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Pope Head | Mystical Toponomy, Occult Geographies, & The Great Polar Myth · The Higherside Chats

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  and buried, but with the slightest sign of
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  lost just yet. Well, today's guest might be
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  able to help us out. He goes only
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  by pope and he has taken the seemingly
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  separate echoes in wi of several persistent stories
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  of humanity that a persevere through time and
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  space
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  and connected them in coherent ways that gives
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  new transfers to the weaken segments of the
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  signal and lays out a model that I
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  imagine you will consider quite compelling.
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  For the inner unaware is the anonymous writer
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  and self proclaimed Gon pap historian of the
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  pope head post via a subs,
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  which he refers to as a newsletter about
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  people history and deep top
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  that also exposes the mason and the j.
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  But he also writes about things like the
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  the true nature of Ufo, mass, occult rituals
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  of the parasite class, icon, and symbolism, hollow
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  earth, sporting events, cataclysm, pull shifts, the A
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  and several other subject areas where our obscure
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  and bizarre interest overlap. Hallelujah people. Let's go
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  the Gon
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  historian dedicated dot connect and great mystery reveal
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  pope,
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  welcome to the higher side.
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  Hey, it's great to be here, man, and
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  thank you once again for that great introduction.
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  During I'm flattered.
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  I try. And thanks for taking the time.
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  It was after a few interviews with our
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  mutual friend schwab that he recommended. I take
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  a look at. Your subs if I was
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  interested in some schwab adjacent takes on similar
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  subjects. And you and I started talking about
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  an interview, over a year ago, and then
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  your Twitter account was banned, and only recently
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  do we make contact again. And in that
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  time, you've started this series
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  between Za and S that I really love
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  and is probably gonna take up the bulk
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  of our time together, but I wanted to
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  start by introducing people to your perspective d
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  and ways of seen things. You have a
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  post titled unreal reality nature loves to hide
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  and you write a few things that I
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  think make a good place to start. Jumping
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  around a little bit, you say,
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  once upon a time, I struck a certain
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  unspoken deal with the world around me, I
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  swore oath, a covenant of sorts. That in
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  ina and slippery intelligence that surrounds all things.
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  A promise that I would devote my days
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  is to trans figuring the quota
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  into the uncanny. So Mystic is nothing more
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  than the ability to interact and perceive the
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  ordinary,
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  extraordinarily
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  to meet the dawn with a certain conviction
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  a resolve
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  to see beyond the dark sheet of daily
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  life, past routine and glimpse the world with
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  a fresh wonder and terror
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  To understand this world, you must grasp the
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  fact that everything is in flux and that
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  all things transform
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  that beans come in and out of existence
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  in the blink of an eye Most men
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  just lack the will to notice. I have
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  seen birds manifest in the sky and disappear
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  into thin air. I have watched monstrous men
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  walk, behind me down a dark alley and
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  disappear through a dead end. Once you realize
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  these things, life becomes a little more sensible
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  Once you grasp the am logic that orders
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  are waking forms and energy, the world may
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  finally open up to your inquiries.
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  Well, I love that, but elaborate a little
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  bit more on these
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  realizations and the insightful,
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  experiences that have opened you up to these
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  perspectives.
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  Well, I'll put it this way. Ever since
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  I was a child. It was always kind
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  of an odd duck.
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  And this kind of weirdness is underlying kind
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  of strange
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  I eventually came to embrace.
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  This strange
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  overlap
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  between all of our kind of mutual interests.
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  These kind of spheres we have going and
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  the uncanny, the strange.
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  The esoteric, a occult, whether it's alien
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  fascination
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  or just a healthy interest in.
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  These These things first began the interest me
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  as a child, both my parents
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  had
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  very strong haunted house experiences as a kid.
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  This is something I'd hear about from my
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  father
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  without revealing too much here in do myself.
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  My mother was the
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  child of a diplomat in East Asia.
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  They lived in a...
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  As my grandfather would put it, I don't
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  believe in ghosts, but I lived in a
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  haunted house,
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  and I was kind of I guess nurse
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  on these stories growing up,
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  that same grandfather had a
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  very large collection of, let's say East Asian,
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  anti
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  gods that he collected during his diplomatic career,
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  you know, I grew up,
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  going over this house, the only these
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  hundreds of
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  Taiwanese folk gods staring down at May these
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  are devastation things he had. And this really
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  sparked this interest.
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  Just in the strange.
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  Or I guess you could put it or
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  this kind of religious impulse.
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  And then, I guess when I got older,
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  I developed this kind of
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  Because you see almost... What I thought was
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  Ocd this kind of intense
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  obsession with
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  numbers and sign. It sounds a bit sc
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  schizophrenia putting it this way, but it was
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  really just this very kind of intense
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  fascination,
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  with symbols,
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  what the world could kind of reveal in
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  front of me?
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  Now,
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  my rein reproduction, I guess, when I I
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  really got into this kind of stuff was
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  basically my viewpoint.
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  For how I see things.
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  If we're gonna tie this all in together.
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  I guess you could say I'm a meta
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  physical realist in the sense that I believe
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  whether you could call it God where the
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  gods, these are objective
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  entities. These things
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  exist,
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  fairies,
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  you know, any kind of variety of
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  super sensory
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  I think these things are just as real,
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  if not more real than human beings. I
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  think human beings
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  have a lot less
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  agency. The over our own lives in the
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  sense that
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  there is a kind of
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  downward
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  psycho drama kind of occurring around us,
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  all the time.
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  There's a great quote. I think this is
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  probably 1 of the best ways to explain
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  my own kind of perspective on things, and
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  it's from Jean Shelby Downer.
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  I'm king kill 33.
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  Because the dead and dead scenery of the
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  American City of Dreadful knight is so utterly
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  devoid a mystery, so thoroughly flat bullet,
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  Sterile and infant tile, so burdened with the
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  ill gloss of baseball hot dogs, Apple pie
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  and Chevrolet.
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  It is somehow outside the psycho sexual domain.
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  The eternal pagan and psycho
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  is escalated under these modern conditions,
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  precisely because so is not what twentieth century
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  man can accept as real.
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  I think that quote, basically is the best
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  introduction to my own kind of view
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  of
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  history events.
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  The world at large.
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  Mh.
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  Yes. There's a segment of researchers that call
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  themselves sync
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  and they kind of... Credit down as being
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  a big part of the foundation of that
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  community,
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  And I've tried to explain it to people
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  as cultural crime, but it does seem like
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  it kinda speaks to that quote you just
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  read that our current culture,
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  seems very
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  mundane and inn
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  and quite boring, but underneath it is a
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  current of
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  Esoteric ritual,
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  and it comes through in some films. Obviously,
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  Hollywood is a hot hotbed for this kind
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  of stuff. It comes through at ritual
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  events and
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  award shows and goddard tunnel ceremonies and all
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  sorts of strange stuff, and the common just
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  tends to ignore it, but you'll find that
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  these certain people with an knack for it
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  will,
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  weave a tapestry of symbols
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  and
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  intention
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  into what they're identifying as a mass ritual
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  and
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  it's hard to know how much is designed
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  by
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  a source class and how much is like,
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  the other side
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  communicating back because some of it gets really
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  complicated, but I was also gonna ask about
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  this because I know that along the way
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  with this journey of curiosity
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  in your life, you have dabble
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  with the occult this to a degree,
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  talk to us a bit about that chapter
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  of your life or really just what it
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  revealed to you about reality itself, because a
• 15:42
  lot of people, their interest and magic and
• 15:44
  the occult is very
• 15:47
  academic or scholar. We might read a lot
• 15:49
  about it, but not actually put it into
• 15:52
  practice. Is If you did put much of
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  this into practice,
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  what kind of successes did you have were
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  the doors of reality blown open for you?
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  Well, I will hold off, I'm going to
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  the exact detail Some of these experimentation, but
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  I will say this.
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  And to go back to the original question
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  you asked on that
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  quotation from my unreal article.
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  An incredible thing kind of happens.
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  When you set your intention on paying
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  complete mind
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  to say the strange rhymes.
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  That haunt your periphery on a day to
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  day basis.
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  When you really
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  make a commitment
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  to the strange
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  Especially let's say, in a city environment if
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  you're in an ancient city environment, I live
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  here in Rome,
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  you will tend to find some very strange
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  things
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  Either in areas of an urban environment where
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  there's nobody around
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  or when there's a ton of people around.
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  So there's the same kind of
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  where propensity
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  for things
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  that seem
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  Again, to go back to this term unreal
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  and areas like this.
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  You've probably read that 1 article I did
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  on a very specific
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  Alley way in the city of Rome where
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  I encountered
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  something strange.
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  And it's in these kind of areas like
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  this in these kind of seclusion
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  and a strange alley that's linked by someone
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  unspeakable geometry
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  to other strange
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  Points of focus of architecture or maybe the
• 17:28
  groove of a saint and it informs as
• 17:30
  bizarre kind of tri
• 17:32
  where strange things to happen. And this whole
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  idea of either lay lines
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  or,
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  any form of mystical top, These things come
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  together in a a very strange collage,
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  or certain points, certain areas.
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  Things that are this world can be conquered?
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  Yes. And for people listening, you're referencing a
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  story where you saw kind of like a
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  shadow bean type thing in an alley way
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  in Rome, and then you started dissect
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  the environment in which you saw it and
• 18:02
  all these symbols bubble up.
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  And
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  from this, I thought about my own experience.
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  I told you this, but for people listening,
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  I've talked about my shadow being 40 experience
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  many times from when I was young,
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  But what never clicked with me is that
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  I saw this being at the edge of
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  this subdivision in Arnold Missouri where I was
• 18:23
  raised and the name of the subdivision was
• 18:25
  Saint. John's crossing,
• 18:27
  and
• 18:28
  that's such a iso esoteric potent name was
• 18:31
  foresee scenes such a strange thing. And then
• 18:33
  I looked at the birds eye view of
• 18:36
  my old neighborhood having never the desire to
• 18:38
  have done this before, And it looks very
• 18:41
  much like a free masonic square and compass.
• 18:43
  I sent you the image am I seeing
• 18:45
  and things or would you... No It's there.
• 18:47
  It's there. Yeah.
• 18:48
  It's very weird. I never thought of that.
• 18:50
  And then I started looking into the history
• 18:52
  of well, how did this Lutheran church get
• 18:54
  put in this place and who built the
• 18:56
  subdivision, and then I had to put it
• 18:57
  all down, and
• 18:59
  focus on getting ready for this interview, but
• 19:01
  it is
• 19:02
  really interesting when you start paying attention to
• 19:05
  details around potent things,
• 19:07
  and
• 19:08
  how it's like man. This all seems like
• 19:10
  some kind of stage craft, but you have
• 19:13
  another series called 23
• 19:15
  could do where you do go deeper into
• 19:17
  James Shelby downer, style analysis,
• 19:20
  Basically that sync stuff could And you write
• 19:23
  that you are fascinated with the idea of
• 19:25
  what James shelby be down called Mystical, top,
• 19:29
  and that could be described as the geography
• 19:31
  of Witchcraft
• 19:33
  and on man see the doctrine of names,
• 19:35
  you say to explain this sober early, it
• 19:37
  is the idea that certain locations and their
• 19:39
  names can have weirder meta physical effect. Very
• 19:42
  40 and stuff.
• 19:44
  And of course, this gets deeper from there,
• 19:46
  but what would you say to people about?
• 19:49
  It's how that is possible because sometimes it's
• 19:52
  very strange that the names of a place
• 19:55
  that's derived by some humans somewhere,
• 19:58
  I mean, we would think. And then like,
• 20:00
  lay lines would be kind of naturally baked
• 20:03
  into the earth.
• 20:05
  How do we...
• 20:06
  Unravel this interplay between what sometimes seems like
• 20:10
  human design, and then other times seems like
• 20:13
  baked into aspects of nature.
• 20:17
  I'm very glad you asked that.
• 20:19
  I think a lot of people who go
• 20:21
  into this topic
• 20:22
  and who try to formulate some kind of
• 20:25
  coherent way to explain it, and it's very
• 20:27
  hard to explain these kind of things
• 20:30
  and a way that sounds
• 20:32
  even halfway
• 20:33
  reasonable.
• 20:35
  That's why I actually have been deferring to
• 20:37
  and I tried explain this or pouring this
• 20:39
  into a system.
• 20:41
  The eastern
• 20:42
  neo plate.
• 20:44
  Specifically,
• 20:45
  my own personal thought is probably most aligned
• 20:48
  with 2 figures,
• 20:50
  the
• 20:51
  and pro.
• 20:53
  Ian blink is great innovation.
• 20:56
  Ian
• 20:57
  basically breaks with por free.
• 21:01
  Por free was this
• 21:03
  who was the disciple of the famous.
• 21:06
  Yam
• 21:07
  break with por was on.
• 21:11
  Many of you are probably familiar with this
• 21:13
  term vaguely,
• 21:14
  but basically,
• 21:16
  theo was
• 21:18
  A set at least kind of ritual
• 21:21
  acts you could do
• 21:23
  to align yourself with the gods.
• 21:27
  And in,
• 21:28
  cosmology,
• 21:29
  his own theology,
• 21:31
  he believed that God were the gods
• 21:35
  when they created the universe, they basically so
• 21:38
  sun
• 21:39
  and Greek basically,
• 21:41
  signatures are symbols
• 21:43
  all throughout the world.
• 21:45
  That directly
• 21:46
  would have various correspondence with their superior deity.
• 21:50
  Right? So and this very kind of elaborate
• 21:52
  hierarchy you say, A rooster was said to
• 21:54
  be under the domain, it was a solar
• 21:56
  symbol, just as a lion, all these various
• 21:58
  kind of things, and it was the job
• 22:00
  of theo,
• 22:01
  and the and later pro view
• 22:05
  to basically take part in this
• 22:08
  task of
• 22:09
  uniting these various signatures to gather these various
• 22:11
  signs of the world under their prevailing deity,
• 22:14
  and going about this almost red task in
• 22:16
  the world
• 22:18
  So anyone who is familiar just from hearing
• 22:19
  that, Anyone who is familiar with?
• 22:22
  Maybe James shall be downer, can already see
• 22:24
  an immediate correspondence in this way of looking
• 22:26
  at. Sign of symbol
• 22:28
  of psycho.
• 22:30
  There was a very great book that just
• 22:31
  came out by the scholar Gregory Shaw, and
• 22:34
  he was 1 of the foremost experts
• 22:36
  on
• 22:37
  today and kind of late neo.
• 22:41
  And he wrote a book 1, I think
• 22:43
  was called The and the soul about The
• 22:45
  has been very recently he wrote a book
• 22:48
  called.
• 22:49
  And in it, he does his comparative analysis
• 22:52
  between Eastern,
• 22:54
  the late neo photon
• 22:56
  and some of these tan traditions out and
• 22:59
  the east.
• 23:00
  What he finds is 1 of these
• 23:03
  correspondence.
• 23:04
  Is this idea of
• 23:07
  the gods looking for
• 23:10
  bodies to inhabit, they wanna manifest in the
• 23:12
  world through human beings.
• 23:14
  And when we get into the rest of
• 23:16
  our series, we'll see how that kind of
• 23:18
  plays out some more in these
• 23:20
  traditions.
• 23:21
  But the point I'm trying to get at
• 23:23
  is this?
• 23:24
  How does this tie back to our original
• 23:27
  question,
• 23:28
  How does this justify or how am I
• 23:31
  going to get around justifying
• 23:32
  this mystical top on. These are these symbols
• 23:35
  popping up?
• 23:37
  This is actually in the same vein as
• 23:39
  how I
• 23:41
  basically
• 23:42
  explained some of my more elaborate conspiracy theories.
• 23:45
  Is I don't think
• 23:47
  these things are all the products
• 23:49
  of men themselves. I think when you get
• 23:52
  these very strange,
• 23:54
  correspondence
• 23:55
  of symbols, so you're going down a street,
• 23:58
  and all these different names kind of line
• 23:59
  up, in a very strange way and it
• 24:01
  relates to this, This isn't just the product
• 24:03
  of maybe in the same ways in maybe
• 24:05
  a conspiracy of man. It's not just that.
• 24:08
  There is, as I said, I'm a meta
• 24:09
  physical realist.
• 24:11
  I believe that the gods themselves have a
• 24:13
  weird part to play. And these are signatures
• 24:15
  that they sown into the world come into
• 24:18
  coordinates.
• 24:19
  And human beings.
• 24:21
  They have a commitment enough to seeing the
• 24:22
  weird.
• 24:23
  This kinda of manifest do them. And this
• 24:26
  is where we get into stuff like ci
• 24:27
  mystic.
• 24:29
  And my own kind of very bizarre,
• 24:32
  I know Schwab as a similar way. If
• 24:33
  you ask some of these kind of conspiracy
• 24:35
  researchers like, us, even though I kinda... I
• 24:37
  haven't shy away from that label lately,
• 24:40
  but I need to own it.
• 24:43
  When
• 24:44
  you asked someone like us of how we
• 24:46
  go about our kind of process of research.
• 24:48
  Well,
• 24:49
  mister Fort,
• 24:51
  coined a very interesting term called the library
• 24:53
  angel where you feel like something is guiding
• 24:55
  you. It almost just comes to you when
• 24:58
  you're researching these things, and you get this
• 25:00
  progressive,
• 25:02
  almost like out of the balloon and you
• 25:03
  can kind feel it coming on this strange
• 25:06
  progression of sync,
• 25:08
  and symbols come together and this whole research
• 25:12
  tunnel just kind of manifest before you. And
• 25:14
  it's the most amazing thing when it happens.
• 25:16
  It's almost like a rush
• 25:18
  when you really go down 1 of these
• 25:20
  research rabbit holes, you're almost working yourself up
• 25:22
  into this kind of manic
• 25:25
  Funny enough real quick on that point, I
• 25:27
  believe it was Pro 2
• 25:29
  who
• 25:31
  listed out these kind of 4 types of
• 25:33
  divine madness.
• 25:35
  1 was
• 25:36
  erotic madness,
• 25:38
  which is, of course under the goddess of
• 25:40
  alfred it, but he said the beginnings of
• 25:42
  philosophy come from erotic madness this kind of
• 25:44
  a love going out. There is the poetic
• 25:46
  madness, which I believe comes from muse.
• 25:49
  And then the last way I think are
• 25:50
  the most interesting, and these are the ones
• 25:51
  most are the domain of
• 25:53
  stranger conspiracy theorists. The first is,
• 25:57
  man or prophetic madness,
• 25:59
  and this comes from the go, polo and
• 26:02
  madness.
• 26:04
  This stranger ini madness, that supposedly falls under
• 26:08
  their realm dionysus.
• 26:10
  Not to anyone listening here, I'm not literally
• 26:12
  saying, that I believe these gods are controlling
• 26:15
  these various things.
• 26:16
  But this way of looking at
• 26:19
  the world or thought processes of this
• 26:21
  inspiration that comes from outside.
• 26:24
  I very much believed it, whether it's through
• 26:27
  research
• 26:28
  really through anything.
• 26:29
  This incredible almost like strike of lightning
• 26:32
  that'll come over.
• 26:34
  Mh.
• 26:35
  I think that's a great explanation. And
• 26:38
  when you look at the way Nasa names
• 26:40
  stands with Apollo and the old Gods and
• 26:43
  Osiris rex and you look at Bloomberg,
• 26:46
  digging up a
• 26:48
  temple of mit and requiring it to be
• 26:50
  moved to his new
• 26:52
  headquarters like the elite clearly care about these
• 26:55
  old gods and these old cults and
• 26:58
  A lot of times when I see conspiracy
• 27:00
  researchers just chalk that all up to Satan
• 27:03
  ism. I'm like, actually, I don't know. I
• 27:05
  think it's a lot more complex. Than that.
• 27:07
  No. I totally agree. I think that's actually
• 27:08
  1 of the biggest pitfalls of a lot
• 27:10
  of conspiracy theorist is trying to put everything
• 27:12
  into this
• 27:13
  binary of, you know? Less
• 27:16
  This is demonic.
• 27:17
  This is not.
• 27:19
  I'm not passing any judgment on that. I'm
• 27:21
  simply saying that when you lose this kind
• 27:23
  of ability to
• 27:25
  come out of yourself and your own
• 27:27
  prejudices, and I'm not saying prejudices in a
• 27:30
  negative way, but your own kite. Belief system
• 27:32
  you're own belief filter.
• 27:33
  If you lose the ability to come out
• 27:34
  of that when you're doing this kind of
• 27:35
  free exploration.
• 27:37
  You kind of lose your ability to engage
• 27:39
  with any of this at all.
• 27:41
  It's good to be able to
• 27:44
  Yeah, to leave cell phone. I don't... I
• 27:47
  don't know any... A better way to put
• 27:48
  it. Hopefully, this is making sense.
• 27:50
  It is, and I'm so glad you said
• 27:52
  that because I think that that's the page
• 27:53
  I'm on and a lot of the audiences
• 27:56
  on. And this is an example of the
• 27:58
  kind of
• 28:00
  Ritual decoding you do. This is long and
• 28:02
  I'm gonna try to not stumble through it
• 28:04
  and make it clear for people, but this
• 28:06
  is very much a decoding of an elite
• 28:08
  ritual like James Shelby Downer, king kill 33
• 28:12
  analysis of the Jfk
• 28:14
  assassination. It's iso esoteric potent and
• 28:17
  deep down to the last detail. It's the
• 28:20
  kind of thing just as you were saying,
• 28:22
  some of it seems too precise for human
• 28:24
  hands, but yet
• 28:25
  Clearly, people are involved in the planning of
• 28:28
  it.
• 28:28
  You have this example in a post titled
• 28:32
  ariel a better the Ufo you know, part
• 28:35
  2.
• 28:36
  And this gets us a little bit off
• 28:37
  the planned path, but I know our people
• 28:40
  love it. So we're all aware of Jack
• 28:43
  Parsons and the Babylon working Rich rolls out
• 28:45
  in the desert classic conspiracy lore, but you
• 28:48
  go on to say, what is important to
• 28:50
  understand at this point is the repetition of
• 28:53
  7 as paramount to the whole thing symbolically.
• 28:56
  Now let's get weird. Babylon is invoked between
• 28:59
  January nineteenth and February 20 seventh,
• 29:02
  in a desert in the American Southwest exactly
• 29:05
  77 years later during the small window on
• 29:09
  02/12/2023
• 29:11
  Super Bowl 58 occurs in Phoenix, Arizona, a
• 29:14
  city but miles from where the rituals originally
• 29:16
  occurred. Our magic numbers discussed earlier seemed to
• 29:19
  haunt the event, the 2 teams it played
• 29:21
  with the Philadelphia Eagles and Kansas City chiefs.
• 29:24
  Do you know who the Eagles beat in
• 29:26
  the N nfc conference match to go on
• 29:28
  to the Super Bowl? That's right. The San
• 29:29
  Francisco 49 Los, obviously,
• 29:33
  divisible by 7? Now if a mass ritual
• 29:36
  was being staged to act as a
• 29:38
  continuation of the Babylon working, I would wage
• 29:41
  your that football would be the perfect avenue.
• 29:43
  Why? Just look at the final score of
• 29:44
  the game. Of course, people know football, it's
• 29:47
  a game where points are usually
• 29:49
  grouped in 7, so there are a lot
• 29:51
  of sevens there, look and you point out
• 29:53
  even the game weather of the day, sunny,
• 29:56
  77
• 29:57
  degrees. That obviously is too precise for people,
• 30:00
  but
• 30:01
  Then you say who got the winning touchdown?
• 30:03
  A guy whose number is 7.
• 30:06
  And then you say does anyone remember what
• 30:08
  the Super Bowl was, and
• 30:10
  linked to. That's right Aliens. It was a
• 30:12
  few days before the Super Bowl that the
• 30:14
  alien rumors and weather balloons and possible disclosure
• 30:16
  were ramped up to a fever pitch.
• 30:19
  All throughout the Super Bowl, people were on
• 30:21
  the edge of their seats wondering if the
• 30:22
  government was going to release Ufo info that
• 30:24
  week. The timing couldn't have been more perfectly
• 30:27
  coordinated.
• 30:28
  Even stranger,
• 30:29
  halfway through the game, everyone began hearing reports
• 30:32
  that something was going to crash land on
• 30:35
  Earth over France.
• 30:36
  Societal, adrenaline was shot up to madden degrees,
• 30:39
  the Super Bowl was intertwined with Ufo man
• 30:43
  and everyone's minds and by design, I would
• 30:45
  add, It doesn't hurt that Phoenix as a
• 30:47
  city has always been associated with aerial phenomenon,
• 30:50
  who remembers the Phoenix lights.
• 30:52
  But as crazy as all those connections are,
• 30:54
  none of them come close to the true
• 30:56
  madness of the halftime show, which almost ind
• 31:00
  links the Babylon workings with the event flows
• 31:02
  Rihanna appeared on stage dressed in scarlet, showcasing
• 31:06
  a plump belly in which she revealed she
• 31:08
  was pregnant.
• 31:10
  Crowley parsons another notable t occult have used
• 31:13
  various females for the role of scarlet woman
• 31:16
  over the years.
• 31:17
  It is not a stretch to think Rihanna
• 31:18
  could be involved in a similar function, but
• 31:21
  let's look deeper into this character known as
• 31:23
  Rihanna,
• 31:25
  To cover all the occult references she has
• 31:26
  made over the years would take far too
• 31:28
  long, so instead, we'll look at anything that
• 31:30
  could associate her with Babylon and the par
• 31:33
  workings.
• 31:34
  In November of 20 12, she went on
• 31:36
  a curiously named tour, the 777
• 31:40
  tour.
• 31:41
  Rihanna was born 02/20/1988.
• 31:45
  That's within that window and curiously the 40
• 31:48
  second year anniversary of the original Babylon workings,
• 31:52
  42 obviously divisible by 7 as well. It
• 31:55
  is a curious name Rihanna, I wonder what
• 31:58
  it means. And then you look it up,
• 31:59
  the welsh named Rihanna is derived from the
• 32:02
  commonly
• 32:03
  held female name,
• 32:05
  Rio,
• 32:05
  meaning great queen and most associated with Rio,
• 32:09
  a goddess of fertility,
• 32:11
  Okay. Enough. There un
• 32:13
  coincidence is linking the last Super Bowl in
• 32:15
  the Babylon workings that occurred 77 years.
• 32:18
  Before but miles away, as well as bizarre
• 32:21
  elements linking both events and ex to Ufo
• 32:25
  fever
• 32:26
  Well, I think that is really great work.
• 32:29
  I remember watching that Super Bowl and immediately
• 32:31
  thinking scarlet woman. I mean, that's...
• 32:34
  Sync mystic 01:01 being able to recognize something
• 32:37
  that basic. And then it being the reveal
• 32:40
  of her pregnancy. I was like, oh my
• 32:42
  god. This is a match, but I'd never
• 32:45
  heard anyone else break it down, especially with
• 32:47
  all this detail and all the sevens and
• 32:50
  the fact that she was born, within that
• 32:52
  window of time,
• 32:55
  42 years after the original Babylon working that
• 32:58
  her name means great queen
• 33:01
  Goddess of fertility.
• 33:03
  I mean, jeez, man. This is really great
• 33:05
  work. This is an example of what you
• 33:07
  were describing earlier.
• 33:10
  Anything else to add?
• 33:11
  So originally, that came from a Twitter thread
• 33:15
  that I did right before the Super Bowl.
• 33:17
  And that I incorporated that into it.
• 33:20
  And I actually, as always was writing it
• 33:22
  up, it was another 1 of these things
• 33:23
  of this kind of
• 33:25
  very strange, like,
• 33:28
  almost rushed from the outside coming in, and
• 33:30
  you just go down 1 of these things
• 33:31
  very strange,
• 33:32
  almost symbolic tunnels.
• 33:34
  And I actually ended up predicting, and unfortunately,
• 33:37
  old Twitter account is banned, but there's still
• 33:39
  many who vouch for this. I ended up
• 33:40
  predicting the execs score,
• 33:42
  finishing score of the Super Bowl. Someone told
• 33:44
  they won 5000 dollars off of actually putting
• 33:46
  body on it of winning by 3.
• 33:49
  So
• 33:50
  I I got it pretty much to the
• 33:52
  point. Now a lot of people gave me
• 33:54
  flack for that, of course, especially on the
• 33:55
  more nor side of Twitter, like, this is
• 33:57
  insane. Is what they said, like, always this
• 34:00
  guy claiming that someone minute neatly planned each
• 34:03
  little detail this. Again, that's not the point
• 34:05
  at all.
• 34:06
  As I was discussing earlier. It is this
• 34:09
  idea that
• 34:11
  the conspirators in something like this and some
• 34:13
  very strange event with these very strange Triumph
• 34:15
  schemes
• 34:16
  it's not just man, but of a different
• 34:19
  powers is
• 34:21
  outside of man. Or different deities, basically or
• 34:24
  not Deities, anything you wanna call it and
• 34:26
  I'm mixing their finger into the soup of
• 34:28
  these occurrences,
• 34:30
  coming together.
• 34:31
  And then these occurrences coming together can domino.
• 34:34
  Do these very strange
• 34:36
  constellation And that's really the only way I
• 34:38
  can describe it.
• 34:40
  Yeah. Rhyme schemes is a great term, and
• 34:42
  it does feel like if you...
• 34:46
  Start playing the tune,
• 34:48
  the universe will
• 34:50
  finish it for you or contribute to the
• 34:53
  music Like, if you start playing the guitar,
• 34:56
  the drums get played from the other side
• 34:58
  and there's a Symphony created,
• 35:00
  a tapestry of these weird,
• 35:03
  Sc so simple as
• 35:05
  signs, and...
• 35:06
  I think it's amazing, but then you start
• 35:09
  to ask the question well, it seems like
• 35:11
  the only people who do this or have
• 35:13
  the power to structure this are people with
• 35:15
  dark intentions.
• 35:17
  And so
• 35:18
  what would be playing with these people, but
• 35:21
  you could assume dark entities. So...
• 35:24
  Not to say that it has to fit
• 35:25
  into the binary or that all this kind
• 35:27
  of activity has to be dark because it
• 35:29
  also seems somewhat natural.
• 35:31
  It's like, you know, gravity isn't dark because
• 35:34
  it does what it does. It's like, this
• 35:36
  force
• 35:36
  is something baked into
• 35:39
  Reality that you can play with, but only
• 35:41
  dark people seem to play with it, I
• 35:43
  guess is what I'm getting at.
• 35:45
  I think that would be a very fair
• 35:46
  way to put it. I definitely don't want
• 35:48
  to deny
• 35:50
  this darkness that is there,
• 35:53
  and there are very dark intentions, kind of
• 35:55
  buzzing around,
• 35:57
  I wanted to just make 1 point there
• 35:59
  for anyone who's probably hearing this and thinking,
• 36:02
  why would
• 36:03
  say you were some...
• 36:05
  Powerful plot or some dark entity, why would
• 36:07
  numbers come into this at all.
• 36:10
  Well, funny enough and I will
• 36:11
  kind of basis. This is a very old
• 36:14
  belief. I mean, in fact, going back to
• 36:16
  p.
• 36:18
  In this kind of synthesis, and we get
• 36:19
  a lot of our knowledge of p
• 36:22
  from
• 36:23
  a,
• 36:23
  survived writing of,
• 36:25
  sorry for continually going back to these people.
• 36:27
  But I think they have a very kind
• 36:28
  of solid basis for looking at a lot
• 36:30
  of this stuff.
• 36:32
  And P
• 36:33
  of course added hearing he believed the entire
• 36:35
  universe of this underlying numerical symbols is, are
• 36:38
  this numerical basis?
• 36:40
  And so much so he would apply this
• 36:43
  and so did the leader kind of neo
• 36:45
  to modes of worship.
• 36:47
  Everything for the fact that
• 36:49
  say,
• 36:50
  Apollo delivered Oracle from a tripod because the
• 36:53
  Tri was the first number. Right?
• 36:56
  Were made 3 times Ap
• 36:58
  Received sacrifices is on the sixth day, Aaron.
• 37:01
  Her on the eighth day of the month,
• 37:03
  Bob Blah blah. These numbers were kind of
• 37:05
  baked in. There's a very interesting
• 37:08
  association that I've only heard Gregory Shaw. I
• 37:10
  believe was his name talk about.
• 37:12
  Have you heard the
• 37:14
  ted
• 37:15
  this kind of p symbol?
• 37:18
  Think of like that rows of une equal
• 37:20
  numbers
• 37:21
  in this kind of triangular shape. So it'll
• 37:23
  be 1 at the top and 2, like
• 37:25
  dots.
• 37:26
  The 1 dot the 2 under 3 4.
• 37:30
  It was a strange cryptic formula only incomprehensible
• 37:33
  to kind the p
• 37:34
  initiated.
• 37:35
  But with strange is this word ne and
• 37:38
  Greek, the ted reminds us of the Pig,
• 37:41
  which was the tri of different sac
• 37:44
  animals.
• 37:45
  In
• 37:46
  basically the Greek sac
• 37:49
  tradition that try at a different kind of.
• 37:51
  Your genus is a sac animals
• 37:54
  So basically the idea is that there's a
• 37:57
  connection between these kind of numerical sacrifices
• 38:00
  and the sacrificing of actual
• 38:02
  beings of flesh and blood.
• 38:05
  Basically, the p bios,
• 38:08
  which is order part of this kind of
• 38:10
  bios, to find a continuity of worship extending
• 38:13
  from blood sacrifice
• 38:15
  to the sacrifice of numbers. But the idea
• 38:17
  is even going back from these earliest kind
• 38:19
  of
• 38:20
  the Usa. There's a continuity between
• 38:23
  blood sacrifice and numerical sacrifice.
• 38:26
  So there would be some kind of ancient
• 38:27
  basis.
• 38:29
  Wiring these strange miracles and ethnicities into things
• 38:33
  into these strange events
• 38:35
  I know you don't have to use Hoffman
• 38:37
  term of mass ritual, we could say, as
• 38:40
  I like to put it public performances.
• 38:43
  So there is a basis. There's this mer
• 38:45
  fix.
• 38:46
  That's almost as old as man
• 38:48
  for connecting with different.
• 38:51
  Know,
• 38:52
  demons entities whatever you wanna put it?
• 38:55
  Sure.
• 38:56
  So
• 38:56
  before we move on to And S, I
• 38:59
  guess,
• 39:00
  since I did
• 39:01
  read out all those details of that ritual.
• 39:04
  If we use that 1 as an example,
• 39:07
  I always...
• 39:08
  Like to reverse engineer
• 39:10
  how it might have happened. Some
• 39:12
  source out there that are employed by the
• 39:15
  elite would look at this and say, well,
• 39:17
  the dates coming up.
• 39:19
  Here's an opportunity to load it with our
• 39:23
  potent symbolism in the right numero.
• 39:25
  And we can, of course, structure the halftime
• 39:27
  time show
• 39:29
  to
• 39:30
  honor that.
• 39:31
  They could probably even
• 39:34
  structure the score of the game,
• 39:36
  they could probably even plan out who scores
• 39:39
  the winning touchdown.
• 39:41
  These are all degrees of control over which
• 39:43
  you could exact. And then the more my
• 39:46
  new stuff is then taken care of. You
• 39:48
  know what I mean It was like he
• 39:49
  were saying earlier, this idea of hey hate
• 39:51
  using his turn, but more sc research or
• 39:54
  just paying attention to things. Once you start
• 39:56
  to, you get the ball rolling, something else
• 39:58
  comes in and flesh it. This is the
• 40:00
  same way I kind of view maybe something
• 40:02
  like this. Some kind of mass ritual is
• 40:04
  when they've set the intention, they...
• 40:08
  They cook up the spells
• 40:10
  and they get the basics right, then something
• 40:13
  fills in into more of my new details
• 40:14
  for them. That's how the weather becomes 77
• 40:17
  degrees.
• 40:18
  Now,
• 40:19
  you say obviously with most rituals, you set
• 40:22
  the intention. And So practically, I just kinda
• 40:25
  laid out and you
• 40:26
  confirmed kind of how it could probably be
• 40:29
  done or at least started.
• 40:31
  But now what would be the intention? Why
• 40:33
  would
• 40:34
  the people who run reality?
• 40:38
  Care about this such thing. Obviously, the Babylon
• 40:41
  working is loaded with all kinds of symbolism,
• 40:44
  but it's implied they must have some value
• 40:47
  or see some value in the original Babylon
• 40:49
  working to even
• 40:50
  tie these events together, but
• 40:52
  what do they get out of structuring all
• 40:55
  this. What is achieved and also why the
• 40:57
  Ufo tie?
• 40:59
  I think that is kind of the grand
• 41:01
  question, isn't it?
• 41:03
  And we can theo on it, and I
• 41:05
  certainly have life theories.
• 41:07
  I think man manly People hall had a
• 41:09
  great quote. And its symbols are miraculous forms.
• 41:12
  Mysterious patterns creating v
• 41:14
  and the substances of the invisible world. They
• 41:17
  are centers of a mighty force, figures pregnant
• 41:20
  with an awful power. Which when properly fashioned
• 41:23
  whose fiery world ones
• 41:25
  upon the earth. Again, I believe these ritual
• 41:30
  events or, you know, these public performances.
• 41:33
  I have the power to
• 41:35
  change things in very strange ways.
• 41:38
  I think
• 41:39
  it doesn't always
• 41:41
  have to have an exact
• 41:44
  gold behind it. In the sense, it's not
• 41:47
  like, you know, doctor Faust,
• 41:49
  summon
• 41:50
  something so he can get a mortal over
• 41:53
  life. And this isn't just, like, a purely
• 41:55
  transactional thing. Like, they aren't staging some big,
• 41:58
  ritual, and event purely for a transactional goal.
• 42:02
  I do this, I get this.
• 42:04
  I believe it was from Elvis Levi who
• 42:06
  put it this way that
• 42:08
  When magic is done, the only pure intention
• 42:13
  is for the act itself. I think there
• 42:16
  is
• 42:16
  a strange satisfaction. I think anyone's dabble the
• 42:19
  occult to tell you this and simply performing
• 42:22
  these things because they can. And there is
• 42:24
  almost like a per
• 42:27
  radiation
• 42:28
  that happens in these kind of things. I
• 42:30
  think Like can inverted the off.
• 42:33
  This out pouring
• 42:35
  of, I think energy really is the only
• 42:37
  word for it.
• 42:39
  I think there's a lot of people, even
• 42:41
  normal people on the block who, if you
• 42:43
  told them, you could
• 42:44
  stage some kind of mass ritual,
• 42:47
  is power trip is rush of it, in
• 42:49
  a very strange sense.
• 42:52
  I think that is about as far as
• 42:53
  we can go with it, but I also
• 42:55
  think
• 42:56
  On a more practical side, it's a sense
• 42:58
  of signaling.
• 42:59
  To other people with a wink and nod.
• 43:03
  Yeah. I think that makes a lot of
• 43:05
  sense, and we do just kinda have to
• 43:07
  leave it at that. We can recognize it
• 43:09
  without really being able to fully explain every
• 43:13
  aspect of it and the intention behind it.
• 43:15
  But, yeah, it could just be a flex
• 43:17
  or 1 cult letting another cult, hey. We
• 43:20
  still run the show around here.
• 43:22
  And Okay. Exactly. Let's jump over to this
• 43:25
  between Za and Ba
• 43:28
  series of posts. We're not gonna be able
• 43:30
  to complete the circuit in the first hour
• 43:32
  because this is dense stuff. You connect all
• 43:35
  sorts of material here information about the polls,
• 43:39
  consist across hall earth stories that speaks to
• 43:42
  me,
• 43:43
  cultural echoes of At,
• 43:45
  stories of the mythic north,
• 43:47
  mysteries
• 43:48
  of
• 43:49
  tibetan monks and the himalayas and cataclysm,
• 43:53
  that's kind of the threads that you tie
• 43:56
  together here, but give us a bit of
• 43:57
  an overview of this thesis.
• 44:01
  And then we can get deeper into the
• 44:03
  supporting evidence with the rest of the time
• 44:05
  we have.
• 44:06
  Okay. So, in fact, this series itself is
• 44:09
  unfinished.
• 44:10
  As many as my series tend to be,
• 44:12
  but I will finish it. And I can
• 44:15
  give you a taste at the end of
• 44:16
  this of where I am getting. So from
• 44:18
  the title alone between Za doo and Sham.
• 44:22
  If anyone is familiar with Za Do, this
• 44:24
  is a reference to a poem by.
• 44:27
  I think 1 of the greatest geniuses and
• 44:29
  mystic
• 44:30
  of the last 500 years, Samuel Taylor C.
• 44:35
  Za Do
• 44:37
  is part of this poem that goes was
• 44:39
  in the at least the beginning of it.
• 44:40
  And Za Due did Coup calling is state
• 44:43
  pleasure dome decree were a, the sacred of
• 44:45
  river iran through Cavern me man, down to
• 44:47
  a sun sea.
• 44:49
  I won't read the entire thing,
• 44:51
  But this has always been a poem
• 44:53
  that is stuck with me.
• 44:55
  The first time I heard it. Actually, this
• 44:57
  is something I don't think a lot of
• 44:59
  people know
• 45:00
  is I came across it and a book
• 45:02
  on Teddy Roosevelt.
• 45:04
  I believe it was called the river of
• 45:07
  doubt.
• 45:08
  Could be the river of hope. I have
• 45:10
  to check on that, but it was about
• 45:12
  after he lost the election,
• 45:14
  My guess, Woodrow Wilson when he was running
• 45:16
  in his bull moose spotty,
• 45:18
  and he went down, you know, he was
• 45:19
  just very kind strapping pricing
• 45:21
  adventure.
• 45:22
  Portrayed is a very vital man
• 45:25
  and to the Amazon Basin to go exploring.
• 45:27
  For this kind of uncharted river.
• 45:30
  And at the very end of it, he
• 45:32
  gets cut,
• 45:33
  and he develops his fever, and he goes
• 45:36
  into this... This is real, and he goes
• 45:38
  into this fever dream. As they're carrying him
• 45:39
  out
• 45:40
  and he just keeps repeating. And Za dude
• 45:43
  K car, the state pleasure dome to decree.
• 45:46
  Over and over again, like 2 days.
• 45:50
  And, you know, anytime I hear something like
• 45:52
  this. Would figure especially president, is very kind
• 45:55
  strange under current. I know there's something there.
• 45:57
  On flu last 10 years, I've known there
• 45:59
  was something even stranger there.
• 46:02
  But before we even approached this, where I
• 46:04
  am going with this entire series,
• 46:06
  is I believe that Samuel Taylor Ko
• 46:09
  had a mystic visionary experience in the same
• 46:13
  way that Saint Eve did, the French mystic
• 46:16
  who had a vision of,
• 46:19
  of this realm and inner Earth, and there's
• 46:22
  a remarkable correspondence
• 46:24
  appearance with
• 46:25
  c poem,
• 46:27
  and
• 46:28
  these other mystical
• 46:31
  vision,
• 46:32
  experiences seeing into a realm of inner earth.
• 46:36
  So Ko was infamous
• 46:39
  for
• 46:39
  having this kind of Opium addiction. And so
• 46:42
  Ko said that this poem came to him
• 46:45
  in an Opium tree,
• 46:47
  and there was thousands of lines of it
• 46:49
  that came to him. He had this vision
• 46:50
  of this place.
• 46:52
  And again, if you read the Polymers, he's
• 46:54
  very,
• 46:55
  communities very sub, and we can go into
• 46:57
  a war about relates to Ga stories of
• 46:59
  S later, but he awoke from the stream,
• 47:02
  And this person on business from Poor lock
• 47:05
  as they call it, the kind of infamous
• 47:07
  term literature for someone who interrupts a great
• 47:09
  work. He was interrupted by a person on
• 47:11
  business from Poor.
• 47:12
  After this guy finished speaking to him He
• 47:14
  forgot almost all of it except for these
• 47:16
  lines.
• 47:17
  They say it's the greatest tragedy. There was
• 47:19
  1 English professor said if anyone deserves to
• 47:20
  be killed on earth there was the person
• 47:21
  on visits from Portland.
• 47:23
  Be ruining this great word of.
• 47:26
  But for any of our audiences two's familiar
• 47:28
  with Schwab on some Schwab decks work.
• 47:32
  Schwab brings up these idea of the men
• 47:33
  in black. Or these
• 47:35
  entities that appear after some kind of
• 47:39
  strange experience that happens. Maybe he calls beings
• 47:41
  of pure media. Right? And they kind of
• 47:43
  come to clean things up.
• 47:46
  Basically.
• 47:47
  And so what's very interesting. And my theory
• 47:50
  is that Samuel taylor ko which was a
• 47:52
  visionary in this way, and he was interrupted
• 47:54
  by 1 of these beings of pure media,
• 47:56
  the person business from Poor luck.
• 47:58
  Especially because if you look up poor lock,
• 48:00
  it's famous for these
• 48:02
  stone circles, these almost ferry mounts that are
• 48:05
  right in the area, And if we look
• 48:06
  at someone will bring up later, mister
• 48:10
  on the tip of my tongue here,
• 48:12
  our great Russian explorer and painter,
• 48:16
  Ro rich, Nicholas Roe. Roar. Yes. Of course,
• 48:19
  Nicholas Roe has this larry long passage
• 48:21
  in his book on Sham.
• 48:24
  Where he...
• 48:25
  Immediately equates
• 48:26
  these various tom
• 48:27
  all across Central Asia and these stone circles,
• 48:31
  and he
• 48:32
  Explicitly equates them with the ones in England,
• 48:35
  and these various ones like the ones in
• 48:36
  Poor look, but whatever I'm getting ahead of
• 48:38
  myself here.
• 48:39
  That is kind of where I'm going with
• 48:41
  the series, and we'll get into that for
• 48:42
  any of my subs readers listening now.
• 48:45
  That was a little teach free of where
• 48:46
  that article series is going.
• 48:48
  But we can continue with
• 48:50
  why I decided to focus on this?
• 48:53
  In between Ana And Sham,
• 48:55
  is I think
• 48:58
  myself, and I think many others like me.
• 49:01
  You know, as children, we were fascinated. And
• 49:04
  remember Exactly where it was.
• 49:06
  I think the first we ever saw Peter's,
• 49:09
  was Disney's At lan
• 49:10
  with my father.
• 49:12
  And there was something that captivated bay on
• 49:14
  such a deep and prime almost spiritual level
• 49:17
  about this Disney production. You know, I mean,
• 49:19
  what kind of ear head am? I'm falling
• 49:21
  into a spiritual experience from Walt Disney. But
• 49:24
  funny enough as I'm sure most of your
• 49:26
  listeners know.
• 49:28
  At lan as a concept is extremely old.
• 49:31
  It goes back to Plato, this idea of
• 49:34
  this realm that was sunk.
• 49:36
  To put it su sing. It's basically the
• 49:39
  idea that there was a high cold prehistoric
• 49:41
  times. Something about this, I think really speaks
• 49:44
  to us on the level.
• 49:46
  That were being lied to on our pre
• 49:47
  history.
• 49:49
  But 1 other just interesting little tidbit here
• 49:51
  on,
• 49:52
  apparently, I only found this out recently in
• 49:54
  that movie. The language they're speaking Language was
• 49:57
  actually constructed by a very renowned ph pathologist
• 50:00
  who constructed the language on Ind European.
• 50:03
  On what we know of the Ind European
• 50:05
  language group. So there is some real basis
• 50:07
  to this stuff going on there.
• 50:09
  Okay. But onto the point I'm getting at
• 50:11
  here.
• 50:12
  I believe
• 50:14
  I think like probably many other of your
• 50:16
  listeners here
• 50:18
  that
• 50:19
  we are being lied to or not even
• 50:20
  so much partly lied to, but we have
• 50:23
  a very incomplete idea of man's pre history.
• 50:27
  But I take it even more extreme direction.
• 50:30
  I think the entire idea of human evolution.
• 50:34
  Is
• 50:36
  completely bogus, and I'm not saying that. A
• 50:38
  lot of people will hear someone critique evolution
• 50:41
  think I'm coming from some
• 50:43
  creation is
• 50:45
  thing I'm spewing out here. No. That's not
• 50:46
  it at all. I actually believe that mankind
• 50:50
  is a product of a kind of extreme
• 50:51
  degeneration.
• 50:52
  That many of these myths were correct and
• 50:55
  that we were were at least spawned from
• 50:58
  much more superior beings.
• 51:00
  And that we have been d generating and
• 51:02
  why this is so dangerous is because the
• 51:04
  entirety of kind of modern du is based
• 51:06
  on this idea of societal progression
• 51:09
  that every generation is getting better. Yeah. We
• 51:12
  are on the straight and narrow the happy
• 51:14
  happy sunshine. Of course, is kind.
• 51:17
  A galen idea of progression. And I think
• 51:19
  that's completely false, and I think it's a
• 51:21
  lie. And I think it's a lie that
• 51:22
  needs to be shattered. And 1 more thing
• 51:24
  on this before we continue,
• 51:27
  A very good friend of mine on Twitter,
• 51:29
  the p. I think he's 1 of the
• 51:30
  most Indulge that I've ever met. He was
• 51:33
  actually the 1 who first introduced me to
• 51:34
  a lot of this.
• 51:35
  But the way he broke it down forming
• 51:38
  of why
• 51:39
  you can just kind of
• 51:41
  dis disprove the entire idea of human
• 51:44
  linear progression in an incline, right at face
• 51:47
  value is when you think about it from
• 51:49
  a language standpoint.
• 51:50
  And in recorded history, we really have no
• 51:54
  records of language,
• 51:56
  like a vernacular language,
• 51:58
  organically becoming more advanced or more complicated.
• 52:01
  It's always the opposite direction.
• 52:03
  The amount of cases and d that greek
• 52:06
  had
• 52:07
  or and then even the latin and just
• 52:10
  seeing how organically these things,
• 52:12
  they don't get more complex, they simplify. They
• 52:15
  get easier
• 52:16
  and the idea that this also reflects a
• 52:18
  kind of physiological difference, a physiological degeneration, a
• 52:23
  physiological simplicity and even our brains.
• 52:25
  Right? And the plethora for my friend would
• 52:27
  say that
• 52:29
  it's just proves that the myths are all
• 52:31
  correct, and human and beings aren't language. Some
• 52:33
  God like figures.
• 52:34
  What it's the
• 52:36
  Babylon fish of
• 52:38
  Y. Right? Or
• 52:40
  if you wanna go for the Christian perspective,
• 52:42
  right of got himself. Whether The idea that
• 52:46
  this can just come out of a vacuum
• 52:48
  that these complex forms of speech can just
• 52:50
  come out of a vacuum and become even
• 52:52
  more complicated.
• 52:53
  And then know at some point it just
• 52:54
  started to decline. Oh, that either says that
• 52:57
  human beings
• 52:58
  were on an inc incline in terms of
• 53:01
  our own physiological complexity and our own brain
• 53:03
  power and then just something happened and we're
• 53:05
  on the decline, or it's always been on
• 53:07
  the decline.
• 53:09
  And I hope that made sense.
• 53:11
  Yeah. It does. And we are talking about
• 53:14
  a dense.
• 53:16
  Kind of cosmology
• 53:17
  that you've crafted or pieced together from a
• 53:20
  lot of other material and it's really tough
• 53:21
  to know where an audience is.
• 53:24
  That you're not familiar with, and, of course,
• 53:26
  even the idea that the entire audience is
• 53:28
  on the same page is
• 53:30
  fallacy to begin with, but
• 53:32
  Obviously, At, we have this cultural history or
• 53:35
  this cultural memory. It seems of a high
• 53:39
  society in the ancient past.
• 53:41
  And we know hollow earth floor pretty well
• 53:44
  around here, and we've digested some stories of
• 53:47
  the mythic north and Mount. Mar and Hyper.
• 53:51
  And the idea that at the north pole,
• 53:53
  there is this magnetic mountain that is Mar
• 53:57
  kind of mystical
• 53:59
  and maybe that's where people initially came from.
• 54:02
  There are threads to that. Well,
• 54:05
  What I think is really interesting about this
• 54:09
  cosmology of yours is
• 54:12
  If I was to summarize it with a
• 54:14
  phrase
• 54:15
  or a paragraph of yours, you say,
• 54:17
  among ancient authors
• 54:19
  there was an agreement that the earth's current
• 54:22
  position with its ax acetyl tilt
• 54:25
  is an abe,
• 54:26
  The result of some calamity both physical and
• 54:29
  spiritual.
• 54:30
  Without an ax axle tilt, the earth would
• 54:32
  not experience seasonal change as we know it
• 54:35
  for there would be a constant amount of
• 54:36
  sunlight throughout the year, It would be a
• 54:39
  perpetual e, the length of day and night
• 54:41
  being completely equal, something that only occurs twice
• 54:45
  on the planet with an ax tilt such
• 54:46
  as ours.
• 54:47
  A golden age a perpetual
• 54:50
  spring.
• 54:51
  This is an extraordinary idea to chew on
• 54:53
  as it supplies a rational basis, for these
• 54:56
  wildly diffuse myths of a past golden age
• 54:59
  of eternal spring,
• 55:01
  an age where a more harmonious
• 55:03
  relationship with time existed
• 55:06
  So
• 55:07
  we've also talked a lot on this show
• 55:09
  about cyclical cataclysm and what's being proposed here.
• 55:13
  A lot of this comes from... Arc toast,
• 55:15
  the polar myth in science symbolism and Nazi
• 55:18
  survival by Josh,
• 55:20
  God win,
• 55:21
  is this idea that we had an ancient
• 55:23
  cataclysm,
• 55:25
  And
• 55:25
  before this cataclysm, we had this perfect harmony,
• 55:28
  you could even say that
• 55:30
  the
• 55:31
  earth's
• 55:33
  rotation was 3 and 60 degrees, a more
• 55:35
  perfect circle and now it's 3 65, and
• 55:38
  now the axis is off, and we have
• 55:41
  extreme weather on certain parts of the planet
• 55:43
  that
• 55:44
  when you think about the E
• 55:46
  and
• 55:47
  how it's tied to fall and spring these
• 55:50
  transition times that are quite pleasant for human
• 55:53
  beings as opposed to the summer and the
• 55:55
  winter
• 55:57
  you're basically saying that
• 55:59
  this cataclysm
• 56:01
  knocked us into
• 56:03
  a
• 56:05
  profane,
• 56:06
  a
• 56:08
  situation where everything is a little off, and
• 56:09
  this affects human
• 56:11
  spirituality,
• 56:12
  and this would have affected the
• 56:15
  ability to
• 56:17
  habitat the north pole.
• 56:19
  And so as the area that this initial
• 56:22
  high society lived in got colder and colder
• 56:25
  and more
• 56:26
  in hospital,
• 56:28
  they would migrate
• 56:29
  down
• 56:30
  south towards the rest of the planet, and
• 56:33
  then we probably have many, even thousands of
• 56:36
  years before Atlanta and that's the thing we
• 56:39
  can kind of remember,
• 56:41
  and then we have probably thousands more years
• 56:43
  and we get to today. We have these
• 56:45
  echoes in our subconscious,
• 56:48
  throughout humanity that there's something else back there
• 56:50
  and that this idea of a evolution is
• 56:53
  probably more accurate
• 56:55
  We've actually
• 56:57
  interviewed Jim C, who talked about the saga.
• 56:59
  I don't know if you've ever gotten into
• 57:01
  that, but it is this thread that
• 57:04
  this
• 57:05
  person e Ba says he was part of
• 57:08
  an elite family in ancient times and his
• 57:10
  family preserve their own
• 57:12
  language and this language was
• 57:15
  on a wheel, and it was very
• 57:18
  compatible with other things. It just seemed very
• 57:21
  internally coherent, and he would talk about the
• 57:24
  idea of Hell being Helsinki.
• 57:26
  Oh, man. That sounds awesome.
• 57:28
  I gotta check that out, man. He's from
• 57:30
  Finland and it it gets really wild, but
• 57:33
  it would be another thing I'd add to
• 57:34
  the stack.
• 57:36
  And to try to
• 57:38
  Give people
• 57:40
  some kind of c
• 57:42
  before we wrap up the first hour?
• 57:45
  I mean, how would you elaborate on what
• 57:47
  I said, and if the spiritual poll
• 57:50
  has some kind of
• 57:52
  association with the
• 57:54
  geographic poll, and we had this cataclysm that
• 57:57
  shifted us,
• 57:58
  what would you say about the spiritual pull
• 58:01
  in later phases or even today and how
• 58:04
  this might tie into the inner.
• 58:07
  I think
• 58:08
  to start here,
• 58:10
  something to clarify for the audience is
• 58:14
  The idea of this ax actual shift being
• 58:17
  caused by some kind of cataclysm,
• 58:19
  you know, there's some scientist who might be
• 58:21
  able to get behind that. Oh, a meteor
• 58:23
  hit the earth, blah blah blah blah.
• 58:25
  But what's really radical on what a lot
• 58:27
  of these kind of esoteric assist, thinkers get
• 58:30
  kind of threaded together here is the idea
• 58:33
  that this physical cataclysm like you said
• 58:36
  was kind of
• 58:38
  And explicitly linked to a spiritual cataclysm or
• 58:42
  a moral cataclysm. Right? And this is going
• 58:44
  to be a recurring theme throughout the entire
• 58:46
  series.
• 58:47
  Whether it's, you know, this kind of as
• 58:49
  above so below this micro chasm
• 58:52
  linked to the macro cause.
• 58:54
  Anything from the
• 58:56
  cool geographies being linked to your own spiritual
• 58:59
  states and they're being an effect there. There
• 59:01
  being a link a chain.
• 59:03
  But to approach
• 59:05
  the beginning of the pool ship stuff itself.
• 59:08
  So a lot of this is coming from
• 59:11
  a bunch of different
• 59:12
  personalities throughout the ages,
• 59:14
  and we find this,
• 59:16
  not just in a single,
• 59:18
  cultural geographic location. We find it kind of
• 59:21
  everywhere. This idea of the
• 59:23
  succession of the ages,
• 59:26
  and all these succession of the ages
• 59:28
  apply a kind of downward
• 59:31
  generating
• 59:32
  trend.
• 59:33
  For example,
• 59:35
  the famous
• 59:36
  farmer poet He basically tells us right, that
• 59:40
  this is, of course, in the hell poetic
• 59:41
  context.
• 59:42
  That there were 5 ages. Right? Either usually
• 59:45
  equated 2 different kind of metals.
• 59:47
  He says there was the golden age, then
• 59:49
  the silver than the bronze and the har
• 59:51
  heroic. And iron. Right? If we go over
• 59:54
  to kind of right? The v myths, if
• 59:56
  we go over to India,
• 59:58
  you've probably heard of this famous and idea
• 1:00:00
  that we're leaving in the Ka yu.
• 1:00:02
  This kind of dark age.
• 1:00:04
  This same correspondence is there.
• 1:00:07
  You find this everywhere
• 1:00:09
  until
• 1:00:10
  really the coming of
• 1:00:12
  christianity.
• 1:00:13
  Or you could say this kind of
• 1:00:15
  In islam as Judeo Christian kind of way
• 1:00:17
  of viewing things,
• 1:00:19
  where instead of a cyclical history, it's flattened.
• 1:00:23
  Into a linear 1.
• 1:00:25
  But in a lot of an I hate
• 1:00:26
  whose pagan is kind of a a
• 1:00:29
  an am morph term here, but we'll use
• 1:00:31
  it anyway. And a lot of these a
• 1:00:32
  pagan cosmology, it's cyclical, and implies degeneration and
• 1:00:36
  then at the very end of see, the
• 1:00:37
  Ka or the iron age, we get this
• 1:00:39
  shift back this restoration. But
• 1:00:42
  So going to what you're saying on the
• 1:00:44
  polls,
• 1:00:45
  a lot of this gets picked back up
• 1:00:47
  again from the ancient thinkers with the theo.
• 1:00:51
  The theo, right, probably... Or listeners here are
• 1:00:55
  know of
• 1:00:56
  missus Bots. Right?
• 1:00:58
  And they bring this kind of thread back,
• 1:01:01
  and they kind of elaborate on this cosmology,
• 1:01:04
  they basically claim,
• 1:01:06
  they're getting this information from these enlightened masters
• 1:01:10
  over in the east Himalayas
• 1:01:12
  or to go be desert
• 1:01:14
  and for them,
• 1:01:16
  to kind summarize On also picks up on
• 1:01:18
  this,
• 1:01:19
  you know, there's many different variations of it.
• 1:01:21
  But 1 of the most,
• 1:01:23
  common is the idea of this
• 1:01:25
  completely polar
• 1:01:27
  to hyper warrior to Le,
• 1:01:29
  right? To Atlanta
• 1:01:31
  to Air, I know it's a loaded term
• 1:01:33
  here.
• 1:01:34
  But
• 1:01:35
  the idea is the physical shifts in continents
• 1:01:38
  themselves also reflect us strange kind of racial
• 1:01:40
  ethnic
• 1:01:41
  shift and the type of person there,
• 1:01:45
  but this shifts with the poles of themselves.
• 1:01:48
  And it also shifts with the makeup physiological
• 1:01:51
  of a body. The idea is originally,
• 1:01:53
  and this purely polar
• 1:01:55
  ao,
• 1:01:56
  And this is kind how the theo get
• 1:01:58
  around the fact that there's no fossil evidence
• 1:02:00
  is that humans or these kind of pro
• 1:02:03
  humans
• 1:02:04
  had completely ether
• 1:02:06
  bodies. Right?
• 1:02:07
  Goes back to the idea, I think Advances
• 1:02:10
  that as the ages progress
• 1:02:13
  matter becomes more solid.
• 1:02:15
  So even from the polar to the hyper
• 1:02:17
  warrior, these kind of geographic shifts of where
• 1:02:19
  the pole is, polar as in,
• 1:02:22
  also, you know, spiritual pull, and then all
• 1:02:25
  these other authors come up with these different
• 1:02:27
  theories as well.
• 1:02:29
  But how this relates basically to inner enter
• 1:02:32
  earth, but the idea is after the polar,
• 1:02:35
  then there was a hyper warrior. There's just
• 1:02:36
  successive kind of migrations down.
• 1:02:38
  South.
• 1:02:39
  This is how these end up both and
• 1:02:42
  say,
• 1:02:43
  India, and then also in Europe, the idea
• 1:02:45
  is
• 1:02:46
  then there was also the Le continent. Right?
• 1:02:50
  That was kind of out there, you know,
• 1:02:51
  the Atlantic Pacific, and then there is the
• 1:02:53
  At atlanta continent
• 1:02:55
  that was somewhere obviously in the Atlantic.
• 1:02:58
  But there is supposedly a certain shift that
• 1:03:00
  occurred where the spiritual center became the around
• 1:03:03
  the Go desert area. The Go desert see
• 1:03:05
  the Himalayas and this kind of area of
• 1:03:07
  the world, and that's why they say a
• 1:03:09
  lot of these even the theo is talking
• 1:03:11
  about where they're getting their hidden wisdom from
• 1:03:13
  the east. Right?
• 1:03:15
  Looks, right, from the east, from the orient
• 1:03:18
  comes this light,
• 1:03:19
  and it said that from these various authors
• 1:03:21
  that under the either the Go desert,
• 1:03:23
  where the himalayas is is this sub
• 1:03:27
  realm, and it's described differently by all these
• 1:03:29
  different authors if we wanna give credence to
• 1:03:32
  their visions,
• 1:03:33
  we can say it's almost like a bunch
• 1:03:36
  of Sears or mystic
• 1:03:38
  looking at some truth from different angles and
• 1:03:40
  they're getting it.
• 1:03:41
  Slightly different each 1.
• 1:03:43
  That's probably the only way we can attempt
• 1:03:45
  to put this together.
• 1:03:47
  You're putting that out there coherent.
• 1:03:50
  Yes, I think so. I think that's a
• 1:03:52
  great way to try to stick the landing
• 1:03:54
  here for the first hour people, but there
• 1:03:56
  is a
• 1:03:58
  to
• 1:03:59
  the
• 1:04:00
  stories that you hear in many different cultures
• 1:04:03
  from mystic sticks from
• 1:04:06
  deep thinking scientists,
• 1:04:08
  all kinds of different people you lay out
• 1:04:10
  key figures
• 1:04:12
  along this path, lived in different times and
• 1:04:15
  different places, but somehow
• 1:04:18
  came to the same general shape
• 1:04:21
  of parts of this story, and then you
• 1:04:23
  put it into a continuity
• 1:04:26
  into a chronology that I just think
• 1:04:29
  makes a lot of sense because sometimes we
• 1:04:31
  are like, well, is it At lan or
• 1:04:33
  the mythic north? No. It's both. Those are
• 1:04:35
  both different parts
• 1:04:36
  of the same story. And
• 1:04:39
  that's what really has clicked for me, but
• 1:04:42
  this has been great. I hope at least
• 1:04:44
  the 2 hour listeners,
• 1:04:46
  got a clear path forged through the stent
• 1:04:49
  material, but you are a great writer. You
• 1:04:51
  cover very unique stuff right in the center
• 1:04:53
  of my areas of interest and That's not
• 1:04:56
  easy to do, but
• 1:04:57
  remind people of your true bread and butter,
• 1:05:00
  the pope head post and el them on
• 1:05:03
  the other threads that you've got running on
• 1:05:05
  top of this stuff we talked about today.
• 1:05:08
  Excellent. So, yeah, I have a pretty ec
• 1:05:10
  interest base.
• 1:05:12
  I write on a... Yeah. You could say
• 1:05:14
  some diverse topics.
• 1:05:15
  I have covered the Italian journalist andrea,
• 1:05:19
  reached out to me around a year ago
• 1:05:20
  for covering some his stuff. Yeah So I
• 1:05:22
  have been his
• 1:05:24
  liaison to the english sphere
• 1:05:25
  with publishing his articles on the rat code
• 1:05:28
  and a lot of the more, stranger side
• 1:05:30
  of the vatican, you could say, we could
• 1:05:32
  do at some point in the future A
• 1:05:34
  whole episode on Vatican conspiracies. That's always been
• 1:05:36
  kind of my bread and butter,
• 1:05:38
  That's what we were supposed to do. As
• 1:05:40
  you know, to the audience, we were supposed
• 1:05:42
  to talk about Vatican secrets, and then this
• 1:05:45
  body of work came out, and I was
• 1:05:46
  like, now, this is great. We should cover
• 1:05:47
  it.
• 1:05:48
  Yeah. But I had a great time. I
• 1:05:50
  had a great time. But, yeah, I do
• 1:05:51
  a lot of more esoteric stuff around the
• 1:05:53
  Vatican and these various factions in these various
• 1:05:56
  plots.
• 1:05:57
  And I always joke, you know, the reality
• 1:05:59
  is so much more interesting than anything think
• 1:06:01
  Dead browns come up with it. So
• 1:06:04
  it's so... And I hopefully, I'm not insulting
• 1:06:05
  Damn brown here. But yeah. I do that.
• 1:06:08
  Do a lot of art history stuff.
• 1:06:10
  They done a couple of articles on Georgia
• 1:06:12
  C, but it all comes into the same
• 1:06:13
  matrix of the weird,
• 1:06:15
  Anyone listening would probably very much enjoy. This
• 1:06:17
  will be my last kind of self shi
• 1:06:19
  here. I think I'm the only 1 who's
• 1:06:21
  ever talked about in English.
• 1:06:23
  Was this article I did called the mag
• 1:06:25
  behemoth, and I basically, I was
• 1:06:28
  investigating
• 1:06:29
  the
• 1:06:30
  propaganda do.
• 1:06:32
  Sonic lodge, and all the stuff that was
• 1:06:34
  going on in Italy during the years of
• 1:06:35
  lead as they call them.
• 1:06:37
  All these conspiracies, all this kind of
• 1:06:40
  Undercover occult violence, you could put it. And
• 1:06:42
  I basically stumbled on the account of this
• 1:06:44
  mag street, a judge lawyer in Italy,
• 1:06:47
  who
• 1:06:48
  was uncovered this entire conspiracy of a...
• 1:06:51
  And this was very respectable guy entire conspiracy
• 1:06:54
  of this kind of satanic c italian military,
• 1:06:57
  throw him in mental asylum. He proved his
• 1:06:59
  innocence, and he ended up going into politics
• 1:07:01
  against the deep state or the deep powers
• 1:07:03
  at b, we could say, back I, like
• 1:07:05
  2011.
• 1:07:06
  When he got out, and then, of course,
• 1:07:07
  he dies during Covid, and they cleared everything
• 1:07:10
  from the Internet, and I managed to find
• 1:07:12
  the 1 place where they still had all
• 1:07:14
  his documents.
• 1:07:15
  And the funniest thing is when I did
• 1:07:17
  this theories.
• 1:07:18
  Is is that you can tell you're on
• 1:07:19
  to something. I wrote this article with links
• 1:07:21
  to the last,
• 1:07:22
  thankfully saved everything too before, I made the
• 1:07:25
  article. I put a link to the last
• 1:07:27
  page, the blog spot he had where he
• 1:07:29
  listed everything out in Italian.
• 1:07:31
  And 3 hours after I wrote the article,
• 1:07:33
  this 2011 blogs box was taken down.
• 1:07:35
  And for this dead guy. Yeah. No. It
• 1:07:37
  it was... Very exciting couple 24 hours. I
• 1:07:41
  recommend that. But, yeah, You mean I do
• 1:07:43
  conspiracy. I do art history.
• 1:07:45
  I do Vatican politics.
• 1:07:47
  And I also translate
• 1:07:48
  italian right wings. Thinkers
• 1:07:52
  man, poe pad dot subs stack. Dot com,
• 1:07:55
  and you could be found on Twitter now
• 1:07:57
  under what's the name?
• 1:07:59
  I don't recommend you following my Twitter. I
• 1:08:00
  usually use that for, joking around, but It
• 1:08:03
  is the Brad and head of Sylvester the
• 1:08:04
  second.
• 1:08:06
  Fair enough. Yes.
• 1:08:07
  Man, well, I'm so happy, schwab. Made this
• 1:08:10
  connection and it worked out. I had a
• 1:08:12
  great time. I hope there's some clarity to
• 1:08:15
  the narrative laid out for people. If not,
• 1:08:17
  just go read, what you've written because it
• 1:08:20
  is really good, and I'm sure we'll do
• 1:08:22
  it again someday, but until then, I hope
• 1:08:24
  so. I really enjoyed, man. This is the
• 1:08:27
  first podcast I decided to go on just
• 1:08:29
  because I had a lot of requests, but
• 1:08:30
  I've always been a bit antsy, but just,
• 1:08:32
  you know, the quality of your show.
• 1:08:34
  And, of course, Schwab given that
• 1:08:36
  recommendation, it means, you know, that you're...
• 1:08:40
  You know what you're doing. But so I
• 1:08:42
  apologize if I ramble a bit, getting into
• 1:08:44
  my stride, but I appreciate it, ma'am. All
• 1:08:46
  good. It was a lot of fun. Take
• 1:08:48
  care out there. Alright, ma'am.
• 1:08:52
  Sweet baby Jesus people can you believe it?
• 1:08:55
  The first interview from mop pad we made
• 1:08:58
  the cut. And I'm very happy with how
• 1:09:00
  it turned out. First interviews are always kinda
• 1:09:03
  of fun for me. It's a little risky
• 1:09:05
  though when you haven't heard a person's voice
• 1:09:07
  at all.
• 1:09:08
  It could be a terrible speaker or have
• 1:09:10
  some really thick accent that's hard to parse,
• 1:09:13
  but no.
• 1:09:14
  This was great.
• 1:09:16
  Kudos to the almighty powerful schwab for recommending
• 1:09:20
  us to each other.
• 1:09:22
  There are really interesting in things happening in
• 1:09:24
  that Twitter slash subs,
• 1:09:27
  anonymous space, and I'm happy to be dipping
• 1:09:29
  my toe into bringing them out on the
• 1:09:31
  main stage.
• 1:09:33
  I've always felt with this show. I only
• 1:09:36
  do 20 percent of the talking. It's usually
• 1:09:38
  the guests who get the floor for the
• 1:09:40
  majority of our time together.
• 1:09:42
  And if you really boil down what my
• 1:09:45
  talent is. I think it's just a
• 1:09:48
  talent scout for researchers of compelling material.
• 1:09:52
  I don't know if there's any single bigger
• 1:09:54
  source of my success than
• 1:09:57
  guest selection.
• 1:09:59
  And this was an example of a home
• 1:10:01
  run.
• 1:10:02
  I'm like a record label executive trying to
• 1:10:04
  fold in
• 1:10:05
  the best of the best under my umbrella.
• 1:10:07
  Hey, Come come over here and do some
• 1:10:09
  work for me.
• 1:10:12
  But I ended up feeling like we were
• 1:10:14
  a lot more similar than I might have
• 1:10:16
  expected just based off the persona of Pope
• 1:10:19
  and some of the stuff I see him
• 1:10:21
  right on Twitter or stuff that I wouldn't
• 1:10:23
  write, but whatever. It's all good.
• 1:10:26
  I like interesting characters,
• 1:10:29
  and I take them
• 1:10:30
  in their totality
• 1:10:32
  for better or worse, and I think Pope
• 1:10:34
  had qualifies as an interesting character.
• 1:10:38
  There's actually a lot of drama at the
• 1:10:40
  Vatican currently
• 1:10:41
  where they are saying according to Vatican law,
• 1:10:44
  Pope Benedict didn't act... Actually stepped down properly,
• 1:10:48
  and thus everything the new pope is done
• 1:10:50
  is invalid.
• 1:10:52
  And this isn't a small thing. I believe
• 1:10:54
  the guy who made the claim actually got
• 1:10:56
  ex communicated from the church. They're really trying
• 1:10:59
  to clamp down on people
• 1:11:02
  raising this issue, but it's bubbling up you
• 1:11:04
  know, as you try to clamp down on
• 1:11:06
  something.
• 1:11:07
  A lot of times, it gets away from
• 1:11:09
  you and you can't contain it, and that
• 1:11:11
  seems to be, you what's going on here.
• 1:11:13
  It's getting enough attention that my wife knows
• 1:11:15
  about it. So it must be a pretty
• 1:11:17
  big drama.
• 1:11:19
  And I was very close to adding that
• 1:11:22
  to our
• 1:11:23
  outline today because the initial point of getting
• 1:11:27
  together with pope head was to cover Vatican
• 1:11:30
  secrets and heresy and all that kind of
• 1:11:32
  stuff.
• 1:11:33
  But this occult geography
• 1:11:35
  material and the polar myth stuff just felt
• 1:11:38
  like
• 1:11:39
  a great Thc in the making,
• 1:11:41
  and so real complex of a story that
• 1:11:45
  if we gonna tackle it, there's really not
• 1:11:47
  room for anything else.
• 1:11:49
  But I love a well constructed epic narrative
• 1:11:52
  that ties in obscure information that I consider
• 1:11:55
  to have merit,
• 1:11:56
  and you could take this
• 1:11:58
  chronology this timeline and you could fold in
• 1:12:00
  the electric universe stuff to the very beginning
• 1:12:03
  of it, and I did bring that up
• 1:12:05
  in the plus show. It didn't seem like
• 1:12:07
  he was very aware of
• 1:12:09
  David Talbot and Wall Thorn hill, but he
• 1:12:12
  should be.
• 1:12:13
  And you would just take their model for
• 1:12:15
  the Golden age and slide it in with
• 1:12:18
  all this other material and it makes sense.
• 1:12:21
  Just a really fun 1 for me. Hear
• 1:12:23
  something from my notes that I didn't actually
• 1:12:25
  get to mention, but listen to this. So
• 1:12:28
  he says later in
• 1:12:29
  that unreal post that we did mention in
• 1:12:32
  the beginning to Quote,
• 1:12:34
  a friend of mine once said there are
• 1:12:36
  certain men walking around the Vatican that aren't
• 1:12:39
  really men.
• 1:12:40
  At first, I thought this was a sn
• 1:12:42
  remark on clerical
• 1:12:44
  versions, but later, I understood men in this
• 1:12:46
  case was not den debating masculinity entity, but
• 1:12:48
  person.
• 1:12:49
  And it would only be much later that
• 1:12:51
  I would realize that this truth did not
• 1:12:53
  just apply to the boundaries of Saint. Peter's
• 1:12:55
  Square,
• 1:12:57
  So that's interesting. And you would think that
• 1:12:59
  if there was some kind of
• 1:13:01
  rep
• 1:13:02
  hybrid over overload force that... It would have
• 1:13:05
  a power
• 1:13:07
  concentration center in the Vatican,
• 1:13:09
  but it obviously got cut because I just
• 1:13:11
  started chi away at things that didn't fit
• 1:13:14
  into the overall. Story, but it really does
• 1:13:16
  because the later parts of his story really
• 1:13:18
  talk about
• 1:13:19
  the na and the stories of fish slash
• 1:13:22
  rep
• 1:13:23
  slash
• 1:13:24
  amphibious
• 1:13:25
  divine hybrids.
• 1:13:27
  And he also talks about the parallels with
• 1:13:29
  the Fisher King Legends
• 1:13:31
  and S,
• 1:13:33
  And it's just another 1 of these
• 1:13:36
  cultural
• 1:13:37
  echoes of some kind of thing represented that
• 1:13:41
  we can't
• 1:13:42
  logically
• 1:13:43
  understand how it's possible, but yet many corners
• 1:13:46
  of the Earth have this
• 1:13:48
  motif.
• 1:13:49
  Always associated with some kind of teacher
• 1:13:52
  or leader
• 1:13:54
  or d,
• 1:13:55
  and maybe these weren't isolated incidents, but
• 1:13:59
  glimpse into some kind of real non human
• 1:14:02
  power structure on the planet.
• 1:14:04
  But, yes, if we do this again, I
• 1:14:06
  would certainly want him to elaborate
• 1:14:08
  on non humans walking around the Vatican.
• 1:14:11
  But it also makes me think of the
• 1:14:12
  George Adam stuff where these beans would come
• 1:14:15
  to him and say, hey, we created all
• 1:14:17
  these religions on the planet.
• 1:14:19
  We seeded these myths for you,
• 1:14:22
  and we like the attention that they get,
• 1:14:26
  he's really not the only 1 to say
• 1:14:28
  that, but I think it's really interesting to
• 1:14:30
  tie it together and say, well, these...
• 1:14:33
  Creatures
• 1:14:34
  like us to have stories that they use
• 1:14:37
  to kind of control slash inspire us,
• 1:14:41
  But from their perspective, it might be ego
• 1:14:44
  service,
• 1:14:45
  and they did this a long time ago,
• 1:14:46
  they occasionally make contact with individuals they think
• 1:14:50
  are
• 1:14:51
  worthy of engaging with, and they sometimes tell
• 1:14:54
  these people
• 1:14:56
  what they've done.
• 1:14:57
  And then they
• 1:14:58
  have a schedule of reinforcement where people have
• 1:15:01
  these random experiences of seen an angel or
• 1:15:04
  the virgin Mary and they're just laughing at
• 1:15:06
  us from behind that facade.
• 1:15:09
  And then if you think the general shape
• 1:15:11
  of something like that is true, well then
• 1:15:13
  it only stands to reason that a religion
• 1:15:15
  his power center on the planet would be
• 1:15:17
  largely ruled over by those who crafted the
• 1:15:20
  narrative.
• 1:15:21
  There's a lot of my mistake around that
• 1:15:23
  whole thing of his constantine teens vision of
• 1:15:25
  the cross.
• 1:15:27
  1 perspective is, well, he never had a
• 1:15:29
  vision at all, but he had to come
• 1:15:31
  up with some kind of excuse for why
• 1:15:33
  they adopt did Christianity.
• 1:15:36
  Obviously,
• 1:15:37
  the power center of the day saw some
• 1:15:39
  advantageous
• 1:15:40
  did reasoning to do that.
• 1:15:43
  And so they just did it. To me,
• 1:15:45
  that's a giveaway. You know, I'm not big
• 1:15:47
  on Christianity, but right there, it's like,
• 1:15:50
  A ruthless
• 1:15:51
  bloody power center is like, yeah, we're gonna
• 1:15:53
  adopt this and make this the standard thing.
• 1:15:58
  Is it out of the goodness of their
• 1:15:59
  heart and wanting to align with truth and
• 1:16:02
  promote truth?
• 1:16:03
  I doubt it. But then the alternative is
• 1:16:05
  that he did actually see a vision. And
• 1:16:08
  that these beings know who to show visions
• 1:16:10
  too if they want to propagate their own
• 1:16:13
  stories.
• 1:16:15
  It doesn't make it any less of a
• 1:16:17
  control mechanism, but it makes it a control
• 1:16:19
  mechanism from a higher
• 1:16:21
  more bizarre place.
• 1:16:24
  I don't know. Fun stuff to think about.
• 1:16:26
  But I did love this overall story as
• 1:16:29
  a whole
• 1:16:29
  it is hard to
• 1:16:32
  get it right for us because the way
• 1:16:34
  the show is split up,
• 1:16:36
  it's always my challenge. I tried to
• 1:16:39
  fit the gist into the first hour, so
• 1:16:41
  it sounds complete at least and then add
• 1:16:44
  context in detail in the second hour to
• 1:16:46
  flush it all out.
• 1:16:47
  I'm always trying to make a good interview
• 1:16:50
  that works on both levels, but with a
• 1:16:53
  big story, that is when it's the hardest
• 1:16:55
  to do.
• 1:16:56
  I think a lot of my colleagues could
• 1:16:58
  be
• 1:17:00
  suspected of using the whole first hour as
• 1:17:02
  teaser are material for a second hour, but
• 1:17:05
  in my mind,
• 1:17:06
  Your paid subscribers are still listening to the
• 1:17:09
  first hour, and you want them to put
• 1:17:11
  in an hour of their time before you
• 1:17:12
  get to the juicy stuff? No. No. No.
• 1:17:16
  You gotta try to interview people who have
• 1:17:18
  enough juicy stuff to fill 2 hours.
• 1:17:22
  But coming back to the overall story here,
• 1:17:24
  I could see it, we get rocked out
• 1:17:26
  of sync,
• 1:17:27
  and man has to leave the mythic north
• 1:17:29
  and come down to. Spread out around the
• 1:17:32
  rest of the planet. And if they were
• 1:17:34
  more advanced,
• 1:17:36
  then they likely shared that knowledge around with
• 1:17:39
  people they encountered and we get these legends
• 1:17:41
  of teachers.
• 1:17:43
  And then we recognize this out of Africa
• 1:17:45
  stuff is your typical
• 1:17:46
  inversion of the truth to And this stuff
• 1:17:49
  about a spiritual poll is interesting
• 1:17:52
  that it might be inside the earth or
• 1:17:54
  under the Himalayan himalayas, so the Go desert
• 1:17:56
  is fun
• 1:17:58
  We really just don't know. We have kind
• 1:18:00
  of realized that we can't trust the royal
• 1:18:03
  society.
• 1:18:04
  Or the tightly controlled academic class
• 1:18:08
  or the people who wrote the original books,
• 1:18:10
  obviously,
• 1:18:11
  that was very state controlled
• 1:18:14
  when printing came out.
• 1:18:16
  Only certain people could read and definitely only
• 1:18:19
  certain people could print a book.
• 1:18:22
  So when our entire histories are based off
• 1:18:24
  of just a few of these things or
• 1:18:28
  the writings of 1 particular Greek historian,
• 1:18:32
  I mean, we're putting a lot of trust
• 1:18:33
  and a lot of emphasis on
• 1:18:36
  crumbs,
• 1:18:38
  but whatever. I was very captivated by the
• 1:18:40
  shape of Pope head story. I like the
• 1:18:42
  things it explains in the logical through lines
• 1:18:45
  it takes.
• 1:18:47
  Again, I'll never really know. I'm not saying
• 1:18:49
  this is my new religion is just what
• 1:18:51
  I'm excited about this week.
• 1:18:54
  But it does put a lot of isolated
• 1:18:56
  pieces
• 1:18:57
  onto a coherent timeline.
• 1:19:00
  And I hope something you guys are pondering
• 1:19:04
  until the next show pops up.
• 1:19:06
  But if you still haven't become a plus
• 1:19:08
  map or maybe this is the 1 that
• 1:19:09
  draws you in. You never really know, but
• 1:19:11
  we added a lot of stuff to the
• 1:19:13
  second hour.
• 1:19:14
  We talked about... But para fictional stories in
• 1:19:17
  general, the shape of Hollow earth stories and
• 1:19:19
  how they seem to follow a type of
• 1:19:21
  template we've talked about before,
• 1:19:23
  But I think the best part of the
• 1:19:25
  plus show was the content about the Russian
• 1:19:28
  mystic, Nicholas
• 1:19:29
  Roi. And his tibetan expedition and seeing the
• 1:19:33
  Ufo.
• 1:19:34
  I mean, that just connects a lot of
• 1:19:36
  dots. But we also talked about the Blacks
• 1:19:38
  stone symbolism,
• 1:19:40
  and little myths and stories about a blacks
• 1:19:42
  stone and that stuff is
• 1:19:45
  provocative too.
• 1:19:46
  He flushed out the narrative even more, and
• 1:19:49
  I would hope that you would want to
• 1:19:50
  take advantage of the 7 day free trial
• 1:19:52
  and dive in. You're already an hour committed.
• 1:19:55
  So
• 1:19:56
  Immortality, take it. It's yours.
• 1:19:58
  Now let's talk about that last episode. As
• 1:20:01
  I said, Alex is a friend, and I'm
• 1:20:03
  a very loyal friend to my friend sometimes
• 1:20:06
  to a fault.
• 1:20:07
  It's worked a little different with work friends,
• 1:20:09
  but I've got life friends who have been
• 1:20:12
  really shitty at times,
• 1:20:14
  taken from me, fuck my girlfriends,
• 1:20:17
  etcetera, etcetera.
• 1:20:18
  And yet, I don't really quit people who
• 1:20:20
  make it into my inner circle.
• 1:20:23
  Usually that's a good thing, but not always.
• 1:20:26
  The shape of my personal tendencies is still
• 1:20:29
  there in the relation ships I've formed through
• 1:20:32
  this show.
• 1:20:33
  I can acknowledge that. And if Gordon Chris,
• 1:20:35
  Alex rec clues or a handful of other
• 1:20:38
  people ever have something out I'm not gonna
• 1:20:40
  say no.
• 1:20:41
  I don't know why I'm wired this way,
• 1:20:44
  but I just am, and it's why it
• 1:20:46
  took a very long time for t h.
• 1:20:48
  See to have any return guests. Because if
• 1:20:50
  I don't get close to anyone, then I
• 1:20:52
  don't have to feel weird about trying to
• 1:20:53
  pick and choose the material that I want
• 1:20:55
  to get into and the stuff I don't,
• 1:20:57
  see And as a bonus, when they mysteriously
• 1:21:00
  die slash, kill themselves, they won't loop me
• 1:21:03
  into
• 1:21:04
  that whole mess either.
• 1:21:06
  But with Alex, I mean, even his last
• 1:21:08
  book on evil,
• 1:21:10
  it did turn out to be something really
• 1:21:12
  great and interesting, but it's not something that
• 1:21:14
  I would have been dying to cover it
• 1:21:16
  wasn't someone I liked personally. And Ai is
• 1:21:19
  also gonna fit in there too.
• 1:21:21
  You're not hearing a lot of Ai talk
• 1:21:23
  on ta h. See not because I don't
• 1:21:25
  think it's getting a huge push to be
• 1:21:28
  the next part of the next phase of
• 1:21:30
  our digital lives. See But it's just so
• 1:21:33
  beaten to death across so many of the
• 1:21:36
  shows and media that I consume.
• 1:21:38
  And my attitude with stuff like that is
• 1:21:40
  that it's gonna come up naturally in chunks
• 1:21:44
  that it doesn't need to be the focus
• 1:21:46
  of an entire show very often. And this
• 1:21:48
  might be the 1 time. We do a
• 1:21:50
  show focused around
• 1:21:52
  an Ai book and the topic itself, then
• 1:21:56
  unless there's some Anthony patch like a cult
• 1:21:59
  angle that resonates with me or something.
• 1:22:02
  But in terms of a straight down the
• 1:22:03
  middle, look at Ai,
• 1:22:06
  It's not really a priority to me. And
• 1:22:08
  based off the rating, I think a lot
• 1:22:10
  of people will be happy.
• 1:22:12
  With what I'm saying because that show only
• 1:22:15
  got
• 1:22:16
  a 3.9
• 1:22:18
  yikes
• 1:22:19
  When I looked at it yesterday, it was
• 1:22:21
  a 4.1,
• 1:22:22
  which sounded a lot better, so I probably
• 1:22:24
  should have done this yesterday, but it is
• 1:22:25
  what it is.
• 1:22:27
  The comments were all over the place on
• 1:22:29
  that 1 too.
• 1:22:31
  As is usually the case with these topics
• 1:22:33
  that are everywhere. Everyone has an opinion,
• 1:22:36
  I didn't expect so much shade thrown at
• 1:22:38
  Alex himself. I think he's a great podcast
• 1:22:41
  and has a really compelling way of speaking,
• 1:22:44
  and
• 1:22:45
  Even with an average topic, I think he
• 1:22:47
  has the ability to elevate it and be
• 1:22:49
  very listen,
• 1:22:50
  clearly, not everyone agrees with that, but be
• 1:22:53
  comments that seem to
• 1:22:55
  mis interpret my own perspective
• 1:22:58
  were a little puzzling. I don't think I
• 1:23:00
  dismissed Ai
• 1:23:01
  overall.
• 1:23:02
  I mean, look, I am someone who is
• 1:23:04
  very curious about the
• 1:23:07
  state of new technology. I was on the
• 1:23:09
  Internet very early.
• 1:23:10
  I started playing around with content creation years
• 1:23:13
  before I had Thc even.
• 1:23:16
  When I was in college, actually, you might
• 1:23:18
  not know this, but I had
• 1:23:21
  installed a
• 1:23:23
  phone line in my room,
• 1:23:25
  and I put the number online, and then
• 1:23:27
  I made
• 1:23:28
  content based on the calls I would receive.
• 1:23:32
  Sometimes I answered it, and it was set
• 1:23:34
  to auto record, and then sometimes I just
• 1:23:36
  had messages that were left.
• 1:23:39
  And it wasn't very good. I had to
• 1:23:40
  sift through
• 1:23:42
  tons of bad stuff to try to pull
• 1:23:45
  out any
• 1:23:46
  little thing I could work with, but it
• 1:23:48
  was still fun, and I was
• 1:23:50
  really young. I mean, this is 2004
• 1:23:53
  or 5, just after high school.
• 1:23:56
  So I was doing that kind of thing
• 1:23:57
  way before I even had Thc. And
• 1:24:00
  even that was pretty early.
• 1:24:03
  For podcasting in general, and I bought Bitcoin
• 1:24:05
  when guys like Jeff Be were talking about
• 1:24:07
  it. On the air here,
• 1:24:10
  when it was only
• 1:24:11
  hundreds of dollars,
• 1:24:13
  not tens of thousands.
• 1:24:15
  I even saw value in n gaming.
• 1:24:19
  When a lot of money was being made
• 1:24:21
  on things like Wolf game.
• 1:24:24
  So
• 1:24:25
  I engage with things usual I keep an
• 1:24:27
  eye on the space. I'm not na to
• 1:24:30
  new technology.
• 1:24:32
  And with Ai, I wouldn't say it hadley
• 1:24:34
  0 value, but it has a long way
• 1:24:36
  to go and most of the applications for
• 1:24:38
  what I do,
• 1:24:40
  you know, transcript
• 1:24:41
  editing,
• 1:24:42
  automated show notes. There are tons of shows
• 1:24:45
  engaging with this stuff,
• 1:24:46
  and trying to take the easy road to
• 1:24:48
  get their content out there,
• 1:24:51
  but the quality
• 1:24:52
  is definitely
• 1:24:54
  not up to a standard where I think
• 1:24:56
  it's
• 1:24:57
  useful.
• 1:24:58
  If I can't push a button and be
• 1:25:00
  happy with what it gives me, and I
• 1:25:02
  have to
• 1:25:03
  basically comb through it all to confirm it
• 1:25:06
  good, then I might as well just do
• 1:25:07
  the work myself or give it to a
• 1:25:09
  human being who I trust and pay well
• 1:25:11
  to do it.
• 1:25:12
  I would say playing with its bias is
• 1:25:14
  pretty interest I mean, that's probably the most
• 1:25:16
  fun thing you can do with it right
• 1:25:18
  now.
• 1:25:19
  And Alex overall point about investors saying wanting
• 1:25:22
  more than a liberal talking point
• 1:25:25
  regurgitation platform
• 1:25:26
  is a really good and important point
• 1:25:30
  That tug of war between the quest for
• 1:25:33
  maximum profits and holding the progressive line,
• 1:25:36
  could get really interesting down the road.
• 1:25:40
  But when you see guys from the Department
• 1:25:42
  of Defense making it onto the boards of
• 1:25:44
  Ai companies,
• 1:25:46
  It looks like the guard rails are only
• 1:25:48
  gonna get stronger, not loosened.
• 1:25:50
  But eventually, I do think it will happen.
• 1:25:53
  Something will break through and will all be
• 1:25:54
  very
• 1:25:56
  intrigued by that thin.
• 1:25:58
  But with the Ai topic overall, I have
• 1:26:00
  to sift through a lot of stuff that
• 1:26:02
  I Don't find that impressive to try to
• 1:26:05
  hold up a few things where I can
• 1:26:06
  give it some credit in a 2 hour
• 1:26:08
  interview.
• 1:26:09
  I'm more aligned with the Chris K take
• 1:26:12
  that technology is not really advancing anymore.
• 1:26:15
  They're just finding ways to res shuffle the
• 1:26:18
  deck or
• 1:26:20
  rearrange the lego pieces and trying to make
• 1:26:22
  it seem like some great new
• 1:26:24
  innovation.
• 1:26:26
  The reason I'm on that page.
• 1:26:28
  The reason I conclude such a thing is
• 1:26:30
  because
• 1:26:31
  to me, all what would be the real
• 1:26:34
  breakthroughs are quarantined.
• 1:26:36
  The ether can't be acknowledged, hemp can't be
• 1:26:39
  used as a fuel, rife devices can't come
• 1:26:41
  to market, etcetera, etcetera.
• 1:26:43
  Within the narrow lanes of what they have
• 1:26:48
  considered or allowed to be considered to be
• 1:26:50
  valid,
• 1:26:51
  Well, it's pretty much picked over.
• 1:26:54
  I don't think you can squeeze any more
• 1:26:56
  excitement out of it.
• 1:26:57
  But whatever, there are very few perspectives, I'm
• 1:27:01
  truly a attached to, but sometimes I say
• 1:27:05
  something
• 1:27:06
  kind of off the cuff, and then a
• 1:27:07
  person will really go off on how they've
• 1:27:10
  lost faith in me over that 1 sentence
• 1:27:12
  I said.
• 1:27:14
  And
• 1:27:15
  I think that's kinda silly.
• 1:27:17
  I try to craft a show where you
• 1:27:19
  don't even have to like me to enjoy
• 1:27:22
  the guest, and I try to give them
• 1:27:23
  enough space that that's always true and maybe
• 1:27:26
  I'll even try to give them a little
• 1:27:27
  more than I have recently.
• 1:27:29
  But all you have to like is my
• 1:27:31
  guest selection ability. You know even have to
• 1:27:33
  like my personality or anything
• 1:27:36
  about me.
• 1:27:37
  That's okay.
• 1:27:39
  As I often say, hey, we're just talking
• 1:27:42
  here, may
• 1:27:43
  It's not that serious.
• 1:27:45
  We're not making any major decisions about the
• 1:27:47
  world.
• 1:27:48
  And even if we were,
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  If this is just a big sandbox for
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  physical experience, and I don't know if even
• 1:27:54
  that would matter.
• 1:27:56
  It's all okay. But, yeah, 3.9
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  sucks.
• 1:28:00
  Don't like to see that.
• 1:28:02
  And I think we did a lot better
• 1:28:03
  today, but you tell me, plus people know
• 1:28:05
  how to make their voices heard, and we'll
• 1:28:08
  see on the next 1.
• 1:28:09
  If my intuition is correct.
• 1:28:12
  Okay. And now we will look at the
• 1:28:14
  meetup calendar, and that actually reminds me. I
• 1:28:18
  checked the Po box. The other day, And
• 1:28:20
  there was a really nice sympathy card from
• 1:28:22
  the folks at the Raleigh North Carolina Meetup.
• 1:28:24
  Big thanks to everyone who was a part
• 1:28:26
  of that, because Some of the names are
• 1:28:28
  a little hard to read on this card,
• 1:28:30
  but Darren, Weston and Amber, Derek and Pam,
• 1:28:34
  Taylor and Mary Ruth, let me say that
• 1:28:37
  it did mean a lot. My wife and
• 1:28:38
  I had a good cry
• 1:28:40
  in the post office parking lot.
• 1:28:43
  And it was very
• 1:28:44
  unexpected.
• 1:28:46
  Thanks, A ton. And now for the next
• 1:28:48
  events on the calendar,
• 1:28:50
  July eighteenth, the La truth meetup at the
• 1:28:54
  coral tree,
• 1:28:55
  July 20 fourth Eugene Oregon at the Oak
• 1:28:59
  pub a house
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  and July 20 fourth in Pasadena at the
• 1:29:04
  corner Bakery cafe.
• 1:29:06
  Looks like we
• 1:29:07
  b Don't have any new events and 1
• 1:29:10
  happened in between the last shown and this
• 1:29:12
  1. So we're down to just 3 events
• 1:29:13
  in July.
• 1:29:15
  Tens of thousands of listeners all across this
• 1:29:18
  great land and nobody wants to meet other
• 1:29:21
  listeners.
• 1:29:23
  Alright. I know we're a weird bunch,
• 1:29:25
  I know you're taking a little bit of
• 1:29:26
  a risk, but if you just put a
• 1:29:29
  business you enjoy.
• 1:29:31
  On the calendar.
• 1:29:32
  I think even the nature of me reading
• 1:29:34
  it out
• 1:29:35
  is kind of interesting. It's kinda like a
• 1:29:37
  free ad for a local business
• 1:29:40
  Then you just go to a place you
• 1:29:42
  like, have a few drinks have a meal,
• 1:29:44
  and there will be other people in your
• 1:29:45
  proximity that you might enjoy the company of.
• 1:29:49
  And if you don't,
• 1:29:50
  well, I think we've always wasted plenty of
• 1:29:52
  afternoons.
• 1:29:54
  But you know my spiel network with the
• 1:29:57
  like minded locals
• 1:29:58
  There's so many things you could do. It's
• 1:30:00
  good to just have contacts
• 1:30:03
  in your phone that
• 1:30:05
  are on your page, but you could even
• 1:30:07
  go further and find the right people and
• 1:30:10
  buy an acre of land for cheap on
• 1:30:12
  the outskirts of town and plant a bunch
• 1:30:14
  of food producing plants and trees and just
• 1:30:17
  find treat as your own personal
• 1:30:20
  nature's,
• 1:30:21
  grocery store.
• 1:30:23
  You can create enough abundance for 3 or
• 1:30:25
  4 families.
• 1:30:26
  No problem.
• 1:30:28
  And these are the kinds of people that
• 1:30:29
  would do that for you. Maybe you need
• 1:30:31
  to know where to find a good local
• 1:30:32
  rancher. These are resources that you can
• 1:30:36
  use.
• 1:30:37
  I'm sure some of you have moved recently
• 1:30:39
  like I did, and now you have to
• 1:30:41
  find all those obscure resources that aren't full
• 1:30:44
  of talks and all the bullshit. While these
• 1:30:47
  are the people who might know.
• 1:30:50
  Maybe just need a good weed hook up.
• 1:30:51
  I don't know,
• 1:30:53
  but there are many options, and
• 1:30:55
  the only limitation is your own creativity.
• 1:31:00
  Alright. Well, yeah, that's it. I guess, I
• 1:31:03
  appreciate Pope had taking a chance with me.
• 1:31:06
  I know you will enjoy his subs if
• 1:31:08
  you ever want to
• 1:31:10
  see some of this stuff flushed out even
• 1:31:12
  more so than what we can cover in
• 1:31:14
  a conversation, like
• 1:31:16
  And, of course, the series is ongoing along
• 1:31:18
  with several others that he's juggling, but that
• 1:31:21
  is the show.
• 1:31:23
  Redeem myself early this July,
• 1:31:26
  I hope.
• 1:31:27
  And I'll see you next time. I've done
• 1:31:28
  my part your move. Polar myth concealer deceptive
• 1:31:32
  history reveal and guardians of the spiritual center
• 1:31:35
  of this island earth.
• 1:31:37
  Your
• 1:31:38
  fucking
• 1:31:39
  move.
• 1:31:41
  From space was fall,
• 1:31:43
  its light started calling,
• 1:31:45
  it's making. Crop circles
• 1:31:47
  again.
• 1:31:49
  Just as I was looking up, it showed
• 1:31:51
  me all the hidden stuff and now I'm
• 1:31:54
  all enlightened zen.
• 1:31:58
  Waking on the masses is hard.
• 1:32:01
  Silver ships are coming up
• 1:32:38
  said.
• 1:32:44
  Glow
• 1:32:46
  end up.
• 1:32:50
  The.
• 1:32:53
  Ships