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Sharri | 2 April · Sharri

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Speaker 1: Live on Sky News.
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Speaker 2: This is Sharry, Thank you, Andrew, Welcome to the show.
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Speaker 2: Steve Price in for Sharffy tonight and I'll be back,
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Speaker 2: of course sat by a normal time for the Friday
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Speaker 2: Night Show on Good Friday tomorrow. Coming up tonight, full
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Speaker 2: coverage of the address from the US President Donald Trump
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Speaker 2: and the appearance at the National Press Club from our
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Speaker 2: own Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi today. But you have to
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Speaker 2: say the launch of Artemis II the Moon mission blew
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Speaker 2: both of them off the page. On the program tonight.
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Speaker 2: Coming up on Sharoo, the Donald Trump Address to the
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Speaker 2: World I think fell a little flat, but the US
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Speaker 2: President has made it very clear nations that rely on
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Speaker 2: the straits of Hormer's for their Middle East oil need
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Speaker 2: to pull their fingers out, pull their weight to keep
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Speaker 2: them open. Former Ambassador to Israel and Liberal Senator Dave
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Speaker 2: Sharma will join us first up an unexpected update on
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Speaker 2: changing gambling ads in Australia and trying in some way
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Speaker 2: to uncouple them from live sport. This bobbed up in
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Speaker 2: the Prime Minister's Press Club address today.
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Speaker 1: I'll get my panel's view on that.
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Speaker 2: It came out of nowhere, really and that American moon
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Speaker 2: mission I mentioned just then Artemist too, that's now in
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Speaker 2: the stage of looping around the Earth to get set
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Speaker 2: for a slingshot to the moon. Brad Tucker joins us
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Speaker 2: for an update. He'll tell us the crucial time tomorrow
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Speaker 2: when that might happen. First up, though two speeches, two
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Speaker 2: leaders who could not be more different, a conservative Donald
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Speaker 2: Trump and a socialist in Anthony Albanezi, speaking within minutes
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Speaker 2: of each other. Our Prime Minister would have been today
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Speaker 2: bruised at the reaction to his three minute embarrassment that
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Speaker 2: was supposed to be an address to the nation last night.
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Speaker 2: He bobbed up at the Canberra Press Club today and
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Speaker 2: tried to repair his reputation. It was better until you
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Speaker 2: delve into the detail. It still fell flat to me
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Speaker 2: in regard to the current fuel crisis, as if Anthony
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Speaker 2: Albanese doesn't really know exactly what to do. He tried
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Speaker 2: to make point this crisis was not like COVID, and
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Speaker 2: all the states were on the same page.
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Speaker 3: While there are significant challenges ahead and common sense changes required,
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Speaker 3: this will not be like COVID, partly because the nature
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Speaker 3: of this global crisis is very different, but also because
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Speaker 3: we've learned from that time and we are deliberately taking
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Speaker 3: a different approach. You can see that with a national
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Speaker 3: Fuel Security Plan adopted by National Cabinet, making sure that
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Speaker 3: leaders are all levels of government and from both sides
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Speaker 3: of politics, are on the same page.
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Speaker 1: Whoops.
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Speaker 2: The only problem with that Western Australia yesterday had already
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Speaker 2: gone Rogan declared a fuel emergency, and in Tasmania today
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Speaker 2: they've declared their own emergencies still in COVID territory. This
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Speaker 2: about how it divided people.
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Speaker 3: Being clear about what we want life to look like
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Speaker 3: here in Australia, even as the global situation comes more challenging,
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Speaker 3: so we do not have a repeat of the social
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Speaker 3: dislocation of COVID, when people's financial stress and anxiety about
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Speaker 3: the world was compounded by being cut off from family
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Speaker 3: and friends and community.
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Speaker 2: He talks about COVID disruption. Well, yes, we were divided,
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Speaker 2: especially those of us living under Dan Andrews and Anastasia Palashee.
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Speaker 2: They labor premiers, Prime Minister. The PM tried to make
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Speaker 2: the case in that speech that the government was pushing
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Speaker 2: ahead with making things in Australia the Australian way, so it's.
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Speaker 3: That principle of a future made in Australia, and it's
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Speaker 3: that theme that will continue to work on how do
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Speaker 3: we deal with these issues.
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Speaker 2: Luckily most Australians don't watch the press cover address. I
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Speaker 2: mean i'd ask him the question, what are we making actually?
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Speaker 2: I mean it's pretty unclear as we still import shiploads
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Speaker 2: of solar panels and winter bines from China while labor
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Speaker 2: tips taxpayers money into places like Whyala. Post speech, the
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Speaker 2: questions didn't get any easier for mister Albin Easy, with
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Speaker 2: Channel seven's Mark Riley wondering what last night was all about?
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Speaker 1: Why no detail in that address last night? Just a
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Speaker 1: group hug.
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Speaker 3: One of the things that's occurred in recent weeks during
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Speaker 3: this global crisis is the amount of misinformation.
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Speaker 4: That's out there.
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Speaker 3: So I took the opportunity to talk directly directly to
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Speaker 3: the nation. You know, we can't wish the world was
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Speaker 3: back so that everyone got their news at six pm
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Speaker 3: or five or seven when they watched TV at night.
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Speaker 2: I could replay that answer fourteen times and we still
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Speaker 2: wouldn't work out what he was saying. I mean, it's
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Speaker 2: a strange response about how people get their news from
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Speaker 2: their phones. That made no sense. With him demanding the
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Speaker 2: primetime minutes last night on Sky and everywhere else, that
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Speaker 2: answer made no sense at all, But cannily he used
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Speaker 2: the fact that his address and the Trump address overlapped
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Speaker 2: each other, so he didn't, when taking questions, really think
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Speaker 2: he could comment on what Trump had said.
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Speaker 3: As much as I trust every journalist in this room,
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Speaker 3: it's a bit hard to comment on President Trump's statement,
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Speaker 3: which was I think done in part while I was
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Speaker 3: sitting up here.
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Speaker 1: Please some facts.
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Speaker 2: The speeches did not overlap, as anyone watching Sky would know. Look,
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Speaker 2: it was better today than his effort last night, but
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Speaker 2: that wouldn't be hard as for President Trump obviously more theatrical.
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Speaker 2: But again we didn't really learn that much more that
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Speaker 2: much new information. Rumors had swirled around before the address
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Speaker 2: that perhaps the President would announce the troops would be
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Speaker 2: on the ground in Iran to try and seize enriched
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Speaker 2: uranium to be used in a bomb. Well, that rumor
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Speaker 2: came from Fox News. But when you think about it,
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Speaker 2: if that's the plan, you wouldn't announce, would you if
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Speaker 2: you were the president until he had actually done it. Now,
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Speaker 2: mister Trump started by again listing the conditions he has
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Speaker 2: left Iran in after weeks of attacks.
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Speaker 5: This finnacular regime has been chanting death to America, death
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Speaker 5: to Israel for forty seven years. For these terrorists to
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Speaker 5: have nuclear weapons would be an intolerable threat. The most
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Speaker 5: violent and thuggish regime on Earth would be free to
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Speaker 5: carry out their campaigns of terror, coercion, conquest, and mass
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Speaker 5: murder from behind a nuclear shield. I will never let
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Speaker 5: that happen.
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Speaker 2: The promise of the President promised that he would actually
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Speaker 2: finish the job. Whatever finish in that context actually means.
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Speaker 5: We think, especially of the thirteen American warriors who have
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Speaker 5: laid down their lives in this fight, their loved one said, please, sir,
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Speaker 5: please finish the job, every one of them. And we
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Speaker 5: are going to finish job, and we're going to finish
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Speaker 5: it very fast. We're getting very close.
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Speaker 6: Then.
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Speaker 2: Probably at the core of this update for Americans and
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Speaker 2: the rest of the world, his view on who should
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Speaker 2: be involved in keeping the straits of Hormos open.
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Speaker 5: The countries of the world that do receive oil through
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Speaker 5: the hormone strait must take care of that passage. They
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Speaker 5: must cherish it. Build up some delayed courage, should have
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Speaker 5: done it before, should have done it with us, as
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Speaker 5: we asked, go to the street and just take it.
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Speaker 2: And in summary, President Trump hinted at a two to
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Speaker 2: three week final obliteration of Iran and threatening to bomb
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Speaker 2: them back to the Stone Age.
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Speaker 5: We're going to hit them extremely hard over the next
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Speaker 5: two to three weeks. We're going to bring them back
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Speaker 5: to the stone ages where they belong.
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Speaker 2: And then, finally, in a clear message to his margabaseback
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Speaker 2: in America, not happy with this foreign war, he rolled
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Speaker 2: out some stats.
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Speaker 5: American involvement in World War One lasted one year, seven
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Speaker 5: months and five days. World War two lasted for three years,
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Speaker 5: eight months and twenty five days. The Korean War lasted
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Speaker 5: for three years, one month, and two days. The Vietnam
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Speaker 5: War lasted for nineteen years, five months, and twenty nine days.
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Speaker 5: Iraq went on for eight years, eight months and twenty
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Speaker 5: eight days. We are in this military operation, so powerful,
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Speaker 5: so brilliant, against one of the most powerful countries for
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Speaker 5: thirty two days.
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Speaker 1: In other words, we're not going to be there for
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Speaker 1: a long time. Two speeches, two people.
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Speaker 2: It couldn't be any more different politically and in personality.
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Speaker 2: You'd have to say, a nervous world and a nervous
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Speaker 2: Australia today not really any better informed than we were
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Speaker 2: last night. Let's deep dive further into exactly what this
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Speaker 2: update from the US President means for the region and
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Speaker 2: the world. Senator Dave Sharma was as straight as ambassador
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Speaker 2: to Israel and knows the region as well as anyone Senator.
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Speaker 2: Welcome funny. I think people were expecting something a little
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Speaker 2: more defining from President Trump, but as we know, he
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Speaker 2: is a master negotiator. What do you think he's up to.
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Speaker 4: Look, I think part of his message was to reassure
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Speaker 4: and communicate directly to the American public. I mean, I
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Speaker 4: think bear in mind they were taken by surprise. I
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Speaker 4: think by the start of this conflict. He made a
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Speaker 4: brief statement when hostilities got under way a little over
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Speaker 4: a month ago, but he hasn't really sat down and
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Speaker 4: in detail explained the rationale for this conflict to his
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Speaker 4: own people, and I think this was an opportunity to
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Speaker 4: do that. I think it was also an opportunity to
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Speaker 4: reassure financial and energy markets that the conflict has a
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Speaker 4: limited life. But I think it was also designed to
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Speaker 4: communicate to the Iranian regime that won the US Romanes
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Speaker 4: committed to ensuring they can navigate a new their weapon,
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Speaker 4: and Trump foreshadowed that he would come back if need be.
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Speaker 4: And two by taking away some of that leverage over
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Speaker 4: the Strait of Hormuz that the Iranians has been exerting.
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Speaker 4: By saying, Trump effectively is saying, look, it's not my problem.
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Speaker 4: I think he's attempting to get a little more leverage
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Speaker 4: with the Uranians in these diplomatic negotiations that are underway.
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Speaker 1: Senator, talk to me about the Straits of Hormus.
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Speaker 2: I mean, I want to play just again his remarks
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Speaker 2: about those who use it for oil deliveries, including ourselves
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Speaker 2: of course, and our Asian partners who refine all of
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Speaker 2: our petrol, diesel, and avgas. Here's what he said about
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Speaker 2: what they should do.
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Speaker 5: The countries of the world that do receive oil through
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Speaker 5: the Hormone Street must take care of that passage. They
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Speaker 5: must cherish it, build up some delayed courage. Should have
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Speaker 5: done it before, should have done it with us, as
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Speaker 5: we asked, go to the street and just take it.
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Speaker 1: Senator.
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Speaker 2: I was just to watch with Andrew Bolder, former at
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Speaker 2: US Admiral talking about if the coalition has to go
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Speaker 2: into the hall MOUs straight and cleared of minds, and
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Speaker 2: without American assistance, it's a you know, six seven eight
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Speaker 2: week long process that's going to leave us in a
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Speaker 2: very grim position, isn't it.
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Speaker 4: Look will obviously look, you know, we all know these figures. Now,
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Speaker 4: seventeen to twenty percent of the world's seaborn crude oil
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Speaker 4: and LNG comes out and through the Straight of Horn moves.
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Speaker 4: The countries with the biggest interest in getting this open,
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Speaker 4: of the countries on the landward side of the Straight
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Speaker 4: of Horn moves, if you like, that's Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Iraq,
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Speaker 4: the UAE and Iran as well. They're the ones in Bahrain.
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Speaker 4: They export their oil through the strata or moves to
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Speaker 4: world markets and their gas. So they're the countries with
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Speaker 4: the biggest interest in getting this open. They will want
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Speaker 4: to see it open. Whether that is achieved militarily or
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Speaker 4: I think in more likelihood it's likely be achieved diplomatically
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Speaker 4: remains to be seen. But just quite what that diplomatic
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Speaker 4: settlement looks like, I think we need to wait for
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Speaker 4: further details. I noticed Australia's participating in a meeting today
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Speaker 4: UK time with other countries who have a shame interest
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Speaker 4: where you do to see the Strait of Hormos reopening.
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Speaker 4: I'm keen to see what comes out of that one
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Speaker 4: later today.
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Speaker 2: Going back to your diplomat times, I mean it would
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Speaker 2: have been common conversation. I would have thought whenever a
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Speaker 2: conflict in the Middle East came up, that was a
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Speaker 2: major pinch point that could cause major global economic damage
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Speaker 2: if it was shut.
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Speaker 1: Yeah.
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Speaker 4: Look, certainly in the Middle East, everyone knows the Bubble Manda,
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Speaker 4: which is a strait that leads into the Red Sea,
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Speaker 4: and then the Straight of Horn Moves which leads into
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Speaker 4: the Gulf. Everyone new and knows that these are two
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Speaker 4: critical choke points for the region, just like the Malacca
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Speaker 4: Strait is in our region, or the Taiwan Straight Key
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Speaker 4: international waterways through which is a huge amount of energy
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Speaker 4: traffic flows. And look, anyone who is ever gaming out
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Speaker 4: any sort of conflict or increase in hostilities in the
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Speaker 4: region would always be factoring in what would Iran do,
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Speaker 4: What could Iran do to interrupt commercial shipping in the
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Speaker 4: state of homers And this has been a wargame in action.
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Speaker 2: Now, as you said, this speech was largely directed at
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Speaker 2: the American publican to his Marga base. I mean, there
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Speaker 2: were not a lot of mentions of Israel. So I
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Speaker 2: suppose he's trying to, in a sense, distance himself a
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Speaker 2: little bit from this idea that he's doing the bidding
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Speaker 2: of Benjamin nt Nyahu.
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Speaker 4: Look, I think obviously the United States and Israel share
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Speaker 4: an objective here, but it's effectively two countries with a
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Speaker 4: shared objective operating in support of a shared goal. But
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Speaker 4: they do have quite different interests here, and I think
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Speaker 4: they also have quite different political constituencies.
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Speaker 1: In Israel.
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Speaker 4: This war is overwhelmingly popular in the United States.
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Speaker 1: It's not.
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Speaker 4: The United States, because of its financial and economic center,
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Speaker 4: is much more susceptible to and responsible to global financial
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Speaker 4: and economic markets. Israel as a small economy that is
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Speaker 4: not particularly sensitive to global oil prices. So I think
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Speaker 4: they've got different political and strategic lenses through which they're
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Speaker 4: approaching this conflict. I wouldn't expect that if the US
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Speaker 4: ceases its operations at Israel would continue for much longer.
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Speaker 4: But I would say that the clock that's ticking in
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Speaker 4: Tel Aviv is ticking more slowly than it is in Washington.
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Speaker 2: We all sat back last night waiting for the Prime
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Speaker 2: Minister to deliver his seven pm Australian Eis in summertime
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Speaker 2: speech lasted three minutes and a bit. I think we
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Speaker 2: were pretty underwhelmed. Were you expecting that there would be
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Speaker 2: something more substantial out of that chat with the nation?
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Speaker 1: Absolutely?
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Speaker 4: I mean I'm not the only person who's said this,
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Speaker 4: but it could have been a statement of Parliament, could
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Speaker 4: have been an answer to a question in question time,
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Speaker 4: it could have been a press conference. But to be
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Speaker 4: geared up for a seven pm primetime addressed to the nation,
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Speaker 4: which is not a common thing in Australian political analysts.
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Speaker 4: I think people expected something considerably more substantial, not just
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Speaker 4: clearing up misinformation and wishing everyone a good Easter. I
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Speaker 4: think people are entitled to know what steps is the
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Speaker 4: government taking now in the immediate term, but also what
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Speaker 4: plans does it have for the medium and longer term
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Speaker 4: to make sure that our energy security and energy resilience
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Speaker 4: is not as vulnerable as it has been proven to
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Speaker 4: be throughout this crisis.
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Speaker 2: And you're an observer of world events, I mean, if
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Speaker 2: the Chinese were to decide to enact what they would
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Speaker 2: like to do, and that is take over Taiwan. I
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Speaker 2: mean all of our fuel is coming through the South
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Speaker 2: China Sea and some of them from Singapore, but those
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Speaker 2: shipping lanes could be shut down very very quickly, and
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Speaker 2: all of those Asian customers that we have where we
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Speaker 2: buy our refined petrol from just going to disappear. That
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Speaker 2: would make this look quite minor.
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Speaker 4: That would that would immediately affect us because you know
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Speaker 4: the Strada holl moves affects us through an indirect way,
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Speaker 4: the passage of oil to Southeast Asia refiners from which
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Speaker 4: we get ours. But if our own sea lanes of
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Speaker 4: trading lanes are interrupted, that would be massive. And Australia
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Speaker 4: as a country is highly dependent on liquid fuels and
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Speaker 4: we're highly dependent on important liquid fuels. And I think
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Speaker 4: after what we've seen the world go through over the
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Speaker 4: last five or six years, I don't think we can
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Speaker 4: make the same assumptions about the maintenance of those supply
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Speaker 4: chains that we would have done in the nineteen nineties
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Speaker 4: all the early two thousands. It's a different world. Australian
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Speaker 4: needs to have a different energy security posture.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, well said absolutely.
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Speaker 2: Thank you very much for your time, Senator Sena, the
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Speaker 2: data Shama there now the Prime Minister Albanezi. We use
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Speaker 2: the National Press Club today, as I said at the
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Speaker 2: start of the program, to frame the Middle East War
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Speaker 2: and the Strait of Homo's closure as a direct hit
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Speaker 2: on Australia's cost of living, while also taking a shot
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Speaker 2: at the Liberals for there in action. Joining me now
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Speaker 2: is the Institute of Public Affairs chief economist Adam Crichton
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Speaker 2: and Sky News host cayleb Bond. Caleb, you are a
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Speaker 2: student of good speeches. Rate the three minutes of the
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Speaker 2: Prime Minister last night for me out of.
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Speaker 7: Ten zero, which is about as much as we learned
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Speaker 7: from it as well. I mean, seriously, I think it
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Speaker 7: was probably put correctly by Andrew Bolt last night, our colleague,
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Speaker 7: when he said it was the Prime Minister getting himself
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Speaker 7: three minutes of free advertising on every radio station and
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Speaker 7: television station in the country. It was nothing more than that.
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Speaker 7: There was nothing in it that you learned, and to
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Speaker 7: be perfectly frank, there was nothing that really you learned
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Speaker 7: from Angus Taylor's address this evening, nor was there anything
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Speaker 7: that we really learned from Donald's Trump's address today either.
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Speaker 7: It's seemingly leaders or want to be leaders in some cases,
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Speaker 7: trying to reassure people. But we don't need reassurance at
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Speaker 7: this time. We need answer, We need solutions. We need
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Speaker 7: to be told that there is a plan that we're
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Speaker 7: going to have fuel security, that we're going to take
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Speaker 7: some responsibility and do something to secure our fuel supplies.
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Speaker 1: In this country.
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Speaker 7: And instead we're told, yeah, look, nothing to worry about, folks.
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Speaker 7: Maybe take the bus sometime if you feel you could
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Speaker 7: do it, Have a nice Easter, and I'll talk to
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Speaker 7: you next week. Well, when he talks to us next week,
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Speaker 7: I suspect it won't be so rosy as it was
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Speaker 7: last night. But it was pointless, absolutely.
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Speaker 1: Pointless, Adam.
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Speaker 2: I mean, it seemed to me to be pole driven
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Speaker 2: political posturing. Really a speech that he can refer to
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Speaker 2: when he goes back to it and saying, look, I
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Speaker 2: was a steady hand before easter, and I told people
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Speaker 2: not to panic, and we weren't in a position where
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Speaker 2: we had to have petrol rationing. But when it ultimately happens,
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Speaker 2: he can say, well, I didn't want to panic people
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Speaker 2: at the time.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, certainly, Steve.
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Speaker 8: Look, I think all the criticism is very warranted and
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Speaker 8: I think it's all been said, so just to focus
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Speaker 8: on the economics Assat, I mean, I can't help it
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Speaker 8: say just how extraordinary the lack of understanding is. On
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Speaker 8: the one hand, you've got the Prime Minister saying to
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Speaker 8: use fuel sparingly, use public transport, et cetera. And then
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Speaker 8: on the other hand, of course you've you know, he's
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Speaker 8: cut the price of fuel quite significantly, so of course
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Speaker 8: people will buy more. I mean, there aren't too many
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Speaker 8: iron laws of economics, but that is certainly one of them.
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Speaker 8: So you know, it seems very muddle headed to me.
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Speaker 8: And just as Kayleb was saying, I think, you know,
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Speaker 8: we're going to have fuel rationing next week, and so
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Speaker 8: is there going to be another announcement to the nation
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Speaker 8: another seven BM broadcast.
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Speaker 1: Surely they probably.
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Speaker 8: Will if there is rationing, And so I just think
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Speaker 8: the whole enterprise is actually not even going to work.
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Speaker 8: Politically for the Prime Minister and the Labor Party, I
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Speaker 8: think they look rather silly. If you talk to ordinary people,
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Speaker 8: I think they know they wonder what all that was about.
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Speaker 1: Cayleb.
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Speaker 2: The XI is kicked in, and the petrol price, the
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Speaker 2: retail price at least of diesel and unleaded petrol has
19:53
Speaker 2: gone down. I suspect that the government's probably leant fairly
19:57
Speaker 2: heavily on. I bought a shell today and I looked
20:00
Speaker 2: at BP signs and I looked at ampole signs. I
20:03
Speaker 2: think they've been lent on fairly heavily. Because those digital
20:06
Speaker 2: boards out the front of all of Australia's petrol stations
20:09
Speaker 2: had been something becomes screens of horror for many people
20:13
Speaker 2: as they drove past going three dollars fifty for diesel.
20:16
Speaker 7: Well, I did make the joke last night that perhaps
20:19
Speaker 7: when the Prime Minister spoke it was because it was
20:21
Speaker 7: April Fuels Day. And to be fair, the actual decrease
20:27
Speaker 7: in the petrol price thanks to a decrease in the
20:30
Speaker 7: excise shouldn't come in for a couple of weeks because
20:33
Speaker 7: we're dealing with fuel that's already in the system. But
20:36
Speaker 7: it would seem that there has already been a small decrease,
20:39
Speaker 7: which I'm sure is welcome to a lot of people,
20:41
Speaker 7: but it doesn't fix the fundamental problem. Sure it makes
20:45
Speaker 7: it slightly more affordable, but that the biggest problem we
20:48
Speaker 7: have is one of supply. That is why the price
20:52
Speaker 7: is currently so high because we are reliant on the
20:55
Speaker 7: whims of the market overseas, and we've had this outside
20:59
Speaker 7: of time of crisis like this. It was about three
21:03
Speaker 7: years ago, I think. And it's not the first time
21:05
Speaker 7: they've done it. It's not the last time they've done it.
21:06
Speaker 7: But Opek, which is the oil producing countries in the
21:11
Speaker 7: Middle East, which has a stranglehold on a lot of
21:14
Speaker 7: the market, turned around and said, well, we are going
21:17
Speaker 7: to artificially decrease that the barrels of oil that we're
21:20
Speaker 7: sending out, which then increases the price of oil and
21:23
Speaker 7: so goes up the price of petrol. They can manipulate
21:26
Speaker 7: the market any time. The reason petrol is so expensive
21:29
Speaker 7: in Australia is because we don't have enough supply. And
21:34
Speaker 7: I don't know whether you heard James actually talking to
21:36
Speaker 7: Peter Kreedlin earlier tonight, but he's been over in the
21:39
Speaker 7: US and they've had very little change in their petrol
21:42
Speaker 7: in their petrol prices over there. So it's not about
21:45
Speaker 7: excise really, it's not about tax, it's about supply.
21:48
Speaker 1: And that's the problem with not fixing Adam.
21:51
Speaker 2: You're the economists. What's the excise cut going to do?
21:53
Speaker 2: To inflation.
21:57
Speaker 8: Well, look, of course it's going to increase the federal
21:59
Speaker 8: budget deficit, which we all know puts pressure on inflation.
22:02
Speaker 8: I knowe there hasn't been any announcement to cut spending
22:05
Speaker 8: anywhere else in the federal government. I think it's something
22:07
Speaker 8: like two and a half billion the cost to tax
22:10
Speaker 8: revenue for three months. It's all about politics really, you know,
22:15
Speaker 8: just like the billion dollar loans that the government's giving out,
22:17
Speaker 8: the cheap loans. I mean, you know, it's not really
22:20
Speaker 8: going to change anything too much. Of course it's popular,
22:23
Speaker 8: but you know, it's just a reminder to me that
22:25
Speaker 8: the forthcoming budget in May is not going to be
22:28
Speaker 8: the one that that Anthony ALBERNIZI talks about the reforming budget,
22:31
Speaker 8: the productivity budget. It's it's just going to be increased
22:35
Speaker 8: spending and increased inflation.
22:38
Speaker 9: Yeah.
22:38
Speaker 2: The nine papers are again reporting tonight that there will
22:40
Speaker 2: be capital gains tax changes, and I suspect we know
22:43
Speaker 2: that's probably going to be the case. Now, Caleb, I'm
22:47
Speaker 2: not a gambler, but we all know that you are
22:49
Speaker 2: a punter. You love the punting. The Prime Minister today
22:52
Speaker 2: in the middle of this speech where we were talking
22:54
Speaker 2: about war and Petrol suddenly drop these changes at his
22:59
Speaker 2: speech today in regard to gambling ads, so TV ads
23:05
Speaker 2: three TV ads an our maximum, No radio gambling ads
23:08
Speaker 2: at school times. No celebrity This is the one that
23:11
Speaker 2: gets me. No celebrities or athletes are allowed to appear
23:14
Speaker 2: in gambling ads. No gambling ads on social ads, limited
23:20
Speaker 2: only to adults. And you can't even have a gambling
23:23
Speaker 2: company name on your jersey if you're playing Rugby League
23:26
Speaker 2: or AFL, Caleb, that's going to send a whole bunch
23:30
Speaker 2: of clubs broke. The only money they have for marketing
23:34
Speaker 2: is gambling.
23:34
Speaker 7: Ads, indeed, and that may be a structural issue that
23:38
Speaker 7: sporting clubs have to deal with as well. You know,
23:41
Speaker 7: you shouldn't be too reliant on any one source of revenue.
23:43
Speaker 7: I suppose, but I think this is a load of codswallop.
23:48
Speaker 7: The celebrity stuff. How do you define what a celebrity
23:50
Speaker 7: actually is? I mean, do we have to do some
23:52
Speaker 7: sort of survey to work out at which point someone
23:55
Speaker 7: is recognizable enough that they're no longer allowed to appear
23:59
Speaker 7: in an adverse for a gambling company. I don't know.
24:04
Speaker 7: It is populist, and I'm sure it will be popular
24:07
Speaker 7: with quite a number of people. But that's the reason
24:10
Speaker 7: that the government talks about sports beating, because sports betting
24:12
Speaker 7: is not as evil as the government and many other
24:15
Speaker 7: people would like us to think it is. You've only
24:18
Speaker 7: got to go and look at the numbers. And I'll
24:19
Speaker 7: go through some of this time on the Late Debate,
24:21
Speaker 7: and i'll go through it tomorrow evening on the Bond Report,
24:24
Speaker 7: which is followed by a good program hosted by Steve Price.
24:27
Speaker 7: So I hope you'll all be there for that tomorrow evening.
24:31
Speaker 7: But if you look at the amount of money that
24:32
Speaker 7: is gambled in this country twenty three twenty four, it
24:36
Speaker 7: was about thirty two billion dollars, you look at the
24:39
Speaker 7: things people gamble on. The most popular form of gambling
24:42
Speaker 7: is lotteries, followed by scratches, followed by Pokey's, followed by racing,
24:46
Speaker 7: followed by sports betting in fifth, and then in comes Keino.
24:50
Speaker 7: Now Pokey's, which is third on that list, higher more
24:53
Speaker 7: popular than racing and sports betting, but it's third, buttes
25:00
Speaker 7: more than half of the entire money that is gambled
25:04
Speaker 7: in this country, and about double what is gambled on
25:08
Speaker 7: sports and racing. Combined. So if you want to talk
25:11
Speaker 7: about the social evils of gambling, Pokey's far and away
25:16
Speaker 7: are the problem. But we're talking about sports betting because
25:19
Speaker 7: it's visible and that's what they think they can get
25:21
Speaker 7: votes out of. It's not actually about fixing the losses
25:25
Speaker 7: that people incur and the damage that is caused by gambling.
25:28
Speaker 7: Otherwise they'd be talking about pokes instead.
25:31
Speaker 2: Adam, I mean this has got me thinking to know
25:33
Speaker 2: that this has got a bit of the tobacco xise
25:36
Speaker 2: written all over. I mean smoking cigarettes, Caleb is a
25:41
Speaker 2: legal product, you're allowed to smoke, and grown adult if
25:45
Speaker 2: they want to blow up their wages, should be able
25:48
Speaker 2: to gamble. So they're going to bring in these changes
25:51
Speaker 2: and I don't think they've really thought through what the
25:54
Speaker 2: impact on the social fabric of Australia is actually going
25:57
Speaker 2: to be.
25:58
Speaker 1: We're a free country.
25:59
Speaker 2: If you want to go down to the pub and
26:01
Speaker 2: have a bed on the on the sports bed on
26:04
Speaker 2: the on who's going to kick the first goal or
26:06
Speaker 2: has the first try? And a got rugby league game,
26:08
Speaker 2: why shouldn't you be able to do that?
26:11
Speaker 1: That's certainly true.
26:12
Speaker 8: Look, I think rates of gambling don't vary that greatly
26:15
Speaker 8: across Western countries, especially on sport, and there are various
26:19
Speaker 8: rules on advertising, so I just don't think it makes
26:22
Speaker 8: a huge difference. What it does, of course hurt is
26:25
Speaker 8: the broadcasters and the TV network, So of course there's
26:27
Speaker 8: a downstream effect. If you cut that big source of revenue,
26:30
Speaker 8: you're going to have worse quality programming, which is not great.
26:34
Speaker 8: So look, I think it is politics, just like Caleb said,
26:36
Speaker 8: and also as he said, he made a very good
26:38
Speaker 8: point on Pokey's. You know, where's the focus on Pokey's.
26:41
Speaker 8: You know, I think this is just an attack on
26:43
Speaker 8: sports gambling, sports betting. It's certainly not something I do.
26:46
Speaker 8: I don't know much about it, but as you say,
26:49
Speaker 8: it's you know, it's part of Australian culture. Indeed, it's
26:51
Speaker 8: part of Western culture, and I don't think you're going
26:53
Speaker 8: to change that by these you know, these harmful, these
26:55
Speaker 8: harmful tweaks to advertising.
26:58
Speaker 2: Tayler Adam, great to have you with his Thanks very
27:00
Speaker 2: much still to come Donald Trump. He's now threatened to
27:03
Speaker 2: hit Iran's oil reserves with no end date for the
27:06
Speaker 2: war in sight. I'll catch up with former Major General
27:09
Speaker 2: Mick Ryan.
27:10
Speaker 1: He'll join me.
27:11
Speaker 2: Live straight after the break, Welcome back to the Prices
27:17
Speaker 2: with you the Great Paul Murray coming up at the
27:18
Speaker 2: top of the hour. Now, in this primetime address to
27:21
Speaker 2: the nation today, the President Donald Trump, he offered no
27:25
Speaker 2: end date for the war, which I guess he probably can't.
27:28
Speaker 2: And he then warned Aroun if there's no deal, the
27:31
Speaker 2: US could hit energy infrastructure, and I think he talked
27:34
Speaker 2: about power stations and he even talked about their oil reserves.
27:38
Speaker 2: He did make the point that he would not hit them.
27:40
Speaker 5: Here's the president, we have orays on key targets. If
27:44
Speaker 5: there is no deal, we are going to hit each
27:47
Speaker 5: and every one of their electric generating plans very hard
27:51
Speaker 5: and probably simultaneously. We have not hit their oil, even
27:55
Speaker 5: though that's the easiest target of all because it would
27:59
Speaker 5: not give them a small chance of survival or rebuilding.
28:04
Speaker 5: But we could hit it and it would be gone.
28:07
Speaker 2: Former Australian Major General Mick Ryan joins me. Now, Donald
28:11
Speaker 2: Trump's now openly threatening Iran's energy infrastructure. I mean, what
28:16
Speaker 2: does that tell you about where this war might go next?
28:19
Speaker 9: Well, what it tells me is that the US president
28:23
Speaker 9: actually doesn't understand what kind of war he's in and
28:26
Speaker 9: he doesn't have a theory of victory. America's fighting a
28:29
Speaker 9: war against Irene's military, Iran is fighting an economic war,
28:33
Speaker 9: and the two aren't really aligning. And Trump did not
28:37
Speaker 9: provide a vision today of how this war might end.
28:41
Speaker 9: He said operations might go for two to three more weeks,
28:43
Speaker 9: but they could easily go much longer than that.
28:47
Speaker 2: As a former senior military person, I mean, is Donald
28:51
Speaker 2: Trump really running the war or is it being run
28:54
Speaker 2: by the top end of the Pentagon? And Pete Hesketh,
28:57
Speaker 2: I mean, how does that How would that work in practice?
29:00
Speaker 2: I mean, I presume Donald Trump's not picking the phone
29:02
Speaker 2: up every five minutes saying go and take out their
29:05
Speaker 2: power plants.
29:08
Speaker 9: No, I think this is really being run by the
29:10
Speaker 9: combatant commander, who is atml Cooper in charge of central Command.
29:14
Speaker 9: That's how these kind of things normally work. And then
29:17
Speaker 9: his chain of command runs through the Secretary of Defense
29:20
Speaker 9: Hexath up to the President of the United States. So
29:23
Speaker 9: that's a pretty short chain of command in these kind
29:26
Speaker 9: of things. I have a sense that the President is
29:29
Speaker 9: probably keeping a very close eye on this, just as
29:32
Speaker 9: he's keeping a close eye on the midterm elections. At
29:34
Speaker 9: the end of the year.
29:37
Speaker 2: I was watching Andrew Bold earlier and he had an
29:40
Speaker 2: ex US admiral who's had large experience through that body
29:45
Speaker 2: of water, the Straits of a mus and Andrew asked
29:48
Speaker 2: him about you know, if you had to get in
29:50
Speaker 2: there as a coalition without the US and clear out
29:54
Speaker 2: what are probably laid minds that that operation explained it
29:59
Speaker 2: in some detail, would take somewhere between you know, six
30:02
Speaker 2: and eight weeks, and they haven't even started yet. That
30:06
Speaker 2: really does put tremendous pressure on our oil supplies, doesn't it.
30:11
Speaker 9: Well, that's right, and that's assuming there's an end to
30:13
Speaker 9: the war. They'd have to then go in and clear
30:15
Speaker 9: the minds and these kind of things. And if it
30:18
Speaker 9: was as easy as as Trump said, the US Navy
30:21
Speaker 9: would be in there right now. This is a very
30:23
Speaker 9: complex task. It's not just about naval operations. It's about
30:27
Speaker 9: clearing the Uranian shoreline for hundreds of kilometers to ensure
30:30
Speaker 9: they can't launch missiles from Iran into the Gulf.
30:36
Speaker 2: When the President says, you know, we've destroyed their navy,
30:39
Speaker 2: we've destroyed their air force, we've killed off their leadership,
30:43
Speaker 2: it's hard to it's hard to work out how accurate
30:46
Speaker 2: that might or might not be. I mean, I'm sure
30:48
Speaker 2: they've done tremendous damage. But when you see those pictures
30:52
Speaker 2: of the underground tunnels that the Uranians have full of
30:55
Speaker 2: rockets and drones, you can see that they've been preparing
30:58
Speaker 2: for this for a very long time, yees, Steve.
31:01
Speaker 9: They've been preparing for this for nearly five decades. They've
31:04
Speaker 9: always known that there would be some kind of ultimate
31:07
Speaker 9: battle with what they call the Evil Americans. This is it,
31:12
Speaker 9: and at the end of the day, it appears America's
31:15
Speaker 9: probably destroyed about a third to a half a ram's
31:17
Speaker 9: missile arsenal at this point in time. And as we
31:21
Speaker 9: say in the military, the enemy always gets a vote.
31:23
Speaker 9: You cannot never predict what they're going to do. I mean,
31:26
Speaker 9: this is going to be a tough fight for some
31:28
Speaker 9: time to come.
31:30
Speaker 2: When you see pictures of units like the eighty second
31:34
Speaker 2: Airborne being sent to the Middle East, and you've got
31:38
Speaker 2: a whole I think it's you know, several thousand ground
31:42
Speaker 2: troops there now tens of thousands in fact, What does
31:47
Speaker 2: that say about the potential of a ground conflict? Are
31:51
Speaker 2: they there to scare the Iranians or are they there
31:56
Speaker 2: tactically to be used if in the last resort they
31:59
Speaker 2: have to.
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Speaker 6: Well, it's a bit of both.
32:02
Speaker 9: I mean, you can use air forces and navies to
32:04
Speaker 9: shape the will of an enemy, but ultimately only ground
32:07
Speaker 9: forces going in on the ground can break the will
32:11
Speaker 9: of an enemy. So Trump is desperately hoping he doesn't
32:15
Speaker 9: have to send in ground forces because it's pretty unpredictable
32:19
Speaker 9: the kind of circumstances they might face and the kind
32:21
Speaker 9: of casualties they might take. I think at the moment,
32:24
Speaker 9: their preference would be to use them as a negotiating tool, saying,
32:28
Speaker 9: don't let us unleash our ground forces on you.
32:33
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's one thing to go into Gaza, isn't it.
32:35
Speaker 2: And it's one thing to go into southern Lebanon. But
32:37
Speaker 2: we're talking about a huge country in terms of geography.
32:43
Speaker 2: It's massive, and as a ninety five million population, this
32:46
Speaker 2: is a much bigger challenge than even Iraq and in
32:52
Speaker 2: a sense Afghanistan, because the population there's not as big.
32:57
Speaker 9: Well, you've also got the either further complicated that any
33:01
Speaker 9: ground forces would not be going in as part of
33:03
Speaker 9: a regime change operation like we did in Iraq and Afghanistan.
33:08
Speaker 9: So you would have all ninety five million Iranians either
33:11
Speaker 9: pointing the direction where they are or fighting against them.
33:14
Speaker 9: It would be a very tough campaign, even if they
33:17
Speaker 9: have overwhelming strength in the air.
33:21
Speaker 2: What are your military contexts telling you about the possibility
33:25
Speaker 2: that with this coalition to open the straits that we
33:28
Speaker 2: might need to send it would seem obvious some sort
33:31
Speaker 2: of naval assistance. Do we have such assistance to put
33:36
Speaker 2: into the field if we need.
33:38
Speaker 9: To, Well, the Australian Navy's done these kind of missions before.
33:42
Speaker 9: It does have a couple of mind sweepers there, it
33:44
Speaker 9: does have frigates, and it does have people who are
33:47
Speaker 9: very good with high level command and control. So if
33:50
Speaker 9: it was a high priority for the government, I'm sure
33:52
Speaker 9: they could find naval assets to go there. But I
33:56
Speaker 9: get the sense at the moment the Australian government feels
33:58
Speaker 9: like an observer in a bar fight where the person
34:01
Speaker 9: who started the fight has left the bar and said
34:03
Speaker 9: over his shoulder, over to you to fix it.
34:07
Speaker 2: I love that language, beautifully, said Mick. Thanks for joining
34:09
Speaker 2: us tonight. I appreciate it very much. Still to come,
34:12
Speaker 2: What about this NASA's biggest moon mission in decades? Is
34:15
Speaker 2: actually underway. Dr Brad Tucker will join me live on
34:19
Speaker 2: what happens next and sadly, what could go wrong?
34:26
Speaker 1: Welcome back.
34:27
Speaker 2: I must say this morning I stood up glued to
34:29
Speaker 2: the television watching the launch of Artemis two on sky
34:33
Speaker 2: with Laura Jays blasting off from the Kennedy Space Center,
34:37
Speaker 2: four astronauts on board, going three hundred and eighty four
34:41
Speaker 2: thousand kilometers from Earth toward the Moon, round the back,
34:44
Speaker 2: and back home again a ten day mission. It was
34:48
Speaker 2: just fascinating to watch it. The power out of those
34:50
Speaker 2: rockets was unbelievable. Now this apparently will be the furthest
34:55
Speaker 2: in space that humans have ever traveled. Commander read Weisman
34:59
Speaker 2: talked about a beautiful moon rose and the pitches are
35:02
Speaker 2: literally out of this world.
35:04
Speaker 8: Three two one booster, ignition and lift off. The crew
35:11
Speaker 8: of Artemis two now bound for the Moon.
35:15
Speaker 1: Huge moment, Fanessa.
35:16
Speaker 2: After years of Delisa and Sippeck's the President Donald Trump,
35:20
Speaker 2: of course, he congratulated all of them in his national
35:23
Speaker 2: addresses today.
35:25
Speaker 5: Let me begin by congratulating the team at NASA and
35:30
Speaker 5: our brave astronauts on the successful launch of Artifists two.
35:34
Speaker 5: It was quite something. It would be traveling further than
35:38
Speaker 5: any manned rocket has ever flown and will very substantially
35:42
Speaker 5: pass the Moon, go around it, and come back home
35:46
Speaker 5: from a distance that has never been done before. It's
35:50
Speaker 5: amazing they are on the way, and God bless them.
35:54
Speaker 5: These are brave people.
35:57
Speaker 2: It is amazing joining me now, I am you astro
36:00
Speaker 2: and cosmologist doctor Brad Tucker, who not surprisingly was beside
36:05
Speaker 2: himself on Sky News with Laura Jays this morning. Hey,
36:10
Speaker 2: you couldn't take your eyes off, that could your It
36:12
Speaker 2: was incredible.
36:13
Speaker 6: Look, that's the thing and I think that's the cool
36:15
Speaker 6: thing about this nowadays is we have all that vision
36:18
Speaker 6: and we get all the imagery and the Dana. You
36:21
Speaker 6: still can log on and see what's going on on
36:24
Speaker 6: the capsule and where it is, and that I think
36:27
Speaker 6: is as part of the excitement, not just that we've
36:31
Speaker 6: now had a new generation of people, right because there's
36:33
Speaker 6: a generation of people too now that haven't experienced the mood,
36:36
Speaker 6: but also getting to experience it and this you know,
36:40
Speaker 6: we've still seeing this green vision on the screen now.
36:43
Speaker 1: It really connects you to that place, which is cool.
36:47
Speaker 2: I've seen Apollo eleven in the Smithsonian in Washington, and
36:52
Speaker 2: then I look at Artemis two. I mean, the technology
36:55
Speaker 2: has advanced so much it makes you ask yourself, how
36:59
Speaker 2: the hell did that? I'm strong and those boys get
37:02
Speaker 2: there in that thing that I saw, which looked like
37:05
Speaker 2: a banged up commodore.
37:08
Speaker 6: A bang up commodore is probably a polite way of
37:11
Speaker 6: saying it, right, I mean, the thing is, you know,
37:14
Speaker 6: it's it's It does make you reflect on how big
37:18
Speaker 6: of an advancement it was in the sixties, and how
37:21
Speaker 6: dedicated to getting there in the sixties NASA and the
37:24
Speaker 6: US government was, you know. And the fact of the
37:27
Speaker 6: matter is they sent a huge amount of resources to
37:31
Speaker 6: make it happen. That, in a long wind about way,
37:35
Speaker 6: was actually their downfall as well. They had so much
37:37
Speaker 6: commitment with people, I mean tens of thousands of people
37:40
Speaker 6: working on it, spending tons of money on it. They
37:43
Speaker 6: spent close to a quarter of a trillion US dollars
37:46
Speaker 6: and today US dollars. You know, it was the Pollo
37:48
Speaker 6: program was nine percent of the US budget per year, right,
37:52
Speaker 6: And that meant that they could do this as quickly
37:56
Speaker 6: and is maybe rudimentary at times, as possible, but it
37:59
Speaker 6: also meant then that's kind of what then killed it
38:03
Speaker 6: off because it was too costly to run.
38:05
Speaker 1: But now all of that has changed.
38:08
Speaker 2: Atemis two goes further than anyone else has gone into space.
38:13
Speaker 2: Just explain that to me, because obviously Apollo eleven and
38:17
Speaker 2: the other Apollo missions went to the Moon and back.
38:21
Speaker 2: Is this the fact that they're going around the backside
38:24
Speaker 2: of the dark side of the moon. Is that where
38:26
Speaker 2: the distance comes in.
38:28
Speaker 6: You're exactly right, so you know all of the other
38:30
Speaker 6: Apollo missions minus thirteen will get there in a second.
38:33
Speaker 1: Went in orbit.
38:33
Speaker 6: Around the Moon, and so they actually stayed relatively close
38:37
Speaker 6: to the Moon. They were kind of hovering fifty to
38:39
Speaker 6: one hundred kilometers above. So yeah, they did the three
38:42
Speaker 6: hundred and eighty four thousand kilometer trip, but then they
38:45
Speaker 6: stayed near the moon. What Artemis two is is doing
38:49
Speaker 6: this sling shot, and in order for the slingshot to work,
38:51
Speaker 6: you kind of have to come in towards the Moon,
38:54
Speaker 6: hit it at the right angle so that gravity bends
38:56
Speaker 6: you around, and then come out the right way. In fact,
38:59
Speaker 6: they're taking a really similar path to Apollo thirteen. Apollo
39:03
Speaker 6: thirteen did a similar slingshot around it. In order for them,
39:07
Speaker 6: obviously to return when they couldn't control themselves. So they're
39:11
Speaker 6: doing this in a controlled manner, which actually means they
39:13
Speaker 6: will go past where Apollo thirteen went and then come
39:17
Speaker 6: back past the Moon. And part of this is on purpose.
39:20
Speaker 6: They want to test distance. They want to test going
39:23
Speaker 6: out beyond the orbit of the Moon because we do
39:25
Speaker 6: have some orbits that will go in the future that
39:28
Speaker 6: will be quite elliptical, and making sure that it can
39:31
Speaker 6: withstand the rigors of what they need.
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Speaker 2: If you, Ken Brad, give us some Aussie times, that
39:37
Speaker 2: will be important. So they're circulating around the Earth at
39:42
Speaker 2: the moment and then they need to slingshot out toward
39:45
Speaker 2: the Moon. When in Aussie time might that happen?
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Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, So what we call the transluter injection, that
39:51
Speaker 6: is that point, as you said, when they kick their
39:53
Speaker 6: thrusters off and go off into orbit. We're pretty much
39:56
Speaker 6: just shot a little over twelve hours from now, so
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Speaker 6: it's going to be around nine or so our time
40:02
Speaker 6: tomorrow mornings. It's about twenty four hours after launch that
40:06
Speaker 6: they're going to do that translunar injection where they kick
40:08
Speaker 6: themselves from twenty five thousand kilometers an hour to forty
40:12
Speaker 6: thousand kilometers an hour to escape enough of the velocity
40:16
Speaker 6: or pool of Earth and get to the Moon. Then
40:19
Speaker 6: they will spend about three and a half to four
40:21
Speaker 6: days getting to the Moon. There will be another big
40:23
Speaker 6: moment for us though, on Saturday, and that is because
40:26
Speaker 6: they will now reach the distance where the new system
40:28
Speaker 6: that is going to send data via lasers for the
40:31
Speaker 6: first of its kind, located here in Mount Shremlow. We're
40:34
Speaker 6: on base, we'll kick in and then we'll see. The
40:37
Speaker 6: weekend is the next big thing, and that is when
40:39
Speaker 6: they're actually Sunday month getting into Monday, when they're actually
40:44
Speaker 6: in orbit or going around the Moon.
40:47
Speaker 2: We've all watched the dish. How involved are you guys
40:50
Speaker 2: in camera this time round?
40:52
Speaker 6: So something about ninety five percent of all the data
40:55
Speaker 6: that is going via Artemis two is coming via camera.
40:59
Speaker 6: In Australia, we have the NASA Tracking Station, which is
41:02
Speaker 6: one of three that NASA operates outside tippin Billa, which
41:05
Speaker 6: is outside Canberra, and in this new laser system here
41:08
Speaker 6: at Mount Stromlow where I'm at, that is all standing
41:11
Speaker 6: and retrieving this data. So there's a huge amount of
41:13
Speaker 6: work and you know, people may say, oh, you know,
41:15
Speaker 6: we did that with the Apollo and we did Honeysuckle
41:19
Speaker 6: Creek and Parks and even Carnarvon. Well, it's because they're
41:23
Speaker 6: also really good at it, and we build a technology
41:26
Speaker 6: that leads away and the reliability. So that's one of
41:28
Speaker 6: the big things. Why we keep doing this is because
41:31
Speaker 6: we know how to do it and keep advancing it
41:33
Speaker 6: so much so that NASA keeps saying, well, it's just
41:35
Speaker 6: easier for the Australians to do it.
41:38
Speaker 1: What will be the.
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Speaker 2: Key point in what happens in the next ten days
41:42
Speaker 2: where they go, right, oh, that worked, we can go
41:45
Speaker 2: back in twenty twenty eight and put the feet on
41:48
Speaker 2: the ground.
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Speaker 6: Yeah.
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Speaker 1: Look, so there's two things.
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Speaker 6: How the capsule performs going around the orbit of the Moon.
41:55
Speaker 6: That's going to be a big one because Artemis three
41:57
Speaker 6: next year. The whole goal of Artemist three is for
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Speaker 6: the capsule to dock with the landers. Now, in the
42:03
Speaker 6: Apollo days, what they did was they actually sent the
42:06
Speaker 6: lander into orbit around the Earth. The capsule went up,
42:08
Speaker 6: and then they docked around the Earth and then they
42:11
Speaker 6: made the journey to the Moon. What they're doing now
42:14
Speaker 6: is sending all of this to the Moon already, and
42:17
Speaker 6: this is going to be led by the private company
42:18
Speaker 6: SpaceX with Starship and Blue Origins Blue Moon, and they
42:22
Speaker 6: want to dock in orbit around the Moon and then
42:25
Speaker 6: get down to the surface. So Artemist three is about
42:28
Speaker 6: all right. If Bartamius two says yep, we can go
42:30
Speaker 6: around the Moon and the orbits we need and it
42:32
Speaker 6: works well, Artemis three can test the docking and getting
42:35
Speaker 6: that capsule ready so that Artemis four lands on the Moon.
42:38
Speaker 6: So that's probably the first big thing. Then the second
42:41
Speaker 6: big thing that obviously after launch and that's unsuccessful. The
42:44
Speaker 6: second big thing is the landing. And when Artemis won,
42:49
Speaker 6: this had no crew in it. But this is when
42:50
Speaker 6: they tested the capsule. The heat shield war bit faster
42:55
Speaker 6: than they wanted. It didn't put into the safety limits,
42:57
Speaker 6: but it was a bit more than they wanted. So
42:59
Speaker 6: they're testing it bit of a new angle to come
43:01
Speaker 6: in at, so they want to test how fast that
43:03
Speaker 6: descent is and how much the heat shields where does
43:06
Speaker 6: it slow down enough to what they want, So that's
43:09
Speaker 6: going to be the other big test that they look
43:11
Speaker 6: forward to at the end of the mission.
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Speaker 2: Brad, I love your enthusiasm. You'll let You're in for
43:17
Speaker 2: a great ten days. I'm sure we'll see you again
43:19
Speaker 2: on sky.
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Speaker 1: Thanks for joining overy much in the we are over
43:25
Speaker 1: the moon.
43:25
Speaker 2: Good on, It's still to come, Sir cursed Armer using
43:28
Speaker 2: war to drag Britain back toward the EU. Surely not.
43:31
Speaker 2: We'll get into that with Brendan O'Neil. He'll join me
43:33
Speaker 2: live from London in just a sec. Welcome back to
43:39
Speaker 2: great Paul Murray coming up next. Let's go straight to London,
43:42
Speaker 2: Spikes chief political writer Brendan O'Neil joins us. How's the
43:45
Speaker 2: price of petrol and diesel going?
43:47
Speaker 10: Brendan, not very good at the moment. Everything seems to
43:51
Speaker 10: be spiking. The cost of living is going through the roof,
43:54
Speaker 10: largely as a result of the oil spike. But you know,
43:58
Speaker 10: the thing that's getting all my nerves is the eye
44:00
Speaker 10: idea that this is entirely down to the around war,
44:02
Speaker 10: because that overlooks how badly our government has mismanaged our
44:06
Speaker 10: energy over the past few years. You know, through suicidal
44:10
Speaker 10: policies like net zero. We have failed to drill for oil,
44:14
Speaker 10: we failed to dig for coal. We have not become
44:16
Speaker 10: energy independent in the way that a nation should be.
44:19
Speaker 10: And so that's made us more susceptible to global shocks
44:22
Speaker 10: like the Iron War. So I think our government has
44:25
Speaker 10: a lot to answer for. It's not just down to Trump,
44:27
Speaker 10: and it's not just down to this conflict.
44:30
Speaker 2: Sounds like us, Brendan, I mean, we've been run by
44:32
Speaker 2: the same sort of idiots who have this green dream
44:35
Speaker 2: and a fantasy that we're going to be able to
44:36
Speaker 2: run the our economies on wind and sun. We've got
44:40
Speaker 2: more coal than just about anyone in the world. We've
44:43
Speaker 2: got reserves of oil that no one's prepared to tap.
44:46
Speaker 2: We can't go after guests because we don't want to
44:48
Speaker 2: do fracking, and we're suddenly winging about the fact that
44:50
Speaker 2: there's ships can't get through the straits of a muss
44:53
Speaker 2: to take oil to Singapore where they refine it because
44:56
Speaker 2: we don't even have any oil refineries here anymore.
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Speaker 10: Exactly right, And Britain is in an even worse position
45:03
Speaker 10: than Australia because at least you guys are doing something
45:06
Speaker 10: with your energy and digging lots of coal up. We're
45:08
Speaker 10: not doing anything at all pretty much. But you know,
45:11
Speaker 10: isn't it funny that we've had all these posh twits
45:13
Speaker 10: for the past five years saying just stop oil. You know,
45:16
Speaker 10: Greta Thunberg and all those other idiots chaining themselves to
45:19
Speaker 10: fences and gluing themselves to the road and saying no
45:22
Speaker 10: more oil, get rid of oil. Now they can finally
45:25
Speaker 10: see what it means to just stop oil, what it
45:27
Speaker 10: actually would entail for modern societies if oil suddenly becomes
45:32
Speaker 10: more expensive or suddenly becomes more scarce, which it is
45:35
Speaker 10: as a consequence of this conflict and as a consequence
45:37
Speaker 10: of the green ideology. So it has blown up in
45:40
Speaker 10: the face of some of these activists because most normal,
45:43
Speaker 10: good people can now see that oil and coal are
45:47
Speaker 10: absolutely essential parts of a modern society, and if they
45:50
Speaker 10: are in short supply, we can be in trouble. So
45:53
Speaker 10: I hope this acts as a wake up call to
45:55
Speaker 10: our green elites.
45:58
Speaker 2: Well, I think you wish for something that's never going
46:02
Speaker 2: to happen. They're just never going to change, mate, you
46:04
Speaker 2: know that. Speaking of useful idiots, Kis Starmer. He says
46:08
Speaker 2: the Iran was forcing Britain to get closer to Europe
46:13
Speaker 2: as your energy prices go through the roof. He's talking
46:15
Speaker 2: up a deeper EU cooperation on the economy and security
46:20
Speaker 2: sounds to me like he thinks you might want to
46:24
Speaker 2: go back to Brexit.
46:26
Speaker 10: Yeah, he would do anything to drag us back into
46:29
Speaker 10: the European Union. Kirs Starmer has always hated Brexit, which
46:33
Speaker 10: we voted for almost exactly ten years ago. It will
46:36
Speaker 10: be the tenth anniversary in June. He hates Brexit. He
46:39
Speaker 10: campaigned for years to have a second referendum which would
46:42
Speaker 10: have me which would have entailed voiding the votes of
46:45
Speaker 10: seventeen point four million people. I was one of them
46:48
Speaker 10: who voted to leave the European Union. He wants to
46:51
Speaker 10: drag us back, so he'll use any excuse, and the
46:53
Speaker 10: latest excuse is that he's falling out with Trump. He's
46:56
Speaker 10: not happy with the Iran war. He thinks we would
46:59
Speaker 10: be safer in the Army of Europe than we would
47:01
Speaker 10: in our special relationship with the United States. It's another
47:04
Speaker 10: ruse by Starmer to undo Brexit, which is the largest
47:08
Speaker 10: democratic vote in the history of Britain, and to take
47:11
Speaker 10: us back into the European Union. But he's on a
47:13
Speaker 10: hiding to nothing if he thinks he can get away
47:16
Speaker 10: with this because it will be very unpopular with the public.
47:19
Speaker 1: How did the British public react.
47:21
Speaker 2: When you've got Donald Trump say well, Starmer's no Churchill,
47:25
Speaker 2: and you know he's a week leader and he didn't
47:27
Speaker 2: want to help us out at all in this conflict.
47:29
Speaker 2: How did the public react to those comments?
47:33
Speaker 10: They pretty much agree. Well, sections of the public agree.
47:35
Speaker 10: Of course, the media establishment is going nuts and saying,
47:38
Speaker 10: how dare Trump look down his nose at our prime minister?
47:41
Speaker 10: But lots of ordinary people agree that Starmer is one
47:45
Speaker 10: of the worst prime ministers we've ever had. He's very ineffectual,
47:48
Speaker 10: he doesn't seem to believe in anything. He's constantly you turning,
47:52
Speaker 10: he's constantly backtracking. He hasn't said anything of any note
47:55
Speaker 10: whatsoever on the biggest geopolitical emergency of our times, which
47:59
Speaker 10: is the around war. He just says, I don't want
48:01
Speaker 10: to get dragged into it. He is a man of
48:04
Speaker 10: so little substance is actually quite shocking. So most voters
48:08
Speaker 10: are biting at the bit to have a chance to
48:11
Speaker 10: vote against him in our local elections next month and
48:14
Speaker 10: in the general election in a couple of years time.
48:16
Speaker 10: So people will be nodding along, I think with Trump's
48:19
Speaker 10: criticisms of Starmer, and they recognize that he absolutely is
48:23
Speaker 10: no Churchill, he's no Thatcher. He's not even a Tony Blair.
48:26
Speaker 10: He's a very wet blanket of a politician who stands
48:29
Speaker 10: for that well.
48:31
Speaker 2: Our companies, our countries marry each other. We mirror each other. Brendan,
48:35
Speaker 2: We're exactly the same. Thank you very much for your time,
48:37
Speaker 2: good luck. I have a great Easter in the UK.
48:40
Speaker 2: I should say Danika di Giorgio is up next, not
48:42
Speaker 2: more Murray