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Rugby Direct - Episode 139 · Rugby Direct

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  Speaker 2: As I said, it's good to be in Sydney.
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  Speaker 3: We've just arrived inside the last hour or so and
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  Speaker 3: thought what better to do than get our headsets on
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  Speaker 3: and start recording a podcast.
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  Speaker 4: Yes, it is great to be back gazing Nancy Elliott Anger,
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  Speaker 4: great to hear you've patched packed the budgy smugglers or
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  Speaker 4: raring to go, and also just looked through the pillow
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  Speaker 4: selection here and I will confirm to our Allison's you've
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  Speaker 4: gone with the latex pillow option and I will leave
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  Speaker 4: you to that later.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you very much.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, the loc at reception was running me through the
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  Speaker 3: options and there are many and I look forward to
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  Speaker 3: We here for six nights and there are six options.
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  Speaker 3: So between the buckweet, the micro five with the latex,
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  Speaker 3: the goose down for the memory foe and the can
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  Speaker 3: pressed microfiber, we are going to get a good night's sleep.
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  Speaker 3: But we are here for the Test match between the
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  Speaker 3: All Blacks and Australia gap and a big Test match
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  Speaker 3: at that Liam. The All Blacks heading into this one
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  Speaker 3: haven't lost to Australia in a few years, but you
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  Speaker 3: know they're under a little bit of pressure given those
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  Speaker 3: defeats in the Republic and leading to set things up
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  Speaker 3: for you know, the Blooder's Low Cup and retaining that
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  Speaker 3: under their new coach Scott Robinson as.
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  Speaker 5: A pretty intense back drop, isn't it.
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  Speaker 4: The Great Seal Blacks almost a bit of a lose
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  Speaker 4: lose situation coming to face the Wallabies Arabic they are
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  Speaker 4: expected to win and win well retain the bleederslop continue
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  Speaker 4: that twenty one year dominance and if they don't then
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  Speaker 4: the Wolves really potentially start to cave in. The Wallabies
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  Speaker 4: are coming off that massive defeat in Argentina where they
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  Speaker 4: conceded sixty seven points, so you think it'll be quite
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  Speaker 4: tense in that all black environment.
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  Speaker 5: They need a win. Lost three of the last four.
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  Speaker 4: They did some things really well in South Africa but
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  Speaker 4: couldn't get over the line. But this is uncharted territory
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  Speaker 4: for Raza, really, isn't it. A perennial winning coach who's
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  Speaker 4: not used to this sort of pressure and scrutiny.
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  Speaker 3: Really no, And look test matches and building a test
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  Speaker 3: campaign there's a lot different to a super rugby and
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  Speaker 3: I'm sure in you that coming in. But if he didn't,
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  Speaker 3: it's been spelled up pretty clearly in the last few
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  Speaker 3: weeks with those losses to Argentina or in South Africa,
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  Speaker 3: that you in a super rugby campaign can afford the
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  Speaker 3: odd loss and you know you've got well used to
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  Speaker 3: have the rebels coming up in a few weeks time,
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  Speaker 3: or you had could manager squad this time. And test
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  Speaker 3: rugbit's all about wins and you're expected to win every
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  Speaker 3: time you're on the park, So it is a big
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  Speaker 3: change for the All Blacks. So I guess you look
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  Speaker 3: at the performances in South Africa and on the basis
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  Speaker 3: of that and look at some of the reaction, there's
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  Speaker 3: a feeling perhaps I think that maybe a glass half
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  Speaker 3: full approach.
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  Speaker 2: From some quarters, some quarters not so much.
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  Speaker 3: But I think there's probably a feeling that you know,
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  Speaker 3: this All Blacks team is building. They do need to
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  Speaker 3: get wins, of course on the board, but I think
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  Speaker 3: I was surprised to see perhaps not the level of
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  Speaker 3: concern that maybe I expected to see after that South
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  Speaker 3: African tour.
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  Speaker 4: Yeah, to a degree, I think there's the overriding emotion.
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  Speaker 4: I would say it's frustration because the All Blacks had
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  Speaker 4: those tests that they had gift opportunities at both Allis
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  Speaker 4: Park and Cake Down to put the World Champions away
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  Speaker 4: on their home patch, and they.
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  Speaker 5: Really blew it.
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  Speaker 4: We've gone into the last quarter failings, but there I
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  Speaker 4: think there were the selections which we can touch on,
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  Speaker 4: but game management, execution, under pressure, discipline, A lot of
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  Speaker 4: it was the All Black's own undoing. When the white
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  Speaker 4: hot heat of playing the World Champions and those sort
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  Speaker 4: of atmospheres came on, they didn't react they didn't handle
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  Speaker 4: that well. There's big questions about the bench the finish
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  Speaker 4: to those matches, so there are some real pressing concerns
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  Speaker 4: for this all Black team. But yeah, there are positives.
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  Speaker 4: The four pack fronted well the scrum. I would expect
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  Speaker 4: them to crush the Wallabies given what we saw in Argentina,
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  Speaker 4: the emergence of some youth that needs to be promoted.
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  Speaker 5: So it's certainly not all doom and gloom.
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  Speaker 3: You wrote a piece saying it's time to embrace basically
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  Speaker 3: the younger generation of the All Blacks for the New
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  Speaker 3: Zealand Herald and you can read that piece online. Now,
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  Speaker 3: I guess for listeners that maybe haven't read it, who
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  Speaker 3: should go read it, But I guess that you're you're
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  Speaker 3: reasoning behind so your arguments in that piece.
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  Speaker 4: I just think it's very evident in what we've seen
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  Speaker 4: from guys like Wallace the TT and that was a forced.
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  Speaker 5: Change through injury.
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  Speaker 4: My feeling is Ras has been very conservative in his
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  Speaker 4: selections just to this Tenure seven tests, in the selections
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  Speaker 4: of Sam Kine and TJ ped and Ara in particularly.
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  Speaker 4: You can understand that to a degree, But I just
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  Speaker 4: think it's it's time we're starting a new World Cup cycle.
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  Speaker 4: Wallace to Tt, Billy Proctor, Cortratama. I know Ken Rogard's
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  Speaker 4: going to be coming back. And then in the next
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  Speaker 4: couple of weeks we've seen to Bouvia stand up big
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  Speaker 4: time in South Africa, so tom Ty Williams as well.
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  Speaker 4: So it's the youth that's really starting to put their
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  Speaker 4: hand up and perform from the All Blacks, and I
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  Speaker 4: just think it's time to embrace that and to go
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  Speaker 4: further with it because to this point, I feel like
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  Speaker 4: Rais has been quite reluctant, quite conservative.
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  Speaker 5: It's been a tough start.
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  Speaker 4: You know, it's massive changes and coaching and the head
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  Speaker 4: le on McDonald's exit, but I just feel like he
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  Speaker 4: needs a bit a bit more brave and bold, and
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  Speaker 4: that's not easy because you don't get time to find
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  Speaker 4: your feats. You're expected to win every test and now
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  Speaker 4: the pressure is really on. But the overriding feeling for
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  Speaker 4: me is he needs to double down and bring through
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  Speaker 4: this youth.
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  Speaker 5: Not not a Baby Blacks team.
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  Speaker 4: Because that would be reckless, but there's enough experience within
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  Speaker 4: this All Blacks script to bring through the youth, don't
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  Speaker 4: you think.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I think so and you know someone like Billy
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  Speaker 3: Proctor played very well in that Test against Fiji, hasn't
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  Speaker 3: been seen well apart from the ran for the Shield
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  Speaker 3: game yesterday since in All Black Studsey. You know Noah
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  Speaker 3: Hotham is probably going to be the third best option
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  Speaker 3: for the All Blacks when Cam Royguard is fit.
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  Speaker 2: TJ.
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  Speaker 3: Pier and Are is currently there, but I don't know
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  Speaker 3: if he's going on the interview tour. I don't know
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  Speaker 3: what the situation is there, but perhaps look to the
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  Speaker 3: future and getting someone like him. He hasn't played and
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  Speaker 3: he didn't go and play for Tasman in the Shield
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  Speaker 3: Challenge either, so he hasn't played for a lot. And
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  Speaker 3: it's not about getting players game time, but it is
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  Speaker 3: about developing.
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  Speaker 2: These players so as they build.
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  Speaker 3: Over the next four years and ultimately that is their
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  Speaker 3: aim of winning the twenty twenty seven World Cup that
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  Speaker 3: they're in a position to do. So I think that's
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  Speaker 3: twenty twelve when you know Steve Hansen blooded what was
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  Speaker 3: a pretty special generation or mini generation I suppose you
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  Speaker 3: call it of players you know, Sam cain Bot and
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  Speaker 3: Barrett Aaron Smith all came in, yeah, all the same
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  Speaker 3: time in that Irish series, and you know it wasn't
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  Speaker 3: you know iron push for them in one Test match
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  Speaker 3: but went great across that series. So it was slightly
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  Speaker 3: different DA having to play England early on and then
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  Speaker 3: two Tests in South Africa and that sort of thing.
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  Speaker 3: But those players stood up and took their chances. I
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  Speaker 3: think we've seen that with the younger players that have
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  Speaker 3: had their opportunities this year, that they've been able to
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  Speaker 3: do that and take their chances and step up in
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  Speaker 3: the Test match environment.
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  Speaker 2: So that in mind.
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  Speaker 3: I guess we look at the match of this week, Lamb,
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  Speaker 3: and which do you see further tweaks to this All
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  Speaker 3: Blacks team. I guess we've got Ethan black add A
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  Speaker 3: potentially coming back, Caleb Clarke, k Patrick Deuey Bloto back
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  Speaker 3: with the side as well. No, Fletcher Newell hasn't traveled
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  Speaker 3: over due to an injury, so there are a few
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  Speaker 3: ways they can spin it this week. But do you
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  Speaker 3: see the possibility of making some more wholesale changes or
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  Speaker 3: bigger tweaks to this All Black team as they prepare
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  Speaker 3: for this game against.
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  Speaker 2: The Australian in Toney?
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  Speaker 5: Yeah? I hope so, I really do.
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  Speaker 4: I think both of us have been strong advocates, particularly
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  Speaker 4: around the loose forwards, to give Wallace a TC a
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  Speaker 4: start at number eights, and I would love to see that.
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  Speaker 4: I would love to see them put RDI to seven.
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  Speaker 4: I think the style of play, I expect this test
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  Speaker 4: to be a lot more open, free flowing, expansive to
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  Speaker 4: a degree than what we saw against the spring Box,
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  Speaker 4: and that suits natural ball carriers athletes more so than
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  Speaker 4: a Sam Kaine. There is a rationale for picking Sam
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  Speaker 4: Kaine against the spring Box because it is going to
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  Speaker 4: be tired, physical, it's combative, and he played really well.
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  Speaker 4: But he's not the future of this All Black team.
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  Speaker 4: So let's start finding out what is the future, particularly
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  Speaker 4: around the composition of the loose forwards.
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  Speaker 5: So I want to see Walla.
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  Speaker 4: Citta a Artie Severe at seven, ethan blackhead it or
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  Speaker 4: potentially Scott Barrett, because we need to talk about Scott Barrett,
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  Speaker 4: because I think he is feeling the weight of expectation
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  Speaker 4: and the demands of being All Black captain because he
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  Speaker 4: hasn't been at his best.
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  Speaker 5: I know he's been in and out through injury.
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  Speaker 4: But he did make one crucial error in that game,
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  Speaker 4: you know, So I think there is a lot more
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  Speaker 4: we can get from this All Black team, and start
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  Speaker 4: it does start, it is highlighted for me by the
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  Speaker 4: loose forwards.
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  Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't think moving Scott Barrett to blindside is
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  Speaker 3: a long term option for the All Blacks. He's clearly
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  Speaker 3: one of the best, probably the best lock in the country,
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  Speaker 3: so I I think the time that he's played blindside
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  Speaker 3: is probably in the past. For me, I don't see
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  Speaker 3: any benefit to that. To provile, on the other hand,
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  Speaker 3: is an intriguing option there because the All Blacks still
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  Speaker 3: have considered on the blindside option. While as TG I
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  Speaker 3: thought made a good fist of it in Cape Town,
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  Speaker 3: but the position that he isn't ultimately familiar with. Tod
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  Speaker 3: similar isn't ultimately familiar with blindside, but he started the
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  Speaker 3: opening game of the World Cup there last year, has
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  Speaker 3: the body size, the build. I'd be reluctant a little
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  Speaker 3: bit to do it because I think tupervised now becoming
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  Speaker 3: the lock that the All Black selectors in twenty twenty
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  Speaker 3: saw the promise off and selected him pretty much out
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  Speaker 3: of obscurity to put him into that All Blacks max
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  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty, So I'll be reluctant to do so,
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  Speaker 3: So then I go back to, well, what is the
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  Speaker 3: loose forward trio and maybe you go, you know, Wallace
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  Speaker 3: to Titi at six, eas in Black out of seven
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  Speaker 3: and Ardisavra eight. Perhaps that's to make up you go
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  Speaker 3: with you can you know, switch things around a.
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  Speaker 2: Little bit in there.
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  Speaker 3: But that feels a bit better. I mean, I'd still
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  Speaker 3: like to see someone like Peter Lucky come out of
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  Speaker 3: Wellington and get into that loose Ford trio because then
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  Speaker 3: it's a really powerful six seven eight combination. But for
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  Speaker 3: this test, yeah, I think Ethan Blackhead has played seven
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  Speaker 3: already this year. He's versatile enough to do so. He's
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  Speaker 3: been in some good form. He's probably one of the
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  Speaker 3: all blacks best in the game at Alice Park. Yeah,
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  Speaker 3: so look, I think he's worthy. I know he was
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  Speaker 3: into the last time around and Walls tid he played well,
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  Speaker 3: but I think he's worthy of getting back in that
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  Speaker 3: loose Ford mix.
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  Speaker 5: Yeah.
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  Speaker 4: Peter Luck, I think he has to be in that squat.
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  Speaker 4: He's not there now, but he has to be there
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  Speaker 4: for the end of ye it's always another guy that
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  Speaker 4: is the future. And I agree with you about the
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  Speaker 4: composition of that loose Ford trio.
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  Speaker 5: I just think I think Ethan Blackhead.
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  Speaker 4: Is best at six and like you say, he was
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  Speaker 4: one of the best at Alice Park, so you'd expect
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  Speaker 4: him to possibly slot back in there Elsewhere. Let's talk
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  Speaker 4: about the best three because they had a horror night
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  Speaker 4: in Cape Town, and I think we said last time
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  Speaker 4: out it'd be very surprising to see severese, Mark t
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  Speaker 4: Leer and Will Jordan's start as a back three combination. Again,
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  Speaker 4: what is the All Blacks best back three if everyone's fit.
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  Speaker 3: Well, I don't think they know, and that is an issue.
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  Speaker 3: But again, this is all about this year is yessue
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  Speaker 3: want to win test matches, but it is about finding
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  Speaker 3: out about some players. And you know, Caleb Clark has
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  Speaker 3: had a tough few seasons. You know it was you know,
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  Speaker 3: the Golden Child in twenty twenty, came in and looked very,
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  Speaker 3: very impressive and looked for a long stay in the eleven,
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  Speaker 3: made probably what was an ill fated decision to go
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  Speaker 3: back to the sevens campaign that sort of put him
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  Speaker 3: a step back, had some injuries as well, and now
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  Speaker 3: look at the form he's rediscovered this year is back
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  Speaker 3: to that form. So I think you go with the
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  Speaker 3: hot hand of Caleb Clark. I put Mark to Leira
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  Speaker 3: on the right wing and I'd have Will Jordan fullback.
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  Speaker 3: I think Marchally is an interesting one. I think he
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  Speaker 3: see he's gone a little bit stagnant in the All Blacks.
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  Speaker 3: Jusey Sevier reach I think has gone backwards. He had
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  Speaker 3: a very good opening test of the year. That's quite
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  Speaker 3: a few tests to go now in Dunedin. So I'd
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  Speaker 3: have ye Clark on the left wing mate til they're
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  Speaker 3: on the right end, Will Jordan at fullback?
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  Speaker 5: What so you yeah?
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  Speaker 4: I agree, And I'm thinking longer term as well, because
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  Speaker 4: where the All Blacks were exposed against the boxes under
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  Speaker 4: high ball, and if you think about the India Tour,
• 13:40
  Speaker 4: three massive tests against England, Island, France middle of winter,
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  Speaker 4: it's going to be raining high balls and against the
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  Speaker 4: top tier nations in the world. That's where you're going
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  Speaker 4: to be tested as a bat three. So I agree.
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  Speaker 4: I think Caleb Clark's brilliant in the air we touched
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  Speaker 4: last time on. Will Jordan still finding his feet, hasn't
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  Speaker 4: been in great form on the wing or fullback for
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  Speaker 4: the All Blacks coming back, it's tough going straight into
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  Speaker 4: the Test Arena having not played super maybe lacking confidence
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  Speaker 4: in con tacked after the shoulder injury. But he is
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  Speaker 4: in all likelihood the future for the All Blacks and fullback,
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  Speaker 4: so he needs more time there. And Mark Talia, I
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  Speaker 4: think he's possibly suffering a bit of a lack of
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  Speaker 4: confidence from having to come off the bench, been in
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  Speaker 4: and out of the team.
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  Speaker 5: This coaching team hasn't put a lot of faith in them.
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  Speaker 4: His style should suit the Wallabies, great chance to build
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  Speaker 4: up some confidence again. Looking further ahead, I would like
• 14:39
  Speaker 4: to see a mooning in Naraur given another chance. He's
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  Speaker 4: very good under the high ball. He looks like he's
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  Speaker 4: back and form. He's playing for center for bay Plenty,
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  Speaker 4: very different level to the NPC, several rungs down from
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  Speaker 4: Test rugby, but for me he's a better prospect longer
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  Speaker 4: term than Severe Reese. I think Sevu gets exposed under
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  Speaker 4: the high ball. He's a bit erratic and what he
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  Speaker 4: does quite hard to predict, so it's going to be
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  Speaker 4: interesting to see that long turn. But for this weekend
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  Speaker 4: I agree and that that means Bowden's on the bench.
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  Speaker 2: I think so.
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  Speaker 3: A bit of discussion around Rico Yuwanne and his spot
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  Speaker 3: at center, and we've seen him move to the left
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  Speaker 3: wing in recent times in test matches. Still the school
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  Speaker 3: of thought that maybe that's his best position, But for me,
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  Speaker 3: I think Caleb Clark's deserving of that wing spot, especial
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  Speaker 3: left wing. Rico's not gonna player the right. Club's not
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  Speaker 3: playing the right, so Tim's that left wing spot. I
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  Speaker 3: don't think you moved Rico Yuani at this point. I mean,
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  Speaker 3: I'd love to see Billy prop to get a go
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  Speaker 3: at center, but I don't think you move Rico Yuanne
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  Speaker 3: back to the wing at this point because Caleb Clark's
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  Speaker 3: the more compelling option.
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  Speaker 4: It is an interesting discuss, so it should be a
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  Speaker 4: live discussion because the Cape Town tests, it was very
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  Speaker 4: evident how much more involved and influential Rico was from
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  Speaker 4: the wing than he was at center when he moved
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  Speaker 4: out there. You know, he got the ball in space,
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  Speaker 4: there's so much less for him to think about. But
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  Speaker 4: it was also telling. I think speaking to him, we
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  Speaker 4: had a discussion pod with him maybe the England series,
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  Speaker 4: and he was asked.
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  Speaker 5: I think you're in this chat as well, you know.
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  Speaker 4: How do you feel about potentially going back to the wing.
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  Speaker 4: And his response was quite curtain to the point. Look,
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  Speaker 4: I think we put that I thought we put that
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  Speaker 4: discussion to bed. So clearly he's not interested in that.
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  Speaker 3: Well he's not, but he's not slipping the team. And yep,
• 16:34
  Speaker 3: he wants to play center, but there's you know, Bada
• 16:38
  Speaker 3: Bara wants to play ten. Will Jordans wanted to play fullback.
• 16:41
  Speaker 3: He's finally getting there, but you know, he's not slipping
• 16:44
  Speaker 3: the team. And if Scott Robinson deems that left wingers
• 16:47
  Speaker 3: is best option, then that's where I think you should go.
• 16:51
  Speaker 3: But at this point, Caler Clark I think is the
• 16:53
  Speaker 3: option on the left wing, and that leaves Ricco Yuanni
• 16:56
  Speaker 3: in the midfield.
• 16:57
  Speaker 5: Yeah, I would.
• 16:58
  Speaker 4: Like to see Rico have a start on the wing
• 16:59
  Speaker 4: and see how he goes as well. I think that
• 17:01
  Speaker 4: should be a live discussion and that these are the
• 17:04
  Speaker 4: tough conversations, tough selection decisions at Scott Robinson has to have.
• 17:09
  Speaker 4: I want to see Billy Propter starting this weekend, but
• 17:13
  Speaker 4: I would be surprised given him and Reuben Love and
• 17:17
  Speaker 4: David Hevilly all went back to play NBC last weekend.
• 17:20
  Speaker 4: That's not a great sign. Patrick two Polow Two's probably
• 17:23
  Speaker 4: the one that may come back into the mix. But
• 17:28
  Speaker 4: there's not a great sign to say that that Billy's
• 17:30
  Speaker 4: going to be starting this weekend.
• 17:31
  Speaker 3: No I suspect And this is you know whether the
• 17:34
  Speaker 3: All Blacks kit that win or not. But the fair
• 17:36
  Speaker 3: retainment but is low Cup and maybe in Wellington they
• 17:39
  Speaker 3: make a few changes. They can't win Wellington anyway, so
• 17:42
  Speaker 3: you know the exactly you're going to lose anyway because
• 17:46
  Speaker 3: Wellington's a graveyard. You mentioned Patrick Tweed plot too. He
• 17:51
  Speaker 3: was the incumbent second rower before he got injured, and
• 17:56
  Speaker 3: unfortunate timing for the injury. Obviously, came back early from
• 18:00
  Speaker 3: earlier than anyone expected from the injury, suffered and super
• 18:03
  Speaker 3: rugby and came back and led the team to.
• 18:05
  Speaker 2: The Promised Land. But what do you do with Patrick now?
• 18:09
  Speaker 3: Two point us had a very very good season to
• 18:12
  Speaker 3: this point and stepping in and starting was calling some
• 18:15
  Speaker 3: of the line outs at times as well.
• 18:19
  Speaker 2: So what do you do with Patrick dot.
• 18:22
  Speaker 4: He comes off the bench, because what an athletes to
• 18:25
  Speaker 4: bring off the bench? Size, power, late in the game,
• 18:28
  Speaker 4: tiring athletes, he could call some res real havoc and
• 18:31
  Speaker 4: that's an area that the All Blacks need to address.
• 18:33
  Speaker 4: They tried to do that by putting Boden Barrett and TJ.
• 18:36
  Speaker 4: Petenara back there didn't really work, so it's still an
• 18:39
  Speaker 4: area that they need to refine and focus on. So
• 18:42
  Speaker 4: Patrick two blot will be a big in the other
• 18:45
  Speaker 4: one is Ethan Degrook comes back. So's a discussion there
• 18:49
  Speaker 4: is Mighty Williams better starting or is a better dynamic
• 18:53
  Speaker 4: to bring him off the bench for Ethan the group
• 18:56
  Speaker 4: and the other player I want to put to you
• 18:59
  Speaker 4: is Harry Plummer. So I think him and George Bell
• 19:04
  Speaker 4: are the only ones we haven't seen thus far.
• 19:09
  Speaker 2: Rubin Love and George Bower if you include him as well.
• 19:11
  Speaker 5: Yeah.
• 19:11
  Speaker 4: So look, Damian McKenzie I think has played well at times,
• 19:17
  Speaker 4: but his game management has been underwhelming at times as well.
• 19:23
  Speaker 4: He missed some very crucial kicks in that Cape Town
• 19:26
  Speaker 4: test that were costly. Do we see Harry Plummer against
• 19:30
  Speaker 4: the wall of his not necessarily this week or the next.
• 19:34
  Speaker 3: I think if the All Blacks win in Sydney then
• 19:37
  Speaker 3: you see him potentially off the bench in Wellington. Maybe
• 19:41
  Speaker 3: Rubin Love in Wellington as well. Though it was rather underwhelming,
• 19:44
  Speaker 3: it was one game by Rubin Love's performance and that
• 19:47
  Speaker 3: she'll challenge George Bell. I think it's a really interesting
• 19:53
  Speaker 3: question around George Bell because I suffered on Moore still
• 19:58
  Speaker 3: battling to see at test level the confidence you wanted
• 20:01
  Speaker 3: out of a line out throw. He came on for
• 20:03
  Speaker 3: that period for ten minutes in the game in Cape
• 20:07
  Speaker 3: Town and the All Blacks lineout had a few wobbles.
• 20:10
  Speaker 3: Then Cody Tawis through at the rest of the game
• 20:13
  Speaker 3: and maybe there wasn't a wee injury. Nigel to us
• 20:15
  Speaker 3: offer will But I think George Bell he's going to
• 20:18
  Speaker 3: be there in twenty twenty seven, you would think so.
• 20:23
  Speaker 3: I'd like to see a little bit more of him,
• 20:25
  Speaker 3: but again, don't think it'll be this week in Sydney.
• 20:28
  Speaker 3: I think it's more likely, you know, you get to Wellington.
• 20:31
  Speaker 3: The other one is I guess around to Mighty Williams,
• 20:35
  Speaker 3: your Blacks have been quite comfortable the last couple of seasons,
• 20:37
  Speaker 3: having Ethan de Groote and Trollo Max their starters and
• 20:40
  Speaker 3: then the replacements off with thorn If Fuss and Fletcher Newell.
• 20:43
  Speaker 3: Do you tweak that combination? I mean, you know, to
• 20:46
  Speaker 3: Mighty Williams coming off the bench and showing is powerful
• 20:49
  Speaker 3: scrummaging and ball carrying, maybe a real option, but they've
• 20:55
  Speaker 3: been reluctant at this point to switch to that they're
• 20:57
  Speaker 3: going after this week because Flincher Newell's not there. So
• 21:00
  Speaker 3: maybe you look to Pasily or Tossi for a bench
• 21:04
  Speaker 3: option this week. Having said that, I mean off thing
• 21:07
  Speaker 3: of us it can cover both side. Maybe to Mighty
• 21:09
  Speaker 3: Williams goes to the bench and off for covers tight
• 21:11
  Speaker 3: head this week, but you know, maybe Tossi we get
• 21:15
  Speaker 3: a chance to see him this week.
• 21:17
  Speaker 5: Yeah, another guy that we haven't seen yet.
• 21:19
  Speaker 4: And I watched him play for Bay Plenty at the
• 21:22
  Speaker 4: weekend and he is a real prospect. I think from
• 21:26
  Speaker 4: an elite level. Scrummaging still still a way to go.
• 21:29
  Speaker 4: I don't think you chuck him out against the box yet.
• 21:31
  Speaker 4: But as an athlete, he is mobile, he's fit, he's powerful,
• 21:37
  Speaker 4: he can offload, real big powerful man. So I think
• 21:41
  Speaker 4: you're I think they go to Maighty on the bench
• 21:44
  Speaker 4: with offer toing of.
• 21:45
  Speaker 5: USU because he's got that versatility.
• 21:47
  Speaker 4: But when we talk about these guys, Plumber, Pasilio, Tossi,
• 21:51
  Speaker 4: you know, George Bell, Peter Luckey, these guys are the
• 21:54
  Speaker 4: future Billy Proctor, Ruben Love and at some point you've
• 21:57
  Speaker 4: got to find out about them. Yeah, and the only
• 21:59
  Speaker 4: way to do that is to expose them. We've seen
• 22:01
  Speaker 4: Wallace a t step in and yes he missed three tackles,
• 22:04
  Speaker 4: but he also broke broke six, so that's the upside.
• 22:08
  Speaker 4: So you've got incumbents and some of them playing well,
• 22:12
  Speaker 4: but some of them aren't. And that's where these difficult
• 22:14
  Speaker 4: decisions need to be made. We're halfway into the season
• 22:18
  Speaker 4: now hasn't gone well, so let's make some hard calls,
• 22:22
  Speaker 4: find out some answers, give these guys a bit of chance,
• 22:24
  Speaker 4: and yes it's a balancing act, but I just need
• 22:27
  Speaker 4: I want to see some brave and bold selections.
• 22:30
  Speaker 2: Yeah, on that all.
• 22:32
  Speaker 3: Blake's halfway through the season, seven tests down seven to
• 22:34
  Speaker 3: come give us grade.
• 22:37
  Speaker 4: Only it's just a pass mark for me, five out
• 22:40
  Speaker 4: of ten and that's just scraping by four and three.
• 22:45
  Speaker 4: So you're what is it fifty fifty six percent for
• 22:50
  Speaker 4: Raza to this point mid point in the year, two
• 22:55
  Speaker 4: very patchy wins against England's the Bowden cameo won them
• 22:58
  Speaker 4: the second Test at Eden Park, bad loss to Argentina
• 23:02
  Speaker 4: at home responded really well and then performed well in
• 23:07
  Speaker 4: South Africa Blue. It's so I've been underwhelmed to this point,
• 23:11
  Speaker 4: to be honest.
• 23:12
  Speaker 2: Five and a half out of ten for me, you're
• 23:14
  Speaker 2: always a bit more. You will sea get degrees.
• 23:18
  Speaker 3: Past mark across cross Australia this weekend.
• 23:24
  Speaker 2: Off the back of that heavy defeat.
• 23:28
  Speaker 3: Against Argentina In Argentina, do we see a response from
• 23:32
  Speaker 3: Australia Do they have it in them? What can we
• 23:34
  Speaker 3: expect from Australia this week?
• 23:37
  Speaker 4: I don't expect them to be that bad, but you
• 23:41
  Speaker 4: look through that team and you're still missing some some
• 23:46
  Speaker 4: rare experience, some proven test experience. There's no Will Skelton,
• 23:50
  Speaker 4: they've gone away from Kuwaid Cooper. Still some big question
• 23:53
  Speaker 4: marks at ten some of carev. You know, these guys
• 23:57
  Speaker 4: that have been there, done that are absent and so
• 24:00
  Speaker 4: there's massive question marks.
• 24:01
  Speaker 5: I think they're blooded.
• 24:03
  Speaker 4: You fifteen odd test staboots this year, so I expect
• 24:08
  Speaker 4: them to improve. They'll be hurting massively. That needs to
• 24:12
  Speaker 4: be a line in the sand for them to say
• 24:14
  Speaker 4: we are not that bad and we cannot perform like
• 24:17
  Speaker 4: that again. They were up twenty to three and they
• 24:20
  Speaker 4: lost sixty seven twenty seven or something like that, so
• 24:24
  Speaker 4: they conceded massive amount of points. You know, test sit
• 24:28
  Speaker 4: side should not be folding like that. They're at home.
• 24:32
  Speaker 4: They'll fly under the radar. They've got nothing to lose.
• 24:35
  Speaker 4: It's a free shot at the All Blacks. Nobody expects
• 24:37
  Speaker 4: them to win. To even really get close, they have
• 24:41
  Speaker 4: to be better, you think.
• 24:43
  Speaker 3: So they are going to fly under the radar this
• 24:44
  Speaker 3: week in Sydney. Any hopes so many. They'll get a
• 24:47
  Speaker 3: good crowd, but any hopes of sort of media coverage
• 24:49
  Speaker 3: I think are going to be They'll be fighting for
• 24:52
  Speaker 3: commspaces with two big Nral elimination games this weekend and
• 24:56
  Speaker 3: the Sydney Swan's playing in a Grand final qualify the
• 24:58
  Speaker 3: night before. Very very hard, you'd think for the bledders
• 25:01
  Speaker 3: Low Cup, given the Barbies patchy form to be getting
• 25:05
  Speaker 3: too many cormaches and the broad sheets over here.
• 25:08
  Speaker 4: No, they'll be well done the wrong It is nice
• 25:10
  Speaker 4: to have an afternoon. I think they've done well there
• 25:13
  Speaker 4: to not go head to head with some of.
• 25:15
  Speaker 5: Those big ravel codes.
• 25:18
  Speaker 4: One of the points, how much of a factor is
• 25:21
  Speaker 4: Joe Schmidt and Mike Kron How much inside oil are
• 25:24
  Speaker 4: they going to have Schmidt of course came in mid
• 25:27
  Speaker 4: twenty twenty two with Jason Ryan, massive influence and turning
• 25:32
  Speaker 4: that All Blacks team around and getting them to a
• 25:34
  Speaker 4: World Cup final with the m Foster A bit of
• 25:37
  Speaker 4: shock really when he jumps ship to join the Wallabies.
• 25:40
  Speaker 4: Mike Cron to a lesser extent, he's been out of
• 25:42
  Speaker 4: the All Blacks for a long time. But the key
• 25:44
  Speaker 4: he's through and through to various stute rugby coaches. How
• 25:48
  Speaker 4: much influence can they have in Wallabies All Blacks context?
• 25:53
  Speaker 3: Well, I think he'll know tendencies at players and it's
• 25:57
  Speaker 3: all about imparting that knowledge too to his team. You know,
• 26:02
  Speaker 3: he's he put a little, you know, a lot of
• 26:04
  Speaker 3: his his touches and flourishes on that All Blacks team,
• 26:08
  Speaker 3: and he'll know whether it's you know, Rico Yuani does this,
• 26:13
  Speaker 3: when X y Z happens, or Jordi Barrett does this.
• 26:17
  Speaker 2: You know, he'll know those sort of things. You'll be
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: able to impart them.
• 26:20
  Speaker 3: It's one thing in parting them, it's another actually having
• 26:22
  Speaker 3: the cattle and the players to stop that. And I
• 26:24
  Speaker 3: think that's still the question mark. Josh Matt very very
• 26:27
  Speaker 3: good coach. No one's doubting that. But do the Wallabies
• 26:30
  Speaker 3: have the talent to do it? No?
• 26:34
  Speaker 5: Not really, they don't have the kettle.
• 26:36
  Speaker 4: That not consistently enough. It's not the proven cattle. No,
• 26:38
  Speaker 4: they are in the midst of a massive rebuild. You
• 26:41
  Speaker 4: know Eddie Jones tore down the walls and the rubble
• 26:47
  Speaker 4: still very evident he did.
• 26:51
  Speaker 2: Edie did? Eddie did do that? Right?
• 26:54
  Speaker 3: That'll do us for the first half of a Rugby
• 26:56
  Speaker 3: Direct will take a quick break. Want to check the
• 26:58
  Speaker 3: Black fans when we come back as well their big
• 27:01
  Speaker 3: game at Twickenham.
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• 27:28
  Speaker 3: Time for a final four, Liam, Let's toil the Black
• 27:30
  Speaker 3: Fans first twenty four to twelve lost to England at Twickenham.
• 27:37
  Speaker 3: For me, this was a better performance than the one
• 27:40
  Speaker 3: they turned in at Mount Smart last year against the
• 27:42
  Speaker 3: same my position. There seemed to be a bit more
• 27:44
  Speaker 3: confidence around the game plan and a bit more willingness
• 27:49
  Speaker 3: and readiness to defend, but still some issues. And I
• 27:56
  Speaker 3: commentated this game for gold Sport and iHeart Radio. They
• 27:59
  Speaker 3: had you know, parity probably for the first twenty minutes
• 28:03
  Speaker 3: or thereabouts to the match, but then England went on
• 28:05
  Speaker 3: a tiar and was seventeen al up by halftime, so
• 28:08
  Speaker 3: switched off for a bit. England took advantage, got to
• 28:11
  Speaker 3: twenty four nil. England could have really blown out at
• 28:14
  Speaker 3: that point, but New Zealand got back into the game.
• 28:16
  Speaker 3: Catlin of the hard Coal a couple of really nice
• 28:20
  Speaker 3: tries and she's been outstanding for them this year. Really
• 28:25
  Speaker 3: like the look of Maya Joseph at half back. I
• 28:26
  Speaker 3: think she's excellent. Some of the tactical kicking still not
• 28:29
  Speaker 3: quite there. They've been working on that, I know, but
• 28:31
  Speaker 3: it's still, you know, needs to be a little bit
• 28:34
  Speaker 3: better and needs to have the chasers in the right positions. Yeah,
• 28:40
  Speaker 3: it was positive, there were positives out of that match.
• 28:43
  Speaker 3: I think Isha Lettyinger seeing her back on the park
• 28:46
  Speaker 3: was good. I expected it was going to be a
• 28:50
  Speaker 3: loss in the vicinity of fifteen to twenty points and
• 28:53
  Speaker 3: to come out of a twelve point defeat and probably
• 28:54
  Speaker 3: having the better of the second half. In all honesty,
• 28:58
  Speaker 3: I think is a not necessarily a moral win for
• 29:01
  Speaker 3: the Black fans, but there are signs there that if
• 29:03
  Speaker 3: they keep hammering away get this nineteen combination working, there
• 29:07
  Speaker 3: are things that they can build on ahead of next
• 29:10
  Speaker 3: year's World Cup.
• 29:11
  Speaker 4: You talked before about being glass half full with the
• 29:14
  Speaker 4: all Black swell. That's how I'm looking at the blackfood
• 29:17
  Speaker 4: and spells. And this was a cracking test from a spectacle.
• 29:20
  Speaker 4: It was played in in the afternoon and at Twickenham.
• 29:24
  Speaker 4: They didn't get anywhere near the record crowd, but they
• 29:26
  Speaker 4: have forty one thousand people. Looked like a great atmosphere
• 29:31
  Speaker 4: and the Blackfern's style is captivating to watch, isn't it.
• 29:35
  Speaker 4: They have a crack from everywhere and it was the
• 29:38
  Speaker 4: finishing the finesse was lacking. They struggled at times with
• 29:42
  Speaker 4: England's rush defense, the line out went astray at times.
• 29:46
  Speaker 4: You mentioned the tactical kicking as well, but this was
• 29:49
  Speaker 4: their first, you know, hit out of the year. They've
• 29:52
  Speaker 4: basically come out of provincial rugby. England played France. France
• 29:56
  Speaker 4: by twenty odd points.
• 29:57
  Speaker 3: The previous week the week before the torch with the
• 30:00
  Speaker 3: Wall Rouse May Male journ.
• 30:03
  Speaker 4: Yeah, there's some real talent coming through.
• 30:06
  Speaker 5: You mentioned why, Joseph.
• 30:07
  Speaker 4: I think they had something like nine caps between their
• 30:10
  Speaker 4: you know, nine ten combinations, so being down seventeen and
• 30:14
  Speaker 4: a half time, they could have crumbled and they came
• 30:16
  Speaker 4: back and they held England scoreless after the forty third minute.
• 30:20
  Speaker 4: So there are a lot of positives for this for
• 30:22
  Speaker 4: the Black firms to take out of that into you know,
• 30:25
  Speaker 4: the w x V in Canada. It was a credible performance.
• 30:29
  Speaker 4: I like you expected them to be on the wrong
• 30:32
  Speaker 4: side of the score line, particularly after being that far down.
• 30:35
  Speaker 4: So I'm very much glass half full after that performance.
• 30:38
  Speaker 4: And it was a genuinely cracking contest to watch, just
• 30:42
  Speaker 4: the ball movement, the pace, to the attitude of both
• 30:45
  Speaker 4: teams to have a genuine crack.
• 30:47
  Speaker 5: England scored.
• 30:48
  Speaker 4: You know, they're rolling Wall still bloody tough to stop.
• 30:51
  Speaker 4: But I think overall positive step for the Black Fins.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so, and that England team.
• 30:55
  Speaker 3: You look, you point out the stats, the number of
• 30:57
  Speaker 3: caps that the England team has got.
• 30:59
  Speaker 4: Well, they haven't lost at homes since twenty sixteen, and
• 31:02
  Speaker 4: they've basically.
• 31:03
  Speaker 2: Only one sixteen on trot the.
• 31:05
  Speaker 4: Only loss was the World Cup Final and the US
• 31:08
  Speaker 4: what's sexty odd tests?
• 31:10
  Speaker 3: So phenomenal players and phenomenal players, and you know they
• 31:14
  Speaker 3: continuing to grow that England team with the environment they've
• 31:16
  Speaker 3: gone in England around women's rugby. At the moment, it
• 31:20
  Speaker 3: feels like all going to plan. Those two should meet
• 31:23
  Speaker 3: in the World Cup Final again next year. A lot
• 31:24
  Speaker 3: of water to guide the bridge, but another year for
• 31:26
  Speaker 3: these black fans players to gather under Ellen Bunting. Anything
• 31:30
  Speaker 3: could happen in the year's time, so positive signs there.
• 31:33
  Speaker 3: Topic number two, we heard a new super rugby format
• 31:36
  Speaker 3: announced last week and sixteen weeks, an extra week, not
• 31:43
  Speaker 3: an extra game, but an extra week because each team's
• 31:46
  Speaker 3: now getting two buys. It's going to start on Valentine's
• 31:49
  Speaker 3: Day next year, so very romantic.
• 31:54
  Speaker 2: Way to kick things off and take a flower.
• 31:59
  Speaker 5: Roses to the foot, right.
• 32:01
  Speaker 3: I think the draws out the next couple of days. Yeah,
• 32:04
  Speaker 3: I think quite possibly, But I guess the headline of
• 32:08
  Speaker 3: that format is that there's no Super Round next year.
• 32:12
  Speaker 3: He give them a lawyer on the pod a few
• 32:14
  Speaker 3: months back now and Gold Coast seemed to be an
• 32:17
  Speaker 3: option at that point. We now have heard Perth potentially
• 32:20
  Speaker 3: in twenty twenty six around at Anzac Day Test could
• 32:24
  Speaker 3: be a potential option as well. But the headline of
• 32:28
  Speaker 3: this format is the playoffs. So one plays six and
• 32:31
  Speaker 3: the opening a week of the playoffs two plays five,
• 32:34
  Speaker 3: three plays four, the winners go through the three winners
• 32:40
  Speaker 3: and then a lucky loser to week two. Liam your
• 32:43
  Speaker 3: thoughts please.
• 32:46
  Speaker 4: Well the takeaway we knew that the Rebels exit severely compromised.
• 32:51
  Speaker 4: The draw eleven teams is very problematic, so you have
• 32:54
  Speaker 4: to start a week earlier, it's longer, there's an extra buy,
• 32:57
  Speaker 4: all those things you do not want for a competition.
• 33:01
  Speaker 4: You know, an uneven number of teams makes it complicated
• 33:04
  Speaker 4: and super Aguey knows how to complicate things, don't they.
• 33:07
  Speaker 4: And the finals format is that because if you were
• 33:11
  Speaker 4: going for the easiest, cleanest, simple solution would be to
• 33:16
  Speaker 4: give the top two teams the first week off and
• 33:19
  Speaker 4: then you play on from there. But there's one reason
• 33:23
  Speaker 4: that they haven't done that. That's because they need content,
• 33:25
  Speaker 4: they need games. They want the broadcasters pay for action,
• 33:32
  Speaker 4: don't they. So that's why we've got that format. The
• 33:35
  Speaker 4: only other one they were considering was a top seven.
• 33:37
  Speaker 4: I think they had to Well, the eleven teams, there's
• 33:40
  Speaker 4: no way in hell you could have a top eight
• 33:43
  Speaker 4: that would have been completely Fasted's laughed out of town.
• 33:47
  Speaker 4: So top six was the way to go. But it
• 33:51
  Speaker 4: does seem unnecessarily complicated.
• 33:54
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's the problem is that Jack Besley, the
• 33:58
  Speaker 3: new CEO, and we might get them on the podcast
• 34:00
  Speaker 3: at some point and justifying it was talking about content
• 34:05
  Speaker 3: and content and content sick of that word when it
• 34:10
  Speaker 3: comes to rugby. It's not fans. It's not fans centric,
• 34:13
  Speaker 3: as they keep trying to tell us. It's not fan centric.
• 34:15
  Speaker 3: Fan centric is creating the best possible matches. That's the
• 34:19
  Speaker 3: best content. Content is not extra games. Content is the
• 34:22
  Speaker 3: actual quality of the games that you were serving up.
• 34:25
  Speaker 3: And you can't tell me that giving the top two
• 34:28
  Speaker 3: teams a week off and then having three plays six
• 34:30
  Speaker 3: four b's five with two elimination games is not better
• 34:34
  Speaker 3: content than the games that you've got at the moment,
• 34:37
  Speaker 3: where you could have three v four depending on when
• 34:40
  Speaker 3: they schedule it, and maybe they'll manipulate it, so maybe
• 34:43
  Speaker 3: three four is the first game of the weekend. But
• 34:46
  Speaker 3: you could go have a three v four game where
• 34:48
  Speaker 3: both sides know they're through to the following week.
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: So what are you gonna do? You played Tillywinks for
• 34:53
  Speaker 2: eighty minutes.
• 34:54
  Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not great as that. And the thing about
• 34:57
  Speaker 4: content is actually less is more and you need that Jeopardy. Yeah.
• 35:05
  Speaker 4: And even when competitions expand, they often retract in terms
• 35:11
  Speaker 4: of the number of games. And that's the way forward
• 35:15
  Speaker 4: because saturation doesn't work, you know, just creating content for
• 35:18
  Speaker 4: the sake of it. So that's why if you had
• 35:21
  Speaker 4: the true Jeopardy, you reward those top two qualifiers for
• 35:24
  Speaker 4: their performance throughout the year by giving them the first
• 35:26
  Speaker 4: week off. That's the simplest, cleanest, fairest way to do
• 35:30
  Speaker 4: the top sex format. But because broadcasters and money wins out,
• 35:35
  Speaker 4: that's why we've got this format.
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: We did it is yeah, and that's unfortunate.
• 35:39
  Speaker 3: We'll see what format they come up with in twenty
• 35:41
  Speaker 3: twenty six when the hawaiis how wars are coming back?
• 35:46
  Speaker 3: I saw there's a submission of the Cheetahs them South
• 35:48
  Speaker 3: Africa might come in. Who else can we get in.
• 35:51
  Speaker 5: The Hawaii surfers or something?
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: Yeah, bring that that. Some wolves are at it.
• 35:56
  Speaker 4: We'll work on those names for it always. Maybe maybe
• 36:00
  Speaker 4: your pillow name could wow.
• 36:01
  Speaker 3: Look, yeah, I'll see what that latex pillow has come
• 36:04
  Speaker 3: up with later tonight.
• 36:07
  Speaker 2: Topic three Box Argentina. What do we expect out of that?
• 36:12
  Speaker 3: I mean the Box have least a few players at
• 36:14
  Speaker 3: home for the first league of a series, all these
• 36:17
  Speaker 3: two games that are going to be playing in theory,
• 36:22
  Speaker 3: the Box should you know, be Rugby Championship champions by
• 36:26
  Speaker 3: the end of the week. But Argentina they have sean
• 36:28
  Speaker 3: two wins so far in the tournament that they are
• 36:31
  Speaker 3: not to be taken lightly. And you know with Australia,
• 36:35
  Speaker 3: sorry but sat are living a few players at home,
• 36:38
  Speaker 3: the windows open, the doors opened a little bit.
• 36:40
  Speaker 4: Maybe, yeah, I think so that the Pomas have impressed
• 36:43
  Speaker 4: in this Rugby Championship largely, haven't they beat the All Blacks? Well,
• 36:47
  Speaker 4: they checking wing Hyde. They can't play two good tests
• 36:49
  Speaker 4: in a row. So look, I think it's interesting with
• 36:53
  Speaker 4: the Box phenomenal depth, but there's no doubt that they
• 36:56
  Speaker 4: targeted the All Blacks. That was the pinnacle for them.
• 36:59
  Speaker 4: So there will be a bit of a come down
• 37:01
  Speaker 4: from that both. You know, anytime you split your squad
• 37:05
  Speaker 4: like that, there's a bit of a mental drop off.
• 37:08
  Speaker 4: So yeah, the poem is a real chance and at
• 37:11
  Speaker 4: home I wouldn't expect them to win. The following week
• 37:14
  Speaker 4: back in South Africa. But yeah, anytime you're not playing
• 37:19
  Speaker 4: your top team, you leave the door jar, don't you
• 37:21
  Speaker 4: you do?
• 37:22
  Speaker 3: Yeah, and look, but if they play as well they
• 37:25
  Speaker 3: did against Australia, especially in that second half, then there
• 37:28
  Speaker 3: are a chance of knocking over South Africa and all
• 37:31
  Speaker 3: want to steak and topic number four in the final
• 37:34
  Speaker 3: four the shield.
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: They're anfully shield.
• 37:38
  Speaker 3: Tasman, Nelson, Marlborough, Nelson Bays, Marlborough, the combined province they
• 37:44
  Speaker 3: keep hold of the shield and Wellington sadly for you
• 37:50
  Speaker 3: can't take the shield away from the Auckland. They're going
• 37:52
  Speaker 3: to get a challenge for the first time in nine
• 37:54
  Speaker 3: years or something in a couple of weeks time.
• 37:57
  Speaker 4: But Auckland don't never shit show the way they're playing.
• 38:01
  Speaker 4: The very lucky to beat Northland.
• 38:03
  Speaker 3: Yeah, it wasn't the greatest of shield games. There's a
• 38:06
  Speaker 3: lot of hype during the week about this game. Tasman
• 38:08
  Speaker 3: and Wellingson were unbeat him to that point, didn't really
• 38:12
  Speaker 3: deliver sort of a game broke out in the last
• 38:14
  Speaker 3: fifteen to twenty minutes or so, but it was very,
• 38:17
  Speaker 3: very patchy for the opening fifty to sixty minutes of
• 38:20
  Speaker 3: the game. But yeah, the muckel at home got the
• 38:24
  Speaker 3: job done, Liam, and you're Wellington Lions simply couldn't our Lions, Elliott. No,
• 38:32
  Speaker 3: we update on that. So the Jersey presentation.
• 38:36
  Speaker 4: I skip the country will be done once we get
• 38:39
  Speaker 4: back to Auckland and it will be filmed and posted everywhere.
• 38:43
  Speaker 4: No one's man. But yeah, not a great shield challenge.
• 38:47
  Speaker 4: But look, these are the two best teams in the competition,
• 38:50
  Speaker 4: Tasman Wellington. I expect them to meet again in the final,
• 38:53
  Speaker 4: so significant win for Tasman at Home to back up
• 38:56
  Speaker 4: their ranfully Shieldren Wellington will be disappointed with that. They
• 39:01
  Speaker 4: had their opportunities, they didn't play very well. So credit
• 39:05
  Speaker 4: to the Michael Clay Wilson, our colleague texts me saying
• 39:10
  Speaker 4: plucky out, plucky challenge from a brave lines outfit. So
• 39:13
  Speaker 4: it's fair to say he was. He was very chipper.
• 39:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, very plucky. I mean it's up and comers.
• 39:19
  Speaker 5: Wellington probably rault in the Sellary cap, but it's all right.
• 39:23
  Speaker 4: They going what an accusation, back back to back, back
• 39:26
  Speaker 4: to back titles and coming and then your your signed
• 39:28
  Speaker 4: jersey will be skyrocketing and value.
• 39:31
  Speaker 3: That's right straight to a straight to the trade ball
• 39:35
  Speaker 3: room room.
• 39:37
  Speaker 2: They're all about.
• 39:38
  Speaker 3: Do us for Rugby Direct for this week? Any other
• 39:41
  Speaker 3: points of water that you want to raise?
• 39:43
  Speaker 5: It might be time for some food. I think yeah,
• 39:44
  Speaker 5: I think so, it's time.
• 39:45
  Speaker 2: For dinner here in Sydney.
• 39:47
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