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Emma McLean: employment expert on how Kiwis can handle 'broken' job market · Best of Business

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  Speaker 1: You're listening to a podcast from News Talk ZB Follow
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  Speaker 2: The job market is particularly difficult for many people right now.
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  Speaker 2: More competition and changing technology is adding to the sense
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  Speaker 2: of frustration many are feeling were trying to secure work.
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  Speaker 2: So how do you stand out to discuss? We're joined
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  Speaker 2: by employment expert and founder of Works for Everyone, Emma McLean.
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  Speaker 2: Get a Emma, how are you cure d Koto?
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  Speaker 3: I am good, Thank you.
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  Speaker 4: When can the job apps become a problem?
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  Speaker 1: Emma?
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  Speaker 3: Well, first of all, I just want to prep everything
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  Speaker 3: I say by it's saying that I don't want to
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  Speaker 3: revialize or underestimate how mentally and emotionally tough finding a
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  Speaker 3: job is right now. I want to say that because
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  Speaker 3: I don't want people to think that I think it's
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  Speaker 3: so easy. It is brutal. So everyone listening out there,
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  Speaker 3: I just want to acknowledge you. I think when the
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  Speaker 3: job apps become a problem is when you are just
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  Speaker 3: scrolling through them all the time, refreshing, refreshing, and you
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  Speaker 3: can't see how you're ever going to get a job.
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  Speaker 3: You can't see, particularly for people that want maybe hours
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  Speaker 3: that are not the norm. Maybe locations that are not
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  Speaker 3: the norm. It can just be deeply depressing to have
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  Speaker 3: it in the part of your hand. Twenty four to seven.
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  Speaker 3: This thought of this is never going to work.
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  Speaker 4: So you're not saying get rid of the online part
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  Speaker 4: of job searching. You're just saying, just look at go
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  Speaker 4: go to the browser a couple of times a day.
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  Speaker 3: I mean a lot of my clients you sort of
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  Speaker 3: try to see job hunting as a job, just so
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  Speaker 3: like do it during the day, and do it on
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  Speaker 3: a desktop, do it on your laptop. But I just
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  Speaker 3: think it's apps appear so tending and so easy, and
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  Speaker 3: even the new ones that have launched to claim to
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  Speaker 3: revolutionize job hunting, I mean maybe from the employer's perspective,
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  Speaker 3: but from the candidate's perspective, this is nextly hard.
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  Speaker 4: Still doom scrolling employment opportunities that may or may not
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  Speaker 4: be relevant to you at all.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly. So.
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  Speaker 2: Networking is clearly a big part of it that you've
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  Speaker 2: mentioned before, Emma, and it was something that many people
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  Speaker 2: fell back on in decades past. But what is if
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  Speaker 2: someone doesn't have a big network or they're not sure
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  Speaker 2: where to start, what is the best tip for extending
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  Speaker 2: that Netwo network out of meeting new people.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a great idea. Be more human. Talk to people,
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  Speaker 3: talk to people in supermarket lines, talk to people at
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  Speaker 3: the bus stop. But you know, I tell you where
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  Speaker 3: opportunities come from the most unlikely places, and people hire people.
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  Speaker 3: I'll give you an example. I used to run my
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  Speaker 3: kids school fear. In fact, Matt Keith was one of
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  Speaker 3: the parents, and Matt Heath was one of the parents
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  Speaker 3: at my kid's school Fear.
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  Speaker 4: But memps.
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  Speaker 3: Important.
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  Speaker 1: He was very important disco.
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  Speaker 4: I was running the bubble disco.
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  Speaker 2: Probably that's our job expected.
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  Speaker 3: So I used to run the Sophia. I am that
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  Speaker 3: PTA mother. But I extend I extended my network so
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  Speaker 3: much through that. I met people and really I started
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  Speaker 3: my business about seven years ago, and through those contacts
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  Speaker 3: I got clients. Now, who would have thought you would
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  Speaker 3: get job opportunity to putting your hand up to run
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  Speaker 3: the bubble disco. Do you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah, because you hear from someone who
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  Speaker 4: knows someone that that that might have this, that might
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  Speaker 4: lead to something like that.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, because you know people by people. I mean another example,
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  Speaker 3: and I think you know, look if you're listening to
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  Speaker 3: this and you already have a job, and it's not
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  Speaker 3: a problem. Build your network now, right, You know, you
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  Speaker 3: always need your network often when you don't have it. So,
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  Speaker 3: for example, he's a really tangible idea. If you have
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  Speaker 3: a manager at your work or someone you work with
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  Speaker 3: who really rates you, who you really connect with, and
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  Speaker 3: then they leave. Before they leave, go up to them
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  Speaker 3: and say, hey, Tyler, I have really enjoyed working with you.
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  Speaker 3: You've made a big impact on my career. And I
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  Speaker 3: want to say thank you.
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  Speaker 2: All I ever want to hear.
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  Speaker 3: Never and Tyler will he will always take my call. Right,
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  Speaker 3: I'm going to stalk you now, Tyler. But I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I think we have to think like humans in the
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  Speaker 3: age of AI, which brings so much opportunities. What is
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  Speaker 3: defensible as being a human And I think we need
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  Speaker 3: to be human in this brutal job market. And I
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  Speaker 3: know it's cringey, and I know reaching up people is hard,
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  Speaker 3: but choose your herd, you know what I mean?
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  Speaker 4: Yeah? And speaking of being human, how do you deal
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  Speaker 4: with the rejection? How do you not take it personally?
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  Speaker 4: When you're applying for job, applying for job and you
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  Speaker 4: just keep getting rejected.
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  Speaker 3: It is man, how do you not that personally right?
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  Speaker 3: Because you're putting yourself out there. It is hard. I
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  Speaker 3: think surround yourself with kindness, surround yourself with people that
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  Speaker 3: love you, put lots of care apps around yourself. When
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  Speaker 3: you are on this roller coaster. You are human. Humans
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  Speaker 3: has feelings, and I think we need to be real
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  Speaker 3: that it is really hard. Find someone to talk to
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  Speaker 3: that you can share the highs and the loads with.
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  Speaker 3: But don't pretend you're just fine.
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  Speaker 4: Right, And when you're talking to that person about the
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  Speaker 4: highs and lowers, they might go ithly. I know a
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  Speaker 4: guy whose whose wife is running a company and she's
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  Speaker 4: actually looking for someone.
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  Speaker 3: And I think the key thing here is be clear
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  Speaker 3: on the value you deliver to an organization. Don't just
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  Speaker 3: say I'm looking for a customer service role. So to
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  Speaker 3: say look, and I know this sounds wanky, and even
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  Speaker 3: if I can say that word, but you could say,
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  Speaker 3: you could say, look at the heart of my careers
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  Speaker 3: or jobs today has been customers. I love solving customer problems.
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  Speaker 3: I'm looking for and roll where I can really put
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  Speaker 3: the strength to play. Now that helps me. If I'm
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  Speaker 3: your butt, your mate and I can think, oh, well, actually,
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  Speaker 3: my friends just open to restaurant. Maybe you should go
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  Speaker 3: and talk to them, because I think, you know, we
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  Speaker 3: all want to We want to have people working for
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  Speaker 3: us that we can trust and that are proactive, So
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  Speaker 3: demonstrate that in your job search.
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  Speaker 1: Emma.
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  Speaker 2: It's hopeful advice, and we've got a lot of listeners
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  Speaker 2: and a lot of people calling through, So thank you
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  Speaker 2: very much for having a chat with us, and hopefully
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  Speaker 2: we'll catch up again soon. That is Emma McLain, employment
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  Speaker 2: expert and founder of Works for Everyone.
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