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LET'S TALK ABOUT IT WITH SHANETTE W JOHNSON & CORNEL J. DRUMMER. LIVE EVERY 1ST & 3RD MONDAY 8PM EST · DA CREW Podcast

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Speaker 1: Listen to equal. To understand how we got here, we
0:48
Speaker 1: need to take a look at the evolution of the
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Speaker 1: juvenile justice system. Back before the American Revolution, the colonies
1:01
Speaker 1: followed the common law of England when it came to
1:03
Speaker 1: criminal justice. This means that children were held accountable as adults.
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Speaker 1: In sixteen forty six, Puritans and Massachusetts en acted a
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Speaker 1: statute called the Stubborn Child Law. This made child disobedience
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Speaker 1: a capital offense, allowing a death penalty option. But then
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Speaker 1: things started to change. In the nineteenth century, the idea
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Speaker 1: emerged that children should be taken care of by the state.
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Speaker 1: This notion ultimately empowered the state to serve as a guardian.
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Speaker 1: In eighteen twenty five, the New York House of Refuge
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Speaker 1: opened for juvenile's Ownly, they were called delinquents to distinguish
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Speaker 1: them from criminals. Reformers stressed that delinquents could be reformed
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Speaker 1: and if properly supported, they wouldn't turn into lifelong criminals.
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Speaker 2: In eighteen ninety nine.
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Speaker 1: Chicago reformers, also known as child savers, many of them
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Speaker 1: disenfranchised women, decided to fight for the defenseless. One reformer,
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Speaker 1: Lucy Flower, had been an orphan herself. The child savers
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Speaker 1: push for the creation of the first ever juvenile court.
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Speaker 1: This wasn't like a regular court. There was no jury.
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Speaker 1: The judge didn't look down from a bench, but sat
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Speaker 1: at a desk. Julian Mack, one of the first such judges,
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Speaker 1: said a kid should be made to feel that he
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Speaker 1: is the object of its care and solicitude. This court
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Speaker 1: was the first of its kind anywhere in the world.
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Speaker 1: Kids didn't get prison time, but instead were put in
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Speaker 1: institutions or programs. Like parents, The court tried to steer
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Speaker 1: kids toward becoming responsible adults.
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Speaker 2: Within twenty five years.
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Speaker 1: Most states started to think the same thing. Juvenile courts
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Speaker 1: popped up everywhere, even in other countries, but for children
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Speaker 1: of color things were different. They were sometimes banned from
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Speaker 1: houses of refuge or juvenile detentions hunters, and when convicted,
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Speaker 1: they were more likely to be placed in adult prisoners
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Speaker 1: under jim pro laws. Some cities, like men was established
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Speaker 1: separate juvenile courts for kids of color. A police officer,
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Speaker 1: not a judge, presided.
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Speaker 3: Over this court.
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Speaker 1: After World War II, Americans seemed to relish the concepts
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Speaker 1: of liberty and justice. The civil rights movement was well
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Speaker 1: under way, activists began to realize that while juvenile courts
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Speaker 1: were designed to be less punitive, they didn't provide the
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Speaker 1: constitutional rights enjoyed by adults. In nineteen sixty seven, for instance,
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Speaker 1: fifteen year old Gerald Galt was accused of making an
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Speaker 1: indecent phone call to a neighbor. Gerald was arrested without
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Speaker 1: anyone informing his parents. No record was made of his
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Speaker 1: appearance before a judge or the neighbor who complained. Gerald
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Speaker 1: was committed to a state school until he was twenty one.
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Speaker 1: An adult with the same charge might have received a
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Speaker 1: fifty dollars fine and two months incarceration. Gerald's parents brought
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Speaker 1: his case to the Supreme Court in nineteen sixty seven.
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Speaker 1: That August of body ruled that juveniles were entitled to
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Speaker 1: due process. Then in the seventies, America started rethinking its
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Speaker 1: criminal justice system. Prime had spiked, including juvenile crime, and
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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy eight, New York City passed the Juvenile
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Speaker 1: Offender Act, a law that made it possible to try
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Speaker 1: kids as young as thirteen and adult court for murder charges,
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Speaker 1: and as young as fourteen for other violent crimes like
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Speaker 1: assault and robbers. That law caused states across the country
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Speaker 1: to reinterpret who could enter the prison system as an adult.
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Speaker 1: They were afraid that a new breed of super predators would.
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Speaker 2: Sweep over the nation.
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Speaker 1: Today, America incarcerates more juveniles than any country in the world.
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Speaker 1: Every day, fifty three thousand children are locked up.
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Speaker 2: That's more than.
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Speaker 1: A sold out crowd at a Major League Baseball game.
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Speaker 1: Nearly sixty percent of these children are Black or Latin ax. Today,
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Speaker 1: certain rights like the sixth Amendment and the right to
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Speaker 1: a speedy trial or a trial by jury, remains only
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Speaker 1: applicable to adults. Advocates have succeeded in getting almost all
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Speaker 1: states to raise the age at which you are considered
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Speaker 1: an adult to eighteen. If you commit certain severe crimes,
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Speaker 1: you can still be tried as an adult in the
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Speaker 1: adult court and serve adult times equal. To understand how
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Speaker 1: we got here, we needed to take a look at
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Speaker 1: the evolution of the juvenile justice system. Back before the
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Speaker 1: American Revolution, the colonies followed the common law criminal justice.
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Speaker 2: This means that children.
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Speaker 1: Were held accountable as adults. In sixteen forty six in
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Speaker 1: Massachusetts about dismade child disobedience capital offense, allowing a death penalty.
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Speaker 1: Options but then things started to change in the nineteenth
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Speaker 1: century children in the United States. In this nation, Howard
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Speaker 1: the States Smart in the New York House of Refuge
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Speaker 1: open for juvenile house.
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Speaker 2: They were called the.
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Speaker 1: Juvenile system form a separate could be reformed criminal justice.
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Speaker 2: Children, communic It was based on the idea that.
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Speaker 4: Smith.
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Speaker 5: So tonight we will be focusing on the juvenile juvenile system. Cornell,
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Speaker 5: how are you doing this evening?
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Speaker 6: I'm going great, man. Can you hear me?
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Speaker 2: Yes, I can hear you.
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Speaker 6: Okay, Thanks, yes, ma'am. Thank you for welcoming me. Now, uh, yes, ma'am.
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Speaker 6: I would like to say that you know, this is
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Speaker 6: a good topic tonight because it deal with something.
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Speaker 4: Isn't that a law?
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Speaker 6: No, take it to the juvenile system, which is a
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Speaker 6: pubol matter process. So with that being said, now I
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Speaker 6: would like to you know, thank you, thank you very
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Speaker 6: much for having you know, man to talk about these issues.
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Speaker 5: Yeah, you're well, so Angela, we have another clip, are you.
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Speaker 7: In November and December eighteen sixty five, shortly after the
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Speaker 7: end of the Civil War, Southern States sought to control
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Speaker 7: their large populations of newly freed black people. Laws were
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Speaker 7: passed authorizing the arrest and jailing of blacks. These laws
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Speaker 7: became known as Black codes. They typically applied only to
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Speaker 7: blacks and criminalized acts that were not offenses when committed
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Speaker 7: by price. On November twenty fourth, eighteen sixty five, Mississippi
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Speaker 7: passed a Black Code declaring that all freedmen, free negroes,
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Speaker 7: and mulattoes found without proof of employment or found unlawfully
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Speaker 7: assembling themselves would owe up to fifty dollars in fines
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Speaker 7: and serve up to ten days in jail. As a
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Speaker 7: result of Black Codes, the post Civil War era brought
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Speaker 7: American black citizens more contact with the criminal courts and
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Speaker 7: prison systems than ever before. As the former Confederacy learned
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Speaker 7: to use the criminal justice system as a tool of
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Speaker 7: racial control. Countless Black men, women, and children were convicted
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Speaker 7: and sentenced under unjust laws that criminalized them for existing
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Speaker 7: as free black citizens. In November and December eighteen sixty five,
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Speaker 7: to the end of the Civil War, Southern states sought
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Speaker 7: to control their large populations of newly freed black people.
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Speaker 7: Laws were passed authorizing the arrest.
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Speaker 6: Not ma'am, but we're talking about the ratio of African
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Speaker 6: Americans and Hispanics under white individuals and not the sun.
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Speaker 6: Our convictions here in the United States, mansis of the
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Speaker 6: ratio of the juveniles convicted here in the United States.
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Speaker 6: If I'm not mistaken earlier you said not an Americans,
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Speaker 6: we're con picted it, you know, under the juvenile status
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Speaker 6: and the United States. And that's what if I was
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Speaker 6: gonna white were convicted here in the United States and
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Speaker 6: that offspent the panic are convicted it in the juvenile facilities,
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Speaker 6: you know, recording, you know, of course of the United States. Addition, cold, yeah,
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Speaker 6: to understand the juvenile process, now, I don't care. Juveniles
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Speaker 6: scissified as a delayment has mentioned earlier, and because the
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Speaker 6: juvenile is possible for the conduct of their actions until
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Speaker 6: they reached a certain age and some sas is twenty
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Speaker 6: and somehow. But here in Texas, you know, you're at eighteen.
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Speaker 6: You can buy a gun at eighteen, but they are
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Speaker 6: now trying to change the laws to twenty one years
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Speaker 6: of age still and the criminal justice system juvenile is
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Speaker 6: not responsible for that action until they reset certain age.
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Speaker 6: So if a juvenile committed criminal offense, and that criminal
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Speaker 6: offense considered our heideous open has supposed like a capital
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Speaker 6: murder of you know, a murder with an accavating element,
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Speaker 6: then that juvenile will be spacifiers to be able to
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Speaker 6: stand five as an adults and learn. Of course, put
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Speaker 6: the process to this is that the juvenile has become
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Speaker 6: more a siable protating which is under the juvenile aification process.
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Speaker 6: With that being said, a juvenile justice should has to
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Speaker 6: make an order to return it from a psychologist whether
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Speaker 6: or not the juvenile individual delinquents, if sophisticated it enough
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Speaker 6: understand in the consequences of their actions during the time
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Speaker 6: and the commissions of that offense. In some cases, psychologists
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Speaker 6: take a child and to a room and do what
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Speaker 6: they call the psychological evaluation. They asked a few questions
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Speaker 6: evaluation and also include turning information related to them from
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Speaker 6: dependent like you know, how did the child grow up
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Speaker 6: in a household of other medicating factors for their sexual
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Speaker 6: refuse in the process and seems of this nature will
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Speaker 6: In some cases these doctors are cost of by a
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Speaker 6: certifout these children as adults and they'll turn that information
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Speaker 6: to the trial court judge or the juvenile judge and
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Speaker 6: with that juvenile judge just or certainfying these kids to
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Speaker 6: send for as adults. But what has turned out is
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Speaker 6: the fact that a lot of these juveniles are being
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Speaker 6: influent adults commit these climes. And with that being said,
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Speaker 6: the certification of cologists is not considering the fact that
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Speaker 6: a lot of juveniles are being influenced by outside influences
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Speaker 6: to commit crimes. So when they're being certified like this man,
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Speaker 6: take them away from the real factories to whether or
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Speaker 6: not to say that that child understood exactly what they
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Speaker 6: were doing, because then influent bout someone else. Now for
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Speaker 6: the certification process is an illegal process. Why because the
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Speaker 6: psychologist is not being allowed to testify in court at
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Speaker 6: the how they came to their decision in order to
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Speaker 6: come to non a couple of miles to understand what
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Speaker 6: they were doing.
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Speaker 5: Now, okay with juveniles, yes, And you know also you
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Speaker 5: had touched on some that the juveniles, some of the
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Speaker 5: juveniles that get cases or are influenced by other people.
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Speaker 5: There was a case Rupert's versus Simmons. You can google
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Speaker 5: that Ruper's versus Simmons. I just found out about that
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Speaker 5: that case. It was a young man. He influenced someone
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Speaker 5: younger than him to go rib this lady m HM,
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Speaker 5: to rob the lady they had. He had it all
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Speaker 5: planned out how he wanted to do, how it was
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Speaker 5: supposed to get dead. So they went exactly and they
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Speaker 5: did it. The young man, the older guy, he was
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Speaker 5: I believe he was seventeen at the time of the
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Speaker 5: of his conviction and the younger one was fifteen. I
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Speaker 5: believe the younger one got life and the older one
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Speaker 5: got the death penalty. Well, the older one fought it.
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Speaker 5: He took it all the way to the Supreme Court
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Speaker 5: and he won it. And that's how the death penalty
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Speaker 5: came off the table. They couldn't sentence the youth with
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Speaker 5: the death penalty anymore.
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Speaker 2: In that case.
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Speaker 5: It was the Supreme Court in twenty oh five decided
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Speaker 5: and Ruper versus Simon and juvenile execution in the United States.
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Speaker 5: The Court's ruled that the United States Constitution protects people
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Speaker 5: from being sentenced to death of a career of a
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Speaker 5: crime committed when they are under the age of eighteen. So,
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Speaker 5: but since that one into effect, Texas had executed twenty two.
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Speaker 2: Twenty two youth. And I've seen their ages.
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Speaker 5: They was youth and then some was executed at the
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Speaker 5: age of twenty four. They was all in their twenties
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Speaker 5: when they was executed. But they twenty two youth was
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Speaker 5: execut executed Texas being the number one present Virginia in Oklahoma,
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Speaker 5: each one of them had they executed.
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Speaker 2: Youth. But now it's life in prison, no.
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Speaker 5: More execut But I think I need to do a
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Speaker 5: little more research in statistics. The number one people African
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Speaker 5: American juveniles, the Hispanic juveniles, then the white juveniles, and
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Speaker 5: then the other juveniles. So I looked at it like
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Speaker 5: and Cornel, tell me if I'm wrong that even when
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Speaker 5: I look at the statistics in the juvenile system, the
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Speaker 5: ju that African Americans and Latinos are the number one
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Speaker 5: are the number ones. And in the juvenile and an
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Speaker 5: adults system.
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Speaker 6: Correct man on that uh Man won the white Okay,
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Speaker 6: takes up five to one to the white. And the
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Speaker 6: criminal justice that being said, and criminal justice juvenile. Now
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Speaker 6: you know, African Americans are being certified a rate more
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Speaker 6: higher than the nationality in the United States, now you know.
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Speaker 6: And then not whoy because a lot of time African
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Speaker 6: Americans running through and this is where the Sextans Law
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Speaker 6: party is here in the state of Texics comes in
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Speaker 6: that and then not only that, in the United States,
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Speaker 6: anybody can be convicted of a crime if you are
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Speaker 6: party to the crime or if you acted in takes
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Speaker 6: of the commissions of the crimes. Here in Texas, the
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Speaker 6: United States Supreme Court ruling Stewarts Hayden that uh, the
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Speaker 6: anticipation of a juvenile to committed capital crime is under institution. Wow,
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Speaker 6: because the juvenile could not have been convicted under the
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Speaker 6: criminal liability now here in the state of Sex. Now
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Speaker 6: they're getting away with these juvenile certification convictions. That's the
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Speaker 6: fact that theistic court do not have to idemify who
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Speaker 6: committed the offer. All they have to do is the
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Speaker 6: label every somebody criminally responsible for the conduct of another.
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Speaker 6: So with this being said, well, it's thousands and hours
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Speaker 6: of juveniles are not criminal justice, man, come fifty under
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Speaker 6: a theory called the law parties or the law parties
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Speaker 6: in some cases, uh e cents before the fact or
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Speaker 6: after the past. Because this is a theme in our
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Speaker 6: criminal such the system now Texas is ratstick. We got
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Speaker 6: the case right now, man, where the eighthmate is being
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Speaker 6: faced upon the table the eighth minute pat side of
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Speaker 6: the corner. Unusual punc Well it juveilele to be convicted
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Speaker 6: to an automatic life center. It has been noticed that
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Speaker 6: a juvenile has not lived out a capital life center,
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Speaker 6: nor has any juvenile made to roll from a capital
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Speaker 6: life center of mandatory forty kid. So right now that
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Speaker 6: issue is on the table, but there still rational we're
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Speaker 6: trying to figure out how to stick the juvenile certification laws. Wow,
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Speaker 6: because a lot of juvenile fortification records of being lost
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Speaker 6: and destroyed. And with this being said, a lot of
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Speaker 6: juveniles now are not allowed to go back. And and
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Speaker 6: I paying reference to the challenge ocation process. And now
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Speaker 6: with that being said, now here it is our legislatives
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Speaker 6: are not even paying attention to the fact that but
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Speaker 6: the juvenile cannot secure that certification to school. That's the
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Speaker 6: psychologists miss h used all information to certain prose them
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Speaker 6: these kids and I come in a justice system being
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Speaker 6: forced to out of mandatory reported kids for a crime
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Speaker 6: that some of them did not most of them did
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Speaker 6: not commit, especially under the text of law parties here
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Speaker 6: in the state of text or in the law parties process.
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Speaker 5: You know, we tell you you was talking about the
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Speaker 5: Eighth Amendment and Netflix was showing a documentary on amendments,
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Speaker 5: which I highly suggest that everyone if you can if
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Speaker 5: you have over to Netflix and watched the documentary. They
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Speaker 5: have it on YouTube as well. But here I'm thinking
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Speaker 5: the eighth Amendment. Everyone I don't talk to they were
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Speaker 5: saying that the eighth Amendments was violated. They said that
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Speaker 5: fourteen and they also gave me another amendment. Cornell, this
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Speaker 5: is my opinion and I want you to chime in
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Speaker 5: to it as well. From where after talking to each
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Speaker 5: one of these men and doing research and listening to
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Speaker 5: the history and everything of how the juvenile system came
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Speaker 5: around and the clauses that they still had in their hidden.
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Speaker 2: For the African African American.
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Speaker 5: Men, to me, this is my opinion. The Amendments do
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Speaker 5: not work for our men. The eighth Amendment, you know,
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Speaker 5: the fourteenth Amendment if you go when you really when
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Speaker 5: you see what they said, well, they pointed out that
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Speaker 5: when slavery was ended, when the Amendments was drafted up,
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Speaker 5: that it was a clause left in.
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Speaker 2: I believe it was the fourteenth Amendment.
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Speaker 5: And to me, though, that clause it's what keeps our
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Speaker 5: Black men are black women, are brothers, are brown brothers
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Speaker 5: and sisters keeping behind that bar, you know, because of that,
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Speaker 5: because of the clause that.
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Speaker 2: They have in it. Can you touch on the eighth
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Speaker 2: Amendment on some of the amendments okay, man, well.
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Speaker 6: Let's touch okay, let's touch on the amendments. Okay. You
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Speaker 6: have the fourth of fifty sixth and fourteenth Amendments, the
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Speaker 6: fourth Amendments, Frank, see that's the investigation process. Well, here
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Speaker 6: it is a lot of juveniles being questioned without the
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Speaker 6: presidence of parents and without the presence of an attorney.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 6: The penst Amendment of the Rights Remain solnce man, okay,
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Speaker 6: and the sixth Amendment of the Rights of Station of
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Speaker 6: an Attorney.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 6: Now Here in the United States, based on the eighth Amendments,
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Speaker 6: the eighth Amendment applies to adults from the double jeputy centers.
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Speaker 4: Okay.
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Speaker 6: The Amber applies to juveniles because of a juvenile shall
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Speaker 6: not be certified and follow as an adult are convicted
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Speaker 6: of forcastle automatic life. And they are saying that the
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Speaker 6: eighth Amendments to Unconstitution being applied unconstitutionally to juveniles. Okay.
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Speaker 6: All of the miniment if incorporated it into the fourteenth
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Speaker 6: which is the Drew process and people protecting off that
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Speaker 6: means that no person can be proud of you process
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Speaker 6: without protections up at all five process of the juveniles
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Speaker 6: number kids being certified to say as an adult without
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Speaker 6: the proper proceedings of being the hous and thousands of
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Speaker 6: kids are being wrong of course very praising the crimes
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Speaker 6: they may not committed, while other temple back then amendment
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Speaker 6: being following the cruder un junior far now you cannot
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Speaker 6: have you the messing retarded in the vision okay throws
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Speaker 6: can't you execute to the child who don't have to
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Speaker 6: because past fish can damn brash of what they're doing.
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Speaker 6: So with the man said just family as committments and
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Speaker 6: a lot of capes of being body and hearing senis man.
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Speaker 6: We had the individual himself with indy kating that they
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Speaker 6: don't want their case people and the hearing was hitting
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Speaker 6: on that process because of the fact that the candidate
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Speaker 6: his statement the scuse that was mitigating factors that were
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Speaker 6: not heifen the collegist at the time of certification for
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Speaker 6: doveistications and not on the publized cases college in order
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Speaker 6: to uh show that these kids are sophisticated and the
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Speaker 6: VI of what they did we have as his technical
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Speaker 6: uh it when it when Uh, he was a little
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Speaker 6: kid who killed a cat rob but he was a
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Speaker 6: joined by another guy who was older than he had
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Speaker 6: to shoot we cap rob. Well, he went to the
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Speaker 6: prison system met him and he became and then for
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Speaker 6: who was allowed to real real ticket? Yep, this case
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Speaker 6: is a national case right now. Why because they would
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Speaker 6: finding other man? You know the fact if you kill
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Speaker 6: them and goal behind being in trust and just just
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Speaker 6: being addressed by our lawmakers that kids are being and
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Speaker 6: going by older people to submit cime. So my juvenile system, man,
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Speaker 6: is that our pate parking system is allowing kids to
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Speaker 6: see you a canful to lunk symptoms or fining under
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Speaker 6: the text law of the law party that they did
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Speaker 6: not commit. So even with the process about peace process
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Speaker 6: and a law party process, the as amendment is getting
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Speaker 6: violated man, and the process of the jubiliu system.
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Speaker 2: So you said that they are they lawyers or legal
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Speaker 2: do they have.
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Speaker 5: Legal rep you know what I'm trying to say, I'll
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Speaker 5: be getting our tingue tied. Yes, when you said that
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Speaker 5: they're not they have they being coached into plead and
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Speaker 5: guilty or talked into that plead and guilty?
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Speaker 2: Do they have their.
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Speaker 5: Lawyers are attorneys there and they are do you know
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Speaker 5: if their attorneys are advised had advised them to plead
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Speaker 5: that way?
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Speaker 6: Okay? If you got five juine coccusers of commitment apartment,
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Speaker 6: okay and whatever the person is, that individual, like I said,
27:37
Speaker 6: a lot coming around village does not be an ass
27:39
Speaker 6: because the technic and m.
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Speaker 4: Hmm, well.
27:45
Speaker 6: You and if they don't even.
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Speaker 2: You have one minute.
27:54
Speaker 6: But because of that back then thousands of I mean,
27:58
Speaker 6: and they you are BM kick from going too to
28:03
Speaker 6: get the death to put up?
28:04
Speaker 2: And I call back, okay, So why Cornell getting ready
28:08
Speaker 2: gonna call us?
28:10
Speaker 4: Call me back, call us back.
28:13
Speaker 2: We want to go to another cliff if Angela, if
28:16
Speaker 2: you have a clip.
28:16
Speaker 3: That's that court's applying Eighth Amendment cases to see if
28:19
Speaker 3: the nation has changed its mind about what is cruel
28:23
Speaker 3: and unusual. And in the nineteen eighty nine Stanford decision,
28:27
Speaker 3: the court ruled that the juvenile death penalty wasn't unusual
28:31
Speaker 3: because so many states still allowed it. But over the
28:35
Speaker 3: next decade, an important shift occurred in our understanding of juveniles,
28:40
Speaker 3: and that shift was based on science.
28:44
Speaker 8: The scientific community had done a lot of research on
28:47
Speaker 8: the human brain and the juvenile brand and showed that
28:50
Speaker 8: they're not like adults.
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Speaker 3: All right, So let's just get our term straight before
28:54
Speaker 3: we get to the science. Juvenile is a legal term
28:57
Speaker 3: for people under Eighteenlogists sort juveniles into separate groups. Children
29:03
Speaker 3: are the youngest, and adolescents are making the transition into adults.
29:08
Speaker 9: Adolescents are different from children, but yet they're not quite adults.
29:13
Speaker 9: They're clearly more mature and more capable than children, but
29:16
Speaker 9: they still don't have the full capabilities of adults.
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Speaker 3: Take a look at this. This is an image of
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Speaker 3: an adolescent brain. In the nineteen nineties, scientists undertook a
29:27
Speaker 3: long term study on adolescents, scanning the brains of over
29:31
Speaker 3: one hundred people between the ages of twelve and twenty five,
29:35
Speaker 3: and what they found is that not only do teenagers
29:38
Speaker 3: act differently, their brains work differently.
29:43
Speaker 9: When we now know that the brain undergoes a dramatic
29:46
Speaker 9: series of changes during the adolescent years and into their
29:50
Speaker 9: early twenties, there are three main sets of changes that
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Speaker 9: neuroscientists think are important.
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Speaker 3: The first set takes place in the pre frontal cortex
30:01
Speaker 3: right here.
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Speaker 9: We think of it as the CEO of the brain.
30:05
Speaker 9: It's the brain's chief executive officer. It's the part of
30:08
Speaker 9: the brain that's responsible for all of our advanced thinking abilities,
30:12
Speaker 9: like planning ahead or thinking about the future, or logical reasoning.
30:18
Speaker 3: As the prefrontal cortex develops during adolescence and into adulthood,
30:23
Speaker 3: we get better at things like self control, thinking ahead,
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Speaker 3: and weighing risk.
30:30
Speaker 9: A second change in the brain that takes place during
30:32
Speaker 9: adolescence involves a part of the brain called the limbic system.
30:36
Speaker 9: It's a part of the brain that's very important for
30:39
Speaker 9: our experience.
30:40
Speaker 3: Of emotion, and during adolescence, our limbic regions go into overdrive.
30:45
Speaker 9: So when we look at young people's emotions, we see
30:49
Speaker 9: that they have higher highs and lower lows. And then
30:52
Speaker 9: the third major development in the brain during adolescence has
30:56
Speaker 9: to do with connections between different parts of the brain.
30:59
Speaker 9: The brain becomes much more interconnected as.
31:02
Speaker 3: Our brains developed, The logical calculating prefrontal cortex learns to
31:07
Speaker 3: interact better with the emotional limbic system. We learn to
31:11
Speaker 3: control our emotions bad. But all these developments don't happen
31:16
Speaker 3: at the same time. Some parts develop faster than others,
31:19
Speaker 3: and this can lead teenagers to make some bad, often
31:23
Speaker 3: risky decisions.
31:25
Speaker 4: Josh, do it now, David.
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Speaker 2: They're impetuous, they're frankly not thinking.
31:34
Speaker 9: The reason that kids take more risks than adults, we think,
31:39
Speaker 9: has to do with this mismatch between this easily aroused
31:42
Speaker 9: emotional system and the more rational self control system. Kids
31:50
Speaker 9: may be more likely to overlook the downside of a
31:54
Speaker 9: risky decision.
31:56
Speaker 8: And what this medical science was showing increasingly is that
31:59
Speaker 8: the key portions of the brain which control impulses, which
32:04
Speaker 8: allows somebody look at the consequences of their actions in sixteen, seventeen,
32:09
Speaker 8: eighteen year olds, is not developed yet. That evidence that
32:12
Speaker 8: science really cause people to reflect as I think the
32:19
Speaker 8: genius of the Eighth Amendment requires prosecutors and judges to do.
32:24
Speaker 3: In other words, as we learn more about the brain,
32:26
Speaker 3: about what's normal in a brain that hasn't fully developed,
32:30
Speaker 3: the courts adjusted, are standards of decency evolved when it
32:35
Speaker 3: came to the eighth A test that courts apply in
32:38
Speaker 3: Eighth Amendment cases to see if the nation has changed
32:41
Speaker 3: its mind about what is cruel and unusual. And in
32:45
Speaker 3: the nineteen.
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Speaker 5: Basically the video that you just seen red read wait
33:09
Speaker 5: a minute, I'm getting a lost of words.
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Speaker 4: Now.
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Speaker 5: Basically it's saying the same thing that Cornell just told
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Speaker 5: us about the juvenile. But you can also see that
33:22
Speaker 5: they did research on the brain, that they're not mature
33:28
Speaker 5: when some of them do their crimes. But yet and
33:32
Speaker 5: still they say that, I look, you know this, this
33:38
Speaker 5: really touched me when I was doing my research. They
33:43
Speaker 5: said that a juvenile to offense. To read it, I'm
33:49
Speaker 5: gonna get it for you because that one stood. This
33:53
Speaker 5: one stood out.
33:56
Speaker 4: More to me.
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Speaker 2: So you know, I just googled, I said, what is
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Speaker 2: the youngest age to go to jail?
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Speaker 6: And the.
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Speaker 2: It CA came back.
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Speaker 5: There's no minimum there's no minimum age for criminal responsibility.
34:22
Speaker 5: Children below the age of fourteen can face can only
34:28
Speaker 5: face incarceration if they are proven to have enough discernment
34:35
Speaker 5: between right and wrong. Incarceration starts at the age of fourteen,
34:44
Speaker 5: so even if even under fourteen, they can still be
34:48
Speaker 5: incarcerated if they know right from wrong.
34:51
Speaker 2: So jump in, Cornell is back with us. Welcome back, Cornell.
34:56
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, ma'am. Okay, that's thetatistic is identifying the sector.
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Speaker 6: You know, as we already know that fort your kid.
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Speaker 6: So does not have a couple of middle states to
35:08
Speaker 6: understand the idea of regally writing from home while because
35:11
Speaker 6: they might have to still a sign of development. Okay,
35:14
Speaker 6: and this is why now it has come to be,
35:20
Speaker 6: does not developments still that either twenty years old or
35:25
Speaker 6: twenty five years old now, so under these frienical experiences.
35:29
Speaker 6: Earlier they mentioned the fact that realization is one of
35:33
Speaker 6: the main issues to determine that whether a child delinquent
35:38
Speaker 6: is comforable enough of and the child as an adult.
35:42
Speaker 6: So what has turned out is that most of these
35:44
Speaker 6: juveniles have come our prisicystems and have shown rebilization and
35:49
Speaker 6: have shown that they are capable of developed. So that's
35:54
Speaker 6: the main issue with our criminal justice system. But the
35:57
Speaker 6: juvenile and they put the developed the law by the
36:00
Speaker 6: citizens and society was just an argument. Today we had
36:05
Speaker 6: a juvenile who committed the crime at the age of fourteen,
36:08
Speaker 6: fifteen and sixteen was not an individual who should be
36:13
Speaker 6: placing to society. Why because he was saying that they
36:15
Speaker 6: could not be rigialitating. These kids have shown different. So
36:22
Speaker 6: the individual I was thinking about, he has coming shown
36:24
Speaker 6: rehabilitation and I have seen another case for thousands of
36:28
Speaker 6: kids have shown rehabilitation and the juveniles, but our law
36:32
Speaker 6: is not trying to acknowledge the fact of rehabilitation. To
36:35
Speaker 6: come back now and change the juvenile facility laws. But
36:40
Speaker 6: he's in face. Individuals not give him access to have
36:43
Speaker 6: their centizens reduced for the problems that man.
36:48
Speaker 5: So how do we.
36:52
Speaker 2: Change it?
36:52
Speaker 5: How do we direct the youth? How do we get
36:58
Speaker 5: their attention? How do we keep them are out of prison?
37:01
Speaker 5: How do you know that's where I'm at? Because you
37:06
Speaker 5: know when I youth, well I never it wasn't no
37:10
Speaker 5: big secret. I always talked about my son. My son
37:15
Speaker 5: did as he did some time in prison. And when
37:19
Speaker 5: I would going there, I would see the little youngsters
37:22
Speaker 5: in there around these men, and they actually are playing
37:30
Speaker 5: like little kids. They running around, hit tagging each other, running,
37:35
Speaker 5: and you know, and you've got the older men. They
37:40
Speaker 5: sit there and they looking at him like they think
37:44
Speaker 5: this is like they think this is a playground or something.
37:48
Speaker 5: And that's how some of them are acting in there.
37:52
Speaker 2: So how do we how do we reach our youth?
37:55
Speaker 2: How do we reach them?
37:58
Speaker 6: Okay, Well, first of all, ma'am, a lot of a
38:01
Speaker 6: lot of things. Visuals started learning the fact that they
38:04
Speaker 6: can take advantage of a juvenile. Wow, because adult will
38:09
Speaker 6: realizing the fact that I can let a juvenile sell
38:12
Speaker 6: drugged for me and if he can come, he just
38:14
Speaker 6: go to juveniles, okay. Or I can encourage the juvenile
38:17
Speaker 6: to gonna comeit a crime for me, he's gonna go
38:19
Speaker 6: to juvenile okay. So with this being said, ma'am, I
38:22
Speaker 6: just need to come to understand that it's easy to
38:26
Speaker 6: influence the child of commital crime a piece of candy
38:28
Speaker 6: that you can give a candid that don't do anything
38:31
Speaker 6: you want. With that being said, kids are being taken
38:34
Speaker 6: advantage of. But our law makers are not looking at that.
38:37
Speaker 6: They're looking at the serious nature of the offense that's
38:40
Speaker 6: being committed these kids. And now that you was the
38:44
Speaker 6: need psychologists to becuse the se that the sophistic candidates
38:54
Speaker 6: to stay as at he's the because the whole part, ma'am,
39:06
Speaker 6: Because you've got thousands and thoullars of any digual kids.
39:11
Speaker 4: Who never.
39:14
Speaker 6: They't never got anything, okay, but they're sitting and because
39:18
Speaker 6: somebody else committed the crime. So I mentioned earlier, most
39:22
Speaker 6: big kids have said guilty under the reputation why because
39:29
Speaker 6: this is what they're saying prevents them from getting the testimons.
39:33
Speaker 6: So what's the difference between having a capital right sons
39:35
Speaker 6: with our propability and p role to being executed. There's
39:38
Speaker 6: really no differ because what there, you're gonna shoot, You're
39:41
Speaker 6: gonna die. Yeah, so you're being forced to clody die
39:44
Speaker 6: as opposed to pay putting to death by execution. But
39:48
Speaker 6: this money is the issue of the fact that can't
39:51
Speaker 6: that time be redeemed to be realbilitations And why come
39:55
Speaker 6: our system does not fus give them that opportunity for rehabilitation.
40:00
Speaker 6: I want to figure that out.
40:07
Speaker 2: Could I jump in? I think the reason why they.
40:13
Speaker 5: Don't want to change it because they looking at they
40:17
Speaker 5: looking at these kids.
40:18
Speaker 2: As dollar signs.
40:21
Speaker 6: Thank you.
40:22
Speaker 5: They looking looking at them as dollar signs. And if
40:29
Speaker 5: they don't have no you know, okay, so we're gonna
40:32
Speaker 5: put them in the prisons programs for the men. Some
40:38
Speaker 5: of them don't have where they can get education. So
40:41
Speaker 5: some of them are self talk so h taking the
40:50
Speaker 5: kids away from edge education and you you know, so
40:55
Speaker 5: they can't get the education show once.
40:57
Speaker 2: They are relieve, some of them do.
41:07
Speaker 5: Or you know, so they look they just look these
41:13
Speaker 5: people are just looking at our kids as dollar signs.
41:17
Speaker 5: That's all they doing, and getting freshlated and getting free
41:21
Speaker 5: work out of them.
41:23
Speaker 2: That's it. That's that's my take.
41:25
Speaker 6: We know we know that I'm going as of the
41:28
Speaker 6: multi beingion not enterprise. We know that for a fact, Okay,
41:32
Speaker 6: to ask the question of count we keep our kids
41:35
Speaker 6: from being, you know, made victims of becoming a busice
41:38
Speaker 6: system like this, Well, we have court judges, juven our judges,
41:42
Speaker 6: we have just the conternity. We have people who are
41:45
Speaker 6: at peace to try to you know, teach these kids,
41:48
Speaker 6: you know, and put these kids in a better position
41:50
Speaker 6: and tending them to a prison system to turn out
41:53
Speaker 6: a whole forty what's happening is that because it's the
41:56
Speaker 6: multi being not enterprise, nobody is wilding to Pike that
42:00
Speaker 6: saying on trying to spend the dollars for representation. You
42:03
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, as opposed to spending the dollars
42:05
Speaker 6: to house them in these systems for forty years, it
42:10
Speaker 6: takes less the house of person and a priston system
42:13
Speaker 6: for ten years, you know, as opposed to takes the
42:16
Speaker 6: house a person in a prison system for forty years. Man.
42:20
Speaker 6: So this is the problem with our custom my system
42:23
Speaker 6: is not willing to spend the dollars and the right
42:25
Speaker 6: stay to real plus take these kids instead of just
42:27
Speaker 6: spending the dollars to house them in our prison system
42:30
Speaker 6: until they out. Man. And this is a very sad thing.
42:34
Speaker 6: So as of right now, they're rapping with the fact
42:37
Speaker 6: that our parole board system needs to have some say
42:40
Speaker 6: so and whether or not a person's conviction as allows
42:44
Speaker 6: some need to be need to thirty years hope, whether
42:47
Speaker 6: or not they should be releasing forty years. Well, two
42:50
Speaker 6: years ago they denied our juvenile law because of that time.
42:56
Speaker 6: That's the only reason they denied our juvenile law, because
42:59
Speaker 6: they want the pole to happen, say going whether a
43:07
Speaker 6: juvenile is released in thirty years as opposed to board kids.
43:10
Speaker 5: Man, we let me just it, says. The jj A
43:18
Speaker 5: budget was increased binarily one hundred million, aim a plan
43:30
Speaker 5: of planning one hundred million. Shouldn't I go into the
43:42
Speaker 5: school system?
43:44
Speaker 4: Sus?
43:47
Speaker 6: But it they couldn't talk.
43:53
Speaker 5: Okay, it costs they it cost cost the taxpayers the
44:00
Speaker 5: three hundred three hundred, one hundred and thirty six thousand dollars.
44:07
Speaker 6: A year.
44:09
Speaker 2: Two house a youth.
44:18
Speaker 4: Youth, Oh, okay, and the youth.
44:31
Speaker 2: Else t our youth two three direct them.
44:40
Speaker 6: To keep.
44:42
Speaker 2: Keep them from going into the prison system system. This
44:50
Speaker 2: is just my thought, you know, I when you.
44:52
Speaker 5: See the numbers how much taxpayers are paying the year
44:56
Speaker 5: the house, one youth that's not two or three or
45:05
Speaker 5: ten of them is one that can that money can.
45:16
Speaker 6: Now with that incident, now for anybody who's listening to
45:21
Speaker 6: this podcast tonight, man, uh, you know, all we can
45:24
Speaker 6: try to do and encourage people to come out, to
45:28
Speaker 6: speak up and to have your voice heard about the
45:30
Speaker 6: criminal different system here in the United States. Wow, because
45:34
Speaker 6: our lawmakers, I judge just after frame cool. You know,
45:37
Speaker 6: they're not paying at church to the real problems in
45:39
Speaker 6: our United States. You know, the United States is the
45:42
Speaker 6: number one, the number one, uh states in the in
45:46
Speaker 6: the in the country has got more people locked up
45:48
Speaker 6: of prisons than anywhere in the United States that's been identified.
45:52
Speaker 6: We have more people and our present system and we
45:55
Speaker 6: have was identified. We have more people and our system
46:03
Speaker 6: then we're having the military. Man and this is very
46:06
Speaker 6: sad that our love one because I'm not allowed are
46:08
Speaker 6: not being you know, encouraged to become and try. You know,
46:12
Speaker 6: you allowed the dollars that the tax fails to being
46:14
Speaker 6: forced to pay the bile of housing of one individual
46:17
Speaker 6: juvenile for one year. How that same individual juveniles for
46:22
Speaker 6: twenty years. When you can take the same money and
46:25
Speaker 6: build facilities in order to try to redeem these kids
46:28
Speaker 6: from committing crimes. Place more facilities, more recreational facilities, and education,
46:34
Speaker 6: the facilities in our community and orders to be able
46:37
Speaker 6: to help these kids to stop committing crimes. Right now,
46:42
Speaker 6: we got a citizen and very count in mister fools.
46:45
Speaker 6: He says that he got a juvenile that he didn't
46:47
Speaker 6: know what or not he should send us any visital
46:49
Speaker 6: of prison or going not. He was confused, he said,
46:53
Speaker 6: because this is very sad that we have these ullinis
46:55
Speaker 6: committing find that the race that they're committing these crimes
46:58
Speaker 6: and we're not excusing them. Another thing we're not gonna
47:01
Speaker 6: do on let's talk about it tonight. We want the truth,
47:05
Speaker 6: but we want accountability. So because we want the truth
47:08
Speaker 6: on accountability, we need our lawmakes if you held accountable
47:12
Speaker 6: for their actions of not taking no action at all
47:15
Speaker 6: to reveal and reform and fix our promotion. This is
47:20
Speaker 6: a problem, yeah, right now, and we have a parole
47:23
Speaker 6: for it's not one that's so our control that they
47:26
Speaker 6: me They say that you have to rely on an
47:29
Speaker 6: individual on whether or not you can make the role.
47:32
Speaker 6: But where is the system we're supposed to rely on them,
47:35
Speaker 6: We're not relying on the systems. So now with that
47:38
Speaker 6: being said, our prisonal system, our capital punishment faces so
47:42
Speaker 6: over crowded and it's not the thing. But now our
47:45
Speaker 6: court judges, the Supreme Court judges, and our lawmakers are
47:48
Speaker 6: not doing anything to fix our problems when it comes
47:53
Speaker 6: to the juvenile systems to take amendment is being violated.
47:56
Speaker 6: And all we can act, y'all to do is come
47:58
Speaker 6: out and speak up and let's avest to get about
48:01
Speaker 6: our juvenile system, our criminals, the system without the roles,
48:08
Speaker 6: and we need to vote these lawmakes without or not
48:10
Speaker 6: put in the stand up and do their job to
48:13
Speaker 6: try to pick the problem that.
48:14
Speaker 2: They have created exactly.
48:17
Speaker 5: Now you know, you guys know we're getting close to
48:20
Speaker 5: November fifth, that we're getting ready to vote. So if
48:25
Speaker 5: you don't get out there and vote, you can't say nothing.
48:30
Speaker 5: You cannot say now you can't even say anything because
48:34
Speaker 5: you didn't stand up and vote. Whether you vote for Trump,
48:38
Speaker 5: whether you vote for the vice president, you have no
48:45
Speaker 5: say so, so if anything something don't go your way,
48:49
Speaker 5: don't say anything because you didn't you didn't use your
48:52
Speaker 5: voice to get out there and vote. So and also
48:57
Speaker 5: when you go when these judges are up for a
49:01
Speaker 5: re election in the for the juvenile courts, vote for them.
49:07
Speaker 5: Do your research on them. Just don't go in there
49:11
Speaker 5: and just start checking off people and stuff because.
49:15
Speaker 2: You time.
49:19
Speaker 5: If you didn't want to read, Jodie, I know I'm voting.
49:24
Speaker 5: You know, you got to let your voice be heard.
49:29
Speaker 2: Don't be.
49:32
Speaker 5: Scared even if your voice is shaky. My voice be shaky,
49:36
Speaker 5: and be cracking it. I be stumbling over words.
49:39
Speaker 2: But you know what, I don't care.
49:42
Speaker 5: I'm going to use my voice and I'm going to
49:45
Speaker 5: speak up for the for the ones that don't have
49:50
Speaker 5: a voice to speak. You know, it's it's a shame
49:57
Speaker 5: that Texas have over nine thousand men men in prison
50:06
Speaker 5: on wrong for convictions. Look color agreeing with me. He
50:12
Speaker 5: out there barking.
50:14
Speaker 2: You know, it's a shame. It's a shame. It shouldn't
50:20
Speaker 2: be be not one persons suit.
50:25
Speaker 5: And then they once they find out they didn't do it,
50:29
Speaker 5: they still got to fight another twenty to thirty years
50:34
Speaker 5: to get out. They got to fight for their freem
50:41
Speaker 5: Why a person that actually did the crime is walking
50:45
Speaker 5: out free. We got ten minutes. I want to get
50:48
Speaker 5: this out.
50:49
Speaker 2: Real quick because this been, this been on my mind Denver, Denver.
51:00
Speaker 2: They had.
51:02
Speaker 5: It was some cases that came up and it was
51:06
Speaker 5: public public record. It was in the newspaper and stuff
51:09
Speaker 5: where I had talked to Christopher Taylor, he been on
51:13
Speaker 5: the show about his crime.
51:16
Speaker 2: As a youth. Then we see this, I see in
51:20
Speaker 2: the paper, this.
51:23
Speaker 5: Guy he committed the exact almost the exact crime. And
51:30
Speaker 5: so Christopher asked me, he said, Schanet, can you send
51:34
Speaker 5: it to me now?
51:35
Speaker 2: Mind you I have sent me.
51:37
Speaker 5: I had sent in articles to them about these cases.
51:44
Speaker 5: I get a mail email saying that I was censored.
51:49
Speaker 5: They won't allow them to talk to me on a podcast.
51:54
Speaker 2: They can only talk to their lawyers.
51:57
Speaker 5: They cannot receive magazine in no more, they cannot receive
52:04
Speaker 5: newspaper article pertaining to what's going on. They had a
52:12
Speaker 5: da over there no a prosecutor, and it was this.
52:19
Speaker 4: He was a guy.
52:20
Speaker 5: He was shadow having a student shadow him, having another
52:24
Speaker 5: a little boy shadow him, where the parents found some
52:29
Speaker 5: text message inappropriate text message from this person that was.
52:35
Speaker 2: Had this young man shadow on him at work.
52:39
Speaker 5: So he was arrested for grooming. He was grooming a
52:43
Speaker 5: little boy. They was gonna meet up and everything. The
52:46
Speaker 5: parents found that. The parents wanted him to testify against them.
52:52
Speaker 5: Can somebody tell me how much time did that prosecutor
52:58
Speaker 5: get for grooming that little boy?
53:03
Speaker 2: Hmm, I'm gonna tell you. I infanc to tell you.
53:08
Speaker 2: They gave him two months in jail and he gets
53:15
Speaker 2: five years probation.
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Speaker 5: He doesn't have to wear as a stir as a
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Speaker 5: sex offender.
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Speaker 2: Only thing he can he im with that picture? Co host,
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Speaker 2: can you tell me what's wrong with this picture?
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Speaker 6: Get fair fat the fire of the the theaw first
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Speaker 6: the ball destruct you ma'am. But then I sudn't identified
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Speaker 6: and show favor or any didn't. But then I come
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Speaker 6: up because bumps of the court. He committed a client
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Speaker 6: and he doesn't. Ten thousands and thousand people in prison
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Speaker 6: for law penises, but he a't committed crime and it
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Speaker 6: gets only two months and by the obation. Wow, because
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Speaker 6: he was both the laws and they really didn't want
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Speaker 6: to sen him. But these are the issues affected my
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Speaker 6: coming a justice system man seven and six and quiet
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Speaker 6: laugh frights, all of these issues affects our feminal justice system. Okay,
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Speaker 6: the same that we're admitted in these same issues. These
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Speaker 6: juveniles were compiicted it under these same process. So this
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Speaker 6: is why we need to send up and are the
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Speaker 6: issue has changed in our juveile system is very important.
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Speaker 4: Man, who do you believe?
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Speaker 2: I'm sorry? You know, I'm sorry.
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Speaker 5: I just wanted to say this because you know why,
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Speaker 5: because somebody need I need to be I want this
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Speaker 5: explain to me.
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Speaker 2: My whine tried to explain it to me.
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Speaker 5: Why the laws don't work for the the black man
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Speaker 5: and the and our brown brothers. Why it doesn't work
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Speaker 5: for them in some cases is due, but they had
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Speaker 5: to fight for it. Why it don't work, but for
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Speaker 5: any for that other You can say that I'm being racist,
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Speaker 5: but I'm not. I'm just pointing out the facts because
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Speaker 5: the statistics don't lie. And if you look at the
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Speaker 5: if you do your research, everybody says that the black
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Speaker 5: person and the brown man are the two that served
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Speaker 5: the longest time on roong for convictions.
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Speaker 6: They are.
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Speaker 4: They.
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Speaker 5: I mean, it's just all over I'm sorry. I'm just
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Speaker 5: you know, I'm just passionate about this because it's not fair.
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Speaker 4: Okay, it's not fair.
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Speaker 6: We have man with you're allowed about all white jerrys
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Speaker 6: and the district court man, I have him a juvenile
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Speaker 6: and it's the life sentences with parole here and I
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Speaker 6: come in a system and each one of them the
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Speaker 6: jury was attacked against them. And one case some of
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Speaker 6: guy had all female children after killing a female h
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Speaker 6: individuals he had all female jury. His lawyer was a
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Speaker 6: former distance so walk from I come on the systems
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Speaker 6: behind we call our coup and because we don't you know,
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Speaker 6: we don't well not winning the big problems man. We
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Speaker 6: need to stand up an accestam man. We need to
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Speaker 6: have mess our law making six kee problems man, So
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Speaker 6: would that be going to have less us? Uh uh
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Speaker 6: to tap out. But you know, thank few people for
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Speaker 6: coming on and listen to what we had to say
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Speaker 6: on the Let's talk about the show of what's wrong
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Speaker 6: with our United States? The justices as the nine office
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Speaker 6: was about the juvenile process and how it worked and
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Speaker 6: howard don't work and I always ten and thousands of
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Speaker 6: dollars with the make with juvenile I said close and
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Speaker 6: I from the Justice, if you will please stand up
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Speaker 6: and vote and both these at me because I will
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Speaker 6: not willing to pick our Huber out because this is
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Speaker 6: a very issue.
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Speaker 4: You got kids.
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Speaker 6: Convicted at fifteen, having to do forty years of their
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Speaker 6: freedom and.
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Speaker 4: Even just.
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Speaker 6: Well, that's no evidence to prove it being enforced by
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Speaker 6: lawyer to please you, being encouraged by those to commit
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Speaker 6: a crime that they're not responsible for. Committee, So please
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Speaker 6: come out, stand up, and now your boyfriend herd and
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Speaker 6: so please vot. MISSI you can close out man.
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Speaker 2: Thank you.
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Speaker 5: I'm not gonna say nothing after that. You you don't
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Speaker 5: closed it out for us. Co host, I just want
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Speaker 5: to just say, you, guys, this is just a I'm
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Speaker 5: really compassionate about this subject. And if you don't have
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Speaker 5: anything to say, don't say it at all. Stay in
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Speaker 5: your lane, Stay in your lane, and.
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Speaker 2: Drink your water.
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Speaker 5: I'm gonna drink mines, but I'm gonna use my voice though,
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Speaker 5: because I'm gonna get a look. I'm gonna drink mines
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Speaker 5: because I'm gonna get a little thirsty. So on that note,
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Speaker 5: join us back here on Monday, October twenty eighth, we
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Speaker 5: have another bonus show, so maybe we get mister Legate
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Speaker 5: or somebody else to join us. We know we can't
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Speaker 5: talk to Denver because we're censored.
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Speaker 2: You guys, have a good week, and I'll see you
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Speaker 2: guys back on Monday.