer what they've kind of separated themselves by this
• 25:44
  point, hadn't they? And they were kind of brewing up
• 25:47
  as they approach the final K and coming into the stadium and even
• 25:52
  the commentator was like, what's going on?
• 25:54
  Like the one of them is looking at her watch and there's like
• 25:57
  almost less than AK left. Like what are they doing?
• 26:01
  And I think one of them even took a drink at like that point.
• 26:04
  And it's like, oh, you literally got about 3 minutes to survive.
• 26:08
  Like just focus on the actual race at hand.
• 26:11
  And then as the end to the stadium, it's kind of it's bit
• 26:14
  of a deep, steep descent it looked like, didn't it down that
• 26:17
  ramp. I was thinking, oh geez, like
• 26:20
  someone's likes could go here. And then Jeff sheer chair kept
• 26:25
  cutting across. I noticed twice she cut across
• 26:28
  the staffers like racing line. So she got the the best line if
• 26:34
  you like, and then a safer kind of made the move down the 200
• 26:39
  and 5200 back straight. But she didn't like completely
• 26:43
  drop her, which is often what you see in these marathons when
• 26:46
  someone makes a move, particularly so late on, it's a
• 26:49
  decisive 1. And the other person, because
• 26:51
  they're that tired, it's the last K of a marathon.
• 26:54
  They just know they can't do anything about it.
• 26:56
  But Jeff Churchill attached herself to her.
• 27:00
  And then coming off that final 100 meters, she's pulling all
• 27:04
  sorts of faces as she accelerates away.
• 27:07
  But yeah, she she went to another level there and a
• 27:10
  surgical finish, Yeah. She's got a bit of a track
• 27:14
  record as well of like winning major, like winning major races
• 27:18
  as well when I could see it finishing up like, oh, she's not
• 27:21
  going to lose. To which I was a bit upset about
• 27:24
  because I think you were, we were a lot of people tipped, had
• 27:30
  tipped it the other way around. Like I think a Sefa and a Sefa
• 27:35
  was 2nd to Sifan Hassan, Wasn't she in Paris?
• 27:41
  So I think everyone was thinking this would be her time.
• 27:44
  But and you could see she was almost a little bit disappointed
• 27:47
  when she finished, you know, to finish second again.
• 27:52
  But I felt like, yeah, chit chit, chit just didn't want to
• 27:55
  lose. She was, she's so smooth as well
• 27:57
  as I felt like she looked. She looked comfortable whenever
• 28:00
  the camera cut to them, didn't she?
• 28:01
  But obviously Jeff Shearshire was equally as comfortable.
• 28:05
  Safa didn't. Wasn't she the 800m runner?
• 28:08
  She's 211 Marathon PB, Yeah. You tell me, Sir.
• 28:12
  Yeah, I think so. I think she's former world
• 28:14
  record holder, right? Yeah, I was thinking that.
• 28:16
  So I thought she would have. Yeah, I thought she would have
• 28:19
  pushed on. I mean, she was my pick like.
• 28:21
  She was. She was most to be, to be
• 28:23
  honest. Shout out to Fenella McCormick
• 28:27
  who came ninth in 230 representing Ireland which is a
• 28:33
  phenomenal result. Top ten in a World
• 28:35
  Championships. It's pretty incredible.
• 28:37
  Not bronze that you'd picked, but not but a pretty good
• 28:41
  effort. Well, look who came bronze like
• 28:43
  it was opened. It could have been.
• 28:46
  If it was in Ireland, she could have came third.
• 28:49
  I did notice that, you know, as as like the, they're all
• 28:51
  crossing the line. It wasn't the usual flurry of
• 28:54
  like East Africans, you've got a Finnish lady and 5th of the two
• 28:58
  Americans are in the top ten, the Japanese, the Irish.
• 29:02
  Like it's good to see it followed out like that.
• 29:05
  And the thing with that, you're crying girl, we finished that.
• 29:09
  Did you see? Like she almost didn't know she
• 29:11
  was there even for like 5 seconds after she finished and
• 29:15
  she's like holding three fingers of one of the officials.
• 29:18
  Like you sure, like really. And the commentator explained, I
• 29:23
  mean, I happily admit I've never had this woman prior to today.
• 29:27
  He said that up until January of this year, she was representing
• 29:31
  GB. She was born in Mexico, moved to
• 29:34
  Cambridge when she was however old she was.
• 29:37
  And up until literally 2025, she was like under the GB
• 29:42
  federation. And you know, on the back of
• 29:45
  like everything we spoke about the other week regarding like
• 29:47
  the GB quota and points and all this, had she have chose to
• 29:53
  represent GB, she wouldn't have even been chosen, selected to go
• 29:57
  to the world champs and she's just got a bronze medal.
• 29:59
  That says volumes about how poor JB selection policy is.
• 30:03
  Yeah, if if ever there was like a justification to come around
• 30:07
  and kind of like back off that whole storyline, this just kind
• 30:11
  of shoves it right in the face, doesn't it?
• 30:13
  And whether or not her decision to move and represent Uruguay,
• 30:17
  because apparently her like immediate family has in her
• 30:20
  parents, they're like proper Uruguay and they live over there
• 30:24
  and stuff. It's not like one of these
• 30:26
  things you see in football where players leave Ireland and choose
• 30:30
  to represent England and stuff. It's legit.
• 30:34
  But whether or not her decision is because she knew she wouldn't
• 30:38
  get a look in if she was representing GB.
• 30:40
  But it's like a big middle finger to them anyway, so
• 30:44
  hopefully that makes them reconsider.
• 30:46
  Is that so Irish folks get to lose a semi final in a World
• 30:50
  Cup? Is that what they're?
• 30:53
  Career The World Cup we're after losing our mania or someone
• 30:57
  there during the week 21, The World Cup is not on our radar.
• 31:02
  No, I mean that's why they defect to England only to sort
• 31:05
  of bow out in the quarterfinals or something.
• 31:07
  Anyway, I sort of confused as to why.
• 31:09
  Yeah, the glory hunters. And then they're not getting
• 31:12
  much glory either, to be fair. But Australia can win these tiny
• 31:18
  little Asian Cups. Can't understand like that's a
• 31:21
  success I guess. In their own little world.
• 31:26
  It's a geographical proximity or non proximity to most of the
• 31:32
  football world that allows us to get into the into the finals to
• 31:37
  begin. With as long as you're better
• 31:38
  than New Zealand. Yeah, pretty much.
• 31:40
  That's awesome, Masters. But yeah, shout out to the rest
• 31:42
  of the Australian ladies there who finished.
• 31:45
  Vanessa Wilson finished highest up in 38 in two 3917, Sarah
• 31:50
  Climb was 42nd and two 4146, and Tara Palm was 48 in two 4451.
• 32:00
  I think they've kind of, they've run great races in fairness,
• 32:03
  given the conditions and kind of like given where they were on
• 32:06
  the quota and stuff like this was just a massive opportunity
• 32:09
  for them to kind of represent in the 1st place, wasn't it?
• 32:12
  And I'm glad that they've all kind of got over the line and
• 32:15
  done themselves justice. Yeah, what an experience.
• 32:17
  Hey, that's what you'd love to do.
• 32:19
  And yeah, execute, you know, good races on a, you know, in
• 32:24
  the best competition would have it would be so cool.
• 32:26
  Was Fenola McCormack the only Irish representative there?
• 32:29
  I think she was, wasn't she? Yeah, yeah, yeah.
• 32:33
  And no GBS as we have identified.
• 32:35
  Should I give a clubhouse update?
• 32:41
  So in terms of clubhouse leaders, because that they're
• 32:43
  the only two that have registered for points.
• 32:45
  So there's a three-way tie of a possible 12 points that people
• 32:50
  could have got so far. There's three on 7.
• 32:54
  So Liam Stocky, Alan Kennedy and Daniel Wayne are all on 7
• 33:00
  points. But in terms of proximity, I
• 33:03
  think the average is 4.75 points.
• 33:07
  So it's actually pretty close. And in terms of us in our shoe
• 33:10
  battle, Owen's on 4 and Ryan and I are on 6.
• 33:14
  So that's where we sit at the moment.
• 33:17
  Need to see how it unfolds. And Dean, if you want to keep
• 33:20
  ownership of that spreadsheet that that sounds good, happy.
• 33:27
  Happy to do. It's all automated.
• 33:28
  It'll be all automated shortly. Just.
• 33:32
  Well, then we had to, I know yesterday actually this still is
• 33:36
  with the women's 1500 meter heats.
• 33:39
  So don't want to spend too much time because it's just the
• 33:42
  heats, although I mean obviously this is what makes the semis in
• 33:46
  the finals. So in the first one, just hold
• 33:49
  one that in 404.4. Going through.
• 33:52
  Also from that heat was Sinclair Johnson of the US, Sabiatini of
• 33:57
  Italy, a war of Kenya, Perez of Spain, Liaise Kawiska of Poland,
• 34:05
  Soybeg of Sweden. No, actually I've read I've gone
• 34:09
  too far. Sorry.
• 34:10
  There was the top six went through, stopped at the Polish
• 34:12
  athlete whose name I won't try and pronounce again.
• 34:17
  So yeah, Aaron. Aaron Wallace of GB missed out
• 34:19
  as the Laura Nicholson of Ireland.
• 34:22
  They both finished in 8th and 13th respectively.
• 34:25
  In the second, Heath was won by Nellie Chipchurch, who's
• 34:28
  identified as kind of like one of the competitors up the front
• 34:31
  when it gets to the final, or we expect it to be, she's a Kenyan
• 34:35
  athlete. She won in 407.01.
• 34:38
  Next was a Polish girl, Kazi Merska in 407.34.
• 34:44
  Portuguese athlete Alfonso going through Linden Hall of Australia
• 34:48
  made it through and she looked pretty good to be fair.
• 34:51
  She was always there thereabouts.
• 34:54
  Emily, is it Mackie or Mackay of the US?
• 34:57
  Went through anyway in 408.19 and Reve.
• 35:00
  Walcott Nolan also made it through.
• 35:03
  The British athlete there in the third heat was won by Frewani
• 35:07
  Haylu of Ethiopia, Nikki Hilts of the US also getting through a
• 35:13
  Joray of Kenya debut, Stafford of Canada, Guillemots of France
• 35:19
  and Sophie O'Sullivan of Ireland.
• 35:22
  Did you see how Sophie O'Sullivan crossed the line at
• 35:25
  all, Owen? She jumps across the line, she
• 35:30
  got in by the skin of her teeth, but I feel like she really kick
• 35:33
  on, like the heats are so hard to get through.
• 35:35
  So I feel like once you get through them sort of pressures
• 35:38
  off, yeah, and you can sort of race a bit more.
• 35:42
  So yeah, delighted for Sophie. Quite a really, really good run.
• 35:46
  And an Irish, Irish athlete, that's you didn't pinch anything
• 35:50
  from Australia there. Her mother ran for Ireland.
• 35:54
  She is. She's a bit tanned but she's
• 35:57
  Irish. She was.
• 35:59
  She's got that NCAA experience as well, hasn't she?
• 36:01
  So like these round style racing might suit her.
• 36:06
  She won. 15. Yeah.
• 36:08
  And then she, I think she might, she was down at Australian
• 36:11
  nationals because I think she spends a lot of time in
• 36:14
  Australia so. Yeah, because Australia is, I
• 36:17
  think from America it's easier to fly to Australia than it is
• 36:21
  to Ireland. So and the weather is a little
• 36:23
  bit nicer, just a tiny bit. TC connections, as they all do.
• 36:27
  Yeah, just avoiding that RF heat wave, I think.
• 36:31
  Get the heat wave is long gone now.
• 36:34
  I'm looking at the window here and it's trying to rain.
• 36:37
  It's gloomy. And yeah, daylight savings are
• 36:40
  going to come into effect now pretty soon.
• 36:42
  So it's going to be very dark mornings and dark evenings for
• 36:46
  like 5 to 6 months. So yeah, not good.
• 36:51
  It's well and truly awesome. Absolutely feels like a It's
• 36:55
  cold. It's not bad up until Halloween
• 36:59
  and I don't feel like because kind of like that's a bit of a
• 37:01
  cool little event, but then once once you're into November, it's
• 37:05
  just grim isn't. It all the shops are starting to
• 37:08
  sell like the big boxes of roses, like them Christmas
• 37:13
  chocolates. Yeah, they're all yeah.
• 37:15
  So you know, when they came out, it's a it's getting close to
• 37:20
  Christmas and and Halloween. This will be your first
• 37:24
  Christmas in Ireland and how many years though you're looking
• 37:28
  forward to that? In two years, that's like, you
• 37:32
  think like a warm Christmas would be like really cool and
• 37:36
  all, but I just think, like a nice cozy Christmas with your
• 37:39
  family in front of the fire. Like, yeah, I prefer I take that
• 37:44
  any day of the week, to be honest.
• 37:46
  And yeah, first time in two years.
• 37:47
  I don't know if I'm feeling the cold more now that I haven't
• 37:51
  experienced it really in two years.
• 37:54
  But yeah, because like, I was at a football game the other night
• 37:57
  and I was frozen. Like I've I've bad circulation
• 38:02
  as it is. But yeah, I'm not looking
• 38:05
  forward to for the next couple of months.
• 38:07
  It's not going to be fun. Whether you got your your double
• 38:10
  plus gym session in on Christmas Day this year, you reckon?
• 38:14
  See, hopefully we'll have the home gym set up.
• 38:17
  We just need to get a squat rack and some weights and so
• 38:19
  absolutely. Christmas has come early, based
• 38:22
  on some of the the treadmills arrived, hasn't it?
• 38:26
  The treadmill and the bike arrived.
• 38:28
  Yeah, so I was meant to have a rest day on Friday, but I
• 38:30
  couldn't help myself but to do like 30 minutes on the
• 38:33
  treadmill. So yeah, it's going to make
• 38:35
  training. It just takes the pressure off
• 38:36
  really. Like you're not raising home
• 38:38
  from work to try and get a run in before, like it gets too
• 38:41
  dark. So now I could just like flow
• 38:43
  home, run whenever I want on the treadmill and yeah, it's just
• 38:46
  going to be nice. Bring it back to the results
• 38:48
  then. So Sarah Billions actually
• 38:50
  missed out in that third heat. So she failed to progress.
• 38:54
  She ran 406.22. So it was kind of like a
• 38:56
  comfortable miss, unfortunately. And then the last one saw
• 39:03
  Kippie, a gun taken out in four O 2.55 from French lady
• 39:07
  Madeleine Irish. Sarah Healey was third.
• 39:11
  She also went through Italian Zanoni and a Lithuanian
• 39:15
  athletes. Geez, you don't see many
• 39:17
  Lithuanians particularly like kind of progressing into the
• 39:20
  deep end of the competition. And a German lady Wabel.
• 39:25
  So Lauren Muir also missed out in this one as well, which was
• 39:29
  sad to see because she's kind of been a great athlete over the
• 39:33
  years. And she was up there like on the
• 39:35
  shoulder and in all the right spots.
• 39:37
  And then just when it came down to it, the kind the whole field
• 39:39
  just passed there and she almost finished the way Jeff's hole
• 39:43
  finished. Then was his Urich where she was
• 39:45
  struggling to run. So yeah, sad to see for Laura,
• 39:49
  both the rest of them progress and we're on to the semis.
• 39:53
  I think that's might even be this evening to be fair.
• 39:56
  Yeah, they are. I think like 8:00.
• 40:00
  Our time tonight should be good. That takes us to the men's 1500
• 40:05
  meter heat then. So jeez, I know that this is
• 40:09
  kind of like the event that I've been looking forward to most,
• 40:11
  but I wasn't expecting to feel like there was so many shocks in
• 40:15
  the heat. Like I know we mentioned in the
• 40:17
  build up that maybe some people might miss out on the final, but
• 40:21
  some people are missing out on the semis Even so in a similar
• 40:24
  format as what we've just done. So Nordas won the first heat
• 40:28
  from Josh Kerr, from Ethan Strand of the US, from an
• 40:31
  Italian bloke called Riva and Stefan Nielsen in 5th and Sheppo
• 40:37
  Sheit of South Africa and Sick, they were the qualifiers there.
• 40:42
  So to miss out from that heat was Jude Thomas of Australia.
• 40:48
  Who's the lad from South Africa? Mr. Chase, she's a defying all
• 40:54
  odds, including what the name that God gave him to progress
• 40:58
  through there. The the big surprise here was
• 41:02
  that Azerdine Habs, the French guy who's actually got the world
• 41:05
  lead this year, he's run 327. He didn't get through.
• 41:09
  He he was done on the line almost by Mr. Chase.
• 41:14
  So Habs misses out, which is kind of like massive in terms of
• 41:17
  the final. I mean, I know he's someone we
• 41:20
  haven't mentioned because it's form hasn't been really all that
• 41:23
  there recently. Kind of was up there at the
• 41:25
  beginning of the year. But yeah, the world leaders gone
• 41:29
  and Jude Thomas was gone from this one as well.
• 41:31
  So I'm sure Ollie Hall would have been watching these hits
• 41:35
  with keen interest to see how everyone got on and well, maybe
• 41:41
  we can we can speak about that situation once I've gone through
• 41:43
  all the results. So the second he saw an Italian
• 41:47
  guy every say win it in a 340 nadir of Portugal also went
• 41:53
  through Neil's Lara. So many people are calling the
• 41:55
  favorite for the whole thing went through and 3rd Reynolds
• 41:58
  Chariot of Kenya and Ruben their Hayden of Belgium along with a
• 42:03
  Canadian guy Foster Malik. So missing out from this heat
• 42:08
  was Elliott Giles, Adam Spencer, Cattle Doyle of Ireland and
• 42:15
  Gamma of Ethiopia. Kind of like big names there.
• 42:20
  Third, he's won by Cole Hawker. Second was Robert Falcon of
• 42:24
  Germany. Third Neil Gurley of GB.
• 42:28
  Fourth Timothy Chariot Reynolds Nos brother Sistile, Owen
• 42:32
  Schouse, Spanish guy Adrian Ben went through, as did an Austrian
• 42:37
  pallet. So missing out there was Mr.
• 42:41
  Cameron Meyers of Australia finishing an eighth and then the
• 42:45
  last Heath was won by Jake Whiteman of GB, former world
• 42:48
  champ. Portuguese guy was second.
• 42:50
  Pinto Jonah Kovich of the US went through.
• 42:53
  So did the French man Mr. Monet, Swedish guy Phil Strom and the
• 42:59
  Irish Andrew Koskun getting through as well.
• 43:02
  And the major names multiple to miss out here was Jacob Binga
• 43:06
  Britson, which we weren't sure whether he's going to make the
• 43:08
  start line, but he's not going to make the start line of the
• 43:11
  semi final and fun. Well, coach of Kenya also
• 43:15
  missing out. So I know Dean, you're watching
• 43:18
  it. I knew a fast asleep but any
• 43:20
  comments? I guess like I think was did
• 43:24
  Ollie Hall get run out in? Was it in Paris that he got run
• 43:27
  out in the heats and or even when he won Commonwealth Games
• 43:31
  gold, sort of maybe got run out in a semi final at world champs
• 43:35
  and then went on to win Commonwealth Games gold like a
• 43:38
  month or so later. And I only reference that
• 43:41
  because I just think the like you just have to be either
• 43:45
  tactically or physically slightly off in the 1500 at the
• 43:49
  minute and even in the heats you get run out.
• 43:51
  So like, yeah, I mean, it's, it's it's so it's so such fine
• 43:57
  margins, isn't it? And it's such a, it makes for
• 44:02
  such a fun race to watch because often in running, like whoever's
• 44:07
  absolutely fitter just gets to win, whereas the the tactics and
• 44:12
  getting everything right makes such a difference.
• 44:15
  So it's just, yeah, I just saw they're really fun races to
• 44:18
  watch. And it was a shame because
• 44:21
  particularly because I had him for bronze, but Kovich fell over
• 44:24
  and I think maybe they're appealing, but I don't think
• 44:27
  he'll get reinstated because it sounds like they're taking a
• 44:29
  harder line in terms of who can progress after a fall.
• 44:35
  But yeah, and I think the biggest shock and will upset me
• 44:39
  because he's my gold medal prediction in the 5K.
• 44:41
  But yeah, Jacob not progressing and sort of, not only did he not
• 44:44
  progress, but he didn't look very good.
• 44:46
  So it's a bit of a concern, isn't it?
• 44:47
  Yeah. And you wonder, did he know that
• 44:51
  was kind of going to be the outcome, or was he completely
• 44:54
  unaware? And it wasn't until like maybe
• 44:56
  the third lap and he's like, shit, this isn't to be, is it?
• 45:00
  I think he, he's posted about it already on his Instagram saying
• 45:03
  this was always going to be a a potential outcome, but not that
• 45:08
  it's going to stop, you know, not that it's going to distract
• 45:10
  him from sort of, you know, from things like all, you know,
• 45:14
  dentist's confidence or will was something to that effect.
• 45:17
  But I saw him post some stuff about being in Tokyo and
• 45:21
  collecting some Pokémon cards and thought, geez, going to be
• 45:24
  on for a gold here. And then, yeah, it's done.
• 45:28
  A steer. I was trying to zoom in and see
• 45:31
  how much he's spending on these Pokémon cards and doing the
• 45:34
  currency conversions because the same one of them was 2000
• 45:39
  Japanese yen, which is what, roughly 200 Aussie dollars.
• 45:43
  But then there was a couple where he had the price, so I'm
• 45:45
  sure it would have been a bit more than that, but I'm sure it
• 45:49
  wouldn't have had his pockets at the same time either because he
• 45:51
  seemed very happy to be splashing his cash around Tokyo.
• 45:56
  Collectibles are a good investment long term anyways.
• 45:58
  Probably just savvy, you know? Well, he collects Moses as well
• 46:04
  in his garage, doesn't he? It's probably got as many of
• 46:06
  them as he does bloody Pokémon cards.
• 46:08
  One thing which I was thinking of here was obviously like all
• 46:13
  three of the Australian guys have gone out.
• 46:15
  So come Myers, Jude Thomas and Adam Spencer.
• 46:19
  And I feel like for Jude and for Adam Spencer, maybe success for
• 46:24
  them would have been getting to the semi final Like it would
• 46:27
  they would have been going into this not knowing whether they'll
• 46:30
  make it out the heat and not being like a big goal and to not
• 46:34
  do so maybe isn't really a failure.
• 46:37
  It's just like, OK, we went there.
• 46:39
  It was for Jude this first time representing Australia at this
• 46:43
  level and they had to go and it didn't work.
• 46:46
  And that's fine. And I know it's not Cam's fault,
• 46:50
  but a lot of pressure and expectation has attached, been
• 46:54
  attached to his name, hasn't it? In terms of like the comparisons
• 46:57
  to Jacob as he's gone through the age groups and kind of been
• 47:01
  produced in similar times and stuff for him.
• 47:03
  But I feel like he himself and maybe the general public would
• 47:08
  have been expecting him to get out the heat.
• 47:10
  So it's probably a little bit disappointing to see that he
• 47:13
  didn't do that. And how did that right, how did
• 47:16
  his race go? Because I can't see a scenario
• 47:19
  where he, like, I couldn't envision a scenario where he
• 47:21
  didn't qualify. Like was he too far back?
• 47:24
  Did you just have nothing left in the last lap to kick?
• 47:27
  Like what happened? It was a little bit messy,
• 47:29
  wasn't it? Like, so let's see what time it
• 47:31
  was. It was born in so it was one in
• 47:34
  three 41341 high. So that's like slow as anything.
• 47:40
  So given that they were all bunched for like large periods
• 47:44
  of the race and then there was a couple of surges here and there
• 47:47
  and he would get like shuffled back.
• 47:49
  He would have to go wide. So on the third lap he pulled
• 47:53
  out like on into lane 2 definitely.
• 47:55
  And he's trying to like work his way up.
• 47:57
  But then once he gets himself into a better position, the
• 48:00
  surge goes again, he gets shuffled back and then he's got
• 48:04
  like elbows out with people and stuff.
• 48:06
  And coming up the home straight, it wasn't as though he was done
• 48:10
  late on. It was maybe like 50 meters or
• 48:12
  so to go. You can see he wasn't going to
• 48:15
  make it. I mean, look at like it's a big
• 48:18
  learning experience for him, isn't it?
• 48:19
  It's his first major champs and stuff.
• 48:21
  But it's just goes to show, like when you kind of in that
• 48:25
  Australian bubble and the kind of expectation that can be put
• 48:30
  on someone from being like the clear star from just your
• 48:34
  country, the world stage is a different kettle of fish, isn't
• 48:38
  it? And you're mixing it with the
• 48:39
  best, the best of the best. So, I mean, he'll come back and
• 48:43
  he'll do better, no doubt. But yeah.
• 48:47
  Yeah, I wonder, you remember he had that medical episode not
• 48:50
  that long ago. Like, like, not that it was a
• 48:55
  major thing, but you don't, you don't need to be off by a lot.
• 48:58
  Like I think a couple of the guys, like for context, like the
• 49:01
  1500 is so stacked. Like 4th in his race was Timothy
• 49:05
  Chariot, who's, you know, former world champion himself.
• 49:11
  But like, yeah, the couple of guys just in front of him and
• 49:14
  maybe like 330-1332 runners, which are exceptionally good,
• 49:18
  but he's just come off the back of running, what, 329?
• 49:22
  So in his peak fitness, probably you would assume he gets
• 49:27
  through, but perhaps, yeah, I don't feel like he made any
• 49:30
  necessarily any huge tactical missteps, but maybe he just was
• 49:34
  just slightly off and that's all you need to be, I think.
• 49:37
  And then he's probably looking at that thinking, we've run
• 49:39
  340-1342 and I finished 8th. Like why didn't I just go to the
• 49:43
  front and make it honest? I would have been stronger than
• 49:47
  at least like, well, I would have been in the top six
• 49:49
  potentially. But like, that's hindsight,
• 49:52
  isn't it? And these are the learning
• 49:54
  experiences that you get from racing championship rounds.
• 49:57
  Yeah, I feel like Adam Spencer runs like he knows how to
• 50:00
  control a race. You know, like all those guys go
• 50:02
  through the NCAA system and know how to sort of manage the person
• 50:06
  on the outside and and dictate tempo.
• 50:09
  I just didn't think he had the legs, but he tactically and sort
• 50:12
  of knows what to do. But I mean, I don't think it's,
• 50:18
  yeah, I just think the margins are so tiny and you, you really
• 50:21
  have to be super fit right at the right time.
• 50:24
  That's not to say this is me having a go, am I there?
• 50:26
  Just I didn't want to like kinda just skip over it because I feel
• 50:32
  like it is a fair assessment almost.
• 50:36
  But obviously there's other big athletes who've gone out as
• 50:38
  well. So overall, hubs, LH, Giles of
• 50:43
  GB, he potentially would have expected to get through Jacob
• 50:48
  and coach like we've said. So he's not the only one to have
• 50:51
  missed the cup. But yeah, it's a shame.
• 50:56
  Although like looking at it from the other end, what did you make
• 50:59
  of the guys who did get through in terms of thinking about who
• 51:02
  might be the eventual winner is are you thinking about our
• 51:08
  should have chosen him from a top three or you're pretty
• 51:11
  confident with what you've come with?
• 51:13
  I still think Laros looks really good.
• 51:16
  Mild ass is probably one that's jumped up in terms of rankings
• 51:20
  and they're Co achieved by my problems is dead.
• 51:23
  So yeah, I mean it's so interesting.
• 51:28
  I mean, so I'm looking at like the current ranks for the men's
• 51:31
  1500 number ones. The goose that Fanuel Co H is
• 51:36
  for if this Habs like this is based on I think ranking points
• 51:43
  at the minute for like the men's 1500, like cams ranked fourteen,
• 51:50
  but like there's not many points separating a lot of them and
• 51:53
  what's 20 fours getting through Josh, how he's in there like all
• 51:57
  in the top 20. So yeah, I just think it's all
• 52:00
  just so tight. So which would which is why it's
• 52:02
  such an exciting event to spectate and follow you.
• 52:05
  Have some huge casualties. It's hard to judge based on
• 52:09
  these first rounds as well because people do take it easy
• 52:12
  and just kind of do what needs to be done to progress, don't
• 52:15
  they? But I thought that Josh Kerr
• 52:17
  looks pretty comfortable as you would expect as well and Hawker
• 52:22
  too. So I mean I don't know if you
• 52:26
  can take anything from the fact that Whiteman one is he's but I
• 52:29
  wouldn't have expected them to really feature in the final.
• 52:31
  But interested to see if if he is maybe going to throw the cat
• 52:36
  amongst the pigeons. Been there done that before.
• 52:39
  And thankfully the recent interviewee Mr. Koskaran made it
• 52:44
  through as well. So he lives to fight another day
• 52:46
  be be a good result if he can get into the final, wouldn't it?
• 52:50
  Absolutely. He was delighted to get through
• 52:52
  like again, the heat is a free for all.
• 52:55
  Like it's it's so hard to get through like the heat.
• 52:58
  So once again semifinal, the pressure is off a little bit and
• 53:01
  you can sort of race a bit more. So yeah, hopefully he can push
• 53:07
  on now, get to the final. All right, then.
• 53:09
  That's all we have seen from Tokyo up to now in terms of
• 53:12
  events that are relevant to us and we're concerned with.
• 53:16
  So I don't know, Owen, have you got a training weeks to deliver?
• 53:19
  Yeah, I've the training reach at this week star, so I'm back
• 53:23
  doing like a proper week. Oh, this started on Monday the
• 53:29
  8th. I'm just watching Copenhagen
• 53:33
  half as well. They're after going through 5K
• 53:36
  and 13 something and when the lads is wearing them adios
• 53:42
  Adidas ones and he's after it's headed rain to Copenhagen and
• 53:46
  he's after absolutely buckling himself going around the corner.
• 53:50
  Yeah, there's no grip on them. Shares.
• 53:52
  Dean knows about that. So wait, when did this week
• 53:57
  start? The C Dean, unfortunately this
• 54:00
  is so sorry. I just watch you're preparing
• 54:03
  this. I don't know if you've noticed
• 54:04
  this past week, Dean, has been the the week that we've spent
• 54:07
  most time together since I've got back in Perth.
• 54:10
  And that's unfortunately because not because I've returned to run
• 54:13
  in, but because you've came to the dark side and we've done
• 54:16
  some cross training together. I have, we could probably
• 54:19
  mention that as Owen gets a proper training week together.
• 54:23
  But did you, what did you do, Ryan, in terms of non, in terms
• 54:27
  of bike and swim and like any other exercise, I suppose, what
• 54:32
  did you put together this week? One gym session, probably 5 bike
• 54:39
  rides and two swims I think which you you seemingly took
• 54:43
  great pleasure in bustering me in the pool.
• 54:47
  Yeah, well, that's only because you're doing your best to drop
• 54:49
  me on the bike. So I was just, I was just
• 54:51
  putting that in the memory bank who was sort of.
• 54:56
  Don't put the bear, Ryan. Yeah, we went.
• 55:00
  I thought we were going for a casual loop of the river on
• 55:03
  Friday, and then I don't know if Ryan had a coffee date to catch,
• 55:08
  but I had the morning off. I was going to a school
• 55:11
  athletics carnival, so I was thinking it'd be a bit more
• 55:14
  casual, but we sort of caught up to a few people that went around
• 55:18
  that went past us maybe with what, about 25 KS to go or so,
• 55:23
  And then that was it. It was game on and I was just
• 55:26
  hanging on for dear life. But it was good.
• 55:28
  It was a good ride. It was probably the most
• 55:29
  exercise, most exercise I've done.
• 55:31
  I think I was riding for 2 1/2 hours on Friday.
• 55:33
  Which was good when I start my week.
• 55:36
  Yeah. Please.
• 55:38
  Right. So Monday easy.
• 55:41
  Doubleday. So I got 40 minutes in the
• 55:43
  morning. We had a few strides again just
• 55:47
  to introduce some speed back into the legs.
• 55:49
  And then that evening I done 30 minutes at 426 per kilometer.
• 55:54
  And Tuesday is a double threshold day.
• 55:58
  So in the morning I had two by 10 minutes off 5 S rough 10
• 56:05
  minutes. Flow for five, room for 10
• 56:07
  minutes, flow for five. And these 10s, I'm trying to hit
• 56:10
  anywhere between like 3:30 and 3:20, just feeling, feeling good
• 56:15
  because I know I have lost some bit of fitness and since I've
• 56:19
  come back. So I'm just like trying to not
• 56:21
  like dig myself a hole earlier on.
• 56:23
  How come the five minute floats as opposed to like a two or
• 56:27
  three if it's an inverter, commas only like three 30s on
• 56:31
  your arms said Did you say it was 2 by 10 minutes with a 5
• 56:37
  minute floats? Yeah.
• 56:39
  How come the flow is like so long almost?
• 56:44
  I don't, no. I'd say just so I fully recover
• 56:47
  it like the flow is still like it's not going super fast.
• 56:50
  It's around like 4 minute kilometer.
• 56:52
  So I say it's just to get some distance in the legs rather than
• 56:56
  like it's 30 minute that in total that session was 30
• 57:01
  minutes, 330 sixes. So it's like a solid effort like
• 57:07
  in total. Yeah, I guess with the the
• 57:10
  threshold stuff, it's making sure you're clear in the lactic
• 57:13
  before you go back to your efforts.
• 57:15
  So there's almost no harm in extending those floats as the.
• 57:19
  Yeah. And I could really push another
• 57:21
  little bit like I could probably get to like the low three 20s if
• 57:25
  I wanted because the recovery is that a little bit more.
• 57:28
  And that evening, I then done 7 by 3 minutes off 60 seconds.
• 57:35
  So these ones here, I'm trying to hit between 3:15 per
• 57:40
  kilometer and 310 per kilometer. And I actually done the lactate
• 57:43
  testing. So after the third Rep I was
• 57:46
  like 4.6 and after the last Rep I was 4.5.
• 57:50
  So it was all right. Like I'd, I'd like to be hitting
• 57:55
  like 3 or 5 for them ones, but still very early in the cross
• 57:58
  country block. So hopefully I'll get them, I'll
• 58:01
  get fitter as the weeks come. And that Wednesday morning then
• 58:06
  I got out for 60 minutes and umm, I felt so so so bad.
• 58:13
  Like the 1st 15 minutes went by and it wasn't too bad.
• 58:17
  Like I normally before I run in the morning, I just have like a
• 58:19
  bowl of corn flakes and a little small bowl because I don't like
• 58:24
  running like fasted and umm, I don't know what I was low blood
• 58:27
  sugar or like for 45 minutes of that run.
• 58:31
  I felt lightheaded. And just a week.
• 58:33
  Did you ever get that feeling? Yeah, yes.
• 58:36
  Just felt so, so shit and still got 12.7 kilometers in for 42
• 58:43
  pace. But how?
• 58:45
  Big was you you Tuesday in total.
• 58:48
  Tuesday was I think 28 kilometers.
• 58:51
  So I did have a relatively big dinner.
• 58:53
  I make sure to have a big dinner if I'm running like again over
• 58:56
  like an hour the next morning. But yeah, I don't know what it
• 59:01
  was. I really need to see a
• 59:02
  nutritionist. Like I don't have the best
• 59:04
  relationship with food. Umm.
• 59:06
  So I really, yeah, I'm going to look into seeing a nutritionist.
• 59:10
  But the following morning, oh, that even when I got out for
• 59:12
  circuits, so done my circuit class.
• 59:14
  And then Thursday morning, I got out for 70 minutes and before
• 59:17
  this run, I'd like 2 slices of toast with like a jam.
• 59:22
  And I felt a lot better in that one.
• 59:24
  So that was 15 kilometers. Just on that, umm, you don't
• 59:29
  have the best relationship with food.
• 59:31
  In what sense? So like having a Gaelic
• 59:35
  background, like playing like contact sport, I would have been
• 59:38
  a lot heavier, could go into running and like you line up on
• 59:41
  the start line of these races and like, I feel like I'm just
• 59:44
  like, by far the heavier. Umm.
• 59:48
  So like in previous history, I've umm, tried to like train a
• 59:52
  lot and restrict my eating. And I think it was like 3 years
• 59:56
  ago I got like super sick and I, I was just, I couldn't went for
• 59:59
  like 2 weeks. So umm, yeah, I'm always
• 1:00:03
  conscious of umm. Of basically trying to like get
• 1:00:08
  lighter, but I know to train like I'm running nearly 130
• 1:00:11
  kilometers a week, like I have to eat to fuel that or I will
• 1:00:14
  get sick and injured. And I have a history of bone
• 1:00:16
  stress as well. So, umm, I just have to be so
• 1:00:19
  careful like little things like having a biscuit a night and
• 1:00:22
  like feeling guilty, like it's not a good way to be so.
• 1:00:26
  And like, you need that fuel, like like a sweet treat is good.
• 1:00:31
  So umm, yeah. I just really need to like
• 1:00:34
  educate myself more on that sort of stuff.
• 1:00:36
  And yeah, it's fuel at the end of the day.
• 1:00:39
  I'm here in Jake Smith, like that interview, really.
• 1:00:42
  Like lighter. Like while it does make you run
• 1:00:45
  faster, it's not going to make you run faster for a long period
• 1:00:49
  of time. So you're better off like
• 1:00:52
  getting to like a healthy weight and having that consistency in
• 1:00:54
  your running career to get the better results.
• 1:00:56
  So umm, yeah, it's just something to for me to work on
• 1:01:00
  really. I'd say that's something like so
• 1:01:03
  common amongst runners as well because like everyone, I mean,
• 1:01:07
  you want the physique as well as the fitness, don't you?
• 1:01:10
  And you think, oh, well, I can't eat this or that if I want to
• 1:01:12
  be, like, shredded and lean to run well and like, it just comes
• 1:01:17
  in waves, doesn't it? Like, you think you're doing the
• 1:01:19
  right thing and then you have a binge.
• 1:01:21
  And I reckon, like, so many runners, like, kind of guilty of
• 1:01:25
  this. And it's just probably better
• 1:01:27
  that people speak about it. They're not.
• 1:01:29
  So. Yeah.
• 1:01:30
  Yeah, I I've had a few mates that have been into like lifting
• 1:01:34
  and like sports where where mass and eating to convert gains is
• 1:01:42
  like a requirement. And so it's and so they have a
• 1:01:45
  much healthier relationship. And I think runners, I think
• 1:01:48
  feel like your body often craves like carbs, but then you
• 1:01:51
  probably body probably needs and we probably don't.
• 1:01:54
  If you're generally a bit leaning towards under rating
• 1:01:56
  like protein in in particular. I think like that's something
• 1:02:00
  that I used to not prioritize at all.
• 1:02:03
  IU used to just if I was hungry, eat something, but it was not
• 1:02:07
  all that nutritious or perhaps not the best mix of macros,
• 1:02:13
  right? So yeah, something I still
• 1:02:16
  struggle with, but I think the idea of getting a nutrition like
• 1:02:21
  a nutritionist or dietitian is a great idea.
• 1:02:25
  Yeah, so Thursday then I do my gym session and my coach gave me
• 1:02:28
  a new gym program. So going to be working on that
• 1:02:32
  now for the cross country block. And Friday was supposed to be my
• 1:02:35
  rest day, but my the treadmill came so I just got out.
• 1:02:39
  I had to get out and do a 30 minute jog on it.
• 1:02:42
  And yeah, I feel like I can run way more control on it.
• 1:02:45
  Like on a run outside, like the heart rate can creep up.
• 1:02:49
  But when you're on the treadmill, I just feel like I
• 1:02:52
  can keep my heart rate really low, which is again, way more
• 1:02:54
  beneficial for them, like sort of recovery runs.
• 1:02:58
  You should track the kilometers, total kilometers you do on the
• 1:03:01
  treadmill. Just out of interest.
• 1:03:03
  Like nothing to do with training load, but purely to and now 1
• 1:03:09
  kilometer on the treadmill equals €1.00 paid off for
• 1:03:12
  something like that. Yeah, hopefully, Yeah.
• 1:03:14
  Well, I'll use it a lot now in the coming months.
• 1:03:16
  So I should get my my value for money out of it.
• 1:03:21
  Saturday I had hills so I done I back doing like 20 minute
• 1:03:29
  warmups just to I know it's an extra kilometer, so just builds
• 1:03:33
  up a little bit more mileage cost for a pass.
• 1:03:35
  Well, I've been doing 15 minute warmups, but it was 15 minutes a
• 1:03:38
  threshold, so again hitting that like 320 per kilometer.
• 1:03:42
  Then I had a 5 minute jog and I just changed my shoes into the
• 1:03:46
  Nike. So I'd done the threshold in the
• 1:03:48
  Rebel V4, just an old Rebel, like give no plan or anything.
• 1:03:52
  And then for the hills, I went into the structure embracing my
• 1:03:57
  inner Coopers here and I done 12 by 15 second hills off like a
• 1:04:05
  job back recovery and again, just focusing on like keeping a
• 1:04:08
  bright pairing up the hill and yeah, just trying to get off as
• 1:04:12
  quick as possible. So is.
• 1:04:14
  That the the mechanic stuff you're thinking about?
• 1:04:18
  Is that a leaf you've taken out of Cost Green's book?
• 1:04:21
  Yeah. Absolutely is kick and stuff.
• 1:04:23
  Yeah, absolutely. So really just focus on like
• 1:04:26
  staying up high and all that sort of stuff.
• 1:04:28
  So yeah, these little things just trying to work on.
• 1:04:34
  And then in the evening, I just done 45 minutes easy on the
• 1:04:39
  treadmill again. So 9.5 kilometers at 442 pace.
• 1:04:43
  And now I have to diff and do my long run.
• 1:04:47
  I've got 90 minutes, 90 minutes. And then the last 15 minutes
• 1:04:52
  I'll pick it up for tempo pace. So yeah, around that three 25320
• 1:04:57
  pace and yeah, that I will be around 125 kilometers for the
• 1:05:02
  week, so hopefully build on that and just trying to keep on top
• 1:05:06
  of sleep and yeah, again, a massage next Friday.
• 1:05:10
  So yeah, just I'm actually going to get tested soon enough as
• 1:05:12
  well. I'm going to get my lactates
• 1:05:15
  done and all that in a lab. So that will be in the next two
• 1:05:18
  weeks just to see that my zones are like correct and all.
• 1:05:21
  So yeah, it's exciting. I don't know.
• 1:05:24
  I don't know, you gotta literally run Owen.
• 1:05:27
  But like we didn't really talk about the interview, but like,
• 1:05:33
  yeah, any Kayla insights, takeaways?
• 1:05:35
  Like I just really enjoyed the conversation, particularly being
• 1:05:37
  sort of non Irish and and sort of listening to to you guys, you
• 1:05:42
  know, have a a fun curious chat together.
• 1:05:45
  Like, I got a lot out of it in terms of maybe not necessarily
• 1:05:50
  the training, but everything he does in and around the training
• 1:05:52
  and how they and how professional people are.
• 1:05:55
  Umm, but yeah. Was there anything in particular
• 1:05:58
  that you really loved? I loved that and I love the
• 1:06:02
  heart rate sort of stuff because like your heart doesn't lie.
• 1:06:05
  So if you keep tracking your heart rate and have that so you
• 1:06:08
  know what your heart rate should be over time, it's really good
• 1:06:10
  metric to like train off. So umm, like I know Jake
• 1:06:14
  Barcloth, he doesn't really go into that.
• 1:06:16
  He goes by feel, but I feel like just being in tune with your
• 1:06:19
  heart, like it's, it's such a good thing to do.
• 1:06:22
  And also like the recovery aspect, like I like right now
• 1:06:26
  I'm probably doing the same mileage as him and he's not
• 1:06:29
  working a full time job. So sometimes like less is more.
• 1:06:33
  So in my head, I'm like, all right, I'm doing the same amount
• 1:06:36
  as like a professional runner. So if I do like, I'm obviously
• 1:06:39
  not absorbing the training as well as he probably is because
• 1:06:42
  he's not working a nine to five job.
• 1:06:44
  So I could probably cut back a little bit, absorb the training
• 1:06:47
  more and that might benefit me even more.
• 1:06:49
  So just little things like that. Umm, we, I was just super, super
• 1:06:54
  cool to hear like his week and how he goes about stuff and
• 1:06:59
  yeah, hopefully he does well now in the Sammies.
• 1:07:02
  Ian and I was saying the the stuff around like how to manage
• 1:07:06
  his body through this kind of next week in terms of like his
• 1:07:09
  warm up routine is cooled down routine, like when he'll do like
• 1:07:13
  some strides and stuff like that.
• 1:07:15
  It's the type of thing you don't really because everyone talks
• 1:07:17
  about the training and like kind of their approaches and stuff
• 1:07:20
  like that. But the actual reality of going
• 1:07:23
  to a world champs and having to race maybe four or five times
• 1:07:27
  during a week's period, how do you manage your body through
• 1:07:29
  that was cool, wasn't it? Yeah, because I've always
• 1:07:33
  wondered that, like, here's a mad week and you don't get
• 1:07:35
  enough stimulus out of just running a 1500.
• 1:07:38
  So he needs to sort of like keep loose and fresh while preparing
• 1:07:44
  every second day for a race. So yeah, it was Cooper Sup with
• 1:07:47
  a super cool to hear like how we like actually planned this week.
• 1:07:54
  And even his approach to sort of being in a hot environment and
• 1:07:57
  how careful he is around ex heat exposure, deliberate heat
• 1:08:02
  exposure for training stimulus, but then avoiding on too much
• 1:08:05
  exposure or exposure that he's worried he's not going to adapt
• 1:08:09
  to from. Yeah, absolutely.
• 1:08:13
  Because the heat can really, really mess you up, especially
• 1:08:15
  if not used to it. And like, to be honest, no
• 1:08:17
  matter how much training you do, like running, like you're never
• 1:08:20
  going to mimic that exact race situation in training.
• 1:08:23
  Whereas like the call room, the heat, the humidity.
• 1:08:26
  So it's just been as prepared as possible for that situation.
• 1:08:30
  And yeah, I said like that it was cool to see him get rid of
• 1:08:34
  heat and hopefully now he'll kick on.
• 1:08:36
  I was like, he's still hopeful on his payment from Grand Slam
• 1:08:39
  track as well. I.
• 1:08:39
  Think the all are. You'd have to be, wouldn't?
• 1:08:44
  Chat. Hi, thanks Owen for your
• 1:08:47
  training week. And he's also literally had to
• 1:08:49
  dip out because he's physically going for his long run.
• 1:08:51
  So that leaves me in being here to suffer in the pits of being
• 1:08:56
  injured. Like literally how how is that
• 1:08:58
  salt? And for salt in the winds, He's
• 1:09:01
  done his part on the podcast and now he's just gone out to
• 1:09:04
  actually go and do his run. And then me and you sat here
• 1:09:07
  injured finishing off. So do you want to tell us where
• 1:09:10
  you're up to? Yeah, so I got an MRI on Monday
• 1:09:17
  and still haven't got the results from the report yet, but
• 1:09:21
  have got copy copies of the images sent to both my GP and
• 1:09:24
  physio. So got some insights from both
• 1:09:28
  of them which were really helpful.
• 1:09:31
  So yeah, I think as expected, it's sort of my right pubic bone
• 1:09:37
  that's sort of a bit more lit up.
• 1:09:39
  But there's you can have brightness is this is what's
• 1:09:42
  sort of been explained to me. But you can sort of have the
• 1:09:44
  appearance of sort of like, I don't know if it's like bone
• 1:09:47
  edema, but where it sort of lights up in your pubic area.
• 1:09:52
  And so that's sort of not uncommon particularly because
• 1:09:55
  that joints being used quite a bit.
• 1:09:57
  But one higher up on my right one is sort of a bit more lit
• 1:10:01
  up. And so that's potentially
• 1:10:03
  something that's is where I think my sort of discomforts
• 1:10:07
  coming from. So we sort of did some more
• 1:10:09
  functional tests. A lot of things have settled
• 1:10:11
  down in the area like before it was sort of like hotspots
• 1:10:13
  everywhere, whereas now it's sort of just one particular pain
• 1:10:17
  point, which is good, but it's sort of not pain free in one
• 1:10:20
  area. So given I've already deloaded
• 1:10:22
  for it's now been two weeks, doing another maybe week or two
• 1:10:27
  is probably sensible. Like it's still a bit of
• 1:10:30
  discomfort in that area, but nothing when I'm riding or doing
• 1:10:32
  my gym or when I'm swimming. So sort of makes sense to keep
• 1:10:36
  deloading. Get there, hopefully get the
• 1:10:40
  copy of the report from the radiologist next early next
• 1:10:43
  week. That might give us some further
• 1:10:45
  insight at a appointment with the sports stock coming up just
• 1:10:50
  to sort of they might have some further sort of insights into
• 1:10:53
  the images, which will be useful.
• 1:10:57
  But yeah, in the meantime, I sort of have been focusing a lot
• 1:10:59
  more on the gym, which has been fun to be honest.
• 1:11:01
  I've sort of really enjoyed being far more deliberate in the
• 1:11:04
  gym. Feel like I'm getting something
• 1:11:06
  out of that. And then, yeah, sort of trying
• 1:11:09
  to get some sort of excitement by jumping on the bike with you
• 1:11:12
  or jumping in the pool and sort of getting stuck into those
• 1:11:15
  things. So swam today, swam yesterday,
• 1:11:19
  is a bigger bike the day before. And yeah, just need to sort of
• 1:11:22
  make a habit of that. But yeah, nothing, nothing too
• 1:11:26
  severe, which is good. And yeah, hoping that this
• 1:11:28
  settle down sooner rather than later because yeah, very much
• 1:11:32
  would like to be back running as soon as I can.
• 1:11:35
  Doesn't it make you think that like once you do take a step
• 1:11:38
  back when you have this a bit of a niggle, I'm sorry that we can
• 1:11:41
  relate now on this level, but here we are.
• 1:11:45
  That you won't kind of like ignore little feelings if they
• 1:11:49
  arise again and like try and push through it because you're
• 1:11:53
  conscious of like, oh shit, another week running on that
• 1:11:56
  might actually mean another three or four weeks on the
• 1:11:59
  sidelines. I.
• 1:12:00
  Think so. I think, yeah.
• 1:12:02
  For me, anything that, I don't know how right or wrong this is,
• 1:12:06
  but I find anything that tends to loosen off as I run is
• 1:12:10
  something that I can probably get away with.
• 1:12:13
  Like to be honest, there's not. There's not often when I'll be
• 1:12:18
  jogging it from time to time where I'm not feeling something
• 1:12:22
  somewhere. So if I was too careful, I think
• 1:12:25
  I would avoid training too much. But I think training on
• 1:12:29
  something where the pain scale goes up through the run, it's
• 1:12:32
  sort of that that for me is a sign to to sort of back off.
• 1:12:36
  So yeah, I think like, I think maybe, yeah, you know, like when
• 1:12:41
  you with the benefit of hindsight, but I don't know, I
• 1:12:44
  wouldn't change too much. I sort of once I had this pain,
• 1:12:47
  I like the day after the race or two days after I saw the physio,
• 1:12:51
  I sort of gave my pain scores. The original side of the pain
• 1:12:55
  was like an AB lower abdominal thing.
• 1:12:58
  And then this has come off the back of that.
• 1:12:59
  Like can certainly reflect with the physio and see what he says
• 1:13:04
  in terms of lessons learned. But I just, I just think as
• 1:13:09
  well, like if you're it's a load based sport, like you noticed
• 1:13:12
  this right, with swimming and riding, how different it feels
• 1:13:15
  on your body versus running by running just loads your body up
• 1:13:19
  as well. So yeah, I, I, I still don't, I
• 1:13:23
  don't want to be too not prepared to sort of take on
• 1:13:27
  some, some load based discomfort.
• 1:13:32
  But yeah, certainly want to be more aware.
• 1:13:35
  And, and I think for me, what I've learned is I think you sort
• 1:13:39
  of just de risk things if you're prepared to do more gym.
• 1:13:42
  I just think if you're more prepared to have stronger
• 1:13:45
  muscles and, and work on those, particularly as you're getting
• 1:13:48
  older. I think my physio mentioned to
• 1:13:50
  me, because they're sort of chipping in between my pubic
• 1:13:53
  bones, like in the sort of where they, where they mate, you can
• 1:13:57
  sort of see chips. And he sort of said, oh, look,
• 1:13:59
  not unusual, particularly, you know, for a, a masters marathon
• 1:14:03
  runner. And I said, pardon me, come
• 1:14:05
  again, Thought maybe I want to text him before the consult.
• 1:14:10
  But like, you know, I think I think, yeah.
• 1:14:13
  And that Cam Levin's interview him sort of emphasizing the
• 1:14:16
  importance of strength. I just think if you've got
• 1:14:18
  strong muscles in particular, you're just going to de risk
• 1:14:21
  your your body when it comes to training.
• 1:14:23
  And and it's really not, to be honest, it's not really
• 1:14:26
  something I've spent much time prioritizing because I've been
• 1:14:29
  pretty lucky from an injury perspective getting away with
• 1:14:32
  just running. So yeah, so I'm sort of enjoying
• 1:14:35
  the fact that it's it's it's forcing me to be a bit more
• 1:14:41
  deliberate with the gym and hopefully something good comes
• 1:14:44
  of it. Yeah, and that wasn't an
• 1:14:47
  observation of you, more so an observation of myself as well.
• 1:14:50
  Like choosing to run through pain can lead to prolonged
• 1:14:55
  periods on the sidelines rather than just acknowledging it for
• 1:14:58
  what it is. And maybe go and I'll actually
• 1:15:00
  go and see someone about this because that's right how I got
• 1:15:04
  mine so bad. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:15:07
  Yeah. So if you were to do it again,
• 1:15:08
  because, I mean, it's hard though, because like I said,
• 1:15:10
  you're sort of running with a degree of discomfort often.
• 1:15:14
  Like it's hard to know what's, it's hard to know that you had a
• 1:15:17
  crack in your foot and that you would now just going to create a
• 1:15:21
  a long term injury from what you did.
• 1:15:23
  Like is it that you would have consulted with someone earlier,
• 1:15:26
  got an earlier scan? Like what's what, what's your,
• 1:15:30
  Yeah, what what are your reflections in terms of the
• 1:15:32
  decisions you would have made differently?
• 1:15:36
  Probably should have backed off and addressed it properly in
• 1:15:38
  February after Maragami rather than compounding that with a
• 1:15:42
  marathon block on top of it and actually going through with the
• 1:15:45
  marathon. Because in hindsight now that
• 1:15:50
  three months or 10 weeks, whatever it was period of just
• 1:15:53
  like continuing to load what was already paying at the time as
• 1:15:57
  like obviously just caused so much more delay in a in a
• 1:16:01
  return. But when you fly in, like all
• 1:16:03
  you can think about is like, I want to get this next result on
• 1:16:06
  the board and stuff, isn't it? And like you rightly point out,
• 1:16:09
  like sometimes pain is meant to be there and it's like just part
• 1:16:12
  of your training load. So yeah, it's just about kind of
• 1:16:17
  not having those biases that you can have in your own mind and
• 1:16:20
  you can choose to ignore things or you can choose to kind of
• 1:16:24
  like tell yourself that it's the right decision.
• 1:16:27
  But if you actually say these things out loud, they'll go and
• 1:16:30
  say to a physio or a doctor. They may tell you something that
• 1:16:34
  at the time you don't want to hear, but long term point of
• 1:16:37
  view it might be what's best. Yeah.
• 1:16:39
  And I tend to think it's the same with like a coach or to the
• 1:16:44
  extent you worry too much that the lack of objectivity is going
• 1:16:48
  to cloud your judgement, then if you can outsource that decision
• 1:16:53
  to someone else, then that seems like the best like is often a
• 1:16:57
  good course of action. I think like, yeah, I think for
• 1:17:01
  me, I'm sort of partly outsourcing.
• 1:17:03
  Like you still have to own your own decisions in your body and
• 1:17:06
  stuff. Like he's it's still a bit
• 1:17:07
  self-directed. Like they can't tell you
• 1:17:09
  everything can if you it's your symptoms, like they're, they're
• 1:17:12
  sort of going to guide you based on only what you give them.
• 1:17:15
  So you need to be honest in your assessment, self assessments.
• 1:17:18
  But yeah, I feel like I've asked the physio these questions.
• 1:17:22
  The physio then has said as well that I'm limited in terms of my
• 1:17:26
  ability to interpret the information that comes from
• 1:17:29
  these reports as well. So you need to see someone else
• 1:17:31
  that he partly outsources part of the, the diagnosis as well.
• 1:17:36
  And so, you know, that's, that's sort of, I think makes makes
• 1:17:41
  sense is where you can sort of find the right people to make
• 1:17:44
  objective assessments to the extent they can.
• 1:17:47
  Is it a useful way to do it? Like we were saying yesterday as
• 1:17:50
  well though, there is potentially still a place for
• 1:17:53
  some of this cross training in your normal training week when
• 1:17:56
  you are fit and you're doing sessions and stuff.
• 1:17:59
  Because I guess if you think of it, the time spent under a
• 1:18:05
  training load as that increases your fitness and your optimal
• 1:18:09
  run and performance increases. But then that becomes a point
• 1:18:12
  where when you're doing all your training via the intense run,
• 1:18:16
  and that time spent training starts to tail off because it's
• 1:18:22
  just too much. But if you can supplement that
• 1:18:25
  with cross training and deload some of it, you can probably
• 1:18:28
  actually extend that so that the more time you do spend training
• 1:18:31
  is actually worthwhile rather than becoming counterproductive
• 1:18:34
  and just running yourself into an injury or fatigue or
• 1:18:37
  whatever. Yeah.
• 1:18:38
  And that's probably something we should be mindful of as we're
• 1:18:41
  hopefully returning to re reloading everything is that you
• 1:18:44
  can sort of moderate that with some lower, lower load cardio
• 1:18:51
  activity. And in terms of like a base or
• 1:18:54
  an estimated time you would want to be back running, you don't
• 1:18:57
  want to think about that, yes. Tuesday.
• 1:19:00
  Wednesday, probably. In a perfect world.
• 1:19:06
  No, I don't know, to be honest. I'm I'm away down South with the
• 1:19:10
  family this week. Sort of the next sort of touch
• 1:19:15
  point with the physio would be once we get a copy of that
• 1:19:18
  report. So I'm just going to take my
• 1:19:21
  swimming and writing stuff with me and yeah, just keep
• 1:19:25
  presenting with my symptoms to the physio each week, do these
• 1:19:30
  functional tests until it settles down, keep my SNC.
• 1:19:35
  So I think, I think in a week and 1/2 from now, if I present
• 1:19:41
  to the physio and there's little to no pain when we do these
• 1:19:44
  functional assessments, I would say we're probably able to
• 1:19:47
  introduce some running. But I'll just ask him at that
• 1:19:50
  time if that's what he thinks is the way to go.
• 1:19:54
  Assuming, yeah, assuming everything comes clear from a,
• 1:19:57
  you know, in terms of the the report that's due.
• 1:20:02
  With the essence, I don't know if this is you can relate to
• 1:20:04
  this, but I've always thought because I don't really do any
• 1:20:07
  usually when I'm training, my fear of integrating it is you
• 1:20:12
  know how long you're going to have DOMS for and you know that
• 1:20:14
  that's going to mean it's going to be horrible jogging and then
• 1:20:17
  maybe like your sessions going to be shifts and stuff.
• 1:20:19
  But the reality is like the the upside of actually just taking a
• 1:20:23
  step back and implementing it is so there's so much more upside
• 1:20:28
  to it. So hopefully we can kind of give
• 1:20:30
  ourselves a bit of a foundation now so that it becomes part of
• 1:20:33
  the regular routine. Yeah, that's right.
• 1:20:35
  And it's particularly the first few times you do at the gym
• 1:20:38
  after not doing it in a while, where everything sort of is
• 1:20:40
  quite sore and stiff. Because I think, I think the SNC
• 1:20:45
  sort of coach, I'm saying, was saying sort of there's a lot of
• 1:20:48
  like neural change that happens, particularly in that first sort
• 1:20:52
  of 12 weeks and the first few weeks in particular.
• 1:20:54
  So the good part is it's not adding too much added risk when
• 1:20:58
  I'm not otherwise doing hard workout.
• 1:21:00
  So that's why I'm sort of pushing it a bit more than what
• 1:21:02
  I normally would. And then the physio sort of
• 1:21:05
  fading into that with activities that are a bit more specific to
• 1:21:09
  addressing some of the deficiencies that have led to
• 1:21:12
  the injury I've got. So yeah, it's been good fun.
• 1:21:15
  And yeah, like you say, now's a good time to do it because you
• 1:21:18
  can it you've not got that same thought that I have the same
• 1:21:24
  thoughts that I don't want it to be detracting from my running or
• 1:21:27
  creating added risk of an injury when it comes to doing a
• 1:21:31
  training session. To Owen's points, I guess this
• 1:21:34
  is a good, good time to speak about this.
• 1:21:36
  How have you have you changed your diet to adapt to a lower
• 1:21:40
  overall training load or like in terms of like calorie
• 1:21:43
  expenditure and what you're eating?
• 1:21:47
  I probably, I just ate when I'm hungry, which is still quite a
• 1:21:52
  bit. I'm hoping that the I'm hoping
• 1:21:54
  that the gym and I'm hoping that I don't sort of blow out like I
• 1:22:01
  don't want to overeat, but I'm always yeah, which could very
• 1:22:06
  well happen. I don't wouldn't say There's
• 1:22:08
  certainly been times when I've not run that my body composition
• 1:22:12
  is quite different. So there's a real chance of
• 1:22:14
  that, but I don't know, I suppose I'm aware of what I'm
• 1:22:19
  eating, but but making sure that I am eating in and around
• 1:22:25
  whenever I'm lifted, like doing something and then maybe just a
• 1:22:29
  bit more aware that because I'm not doing any like as much that
• 1:22:33
  like I'm probably am less hungry, but I'm probably not
• 1:22:39
  getting too carried away. The the reality is right now is
• 1:22:41
  like I'm probably not. I've not done the same sort of
• 1:22:45
  training I have for the last four weeks of what I normally
• 1:22:47
  do, and I'm probably at least a month away from doing quality
• 1:22:51
  training again. So now is not the time to get
• 1:22:54
  too caught up with any of that. I think the only thing I could
• 1:22:57
  do is if I tried to under 8 is just cause myself some mischief
• 1:23:01
  at a time where I'm only only trying to get my body healthy.
• 1:23:06
  Yeah. Well, the good thing is about
• 1:23:08
  like one of the good things of running high mileage, for me
• 1:23:12
  anyway, is that like you can eat a lot of food to go around that
• 1:23:15
  and it's encouraged to eat a lot of food and I take great
• 1:23:18
  pleasure in doing that. So then when you take away all
• 1:23:21
  of that high mileage and the running element, you know that,
• 1:23:25
  well, this is how I feel. I want to continue to eat a lot
• 1:23:28
  and enjoy the foods that I mean. So that just incentivizes me to
• 1:23:33
  try and keep some sort of a decent training load through
• 1:23:35
  cross training, which is subconscious.
• 1:23:38
  Well, I know the benefit of that is that it's helping me keep
• 1:23:41
  some sort of baseline fitness somewhere.
• 1:23:44
  Yeah, IA 100%. That's the one of the great
• 1:23:47
  pleasures of running is being able to eat a heap of fun food.
• 1:23:51
  So Yep, no, I'm 100% with you. So yeah, we're away this week
• 1:23:56
  and we'll be out and enjoying ourselves, but I want to get up
• 1:24:00
  and exercise every morning so I can get stuck into a big brunch
• 1:24:03
  for sure. So we expect some high mileage
• 1:24:05
  on the bike next week then, or some big Columbus is in the pool
• 1:24:08
  or the ocean. Oh yeah, no way.
• 1:24:11
  I'll get in the ocean, the sharks and stuff down there.
• 1:24:13
  I wouldn't dare. But there's a pool and a gym and
• 1:24:16
  hopefully there's an elliptical or something I can start jumping
• 1:24:19
  on. I've been given the all clear
• 1:24:20
  for that as well. And our new put his hand up to
• 1:24:22
  the YouTube Diaries has left us, left us in the pits.
• 1:24:27
  So I don't know if we suspend it or are you comfortable with this
• 1:24:30
  one? Maybe we carried over to next
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  week I reckon. Yeah, OK.
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  Well, we won't let him off so easily.
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  We'll hold them accountable. That's it.
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  And Double Trouble, I wanted to bring it back to the clubhouse
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  again because we still have a few legacy ones in there.
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  Did we did Did we name the person who submitted last week's
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  one or we keeping them anonymous?
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  I think we renamed them, didn't we?
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  Because. Yeah.
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  So Adam, Nathan says people hiding their heart rate on
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  Strava seriously must be missing something.
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  Is it that deep? If it's a little high, running
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  is not easy anyway. And maybe that comes from a
• 1:25:13
  specific example that's prompted to say that, but I will agree on
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  that fronts like, what's the hide?
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  Like, you want to hide the fact that your heart rate's gone a
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  little high when you've run a little bit quicker.
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  And usually you claim it as an easy run or like what's the
• 1:25:28
  score? Yeah, I'll double down on that
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  as well with just hiding activities.
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  Like the thing I like about Strava more than like other
• 1:25:38
  forms of social media is that when people give their full
• 1:25:41
  training week when they're sick, injured, unfit, fit, it's a much
• 1:25:47
  truer insight to someone and and how they've approached their
• 1:25:50
  training and how they've gotten better.
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  It's a really cool picture of and it's much closer to the
• 1:25:55
  truth, whereas like Instagram is like heavily contrived and not
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  really a great reflection of reality.
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  Whereas and and I find that with people that just selectively
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  unhide activities, it's sort of not giving the the full picture.
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  And I always wonder like, I don't know what the motivation
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  is there. I'm not sure what they're
• 1:26:14
  wanting to hide. And you can sort of manipulate
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  privacy settings so that people can't see maps and things like
• 1:26:20
  that. So, yeah, no, I think hiding
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  heart rate, hiding that sort of information like, yeah, you
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  should, I don't know, unless, unless it's people are not
• 1:26:30
  making you feel comfortable, then that's fair enough.
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  But otherwise, I'm all for sharing it.
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  It's much more interesting. I I, I really like the
• 1:26:38
  professional athletes on Strava that are very transparent with
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  those like some of the best runners in the world share all
• 1:26:44
  their activities and it's so insightful.
• 1:26:46
  Like when I first sort of took up running the like even say,
• 1:26:50
  say around that Cam Levens driven series like that.
• 1:26:53
  I think the Part 2 of his driven series.
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  I don't even know if you can find that on YouTube.
• 1:26:57
  I think it's sort of you have to go through the actual flow track
• 1:27:00
  website to find it. Like it was a different time
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  then and you're really just trying to connect dots on what
• 1:27:05
  was the truth around what people could do to improve fitness.
• 1:27:09
  Like you would read it in running magazines and you would
• 1:27:12
  hear things third and fourth hand which were probably not
• 1:27:15
  that true. And then people started posting
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  all their stuff on Strava and you could sort of see what they
• 1:27:21
  were doing that helped them get better.
• 1:27:22
  And now we're sort of at the next step of, OK, we understand
• 1:27:25
  sort of training principles, but we maybe don't understand all
• 1:27:28
  the other things they're doing in and around their training.
• 1:27:31
  And that's the next thing we're sort of learning about.
• 1:27:33
  So yeah, I'm all for sharing more information to heartbeat,
• 1:27:37
  heart rate, or activities. Besides, it makes me think of
• 1:27:41
  about them maybe like sometime last year when I think Raph was
• 1:27:44
  telling them to like run to keep one of his runs under a certain
• 1:27:48
  heart rate and he's like, oh shit, I'm going to have to
• 1:27:50
  fucking hide my heart rate, yes. Yeah, well, that might be my
• 1:27:57
  return to run. Might.
• 1:27:58
  There might be a few that pop up retrospectively, but we'll say.
• 1:28:02
  Whilst we're speaking about activities and stuff on Strava
• 1:28:04
  and seems it kind of applies to me and you right now, where do
• 1:28:07
  you draw the line with which disciplines or what type of
• 1:28:11
  activities that you're happy with everything to go on there?
• 1:28:16
  Yeah, I'm happy with anything to it.
• 1:28:17
  Well, no. So I'm happy with anything
• 1:28:20
  that's sort of running or cycling or swimming.
• 1:28:24
  I think they're like primary parts of the platform and then
• 1:28:28
  maybe some SNC is probably acceptable as well.
• 1:28:31
  And then beyond that, like, I don't know, I'd like to see
• 1:28:35
  another app for it or, or a filter, to be honest.
• 1:28:38
  Strava, if Strava could put a filter so I could just filter it
• 1:28:40
  out and then it would not be, then I'd I'd be more for that so
• 1:28:44
  people can put what they want on there, but I don't care for.
• 1:28:48
  Fair enough, I just had a point and Oh yeah, I seen a meme the
• 1:28:53
  other day and it was like, what a lovely warm up that is well,
• 1:28:59
  gorgeous warm up for me to not give kudos to us.
• 1:29:01
  It's just make me laugh because have you ever like scrolled
• 1:29:06
  through and seen someone's warm up, cool down, workout,
• 1:29:09
  whatever. And you just give kudos to the
• 1:29:11
  workout because the why do they need kudos for a warm up, cool
• 1:29:15
  down? But then sometimes I'll do them
• 1:29:17
  all, I guess, depends what move them in.
• 1:29:22
  But I think that wraps us up. And I don't know how we're going
• 1:29:27
  to do an episode next week and conclude all of these distance
• 1:29:32
  finals that will have went on between now and then.
• 1:29:35
  Because we like to give the story as well, not just the
• 1:29:39
  result. Don't mean to kind of like build
• 1:29:41
  the picture and the narrative and stuff.
• 1:29:43
  But I haven't even looked at the agenda and tried to total up how
• 1:29:46
  many different sets of results we're going to have to do.
• 1:29:48
  But we'll have to figure out a way to do it.
• 1:29:51
  But yeah, looking forward to the next week.
• 1:29:54
  Yeah, I think it'd be a fun weekend of racing.
• 1:29:57
  Yeah. I mean, unfortunately, yeah.
• 1:30:00
  We'll see what there'll be things that stick in our mind
• 1:30:03
  and maybe we focus a lot on those.
• 1:30:05
  But yeah, we probably won't be able to go into as much detail.
• 1:30:08
  But yeah, I think tonight is the men's 10,000 meters and tomorrow
• 1:30:11
  morning's the men's marathon. So 2 good races coming up.
• 1:30:14
  Yeah, regarding that men's 10K, have you any hopes or
• 1:30:21
  predictions for that besides like obviously what what you've
• 1:30:24
  chosen for your selections? I just think it might.
• 1:30:27
  I don't. I would I, I struggle to find a
• 1:30:33
  obvious winner. I reckon you could main a mount,
• 1:30:35
  a good argument for 10 people I think.
• 1:30:39
  And I don't even know how it will pay out.
• 1:30:41
  There's a few very good Eritrean athletes, so they'll probably
• 1:30:45
  want to keep it fairly honest, but a lot of the like European
• 1:30:50
  and North American runners will be able to go with a hot pace as
• 1:30:55
  well. And it's hot.
• 1:30:56
  So yeah, I don't know. I feel like it'll get to within
• 1:31:01
  two or three KS and then someone will want to want to go perhaps,
• 1:31:05
  but maybe it doesn't and it turns into a sit and kick, in
• 1:31:07
  which case there's so many people that could do it.
• 1:31:09
  So I don't know. I don't have a good, I feel like
• 1:31:13
  a lot of the women's races, there's a top one or top three,
• 1:31:18
  you know, there's like a bit of a stand out and then in some of
• 1:31:21
  these men's races they're pretty open.
• 1:31:22
  So yeah, I'm not. I'm just looking forward to
• 1:31:27
  watching. It should be a good one.
• 1:31:31
  Yeah, similar, really. I would love for it as you get
• 1:31:33
  to the last mile of the last K and the camera pans to like the
• 1:31:37
  front pack or whatever. It's not just the East Africans.
• 1:31:40
  They're still like you're, you're fishing Nico Young.
• 1:31:43
  Yeah, on green, maybe even dressier, the French guy,
• 1:31:47
  because he's just kind of put it to them the other week, didn't
• 1:31:50
  he? Hopefully there's like kind of a
• 1:31:52
  bit of a mix there, you know? I think there definitely will
• 1:31:55
  be. I can't say.
• 1:31:57
  I mean, yeah, I think the more likely thing is it's like sub 4
• 1:32:01
  minutes the last four laps because no one wants to go out
• 1:32:05
  too hard. Maybe someone runs off the front
• 1:32:07
  to begin with a but the pack doesn't go with them and then it
• 1:32:10
  starts to wind up in the second-half.
• 1:32:12
  But that last four laps is fast and I think there will still be
• 1:32:15
  a few at the bell. If any of the Africans were to
• 1:32:17
  win it, it'd be it'd be 6 to see Kajal check out one, wouldn't
• 1:32:20
  it? Oh yeah, I would love to just
• 1:32:23
  see him just run off the front and just try and burn everyone,
• 1:32:27
  but gutsy move if that's what he does.
• 1:32:31
  All right, then we'll look forward to that and thanks
• 1:32:33
  everyone for sticking with us for another week.
• 1:32:35
  And yeah, we'll, we'll cover the results as they come in, in the
• 1:32:38
  clubhouse throughout the week. And we'll be here to because
• 1:32:42
  stuff like the men's 1500 meter final and stuff like that
• 1:32:45
  happening maybe like Wednesday or something.
• 1:32:47
  I can't, can't be waiting to speak about that until Sunday.
• 1:32:50
  So yeah, we'll, we'll be all over in there and we'll see you
• 1:32:54
  next week. See.
• 1:32:55
  You mate. Thanks.