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The Hollywood Hoodwinker w/ Lauren Lapkus (Fraud Friday) · Scam Goddess

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  Speaker 1: What's poppin Congregation is your girl, Lacey Mosley aka scam Goddess.
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  Speaker 1: Welcome to an episode of Fraud Fridays, where we release
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  Speaker 1: older episodes from the Scam Goddess vault. That's right, Fraud
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  Speaker 1: Fridays is where we bring back your favorite episodes from
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  Speaker 1: behind the paywall. Enjoy this episode from behind the paywall,
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  Speaker 1: and as always, stay scheming, scam, Come rub and run, scam,
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  Speaker 1: Come ruby and froll Goddess. That's the thing about scams,
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  Speaker 1: sometimes they work. You just gotta keep sinking your money
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  Speaker 1: into every single one.
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  Speaker 2: That's true.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I missed out on the bitcoin scam. I'm gonna
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  Speaker 1: come on my own coin noon.
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  Speaker 3: Close coin Cody, the cyber coin that sounds like the
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  Speaker 3: cyber coin and inter coin like Internet nick, webcoin, web coin,
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  Speaker 3: I like web cooin.
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  Speaker 1: All right, guys, Lauren and I are coming out with
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  Speaker 1: web coin.
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  Speaker 2: Web Bucks, books, webs definitely with an exit the web books.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, if you guys buy web books, y'all are
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  Speaker 1: really cool. What's up, Congregation is sugarl Lacey Mosley akay
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  Speaker 1: scam Goddess, and I'm here with an amazing guest. Guys.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so excited to have her on the show. She's
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  Speaker 1: super talented. She's a writer, she's a director, she's an actress,
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  Speaker 1: she's a comedian. You know her. You love her, Miss
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  Speaker 1: Lauren Lapkin.
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  Speaker 2: I'm so excited to be here.
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  Speaker 1: I'm so happy you're here. Yeah, it's fun. So wait,
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  Speaker 1: what is your relationship with scams? Okay?
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  Speaker 2: So I was thinking about this as I knew I
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  Speaker 2: was coming here, and I was like, there's one scam
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  Speaker 2: that pops out of my head. It's very stupid and small.
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  Speaker 2: But I was like, but it was the first thing
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  Speaker 2: I thought of, which is my family went to Italy
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  Speaker 2: when I was in high school on like a family trip,
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  Speaker 2: and there are all these people on the street like
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  Speaker 2: trying to trick were a swift ship all the time,
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  Speaker 2: like selling you stupid shit that nobody wants, and you
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  Speaker 2: know whatever, We fully fell for one. There was one
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  Speaker 2: where it was like this man had a boom box
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  Speaker 2: set up and it's so stupid. Yeah, these little like
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  Speaker 2: paper like imitated you like knock off like Mickey and
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  Speaker 2: Minnie characters that were made of paper with like yarn
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  Speaker 2: legs and like little feet, and they were dancing to
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  Speaker 2: the music like like one of those like eighties flowers things,
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  Speaker 2: you know what I mean, like where it's like just
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  Speaker 2: kind of like the beat is making it move. And
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  Speaker 2: we loved them, so we bought them. You thought this
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  Speaker 2: was gonna work at home? Yes, how I realized they
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  Speaker 2: were just yarn and paper. It was like, there's he
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  Speaker 2: had a string that he was pulling, and we eventually
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  Speaker 2: saw more people doing it around town after we bought them,
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  Speaker 2: or like looked and saw the string this time, and
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  Speaker 2: we're like, we're so stupid.
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  Speaker 1: Got wait, I asked, where do you remember where you
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  Speaker 1: encountered him?
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  Speaker 2: Just on the street. It was just like he was
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  Speaker 2: just you.
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  Speaker 1: Know, was it near your hotel or where you were eating?
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  Speaker 2: I don't know, but I'm sure it wasn't a very
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  Speaker 2: touristy dost okay, so mainly just super tourist year because
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  Speaker 2: he got y'all, oh yeah, we were fully we were
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  Speaker 2: fully scam. It was very stupid. But then the bigger
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  Speaker 2: scam that I've recently been a part of where I
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  Speaker 2: met you, how we met, which is kind of amazing
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  Speaker 2: because our origin story as friends, it's the same scam.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, it's really like sent us into like
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  Speaker 1: now we're like sister.
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  Speaker 2: Wise, I know we've been through hell and back.
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  Speaker 1: We so just to be as vague as Oh it
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  Speaker 1: was so vague.
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  Speaker 2: We signed on to do like an indie movie and
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  Speaker 2: a low budget indie movie.
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  Speaker 1: Yes we did, and the great script.
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  Speaker 2: It was really funny, funny, everything seemed on the up
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  Speaker 2: and up.
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  Speaker 1: It was the hook.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's how we all were were taken by
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  Speaker 2: this because we truly like there was so much good
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  Speaker 2: information surrounding this. It felt like everything was like written,
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  Speaker 2: the scripts written well, the like pitch about the script
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  Speaker 2: was written well, like where it was like, oh, it's
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  Speaker 2: like these people and so and so is involved and
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  Speaker 2: we have this setup and these people have said yes
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  Speaker 2: and blah blah blah, and we got there and uh,
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  Speaker 2: it just was not We were on an a case.
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  Speaker 2: We were on an island.
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  Speaker 1: First of all, we had to take two planes to
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  Speaker 1: get to where we went.
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  Speaker 2: I toeing a boat. Did you have to see the boat?
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  Speaker 1: We did take a boat. We flew out.
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  Speaker 2: I was gonna say it because I felt like I
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  Speaker 2: was mistreated because we took a fary in.
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  Speaker 1: No, you were saying you were mistreating.
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  Speaker 2: You took the fairy. You got the plane.
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  Speaker 1: Only one person got a plane, and.
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  Speaker 2: We know and that was a celebrity. Yes, that's completely unfair.
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  Speaker 2: That was the whole thing too.
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  Speaker 1: It was it was a high archy. Okay, so let
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  Speaker 1: me try to like break this down the Closs terms.
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  Speaker 1: We basically thought we were going to shoot a movie.
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  Speaker 1: Scam's timing is really important. So this was like a
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  Speaker 1: low budget movie with a really great script. And the
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  Speaker 1: reason that we all were freeze because like it's feature season,
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  Speaker 1: it's the summer, so it's not really like for actors,
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  Speaker 1: like it's a little bit of a slower time, like
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  Speaker 1: August is a slower time, like the summer in general,
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  Speaker 1: like there's movies, you go shoot the movie, come back, whatever,
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  Speaker 1: and then there comes episodic and then there comes pilot season.
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  Speaker 1: So we're like kind of in a you know, like
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  Speaker 1: a chill place where most people are like, I'll take
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  Speaker 1: a little random.
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  Speaker 2: Sound like a vacation. It was on an island. It
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  Speaker 2: was like almost like a like a retreat sort of experience,
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  Speaker 2: is how it was kind of pitched. Like there it's
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  Speaker 2: this sort of luxury cabin situation and it sounded really
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  Speaker 2: appealing to me.
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  Speaker 1: Wary of islands, this was after Firefest. We really should
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  Speaker 1: have questioned going to an island at all.
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  Speaker 2: Yes, an island you've never heard of. It's like, what
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  Speaker 2: are you doing if anyone asked you.
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  Speaker 1: To go to an island, y'all? That's step number one.
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  Speaker 1: You need to start googling.
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  Speaker 2: Start googling, and also like talk to your friends, which
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  Speaker 2: is what we should have done. We should have done that.
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  Speaker 1: But yeah, so basically, this person who created this movie
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  Speaker 1: perfect scammer. They start so they wrote a script with
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  Speaker 1: someone else, and then they decided to make the script
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  Speaker 1: without the person that they wrote it with, which is.
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  Speaker 2: A legal and remove their name and remove their.
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  Speaker 1: Name from the script. Yeah, steal the script. And then
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  Speaker 1: their family was like super rich, which like, as a scammer,
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  Speaker 1: you need resources. Oh yeah, so this was the perfect setup.
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  Speaker 1: But he's what you have. This person had resource.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay, so we get to this island and we start
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  Speaker 1: shooting and things are just a little off. Yeah, but
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  Speaker 1: the person had gotten like a huge recommendation from a
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  Speaker 1: huge production company or so we.
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  Speaker 2: Thought, yeah, and we later found out that just wasn't true.
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  Speaker 2: It was and that the person had said that this
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  Speaker 2: this uh, you know, impressive production company was on board
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  Speaker 2: for it. We later discovered that they the creator of
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  Speaker 2: the film, had actually like just want to contest. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: through that company.
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  Speaker 1: It was like cropping Listen with the Day is a
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  Speaker 1: photoshop and everybody's got iMovie on a phone.
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  Speaker 2: No, so many things were cropped at it. I mean
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  Speaker 2: I'm truly like, I'm impressed to the level of like, wow,
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  Speaker 2: you went all the way right to every little thing
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  Speaker 2: we could possibly google and made it look a certain way.
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  Speaker 1: If you get on Adobe Photoshop for a scam listen,
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  Speaker 1: I'm proud of you. I'm proud of you. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: But that I think was that that was the craziest
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  Speaker 2: scam I've ever been a part of, because I felt
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  Speaker 2: so swindled and so like I had no clue what
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  Speaker 2: was happening in my own life. Like I went, I
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  Speaker 2: took a step back, and I was like, how did
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  Speaker 2: this happen to me? Like I feel like I should
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  Speaker 2: be smarter than.
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  Speaker 1: This existential crisis.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was like I should have a better like
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  Speaker 2: red flag thing like you know coming up for me
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  Speaker 2: where I'm like, oh, this seems bad. Like I just
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  Speaker 2: didn't listen to any any of my feelings.
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  Speaker 1: And that's like what's a part of scams? Like people
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  Speaker 1: think sometimes if you're in a scam, that you're stupid
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  Speaker 1: or you're gullible, But a lot of times it's actually
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  Speaker 1: about what we call our despo meter. How desperate are you?
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  Speaker 3: Oh my god?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah? And if you're not that we were desperate, but
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  Speaker 1: if you were like willing to buy into some.
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  Speaker 2: Sounds fun, right, No.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Actually reminded me of another thing that happened to me
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  Speaker 2: when I was I was like twenty two and I
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  Speaker 2: had just moved to New York and I had gone
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  Speaker 2: home to my family and I came back through the
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  Speaker 2: airport and you know how they have like those signs
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  Speaker 2: where it's like, never take a ride from someone. Yeah,
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  Speaker 2: I like didn't see that or didn't know that was
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  Speaker 2: a thing, because I didn't.
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  Speaker 1: See the side I was willing to take a ride
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  Speaker 1: from anywhere.
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  Speaker 2: Surely it was what it was the kind of thing
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  Speaker 2: where every second of it was terrifying, and I was going,
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  Speaker 2: don't do this, don't do this, and I kept doing
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  Speaker 2: everything that I was telling myself not to do. And
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  Speaker 2: this man comes up to me and he's like taxi
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  Speaker 2: and I was like yeah, and then he just grabbed
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  Speaker 2: my suitcase and started walking ahead of me, and so
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  Speaker 2: I was like, oh, so I started following him. We passed.
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  Speaker 2: I mean truly, I'm like, I was so dumb and
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  Speaker 2: young and stupid. It was just like, wow, I rob you,
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  Speaker 2: I'm going with you. So like it was truly. I
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  Speaker 2: started following him and then we walked past the taxi
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  Speaker 2: line where I was going, I.
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  Speaker 1: Should get Lauren, this is taken. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I could have easily ended taken.
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  Speaker 1: Do you have a father who will next chap until
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  Speaker 1: he right?
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  Speaker 2: He might, It hasn't come to that, but I like,
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  Speaker 2: follow this guy. We passed the taxi line. I get
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  Speaker 2: into his suv.
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  Speaker 1: Oh okay, and as.
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  Speaker 2: He's putting my suitcase and I'm going I just just
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  Speaker 2: take it and then say no. And then just I'm
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  Speaker 2: like thinking all of this.
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  Speaker 1: I get in.
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  Speaker 2: I only had a Razor phone because it was back then,
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  Speaker 2: and like I had no way to.
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  Speaker 1: Like that's hot.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it was really cool. I had a pinky.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, I couldn't get a razor. I had one of
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  Speaker 1: the saddest whoot plows. It looked like a saw drugs.
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  Speaker 1: I wanted to raise her so bad.
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  Speaker 2: It was Yeah, my dad he did pay two hundred
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  Speaker 2: dollars for my hot pink razor, and I thank him
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  Speaker 2: every day. And just the whole ride home, I was terrified,
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  Speaker 2: and I was trying to go on my maps on
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  Speaker 2: my razor, which was like going to like a website,
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  Speaker 2: like to like map quest, and I didn't know where
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  Speaker 2: I was or what was happening, and the whole time,
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  Speaker 2: and he was like starting to say stuff to me
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  Speaker 2: that was very scary to me, Like he was like
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  Speaker 2: challenging me and like wanting to like kind of make
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  Speaker 2: me say things that would offend him. It was like
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  Speaker 2: turning into this negative vibe. I was like, I feel
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  Speaker 2: like I shouldn't talk because I'm afraid I'm going to
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  Speaker 2: say the wrong thing. And eventually he did drop me
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  Speaker 2: in my house, but then he charged me like way
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  Speaker 2: more than a cab whatever charge, and I did have
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  Speaker 2: the cash, so I just gave it to him and
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  Speaker 2: then I.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, that's paying for your life. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: I just ran into my apartment and cried.
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  Speaker 1: It was scary. I was like I decided, yeah, and
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  Speaker 1: they're like, thank you so much, Star, how much money
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  Speaker 1: would you Like?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, I was picturing like jumping out of the car
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  Speaker 2: and like just be like, I don't need my bag, Like,
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  Speaker 2: have you ever been in a situation like that? We
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  Speaker 2: were like trying, like because now we have uber and stuff,
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  Speaker 2: and I feel like there are so many situations where
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  Speaker 2: you're in a Newburgh as a woman where it's just
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  Speaker 2: like this feels probably bad.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, yeah, And that's when I yeah, the survival
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  Speaker 1: stills they totally kick in. I'm trying to do whatever
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  Speaker 1: to make this man not try to murder me. Yeah,
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  Speaker 1: which is sad that that's a requirement. Yeah, Like what
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  Speaker 1: do I have my bag of please don't murder me today? Oh?
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  Speaker 2: My god? Cash?
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  Speaker 1: And then I got a photo of my family that
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  Speaker 1: loves me. What can I tell this?
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  Speaker 2: Do you carry like protective things like you know, like
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  Speaker 2: those like key chains that have like like eye gougers
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  Speaker 2: and shit, Like I don't have anything like that. I
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  Speaker 2: feel like I should.
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  Speaker 1: I see those, But those are two direct combat for me,
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  Speaker 1: Like I'm never gonna get close enough to an assailant
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  Speaker 1: to dab day. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a good point. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: I have pepper spray though, and I have practice where
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  Speaker 1: you look away, you spray, you look away, you spray.
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  Speaker 1: Oh good, Yeah, because if you look at them while
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  Speaker 1: you're spraying and it's a down wind. Next thing, you know,
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  Speaker 1: you in the trunk, you know what I mean. And
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  Speaker 1: if I was in the trunk cause I pepper sprayed myself,
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  Speaker 1: I was just like, well, damn, I deserve it.
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  Speaker 2: That's true. At that point, it's your fault.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, oh man, I'm glad that you made it out
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  Speaker 1: with your life. Me too.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, both situations. Actually, yeah, we had to escape
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  Speaker 2: the island on a little little plane where I was like,
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  Speaker 2: I actually felt nervous about flying. I usually don't, but
• 11:14
  Speaker 2: I've never been on a plane that small.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, this feels I was having like a Leah flashbacks
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  Speaker 1: anytime I.
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  Speaker 2: Got I know, we're all actors. It's like, oh, this
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  Speaker 2: is a huge like we'd all die at once. A
• 11:26
  Speaker 2: new story.
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  Speaker 1: I wouldn't even run that long, fucking Trump Man like
• 11:32
  Speaker 1: we would have like murals and fucking candle light shifts
• 11:35
  Speaker 1: and all types of stuff. Trump wasn't president nowadays, you
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  Speaker 1: can't even be a sad story for them.
• 11:39
  Speaker 2: Oh I know, it all moves way too fast.
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  Speaker 1: Damn our candlelight vis will be blown out and oh
• 11:44
  Speaker 1: wrapped in two hours. I'm like, move over. Bitch, we
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  Speaker 1: got we got no.
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  Speaker 2: People to talk about.
• 11:49
  Speaker 1: Trump taught all the black people to go back to Africa.
• 11:51
  Speaker 1: He's providing boats, so we can't talk about you did.
• 11:54
  Speaker 2: But just don't hold him more than anyone else.
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  Speaker 1: Oh god, I don't even mention him. It's sad that,
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  Speaker 1: like usually a president and there's a wealth of jokes,
• 12:01
  Speaker 1: but we don't really get much out of him becau.
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  Speaker 1: Everyone was just so fucking sad.
• 12:04
  Speaker 2: I know I would just like him too peacefully pass naturally.
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  Speaker 1: Oh man, he's gonna live forever. When you evil, you
• 12:10
  Speaker 1: be living a long time. That's true. I'm gonna switch
• 12:12
  Speaker 1: over to being evil when I'm like forty five, I'm
• 12:15
  Speaker 1: gonna switch over to being evil because you be living.
• 12:18
  Speaker 1: My Unsharkly has outlived all of my grandparents. She is
• 12:22
  Speaker 1: evil as fuck. Like I just have to clean her
• 12:24
  Speaker 1: house when I was a kid because she was dirty.
• 12:27
  Speaker 1: She never go here. This sh don't gonna stand podcasts.
• 12:30
  Speaker 1: But like she was evil as fuck. I remember her
• 12:32
  Speaker 1: telling me something about putting a fork in an electrical socket, like.
• 12:35
  Speaker 2: Just like telling you to do it.
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  Speaker 1: No, you know what it was. She was doing it.
• 12:38
  Speaker 1: She was trying to fix an electrical socket with a fork,
• 12:41
  Speaker 1: and I was like, unsharkly, like, that's a bad idea.
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  Speaker 1: You can get electric, kid, you don't know what the.
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  Speaker 2: Fuck you're talking about. But she survived it because she's evil.
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  Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's so evil. Wow. But I'm gonna
• 12:51
  Speaker 1: get like her because nice people be dying. Like when
• 12:53
  Speaker 1: you be worrying about people as stressing and caring about people,
• 12:56
  Speaker 1: that's when your blood pressure go up. That is true.
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  Speaker 2: Okay, let's all careless.
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  Speaker 1: Yes, is the cause of strokes. You heard it here. First,
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  Speaker 1: scammers live a long time goals come, Oh, Laura, I
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  Speaker 1: have to talk to you about what's hot and fraud? Okay.
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  Speaker 1: So this is a second the show where we really
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  Speaker 1: try to protect our listeners from scams that are current
• 13:18
  Speaker 1: and happening. Because if it's not me calling, then I
• 13:21
  Speaker 1: don't want you guys to participate. Okay, But if I
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  Speaker 1: try to scam you, please.
• 13:25
  Speaker 2: No, oh yeah, go along with it.
• 13:26
  Speaker 1: It's legitimate. But what's heid and fraud this week is
• 13:30
  Speaker 1: student loan debt really? Okay? Okay? Which so companies are
• 13:36
  Speaker 1: luring people with false promises to pay down student loans
• 13:40
  Speaker 1: with lower monthly payments and interest.
• 13:43
  Speaker 2: That's a good scam.
• 13:44
  Speaker 1: Yes, it is an excellent scam because millennials have so
• 13:47
  Speaker 1: much student loan debt that we're like, what do you
• 13:48
  Speaker 1: want to you want to cosolidate, y'all gonna do a bundle, okay.
• 13:51
  Speaker 2: And it's such a topic right now, like how people
• 13:53
  Speaker 2: have been so fucked by by student loan.
• 13:56
  Speaker 1: Yes, so so these companies like this is a perfect
• 13:59
  Speaker 1: scam because there's a need, there's a want, there's a desperation,
• 14:03
  Speaker 1: and the timing's perfect.
• 14:04
  Speaker 2: What was that term that you use, the destbo?
• 14:06
  Speaker 1: Yeah, the despo meter. How desperate are you? The scale
• 14:09
  Speaker 1: of desperate for student loans? Everybody's pretty high, an eight
• 14:12
  Speaker 1: or nine. You know, we'll try some things. So basically
• 14:16
  Speaker 1: this one woman, Lisa d says, I was one of
• 14:18
  Speaker 1: these people that fell for this. Four years later, the
• 14:22
  Speaker 1: company I went through is under investigation. I recently called
• 14:25
  Speaker 1: my student loan provider and spoke to them about my situation.
• 14:28
  Speaker 1: Although they can't do anything, I did find out that
• 14:30
  Speaker 1: this company got me for seventeen thousand dollars instead of
• 14:34
  Speaker 1: paying my loans down. I now have more debt. Be
• 14:38
  Speaker 1: careful people, I didn't know better at the time.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Oh, my god, Wait, so are they just like your
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: loan is still with the original company that was and
• 14:45
  Speaker 2: then they're just like we'll help you, and they're like,
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: just give us seventeen thousand dollars, we'll pay it off,
• 14:49
  Speaker 2: and then they're actually just keeping the money.
• 14:51
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Wow, Yeah, that is so sad. I know, that's
• 14:55
  Speaker 1: a scam that I just can't get behind because Millennias
• 14:58
  Speaker 1: are already in so much debt, you're just gonna put
• 14:59
  Speaker 1: us in war.
• 15:00
  Speaker 2: No, it's really awful. I mean I still have friends
• 15:02
  Speaker 2: who are paying off their student loans and they have
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: barely cracked into them because like the interest is so
• 15:08
  Speaker 2: high that over the years it just keeps it like
• 15:10
  Speaker 2: stays level.
• 15:11
  Speaker 1: I was doing that scam where when they called me,
• 15:13
  Speaker 1: because I definitely have student loans numbered in my phone,
• 15:16
  Speaker 1: so I know when they call, I have the numbers.
• 15:18
  Speaker 2: Say yeah, they call from the same number every time.
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: I had, Well, depending on what your loan is. But
• 15:25
  Speaker 1: I had a small loan for books and for housing
• 15:27
  Speaker 1: because I had free tuition, which was so dumb. I
• 15:30
  Speaker 1: could have just got a job, and my parents are like,
• 15:31
  Speaker 1: don't get a job. Hello, these loans.
• 15:34
  Speaker 2: They're like you all TV I'm like, but you said
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: you was pavity.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: I don't care, come pavity. I know I sound super spoiled,
• 15:40
  Speaker 1: but no, I know what you mean. Yeah, but so
• 15:42
  Speaker 1: I used to do that thing where you would just
• 15:44
  Speaker 1: defer it, like they would call me and I'd be like, hey, guys,
• 15:46
  Speaker 1: I'm an actor. I don't have I have zero moneys
• 15:51
  Speaker 1: for y'all. And they'd be like, okay, as long as
• 15:52
  Speaker 1: you are not making anything, like they laughed once. They're like, okay, girl,
• 15:56
  Speaker 1: we get it. You don't got the money. And so
• 15:59
  Speaker 1: as long as I didn't have any money. But then
• 16:01
  Speaker 1: as soon as I started making money, ooh, they called
• 16:03
  Speaker 1: real quick auto auto debit. Now I'm sure, yeah, you're
• 16:07
  Speaker 1: getting there.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: I had a friend who got all like she did
• 16:10
  Speaker 2: her tuition on student loans and then also was like
• 16:14
  Speaker 2: fully shopping on credit cards all through college, so it
• 16:17
  Speaker 2: like was a student loan like her. Her debt has
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: was so huge from college because she was like paying
• 16:22
  Speaker 2: for everything on credit cards and then just had all
• 16:25
  Speaker 2: of that debt too to pay off for like years too.
• 16:28
  Speaker 1: Yeah. I do not recommend it, guys. Dead is a
• 16:31
  Speaker 1: real stifling thing. Also, it's stifling if you have debt,
• 16:35
  Speaker 1: I'm not gonna marry you.
• 16:36
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's I mean debt.
• 16:39
  Speaker 1: Then you already married.
• 16:41
  Speaker 2: I know, but I've been married twice. I think I'll
• 16:45
  Speaker 2: just keep getting married forever.
• 16:47
  Speaker 1: I always talk about my first marriage and how I
• 16:49
  Speaker 1: wanted to be and then my second marriage third, you
• 16:52
  Speaker 1: know what I mean.
• 16:52
  Speaker 2: Like it's good, it's could be practical with that, Like
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: you might have a first one that doesn't end up
• 16:57
  Speaker 2: being the one.
• 16:57
  Speaker 1: But I'm helping that mineor when my spouse dies. That way,
• 17:00
  Speaker 1: I don't have to feel bad.
• 17:01
  Speaker 2: No, yeah, that's that's the best way, probably because it's
• 17:04
  Speaker 2: just like that and then't naturally right.
• 17:06
  Speaker 1: That's what happened my Grandpama, my grandma was married three times.
• 17:09
  Speaker 1: He was married once for twenty years. Wow, then she died.
• 17:12
  Speaker 1: Then he was married for seventeen years my grandma, and
• 17:15
  Speaker 1: then she died. Wow. Then he just he recently passed away.
• 17:17
  Speaker 1: But I was like, he was married for five more
• 17:19
  Speaker 1: years after that. I was like, yes, Papa, Y had
• 17:22
  Speaker 1: all live. Oh yeah, this is like a whole new life. Yeah,
• 17:24
  Speaker 1: it's very respectable because he never got divorced. Yeah he
• 17:27
  Speaker 1: said till death. Then he meant it as homa be.
• 17:32
  Speaker 1: So whoever wants to be my first husband, just be
• 17:35
  Speaker 1: ready to die.
• 17:36
  Speaker 2: I guess I mean, don't be a natural calla it
• 17:40
  Speaker 2: was meant to be?
• 17:43
  Speaker 1: Which was that happy because you would me yes? But
• 17:47
  Speaker 1: so this one really hurts me. Guys, if anybody's offering
• 17:50
  Speaker 1: to consolidate your loans, please think twice about it, or
• 17:53
  Speaker 1: ask questions, or Google or contact your actual agencies that
• 17:57
  Speaker 1: you got the loans from to see what reputable companies
• 17:59
  Speaker 1: are doing it, because you don't want to be in
• 18:01
  Speaker 1: this situation where you just and I get so much
• 18:03
  Speaker 1: fucking mail about God solid h O did yeah blah
• 18:06
  Speaker 1: blah blah, like they're out there oh.
• 18:08
  Speaker 2: Yeah, and I feel like people will it's so easy
• 18:10
  Speaker 2: to believe something when you just receive company's information. It's
• 18:13
  Speaker 2: like this seems real, right, Like it's that I feel
• 18:16
  Speaker 2: like that scam. I don't know if you've talked about
• 18:17
  Speaker 2: it with like Apple calling you to like you they
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: need your password, your Apple ID and your password. But
• 18:23
  Speaker 2: it's like Apple would never call you to do that.
• 18:25
  Speaker 2: But they are like older people who don't know that,
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: who just suddenly are like talking to them for an
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: hour and like just giving them all of their information.
• 18:31
  Speaker 1: Yeah, and they say they're like, because you said you're
• 18:33
  Speaker 1: with Apple, right, yeah, yes, this is me, Steve Jobs.
• 18:36
  Speaker 1: I'm calling them verify your Apple. They're like, oh okay, Steve, Yeah, absolutely.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Which those scams always particularly interest me because we've talked
• 18:46
  Speaker 1: on the show, not about that specific one, but about
• 18:47
  Speaker 1: the fact that, like a lot of times those scams,
• 18:49
  Speaker 1: those people come with information that they shouldn't be offering
• 18:51
  Speaker 1: up anyway. Like they're always like, I have a confirmation
• 18:53
  Speaker 1: number from the company, And it's like, if someone's calling
• 18:56
  Speaker 1: you and they need information, they're gonna grill you to
• 18:59
  Speaker 1: first of all, see if you are who you say
• 19:00
  Speaker 1: you are. Like, it's not gonna be like, hey, I
• 19:02
  Speaker 1: have a confirmation number for you too, two seves.
• 19:04
  Speaker 2: Right, they're gonna ask you for the confirmation.
• 19:06
  Speaker 1: All right, congregation, Time for my favorite segment of this show,
• 19:10
  Speaker 1: Historic Hoodwings. Guys. So I'm gonna regale Laura with a
• 19:14
  Speaker 1: story that I don't think she's heard before about a
• 19:17
  Speaker 1: very popular scammer, and we'll just see what you think.
• 19:20
  Speaker 2: Okay, great, Okay.
• 19:21
  Speaker 1: So, for more than a year, some of the most
• 19:23
  Speaker 1: powerful women in entertainment, including Amy Pascal, Kathleen Kennedy, Stacy Snyder,
• 19:28
  Speaker 1: and a Homeland director Shade Whoa and somebody who directed
• 19:32
  Speaker 1: Homeland have been impersonated by a cunning thief who targets
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: insiders with promises of work and then bilks them out
• 19:40
  Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars. For the past two and a
• 19:42
  Speaker 1: half years, hundreds of unwitting victims around the world have
• 19:46
  Speaker 1: been ensnared by a small but cunning criminal organization that
• 19:51
  Speaker 1: contours only are beginning to understand. So basically, we don't
• 19:55
  Speaker 1: even know how many people these people have scammed. We
• 19:57
  Speaker 1: don't have a name of who this person is. Well,
• 19:59
  Speaker 1: we know that this is someone who has mastered replicating
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: other people's voices on the phone. Whoa. Yeah, So it's.
• 20:07
  Speaker 2: Like that's cool, actually, right, I feel like that's a
• 20:10
  Speaker 2: talented scammer.
• 20:11
  Speaker 1: Right, I feel like this is someone whose dream was deferred.
• 20:14
  Speaker 1: Like they had perfect pitch. They can probably sing, because
• 20:17
  Speaker 1: if you can do voices, chances are you can sing
• 20:18
  Speaker 1: a little bit. Yeah. So I kind of feel like
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: this person, you know, I'm with it. I'm with it.
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: So the people being impersonated were like the who's who
• 20:25
  Speaker 1: of Hollywood, Like everyone I just described in that one
• 20:28
  Speaker 1: director from Homeland, who's not the who's who? Because they
• 20:32
  Speaker 1: would not say the person's say.
• 20:33
  Speaker 2: We were saying who are they? Who is who?
• 20:35
  Speaker 1: So how it works was this impostor uses a combination
• 20:39
  Speaker 1: of deceit, charm, and intimidation to manipulate her marks. It
• 20:42
  Speaker 1: is a woman. The victims travel to Indonesia on a
• 20:46
  Speaker 1: promise of work, and once they're there, they're asked to
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: hand over like relatively modest amounts of money at a time,
• 20:52
  Speaker 1: up to like three thousand dollars in some cases.
• 20:54
  Speaker 2: They travel all the way to Indonesia, like thinking that
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: there's a job.
• 20:57
  Speaker 1: Yeah, thinking that there's a job, so they think they're
• 20:59
  Speaker 1: like on a production.
• 21:01
  Speaker 2: Of like prep that you're doing in your head. For
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: that to be eventually scammed, it's crazy, like you're just
• 21:06
  Speaker 2: I mean, we actually could write, but like I'm going
• 21:10
  Speaker 2: to Indonesia, I have a job there. I'm gonna go.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: And then if you get there and you just get
• 21:13
  Speaker 2: robbed and.
• 21:14
  Speaker 1: You gotta reimburse for you, they're gonna, oh, we'll reimburse
• 21:16
  Speaker 1: you for your flight. That's number one. If anybody tells
• 21:18
  Speaker 1: me they're gonna reimburse me for my drive I'm like,
• 21:20
  Speaker 1: I'm not going. Y'all better, y'all better preimburse me for
• 21:23
  Speaker 1: to travel. You better buy the flight. I won't be there.
• 21:26
  Speaker 1: I will not because I'm.
• 21:27
  Speaker 2: Like preimbursed, because like, what the hell.
• 21:32
  Speaker 1: Am I supposed to do? If I fly their you
• 21:33
  Speaker 1: don't reimburse time. I already did the flight. I can't
• 21:35
  Speaker 1: be like, hey, guys, I need my money back. They're like,
• 21:37
  Speaker 1: but we took you here. Yeah, Like we don't care
• 21:39
  Speaker 1: what airline is gonna give your money back. Nobody airlines
• 21:42
  Speaker 1: hate everybody now anyway, you.
• 21:43
  Speaker 2: Have to pay to cancel a flight. That's a scam.
• 21:45
  Speaker 1: It truly is. And you buy a flight and they're like, okay,
• 21:47
  Speaker 1: we have your money and we're gonna keep that. But
• 21:49
  Speaker 1: if you would like it's to cancel it or have more,
• 21:52
  Speaker 1: like we also need you to pay for that, Like it.
• 21:54
  Speaker 2: Makes more sense to not show up for the flight
• 21:56
  Speaker 2: than it does.
• 21:56
  Speaker 1: To Yeah, if you don't show for a flight and
• 21:59
  Speaker 1: then you show up within two hours of when the
• 22:00
  Speaker 1: flight was supposed to take off, you can reschedule it.
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: Oh I didn't know that.
• 22:05
  Speaker 1: Yes, okay, that's a good So it's like if you
• 22:08
  Speaker 1: missed the flight, like don't sit at home, like go
• 22:10
  Speaker 1: to the airport, you know, panic through a little you know,
• 22:13
  Speaker 1: water on your brow and make it work and tell
• 22:16
  Speaker 1: me you're in an accident. They don't know. There's so
• 22:19
  Speaker 1: many accidents happen every day. Don't mean you got to
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: be extreme, you know what I mean?
• 22:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, I left.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: My keys in the Gordian. I was an accident. I
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: was an accident. You know what I mean. You gotta
• 22:27
  Speaker 1: fix your thinking, change your mind.
• 22:29
  Speaker 2: I feel like you are a scammer.
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: I am, I fully am. I don't deny it one bit.
• 22:36
  Speaker 2: You just suggested we throw water on our brow to
• 22:39
  Speaker 2: look like we're panicking.
• 22:41
  Speaker 1: It helps look people like a good story, you know.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: So basically, once they would fly to Indonesia, which why
• 22:48
  Speaker 1: God a designated Indonesian money man arrives on a moped
• 22:52
  Speaker 1: to collect the funds. Needless to say, the promised reimbursement
• 22:57
  Speaker 1: never arrives. Don't trust nobody on a moped.
• 23:00
  Speaker 2: They can get away so fast you don't have to
• 23:03
  Speaker 2: see their face necessarily, they get a helmet on.
• 23:05
  Speaker 1: A help this only kind of vehicle where we don't
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: have to see your face, and then you can get
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: through traffic your headlights and shit, like you're not in
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: a vehicle. And also like if a man arrives on
• 23:15
  Speaker 1: a moped to take your money, like what why?
• 23:19
  Speaker 2: What the why is there a rush? First of all,
• 23:20
  Speaker 2: why do you want my money so bad that you
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: have to like and then speed off with it. I'm
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: very stressed by that. Why are you meeting me right
• 23:26
  Speaker 2: here to get it immediately?
• 23:28
  Speaker 1: Like from the airport, Like, can't even get to my hotel,
• 23:30
  Speaker 1: I can't check in.
• 23:31
  Speaker 2: Can I relax for a second before I get robbed?
• 23:33
  Speaker 1: Can I get cue cumber of water? Can I get
• 23:35
  Speaker 1: themiletting in cucumber water before I am robbed expeditiously by
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: this on a moped. Also, getting robbed by somebody on
• 23:42
  Speaker 1: the mopeds is embarrassing. It is so needless to say
• 23:46
  Speaker 1: the reimbursements never arrived. Hundreds and thousands of dollars have
• 23:49
  Speaker 1: been collectively stolen this way. So at the center of
• 23:53
  Speaker 1: this organization is the impersonator. It's a woman who's sophisticated
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: research skill with accents and deft psychological and emotional manipulation
• 24:01
  Speaker 1: have earned her the begudgeon respect of her victims and trackers.
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: Oh yeah, afterwards, you're like, I respect her, like she.
• 24:08
  Speaker 1: Got You're like, I mean I have for that. That's
• 24:13
  Speaker 1: how I want to be scammed. I don't want to
• 24:15
  Speaker 1: be scamed by somebody where it's like all the signs
• 24:17
  Speaker 1: were there, Yeah, like I would like to be like,
• 24:19
  Speaker 1: oh no, she was talented. Yeah right, So K two investigators.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: So it's like an international investigation. They believe that the
• 24:26
  Speaker 1: woman is the talent of the operation. While relatively small.
• 24:31
  Speaker 1: They think that it's operating in three continents, including the US, Asia,
• 24:35
  Speaker 1: and Europe. The victims come from all over and represent
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: a wide swath of creative industries hair stylists, stuntman, military advisors, photographers, cinematographers.
• 24:45
  Speaker 1: So basically, she's saying, Hey, it's Mae Kelly. I'm British,
• 24:52
  Speaker 1: as you know. We're doing a project over here Indonesia,
• 24:56
  Speaker 1: and we will really love if you will come. Will
• 24:58
  Speaker 1: reimbuss you feel trap.
• 25:00
  Speaker 2: I personally want to do it. I like, how right?
• 25:03
  Speaker 1: I mean?
• 25:04
  Speaker 2: Also, if you're going to like lower on the food
• 25:07
  Speaker 2: chain of like people working in the business where you're like, okay,
• 25:09
  Speaker 2: I'm gonna scam the hairdresser as opposed to the director
• 25:13
  Speaker 2: of a film or something like and then they're like, oh,
• 25:15
  Speaker 2: it's a job. It's just like jobs out of nowhere
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: through random people that you know, Like it all just
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: can happen that way where someone calls you when you
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: get a job like that, so like, yeah.
• 25:24
  Speaker 1: It started a fact check. That's the weird thing about
• 25:26
  Speaker 1: Hollywood is like sometimes you'll get an email and you're
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: like this sounds wrong. Then you'll go and it's real.
• 25:31
  Speaker 1: I got an email wants to do twenty minutes of
• 25:32
  Speaker 1: improv for five thousand dollars and I was like, there's
• 25:35
  Speaker 1: no way, this is no I like email. Then I
• 25:37
  Speaker 1: had them send me over of their website, all their information,
• 25:40
  Speaker 1: all this stuff. I only gave them information that was
• 25:43
  Speaker 1: like not my personal information. And then the daycame and
• 25:45
  Speaker 1: I was like, okay, so what's the worst I get
• 25:47
  Speaker 1: killed if I.
• 25:48
  Speaker 2: Go, or you get no money or like whatever. They
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: never send you a check.
• 25:52
  Speaker 1: And then I, oh my god, they gave me the check. There. Wow,
• 25:55
  Speaker 1: it was like fifteen minutes and they gave me a check.
• 25:57
  Speaker 1: And I was like clear, why check? And I was
• 26:00
  Speaker 1: like so that's the reason why in Hollywood is like
• 26:03
  Speaker 1: it's going to be a depth to these scams. I'm like, Okay, Indonesia, Yes,
• 26:06
  Speaker 1: And then I think Indonesia is like a great place
• 26:09
  Speaker 1: because what do you know about Indonesia. I don't know much.
• 26:12
  Speaker 2: It's super vague. I feel like i'd be like, sounds
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: really cool. I've never thought about going there.
• 26:16
  Speaker 1: So if the mopedman pulls up, you're giving him your cash?
• 26:18
  Speaker 2: I probably would. I mean, I feel like, I mean,
• 26:21
  Speaker 2: I can't imagine fighting back in that moment.
• 26:23
  Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, he said, we gotta give him the cash.
• 26:25
  Speaker 2: Yeah, are you supposed to show Do they tell you
• 26:26
  Speaker 2: to show up with cash?
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: Like?
• 26:28
  Speaker 2: Why do the people have so much money on them?
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: I think because they talk about reimbursement and all that
• 26:31
  Speaker 1: stuff that maybe they have it on them.
• 26:34
  Speaker 2: I don't know, or maybe they're like told, like it's
• 26:36
  Speaker 2: easier to buy things with cash there, so just bring
• 26:39
  Speaker 2: cash for all the stuff you're going to do while
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: you're there, right.
• 26:42
  Speaker 1: Yeah, that might be what it is, like just bring
• 26:45
  Speaker 1: cash on Indonesia. The transfer is not the high So
• 26:47
  Speaker 1: they're doing this to so many people, and I guess
• 26:49
  Speaker 1: it's smart because, like you were saying, they're not going
• 26:51
  Speaker 1: higher up to where people could actually spread the information.
• 26:54
  Speaker 1: If you're just one hairstyle is like, who are you
• 26:56
  Speaker 1: gonna tell?
• 26:56
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what I mean, And it just sounds
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: it sounds true, like what Yeah, there's no reason to
• 27:00
  Speaker 2: not believe it.
• 27:01
  Speaker 1: And so they have a transcription of her, Oh wow
• 27:05
  Speaker 1: doing this So basically they don't know who it is. No,
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: they don't.
• 27:08
  Speaker 2: That's so crazy.
• 27:10
  Speaker 1: So someone named Scott Johnson started tracking this woman because
• 27:14
  Speaker 1: he was really impressed by her different vocals, skill sets.
• 27:19
  Speaker 1: Maybe wants to be here, but I.
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: Love how everyone talking about her is just really impressed
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: by her.
• 27:23
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 27:23
  Speaker 2: No one is like let's arrest her. They're like, we
• 27:25
  Speaker 2: just think she's an amazing actor.
• 27:29
  Speaker 1: I don't know.
• 27:29
  Speaker 2: I always want to know more.
• 27:30
  Speaker 1: We want to make her life a movie than actually
• 27:32
  Speaker 1: isn't a scam like the movies that she's saying are scam. Yeah,
• 27:36
  Speaker 1: it's all for research. So they're saying nothing is one
• 27:39
  Speaker 1: hundred percent. But they're very very sure that this one
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: person is the guise of multiple people. And we're talking
• 27:45
  Speaker 1: more voices, more personas, more personalities, more accents than probably
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: what they've calculated out of their little list. And the
• 27:51
  Speaker 1: director from home.
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: Yeah, so like people come out of the woodwork saying
• 27:54
  Speaker 2: like this happened to me? Or like how are they
• 27:56
  Speaker 2: figuring this out?
• 27:57
  Speaker 1: So what's happened? And that's why KAY two got involved
• 27:59
  Speaker 1: in It became inna is because different continents, well not
• 28:02
  Speaker 1: different continents, but people on different continents were speaking up
• 28:05
  Speaker 1: about the similar kind of scam. So they aren't sure
• 28:08
  Speaker 1: still one hundred percent if it is the same woman,
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: but they're pretty sure because they have like voice analysis
• 28:14
  Speaker 1: and people who are like running the like checking her
• 28:17
  Speaker 1: because they have recordings. Now Oh yeah, ways, so they're checking.
• 28:20
  Speaker 1: So that's like the hot thing right now is like
• 28:22
  Speaker 1: is it one person? Isn't multiple people?
• 28:24
  Speaker 2: It's like banksy and it's like secretly ten people maybe,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: or it's just one or it's just one great guy.
• 28:28
  Speaker 2: But everyone's obsessed.
• 28:30
  Speaker 1: And so they said, this is someone who's esceptionially skilled
• 28:32
  Speaker 1: with voice work, impersonation, accents, and a particular kind of psychology.
• 28:35
  Speaker 1: They've talked about that a bunch. So they get people
• 28:38
  Speaker 1: to go along with these job offers that just seem
• 28:40
  Speaker 1: too good to be true. But she has this way
• 28:43
  Speaker 1: about her that is convincing people. And I could I
• 28:46
  Speaker 1: could see that, Yeah, I could see that she was
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: using burner phones to cover her tracks, So all these
• 28:52
  Speaker 1: numbers are different. You can't call back crazy. You get
• 28:55
  Speaker 1: to Indonesia for your job and you call it hello, Hello, Hello.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: I know that would that alone would be scary, Like
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: you arrive somewhere and then there's just like no real
• 29:05
  Speaker 2: like nothing's really happening. Then you get all your money
• 29:07
  Speaker 2: taken from you. You're totally fucked, Like I don't know,
• 29:09
  Speaker 2: that would be like a really that would scare me
• 29:11
  Speaker 2: from jobs in the future.
• 29:12
  Speaker 1: For I was, I'm gonna give her a name, Sharon.
• 29:15
  Speaker 1: So it's Sharon.
• 29:16
  Speaker 2: Her name is Sharon.
• 29:18
  Speaker 1: And you're like, hey, Sharon, we gave the moped man
• 29:20
  Speaker 1: our money. Hello. Hello. He sped off, like, now you're
• 29:25
  Speaker 1: just cashless in a foreign country. Yeah, with no job
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: and probably no hotel either. Yeah. So which, oh gosh girl.
• 29:35
  Speaker 1: So they would use fake burner phones and they would
• 29:37
  Speaker 1: also use go Daddy accounts with fake email addresses. Wow. Okay.
• 29:42
  Speaker 2: So they made like what like fake websites or something.
• 29:44
  Speaker 1: So they were constructing fake websites to be like, oh
• 29:47
  Speaker 1: here Google us, like this is legit our production.
• 29:49
  Speaker 2: I feel like so often when like something like this happens,
• 29:52
  Speaker 2: it's almost like a way to teach people how to
• 29:54
  Speaker 2: scam people, because I'm like, oh, I wouldn't have thought
• 29:56
  Speaker 2: of that. Okay, so there's that I could do that
• 29:58
  Speaker 2: if I was gonna do a scam, Like you have
• 29:59
  Speaker 2: a bunch of websites, it's all your different emails attached.
• 30:01
  Speaker 1: Patrick told us Go Daddy was good, and now I
• 30:04
  Speaker 1: believe her.
• 30:05
  Speaker 2: So he's the strange That was like one of the
• 30:06
  Speaker 2: strangest likesh. Yeah, like why I heard I don't.
• 30:10
  Speaker 1: Need ras this web website.
• 30:14
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I get it.
• 30:15
  Speaker 1: The NASCAR people need website. Okay, okay, you know it
• 30:19
  Speaker 1: didn't matter. I remember, that's all Daddy wanted.
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: That's true.
• 30:22
  Speaker 1: That's why they did. They were like, let's just do
• 30:24
  Speaker 1: something random. Yeah it works, and it worked because you
• 30:26
  Speaker 1: were like, why are they associated? But now my brain
• 30:29
  Speaker 1: is questioning which advertisement.
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: It's one of the only things I know Aboutdanika Patrick
• 30:33
  Speaker 2: is that she likes Go.
• 30:34
  Speaker 1: Daddy right literally, and she races cars, So good job,
• 30:37
  Speaker 1: Go Daddy. But yeah, so they were doing like fake
• 30:39
  Speaker 1: Go Daddy accounts and things like that to just start
• 30:42
  Speaker 1: to get people involved, and I thought that was great.
• 30:46
  Speaker 1: So once they get to Indonesia and the mopedman comes
• 30:49
  Speaker 1: and leaves. Then a local driver picks them up at
• 30:52
  Speaker 1: the airport, sometimes accompanied by an interpreter. So they do
• 30:56
  Speaker 1: get picked up, wow, yes, And then both ask I
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: even read this. Both asked for thousands of dollars upfront
• 31:04
  Speaker 1: to be used for the victims accommodation, plus an additional
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: fee for their respective services.
• 31:09
  Speaker 2: So okay, so someone shows up and they also bring
• 31:11
  Speaker 2: a translator, and both of those people are like, you
• 31:13
  Speaker 2: have to give us money. Yeah, that's so intimidating. Like
• 31:16
  Speaker 2: you're in a car with people and suddenly they're like,
• 31:18
  Speaker 2: just give us thousands of dollars.
• 31:19
  Speaker 1: Like you got in the car. Yeah, no, you already
• 31:22
  Speaker 1: in the car, so give us the money.
• 31:23
  Speaker 2: I mean, that was a probably locked.
• 31:25
  Speaker 1: From the inside.
• 31:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, my pre uber experience experience.
• 31:29
  Speaker 1: He was like, I'm giving you your life.
• 31:31
  Speaker 2: Yeah, you're in a car, you got to ride home.
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: So it's one hundred twenty dollars.
• 31:35
  Speaker 1: It's not very much, I say it or else. Yeah,
• 31:39
  Speaker 1: so they get in the car. Now, what I don't
• 31:41
  Speaker 1: understand is the mopenman already came for the cash.
• 31:44
  Speaker 2: So yeah, how did they have any money left? Maybe
• 31:47
  Speaker 2: he only took a certain amount.
• 31:49
  Speaker 1: Or I truly don't know, they must be taught to.
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: Like bring a certain amount of money with them maybe,
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: and then like it's just getting split all over the place.
• 31:56
  Speaker 2: It doesn't feel ass crazy though, Like if you give
• 31:59
  Speaker 2: them pay. If you're told to bring like five thousand
• 32:01
  Speaker 2: dollars in cash and you give the moped man like
• 32:03
  Speaker 2: two thousand, you're like, okay, well that's fine, got that
• 32:05
  Speaker 2: deal done. And then you get in the car and
• 32:07
  Speaker 2: like we want the three thousand, and you're like, oh,
• 32:09
  Speaker 2: so they just kind of divide it so that you
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: go along with it a little longer.
• 32:12
  Speaker 1: Yeah, maybe because it's like smaller amounts.
• 32:14
  Speaker 2: Because like five thousand one sounds so insane, like give
• 32:16
  Speaker 2: that first guy, but then it's like if you're giving
• 32:18
  Speaker 2: him a little bit and then a little bit, yeah, and.
• 32:20
  Speaker 1: That's what they're doing. It's like a very small con
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: because this is where the con actually ends. So it's
• 32:25
  Speaker 1: like you're in the car with the driver and the
• 32:28
  Speaker 1: interpreter and they're like, give us this money for the
• 32:30
  Speaker 1: accommodation and also give us this money for the interpreter,
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: which I'm like, I ask.
• 32:34
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I got Google translate. Hold on, let me put
• 32:37
  Speaker 2: in fiance. These people have full relationships just through Google Translate.
• 32:41
  Speaker 2: It literally just talks like a robot and that's how
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: they are with their lovers exactly.
• 32:46
  Speaker 1: So nobody asked for your interpreter. Okay, I will get
• 32:49
  Speaker 1: on Google Translate and be what the hell in Indonesia?
• 32:54
  Speaker 1: Give me my money back? Where am I going? And
• 32:56
  Speaker 1: it's vigorously typing away. Yeah. So it was like, I
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: didn't ask for this interpreter. Why I got to pay
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: this guy? I love people showing up and demanding to
• 33:06
  Speaker 1: be paid. They didn't ask to be there. Yeah, that's
• 33:08
  Speaker 1: really stressful.
• 33:09
  Speaker 2: I feel like, I mean, I would give them everything,
• 33:12
  Speaker 2: it would work, Like.
• 33:13
  Speaker 1: I'm so sorry. Yeah. So after they do this, the
• 33:16
  Speaker 1: accomplices disappear. So basically they drop you off at the
• 33:19
  Speaker 1: hotel and then you're like okay, y'all checking us in
• 33:22
  Speaker 1: or what and they just leave, go on and that's it.
• 33:24
  Speaker 1: That's it, And they do this to all types of people.
• 33:28
  Speaker 2: Well, so when you're just in your hotel realizing what
• 33:30
  Speaker 2: just happened to you, yeah, oh my god.
• 33:32
  Speaker 1: Yeah, your hotel that you still have to pay for
• 33:34
  Speaker 1: because the thousands that you paid did not go to
• 33:37
  Speaker 1: the hotel, right, which I was like, okay, props to y'all.
• 33:41
  Speaker 2: God that is that would be I honestly would feel
• 33:44
  Speaker 2: so stupid by the time I goes at the hotel,
• 33:47
  Speaker 2: like it's just like you just got robbed every which way.
• 33:50
  Speaker 1: I think I would too, rob.
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: Run.
• 33:56
  Speaker 1: So there's one guy who has kind of come back
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: with his whole story. He was a freelance documentary photographer
• 34:02
  Speaker 1: who's twenty seven, and he worked at conflict zones in
• 34:04
  Speaker 1: several PROCEIDIUREUS newspapers magazine, and he shot ad campaigns for
• 34:07
  Speaker 1: corporate clients basically like he's a legit photographer. Huh. So
• 34:10
  Speaker 1: he said the first thing that he noticed was the
• 34:12
  Speaker 1: sender's name. And when he got this email, and it
• 34:14
  Speaker 1: was from Ammy Pascal, who's the former chair of Sony
• 34:17
  Speaker 1: Pictures Entertainment, Pascal end quotes, wanted to know if he
• 34:21
  Speaker 1: would be interested in traveling to Indonesia to pursue an
• 34:24
  Speaker 1: exciting project. So Indonesia is this girl's JAHI like, she's like,
• 34:27
  Speaker 1: I know the airports on the terminals and all my
• 34:30
  Speaker 1: people there. I got mom, I got interpreters, like I've
• 34:33
  Speaker 1: built a a thick web besides in Indonesia, So this
• 34:36
  Speaker 1: is where all her projects are happening. So after the call,
• 34:39
  Speaker 1: he looked at the email again and he noticed the
• 34:41
  Speaker 1: url pascalfilms dot com didn't exist. Okay, Pascal claimed to
• 34:48
  Speaker 1: have been very publicly embarrassed in the twenty fifteen Sony
• 34:51
  Speaker 1: hack and that was when all her emails came out. Yes,
• 34:55
  Speaker 1: that was so bad. So what a what a loopdi loop? Here?
• 35:00
  Speaker 2: That's an interesting person to pick because you're like, Okay,
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: this person's kind of been dragged through the mud a
• 35:05
  Speaker 2: little bit, and so it would make sense that maybe
• 35:07
  Speaker 2: they started their own thing and now they're doing something different.
• 35:10
  Speaker 2: They have their own website because it's like now they're
• 35:12
  Speaker 2: not really associated with Sony anymore.
• 35:14
  Speaker 1: And then like, who do you think is shooting like
• 35:16
  Speaker 1: weird projects in Indonesia? Definitely someone who was disgraced by
• 35:20
  Speaker 1: the entire film.
• 35:21
  Speaker 2: And just go somewhere random and start over, right.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: So it's like you're thinking, if you know the industry,
• 35:26
  Speaker 1: like maybe she's starting over. She got some course when
• 35:28
  Speaker 1: you think, I appreciate the amount of thought they put it. Yeah,
• 35:31
  Speaker 1: they didn't just say.
• 35:31
  Speaker 2: It was like Jennifer Lawrence like yeah.
• 35:34
  Speaker 1: Jennifer, once we're making I'm making a movie Silver Lightnings
• 35:38
  Speaker 1: playbook three in Indonesia. Two.
• 35:46
  Speaker 2: Don't ask questions, show up, shut up.
• 35:48
  Speaker 1: So yeah, so he picked somebody who's kind of disgraced
• 35:50
  Speaker 1: and then he basically the photographer's like this email doesn't exist,
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: like this person, maybe maybe something's fishy or off. But
• 35:59
  Speaker 1: the woman said that the lack of online presence for
• 36:03
  Speaker 1: her new company was because she was laying low because
• 36:06
  Speaker 1: of the twenty fifteen sony had.
• 36:09
  Speaker 2: That's a good excuse too.
• 36:10
  Speaker 1: It was excellent, perfect. Yeah, you had to have done
• 36:13
  Speaker 1: some thinking.
• 36:14
  Speaker 2: You're ready for that question.
• 36:15
  Speaker 1: I too have impressed with this woman. So Pascal was
• 36:18
  Speaker 1: familiar with details of his corporate clients, specifically personality quirks
• 36:22
  Speaker 1: and of whom he'd worked with, Like, you only know
• 36:24
  Speaker 1: these things if you've dealt with these people in very
• 36:26
  Speaker 1: specific ways. So this gave her immediate credibility. So what
• 36:30
  Speaker 1: he's saying is that when she was on the phone
• 36:32
  Speaker 1: talking about, you know, other networking sects, like she she's
• 36:35
  Speaker 1: obviously met these people. Yeah, and so she knew how
• 36:38
  Speaker 1: a con So I've always thought that maybe this was
• 36:39
  Speaker 1: like a secretary or someone who had been working the
• 36:42
  Speaker 1: home industry who realized that she could do this con
• 36:45
  Speaker 1: because that's how like good scammers start, is like they
• 36:48
  Speaker 1: realize there's a flaw in the system and then they
• 36:51
  Speaker 1: exploit it. So I'm like, this woman had to have
• 36:54
  Speaker 1: known that work.
• 36:55
  Speaker 2: So true because if you're yeah, if you're like someone
• 36:57
  Speaker 2: who's like an assistant or whatever, like so often they're
• 36:59
  Speaker 2: on every single phone call listening and as like someone
• 37:02
  Speaker 2: calling them. You don't necessarily know that, but they're taking
• 37:04
  Speaker 2: notes and like making sure that that that their boss
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: has like all the information from when they have to
• 37:07
  Speaker 2: call them back later or whatever, and so they get
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: all the inside scooped, like how everything works, who all
• 37:12
  Speaker 2: the people are, what all the names are, like how
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: people are talked about, and like how.
• 37:15
  Speaker 1: People talk exactly. So that's not the whole process.
• 37:18
  Speaker 2: That's gotta be what it is has to be Like
• 37:20
  Speaker 2: how are you just some random person doing that and
• 37:21
  Speaker 2: you have I mean you would that would be so
• 37:23
  Speaker 2: impossible to pull off.
• 37:24
  Speaker 1: You have to be.
• 37:24
  Speaker 2: It has to be someone from the inside.
• 37:25
  Speaker 1: It has to be And maybe she was fired or
• 37:28
  Speaker 1: or maybe she was fired from Sony when they cleaned yuh,
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: who knows. Maybe this is Amy Pasque. I'm gonna put
• 37:34
  Speaker 1: that in throwing that in the ring too, but because
• 37:37
  Speaker 1: like I think she's probably her desk, like damn, these
• 37:39
  Speaker 1: hairstyles just be showing up to say they don't they
• 37:41
  Speaker 1: paying their own money? Right? Stupid? Oh they stupid. And
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: the light went off in her head. She was like, oh,
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: I'm about to start doing this to other people.
• 37:51
  Speaker 2: I like that theory.
• 37:53
  Speaker 1: So she explained that he would stay in Indonesia for
• 37:56
  Speaker 1: about a week shooting images of landscapes, temples, iconic scenery
• 37:59
  Speaker 1: for a store story board. He would pay in advance
• 38:02
  Speaker 1: for the airfare and the front costs for the driver,
• 38:06
  Speaker 1: the translator, and food and other sundrys, and she would
• 38:10
  Speaker 1: reimburse him for all these expenses. So before long he
• 38:13
  Speaker 1: was on a plane to Jakarta.
• 38:15
  Speaker 2: I mean, I believe it, like it's it's actually the
• 38:19
  Speaker 2: job sounds so legitimate though, to be like you're gonna
• 38:21
  Speaker 2: go shoot these like things for a storyboard, like it's
• 38:23
  Speaker 2: like not even making it sell and it's something bigger
• 38:24
  Speaker 2: than it is, Like it's it's very small. Yeah, Like
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: it's a simple project. So that's why we can't pay
• 38:29
  Speaker 2: you in advance, Like it's just kind of a thing
• 38:31
  Speaker 2: we're doing to like get.
• 38:32
  Speaker 1: The sack ult. But you're gonna get your money.
• 38:35
  Speaker 2: You'll get paid.
• 38:38
  Speaker 1: So six months and sixty five thousand dollars.
• 38:43
  Speaker 2: Why is it so much? I don't know that.
• 38:47
  Speaker 1: That's too much. The photographer who requested anneemy out of
• 38:52
  Speaker 1: concern for safety, also probably.
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: Because like protect his dumbass from sixty that's way too
• 38:59
  Speaker 2: much money has the flight? I mean, like you can't.
• 39:02
  Speaker 2: I can't even think of like what would add up
• 39:03
  Speaker 2: to be that much in that trip, Like that's just
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: an insane, luxurious trip that you're taking.
• 39:08
  Speaker 1: Maybe he was like put up in a really nice hotel,
• 39:10
  Speaker 1: and he thought the company was paying for me, you
• 39:12
  Speaker 1: know what, he was popping that hotel and getting dining
• 39:15
  Speaker 1: in every dad might be what it is, like, bring
• 39:17
  Speaker 1: on the brute.
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: He's like, it's a work trip. I'm getting paid back.
• 39:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm getting reimbursed, honey to be preimbursed. What have
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: you learned? Reimbursed? And then I was also like you
• 39:25
  Speaker 1: were over there for Please don't tell me you were
• 39:27
  Speaker 1: over there for a week, cause then what are you like?
• 39:30
  Speaker 1: I can't.
• 39:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, who spends that much money in one I don't understand.
• 39:33
  Speaker 1: You're like a royal family. Yeah, like what are you
• 39:35
  Speaker 1: sixty five thousand dollars?
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: The interpreter just keeps coming back like she's like, I
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: got a lot to say, didn't even talk to random people.
• 39:43
  Speaker 1: People got a lot to say around You want to
• 39:45
  Speaker 1: know or not you don't want to know. If they
• 39:47
  Speaker 1: saying about you, they talking about you over there, you
• 39:49
  Speaker 1: not paying for it, then I'm gonna.
• 39:51
  Speaker 2: Taste that thousand dollars a word.
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Yeah, seriously, because that's sixty five thousand dollars is an
• 39:56
  Speaker 1: insane amount of money to be scammed out of.
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: It's it sounds fun to spend that much in a week,
• 40:01
  Speaker 2: Like I can't imagine what I would be buying in
• 40:03
  Speaker 2: what I'd be doing, but it sounds like a good time.
• 40:05
  Speaker 1: Oh, I would love it. I would like. So basically,
• 40:08
  Speaker 1: this similar type of scam is what this woman has
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: been running on so many people, and they don't have
• 40:14
  Speaker 1: her name.
• 40:15
  Speaker 2: I can't believe she's still getting away with it, so
• 40:16
  Speaker 2: she must be. She's probably still counting people.
• 40:18
  Speaker 1: Yeah, right now, there's no resolution to this. She actually
• 40:21
  Speaker 1: is still out here in the world. That's cunning people.
• 40:24
  Speaker 1: And to that, I say, listen, Queen Sharon, if you
• 40:26
  Speaker 1: can hear this, I am proud of.
• 40:28
  Speaker 2: You, Sharon, call in on a burner phone. We will
• 40:31
  Speaker 2: not try to track you. No, we would just want
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: to know.
• 40:34
  Speaker 1: We don't want you to get caught.
• 40:35
  Speaker 2: No, we just want to know how it's going, what
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: your next plans are?
• 40:39
  Speaker 1: Yeah, are you having moved up to Camops and DP? No,
• 40:41
  Speaker 1: they got a crazy union girl. Don't do that. Okay,
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: stick with the hair stylers because they are they work
• 40:46
  Speaker 1: non union for a long time. Shout out to my hairstylis.
• 40:49
  Speaker 1: I'm sorry, guys. I don't think I would show up
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: and not be paid for travel.
• 40:55
  Speaker 2: I don't know. Yeah, I guess I think I might.
• 41:00
  Speaker 1: I was like, she knows everyone in the industry.
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: I feel like that's where it would start to get fishy,
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: Like if you involve like an agent or something, you
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: think they're able to like check this and make sure
• 41:09
  Speaker 2: it's real, but they might not be able to.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Because that happened to us, like exactly very large it.
• 41:14
  Speaker 1: Oh who told us that this was a good idea.
• 41:17
  Speaker 2: No one questioned it. No, not at all, So yeah,
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: it could happen.
• 41:22
  Speaker 1: Except for my lawyer who was like, this is why
• 41:24
  Speaker 1: you don't do no budget. I mean, you're just saying
• 41:28
  Speaker 1: that because who wasn't gonna make that much money. You're
• 41:30
  Speaker 1: gonna have five dollars and that's why you need be
• 41:32
  Speaker 1: selling your own movies every week. Come on, so I
• 41:36
  Speaker 1: can get commissioned. No, but so I think the industry
• 41:40
  Speaker 1: thing is the thing that's most darring to me is
• 41:42
  Speaker 1: like she's calling people and she's probably like, yeah, I'm
• 41:44
  Speaker 1: working on this project with Ted. You know Ted from Sony,
• 41:47
  Speaker 1: you know, the one with the bread don't say nothing,
• 41:48
  Speaker 1: you know, super casual. Yeah, And there was like, yeah,
• 41:51
  Speaker 1: we ought no tide. He'd be eating them the story
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: strips all day. We'd be like tag on the afternoon
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: and she's like, yeah, so anyway, Ted involved.
• 41:59
  Speaker 2: So shut up with sixty five thousand dollars. It's gonna
• 42:02
  Speaker 2: be a four day trip.
• 42:04
  Speaker 1: Be prepared to give some to a man on a
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: mopen Yeah. Yeah, you will speed away.
• 42:07
  Speaker 2: You will never see him again. And that money does
• 42:10
  Speaker 2: not go anywhere, So.
• 42:11
  Speaker 1: It's not actually for anything. That's a part of the trip.
• 42:14
  Speaker 2: You'll never know where it was.
• 42:15
  Speaker 1: There's just moped money that you got to give up.
• 42:17
  Speaker 1: Don't ask. We reimbarsing you, So why do you care?
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fine, it'll come back.
• 42:21
  Speaker 1: Got to watch. She's good, she's good, she's excellent, and
• 42:24
  Speaker 1: she's still out here.
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: I love her.
• 42:26
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, so there's some fun details about this. When
• 42:29
  Speaker 1: she was doing the New York or the Pascal accent,
• 42:32
  Speaker 1: which I guess Amy Pascal's accent is a mix of
• 42:35
  Speaker 1: New York and Midwestern.
• 42:37
  Speaker 2: Wow, that's really nuanced dialogue that she's working with.
• 42:40
  Speaker 1: With a slight lisp.
• 42:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, that's hard to balance all those things.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Now, I know why they're impressed with.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: Like, have you seen that? Maybe it's that woman. Have
• 42:49
  Speaker 2: you seen that YouTube video of that woman who does
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: all the accents? She just like she says, actually she says, Hi,
• 42:53
  Speaker 2: my name is Amy. I Actually that's what she says
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: in the video. She says the same sentence. I don't
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: remember where's changed where she's from today?
• 43:00
  Speaker 1: Can we find Oh my god?
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: Yeah, what if it's her?
• 43:02
  Speaker 1: Oh my god? Are we finding that?
• 43:04
  Speaker 2: I'm not sure that's what she says, but I feel
• 43:05
  Speaker 2: like it is. It's like woman does like tons of accents.
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: I don't know how you would find it, but I.
• 43:10
  Speaker 1: Think anybody who can do multiple accents we have to
• 43:13
  Speaker 1: keep an eye on, Like the government.
• 43:14
  Speaker 2: She just like Amy Amy Walker.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: Oh oh oh Amy, Oh Amy? Are we figuring out
• 43:20
  Speaker 1: this is eleven million views? I think we might be
• 43:23
  Speaker 1: onto something.
• 43:24
  Speaker 2: What if she was hiding in plan sight?
• 43:26
  Speaker 1: That's how you got to scammer. Yes, her name is
• 43:31
  Speaker 1: Amy Walker Regional. That's more money. That was the more
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: money name is Amy Walker. I was born. Oh, oh
• 43:42
  Speaker 1: my god, this is her, Amie Walker on twenty five.
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: Oh my god.
• 43:48
  Speaker 1: She should have been arrested immediately as soon as it's
• 43:51
  Speaker 1: gonna get hurt out. If you got this many talents,
• 43:54
  Speaker 1: there's no way hell you're using them for so impressive.
• 43:57
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah, gosh, she definitely Amy.
• 44:00
  Speaker 3: I know.
• 44:02
  Speaker 1: Amy. What can I say if you seek Amy tonight? No,
• 44:06
  Speaker 1: no one, Oh my gosh, yeah no. The access that's
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: when you have incredible skills like that, like we can't
• 44:15
  Speaker 1: not admire. Oh yeah, he was so Now it's time
• 44:19
  Speaker 1: for our last segments Scammer of the Week, where we
• 44:22
  Speaker 1: honor just one prestigious, amazing charlatan you know what I mean,
• 44:25
  Speaker 1: who's just been excelling at chicanery. This week, we have
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: a Georgetown woman who conned a dive instructor out of
• 44:33
  Speaker 1: nearly two million dollars by pretending the money was for
• 44:37
  Speaker 1: legitimate fees for his Cayman status application.
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: Two million, two million? What application? Like, what are you
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: possibly getting yourself into that could cost two million dollars
• 44:50
  Speaker 2: to get like certified, or.
• 44:52
  Speaker 1: Who's trying to be a citizen? No? No, no, So
• 44:55
  Speaker 1: he's trying to be like a legit operator. I guess
• 44:57
  Speaker 1: of like scuba diving in the case.
• 45:00
  Speaker 2: She didn't cost two million dollars. That's insane.
• 45:03
  Speaker 1: This sounds like a Richard Brandson tire.
• 45:05
  Speaker 2: And how did he even have two million? How did
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: this happen?
• 45:07
  Speaker 1: Well, she was recently jailed for ten years. Douglass presented
• 45:10
  Speaker 1: herself as a legitimate operator working for the government wow,
• 45:15
  Speaker 1: and indicated that much of the money would be returned
• 45:18
  Speaker 1: at the end of his process. Guys, this is a
• 45:21
  Speaker 1: number one scam tactic. Anybody who's telling you they're gonna
• 45:23
  Speaker 1: give you your money back.
• 45:24
  Speaker 2: When the government takes your money, they don't give it back.
• 45:27
  Speaker 2: It's basically just a fact, Like.
• 45:29
  Speaker 1: The government's the biggest scam organization that we all participated.
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: We're paying our taxes. It's a scam.
• 45:35
  Speaker 1: We don't know where it goes. They're like to the roads,
• 45:38
  Speaker 1: which road like when they fix shit we don't know.
• 45:40
  Speaker 1: Like sometimes I just want to get out and talk
• 45:42
  Speaker 1: to constructional workers, like what y'all doing this week?
• 45:44
  Speaker 3: This?
• 45:45
  Speaker 1: Yall, y'all doing? How much you're getting a month? Everybody,
• 45:48
  Speaker 1: let's talk because we don't know what the government's doing
• 45:51
  Speaker 1: ent our.
• 45:51
  Speaker 2: Money, but they're not giving it back. That's if I
• 45:53
  Speaker 2: have a government two million dollars, I'm not getting two
• 45:55
  Speaker 2: million dollars.
• 45:55
  Speaker 1: Absolutely not. And why do y'all need it? Why do
• 45:58
  Speaker 1: y'all need to hold my money? Y'all? The government? Now,
• 46:00
  Speaker 1: taxes are that give money, and they do give us
• 46:03
  Speaker 1: money back.
• 46:04
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but maybe a little, but it's not gonna be
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: You're not gonna get two million.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: No, nobody's getting a two million dollar refriend check unfortunately,
• 46:12
  Speaker 1: So red flag anyone telling you that they're going to
• 46:15
  Speaker 1: give you money back. And also, my mom always said
• 46:17
  Speaker 1: growing up, like never borrow or no, never lend out
• 46:21
  Speaker 1: more money than you're willing to never see again.
• 46:23
  Speaker 2: I totally agree with that. I totally agree with that.
• 46:25
  Speaker 1: So someone asked you for a loan, I have to
• 46:26
  Speaker 1: think about how much they want because I'm like, I
• 46:29
  Speaker 1: have to be okay with like never getting this money back. Yeah.
• 46:31
  Speaker 2: And I've lent money to friends before and have gone
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: like okay, and they paid me back actually every time.
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: But it's that thing of I might never see it against.
• 46:40
  Speaker 2: The amount that I give has to just be a
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: gift until further notice, and then if they pay it back,
• 46:44
  Speaker 2: that's great, right.
• 46:45
  Speaker 1: It can't be so much money that I'm looking at
• 46:47
  Speaker 1: you every time I see you.
• 46:48
  Speaker 2: Going like hmmm.
• 46:50
  Speaker 1: Also, you've got Starbucks. Oh so you got money for Yes,
• 46:53
  Speaker 1: you can't pay me back. Oh you got money for
• 46:55
  Speaker 1: a double frat, but you can't pay me back.
• 46:57
  Speaker 2: I would take five dollars at a time.
• 47:00
  Speaker 1: You can send me five dollars at a time. Yeah,
• 47:03
  Speaker 1: I'd be looking at everything they do. I'm like, okay,
• 47:05
  Speaker 1: so you've got gas and car. Where are you going
• 47:07
  Speaker 1: to get my money? Yeah? You go into the band. No, okay, okay,
• 47:10
  Speaker 1: I'm just saying that.
• 47:12
  Speaker 2: Money if you if you can't handle being looked at
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: that way, like with every purchase you make, like it
• 47:16
  Speaker 2: is like that's how it's gonna go.
• 47:18
  Speaker 1: So I ask for money, which I have parents who
• 47:21
  Speaker 1: I asked for money, which are the best people to
• 47:22
  Speaker 1: learn from because like they don't bother you but if
• 47:26
  Speaker 1: I have ever if I'd ever borrowed someone's money, I
• 47:28
  Speaker 1: would never have the audacity to try to like spend
• 47:30
  Speaker 1: it any money in front of them. No, every time
• 47:32
  Speaker 1: I was nothing, I'd be in tattered clothes. You have
• 47:36
  Speaker 1: so many clothes, Like, where are these rags coming from?
• 47:38
  Speaker 1: I just played a part of things are not going well?
• 47:40
  Speaker 2: Yeah, when tattered rags and might need only wear them
• 47:46
  Speaker 2: when we hang out because I've seen your Instagram.
• 47:48
  Speaker 1: I just feel like I was your Instagram store. You're
• 47:51
  Speaker 1: wearing normal clothes everywhere else, but then when I see you,
• 47:53
  Speaker 1: you're dressed like an eighteenth century beggar, Like what is this?
• 47:57
  Speaker 1: But I'm gonna play it the part until I got
• 47:59
  Speaker 1: the money. You know, we ain't gonna have nowhere to
• 48:01
  Speaker 1: spend money. Every time we go out, it's gonna be
• 48:03
  Speaker 1: a hike, right, It's gonna be one of those cheap
• 48:05
  Speaker 1: ass tender days that everybody likes to do, like, oh,
• 48:07
  Speaker 1: let's go for a hike or a walk? Going on?
• 48:09
  Speaker 2: Fuck it was, but you I don't know, Tinder, you
• 48:11
  Speaker 2: want to go on a hike?
• 48:12
  Speaker 1: Okay?
• 48:13
  Speaker 2: I don't like that that they have sex.
• 48:14
  Speaker 1: It's hinge when I want to go for hikes. Everybody
• 48:16
  Speaker 1: think they so deep because they like Taco's office. And
• 48:19
  Speaker 1: I don't want to want to hike.
• 48:20
  Speaker 2: On a first date where I'm on a breadth, I
• 48:21
  Speaker 2: can really get it, like get a conversation going that's
• 48:24
  Speaker 2: like and also like not fun, No.
• 48:27
  Speaker 1: Not fun at all.
• 48:27
  Speaker 2: I relax.
• 48:28
  Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm going up into the I don't know.
• 48:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, You're gonna kill me at the top of this canyon, right.
• 48:33
  Speaker 1: No, that's not like a perfect resident. I'm just bringing
• 48:35
  Speaker 1: the murder to you. Like, that's not even fun.
• 48:37
  Speaker 2: A stranger is gonna take me to the top of
• 48:39
  Speaker 2: a canyon. That's a no.
• 48:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but it sounds it sounds fun. Just like long
• 48:44
  Speaker 1: walks on the beach. No hardest to walk in sand.
• 48:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't want to do that.
• 48:48
  Speaker 1: I did a five k on the sand and I
• 48:49
  Speaker 1: was like, fuck this.
• 48:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a Brad's a humble bad.
• 48:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah that's harder because it's on the sand. Yeah, making
• 48:57
  Speaker 1: that clear strong calves back to Douglas. So you know me,
• 49:04
  Speaker 1: I am all for women scamming men, but this poor guy,
• 49:08
  Speaker 1: this is this was very sad. Some hilarious quotes from
• 49:12
  Speaker 1: this was okay. He was a diver, but he was
• 49:14
  Speaker 1: hardly able to get a breath. He was drowned by
• 49:17
  Speaker 1: her ocean of lies. Oh okay, a very creative reporter
• 49:22
  Speaker 1: who who wrote this So basically she just kept calling him,
• 49:27
  Speaker 1: pretending to impersonate the government, saying that she needed more
• 49:30
  Speaker 1: fees from the government. Everybody gives the government their money
• 49:33
  Speaker 1: must have.
• 49:34
  Speaker 2: Been in debt from this though, Like, I mean, unless
• 49:36
  Speaker 2: he was a millionaire.
• 49:37
  Speaker 1: If he was a million's despair like this, then like, how.
• 49:41
  Speaker 2: How are you getting scammed? Actually? I feel like if
• 49:43
  Speaker 2: you have millions, you have like the best people ever
• 49:45
  Speaker 2: helping you do everything.
• 49:46
  Speaker 1: Like, we have so much money, you need help managing it.
• 49:51
  Speaker 2: That's how Rihanna got scammed his own brother.
• 49:53
  Speaker 1: Yeah, because, like my mom always said, never be too
• 49:56
  Speaker 1: big to sign your own.
• 49:56
  Speaker 2: Checks because they're not paying attention on the ins and outs.
• 49:59
  Speaker 1: Yeah. So now you have somebody whose whole job is
• 50:01
  Speaker 1: to manage your money, which that's dangerous. That's nobody but
• 50:05
  Speaker 1: a con artist wants to manage other people's money. Nobody
• 50:07
  Speaker 1: else gets passionate about other people shit like.
• 50:10
  Speaker 2: Scammers, right, because they're getting something out of that. Yeah,
• 50:13
  Speaker 2: that's a good point.
• 50:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, So I'm like, maybe I could see how maybe
• 50:16
  Speaker 1: this money just kind of like, oh but the fanny
• 50:20
  Speaker 1: Rob was the victim here, And actually at the end
• 50:23
  Speaker 1: of this scam, he says that he's a broken man
• 50:27
  Speaker 1: with just nineteen dollars and seventy five cents in his
• 50:31
  Speaker 1: bank account after a relentless five year Colm.
• 50:35
  Speaker 2: Okay, but at what point do you go, I don't
• 50:37
  Speaker 2: need to be a scuba instructor without that, Like you
• 50:39
  Speaker 2: are down to your last twenty dollars.
• 50:42
  Speaker 1: Rob borrowed from friends, Oh, no, from businesses he brought
• 50:47
  Speaker 1: from his own dive business, which was probably thriving in
• 50:50
  Speaker 1: the US. He sold a family home in the US
• 50:54
  Speaker 1: to help meet Douglas's demands.
• 50:56
  Speaker 2: So okay, So he wasn't a millionaire who was just
• 50:58
  Speaker 2: not paying attention. He was using every resource he could
• 51:01
  Speaker 2: possibly tap into, yeah.
• 51:03
  Speaker 1: To try to make this work. Now I'm thinking, I'm like, Okay,
• 51:06
  Speaker 1: so you're going broke for this. You're selling homes, you're
• 51:09
  Speaker 1: borrowing from friends, you're buying against your own business. But
• 51:12
  Speaker 1: then the Cayman Islands are a real diving hotspot. Yeah,
• 51:16
  Speaker 1: and maybe he was about to have a luxury diving
• 51:19
  Speaker 1: company where you know, all the Kim Kardashians would be
• 51:22
  Speaker 1: floating in the ocean with they silicon booties, diving and
• 51:26
  Speaker 1: seeing tropical fish.
• 51:27
  Speaker 2: I mean, don't you think you have to be a
• 51:28
  Speaker 2: sociopath to like pull, like to scam somebody for five
• 51:31
  Speaker 2: years and take two million dollars in them and you
• 51:33
  Speaker 2: kind of know they don't have it. Yeah, it's like
• 51:35
  Speaker 2: so unfeeling and also like you really truly have.
• 51:38
  Speaker 1: To be a sociopath, because I think I would emotionally
• 51:41
  Speaker 1: get exhausted by having to.
• 51:42
  Speaker 2: Talk to this person at the time and him being like, Okay,
• 51:45
  Speaker 2: I want to find refinish my house. Okay, maybe oh.
• 51:48
  Speaker 1: God, I'm like, yeah, yeah, refinance the house.
• 51:50
  Speaker 2: Like, okay, talk too soon. Just let me know when
• 51:52
  Speaker 2: that's done, send me that money. What was that about
• 51:55
  Speaker 2: your daughter's kiddy on the black market?
• 51:56
  Speaker 1: Okay, let me know what.
• 51:58
  Speaker 2: Happy that you have? You knew ideas, new ways to
• 52:00
  Speaker 2: get money, very clever. Talk to you soon, hang up,
• 52:04
  Speaker 2: Like you have to not give a shit.
• 52:05
  Speaker 1: I would get so annoyed having to constantly like, oh
• 52:09
  Speaker 1: my god, it's work, Hello Nathan, Okay, so so so
• 52:15
  Speaker 1: your family guy, Rob, Now, okay, well, how are you
• 52:17
  Speaker 1: gonna get the money because the government of the kayan
• 52:19
  Speaker 1: I was uh, they said they need it, they need.
• 52:22
  Speaker 2: A million dollars tomorrow. I read this book called The
• 52:25
  Speaker 2: Psychopath Test, which is like all about psychopaths and sociopaths
• 52:28
  Speaker 2: and like how they can manipulate everyone in their lives.
• 52:31
  Speaker 2: It's actually really really good read. But one of the
• 52:34
  Speaker 2: things that that was really interesting about it was that
• 52:36
  Speaker 2: they said, like the like there was a person in
• 52:38
  Speaker 2: it who was like, I feel so bad for the
• 52:40
  Speaker 2: sociopath because they're you know, and because of like their
• 52:44
  Speaker 2: life it's so sad and like all the ways that
• 52:45
  Speaker 2: they're like so mean, they don't realize. And the person
• 52:47
  Speaker 2: writing the book was like, you basically can never feel
• 52:49
  Speaker 2: sad for that person because they feel nothing about you.
• 52:52
  Speaker 2: So like the scammers are getting way with this. They
• 52:53
  Speaker 2: don't give a fuck, they don't care, they feel nothing
• 52:56
  Speaker 2: about that. But I mean, you have to be a
• 52:57
  Speaker 2: sociopath because you'd have guilt. Like if you you had
• 53:00
  Speaker 2: no guilt, you're missing a part of your brain that
• 53:02
  Speaker 2: like tells you to feel bad. And you're just like, oh,
• 53:04
  Speaker 2: I can just manipulate these idiots and giving me whatever
• 53:06
  Speaker 2: I want.
• 53:07
  Speaker 1: And like labor yeah.
• 53:08
  Speaker 2: I mean their lives are really care free because.
• 53:10
  Speaker 1: They don't care. You know, I'm lowkey idiots. I'm lucky, envious.
• 53:16
  Speaker 1: It's I gonna live longer.
• 53:17
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they are.
• 53:18
  Speaker 1: They are I think evil sociopath same thing. Yeah, oh yeah,
• 53:22
  Speaker 1: forty five. I have to become a complete socio Yeah.
• 53:25
  Speaker 2: I want to live for a long time. Just turn
• 53:27
  Speaker 2: off that part of your brain and care about people.
• 53:29
  Speaker 1: Kills you guys. Okay. But yeah, so this poor guy,
• 53:32
  Speaker 1: he ends up with like nineteen dollars. I'm like, who
• 53:34
  Speaker 1: is Nathan's wife? Like, who are his family members? Like?
• 53:37
  Speaker 2: Why are they all going along with it? Like at
• 53:38
  Speaker 2: what point isn't your wife like begging you to stop
• 53:40
  Speaker 2: doing this? Like I would be so mad at my
• 53:43
  Speaker 2: husband if he was just like, Okay, I'm gonna borrow
• 53:45
  Speaker 2: up money from everyone we know, and I'm gonna put
• 53:47
  Speaker 2: our business on the line, and like we're gonna lose everything. Okay,
• 53:50
  Speaker 2: I have nineteen dollars and seventy five cents. So he
• 53:53
  Speaker 2: was like he knew exactly how.
• 53:54
  Speaker 1: Much it was, right, I mean, well, look, do you
• 53:55
  Speaker 1: have bank account? Get that low? You know? Yeah? Oh yeah,
• 53:57
  Speaker 1: isn't it? Yeah? When I was in college. How you
• 54:00
  Speaker 1: used to know if if a penny was deducted to nice.
• 54:03
  Speaker 2: I wrote down, yes, no, and like those gas stations
• 54:06
  Speaker 2: are gonna make it's thirty five cents for the charge.
• 54:08
  Speaker 2: Use your debit card. I'd be like, I'm gonna go.
• 54:10
  Speaker 1: Across the street right ATM right there from my bank,
• 54:14
  Speaker 1: so actually I'm gonna save my thirty five thank you.
• 54:17
  Speaker 2: I used to write down every penny that I spent
• 54:19
  Speaker 2: when I was living in New York because I was
• 54:20
  Speaker 2: like so broken. It was like I wanted to make
• 54:22
  Speaker 2: sure I never overdrafted. So it was like if I
• 54:24
  Speaker 2: bought a bottle of water, I wrote down, but grudgingly
• 54:26
  Speaker 2: wrote down my one dollar that I spent in the
• 54:27
  Speaker 2: bottle of water. I mean, I kept track of it.
• 54:29
  Speaker 1: It's so responsible. Oh my gosh, it was so good
• 54:32
  Speaker 1: to have fun. Anything.
• 54:34
  Speaker 2: You want to plug the podcasts, Yeah, I want to
• 54:37
  Speaker 2: plug my I have too many podcasts. I've raised by TV.
• 54:40
  Speaker 2: I have wild Horses. I have with Special Guess Laura Lapists,
• 54:42
  Speaker 2: I have Threedom. They're all in stitchr Premium. Some of
• 54:44
  Speaker 2: them are on Apple Podcasts. They're all different things, so
• 54:47
  Speaker 2: go check them out, and you know whatever, one strikes
• 54:49
  Speaker 2: your your interests. Those people can't get enough. I mean
• 54:52
  Speaker 2: so many platforms, too many, too many platforms. So find
• 54:56
  Speaker 2: the one that you like and listen to that one.
• 54:57
  Speaker 1: Yes, that's always guys. You can find us at Scam
• 55:00
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• 55:03
  Speaker 1: been scammed, reach out to us, let us know about it.
• 55:06
  Speaker 1: We want to hear it. We'll share it on the
• 55:08
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• 55:12
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• 55:27
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• 55:30
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• 55:34
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• 55:42
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