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TRUMP 50-Year Mortgages Are GREAT. Crazy Candace Keeps Clowning | The Mark Driscoll Show | Ep 06 · The Mark Driscoll Show

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  Well, howdy and welcome back to the Mark Driscoll Show.
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  I'm Pastor Lana Chase and you do not want to miss today's show.
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  Pastor Mark's kicking things off with a the great ministry of
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  Mike Cosper, a powerful monologue on Candace Owens, the
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  CNN debacle on how Christians can spot deception and culture
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  built on lies. We're also joined by a special
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  guest, Pastor John Lovell, Howdy, Howdy Howdy, former Armor
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  mortgage plan. How the unchecked immigration is
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  ruining the soul of America. It's truth, courage and the word
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  All right gents, we have a fun one for you.
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  A bit of shock and awe on this one.
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  Let me just read it for you. How does chat GB TS new erotica
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  content offer opportunities to share the gospel?
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  2 great theologians discussed with a philosopher, Brandon
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  Ricoba. So let me ask my two favorite
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  pastors. So, is there an opportunity to
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  share the gospel in the AI porn industry?
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  Who even came up with this? I mean, you know, when, when you
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  have these meetings. Got work.
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  Some guy around the table's like, I know a guy who's been
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  watching ChatGPT erotica, and he thinks there's a way to use this
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  for Jesus. Yeah.
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  And it's like, well, I wonder who that might be?
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  I think you'd catch an STD looking at any of their search
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  histories that that say if anyone involved with this that's
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  don't even open their computer, hold it in a distance, hit it
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  with a flamethrower, you don't open that thing up.
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  But I do think there is great gospel opportunity attached to
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  this. I would love to share the gospel
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  with the staff of Christianity Today.
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  I'd love to share the gospel with Mike Cosper.
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  Anyone attached to this project, anyone that thought this was OK,
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  I would love them to meet Jesus because they definitely do not
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  know Jesus. This is perverted.
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  This is gross. I don't even know what to think
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  about this. I've no there.
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  I don't know what to say. This is awful.
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  Awful. Photo of a guy with the goggles
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  but we can't see his hands. And we don't want to.
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  That's not a request, Senator, that this is not a request.
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  This this is like this, this, this would be great at the
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  Babylon being and you know, this is the equivalent saying how
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  does a strip club provide a gospel opportunity answer?
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  It doesn't. The exit sign is as close as you
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  get. The great thing I'm being told
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  is that it has gotten 13 likes by the 250,000 people that have
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  seen this article so. Far.
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  That's one of their wives flicking 13 tires.
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  That's it. That is, I mean, but there's
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  nothing else to talk about. That's the worst ratio probably
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  in Internet history, probably nearly 300,000 views and 13
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  likes. Yeah, the pervs aren't clicking.
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  They're like, yeah, life's going to know.
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  And it's all, it's all Christianity Today staff.
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  There's 13 people that they're required to.
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  Yeah. We occasionally do that to our
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  staff, but you have to like this.
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  Christianity did today. Christian Today.
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  Our we'll just move on. Yes, our thoughts and prayers
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  are with you. They are.
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  They are. Yes.
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  And then another great St. We would love to roll her clip.
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  Candace Owens most recent really fun debacle with an interview.
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  I just keep hearing Ozzy Osbourne's crazy train.
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  In my mind, I feel like everybody's riding that train
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  today. Oh, for sure.
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  OK. When you say you believe that
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  Charlie Kirk was betrayed by someone close to him, what do
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  you mean? I think that in the coming
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  weeks, there's going to be a lot of financial reports that are
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  coming out. And I first and foremost do not
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  believe that Tyler Robinson killed Charlie Kirk.
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  I'm going to be very clear on that, whether he was involved.
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  I think the answer is yes. I think that's obvious and.
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  Your basis for saying he didn't act alone is what?
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  I don't know, maybe the weird Fed messages that were concocted
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  out of thin air that had no time stamp and were written like they
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  were were speaking in 1822, among other things, their lack
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  of an ability to answer any basic questions about what took
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  place. Do you?
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  Have any proof that the messages were made-up?
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  Because that would be easily, yeah, proven.
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  Yeah, but they didn't put timestamps on them and Discord
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  came out and said they didn't exist, that this.
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  Was supposedly a text messages, not discord messages.
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  It's my understanding from the indictment.
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  I I actually did not read that they were text messages.
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  The indictment caused them text messages.
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  What would it be like? Like, like the feds are like on
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  a computer? Like, yeah, I'd bring it out
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  back in exactly what it is. The feds made-up the text
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  messages. But you don't have anyone from
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  like the FBI telling you that or what?
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  I forge missed. OK, No.
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  Has anyone leaked? And Tyler Robinson, has anyone
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  said to you, even off the record, like, yeah, we faked
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  these? I have very strong sources
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  everywhere on both sides. Well, I look forward to seeing
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  the evidence of that. Sure.
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  Because when we see keep talking about evidence, it's like, who's
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  going? To so what's the point?
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  Why, why is why? Why does she just keep going
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  with if what feels like no evidence?
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  So she's lost touch with reality.
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  And you know, honestly, from a pastoral perspective, I feel
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  sorry for her. I pray for her.
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  If she has a husband who is present or she's got a pastor
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  who cares, she needs to get an evaluation.
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  And honestly, she needs to take a break because she's become
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  obsessed with Charlie Kirk in a way that is really unhealthy for
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  a married woman. And also, she's tried to make
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  herself the de facto defender and spokesperson for the legacy
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  of Charlie Kirk. And that is the sole discretion
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  of his wife, Erica, who did an incredible job on her interview
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  this week. And she's a really remarkable,
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  incredible grieving widow. But this is the problem with the
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  Internet is the crazier you are, the more attention you get, but
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  the less helpful you are. And so in ministry as a pastor,
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  our goal is always, you know, oral pastors like, how do we be
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  the most helpful? And on the Internet, it's how do
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  I get the most attention? Well, those are two wildly
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  different things. And things like this, they get a
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  lot of attention, but they don't provide any help whatsoever.
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  Does it push you to an extreme, that carrot of attention that
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  always does that? Because I mean, for years
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  Candace has put out in content. I haven't ever watched tons of
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  her content, but just to drip over the years it's been good
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  stuff overall of OK, so it it this isn't a newer Candace.
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  That's just wild conspiratorial conjecture without any hard
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  evidence correct. Is this is something's happened
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  recently, right? Yeah, I mean, as a pastor, if
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  this was somebody, let me just ask you this.
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  If this person was attending your church as a pastor, what
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  would your what would your encouragement be to this married
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  couple? Yeah, immediately unplugged from
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  all this stuff. Let's take a retreat.
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  Let's on put. Yeah, it it'd be that, It'd be
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  that this is overtaken, you know?
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  Yeah, and it's and it becomes, it becomes conspiratorial in a
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  way that really you're living a fear based paranoid life.
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  You know, I mean, when you reach the point where you're like the
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  guy who killed Charlie didn't kill Charlie.
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  And, you know, I have sources from the feds.
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  I mean, and I think she says, you know, I counted 3 times in
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  that short clip. You're at a point where you've
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  sort of lost touch with reality. And when people live online and
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  they live in conspiracy theories and they live in chats and
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  comments, eventually those people start to develop mental
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  health problems and there's a break from reality.
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  And, and what we're seeing here, I mean, I, I hope we're not
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  seeing this, but I think what we're seeing is literally the
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  implosion of a human being online.
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  You know this is like watching a car wreck in slow motion.
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  Well, I don't like this. I do sympathize with.
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  I don't have trust for a lot of our institutions of power and
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  media art. Yeah.
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  So she's scratching an itch that I share as well, but this looks
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  crazy. But when Erica Kirk says, you
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  know, she said in the interview that she did with Jesse Waters
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  that she's confident that Tyler Robinson was the killer of her
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  husband, well, let's let her be the authority on that, she said.
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  I've seen all the evidence and, you know, a missed quarter.
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  But like if someone is killed, the person who has the authority
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  on that assassination is the wife.
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  And, and how confident would you have to be to turn your son in
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  that he was the assassin. Dad turned him in, probably for
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  a death penalty. Well, and is a Mormon youth
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  pastor who I think also was somehow connected to law
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  enforcement and so. A dad's not going to live into a
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  government conspiracy and turn a son.
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  And his dad's a cop, right? He was.
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  Yeah, he was. OK, and this is it too, Like let
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  it play out in the courts. Let the evidence be presented,
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  let things run their course. But this is the doubling down
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  and and this is where at the end of the day, let me ask you this,
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  Pastor John, what would be better use of your time as a
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  human being than following this in great detail?
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  Man, insert almost anything. I mean, we've been embroiled in
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  a terrible culture war of we're losing trust in all of our
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  institutions of power. Families are being utterly
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  destroyed of what you you could, you could throw a dart
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  blindfolded and hit something that would be more edifying than
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  this. I don't see any benefit to this.
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  And now if there was truth to it, present your hard evidence
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  in total presented not. I have my leaks, I have my
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  sources. Trust me.
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  And here's my like, I think I think give us hard evidence
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  right here back, back. If you have it, deliver it.
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  And if you don't shut up. So.
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  You alluded to a minute ago, you live.
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  You live in a world. I mean, you're in the gun world
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  and you are far right conservative.
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  You're not crazy far right, but I'm sure you have a lot of
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  dealings with a lot of very far right people that are looking
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  looking for the conspiracies. How does a Christian father, you
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  know, CERN that for their family in this time what to believe,
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  what not to believe? Where do you get your source of
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  truth? How are you leading through?
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  That it's good, you know, in terms of where I am on spectrum
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  of left, right or far. I, I really like, I really love
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  America. I'm a constitutionalist, I'm a
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  patriot. I love Bible.
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  I love family. And a lot of people, they want
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  to label you by saying you're far right, you're you're a crazy
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  over here. I'm like, I love family, I
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  believe in our constitution, Declaration of Independence.
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  That's it. Nothing, nothing insane, nothing
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  that's going to get huge clicks on Instagram.
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  I I love Bible and that's my standard of truth right there.
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  And and so I would like people to stop being crazy all the
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  time. Practice a little bit of
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  discernment. Let's suspend judgment before we
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  tribalistically all jump on bandwagons, which is what's
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  happening. It's a thing happens immediately
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  choose your side. Whose side are you on?
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  Go all, end we and now. Double down in spite of the
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  evidence. That's right, and now it's
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  confirmation bias. No matter what you see, you're
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  going to see it through the lens of what you've already pre
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  established in your snap judgment that happened the
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  moment the headline broke. Nobody's reading deeply, no one
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  saying, well, let's see where the investigation goes.
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  And so that is a real big problem because that means we're
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  tribalistically ready to grab pitchforks and torches, picket
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  anybody that happens to land a little bit outside of our tribe.
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  And it just continues to snowball until it breaks.
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  All alliance, all trust, all fellowship.
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  And it it's it's a race to the bottom.
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  It's just going to be the utter destruction of everything while
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  you get huge views. Yeah.
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  Well, and, and in that too, if you, if you are a Christian or
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  claim to be a Christian, you've got to think about things like
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  Jesus says the Satan is the father of lies.
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  It's like, am I, am I, am I intentionally, frequently lying?
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  Then that would be bad. Jesus says that we'll be judged
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  for every word we speak. If you claim Christ, you've at
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  least got to begin. We talked about this a little
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  bit yesterday with, you know, some fear of the Lord, that it
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  doesn't matter what the clicks are and it doesn't matter what
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  the platform, you know, rewards. It matters if I'm claiming
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  Christ, that I'm trying to conduct myself in a way that is
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  truthful, knowing that I'm going to stand before him and give an
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  account for all of the content that I'm disseminating.
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  And so to me, this is there's just a practical point where,
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  yeah, we don't trust those who are traditional legacy media,
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  rightly and understandably so. But if someone claims to be a
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  Christian, they should at least be making an attempt to act or
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  live functionally as a Christian.
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  That's good and and just wild speculation and untruths and
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  lies. There's nothing in the Bible
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  that supports that. There's nothing in the Christian
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  life that would promote that. If she's got hard evidence, I'd
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  like to see it and I'm open to reason show it to me and and
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  then we'll we'll go from there. And if not, this is not helpful.
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  This is destroying. This is yeah, this is harmful.
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  It feels like an attack really on the right because there's
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  becoming too many divisions in the right.
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  And you said that when you're when you're losing, everyone's
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  unified. But when you're winning, all of
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  a sudden it's like, oh, there's factions of the right and.
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  It's it's tribalism, it's tribal chiefs and tribes.
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  And it's like, there's Tucker Carlson, there's Candace Owens,
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  there's, you know, Steve Dace is a friend of mine and I
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  appreciate him. There's Glenn Beck.
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  There's different people who have different tribes and some
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  are far better at telling the truth and being consistent and
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  living within their their Christian convictions and others
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  are wildly out of bounds. Where you see us being in a few
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  years with where the right, I mean, Charlie was really a
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  unifier here. We've lost Charlie.
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  Put a few years on the clock until the next election.
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  Where? Where will the right be?
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  Well, right now it seems to be reading The Lord of the Flies
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  and thinking that's a good playbook.
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  And So what you've got is tribes that are now fighting over
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  market share, meaning they've lost sight of the nation and the
• 16:49
  good of the whole. And, and again, like we talked
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  about offline landed, like when you're the when you're the
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  minority, you hold together. So like right now with the
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  election in New York, like everybody who was not a
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  Republican hung together. As soon as you're in power, it's
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  really hard to maintain humility and unity.
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  And and this is just the, the default of human nature is just
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  to to steal, kill and destroy. I mean, that's just the default
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  of the flesh. And So what I'm seeing right
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  now, even among younger, you know, people on the right, my
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  concern is always this, are you a conservative who says you're a
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  Christian or you a Christian who has your convictions push you
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  toward conservatism? And there's a big difference
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  because if it's Christ and then your political convictions,
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  conservatism, then you have a fear of God.
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  You're under authority. You're submitting to scriptures,
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  you're submitting to right spiritual authority, which is
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  going to keep you from being really dangerous if you are a
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  conservative and just name Christ, but there's really no
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  authority over you, No Fear of God, no respect of Scripture, no
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  participation in a local church community, no honoring of any
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  spiritual authority. I think you're very, very, very
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  dangerous, right? And, and I think that that's
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  where you're starting to see those who are very, very
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  conservative claiming Christ. You wonder if they actually know
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  Christ. Here's something when I see
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  somebody who's a conservative should be home team and they
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  claim Christ and they have the agenda of Christ, so to speak,
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  but they don't really have the fruits of the spirit.
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  And so one one thing that irritates me about Candace Owens
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  is she is converted to Christianity, she claims, but
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  every time I see her, if you just pause the screen at any
• 18:35
  moment, she has this look of just disgust, this contempt.
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  And I'm like how that there's not a huge talking point there.
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  I'm just saying of like I would, I would like us to grow to have
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  the love, gentleness, kindness, goodness.
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  I would like the spirit of Christ as well to couple with
• 18:54
  our agenda. And when I don't see the fruits
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  of the spirit with somebody who is espousing the agenda of
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  Christ, I grow a little concerned.
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  I'm like, where are you going to be?
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  Because when I'm, I like to, I've got a bunch of different
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  people that I'll listen to and I don't need to agree completely
• 19:10
  with everyone. I listen to a lot of people
• 19:12
  today were so tribalistic and mentality of like, Oh, I like
• 19:15
  Mark Driscoll until you said that one thing and now you're
• 19:18
  dead to me. I'm canceling you.
• 19:20
  I'm never listening to you. I'm going to take to the
• 19:22
  Internet and and if you find one thing someone doesn't.
• 19:25
  Like, that's just a hypothetical.
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  It's just a hyper. It's never happened you.
• 19:29
  Say right before the show, you agree with everything you've
• 19:31
  never said. I don't agree.
• 19:32
  It's. Obviously I don't agree with
• 19:35
  everything thing you've ever said.
• 19:36
  It's like I don't agree with everything I've ever said.
• 19:39
  We sent mugs to his house because he's like, I don't agree
• 19:41
  with most things I've said or a lot of her I've said her stuff.
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  It's like. Who can how can we possibly have
• 19:48
  any report any unity if the litmus test is is I need to
• 19:52
  agree with everything you say and if not, I'm going to
• 19:56
  unsubscribe trash you of like. Here, that's your MO.
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  You cannot be married. Yeah, that's right.
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  That's right. But what I'm seeing now is I'm
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  pretty good, I think, at listening to a whole bunch of
• 20:09
  voices and a lot of different opinions.
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  And I can like, oh, I like that. I don't like that.
• 20:15
  And it's a bit of a buffet, but I don't get viscerally upset.
• 20:17
  That's. Discernment.
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  Right. But now a lot of our influencers
• 20:22
  I'm seeing is this, they're grow, they're going to these
• 20:24
  extremes where I'm like, I can't follow you there, man.
• 20:27
  I got to unfollow and I'm not the unfollow guy.
• 20:29
  What would be an extreme I'm? Pretty I love Tucker Carlson
• 20:35
  historically, but of like Nick Fuentes stuff and celebrating
• 20:40
  Stalin and about that. That's where I don't like that
• 20:43
  Tucker gave him that right hand of fellowship and man, I'm, I'm,
• 20:48
  I'm up to even right this moment.
• 20:50
  I still am a member of his network.
• 20:53
  And I'm like, do I turn that off of like, I really don't like
• 20:56
  where is Tucker going? Yeah, where's.
• 20:58
  I don't need all of his opinions.
• 20:59
  I don't have to approve all of his guests.
• 21:01
  He does his thing. It's a bit of a buffet, but if
• 21:03
  he's going to exalt someone like that, I've got a problem.
• 21:06
  So I have a problem with evil. Yeah.
• 21:10
  And a a profoundly racist human being that has done nothing is
• 21:16
  evil. Yeah.
• 21:17
  And as a Christian, you have to call evil evil if you want to
• 21:21
  maintain any dignity and you want to have any respectability.
• 21:26
  And so, you know, to me, like racism at that level is evil.
• 21:32
  And I'm, and I'm talking, you know, just the overt statements
• 21:36
  of, I mean, it's just, it's racist, it's evil, it's ungodly,
• 21:42
  it's wrong, it's dangerous. And it is not to be, you know,
• 21:48
  softly handled and promoted. Not if you claim Christ.
• 21:53
  And again, if you don't know Christ, I don't expect as much
• 21:56
  from you. But for those who claim Christ,
• 21:58
  the expectation has to be higher.
• 22:01
  So both of you have sons that you, you've launched your sons,
• 22:05
  you are raising sons. It feels like the the world of
• 22:09
  nuances is starting to go out the window.
• 22:12
  It's like you said, you're taking from this that like, but
• 22:14
  it's harder with how extreme people are getting.
• 22:17
  What would be the advice both of you would give to your one piece
• 22:21
  of advice on discerning this culture and who to listen to?
• 22:26
  Oh, people won't like mine? You want to go first.
• 22:28
  Yeah, so you know Paul says just seek to live a quiet life and
• 22:32
  stay busy with your hands. And you know there so much of
• 22:37
  what is information is distraction.
• 22:40
  Like find your girl, marry her, find your house, purchase it,
• 22:46
  have your kids, raise them, join your church, serve there, keep
• 22:51
  yourself busy with your first responsibilities.
• 22:54
  A lot of what we get worked about, we have no jurisdiction
• 22:58
  order. Like, you know, I, there's a lot
• 23:01
  of things you can get upset about.
• 23:02
  Like is there anything you can do about it?
• 23:04
  No. Then take that energy and put it
• 23:05
  toward the people and things that God gives you
• 23:08
  responsibility for. And, and I would say especially
• 23:11
  for, for young men who get into the political sphere and older
• 23:14
  men to get into the political sphere.
• 23:16
  It's like, turn your phone off, pick up your Bible, go play with
• 23:19
  your kids, go play with your grandkids, go make somebody
• 23:22
  else's life better. You know, do some things, not
• 23:25
  just react to some things. Yeah, I love it.
• 23:29
  All right, John. I'm introducing my kids to the
• 23:32
  world. I'm letting them know I'm not
• 23:34
  hiding them under a rock. I'm the one introducing them to
• 23:37
  all this stuff. And so the stuff that's
• 23:39
  happening, even a lot of the grotesque stuff, all the rainbow
• 23:43
  flag agenda, I'm, I'm letting my 11 and 13 year old know what's
• 23:47
  out there, how we respond to that, how we filter through it.
• 23:50
  But the thing I'm not doing is giving them phones with high
• 23:53
  speed Internet access so that they can tackle all the world's
• 23:57
  issues and all the world's perversions.
• 24:00
  Like they could log on anywhere they could, they could log into
• 24:03
  Christianity Today and have unbridled access.
• 24:06
  Do you know how perverted it's becoming?
• 24:09
  Q The opening shot that we had for this show, they have like,
• 24:13
  there's all kinds of really grotesque stuff out there and
• 24:16
  and kids are not meant to process the horrors of the
• 24:20
  world. The moment you hand a child a
• 24:22
  cell phone, their childhood is over.
• 24:25
  The moment you hand a kid to phone their kid, their childhood
• 24:28
  is over. And you get to decide when that
• 24:30
  is. You want to do it at 9:00 going
• 24:32
  to do it. You get to decide.
• 24:33
  And so my 11 and 13 year old we we have a happy home and a
• 24:38
  refuge. We sing worship songs as a
• 24:41
  family and and we. Play guitar.
• 24:43
  Hypothetically. Try to play guitar.
• 24:48
  This is discerning and fair, but you know, about a year ago I
• 24:52
  started well, I stuck at singing.
• 24:54
  I do want to lead my family and worship.
• 24:56
  What can I do? I could do guitar.
• 24:58
  I'm like, I can't do a guitar. I'm like, I will learn guitar
• 25:00
  from my family. And so we have a great time and
• 25:02
  we do that and we read books and we have lots of fires and we go
• 25:06
  for walks and we go for rides and we have a blast of game
• 25:10
  nights and making food and, you know, all kinds of fun stuff.
• 25:16
  And it's good happy stuff of I engage in the war of ideas out
• 25:22
  there as a man. And then I come home to my
• 25:24
  refuge where my kids are able to be safe and I educate them about
• 25:26
  it because one day they're going to need to be strong enough to
• 25:29
  contend the battlefield of ideas.
• 25:30
  And that's not now, that's later.
• 25:32
  So you spend all this time to make them strong, prepare them,
• 25:35
  and don't let them get taken out by all these pernicious
• 25:37
  ideologies that will crush your kids before they even get in the
• 25:41
  fight. You wouldn't send a dude off the
• 25:44
  street straight to war, you'd send them to basic training and
• 25:46
  AIT and wherever else you wanted to go to get them trained up so
• 25:50
  that you don't immediately throw them into combat and they die
• 25:52
  because they have no training. Similarly, our kids are growing
• 25:56
  up and before they're men, I want them trained and
• 25:58
  strengthened so that they can interact in a dangerous world.
• 26:02
  So good. So good.
• 26:03
  Thank you. And you mean mine not Pastor
• 26:05
  Mark, just his was OK. Mine was tense.
• 26:08
  I get intense. It's like people we're.
• 26:10
  Taking up We're drinking our coffee like.
• 26:12
  Yeah, I mean I had all the grandkids last night, so I still
• 26:15
  have the grandkid hangover. They were on your hard for about
• 26:17
  5 hours. Sure, sit down.
• 26:19
  You're a great granddad. It's so fun to see you interact
• 26:23
  with grandkids. It'd be shocking for a lot of
• 26:27
  your critics to see you down on the floor playing with
• 26:30
  grandkids. And it's super fun.
• 26:33
  Super toddlers. It's so great.
• 26:35
  It's so great y'all understand each other.
• 26:37
  We do. We like the same.
• 26:39
  Scene Hey, India is an intellectual.
• 26:42
  So good, it's good, it's good. All right, so fun thing happened
• 26:48
  the last month. The government shutdown.
• 26:50
  Crazy the world kept going. You heard about it.
• 26:53
  I couldn't. I didn't see it.
• 26:55
  We didn't experience it in any. Way.
• 26:57
  So I guess if you're traveling trying to get on an airplane,
• 26:59
  then you noticed it otherwise. Yeah, yeah.
• 27:02
  Or you're one of the one in eight people that are on SNAP
• 27:06
  benefits and that's what we want to talk about.
• 27:08
  So the government is providing food benefits to one in eight
• 27:13
  people. Wow. 12% it's that's in in
• 27:17
  places like New Mexico, it's 21% of the.
• 27:20
  Population. And Christians are divided on
• 27:23
  this issue because should we be helping the poor feed them?
• 27:28
  Should if somebody doesn't work, should they not eat?
• 27:32
  So it's a nuance. I don't know if it's a nuance.
• 27:35
  Should should the government be the one stepping in and
• 27:38
  providing? I feel like that's probably
• 27:39
  where the discussion really lies.
• 27:41
  So, so the SNAP benefits and I pulled up the Pew data today so
• 27:45
  I, you know, appear prepared, but it started during World War
• 27:51
  2 when so many supplies were being sent overseas for the war
• 27:56
  effort that things were tough at the homeland.
• 28:00
  Then once the war was over, it was originally, you know,
• 28:03
  welfare, food stamps, different terms, but then it was
• 28:07
  reinstituted during Lyndon B Johnson and the great increase
• 28:12
  in government. And so, you know, in the history
• 28:15
  of our nation, this is actually fairly new, but for some people,
• 28:19
  they think it's been around forever because they are multi
• 28:21
  generational dependent, right? And and I pulled it up too.
• 28:26
  It's interesting. So the majority of people that
• 28:28
  are receiving the benefits, their ages 25 to 44 and 45 to
• 28:33
  64, those are the two largest categories.
• 28:35
  So it's not just senior citizens and elderly people.
• 28:39
  In addition, this is a wild one. If it's a single mother, you're
• 28:43
  looking at 46% are for 46% of the recipients are single
• 28:48
  mothers. Only 5% are single fathers.
• 28:52
  So statistically, if you have a dad, you don't more fathers,
• 28:57
  less government. If you have a dad, we don't need
• 29:00
  this program. If you don't have a, a godly,
• 29:03
  you know, a functional male present, then the government
• 29:06
  steps in to fill the gap. But then it creates multiple
• 29:09
  generations of dependency. So if all of a sudden that is
• 29:13
  not needed, then men just get women pregnant or they exit
• 29:16
  their marriage, they abandoned their children, and then the
• 29:19
  government has to come in and fill the gap.
• 29:21
  But now you've got multiple generations that are being
• 29:23
  raised with no strong male presence and no father figure
• 29:26
  and no provider, which just creates generations of the
• 29:29
  problem. And so, well, it may seem nice,
• 29:32
  there is a, you know, there is this sentimentality of like,
• 29:36
  will we provide something? We're meeting a need, yes, but
• 29:38
  are we, are we extending the problem by meeting the need?
• 29:42
  There's an interesting book called When Helping Hurts and it
• 29:45
  talks about development in foreign countries where
• 29:48
  missionaries would go in and they'd meet all the needs.
• 29:50
  But then the people didn't have any entrepreneurialism, they
• 29:53
  didn't have any self motivation, they didn't take on any self
• 29:57
  responsibility. And so the the wild thing is too
• 30:01
  just for data. And then we can get into the
• 30:03
  theological of it is in fiscal year 2022.
• 30:08
  It's larger now, but this is the latest data from the Pew
• 30:10
  Research. The government spent 119 billion
• 30:14
  on SNAP and SNAP is one of the largest federal social welfare
• 30:20
  programs. It is it is right, right there
• 30:25
  with Medicaid. And here's what's wild It's
• 30:29
  similar in amount to veterans benefits.
• 30:34
  Wow. So SNAP and veterans benefits
• 30:37
  are corollary in the national budget.
• 30:41
  And so from the from the Bible standpoint, the Bible says
• 30:46
  nothing about the government feeding people.
• 30:49
  Doesn't historically most governments like the government
• 30:53
  in Egypt that was against Moses? They're starving people.
• 30:58
  Herod tried to kill the children, not feed the children.
• 31:02
  Daniel is taken captive by the Babylonians.
• 31:05
  Historically, the government is an enemy of God and has no
• 31:09
  obligation to do godly things because it's so ungodly.
• 31:13
  And the problem with most Christians, they read the Bible
• 31:16
  and they think that all the commands are for the government.
• 31:18
  It's not for the government. Historically, the way that needs
• 31:22
  are met is first and foremost, there's a lot of pressure put on
• 31:25
  men to feed their families. The Bible says if a man does not
• 31:28
  provide for the needs of his family, he's denied the faith
• 31:30
  and he's worse than an unbeliever.
• 31:32
  So the first responsibility there needs to be a culture.
• 31:35
  If you're going to be biblical, there has to be a cultural
• 31:38
  pressure put on men to be protectors and providers of
• 31:40
  women and children. It's good.
• 31:41
  The Bible also says that if you don't work, you don't eat.
• 31:45
  And so, you know, unless you have some sort of medical
• 31:48
  condition or you know, you're incapable of contributing, you
• 31:52
  shouldn't be a dependent. You should be a contributor in
• 31:55
  some way. Furthermore, you know, if we're
• 31:57
  going to give people benefits, we also have an incredible
• 32:01
  number of remote government jobs.
• 32:02
  And my question is, if you're going to get benefits, and for
• 32:05
  the average person, it's just under $200, for a household,
• 32:09
  it's over $300 a month. Can we make you a fractional
• 32:12
  employee with some sort of remote work so that in addition
• 32:16
  to getting the benefits, you're also contributing into the
• 32:18
  welfare of others? Because we have so many remote
• 32:21
  jobs as they're not some way of giving you the dignity as a
• 32:25
  human being of contributing and earning.
• 32:29
  That's good. What I like about Snap is, is
• 32:33
  for the outlier, for the one who's really in dire straits, an
• 32:36
  emergency to be able to keep that gal and her little kids
• 32:42
  alive until we figure out a better way of sales
• 32:46
  sustainability. Because what I don't like about
• 32:49
  Snap is is it can on the one hand wheeled.
• 32:52
  This is just to help. We're just redistributing.
• 32:55
  We're helping. It makes effectively a welfare
• 32:58
  nation. It can create a cycle of poverty
• 33:02
  that just rolls from one generation to the next, which is
• 33:04
  exactly what it's doing. And it can enslave people.
• 33:07
  And furthermore, especially an able bodied young man who could
• 33:10
  go out and work, but realizes I could make more filing for SNAP.
• 33:15
  I'll get fed and I can just play video games and do nothing
• 33:19
  because that's happening in Massive Groves.
• 33:21
  And as soon as a man accepts A handout, there's some piece of
• 33:25
  his dignity is that is lost. And the more he accepts handout
• 33:29
  after handout, the more unrecoverable that is.
• 33:33
  And you've effectually made him a slave to a government and to a
• 33:37
  handout when really a better solution would be the solution
• 33:40
  that has been there for millennia.
• 33:42
  And that's the church provides for immediate needs.
• 33:45
  But it's not just the handout of food.
• 33:47
  It's coupled with the freedom mentality, that's coupled with
• 33:50
  work with coupled with value. It's coupled with support and
• 33:54
  council. So it's not just a handout in
• 33:56
  perpetuity forever. That creates a cycle of
• 34:00
  enslavement, victimhood mentality.
• 34:03
  But instead the church will do a far, far better job as it always
• 34:07
  has in feeding people. And then it's the free giving.
• 34:12
  It's a charitable giving rather than the government seizing tax
• 34:16
  dollars and redistributing them, which is not charity.
• 34:20
  That's taking from other folks. And it's a part of it is you.
• 34:26
  There is a responsibility on the church, but you know, pulses and
• 34:29
  Galatians to do good, but first to the household of faith.
• 34:33
  And so it's it's Christians looking after brothers and
• 34:36
  sisters in Christ. And it's also family members and
• 34:38
  extended family. And so, you know, to me, if
• 34:41
  there is going to be government, it needs to be last resort, not
• 34:44
  first resort. And the question is, do you have
• 34:46
  any extended family or are you willing to work?
• 34:48
  Do you have any immediate or extended family?
• 34:51
  Are you part of a faith community?
• 34:53
  Because like, I'll get criticized a lot because I
• 34:56
  don't, I don't talk a lot about, you know, these meeting of
• 35:00
  social needs. But like for me personally, as a
• 35:03
  pastor, like every Tuesday night and Wednesday night, I've got
• 35:06
  men's Bible study. I've got over 900 men coming and
• 35:09
  I'm teaching them to only sleep with a woman who's their wife
• 35:14
  and to bring children into the world.
• 35:17
  And it's their responsibility to provide for and protect those
• 35:20
  children. If those 900 men, I'll do what I
• 35:23
  am telling them to do. That's, you know, 900 wives and
• 35:27
  maybe 3000 kids that are all going to get fed.
• 35:31
  I can put a box of food together and I can go feed somebody,
• 35:34
  which is good. Or I can teach 900 men to feed
• 35:37
  their families, their kids and grandkids.
• 35:40
  And then if those men teach their sons to do that, and those
• 35:43
  men teach their grandsons to do that, well now we've fed 100,000
• 35:47
  children. That's right.
• 35:49
  With the men's ministry, but nobody thinks that that is, you
• 35:52
  know, being charitable or gracious or generous.
• 35:54
  It's like it is. Yeah.
• 35:57
  It's it's actually fixing the problem, not just meeting it.
• 36:00
  That's right. That's good.
• 36:01
  So you will talk about outliers that would need help.
• 36:03
  Who? Who would those be for?
• 36:05
  Somebody disabled. Somebody's got chronic medical
• 36:08
  illness, for heaven's sake. A veteran that comes back from
• 36:12
  combat with some, you know, some horrible medical condition that
• 36:18
  is taken away, their ability to do what they're used to doing.
• 36:22
  Where there's an orphans, where there's an.
• 36:24
  Orphans, Yeah, children. Like I'm pro-life, pro kid, I
• 36:27
  mean children. But you know what we're talking
• 36:29
  about when we're talking about multiple generations that have
• 36:33
  been on the system, then the system isn't serving them, it's
• 36:36
  enabling them 100. Percent thank you pastor Mark I
• 36:42
  totally agree I think it's great that the government shut down
• 36:45
  and it unearths an issue that I think we should talk about the
• 36:49
  church should talk about the role of the church should be
• 36:51
  talked about. Pastor should step up and lead
• 36:53
  their people, lead their men, call them to something greater.
• 36:56
  And there's something awesome about providing for a wife and a
• 37:00
  child. And you always say men.
• 37:02
  Dr. Straighter under a load of responsibility and taking a
• 37:07
  government handout, playing video games, using it as a bit
• 37:10
  of a cop out is very unhelpful. Another government story?
• 37:16
  Shocking. I'll interview you on this one
• 37:18
  if that's OK All right, so this week they floated the idea of
• 37:22
  going to a 50 year mortgage. Most Americans are probably on
• 37:27
  an adjustable rate mortgage or a 30 year mortgage would be my
• 37:29
  guess. And so and this would open the
• 37:33
  opportunity for new people enter into the housing market, but
• 37:36
  especially younger generations. Your background is business, you
• 37:40
  like finance and investment and you're a real estate agent and
• 37:43
  you're a young home buyer. So 50 year mortgages, good idea,
• 37:47
  bad idea. What would your recommendation
• 37:48
  be? Great idea.
• 37:49
  I love 50 year mortgages. Oh.
• 37:52
  You said that so quick. I'm.
• 37:54
  I know you're going to attack. Well, not attacking, I'm just
• 37:56
  irritated with A50 year mortgage.
• 37:59
  I think I'm with you, but I'm irritated, so go ahead I.
• 38:02
  Love it. So historically, so FDR, Trump
• 38:05
  referenced FDRFDR added. The 20 year mortgage and home
• 38:08
  ownership went from 40% of people to 65% of people.
• 38:12
  What was it before that? Before the 20 year, What was?
• 38:16
  40% of people owned a home and then after he did the 20 year
• 38:19
  mortgage that jumped 25% to 65% of Americans owned a home.
• 38:25
  I'm a big believer in Americans need to own homes.
• 38:29
  Corporations are buying up homes very, very quick.
• 38:32
  We're seeing cash deals even in Arizona very, very quick when no
• 38:35
  one else can buy because the corporations want to buy up all
• 38:38
  the homes. If you want to get into
• 38:39
  conspiracies, they want to control what the average person
• 38:44
  pays or rent. So rent control.
• 38:47
  They'll just decide it's 2500 dollars, $3000 and if you can't
• 38:51
  buy a home, you can't compete. And that's not a conspiracy that
• 38:54
  these companies are doing they're it's happening in a
• 38:56
  massively most of the house is being bought or being bought by
• 39:00
  a few different companies you. Know many of them are foreign
• 39:02
  investors owning American real estate which is a whole nother.
• 39:06
  Show. Yeah, Terrible.
• 39:07
  You talk about a stronghold that's very much a stronghold of
• 39:10
  other countries coming in and buying our homes up.
• 39:13
  And I think inflation is awesome in real estate.
• 39:18
  It's going to happen. The government's going to keep
• 39:20
  printing money. I'm, I'm not thrilled with that,
• 39:22
  but it's reality. We saw in COVID.
• 39:24
  All of a sudden they added 25% supply of money into the system
• 39:28
  and no one thought inflation was about to happen.
• 39:31
  And then it went off the charts. I as a new home buyer, we had
• 39:35
  bought a very average home price at like 350.
• 39:39
  We bought our first house 350. COVID happens within a year,
• 39:43
  that house went up by 40 or 50%. Wow, you not not because I was
• 39:48
  so smart and a great investor because inflation just shot into
• 39:51
  the economy. Everyone moved to Arizona during
• 39:53
  COVID, lots of things, but home prices across the country did
• 39:55
  that in 20/21/22. So your house will grow with
• 39:59
  inflation. Your mortgage won't.
• 40:01
  Your mortgage is going to. You're going to owe the same
• 40:03
  amount of. Money, and the money just got a
• 40:05
  lot cheaper. So a lot of people don't realize
• 40:08
  that inflation actually helps your debt quite a bit.
• 40:11
  It cheapens it. So for first time home buyers,
• 40:13
  there's a lot of young adults, they don't understand this.
• 40:16
  They're looking at the market and the terms, but they don't
• 40:18
  understand that first time home buyers completely different set
• 40:21
  of terms. Maybe explain the benefits for a
• 40:24
  first time home buyer. Totally.
• 40:25
  You can get a low interest rate. Your parents might tell you you
• 40:28
  need 20% down. Sure, that's awesome.
• 40:30
  But you don't need that. The market, especially in
• 40:33
  America, is going to keep going up because of inflation.
• 40:36
  And if there's a 50 year mortgage, the market's going to
• 40:39
  jump. We're going to see an aggressive
• 40:41
  climb here because it means more people can buy homes.
• 40:44
  But there's tons of government programs and I mean, they're
• 40:48
  going to give it out to a lot of people.
• 40:49
  So why not let you be one of those people?
• 40:52
  They will pay a lot of your down payment.
• 40:55
  I had a young couple the other day.
• 40:57
  The government gave them 30 grand.
• 40:59
  That's forgivable in three years if they hold that home.
• 41:01
  Well, government's just going to give them free money.
• 41:04
  And you might have some. My wife being one of these might
• 41:06
  be like, we're not taking money from the government out of
• 41:09
  principle. They're going to give it to
• 41:10
  someone. Just apply for the grant, take
• 41:13
  the grant, get the forgivable loan and start building a
• 41:16
  legacy. But you can buy a home, a first
• 41:19
  time homebuyer and especially in Arizona, it's expensive.
• 41:22
  So a lot of other states it's going to be lower.
• 41:24
  But you could spend 8 grand to 15 grand and you could be in a
• 41:28
  first time house and the government will fill the rest of
• 41:31
  that down payment and you get a lower.
• 41:33
  Interest rate, perhaps as a first time homebuyer.
• 41:35
  Lower interest rate, so a lot of a lot of great benefits.
• 41:39
  It's not that hard to buy a house.
• 41:40
  I always thought it was. I think it's one of the easiest
• 41:43
  wealth building tools for a, for a young person because you're
• 41:46
  going to pay rent, you're going to do something.
• 41:48
  It forces you as a young man or a young couple to go start
• 41:53
  investing and over the long term that home is going to go up.
• 41:57
  What disagreements do you have with a 50 year mortgage or what
• 41:59
  do you wrestle with with a 50 year mortgage?
• 42:01
  So if we were having this exact same conversation 10 years ago,
• 42:05
  50 years ago, 100 years ago, and now all the sudden we're like,
• 42:09
  hey, what do you think about a 50 year mortgage?
• 42:11
  I'm like, I think it's a terrible idea.
• 42:13
  I think it's awful. And it's because we're such a
• 42:15
  prosperous country that a 30 year mortgage or a 15 year
• 42:18
  mortgage, typically the average homebuyer could afford it if
• 42:22
  they just minded their P's and Q's.
• 42:25
  And the only reason we're having this conversation now is because
• 42:28
  wild, reckless overspending is impoverishing our nation.
• 42:31
  So now it becomes the necessary evil to push out a 30 year
• 42:35
  mortgage to a 50 year mortgage so that we can buy them up
• 42:37
  before BlackRock does. And so I hate, I hate, hate that
• 42:41
  that's happening because 10 years ago, 50 year mortgages was
• 42:45
  a bad idea. And so now it's just a stopgap.
• 42:48
  But what it's doing though, it's allowing, it's a realistic sober
• 42:52
  approach of where we're at right now, a 50 year mortgage.
• 42:55
  So I'm on board with you. But here's what I hate.
• 42:58
  It's admitting that we are certainly impoverished.
• 43:01
  We're having to compete with these major corporations doing a
• 43:04
  really shady thinks they're going to Jack rinse up and what
• 43:07
  else are you going to do? So you might as well do it.
• 43:08
  But I know the American consumer is they are going to be a much
• 43:17
  bigger debtor for their entire lives now.
• 43:20
  They're never going to pay off their home.
• 43:21
  Then you could say, well, you could get a 50 year mortgage but
• 43:24
  pay it like it's a 30 and people reason that and if you could
• 43:29
  actually do it, that'd be great. But almost no one does.
• 43:31
  I think you guys would and and like 2 of you people out there
• 43:35
  would do that. Nobody else is going to do that.
• 43:37
  It's the same reason why Dave Ramsey is so against anyone
• 43:40
  having credit cards. It's because you'll say, well,
• 43:42
  the points and I'm doing this and cash back actually come out
• 43:46
  ahead. And you're right technically on
• 43:48
  paper, but consumer habits is you're going to not do it and
• 43:53
  you'll be irresponsible. So you're going to get a 50 year
• 43:55
  mortgage and you're going to pay it for 50 years.
• 43:58
  You're not going to pay it off early.
• 43:59
  So you're going to be a slave to the lender.
• 44:01
  And if you get a 30. So right here you had a kind of
• 44:04
  a, a example charted out. So a $400,000 home with a 20%
• 44:12
  down payment and assuming a 6.5 or 6.6% interest rate and 30
• 44:18
  year term, that's 2040 bucks a month.
• 44:22
  If you paid that out over the life of the loan, you're the
• 44:26
  cost of money for a $400,000 home will end up being you'll
• 44:30
  spend $661,000 on that over the course of 30 years.
• 44:34
  So $400,000 home, you paid $661,000 over it.
• 44:40
  And I'm like that's a 30 year. What happens when you go 50 year
• 44:44
  and mind you you're only jumping in a 50 year mortgage from a
• 44:48
  $2040 payment, you're falling down to an $18122 payment.
• 44:53
  So really it's going to save you.
• 44:55
  Yeah, it's going to save you $200 ish a month.
• 44:59
  And what's it cost? I'm like, oh, it saves me $200 a
• 45:02
  month. Well, what does it cost you?
• 45:03
  You're going to pay an extra 20 years.
• 45:06
  And at the end of it, you would have paid almost $1,000,000 for
• 45:11
  a $400,000 home. That's wild.
• 45:14
  That's really expensive. But it's.
• 45:16
  Better than renting? Yeah, I I agree.
• 45:19
  I agree it's better than whatever, but if we if we could
• 45:23
  just not spend so wildly because all the dramatic government
• 45:29
  spending is causing this. We're in this problem because of
• 45:33
  a 3839 trillion dollar debt in runaway inflation.
• 45:37
  And so now we're talking about 50 or more.
• 45:40
  I'm like, hey, come on, how about get in perpetual debt for
• 45:43
  multiple generations because your government can't curtail
• 45:47
  spending. We're talking about a 50 year
• 45:49
  mortgage because government spending.
• 45:50
  So if we do a 50 year mortgage, OK, I get it, necessary evil,
• 45:55
  but let's cut the head off the beast of government spending or
• 45:59
  before, you know, we'll be talking about a 70 year
• 46:01
  mortgage. And it's because of the
• 46:02
  government's fault. And I don't like it.
• 46:05
  I don't like it. OK, John, but here's my push
• 46:07
  back. What is that house worth in 50
• 46:11
  years? I get it that it's still worth
• 46:13
  it. It's. 4 It's a $4 million house,
• 46:16
  and that's average home price in 50 years.
• 46:19
  So maybe so we'll see. I know of like what?
• 46:24
  What more land, what fun depressions await us?
• 46:27
  I know what fun government features away.
• 46:29
  In every 100 years and the last one was in the 1920s.
• 46:32
  So giddy up. Because the trend of all this
• 46:35
  government spending is ultimately a complete
• 46:38
  evisceration of our economy or the Marxist own anything and
• 46:41
  that that house you worked on for 40 years is seized by the
• 46:44
  state anyway. That's where all of this
• 46:46
  eventually lands. So the.
• 46:47
  Wildness of the death There is a debt of $330,000 of memory
• 46:53
  serves me correct for every American taxpayer, which means
• 46:57
  whether or not you have a mortgage, the government took
• 46:59
  one out for. You.
• 47:00
  That's right. You owe $330,000 in just that.
• 47:04
  Yeah. So Landon, to wrap up this one,
• 47:07
  so 50 year, do they have to put because a lot of young people
• 47:11
  are so there's like 50 years, Do they have to pay for 50 years or
• 47:14
  can they pay it off quicker? Can they refinance it down the
• 47:17
  road? You can pay it off very quickly.
• 47:19
  You can refinance it down the road.
• 47:22
  I think when interest rates are high, something like this makes
• 47:24
  a lot of sense to me because interest rates will be low again
• 47:27
  at some point. It it was wild to me.
• 47:32
  Our first house, I'm making this big payment.
• 47:34
  To me, it's $2200 a month. That felt like everything for
• 47:37
  Ashley and I as a newly married couple.
• 47:39
  And then we sold it two years later and we made 10 grand a
• 47:42
  month living there. And I was like, how does this
• 47:45
  math make any sense? That's great.
• 47:47
  It was. It was wild to see the
• 47:48
  appreciation when you only you've put this much money into
• 47:51
  the house and the equity jumps by this much.
• 47:54
  That's a great return on investment.
• 47:57
  And to the point earlier, OK, you're saving a couple $100 a
• 48:00
  month, not a big deal for you guys for for somebody that's
• 48:03
  making $20.00 an hour, $18.00 an hour trying to save up if
• 48:07
  somebody's investing $200 a month and actually being a good
• 48:10
  steward. So you do have to be wise.
• 48:12
  But if somebody takes that, invest that at an average rate
• 48:14
  of return at that 50 year mark, it's almost $4 million as well.
• 48:18
  So if you're a smart steward and you're a godly man and you do
• 48:22
  something like a 50 year mortgage and you take the extra
• 48:24
  money and you invest it or pay down your house faster, you're
• 48:26
  going to be in a great position in 10/15/20 years.
• 48:30
  If you're just trying to use the government and push out your
• 48:33
  debt and things like that, that's not helpful.
• 48:36
  But you can redeem a lot of the government programs and as young
• 48:40
  Christian men and women, we need to be good stewards and smart in
• 48:44
  these decisions we're making. And you need to actually chart
• 48:47
  it outlook at investment charts and look at your next 50 years
• 48:50
  and decide where you want to be. That was something me and Ashley
• 48:53
  did very early in her marriage. Where, where do we want to be at
• 48:56
  75? And where do we want, what do we
• 48:58
  want to leave to our grandkids? And you just reverse engineer
• 49:00
  it. And I just see things like this
• 49:02
  as tools to do that. And Trump is much wiser than
• 49:07
  anyone gives him credit for as far as the economy.
• 49:09
  He knows how to combat these things.
• 49:11
  He knows what tariffs will do. He he's not like throwing hand
• 49:14
  grenades. And like, hopefully this stuff
• 49:16
  works. He's a very good businessman.
• 49:18
  And if there's something that you should trust him on, who
• 49:20
  would have? Thought a billionaire would have
• 49:23
  been good with money, though I didn't.
• 49:24
  I didn't see that coming. Did you see that coming?
• 49:26
  And a socialist who's never held a job can run New York.
• 49:30
  So what? That's a great pivot.
• 49:32
  Yeah, well, let me let me get one hack and then we'll move on.
• 49:34
  This is dad hack for the older people that are watching this,
• 49:38
  number one, you want to you want to get your credit score and
• 49:40
  keep your credit score high. And then two, a lot of the myth
• 49:44
  when it comes to home buying for young families and young couples
• 49:49
  is we've got to get a credit card.
• 49:51
  We need to get our credit score. No, you don't.
• 49:53
  Here's a dad hack. If you have a good credit score,
• 49:56
  you can put your kids, you can put other people on as an
• 49:58
  authorized user. So like when our kids got
• 50:02
  married, like I was talking one of my daughter in laws and she's
• 50:05
  like, I got to get a credit card because you know, I need to get
• 50:08
  a credit score so that we go to buy a house.
• 50:10
  Have a good Christ. I said no, sweetheart, I love
• 50:11
  you. Don't do any of that.
• 50:12
  I will make you an authorized user on my account, which means
• 50:15
  then when they pull your credit score, you get my credit score.
• 50:18
  Well, that's great. Now that's all so.
• 50:20
  You don't need a credit card and you don't need to play the
• 50:22
  credit card game and you don't need to take any risk.
• 50:24
  You don't need to go out and get a car loan and start doing these
• 50:27
  really foolish things. Older generations can really
• 50:31
  help if they can borrow your credit score and get a first
• 50:34
  time home buyer opportunity. Now you're unlocking
• 50:38
  generational wealth for your kids.
• 50:40
  And the the one other thing you did that was awesome and
• 50:43
  hopefully I'm not over sharing here, but you were willing to
• 50:45
  match a down payment for us up to a certain number.
• 50:48
  And you always talk about give your inheritance to your kids
• 50:51
  early because 10 grand for me right now is much better than
• 50:55
  100 grand in 30 years. Well, in, in 30 years, you know,
• 50:59
  let's say I live 30 years. In 30 years, if you really need
• 51:03
  the inheritance, I failed, you didn't do a good job.
• 51:06
  When a couple really needs their inheritance, is it the starting
• 51:09
  line? Like we want to buy a house, we
• 51:11
  want to have kids. So my goal is always like, if
• 51:14
  you can and you're older, get as much of the inheritance to the
• 51:17
  kids as early as possible. If they're wise and good
• 51:20
  stewards and then they're going to multiply that.
• 51:23
  But in 30 years, you don't need help with your first home, no.
• 51:26
  No. Can I ask you a question on
• 51:27
  that? So some folks will have the
• 51:31
  attitude older generation of if you just give them money or
• 51:34
  inheritance, you'll spoil them. And there's some out there of
• 51:36
  like, hey, I got him to 18, let my last check bounce, I'm
• 51:43
  cashing out, no inheritance. Yeah, a wise man leaves an
• 51:45
  inheritance for his children's children.
• 51:47
  That's Proverbs. And so the goal is to pass on to
• 51:50
  your children and grandchildren as much money, as much blessing,
• 51:54
  as much wisdom, as much support as you possibly can.
• 51:58
  And there are two kinds of children.
• 52:00
  There are those who are bad stewards and those who are good
• 52:03
  stewards. And so give everything you can
• 52:06
  after you've trained your child to be a good steward.
• 52:09
  And so like, my thing with all of our kids was like, get
• 52:12
  married, buy a house, have kids, If you can do it in that order,
• 52:17
  statistically you're going to win.
• 52:19
  Like you're going to play the long game and win.
• 52:21
  And so I have no problem being generous toward children that
• 52:26
  are good stewards. So if they're not a good
• 52:28
  steward, then teach them stewardship and incentivize them
• 52:32
  to be good stewards. Don't control them.
• 52:34
  But like, hey, if you will raise money for hours, I will match
• 52:38
  you dollar for dollar as one potential example.
• 52:41
  Then the kid is like, and here's what it costs and here's first
• 52:44
  time home buyer and I'll let you borrow my credit score.
• 52:46
  Any smart kid is going to be like, well, I'm going to do that
• 52:49
  because I didn't understand that, but my dad just set me up
• 52:52
  for the win. You're a good dad, Mark
• 52:53
  Driscoll. Good job.
• 52:54
  We'll leave it right there and we will head to some not so
• 52:58
  great politics. So 2 cities, one story about the
• 53:01
  changing face of America. Minneapolis and New York just
• 53:04
  elected Muslim candidates who ran on cultural and religious
• 53:08
  identity. Some call it representation
• 53:10
  while others call it replacement.
• 53:12
  Ron DeSantis says Republican idea of endless immigrate legal
• 53:16
  immigration is brain dead. And we want to unpack that.
• 53:20
  So you guys have a lot of experience, a lot of years on
• 53:24
  the clock seeing this happen, seeing America, good immigration
• 53:28
  happened, bad immigration happened, no borders, borders.
• 53:32
  What are your thoughts? We want to hear theologically,
• 53:34
  but also just are we going to be in a good spot in 1520 years?
• 53:39
  Are your kids going to be in a great America If if what's
• 53:43
  happening continues? I don't know if it is still
• 53:45
  America if it continues. Yeah, that's right.
• 53:48
  And so those who are naive theologically, they'll be like,
• 53:52
  we need to welcome the stranger. Well, like the book of judges.
• 53:54
  We talked about this offline. Israel has a boundary, and it
• 53:57
  keeps getting invaded by enemies who don't love the people and
• 54:01
  don't share the values. So the whole book of Judges is
• 54:05
  Deborah and Barack and Gideon and Jephta and Samson.
• 54:09
  It's it's just war after war after war to secure the border.
• 54:12
  And so, you know, if you're going to think biblically, you
• 54:14
  need to think entirely within the confines of Scripture.
• 54:18
  And so, you know, historically, we are a nation of immigrants,
• 54:22
  people who came here legally but then were educated on the
• 54:25
  Declaration of Independence, the Constitution.
• 54:29
  They were given American values. Here's who we are.
• 54:31
  Here's how we operate. Here's our language.
• 54:33
  Please speak our language. And that is assimilation.
• 54:37
  And So what happens currently? We had an open border.
• 54:40
  Everybody's welcome in. We're not asking are you going
• 54:43
  to add any value? Like in Europe, they've got a
• 54:45
  merit system. Like do you have a career?
• 54:48
  Are you going to add value to our culture?
• 54:50
  If so, we're going to run you to the front of the line.
• 54:52
  You know, do you share our values here?
• 54:54
  We open it up. We say diversity is our
• 54:56
  strength. No, it's not.
• 54:58
  I mean, cartel leaders are not our strike.
• 55:00
  Drug traffickers are not our strength.
• 55:02
  You know, child predators bringing kids over the border,
• 55:05
  that's not our strength. Our strength is in integrity and
• 55:09
  it's in our founding principles. And so now you've got people
• 55:13
  coming into the country that aren't vetted and they aren't
• 55:15
  coming to contribute anything. And then if they go to a
• 55:18
  government school, the government school tells them
• 55:21
  that America is institutionally inherently racist, sexist,
• 55:25
  homophobic, and evil. And it's patriarchal and
• 55:29
  colonial, which means any values that have any rooting and
• 55:32
  Christian convictions are inherently oppressive and
• 55:35
  unjust. They get an entire Marxist
• 55:37
  paradigm. And at that point, those people
• 55:40
  don't even understand America. And the modicum that they do
• 55:43
  understand, they think is inherently evil.
• 55:45
  Therefore social justice is to deconstruct it.
• 55:48
  And it's like, well then what you end up with is the the
• 55:52
  nation that they left because it was horrible now becomes this
• 55:57
  nation. And I don't know why you would
• 55:58
  go from one country that sucked to another country that doesn't
• 56:02
  suck with the agenda of making it suck.
• 56:04
  If you want to live in a country that sucks, just stay in your
• 56:07
  country. It's good that's you spend.
• 56:10
  Time defending this nation and now you're seeing the nation
• 56:14
  changed over the last 5-10 years.
• 56:16
  What what are your thoughts on where we're headed?
• 56:18
  Well, we had one aspect to it right here.
• 56:20
  Another aspect that you need is to understand what Islam is.
• 56:25
  You need to understand what the Muslim world is.
• 56:27
  And there is variation. So I want to be sensitive to
• 56:29
  that. There's some sweetie pie Muslims
• 56:31
  that just you don't want to kumbaya and hey, jihad, it
• 56:34
  doesn't really mean what you think it means.
• 56:36
  And we're all just we're, we're, we're all fine.
• 56:38
  It's all just a metaphor. And then there's, well, most of
• 56:42
  Muslim history isn't that way. Whereas we've seen the Crusades
• 56:47
  as points where the Christian world was pushing back on Muslim
• 56:52
  conquest, Islam has seen one giant crusade that's been
• 56:56
  spanning over 14 centuries. It's just one.
• 56:59
  And it's the sixth pillar of Islam that unofficial.
• 57:02
  It's jihad. It's, it's a war.
• 57:05
  It's you want to go to heaven immediately.
• 57:06
  It's Kelly and Fidel. They're at war with Western
• 57:09
  values. Theologically, fundamentally,
• 57:12
  you crack open the hood of Islam, they're at war with
• 57:15
  Western values and specifically Christianity.
• 57:19
  And so you can't assimilate with that because Islam is utterly
• 57:22
  incompatible with Western values, because it is at war
• 57:26
  with Western values. And so if you look at all the
• 57:29
  countries where Muslims have majority and where they're
• 57:33
  ruling, wherever Islam is, someone was there before him.
• 57:37
  And typically they were all Christian lands and they didn't
• 57:39
  convert by the beauty of the Quran.
• 57:42
  They were overthrown by the scimitar or they were out bred
• 57:47
  until the population was majority Muslim and then they
• 57:52
  established Sharia law, kicked everyone else out and now as
• 57:55
  Islamic. That's how every Christian
• 57:57
  nation in the Middle Eastern, in the Middle East, in Asia, in
• 58:02
  North Africa, all of it was Christian lands.
• 58:05
  They didn't convert to Islam, they were murdered over the
• 58:10
  course of centuries and that's how Islam took they either they
• 58:13
  either kill you and drive you out or they out breed you and
• 58:16
  then establish political control.
• 58:18
  Drop all Democratic Republican pretense.
• 58:21
  Once they establish majority, establish Sharia law, and now it
• 58:25
  just becomes another Muslim state, part of the future
• 58:28
  caliphate there. There's no bargaining with them
• 58:33
  in that. It is.
• 58:34
  It's incompatible with our founding documents.
• 58:37
  We have a national identity. What is that?
• 58:39
  Well, it's Christian values and it's also built around our
• 58:43
  founding documents, our Declaration of Independence and
• 58:47
  our Constitution. That's who we are.
• 58:49
  We're we're people that rally around document a belief system.
• 58:55
  It's an idea that is America and it is incompatible with
• 58:59
  antithetical ideas. And it's not just open for
• 59:02
  interpretation. It's not just a melting pot of
• 59:04
  diverse beliefs. No, it's it's fixed.
• 59:07
  And if you destroy the foundation, the entire edifice
• 59:10
  that is the United States of America falls.
• 59:12
  And what this is, is the signal that not only do we not
• 59:15
  understand that we rally around the Constitution and that's what
• 59:19
  makes us Americans, but we are also inviting a very the
• 59:23
  complete antithetical ideology to come and rule over us.
• 59:27
  It it it there. I can't imagine something more
• 59:31
  disastrous than this unless they asked Christianity Today to help
• 59:34
  rule with them. I just can't do it.
• 59:36
  I can't do it. Let's call it a call back,
• 59:38
  gentlemen. Thank you guys.
• 59:39
  That's. Good.
• 59:40
  Well, and, and so you know, if if we are one nation under God,
• 59:45
  who that God is determines what kind of nation we are.
• 59:48
  Good word. And so this is ultimately A
• 59:50
  theological issue. It's a spiritual warfare issue.
• 59:53
  And and biblically when when an enemy gets a camp within
• 59:59
  territory that they don't have dominion over, it's called a
• 1:00:01
  stronghold right now, Dearborn, MI's theologically, spiritually,
• 1:00:07
  it is a stronghold. When you hear the Muslim call to
• 1:00:10
  per going out over the, over this loud speakers, which is
• 1:00:14
  against law in Dearborn, MI, that is, that is a that is a
• 1:00:18
  spiritual declaration of territorial dominion.
• 1:00:22
  Yeah. And we just saw now another
• 1:00:25
  stronghold is being established in New York City.
• 1:00:28
  Right heart of the nation. And financial capital.
• 1:00:32
  And so, you know, from a spiritual standpoint, like these
• 1:00:35
  are strongholds. They're not yet ruling the
• 1:00:37
  nation. But before you topple any
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  people, you got to set up a fortified compound, you've got
• 1:00:42
  to set up a stronghold. And from there, you expand your
• 1:00:45
  influence. You go out and declare your war.
• 1:00:47
  And so jihad begins with strongholds.
• 1:00:50
  Right. If Satan was going to take this
• 1:00:52
  nation, New York and a yeah, it's not going to happen from a
• 1:00:56
  ground war. It's going to happen from this.
• 1:00:58
  It'll be a slow, a slow heating up and.
• 1:01:02
  And he's a good enough general to recognize he should fight a
• 1:01:05
  war on multiple fronts simultaneously.
• 1:01:07
  And this is, this is a devastating 1.
• 1:01:09
  And it signals something real bad to me.
• 1:01:12
  I'm like, oh, we're we're further gone than I thought.
• 1:01:15
  This is really bad. This is really bad.
• 1:01:17
  What should be the pastors response to this?
• 1:01:22
  How do you lead a congregation? How do you lead men?
• 1:01:24
  Of like you're in New York City, Paul Mann like, hey, we're
• 1:01:28
  moving guys. We're going to the great state
• 1:01:30
  of Georgia. Is it still free?
• 1:01:32
  A lot of. Well, what we're looking at now,
• 1:01:35
  you're really looking at 2 Americas.
• 1:01:37
  You're looking at those who are voting with their feet, where
• 1:01:40
  they want to live, what kind of governor they want to have,
• 1:01:43
  what, what kind of citizen they want to be.
• 1:01:45
  And to me it seems like the rate, the rate we're going, you
• 1:01:48
  have two options. You have two Americas.
• 1:01:51
  And it really becomes people determine their state by their
• 1:01:55
  belief system. And if we try to all work
• 1:01:58
  together, I don't see anything other than civil war because
• 1:02:01
  these are irreconcilable ideologies like and, and as a
• 1:02:05
  Christian, you feel like on the left, I'm getting attacked over
• 1:02:08
  all the trans weirdness and on the and, and social Marxism and
• 1:02:12
  on the right, I'm getting attacked with his law.
• 1:02:15
  And so it's, it's a weird day. There's a, there's a war on both
• 1:02:18
  fronts for those who just want to be left alone.
• 1:02:21
  Both of these ideologies do not permit sort of independence.
• 1:02:25
  No, they're totalitarian regimes, both on the hard left
• 1:02:29
  and it on the Islamic right. They want to oversee your
• 1:02:32
  schools, they want to tax you. They want to oversee your laws.
• 1:02:36
  They want to control your family and future and they want to take
• 1:02:39
  away your firearms so that you're indefensible.
• 1:02:42
  I mean, and so I don't know, John, do you think we just vote
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  by like you go to Georgia or you, you know, go to California?
• 1:02:49
  Or is it we end up in just full blown civil war?
• 1:02:51
  John wants to move to California.
• 1:02:53
  I do not want to move to California.
• 1:02:55
  I don't want to look at a picture of California lately.
• 1:02:57
  I just, I'm very upset by the politics there.
• 1:03:00
  There's so many good conservative, God loving people
• 1:03:04
  that live in California. California is a red state and
• 1:03:06
  it's just ruled by blue dots, that's what.
• 1:03:09
  And that's every single state it seems like.
• 1:03:12
  Maybe not Massachusetts, I don't know.
• 1:03:14
  Anyway, the whole country. Is big enough just to be a.
• 1:03:17
  Dot, it's just a Big Blue dot, isn't it?
• 1:03:19
  I don't know. I don't know, but yeah, I think
• 1:03:23
  Satan is launching both air and ground war simultaneously,
• 1:03:27
  hitting us on multiple fronts. And a response must also be in
• 1:03:31
  many fronts. We need churches to stand up
• 1:03:35
  straight and declare bold truth. And if you're just going to let
• 1:03:38
  all this stuff play out in the news and our cultures being
• 1:03:43
  overrun, and you're just going to little anecdotes and pithy
• 1:03:47
  jokes, and here's a little story and a verse.
• 1:03:49
  See you next Sunday. If you're just going to cede the
• 1:03:52
  culture war to the dominions of Satan, well, you're no help.
• 1:03:56
  This is a theological battle and we need theological generals at
• 1:04:00
  the helm at the front leading this fight spiritually.
• 1:04:04
  So as a as a church, I refuse to live in a world of lies.
• 1:04:07
  I will not be censors. I will not be silenced.
• 1:04:09
  I'm to speak out against this. And that's effectively we're
• 1:04:12
  three pastors doing that right now.
• 1:04:14
  And I encourage any pastors following on, don't be a coward,
• 1:04:17
  do it as well. We need everyone on board,
• 1:04:20
  everyone on board. We can't bear the weight of all
• 1:04:23
  the attacks simultaneously. And so pastors need to speak the
• 1:04:26
  truth. Now is a wonderful time for
• 1:04:29
  courage and for very clear voices.
• 1:04:31
  We also need to vote with our feet.
• 1:04:33
  We need to be politically involved.
• 1:04:35
  We need all kinds of folks in every area of life, in all
• 1:04:39
  vocations, in all neighborhoods. We need to get our schools back.
• 1:04:42
  We need to get our country back. We need to be voting.
• 1:04:44
  We need to be educating all of the stuff simultaneously.
• 1:04:47
  Wherever there is a fight being levied against us, there's where
• 1:04:50
  brave defenders need to be able to stand up for truth and
• 1:04:54
  contend. And it's and yes.
• 1:04:57
  And it's biblical worldview. Yeah.
• 1:04:59
  And it can't just be self help, you know, psychology
• 1:05:02
  instruction. It needs to be, hey, there is a
• 1:05:05
  difference between Islam and Christianity, and it's not a
• 1:05:09
  minor difference. There is a big difference
• 1:05:11
  between biblical justice and Marxist social justice.
• 1:05:15
  There's a big difference. And the problem is that the
• 1:05:18
  pulpits are not providing biblical worldview.
• 1:05:21
  So the average Christian is either misinformed or altogether
• 1:05:25
  uninformed. And in the absence of the
• 1:05:27
  biblical worldview, everyone's just going to have an unbiblical
• 1:05:30
  world. And so to think that the
• 1:05:32
  responsibility, the pastor doesn't include worldview
• 1:05:34
  shaping, it's reprehensible. So those who would say, you
• 1:05:37
  know, don't get involved in politics, don't get involved in
• 1:05:39
  culture, teach biblical worldview and you will realize
• 1:05:42
  you have to, it's, it's a, you can't be faithful to God without
• 1:05:48
  opening the word of God and helping God's people interpret
• 1:05:51
  what's going on in the world through the word.
• 1:05:53
  Even the politicians that established our nation had the
• 1:05:56
  foresight to recognize that we were one nation under God.
• 1:05:59
  And if it's one nation under God, then God's ambassadors get
• 1:06:02
  to exercise dominion and have a say over all of government over
• 1:06:07
  the totality of life. If we're one nation under God
• 1:06:09
  and the preacher is God's ambassador, the preacher has
• 1:06:12
  complete carte blanche to be able to speak to any and every
• 1:06:16
  issue because we're one nation under God.
• 1:06:19
  So who speaks for God? The pastor's reading out of the
• 1:06:22
  Bible, contending with a culture.
• 1:06:23
  You're able to speak in that. And it's an absolute utter lie
• 1:06:27
  of Satan. He is laughing at you like
• 1:06:30
  you're a joke if he has silenced you with this lie that you just
• 1:06:37
  talk Bible and let everything else play out.
• 1:06:40
  You just, you just got your main generals and war captains to go
• 1:06:45
  get a smoothie in the heat of battle.
• 1:06:47
  I'm like that. Satan thinks it's hilarious.
• 1:06:51
  I think that pastors are sitting here watching all of the
• 1:06:56
  dominions of Satan pour in while they're just eating an apple
• 1:06:59
  doing nothing. Hey guys.
• 1:07:01
  Before we go to the next segment, Pastor Mark wanted to
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  Yep, Yep. Pastor John, thank you.
• 1:08:43
  We have a couple questions we're going to finish with, but I want
• 1:08:45
  to honor you for being on the show.
• 1:08:47
  Thank you for being here. You've got a great ministry and
• 1:08:50
  business helping equip men in a lot of ways.
• 1:08:54
  Where can people go join your really your brotherhood?
• 1:08:58
  And what services, what things do you have to offer that you'd
• 1:09:01
  love to tell them about? Because you're very strong.
• 1:09:03
  So these people either love you or hate you at this point.
• 1:09:06
  Sometimes I, I, I hate me as well.
• 1:09:08
  So I, I get it. I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm a work in
• 1:09:10
  progress. I'm trying to repent, love Jesus
• 1:09:12
  more, but anyway, still deal with some of that.
• 1:09:14
  So I, I understand that folks can find me at Pastor John
• 1:09:18
  Lovell that that's my handle. I have a church called Grace
• 1:09:21
  City. It's in Rome, GA.
• 1:09:23
  So Pastor John level, I'm preaching every single week in
• 1:09:26
  the pulpit. And so Pastor John Level, check
• 1:09:28
  me out there on YouTube and stuff.
• 1:09:30
  Like that into guns, right? I'm into guns.
• 1:09:32
  I have a movement called Warrior Poet Society.
• 1:09:34
  And so we teach all kinds of security related stuff,
• 1:09:38
  training. We teach gun fighting classes
• 1:09:40
  all around the country as well. That that was an old special
• 1:09:42
  operations guy and so I leaned into that world and really
• 1:09:45
  ascended the the the ranks for training in the country.
• 1:09:49
  And so we do a lot there and all kinds of everyday Carrie and all
• 1:09:53
  the cool gizmos on our warrior boat website and we have a
• 1:09:56
  streaming service watch WPSN. That's where somebody can really
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  join as a member. You're like warrior boat.
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  I like that. I want to join.
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  You go to watchwpsn.com and you join and that that makes you
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  kind of one of us as a, as a main.
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  Supporter Awesome. And in the world we're heading
• 1:10:11
  in, it seems like it's getting darker and men need to be a
• 1:10:14
  equipped both theologically and protection security, like
• 1:10:17
  actually they they should be carrying a gun and ready for
• 1:10:20
  battle because it could come. We are loving protectors of
• 1:10:24
  other people. And if evil has a gun, I want
• 1:10:25
  one too. I'm going to, I want to protect
• 1:10:28
  the innocent and that's the that's why I carry a gun.
• 1:10:31
  It's not for me, it's for everyone else.
• 1:10:33
  Somebody wants to shoot up a school and I'm on that.
• 1:10:35
  I'm on the X, not on my watch, man.
• 1:10:37
  You're going to have to go through me if you want to hurt
• 1:10:39
  people around me. And so it is the duty of a
• 1:10:41
  loving shepherd protector to carry a gun.
• 1:10:45
  Love it, I love it. So first mailbag question to
• 1:10:47
  close this out. Pastor Mark, if your in laws
• 1:10:51
  can't stand each other, how do you decide who to spend the
• 1:10:54
  holidays with without starting a war?
• 1:10:56
  I have an answer but. Yeah #1 You could rotate ears,
• 1:11:01
  you could say we'll do Thanksgiving with you guys one
• 1:11:03
  year, do Thanksgiving with you the other.
• 1:11:05
  We could do that Christmas, whatever it may be, you could
• 1:11:09
  say we're going to host it at our house will be the
• 1:11:11
  Demilitarized Zone between North and South Korea.
• 1:11:15
  And so when you enter into our home as head of household, here
• 1:11:18
  are the ground rules. You're welcome to play by the
• 1:11:20
  ground rules. If you behave otherwise, you are
• 1:11:22
  not welcome. Or you could decide if you find
• 1:11:26
  that both families are just toxic and unenjoyable.
• 1:11:29
  You know what, we love you both and we'd love we only.
• 1:11:31
  There's only three kinds of relationships.
• 1:11:32
  There's healthy, unhealthy and no relation.
• 1:11:35
  And if they're saying, well, we're only going to give you one
• 1:11:37
  option, unhealthy relationship, well then you got to decide, are
• 1:11:39
  you going to go for unhealthy relationship or no relationship?
• 1:11:42
  And you may even want to do rather than a forever cut off
• 1:11:47
  and say we're never going to do the holidays with you again.
• 1:11:49
  If it's really dangerous and evil, like let's say you're in a
• 1:11:51
  family that abuses kids and you got kids you like, we're not
• 1:11:54
  doing that. But if it's just a situation
• 1:11:57
  that's unhealthy and toxic, I like something called a
• 1:12:00
  temporary time out, which is, hey, we're going to have a
• 1:12:03
  clarifying conversation. We love you.
• 1:12:06
  This year. We're taking a break from the
• 1:12:07
  holidays. We're not going to see you and
• 1:12:11
  we'll pick it up next year and have a discussion.
• 1:12:13
  We're not going to keep doing what we've been doing for a good
• 1:12:16
  to start bad must end. So we're going to reset how we
• 1:12:19
  do holidays, especially maybe now that we got kids.
• 1:12:22
  And after the holidays, we're going to see how it goes without
• 1:12:26
  you. And if, if in the future we'd
• 1:12:28
  like to re engage, we'd like to reconsider the terms of
• 1:12:33
  agreement. Because usually what happens is
• 1:12:34
  so you got a toxic family, you grew up in that family, you
• 1:12:37
  don't know it's toxic, you know, and then you get married and
• 1:12:41
  then you realize, OK, my family is a little unhealthy or toxic,
• 1:12:45
  but then you and your spouse, you just sort of endured acts
• 1:12:48
  like, well, it's family. We've always done Christmas with
• 1:12:50
  our family and then it reaches a point where it starts to create
• 1:12:53
  tension and anxiety between you and your wife.
• 1:12:56
  And you're like, now we're creating a negative anniversary
• 1:12:58
  on the holidays and then you add kids and that's when it breaks
• 1:13:01
  and you're like, I would never allow my kids to be in this
• 1:13:04
  environment for the holidays. Why would I allow that if it's
• 1:13:08
  with relatives? And so you don't allow access to
• 1:13:11
  your family based upon blood but based upon character.
• 1:13:15
  And if somebody is unsafe or unwell, it doesn't matter what
• 1:13:18
  their last name is. They get treated as someone who
• 1:13:21
  is unsafe or unwell and they're welcome to repent and or get
• 1:13:24
  help and as a result re enter in a healthy way.
• 1:13:28
  Yep. It's very good, very good one.
• 1:13:31
  One thing Ashley and I did just early in our marriage, and it
• 1:13:34
  wasn't in out of spite towards anyone, we just went and made
• 1:13:38
  some memories. Like on Thanksgiving by
• 1:13:40
  ourselves. We went to South Carolina,
• 1:13:42
  picked a town we'd never been to, stayed on a lake on a crisp
• 1:13:48
  Thanksgiving week, and we just made memories on our own and we
• 1:13:50
  did a vision retreat. We set the vision for our
• 1:13:52
  marriage the next year. And sometimes it's just good to
• 1:13:55
  make, especially the early in your marriage to make some
• 1:13:57
  memories that are together and then as kids are invited in, I
• 1:14:01
  think it's great to do Thanksgiving as big families and
• 1:14:03
  they're very fun. And we we love doing holidays at
• 1:14:07
  your guys's house and but it's very fun early on your marriage
• 1:14:10
  to really get get close with each other and and have some
• 1:14:13
  memories to draw from in the future.
• 1:14:15
  Well, and, and, and in closing, so from the, from the older
• 1:14:17
  generation standpoint, there's a bit of grief in that.
• 1:14:21
  Like, you know, I mean, now Ashley was my daughter.
• 1:14:24
  Now she's your wife. She's still my daughter, but my
• 1:14:27
  job is to go down the totem pole.
• 1:14:29
  I was the first man and then you're here now I'm the second
• 1:14:31
  man. Now Indy's Warren, I'm in third
• 1:14:33
  position, you know, like my job is to keep working my way down
• 1:14:36
  the totem pole. And, and I'm glad that she's
• 1:14:39
  loved and married, But for older generations, you've got to
• 1:14:42
  emotionally process that like, because most parents have a
• 1:14:45
  dream of what life and relationships and holidays will
• 1:14:49
  look like. But once your kids get married,
• 1:14:52
  you can't give them your dream. You need them to pray and you
• 1:14:55
  need they asked them what their dream is.
• 1:14:57
  And, and so like with that first Thanksgiving, I was like, OK,
• 1:15:00
  Ashley's not going to be here. Like, she's happily married.
• 1:15:03
  She's differentiated. She's left her father and
• 1:15:05
  mother, but she's gone, you know, And so enjoy your kids as
• 1:15:10
  long as you have them hold a relationship in an open hand,
• 1:15:13
  come with a posture of service. But even like this year for the
• 1:15:16
  older generations, we met with, you know, we talked to you and
• 1:15:19
  Zach and Calvin, the three heads of household, because you guys
• 1:15:22
  have all got your own families. Like what do you guys want to do
• 1:15:24
  for Thanksgiving And, and you're all pretty much like we've got
• 1:15:27
  the week off of work. We want to go do stuff with our
• 1:15:29
  wives, with our kids. We want to do our family things
• 1:15:32
  like, well, what would work? They're like, well, let's not do
• 1:15:34
  Thanksgiving on Thursday. Let's do it on Monday, 'cause we
• 1:15:38
  all work, you know, Saturday, Sunday with church, but then
• 1:15:41
  Monday, let's do Thanksgiving and then you guys can have the
• 1:15:44
  whole week with your family, travel, go do what you want,
• 1:15:47
  make your own memories. Even if you want to do your own
• 1:15:49
  Thanksgiving and have friends or whatever, you can do whatever
• 1:15:52
  you want. And so it's, it's as an older
• 1:15:54
  generation coming along and just realizing all the wonderful
• 1:15:59
  things that the Bible says about serving and trying to take that
• 1:16:02
  position of how do we serve your family?
• 1:16:05
  And if that's the position, usually you can work out the
• 1:16:07
  details. Yeah, you guys do a great job of
• 1:16:11
  honoring each relationship and making it easy and making it
• 1:16:16
  very life giving your your considerate of of.
• 1:16:19
  Try to be. Yeah.
• 1:16:20
  So we, we appreciate it. It's very helpful.
• 1:16:23
  Did you have something to add? No, that was great.
• 1:16:25
  OK, the next question for John. I love that they believe that
• 1:16:29
  this is a good question for you. What can women do to raise
• 1:16:34
  strong young men who love the. Lord oh, there was a book
• 1:16:37
  recently read in there. That's great.
• 1:16:42
  Is that what you were tilting your hand towards?
• 1:16:44
  My wife wrote a book called Boyhood Resurrected.
• 1:16:47
  So whoever gave whoever's leading us down that you guys
• 1:16:51
  are racist, I see you're supporting you love us.
• 1:16:53
  I see you. I thank you for that.
• 1:16:55
  My wife wrote a very, very good book.
• 1:16:58
  I am very proud. It's not just because I think
• 1:17:00
  she's a hottie and I'm, I'm sweet on her.
• 1:17:03
  It's legitimately a good book. It's called Boyhood Resurrected,
• 1:17:06
  and what we found is we're raising two boys, wild and free,
• 1:17:11
  boys that also have the most. Respect, Feel wonderful.
• 1:17:14
  The boys are right here. Kind boys I've ever met.
• 1:17:17
  Shout out to the love of boys, yes?
• 1:17:20
  Well done kids, well done. What we found it early in our
• 1:17:25
  marriage was that we need to be on the same page.
• 1:17:30
  When kids were little, it was really the mommy show.
• 1:17:33
  Her job is to kind of keep them alive and my job is to make them
• 1:17:36
  strong. There's a bit of a hand off.
• 1:17:38
  As kids get older and older, especially boys, they start
• 1:17:41
  gravitating more toward dads. And then moms feel threatened by
• 1:17:45
  that. I'm like, I'm losing my hold and
• 1:17:46
  accidentally they'll end up infantilizing them and keeping
• 1:17:50
  them young when they should be allowing them to take risks.
• 1:17:53
  Boys that are not allowed to take risks, fail, get hurt, skin
• 1:17:58
  knees, climb trees higher than you think they should.
• 1:18:01
  You're laughing because they lost an airplane.
• 1:18:03
  My 11 year old lost an airplane and a tree 50 feet not exact 50
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  feet up. He mowgled up there, got the
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  plane that is at 50 feet. Your wife left with my wife.
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  I'm standing there with two boys in a public park.
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  A lady's calling the cops on me. This I didn't know you.
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  She's calling the cops because I'm being so unsafe and I'm
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  like, great, they're not my kids.
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  That wasn't helpful to that. Into my wife's credit of like,
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  we want to eliminate the death stuff of like we, we can handle
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  a broken arm, we can't handle a broken neck.
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  And so we're going to figure out how.
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  I Facetimed you guys immediately and Becca's like send it, send
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  it. I don't want to.
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  Watch We've been watching them climb trees for a long time.
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  And these boys get down. They're like, we've never
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  claimed anything that big. No, but they've done 40, they've
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  done 30, and before that did they did 20 and they did 10.
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  There's something very, very terrible and very risky about
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  not letting a boy experience risk.
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  If you don't let him experience risk, he doesn't grow to be a
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  man. He needs to become strong.
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  And the only way you can get strong is through suffering and
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  through failing forward and through those skin knees.
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  And so the idea is mom keeps them alive and dad pushes the
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  envelope and makes them strong. And through the tension of mom
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  and dad working, you're able to grow a boy into a man.
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  Now, if mom is always getting her way, he's going to be a week
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  a feat. He's going to live in the
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  basement on the couch playing video games.
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  He'll be a failure to launch. He will never stand on his own 2
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  feet and be a strong man. Cannot.
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  That's how it's going to be. He's going to be an entitled
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  brat. If dad always gets his way, he
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  is. Maybe he gets good job and
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  captain of industry and he takes off and he wins trophies, but
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  he'll never keep a family together.
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  He he won't have that emotional sensitivity and ability to
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  steward relationships and so he can win stuff, but he can't keep
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  anything. And so it is through the tension
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  of a nurturing and loving mom and a strong dad that allows
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  them to learn how to navigate and grow into manhood.
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  And one of the best things mom can do is carve out a place for
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  dad to be a dad. And so he's going to be better
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  at solving certain problems. Some some moms are suffering
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  under the difficulty of I can't get my kid to eat food.
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  All men know how to solve that problem immediately.
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  I can solve it tonight forever. Hey, kid.
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  You got 30 seconds to eat your dinner here.
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  Nope. You're not doing it.
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  Alright. Fantastic.
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  Go to bed. Like go to bed.
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  It's 7:00. Nope.
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  Don't parent my parenting. You tagged out.
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  I'm in, don't no, you, you tagged out.
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  Am I, am I, am I able to parent here?
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  But this is typically where the modern feministically trained
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  woman jumps in and ask dad to parent.
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  The moment he starts, she jumps in to protect the kids.
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  And what the dad learns after a while is ah, I'm not falling for
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  that again, I'm not doing that. I'm like, Nope, you do it.
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  Whatever, just I'm watching the game or whatever.
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  And it's because she invites dad, but then immediately cuts
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  him off at the pass. And so if, if you want him to
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  solve a problem, let him solve the problem.
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  Bite your tongue. It's going to be so hard,
• 1:21:04
  ladies, but do it and it'll solve the problem.
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  I remember my oldest, I'm looking at him right now, but he
• 1:21:09
  didn't want to eat his food. I just sent him to dinner.
• 1:21:11
  I sent him to to bed and it was like the sun was still up.
• 1:21:14
  And so my wife is like, you can't do that.
• 1:21:17
  I'm like, I can. Absolutely.
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  I'm literally it's happening now.
• 1:21:20
  Beat it, kid. Go to bed, go to bed.
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  I will not see you again. And he's crying and I'm like,
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  cry quiet. You may cry, but you have to cry
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  quietly. If you want to cry loud, I will
• 1:21:31
  come spank you for it until you learn to cry quietly.
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  And so and some people like you're being harsh.
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  I'm like, no, I'm solving a problem.
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  I'm training my son. I, I love him enough to do this.
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  This is hard to do. This was hard on me.
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  A few 8 hours later a meeting was called.
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  My son summoned me and I went and he was ready to eat and I
• 1:21:51
  took him his cold dinner. And I remember him.
• 1:21:53
  I remember it so vividly. And he was eating spoonful after
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  spoonful, happily, smile on his face and big tears rolling down
• 1:22:02
  his chubby cheeks as he ate that food.
• 1:22:04
  And he'd known. If you don't eat it tonight,
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  this will be your breakfast. If you don't eat it for
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  breakfast tomorrow, that's fine as well.
• 1:22:11
  You never have to eat again. But when you do, son, it will be
• 1:22:15
  this meal. So help me God, you will never
• 1:22:18
  eat again. But this will be.
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  And we never had a problem again.
• 1:22:20
  It was done. She begged him to eat for two
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  years. I can solve this problem in one
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  night. And that was the loving, right
• 1:22:27
  thing to do. So respect your husband's
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  ladies, allow him to parent, allow him to get in there and
• 1:22:34
  show him the role of a mom, the role of a dad, and how that
• 1:22:37
  works together. But if you model a good
• 1:22:39
  marriage, they'll grow up to be strong men and be able to be
• 1:22:42
  capable of a good marriage. Love it, love it.
• 1:22:44
  Pastor John, thank you so much for joining us on today's show.
• 1:22:48
  Thank you all for tuning in to this Mark Driscoll show with our
• 1:22:52
  first ever guest, Pastor John Lovell.
• 1:22:54
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