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NFL Week 4 DFS Takedown Breakdown | September 29, 2025 | DraftKings DFS Lineup Review and Analysis · Daily Fantasy Sports by Ship It Nation

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  Speaker 1: Yah, all system's going clear the lift up? What's up everyone?
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  Speaker 1: Tyler Tamblin here aka to Tag and Tambo back for
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  Speaker 1: another edition of the Takedown Breakdown. Got my guy, Naid's
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  Speaker 1: here with me. We're gonna have a special guest. Mister
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  Speaker 1: Sean Sullivan Jr. Is gonna come in later and take
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  Speaker 1: all the criticisms and the fun stuff too. But we
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  Speaker 1: love Sean and we appreciate him doing that, just like
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  Speaker 1: we had Tyler on last week. Shut up to him
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  Speaker 1: and thanks again to and then Paula who came on
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  Speaker 1: with us last week. A huge day for the community.
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  Speaker 1: Yes today, bring it up in a little bit. But
• 1:01
  Speaker 1: needs you must have stayed up late to watch the
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  Speaker 1: tie the tie ball game for your Packers. Man, how'd
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  Speaker 1: that go?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah?
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  Speaker 3: It was, I mean just frustrating, but hey, anytime you
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  Speaker 3: can you can get out with with less than a loss.
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  Speaker 2: It is good fun game. That's all I care about.
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  Speaker 3: I know Discord was going back and forth and this
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  Speaker 3: and that this team sucks, that team sucks, blah blah blah.
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  Speaker 2: Like I was just happy. It was a good game,
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  Speaker 2: back and forth and fun.
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  Speaker 3: Right the last couple of primetime games I wanted to
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  Speaker 3: gouge my eyes out with with with pencils, it felt like,
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  Speaker 3: because it was miserable there. Overall, not the best Sunday,
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  Speaker 3: but we got two games on on the docket tonight,
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  Speaker 3: got some money back there freaking and Donnie Mitchell, what
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  Speaker 3: a dumb ass. I mean, we're gonna talk about that.
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  Speaker 3: But that that made that game go completely different. That
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  Speaker 3: could have spent that game up big time obviously there,
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  Speaker 3: and it was a pretty big game, and I know
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  Speaker 3: a lot of members benefited and and some probably didn't,
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  Speaker 3: but that's just the nature of the beast and the
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  Speaker 3: way it goes.
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  Speaker 2: But overall, pretty pretty good Sunday.
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  Speaker 3: And more importantly, the nation smashed in multiple different facets,
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  Speaker 3: not just M and me, so we had some massive,
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  Speaker 3: massive single entry wins things like that. So overall, good
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  Speaker 3: day and looking forward to breaking it down.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be a good one to break down.
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  Speaker 1: And by the way, spoiler alert, Mahomes broke the streak.
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  Speaker 1: He ended up on the twenty dollars million maker winner.
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  Speaker 1: We will talk about that because I think it's still
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  Speaker 1: interesting and some just see it one way, others see
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  Speaker 1: it differently. I certainly still see it differently. And it's
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  Speaker 1: not even my bias. I'll show you when we get there.
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  Speaker 1: But just to note special congrats right here our guy
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  Speaker 1: Jay Walk and he's a founding Family Day One member
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  Speaker 1: got to meet him in Detroit when we were at
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  Speaker 1: the Fantasy Golf Live Final a couple of years ago,
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  Speaker 1: and he played his homer defense with Detroit, which got
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  Speaker 1: the job done. He did have a Donna Mitchell and
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  Speaker 1: it was still needed. And this was right up leverage lane.
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  Speaker 1: Baby Me and Alex did the show on Saturday. I
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  Speaker 1: left the show off. I said, I like Stafford, I
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  Speaker 1: like Adams, I like Puka, and I like a Donna Mitchell,
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  Speaker 1: and you can put them all together and whatever. And again,
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  Speaker 1: is Mitchell the chalkiest three K guy at ten percent? Fine,
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  Speaker 1: but you can get away with it. You could have
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  Speaker 1: even more if he got that touchdown, but people just
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  Speaker 1: don't see it the right way. Like if you look
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  Speaker 1: two percent Stafford Adams is like five to seven percent
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  Speaker 1: in most places, you could get away with a ton,
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  Speaker 1: but overstacking the spot and then playing a different defense,
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  Speaker 1: like the Lions getting a piece of that game at
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  Speaker 1: home with Buffalo where they're gonna put up that team
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  Speaker 1: total was there again, not everything will make the Millie
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  Speaker 1: Maker each week, but the one hundred dollars single entry
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  Speaker 1: two hundred and seventeen points phenomenal job. Shout out to
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  Speaker 1: Jay Walking. There was a bunch of other ones. I'm
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  Speaker 1: the dude, got to give him credits that as it
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  Speaker 1: weren't for Tambo talking about them on shows with Satellites
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  Speaker 1: and DFS Mastermind. He's got a couple five fifty five
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  Speaker 1: and three thirty three tickets over Mocklevin, Papa Gates beating
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  Speaker 1: out those guys, just playing the best of the best
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  Speaker 1: and getting the job done all. I mean, this one's
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  Speaker 1: super loaded GQ and X Macklovin, elusive smoke and Papa Gates.
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  Speaker 1: That's for of the best players out there and getting
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  Speaker 1: the job done. There one hundred and thirteen dollars to
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  Speaker 1: twenty two hundred for Jacob Stubbs, one thousand to almost
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  Speaker 1: six thousand for Sharks. He said, it's no Jay Walkin,
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  Speaker 1: but very good day. And then our guy from last week, Tyler,
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  Speaker 1: who was on with us, he you know, nineteen bucks
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  Speaker 1: into an eleven eleven mid season main events, seat two
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  Speaker 1: other five to fifty five tickets, fifty bucks to one thousand,
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  Speaker 1: ninety nine dollars into a fourteen hundred ish in cash
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  Speaker 1: and three huge tickets, so many more were out there,
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  Speaker 1: but it was a huge day four ship at Nation.
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  Speaker 1: Congrats again to all the winners, Naids. Let's start this
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  Speaker 1: off as we always do, and look at the perfect lineup.
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  Speaker 1: Pooka had the ceiling game. We were saying, he can
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  Speaker 1: get the forty, maybe that can just drag a guy
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  Speaker 1: like Stafford along, and then what if he has, you know,
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  Speaker 1: is throwing it deep to guys like Devonte Adams, And
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  Speaker 1: you know that's the thing. The condensed target tree is
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  Speaker 1: more the focus than it is of the plays. Like people,
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  Speaker 1: just look at it. We're just playing the game. This
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  Speaker 1: lineup is interesting because of Justice Hill, but outside of
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  Speaker 1: Justice Hill and forty nine two hundred, just bump him
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  Speaker 1: up to like whatever. I mean, even Scat fits in
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  Speaker 1: there with the money eight hundred bucks left, and yes
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  Speaker 1: it's much less points, but this is almost two hundred
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  Speaker 1: and sixty. What was it that took down the Millie?
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  Speaker 1: We got it up here. I'll have it up in
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  Speaker 1: a second anyway, but it was two and thirty nine
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  Speaker 1: took down the Millie, So it'd be close enough. But
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  Speaker 1: give me your thoughts on this lineup.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, overall, My first kind of thoughts are the Stafford piece,
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  Speaker 3: which you were very sharp with being in there front
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  Speaker 3: on the leverage lane right on Saturday morning. If you
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  Speaker 3: guys haven't watched that show, I highly suggested very very
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  Speaker 3: good talking points. Actually a spoiler alert, right, the Mahomes
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  Speaker 3: talk happened on that show. The Stafford talk happened on
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  Speaker 3: that show. If you just literally listen to that show
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  Speaker 3: that Jalen Hurts stuff which I was in on pretty
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  Speaker 3: pretty heavy that you guys talked about there was looking
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  Speaker 3: really good until that game just went nuts.
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  Speaker 2: I mean, the defense touching kind of through that crazy.
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  Speaker 3: But for this build here, the Stafford Puka kind of
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  Speaker 3: skinny stack is really nice. Not only that because Stafford
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  Speaker 3: is a pivot off of all of those Caleb Williams,
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  Speaker 3: that Gino Smith's all of that, but everybody wanted to
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  Speaker 3: play Puka. Well, if Puka goes out there at seventy
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  Speaker 3: nine dollars on this slate and get you the thirty
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  Speaker 3: five to forty points that you're hoping he gets to
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  Speaker 3: take down the tournament at that kind of ownership, why
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  Speaker 3: was nobody playing a pocket passing guy on the other
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  Speaker 3: side in Stafford, Right, that was also leveraging the other
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  Speaker 3: quarterbacks on the slate. So that's a very sharp take there.
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  Speaker 3: You don't need to run it back right, because who
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  Speaker 3: you're gonna run it back with? Right, there's Downs, there's
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  Speaker 3: there's Pittman, there's a Donnie Mitchell, there's Tyler Warren. You
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  Speaker 3: kind of got to guess, right, and you gotta figure
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  Speaker 3: out where you're going there. I want to talk about
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  Speaker 3: the combo pack here of Amari Hampton and Quentin Johnson.
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  Speaker 3: How you could have got on a build like that,
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  Speaker 3: Quintin Johnston, while you were already leveraging the Jacoby Myers
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  Speaker 3: in a build like this, right, you already were leveraging
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  Speaker 3: the Jacoby Myers.
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  Speaker 2: Trey Tucker brought Bauer stuff with Ashja Gentry. Well, if
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  Speaker 2: you're leveraging that, why not leverage that in the same
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  Speaker 2: tier on the same team, and say, Amari Hampton's getting
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  Speaker 2: going on the ground in Quentin Johnson's supplies. Guess what,
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  Speaker 2: he can catch footballs, he does score touchdowns. That is
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  Speaker 2: a good game environment on the slate against the Giants
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  Speaker 2: in that same price point one hundred dollars more then
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  Speaker 2: Jacoby Myers, Quentin Johnston right there when you're already playing
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  Speaker 2: Ashton Gentry.
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  Speaker 3: So I like that a lot. And then just plugging
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  Speaker 3: in the good floor plays right, Jake London has the
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  Speaker 3: target floor every game. It was a good game environment there.
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  Speaker 3: People were in on it. Pennis doubles showed up in
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  Speaker 3: a lot of places to win money that Hey, yeah,
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  Speaker 3: you might have not got all the way to the top,
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  Speaker 3: but you were pretty happy if you if you went
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  Speaker 3: out there and played the penix doubles. And then the
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  Speaker 3: Lion's defense pivot off of the Bills, right, everybody was
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  Speaker 3: in on that Bills game. Bills are going to win
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  Speaker 3: by seventy two hundred dollars, lest pivot down to the
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  Speaker 3: Lions defense.
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  Speaker 2: Shot with the title for that one. Yeah there, surprise, surprise.
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  Speaker 2: Guess what.
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  Speaker 3: The Lions were pretty close to just as high of
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  Speaker 3: a favorite at home against Joe Flacco, who if you
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  Speaker 3: have to assume, right, the Lions are going to put
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  Speaker 3: up and people were talking about a Monro and Gibbs
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  Speaker 3: and this and that, and the Lions are the real deal.
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  Speaker 3: Nobody wanted to play their defense. They did get some
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  Speaker 3: steam as people kind of moved off of the bills
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  Speaker 3: and things like that, But I mean still sub ten percent,
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  Speaker 3: two hundred dollars less.
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  Speaker 2: Than the Chalckey's defense. One of the Chockey's defense is
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  Speaker 2: on the slate.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, over over ninety percent of the field didn't play them.
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  Speaker 1: So that's so like again when people know but they
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  Speaker 1: steamed up to ten percent, Like you're just you're you're
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  Speaker 1: lost in the sauce of this ownership game where it's
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  Speaker 1: like there's ninety percent didn't If you go in a
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  Speaker 1: room and there's ten people and nine of them disappear,
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  Speaker 1: it's you and one other person. Is that the chalk?
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  Speaker 1: Like nine people just left the room. That's what we're saying.
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  Speaker 1: Nine out of every ten lineups did not have it.
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  Speaker 1: So people focus way too much on a number meaning
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  Speaker 1: something when it's everything else that goes with it. Another
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  Speaker 1: thing you pointed out slightly and I just want to
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  Speaker 1: make that notion is like a couple different things, but
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  Speaker 1: like fifty four hundred dollars chalk Myers and then sixty
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  Speaker 1: two hundred genty Like some people say, like how are
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  Speaker 1: these two? Like Quentin Johnston has nothing to do with
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  Speaker 1: gent but it does, because that's the move right. If
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  Speaker 1: you're not playing Myers, you're thinking those points are going somewhere.
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  Speaker 1: If you're not on Myers and you're not on Bowers
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  Speaker 1: and you're thinking these points go somewhere else, then that's
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  Speaker 1: why genty makes sense. And again Genty did not get
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  Speaker 1: enough love versus what he could have. Sixteen percent was
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  Speaker 1: nothing when other guys are forty percent on the slate.
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  Speaker 1: And again it's eight point five eight round it down.
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  Speaker 1: Eight out of the ten people leave the room, there's
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  Speaker 1: only you and two others, Like you're still trying to
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  Speaker 1: get it down to that spot where it's it's the
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  Speaker 1: name of the game as being you the only person
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  Speaker 1: left in the room spoiler alert. The room is the
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  Speaker 1: top of the tournament. You want to be the one
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  Speaker 1: at the top. You want to be the last person standing.
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  Speaker 1: And that's the whole point of this is beating up
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  Speaker 1: the field. There's tons of different ways you could put
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  Speaker 1: it together. I know you Dekow had a really nice
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  Speaker 1: lineup that we'll look at later as well. In the
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  Speaker 1: MILLI and everywhere else won some live final seats and
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  Speaker 1: things like that that I thought was set up quite nicely.
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  Speaker 1: Too many people focus on like the Justice Hill stuff.
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  Speaker 1: This just doesn't matter. That's yeah, you're gonna find plays
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  Speaker 1: on the optimal that sneak through. But there was a
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  Speaker 1: lot of stuff that went with this lineup that makes sense.
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  Speaker 1: So let me catch up here in aides. I got
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  Speaker 1: a couple other things I want to go to. We're
• 9:45
  Speaker 1: gonna be bringing Sean on after other notes. Just over
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  Speaker 1: at Ship and Nation the stack rankings. The second best
• 9:51
  Speaker 1: stack ranking was the Stafford Nikua Adams. You could then
• 9:55
  Speaker 1: move pieces around it. If you like Tyler Warren, you
• 9:57
  Speaker 1: could fit other pieces in around that. If you're not
• 10:00
  Speaker 1: playing Gino and the passing stack up there, why not
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  Speaker 1: play gent We've talked about this honor times. You're not
• 10:05
  Speaker 1: on Herbert and his pass attack, why not play Hampton?
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  Speaker 1: Starting to see the build like, that's literally the builds
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  Speaker 1: that's at the top of all your tournaments yesterday, and
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  Speaker 1: that's I'm just focused on the top three spots here,
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  Speaker 1: Deebo Warren. If you got to Pittman instead, if you're
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  Speaker 1: not on Flacco, maybe play the defense against it. If
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  Speaker 1: you want to play Henry, he did just fine. Like
• 10:24
  Speaker 1: a lot of what you're looking for is right up
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  Speaker 1: here in this top and then you can build your
• 10:29
  Speaker 1: lineup accordingly. So that was the other thing too. The
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  Speaker 1: secondary stack of a lot of people playing Nikua with
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  Speaker 1: Warren still was fine and turned out to be great.
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  Speaker 1: But what like we said, just build on top of
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  Speaker 1: that foundation, right, going back to the house analogies and
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  Speaker 1: the penthouse and the levels to it. That's like a
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  Speaker 1: nice foundation. Now can you build up right? Can you
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  Speaker 1: build up to the penthouse? And our guy Jay Walkin
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  Speaker 1: did just that with his lineup with Stafford, Pooka, Adams, Mitchell, Warren.
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  Speaker 1: It could only be better if Mitchell hung onto the touchdown.
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  Speaker 1: Then he filled it out with guys like Hampton and
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  Speaker 1: gent whatever else was there. So just looking at it
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  Speaker 1: from that perspective I think is key. And then using
• 11:05
  Speaker 1: the stone. We don't do this enough on this show, notes,
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  Speaker 1: but to talk about how good it is. We call
• 11:08
  Speaker 1: it the best tool in DFS. It is for a reason.
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  Speaker 1: But this was a great thing yesterday. And again I
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  Speaker 1: know some people will look at it from the perspective
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  Speaker 1: of like the ownership was wrong, we adjust for what
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  Speaker 1: we can and going into the slate and whatnot, But
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  Speaker 1: like it was really tricky yesterday because I don't think
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  Speaker 1: people saw James Cook getting to forty percent. But the
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  Speaker 1: thing we did note on the show was this optimal
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  Speaker 1: on Bijon was super high, and we were saying, how
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  Speaker 1: can he get to nineteen if we think CMC we
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  Speaker 1: were using as the example, is gonna move up the
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  Speaker 1: board quite a bit. And he did, by the way,
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  Speaker 1: get to like thirty one percent, So we were closer
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  Speaker 1: there and everything else. But when you see James Cook
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  Speaker 1: stealing it all and moving up because of the savings,
• 11:45
  Speaker 1: this just gets better. Right, the optimal rate's gonna stay similar,
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  Speaker 1: but the leverage becomes that much more because it's just
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  Speaker 1: going against this, right, it's going against the ownership here.
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  Speaker 1: So for me, that was a play that I wish
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  Speaker 1: I had got a lot more of as the day
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  Speaker 1: went on, and just sort of looking at that slate
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  Speaker 1: as a whole, I thought Bijan was in a really
• 12:03
  Speaker 1: good spot. I said on the show, if you were
• 12:05
  Speaker 1: moving away from San Francisco, that's the one spot I
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  Speaker 1: could see it making sense, Like there's no guarantee that
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  Speaker 1: CMC keeps it up. Now he did do his classic
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  Speaker 1: twenty six points, that's great, But if you wanted to
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  Speaker 1: get some different options and things in there. You could
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  Speaker 1: do it that way, but Cook came through. You go
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  Speaker 1: down the board. Detroit d by the way, was right
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  Speaker 1: up there, and it was even more leverage because it
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  Speaker 1: only came in at about nine percent. So if you look,
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  Speaker 1: they were way up there the board. Again, people complaining
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  Speaker 1: about the Texans chock. They were the optimal looking defense
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  Speaker 1: for a reason. That's where the ownership came from in
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  Speaker 1: that situation. Even keep going down, Henry had himself a
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  Speaker 1: good day. Who else are we trying to see here?
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  Speaker 1: Obviously Hampton had one of the higher optimals Barkley, who
• 12:46
  Speaker 1: ended up doing okay but just wasn't really needed. I mean,
• 12:48
  Speaker 1: he was up there. You look at that Igbuka Puka
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  Speaker 1: obviously popping off the page. Look for a different way
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  Speaker 1: to play them. But when both these guys are popping
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: and Warren's popping on the other side, it actually was
• 12:58
  Speaker 1: Pittman here if you could have got to him again.
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  Speaker 1: I worry a lot less about this when I'm focused
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  Speaker 1: on this. What I like to see is this with
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  Speaker 1: this six point two, and it ended up coming in
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  Speaker 1: way less like two to four percent depending on where
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  Speaker 1: you look. So yeah, definitely more of a more of
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  Speaker 1: a math game than picks, like our guy Richard says,
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  Speaker 1: you know, always thinking about it from that perspective, just
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  Speaker 1: to get a little bit different. That's something you want
• 13:22
  Speaker 1: to do. If you guys want to check it out,
• 13:23
  Speaker 1: go to ship a nation. You can go to join
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  Speaker 1: the nation right now. You can try out a week
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  Speaker 1: thirty four or forty four dollars, depending on what you
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  Speaker 1: want to get. But if you go to the one
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  Speaker 1: thirty nine plan and just click it, it's already got
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  Speaker 1: the code built in. You'll get your first month of
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: Starter with all the additional features for ninety seven dollars
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  Speaker 1: instead of one thirty nine, So keep that in mind
• 13:43
  Speaker 1: as you're checking it out. Let's go to the Millimaker
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  Speaker 1: needs and I'll let you give first thoughts on this. Say, hey,
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  Speaker 1: fifty six and I didn't even look up how many
• 13:51
  Speaker 1: lineups they played, but we finally do see a Mahomes
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  Speaker 1: one hundred and one slates later we get to a
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Mahomes Millimaker winner and barely but still it got there,
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  Speaker 1: so we got to give it credit. What's your thoughts
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  Speaker 1: on this?
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so they whoever this is, congrats for the million oh,
• 14:07
  Speaker 3: Twitter and X is gonna go crazy slander and the
• 14:09
  Speaker 3: how disgusting this lineup is right, but you can still
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  Speaker 3: pull takes from it. In terms of the lineup, he
• 14:15
  Speaker 3: played nine lineups and had two lineups with Patrick Mahomes there,
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  Speaker 3: so lightning strikes in a bottle once in a while
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  Speaker 3: and in the tune of a million dollars, So nobody
• 14:25
  Speaker 3: can say shit about a million dollars there, but I'll
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  Speaker 3: hit on the Patrick Mahomes. If there was a time
• 14:31
  Speaker 3: to play Patrick Mahomes, it was this. But how you
• 14:34
  Speaker 3: play Patrick Mahomes right with nine lineups? You just say
• 14:37
  Speaker 3: screw it. I'm not gonna take the rule at Juju
• 14:40
  Speaker 3: Smith right. Let me just pull up and I know
• 14:43
  Speaker 3: you were talking about it and you posted it in
• 14:46
  Speaker 3: the discord. Congrats to your Patrick Mahomes, Hollywood Brown, Isaiah
• 14:52
  Speaker 3: put check out right. The list goes on and on,
• 14:54
  Speaker 3: So I mean, if you weren't going to take a
• 14:56
  Speaker 3: gas and the roulette on Karehem Hunt put check Worthy
• 15:00
  Speaker 3: coming back, Hollywood Brown, Taekwon Thornton still involved in that offense,
• 15:03
  Speaker 3: Travis Kelsey, Gray, Juju Smith, Schuster, I mean, you've got
• 15:06
  Speaker 3: a million targets. We know Mahomes spread it there on
• 15:08
  Speaker 3: if there was a time in a way to play them,
• 15:10
  Speaker 3: it was playing them naked because at six k right,
• 15:13
  Speaker 3: he's also Mahomes did get some steam, but he's lower
• 15:17
  Speaker 3: owned than guys like Gino and that that that are
• 15:19
  Speaker 3: lower for a little bit more expensive there. So if
• 15:21
  Speaker 3: you're not on the Gino stuff right, because you're going
• 15:23
  Speaker 3: to a Patrick Mahomes naked plugging in Ashton gentry there right,
• 15:27
  Speaker 3: and still using Rome who looks great, heavily involved in
• 15:30
  Speaker 3: the offense half the ownership he was last week in
• 15:33
  Speaker 3: the weeks before that, everybody wanted to play there. You're
• 15:35
  Speaker 3: still plugging it in the good Puka play there, but the
• 15:39
  Speaker 3: Jake Tong's play, right, you're using a value at a
• 15:43
  Speaker 3: different position, right, You're not using a Donnie Mitchell as
• 15:47
  Speaker 3: a skinny stack who picked up all the steam at
• 15:49
  Speaker 3: thirty one hundred dollars across from Puka Nakua. You throw
• 15:54
  Speaker 3: that thirty one hundred dollars in a onesie position because
• 15:56
  Speaker 3: you're not on Christian mccafrey from the same team. And hey,
• 15:58
  Speaker 3: maybe Jake Tong steals two touchdow right from McCaffrey when
• 16:01
  Speaker 3: you're not on McCaffrey. And when you're not on McCaffrey, well,
• 16:04
  Speaker 3: guess what you're leveraging the running back build with the
• 16:08
  Speaker 3: mid tier Ashton Gentry, who's tied to Roma Dude's and
• 16:12
  Speaker 3: then Bucky Irving in that massive total game there, who
• 16:16
  Speaker 3: nobody wanted to click, and Bucky still just as involved.
• 16:19
  Speaker 3: I mean, Bucky is basically the poor man's version of
• 16:22
  Speaker 3: CMC in that in that Tampa Bay offense there. So overall,
• 16:27
  Speaker 3: I think this build is really good, and I want
• 16:29
  Speaker 3: to hit on the Woody Mark stuff, so I think
• 16:33
  Speaker 3: this is it is a good comp But you could
• 16:35
  Speaker 3: have threw Texas defense in there, which would have got
• 16:37
  Speaker 3: you to Woody Marks as well. But I think throwing
• 16:40
  Speaker 3: the Woody Marks play in there forty four hundred dollars.
• 16:42
  Speaker 3: Guess who else was super chalk in that range. I
• 16:46
  Speaker 3: get it, it's a different position, but guess what, you
• 16:48
  Speaker 3: can play three running backs. You could play him in
• 16:50
  Speaker 3: the flex Trey Tucker. Trey Tucker came in an almost
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: twenty percent in the milliy at forty two hundred dollars.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Well, you're not on that offense.
• 16:57
  Speaker 3: You're Saint Ashton Gentry eats everybody's launch in that offense,
• 17:00
  Speaker 3: where well, Texas was the biggest favorites on the slate.
• 17:03
  Speaker 3: At home, everybody was slamming Texas defense. What he marks,
• 17:08
  Speaker 3: the snaps have gone up. All the talk was, this
• 17:10
  Speaker 3: is the rookie, he's taken over this backfield. He's got
• 17:13
  Speaker 3: a onesie position value guy. Right, you didn't need what
• 17:15
  Speaker 3: he marks to ship yesterday. But it was a process
• 17:18
  Speaker 3: of results. You weren't going in there and starting your
• 17:20
  Speaker 3: build saying I'm gonna play forty four hundred dollars what
• 17:23
  Speaker 3: he marks, right, But when you're start filling things out,
• 17:25
  Speaker 3: you could have moved Bucky Irving up here and play
• 17:28
  Speaker 3: Trey Tucker in the flex and he went to win
• 17:30
  Speaker 3: the million, right, So little things like that, it's a
• 17:33
  Speaker 3: process of results. And then double pivoting up to the
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: Detroit defense as a chalk right as a pivot off
• 17:40
  Speaker 3: the Houston defense there because you're playing Puka, you're playing London,
• 17:44
  Speaker 3: you're playing these.
• 17:45
  Speaker 2: Guys that are higher on.
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: So overall you can pull a lot from this build.
• 17:48
  Speaker 3: And a lot of people will look at this build
• 17:50
  Speaker 3: and say it's terrible, and I think there is actually
• 17:52
  Speaker 3: some stuff you could pull here, and it does seem
• 17:54
  Speaker 3: like a handbuild, because with only nine lineups, I'm assuming
• 17:58
  Speaker 3: it seems like a handbuild portfolio.
• 18:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people will say, like it's a
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: you know, a time traveler and all these different things,
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: but like I have a lot less bad disabled this
• 18:05
  Speaker 1: line and than some of the other ones in the past.
• 18:07
  Speaker 1: It was you know, it could have been. It actually
• 18:09
  Speaker 1: end up being a much higher scoring slate than we
• 18:10
  Speaker 1: thought it might be. So the way some of those
• 18:12
  Speaker 1: afternoon games went and even watching in the morning was
• 18:14
  Speaker 1: like people were saying, man, it is a low scoring slate,
• 18:15
  Speaker 1: but the afternoon kind of went nuts and that's where
• 18:17
  Speaker 1: the best games were. So that's fine. But of note,
• 18:20
  Speaker 1: and we'll pull us up in a second for you, David,
• 18:22
  Speaker 1: We appreciate you. This was all I was saying, is like,
• 18:25
  Speaker 1: if you really think that it's just Mahomes and and
• 18:27
  Speaker 1: he's gonna spread it out, than fine. But like just
• 18:29
  Speaker 1: a prime example, he would have had even more points
• 18:32
  Speaker 1: if he just pairs up Pooka for a ceiling scorer
• 18:34
  Speaker 1: with Stafford at fifty nine, like you'd still have more points.
• 18:37
  Speaker 1: So it's just it wasn't that Mahomes can't get there.
• 18:39
  Speaker 1: It's you'd need a very particular set of things to
• 18:43
  Speaker 1: happen for this type of lineup to get there. And
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: I said, I'm fine if people want to keep playing it.
• 18:48
  Speaker 1: I always I'm the first to give credit. And when
• 18:50
  Speaker 1: people are talking shit about a guy saying, oh, what
• 18:52
  Speaker 1: a loser building that lineup like he has a million dollars,
• 18:54
  Speaker 1: he did build the best lineup. There's actually a lot
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: of things that do make sense. Jenty across from Dunsay,
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: the best chalk player on the slate, Nikua London just
• 19:03
  Speaker 1: as a plug and play tongs when you're not going
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: to CMC, Bucky Irving as a piece of that game,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: like Detroit, all of it you can make a case for,
• 19:12
  Speaker 1: and he spread it out across the board, so I
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: got no problem with that. Looking for ceiling scores on
• 19:15
  Speaker 1: some of these outcomes. The Woody Marx thing, who's not
• 19:18
  Speaker 1: popular but when you're playing down. That's how we got
• 19:20
  Speaker 1: to the joke on the show yesterday. We actually pegged
• 19:22
  Speaker 1: the We said, Woody marks the spot for our two
• 19:24
  Speaker 1: touchdown guy, and he ended up getting two touchdowns. People
• 19:27
  Speaker 1: had the tickets in the discord, so it was kind
• 19:29
  Speaker 1: of funny, but it was like, if the Texans are
• 19:31
  Speaker 1: gonna be the chalk d It's the reverse of the
• 19:35
  Speaker 1: Jones situation last week. Anybody who saw us last week
• 19:38
  Speaker 1: say Jones is gonna be popular. You can cut into
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: the defense with Minnesota, like no ownership. In this case,
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: the defense was going to be popular if they're really
• 19:48
  Speaker 1: going to be up and laying it to them and
• 19:50
  Speaker 1: stomping them out, and in this case even a shutout
• 19:52
  Speaker 1: who no one knew that was gonna happen. But I mean,
• 19:53
  Speaker 1: if you're picking on Tennessee, you could see chances for
• 19:56
  Speaker 1: Marx to get in there. You could see what it's
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: been like with Chubb. Title had a great colony, say too,
• 20:00
  Speaker 1: he said it, you know, he wish he got He
• 20:01
  Speaker 1: wish he knew more of this situation. But he expects
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Marx to take over sooner than later. Obviously still a split,
• 20:06
  Speaker 1: but just take on more share than Chubb. Who's you know.
• 20:09
  Speaker 1: Ever since the injury, the unfortunate injury to him, has
• 20:12
  Speaker 1: come back not as strong. So the Woody Marks thing
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: made sense from that perspective. Tongs made sense for no CMC,
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: et cetera. But I do think just the Mahomes factors
• 20:21
  Speaker 1: like it is Stafford Mahomes and another like where's some
• 20:24
  Speaker 1: other Mahomes labs Like at least this had worthy in it.
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: I was going to show that, right. You got to
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: get there with some sneakier plays like the Judkins or
• 20:31
  Speaker 1: the strange in that. But for the most part, this
• 20:33
  Speaker 1: lineup could have easily just had one hundred dollars less,
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: leave a hundred bucks on the table, make a ton
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: of sense and move it around. But overall, congrats to say,
• 20:41
  Speaker 1: hey fifty six spring up. David's question says, how often
• 20:45
  Speaker 1: gvbs do you feel that a naked quarterback will win?
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: Do you think it should be used more often? I don't.
• 20:51
  Speaker 1: I think I'm just gonna continue like it. That's what
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: I was trying to say. So I'm like I said
• 20:53
  Speaker 1: yesterday in the discord, I'm the first to defend someone
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: like say hey fifty six in this spot and say
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: I don't care. But anybody says about how shitty or
• 21:01
  Speaker 1: over leveraged or whatever their lineup might be. They built
• 21:04
  Speaker 1: the best lineup and they won a million dollars. It
• 21:06
  Speaker 1: doesn't again, it doesn't mean it's built the best, but
• 21:07
  Speaker 1: they built the lineup that was needed to win the
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: million dollars yesterday, And honestly, this one had a lot
• 21:12
  Speaker 1: more that made sense to it from than some others
• 21:15
  Speaker 1: that we've seen in the past. But again, this becomes,
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: i think, David, a situation with the latter part of
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: your question of where people see something and then naturally
• 21:24
  Speaker 1: want to run to it, like, oh, I saw naked
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: quarterback wins, Now I'm gonna do that more often to
• 21:28
  Speaker 1: my lineup. So I saw this, now I'm gonna do that.
• 21:31
  Speaker 1: It's only really in certain circumstances where you see that stuff,
• 21:34
  Speaker 1: But a lot of the concepts don't move to something
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: like that. It's not where it's like, oh, a single court,
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: let's do all naked quarterbacks.
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: Now.
• 21:41
  Speaker 1: You don't see it very often. We review these every
• 21:43
  Speaker 1: week for literal years now, and you just don't see
• 21:46
  Speaker 1: this very often. I will also say in all those
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: review shows and needs, even the one last year that
• 21:51
  Speaker 1: was Jordan Love in the same spot, it was the
• 21:54
  Speaker 1: same thing. The quarterback it was Baker Mayfield, was one
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: hundred bucks less and the lineup had like three bucks
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: and two from the other side, and they didn't use
• 22:01
  Speaker 1: the quarterback in the game. I don't see that happening
• 22:04
  Speaker 1: very often, so I don't think it's necessary. I would
• 22:07
  Speaker 1: not be looking to build for that. But again, to
• 22:09
  Speaker 1: each their own. If it's a portion of your portfolio,
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: someone building nine lineups looking like it's by hand, it
• 22:14
  Speaker 1: makes sense. Not for me, What about you?
• 22:16
  Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I think again, I look at this as
• 22:20
  Speaker 3: a parlay, right. I mean, there's a reason sportsbooks give
• 22:23
  Speaker 3: you way, way quote unquote bigger odds, but way worse odds.
• 22:28
  Speaker 3: Right when you're doing an eight team, a nine team,
• 22:31
  Speaker 3: a ten like parlay right, Well, you look at DF
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: it's the same way, right, I mean you got nine
• 22:36
  Speaker 3: roster spots to fill out a naked quarterback. Yeah, you
• 22:40
  Speaker 3: got eight other roster spots to fill out. If you
• 22:42
  Speaker 3: run a naked quarterback, well, guess what. You can skinny stack,
• 22:45
  Speaker 3: you can double stack, you can overstack. And if you're
• 22:48
  Speaker 3: saying that he's gonna hit his ceiling performance, there's chances
• 22:51
  Speaker 3: are that the game's going to be high scoring, there's
• 22:54
  Speaker 3: likely to be other pieces to come with it. Right,
• 22:56
  Speaker 3: So that's kind of the way I'm going to continue
• 22:59
  Speaker 3: building is correlating. I know, naked quarterbacks this or that.
• 23:03
  Speaker 3: The only time I really give it consideration. Is if
• 23:05
  Speaker 3: it's like a four thousand dollars quarterback and you have
• 23:07
  Speaker 3: no idea, right because they're getting thrust into the office
• 23:10
  Speaker 3: and they have rushing upside, like in Mariota last week,
• 23:14
  Speaker 3: like you can Jackson Dart this week, right, you didn't
• 23:17
  Speaker 3: really know what the offense is going to look like
• 23:19
  Speaker 3: with a guy like that that has a rushing floor.
• 23:21
  Speaker 3: That's really the only time I kind of consider it
• 23:24
  Speaker 3: if it's a basically stone minimum quarterback or super cheap
• 23:26
  Speaker 3: quarterback with rushing upside that you have no idea, right,
• 23:29
  Speaker 3: It's kind of the first time we're seeing them and
• 23:31
  Speaker 3: we don't know what what is target tree is going
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: to look like?
• 23:34
  Speaker 1: Agreed, And I want to talk about another concept. I'm
• 23:36
  Speaker 1: going to get our guy Sean the link will bring
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: him in in the next five minutes or so and
• 23:41
  Speaker 1: go through some stuff with his stuff and just with
• 23:43
  Speaker 1: you know, his experience at ship a nation. Do you
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: have us mastermind everything that we've been involved with. But
• 23:47
  Speaker 1: I will while we're waiting on him, go through Yudah's
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: line up here and this you'll see it's like, oh,
• 23:51
  Speaker 1: it's eleventh in the Millie et cetera, et cetera. But
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: he won a bunch of other stuff with it, like
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: some live final seats and things like that. So to
• 23:57
  Speaker 1: twenty six point oh two, we'll get to it in
• 23:59
  Speaker 1: a second before where I go to that, though, just
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: a note on what you were talking about, and just
• 24:02
  Speaker 1: in general, it's kind of like flips it the other way.
• 24:05
  Speaker 1: One thing I will notice and you'll see it here
• 24:06
  Speaker 1: when we get to Utah's line up in a minute
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: is I've talked about this for years, but just to reiterate,
• 24:11
  Speaker 1: it is like our guy Jay Walking Jay walkin sorry,
• 24:14
  Speaker 1: in the one hundred dollars single entry. It's a smaller field,
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: the overstack, it can still work. We saw a guy
• 24:20
  Speaker 1: whop win the Milli with an overstack before I'm saying that,
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: like it's still in the Milli. What the thing about
• 24:25
  Speaker 1: overstacks is a lot of the times you really need
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: the game to just go nuclear. And remember on an
• 24:30
  Speaker 1: eleven game or a bigger slate, sometimes there's like the
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: one bad egg that doesn't get you there. The Aadona
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: Mitchell who's like fine for thirty one hundred, but eleven
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: points usually isn't gonna cut it. In a Milli Maker
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: win right, the lowest on this is fourteen point eight,
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: and it's Jake Tung's who's like a thirty one hundred
• 24:47
  Speaker 1: dollars tight end point five percenter. So you know, Rome
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: was a letdown and still put up seventeen. So just
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: keeping that stuff in mind, you are seeing like when
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: we get to Utah's lineup here in a minute, where
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: in a larger field things can free flow and get
• 25:01
  Speaker 1: there still because you know, Hunter Henry hurts him at eleven,
• 25:04
  Speaker 1: but at least that's at a tight end onesie position.
• 25:07
  Speaker 1: He's still got the thirty seven, the thirty nine, the
• 25:09
  Speaker 1: twenty eight, the twenty four from fifty five hundred, et cetera,
• 25:12
  Speaker 1: all in there. So I think that's something important to
• 25:15
  Speaker 1: remember not to mention, and we'll get to it now.
• 25:17
  Speaker 1: Is Pitts could have been in the tight end here,
• 25:19
  Speaker 1: but it's fine to play a double tight end line up.
• 25:21
  Speaker 1: I really like this line up a lot, and I'm
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: sure just Optimizer spits it out, but just to note it,
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: there was ways that this lineup could have got better,
• 25:29
  Speaker 1: if you know, I mean, it's easy when it's results
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: oor right to after the fact. I'm just saying if
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: you put Pits in there, there's obviously swaps and things
• 25:34
  Speaker 1: that you can make happen to adjust the lineup, Like
• 25:36
  Speaker 1: McCaffrey can go down to James Cook for fourteen hundred
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: less still have like one point less Pits can go
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: up and you'd have fifty four hundred or whatever it
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: is to spend on something right, whether it's it would
• 25:48
  Speaker 1: have worked or not, probably not because it'd be like
• 25:50
  Speaker 1: Jacoby Myers or piersil but just to note, you could
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: have found another alternative to get there. So little things
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: like that I think are interesting. But this lineup needs
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: was Pennix, London Pits. There was no runback. Did not
• 26:02
  Speaker 1: need to go to Deebo or anybody on the other
• 26:04
  Speaker 1: side to try and figure out that Washington situation. No
• 26:07
  Speaker 1: different by the way than the previous week of the
• 26:12
  Speaker 1: game against Washington with Las Vegas. It was Geen, our
• 26:14
  Speaker 1: guys showed our guy sheets, it was Gino, it was Tucker,
• 26:17
  Speaker 1: it was it was Myers and Bowers. Whether Bowers came
• 26:20
  Speaker 1: through or not, that's It's kind of the point. Also
• 26:22
  Speaker 1: could have went the exact same route here almost because
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: he could have played Bijon for three hundred bucks less
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: and had what thirty points or whatever he ended up
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: putting up and got a little bit further up the board,
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: but still that's the setup genty with nobody else from
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: that side cmc puka, So like three of the better plays,
• 26:39
  Speaker 1: genty being the one that you're not on those other guys,
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: like he had the Quinton Johnston genty thing figured out.
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: And again, if you're not on Hampton and you're not
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: on Myers, another combination of that would have been to
• 26:50
  Speaker 1: go to Johnston and then where are those points coming from?
• 26:53
  Speaker 1: If not Myers and Bowers or Tucker, Let's go to
• 26:55
  Speaker 1: genty at thirteen percent at sixty two hundred. Henry as
• 26:59
  Speaker 1: a piece of that game. People did like may so
• 27:00
  Speaker 1: if you want to go to Henry, that's fine. And
• 27:02
  Speaker 1: then Detroit with the defense at home again no Buffalo
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: piece needed in this went with Detroit with twenty seven
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: point team total instead to get the job done for him.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: But obviously McCaffrey could have been seventy one hundred dollars,
• 27:13
  Speaker 1: Cook only been a point less and had fourteen hundred
• 27:16
  Speaker 1: to spread across the lineup. Give us your thoughts on
• 27:18
  Speaker 1: this one from you, Tocao.
• 27:20
  Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this is a really really good build,
• 27:22
  Speaker 3: and I can take it even I agree with everything
• 27:24
  Speaker 3: what you said. But also, Pennis London, pits is fourteen
• 27:28
  Speaker 3: to four. Guess what was fifteen k flat was? Gino Smith,
• 27:34
  Speaker 3: Jacoby Myers, Trey Tucker. Right, while you're not in on
• 27:38
  Speaker 3: that game, you get extra six hundred dollars to work with.
• 27:41
  Speaker 3: Plug in Ashton Gentry, which is a payoff off of
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: the spend up or the spend down running back right,
• 27:47
  Speaker 3: the Scata bows and the Hampton's of the world. Plug
• 27:53
  Speaker 3: in a Quentin Johnson, right, who's also leveraging that whole
• 27:55
  Speaker 3: tier of the Jacoby Meyer stuff that we talked about earlier.
• 27:58
  Speaker 2: Right, so you're kind of double.
• 28:00
  Speaker 3: I mean you talk about the levels, right, well, level
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: step eight right, Okay, Well there's levels to this and
• 28:06
  Speaker 3: there's so many levels in here that the average person
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: would look at this build. And obviously, you know, right
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: runs an MM set and runs his whatever optimizer, whatever projections,
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: all all that he uses right in his process. But
• 28:18
  Speaker 3: this stuff is all built into his process to his calculator. Right,
• 28:22
  Speaker 3: He's not just going in clicking a button and saying,
• 28:24
  Speaker 3: well what it gives me? This is what it's telling
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: me to do all of this kind of stuff, and
• 28:28
  Speaker 3: back testing is all built into a process here. So
• 28:32
  Speaker 3: taking at that extra level, right that that's six hundred
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: dollars pivot off of the chalkiest game on the slate
• 28:36
  Speaker 3: that everyone wants to go to, and double leveraging it
• 28:39
  Speaker 3: that with a Quin Johnson and Ashton Gentry play with
• 28:42
  Speaker 3: that extra money that you have makes a ton of
• 28:44
  Speaker 3: sense there, and then just plugging in, plugging in good
• 28:47
  Speaker 3: plays that projected well around it because you're already off
• 28:49
  Speaker 3: the board, right you got a two percent on Michael
• 28:51
  Speaker 3: Pennox and a six percent on Kyle Pitts, sub ten
• 28:55
  Speaker 3: percent on Detroit Defense.
• 28:56
  Speaker 2: So I didn't want to call it that point, right.
• 28:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it's all good stuff and I think that's
• 29:01
  Speaker 1: the key to remembers. Just like I said, But you
• 29:02
  Speaker 1: notice this is not that it's really back to the
• 29:04
  Speaker 1: parlay thought because I talk about it a ton. I've
• 29:06
  Speaker 1: brought up a million times. It's like, you know, the
• 29:08
  Speaker 1: way Sheets had it last week. It worked out that
• 29:10
  Speaker 1: it was like a four game parlay. It just built
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: out four things need to go your way and if
• 29:14
  Speaker 1: they do, that's great. But you can see it in
• 29:16
  Speaker 1: these larger fields where like those some of those one offs.
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: If it's if you're one offs to like no secondaries
• 29:23
  Speaker 1: and no and really become an extra bet. When your
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: extra bets become Christian McCaffrey Puka Nakua Detroit defense at
• 29:31
  Speaker 1: home against Flacco, I wouldn't say those are underdogs though,
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: those are literally some of the best favorites on the slate.
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: So again you're getting the theme of the betting is
• 29:40
  Speaker 1: if you're gonna extend your card in the example of
• 29:42
  Speaker 1: comparing dfs to a parlay, in the sense of just
• 29:45
  Speaker 1: the general concept when you extend it out the favorites are,
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: what are you know? You're setting it up off of
• 29:51
  Speaker 1: the basis of, Okay, I want these two guys, I
• 29:54
  Speaker 1: like this defense and they're lower owned. It all cuts
• 29:56
  Speaker 1: into each other. Now what else makes sense? Well, I'm
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: not on the Chicago go LV spot. Let's get the
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: running back that would make that happen and go my way.
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: I'm not on bijon this week, but I think this
• 30:07
  Speaker 1: game could go back and forth. And if Pennix is
• 30:09
  Speaker 1: going to be a tight target tree like the Stafford
• 30:11
  Speaker 1: Nakua Adams type of stuff, it would be London and
• 30:16
  Speaker 1: Pitts and maybe Mooney in some of those builds, but
• 30:18
  Speaker 1: you're really two to three with Pennix and probably looking
• 30:21
  Speaker 1: to jump Bijeon, but some might play him with Bijon.
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: So just little things like that that you want to know.
• 30:25
  Speaker 1: If you guys have more questions, by all means, throw
• 30:28
  Speaker 1: them in there. I'm gonna pull up our guy, Sean's
• 30:32
  Speaker 1: lineup and bring him in. So let me get this adjustin.
• 30:36
  Speaker 1: Sean the man. There he is. I love it rocking
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: the hoodie. What's going on?
• 30:39
  Speaker 3: Man?
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: How are you?
• 30:40
  Speaker 4: What's up? I'm glad to be here.
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: I appreciate having you on, man, And I know you've
• 30:44
  Speaker 1: been a member at Shibernation for quite some time. You've
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: been a part of sort of everything we've been doing
• 30:47
  Speaker 1: from the ground up, and you know over on the
• 30:50
  Speaker 1: mastermind side and you know getting involved. You had a
• 30:51
  Speaker 1: big fifty K score that we praised last year in
• 30:54
  Speaker 1: the NBA streets and now you've got a lot of
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: other stuff going on. But this was a nice build
• 30:58
  Speaker 1: from you yesterday, man, So welcome in. Tell us a
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: little bit and tell the people a little bit about
• 31:02
  Speaker 1: yourself and sort of your experience with the whole ship
• 31:05
  Speaker 1: in Nation Umbrella and then we'll talk about a couple
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: year lineups and I think we've got some good concepts
• 31:09
  Speaker 1: to go over that we can bring up.
• 31:11
  Speaker 4: Yeah, So I started DFS about like four years ago
• 31:15
  Speaker 4: ish when I was back in college, and it was
• 31:17
  Speaker 4: like post COVID. I was mainly only like a like
• 31:21
  Speaker 4: NBA DFS kind of person because I love NBA. I've
• 31:24
  Speaker 4: been watching NBA with my brothers since I was before
• 31:27
  Speaker 4: I could you know, walk basically, So NBA has been
• 31:32
  Speaker 4: a big thing for me. It got that big fifty
• 31:34
  Speaker 4: K score as well. But I was mainly finding you know,
• 31:39
  Speaker 4: cores of people and tailing the cores and then I
• 31:42
  Speaker 4: found Stochastic on YouTube and then I ended up finding
• 31:47
  Speaker 4: you guys on YouTube as well, and I kind of
• 31:51
  Speaker 4: fell in love with it because you guys talked about
• 31:53
  Speaker 4: DFS in a different way than a lot of other
• 31:55
  Speaker 4: shows did as well. So jumped in right around when
• 32:00
  Speaker 4: you guys started up the company and you know, been
• 32:02
  Speaker 4: a part of this community ever since.
• 32:04
  Speaker 1: So, yeah, a very valued member. Everybody loves Sean and
• 32:06
  Speaker 1: he's always in there and all the different discords and
• 32:08
  Speaker 1: chats and we gotta have a you know, a real
• 32:10
  Speaker 1: community feel We talk about it a ton and everybody does.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: I get it, but I do feel like it's something
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: that we can definitely say truthfully. It is a real family,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: a real community in there, and people just we know
• 32:18
  Speaker 1: the inside jokes about each other. It's never scary if
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: you're joining the community to have to be able to
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: hop into a conversation. You're not gonna get crushed or
• 32:26
  Speaker 1: shoot away. It's like we're all in there trying to learn,
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: trying to get better and focus on our game. You've
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: done it and been able to, like you said, have
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: even a fifty K score that many would love to
• 32:34
  Speaker 1: put on their roster on their their resume, I should say.
• 32:37
  Speaker 1: But let's talk a little bit about yesterday. You were
• 32:41
  Speaker 1: in there, we were talking some stuff about we were
• 32:42
  Speaker 1: talking Geno Smith to genty, we were talking about these
• 32:45
  Speaker 1: Stafford stacks, and I don't think your day was going
• 32:48
  Speaker 1: great until it was. And I know it didn't finish
• 32:50
  Speaker 1: how you would love, but this is still a really
• 32:52
  Speaker 1: nice lineup, man, and a great build. So I'm gonna
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: try and zoom it a little bit and maybe you
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: can just frame it up for people. It was what
• 33:00
  Speaker 1: tournament was it in. We see that it came forty seventh,
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: but in the spirit of zooming and I'm gonna cut
• 33:03
  Speaker 1: that off. It was forty seventh for one hundred and
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: fifty Bucks had two hundred and four points. With Stafford
• 33:09
  Speaker 1: at the helm down to the Patriots there, talk us
• 33:12
  Speaker 1: through this one, take us through the thought process here
• 33:14
  Speaker 1: and how you got to this.
• 33:15
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 33:15
  Speaker 4: So this was in the twelve dollars single entry. I
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: usually played the five dollars, but I've been upping that
• 33:21
  Speaker 4: to more of a smaller field. I still the big
• 33:24
  Speaker 4: twelve dollars, and I honestly thought that I was dead
• 33:27
  Speaker 4: at halftime. I was looking at the score of the
• 33:29
  Speaker 4: Colts game. I was like, this is over. I'm not
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: even gonna be in cash. It's gonna be a horrible
• 33:34
  Speaker 4: me being on the shell, like do can't even win
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: kind of thing. So I'm glad Stafford came through in
• 33:41
  Speaker 4: the end. But yeah, so this was the Stafford Adams
• 33:45
  Speaker 4: Nakula was right from the stack rakings. That is like
• 33:48
  Speaker 4: one of the first things I check when I build
• 33:50
  Speaker 4: lineups every week even an MLB is the stack rankings.
• 33:54
  Speaker 4: It was Stafford Nkua Adams. If you store my value.
• 33:58
  Speaker 4: I really wanted to be a part, have kind of
• 34:00
  Speaker 4: piece of the Giants Hampton in Giants Cardinals game, so
• 34:04
  Speaker 4: I went with Hampton Scattaboo based off your guys talking
• 34:07
  Speaker 4: the leverage Lane show. Unfortunately, Scattaboo did not get in
• 34:12
  Speaker 4: the box. I think he had so many chances of
• 34:14
  Speaker 4: getting in the box and he just didn't do it. Gente,
• 34:18
  Speaker 4: I was really really high on gent and twenty max,
• 34:21
  Speaker 4: and I was like, I'm not playing the geno passing stack,
• 34:23
  Speaker 4: I might as well go with gent as well, and
• 34:26
  Speaker 4: then pairing up Henry and the Patriots d I like
• 34:29
  Speaker 4: to pair up a defense with a player I already have.
• 34:32
  Speaker 4: It's just something I like to do. Anyways, I have
• 34:35
  Speaker 4: just a little bit of extra correlation.
• 34:37
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and you said to use the snack rings. I'm sure,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: like everybody the best part about our tools and the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: white people look at them, like when you think about
• 34:43
  Speaker 1: all these things we have. DVP rankings will come out eventually,
• 34:46
  Speaker 1: I know some people love those. I typically have my
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: best weeks in NFLDFS in my over my whole career
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: are after weeks six to eight in that range, and
• 34:53
  Speaker 1: then it starts to pick up. We do have more information,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: we can start to see it a little more clear,
• 34:57
  Speaker 1: pricing titans up, which I also think helped this past
• 35:00
  Speaker 1: week when it's so loose in the beginning. There's just
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: every lineup can be built good, look good, feel good,
• 35:04
  Speaker 1: but doesn't mean it will actually do good. But at
• 35:06
  Speaker 1: the stone everybody reads it differently. But we talk about
• 35:08
  Speaker 1: this all the time, Sean, and you said it there,
• 35:10
  Speaker 1: but like you went right to the stack rangs, I
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: have it sorted by value. There's those three. If you're
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: not on Gino, let's get Genty in there. We already
• 35:18
  Speaker 1: liked him anyway, but there's gonna be a possibility we
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: can move to that. If we're not on Herbert, let's
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: get the Hampton play in there. And not far down
• 35:25
  Speaker 1: the board was the Giant. So it's like, if you're
• 35:27
  Speaker 1: not gonna be on that passing attack, why not have
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Scat on the other side. And like you said, he
• 35:30
  Speaker 1: had a million chances, just didn't get in there, and
• 35:32
  Speaker 1: that's fine. That's still pretty good. Sets up. Well, then
• 35:35
  Speaker 1: you say, okay, where's Hunter Henry. Oh, he's right there
• 35:37
  Speaker 1: as well. And if I'm gonna play the defense against somebody,
• 35:40
  Speaker 1: why not a team that's way down the board on
• 35:43
  Speaker 1: these stack rangs, and again not saying you saw it
• 35:45
  Speaker 1: particularly this way, but you did mention it of using it.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: That's kind of the setup and even I think if
• 35:51
  Speaker 1: we go back for two seconds, yeah, Pittman, he's not there,
• 35:55
  Speaker 1: but it's just a note. It's kind of who you
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: can fit based on your roster construction. Indy was up
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: there as well. So I just don't people do this
• 36:00
  Speaker 1: enough and realize that we're not saying stack like I'll
• 36:05
  Speaker 1: use a most common example because it doesn't exist right now.
• 36:07
  Speaker 1: By the way, a two gamer later tonight, who myself
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: title will be back breaking down the two gamer. It's
• 36:12
  Speaker 1: Jake Browning with Chase and Higgins. But I always used
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: to use this one like Burrow, Chase and Higgins. Putting
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: those three together, that's not really a stack ranking, like, yeah,
• 36:21
  Speaker 1: that's a good stack, we know it, but everybody knows
• 36:23
  Speaker 1: it and you got to pay for it. We're looking
• 36:25
  Speaker 1: by value, which is based on our projections, using salary
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: and point combinations to find you what makes the most sense.
• 36:33
  Speaker 1: Because if you're looking for a cheaper stack for your
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: stack rankings, that you need to find for your single
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: entry or something you can say, Okay, I'm sorting them
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: by salary and then good value or buy value and
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: then finding the lower salary. If I've got money to
• 36:44
  Speaker 1: spend and I'm fine with the twenty k, let's do it.
• 36:47
  Speaker 1: But it really can help you guide yourself through it.
• 36:50
  Speaker 1: And Nazivey had shown pretty much every week for the
• 36:52
  Speaker 1: last two years. If you just go like the top
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: ten spots here and then make sense of it, you
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: can definitely get some good lineup. So anything else you
• 36:59
  Speaker 1: want to add there sean if not all that needs
• 37:01
  Speaker 1: chime in. But I think the build is super sound
• 37:03
  Speaker 1: across the board. Maybe was there any thought around like
• 37:06
  Speaker 1: the Buffalo or the Detroit Big team totals, like do
• 37:09
  Speaker 1: you fear leaving those off? How do you look at
• 37:11
  Speaker 1: your your process as a whole when you're thinking about
• 37:13
  Speaker 1: it from that perspective, because this is your single entry,
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: like you said.
• 37:17
  Speaker 4: Yeah, And I forgot to mention the Pittman thing. The
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: Pittman that was an actual decision that I made. I
• 37:22
  Speaker 4: listened to a lot of content, especially like after work
• 37:25
  Speaker 4: on Friday and Saturday, like all day Saturday, and listening
• 37:27
  Speaker 4: to the content, and I heard Adam, I Mitchell's name
• 37:32
  Speaker 4: all the time, and I was like, man, this guy's
• 37:33
  Speaker 4: really going to get some steam. And I thought the
• 37:36
  Speaker 4: connection that Daniel Jones has with Pittman is real, so
• 37:41
  Speaker 4: I wanted a good amount of Pittman in my line up.
• 37:44
  Speaker 4: So that's that was the decision. I went there to
• 37:47
  Speaker 4: pivot off of the chalky Tyler Warren, to pivot off
• 37:50
  Speaker 4: of the steam that I thought, and I Mitchell was
• 37:52
  Speaker 4: going to get as well. And your point on like
• 37:55
  Speaker 4: fading big team totals, I just I don't know. It's
• 37:59
  Speaker 4: hard to stack up Josh Allen. I feel like in
• 38:02
  Speaker 4: the offense that he has, he has so many weapons,
• 38:05
  Speaker 4: you know, sometimes it's a James Cook three touchdown kind
• 38:07
  Speaker 4: of game. And I feel the same way about Jared
• 38:10
  Speaker 4: Goff as well. Goff was I was getting a good
• 38:13
  Speaker 4: amount of him in twenty Max, so I was fine
• 38:16
  Speaker 4: fading like going underweight or fading him in single anentully,
• 38:19
  Speaker 4: single entry or the three max stuff that I do
• 38:21
  Speaker 4: as well.
• 38:22
  Speaker 1: Appreciate the breakdown, man, I really love that and Naid's
• 38:24
  Speaker 1: I'll kick to you in just one second. I do
• 38:26
  Speaker 1: want to add something though, that I think is important
• 38:27
  Speaker 1: for people to know as well, because in like the
• 38:31
  Speaker 1: larger field stuff yesterday, Mitchell got to like eight to
• 38:34
  Speaker 1: ten percent and Pittman came in around nine percent. But
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: I think people confuse that, and Sean just did a
• 38:40
  Speaker 1: good example of explaining it. But like when people look
• 38:43
  Speaker 1: at it's like Mitchell had nobody else around him getting
• 38:45
  Speaker 1: ownership at all. So that's why like Chalk has to
• 38:48
  Speaker 1: be taken in. Like I said, well, there is ninety
• 38:49
  Speaker 1: people not playing him for every hundred he's saying in
• 38:53
  Speaker 1: his builds. If he's not gonna have guess who is
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Chalk in that range? Like Myers at fifty four hundred,
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: Like a lot of the guys are on that five
• 39:00
  Speaker 1: K range had a lot more ownership than Pittman and
• 39:04
  Speaker 1: the chalky er or chalkyest of well, there's only nine
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: out of every ten, that one out of every ten
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: that are playing him of the three K range. It
• 39:13
  Speaker 1: changes your build type as well. So I like that
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: Pittman call and the way he sort of fit your
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: build and you moved it around him, and that still
• 39:19
  Speaker 1: allowed you to get everything you wanted in one build
• 39:21
  Speaker 1: while not fearing moving off of guys like James Cook
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: or anything to do with the Detroit Side or CMC
• 39:28
  Speaker 1: or any of that, nads. Do you have any thoughts
• 39:29
  Speaker 1: on everything? Sean just said, and he went through.
• 39:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah. Now, first, congrats Sean.
• 39:34
  Speaker 3: I know you're always in the discord, you're always learning,
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: you're always asking good questions, and we appreciate that for sure.
• 39:39
  Speaker 3: And I know you dabbling every sport. I know IMLB
• 39:42
  Speaker 3: you've had some good sweats and NBA things like that.
• 39:45
  Speaker 3: So congrats, But not only that, I want to take
• 39:48
  Speaker 3: the Pittman an extra level too. While you're not on
• 39:51
  Speaker 3: a Dona Mitchell, you're not on Tyler Warren. But guess
• 39:54
  Speaker 3: who's also fifty one dollars at a wide receiver play
• 39:57
  Speaker 3: who you easily could have just plugged in their projections wise,
• 40:00
  Speaker 3: Chris alave Right, one of the most popular wide receivers
• 40:03
  Speaker 3: on the entire slate. Well, why not plug in a
• 40:06
  Speaker 3: guy who's leveraging on the exact same team for the
• 40:09
  Speaker 3: Colts off of the warrant, off of the Donna Mitchell.
• 40:12
  Speaker 2: That makes sense for the build right when you didn't
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: need to run it back?
• 40:17
  Speaker 3: Right, we saw how many million maker winners that don't
• 40:20
  Speaker 3: have bringbacks, right, because there there's that's a whole nother
• 40:24
  Speaker 3: ballgame right where you can talk and a whole nother
• 40:26
  Speaker 3: discussion on bringbacks or not bringbacks this or that. But
• 40:29
  Speaker 3: a lot of projections would have probably put in Chris
• 40:32
  Speaker 3: Alave there, because Chris Alave projected a lot better. Right,
• 40:36
  Speaker 3: you already had the double stack. It's not saying you
• 40:38
  Speaker 3: need to bring it back there. It's just the product
• 40:40
  Speaker 3: of how we build and having to get less things right.
• 40:43
  Speaker 3: And Chris Alave would it would have cost you more money.
• 40:47
  Speaker 3: It would have cost you more money in terms of
• 40:49
  Speaker 3: winnings there. So I didn't want to bring up that point.
• 40:51
  Speaker 3: But the rest of the build very very sound, very
• 40:53
  Speaker 3: good build, and a lot of the leverage plays built
• 40:57
  Speaker 3: in and people are like, oh.
• 40:58
  Speaker 2: Well, he's scored two hundred four point, it's only won this.
• 41:00
  Speaker 3: I mean, you beat nineteen thousand people in that single entry, right,
• 41:05
  Speaker 3: it's the main twelve dollars single untree and you're still
• 41:08
  Speaker 3: staying within your means.
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: It's still a great score for you. It's a bank
• 41:11
  Speaker 2: row builder for you. Right. So it doesn't matter about
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: stakes or that.
• 41:15
  Speaker 3: It's about how you build build lineups in the process,
• 41:17
  Speaker 3: and that's what the point of the show is is
• 41:19
  Speaker 3: trying to teach that process right.
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: It's not picks or plays.
• 41:22
  Speaker 3: It's not who's tamble on, it's not who's aids on,
• 41:25
  Speaker 3: it's not who who this guy is on. Right, there's
• 41:27
  Speaker 3: a million hours of content. You could literally watch content
• 41:29
  Speaker 3: from Wednesday to Sunday morning and literally not have any
• 41:34
  Speaker 3: time for anything else. There's so much content out there.
• 41:36
  Speaker 3: It's not about that. You could listen to all the
• 41:38
  Speaker 3: content in the world and still not build winning lineups
• 41:41
  Speaker 3: because you don't have a good process, right, and you're
• 41:43
  Speaker 3: not thinking about this in the proper way. It's the
• 41:47
  Speaker 3: whole augur or the whole thing Temple says, right, information
• 41:52
  Speaker 3: overload or paralysis by analysis, right, trying to pick everything
• 41:56
  Speaker 3: and when you have tools like ship Nation has right
• 41:58
  Speaker 3: with the stack rankings, with the stone to get target games,
• 42:02
  Speaker 3: to get that, I mean, you can take the names
• 42:03
  Speaker 3: off it and use the color coding and the optimal
• 42:06
  Speaker 3: rates and the salaries and build lineups.
• 42:08
  Speaker 1: And one thing I'll say too, And I know Sean
• 42:10
  Speaker 1: was trying to dip because he's so worried about the
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: next lineup We're gonna pull up, and a little bit
• 42:13
  Speaker 1: of criticism and fun stuff back and forth, I'm teasing you,
• 42:16
  Speaker 1: but I will say too, it's like again, you know
• 42:19
  Speaker 1: he's playing. He's usually playing five dollars single entry, he said,
• 42:22
  Speaker 1: and went up, has now gone up to the twelve dollars.
• 42:25
  Speaker 1: You have to take the process itself is key of
• 42:28
  Speaker 1: you got to two hundred and four. We're not all
• 42:30
  Speaker 1: playing in the five k buy ins and whatnot, but
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: that two hundred four would have played very well in
• 42:34
  Speaker 1: a lot of higher stake stuff yesterday. And obviously most
• 42:36
  Speaker 1: people that are doing what Sean's doing, grinding, working on
• 42:39
  Speaker 1: the game, trying to get better, perfecting a process something
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: you can make repeatable, using tools to make it happen.
• 42:45
  Speaker 1: That's where it's setting up, Sean, and correct me if
• 42:47
  Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But like, that's where it's setting up to say,
• 42:49
  Speaker 1: it's about the score you put up. Did you want
• 42:51
  Speaker 1: to win all the money? Absolutely, you played to win
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: and you did. The lineup shows that you didn't win
• 42:55
  Speaker 1: this time, But you got to take away the positives
• 42:58
  Speaker 1: of it, like, yeah, you play in the five, you
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: went up to the twelve. If this was in the hundred,
• 43:03
  Speaker 1: it would have made even more money. But it's like
• 43:04
  Speaker 1: you don't play the hundred so you can't be worried
• 43:06
  Speaker 1: about that right now. You're grinding towards that, but you
• 43:09
  Speaker 1: got to take away the positives of the process. And
• 43:11
  Speaker 1: I always say, you know, the progress is the process. Like,
• 43:14
  Speaker 1: if you're seeing progress, that means you're getting your process down.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: That's I mean, you're getting something that's more repeatable. Progress
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: means it's happening and it's moving towards something. So I
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: don't know, Man, correct me if I'm wrong on any
• 43:24
  Speaker 1: of that stuff, but I just that's how I see this.
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: As people are trying to come in and get better
• 43:28
  Speaker 1: at DFS. He might be free.
• 43:31
  Speaker 4: Yeah, No, I think that's right. I think a lot
• 43:33
  Speaker 4: of people, a lot of people, you know, will compare
• 43:39
  Speaker 4: how a lineup did in you know, a different contest,
• 43:42
  Speaker 4: and I've kind of I used to be like that,
• 43:44
  Speaker 4: and I've just I've just stopped. I've you know, worried about, Oh,
• 43:48
  Speaker 4: I could have won X amount of money there, but
• 43:50
  Speaker 4: I need to be focused on building up my bankroll
• 43:53
  Speaker 4: and focused on the contests that I'm in and stuff
• 43:57
  Speaker 4: like that. So I think what you hit on was correct.
• 44:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I use it all the time. I use a
• 44:01
  Speaker 1: you know, golf a professional golf I use like one
• 44:04
  Speaker 1: of my main analogies for whatever reason. I use a
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: lot of stuff chess and chefs and gyms and trainers
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: and you name it, but like the golf one. To me,
• 44:11
  Speaker 1: it's like if somebody wins a tournament, they're not like, man,
• 44:14
  Speaker 1: I played good enough today that I should have won
• 44:16
  Speaker 1: the Masters. Like you're not playing the Masters. You're playing
• 44:18
  Speaker 1: in this tournament. Be happy you did well in this tournament,
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: and it's progress, and now you move towards maybe getting
• 44:23
  Speaker 1: to play in the Masters, and then you could go
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: to the Masters and suck. That's golf. That's like DFS.
• 44:28
  Speaker 1: You can play good enough, win a forty four to
• 44:30
  Speaker 1: forty four ticket, play it and come DFL dead last
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: year you're just the worst team that week that slate.
• 44:36
  Speaker 1: But the progress is what got you there if you're
• 44:38
  Speaker 1: not usually playing. And you saw it earlier. We had
• 44:42
  Speaker 1: Tyler on last week in the sewn spot where they're
• 44:44
  Speaker 1: you know, we're having members come on and go through
• 44:46
  Speaker 1: some of their successes and even the stuff that they
• 44:48
  Speaker 1: go through their process. But the you know he was
• 44:51
  Speaker 1: on last week comes out this this past week and
• 44:53
  Speaker 1: ends up winning like three big tickets. Now he's gonna
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: be in the eleven eleven mid season event off nineteen bucks.
• 44:58
  Speaker 1: He's gonna be in the five to fifty five million
• 44:59
  Speaker 1: this this week. Couple times, maybe he shifts the Millie
• 45:02
  Speaker 1: and it's like this story he told last week, so
• 45:05
  Speaker 1: he could win the MILLI next week. Like that's how
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: quick it can turn around, the progress part of the process.
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: So love to see it, Sean. Let's bring up this
• 45:13
  Speaker 1: other build and I'll kick it to you on this one, Sean.
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: And there's nothing really wrong with it actually at all.
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: It's kind of funny. There was a back and forth
• 45:19
  Speaker 1: in the discord yesterday. Long story short, it was Sean
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: got a little He had said that Gino and Jenty
• 45:26
  Speaker 1: don't really correlate well for him, and so he wasn't
• 45:28
  Speaker 1: gonna roll with that. Of course, the discord comes back
• 45:31
  Speaker 1: Wardo and the like I said, it's like a family
• 45:32
  Speaker 1: and there people just say hey, what about this? And
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: Sean took it all in good stride, said, hey, I
• 45:37
  Speaker 1: was wrong on this one. It happens. But he had
• 45:39
  Speaker 1: said I got a Jalen Hurts Barkley lineup, and I
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: had questioned it to say, I wonder, like again, I
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: don't have the numbers in front of me, but I
• 45:46
  Speaker 1: definitely have seen it before posted that because of Tush push,
• 45:50
  Speaker 1: but also because we play a salary based game where
• 45:53
  Speaker 1: for these two to both ceiling out would be a
• 45:56
  Speaker 1: hard thing in some of these tournaments. So Sean, I'll
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: kick it to you. This is your lip. It's hurts
• 46:01
  Speaker 1: Barkley Goddard. He did have a big checkdown to him
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: later in the game where he almost took it to
• 46:06
  Speaker 1: the house, so I mean it could just as easily
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: have gone that way as well. You still got genty
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: Nikua o'doons. You had to move off your Pittman stuff
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: for downs and then Tucker in the flex rams D
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: is a little bit cheaper, but I really, you know,
• 46:19
  Speaker 1: against downs, there was there was other things you could
• 46:22
  Speaker 1: have done here that wouldn't even make it that bad.
• 46:23
  Speaker 1: But just give us your thoughts on this bill.
• 46:26
  Speaker 4: Yeah, and shout out to Wardo. It takes a lot
• 46:28
  Speaker 4: for me to I was wrong to him specifically just
• 46:31
  Speaker 4: because of the connection I have with the.
• 46:33
  Speaker 1: NBA streets man. He's a big Knicks fan too. Oh
• 46:39
  Speaker 1: you're back, You're back.
• 46:41
  Speaker 4: Sorry about that. But anyways, I've been experimenting with trying
• 46:47
  Speaker 4: to pair pass catching running backs with quarterbacks as well.
• 46:53
  Speaker 4: So that's what I was trying to do here with
• 46:55
  Speaker 4: Saquon and Jail. It hurts, and it kind of flipped
• 46:58
  Speaker 4: the build of people were to to pay down at
• 47:01
  Speaker 4: quarterback to the Mariota's, the darts, the Stafford's stuff like that,
• 47:07
  Speaker 4: And it was funny in this lineup. I was trying
• 47:10
  Speaker 4: to late swap to get Christian McCaffrey in, and it
• 47:14
  Speaker 4: was forcing me to like get off nikuah, and I
• 47:17
  Speaker 4: was like, I'm not gonna do that. Nikua was the
• 47:19
  Speaker 4: best play in my mind yesterday, so I really wanted
• 47:23
  Speaker 4: Nakula in there, so I just rolled with with what
• 47:26
  Speaker 4: it was. Ended up getting late swapping to Rome as well,
• 47:31
  Speaker 4: and I'm glad he got in the box.
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: But yeah, like I can see what happens is you
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: still put some correlation into it, Like you had some
• 47:37
  Speaker 1: stuff that made sense if you're not on this that
• 47:39
  Speaker 1: like you put those three guys, you put three guys
• 47:43
  Speaker 1: from the Chicago LV game, and then you kind of
• 47:45
  Speaker 1: just ended up with three guys from the Rams Indie game.
• 47:49
  Speaker 1: And like it's not like Downs can't get there while
• 47:52
  Speaker 1: Rams go off. But Obviously in a larger field eleven
• 47:54
  Speaker 1: games slate maybe not necessarily needed, but it's it's by
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: all means it can get there, So that's fine. It's
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: a personal this vision when people turn that off on
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: these slates or leave it on for playing defense against
• 48:04
  Speaker 1: a skill position. But still the thing was is like
• 48:08
  Speaker 1: it just depends on the build. But like I said,
• 48:10
  Speaker 1: my biggest thing is with the tush push the pricing.
• 48:13
  Speaker 1: That's where it's more about ken Jalen Hurts and him
• 48:15
  Speaker 1: both get two touchdowns. Absolutely, it's what does it do
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: to the build? And then also will that be enough?
• 48:21
  Speaker 1: Because in this same token, even if you had have
• 48:24
  Speaker 1: added more to both of those guys, it still gets
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: outdone by like Pennix Vjon or you know, depending on
• 48:30
  Speaker 1: what Gino and Genty because Genty alone has the thirty two,
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: like Geno didn't really come through. But just to note it,
• 48:36
  Speaker 1: it's to me always way more of a price factor.
• 48:38
  Speaker 1: There is a ton of situations, and I think it's
• 48:40
  Speaker 1: awesome that you're thinking that way because there is a
• 48:43
  Speaker 1: ton of situations where people just naturally avoid the quarterback
• 48:46
  Speaker 1: with the running back. But like even yesterday I was
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: talking about it, didn't work out, but I was saying, like,
• 48:50
  Speaker 1: I'll put Herbert with Hampton, with QJ with whatever if
• 48:54
  Speaker 1: it works together, because if I'm expecting the game to
• 48:56
  Speaker 1: go off, that can easily happen. So I just think
• 48:59
  Speaker 1: that that's the little things that are important. You got
• 49:01
  Speaker 1: a couple of nice flip passes to Dallas Goddard here,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: but that could be the thing too, right, Like again,
• 49:07
  Speaker 1: not that you wanted him in this lineup or needed him,
• 49:09
  Speaker 1: but like if you ended up going to Bijon instead
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: of Barkley here, you're not getting there still, but it's
• 49:15
  Speaker 1: like you could have still had just Hurts with his
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: tight end. You gotta fill out a onesie position. He's
• 49:20
  Speaker 1: cheap at tight end. You still can build around that
• 49:21
  Speaker 1: type of stuff. Nades, did you have further thoughts on
• 49:24
  Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think the lineup punted anything off
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: too crazy outside of like the trio pack at the bottom,
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: but like obviously Goddard's parents, so I don't even care
• 49:32
  Speaker 1: about that. One Down's is a guy with no Pierce,
• 49:35
  Speaker 1: so again it's really hard to poke holes in it.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: But it's just more the general concept of two guys
• 49:41
  Speaker 1: that expensive that also can sort of eat each other's
• 49:44
  Speaker 1: lunch when it comes to the goal line stuff.
• 49:46
  Speaker 2: Yeah. No, So I do have a couple thoughts here.
• 49:50
  Speaker 2: I don't think the lineup is that bad.
• 49:52
  Speaker 3: I think it's bad with the team that you chose
• 49:55
  Speaker 3: because when you're grabbing it hurts Barkley and god her Well, yeah,
• 49:59
  Speaker 3: that's great because guess you're just saying that they soak
• 50:01
  Speaker 3: up all the red zone right.
• 50:02
  Speaker 2: There's definitely teams where you can do that.
• 50:04
  Speaker 3: The issue comes in is the salaries, right of hurts
• 50:07
  Speaker 3: the salary of Barkley and got it together right. If
• 50:11
  Speaker 3: it was a cheaper stack, I'd have no problem doing that,
• 50:14
  Speaker 3: just because it would give you better flexibility for the
• 50:18
  Speaker 3: rest of your roster. You kind of got tunnel vision
• 50:20
  Speaker 3: into what it left you right with the games that
• 50:23
  Speaker 3: you still wanted to target, just due to the salary
• 50:25
  Speaker 3: constraints there. But I don't hate the idea of going
• 50:29
  Speaker 3: the red zone right, staying the tight end at a
• 50:31
  Speaker 3: onesie position, pairing the running back and the quarterback together,
• 50:34
  Speaker 3: I mean, Tampbell, I've done it a ton with But
• 50:37
  Speaker 3: it's cheaper stacks and it's less prohibitive for the roster.
• 50:42
  Speaker 3: But not only that, the opportunity costs that you're giving
• 50:44
  Speaker 3: up at the running back position when you're also doing
• 50:46
  Speaker 3: that right of guys like Jamior Gibbs, right, Christian McCaffrey, right,
• 50:51
  Speaker 3: all those spend up other guys that everybody want to play,
• 50:55
  Speaker 3: and it kind of sacrifices you off of those really
• 50:58
  Speaker 3: good teap plays in the mid tier of the running
• 51:01
  Speaker 3: back position.
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: But overall, outside of that, I think the build is good.
• 51:05
  Speaker 3: Right, you're still correlating, You're needing less things to go
• 51:08
  Speaker 3: your way when they go your way to get to
• 51:10
  Speaker 3: the top.
• 51:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that call, and I will bring up
• 51:13
  Speaker 1: go collect. Kyle's awesome. Another guy in the community, super
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: sharp mind, getting better all the time and said me personally,
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: if I ever played Hurts the bar, this's a great
• 51:21
  Speaker 1: point as well, is like I said. And that's where
• 51:24
  Speaker 1: I think Sean, you were thinking as well, and you're
• 51:25
  Speaker 1: experimenting with it. It all makes sense. And even like
• 51:27
  Speaker 1: Goddard is like a slice and dice on those guys
• 51:30
  Speaker 1: kind of well, they're not super high owned, it's more
• 51:31
  Speaker 1: of he at least makes it more affordable by adding
• 51:34
  Speaker 1: that third piece. But if we did have a game
• 51:36
  Speaker 1: where Hurts and Barkley get two touchdowns each to pay
• 51:39
  Speaker 1: that off, which is kind of like what you think
• 51:40
  Speaker 1: would happen some way, shape or form. You'd think there
• 51:43
  Speaker 1: would definitely be a nice enough back and forth and
• 51:46
  Speaker 1: less of that sort of blowout effect or anything like that.
• 51:49
  Speaker 1: And it's not that that's what this was, but just
• 51:51
  Speaker 1: to note it like that would make sense for the
• 51:53
  Speaker 1: build because that would force them to go off. If
• 51:55
  Speaker 1: they're gonna get thirty plus each, you got to think
• 51:57
  Speaker 1: there's something on the other side sort of pushing that.
• 52:00
  Speaker 1: Egbuka God when coming back whatever, Bucky, if you liked him,
• 52:04
  Speaker 1: like any of that stuff could make a ton of
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: sense as a way to get on in on a
• 52:07
  Speaker 1: game stack that's different. So love that call out, and again,
• 52:11
  Speaker 1: nothing wrong with the bill, just good conversation and I
• 52:13
  Speaker 1: love that you're always open to that and kind of
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: having some fun going back and forth with it. Wardo,
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: Like you say, I got the best of you on
• 52:18
  Speaker 1: the the genty and Gino stuff this time, but hey,
• 52:21
  Speaker 1: I didn't show up on any Miller million Maker's Wardo,
• 52:23
  Speaker 1: so it's not like it was needed either, right, So
• 52:25
  Speaker 1: give him the gears back a couple of days. Go ahead,
• 52:29
  Speaker 1: go ahead, yeah, hoppen.
• 52:29
  Speaker 4: Oh yeah, sorry, Yeah, this was actually and I know
• 52:32
  Speaker 4: you always have the statement of your inputs or your
• 52:35
  Speaker 4: outputs for Saber, but this was a lineup that Saber
• 52:39
  Speaker 4: gave me, and I was looking at it because I
• 52:41
  Speaker 4: always look at all, especially for twenty mats, all the
• 52:43
  Speaker 4: lineups that Sabor gives me, and I was thinking about
• 52:46
  Speaker 4: a run back, and I was like, eh, I mean
• 52:48
  Speaker 4: there is a possibility that you know, the Eagles just
• 52:51
  Speaker 4: roll Tampa Bay here, Like the Eagles offense is elite
• 52:54
  Speaker 4: and their defense is getting better as the season goes on,
• 52:58
  Speaker 4: and they were rolling for a while until Tampa came
• 53:00
  Speaker 4: back in the fourth quarter. So I understand the run
• 53:03
  Speaker 4: back point. So like all the lineups that Saber gave
• 53:07
  Speaker 4: me with Hurts quarterback had Saquon with them too, which
• 53:10
  Speaker 4: is interesting as well.
• 53:11
  Speaker 1: So yeah, different solid build for the slate. Again, I'm
• 53:13
  Speaker 1: never gonna, you know, go against everything, but like I
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: will say, like that's I talk about this a ton
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: of times. Is like, you know, if I'm making a
• 53:20
  Speaker 1: go back to one of my chef ones, if I'm
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: making my own, if I'm making a recipe, I don't
• 53:24
  Speaker 1: have to follow the exact recipe that's given to me.
• 53:27
  Speaker 1: I'm allowed to just spice it up a little more.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Or people have their little secret, spy secret sauce, extra
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: hot sauce, whatever it is that changes it a little bit.
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: I'm still gonna put a spin on things. And I
• 53:37
  Speaker 1: think that's what you know, even Sheets has talked about
• 53:38
  Speaker 1: in the past, and some of the best DFS players
• 53:40
  Speaker 1: in the world that it's like it's putting those blends
• 53:44
  Speaker 1: together of a little bit of like I know DFS,
• 53:47
  Speaker 1: I know ball mixed with the tool as powerful as Sabersim.
• 53:51
  Speaker 1: I use the Ferrari example all the time. To me, Sabersim,
• 53:53
  Speaker 1: it's a Ferrari. There's two. You can give a Ferrari
• 53:56
  Speaker 1: to two different people. One hits the wall immediately with
• 53:58
  Speaker 1: it and crashes out. The other person flies around the
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: block and knows exactly what's going on and eventually becomes
• 54:03
  Speaker 1: a top tier driver with it. It's powerful. They both
• 54:06
  Speaker 1: have the same tool and X and ability, but the
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: expertise and the experience and that stuff comes in. So
• 54:12
  Speaker 1: it's always good to talk about it, always good to
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: think about it, but love that you're putting that stuff
• 54:16
  Speaker 1: together and overall, man just amazing stuff. Appreciate you definitely
• 54:20
  Speaker 1: want to hit on that. That's one that Sean brought up.
• 54:22
  Speaker 1: I'm gonna go there. I just want to handle this
• 54:23
  Speaker 1: one quickly because Kenny was first said, I love using
• 54:26
  Speaker 1: stack ranks in the Stone to build. Is there any
• 54:27
  Speaker 1: way to get stack ranks in college football? Yeah, there
• 54:30
  Speaker 1: definitely is a way, and I love the feedback, certainly
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: appreciate it. The one thing about college football moves a
• 54:35
  Speaker 1: lot faster than the NFL, like on the fly, very quickly.
• 54:38
  Speaker 1: We will be able to automate it and make something
• 54:41
  Speaker 1: like that maybe for the future, but I wouldn't want
• 54:43
  Speaker 1: to make any promises right now until we feel good
• 54:45
  Speaker 1: about that set up because obviously when the last minute
• 54:47
  Speaker 1: stuff changes, it's not that difficult because we're just making
• 54:50
  Speaker 1: a change in our projections, which can then link to
• 54:53
  Speaker 1: the table for the stack rankings. But it's again, it's
• 54:55
  Speaker 1: a process that we would have to get to Kenny,
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: So really appreciate you bringing up that feed And then well,
• 55:02
  Speaker 1: when on this one Sean Rooney, you know it's the
• 55:03
  Speaker 1: Sean Show today, Sean says, can y'all extrapolate on gent
• 55:07
  Speaker 1: play he's been Cheeks was it a product of him
• 55:09
  Speaker 1: having to bounce back again. This is all to do
• 55:12
  Speaker 1: with the number one thing and why I love landing
• 55:15
  Speaker 1: on this question. To round it out, it had nothing
• 55:17
  Speaker 1: to do with Genty as a player. I know you'll
• 55:19
  Speaker 1: hear all around the industry about his O line and
• 55:21
  Speaker 1: the opportunities and the takes and the data and you
• 55:24
  Speaker 1: name it. This would literally not matter to me at all.
• 55:28
  Speaker 1: It's all just a product of it. It's not the play,
• 55:30
  Speaker 1: it's the process. If you weren't landing on Jacoby Myers
• 55:35
  Speaker 1: or geno stuff or that, but you felt as though
• 55:37
  Speaker 1: the Vegas squad was going to be needed or be involved.
• 55:40
  Speaker 1: We showed you the example earlier. Like a lot of
• 55:42
  Speaker 1: the best lineups had Quintin Johnston and Genty, they didn't
• 55:46
  Speaker 1: have some magic ball that said they knew that was
• 55:48
  Speaker 1: the play. There's really no correlation to them in football terms,
• 55:53
  Speaker 1: in the plays terms, because one is a player on
• 55:55
  Speaker 1: the Chargers in a completely different game than Genty is
• 55:58
  Speaker 1: a running back in a completely different game. But they
• 56:00
  Speaker 1: have huge implications in DFS in that QJ is fifty
• 56:05
  Speaker 1: five hundred and unowned versus Jacoby Meyers at fifty four
• 56:09
  Speaker 1: hundred if you're not going there and you're not on it.
• 56:11
  Speaker 1: It's a quick flip of like Hampton and him, not
• 56:13
  Speaker 1: the exact dollar for dollar, but Hampton and Myers extremely
• 56:16
  Speaker 1: popular combo. You can move to Genti and Quinton Johnston
• 56:22
  Speaker 1: and find the three hundred dollars. There's always somewhere to
• 56:25
  Speaker 1: find three hundred dollars. But like I said, these are
• 56:28
  Speaker 1: the takes you're gonna get. But the first part the
• 56:31
  Speaker 1: former about Chicago has been getting death. I literally don't care.
• 56:35
  Speaker 1: Like that's you could be a slip. They could have
• 56:36
  Speaker 1: been the best team in the world against running backs
• 56:39
  Speaker 1: and it's one slip, one shoelace tackle that gets missed,
• 56:43
  Speaker 1: whatever it is, and the guy's off to the races
• 56:45
  Speaker 1: for a seven year touchdowns. It's not about the result
• 56:48
  Speaker 1: and the performance all. He still got to twenty percent
• 56:50
  Speaker 1: in some places, like a lot of people catch on
• 56:52
  Speaker 1: to this, but people think he got to twenty percent
• 56:55
  Speaker 1: because of his opportunity or his matchup. It has everything
• 56:58
  Speaker 1: to do with people getting better at DFA and recognizing
• 57:01
  Speaker 1: that that's leverage. When you look at forty percent owned
• 57:04
  Speaker 1: Cook and forty percent owned Hampton and thirty one to
• 57:08
  Speaker 1: thirty five percent owned CMC et cetera, et cetera. Nads,
• 57:10
  Speaker 1: you got anything you want to add with that? You
• 57:12
  Speaker 1: usually do a pretty good job breaking this stuff down
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  Speaker 1: as well.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, so the thing about the running back is, well,
• 57:17
  Speaker 3: you can only play three on the slate. Not everybody's
• 57:19
  Speaker 3: gonna be the forty percent owned, right, You knew Hampton
• 57:22
  Speaker 3: and this is a late game, right, so it could
• 57:25
  Speaker 3: have been a late state slap for a lot of
• 57:27
  Speaker 3: but not only that. I mean you look at the
• 57:29
  Speaker 3: Raiders twenty three point team total at home in a
• 57:33
  Speaker 3: one and a half point spread. Everybody wants to play
• 57:35
  Speaker 3: the passing game on both sides, right, the Kale of
• 57:38
  Speaker 3: the Rome, the Dj Moore kolk met with No Lovelin,
• 57:41
  Speaker 3: right with the news there, the Gino, the Jacobe, the
• 57:44
  Speaker 3: Trey Tucker, the brock Balers.
• 57:45
  Speaker 2: Well, guess what.
• 57:46
  Speaker 3: Guess who nobody wanted to click Ashton Gentry, Well, guess
• 57:49
  Speaker 3: what he's been getting fifteen plus touches every single game.
• 57:52
  Speaker 3: All of that and it leverages the entire common build
• 57:56
  Speaker 3: that you're going up against in one of the most
• 57:58
  Speaker 3: popular games.
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  Speaker 2: So how can you play? Oh well, you just played
• 58:01
  Speaker 2: the chalkiest game on the slate.
• 58:02
  Speaker 3: Well, guess what, You've played it completely different than everybody
• 58:05
  Speaker 3: else who played the Chalky game played it. So that's
• 58:09
  Speaker 3: the taking it to the next level, taking it and
• 58:11
  Speaker 3: looking for little pieces like this right.
• 58:13
  Speaker 2: I didn't care. You could have put Hoop right, you
• 58:16
  Speaker 2: could have put hoops name right there.
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  Speaker 3: I would have still played that in spots where it
• 58:20
  Speaker 3: made sense for my roster because of what it did
• 58:23
  Speaker 3: for the overall building and the leverage that it had
• 58:25
  Speaker 3: on other rosters that you're going up against.
• 58:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll let Sean have the final thoughts, but
• 58:30
  Speaker 1: just to note before I bring them back in. You know,
• 58:31
  Speaker 1: can't say thank you enough again, Sean, just for hopping
• 58:33
  Speaker 1: on and doing this with us. But the last thing
• 58:35
  Speaker 1: is you made a really good point there, Nates. Is
• 58:36
  Speaker 1: the late swap, like Tucker and Genty got to much
• 58:40
  Speaker 1: higher than I think they were going to be. People
• 58:42
  Speaker 1: that know to late swap could not sit on Gino
• 58:46
  Speaker 1: and Myers and the most Embowers and the most popular options.
• 58:49
  Speaker 1: There was a lot of ways to get from Bowers
• 58:52
  Speaker 1: and Meyers to Gent. I know it's a little bit
• 58:54
  Speaker 1: more money. People, they didn't have the money. They didn't
• 58:57
  Speaker 1: just have one guy left in all those lineups, there's
• 58:59
  Speaker 1: a lot of swaps that can be made, so they
• 59:00
  Speaker 1: had opportunity lates opportunity, like I like to say it,
• 59:04
  Speaker 1: so I definitely think that's the key and Sean, I
• 59:07
  Speaker 1: was gonna end on this anyway, but Kenny says, do
• 59:09
  Speaker 1: you review lineups? If I send it via DM, feel
• 59:11
  Speaker 1: like I've learned so much already this year. I just
• 59:12
  Speaker 1: want to see if I was overthinking 'or not or
• 59:14
  Speaker 1: just looked lucked out. But you are over at DFS Mastermind,
• 59:17
  Speaker 1: and we most certainly have a lineup reviews channel in there.
• 59:20
  Speaker 1: I don't spend enough time talking about it right now
• 59:22
  Speaker 1: because we're in the heart of the NFL season and
• 59:24
  Speaker 1: I think anybody signing up for anything should definitely be
• 59:26
  Speaker 1: starting with ship a Nation. You need to get your
• 59:28
  Speaker 1: home process, you need to get in a discord that's
• 59:30
  Speaker 1: much bigger. DFS Mastermind is kind of an offset of that,
• 59:34
  Speaker 1: where we have a smaller group of a lot of
• 59:36
  Speaker 1: the community in there. But you can check it out.
• 59:37
  Speaker 1: You go to ship nation dot com. You can click
• 59:39
  Speaker 1: on Mastermind. It will open it up and let you
• 59:42
  Speaker 1: go through and see everything that is offered. But there's
• 59:45
  Speaker 1: a ton different more right, there's there's a monthly Q
• 59:47
  Speaker 1: and A. We got the next one coming up Wednesday
• 59:49
  Speaker 1: night this week at seven BM Eastern. You've got all
• 59:53
  Speaker 1: the exclusive interviews, you've got the private discord for the
• 59:55
  Speaker 1: lineup reviews. There's literally no really very little slate talk.
• 59:59
  Speaker 1: It's definitely different. But get involved at ship it Nation
• 1:00:02
  Speaker 1: first and then you want to check this out. You
• 1:00:03
  Speaker 1: can always let us know you can join. It's a
• 1:00:05
  Speaker 1: one time payment. You can even split it up in
• 1:00:07
  Speaker 1: equal payments. But I'll let you talk about a sean
• 1:00:09
  Speaker 1: like your thoughts on the Mastermind project. Obviously it's been
• 1:00:12
  Speaker 1: going now for eight ten months something like that. I
• 1:00:14
  Speaker 1: think it's ten months now, coming up on a year soon.
• 1:00:16
  Speaker 1: But it's been a lot of fun and we've got
• 1:00:18
  Speaker 1: lots of people from around the DFS space in there
• 1:00:21
  Speaker 1: talking about you know, more high level I think when
• 1:00:22
  Speaker 1: it comes to strategy and improving and getting better at
• 1:00:25
  Speaker 1: your game for sure.
• 1:00:27
  Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't recommend dfsmester Mind more. Two people like
• 1:00:32
  Speaker 4: it's just a great community to be a part of
• 1:00:34
  Speaker 4: and just listening to the countless number of interviews you've
• 1:00:37
  Speaker 4: done with with pros and different people in the industry,
• 1:00:41
  Speaker 4: and hearing their thoughts about it as well, and also
• 1:00:45
  Speaker 4: like your personal breakdown of things, like I think one
• 1:00:48
  Speaker 4: of the best videos on there is your showdown breakdown
• 1:00:50
  Speaker 4: that you have done on you know you Decao. I
• 1:00:53
  Speaker 4: think it was like Fantasin and mock Levin, just like
• 1:00:56
  Speaker 4: your thoughts on how their builds came about and how
• 1:01:00
  Speaker 4: you know, logically you can get to in your handbuilding
• 1:01:04
  Speaker 4: what they what they came up with. Yeah, So if
• 1:01:08
  Speaker 4: you're looking to improve on your DFS game, I think
• 1:01:10
  Speaker 4: the first place you should be a part of is
• 1:01:12
  Speaker 4: ship a nation. But also adding that ENDO DFS masterbind
• 1:01:16
  Speaker 4: is just you know, mashed potatoes and gravy. You know,
• 1:01:20
  Speaker 4: they just go so well together. And I think that,
• 1:01:23
  Speaker 4: you know, if you want to get better at DFS,
• 1:01:25
  Speaker 4: you got to have both for sure.
• 1:01:26
  Speaker 1: Appreciate that, man. I think that's, you know, really what
• 1:01:28
  Speaker 1: it's all about. Obviously there's stuff for PGA, Nascar, a
• 1:01:31
  Speaker 1: ton of different stuff in there across all sports. Actually
• 1:01:34
  Speaker 1: got even more coming soon. But like the PGA Showdown
• 1:01:36
  Speaker 1: one is in there. You're talking about the NFL Showdown,
• 1:01:39
  Speaker 1: the NFL fandled this forty K. A lot of people
• 1:01:41
  Speaker 1: don't know about like I talk about all the time,
• 1:01:43
  Speaker 1: but portfolio manipulation. This video breaks down how I play
• 1:01:47
  Speaker 1: five to six lineups when a lot of the field
• 1:01:49
  Speaker 1: has one hundred and fifty portfolio management, how you can
• 1:01:52
  Speaker 1: apply it, how to be late swap ready and actually
• 1:01:55
  Speaker 1: know what you're doing going into the afternoon. Like these
• 1:01:57
  Speaker 1: are the levels that people don't really focus on. This
• 1:02:00
  Speaker 1: is the one you're talking about the NFL Showdown Top
• 1:02:02
  Speaker 1: DFS pros. You know, I had another DFS pro make
• 1:02:05
  Speaker 1: fun of it a couple of weeks ago, and that's fine,
• 1:02:07
  Speaker 1: but it was like, you know, why don't you just
• 1:02:09
  Speaker 1: go learn from him directly, Like not everyone can afford that.
• 1:02:11
  Speaker 1: That's the difference at Mastermind. At ship Nation, our goal
• 1:02:14
  Speaker 1: is always to be the most affordable. And this shows
• 1:02:17
  Speaker 1: kind of how Udicau plays knowing what he's what he
• 1:02:19
  Speaker 1: has at stake, and what he's playing for. And then
• 1:02:21
  Speaker 1: it talks about Phanta Sin mock lovin their single entry
• 1:02:25
  Speaker 1: versus extrapolating out so you can see like what they
• 1:02:27
  Speaker 1: would do in single entry Showdown versus if they were
• 1:02:29
  Speaker 1: playing an MME set. So tons of free content you
• 1:02:32
  Speaker 1: can watch. This is if you want to take it
• 1:02:33
  Speaker 1: to the next level, but I definitely think with Mastermind.
• 1:02:36
  Speaker 1: If you're you're not a member and you want to
• 1:02:37
  Speaker 1: join it or reach out and have questions on it,
• 1:02:39
  Speaker 1: just hit me up directly. You can send me as
• 1:02:41
  Speaker 1: Kenny said, send me a DM. I'll make sure you
• 1:02:43
  Speaker 1: get set up with the best price possible. Ship it
• 1:02:45
  Speaker 1: Nation members still get fifty percent off, so if you're
• 1:02:48
  Speaker 1: already a member at ship Nation, you get the lowest
• 1:02:50
  Speaker 1: price possible. But check it out DFS Mastermind. You go
• 1:02:53
  Speaker 1: to shipnation dot com slash Mastermind if you want to
• 1:02:56
  Speaker 1: check that out. Sean, thank you so much, man, this
• 1:02:58
  Speaker 1: was awesome just being able to meet you finally going
• 1:03:00
  Speaker 1: on talking about your process, giving us some insight to
• 1:03:02
  Speaker 1: what shipper Nation everything's all about. So thank you, man,
• 1:03:05
  Speaker 1: really appreciate you, and we'll see in the discord.
• 1:03:07
  Speaker 4: Yeah, thank you so much for having me. This was
• 1:03:09
  Speaker 4: a lot of fun. And yeah, I'll be definitely being
• 1:03:11
  Speaker 4: the discord. I'm in there all the time, so.
• 1:03:13
  Speaker 1: Yeah, sure, you know, everyone's excited to always meet each
• 1:03:17
  Speaker 1: other from around. We're gonna have more on I know
• 1:03:19
  Speaker 1: New Ones who just said that Actually New Ones is
• 1:03:21
  Speaker 1: coming on. I think it's October. He'll know better than
• 1:03:25
  Speaker 1: I will. It's I might be October thirteenth or October something,
• 1:03:28
  Speaker 1: but yeah, it's gonna be a lot of people joining
• 1:03:30
  Speaker 1: us throughout the season, so it's a lot of fun.
• 1:03:31
  Speaker 3: To do it.
• 1:03:32
  Speaker 1: Naid's appreciate you man. Thank you guys all so much
• 1:03:35
  Speaker 1: for watching for Sean. Thanks again for joining us for Naids,
• 1:03:37
  Speaker 1: for myself, to tagging tambou Let ship.
• 1:03:40
  Speaker 2: It