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Speaker 1: the podcast from the Volume Podcast Network. I am Shad Mellman,
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Speaker 1: Chief Content Officer of the Action Network. There is no
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Speaker 1: more important position in all of sports then quarterback in
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Speaker 1: the NFL. My bff, my companion mikel Padre, Simon Hunter
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Speaker 1: professional better. How often are we talking about our belief
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Speaker 1: and quarterbacks and whether or not we believe we can
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Speaker 1: win as betters on a particular quarterback's every thing right?
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Speaker 1: We always talk all the time, chatted to either people
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Speaker 1: under value quarterbacks, over valuing quarterbacks and the understanding quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: get better depending on the system and the coach with him.
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Speaker 1: So we talk a lot the time. Brother. It's like,
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Speaker 1: if I'm looking for a big advantage, I can find
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Speaker 1: a lot of times in a quarterback that's underrated. Which
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Speaker 1: one of my favorite quarterbacks ever, Nick Foles, Right quarterback,
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Speaker 1: right situation, right system, We saw what could happen. So
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Speaker 1: I love talking QBS. Chad knows this and especially NFL Draft.
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Speaker 1: I feel like me and you especially because this shows
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Speaker 1: so mainstream. That's what we talked about, right like that
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Speaker 1: year with the five quarterbacks. Last year, that was everything
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Speaker 1: we talked about quarterbacks for about a month. So yeah,
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Speaker 1: we we know we get at the NFL pulse. People
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Speaker 1: care about their football teams, but in the end, people
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Speaker 1: care about the quarterbacks, like interchangeable because of fantasy football.
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Speaker 1: Maybe that's how it is, But like, why would I
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Speaker 1: like Tom Brady, Why would I like Aaron Rodgers. I
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Speaker 1: should hate those guys, but I like them. It's just
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Speaker 1: it's just different than other sports where we love the
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Speaker 1: superstar quarterbacks. That's why I'm excited about today's guest. There's
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Speaker 1: nobody more qualified to look into the mind, body, and
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Speaker 1: soul of quarterbacks from the high school level to the
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Speaker 1: college level to the pro level. Former NFL player Jordan Palmer,
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Speaker 1: he is an expert on the quarterback position, the man
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Speaker 1: behind the elite training camp QB Summit, He's become the
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Speaker 1: go to coach for prospective NFL quarterbacks, including recently Josh Allen,
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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Trevor Lawrence. Also unquestionably the greatest quarterback in
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Speaker 1: the history of the U TEP Miners. You TEP of course,
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Speaker 1: for everyone who listens to Big Bets on Campus from
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Speaker 1: the Action Network, everyone knows how much we love the
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Speaker 1: U TEP miners. Jordan Palmer, Welcome to the show, brother,
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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me man. I love when when I
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Speaker 1: here's some folks who are not within the border of
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Speaker 1: Opasso who have some you tep love. Because that's a
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Speaker 1: few and far between, say, uh, it's it's we. We
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Speaker 1: launched Action Network four years ago and uh two of
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Speaker 1: our most prominent college football analysts have been hosting a
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Speaker 1: podcast this entire time that has gotten more and more popular,
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Speaker 1: and it has a segment on there where people call
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Speaker 1: in and leave voicemails where they complain about the picks
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Speaker 1: they've made, or they just complain about the bests that
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Speaker 1: uh they've made themselves. And inevitably there will be a
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Speaker 1: string of voicemails from people who are really upset or
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Speaker 1: really happy or defending or feeling slighted because of their
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Speaker 1: fandom or the best they've made. On YouTube football, it
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Speaker 1: is a constant theme every single season. We're talking minor
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Speaker 1: Nation out picks up. Oh that is awesome, Well they
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Speaker 1: got a couple of one. I like the direction the
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Speaker 1: coach has it headed an they got a couple of
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Speaker 1: good young guys there. Um, they're gonna have to combat
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Speaker 1: the whole N I L thing because I don't know
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Speaker 1: that yous are gonna be able to raise money to
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Speaker 1: compete with any of these schools. So it might turn
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Speaker 1: into a little bit of you know, a good player
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Speaker 1: comes in and plays well, it leaves. But um, but
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Speaker 1: doesn't mean they're not viable. I have so many questions.
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Speaker 1: I know Simon has so many questions because of your
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Speaker 1: position as a QB guru, right and you have worked
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Speaker 1: with so many of these guys and seeing how these
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Speaker 1: guys develop over the years. But I want to go
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Speaker 1: right off the bat like Simon and I did this
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Speaker 1: exercise I think it was in April where we ranked
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Speaker 1: our top ten qbs to bet On And it wasn't
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Speaker 1: necessarily based on stats. It wasn't based on sort of
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Speaker 1: the the record of a player. It was based on
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Speaker 1: what we see in the final moments of a game
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Speaker 1: when we're trying to make a decision. We did this
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Speaker 1: with Colin Cowher also, he was on the show talking
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Speaker 1: about it. So for me, I thought about it from
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Speaker 1: the respective perspective of who I do not want to
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Speaker 1: be betting against in the fourth quarter, Simmons was who
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Speaker 1: can bounce back from a brutal pick six the best,
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Speaker 1: and Coward was emotional discipline on and off the field.
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Speaker 1: So I'll put you on the spot right now. If
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Speaker 1: you're thinking about a quarterback from a betting point of view,
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Speaker 1: what is the characteristic that you would like to see
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Speaker 1: most as a better Well, I just think in betting
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Speaker 1: in general, right, if I could, if I could predict
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Speaker 1: the outcome of the game, I'd win money every time
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Speaker 1: I place a bet. Right, So if you back off
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Speaker 1: of being able to predict things, okay, we wouldn't be
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Speaker 1: on here if you guys could literally predict what's going
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Speaker 1: to happen. But you back out of being fully predictive. Um,
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Speaker 1: and like, what's the level right before that? And I
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Speaker 1: just think that that it's somebody who's life and and
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Speaker 1: that's honestly, if if Colins said that, I'd be shocked
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Speaker 1: if our conversations hadn't somehow formed around that, because I've
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Speaker 1: always talked about how you live your life on the
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Speaker 1: field and how you live your life off the field
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Speaker 1: directly mirror each other. With with you know, notable quarterbacks
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Speaker 1: and then I've had that conversation with him, And so
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Speaker 1: for me, I look at like, who is who's the
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Speaker 1: same all the time? Who's who's the most predictable person
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Speaker 1: on and off the field, And because there's really talented
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Speaker 1: guys who are all over the map, right, don't why
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Speaker 1: did they throw that one, whether it was a touchdown
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Speaker 1: or a pick? Right, like, where'd you? How did you
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Speaker 1: see that? And why did you throw that? And you know,
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Speaker 1: why did you miss the meeting that we had the
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Speaker 1: other day? And they would bought that car out of nowhere?
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Speaker 1: Like and again I'm a little more behind the scenes
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Speaker 1: and than the casual fan. But when I I mean,
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Speaker 1: I I don't. I learned something a long time ago.
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Speaker 1: I was playing with some some receivers that you can
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Speaker 1: classify as deeva receivers, and a coach on the team.
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Speaker 1: I threw a pick one time because it was on them,
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Speaker 1: and the coach said, really really important lesson, don't trust
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Speaker 1: untrusted with the people. And it was like, oh, very simple.
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Speaker 1: And so when I think about it, whether it's betting,
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Speaker 1: whether it's evaluating talent, like who can I assume is
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Speaker 1: going to be doing this? When I assume that he's
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Speaker 1: going to be doing that, And so I think, actually
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Speaker 1: it's a combination all three of your answers. It's somebody
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Speaker 1: who's proven, whether it's the pick six analogy, somebody who's
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Speaker 1: proven the didversity, they're unemotional about adversity right. And then
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Speaker 1: and if you're starting in the NFL, there's plenty of
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Speaker 1: different examples we can look at whether you were or
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Speaker 1: were not um. And then when it's somebody who's just
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Speaker 1: the same all the time, like Russell Wilson, I don't
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Speaker 1: know that i'd be best friends with him if we
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Speaker 1: live next door to each other, but I can kind
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Speaker 1: of tell you within pretty much certainty, like what he's
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Speaker 1: doing this week, you know what I mean, I kind
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Speaker 1: of know what he's gonna do. I kind of know
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Speaker 1: how he's gonna handle being down at the end of
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Speaker 1: the game. I kind of know how he's going to
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Speaker 1: protect the lead up ten right, seven and a half
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Speaker 1: point like six and alf point line whatever. So I
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Speaker 1: just think I look at who's as predictable as possible,
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Speaker 1: and I to find that, you gotta look at who
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Speaker 1: they are on the field and off the field. I'm
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Speaker 1: so glad you said that I'm so glad you said that,
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Speaker 1: because the biggest discrepancy that Simon and I had in
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Speaker 1: our top tens um was Aaron Rodgers and Russell Wilson.
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Speaker 1: I had Russell Wilson ranked five, I had Rogers ranked eight,
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Speaker 1: Simon had Wilson eight, and Rogers ranked third. And my
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Speaker 1: interpretation of what you just said fits having Wilson ranked higher. Yeah,
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Speaker 1: I think Aaron, if you look at it off the field,
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Speaker 1: I mean, is he going to show up this thing?
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Speaker 1: Is he not? And I mean you can get tattoos
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Speaker 1: if you want. It's all good, but like that poof
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Speaker 1: out of nowhere, the love life, so it's just a
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Speaker 1: lot of you know, uncertainty, sir funding him. The only
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Speaker 1: consistency has really been the uniform UM from the start.
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Speaker 1: Everything else has been a little different UM and Russ
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Speaker 1: has a new uniform too, But his routine is the same,
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Speaker 1: his approach is the same, his team around him is
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Speaker 1: the same. I mean this, dude, I mean, I've heard
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Speaker 1: all sorts of numbers, but I've heard around a million
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Speaker 1: bucks of years. But he's invests on his body, his team,
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Speaker 1: his full time chef, his full time every that just
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Speaker 1: matters to me. I don't know if it matters to fans,
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Speaker 1: I don't know if it matters the defenders. But when
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Speaker 1: every single day is the same, when March is always
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Speaker 1: the same, in June is always the same, um, I
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Speaker 1: just think you get similar results. And Russell just had
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Speaker 1: his first bad year, you know, through it for through
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Speaker 1: his first eight seasons, nobody won more games, um and uh.
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Speaker 1: And also the lowest paid offensive line in the NFL
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Speaker 1: and maybe an NFL history in the last two years
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Speaker 1: really against the cap where it's right now. So he's
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Speaker 1: just overcomes so much and he's just kind of always
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Speaker 1: the same thing. UM. I actually think Russ's best ball
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Speaker 1: is ahead of him because he's never had control of
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Speaker 1: the steering wheel or the puppet strings, and I think
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Speaker 1: he has that right now. And so if you're give
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Speaker 1: him all that money, why not let like this version
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Speaker 1: of Russell Wilson go and then pull it back if
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Speaker 1: you have to. But he always had a head coach
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Speaker 1: GM who were way more established before he got there.
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Speaker 1: I never had that, So with him, I think gets
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Speaker 1: his best ball ahead of him. And with Aaron, I
11:22
Speaker 1: think this is his worst roster he's had around him offensively,
11:26
Speaker 1: and that division is getting better. And then all I
11:29
Speaker 1: heard was that say, it's it's crazy. A guy who
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Speaker 1: just won back to back m v P s is
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Speaker 1: just left for debt. That's why I just love. I
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Speaker 1: love this life we lived cheat It's the best I know.
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Speaker 1: It's awesome. I mean, he's thirty seven and thirty eight,
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Speaker 1: and I mean, so his best ball is not behind him.
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Speaker 1: If it's behind him, it's behind him the last two years,
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Speaker 1: not like back in you know. Um but and I'm
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Speaker 1: a huge Aaron Rodgers fan. I think his best is
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Speaker 1: as good as anybody that's ever played the game. Um
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Speaker 1: and so. But in answering your question, I think in
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Speaker 1: terms of predicting these things, that's why I like all
12:03
Speaker 1: of a sudden, Like, man, Aaron played bad in the
12:05
Speaker 1: what was the NFC Championship or whatever. You know what,
12:08
Speaker 1: it's like you caught off guard when he is a
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Speaker 1: bad game, like mahomes an FC Championship second half. You
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Speaker 1: like what is happening right now because we're just used
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Speaker 1: to seeing a really consistent level of play out of
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Speaker 1: the best ones, and even the m v P and
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Speaker 1: top three, top four player or whatever in the league.
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Speaker 1: In my homes are like are capable of having about
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Speaker 1: half or about game in my old Basically, the whole
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Speaker 1: point of that little extras was just a t S,
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Speaker 1: Like who's the best quarterback? We trust a T S.
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Speaker 1: So that's why I was given Chad a hard time
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Speaker 1: just because Rogers. I know what I'm getting. I bet
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Speaker 1: him all regular season, he covers all regular season, and
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Speaker 1: then I fade him at home in the playoffs and
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Speaker 1: every time Rogers chokes at home. So that's why I
12:46
Speaker 1: get what you guys are doing with it. Chad trying
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Speaker 1: to trick. You. Don't let him trick. You had Rogers
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Speaker 1: top five, he didn't have him. And I've been giving
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Speaker 1: him shit about it because I think he's taking the
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Speaker 1: vaccine thing too far. Don't hate him because he's a liar.
12:59
Speaker 1: I think about on field chat on field Rodgers. It's
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Speaker 1: all part of it sign and it all speaks to
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Speaker 1: what Jordan is talking about it. It speaks to emotional consistency.
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Speaker 1: But he's got back to back m vps like he's
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Speaker 1: doing it on the field. That's just that's my thing.
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Speaker 1: It's like, Yeah, if he was Johnny Johnny football over here,
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Speaker 1: I'd like, Yeah, Rogers got some ship going on lately
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Speaker 1: getting this tattoo and changing new girlfriends every rather week.
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Speaker 1: But it seems like he's just a wild dude. You
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Speaker 1: can keep his ship together on the field. Yeah, I
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Speaker 1: think football has always made sense to him. I think
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Speaker 1: that's that's home for him, you know, those lights on
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Speaker 1: the bigger the moment. I just I just don't think
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Speaker 1: Davante Adams is an interchangeable piece. But Jordan, I was
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Speaker 1: thinking like, who was the first person to hit you
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Speaker 1: up to become a QB coach? Is that something you
13:48
Speaker 1: always know you wanted to do? Or do you just
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Speaker 1: like kind of thing where I was like, you know
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Speaker 1: my kids? You know my kids is the number one
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Speaker 1: recruit come out of high school. I know you from
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Speaker 1: playing with you back to day. I reach out to
13:58
Speaker 1: you like, hey, if you come working like Gid, here's
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Speaker 1: something California and you were like, holy sh it, I
14:02
Speaker 1: kind of like doing this. This is uh, this is
14:04
Speaker 1: a cool gig improving these kids dreams. No, if I
14:08
Speaker 1: mean for me, it actually started when I was really little.
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Speaker 1: Have you guys have read the book Outliers by Malcolm Gladwell,
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Speaker 1: pretty book, So I feel like I'm a chapter out
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Speaker 1: there because a couple of things happened that had nothing
14:18
Speaker 1: to do with me. Um One, I did not choose
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Speaker 1: for my brother to be Carson Palmer. Now, fans and
14:23
Speaker 1: betters may have opinions around who Carson Palmer is, but
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Speaker 1: I've worked with a couple of number one picks, probably
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Speaker 1: twenty five first rounders, half the starters in the league,
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Speaker 1: one way or another, I kind of know everybody. Um,
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Speaker 1: he's the best example of how to do it removed
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Speaker 1: by us. I mean the people, the way he treated
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Speaker 1: the dudes in the locker room, the work work ethic,
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Speaker 1: and the way he rehabbed his knee. The talent like
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Speaker 1: they were gonna start Lanyard his senior year, they were
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Speaker 1: gonna give him one or two games to go, and
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Speaker 1: his response was high trophy, number one pick, like the
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Speaker 1: way he bounced back and not No, got very limited
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Speaker 1: credit for what he actually did. So I can just
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Speaker 1: go on and on. So one that dudes four and
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Speaker 1: a half years older than me. So that was the
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Speaker 1: example that I had. Okay, So one that happened to
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Speaker 1: my high school coach, Bob Johnson. Rob Johnson, his father
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Speaker 1: UM trained Carson starting when Carson was in seventh grade.
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Speaker 1: So I was sitting on my football watching him in
15:18
Speaker 1: third grade. Right, and this is like the first guy
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Speaker 1: to like charge money for private quarterback lessons, Like did
15:23
Speaker 1: that wasn't a wasn't an industry. This is like mid
15:26
Speaker 1: early nineties. And so Bob Johnson then created with a
15:30
Speaker 1: few other folks, Andy Bark and Student Sports created a
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Speaker 1: Lead eleven, which Lead eleven is like, I think like
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Speaker 1: pent of the quarterbacks on NFL rosters last year went
15:38
Speaker 1: through a Lead eleven. There's like a bunch of crazy stats.
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Speaker 1: I don't remember him, but Lead eleven has been on
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Speaker 1: twenty five years. My dad read about that in the
15:46
Speaker 1: magazine and dropped me off as a sixth grader, Drew
15:49
Speaker 1: Brees was going into his junior year. Derrett David Carr
15:52
Speaker 1: was going into his sophomore year, right, So, and I
15:55
Speaker 1: haven't missed one since. So I was a college counselor
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Speaker 1: at Utah when little Maddie Stafford and Timmy Tebow were
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Speaker 1: the high school kids. So I've really actually seen everybody
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Speaker 1: go through this. And again I didn't pick that. So
16:08
Speaker 1: there's really two things where I've I've grown up. I
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Speaker 1: think around quarterback training. I just i'd love to have
16:13
Speaker 1: a discussion with whoever thinks number two is UM or
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Speaker 1: whoever thinks of the number one is because I'd love
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Speaker 1: to not to compare, but like, I just haven't met
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Speaker 1: anybody who's been around it like me. And even Eli Manning,
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Speaker 1: the younger brother of Peyton, doesn't know what it's like
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Speaker 1: to be six round pick cut right away, started an
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Speaker 1: arena deal, bounce around like you know what I mean.
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Speaker 1: He kind of lives same life spadon UM. And so
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Speaker 1: it's super unique to get both sides of the perspective
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Speaker 1: of I know what it's like to win a high
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Speaker 1: school be the number one pick. When Carson retired, he
16:42
Speaker 1: was the highest paid player in NFL history. You can
16:45
Speaker 1: say what you wanted about his career, but were pretty good.
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Speaker 1: And then mine to bounce around and hang on and whatever,
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Speaker 1: and so I've got this unique perspective. So I had
16:53
Speaker 1: always been around it. I'd always been working with guys
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Speaker 1: UM and then Uh, Trevor Moad who's one of my
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Speaker 1: best he's passed away last year. Uh he's a performance psychologist.
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Speaker 1: Uh he's the sports psychologist's been working with Russell Wilson
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Speaker 1: for the last ten years. UM. He wrote a book
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Speaker 1: called it it takes what it Takes and another one
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Speaker 1: called getting Too Neutral. And so at the time, Trevor
17:15
Speaker 1: was running Exos, which was like the predominant place for
17:19
Speaker 1: guys to train for the draft, and he said, I
17:21
Speaker 1: was playing for the Bears at the time, and he said, uh,
17:24
Speaker 1: Trent Dilfer. A couple of people told me that you
17:26
Speaker 1: know you're you're the guy who wanna we wanna have
17:28
Speaker 1: you come in and do draft training. And I was,
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Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't. I didn't even really remember what
17:32
Speaker 1: draft training was because they just did it with my
17:34
Speaker 1: high school coach, with Bob Johnson. I don't know. I
17:36
Speaker 1: don't know what everyb else was doing. And so, um,
17:39
Speaker 1: they give me a little bit of money, let me
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Speaker 1: eat there for free, train for free, which is expensive.
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Speaker 1: When you're in the NFL. You don't watch college football
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Speaker 1: because you're busy. The last thing I'm doing watching some
17:48
Speaker 1: random college game, uh in season. And so I had
17:51
Speaker 1: no idea who Blake Bortles was. Um U CF like
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Speaker 1: they have a quarterback? He was good, right, And and
17:58
Speaker 1: so they said this kid coming in today to meet
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Speaker 1: with you, and I said, listen, I don't know a
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Speaker 1: whole lot about the draft. The running people are great,
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Speaker 1: the lifting people are great, all that stuff. I just
18:07
Speaker 1: know what you're probably gonna need to know. So once
18:09
Speaker 1: I figure out what you know already, I'll teach you
18:11
Speaker 1: the rest of it. And we became boys. He went
18:13
Speaker 1: third overall nobody. We didn't see it coming, and I
18:17
Speaker 1: was in the green room in New York with him
18:18
Speaker 1: for the second time I've been. There's a little brother,
18:21
Speaker 1: and I'm like, this ship is awesome. I want to
18:24
Speaker 1: do this. And so it's really just been like a
18:26
Speaker 1: Q one January February March commitment, which is now turned
18:30
Speaker 1: into a real thing. This year, I think I'll have
18:32
Speaker 1: ten receivers and past the past catchers because I'll take receivers,
18:36
Speaker 1: running back, some tight ends, and four to six quarterbacks.
18:38
Speaker 1: And um, I don't I'm not competing against other people
18:41
Speaker 1: that do what I do. I don't know how you
18:42
Speaker 1: score it and how to win. I'm not trying to
18:44
Speaker 1: be number one. Um. I'm just in the service industry,
18:47
Speaker 1: and I figure out a way to really serve these guys.
18:49
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's helping them physically, sometimes it's on the mental
18:52
Speaker 1: side more and honestly, sometimes it's on the emotional side.
18:54
Speaker 1: More of these kids need to grow up. I need
18:56
Speaker 1: to maybe they There's been times when I've been the first,
18:59
Speaker 1: like real may and to say something to like that
19:01
Speaker 1: to them in their life. Um, and so whatever the
19:05
Speaker 1: rollings up being, I've been able to build an amazing
19:08
Speaker 1: team around me and can really serve these kids where
19:10
Speaker 1: they're are. I love how you talk about your brother, uh,
19:16
Speaker 1: because so often that kind of relationship can become so
19:21
Speaker 1: poisonous because there is jealousy involved. And the way I've
19:26
Speaker 1: seen you talk about over the years has just been
19:29
Speaker 1: You've never gotten that sense at all. Your brother also has.
19:33
Speaker 1: I was editor in chief of ESPN the magazine for
19:36
Speaker 1: years before leaving to launch Action, and we had a
19:40
Speaker 1: writer at ESPN named David Fleming who did a lot
19:42
Speaker 1: of stories with your brother, a lot of feature stories
19:44
Speaker 1: in the magazine over the years, and he had Carson
19:48
Speaker 1: had one of my favorite quotes we ever had in
19:49
Speaker 1: the magazine. He was so accurate with his ball and
19:53
Speaker 1: knew he was so accurate that when he was working
19:56
Speaker 1: with the receiver it might have been Ocho Sinko. Ocho
20:00
Speaker 1: Sanko said he was going to be running a certain pattern,
20:03
Speaker 1: and your brother asked him, which nipple do you want
20:07
Speaker 1: the ball on? Like that's how pinpoint accurate he could be.
20:13
Speaker 1: That's Mac Jones right now, he's a which nipple quarterback.
20:18
Speaker 1: And that was the first time I've ever seen and
20:19
Speaker 1: now it's happening more. I'm sure it was happening in
20:21
Speaker 1: other places too. But you go weeks practicing games without
20:25
Speaker 1: missing weeks weeks. I mean, I'm going like eight throws
20:29
Speaker 1: in a row without missing ten throws in a row.
20:32
Speaker 1: It's gonna go weeks, um, And I just so it
20:35
Speaker 1: was funny. The reason I've never had a new jealousy
20:38
Speaker 1: and can can honestly say that is um with him.
20:43
Speaker 1: I didn't know I could growing up playing catch. I
20:46
Speaker 1: just thought that's what everyone's older brother through it, like right.
20:49
Speaker 1: So it actually messed with my confidence because it was
20:51
Speaker 1: such a gap could I which one I could do it?
20:54
Speaker 1: Between what I could do and he could do And
20:56
Speaker 1: I just assumed what he was doing was normal. And
20:59
Speaker 1: so it wasn't until and he was a top recruit
21:01
Speaker 1: in the country and all that stuff, But it wasn't
21:02
Speaker 1: really until I got to like high school and I'd
21:05
Speaker 1: go throw with the sc guys and the other three
21:08
Speaker 1: quarterbacks would show up no disrespect to John Fox, uh,
21:12
Speaker 1: Mike vn rap Horst or some of these other guys um,
21:16
Speaker 1: and I go, oh, he's like twice as good as
21:20
Speaker 1: the guys on his team. And then all of a sudden,
21:22
Speaker 1: somebody else would show up, like uh uh, somebody from
21:25
Speaker 1: you say, like Ky McNown or somebody who show up
21:27
Speaker 1: to workout, and I go, oh, he's like twice as
21:30
Speaker 1: good as everybody else. And I didn't. I didn't have
21:33
Speaker 1: context for it. You know, I threw with him, and
21:35
Speaker 1: I threw with my high school guys or whatever. And
21:36
Speaker 1: then my Bob Johnson would have these workouts and you'd
21:38
Speaker 1: get these other quarterbacks and from colleges who came in
21:41
Speaker 1: to work with Bob Johnson, and it was like, oh,
21:43
Speaker 1: he's four times better than Cody Pickett from Washington, Okay,
21:47
Speaker 1: and that guy's or Marcus Toyosa Soka, Okay, that makes
21:50
Speaker 1: more sense now. So I didn't really have context for it.
21:53
Speaker 1: And then by the time I did, I was just
21:55
Speaker 1: so proud of over all the stuff you'd overcome, and
21:57
Speaker 1: what he was doing was legitimately such a big fan
22:00
Speaker 1: um that that just jealousy never came into the mix.
22:03
Speaker 1: I've been jealous of plenty of other people, but just
22:05
Speaker 1: never him. And uh And also once I found out
22:09
Speaker 1: that like that's what he was born to do and
22:11
Speaker 1: I was actually like born to do other things, then
22:13
Speaker 1: I got really comfortable with that gap and our relationship.
22:16
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm in Lake Tahoe room lake all day yesterday.
22:19
Speaker 1: A relationship has been incredible, and now I trained his
22:22
Speaker 1: thirteen year old flat She's gonna might be a real one. Um.
22:28
Speaker 1: How much of a QB success is being drafted into
22:33
Speaker 1: the right situation? I asked that he, because you see
22:38
Speaker 1: it all the time, be specifically. I think about the Bears.
22:40
Speaker 1: We've talked about Mitch Rubinsky, and like in retrospect, if
22:44
Speaker 1: he's not with the Bears at that time, is he
22:46
Speaker 1: a different player? Um? So, how much of that makes
22:50
Speaker 1: the quarterback? I actually think it's everything, because if you
22:55
Speaker 1: want to figure out if he's a real one or not, right,
22:58
Speaker 1: because if you put a really good quarterback in a
23:01
Speaker 1: terrible situation, I still don't know, right. So let's let's
23:06
Speaker 1: let's sw some names out here. Okay, So in full transparency,
23:09
Speaker 1: I know all these guys, but I spend but I
23:12
Speaker 1: really it's hard for me to really remove by us.
23:15
Speaker 1: So even if you if even if you go George's
23:17
Speaker 1: biased towards Sam Donald, because I've known him since he
23:19
Speaker 1: was fourteen, there's still some facts here, okay, Like I
23:24
Speaker 1: don't know about Sam, I still believe he's a great
23:28
Speaker 1: and if it's not a starter, like a high level
23:30
Speaker 1: starter in this league, because if you look at the
23:32
Speaker 1: entry point in his situation, so he goes to New York, right,
23:37
Speaker 1: there's Josh McCown. But that's that's about it. It's the
23:40
Speaker 1: staff on their last you know, the GM of the
23:42
Speaker 1: head coaching on their way out case and the new
23:43
Speaker 1: staff comes in, and I couldn't think of a worse
23:47
Speaker 1: set up. Adam Gates the offensity runs the way that
23:50
Speaker 1: he doesn't. I'm not saying a worse person. I'm just
23:52
Speaker 1: I don't even know Adam Gains. I'm just saying how
23:55
Speaker 1: he's had success with quarterbacks versus um what am I
24:00
Speaker 1: think needs to be able to succeed, Like those are opposites. Okay,
24:04
Speaker 1: So however that played out, like we're gonna win with
24:07
Speaker 1: confusion pre snap and have all these different things. I
24:09
Speaker 1: don't know enough. That's the way right, plus the personnel
24:12
Speaker 1: in those teams, okay, like the wide receiver room. I mean,
24:16
Speaker 1: it's it's as bad as it gets. Okay. So then
24:19
Speaker 1: you go to Carolina last year and go, okay, cool,
24:22
Speaker 1: fresh start, and they start off three and oh and
24:24
Speaker 1: McCaffrey goes down. They fired the o C week five,
24:29
Speaker 1: and then at that point when they benched Sam last year,
24:32
Speaker 1: they were on a pace to shatter the NFL record
24:35
Speaker 1: for drop passes. No one talked about that. They were
24:38
Speaker 1: Robbie rob DJ was number one. Robbie Anderson was number one.
24:41
Speaker 1: DJ was like number four, and Chuba Hubbard was like
24:44
Speaker 1: number one non receivers and drops right, So you just
24:47
Speaker 1: go like boom boom, boom boom, like at one after
24:49
Speaker 1: another for another in this situation and actually in the
24:51
Speaker 1: game when Sam donnad got benched, they were down eleven
24:55
Speaker 1: at New York, they're down eleven, and there's like a
24:57
Speaker 1: handful of minutes Like the week before they were down eleven.
25:01
Speaker 1: He drove ninety yards versus Minnesota. DJ drops a touchdown,
25:05
Speaker 1: they kick a field goal, drives ninety yards, has three
25:08
Speaker 1: fourth down conversions on that play and the scene that
25:10
Speaker 1: he threw to the middle of the trimble was one
25:12
Speaker 1: of the top five throws of the year in my opinion. Okay,
25:14
Speaker 1: scores startingly on ghost for two gets, it goes over time,
25:17
Speaker 1: Minnesota drives on the field sports to the wins the game,
25:19
Speaker 1: and the next week they're down to eleven and they
25:21
Speaker 1: pulled him same setup. Dude, you know what he's so like.
25:25
Speaker 1: I look at a guy like Sam Donold and I go,
25:30
Speaker 1: I mean, put him in any of these others, you
25:33
Speaker 1: know what I mean? Like, put him in a situation
25:35
Speaker 1: where they build it around him. I think he's on
25:38
Speaker 1: his second deal, right, and then there's guys that go
25:41
Speaker 1: to the perfect spot like Mahomes. They built it right
25:43
Speaker 1: around him right away, Josh. What Brandon Bean and co
25:46
Speaker 1: did around Josh Allen and Buffalo and by the way,
25:49
Speaker 1: not right away. Kelvin Benjamin was Josh Allen's number one
25:52
Speaker 1: target his rookie year. They were not good. Brandon Bean
25:56
Speaker 1: did not take over an awesome franchise that was on
25:58
Speaker 1: the way up. They built it. But the balls to
26:02
Speaker 1: go and take Josh and go about that process the
26:05
Speaker 1: way they did, and then to build it around him
26:06
Speaker 1: and go get Mitch Morrise, the center who was with
26:08
Speaker 1: Mahomes and then go get these pieces. And we can
26:11
Speaker 1: talk about trading for stuff on digs, but that was
26:14
Speaker 1: that was just an example of a belief system. They
26:16
Speaker 1: had to build it around the quarterback to go get
26:18
Speaker 1: stuff do right. And so I just look at I
26:22
Speaker 1: look at guys like, if you take this quarterback who
26:24
Speaker 1: succeeded and you put him in this bad situation, is
26:27
Speaker 1: he picking up his option? And then you put this
26:29
Speaker 1: quarterback who everyone thinks it's a bust and you put
26:31
Speaker 1: him in a great situation, and it's like did he
26:33
Speaker 1: get paid two years ago? And I just don't know.
26:36
Speaker 1: And so we know we can trust sir I when
26:38
Speaker 1: we see Patrick Mahomes, a great player, go to a
26:40
Speaker 1: great organization that builds around him. Whof, we know what
26:43
Speaker 1: that looks like. We're not confused by it. But where
26:45
Speaker 1: people get confused is when a quarterback who's really good
26:48
Speaker 1: goes and really struggles in a bad situation and we
26:51
Speaker 1: automatically assume that that's that player. So my last thing
26:54
Speaker 1: I'll say is overwhelmingly completely opposite sides of the spectrum. Here,
26:59
Speaker 1: teams with on developing the quarterback way more than that
27:03
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29:05
Speaker 1: I talked many times about the second third year quarterback.
29:08
Speaker 1: That is the biggest edge a better will get in football.
29:12
Speaker 1: Mahomes MVP or fifty two one opened the season, Lamar
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29:20
Speaker 1: huge leap for Joe Burrow took a hundred fifty two
29:22
Speaker 1: one team to the Super Bowl. This year, my team
29:25
Speaker 1: is the Jaguars. Simple fact, Trevor Lawrence. I have a
29:29
Speaker 1: guy everyone's out on Trevor Lawrence after just one year,
29:32
Speaker 1: the number one pick, just because he had such a
29:34
Speaker 1: bad coaching last year. They're sitting at A one to
29:38
Speaker 1: win the NFL Championship. He's at S one to get
29:41
Speaker 1: m v P. Trevor Lawrence, Am I not? I'm I'm
29:44
Speaker 1: I'm in the right line of thinking here, right thinking
29:46
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson whole new offensive scheme. Would you back this
29:49
Speaker 1: kind of view with Trevor Lawrence where you can see
29:51
Speaker 1: him taking a huge leap year two just the right
29:54
Speaker 1: coaching and the right scheme built around him because the
29:56
Speaker 1: town's there. I mean, I don't know that a rookie
30:01
Speaker 1: has dealt with more, you know, than he dealt with
30:04
Speaker 1: because we've all heard the stories. But you know how
30:06
Speaker 1: it is. That's what stuff it actually happened, you know
30:11
Speaker 1: what I mean. I'm not even coming from an insider.
30:13
Speaker 1: I'm just saying that's just how the league works. So um,
30:16
Speaker 1: very few people have dealt with more and on top
30:18
Speaker 1: of that, dealt with more negative negativity off of the
30:24
Speaker 1: amount of positivities dealt with. This guy's never really lost.
30:26
Speaker 1: He played for a high school coach that he loved
30:28
Speaker 1: and respected. He played for Davos Money, who he loved
30:31
Speaker 1: and respected. He stepped into a winning culture in high school,
30:34
Speaker 1: he stepped into a winning culture in college, and he
30:36
Speaker 1: added to that winning culture. And then he went to
30:38
Speaker 1: an absolute duster fire. And so it's not just how
30:43
Speaker 1: bad the situation was, it's the lack of experience that
30:46
Speaker 1: he had dealing with a bad situation, Like Trevor, how
30:50
Speaker 1: do you deal with a coach that you don't trust?
30:51
Speaker 1: I don't know, never done it right. So like when
30:55
Speaker 1: you look at it from that perspective, he had to
30:57
Speaker 1: overcome the most. I was impressed with how he played.
31:01
Speaker 1: I mean, again, I've coached the guy or whatever. I'm
31:03
Speaker 1: impressed with how he's played because what he's managed, the
31:07
Speaker 1: talent around him, Um, that team, you know, and I
31:11
Speaker 1: just I thought it was impressive, and I think they're
31:13
Speaker 1: They're definitely poised to turn this thing down around a
31:17
Speaker 1: lot quicker than people think. Now. That roster is not
31:19
Speaker 1: necessarily where the Chiefs were his second year, and that
31:21
Speaker 1: roster is not where the the Ravens were in Lamar's
31:24
Speaker 1: second year. Um, but this roster is not where it
31:27
Speaker 1: was last year either. And I think Christian Kirk people
31:30
Speaker 1: can do and awe about the money and say what
31:32
Speaker 1: they want, but he's talked about predictable. Dude. I know,
31:36
Speaker 1: I've known him since hig school. Was Kyle Allen, the
31:38
Speaker 1: guy I've worked with forever as his best friend since
31:40
Speaker 1: he was little, been around Christian since he was four
31:43
Speaker 1: ft six, And that guy's the same thing every single day.
31:46
Speaker 1: All he's trying to do is is get open and
31:48
Speaker 1: the way he approaches the game. So I like that, like,
31:51
Speaker 1: but that's the right like, that's the right guy to
31:53
Speaker 1: pay to bring into that room as you bring in
31:55
Speaker 1: young receivers moving forward, and they go, Okay, that's how
31:58
Speaker 1: I'm supposed to train that son's supposed course of the game.
32:00
Speaker 1: So between Doug tow In some of the offseason moves
32:03
Speaker 1: that they made, UM, and you know whichever, Um, he
32:08
Speaker 1: knows how to build it, and he knows how uh,
32:10
Speaker 1: he knows what success looks like. I think is a
32:12
Speaker 1: better way to say that. And so, UM, I think
32:14
Speaker 1: they have the leadership that they need and they have
32:16
Speaker 1: no expectations. And I think that when you put people
32:19
Speaker 1: who have been there and done that. Dougs won a
32:21
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, Trevor's won a national title, A couple of
32:23
Speaker 1: other guys have wont a high level when you put
32:25
Speaker 1: them in there with no expectations and they get to
32:27
Speaker 1: operate in secrecy out in Jacksonville, I've played there, nobody
32:30
Speaker 1: he's paying attention. Um, then you can turn things around
32:33
Speaker 1: really quickly. What about a guy like Jalen Hurts. It's
32:38
Speaker 1: another team everyone is talking about. This team is having
32:42
Speaker 1: higher expectations. This is a year that he has to
32:45
Speaker 1: prove it. He's been given weapons around him. Do you
32:49
Speaker 1: look at a guy like that and say, Okay, he's
32:51
Speaker 1: got the skill set, if he's if the right people
32:53
Speaker 1: are around him to take the leap, Yeah, I do. UM,
32:57
Speaker 1: But at the same time I'll say this like we're
32:59
Speaker 1: gonna be able to come to a conclusion on Jalen
33:01
Speaker 1: Hurts at the end of this year, You've give him this.
33:03
Speaker 1: It's kind of like Baker last you know, you look
33:05
Speaker 1: at Baker who's Bakers played with his whole line went
33:08
Speaker 1: to the Pro Bowl. There's like seven out of nine
33:11
Speaker 1: guys have gone to the Pro you know, like look
33:12
Speaker 1: around it, you go, he's had talent around him. Jalen's
33:15
Speaker 1: got that now right offense and defense. The secondary is
33:18
Speaker 1: a little questionable. But for Jalen, for me, the weapons
33:20
Speaker 1: around him, this is I don't know if it's make
33:23
Speaker 1: or break, but we're gonna be able to come to
33:25
Speaker 1: a consensus at the end of this season. And he's
33:29
Speaker 1: shown that he's a playmaker. Um, and let's just I'll
33:32
Speaker 1: talk about this for a second. The difference between putting
33:34
Speaker 1: the ball in play and being a playmaker in high
33:37
Speaker 1: school football, right, do the Elite leven, all these league camps,
33:40
Speaker 1: all stuff. You can become a five star and get
33:43
Speaker 1: offers and all that stuff off of your playmaking ability.
33:47
Speaker 1: In college, to have success, you've got to make plays
33:50
Speaker 1: and you also have to put the ball in play
33:52
Speaker 1: and kind of take what they gave you. The NFL
33:54
Speaker 1: is about putting the ball in play, and I haven't
33:57
Speaker 1: seen Tom Brady makeup play in a decade now he
34:01
Speaker 1: might dropping dimes is not making a play. Right, run,
34:05
Speaker 1: jump over this guy, whip went six yards across your body.
34:07
Speaker 1: That's making a play. Brady doesn't do it, doesn't need
34:09
Speaker 1: to do it because he puts the ball in play
34:11
Speaker 1: so consistently that he doesn't need to do that. And so, Mike,
34:15
Speaker 1: my thing that I'm excited to watch on Jalen is
34:17
Speaker 1: is he evolved? Is has he evolved into a guy
34:21
Speaker 1: who's gonna build his game off of putting the ball
34:23
Speaker 1: and play And you think that that's easier than making
34:27
Speaker 1: a play, And it's not because I think quarterbacks would
34:30
Speaker 1: they get really good at what they need to do
34:32
Speaker 1: to survive. And if you've survived by being a playmaker, stop, start,
34:36
Speaker 1: cut back, drop a dime in there, and make an
34:38
Speaker 1: amazing throw. I just think if that's the foundation in
34:42
Speaker 1: your game and you and you would, you're more likely
34:46
Speaker 1: to make a play than just go through your progression
34:49
Speaker 1: with timing and accuracy and consistent footwork. If that's the case,
34:52
Speaker 1: I think you're gonna lose in the playoffs to somebody
34:54
Speaker 1: who does. And I think that's like Lamar Jackson is
34:57
Speaker 1: another example of that that Josh That's where he evolved.
35:00
Speaker 1: He was a playmate. Josh An was a playmaker who
35:03
Speaker 1: has learned Brian Dable, Ken Dorsey, all these people who
35:05
Speaker 1: have been in the room with him. Josh has gone
35:07
Speaker 1: from a playmaker who's learned how to put the ball
35:10
Speaker 1: in play and make a play when he needs to.
35:12
Speaker 1: That's where this this game is at right now. And
35:16
Speaker 1: my question on Jalen Hurts is is can he can
35:19
Speaker 1: He can the foundation of his game be putting the
35:20
Speaker 1: ball in play and making plays when he needs to.
35:23
Speaker 1: If not, then I think that we're going to continue
35:25
Speaker 1: to We're gonna continue to question Jalen. So two guys
35:29
Speaker 1: you mentioned making a play and putting the ball in play.
35:32
Speaker 1: Nobody exemplifies that more then Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen.
35:38
Speaker 1: And you said you've said in the past you've worked
35:40
Speaker 1: with Josh Allen that he is the best athlete to
35:44
Speaker 1: play the quarterback position. Explain that, Well, I mean, it's
35:49
Speaker 1: not It's not like. Here's here's my personal opinion. I
35:52
Speaker 1: just if you if you look at the strongest arms,
35:54
Speaker 1: he's at the top of the list, or he's whatever.
35:56
Speaker 1: I don't know. How you rank them anyways? Right, so
35:59
Speaker 1: he's top the top couple of arms. Ever, Um, older
36:03
Speaker 1: guys who know what they're talking about would agree, right,
36:05
Speaker 1: And then, um, you know, I don't care about forty
36:08
Speaker 1: times much, but he's clearly one of the best runners
36:12
Speaker 1: in the league. There's something that nobody's talked about this
36:14
Speaker 1: whole offseason. I gotta look up the guy's name. He
36:17
Speaker 1: trucked a linebacker from the Chiefs. He knocked him out
36:20
Speaker 1: of the game. And then three plays later he's running
36:23
Speaker 1: down the sideline and Sorenson, the safety who's the hard
36:25
Speaker 1: hitting safety from the Chiefs, turned him down on the
36:29
Speaker 1: sideline three plays later. Nobody talks about that. Right, We've
36:32
Speaker 1: seen him hurdle people, truck people. We've in the stuff arm.
36:34
Speaker 1: He's cut back a million times. He's got a spin move,
36:36
Speaker 1: he can use his blockers. He's a runner, he's a
36:39
Speaker 1: dynamic run threat. Nobody's saying, let's just not let him
36:44
Speaker 1: beat us with his arm. Let's make him beat us
36:45
Speaker 1: with his legs. No, because he's gonna beat you with
36:47
Speaker 1: his legs. So from a runner, from his from an
36:51
Speaker 1: explosiveness standpoint, to stop the start. Uh, And he's two fifty.
36:55
Speaker 1: He's not two oh six. And people say, well, Michael
36:58
Speaker 1: Vicks faster. Michael Vick was six ft one ninety whatever
37:01
Speaker 1: he was. You know what I mean, Guys, some of
37:03
Speaker 1: these guys are little. So Josh's massive. Josh is the
37:06
Speaker 1: biggest quarterback in the league. Probably, I'd have to you
37:09
Speaker 1: have to like give me a name right here. Um,
37:11
Speaker 1: but anybody who's remotely is close to the size of
37:13
Speaker 1: him does not run like him. And so I just
37:16
Speaker 1: look at the arm, the explosiveness and not just being fast.
37:19
Speaker 1: There's fast guys who aren't great runners. There's guys that
37:21
Speaker 1: aren't that fast that are great runners. Blake Portals ran
37:24
Speaker 1: four nine at the combine. He led all NFL quarterbacks
37:27
Speaker 1: in rushing two years in a row. Because he knows
37:29
Speaker 1: how to run, knows when to cut back, he sees
37:31
Speaker 1: the field. Uh. And I've been around fast guys. Another
37:35
Speaker 1: quarterback I played with in Jacksonville, Blaine Gabbert, is super fast,
37:39
Speaker 1: but we just never really saw him rip off sixty
37:42
Speaker 1: yarders and so, um, I just look at Josh and
37:46
Speaker 1: the whole pieces. I go, yeah, I mean, it's it's
37:49
Speaker 1: an open conversation, you know, with whoever the other names
37:53
Speaker 1: are but I I said this anti podcast, but like, but,
37:56
Speaker 1: but you can't compare him in Cam Newton. That's what
37:58
Speaker 1: people want to do, and I go as a er,
38:01
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't want to sit here and beat
38:02
Speaker 1: up on Camp. But you're you're not those those two
38:05
Speaker 1: are the same thing. Yeah, I couldn't couldn't agree more.
38:08
Speaker 1: I was being Chad to talk to this offseason about
38:10
Speaker 1: who is the best quarterback in football and I got
38:12
Speaker 1: a little heat from it for saying that was Josh Alex.
38:14
Speaker 1: People like what has he done? And I just took
38:16
Speaker 1: it from the standpoint of I'm just talking about the
38:18
Speaker 1: pure position, Like this guy is the best athlete to
38:21
Speaker 1: play the position. Like you just said, he can outrun
38:23
Speaker 1: people and if he needs, you can run through him.
38:25
Speaker 1: The guy he knocked down that game was actually Honey
38:27
Speaker 1: Badger for the Chiefs, So that that's He's just a freak.
38:31
Speaker 1: And I'm I'm looking at the business now and I'm
38:34
Speaker 1: actually just thinking about what your view is on Derek Carr.
38:37
Speaker 1: Like me and Chat are kind of not the biggest fanboys.
38:40
Speaker 1: We love Derek Carring. We gave him out last year
38:42
Speaker 1: forty tw one to lead the league in passing sounded crazy.
38:44
Speaker 1: He almost got there. I think he finished fourth this year.
38:48
Speaker 1: You know, be Chad didn't either of us have him
38:50
Speaker 1: in our top ten, but we have him right outside,
38:52
Speaker 1: Like we think there Carr is right there. Do you
38:54
Speaker 1: think with the weapons he has this year, he's gonna
38:57
Speaker 1: be back to the m v P. For me, he
38:58
Speaker 1: was all those years ago with the Mari coup. For
39:01
Speaker 1: I do, I do. I'm a big Derek Carr fan.
39:04
Speaker 1: And this is the thing, like who has dealt which
39:06
Speaker 1: quarterback has dealt with more bs outside of their control?
39:09
Speaker 1: Like I'm asking me who who else has dealt with
39:12
Speaker 1: in the last three years? More bs? Think about it
39:14
Speaker 1: like this too. When you have a B, when you
39:17
Speaker 1: sign a B in the offseason, right, it's not even
39:20
Speaker 1: that you're counting on a great player or whatever. It's
39:23
Speaker 1: that everything that you've talked about and designed is around that,
39:27
Speaker 1: whether he's opening up this guy, whether he's gonna get it.
39:30
Speaker 1: Like your whole philosophy of what you believe is going
39:33
Speaker 1: to work for this year was taken away from them
39:35
Speaker 1: in training camp in a I mean just unbelievable fashion,
39:40
Speaker 1: burned the house down on your way out and you're
39:43
Speaker 1: on hard knocks and all the I mean, who is, like,
39:47
Speaker 1: that's that's your whether you whether Derek even like Davy,
39:50
Speaker 1: doesn't matter. Like that's what you've seen the whole offense
39:52
Speaker 1: around right like that all of your meetings have been
39:54
Speaker 1: about this and then poof, it's gone and it's irreparable
39:58
Speaker 1: and it's way too late to get anybod else in here.
40:01
Speaker 1: It's freaking August, So like to deal with that and
40:04
Speaker 1: then NonStop, now I ever out without a quarterback to
40:07
Speaker 1: deal with this, but like the whole narrative for five
40:09
Speaker 1: years has been one of the Raiders gonna draft their
40:12
Speaker 1: quarterback right now. A lot of people deal with that.
40:14
Speaker 1: So I'm not that's not specific to Derek, but um,
40:18
Speaker 1: and then so then then you have the Grooten stuff.
40:20
Speaker 1: Then you have the Rugs stuff. Then you have like
40:22
Speaker 1: it's just been one thing after another and he barely
40:27
Speaker 1: lost Joe Burrow in the playoffs, you know what I mean,
40:30
Speaker 1: on the road and just strung it together in the
40:32
Speaker 1: last game versus the Charger, and so I just I'm
40:36
Speaker 1: just a fan kind of like waiting for like when's
40:38
Speaker 1: he going to catch a break? And boys, that certainly
40:41
Speaker 1: looked like this could be the year between Renfro being
40:44
Speaker 1: locked up Davante coming in. So I think Derek Carr
40:48
Speaker 1: has a breakout year. And what's crazy is the first
40:51
Speaker 1: year that he went off and when he broke his
40:53
Speaker 1: leg in Mexico City versus I think Houston. The stats
40:56
Speaker 1: that season, everyone he had arrived, right, he's on a
40:58
Speaker 1: hundred plus million dollar deal. Everyone's on the Derek car chain,
41:01
Speaker 1: and then they were off of it. The next two
41:03
Speaker 1: seasons he had better stats. He was better the following
41:06
Speaker 1: two seasons, and he was the year that we were
41:08
Speaker 1: all excited about. But it's just like that's the narrative, right,
41:11
Speaker 1: And so maybe it's because he's kind of dorky. Maybe
41:13
Speaker 1: it's because he wears his religion on a swinger because
41:16
Speaker 1: on his sleeve, or maybe because he doesn't wear sleeves, right,
41:18
Speaker 1: he's all gunned up. I don't know, but people just
41:20
Speaker 1: find it really easy to hate on this guy. But
41:23
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what, man, I got a lot of
41:24
Speaker 1: friends in Raider Nation, and they there are a lot
41:26
Speaker 1: of them. They asked me that question and I give
41:28
Speaker 1: the answer and they go good, Because that's what I
41:31
Speaker 1: think too. You know what, I mean, like, I think
41:33
Speaker 1: that's like the sentiment and raider nation. Um, and boy
41:36
Speaker 1: do I hope he has an awesome year. And and
41:38
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what if he if this year, if
41:41
Speaker 1: they win that division or coming second in that division
41:43
Speaker 1: and go to the playoffs, everybody needs to shut up
41:46
Speaker 1: coming out of that division he beat If he he
41:49
Speaker 1: ends up first or second in that division this year,
41:51
Speaker 1: it ain't gonna because they run game, because the defense
41:53
Speaker 1: and they've whipped on defensive picks. I forgot about that.
41:55
Speaker 1: They've completely botched picks. So he's you know what I mean,
41:59
Speaker 1: like empty handed here. And so yeah, I think Derek Carr,
42:03
Speaker 1: you know, I would put him ahead that guys like Murray.
42:07
Speaker 1: If Murray's on your list, Um, Derek wouldn't be number three,
42:10
Speaker 1: but he'd be on my list for sure. Yeah. There's
42:13
Speaker 1: seven to one right now in Las Vegas to win
42:15
Speaker 1: the a f C West, So pretty good odds there.
42:18
Speaker 1: That a f C West is so interesting because and
42:23
Speaker 1: I'd like to get your opinion on this, the Chiefs
42:27
Speaker 1: let Tyree hit Tyreek Hill go in a trade. People
42:31
Speaker 1: are still favoring the Chiefs to win the division based
42:34
Speaker 1: on Mahomes based on Andy Reid, based on the other
42:38
Speaker 1: weapons they have. You look at this you just mentioned,
42:42
Speaker 1: you know, three seasons ago, Antonio Brown. That's the plan.
42:46
Speaker 1: He disappears in training camp. When you lose a weapon
42:49
Speaker 1: like Tyreek Hill. The Chiefs don't win that a f
42:51
Speaker 1: C title game last year against the Bills, I mean
42:55
Speaker 1: the a f C playoff game against the Bills without
42:57
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, making the players from pat of my homes.
43:02
Speaker 1: How much do something like that impact the team that
43:04
Speaker 1: isn't being encounted for in these odds in the a
43:06
Speaker 1: C West. I think it's massive. I think the two
43:10
Speaker 1: plays in the a f C West are the Broncos
43:12
Speaker 1: and the Raiders. I haven't The Chargers haven't proven me
43:15
Speaker 1: that they're winners yet. And I know you you can
43:17
Speaker 1: because we look. We look at rosters, right, Chargers might
43:20
Speaker 1: be a top three roster, right, especially Derwin Healthy. He
43:24
Speaker 1: hadn't even played yet, right, he might be one of
43:26
Speaker 1: the best. I'll tell you about. NFL guys think Derwin
43:28
Speaker 1: James is one of the best defensive players in the league.
43:31
Speaker 1: That's the NFL players think, Right, you don't even played yet, right,
43:34
Speaker 1: So you look at that roster. But they had that
43:37
Speaker 1: roster last year. For the most part, they haven't really
43:40
Speaker 1: shown I don't know. I just I don't. I haven't
43:44
Speaker 1: seen that. I don't know how to say it, like
43:46
Speaker 1: they're not winners because they've won a bunch of games.
43:47
Speaker 1: But I just haven't seen that yet, right, even in
43:50
Speaker 1: Herbert in college, I haven't seen that yet, Right that
43:53
Speaker 1: like killer instinct win by all. I've seen that Mahomes already.
43:56
Speaker 1: I've seen a ton out of Russell Wilson. I've seen
44:00
Speaker 1: out of Derek Carr with a lesser roster figured out
44:02
Speaker 1: and be there in the end. I just haven't seen
44:04
Speaker 1: it with the Chargers. And I'm to your point, Terry
44:06
Speaker 1: Hill is not a receiver. He's not a good receiver.
44:09
Speaker 1: He's one of three people in the NFL who can
44:12
Speaker 1: score from any place on the field at any time.
44:14
Speaker 1: You don't those guys are not interchangeable, right, I just don't. Like,
44:19
Speaker 1: in my opinion, it's it's your mar Chason and and
44:22
Speaker 1: Alvin Kamara, and it's like, but those are aren't regular players,
44:26
Speaker 1: right when you when I can at any point score touchdown,
44:29
Speaker 1: and there's just I think there's only three like can
44:32
Speaker 1: make six people miss and score touchdown, then that's not
44:34
Speaker 1: an interchangeable piece. I know. I watched a video of
44:40
Speaker 1: you talking about Josh Allen in which you would text
44:44
Speaker 1: him things like, you know, congrats on being a Pro
44:47
Speaker 1: Bowl alternate and try to goat him a little bit
44:52
Speaker 1: because you know that's what motivate him. Motivates him. Of
44:55
Speaker 1: the quarterbacks you've coached, who manages and resid bonds to
45:01
Speaker 1: that kind of trash talk and feedback the best. Uh, Well,
45:06
Speaker 1: I think it's a case by case and and I
45:08
Speaker 1: don't know if it's more like I think I got
45:10
Speaker 1: that got turned into here's how I motivate him, And
45:13
Speaker 1: really it was just like here's how I talk trash
45:15
Speaker 1: with my friend. And I know the response is going
45:17
Speaker 1: to get um but I mean probably my brother in
45:22
Speaker 1: that case, Um yeah, just over the years, because it's
45:26
Speaker 1: not like a co I mean, you trained with me
45:29
Speaker 1: for a couple of years. At the end, I wouldn't
45:31
Speaker 1: say coach my brother, but um, but just knowing that
45:35
Speaker 1: the right little things too, because we grew up golfing
45:39
Speaker 1: and doing stuff, you know, and so like I kind
45:41
Speaker 1: of knew what could get under each other's skin, but
45:42
Speaker 1: also knew I could get the other guy going, you
45:45
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And so I'd have to really
45:48
Speaker 1: think about some examples, but um, but yeah, definitely my brother,
45:51
Speaker 1: just because that that was the report. Nobody talks more
45:53
Speaker 1: trash than my brother. Sometimes it's funny, sometimes it's sarcastic.
45:57
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's like if it's a big time putt and
45:59
Speaker 1: it's for the way, and sometimes it's really true ship
46:01
Speaker 1: that he said, you know what I mean, I think
46:03
Speaker 1: so he knows how knows how to um, you know,
46:07
Speaker 1: strum those strings. Uh, and so I think I learned
46:09
Speaker 1: it from him and giving it back to him over
46:11
Speaker 1: the years. Uh. Quickly, before we let you go, I
46:15
Speaker 1: want to talk about college football for a second, because
46:18
Speaker 1: you're obviously looking at a lot of college football quarterbacks
46:22
Speaker 1: already a lot of talk about what this class looks like.
46:26
Speaker 1: Do you have thoughts on not who the best quarterbacks
46:29
Speaker 1: are that we're already talking about, but who are some
46:31
Speaker 1: of the quarterbacks that we should be thinking about as
46:34
Speaker 1: betters running teams that maybe aren't as sort of in
46:38
Speaker 1: the public eye, but their quarterbacks are good enough to
46:43
Speaker 1: keep games close. Yeah. I mean, obviously there's the three
46:46
Speaker 1: guys at the top, you know, C. J. Stroud. Look,
46:49
Speaker 1: you're gonna bet how Sat However you battle House State.
46:52
Speaker 1: Same thing with Bama with Bryce Kentucky is a little
46:55
Speaker 1: different because Will Levice. I think it's gonna have a
46:57
Speaker 1: chance to be a really high pick, maybe the top pick.
46:59
Speaker 1: We'll see. Um but lostes O c Lost is wide out.
47:04
Speaker 1: It's in the it's in, it's in the SEC. So
47:06
Speaker 1: that's that's one of those, um, you know, superstar player.
47:09
Speaker 1: We'll see how the team ends up being, uh and
47:12
Speaker 1: how much they can carry him if it's in a
47:13
Speaker 1: lesser conference than a great quarterback and just carry that
47:15
Speaker 1: team all the way through in the SEC. That's not
47:17
Speaker 1: necessarily the case. If you can't stop somebody, you can't
47:20
Speaker 1: stop somebody kind of thing. Um. But there's a couple
47:23
Speaker 1: of other names that I think those three you guys
47:25
Speaker 1: will be great pros. A couple of their names that
47:26
Speaker 1: come to mind. UM one is Cameron Rising from you Utah.
47:30
Speaker 1: People got finally got a chance to see him play
47:32
Speaker 1: last year versa ohiuse State and that shootout. Cam Rising
47:35
Speaker 1: is a baller. He's a great playmaker. Um as I
47:38
Speaker 1: talked about earlier, putting the ball in play and making
47:40
Speaker 1: plays and uh, and I think he's really accurate with
47:43
Speaker 1: deep balls, um, which in college football is a lot
47:47
Speaker 1: big part of the game. Another guy is Devin Leary
47:51
Speaker 1: from n C State North Carolina State, fifth year senior. UM,
47:55
Speaker 1: highly recruited kid, and boys just all clicking for him.
47:58
Speaker 1: He's got a stud wide receiver, he's got a really
48:00
Speaker 1: good coach. UM. He can rip it as good as
48:03
Speaker 1: anybody in the country. UM. And he's been at Manning,
48:07
Speaker 1: and he's been at the Manning. I was out of
48:08
Speaker 1: Manning with him, and like forty college guys, I was
48:10
Speaker 1: at the Lead eleven with him, and a couple with
48:12
Speaker 1: Bryce and and c J and and some of these guys.
48:15
Speaker 1: And Uh, he can spend his good name around the country. UM.
48:17
Speaker 1: And so that's a there's a not a long shot,
48:20
Speaker 1: but there's a good like follow the wolf Pack here
48:22
Speaker 1: this year. Uh. And then the third one is this
48:25
Speaker 1: is who I love is University of Houston Clayton tune.
48:29
Speaker 1: So Houston is kind of like Cincinnati. They've kind of
48:32
Speaker 1: won like nine or ten games a few years in
48:34
Speaker 1: a row. Dana Holgerson has had some really good quarterbacks,
48:37
Speaker 1: He's had some really good receivers. UM. This might be
48:40
Speaker 1: his best quarterback in his best receiver he's had, uh
48:43
Speaker 1: Tank Dell, little tiny white out who's I mean just electric?
48:47
Speaker 1: He He might be one of the best playmakers in
48:50
Speaker 1: college football this year that nobody knows about Logan number one.
48:53
Speaker 1: UM and so Houston is another team to watch UM
48:56
Speaker 1: and I like, you know, when I look at it
48:58
Speaker 1: from the betting landscape, like the school that nobody cares
49:02
Speaker 1: about outside of that fan base that like should be
49:05
Speaker 1: way better than people think, largely because the quarterback play,
49:08
Speaker 1: like I said with Will Levis, sometimes no matter how
49:11
Speaker 1: good the quarterback is when you're on an SCC team,
49:13
Speaker 1: if you're not, if it's not close on special teams
49:16
Speaker 1: and d line in secondary, then it can it can.
49:19
Speaker 1: It can get ugly. But at a lower level you
49:22
Speaker 1: can win eleven games just off a good quarterback play
49:24
Speaker 1: actually can outscore people. UM. That's why I think of
49:28
Speaker 1: it's Houston. UM, They're gonna pick off where Cincinnati left off.
49:31
Speaker 1: I've worked at a dozen ras the last few years.
49:33
Speaker 1: I just just kind of see that learned that conference better.
49:36
Speaker 1: UM and Houston has all the writing on the wall
49:38
Speaker 1: to have one of those teams where you go people
49:40
Speaker 1: don't really pay attention to Houston, and all of a sudden,
49:42
Speaker 1: you know they don't lose. So the no, they don't
49:44
Speaker 1: lose or they don't lose until a big time Bowl game.
49:48
Speaker 1: Jordan's I feel like the biggest takeaway from this will
49:50
Speaker 1: probably be I was right about Russell Wilson and Simon
49:54
Speaker 1: was wrong. So for that alone, I appreciate you uh
49:58
Speaker 1: coming on the Favorite It's podcast from the Volume Podcast Network.
50:04
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50:11
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