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Patriots Unfiltered 1/9: Jets Recap, Takeaways from 2023 Season, Mapping Out the Pats Offseason · Patriots Unfiltered

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  Speaker 2: It's a banger?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah?
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  Speaker 2: I don't I don't know. I was like, I don't
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  Speaker 1: Stadium and it's Deuce, it's Tamara in her leopard skin,
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  Speaker 1: Evan Paul, myself, Matt and Na Booth.
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  Speaker 9: Wait what was it?
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  Speaker 5: Can you do that again?
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  Speaker 9: Wow? And this will probably be my last time wearing
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  Speaker 9: this to start.
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  Speaker 1: The season is over. The Patriots wrapped up the season
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  Speaker 1: with a seventeen to three loss to the Jets in
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  Speaker 1: a game. I thought there was no way they would lose.
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  Speaker 1: I you know, I got to be honest.
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  Speaker 5: I didn't think they would lose either.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I picked them right.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, we were all back on board.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I thought there was a chance they could lose,
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  Speaker 5: but I didn't think they would.
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  Speaker 1: The fact that they just couldn't put together anything, and
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  Speaker 1: I know the weather was bad and everything, but still
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  Speaker 1: they managed to run for one hundred and eighty yards.
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  Speaker 1: You know, just really disappointing into the season, but typical
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  Speaker 1: of what the season has been. Disappointing. Uh, And of
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  Speaker 1: course the big story is what's gonna happen with Bill Belichick.
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  Speaker 1: We don't know. We know according to reports that they
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  Speaker 1: met yesterday. What's going on today? We have no idea,
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  Speaker 1: no idea.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, hearing various reports. I don't know about the Jeff
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  Speaker 2: how thing where it's like they met, they're going to
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  Speaker 2: meet again. It was just classically nothing nothing.
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  Speaker 5: Really if he says they could do this, if he
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  Speaker 5: doesn't stay, they could do this or that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, breaking players have packed up and they're gone.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, saw them all the human tark that's
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  Speaker 2: always it's always a tough.
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  Speaker 1: And then there was a story today by Mike Katlick,
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  Speaker 1: who had extensive time with Trent Brown. Did you read that, Dakota,
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  Speaker 1: I'm sorry guy, Dakota.
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  Speaker 9: Sorry, I just want to give you a proper credit.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, Dakota, my bad. But he got some time
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  Speaker 1: with Trent Brown and Trent Brown unloaded. I saw a
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  Speaker 1: lot of people, Oh, Trent Brown speaking the truth, like
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  Speaker 1: media people saying like, why is that any you know,
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  Speaker 1: more true than the other stuff? You know, But anyway,
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  Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting to hear what he had to say.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, I think, uh, I mean, some of it
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  Speaker 2: we can talk about because he obviously makes himself out to.
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  Speaker 1: Be, you know, sympathetic figure.
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  Speaker 2: He was grinding, but also at the same time saying like, yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I didn't really want to go to camp early and
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  Speaker 2: it's really hard there, and right you know, he's kind
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  Speaker 2: of talking out about side of his mouth. I just
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  Speaker 2: I thought the interesting thing was the Kearris and Mason thing,
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  Speaker 2: and we've talked about that stuff. The only thing, you know,
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  Speaker 2: right there, it was like, you know, keep these guys,
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  Speaker 2: you're not You're not constantly chasing your tail form for
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  Speaker 2: that position. So that to me was.
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  Speaker 1: When a player is that specific about personnel moves? You
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  Speaker 1: know that he's not the only one talking about like
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  Speaker 1: that's that's the scuttle butt.
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  Speaker 9: Sure, and he was on that twenty one line, right,
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  Speaker 9: so like that's that was his line for a while.
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  Speaker 9: And I think he we all talk about it all
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  Speaker 9: the time. How they've they've fallen apart since then, that
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  Speaker 9: those series of moves on the interior, Toney Carris Mason,
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  Speaker 9: that was a domino effect and they've never recovered, you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, And it's funny. But despite all of that, he's like, yeah,
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  Speaker 1: I'd be open to come back, but you know, we'd
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  Speaker 1: have to talk.
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  Speaker 5: You know what it is.
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  Speaker 1: But he doesn't have any options.
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  Speaker 5: If they give him more money than anybody else, like
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  Speaker 5: the last time, he'll come back. That. I mean, that's
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  Speaker 5: what it's about for these guys.
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  Speaker 1: But for most most of them, no, that can't happen.
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  Speaker 5: I would highly doubt it. But the premise of what
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  Speaker 5: he talked about with Carris is something that we talk
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  Speaker 5: about a lot. When we were talking about like the
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  Speaker 5: draft picks and the young players, and I think you
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  Speaker 5: can't identify it. You can't. There's not a like a
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  Speaker 5: you know, a spreadsheet that has a column that you
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  Speaker 5: can say, this is actually part of your team building.
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  Speaker 5: But I do think that you're right, Fred, when they
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  Speaker 5: have a guy like Ted Carris, and this is like,
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  Speaker 5: I want to focus on Carris in particular because there's
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  Speaker 5: a lot of people that would say, well, you know,
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  Speaker 5: Joe Toney, that's a lot of money, Jack Mason, they
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  Speaker 5: gave a lot of money Ted Carris. We're not talking
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  Speaker 5: about a lot of money, which is talking about average,
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  Speaker 5: you know, pretty much a bargain for a starting caliber
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  Speaker 5: offensive lineman. And when you let those guys go, it
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  Speaker 5: does I think resonate in the locker room and people
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  Speaker 5: look at that and say, God, like Ted Carris.
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  Speaker 1: He did.
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  Speaker 5: He was like a late round draft way up, did
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  Speaker 5: everything that the team wanted him to do, ascend it
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  Speaker 5: to a starting job and played really well in that
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  Speaker 5: role and they still let him go over peanuts. People
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  Speaker 5: over peanuts.
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  Speaker 9: Honestly, he was he was a media favorite. I love
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  Speaker 9: Ted Harris. I mean that guy is head a great
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  Speaker 9: He's a great human beings. Walter Peyton, Man of the
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  Speaker 9: Year nominee for the Bengals this year team captain. You know, like,
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  Speaker 9: that's the guy that they should have been building around.
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  Speaker 9: But it's like they have a boat that's taking on water,
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  Speaker 9: and instead of just plugging holes that already exist, they
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  Speaker 9: just start creating these other holes. And that's exactly what
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  Speaker 9: they did on the offensive line was and that's kind
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  Speaker 9: of what Trent's point was was he already had to
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  Speaker 9: draft a new quarterback, get receivers, do all these other things,
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  Speaker 9: and now you're starting over on the offensive line too,
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  Speaker 9: and they just they spread themselves too thin. You don't
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  Speaker 9: have all the resources in the world to be able
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  Speaker 9: to fix everything all at once.
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  Speaker 4: That's why I'm concerned. I'm like, who ultimately made the decision?
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  Speaker 4: Was it the scouting department?
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  Speaker 3: Was it Bill?
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  Speaker 4: Like?
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  Speaker 1: Who?
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  Speaker 4: Like, who's that fault?
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  Speaker 10: Here?
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  Speaker 1: In Bill's own worlds, he had final.
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  Speaker 5: Say for for who designed and who not. That's one
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  Speaker 5: hundred percent Bill, absolutely, Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: You know what else resonated for me was the thing
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  Speaker 2: about it just sucks not knowing your schedule for the
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  Speaker 2: next day until the night before, and it's impossible to plan.
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  Speaker 2: I have I've heard that from a lot of people,
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  Speaker 2: and I think we're all on that schedule too. We
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  Speaker 2: all we all get that.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I hope to get a little top golf in tonight.
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  Speaker 1: That's been a com excuse me, a common theme throughout
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  Speaker 1: the years, most more from coach, you know, coaches than
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  Speaker 1: we play as.
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  Speaker 5: Going back, you know, and I can tell your stories,
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  Speaker 5: like literally going back to like the early part of
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  Speaker 5: the dynasty.
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  Speaker 2: This was always it keeping.
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  Speaker 1: That's not a new thing with Bill's.
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  Speaker 5: Bill has always been like that.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's not like, oh.
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  Speaker 5: That's a reason why it doesn't work.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that's not a thing of late. He's
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  Speaker 1: since the beginning. He's always let's worry about what we
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  Speaker 1: have to worry about. Now, we'll make schedules for next month,
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  Speaker 1: next month, you know. And but I get what Trent
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  Speaker 1: Brown's saying, you know, like you have families. You want
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  Speaker 1: to know when you can have your time off your
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  Speaker 1: wife for significant others at home, and she's wondering, you know,
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  Speaker 1: how can I plan this stuff? And you just don't
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  Speaker 1: have any answers, And it's frustrating. It makes a difficult
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  Speaker 1: job even more difficult for no reason. Yeah, for no reason.
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  Speaker 2: And we're kind of collateral damage here, like we're under
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  Speaker 2: the same guidelines. We don't know, like, you know, hey,
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  Speaker 2: oh luck room is going to be at this time
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  Speaker 2: when when you were supposed to pick up your kid
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  Speaker 2: or you know, those kind of things. It's like, oh rap.
• 8:42
  Speaker 1: You know, when you're winning, that stuff is fine, but
• 8:45
  Speaker 1: when you're not, that becomes really bad. And you know,
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  Speaker 1: the forty nine is, for example, the exact opposite like
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  Speaker 1: they're famous for, like sending flowers to the wives, having
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  Speaker 1: dinners where families can come to the facility when they
• 8:59
  Speaker 1: know they're gonna work late and at least they can
• 9:01
  Speaker 1: get some time in and have dinner with everybody. They
• 9:06
  Speaker 1: take that into consideration. They they're acknowledging this is tough.
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  Speaker 1: It's a sacrifice for everyone. We're gonna do what we
• 9:13
  Speaker 1: can to make it a little bit better. Bill doesn't
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  Speaker 1: think that way. You know, he doesn't think that way.
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  Speaker 2: No, I mean, I'm sure same conversations like so, what's
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  Speaker 2: your schedule tomorrow? Just I'm waiting.
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  Speaker 11: I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's seven o'clock, what like tomorrow?
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  Speaker 1: What are you doing?
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  Speaker 7: I don't know?
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  Speaker 5: And I think that stuff is important, And we talked
• 9:29
  Speaker 5: about that a little bit in the off season when
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  Speaker 5: those reports came out about the player surveys and whatnot.
• 9:34
  Speaker 5: Then the Patriots didn't farewell and some of those kinds
• 9:36
  Speaker 5: of things that Fred's talking about. But I look at
• 9:39
  Speaker 5: it more just pure football with what we're talking, Like
• 9:43
  Speaker 5: if you're Kyle Duggar or Josh Uche or you know
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  Speaker 5: someone like you, you're grinding through and you're thinking about,
• 9:50
  Speaker 5: you know, as this season's going on, I'm gonna be
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  Speaker 5: a free They're not gonna resign me like you're thinking,
• 9:54
  Speaker 5: like Ted carrass did absolutely everything that you could possibly want,
• 9:58
  Speaker 5: and a guy he wasn't costing a lot of money,
• 10:00
  Speaker 5: wasn't asking for a lot of money, and they still
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  Speaker 5: let him go over.
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  Speaker 1: A million dollars.
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  Speaker 5: They low balled them over a million bucks. I mean, so, like,
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  Speaker 5: what kind of message does that send? And I'm not
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  Speaker 5: telling you that every guy says, well, forget it. I
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  Speaker 5: don't think that that happens. These guys are going to
• 10:15
  Speaker 5: be free agents. They want to be as marketable as
• 10:17
  Speaker 5: they can when they hit the open market. I just
• 10:21
  Speaker 5: think it's a bad message that it gets sent. And
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  Speaker 5: I'm not surprised to hear even the guy like Trent Brown,
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  Speaker 5: who sort of seems like he's not always on the
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  Speaker 5: on the program, even he is saying like they had
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  Speaker 5: these two guys and they created problems. Like Evan said,
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  Speaker 5: it's like you've smashed another hole in the side of
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  Speaker 5: the boat for no reason.
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  Speaker 1: And think about it. You know, if Carris was still here, yes,
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  Speaker 1: he'd probably be making more money than cole Strange. But
• 10:45
  Speaker 1: in terms of the asset that you had to use
• 10:47
  Speaker 1: to get cole Strange, right, that's more that's more valuable
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  Speaker 1: than what you would be paying Ted Carris right now.
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  Speaker 9: Right, it's a domino effect because now the first round
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  Speaker 9: pick is used on col Strange instead of it being
• 10:59
  Speaker 9: used on Trent McDuffie. And if it's used on Trying McDuffie,
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  Speaker 9: then you don't have to draft Christian Gonzales and like
• 11:04
  Speaker 9: you know, so on and so forth, and that's how
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  Speaker 9: you could create these holes. Can we go back to
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  Speaker 9: the game for a second though, Sure I have a
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  Speaker 9: little thought on the game.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, think away.
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  Speaker 9: Are we sure they wanted to win on Sunday?
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  Speaker 1: I mean when you say we, who do you include
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  Speaker 1: in that we?
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  Speaker 5: The five of us?
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  Speaker 9: Are we sure that the Patriots? We think the Patriots
• 11:33
  Speaker 9: wanted to win.
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  Speaker 1: Sure there's a silver lining and losing, there's no doubt.
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  Speaker 1: But I wanted to win because I wanted to beat
• 11:39
  Speaker 1: the Jets.
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  Speaker 5: But do you think they did? Do you think there
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  Speaker 5: was any potential for a tank.
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  Speaker 1: At the player level? No, at you know, at the
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  Speaker 1: coaching level. I wonder because like, what would they care
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  Speaker 1: about the future if they think they're not part of it.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't think that they. I thought they tried
• 11:58
  Speaker 5: to win, and I think that they try to I
• 12:01
  Speaker 5: think they tried to move the ball and throw it
• 12:03
  Speaker 5: downfield at times, and.
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  Speaker 9: With that on offense, and I'm not saying that they
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  Speaker 9: necessarily intentionally tanked, but defensively that was like a preseason
• 12:13
  Speaker 9: game plan that they put out there defensively, and Devon
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  Speaker 9: Gotcha after the.
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  Speaker 1: Game thinking to do with that in terms of like
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  Speaker 1: how they're like structurally aligning and how they're playing the
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  Speaker 1: run game.
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  Speaker 9: I don't know how the weather would if.
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  Speaker 1: You tell me that there was some guys making business
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  Speaker 1: decisions out there.
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  Speaker 9: When it don't, I don't even know.
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  Speaker 1: I would say there might have been.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I just look at the way that they game
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  Speaker 9: planned and the way that they the lack of adjustments
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  Speaker 9: in game to what the Jets were doing offensively in
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  Speaker 9: the run game. Devon Gotcha told me after the game
• 12:45
  Speaker 9: that he felt like they got out coached, just flat
• 12:47
  Speaker 9: out said that they got out coached and they were
• 12:50
  Speaker 9: running the same outside zone play over and over and
• 12:52
  Speaker 9: over again, and they were running it into the same
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  Speaker 9: fronts with the same fits and they had no adjustments whatsoever.
• 12:58
  Speaker 9: Does that sound like Bill Belichick coach defense to any
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  Speaker 9: of you, Like, I mean yeah, and I just I
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  Speaker 9: look at their game plan defensively, I wouldn't say maybe
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  Speaker 9: preseasons going a little too far. Maybe more like September
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  Speaker 9: extension of the preseason game plan where it's like base fronts,
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  Speaker 9: bass blitzing package, base coverage. We're not doing anything exotic.
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  Speaker 9: There's no wrinkles to the game plan whatsoever. Like you're
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  Speaker 9: in a snowstorm against the Jets and you're putting seven
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  Speaker 9: guys in the box, Like you, what are you worried
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  Speaker 9: about them throw you have split safety? Like what are
• 13:32
  Speaker 9: you worried about them going over the top on you?
• 13:35
  Speaker 9: For you're worried about Trevors go out in a blizzard.
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  Speaker 1: If what you're saying is true, it would have to
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  Speaker 1: come from Bill in terms of, hey, we're just gonna
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  Speaker 1: be vanilla, and why would he do that?
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  Speaker 9: Like what I don't know, Yeah, I don't know. All
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  Speaker 9: I know is is that they ran the same play
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  Speaker 9: and ran for two hundred yards on the same play
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  Speaker 9: over and over.
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  Speaker 5: I mean, I that's a lot of good stuff there.
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  Speaker 5: I just would look at it as like maybe he
• 14:00
  Speaker 5: looked at it and said, we can just line up
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  Speaker 5: and be very safe here and very vanilla. There's no
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  Speaker 5: way they're gonna score any points. And I think he
• 14:06
  Speaker 5: was right. They weren't gonna score any points doing that.
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  Speaker 5: They got the points, let's face at the game. You know,
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  Speaker 5: the game was over when they when they scored the touchdown.
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  Speaker 5: Otherwise you're right there, you know they made They did
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  Speaker 5: throw one ball over the top and set up one
• 14:21
  Speaker 5: of the field goals, and the other field goal was
• 14:22
  Speaker 5: set up by a thirty yard punt that gave him
• 14:24
  Speaker 5: the ball and field goal range. Yeah, you know, so
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  Speaker 5: like it's not like they for all the yards that
• 14:31
  Speaker 5: they piled up, it's not like they really threatened to
• 14:33
  Speaker 5: score at all. And I think that Bill probably also
• 14:35
  Speaker 5: looked at it and sai, Yeah, they're gonna kick a lot
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  Speaker 5: of field goals and you're gonna have a hard time
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  Speaker 5: making them. And to Zerlin's credit, he made them made
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  Speaker 5: three out of four. Yeah, I agree with you, do
• 14:44
  Speaker 5: you know what I mean, Like, I get what you're saying,
• 14:46
  Speaker 5: and I certainly respect what Gotcha had to say to you. Yeah,
• 14:50
  Speaker 5: but I wonder if that's what Bill thought was the
• 14:52
  Speaker 5: best way to win the game, and all.
• 14:53
  Speaker 1: The Patriots had to do was score a couple of touchdowns,
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: and you're you're probably gonna win the game, you know,
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: because it would change the whole dynamic.
• 14:59
  Speaker 5: Off Defensively, they ran, you know, they're trying to move
• 15:02
  Speaker 5: the ball.
• 15:03
  Speaker 9: They ran you know, they went for it on fourth down,
• 15:04
  Speaker 9: as Paul said, they ran a trick play, you know,
• 15:07
  Speaker 9: try to run a double pass to get a ball
• 15:08
  Speaker 9: down the field. But in general, defensively, like they the
• 15:13
  Speaker 9: drive before the fifty yard touchdown, the Jets ran the
• 15:16
  Speaker 9: same exact play and gain eight yards on the same
• 15:19
  Speaker 9: play and then ran it again on the fifty yard touchdown,
• 15:21
  Speaker 9: and the Patriots just tried to play it the same
• 15:23
  Speaker 9: exact way, you know. It just it's very unpatriot like
• 15:26
  Speaker 9: to me to see them come out in such a
• 15:29
  Speaker 9: vanilla look defensively, especially when you know that really the
• 15:33
  Speaker 9: only way you're losing the game is that brist Hall
• 15:35
  Speaker 9: goes off.
• 15:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, and I would say that on that last drive,
• 15:38
  Speaker 5: it's nine to three, you turn the ball back over
• 15:41
  Speaker 5: on the second interception, like you gotta just put ten
• 15:45
  Speaker 5: guys in the box. They're not gonna throw it right,
• 15:46
  Speaker 5: They're just gonna try to run the clock out and
• 15:48
  Speaker 5: get a first down and then to give up a
• 15:50
  Speaker 5: long touchdown run on that. Yeah. Maybe at that point
• 15:54
  Speaker 5: Bill said lose it anyway.
• 15:57
  Speaker 9: I don't know. I just don't that didn't Maybe it's
• 15:59
  Speaker 9: not take thing is the wrong word for it. I
• 16:01
  Speaker 9: just look at the way that they played on defensively
• 16:03
  Speaker 9: and said they weren't really as apathetic as into it
• 16:08
  Speaker 9: as they normally are.
• 16:09
  Speaker 5: So I have a guy who emails me all the time,
• 16:11
  Speaker 5: and I don't know exactly who he is. It's not
• 16:13
  Speaker 5: the email that it comes from is not his real name,
• 16:16
  Speaker 5: so I don't know exactly who it is, but he
• 16:20
  Speaker 5: sends me these detailed things every week down the stretch,
• 16:24
  Speaker 5: you know, chapter and verse. Why he thinks they're tanking
• 16:26
  Speaker 5: and he thinks Bill's in on it, because otherwise why
• 16:29
  Speaker 5: would Bill be doing it? Like Bill knows he's back
• 16:32
  Speaker 5: and they're tanking. And they're doing this, they're doing that,
• 16:35
  Speaker 5: they're doing the other thing, and it doesn't make any Now.
• 16:38
  Speaker 5: I don't agree with it. I don't think. I think
• 16:40
  Speaker 5: some of the things that he says are sort of
• 16:42
  Speaker 5: evidence of tanking. I don't look at the same way.
• 16:45
  Speaker 5: You know, who knows doesn't mean I'm right. Maybe this
• 16:48
  Speaker 5: guy has had it all along.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: I think the weather MUDDI did a little bit too,
• 16:51
  Speaker 2: like just enough to be like, what the hell's going
• 16:53
  Speaker 2: on down there? And it's like that little factor that
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: you can't really quite well. The other thing, too, is.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: Like, did anybody possibly envision the Jets playing a clean game?
• 17:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 17:02
  Speaker 5: Their only turnover was when the moron tried to lateral
• 17:05
  Speaker 5: an interception return.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: And when that happened, all right, here we go.
• 17:08
  Speaker 9: Yeah. You just look at the Buffalo game against Josh Allen,
• 17:12
  Speaker 9: and they they threw everything they had at Josh Allen.
• 17:15
  Speaker 9: You know, they were running all sorts of crazy stuff
• 17:17
  Speaker 9: against Josh Allen. And they come into this game and
• 17:20
  Speaker 9: they're running their base three four with you know, a
• 17:23
  Speaker 9: light neutral boxes and they're only it's a snowstorm and
• 17:26
  Speaker 9: the only way that the Jets are going to move
• 17:28
  Speaker 9: the ball is if Breeshall runs for two hundred yards,
• 17:30
  Speaker 9: that that was the only way they were going to score.
• 17:33
  Speaker 9: And I just I looked at it and was like,
• 17:35
  Speaker 9: this is just not a Bill Belichick, Girod Mayo, Steve Belichick,
• 17:41
  Speaker 9: like we're gonna we have this great game plan. Like
• 17:43
  Speaker 9: after the Bills game, all the defensive players are sitting
• 17:46
  Speaker 9: there saying, you know, our coaches had us really prepared
• 17:48
  Speaker 9: for this game, liked Mayo gets shout outs from Dietrich
• 17:52
  Speaker 9: Wise at the podium and things like that, and in
• 17:54
  Speaker 9: this game, I just this was like, this was not
• 17:58
  Speaker 9: this is your campaign to bring Bill Becker to bring
• 18:02
  Speaker 9: or have Girod be the head coach. I would not
• 18:04
  Speaker 9: show him this film. Okay, That's all I got.
• 18:08
  Speaker 1: Interesting thing any other thoughts on the game at all?
• 18:11
  Speaker 4: Or I just like went in expecting, like okay, like
• 18:14
  Speaker 4: the Jets' best player were expecting them to run the
• 18:17
  Speaker 4: ball a lot, and the Patriots defense has been so
• 18:19
  Speaker 4: stout against the run that I really didn't have much
• 18:21
  Speaker 4: fear right that they weren't going to be able to
• 18:24
  Speaker 4: stop him. Yeah, So I guess it was just I
• 18:27
  Speaker 4: don't know, kind of to Evan's point, it kind of
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: made you think like were they were they really trying
• 18:30
  Speaker 4: because they've just been so good against it, and to
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: force the Jets to throw the ball was going to
• 18:35
  Speaker 4: be tough obviously in that situation. And I don't know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 4: it was weird.
• 18:38
  Speaker 9: Yeah, to not just like have eight nine guys in
• 18:42
  Speaker 9: the box, like to have split safety on the fifty
• 18:45
  Speaker 9: yard touchdown run and then Jabrill Peppers has to come
• 18:47
  Speaker 9: screaming up to try to fit it, and now you're
• 18:50
  Speaker 9: in the snow, so he loses his footing and it
• 18:53
  Speaker 9: just like all those types of things, like I'm just like, well,
• 18:55
  Speaker 9: how is this the plan? Like you really thought Trevor
• 18:57
  Speaker 9: Simeon was gonna go, you know, Tom Brady nine and
• 19:00
  Speaker 9: like bombs away in the snow, like there's no chance,
• 19:03
  Speaker 9: there's no way.
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: I definitely want to expect him like, oh, they're going
• 19:05
  Speaker 4: to try to just run it, but that's dumb to
• 19:07
  Speaker 4: do against the Patriots defense who's been so good against
• 19:10
  Speaker 4: the run.
• 19:10
  Speaker 9: So I don't know it.
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: As a result, they have the third pick. Now there
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: you go, and I don't think it's going to be
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: Michael Pennox.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: I mean, that's what's just funny about Michael Pennock the process.
• 19:23
  Speaker 2: I know it's it's but it's like, you know, last
• 19:25
  Speaker 2: week after everyone was, oh, he's gonna be one of
• 19:28
  Speaker 2: the top ten, and now he's like, like, it's just
• 19:30
  Speaker 2: think the rollers.
• 19:31
  Speaker 5: Am I the only one that just like looks at
• 19:33
  Speaker 5: that stuff and saysn't it's not really like it doesn't
• 19:36
  Speaker 5: really get wildly fluctuated. But based on the last.
• 19:39
  Speaker 2: Two games, well it doesn't fans, right, No, no, but
• 19:43
  Speaker 2: I don't not the scout, you know what I think
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: of that?
• 19:46
  Speaker 9: I actually disagree because the college football Playoff is the
• 19:50
  Speaker 9: best of the best. So this is the closest thing
• 19:52
  Speaker 9: competition wise that he's going to get to playing NFL
• 19:55
  Speaker 9: competition before he gets to the NFL.
• 19:57
  Speaker 11: No.
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: True, you wanted to see what he was going to
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: do against the real a good team with a good defense.
• 20:02
  Speaker 1: But then again, I mean he got his butt kick.
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: You know, I just look at it as I was
• 20:08
  Speaker 1: an honest evaluation.
• 20:09
  Speaker 5: Maybe I'm being incredibly naive, but I think a hell
• 20:13
  Speaker 5: of a lot more of these guys in the NFL
• 20:15
  Speaker 5: than to think, well, across him, you know.
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: We'll see if you can get him in that round.
• 20:21
  Speaker 5: I don't think he puddled. I think you guys are right.
• 20:24
  Speaker 5: I think that he was under a lot of pressure
• 20:26
  Speaker 5: all night. It was it was a little loss. He missed.
• 20:29
  Speaker 5: The fourth down throw that he missed early in the
• 20:31
  Speaker 5: game was huge. Yeah, you know, he had that. They
• 20:34
  Speaker 5: dial up a play and he's wide open and he
• 20:36
  Speaker 5: overthrown through it to the outside. But the thing that
• 20:42
  Speaker 5: makes these difficulties you don't know where he's rated. You
• 20:45
  Speaker 5: don't like like evn't made the point a couple of
• 20:47
  Speaker 5: weeks ago of it takes everybody in the media a
• 20:51
  Speaker 5: little while to catch up to where the league is
• 20:53
  Speaker 5: on where everybody's rated to go. So I don't know.
• 20:56
  Speaker 5: For all I know the league had him going number
• 20:59
  Speaker 5: seven over you know, and everybody else thinks he's like
• 21:03
  Speaker 5: a borderline first round pick. I don't know where the
• 21:07
  Speaker 5: league has him. If the league, I just can't imagine that. Like,
• 21:11
  Speaker 5: to me, it would have had to have been something
• 21:13
  Speaker 5: way different that you saw than that that was just
• 21:18
  Speaker 5: like he didn't play great.
• 21:19
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think the the general consensus from like the
• 21:23
  Speaker 9: reporting that's been out there on it is that the
• 21:25
  Speaker 9: league was definitely lower on him than the media and
• 21:28
  Speaker 9: the public. With shocker like it's usually the case. And
• 21:31
  Speaker 9: I think he was viewed as a guy that had
• 21:33
  Speaker 9: some first round traits but was probably more of like
• 21:37
  Speaker 9: an early second round prospect because of the injuries and
• 21:40
  Speaker 9: because of the history that he has there yea. And
• 21:42
  Speaker 9: I think this game the awards that did exist on
• 21:45
  Speaker 9: film with him, you know, inability to evade pressure, you know,
• 21:49
  Speaker 9: not not the most mobile guy in the pocket, and
• 21:52
  Speaker 9: then also just struggling to throw to the intermediate part
• 21:55
  Speaker 9: of the field, Like he's the bigger problem. Biggest problem
• 21:58
  Speaker 9: I see with him is that he only threw rows fastballs.
• 22:01
  Speaker 9: Like the ball comes out and it's nine nine miles
• 22:03
  Speaker 9: an hour. Whether it's a five yard throw or it's
• 22:06
  Speaker 9: a fifty yard throw, He's throwing the ball the same way.
• 22:08
  Speaker 9: And in this game, Michigan really forced him to like
• 22:11
  Speaker 9: layer throws in there into the middle of the field,
• 22:13
  Speaker 9: and he just doesn't really have a great feel for
• 22:16
  Speaker 9: that part of his game. And NFL throws like those
• 22:19
  Speaker 9: are how you move the ball in the league.
• 22:21
  Speaker 5: I would just like to think that the NFL had
• 22:23
  Speaker 5: that evaluation, right, do you know what I mean? Like
• 22:26
  Speaker 5: not just Devin, Like no, no, no, I'm saying that's fair
• 22:30
  Speaker 5: because he Uh, because listen, we've talked last week. You know,
• 22:34
  Speaker 5: Eldrid has been talking about how well he runs, and
• 22:36
  Speaker 5: I keep saying he clearly is not a great runner,
• 22:39
  Speaker 5: Like you don't have these numbers if you're a great runner.
• 22:43
  Speaker 5: I would argue that McCarthy's a better runner than Pennix.
• 22:46
  Speaker 1: Carli actually looked really fast last night.
• 22:48
  Speaker 5: He stinks.
• 22:49
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I think he helped himself a little bit.
• 22:51
  Speaker 5: He's he did really good job of handing the ball off.
• 22:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, he's a guy like who just because you win
• 22:57
  Speaker 4: a national championship doesn't mean you need to go top ten.
• 22:59
  Speaker 1: I know.
• 23:00
  Speaker 5: Plus, I think Tannonbomb gave him the kiss of death
• 23:02
  Speaker 5: I saw today. This is the rock solid traffic should
• 23:05
  Speaker 5: be middle of the first round. It's all I need
• 23:07
  Speaker 5: to It's all I need to hear. It's all I
• 23:09
  Speaker 5: need to hear.
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I'm out.
• 23:10
  Speaker 5: I'm out on him because Tannon Bomb's low for life.
• 23:13
  Speaker 9: There's a lot of old school scouts like a Tanner
• 23:16
  Speaker 9: Bomb on Twitter.
• 23:17
  Speaker 5: That's the way quarterbacks should be played, Evan.
• 23:19
  Speaker 9: That that talk about Uh, McCarthy's like he's a winner
• 23:24
  Speaker 9: and he's tough and he's smart, and you know all
• 23:26
  Speaker 9: those types of things, and uh, the league is wised
• 23:30
  Speaker 9: up on a lot of that stuff, I feel like,
• 23:32
  Speaker 9: and now has gotten more, Yeah, gotten more towards the
• 23:36
  Speaker 9: trade side of things versus like let's get the smart
• 23:40
  Speaker 9: winner quarterback, you know like that that.
• 23:42
  Speaker 5: I guess the whole thing, And I know the fans
• 23:45
  Speaker 5: we're all gonna wildly overreact because that's it's fun. That's
• 23:48
  Speaker 5: what we do, you know. But I would like to
• 23:51
  Speaker 5: think that the NFL had an idea of Michael Pennock's
• 23:54
  Speaker 5: skill set before the Texas game and before the Michigan game,
• 23:59
  Speaker 5: and I totally agree that those are wildly different performances.
• 24:03
  Speaker 5: I just feel like I don't think that they changed
• 24:07
  Speaker 5: their mind as drastically as we do.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Who's better JJ McCarthy or Stetson Bennett.
• 24:13
  Speaker 9: McCarthy, Yeah, I think JJ McCarthy. But yeah with Daniel
• 24:17
  Speaker 9: with Pennix, his timing and his accuracy into the middle
• 24:21
  Speaker 9: of the field is was the big knock, along with
• 24:24
  Speaker 9: the ability under pressure to escape pressure and the mobility
• 24:28
  Speaker 9: and that sort of thing, And that's exactly what came
• 24:30
  Speaker 9: out last night against Michigan. So I think that that's
• 24:32
  Speaker 9: what's the most alarming, is like, were these knocks just
• 24:36
  Speaker 9: you know, were they yellow flags.
• 24:38
  Speaker 5: Or were they red flags?
• 24:39
  Speaker 9: In mishicking right in Michigan makes it look like those
• 24:42
  Speaker 9: were Those are real concerns this projection.
• 24:45
  Speaker 5: He was sacked like twelve times all year. Yeah, like
• 24:48
  Speaker 5: that that to me is a concern, ye like, because
• 24:50
  Speaker 5: clearly he didn't have to deal with that very often.
• 24:54
  Speaker 5: You know, it was only sacked once last night. But
• 24:58
  Speaker 5: he clearly is not under the same amount of duress
• 25:01
  Speaker 5: that a lot of other guys are.
• 25:03
  Speaker 9: To be fair, just every quarterback in this class has
• 25:06
  Speaker 9: this game. You know, Jayden Daniels had Florida State, Drake
• 25:09
  Speaker 9: May had NZ State, Caleb Williams had Notre Dame. They
• 25:12
  Speaker 9: were all under siege, ye with a ton of pressure,
• 25:14
  Speaker 9: and they all stunk.
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: Like they're all not that good.
• 25:17
  Speaker 5: That's always a possibility.
• 25:18
  Speaker 9: But every quarter like, every quarterback has a mulligan. It
• 25:21
  Speaker 9: just so happens that his was in the National Championship game.
• 25:23
  Speaker 5: I still like Panics a lot, but he did not
• 25:26
  Speaker 5: play well last night. I can't. That's kind of not
• 25:28
  Speaker 5: going to pretend that what I saw didn't happen.
• 25:30
  Speaker 2: That's how I'm kind of I feel like I've changed
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: a little bit with my draft approach, and right now
• 25:34
  Speaker 2: I feel like one or two of these quarterbacks is
• 25:36
  Speaker 2: going to be good. One or two of them, that's it.
• 25:38
  Speaker 1: Yeah, really, I don't know what two. It's very rare
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: that you have five or six guys and they're all good.
• 25:46
  Speaker 1: That's rare.
• 25:46
  Speaker 5: Oh yeah, that almost never happens.
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's more like one or two.
• 25:50
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I mean top to bottom, like one
• 25:53
  Speaker 2: or two.
• 25:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. All right, eight five to five
• 25:56
  Speaker 1: pasts five hundred is the ACE ticket hot line, web
• 25:58
  Speaker 1: radio at pagris dot com is the email address? What
• 26:01
  Speaker 1: else we got? The coach thing, we got, the Jets game,
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: we got the National championship, and the draft choice for
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: the Patriots coming up? What else opponents we got?
• 26:11
  Speaker 2: We know where we are going back to Chicago, get
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: to see them. Yeah, and then you know, a couple
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: of reports of you know, Puoli and McDaniels like those
• 26:20
  Speaker 2: kind of things being kicked around.
• 26:21
  Speaker 1: That was kind of weird, Like all of a sudden,
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: it's like Bill does his press conference and says, yeah,
• 26:26
  Speaker 1: I'd be willing to do whatever is in the best
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: interests of the team and all all of a sudden,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: Now all these stories about Josh McDaniel's coming back and
• 26:34
  Speaker 1: Poli coming back, get the band together.
• 26:37
  Speaker 5: You know, I just want to say thank you, Fred Kirsh.
• 26:39
  Speaker 5: But just the way you just said that, he says,
• 26:42
  Speaker 5: I'd be willing to do what's in the best interests
• 26:44
  Speaker 5: of the team, which is what he said, right. The
• 26:47
  Speaker 5: only thing that was added to that that you just
• 26:49
  Speaker 5: paraphrased was if we collectively decide it's in the best
• 26:52
  Speaker 5: interest in the team. But everybody has said, well, Bill
• 26:56
  Speaker 5: is he's willing to still is willing to. He conceded,
• 26:58
  Speaker 5: he's willing to to to relinquish that. That's not what
• 27:02
  Speaker 5: he said. It's not what he said. And I think
• 27:06
  Speaker 5: that a lot of people have taken it that way
• 27:07
  Speaker 5: like this was his he's begging, he's begging to stay.
• 27:11
  Speaker 9: Like no, he said that he'd be willing to do
• 27:14
  Speaker 9: collectively what's in the best interesting.
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: I think what he is doing is making it tough.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Correct leverage play for sure. That was a complete leverage play.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: He never mentions his contract. He mentions that he was
• 27:25
  Speaker 1: under contract, that he'd be willing to do whatever. You know,
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I'm a good employee, I'm willing to be here. I'm
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: not disgruntled. So in other words, if you want to
• 27:35
  Speaker 1: get rid of me, you gotta fire me, and that narrative,
• 27:40
  Speaker 1: it'll become one of the Felger facts if that sticks.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: And then if Bill leaves and he'll say, well, I
• 27:44
  Speaker 2: mean he's he was willing to step down. They didn't
• 27:47
  Speaker 2: do that though, like he.
• 27:48
  Speaker 5: Said, I'm willing to yesterday. You know he was.
• 27:51
  Speaker 2: I didn't mean specifically.
• 27:53
  Speaker 5: Our boss was was under fire, Like what are we
• 27:56
  Speaker 5: waiting for? That's just like one day, Mike Jesus.
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: That's what I mean.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: That's what I mean. It's you know, it's just all
• 28:01
  Speaker 2: these things that all of a sudden get construed into
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: being a fact, and now there become examples when you're like,
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: I don't even know if that's true. And I certainly
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: agree one hundred percent with what Paul said, so leverage
• 28:09
  Speaker 2: what he was saying was what he was saying. He
• 28:11
  Speaker 2: wasn't voluntarily saying if they want me to step down,
• 28:14
  Speaker 2: no problem, I'll just coach the team.
• 28:15
  Speaker 5: Earlier in the show, Fred also touched on something else
• 28:19
  Speaker 5: that Bill said yesterday that didn't get really a lot
• 28:22
  Speaker 5: of play, and that was that you know, we have
• 28:24
  Speaker 5: a lot of people that are involved in these decisions
• 28:26
  Speaker 5: and someone has to be the final say. And that's
• 28:29
  Speaker 5: been nice to me. That's me. So he's telling you
• 28:32
  Speaker 5: that I have final say, like I don't know, Like
• 28:37
  Speaker 5: people continue to say, well, you know, Robert Kraft made
• 28:40
  Speaker 5: him do this and this guy made him do that.
• 28:42
  Speaker 5: And he's telling you that we have a lot of
• 28:45
  Speaker 5: people that weigh in on a lot of these decisions
• 28:47
  Speaker 5: and I am the one who has the final say,
• 28:50
  Speaker 5: and people still don't listen to it.
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 28:52
  Speaker 2: Do you think there was anything more about in McDaniel's
• 28:54
  Speaker 2: being here this weekend other than coming to a game
• 28:57
  Speaker 2: in a Blizzard to say goodbye to Matthew Slater.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't rule it out. I don't know. I mean, like,
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: he's around, he needs something to do, right, and he's
• 29:05
  Speaker 1: getting paid, so.
• 29:07
  Speaker 5: He lives here, right?
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: Does he still live here?
• 29:09
  Speaker 1: Does he still live here? Yeah? Okay, so it was
• 29:11
  Speaker 1: a little ride down the roads.
• 29:12
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it was about both Slater and Bill.
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:16
  Speaker 5: I think he recognized that it was quite possibly Bill's
• 29:19
  Speaker 5: last game too. But yeah, Slater's probably the bigger thing.
• 29:24
  Speaker 5: Where was he in the at the game? Do you know,
• 29:26
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 29:26
  Speaker 2: Somebody said I think he went through the VIP gate,
• 29:28
  Speaker 2: whatever that gate is. I'm not sure what's to which
• 29:31
  Speaker 2: gate they were firmed.
• 29:31
  Speaker 5: Do you know where he watched firm Fred, I have
• 29:33
  Speaker 5: no idea.
• 29:34
  Speaker 2: Up in the three hundreds of Probably was he in
• 29:37
  Speaker 2: the stands lays in a suite?
• 29:38
  Speaker 5: I can't imagine, because I can't I know that raider money.
• 29:43
  Speaker 5: Evidently Will was down, you know, in the middle of
• 29:45
  Speaker 5: one of the one hundred. Oh of course he should.
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 29:48
  Speaker 5: They never made it up to myself, I was gonna.
• 29:50
  Speaker 1: Say, because I would imagine Bill has a suite, right Bill, Oh, yes,
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: so he's probably in that one.
• 29:57
  Speaker 2: Maybe, I don't know. I mean Evan, Evan brought it up.
• 30:01
  Speaker 2: It's I mean, it's really hard. I mean, look, nobody really,
• 30:03
  Speaker 2: I think, is going to advocate for this. But it's
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: really hard to see Josh mcdamia's and Bill O'Brien on
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: the same staff trying to make that work like that
• 30:09
  Speaker 2: just seems that seems impossible to me. Yeah, not that
• 30:13
  Speaker 2: I would ever advocate for it, but something would have
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: to give there. I don't have to go unless Josh,
• 30:18
  Speaker 2: like you know, he's getting paid he doesn't care, and
• 30:20
  Speaker 2: he's just the quarterbacks coach.
• 30:22
  Speaker 9: O'Brien's the quarterbacks coach.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: I know, But O'Brien could be a coordinator.
• 30:26
  Speaker 9: And yeah, I mean I just think that there's no
• 30:29
  Speaker 9: like the senior football advisor role is. But then like
• 30:32
  Speaker 9: Joe Judge is technically the assistant head coach, so isn't
• 30:34
  Speaker 9: that kind of the same thing. And I just think
• 30:37
  Speaker 9: there's a lot of cooks in that kitchen, and like,
• 30:38
  Speaker 9: who who's the young quarterback listening to? You know once?
• 30:42
  Speaker 9: And then if he struggled for the first month, and
• 30:44
  Speaker 9: it's going to be why don't we have McDaniel's call plays,
• 30:46
  Speaker 9: you know, Like it's just I think.
• 30:48
  Speaker 1: We should have a staff of all former head coaches,
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: big bat, Patricia, you know, we can have.
• 30:56
  Speaker 9: Judge on the surface though, like it them, the plan
• 31:01
  Speaker 9: being we're gonna beef up personnel, We're going to beef
• 31:04
  Speaker 9: up the coaching staff. We're going to bring back guys
• 31:05
  Speaker 9: with experience that know what they're doing. That that's probably
• 31:08
  Speaker 9: like I would imagine that that's probably his pitch, Bill's pitch,
• 31:12
  Speaker 9: you know, whether it's a guy like Paoli McDaniels, you know,
• 31:15
  Speaker 9: whoever are going to bring the band back together, and
• 31:18
  Speaker 9: we're gonna get the coaching staff back in order, and
• 31:20
  Speaker 9: we're not going to rely on you know, these kids
• 31:22
  Speaker 9: that that haven't been doing it for very long, and
• 31:24
  Speaker 9: we're gonna get you know, veterans back in the room
• 31:26
  Speaker 9: and everything's gonna be fine.
• 31:28
  Speaker 5: Along those lines, something that Tomorrow was talking about last
• 31:30
  Speaker 5: week about you know, sort of having some urgency to
• 31:33
  Speaker 5: make these moves. I saw today common Brisillo is going
• 31:37
  Speaker 5: to be interviewing for the offensive line job for the Giants.
• 31:41
  Speaker 5: Because he's part of the staff with the Raiders. He's
• 31:43
  Speaker 5: kind of in limbo. You know, they don't know exactly
• 31:45
  Speaker 5: what they're gonna do if they're going to retain. Oh,
• 31:48
  Speaker 5: we have news.
• 31:49
  Speaker 9: It's not it's not our breaking news. Mike Rabel fired
• 31:54
  Speaker 9: as the Titans.
• 31:56
  Speaker 1: That's breaking news.
• 31:58
  Speaker 5: Breaks we break it. We wait, wow, someone else to
• 32:01
  Speaker 5: say it and then let you know, that's big news.
• 32:04
  Speaker 5: That is big news.
• 32:05
  Speaker 1: I thought he'd go on his terms, but anyway, go ahead.
• 32:08
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I think just going off with the Paul just said,
• 32:10
  Speaker 4: I think like watching watching the Commanders, like request all
• 32:13
  Speaker 4: these interviews so fast, it's like you don't want to
• 32:15
  Speaker 4: wait until Friday, if you if you are going to
• 32:17
  Speaker 4: do it to get rid of Bill, and then all
• 32:19
  Speaker 4: the interviews have already happened and you're.
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: Still and I think unless unless the persons that you
• 32:24
  Speaker 1: have tagged are still in the playoffs.
• 32:28
  Speaker 9: Right, Well, you can't have an interview yet until it's
• 32:32
  Speaker 9: the division round.
• 32:33
  Speaker 5: Right. You usually go with the division round. You can't
• 32:35
  Speaker 5: have an in person interview until the division round.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: Right.
• 32:38
  Speaker 5: But my point is.
• 32:39
  Speaker 9: We cannot just gloss over this Rabel thing.
• 32:41
  Speaker 5: You can you can still do these kinds of things
• 32:44
  Speaker 5: that Tamara is talking about.
• 32:45
  Speaker 4: You can.
• 32:45
  Speaker 5: You can make requests and yeah and sort of get
• 32:48
  Speaker 5: your ducks in a room.
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 32:49
  Speaker 5: So now, Yeah, the Rable thing I think is huge.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: That's wild.
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: It is huge.
• 32:53
  Speaker 9: Yeah, because I his candidacy here as Bill's successor was
• 32:58
  Speaker 9: always caveated with. They would have to trade for him.
• 33:01
  Speaker 9: Now they wouldn't even have to give up anything to
• 33:03
  Speaker 9: hire him.
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: What if it's a swap again, We've talked about it.
• 33:07
  Speaker 1: Bill has Tennessee roots. He was born in Tennessee.
• 33:10
  Speaker 5: Perfect of Bill, the same team, Yeah, it's the same
• 33:14
  Speaker 5: team he has.
• 33:15
  Speaker 1: He has a lot of roots in Tennessee, a lot
• 33:17
  Speaker 1: of connections in Tennessee. That wouldn't be the worst place
• 33:20
  Speaker 1: for him to go in his mind.
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: I think Rable's the favorite to land here right now.
• 33:26
  Speaker 4: But would you lose?
• 33:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I would screw this, I'm out of it.
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: I'd make I'd say, make the defensive coordinator, make him
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: the official defensive But does he want to be?
• 33:35
  Speaker 1: Would he do?
• 33:36
  Speaker 4: Or do you think he'll leave and go work somewhere
• 33:38
  Speaker 4: like the Giants? Who needs who need a defensive coordinator?
• 33:40
  Speaker 5: That's great, you can retain my services by making me
• 33:42
  Speaker 5: the janitor. But doesn't mean I'm gonna stay.
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: No, that's I mean, that's it's his choice. I mean
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: i'd be, I'd be.
• 33:47
  Speaker 5: I think I think you lose Mayo in that scenario. Now,
• 33:51
  Speaker 5: I'm not telling you that if you think that Rabel's better,
• 33:53
  Speaker 5: but I'm not telling you not to do it because
• 33:56
  Speaker 5: of that. But I think you lose Mayo if you.
• 33:59
  Speaker 5: I kind of would do this.
• 34:00
  Speaker 9: I think that he that Mayo would be open to
• 34:02
  Speaker 9: being the official by titled defensive art, I need.
• 34:06
  Speaker 5: To know a little bit more in terms of what
• 34:08
  Speaker 5: he was told.
• 34:10
  Speaker 9: That's fair. I mean, I guess he could feel burned,
• 34:12
  Speaker 9: but I just feel like at the same time, it's
• 34:15
  Speaker 9: kind of a big leap. We've talked about it for
• 34:17
  Speaker 9: him going to as a linebackers coach co defensive coordinator
• 34:21
  Speaker 9: under Bill Belichick, who's never called plays, has never done
• 34:24
  Speaker 9: it on his own, to now being a head coach
• 34:26
  Speaker 9: year football team. Now at least he has a title
• 34:29
  Speaker 9: to fall back on next year or two years from now,
• 34:32
  Speaker 9: and say, I am the defensive coordinator in New England,
• 34:35
  Speaker 9: I am running it and you know Rabel is more
• 34:37
  Speaker 9: of the CEO now and you know I'm doing it
• 34:39
  Speaker 9: this way.
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: If you bring in if you want, if you if
• 34:42
  Speaker 1: you start looking at Rabel, then the Rooney rule does
• 34:45
  Speaker 1: kick in and you have to interview other people. Yeah,
• 34:50
  Speaker 1: I think if you elevate Mayo, because I looked into this,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: there's a succession clause that the Rooney rule can't get
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: in the way of, you know, internal succession.
• 35:03
  Speaker 5: If it's a minority, no, it doesn't matter. I don't think.
• 35:07
  Speaker 5: I think someone got in trouble for this.
• 35:09
  Speaker 1: Like no, if if the person and here's the caveat,
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: if the person had something written in their contract a
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: year ahead of time, the Rooney rule can't get in
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the way of internal succession. It's not meant to like
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: impede or get in get in the way of continuity
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: on a team. So if the if the person in
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: question has something in their contract like if this happens,
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: you will be you know, then the Rooney rule gets
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: superseded if it's internal from what I understand.
• 35:42
  Speaker 5: So, how does everybody feel about Brabel?
• 35:44
  Speaker 9: Yeah, he's he's got to be the favorite.
• 35:47
  Speaker 12: If we're gonna get to I'm not if we're gonna
• 35:52
  Speaker 12: like I like my Rabel, but if we're gonna go outside,
• 35:56
  Speaker 12: I want an offensive guy.
• 36:00
  Speaker 2: Hire an offensive I hire a new offensive staff.
• 36:03
  Speaker 9: That would be my my thing with Rabel. I think
• 36:06
  Speaker 9: he's a good motivator. I think he's a good like
• 36:08
  Speaker 9: CEO head coach in that respect, and I would assume
• 36:12
  Speaker 9: that he would try to retain as much as the
• 36:13
  Speaker 9: defensive staff as possible to run the defense. What's your
• 36:16
  Speaker 9: pitch on offense? Because the Titans offense has not been
• 36:19
  Speaker 9: very good and it really even in like the Tannehill years,
• 36:23
  Speaker 9: like it was Derrick Henry in play action and like
• 36:25
  Speaker 9: that can't be. It wasn't sustainable.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: And I need to know what are we going to
• 36:29
  Speaker 1: use this number three draft pick? On if we're going
• 36:31
  Speaker 1: to use it on a quarterback, I want a head
• 36:34
  Speaker 1: coach who is a quarterback whisperer, who who will grow
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: up with this guy, who they'll be together, hopefully for
• 36:43
  Speaker 1: the next decade.
• 36:44
  Speaker 5: That would be ideal. I just I love, love, love Rabel.
• 36:47
  Speaker 5: I do I love I love everything. I love everything
• 36:50
  Speaker 5: about him. I'm just looking at his track record and
• 36:52
  Speaker 5: I think, listen, if you're asking me, gun to my head,
• 36:56
  Speaker 5: Rabel Ormeo, I would I would say Rabel just because
• 36:59
  Speaker 5: of the experience. That's it. At least. I don't know
• 37:04
  Speaker 5: if Mayo is capable of putting together an offense. I
• 37:07
  Speaker 5: know Rabel can't. I've watched him for five plus years.
• 37:10
  Speaker 5: I know that they're gonna do exactly what Evan said.
• 37:13
  Speaker 5: They're gonna play it's Bill light, It's they're gonna try
• 37:16
  Speaker 5: to play defense. They're gonna try to keep the score down,
• 37:18
  Speaker 5: and they're gonna try to run the ball. And that
• 37:21
  Speaker 5: will get you some wins because he's a good coach
• 37:23
  Speaker 5: and you'll be able to what did they win six games?
• 37:26
  Speaker 5: I think they stink. He was able to win six
• 37:29
  Speaker 5: games like that'll get you some wins. I just don't
• 37:32
  Speaker 5: think it'll get you where you want to go. Like
• 37:34
  Speaker 5: I think they kind of took everybody by storm when
• 37:37
  Speaker 5: Tannehill had this incredible deal with the Devil in whatever
• 37:41
  Speaker 5: it was nineteen where he was out of his mind
• 37:44
  Speaker 5: down the stretch of that season. He took over like
• 37:46
  Speaker 5: halfway through that year and played the best football of
• 37:49
  Speaker 5: his career by far. Again, it's all depended on that quarterback,
• 37:55
  Speaker 5: and I don't think they have it. Yeah, I just
• 37:57
  Speaker 5: wanted to get to have the quarterback.
• 37:58
  Speaker 9: I wonder too with their roster decisions, like whose decision
• 38:03
  Speaker 9: was it to move on from AJ Brown and draft
• 38:05
  Speaker 9: Traylon Burks because that's.
• 38:07
  Speaker 1: That's that's the that's what people assume. Yeah, but he
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: lost the fight.
• 38:13
  Speaker 9: I would be asking Vrabel straight up like what why
• 38:16
  Speaker 9: why did you guys do that? Because in my mind,
• 38:19
  Speaker 9: like that's such a Patriots move, Like we're not going
• 38:22
  Speaker 9: to pay this proven guy, We're going to draft a
• 38:24
  Speaker 9: guy that's seventy five percent is good of him, that's
• 38:27
  Speaker 9: seventy five percent cheaper, right, and like that that's how
• 38:30
  Speaker 9: you get into this mess. Like the Tannehill season that
• 38:33
  Speaker 9: Paul is talking about, a lot of that was because
• 38:35
  Speaker 9: AJ Brown is really really good at football, and he
• 38:37
  Speaker 9: was just out there making plays, especially off play action
• 38:41
  Speaker 9: where he's just got all this room to run and maneuver,
• 38:43
  Speaker 9: and he was making plays on the.
• 38:44
  Speaker 5: Barrick Henry was you know that much younger, and you know,
• 38:47
  Speaker 5: just right.
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: The best the best argument that Vrabel would have is,
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: you know the Adams family. It's it's like and owners
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: love hearing that.
• 38:56
  Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, he left.
• 39:00
  Speaker 2: I just want to make the pitch du well. I
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: mean he landed with Derrick Henry and he had the
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: best running back in the game. So I mean, are
• 39:07
  Speaker 2: we say, are we faulting him for building an offense
• 39:09
  Speaker 2: around that guy? As much as it echoes what they
• 39:11
  Speaker 2: do here, I mean they had some success with it.
• 39:13
  Speaker 2: They drafted AJ Brown. I mean that's something the Patriots
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: did not do. I hear what you guys are saying,
• 39:19
  Speaker 2: but I also would use you know, what would you
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: say is the most innovative offense in the NFL right now?
• 39:24
  Speaker 2: But who's running like the most unique offense in the NFL?
• 39:26
  Speaker 2: Kyle Baltimore. Well, I mean a lot of people run
• 39:28
  Speaker 2: the Shanahan offensiugh, right, I mean Baltimore. John Harball is
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: not an offensive guy, you know. I mean he showed
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: the foresight to change his offense and to accommodate to
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: the players. So I'm not saying I'm right, but I'm
• 39:38
  Speaker 2: just saying just because the guy's a defensive coach doesn't
• 39:40
  Speaker 2: put him in this bubble that.
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: Maybe how long? How long has Lamar Jackson been Baltimore's
• 39:47
  Speaker 5: quarterback since nineteen? Yeah, eighteen? I think it took him
• 39:51
  Speaker 5: all awful long time to do what he did this
• 39:53
  Speaker 5: year and hire real offensive coaches.
• 39:55
  Speaker 2: Well then you need with Greg Roman though, I mean
• 39:57
  Speaker 2: that was a few years ago.
• 39:58
  Speaker 5: But all they did was run the ball. This is
• 39:59
  Speaker 5: my my point, right, but like anybody can do that,
• 40:03
  Speaker 5: but it took him six years to say we need
• 40:06
  Speaker 5: to do something different with this personnel group, to figure
• 40:10
  Speaker 5: out a way to do it. I don't want to
• 40:11
  Speaker 5: wait that one.
• 40:12
  Speaker 9: And to your point, Paul Todd Monkins now interviewing for
• 40:15
  Speaker 9: head coaching jobs elsewhere, Greg Roman.
• 40:17
  Speaker 5: Was all right.
• 40:18
  Speaker 2: Point was not that they're going to develop he probably was.
• 40:21
  Speaker 2: It was not that they're going to develop a unique offense.
• 40:23
  Speaker 2: The point is that just because a coach isn't an
• 40:25
  Speaker 2: offensive coach doesn't mean that you can't have an innovative
• 40:27
  Speaker 2: offensive side of the ball that's been different. So look,
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: everybody's just gonn be pounding the table for Mike McDaniel's court.
• 40:34
  Speaker 2: And you know, get Wes Welker, you know, like, get
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: these young offensive coordinator guys who have been in the system.
• 40:39
  Speaker 2: That's what the flavor of the month is. That's what
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: everybody's going to say. I don't think it has to
• 40:42
  Speaker 2: be that and it doesn't.
• 40:43
  Speaker 9: Have to be that.
• 40:44
  Speaker 5: Well, and to your point, Mike, I'll play you aside
• 40:46
  Speaker 5: of the street and back you up a little bit.
• 40:48
  Speaker 5: You've seen Jamiko Ryans doing well with a good offensive
• 40:54
  Speaker 5: coordinator in Bobby Sloweck. And you've seen Antonio Pierce another
• 40:57
  Speaker 5: defensive guy. Now, I don't think that's just, but he's
• 41:01
  Speaker 5: done well with the Raiders, So it doesn't have to
• 41:04
  Speaker 5: be what everybody else is doing to have success. I
• 41:06
  Speaker 5: totally agree with you on that. I would ask with
• 41:10
  Speaker 5: Rabel forget about if he's able to get an offensive
• 41:14
  Speaker 5: staff together. Put how do you think in your heart
• 41:16
  Speaker 5: of hearts that you think Mike Rabel wants to try
• 41:19
  Speaker 5: to play.
• 41:20
  Speaker 2: Big, tough football team that wants to beat people up?
• 41:22
  Speaker 5: Right, That's what I'm not interested in Yeah.
• 41:25
  Speaker 9: I just worry. I worry about Fred's thing, because, like
• 41:29
  Speaker 9: Houston's a great example, Tamiko Ryans is a right there
• 41:33
  Speaker 9: coach of the year. Bobby Slowick has been a coordinator
• 41:37
  Speaker 9: for one season with C. J. Stroud and is already
• 41:39
  Speaker 9: getting head coaching interviews. So in a year and two years.
• 41:43
  Speaker 9: The only way that you avoid losing the coordinator every
• 41:46
  Speaker 9: two years to head coaching job if your quarterback is
• 41:49
  Speaker 9: good is if it's somebody who's never getting a head
• 41:51
  Speaker 9: coaching job ever again, Josh McDaniels. I mean, Arthur Smith
• 41:55
  Speaker 9: was in Tennessee when it was good offensively with the Titans,
• 41:59
  Speaker 9: so maybe that would be the guy that he would
• 42:01
  Speaker 9: bring in. But are those those guys. I don't know
• 42:04
  Speaker 9: if Arthur Smith will get another job. He's only failed once.
• 42:06
  Speaker 9: Maybe he will, but Josh McDaniels is probably not getting
• 42:09
  Speaker 9: a third bite at the apple.
• 42:10
  Speaker 13: Well.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: So, but now you're making the case for Josh McDaniels
• 42:14
  Speaker 1: to come back as offensive coordinator, because then Robert Kraft
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: can say, whether it's Gerardmeo or Mike Vrabel, I'll have
• 42:23
  Speaker 1: you back, Josh. But you can't go anywhere for five
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: years at least. Well, that's sad, but but here's the guy,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: here's the guy who you can depend on.
• 42:34
  Speaker 5: But that's not a reason to hire him because he's
• 42:36
  Speaker 5: not going anywhere.
• 42:37
  Speaker 1: Yes it is.
• 42:38
  Speaker 5: Do you think he's good? That's the only thing that
• 42:41
  Speaker 5: should be here. See the best you can get.
• 42:43
  Speaker 1: As an offensive coordinator.
• 42:44
  Speaker 5: Do you think he's the best you can get?
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: I feel as good as anyone.
• 42:47
  Speaker 5: I feel like Huck he's never worked without Brady.
• 42:50
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I was gonna say, I feel like the offense
• 42:51
  Speaker 4: is he did.
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: Pretty good that first year with Mac Jones.
• 42:54
  Speaker 5: They were fine. You know, they were fine.
• 42:57
  Speaker 9: I feel in hindsight there, knowing that Mac had all
• 43:01
  Speaker 9: these lactations, they were pretty good.
• 43:02
  Speaker 5: But I think I just think that it was very
• 43:05
  Speaker 5: circumstantially fortunate that he had the first part of Mac
• 43:09
  Speaker 5: Jones and then you go back and you watch the
• 43:11
  Speaker 5: second half. Is exactly what you got in the last
• 43:13
  Speaker 5: two years.
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: Oh, other team's kind of caught up with.
• 43:15
  Speaker 5: Exactly, and he got the benefit of before they caught up.
• 43:18
  Speaker 1: I don't know. I've heard enough of other people about
• 43:21
  Speaker 1: talking about Josh that.
• 43:23
  Speaker 5: Well, you know, some of the records that the Patriots
• 43:25
  Speaker 5: broke in for offensive futility, were like Josh McDaniels led
• 43:29
  Speaker 5: Saint Louis Rams.
• 43:31
  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think Josh McDaniel's a good a good coach,
• 43:33
  Speaker 9: a good coordinator. But they the system stays the same
• 43:37
  Speaker 9: and it gets probably more old school because they probably
• 43:39
  Speaker 9: go back to twenty one with the full back and
• 43:42
  Speaker 9: you know they'll have Yakub Johnson here next year again,
• 43:44
  Speaker 9: and like that's it's what you know, that's kind of
• 43:49
  Speaker 9: kind of in line with Rabel, right, Well.
• 43:51
  Speaker 5: We just like to try to do it different. Yeah,
• 43:53
  Speaker 5: And Mike to you to your point, like, and I
• 43:55
  Speaker 5: don't think you're wrong about Rabel. I like Rabel, probably
• 43:59
  Speaker 5: not as much as you do, but I like Rabel
• 44:02
  Speaker 5: a lot. Yeah, And I do think that he knows
• 44:03
  Speaker 5: how to coach, and I do think he knows how
• 44:05
  Speaker 5: to motivate. I just my personal feeling is just that
• 44:08
  Speaker 5: I feel like he will try to build it in
• 44:11
  Speaker 5: a way that I don't think you can go where
• 44:12
  Speaker 5: you want to go. You can win games, and I
• 44:15
  Speaker 5: think that they would win games. So I'm not saying
• 44:17
  Speaker 5: this is what you're saying. It's really not much of
• 44:20
  Speaker 5: an argument because I love Rabel so much.
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: Again, all I'm saying about Josh McDaniels is that Craft
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: could be confident that he isn't going anywhere, no one's
• 44:31
  Speaker 1: giving him a head coaching jobs. So then I can
• 44:34
  Speaker 1: bring in a guy like Rabel because he doesn't have
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: to worry about the offense and he doesn't have to
• 44:39
  Speaker 1: worry about his coordinator leaving.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: The thing that I'm struggling with this same thing is
• 44:43
  Speaker 2: I feel like this puts the cart in front of
• 44:45
  Speaker 2: the horse. This assumes that not only we're going to
• 44:47
  Speaker 2: get a quarterback in an offensive coordinator that are good,
• 44:49
  Speaker 2: but that they're going to have a ton of success
• 44:52
  Speaker 2: and that it's going to be so good that someone's
• 44:53
  Speaker 2: going to want to plug him. Like I like, that's great,
• 44:56
  Speaker 2: But I can't just assume, like I have to hire
• 44:59
  Speaker 2: from a point of we have to put the best
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: that and you know, if it is successful, Okay, that's
• 45:02
  Speaker 2: going to happen to every team. They're gonna get picked.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: But you know, to to try to make this higher
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: with saying we have to ensure like what if the
• 45:10
  Speaker 2: guy sucks, you know, you can't go here for five years? Well,
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: what if he sucks and he has to stay here
• 45:13
  Speaker 2: for five years? You don't know, you don't know.
• 45:16
  Speaker 1: And now you're making the case for hiring a head
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: coach who was also offensive. Mind. No, I don't care
• 45:22
  Speaker 1: about that.
• 45:23
  Speaker 2: I feel like you have a coach that's flexible and
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: can look the other other offensive people exist. Like they
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: changed coordinators with Lamar. They tweaked it a little bit.
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: It didn't work, but you know, you just have to
• 45:33
  Speaker 2: show an openness. And I think the problem is is
• 45:35
  Speaker 2: that when you're we're kind of used to being closed
• 45:37
  Speaker 2: minded with the coaching staff, that it can only be
• 45:39
  Speaker 2: three different guys that have all been the offensive coordinator
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: before that. If you haven't a coach that is a.
• 45:44
  Speaker 1: Little bit more wrong with that.
• 45:47
  Speaker 2: You know, you can, you can make moves, and if
• 45:48
  Speaker 2: it is that great of a program that you've established,
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: you're gonna say, great, now we're going to give our
• 45:52
  Speaker 2: quarterbacks coach.
• 45:53
  Speaker 5: And maybe ask like one thing you know about all
• 45:57
  Speaker 5: of this that's bothering me the most. It's the last
• 45:59
  Speaker 5: thing that my I just said, like, we can't even
• 46:01
  Speaker 5: talk about a guy for the GM who's never like
• 46:06
  Speaker 5: cross pass with Foxborough. And I just think that you're
• 46:08
  Speaker 5: so limiting yourself by not looking looking at all options,
• 46:12
  Speaker 5: and at least with Rabel. He hasn't coached here before.
• 46:17
  Speaker 5: But every single guy who's been brought up has either
• 46:22
  Speaker 5: coached here in the past or been part of the
• 46:24
  Speaker 5: personnel department in the past. And I just have to
• 46:26
  Speaker 5: think there are more ways to do this than just
• 46:28
  Speaker 5: with guys that you.
• 46:30
  Speaker 1: And people say is not really under the Belichick tree.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: He played enough under Belichick that his coaching style got influence.
• 46:38
  Speaker 5: And that's why he's to me, I would just keep Bill.
• 46:41
  Speaker 2: He's enough of the Patriots, but he's not, like I
• 46:43
  Speaker 2: feel like Frabel is not going to try to be
• 46:45
  Speaker 2: Bill verbel is just going to be Rabel, the same guy.
• 46:48
  Speaker 1: Know that he's his.
• 46:49
  Speaker 5: Own man here, so's he would give it.
• 46:53
  Speaker 2: He's got a little of that Patriots, you know, shine
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: on him that we all you know, we all saw why.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: But it's not the he's just been sitting in here
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: doing it Bill's way the whole time. Certainly that influenced him,
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: but what's wrong with that. I mean, we all think
• 47:04
  Speaker 2: Bill's a great coach. I mean, so he's he's had
• 47:06
  Speaker 2: a chance to work with different people. I mean, I
• 47:09
  Speaker 2: just I'm I'm open to it. I think I think
• 47:11
  Speaker 2: to me him with Mayo gets promoted to the DC.
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: Keep that de defensive continuity. Those guys had some crossover,
• 47:17
  Speaker 2: and then you really have to think about the offensive
• 47:20
  Speaker 2: side of the ball and put it, probably a new
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: staff into place. I would I would listen to arguments
• 47:24
  Speaker 2: for let Bill O'Brien cleanhouse and redo it his way.
• 47:27
  Speaker 2: I might even listen to McDonald and daniels on that.
• 47:28
  Speaker 2: My preference would be to have an all new offensive staff.
• 47:31
  Speaker 9: Well, I mean, I agree with you a lot of
• 47:34
  Speaker 9: your points, Mike, And I think the big thing too
• 47:36
  Speaker 9: with Rabel, along with the film, familiarity with the organization,
• 47:40
  Speaker 9: with the fan base.
• 47:41
  Speaker 5: He's been a head coach.
• 47:42
  Speaker 9: Before for years now, and I think that the succession
• 47:46
  Speaker 9: from Belichick, it's just a little bit cleaner to have
• 47:50
  Speaker 9: somebody that's been in the chair before than to have
• 47:52
  Speaker 9: a girod Mayo or a Ben Johnson or somebody like
• 47:55
  Speaker 9: that that's just never done it before. That's a difficult
• 47:58
  Speaker 9: situation to step into it as a brand new head
• 48:01
  Speaker 9: coach is you're replacing Bill Belichick. And to your point,
• 48:04
  Speaker 9: Rabel's you know, I sometimes call it ego, but his
• 48:07
  Speaker 9: personality is so he's so like comfortable in his own
• 48:12
  Speaker 9: skin that I don't think he's going to be rattled
• 48:14
  Speaker 9: by the fact that he's Bill's successor. I don't think
• 48:16
  Speaker 9: that's going to matter to him. And I think the
• 48:18
  Speaker 9: last thing, he's only forty eight years old, so you
• 48:22
  Speaker 9: know that, I think Bill's age is a really big
• 48:24
  Speaker 9: factor in all of this. He's seventy one years old.
• 48:27
  Speaker 9: You're drafting a quarterback you think get third overall that
• 48:30
  Speaker 9: you're hoping is going to be the quarterback for the
• 48:32
  Speaker 9: next ten years. How long is Bill Belichick going to
• 48:35
  Speaker 9: coach that quarterback for That's my thing. Whereas with Rabel
• 48:38
  Speaker 9: he could coach that quarterback for the next ten years
• 48:41
  Speaker 9: if all goes well. So there's a lot of good arguments.
• 48:44
  Speaker 9: I think Arthur Smith is a good offensive coach too,
• 48:46
  Speaker 9: that has worked with him in the past. Like I mentioned,
• 48:48
  Speaker 9: Oh maybe maybe he's he just got fired by the Falcons.
• 48:52
  Speaker 9: Maybe he's somebody that comes on the staff or maybe
• 48:54
  Speaker 9: even is the offensive coordinator, And that is different that
• 48:58
  Speaker 9: Arthur Smith is more from the West Coast tree and
• 49:00
  Speaker 9: does run things differently offensively. So I think that there
• 49:05
  Speaker 9: are some different things that you would get from Vrable
• 49:07
  Speaker 9: and I'm not totally out on it. I would probably
• 49:10
  Speaker 9: prefer Fred's route of the offensive minded guy. But for
• 49:14
  Speaker 9: the Crafts, I can see why this would just be
• 49:16
  Speaker 9: a home run higher to them.
• 49:18
  Speaker 2: All right, it's the same pattern two of what Pete
• 49:19
  Speaker 2: Carroll was, of what Bill was. Guy who's coached before,
• 49:23
  Speaker 2: has some cachet, same kind of packs.
• 49:25
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• 49:27
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  Speaker 8: What's up, everybody, Maddie here. Bill Belichick spoke with the
• 50:18
  Speaker 8: media yesterday. Let's have a listen to what he had
• 50:21
  Speaker 8: to say.
• 50:22
  Speaker 15: All right, thank you, well kind of followed a couple
• 50:26
  Speaker 15: of things from yesterday. You know, as I said, it
• 50:30
  Speaker 15: was obviously very disappointing season all the way around, players, coaches, staff, organization.
• 50:38
  Speaker 11: You know, everybody's not.
• 50:40
  Speaker 15: Not anywhere close to what our standard and expectations are.
• 50:44
  Speaker 11: So obviously things that need to be fixed.
• 50:51
  Speaker 15: Proud of the way the players in the team competed,
• 50:55
  Speaker 15: but not not the results obviously from any of us,
• 50:59
  Speaker 15: you know, start with me, and you know all the
• 51:01
  Speaker 15: way down to everybody else that was involved in I
• 51:05
  Speaker 15: know we all feel the same way. So I'm in
• 51:10
  Speaker 15: a contract. Do what I always do, which is, you know,
• 51:13
  Speaker 15: every day I come in work as hard as I
• 51:16
  Speaker 15: can to help the team in whatever way I can.
• 51:19
  Speaker 11: And so that's what I'm gonna continue to do. And
• 51:25
  Speaker 11: you know, today was kind of the wrap up date
• 51:28
  Speaker 11: for us with the players. We'll have a meeting with.
• 51:31
  Speaker 15: Them and and and then go from there. So as
• 51:35
  Speaker 15: far as any you know, decisions or direction or anything
• 51:38
  Speaker 15: like that for next year, is you know, way too
• 51:40
  Speaker 15: early for that end of the year processes. You know,
• 51:44
  Speaker 15: I don't think we'll be fundamentally any different from a
• 51:51
  Speaker 15: you know, the standpoint of how it's done. The decisions,
• 51:55
  Speaker 15: that's a whole nother conversation, but how it's done, you know,
• 52:00
  Speaker 15: meet with Robert like I always do, meet with the staff,
• 52:05
  Speaker 15: meet personnel department, kind of recap the season, look at
• 52:09
  Speaker 15: the big picture, and then look at some of the
• 52:11
  Speaker 15: individual situations that are you know, looming one way or another.
• 52:18
  Speaker 15: So but that's you know, obviously a long a long
• 52:22
  Speaker 15: way off.
• 52:23
  Speaker 11: From where we are right now.
• 52:25
  Speaker 15: And so we'll start, you know, at the end of
• 52:28
  Speaker 15: the day putting the pieces back together in terms of
• 52:31
  Speaker 15: you know, setting things up to go through a you know,
• 52:34
  Speaker 15: a good detailed analysis and to kind of, you know,
• 52:41
  Speaker 15: start a reconstruction if you will.
• 52:48
  Speaker 13: We have more hands raised than we're gonna have time
• 52:50
  Speaker 13: for questions. I'm gonna ask everyone to just ask one question.
• 52:53
  Speaker 16: We'll move on to the next.
• 52:54
  Speaker 13: If we get through the cycle here, we'll go back
• 52:56
  Speaker 13: to you. But in all, like Peohood, we won't get
• 52:58
  Speaker 13: all the recood this start, and i'd ask you to
• 53:01
  Speaker 13: turn your cameras we ask the question.
• 53:03
  Speaker 16: And I'm gonna start with Mike Reese follow by Andrew Kellinghan.
• 53:07
  Speaker 16: Thank you, Stacy. Good morning Bill. I'm curious how do.
• 53:11
  Speaker 13: You view the Patriots' current culture as established by ownership
• 53:15
  Speaker 13: in terms of setting a coach up to succeed?
• 53:21
  Speaker 15: As I just said, I think we'll evaluate everything and
• 53:25
  Speaker 15: you don't take a course at we feel like collective lay.
• 53:28
  Speaker 15: I'll put this on the best half of success.
• 53:35
  Speaker 16: Next question, Andrew Callahan, followed by Chris Lane. Great, good morning, Bill.
• 53:39
  Speaker 16: You've mentioned your meeting with Robert Craft.
• 53:42
  Speaker 11: When is that schedule for.
• 53:45
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I'll leave all that out, Andrew. We you know,
• 53:49
  Speaker 15: might might be a series of means.
• 53:50
  Speaker 11: I don't know. We'll deal with that internally.
• 53:58
  Speaker 13: Go to Chris Ryan, followed by Damn Robot. Obviously two
• 54:03
  Speaker 13: years ago this was a playoff team and appeared to
• 54:05
  Speaker 13: be you know, ascending in your view, How did the
• 54:09
  Speaker 13: franchise you know, get to this point.
• 54:11
  Speaker 16: And what are the deficiencies that you're looking.
• 54:14
  Speaker 17: At initially to to clean up heading into next season?
• 54:19
  Speaker 15: All right, well that's what I just talked about, Chris.
• 54:21
  Speaker 15: We'll you know, take a little at everything both, yeah,
• 54:26
  Speaker 15: the current situation, the current year, and and if there's
• 54:29
  Speaker 15: a trend or you know, whatever we feel like we
• 54:31
  Speaker 15: can do uh collectively as an organization. Again, it's the
• 54:35
  Speaker 15: same thing we've always done, just organizationally, figure out where
• 54:39
  Speaker 15: we're going, what's our best best path to get there,
• 54:41
  Speaker 15: and you know, look at the previous results, which obviously
• 54:45
  Speaker 15: this year weren't very good, and you know, to charter
• 54:50
  Speaker 15: charter course to end.
• 54:52
  Speaker 11: Of the future.
• 54:54
  Speaker 16: Thank you, Damn Moach. Followed by Josh Brogueu, Good morning.
• 55:00
  Speaker 13: Go.
• 55:02
  Speaker 16: Just a thought on.
• 55:03
  Speaker 18: What you were saying is how much you know one
• 55:06
  Speaker 18: day after the season, but how much do you want
• 55:08
  Speaker 18: to be here to fix this? And you often talk
• 55:11
  Speaker 18: about your passion for coaching still being there, how much
• 55:14
  Speaker 18: does that all factor into you just you know want
• 55:16
  Speaker 18: to get this right here in New England after the
• 55:18
  Speaker 18: year that you guys just had.
• 55:21
  Speaker 15: Yeah, well, Dan, I just open with that, and I'm
• 55:23
  Speaker 15: gonna do everything I can every day to do the
• 55:26
  Speaker 15: best I can to help our football team. That's what
• 55:28
  Speaker 15: I've always done. It's never been any different from me
• 55:31
  Speaker 15: in my career. Learned that lesson from my dad growing up.
• 55:37
  Speaker 15: You work for the team that you're working for and
• 55:38
  Speaker 15: do the best you can for till somebody tells you different.
• 55:42
  Speaker 15: So that's not gonna change.
• 55:46
  Speaker 13: Josh broken here called by Doug Kind. Josh are there,
• 56:01
  Speaker 13: you can hear me?
• 56:02
  Speaker 17: Okay, Bill, good morning, Wondering if you've given any serious
• 56:06
  Speaker 17: thoughts of relinquishing the personnel, maybe some of the draft
• 56:09
  Speaker 17: responsibilities and coaching the team that you were saying yesterday
• 56:12
  Speaker 17: is something you still really want to do.
• 56:16
  Speaker 11: Yeah, I'm looking for whatever.
• 56:19
  Speaker 15: You know, collectively, we decide as an organization is the
• 56:21
  Speaker 15: best thing to help our football team.
• 56:24
  Speaker 11: And you know, I have multiple roles.
• 56:27
  Speaker 15: In that, and I've rely on a lot of people
• 56:29
  Speaker 15: to help me in those uh, in those responsibilities.
• 56:32
  Speaker 11: If somebody's got out of the.
• 56:33
  Speaker 15: Final, say, I have I rely on a lot of
• 56:35
  Speaker 15: other people to help and you know, however that whatever
• 56:41
  Speaker 15: that process is, you know, I'm only part of it.
• 56:47
  Speaker 16: Thank you, Hied followed by the Code Raina Morrin Bill.
• 56:52
  Speaker 19: Have you received any indication from ownership that your future
• 56:55
  Speaker 19: as head coaches up.
• 56:56
  Speaker 5: In the air?
• 56:58
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 56:59
  Speaker 15: I told you on I'm here to work as hard
• 57:01
  Speaker 15: as I can have our team every day. That's what
• 57:02
  Speaker 15: I'm gonna do.
• 57:07
  Speaker 13: The cod Renal Fall by Zach Coxy Hey Bill.
• 57:12
  Speaker 19: With the season now over, I'm just wondering if you
• 57:14
  Speaker 19: could offer an updated assessment of Mac Jones and whether
• 57:19
  Speaker 19: you know you think he can be a starting quarterback
• 57:22
  Speaker 19: in this league.
• 57:24
  Speaker 11: Yeah. As I said, we'll go through, you know, our
• 57:26
  Speaker 11: off season evaluations and all that. Right now.
• 57:30
  Speaker 15: You know, it's less than twenty four hours after the
• 57:33
  Speaker 15: Jets came, and that's where all my focus was up
• 57:36
  Speaker 15: until four o'clock.
• 57:38
  Speaker 16: Yesterday, like cox All by Tyler Barronsky Morning Belt.
• 57:48
  Speaker 9: Now that the season is over, do you have any
• 57:52
  Speaker 9: regrets about the way you assembled this team or do
• 57:55
  Speaker 9: you think the struggles were more due to injuries and
• 57:57
  Speaker 9: bad breaks and things like that.
• 58:01
  Speaker 15: I think we have some things that we can build on.
• 58:03
  Speaker 15: I think there's some things that we need to to
• 58:06
  Speaker 15: fix and change.
• 58:12
  Speaker 16: Patter Bronski, followed by Mark Daniels and Bill. When players
• 58:18
  Speaker 16: reflect on playing for you this season after a coupy're
• 58:22
  Speaker 16: all around, What do you hope they say about you?
• 58:29
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 58:31
  Speaker 15: Well, I mean, look, we're all disappointed in the season,
• 58:33
  Speaker 15: So that's you know, I already talked about that. Yeah,
• 58:36
  Speaker 15: As I said, every day i've come to work here
• 58:39
  Speaker 15: and everywhere else else I've worked. I've done the best
• 58:42
  Speaker 15: that I could each each and every day to help
• 58:44
  Speaker 15: our football team.
• 58:45
  Speaker 11: So that's what I've done.
• 58:50
  Speaker 16: Mark Daniels, followed by Kieren Gredient, Good morning Bill.
• 58:54
  Speaker 20: In the event you are no longer the coach of
• 58:57
  Speaker 20: the Patriots, would you be interested in coaching for another team?
• 59:00
  Speaker 11: In one Yeah, I'm not gonna get in a lot
• 59:02
  Speaker 11: of hypothetical situations.
• 59:07
  Speaker 16: And Greg followed by Ben Voln, Good morning Bill.
• 59:13
  Speaker 3: Would it surprise you in any way if Robert Kraft
• 59:18
  Speaker 3: decided that moving on from you would be best for
• 59:22
  Speaker 3: the football team.
• 59:25
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I'm gonna focus on what I am going to
• 59:27
  Speaker 15: control and focus on, and that's, you know, my work
• 59:30
  Speaker 15: at the Ethic and my effort to do what I
• 59:33
  Speaker 15: can to help the Patriots organization. Which I'm heavily invested in.
• 59:39
  Speaker 13: Thank you bet again in these last four questions, and
• 59:42
  Speaker 13: give everybody a chance to ask one. So it's Ben
• 59:44
  Speaker 13: Bollen Still Perry.
• 59:47
  Speaker 5: Morning Bell.
• 59:49
  Speaker 16: Your handling of mac Jones this year was pretty unusual.
• 59:53
  Speaker 18: He got benched four times and still started the next
• 59:56
  Speaker 18: week three of them, and then yesterday he was made
• 59:59
  Speaker 18: the third string quarter.
• 1:00:00
  Speaker 16: I was wondering if you could explain just why the
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 16: handling of mac Jones this year? Why was he getting
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 16: his job back, the starting job back so many times?
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 16: Then why was he made third string yesterday?
• 1:00:11
  Speaker 11: Yeah?
• 1:00:13
  Speaker 15: Yeah, I just look, we've talked about it, but I
• 1:00:15
  Speaker 15: wouldn't characterize it anywhere close to the way you have.
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 11: Uh, we've covered that before, so we'll deal with everything
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 11: else going forward.
• 1:00:28
  Speaker 16: Harry, followed by Duke christ Grew. So are you there?
• 1:00:43
  Speaker 16: I'm back to field, Dukes to Grin, followed by Michael Brewley.
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 16: Good morning Bell.
• 1:00:49
  Speaker 13: Just to follow up on that personnel question, if Robert
• 1:00:52
  Speaker 13: came to you and said I just want you to
• 1:00:54
  Speaker 13: coach the football team, would you.
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 16: Be okay with that?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah?
• 1:00:59
  Speaker 11: I just answered question, dude.
• 1:01:05
  Speaker 16: You know, Michael Hurley, and then give Phil Perry another chance. Yeah, Bill,
• 1:01:09
  Speaker 16: I know you're something similar. But when you go back
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  Speaker 16: to April May June, heading toward cham camp, did you.
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  Speaker 19: Think this team, as constructed with the roster and the
• 1:01:17
  Speaker 19: coaching staff, was built to contend for a playoff spot
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  Speaker 19: and maybe a championship.
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  Speaker 11: Yeah.
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  Speaker 15: Well, the moves that we made, you know, given the
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 15: options that we had, felt like we do it was
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  Speaker 15: best for the football team each time. Obviously the results
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 15: aren't aren't good. Some of those things were I think positive.
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  Speaker 15: Some of them didn't work out as well as we
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  Speaker 15: hope they would know, And there are other circumstances and
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  Speaker 15: in some of the other decisions as well.
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  Speaker 11: So we'll go back and look at all of them and.
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  Speaker 15: You know, and again look forward to you know, working
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  Speaker 15: towards a you know, solutions and things that don't prove
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  Speaker 15: our team.
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  Speaker 16: Bill Perry, check your audio again.
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  Speaker 11: If you can hear me.
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  Speaker 20: Now, Bill, come on, nicholest we've got yet.
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  Speaker 11: Well, I just wanted to clarify something with you.
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  Speaker 20: There's been a lot of reporting that that you and
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 20: Robert have not met during the course of the season.
• 1:02:23
  Speaker 16: Is that true?
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  Speaker 20: Is it just that you haven't met to talk about
• 1:02:26
  Speaker 20: your future? How frequently Aret. Have you guys been in
• 1:02:28
  Speaker 20: communication over the course of this season. We've met there
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 20: in the season, and have they given the public nature
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 20: of the discussion around the team and you specifically.
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  Speaker 11: So the follow up today, don't understand what's a answity question.
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  Speaker 20: I'm just wondering if he's given you any indications about
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  Speaker 20: your future because there's been so much discussion about it.
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  Speaker 11: Bill, Yeah, I'd answered that question three times.
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  Speaker 16: Still, thanks everyone.
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  Speaker 5: I don't think he was out.
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  Speaker 1: He was writing a book, and uh, you know, I
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  Speaker 1: was as the Norse as the night progressed, like a
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  Speaker 1: different article of clothing would come off by the end
• 1:03:39
  Speaker 1: of the night is undershirt. I swear to god, he's sweating,
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  Speaker 1: just trying to get everything done. It was like, thanks
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  Speaker 5: Brian exaggerates a lot of things about me, he is
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  Speaker 5: not exaggerated.
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  Speaker 1: dot com is the email address. We did have breaking
• 1:04:30
  Speaker 1: news during the show. It was Mike Frable being fired
• 1:04:34
  Speaker 1: from the Tennessee Titans, and of course, like any other
• 1:04:37
  Speaker 1: free agent that comes in the market, Patriots fans immediately
• 1:04:40
  Speaker 1: say Patriot, Yeah, he's gonna be on this team.
• 1:04:43
  Speaker 2: I'm curious what the overall centimon is from the fan base,
• 1:04:46
  Speaker 2: especially those who maybe you know, weren't as invested in
• 1:04:49
  Speaker 2: A one oh three, oh four those early years when
• 1:04:52
  Speaker 2: really Mike Frabele made his You know, we have a
• 1:04:54
  Speaker 2: special place for him, But I wonder how a lot
• 1:04:57
  Speaker 2: of the twenty tens fans feel like that.
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  Speaker 5: All Patriots fans have been on board since Week three
• 1:05:02
  Speaker 5: of two thousand and one. Oh right, Like that's.
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  Speaker 9: Well, but speaking of you know truthfully though, because I
• 1:05:09
  Speaker 9: won't tell you how old I was when they won
• 1:05:11
  Speaker 9: back then, but I was not very old, right, So, like,
• 1:05:13
  Speaker 9: really I identify with the twenty tens teams, you know, Gronkowski, Edelman.
• 1:05:17
  Speaker 9: Obviously Brady was bold, but I Vrabel. To me, it
• 1:05:23
  Speaker 9: was all about leadership, right, Like I didn't really know
• 1:05:26
  Speaker 9: enough about football to know like what he was good
• 1:05:28
  Speaker 9: at it, football wise, but he was always one of
• 1:05:31
  Speaker 9: those like no nonsense, like locker room police like type
• 1:05:35
  Speaker 9: of guys that, like you just felt like the locker
• 1:05:38
  Speaker 9: room was gonna never be out of hand with guys
• 1:05:41
  Speaker 9: like Rabel and guys like McGuinness and guys like Harrison,
• 1:05:44
  Speaker 9: like Bruski, you know, in that locker room. And I
• 1:05:47
  Speaker 9: feel like that that's how he kind of coaches too,
• 1:05:49
  Speaker 9: where even if they're not a very good team like
• 1:05:51
  Speaker 9: this year, at least they they they're doing the right
• 1:05:55
  Speaker 9: things as an organization with him.
• 1:05:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, let's get to the phones, get every
• 1:06:00
  Speaker 1: buddy involved here. Patty's an Agua. What's up, Patty, Guys, I'll.
• 1:06:05
  Speaker 22: Make it quick because I know my ban's loud, fred
• 1:06:08
  Speaker 22: real quickly. I already didn't want to honor that lifetime
• 1:06:11
  Speaker 22: contract that a girl that says the music you have
• 1:06:14
  Speaker 22: to offer a lifetime contract. Yeah, And just going to
• 1:06:18
  Speaker 22: what Phil said yesterday in his press conference, I felt
• 1:06:22
  Speaker 22: like he was controlled a little bit, but just kind
• 1:06:25
  Speaker 22: of like what Paully brought up, Like I feel like
• 1:06:27
  Speaker 22: he fired some preemptive tricks across the media at craft
• 1:06:30
  Speaker 22: like I'm under contract and like maybe I'm breathing too
• 1:06:34
  Speaker 22: much into things. But when he says collectively to me,
• 1:06:36
  Speaker 22: I think that's why you're seeing some of these retreats,
• 1:06:39
  Speaker 22: like McDaniels should have Cat Gioli's name pop up, like,
• 1:06:42
  Speaker 22: you know what, I'll agree to give up some power,
• 1:06:45
  Speaker 22: but it's gonna be on my terms. And at this
• 1:06:47
  Speaker 22: point still, I think the best position is just to
• 1:06:50
  Speaker 22: move on. And that's all I got. I'll listen to
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 22: the rest of the show off here.
• 1:06:54
  Speaker 1: I think, all right, thanks, Patty. Yeah, I mean there's
• 1:06:57
  Speaker 1: no doubt that what he said was calculate.
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  Speaker 2: Everybody heard the I'm under contract line. I mean that
• 1:07:02
  Speaker 2: was I think the siren to everyone, I mean, anything
• 1:07:04
  Speaker 2: you turned on the radio yesterday, that's what they were
• 1:07:06
  Speaker 2: talking about. It was, you know, certainly by design. I
• 1:07:09
  Speaker 2: mean it's it's yeah, absolutely it was.
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  Speaker 5: It was by design.
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  Speaker 9: But I also thought that it did address the elephant
• 1:07:15
  Speaker 9: in the room right off the top, which is that
• 1:07:17
  Speaker 9: there is a question of whether or not he's going
• 1:07:19
  Speaker 9: to be the head coach here next year.
• 1:07:20
  Speaker 5: Like last year.
• 1:07:22
  Speaker 9: He's not talking about those types of things because there's
• 1:07:24
  Speaker 9: no doubt that he's going to be the head coach,
• 1:07:26
  Speaker 9: right And I thought after the game on Sunday, even
• 1:07:28
  Speaker 9: when he said, you know, as for the future, Robert
• 1:07:31
  Speaker 9: and I will will have will meet like we always do,
• 1:07:33
  Speaker 9: and YadA, YadA, YadA, he didn't say that at the
• 1:07:36
  Speaker 9: end of press year press conference last year or two
• 1:07:38
  Speaker 9: years ago, right, Like, it's.
• 1:07:40
  Speaker 5: Just to add a little context that I don't know
• 1:07:43
  Speaker 5: what the timing was exactly, but there's actually a possibility
• 1:07:45
  Speaker 5: that when he had the season ended last year that
• 1:07:49
  Speaker 5: he wasn't under contract. Yeah, I mean, based on some
• 1:07:51
  Speaker 5: of these reports when they added a year, like I
• 1:07:55
  Speaker 5: don't know if he was already under contract orf it
• 1:07:57
  Speaker 5: was a two year extension who knows. I was probably
• 1:08:00
  Speaker 5: already under contract and they added a year to that, right,
• 1:08:04
  Speaker 5: but it's kind of unclear, like because the original Rapperport
• 1:08:09
  Speaker 5: multiple was was multiple years, right, right.
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  Speaker 2: That's I think the first time I ever heard the
• 1:08:12
  Speaker 2: word contract come out of his mouth. That was not
• 1:08:15
  Speaker 2: going to talk about my contract like that, and he
• 1:08:16
  Speaker 2: you know, volunteered it like you've never heard him.
• 1:08:19
  Speaker 9: It was him acknowledging his mortality, that like he could
• 1:08:22
  Speaker 9: that he could be fired, like he couldn't, he might
• 1:08:25
  Speaker 9: not be here. And I thought that that the GM
• 1:08:27
  Speaker 9: comment I kind of agree with with with Paul, that's
• 1:08:30
  Speaker 9: that's not exactly what he said, but that those comments,
• 1:08:33
  Speaker 9: I felt like he just kind of he.
• 1:08:34
  Speaker 5: Was letting you know, I'm under contract.
• 1:08:36
  Speaker 9: I'm going to do what I always do until the
• 1:08:39
  Speaker 9: key card doesn't work anymore.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 17: Right.
• 1:08:40
  Speaker 5: He's he's acknowledging that there's a chance that they're going
• 1:08:43
  Speaker 5: to tap him on the shoulder and say, Okay, you
• 1:08:44
  Speaker 5: don't need to be watching that film with a college
• 1:08:46
  Speaker 5: kid anymore. Right.
• 1:08:47
  Speaker 1: The other thing he said that I thought was interesting,
• 1:08:50
  Speaker 1: He said, you know, we'll have a series of meetings.
• 1:08:53
  Speaker 1: And the way I took that is whatever they're doing.
• 1:08:56
  Speaker 1: It's not going to be settled in one meeting. This
• 1:08:58
  Speaker 1: is going to be complicated.
• 1:09:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, we've but now do.
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  Speaker 4: Is today uncomplicated.
• 1:09:05
  Speaker 1: For for Craft? Maybe?
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  Speaker 9: Yeah?
• 1:09:08
  Speaker 5: Like Rabel?
• 1:09:09
  Speaker 1: Yeah, now that he's you know, I mean I would
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 1: hope not.
• 1:09:12
  Speaker 5: I would hope the Rabel thing has nothing to do
• 1:09:14
  Speaker 5: with it. Like you're not thinking he's gonna like he's
• 1:09:17
  Speaker 5: now he's going to fire him, but he wasn't going
• 1:09:20
  Speaker 5: like I would hope that wouldn't be the case. Like
• 1:09:21
  Speaker 5: I said, I would rather just just keep Bill.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 1:09:25
  Speaker 9: I feel like that the series of meetings are one
• 1:09:28
  Speaker 9: or two things. Either they're mapping out how Bill can stay,
• 1:09:31
  Speaker 9: but we can still have major changes to the organization
• 1:09:34
  Speaker 9: with Bill because there has to be changes, right, Or
• 1:09:37
  Speaker 9: they're mapping out the exit strategy of how we're going
• 1:09:40
  Speaker 9: to present this to the public that you're leaving, And.
• 1:09:42
  Speaker 1: Either way can be complicated.
• 1:09:43
  Speaker 5: Right.
• 1:09:44
  Speaker 1: Yeah, Let's go to Manny in New Bedford. What's up, Manny?
• 1:09:49
  Speaker 23: Hey, what's going on?
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  Speaker 12: Guys?
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  Speaker 7: A few quick things.
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  Speaker 23: One, I'm not really still on uh still.
• 1:09:57
  Speaker 24: Leaving this year.
• 1:09:58
  Speaker 23: I feel like Craft isn't really trying to start all
• 1:10:01
  Speaker 23: over for the second time again. And number two, how
• 1:10:04
  Speaker 23: would you guys feel if Nick Caste was still around
• 1:10:10
  Speaker 23: and he was able to kind of make that final
• 1:10:12
  Speaker 23: say on like player personnel, do you feel like Patriots
• 1:10:15
  Speaker 23: would be kind of like a playoff.
• 1:10:16
  Speaker 24: The tender team.
• 1:10:19
  Speaker 1: Okay, So I think what he's saying is if Nick
• 1:10:22
  Speaker 1: had final say, would the team be better?
• 1:10:24
  Speaker 9: I think Nick drafted Nikhil Harry. So I don't know,
• 1:10:29
  Speaker 9: but just to this was like mini news. So I
• 1:10:32
  Speaker 9: didn't really not frable big. But he went on a
• 1:10:35
  Speaker 9: radio show in Houston and like went like scorched earth
• 1:10:38
  Speaker 9: on the report that he would come back to New England.
• 1:10:40
  Speaker 9: So I don't think Nick Ario is not an option.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 5: I don't.
• 1:10:43
  Speaker 1: It's either why would he leave? But that's don't is
• 1:10:46
  Speaker 1: that what he's saying.
• 1:10:47
  Speaker 5: I'm just saying if he was still here, if he
• 1:10:49
  Speaker 5: was drafting, I still think I credit and blame Bill
• 1:10:55
  Speaker 5: for all of these moves. Yeah, the ones that the
• 1:10:58
  Speaker 5: ones that work, I credit Bill. The ones that don't,
• 1:11:01
  Speaker 5: I blame Bill. I don't pick and choose.
• 1:11:04
  Speaker 2: It's the best way to operate. But I you know,
• 1:11:05
  Speaker 2: but I can't help but think, you know, how much
• 1:11:08
  Speaker 2: does Nick Cassario have how much does Matt grow have
• 1:11:11
  Speaker 2: Like how much are they setting the table for what
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 2: Bill picks?
• 1:11:14
  Speaker 1: You know, like, no question, we blame Bill, like totally point.
• 1:11:18
  Speaker 5: I think Cassio probably had a lot to do with Harry, but.
• 1:11:21
  Speaker 2: They're you know, but it's hard to parse out from
• 1:11:23
  Speaker 2: the outside. But you know, you don't really blame Cassario
• 1:11:26
  Speaker 2: and say I don't want him back because of that
• 1:11:28
  Speaker 2: because it probably was filtered through Bill as well.
• 1:11:30
  Speaker 5: You know, I do think he was part of an
• 1:11:32
  Speaker 5: uninspired series of drafts.
• 1:11:35
  Speaker 2: Same with the last few.
• 1:11:37
  Speaker 1: I know, it's it's you know, further back in terms
• 1:11:41
  Speaker 1: of you know, the draft history of Belichick, but the
• 1:11:44
  Speaker 1: whole Rutgers era. I sincerely doubt these these scouts lined
• 1:11:49
  Speaker 1: up these Rutgers players and said, Bill, you need to
• 1:11:51
  Speaker 1: draft these guys. Right, it was all Bills let down
• 1:11:54
  Speaker 1: here Rutgers.
• 1:11:55
  Speaker 9: Well, I you know, they were always the way I
• 1:11:59
  Speaker 9: feel like it were with the draft with the with
• 1:12:01
  Speaker 9: the front office is like I kind of imagine like
• 1:12:03
  Speaker 9: Douce and I make our big boards and then you
• 1:12:05
  Speaker 9: hand the big boards to Bill and then Bill is
• 1:12:07
  Speaker 9: like I want that guy, and then we're like like
• 1:12:10
  Speaker 9: I kind of like this guy better, and He's like, well,
• 1:12:13
  Speaker 9: I watched all fifty of the guys you told me
• 1:12:15
  Speaker 9: to watch, and I like this guy the best, and
• 1:12:16
  Speaker 9: that's the guy we're taking.
• 1:12:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and like that, while like AJ Brown was on
• 1:12:20
  Speaker 2: the list, I mean example, but you know what I mean,
• 1:12:22
  Speaker 2: like somebody got left off, right.
• 1:12:24
  Speaker 9: But like in twenty nineteen, I had Nikill Harry on
• 1:12:27
  Speaker 9: my big board. I would have taken AJ Brown over
• 1:12:31
  Speaker 9: nik Kill Harry, but I acknowledged the fact that nik
• 1:12:34
  Speaker 9: Kill Harry was a first you know, mid first second
• 1:12:37
  Speaker 9: round guy that was in the that was you know,
• 1:12:39
  Speaker 9: a fit and all that kind of stuff. And they
• 1:12:42
  Speaker 9: I watched it and said, you know, I kind of
• 1:12:44
  Speaker 9: like AJ Brown a little bit better, Deebo Samuel a
• 1:12:47
  Speaker 9: little bit better. And they watched it and said that
• 1:12:49
  Speaker 9: they liked ni Kill Harry and like, at the time,
• 1:12:51
  Speaker 9: you can't kill him for it because they were all
• 1:12:53
  Speaker 9: kind of clustered in that one little area. But now
• 1:12:55
  Speaker 9: in hindsight, it's like, oh, wow, that was a horrible pickky.
• 1:12:58
  Speaker 4: But how do you explain cold strange?
• 1:13:00
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I was gonna say, I'll give you like an
• 1:13:02
  Speaker 5: honest assessment. I didn't. I didn't I didn't hate the
• 1:13:05
  Speaker 5: pick I didn't hate the Harry pick when they made it.
• 1:13:07
  Speaker 5: I didn't hate it.
• 1:13:08
  Speaker 1: No, nobody hated it.
• 1:13:09
  Speaker 5: But and that's where he was projected to go.
• 1:13:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but a lot of people said that then he's
• 1:13:15
  Speaker 1: got separation problems, and that was oh yeah.
• 1:13:18
  Speaker 5: I mean, there would have been other guys I would
• 1:13:19
  Speaker 5: have chosen, But I didn't hate the pick because that's
• 1:13:22
  Speaker 5: where everybody thought he was going to go. But I
• 1:13:24
  Speaker 5: think late first, early second, I think.
• 1:13:25
  Speaker 1: The problem with Bill is that the scouts will say, Okay,
• 1:13:29
  Speaker 1: here are are six tackles, are six tight ends that
• 1:13:33
  Speaker 1: we think are good, and these are the ones you
• 1:13:36
  Speaker 1: should look at Bill, And so he sits down and
• 1:13:38
  Speaker 1: looks at it, but he doesn't stop at like, oh,
• 1:13:40
  Speaker 1: this guy's the best. It's they're all about the same.
• 1:13:44
  Speaker 1: Oh but this guy comes from a program whose coach
• 1:13:47
  Speaker 1: I like will take him absolutely.
• 1:13:49
  Speaker 5: See, but I'll tell you what I'll do.
• 1:13:51
  Speaker 1: The scouts are like pulling the hair out.
• 1:13:52
  Speaker 5: I'll tell you what.
• 1:13:53
  Speaker 1: I'll take rank these guys for you when you're taking
• 1:13:55
  Speaker 1: the sixth rank guy instead of the first round. So
• 1:13:57
  Speaker 1: they're like, yeah, they're close enough.
• 1:14:00
  Speaker 5: The other thing I think that that he does in
• 1:14:02
  Speaker 5: particular and believes strongly, and he's had some success with it,
• 1:14:05
  Speaker 5: is that they'll take that group and he'll and all
• 1:14:08
  Speaker 5: of a sudden the pick will come up in all
• 1:14:10
  Speaker 5: six of them be available. He won't take any of them.
• 1:14:12
  Speaker 5: I'll trade down because now he says, I can get
• 1:14:16
  Speaker 5: the same guy, they're all the same. Why should I
• 1:14:18
  Speaker 5: take him at fifty when I can get him at
• 1:14:19
  Speaker 5: seventy and one of those six will still be available
• 1:14:22
  Speaker 5: in seventy And I just think that's the wrong way
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 5: to go.
• 1:14:24
  Speaker 1: Well, I don't completely disagree with that, if it's true,
• 1:14:27
  Speaker 1: but I think the scouts pull their hair out because
• 1:14:29
  Speaker 1: they don't think that that's no right.
• 1:14:30
  Speaker 5: I know Bill thinks it's true. I know, but recent
• 1:14:34
  Speaker 5: not not that recent anymore. Mike Easy ten years will
• 1:14:38
  Speaker 5: tell you that he hasn't really been right with that.
• 1:14:40
  Speaker 5: I know that strategy, but.
• 1:14:41
  Speaker 1: I think overall, that strategy, to me makes sense. If
• 1:14:45
  Speaker 1: you've got a group of guys that you all think
• 1:14:47
  Speaker 1: are the same, you can get any one of them later,
• 1:14:49
  Speaker 1: it makes sense to pick up more.
• 1:14:51
  Speaker 5: But I think most people would tell you they're never
• 1:14:55
  Speaker 5: the same. Somebody is your favorite, someone's better, someone's better
• 1:14:58
  Speaker 5: than the others.
• 1:14:59
  Speaker 9: Someone is a better and the others. But I think
• 1:15:01
  Speaker 9: that their their issue also too, is just they've drafted
• 1:15:06
  Speaker 9: more on need recently at the top of the draft
• 1:15:09
  Speaker 9: than I think they. I feel like they used to
• 1:15:12
  Speaker 9: like immediate, what's our biggest need on the depth chart? Yeah,
• 1:15:15
  Speaker 9: and I had to go back to the Cold Strange thing.
• 1:15:17
  Speaker 9: In twenty twenty two. They felt like guard was the
• 1:15:19
  Speaker 9: biggest need on the depth chart, like if we had
• 1:15:21
  Speaker 9: to play a game tomorrow, our biggest hole on this
• 1:15:23
  Speaker 9: roster is guard. And they either Bill liked Cole Strange
• 1:15:28
  Speaker 9: the best, or they had, you know, a couple of
• 1:15:29
  Speaker 9: guards had already come off the board, you know, Zion Johnson,
• 1:15:32
  Speaker 9: some other players had already come off the board. So
• 1:15:34
  Speaker 9: maybe they had Cold Strange as like the third or
• 1:15:37
  Speaker 9: fourth best guard in the draft, and even though they
• 1:15:39
  Speaker 9: might have had a second round grade on him, they
• 1:15:41
  Speaker 9: draft either go.
• 1:15:42
  Speaker 2: To school, Yeah, Tennessee, Tennessee.
• 1:15:49
  Speaker 9: There's not a lot of there's not a lot of
• 1:15:51
  Speaker 9: Bill ties that you teach out, but tiessee, just because
• 1:15:55
  Speaker 9: the whole state.
• 1:15:56
  Speaker 1: I'll bet you, I'll bet you he met the head coach.
• 1:16:00
  Speaker 5: Oh god, I'll bet he's met a lot of head coaches.
• 1:16:03
  Speaker 5: Doesn't draft guys from every one of them.
• 1:16:05
  Speaker 1: He loves Tennessee.
• 1:16:07
  Speaker 5: Where's the where's the Arkansas High School guy nowadays?
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 1: Oh?
• 1:16:10
  Speaker 5: Yeah, no place guy doesn't. He loves that guy.
• 1:16:13
  Speaker 7: Right.
• 1:16:14
  Speaker 9: To get back to Frable, A lot of people are
• 1:16:16
  Speaker 9: sharing the quotes from his Hall of Fame Patriots Hall
• 1:16:18
  Speaker 9: of Fame ceremony, and you do wonder, you know, with
• 1:16:21
  Speaker 9: this statement from the Titans about collaborative and all this stuff,
• 1:16:24
  Speaker 9: like him coming here sitting in the owner's box with
• 1:16:27
  Speaker 9: Robert Kraft and then gushing about the Patriots organization and
• 1:16:30
  Speaker 9: saying that it's not like this everywhere else, Like those
• 1:16:33
  Speaker 9: types of shots that he was taking at the Titans,
• 1:16:35
  Speaker 9: I feel like might have set the stage for.
• 1:16:37
  Speaker 5: For all of this.
• 1:16:38
  Speaker 1: Especially the only other places you know is Ohio State
• 1:16:41
  Speaker 1: in Tennesseeans Houston and Houston, Right you're at Yeah, so uh,
• 1:16:47
  Speaker 1: let's go to Melvin and Tennessee. What's up Melvin? Do
• 1:16:54
  Speaker 1: you know Bill Belich?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 24: Bill?
• 1:16:55
  Speaker 9: Talk to you.
• 1:16:57
  Speaker 7: I don't.
• 1:16:59
  Speaker 5: Give a piece of your mind, sweet kid, you could
• 1:17:02
  Speaker 5: draft better.
• 1:17:08
  Speaker 7: I got a quick I'm gonna change the subject for
• 1:17:10
  Speaker 7: a second. I was wanting to know what which one
• 1:17:14
  Speaker 7: of the number one Seeds in the playoffs, So you
• 1:17:16
  Speaker 7: feel like has more I guess more pressure on him.
• 1:17:21
  Speaker 7: Would you feel like the Ravens have more with the
• 1:17:24
  Speaker 7: you know, m vps and all the pressure come with
• 1:17:26
  Speaker 7: Lamar in the most recent game. But the forty nine
• 1:17:29
  Speaker 7: ers have been knocking at the door for a while.
• 1:17:31
  Speaker 5: So I failed San Francisco, Sancisco.
• 1:17:35
  Speaker 9: I think there's a lot of individual pressure on Lamar Jackson.
• 1:17:38
  Speaker 9: But like Harbaugh's already made man, He's already won a
• 1:17:40
  Speaker 9: super Bowl. Like I don't know if there's necessarily pressure
• 1:17:43
  Speaker 9: on the organization, but Labar has a ton of pressure
• 1:17:46
  Speaker 9: to succeed in the playoffs. He hasn't had a playoff run.
• 1:17:48
  Speaker 9: He's one playoff game in his career and it was
• 1:17:51
  Speaker 9: against a like a bad was the Titans, might have
• 1:17:54
  Speaker 9: been the Titans. It was against a bad team that Do.
• 1:17:57
  Speaker 1: You feel brock Purty has any pressure that he puts
• 1:18:01
  Speaker 1: on himself to prove that I can do this in
• 1:18:03
  Speaker 1: the biggest stage.
• 1:18:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think both. I think both of the one seeds,
• 1:18:07
  Speaker 5: by the way an offensive explosion without him last week.
• 1:18:10
  Speaker 5: I think both one seeds have a lot of pressure.
• 1:18:13
  Speaker 5: I agree with with both Melvin and Evan. I just
• 1:18:16
  Speaker 5: feel like at Shanahan has been like considered the wonder
• 1:18:20
  Speaker 5: can felt like how long? Yeah, I mean how long
• 1:18:23
  Speaker 5: without winning anything? Right, everybody says they have the model franchise,
• 1:18:27
  Speaker 5: they have all the talent in the world, they have
• 1:18:29
  Speaker 5: all the elements in place, and on top of all that,
• 1:18:32
  Speaker 5: they have this just outside the box, wonderful thinker who's
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 5: never won anything.
• 1:18:37
  Speaker 9: I think there's more pressure. I agree, especially I mean
• 1:18:40
  Speaker 9: hits that pass in the super Bowl, right.
• 1:18:43
  Speaker 1: At least the forty nine ers if they come up
• 1:18:45
  Speaker 1: short of the super Bowl, and you know, if fail,
• 1:18:48
  Speaker 1: you should be you know, they have to at least
• 1:18:50
  Speaker 1: get to the super Bowl.
• 1:18:51
  Speaker 5: I just remember with.
• 1:18:52
  Speaker 2: Those Patriots teams, like you have to make the most
• 1:18:55
  Speaker 2: of when you have this talent, much talent together in
• 1:18:57
  Speaker 2: one place, and you know, if you don't win the
• 1:18:59
  Speaker 2: super Bowl, everyone's gonna forget about you. And I mean,
• 1:19:02
  Speaker 2: I don't have it at a quarterback rubber staff everything
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 2: Paul said.
• 1:19:04
  Speaker 5: But you know, a lot of pressure.
• 1:19:06
  Speaker 2: It's just for the organization, like you know, it's it's
• 1:19:08
  Speaker 2: it's you know, next year you might have Christian McCaffrey's
• 1:19:11
  Speaker 2: I mean that he's free agent anyways, or maybe not
• 1:19:13
  Speaker 2: for a couple years, but somebody a couple of those guys.
• 1:19:16
  Speaker 5: But they're gonna eventually they're gonna lose some guys because
• 1:19:18
  Speaker 5: they're just gonna want.
• 1:19:19
  Speaker 9: To get They'll lose some guys on the edges, right,
• 1:19:21
  Speaker 9: Like I'm sure they'll be able to retain all the
• 1:19:22
  Speaker 9: stars if they pay for it, but it's gonna be
• 1:19:25
  Speaker 9: you know, the the whoever's the Jilani Tavai of the
• 1:19:29
  Speaker 9: forty nine ers, like those types of players has.
• 1:19:31
  Speaker 5: Million dollar man says, everybody's got a price, Like you
• 1:19:33
  Speaker 5: can't just pay every I mean, you can fit them
• 1:19:35
  Speaker 5: all in if you want, right, but you can't.
• 1:19:37
  Speaker 9: Just like everybody's got a budget like this, it's just
• 1:19:40
  Speaker 9: Drake green Law become a guy that you know, goes
• 1:19:42
  Speaker 9: down somewhere something.
• 1:19:43
  Speaker 5: They're gonna lose pieces. And I do think that Baltimore
• 1:19:47
  Speaker 5: has a lot of pressure.
• 1:19:48
  Speaker 11: They do.
• 1:19:49
  Speaker 5: Like I think the Lamar thing is real and Harbor
• 1:19:52
  Speaker 5: is real. Like Harbaugh like that was twenty twelve. It's
• 1:19:55
  Speaker 5: a long time ago. What that he won?
• 1:19:57
  Speaker 1: Todd's in North Carolina.
• 1:19:59
  Speaker 10: Up Todd, Hey, guys, he'll do us the solid I
• 1:20:03
  Speaker 10: read Evans article and I was watching the play on
• 1:20:06
  Speaker 10: the field for the last game, and it just looked
• 1:20:08
  Speaker 10: like the defense was kind of vanilla. It didn't look
• 1:20:11
  Speaker 10: like it did too much, and the offense was kind
• 1:20:15
  Speaker 10: of the same way. It looked like they were just
• 1:20:17
  Speaker 10: showing up, punching the cards. And you know, a couple
• 1:20:20
  Speaker 10: of guys may have been trying. But even you guys
• 1:20:21
  Speaker 10: said by halftime you couldn't pick out anybody for your
• 1:20:24
  Speaker 10: good list for the postgame show. So did maybe they
• 1:20:28
  Speaker 10: just pulled that.
• 1:20:29
  Speaker 5: I couldn't pick out anybody from my bad list either.
• 1:20:31
  Speaker 1: I don't know if you heard did you hear the
• 1:20:32
  Speaker 1: beginning of the show? Todd for me? Yeah? Did you
• 1:20:35
  Speaker 1: hear the beginning of the show?
• 1:20:37
  Speaker 10: Unfortunately, no, I was cueued up yeah, so fun because
• 1:20:41
  Speaker 10: of early dismissal, So I apologize.
• 1:20:42
  Speaker 1: Now. Evan did address it, and he agrees with you.
• 1:20:45
  Speaker 1: He thought that the defense in particular.
• 1:20:48
  Speaker 5: Yeah, not offense yeah.
• 1:20:50
  Speaker 1: Times Yeah, looked looked like they were a little bit
• 1:20:54
  Speaker 1: too vanilla for his liking, And I like, yeah.
• 1:21:00
  Speaker 10: My other question is, what about the harborball with Michigan?
• 1:21:02
  Speaker 24: Would you touch him or is there just too much
• 1:21:04
  Speaker 24: baggage with No?
• 1:21:05
  Speaker 5: I would but he's not coming here.
• 1:21:06
  Speaker 16: Yeah.
• 1:21:08
  Speaker 9: I think the problem with uh with Harbaugh that I
• 1:21:11
  Speaker 9: find interesting for the Patriots is if he were to
• 1:21:15
  Speaker 9: come here, the amount of people that he would want
• 1:21:17
  Speaker 9: to hire, like like you know, the college teams don't
• 1:21:21
  Speaker 9: run like NFL teams. Like college teams, their coaching staffs
• 1:21:24
  Speaker 9: are like fifty people, right, and it's it would be
• 1:21:28
  Speaker 9: so different from what it is now where Bill has
• 1:21:31
  Speaker 9: like the smallest coaching staff in the NFL and the
• 1:21:34
  Speaker 9: smallest front office in the NFL. It would be a
• 1:21:36
  Speaker 9: completely different operation totally. And is that something that that
• 1:21:41
  Speaker 9: they would really want to do?
• 1:21:42
  Speaker 5: I would do it in a plank. I don't think
• 1:21:43
  Speaker 5: he'd have any interesting coming here, but I do think
• 1:21:47
  Speaker 5: that I do think the Chargers and Raiders. I would
• 1:21:50
  Speaker 5: keep an eye on those two.
• 1:21:52
  Speaker 2: Does his offense concern you?
• 1:21:53
  Speaker 5: Like fables who Harbaugh? Harbaugh has been great with a
• 1:21:57
  Speaker 5: whole bunch of different offers.
• 1:21:58
  Speaker 1: I think he's innovative.
• 1:21:59
  Speaker 5: He's had a whole bunch of different kinds offenses. Right
• 1:22:02
  Speaker 5: now at Michigan. He runs a ground oriented attack. That's
• 1:22:06
  Speaker 5: not what he ran in San Francisco. It's not when
• 1:22:08
  Speaker 5: he ran in Stanford, right.
• 1:22:09
  Speaker 1: He Marty and Reno writes in at web radio at
• 1:22:12
  Speaker 1: Patris dot com. Any chance of you guys setting up
• 1:22:15
  Speaker 1: a webcam so Patriots fans can see the white smoke
• 1:22:18
  Speaker 1: from the top of the stadium lighthouse tower when the
• 1:22:20
  Speaker 1: Crafts make a decision on built Brian heinswek one of
• 1:22:23
  Speaker 1: those jokes.
• 1:22:24
  Speaker 9: That's pretty We've been making that joke, so he stole it.
• 1:22:26
  Speaker 5: Oh diddio, I'm just kidding.
• 1:22:28
  Speaker 9: It's been a group within.
• 1:22:31
  Speaker 1: Also, was I the only one surprised that the refs
• 1:22:33
  Speaker 1: didn't call adult Protective Services on the Michigan defense for
• 1:22:37
  Speaker 1: the abuse and hits they dished out on the elderly
• 1:22:40
  Speaker 1: Penix last night.
• 1:22:41
  Speaker 2: Those guys are tough and I like them.
• 1:22:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah, it was a tough tough night for Pennix.
• 1:22:48
  Speaker 9: Michigan defensive coaching staff too. So that the Ravens defensive
• 1:22:52
  Speaker 9: coordinator MacDonald was their their defensive coordinator before and then
• 1:22:58
  Speaker 9: he went to the NFL. Now he's probably if you
• 1:23:00
  Speaker 9: head coach in the NFL, and now their current defensive
• 1:23:03
  Speaker 9: coordinator is getting talked about as a head coaching candidate. Also,
• 1:23:08
  Speaker 9: and my guy, but they run a really mass like
• 1:23:14
  Speaker 9: really really modern exotic pressure system.
• 1:23:19
  Speaker 5: You gotta have smart guys like my ever defensive backs.
• 1:23:23
  Speaker 1: Last night play.
• 1:23:26
  Speaker 5: Unbelievable tackle on that third down two earlier in the game.
• 1:23:28
  Speaker 1: I saw that one Solomon in the Bay Area. To
• 1:23:33
  Speaker 1: say it was disappointing season is an understatement. If you
• 1:23:36
  Speaker 1: told me this team would not make the playoffs, I
• 1:23:38
  Speaker 1: would believe it five months ago. But if you told
• 1:23:40
  Speaker 1: me this team would only win four games, I would
• 1:23:43
  Speaker 1: have fallen out of my chair. I appreciate what Bill
• 1:23:46
  Speaker 1: has done for the team. Six super Bowls would not
• 1:23:48
  Speaker 1: have happened without him, but his personnel decisions have been disastrous.
• 1:23:52
  Speaker 1: My feeling on the status of Bill is the longer
• 1:23:54
  Speaker 1: we do not hear from the organization and party ways,
• 1:23:57
  Speaker 1: the more likely he's going to be the Patriots head
• 1:24:00
  Speaker 1: coach next season. And when I read the McDaniels rumor,
• 1:24:03
  Speaker 1: I just laughed out loud.
• 1:24:04
  Speaker 5: Yeah, well, I mean, isn't that kind of like obviously,
• 1:24:11
  Speaker 5: if they don't announce that he's not coming back, the chances.
• 1:24:14
  Speaker 2: He's gonna keep staying until they announce it.
• 1:24:16
  Speaker 5: Right, the longer it he's still here, he's still here.
• 1:24:20
  Speaker 1: Shoddy from Houston. Why is this organization run like a
• 1:24:23
  Speaker 1: top secret federal agency. No one ever knows anything, and
• 1:24:27
  Speaker 1: everything is always mysterious. Season is over and other teams
• 1:24:31
  Speaker 1: are already setting up interviews with gms and head coaches,
• 1:24:33
  Speaker 1: while we have no clue what the next step will be.
• 1:24:36
  Speaker 1: I understand Bill's up obsession with the art of war
• 1:24:39
  Speaker 1: and books about war, but can we just be a
• 1:24:41
  Speaker 1: normal sporting franchise for one week?
• 1:24:43
  Speaker 9: Well, to be fair, there are these other teams, Like
• 1:24:46
  Speaker 9: firing Arthur Smith is not the same as firing Bill
• 1:24:49
  Speaker 9: Belichick right like so to in terms of why because
• 1:24:52
  Speaker 9: it just isn't But why because he's the greatest coach
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 9: of all time?
• 1:24:55
  Speaker 2: I know.
• 1:24:56
  Speaker 5: But if you're going to fire him, just fire him,
• 1:24:58
  Speaker 5: like why? Like, I don't understand it, SA if you
• 1:25:00
  Speaker 5: want to keep them, then it's just that you're keeping them,
• 1:25:03
  Speaker 5: Like I get it. It's it's way more complicated than that.
• 1:25:07
  Speaker 5: I don't think it should.
• 1:25:08
  Speaker 2: I think we're day two.
• 1:25:09
  Speaker 5: I think we complicate things, that's what we do.
• 1:25:11
  Speaker 9: I don't know. I feel I understand that it's like
• 1:25:14
  Speaker 9: the optics and in the fact that it has to
• 1:25:16
  Speaker 9: be at least handled correctly, like fire, I understand stuff
• 1:25:22
  Speaker 9: should have been put in place, like whatever your decision
• 1:25:24
  Speaker 9: should have been. Maybe but maybe Bill said I want
• 1:25:26
  Speaker 9: to finish out coaching the team, and like, I'm not
• 1:25:28
  Speaker 9: going to get into this right now, I don't know, Like, Okay,
• 1:25:30
  Speaker 9: if there's a like we woke up at eight am
• 1:25:32
  Speaker 9: on Monday morning and the Falcons had announced that they've
• 1:25:34
  Speaker 9: fired Arthur Smith.
• 1:25:35
  Speaker 5: I understand why the Patriots didn't do that.
• 1:25:37
  Speaker 9: For the greatest coach of all time that won six
• 1:25:39
  Speaker 9: Super Bowls for the organization.
• 1:25:41
  Speaker 5: I can understand if they're keeping him. I understand it
• 1:25:43
  Speaker 5: both ways, But I don't understand why you can't just
• 1:25:46
  Speaker 5: make an announcement at eight o'clock on Monday morning it.
• 1:25:47
  Speaker 4: Was respectful to keep him the entire season long, because honestly,
• 1:25:50
  Speaker 4: after the SATs game or even after Germany, most coaches
• 1:25:53
  Speaker 4: would have been fired with the whole situation.
• 1:25:55
  Speaker 5: That was happening.
• 1:25:56
  Speaker 4: And so for me, it's like you had all season
• 1:25:57
  Speaker 4: long to prepare this like cute letter to the fans,
• 1:26:00
  Speaker 4: to the to the whole statement you had all season long.
• 1:26:03
  Speaker 5: Term, I would argue, if you want to keep them,
• 1:26:05
  Speaker 5: like I'm not going to tell you wrong, Like, yeah,
• 1:26:07
  Speaker 5: I just don't think it's that complicated, Like you've had
• 1:26:10
  Speaker 5: all this time to sort of decide which way you
• 1:26:13
  Speaker 5: want to go, and that just like which way you decided, the.
• 1:26:17
  Speaker 9: Whole football operations is him, like the scouting staff, the
• 1:26:22
  Speaker 9: personnel guys, the coaching staff, this like so Birge like
• 1:26:27
  Speaker 9: you like there's like a million people that are affected
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 9: by this.
• 1:26:30
  Speaker 5: I like, none of that has changed since you made
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 5: your decision.
• 1:26:33
  Speaker 9: I'm just saying that the infrastructure, like laying an infrastructure
• 1:26:36
  Speaker 9: of a football operations for twenty four years, is a
• 1:26:39
  Speaker 9: lot different than the falcons for three with Arthur Smith.
• 1:26:42
  Speaker 1: It's a lot to unrap.
• 1:26:43
  Speaker 5: That's why it didn't happen last year. I think last
• 1:26:48
  Speaker 5: year that's why you sent a letter to season ticket
• 1:26:50
  Speaker 5: holders instead of making a drastic move.
• 1:26:53
  Speaker 9: I think they didn't happen last year because they gave
• 1:26:54
  Speaker 9: him a mull again. They said, all right, you got
• 1:26:56
  Speaker 9: one year, yep, and now you've had one year. I
• 1:26:59
  Speaker 9: do not disagree that decision. I just understand why you
• 1:27:02
  Speaker 9: have to handle it differently well.
• 1:27:03
  Speaker 1: And I also think Robert Kraft worries about.
• 1:27:07
  Speaker 5: P R right, and I don't. I think that you
• 1:27:09
  Speaker 5: should worry just about what you think is right and
• 1:27:13
  Speaker 5: do the best you can. No one's perfect. None, none
• 1:27:16
  Speaker 5: of us has ever gone through life without making mistakes,
• 1:27:20
  Speaker 5: and no one's expecting Robert Kraft to be any more
• 1:27:22
  Speaker 5: perfect than anybody else.
• 1:27:23
  Speaker 1: But you don't want to be cold with this guy.
• 1:27:26
  Speaker 5: But it's not cold, Fred. I think it's actually if
• 1:27:29
  Speaker 5: if you in fact move on, isn't it better for
• 1:27:33
  Speaker 5: him to just like no, like, that's not I don't
• 1:27:35
  Speaker 5: think that's cold at all.
• 1:27:37
  Speaker 4: And I think it's better for like his support staff,
• 1:27:39
  Speaker 4: who is senior in limbo, like, okay, should I be
• 1:27:41
  Speaker 4: selling house.
• 1:27:43
  Speaker 9: There's a lot of people like involved, and they all
• 1:27:47
  Speaker 9: deserve to know as quickly as they can then, which
• 1:27:49
  Speaker 9: is why I think the Raiders allowed back to that
• 1:27:51
  Speaker 9: common Brisillo thing.
• 1:27:52
  Speaker 5: They allowed him to interview with another job, even though
• 1:27:56
  Speaker 5: it's a lateral move. He's the offensive the offensive line
• 1:28:00
  Speaker 5: coach for the Raiders, and they're allowing them to interview
• 1:28:02
  Speaker 5: for the Giants for the same position because there's uncertainty
• 1:28:05
  Speaker 5: as to what's going to happen with the Raiders.
• 1:28:07
  Speaker 9: I just think that I said earlier that it's one
• 1:28:12
  Speaker 9: of two things. Either they're trying to hash out and
• 1:28:14
  Speaker 9: exit strategy, or they're trying to hash out how they
• 1:28:16
  Speaker 9: can keep bill and make changes. And that's why I
• 1:28:20
  Speaker 9: wonder if it's the keep bill and make changes, is
• 1:28:23
  Speaker 9: we're still trying to figure out is that even feasible,
• 1:28:26
  Speaker 9: Like how would that look? What would be bills pitch,
• 1:28:28
  Speaker 9: what would be ownership's pitch? And is there a middle
• 1:28:32
  Speaker 9: ground there that we actually think could work that in
• 1:28:36
  Speaker 9: that I don't think would have been hashed out when
• 1:28:39
  Speaker 9: they're game planning for the Bills, Like I just don't
• 1:28:41
  Speaker 9: like whether they needed to win the game or not.
• 1:28:43
  Speaker 9: Is besides the point, Like that's deep, Like you can't
• 1:28:47
  Speaker 9: just like and I.
• 1:28:48
  Speaker 5: Would just counter with if he didn't want to talk
• 1:28:51
  Speaker 5: about this because he was game planning with the Bills,
• 1:28:53
  Speaker 5: then well I tried Bill, I tried. So Like again,
• 1:28:57
  Speaker 5: eight Monday comes around, I land.
• 1:29:01
  Speaker 2: More on the side of the complication of whatever it
• 1:29:04
  Speaker 2: will be, rather than like a respect factor of I mean,
• 1:29:06
  Speaker 2: I hear like as far as the respect I like,
• 1:29:08
  Speaker 2: I hear I find it respectful in a way to say, look,
• 1:29:11
  Speaker 2: it's over, We're not going to drag you through the mud.
• 1:29:13
  Speaker 2: But I just I think when we find out what
• 1:29:15
  Speaker 2: is happening either way, it might be a little bit
• 1:29:17
  Speaker 2: more clear, while there were a lot of moving pieces
• 1:29:19
  Speaker 2: for them to execute, whether he's staying, whether he's going,
• 1:29:21
  Speaker 2: and that's why. But it's Tuesday.
• 1:29:23
  Speaker 5: I mean, you know, I'm not out of my mind.
• 1:29:27
  Speaker 2: No, I mean, you know, if we get to Friday
• 1:29:29
  Speaker 2: and yeah, we're like, we don't know.
• 1:29:30
  Speaker 9: Paul Thursday with an answer that's probably accurate.
• 1:29:35
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I think if the week went by and there
• 1:29:37
  Speaker 5: was nothing, I think I would probably feel differently and
• 1:29:40
  Speaker 5: just to re up what Mike just like I I
• 1:29:43
  Speaker 5: know it probably doesn't sound it, but I have the
• 1:29:45
  Speaker 5: utmost amount of respect for Bill Belichick the coach. I
• 1:29:48
  Speaker 5: really do. I know sometimes it probably doesn't sound that
• 1:29:51
  Speaker 5: way because I questioned some things that he does and
• 1:29:54
  Speaker 5: who am I to to do that? And I get that,
• 1:29:57
  Speaker 5: but I don't think it. You'd be hard press to
• 1:30:00
  Speaker 5: find anybody that thinks more of him as a coach
• 1:30:02
  Speaker 5: than I do. And I mean that like, I think
• 1:30:04
  Speaker 5: he's a great coach, not overrated, not just good. He
• 1:30:08
  Speaker 5: was a great coach for this team for twenty four years.
• 1:30:12
  Speaker 1: John in California, I was firmly in the Bill's gotta go,
• 1:30:15
  Speaker 1: Let's tank school. But yesterday Bill changed everything by doing
• 1:30:18
  Speaker 1: what the entire PU team and everyone else said would
• 1:30:21
  Speaker 1: never happen. He said he'll accept a different role to
• 1:30:24
  Speaker 1: stay with the team. That's the game changer, and maybe
• 1:30:28
  Speaker 1: it works. We all agree Bill is a great coach,
• 1:30:31
  Speaker 1: terrible GM, girod Mayo has spearheaded a great defense. Peoli
• 1:30:34
  Speaker 1: and McDaniels are circling. We have the number three draft
• 1:30:37
  Speaker 1: pick for our franchise quarterbacks. So now there is an
• 1:30:40
  Speaker 1: everyone wins redemption story option on the table. Bill's coach,
• 1:30:44
  Speaker 1: Scott Peolia's GM, Josh as oc Gerada's DC crafts miraculously
• 1:30:50
  Speaker 1: drawing on the old as they changed to the new,
• 1:30:52
  Speaker 1: and the Patriots instant contenders against the fading AFC East.
• 1:30:56
  Speaker 1: I can't believe him saying this, but I'm in.
• 1:30:59
  Speaker 5: Fading AFC East.
• 1:31:00
  Speaker 9: Pretty good football game on Sunday night between.
• 1:31:03
  Speaker 5: The fading teams. Can I can I just ask you know,
• 1:31:10
  Speaker 5: I'll just repeat that Bill did not say what you said.
• 1:31:12
  Speaker 5: That He said he said he'd be open to uh
• 1:31:17
  Speaker 5: doing what's in the best interest of the team. He
• 1:31:19
  Speaker 5: did not say he would be willing to give up
• 1:31:23
  Speaker 5: his personnel powers. Well, I'm also not interested in that.
• 1:31:26
  Speaker 2: That's someone's music wait, am I hearing someone's music playing.
• 1:31:31
  Speaker 1: Coming coming to us from the world wide?
• 1:31:36
  Speaker 4: What is it?
• 1:31:37
  Speaker 1: W w W? What does that stand for? Entertainment? Is
• 1:31:43
  Speaker 1: Megan Morand? What's up? Megan God?
• 1:31:47
  Speaker 22: Hello?
• 1:31:48
  Speaker 24: You guys? Is anything going on this week? Tell us quiet?
• 1:31:52
  Speaker 6: Post season week in Foxborough?
• 1:31:56
  Speaker 1: I was gonna say, well, what you know what spurred
• 1:31:58
  Speaker 1: you to call today?
• 1:32:01
  Speaker 25: I mean, there's like nothing going on Patriots, So I
• 1:32:05
  Speaker 25: figured you guys just needed someone to call.
• 1:32:07
  Speaker 9: In and things up.
• 1:32:08
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you missed a good season, Meg, No, this
• 1:32:12
  Speaker 2: is when the season starts.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 1: Dude.
• 1:32:14
  Speaker 24: I am locked in on what's going on right now.
• 1:32:17
  Speaker 6: I set an alarm yesterday to watch Belichick's pressior.
• 1:32:20
  Speaker 1: So let me ask you Ques wrong. In the wrestling world,
• 1:32:22
  Speaker 1: is a thing called work, you know, being worked? Are
• 1:32:25
  Speaker 1: we being worked here? Or is this a done deal?
• 1:32:27
  Speaker 1: What do you think?
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 9: I don't know.
• 1:32:30
  Speaker 25: I mean sometimes I always think when it comes to
• 1:32:32
  Speaker 25: the Patriots, I'm like, is this the work?
• 1:32:35
  Speaker 6: Are they setting us up for something?
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 14: Right?
• 1:32:37
  Speaker 25: I feel like Bill would be an amazing heel, don't you,
• 1:32:41
  Speaker 25: And I kind of feel like he's always working us.
• 1:32:43
  Speaker 2: Yeah, she's in the business.
• 1:32:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, So how's it going over there?
• 1:32:50
  Speaker 6: It's going great. I just did a show right now,
• 1:32:52
  Speaker 6: and then I have like an hour before a production meeting.
• 1:32:56
  Speaker 25: So I was tuning in to you guys because obviously
• 1:32:59
  Speaker 25: we all want to know what's going to happen by Friday,
• 1:33:02
  Speaker 25: is still staying?
• 1:33:03
  Speaker 23: Is going?
• 1:33:04
  Speaker 24: Who's going to be the next coach?
• 1:33:06
  Speaker 6: Brabel is just fired?
• 1:33:07
  Speaker 25: I just feel like it's too obvious if we go Rabel, right,
• 1:33:11
  Speaker 25: we too obvious Rabel or Mayo? And then I'm like,
• 1:33:15
  Speaker 25: am I seriously really believing right now that Bill.
• 1:33:18
  Speaker 6: Belichick's going to be out?
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 2: Like?
• 1:33:20
  Speaker 25: I believe it, but I won't totally believe it until
• 1:33:24
  Speaker 25: it happens.
• 1:33:25
  Speaker 1: Right right?
• 1:33:26
  Speaker 2: Did you watch so many games this year you might
• 1:33:27
  Speaker 2: believe it?
• 1:33:28
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:33:30
  Speaker 6: I was a red Zone meg this year.
• 1:33:32
  Speaker 25: I thought of Paul every weekend.
• 1:33:34
  Speaker 6: You know, red Zon did up.
• 1:33:36
  Speaker 1: What would your great aunt be saying about all this?
• 1:33:40
  Speaker 24: Oh my no, my grandmother?
• 1:33:41
  Speaker 1: Oh your grandmother? Is that right?
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 5: Yeah?
• 1:33:43
  Speaker 11: Oh?
• 1:33:44
  Speaker 6: She would be like, Jesus, you really thinks I'll let
• 1:33:47
  Speaker 6: that man go?
• 1:33:49
  Speaker 25: Super Bowl title? Oh my god, Jesus, Mary and Joseph.
• 1:33:54
  Speaker 25: He was the most accomplished coach in the NFL.
• 1:34:00
  Speaker 5: Hey, Nan, I'll watch back to back possessions on offense
• 1:34:02
  Speaker 5: and then.
• 1:34:03
  Speaker 9: Get back to me.
• 1:34:04
  Speaker 2: Right, So, what do you guys think is going to happen?
• 1:34:07
  Speaker 1: I mean I think we're all, you know, under the
• 1:34:09
  Speaker 1: impression that the time has come. Yeah, and the Crafts agree.
• 1:34:13
  Speaker 25: With that, yeah yeah, but does it really happen?
• 1:34:20
  Speaker 1: I think so.
• 1:34:22
  Speaker 5: You know, it's not like when you were here and
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 5: they used to tell you.
• 1:34:24
  Speaker 1: You know, Megan, My thing is like, I can't imagine
• 1:34:28
  Speaker 1: that they haven't made a decision and if they, if they,
• 1:34:31
  Speaker 1: if they're going to keep them, why would they let
• 1:34:33
  Speaker 1: him dangle out there for all this time? I mean,
• 1:34:35
  Speaker 1: these rumors have been going on for a while, and
• 1:34:38
  Speaker 1: you know, all Robert Kraft would have had to do
• 1:34:40
  Speaker 1: was say he's staying and that would have ended it.
• 1:34:42
  Speaker 1: But he didn't. So you know that to me tells
• 1:34:47
  Speaker 1: me that it's over.
• 1:34:49
  Speaker 6: And his Fred always tells us watch.
• 1:34:51
  Speaker 1: What they do, right, in this case, they didn't do anything. Yeah.
• 1:34:56
  Speaker 6: Yeah, Well we are witnessing historic times, guys, So I
• 1:35:00
  Speaker 6: just had to give you a buzz because we are
• 1:35:03
  Speaker 6: all patiently awaiting the drop of something.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 13: Right.
• 1:35:07
  Speaker 6: I don't know when it's gonna happen, but I imagine
• 1:35:09
  Speaker 6: by Friday will know something.
• 1:35:11
  Speaker 1: Okay, Well, thanks for calling it. It's good to hear
• 1:35:13
  Speaker 1: your voice.
• 1:35:14
  Speaker 9: Thanks mag Say hi to ay Dog this year.
• 1:35:16
  Speaker 1: See you later. Megan from the w WE The Worldwide.
• 1:35:24
  Speaker 5: O'Brien.
• 1:35:25
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know what last name to use for her,
• 1:35:27
  Speaker 1: you know, because she's not on air right now.
• 1:35:30
  Speaker 2: Irish ones and one made up.
• 1:35:31
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but yeah called in as Moran's Connolly.
• 1:35:35
  Speaker 1: Moran's Connolly, all right. I mean I think she's back
• 1:35:38
  Speaker 1: in the northeast too, Yeah, Connecticut.
• 1:35:41
  Speaker 9: A little uh more on Vrabel that I feel like
• 1:35:43
  Speaker 9: it's relevant.
• 1:35:45
  Speaker 1: Uh.
• 1:35:46
  Speaker 9: The Titans believed is from Diana Russini. The Titans believed
• 1:35:49
  Speaker 9: trading Rabel was too complicated and would take too long.
• 1:35:52
  Speaker 9: Per sources, they wanted to move on quickly. I was
• 1:35:55
  Speaker 9: told Rabel never asked ownership for a trade or asked
• 1:35:57
  Speaker 9: out of Tennessee. But I thought it was interesting that
• 1:35:59
  Speaker 9: they felt like trying to trade him, even if he
• 1:36:02
  Speaker 9: had value, was going to take too long. And it
• 1:36:04
  Speaker 9: kind of relates to they tried to trade Bill, Like
• 1:36:07
  Speaker 9: that's kind of the same thing.
• 1:36:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, could you imagine like some of my thought off
• 1:36:10
  Speaker 2: the table now, But like I was wondering if there
• 1:36:11
  Speaker 2: was a world where they trade for each for each other,
• 1:36:14
  Speaker 2: like you swap coaches.
• 1:36:15
  Speaker 5: Does that ever happen before? I don't know, did.
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 16: No?
• 1:36:20
  Speaker 5: I don't know.
• 1:36:21
  Speaker 2: So funny built use like Tennessee from what I've heard, sneaky.
• 1:36:27
  Speaker 5: Earlier in the show, negative dues right there taking a
• 1:36:30
  Speaker 5: shot at the boss. Sorry, I'm not gonna get mad.
• 1:36:36
  Speaker 5: You want, I'm not mad?
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 2: There you go.
• 1:36:42
  Speaker 9: That's a good It's honestly fantastic. I mean, it's really.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 5: As way too.
• 1:36:47
  Speaker 2: Talented to be wasting time making a show about.
• 1:36:49
  Speaker 5: Me, but ridiculous. Okay, here we go, and every like
• 1:36:53
  Speaker 5: that's that was my favorite, unbelievable.
• 1:36:55
  Speaker 1: Really good. That might be better than the mic is
• 1:36:59
  Speaker 1: back from practice, of course, it might be better.
• 1:37:02
  Speaker 5: Than I'm willing to say.
• 1:37:03
  Speaker 9: And that's my songs.
• 1:37:05
  Speaker 5: Just yeah, it's I don't know, it's different.
• 1:37:07
  Speaker 1: Jonah says, I can appreciate Rabel's defensive coaching acumen and
• 1:37:11
  Speaker 1: tough team building ideology. However, that is going backwards. The
• 1:37:15
  Speaker 1: Patriots need an offensive head coach if they move on
• 1:37:17
  Speaker 1: for Bill, and should make Jerrod DC if they can
• 1:37:21
  Speaker 1: draft opinions. Drake May isn't good enough to be the
• 1:37:23
  Speaker 1: Patriots quarterback, as NC State has shown the last two years.
• 1:37:27
  Speaker 1: I acknowledge I'm biased. First pick should be a quarterback.
• 1:37:30
  Speaker 1: If not, then it should be offensive tackle. Even though
• 1:37:34
  Speaker 1: we need a wide receiver and he wants to know
• 1:37:37
  Speaker 1: which second wide receiver do you like. I'm a fan
• 1:37:40
  Speaker 1: of uh Agbuka or Worthy.
• 1:37:44
  Speaker 9: Buka's from Ohio. State's like a slock guy. Worthies like
• 1:37:46
  Speaker 9: this year's a Flowers, but like a little taller, a
• 1:37:49
  Speaker 9: little bit bigger.
• 1:37:51
  Speaker 2: I'm not really covening slot guys anymore this year.
• 1:37:54
  Speaker 9: Xavier Worthy is really really talented player.
• 1:37:57
  Speaker 5: I mean, I like them. I like a lot of
• 1:38:00
  Speaker 5: I like a lot of those wide receivers, but most
• 1:38:02
  Speaker 5: you know me, you guys fixate on the slot guys.
• 1:38:05
  Speaker 5: I like the playmakers.
• 1:38:07
  Speaker 1: I feel like you, and then I think that's enough
• 1:38:10
  Speaker 1: getting first downs, making a play.
• 1:38:11
  Speaker 16: So I was.
• 1:38:14
  Speaker 9: Xavior Worthy is like more like a Z. He's not
• 1:38:16
  Speaker 9: like that's your like Welker slot. He's more like Justin
• 1:38:20
  Speaker 9: Jefferson doesn't get any first That's right, Well, Justin Jefferson
• 1:38:23
  Speaker 9: plays the Z doesn't it doesn't make any play.
• 1:38:26
  Speaker 1: That's that's and that's what I think.
• 1:38:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what the system.
• 1:38:28
  Speaker 9: Plays in the slot all the time. Yes, he's not
• 1:38:32
  Speaker 9: a slot receiver. He plays in the slot, Yes, but
• 1:38:35
  Speaker 9: he's not a slot receiver. It's not five two. Yeah,
• 1:38:37
  Speaker 9: xavior Worthy is more not that I'm not comparing him
• 1:38:40
  Speaker 9: to Justin Jefferson, but like the skill set and the
• 1:38:42
  Speaker 9: way he would be used is more like Justin Jeffers.
• 1:38:45
  Speaker 2: You need an every down guy, not a third down
• 1:38:47
  Speaker 2: slot receiver. Like it's fine, Pop, only a J.
• 1:38:50
  Speaker 5: Brown someday develops into a guy who can get you
• 1:38:52
  Speaker 5: a first down, right, then we'd.
• 1:38:53
  Speaker 9: Be I think ideal the guy, right, like ideally you
• 1:38:56
  Speaker 9: have Pop is really your what they would call your
• 1:38:59
  Speaker 9: f Like he's your pure slot not necessarily an X
• 1:39:03
  Speaker 9: or Z, but the pure slot in the three receiver sets.
• 1:39:06
  Speaker 9: And then exes to Higgins Z is a rookie or
• 1:39:08
  Speaker 9: something like that.
• 1:39:09
  Speaker 1: Is there a position for every letter in the alphabet?
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 16: No?
• 1:39:12
  Speaker 9: No, it just it just is, you know, in three
• 1:39:18
  Speaker 9: receiver sets, is your pure slot guy. And that doesn't
• 1:39:21
  Speaker 9: that go like go back to like flanker, Yeah, says.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 5: Split d.
• 1:39:27
  Speaker 9: Absolutely Z is the move piece. He is your chest piece.
• 1:39:30
  Speaker 1: That's what you need.
• 1:39:33
  Speaker 5: No, because he plays off the line scrimmage to remember
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 5: it though.
• 1:39:36
  Speaker 2: He's going to be all over the place on this
• 1:39:38
  Speaker 2: way and that way, and then I'll even go back. Yeah.
• 1:39:39
  Speaker 9: Plays a little outside and a little inside.
• 1:39:42
  Speaker 5: That's what I want.
• 1:39:43
  Speaker 1: Anthony writes in there's a huge difference between Mike Rabel
• 1:39:46
  Speaker 1: as a coach and Bill as a head coach. Mike
• 1:39:48
  Speaker 1: is under fifty and may have the ability to adapt
• 1:39:51
  Speaker 1: in a justice coaching style.
• 1:39:52
  Speaker 5: Absolutely that Mike's point.
• 1:39:53
  Speaker 1: Bill is old and have proven time and again he
• 1:39:56
  Speaker 1: isn't willing to move off his old time seventies football
• 1:39:59
  Speaker 1: run and play dec He is who he is. He
• 1:40:01
  Speaker 1: isn't changing after all this time. He is an old,
• 1:40:04
  Speaker 1: stubborn man who doesn't change, and when forced, who finds
• 1:40:06
  Speaker 1: a way to make that what not work too. I'd
• 1:40:09
  Speaker 1: be willing to give Rabel a chance to show he
• 1:40:12
  Speaker 1: understands modern football and can adapt. I'm not willing to
• 1:40:15
  Speaker 1: see if Bill will.
• 1:40:16
  Speaker 5: It's a great email. Wow, that's a great email. That's
• 1:40:18
  Speaker 5: Mike's point.
• 1:40:21
  Speaker 1: Joe writes in First off, I love your show. I
• 1:40:24
  Speaker 1: grew up a season ticket holder, but haven't lived in
• 1:40:26
  Speaker 1: Madis since eighty six when I joined the Navy. Thank
• 1:40:28
  Speaker 1: you for your service. I now live in Virginia, but
• 1:40:31
  Speaker 1: I'm still one hundred percent of Pats fan. I'm a
• 1:40:33
  Speaker 1: first time caller, but a long time listener to all
• 1:40:35
  Speaker 1: your podcast I haven't heard anyone talk about Josh McDaniels
• 1:40:40
  Speaker 1: coming back and them keeping Mac Jones. Do you guys
• 1:40:43
  Speaker 1: think this is an option? I could see them drafting
• 1:40:46
  Speaker 1: an offensive tackle and a wide receiver as a priority,
• 1:40:49
  Speaker 1: and also signing an OT and wide receiver in the
• 1:40:51
  Speaker 1: off season with a better Mac and it's still working.
• 1:40:55
  Speaker 5: Oh god, I'm with you until the last three words working. Like,
• 1:41:01
  Speaker 5: I think it's a possibility that you bring Josh back
• 1:41:04
  Speaker 5: and he fits the suit, he's got the contract, you
• 1:41:07
  Speaker 5: give one more year. Yeah, I don't have any faith
• 1:41:10
  Speaker 5: it would work.
• 1:41:11
  Speaker 1: No, I'm with you too.
• 1:41:12
  Speaker 2: I can't. I can't rule it out. And I also
• 1:41:13
  Speaker 2: just even if it was a new guy like you,
• 1:41:17
  Speaker 2: would you have a quarterback in house? And like, I
• 1:41:19
  Speaker 2: totally agree with what you said, but like, we're just
• 1:41:21
  Speaker 2: not in a position where you're just casting guys off.
• 1:41:23
  Speaker 2: And if a guy comes in who really like Mac
• 1:41:25
  Speaker 2: Jones and said, look, this guy's had a tough go,
• 1:41:28
  Speaker 2: he needs to have the reset buttons reset I think
• 1:41:30
  Speaker 2: a lot of people think you're gonna ship him to
• 1:41:32
  Speaker 2: another team to let him reset. But if it's a
• 1:41:34
  Speaker 2: whole new offensive staff, could that be a reset? And look,
• 1:41:36
  Speaker 2: he doesn't win the job, you trade him in camp
• 1:41:38
  Speaker 2: something like that. Like I think I still think they
• 1:41:40
  Speaker 2: probably send him and let him get a fresh start elsewhere.
• 1:41:42
  Speaker 5: My failing is he'll want the fresh start. But you
• 1:41:45
  Speaker 5: absolutely could say, well, if Bill's gone, that represents the
• 1:41:48
  Speaker 5: fresh start for him.
• 1:41:49
  Speaker 2: Yeahah, you want to compete, we get a starting job open.
• 1:41:51
  Speaker 9: He spoke on locker room clean out Day, and I
• 1:41:55
  Speaker 9: thought that his comments were I thought he was holding
• 1:41:57
  Speaker 9: back quite a bit in his comments.
• 1:41:59
  Speaker 4: He's he he reminds me of Bill, and like he
• 1:42:03
  Speaker 4: just says a whole bunch of nothing. Like everything he
• 1:42:05
  Speaker 4: said was a bunch of quotes I can find.
• 1:42:06
  Speaker 9: On Google, Like it was a bunch of AI generation.
• 1:42:09
  Speaker 4: I find my best success after my lowest fall. It's
• 1:42:13
  Speaker 4: like I could find that on Google on Pincher's quotes,
• 1:42:16
  Speaker 4: Like everything he said was nothing to me.
• 1:42:18
  Speaker 5: Yep, But I I just think that about the eight
• 1:42:22
  Speaker 5: pounds of muscle.
• 1:42:23
  Speaker 9: Yeah, that was funny, the mac jones of it, Like
• 1:42:27
  Speaker 9: half weeks how it was. I just don't see there's
• 1:42:32
  Speaker 9: not enough there for me to be convinced that it
• 1:42:34
  Speaker 9: would ever work again, like Paul, Like, I just I
• 1:42:37
  Speaker 9: just can't see that happening. And I think that you
• 1:42:40
  Speaker 9: can delusion yourself into thinking that Marvin Harrison Junior and
• 1:42:43
  Speaker 9: a great tackle and this and that and everything, but
• 1:42:46
  Speaker 9: at the very least you're still talking about the Boe
• 1:42:49
  Speaker 9: Nicks JJ McCarthy second round pick quarterback right to like
• 1:42:54
  Speaker 9: head your bets a little bit, like you're not going
• 1:42:55
  Speaker 9: to go into next year with Mac Jones and Bailey
• 1:42:57
  Speaker 9: Zappy as your quarterback room.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 1: You know, It's funny.
• 1:42:59
  Speaker 2: I look back at my notes from training camp and
• 1:43:02
  Speaker 2: did you know the very first eleven on eleven in
• 1:43:05
  Speaker 2: training camp that they did back through a pick to Dugger?
• 1:43:08
  Speaker 5: Like that was like, oh I remember that.
• 1:43:10
  Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, first drive of the season. Like it's
• 1:43:13
  Speaker 2: like so many times he makes turnas just right out
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  Speaker 2: of the gate, right out of the game.
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  Speaker 5: I just feel like, maybe it's not all his fault.
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  Speaker 5: I'm willing to accept that, but I just think he's
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  Speaker 5: He's shown you who he is many times, and people,
• 1:43:27
  Speaker 5: some people not a lot, some people refuse to just
• 1:43:31
  Speaker 5: believe what they've seen.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, they're still saying it's uncharacteristic.
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  Speaker 9: It's a ceiling.
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  Speaker 4: Pick six, is do I need to see before?
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  Speaker 5: It's like, I think, if you give him the stuff
• 1:43:38
  Speaker 5: that Evan's talking about, he will be better. But there's
• 1:43:41
  Speaker 5: a ceiling to how much better? And to me, the
• 1:43:43
  Speaker 5: ceiling is the first half of twenty one.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Andrew another Navy vet, thank you for his service,
• 1:43:50
  Speaker 1: writes in I appreciate what Bill has done, and I
• 1:43:52
  Speaker 1: think he's a great coach. But is there a chance
• 1:43:55
  Speaker 1: that rather than the greatest head coach of all time,
• 1:43:57
  Speaker 1: he's the greatest defensive coordinator of all time happened to
• 1:44:00
  Speaker 1: also have Tom Brady. Just seems like it's been a
• 1:44:03
  Speaker 1: slow motion train wreck since Brady left, with bad decision
• 1:44:06
  Speaker 1: after bad decision.
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  Speaker 9: No, I don't think that's possible. That's just me. I
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  Speaker 9: think that that's really ignoring pretty much seventy five percent
• 1:44:16
  Speaker 9: of what Bill Belichick brought to the table here for
• 1:44:18
  Speaker 9: twenty four years. If you're just saying, ah, he brought
• 1:44:21
  Speaker 9: was being a really good defensive coach.
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  Speaker 1: Joe writes in he's in Michigan. Bill is a very
• 1:44:26
  Speaker 1: intimidating and forceful man. What is happening is what has
• 1:44:30
  Speaker 1: been happening over twenty years. Bill is in charge and
• 1:44:33
  Speaker 1: deciding the future of the team. He is still the boss.
• 1:44:37
  Speaker 1: Imagine sitting across the table from him.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah, someone who's been on
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  Speaker 5: the other side of the table. Well, that's why that's
• 1:44:47
  Speaker 5: a pretty accurate description.
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  Speaker 2: Takes a billionaire.
• 1:44:49
  Speaker 1: So somebody sent me a quote from the late Pat Bowen,
• 1:44:52
  Speaker 1: who was the owner of the Broncos.
• 1:44:55
  Speaker 5: This one's and for John and the quote was about.
• 1:44:58
  Speaker 1: When he got rid of Dan Reeves and he said
• 1:45:01
  Speaker 1: that he wanted to get his team back. Yeah, you know,
• 1:45:05
  Speaker 1: he felt like he had lost control and that Dan
• 1:45:08
  Speaker 1: Reeves maybe had too much power.
• 1:45:10
  Speaker 2: He become the team.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, well Dan Reeves is just phenomenal to.
• 1:45:14
  Speaker 1: Certain so overrated.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah, just kidding.
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  Speaker 9: We were in Denver.
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  Speaker 5: He was like, oh, do you see it? Do you
• 1:45:22
  Speaker 5: see it?
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 16: Up there?
• 1:45:23
  Speaker 9: We were all like what And He's like.
• 1:45:26
  Speaker 2: I showed restraint. But when I had the opportunity to
• 1:45:29
  Speaker 2: interview bergeron and Andrews, and Andrews was talking a little
• 1:45:32
  Speaker 2: bit about his uncle and his uncle get and of
• 1:45:34
  Speaker 2: course Aaron, who is a you know Dan Reeves file
• 1:45:37
  Speaker 2: uh standing there looking at us, and I was like,
• 1:45:40
  Speaker 2: do I call him out right now and bring up
• 1:45:42
  Speaker 2: Dan Reeves?
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  Speaker 1: Who was?
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  Speaker 5: And I didn't do it?
• 1:45:44
  Speaker 1: But Aaron's I mean you, why didn't you do it?
• 1:45:46
  Speaker 2: Like you wanted me to be? Like, oh, who's talking
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 2: about Dan?
• 1:45:48
  Speaker 1: Reason? Yeah, Aaron, Aaron loves him. Ryan at Colorado, he says,
• 1:45:52
  Speaker 1: you got interview, by the way, was Ryan And Colorado says,
• 1:45:58
  Speaker 1: you guys are missing the possibility that Bill will bring
• 1:46:01
  Speaker 1: back McDaniels to be the defensive court.
• 1:46:07
  Speaker 5: From a different Is that from Johnny south Beach? That
• 1:46:11
  Speaker 5: was right up his alley.
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  Speaker 9: Let's go to Eldred.
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  Speaker 1: What's up Eldred? Oh?
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  Speaker 9: Aldred?
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  Speaker 24: Hey, fellas, I'm gonna take my lump, but I still
• 1:46:21
  Speaker 24: would take it and do Yeah, like I said, man,
• 1:46:25
  Speaker 24: I love you. Why do you want to keep the
• 1:46:27
  Speaker 24: same treat with Braverel, Raverel or anybody else? I'm like, oh,
• 1:46:32
  Speaker 24: and Tamir, bring somebody's office of mind and get a quarterback.
• 1:46:36
  Speaker 24: Try to get one and just go to work, you know,
• 1:46:39
  Speaker 24: do it differently. You know, change is better and twenty
• 1:46:42
  Speaker 24: four years and this was great, but y'all keep like Evan,
• 1:46:45
  Speaker 24: I know you keep saying he's the greatest coach of
• 1:46:48
  Speaker 24: all time. He also had the greatest.
• 1:46:49
  Speaker 1: Play off all time.
• 1:46:50
  Speaker 24: And I'm gonna keep throwing that in there, because when
• 1:46:53
  Speaker 24: he left thing fell apart. Before he got him, things
• 1:46:56
  Speaker 24: were falling apart. So the middle is in the middle.
• 1:47:00
  Speaker 24: But like I said, I wish to do some because
• 1:47:03
  Speaker 24: the network they keep saying braveryl might come to New
• 1:47:07
  Speaker 24: England the head coach, and that would be a big mistake.
• 1:47:09
  Speaker 24: I think, So what do you all think.
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  Speaker 5: I think it's a possibility.
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  Speaker 2: I think it's possibility.
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  Speaker 1: I don't. I don't know.
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  Speaker 2: It's also just like, you know, getting so carried away
• 1:47:17
  Speaker 2: with with the offensive coach. It's like, you know, I've
• 1:47:19
  Speaker 2: heard nothing, but people call in and give Tom Brady
• 1:47:21
  Speaker 2: all the credit, you know, and it's like, can't you
• 1:47:24
  Speaker 2: get a player that can transcend who his offensive coordinator
• 1:47:26
  Speaker 2: is or who his coach is like?
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  Speaker 5: And I would also say that just because he's a
• 1:47:30
  Speaker 5: defensive mind the point that Mike keeps making that's accurate.
• 1:47:33
  Speaker 5: This doesn't mean he can't put together a good offensive
• 1:47:35
  Speaker 5: staff and allow that offense to be different. I just
• 1:47:38
  Speaker 5: want I just want a different style of play. Yeah, Yeah,
• 1:47:42
  Speaker 5: that's all. I don't want someone who's trying to win
• 1:47:44
  Speaker 5: with defense, I hear it.
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  Speaker 24: Yeah, yeah, one more question, one more question? Okay, yeah
• 1:47:50
  Speaker 24: about keeps saying bringing in a big dang. Okay, what's
• 1:47:53
  Speaker 24: wrong with Bill O'Brien And maybe maybe a Bill did
• 1:47:57
  Speaker 24: give him nut just didn't run just the net see it?
• 1:48:00
  Speaker 24: What about get him let him go? Could it be
• 1:48:03
  Speaker 24: even better? Is the coordinator?
• 1:48:07
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not. I think that's on the time.
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  Speaker 2: I'm not opposed to that. I I just think there
• 1:48:11
  Speaker 2: needs to be some changes because generally speaking with the
• 1:48:14
  Speaker 2: staff of the majority of it that stayed the same
• 1:48:16
  Speaker 2: over the last few years, it's looked the same as
• 1:48:18
  Speaker 2: far as player developments, the worst offense in football likely exactly.
• 1:48:22
  Speaker 24: So it's why would you keep them? Yeah?
• 1:48:25
  Speaker 9: I to the for me personally, the to the like
• 1:48:29
  Speaker 9: comfort level with the coaching tree and all that stuff.
• 1:48:31
  Speaker 9: That's more like coping because I just I just know
• 1:48:34
  Speaker 9: that they're not going to hire some random person that's
• 1:48:37
  Speaker 9: never been here before like I did.
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  Speaker 5: It's just not going to happen like I.
• 1:48:40
  Speaker 9: I You're probably right, and so that's why I I've
• 1:48:43
  Speaker 9: just Okay, well, what's who's my favorite out of the
• 1:48:46
  Speaker 9: guys that I know are on the list. Like last
• 1:48:49
  Speaker 9: year with the offensive coordinator thing, was Bill O'Brien really
• 1:48:52
  Speaker 9: the best guy for the job or did we just
• 1:48:54
  Speaker 9: all know that that's who was going to be because
• 1:48:56
  Speaker 9: of the ties to the organization. And I feel the
• 1:48:58
  Speaker 9: same way about head coach. Like as much as I
• 1:49:00
  Speaker 9: want to sit here and pound the table for Ben
• 1:49:02
  Speaker 9: Johnson or pound the table for Bobby Slowick, which would
• 1:49:05
  Speaker 9: be Paul's thing, which would be different and innovative and
• 1:49:08
  Speaker 9: all that stuff, like, I just I don't think they'll
• 1:49:11
  Speaker 9: do it.
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  Speaker 1: I think there are planes taking off above us Bill
• 1:49:15
  Speaker 1: and San Diego. Why the hell would anyone be in
• 1:49:18
  Speaker 1: on Mike Rabel. Paul literally said it. Tennessee is basically
• 1:49:21
  Speaker 1: the same team as New England right now, So why
• 1:49:23
  Speaker 1: the hell would Rabel bring any more success here than
• 1:49:26
  Speaker 1: he did there. It's absolute insanity. The game has changed,
• 1:49:30
  Speaker 1: It's time to change the way we do business in
• 1:49:32
  Speaker 1: that building. You can subm in Mayo's name here too,
• 1:49:35
  Speaker 1: by the way.
• 1:49:36
  Speaker 5: Yeah, but how do we know how Mayo coaches? Yeah?
• 1:49:39
  Speaker 9: From what I've heard that Mayo is not like people
• 1:49:42
  Speaker 9: have the wrong idea of Like I feel like people say.
• 1:49:44
  Speaker 5: This NBC Sports Boston guys, No, is that what they said? Yeah,
• 1:49:48
  Speaker 5: they go to great Lands to tell you how different
• 1:49:50
  Speaker 5: he is. I don't know.
• 1:49:53
  Speaker 9: I just you know, before the season ended, I figured
• 1:49:55
  Speaker 9: that Mayo might be the next guy. So I went
• 1:49:57
  Speaker 9: around the locker room and asked a bunch of the
• 1:49:58
  Speaker 9: guys just about Mayo, and all of them, like so
• 1:50:02
  Speaker 9: many of them use the words players, coach, like I could.
• 1:50:05
  Speaker 9: I probably talked to ten guys and eight of them
• 1:50:08
  Speaker 9: use the words players, coach and relatable and you know
• 1:50:13
  Speaker 9: that he's been here before like himself, so he can
• 1:50:16
  Speaker 9: he can relate on that level and just so much
• 1:50:19
  Speaker 9: like a softer personality than Bill.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 1: Like.
• 1:50:22
  Speaker 9: I just don't think that maybe their mindset of football
• 1:50:25
  Speaker 9: and like x's and o's and stuff like that might
• 1:50:27
  Speaker 9: be the same or might be aligned, but in terms
• 1:50:30
  Speaker 9: of the personality, I truly do think that they're different people.
• 1:50:33
  Speaker 1: Alex and Raleigh North Carolina Happy first off season show.
• 1:50:37
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna put a name to the claim that I
• 1:50:39
  Speaker 1: don't want JJ McCarthy because he is Max Jones two
• 1:50:43
  Speaker 1: point zero. No, thanks, get us a quarterback that can
• 1:50:46
  Speaker 1: move Daniels Pennix Williams when it was a high ceiling.
• 1:50:49
  Speaker 1: This is gonna be an interesting offseason. I think Bill
• 1:50:51
  Speaker 1: will end up coming back after everything. Paul is one
• 1:50:54
  Speaker 1: hundred percent right, he said, if we collectively agree. He
• 1:50:57
  Speaker 1: laid out everything in his Monday monologue. It was a
• 1:51:00
  Speaker 1: very pointed speech. Since it's the offseason for any new
• 1:51:03
  Speaker 1: invention ideas, we want to workshop this offseason something we'll
• 1:51:07
  Speaker 1: have time for that. We'll have time for that.
• 1:51:09
  Speaker 5: Yeah, McCarthy can move Okay, By the way, I do
• 1:51:13
  Speaker 5: think the comparison to Mac is similar. I don't think
• 1:51:17
  Speaker 5: that he was I don't think he was needed to
• 1:51:19
  Speaker 5: do a whole lot with a team that was really,
• 1:51:21
  Speaker 5: really talented. And some people have said and Evan would
• 1:51:24
  Speaker 5: know more about this than I would. I think Harbaugh
• 1:51:26
  Speaker 5: has been quoted as saying they will break the record
• 1:51:28
  Speaker 5: for the amount of drafted players on this team.
• 1:51:30
  Speaker 9: It's possible. I mean, maybe not this year, but like
• 1:51:34
  Speaker 9: the team, yeah, of the next couple with McCarthy, though
• 1:51:38
  Speaker 9: his skill set's much much different from Max. I agree
• 1:51:41
  Speaker 9: he's more toolsy than Mac Jones was, but way less accurate.
• 1:51:45
  Speaker 5: And better arm and definitely better athletics.
• 1:51:47
  Speaker 9: Yeah, but not as pure as a processor as Mac
• 1:51:50
  Speaker 9: Jones is. I actually think if you want to make
• 1:51:53
  Speaker 9: a comp like to Ma, like Pennix is on, it
• 1:51:56
  Speaker 9: is not that far off, I would say, in some
• 1:51:58
  Speaker 9: respects from what Mac was in college.
• 1:52:01
  Speaker 1: Elder just crashed and I don't know another much.
• 1:52:04
  Speaker 9: Better better arm, better arm for sure, but even last
• 1:52:08
  Speaker 9: night when it's off platform, it didn't look that much better.
• 1:52:11
  Speaker 5: I don't think. I don't think he's a great runner.
• 1:52:13
  Speaker 9: Great, yeah, but he's not a mobile guy. He's not
• 1:52:16
  Speaker 9: a great mover in the pocket. And uh and you
• 1:52:19
  Speaker 9: know he's propped up by Romadonsay and Polk and Mitchell
• 1:52:24
  Speaker 9: and three top one hundred wide receivers. Like there's there's
• 1:52:28
  Speaker 9: some comps there too. That was my whole thing with
• 1:52:30
  Speaker 9: Eldrid last week was I got to see him against
• 1:52:32
  Speaker 9: Michigan first, because maybe it is just that Roma Dunsay
• 1:52:36
  Speaker 9: is that much better than the cornerbacks on Texas and
• 1:52:39
  Speaker 9: he's just out there making making plays and that sort
• 1:52:42
  Speaker 9: of what happened last night.
• 1:52:45
  Speaker 1: So Deuce, it's gotten around that you don't like McDonald's
• 1:52:48
  Speaker 1: at all.
• 1:52:50
  Speaker 5: He hasn't been in like twenty years.
• 1:52:51
  Speaker 1: Jacob from Nashville says, I love duce, but can't trust
• 1:52:54
  Speaker 1: anyone who doesn't eat McDonald's. Check his basement.
• 1:52:57
  Speaker 9: You don't like McDonald's.
• 1:52:59
  Speaker 2: Not that I don't like it, I just I don't
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 2: eat there.
• 1:53:01
  Speaker 4: Well, the bigger problem is his kids are scared of it.
• 1:53:05
  Speaker 1: That might we did.
• 1:53:06
  Speaker 2: We did instill the fear of McDonald's and my kids,
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 2: not really purposely.
• 1:53:09
  Speaker 9: But because of like nutrition reasons or no, we just.
• 1:53:12
  Speaker 1: Never really went there.
• 1:53:13
  Speaker 5: And I don't know because of the clown. Then the
• 1:53:15
  Speaker 5: clown did.
• 1:53:16
  Speaker 2: Scare me not But look, I'm gonna do it sometime
• 1:53:21
  Speaker 2: this off season. I'll go at lunching. I'll get while
• 1:53:23
  Speaker 2: crushing McChicken sandwich free. Also you know that that I'm okay?
• 1:53:26
  Speaker 5: So you know number one bigger nugs big. I'll do
• 1:53:29
  Speaker 5: a big nug too.
• 1:53:31
  Speaker 9: I think the fries and McDonald's are still one one.
• 1:53:33
  Speaker 5: I do like.
• 1:53:34
  Speaker 9: I like Chick fil A has got good fries too,
• 1:53:37
  Speaker 9: fast food fries.
• 1:53:38
  Speaker 2: I think there's still the I still love in and
• 1:53:40
  Speaker 2: out fries so well that doesn't count, I know, but
• 1:53:43
  Speaker 2: I love them.
• 1:53:44
  Speaker 1: Dan of Virginia and Michigan, he says Pennix's stock is rising.
• 1:53:49
  Speaker 1: It might be against conventional wisdom. But after last night's game,
• 1:53:52
  Speaker 1: I think Pennix would be the perfect quarterback for the Patriots,
• 1:53:55
  Speaker 1: given the performance of Washington's old line against Michigan, the
• 1:53:58
  Speaker 1: situation that the Patriots should be all too familiar for Pennies.
• 1:54:01
  Speaker 1: Looks like he has a strong arm too. By the
• 1:54:04
  Speaker 1: time he was done running backwards away from the Michigan defense,
• 1:54:06
  Speaker 1: and every play, every pass he made was a downfield
• 1:54:09
  Speaker 1: throw just to get back to the line of scrimmage.
• 1:54:12
  Speaker 1: So that's a little sarcast it's not funny. Williams in
• 1:54:18
  Speaker 1: philam what's up? Will? What's up? All right? All right,
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 1: all right?
• 1:54:24
  Speaker 24: Just three questions that the show about dance just.
• 1:54:29
  Speaker 22: And one for Paul.
• 1:54:35
  Speaker 11: Look.
• 1:54:36
  Speaker 7: I like Williams May and also Dames. But why is
• 1:54:39
  Speaker 7: so much push back on Drake May.
• 1:54:43
  Speaker 5: I like Drake May.
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 16: You dreams?
• 1:54:45
  Speaker 5: Okay, Yeah, I like Drake. I think Drake Drake May
• 1:54:48
  Speaker 5: has a little Josh Allen in him. Now you could say,
• 1:54:50
  Speaker 5: like that's good or bad.
• 1:54:51
  Speaker 1: But doesn't he also have the most unknown because of competition.
• 1:54:57
  Speaker 9: I guess you could look at it that way.
• 1:54:59
  Speaker 5: I mean, I you played in the a CEC. It's
• 1:55:01
  Speaker 5: not like he played like Tennessee Chattanooga and he was
• 1:55:04
  Speaker 5: a one year starter.
• 1:55:05
  Speaker 9: Right, no, no, no, no to your starter. But I
• 1:55:08
  Speaker 9: agree with you that the AEC the ACC.
• 1:55:10
  Speaker 5: Is not as good as the SEC in the Big ten.
• 1:55:11
  Speaker 5: I don't think that this year the PAC twelve was
• 1:55:15
  Speaker 5: maybe better than all.
• 1:55:16
  Speaker 9: Of them, well except the champion apparently right now.
• 1:55:19
  Speaker 5: But that's one team. But I like Drake May. I
• 1:55:24
  Speaker 5: mean I wouldn't be a no on Drake May.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 1: I wouldn't either.
• 1:55:26
  Speaker 7: But I'm not allowed to answer this, all right, I'm
• 1:55:30
  Speaker 7: just the last two crunch five minutes. Sorry, How did
• 1:55:33
  Speaker 7: you feel about the Michigan running backs and what would
• 1:55:35
  Speaker 7: you do with the number three pick?
• 1:55:38
  Speaker 9: Okay, okay, I feel like you're trolling me with the
• 1:55:41
  Speaker 9: Michigan running backs because this is it. I knew you were.
• 1:55:44
  Speaker 9: I knew you were because this is a catch twenty
• 1:55:46
  Speaker 9: two thing that I refuse to talk about running backs.
• 1:55:50
  Speaker 9: I refuse, no, no, And you do running backs on
• 1:55:53
  Speaker 9: your own time, like if the Patriots touch a running
• 1:55:56
  Speaker 9: back in the top one fifty, I will be pissed, like,
• 1:55:58
  Speaker 9: don't know.
• 1:55:59
  Speaker 1: No, no, If Christian McCaffrey for Stanford was available, you
• 1:56:02
  Speaker 1: wouldn't talk about.
• 1:56:03
  Speaker 9: No, because I'm if they take him a third three overall,
• 1:56:06
  Speaker 9: then we're we're screwed, Like you might as well just
• 1:56:08
  Speaker 9: pick next year top three again, like why don't we
• 1:56:11
  Speaker 9: just keep picking in the top three if you want
• 1:56:12
  Speaker 9: to pick as such as that don't matter.
• 1:56:15
  Speaker 14: No, definitely not Like.
• 1:56:17
  Speaker 9: Okay, well so there, so Blake Koram is going to
• 1:56:20
  Speaker 9: go in the top one hundred, probably in the somewhere
• 1:56:22
  Speaker 9: in the third round.
• 1:56:23
  Speaker 5: I would say player for somebody. Yeah, the other back.
• 1:56:27
  Speaker 9: Might be more in there in that like fourth and
• 1:56:30
  Speaker 9: fifth round territory that they could get him early day
• 1:56:32
  Speaker 9: three Edwards yep, and maybe maybe that would be doable.
• 1:56:37
  Speaker 9: But yeah, I've not taken any running backs before the
• 1:56:39
  Speaker 9: fourth round. If I'm the Patriots, I can see the
• 1:56:41
  Speaker 9: need like in general, but if a third overall pick,
• 1:56:46
  Speaker 9: I am starting to come around. But to to Jayden Daniels,
• 1:56:50
  Speaker 9: maybe that's also coping for the fact that they're going
• 1:56:52
  Speaker 9: to miss the two first two guys. So that's kind
• 1:56:55
  Speaker 9: of the guy that's left at the table. But I
• 1:56:57
  Speaker 9: really do like a lot of things about the idea
• 1:57:00
  Speaker 9: of Jaden Daniels and find like you want to modernize
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  Speaker 9: the offense, like finally get somebody that can play eleven
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  Speaker 9: on eleven and run around a bit.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, I know we'll know before then, but I
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  Speaker 1: would just be more comfortable knowing who's going to be
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  Speaker 1: Jade and Daniels coach, and what kind of offense.
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  Speaker 9: He's going to be yeah, you know, running, yeah, and
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  Speaker 9: all that stuff, because he does have you know, some
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  Speaker 9: processing issues. I seen you know, things in the middle
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  Speaker 9: of the field. No, I don't think he'll be one
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  Speaker 9: hundred percent ready. I think that every single quarterback. The
• 1:57:30
  Speaker 9: way I look at it right now is all all
• 1:57:32
  Speaker 9: these guys every there's no perfect prospects, so all of
• 1:57:35
  Speaker 9: them have flaws, and so I guess the question really
• 1:57:38
  Speaker 9: is is like which flaws do you care the least about?
• 1:57:41
  Speaker 9: You know, a guy like Caleb Williams, he wants to
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  Speaker 9: hold the ball and run around and create extended plays,
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  Speaker 9: and he's got a ton of fumbles in Sackson College
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  Speaker 9: as a result. Drake may is Josh Allen, Like, I
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  Speaker 9: think that's a really nice comp coming out of Wyoming
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  Speaker 9: that sometimes the ball just is all over the place,
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  Speaker 9: Like he'll just throw these back that are ten yards
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  Speaker 9: over the guy's head and you're just like whoa, Like,
• 1:58:03
  Speaker 9: where did that come from. And then Jaden Daniels I
• 1:58:05
  Speaker 9: think is a little bit of a developmental project as
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  Speaker 9: a passer right now. So which one do you want
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  Speaker 9: to work with?
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  Speaker 2: That's what's well, that's what I kind of find myself
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  Speaker 2: not wanting to work with. Is trying to develop a
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  Speaker 2: guy who's a great athlete and teach him how to
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  Speaker 2: throw like that. Just generally, that to me seems like
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  Speaker 2: a huge ask. I would rather just go with a
• 1:58:22
  Speaker 2: guy who at least can throw and can run a
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  Speaker 2: little bit, then have to get a guy and teach
• 1:58:27
  Speaker 2: him how to pass.
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  Speaker 9: So I would say that Jaden Daniels' issues as a
• 1:58:30
  Speaker 9: passer are more mental, Like physically, I think he's got
• 1:58:34
  Speaker 9: really consistent release point and like really does well with
• 1:58:37
  Speaker 9: his mechanics for the most part. Drake May, I'd be
• 1:58:40
  Speaker 9: more concerned about his footwork and his antsying this a
• 1:58:43
  Speaker 9: little bit with his feet than that. But is his
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  Speaker 9: own thing, like Caleb just does it different.
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  Speaker 5: He's got the Mahome stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, But I almost mean it more of like philosophically,
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  Speaker 2: like is this guy going into a game saying I'm
• 1:58:54
  Speaker 2: going to beat them with my arm or is this
• 1:58:56
  Speaker 2: guy going to go into the game and say I'm
• 1:58:58
  Speaker 2: going to run.
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  Speaker 5: Can I change parameters a little bit? You said you
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  Speaker 5: don't want a guy that runs around that that he
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  Speaker 5: can't throw, And then you said, I'd rather have a
• 1:59:09
  Speaker 5: guy who can run a little bit and throw. Well,
• 1:59:11
  Speaker 5: just would you, reckondary, would you rather have a guy
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  Speaker 5: that is a great pocket passer but he can't run,
• 1:59:18
  Speaker 5: or a guy who can run but is a project
• 1:59:20
  Speaker 5: throw don't say, because everybody would rather have the guy
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  Speaker 5: who's a great passer who can also run a little
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  Speaker 5: bit when needed.
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  Speaker 2: I totally hear what you're saying.
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  Speaker 5: And let's take let's make a mac Jones and say
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  Speaker 5: that he's just a pocket guy and he can't run.
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  Speaker 2: Then I'd lean towards the mac Jones. As much as
• 1:59:35
  Speaker 2: we've seen those words.
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  Speaker 5: I would lean toward the Jayden Daniels. I'll teach him
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  Speaker 5: how to throw. He can make plays to get himself
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  Speaker 5: out of it.
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  Speaker 2: And I don't have ready examples off the top of
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  Speaker 2: my head though. But like other than Lamar, who have
• 1:59:45
  Speaker 2: been the great runners that have really settled into to be.
• 1:59:49
  Speaker 5: We're just figuring it out right. I think Jalen hurts
• 1:59:51
  Speaker 5: when he came out of the I watched Jalen Hurts
• 1:59:53
  Speaker 5: a lot in college, and I never would have guessed
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  Speaker 5: he could throw the ball as well as he has
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  Speaker 5: in the NFL.
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  Speaker 9: Yeah, I think you can do it.
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  Speaker 5: I think.
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  Speaker 9: I think a big thing that you see with Jaden
• 2:00:02
  Speaker 9: Daniels is that he'll have guys open on the field
• 2:00:06
  Speaker 9: and opt to run, and sometimes he'll like pass up
• 2:00:10
  Speaker 9: a crossing route that's open that would probably gain fifteen
• 2:00:13
  Speaker 9: yards and he scores a fifty yard touchdown with his legs.
• 2:00:16
  Speaker 9: So it's like, do you fault him for passing up
• 2:00:18
  Speaker 9: the crosser when he knows that he can that he's
• 2:00:21
  Speaker 9: going to have to figure out that he ain't running
• 2:00:22
  Speaker 9: for fifty yard touchdowns, right, because you know, teams will
• 2:00:25
  Speaker 9: play man coverage down the field, nobody's on the quarterback,
• 2:00:27
  Speaker 9: and then here comes your your quarterback, you know, just
• 2:00:30
  Speaker 9: running Like against Florida, he had like two hundred yards
• 2:00:33
  Speaker 9: rushing on that you know in Alabama.
• 2:00:35
  Speaker 5: It's like a city game, yeah Florida, Yeah, And like
• 2:00:38
  Speaker 5: you know, it's.
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  Speaker 9: The same thing. It's just like he's passing up reads
• 2:00:41
  Speaker 9: down the field, yes, but he's passing them up to
• 2:00:45
  Speaker 9: run all over the place and it's like, which one
• 2:00:47
  Speaker 9: would you rather? I think with Drake may he has
• 2:00:50
  Speaker 9: consistency issues as a as a thrower, but he's more
• 2:00:54
  Speaker 9: you can tell that he's like his processes is smarter,
• 2:00:57
  Speaker 9: Like he can tell that he's he's understanding. Okay, if
• 2:01:00
  Speaker 9: I look over here and pump there, and then that's
• 2:01:02
  Speaker 9: gonna move this guy. And then I'm gonna come back
• 2:01:03
  Speaker 9: to this throw and I'm gonna hit it here, buddy,
• 2:01:06
  Speaker 9: the ball is just ball placements more inconsistent.
• 2:01:08
  Speaker 2: So that's what I've liked about Drake Mayon a little
• 2:01:10
  Speaker 2: bit i've watched him so far, just that he does
• 2:01:12
  Speaker 2: have that athleticism, you know, the run for it, but
• 2:01:14
  Speaker 2: not so much that his mind is kind of poisoned
• 2:01:16
  Speaker 2: into thinking like that's the first thought to run. I mean,
• 2:01:20
  Speaker 2: I know there's a million ways to skin a cat, but.
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