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Ep 39: Transfer Window Done, Derby Day Awaits! · Let's Kick It Off!

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  I'm Steve and I'm joined by Ash and US and it's international
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  break, so we're going to look back on the transfer window
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  window for Manchester United and preview the Derby coming up.
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  So we'll get straight into it. Us lomanz in anana out talk to
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  me. Yeah, it's interesting.
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  I think goalkeeper was a position we discussed right
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  going into the summer is 1 we'd probably want to address, but
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  not high on the priority list, not, you know, as high as the
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  like the attacking positions. What I like about this, yeah, in
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  central midfield. What I like about this, though,
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  is it's a name I hadn't heard of.
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  If you asked me this name three months ago, I, I didn't, I
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  didn't have a clue. And, and we've always said, why
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  do we not sign players that you know, why, why don't we have
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  scouts that can find the next guy?
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  Why is it always someone I knew? And, and, and I think it was
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  interesting that we were linked with Emmy Martinez or Debu
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  Martinez, who he seems to be called that all of a sudden.
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  And Lomond and I know, I know Ash, I don't know about you,
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  Steve, you can tell me was more on the Martinez side of things.
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  But I actually, I'm, I'm glad we went with the, the more unproven
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  guy. I think Debu Martinez obviously
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  has a good reputation, has played in the Premier League,
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  but you know, age wise, the transfer fee being rumoured at
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  something like 40 million wages, just not a transfer that
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  appealed to me that much, as much as I could.
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  We can both see, right? There's an issue with both Onana
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  and by India. We need someone and you'd
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  probably say Martinez is still an upgrade right on both of
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  these guys. But I'm glad we went with a
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  young, younger goalkeeper option.
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  I think it's a bit risky. It'd be interesting to see if he
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  gets thrown in straight away. I don't think so.
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  I think by India started the season well enough.
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  Apart from he can't the you know he hates crosses more than what
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  what what is it Dracula that doesn't like crosses Dracula.
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  I think it's Dracula thinking which which mythical.
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  Dracula or Count Dicular? Which mythical where will stone
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  like the full moon or something? Right.
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  Yeah, right. So it doesn't like he he likes.
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  I thought you're going to break out into Michael Jackson, A bit
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  of thriller, then less than Dracula.
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  That's a full moon tonight as well, but apart.
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  From that he's he's he's he's done OK enough to probably, you
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  know, start against City. But I I don't know.
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  What do you think, Steve? Were you Debu Martinez?
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  Were you Lomongs? Or were you thinking, do we
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  really, do we really even need a goalkeeper, Donna?
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  Kebab. Donna Rumour was the other one.
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  Yeah, I I think that the, the Donna Rumour 1.
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  I don't understand why people even discussing that because
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  he's on like 500 grand a week or something and we're not doing
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  that. Well, you're not the city.
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  There's no surprise. Harlem's on a million, so it
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  doesn't matter with their wage structure.
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  No, but there's no surprise you back this signing because that's
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  that's your style. It's always been that style,
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  right? You like the younger guys, you
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  like, you know, you said it yourself there, the unproven
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  guys to a certain extent. Less on goalkeeper, I have to
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  say I think goalkeeper's a bit risky.
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  I think goalkeeper typically say, oh, experience have a bit
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  of the experience factor. So I, I was thinking, oh, could
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  we have got it can't have been possible because I think they
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  would have done it like Emmy Martinez on loan for a year or
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  something just to yeah, do the. That's what I was supporting.
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  But but that that was obviously not, you know, not viable
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  because if if you could do Martinez on loan, they would
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  have done it. They inquired on that, I think
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  early in the summer about loan. And they did.
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  Phillip basically said no, right?
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  So. Yeah.
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  So for me it always comes back to what's your goal?
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  So clearly the goal is to improve as a team, right?
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  But for me there's a short term goal, there's a medium term goal
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  and there's a long term goal. So medium term goal is Project
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  2028. Is it to win the league?
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  Oh, you're going with the Omar line?
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  It's hard to see. It makes sense, right to to
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  target that. Whether we reach it or not is
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  another question. But then you look at the short
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  term. So yes, the signing of Lamont's
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  medium term. I like the stats look good.
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  I'm sure we'll come on to the stats.
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  You know, the I'm sure like, you know, goals prevented top of
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  Europe that I see, like you know, of all the top European
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  leagues, even crosses. He seems quite proactive of
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  Cross. He made the most saves in Europe
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  last season I think as well. Yeah.
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  So like you get it on paper and 20, it was at €20 million of
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  pounds like roughly in that region like that.
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  Region. So it's like, yeah, it's a, it's
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  a good signing on paper. And this is the key point on
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  paper. The reality is the pressure of
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  Manchester United. We've seen it with an honour,
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  we've seen it with many goalkeepers.
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  Over the last 30 years. We can only name 2 successful
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  goalkeepers since the 90s, right?
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  Schmeichel and Vandisar and Dehaya, You know, to a certain
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  extent, I guess you can put him in there, but you know, he's
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  definitely, that's three goalkeepers in, you know, 30
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  plus years. So we know the pressure of the
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  job. And this is where I think short
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  term goal, yeah, I like, you know, the thought of Martinez on
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  loan. But even if that can't happen, I
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  would have gone for the experience basically.
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  So even if you had to sign Martinez and pay money, even if
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  you had to do Donna rumour, I don't know what the exact wages
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  are, but I would have liked to see experience coming through
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  the door for the short term. That's my take, Ash.
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  What do you think? Yeah, I mean look, like I said,
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  no one knew about him, I'd say 3 weeks ago, let alone three
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  months ago. So for anyone apart from the
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  experts, you know, they're bullshitting whether they know
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  he's good or not. The clips I've seen, I've tried
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  to watch some like actual games as opposed to YouTube clips.
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  It looks good in terms of if you're ticking what you want in
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  a goalkeeper. He's got the height, he's got
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  the size, He looks decent on one.
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  On ones he likes to come out. There's debates about how good
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  he is in the air in terms of at least he likes coming out.
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  I like that in a goalkeeper and you know, whether he's going to
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  be physical enough at the beginning in the Premier League,
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  we'll find out. I agree with us.
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  I can't see him starting in the Derby only because apart from
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  Yeah Bay and being useless on crossing, he's actually been OK
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  with passing. I'm I'm not really sure how good
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  he's been with saving. But yeah, it's a lot of pressure
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  obviously to come into the Manchester Derby on Sunday and
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  start like to give a quick shout out to friend of the pod Ron,
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  because I think all three of us were discussing him.
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  I think last week came across really well on interview.
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  Immediately I felt like I thought Edwin van Desaar in
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  terms of the way he speaks accent wise, obviously being
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  neighbours, being Belgium to the Dutch.
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  And yeah, like, obviously he's up for the challenge and like,
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  he seems like a good head. But to your point, Steve, a lot
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  of boxes ticked, but you got to go out there and do it.
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  And, and that's the the big pressure because the team's not
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  really performing well. And it's, you know, it's, it's a
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  tricky environment. You know, there's a lot of
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  questions already about leadership at the back, so
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  obviously to come into that environment being extremely
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  young as well, especially for a goalkeeper because he's only had
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  one full season with Royal Antwerp as well.
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  So yeah, look, if this was Champ man and I signed him as like my
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  #2 I would have big hopes for him to be the number one in the
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  future for sure. So yeah, I guess my take is a
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  little bit similar with the striker position.
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  Like if it was to me, I would have gone with a more senior guy
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  just because of like how poor last season was.
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  And you know, I guess we'll go on to the games that has been
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  this season as well. You know, like, you know, I
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  hope, I hope obviously he starts off well, but like, it's a lot
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  of pressure. Yeah, as you got some stats from
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  for us on Le Mans. I don't know.
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  I know that I saw them on Sky that his his shot stopping is
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  excellent, right? I don't have them off the top of
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  my head but. Who's the dude that you've been
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  interacting with on Twitter? The is it the BBC guy?
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  Human. Yeah.
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  May Yeah, he did a profile on the on the BBC website and then
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  impressive. Yeah, the stats, yeah.
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  Yes. So I I the, the issue is
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  obviously this is, you know, it's in a a lower level league.
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  It's not big 5 league. He the stats where he's leading.
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  Is this even farmers league? Yeah, it's it's and this is the
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  thing. It's you know, there's it's the
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  the level of competition in the Premier League, the the
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  challenge that he's going to face, ignoring the pressure,
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  just the the level of physicality and the level of
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  quality that he's going to face is, is going to take a step up.
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  The good thing, though, with goal kind of goalkeeping stats
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  is they're not they're not as league.
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  You know, you if you if you can save a shot, that's a good shot.
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  You know it's a good shot, it's a good shot.
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  So you think the conversion rate is like better for a goalkeeper
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  as opposed to say like a striker who scored like 50 goals in
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  Belgium? Yeah, because if you score, the
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  issue with it, let's say a striker is you need to get those
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  chances right. With a goalkeeper, you know, a
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  shot is a shot. So assuming that, you know, he
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  can can replicate his form, it shows that his reactions are
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  good. That's something we know his
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  reactions are good. I was listening to talk of the
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  Devils as well and they had a Belgian expert on and he said,
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  oh, we start the season some of this crossing, you know the
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  cross claiming he's remember this, he's only had one full
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  season. So you start the season a bit
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  tentatively misjudging a few, and then he grew into the season
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  so. Where?
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  Where do you think I nicked the proactive word from?
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  Just listening to Talk Talk the devil's part.
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  I didn't even know that I like that, that I like the
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  proactivity because it that shows another certain mentality,
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  right? Bravery, he's going to make,
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  he's going to make some mistakes and we need to get behind him.
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  So, you know, it's an uncompromising environment.
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  But for me personally, going back to the boring thing of
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  finances, right, if if you if you bring in Donna rumour on 500
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  grand or whatever, what city you've committed to and the 30
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  million, it means that come January or come the summer, you
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  don't have to budget for that midfielder, right.
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  So and and the thing with Donna rumour as well, his stats are
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  not good. He's had he had a bad season
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  last season. He doesn't kick the balls.
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  I'm really curious, you know, preview of the city game coming
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  up later. I'm really curious to see him in
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  the Premier League. So we'll get to see in the
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  Martinez is still in in the league, right with Villa.
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  Though he's got that and for and for the audio listeners, I'm
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  pointing at my mind and mentality.
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  He's still a champion goalkeeper, like regardless of
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  like if he's. Got the if he's got the
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  mentality why in the Liverpool game for example, where PSG not
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  dominated the whole game, Harvey Elliott, they had one shot in
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  the whole game, Harvey Elliott and it went through him, he
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  basically. Was he not quality at Anfield?
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  Donna Rumour. He was OK at Anfield.
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  His his best game in the Champions League was Arsenal.
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  Arsenal, sorry, yeah, oh, he was amazing against Arsenal.
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  And yeah, he, he was, he was good at Anfield like.
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  I think it was the Emirate. I think it was the Emirates
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  game. The Emirates game, he was, no,
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  he was, he was really good in in Paris as well.
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  He just had one shot. They they had one shot and and
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  he went through his hand like if that was.
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  So No, no, no, no, no, you're talking Liverpool, I'm talking
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  Arsenal. Oh yeah.
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  The Arsenal leg he was, he was decent.
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  Arsenal, he was good at Paris. Arsenal were decent.
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  Like, I mean, Arsenal was being Arsenal was being like Stoke,
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  but yeah. He was he was decent, but he's
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  he's dodged for a big guy, he flaps it crosses like terribly.
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  He he's terrible with his feet. So it's really interesting to
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  see do this pep change. And it's the other.
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  It just costs a shit load of money.
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  And you're you're kind of tied into this guy, right.
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  So you've you've committed to him.
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  You can't let him go. Emmy Martinez is what, 33 or
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  something? He's old.
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  Yeah, yeah, he, he, he has makes if you look at his stats,
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  similar to Arnana, lots of mistakes, average gold.
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  Less mistakes. Let's get that right.
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  Less mistakes. No, but his stats are basically
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  the. Same.
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  I know. I I checked him.
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  I checked him first in the summer, but like Anon is in a
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  league of his own and someone made a really good point about
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  OK, nine are recorded, but like there's many others which
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  probably are unrecorded. So but when I checked the
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  Martinez stats early in the summer, yeah, I I agree.
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  And I said this even off the cuff without looking at the
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  stats. He does make mistakes, but it's
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  less to an honour. And I know you were being
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  complimentary about my goalkeeping skills earlier this
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  week or last week, but the point is at the moment we do have to
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  benchmark it against an honour because like he, well, he did
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  have the gloves. But yeah, I do agree in that I
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  would have only done it on loan. I can't spend 40 million pluses
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  wages. For a 33 year old, we'll all
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  agree if we same with Watkins, right?
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  I was like, yeah, I'll have Watkins for a cheap price.
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  I don't want to pay big money for Watkins.
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  Same with Emmy Martinez or DB Martinez.
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  I'm happy where? Did that even come from like?
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  I got confused for a second. It's like.
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  Is this another like defender or goalkeeper?
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  Name and Romano kept using it and now everyone's using it.
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  But again, like if he was on loan and it was cheap 100% I
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  don't want to pay 40 million for this guy.
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  The interesting I was the interesting thing with Onana as
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  well, like he actually had a good first season.
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  So that's the weird like he, he. You mean on expected unexpected
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  goals, right? I think it was about 9 1/2.
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  So 09 there is the so you know how I've always gone, oh you
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  know what, 10 hugs second season was terrible and we should have
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  fired him. And actually 10 hugs 2nd 10 hugs
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  trending was as bad as Amrim was last season.
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  It's just that he got lucky and a lot of that was so I was
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  looking at the the numbers in both last season and the season
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  before unexpected goal difference.
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  We're 15th. So we're we're terrible under 10
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  Hug, right? We all knew that we could see
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  that with our eyes. We were watching the games going
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  this is terrible. The other team is like throwing
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  shots at us for fun. And I looked at the the numbers
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  and we conceded 58 goals and we came 8th right, conceded 58
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  goals, but the expected goals against was 69.
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  It's insane how bad we were. And actually Onana was keeping
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  Onana basically kept 10 hog season afloat.
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  I think he's was he in goal for the penalty shootout?
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  The Coventry one as well, if I'm not mistaken.
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  Yeah, yeah. So like he did?
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  He did. He cost us the Champions League
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  though, right? He three goals in, he was
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  terrible in the Champions League, yeah.
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  And a lot of people remember that, a lot of.
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  People remember that. No, no, no, he started, he
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  started really badly. Like when he first came to the
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  club he started really badly but then he he picked up and he
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  basically kept because we we were getting terrible and he
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  kept us in it with a lot of great saves.
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  So think people always look at the mistakes but never really
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  remember the saves. But we were conceding so many
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  shots and so many shots. He was making lots of good
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  saves. But he he last season, he was
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  just bang average, like really average.
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  So like the mistakes that the good saves were then outweighed
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  by the mistakes. And then he's a confidence guy.
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  His confidence was waning. So he was on the yeah, but I
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  think he's especially a confidence guy, right?
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  You could see that he'd lost it. And I think what was really
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  interesting was I don't think that and all the reporting is we
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  weren't really looking to replace him, but he came back
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  with this injury. He then didn't start the first
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  game. He then had pay rise contract is
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  the big one, had a howler against Grimsby and I think
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  that's what triggered the club to go.
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  You know what? Enough is enough.
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  What did I tell you? What did I tell you after
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  Arsenal has You got to start trusting my gut, my friend I.
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  Think the contract, I think the contract was the big one though,
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  because Grim by Grimsby, he was done anyway because already by
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  that point it's two games. So obviously that was reported
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  by Lori Workwell from The Athletic.
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  So obviously that's only come to like really in the last like 2
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  weeks I guess. So I think that's the big one.
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  And Reuben's probably taken it like he's taking it with
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  everyone else. Rashford Garnacho with attitude
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  and just like, if you don't want to be here or you got the
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  arrogance to think like you can come back after a season like he
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  had and ask for a new contract. Because essentially it's because
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  we're not in the Champions League, right?
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  And all all the players have taken a 25% wage here.
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  So I I what is? A cup going to Turkey.
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  Yeah, exactly. Probably the worst team though,
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  out of all of them, out of the big ones he could have gone to.
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  But at least he'll get good weather and good food.
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  So yeah. I think it's, it's actually a
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  smart move from the club to get rid of him because I don't think
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  going into the season with these three in the mix would have been
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  helpful for anyone really. At least it's a battle for two.
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  And realistically, Lamont is going to win that battle,
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  whether it's on the Derby or whether it's five games down the
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  line, right? Like, surely by December, Lamont
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  is going to be #1 surely? I'm going to put it out there
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  right now though, because it's been like that this under
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  Reuben. I just hope Reuben actually
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  wanted him in the first place and it's not like a club sign in
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  like some other signings that have happened in the last one to
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  two years. What I don't understand why do
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  you hope that? Isn't it better that the club is
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  finally taking control over managers?
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  No, because we we've seen the problems, right?
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  I mean, we've massively argued. Is Ruben Amrim some kind of
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  goalkeeping expert? Scouting expert?
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  Like why should he decide who the goalkeeper?
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  Is because he's the manager and you've seen how he's reacted and
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  acted during his tenure. At times he can be like a
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  spoiled little child in terms of his attitude to certain things.
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  So the whole point is a club. We need to get away from this
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  manager focused signings. Yeah, well, we'll find out,
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  right? That's what I'm saying.
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  Like I'm hope, because to Steve's point, I'm hoping by
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  December he's the established #1 if he's not, that's a problem.
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  And that's that'll be down to Reuben and what he thinks of Le
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  Mond. So that's what I'm saying.
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  I hope it was done. With absolute blessing from
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  Reuben that he will actually use him.
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  And we know we've seen this with other signings over the last
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  like, you know, 12 months. Like is it a club signing or you
• 20:23
  know, did the did the manager really want him?
• 20:25
  Right? Like there's all the rumours
• 20:27
  about 10 Argon, which ones he wanted and didn't want or
• 20:30
  players are sold as well. But yeah, that's probably to
• 20:34
  something to watch. I just wanted to go back to the
• 20:38
  expected goals that an honour had saved for 2324, because I
• 20:43
  think I talked about this, you know, pre pod days, like David
• 20:48
  Dehaya in that scenario, in those scenarios, I wonder what
• 20:52
  his, you know, expected goal save would have been because.
• 20:57
  Oh. We've got it.
• 20:57
  I can get it for you. Oh yeah, he had an David Dehaya.
• 21:02
  Was no, But you won't. You won't.
• 21:04
  What I mean is, if Dehaya was in goal for that 2324 season, can
• 21:08
  you do that? No, you can't.
• 21:11
  You can't template it. But yeah, that's.
• 21:13
  What I'm saying? What you can do is you can go
• 21:15
  through someone's. We don't have all the numbers
• 21:20
  forever, but you can basically have a look at.
• 21:23
  So we've got on the public stat right, the Optus stats from
• 21:27
  20/17/18. David de Haya IN201718 is the
• 21:31
  reason Jose Mourinho is United came second and it's the same
• 21:35
  thing. I'm saying the differential that
• 21:38
  a goalkeeper can have if they have a standout season.
• 21:41
  So we were actually the 6th best team in the league that year and
• 21:44
  we finished second. Joseph says.
• 21:45
  This is my best achievement. I'm so great, could you how good
• 21:48
  I am? Could you look into this then
• 21:50
  like quickly if it's possible Onana either into Malana and
• 21:55
  Ajax to see have he has he got any season where it was like,
• 21:59
  you know that 2324 because his reputation obviously is more of
• 22:04
  a ball ball playing goalkeeper. Yeah, from that one game we will
• 22:09
  watch the Champions League final.
• 22:10
  No, no, no. He, his reputation at Barcelona
• 22:14
  and and Iax was that he was a ballplayer.
• 22:17
  Look, I got sucked in just like everyone else.
• 22:19
  I'm just for the record, like I'm not gonna listen to Italian
• 22:23
  pundits when they come to the Premier League, like the players
• 22:27
  from Syria. The.
• 22:28
  Thing with the problem with that is I think the Athletic might
• 22:32
  have written an article on this as well.
• 22:33
  The goalkeeping expert, The Athletic is that we didn't use
• 22:37
  his ball playing ability. We started going long and it's
• 22:39
  like the whole point of Anana is you, you his short passing,
• 22:43
  right? And 10 hog was like booting it
• 22:45
  long. Amrim as well hasn't really, we
• 22:48
  haven't really settled in that build up shape.
• 22:51
  And ideally you'd have, you know, Martinez there on one side
• 22:56
  and Euro on the other, you know, to do that early build up, but
• 22:59
  he's long kicking's not very good.
• 23:01
  So yeah, I can tell you right. So the he actually had two
• 23:07
  excellent seasons in 1920 and 2021 for Ajax shot stopping wise
• 23:12
  below average the season before he left.
• 23:15
  And actually in the in Surya, he was below average shot stopping
• 23:20
  in his in his one season into But if I go to the Champions
• 23:24
  League, this is where he this is where he made his his, his
• 23:28
  reputation. He made his reputation in that
• 23:31
  one game come. On No, no, no, no, no, no, no.
• 23:35
  It was across the Champions League.
• 23:36
  So in his Champions League season, they played 1313
• 23:41
  nineties. He in just 13 games saved 7 1/2
• 23:45
  goals more than expected, which is ridiculous, absolutely
• 23:49
  ridiculous. So he had this unbelievable,
• 23:53
  yeah, Champions League 6 season at Inter and it kind of built
• 23:57
  his reputation. The thing is, across all of
• 24:00
  these, I've watched Zenina for a while.
• 24:03
  He's always had a mistake in him.
• 24:04
  He's just one of these guys that stylistically and his technique
• 24:09
  as well, he's he's always had a mistake in him.
• 24:13
  So like. He called it Christ.
• 24:15
  You was just smiling. Yeah, you called.
• 24:17
  You called it. I remember I tried to be
• 24:19
  positive that summer because like once he's in, he's in,
• 24:22
  right? So even though I had my doubts
• 24:25
  and I've seen the mistakes that as it's talking about obviously
• 24:29
  having listening, yeah, I'm going to I'm going to equate in
• 24:32
  a second. But I'm giving the the build up
• 24:34
  because having listened to some of the pundits who follow Syria,
• 24:38
  I gave him the benefit of the doubt to be like, yeah, come on,
• 24:41
  he's going to be really good for us and obviously going to
• 24:45
  progress us. And the famous line from Steve
• 24:47
  that some of was he's the next Bartez.
• 24:51
  And he turned out to be the clown version of Bartez as
• 24:54
  opposed to the World Cup winning.
• 24:55
  I said he could be. Yeah, he could be.
• 24:57
  But any, any, I guess he did to a certain degree.
• 25:00
  But the key is, the key here is we could talk about stats all
• 25:04
  day. People remember moments, so
• 25:07
  let's go back. To.
• 25:08
  That's why you should look at stats.
• 25:10
  By the way, no. No, no, yeah.
• 25:11
  That's exactly the I want to just be clear the exact reason
• 25:14
  you should look at stats people's biases and you need
• 25:17
  both. You need both.
• 25:18
  Yeah, you need both, but the one the whole the whole the reason
• 25:22
  of looking at stats saying, OK, let me increase the sample size
• 25:24
  and take away my biases. And if we include all the
• 25:27
  mistakes that he's made in the in The thing is he doing well
• 25:30
  last season, not good enough. The season before, actually, he
• 25:35
  was really good at not in the Champions League, in the Premier
• 25:38
  League. So you can use the stats to try
• 25:40
  and take. Yeah, you can use the stats.
• 25:41
  The other thing that's interesting on stats is where
• 25:43
  Aynana is unlucky. I looked at the stats on
• 25:47
  mistakes leading to goals. Every time he seems to make a
• 25:50
  mistake, it's led to a goal. And I was thinking, wait a
• 25:52
  minute. I've seen other goalkeepers
• 25:54
  make, like David Rye, for example, makes a lot of
• 25:56
  mistakes. You're saying he's the David
• 25:57
  Moyeser goalkeeping, Yeah. No, it's, it's just, it's just,
• 26:01
  it's just sometimes if you don't have a good defence for.
• 26:03
  Example. No, I I I get your point.
• 26:05
  I've seen other goalkeepers make mistakes and it doesn't lead to
• 26:08
  goals. It doesn't lead to a goal.
• 26:09
  So like, for example, often David Ray makes a passing
• 26:12
  mistake or a parrying mistake, but then either he makes up for
• 26:15
  himself or Gabrielle and Saliba make up for him.
• 26:18
  We every time Anana's made a mistake, it has basically led to
• 26:23
  a goal. I wish David Royo wore a United
• 26:25
  shirt because the amount of stick you give that guy.
• 26:29
  He's he's one of the best goalkeepers in the what?
• 26:31
  Are you saying Anano's unlucky now?
• 26:32
  Is that? Is that the narrative?
• 26:33
  No, no, he, he, he, he has been unlucky, but he also sometimes
• 26:38
  you have bad luck in life and that bad no.
• 26:40
  No, hold on, no, no hold on, no. This is top level sport, right?
• 26:43
  You only have to go back to episodes to listen to Carlos
• 26:45
  Brathway talking about top level sport.
• 26:48
  Top level sport is about how you deliver in the big, big moments
• 26:52
  and that's something stats will never cut.
• 26:54
  No hold on, hold on. The stats will never quantify.
• 26:56
  That no, but this kind of point onan has actually been to a
• 26:58
  champions great great. This is where I.
• 27:01
  Want people that can deliver at Old Trafford in Champions League
• 27:04
  games in big time. Wearing that green shirt.
• 27:08
  That's what I want, and stats will never give you that.
• 27:10
  Stats is good to a certain extent, but on top of that, you
• 27:13
  need to apply common sense. You need to look at the big
• 27:16
  moments and there's these two things called your eyes, which
• 27:19
  we shouldn't forget. About And This is why I think
• 27:22
  people wanted Emmy Martinez, because they remember the World
• 27:24
  Cup. Yeah.
• 27:25
  And he was brilliant. And.
• 27:27
  That's AI don't know. I mean, I don't, I don't know if
• 27:30
  I mean look for your son headline for sure.
• 27:33
  But like I said, I I've watched Demi Martinez enough and even
• 27:38
  without looking up the stats right.
• 27:40
  So what what are you looking at then?
• 27:41
  No, no, no. That's not true.
• 27:43
  Do you guys know why we got an honour?
• 27:45
  I'll tell you why we were there at Wembley.
• 27:47
  Dehaya fucked up in the FA Cup final and that's when Tanhag
• 27:51
  decided he's changing the goalkeeper and that's what I
• 27:54
  mean by moment. It was the right thing to
• 27:56
  change. No, but you were being
• 27:57
  disingenuous about Martinez Villa.
• 27:59
  But like he's he's been decent. He's made mistakes and and this
• 28:03
  is the thing going back to Steve's point, the eyes
• 28:07
  immediately when we were linked with him, I said he's he's
• 28:11
  better than an honour in the air, which is a star.
• 28:13
  He does make mistakes. I said that I've seen him make
• 28:17
  mistakes where the ball trickles through his hands and stuff like
• 28:20
  that. And then went, once I looked at
• 28:21
  the stats, you know, just based. On when he played us right.
• 28:24
  Red card. To be honest, I'm not bothered
• 28:26
  about that because like, it was a dead game anyway, right?
• 28:29
  And like, wasn't it a game for Villa if it cost?
• 28:31
  Yeah, but the goalkeeper, the goalkeeper does come out, right?
• 28:33
  There's loads of goalkeepers that come out in that scenario.
• 28:36
  And yeah, he fouled him and he got sent off, so big deal right
• 28:39
  there. How?
• 28:39
  Many red cards have goalkeepers had in the Premier League in the
• 28:42
  last season. Not that many, right?
• 28:44
  Yeah, yeah, he was to your point, right?
• 28:47
  If I'm. Yeah.
• 28:47
  But if I'm going to be like you, you could say he's unlucky
• 28:51
  because goalkeepers do you rush out loads and when they
• 28:54
  shouldn't, right? But that's a different debate.
• 28:56
  Make mistakes as well, like. And that's that's what we're
• 29:00
  discussing here. Does he make mistakes?
• 29:02
  He does. There's not many he does, but he
• 29:04
  he makes less mistakes than Anana.
• 29:05
  He's much better in the air. And statistically you've looked
• 29:08
  into that as well and you know that Martinez is better in the
• 29:11
  air. So like, if we're talking about
• 29:13
  like trying to profile Jay's favourite word, friend of the
• 29:17
  pod, a new goalkeeper. Like, yeah, like I said, if it
• 29:22
  was online loan and we could have got it done, I definitely
• 29:25
  would have done it for Aziz. I would have done it too, 100%
• 29:28
  on loan. 100% would have been a great, great move.
• 29:31
  I just didn't want to sign in for 40 million.
• 29:34
  That's fair. And I get that with the budget
• 29:36
  constraints. So Ash, like looking at the
• 29:38
  transfer window as a whole now, now that it's, you know, pretty
• 29:41
  much closed. Now the dust has settled.
• 29:44
  Are you happy with the business overall?
• 29:46
  No, because we didn't get a central midfielder as a, as a
• 29:50
  minimum. Like we needed one and really we
• 29:53
  needed to. We talked about it in Bilbao.
• 29:55
  I think it was #2 on our list. So I'm really disappointed that
• 30:01
  we didn't add to the pool. I know there's going to be a lot
• 30:05
  of people saying, well, Bruno's got one spot.
• 30:08
  Hopefully Cobby's taken spot 2, especially BE Steve.
• 30:12
  And then it's almost like a dogfight between, you know,
• 30:15
  Casamiro and Agate, I guess to, you know, play the other minutes
• 30:19
  because we don't have that many minutes.
• 30:21
  But I'm yeah, you know, like when you, when the window shut
• 30:27
  and I just looked at it, I can't remember.
• 30:29
  It was like 2-3 years ago. It was like a similar feeling.
• 30:32
  It's like, have we really not signed one single midfielder,
• 30:35
  even if it's online? So, you know, again, Jay
• 30:38
  mentioned it Paulina from spurs, that deal was there to be done.
• 30:43
  I think we spoke about it on the pod a few weeks ago.
• 30:45
  Yeah, you can talk about like he's he didn't play that many
• 30:48
  minutes for by him, but Thomas Teacle is is a weirdo anyway.
• 30:52
  So I, I would have done that as a, as a minimum and like for the
• 30:58
  people who are going to say, we tried to get Carlos Belay, but
• 31:01
  it's like there are more midfielders than Carlos Baleva,
• 31:04
  especially with the valuation that Brighton were coming up
• 31:08
  with. So we had to do better in that.
• 31:11
  Look, we spoke about it before in that in Boomu Kunya and
• 31:17
  Sheshko, they're good signings, but you, you needed to back up
• 31:23
  the midfield. I just can't believe like we're
• 31:26
  going. To medium term, medium term,
• 31:28
  short term. This is what I'm talking about.
• 31:29
  Right, Yeah. I mean, we're just, we're just
• 31:31
  going to go into we, yeah, we're going to go into the rest of the
• 31:35
  seat. Well, this this window between
• 31:38
  now to January with Bruno as obviously our our main central
• 31:43
  midfielder, Kobe mainly, we don't know what's happening.
• 31:47
  I mean, he's luckily stayed at the club and then yeah, it's a
• 31:52
  complete lottery, right? He got a he he hasn't done that
• 31:56
  great on on the ball since he's been at the club.
• 32:00
  He can run a bit and Castimiro, you know, his legs are shot.
• 32:05
  So he will give you moments, but he won't give you enough over
• 32:11
  like a season. So like, you know, midfield was
• 32:15
  already a worry going into the season.
• 32:19
  A few games have been played and everyone is talking about
• 32:21
  midfield. So yeah, I, you know, I don't
• 32:24
  know what to rate it. Like I, you know, I think we
• 32:28
  spoke about the order as well in terms of like if the budget was
• 32:32
  only 200 million. I think Ron spoke about this on
• 32:35
  the pod a couple weeks ago. If the if the budget was like
• 32:37
  you got 200 million to spend, like, and we've spent it on
• 32:41
  those three. And this is the point.
• 32:43
  It's not a slant against any of Cunya and Boomu Francesco, but
• 32:50
  we we have not added to the midfield pool.
• 32:53
  What do you think, Steve? Yeah, I agree.
• 32:56
  Again, I go back to short term, medium term.
• 32:58
  I think we've made some good medium term term signings like
• 33:03
  the goalkeeper, obviously we talked about him, could be a
• 33:06
  good long term fit for the club. And Bumu Kunya, yes, you could
• 33:10
  say they're more immediate impact, possibly Premier League
• 33:13
  experience. So again.
• 33:14
  They have to be. But Chesco, right, that's that's
• 33:17
  the big one. We talked about striker and
• 33:20
  that's clearly a more medium to long term signing.
• 33:22
  We can't expect him to hit the ground running.
• 33:24
  So like overall, I think it's a pretty good window.
• 33:28
  But yeah, the concern on centre midfield is clearly there.
• 33:31
  I think we've all got that right as. 100% I think one thing to
• 33:35
  bear in mind is, and I think we all agree we'll never, we're
• 33:39
  never going to solve all the problems in this in one window.
• 33:42
  So we haven't solved the central midfield issue.
• 33:46
  The fact that we're, we were linked to Belieber shows that
• 33:50
  we've identified that as something to look at right as as
• 33:53
  a next priority. Overall, I'm happy with the
• 33:57
  window. I think in the context of when
• 34:01
  we finished the Europa final and we said, OK, we, we've, our
• 34:05
  budget's going to be cut. We heard talk of the budget
• 34:08
  being 90 million and it's kind of come to that about 90 million
• 34:11
  ish, maybe a bit more Netspend. You know, fella, talk about
• 34:16
  Netspend, don't talk about spend, talk about Netspend.
• 34:19
  And then we managed to the bomb squad, right?
• 34:22
  We managed to get rid of Garnacho.
• 34:25
  Sancho's out on loans, his wages are off.
• 34:27
  Rashford's out on loans, so his wages are off.
• 34:30
  Anthony, we finally got rid of, thank God.
• 34:32
  I think Milassie is the only one sticking around.
• 34:36
  And then we've used that money on I genuinely when they signed
• 34:40
  and I still believe this. I think Embumo and Cunha are the
• 34:45
  second and third best, whichever order, I don't know what order
• 34:47
  you want to put them in, are the second and third best players in
• 34:50
  our squad now. So when you sign the second and
• 34:52
  third best player they got, you know, two of the top three
• 34:56
  players now in your squad and new players, you got to say
• 34:58
  those are good and they've they look good already.
• 35:03
  Chesco I think is the right profile in our favourite word in
• 35:08
  that it's the medium term option and it's good.
• 35:13
  Time will tell. Could be another Hoyland, right?
• 35:16
  Could be another Hoyland hopefully.
• 35:20
  But if you look at the striker market and who who moved around
• 35:23
  Visa for 50 million? 55 wasn't it?
• 35:29
  Yeah, I can't remember the exact voltamon day for whatever 80 odd
• 35:35
  something euro. Strand Larson Like.
• 35:37
  Was it 50 million? Walls wanted the money.
• 35:40
  We've paid for these initially. I'm like that's a lot of money.
• 35:44
  Like when an tier Langa goes to 55,000,000, you get that some of
• 35:48
  that net spend, right? We made some money on on these
• 35:50
  on these sell on clauses. What do we have?
• 35:52
  Our sales what do you make of our sales there like gone
• 35:55
  actually 40 million and that's the he's the only one we've
• 35:57
  properly sold right rest of them are on loans.
• 35:59
  So what do you make of that? Like, shouldn't we've?
• 36:00
  Got more so Garnacho I think, I think he to me that's 15,000,000
• 36:07
  lower than he should be. But I think it's basically
• 36:09
  Garnacho has gone, I don't want to go anywhere else in Chelsea.
• 36:13
  And he's been an absolute tit about this.
• 36:16
  It sounds like Steve. We need to have a discussion on
• 36:19
  which is better, London or Manchester, because it sounds
• 36:21
  like he just wanted to live in London.
• 36:23
  Apparently he was, you know, have you watched the David
• 36:26
  Beckham? If you haven't, I'd recommend
• 36:28
  it. The David Beckham dock.
• 36:30
  Is it on Amazon or Netflix? I can't remember which one it
• 36:32
  is. The recent one, is it Netflix?
• 36:34
  Have you watched it? Yeah, he's brilliant, right.
• 36:36
  And he's constantly going down to London to visit Posh.
• 36:40
  Sounds like Garnacho's wife, girlfriend, partner or whatever,
• 36:44
  just seems to like London and he's just doing the same thing.
• 36:48
  So it just seems like the London Selfridges.
• 36:51
  Yeah, determined to go to Chelsea.
• 36:53
  Chelsea won a Tony off at 25 in the end.
• 36:56
  Get I was once he had gone at 40.
• 36:59
  I'm like, yeah, it's it's below for me the if you look at like I
• 37:04
  said the other signings they sold madoeke for a 50 million to
• 37:10
  me Garnacho Madoeke similar levels of players.
• 37:13
  It should have been 5055, but I'm happy he's gone.
• 37:16
  I I was worried Sancho wouldn't go anywhere.
• 37:18
  I'm happy Villa are paying his wages good like done Rashford.
• 37:23
  I'm really when. You say when you say good
• 37:25
  though. When you say good you're saying
• 37:27
  good out of bad options, right? Good.
• 37:29
  Would have been selling properly.
• 37:31
  Get rid of him right? Surely.
• 37:33
  Well, yeah, Raymond put 20 million on the table and he said
• 37:35
  no. Yeah, we had a bid accepted, but
• 37:37
  this this guy is on such big this the problem is any or so
• 37:41
  trying to kind of clean up the mess of such a big mess that
• 37:45
  they're picking up that they're like, OK, they were willing to
• 37:48
  sell him for 20 bid accepted and he's he's basically said no
• 37:52
  because. He signed a stage.
• 37:55
  Yeah, the genius at recruitment, Ollie, the reason I actually
• 37:58
  asked that question. But in the end, Sancho's done
• 38:00
  the right thing, hasn't he? He's stuck around and he's got a
• 38:02
  premier. League No, I I asked that
• 38:03
  question on behalf of listener Jay, who you constantly
• 38:07
  criticises our sales rights. So I agree that they're tough
• 38:10
  sales, the wages are high. But yeah, that's the reason I
• 38:13
  put the question to you on the sales because.
• 38:14
  I've got a question for you guys, just on, I guess,
• 38:18
  allocation of funds. So you both said you would have
• 38:23
  wanted a midfielder. So would you have sacrificed
• 38:27
  either Mbimu or Kenya in order to get a central midfielder?
• 38:33
  So you don't have one of those players.
• 38:36
  It depends who the problem is, and I think it really depends
• 38:39
  who the midfielder is, like you're saying.
• 38:43
  You need more money, Brighton. Brighton didn't want to sell
• 38:46
  him, so if it was belabour awarding, you'd be like, yeah,
• 38:48
  brilliant. Like, you know this guy's Yeah.
• 38:51
  But let's say a £60 million player, sixty £60 million
• 38:56
  central midfielder. Who's either?
• 38:58
  Been the Lamont The Lamont of centre midfielder has all the
• 39:01
  data points. But we no because you can buy a
• 39:03
  Lamont's for like 30-40 million from France.
• 39:07
  Yeah, the issue I have with that is I haven't.
• 39:09
  What I always look at is what have other people done in
• 39:13
  business wise? And you mentioned Shao
• 39:15
  Paolinios, it's great. Like look at what other people
• 39:18
  have done. Would you have done the same?
• 39:19
  I haven't seen a midfielder move in this window where I've been
• 39:23
  like, oh, why didn't we get him right?
• 39:25
  A lot of it's been these winger forward type of move, right, I
• 39:29
  think for example. Could you?
• 39:31
  Would you want a Zuba Mende as an example?
• 39:34
  No because I don't think he's the profile that Reuben wants.
• 39:38
  But it's perfect for Arsenal. But I think for example
• 39:42
  Liverpool should sign Adm. They wanted super Mende before
• 39:46
  they didn't get him. They haven't gone in for a
• 39:48
  midfielder. They've signed like they've done
• 39:51
  the same as UP. Why have they got EKI, TK and
• 39:54
  Isaac? It seems like overkill in the
• 39:56
  forward line. They've signed 2 super attacking
• 39:59
  full backs but haven't signed a centre back all all.
• 40:02
  They To be fair, they were in for gay he but like, why do you
• 40:04
  leave it so long that the gay he deal doesn't happen and you've
• 40:07
  left yourself short centre back? That's that's yeah, that's
• 40:09
  Liverpool's fault, totally. Yeah, and it's kind of like, oh,
• 40:12
  if they had gone and got someone, the problem is as well,
• 40:15
  even if Liverpool had got that player, he couldn't come to us.
• 40:18
  So like when people say, oh, why didn't we sign Hezac?
• 40:20
  Like Hezac's not joining us, right?
• 40:23
  Why didn't we sign Bert? No, but let's you're.
• 40:25
  Going to join us? Let's say a superstar French
• 40:28
  midfielder who's who's 60 million, like I'm giving you the
• 40:31
  option and he. And he covers your profile.
• 40:34
  No, no, no. But my point is I haven't seen
• 40:36
  that move from, you know, an Aston Villa, etcetera, if that
• 40:42
  move. So I'd probably say maybe
• 40:45
  someone like Elliot Anderson could be good, but would Forest
• 40:48
  sell him? I obviously want more to
• 40:50
  believer but they OK. That's a good example.
• 40:53
  Let's say Elliot Anderson puts his foot down transfer requests.
• 40:57
  I'm giving you Elliot Anderson for say 60 odd million.
• 41:02
  And yeah, you need to sacrifice Kunyaro and Boomu.
• 41:04
  You don't need, you don't have to say which one, but I'm just
• 41:07
  saying would you have taken that midfielder?
• 41:10
  That's a good example actually. I think the I think for the
• 41:13
  results of the team this season, the results will be better.
• 41:19
  I think we've left ourselves with a hole in the midfield that
• 41:25
  I think we could fill in in the number 10 position because you
• 41:29
  can always move Bruno up. Mason Mount is hard like is he
• 41:32
  going to be fit? He's not going to be fit.
• 41:34
  Let's just call it now. He won't stay fit the whole
• 41:36
  season. So you can you can move Bruno up
• 41:39
  one and then play Cobby and then you have your new midfielder guy
• 41:42
  as well. And I think that would be a more
• 41:43
  balanced team overall. What I would say is I love
• 41:48
  watching Cooney. I think he's great.
• 41:50
  I think he's going to do really well.
• 41:51
  So it's it's kind of like I am. I really like the guy.
• 41:55
  No, but this is the thing like like I said right at the
• 41:58
  beginning, that's. For the balance.
• 41:59
  Yeah, that's what I mean. It's for the team.
• 42:01
  There's a weak link now in the the the and I think they would
• 42:06
  have done something if Casimiro left.
• 42:08
  I think the issue that carrying this Casimiro wages on him.
• 42:13
  I think when Casimiro is, I think it's like 15,000,000 a
• 42:15
  year on on wages. Is he?
• 42:19
  Expiring next summer. Expires in the summer so so he's
• 42:23
  gone along with sunshine. So that's big wages off the off
• 42:27
  the books yeah. So I think they'll they'll
• 42:29
  address it. And I think that what happened
• 42:33
  was they the better question for this short term, right, for the
• 42:39
  short term, not for the medium or long is could you have
• 42:43
  sacrificed Benjamin Shesh, go inside the midfielder?
• 42:47
  And then because could you get away with playing and Boomer
• 42:50
  upfront, playing Ahmad or Bruno in the number 10 slot and buying
• 42:54
  a midfielder? Because I think Cunha's short
• 42:58
  term, like I said, Cunha and Burmo are going to have short
• 43:01
  term impact, while Cesco, I think it's going to take a
• 43:04
  little bit longer of time. And that's the better question.
• 43:07
  And I think for the next season, you might have been better off
• 43:11
  with the midfielder. However, I like the fact we went
• 43:14
  for a #9 because I think you need to have a number 9 in this
• 43:17
  team and I think it's good we've gone for Cesco and I think
• 43:21
  Reuben, I don't. It means it's capped our ability
• 43:25
  to maybe get in the top five. But can Reuben get away with it?
• 43:30
  Can he? Get to, I'll come back in.
• 43:32
  January and see how he said what would you let's let's let's say
• 43:35
  we'll keep let's keep Kunia and Bomo.
• 43:38
  What would you have done, Cesco? Like what would you have done?
• 43:40
  I would have kept. I would have done Cesco, most
• 43:44
  likely. I wouldn't have done him.
• 43:46
  Boo me because I'm kind of, kind of assume that Kanye was done so
• 43:51
  long ago. It's almost like it was it was
• 43:55
  always going to be the case. We know we went for his name
• 43:59
  escapes me, the poor man's Jamie Vardy Delap, we went for him.
• 44:06
  He was going to cost 30 million because of his buyout from
• 44:09
  Ipswich. He turned us down, so we moved
• 44:12
  to Imbumu. We keep saying this word,
• 44:16
  different profile, etcetera, but that's where like my 60 million
• 44:22
  for someone like Elliot Anderson would have been done.
• 44:26
  I'll come back to the chefs go in a second, Steve.
• 44:29
  So on that scenario we would use Elliot Anderson.
• 44:33
  So I think you were going to say yes, like would you have done a
• 44:37
  central midfielder for 60 million rather than and in
• 44:41
  Boomer and in Kenya? And do you want to actually put
• 44:44
  a name who you wouldn't have gone with?
• 44:45
  Yeah, I can't really give you a name because I don't look at the
• 44:48
  data like the scouts do, but I would have sanctioned A
• 44:51
  sentiment fielder over one of those attackers.
• 44:53
  Yeah, for sure. No, no, but I'm saying like.
• 44:56
  Which one would you have sacrificed?
• 44:58
  Yeah, Kunyaro and boom. Yeah.
• 44:59
  So like or Cesco Or Cesco, Yeah. Probably, yeah, it would
• 45:03
  definitely would be one of them. Boomu or Kenya?
• 45:05
  Probably, yeah, probably in Boomu.
• 45:07
  I like the look of Kenya. See.
• 45:10
  I actually did this is this is this is where I will definitely
• 45:13
  disagree. We can finally properly
• 45:14
  disagree. I think in Boom is going to be
• 45:17
  an unbelievable signing. I think he's going to be really
• 45:20
  good. I think as much as I enjoy
• 45:22
  watching Cunha, I think Mount and Bruno can play that
• 45:25
  position. Yeah, prob.
• 45:28
  You know what? You're probably right.
• 45:29
  And I think, you know, maybe I changed my mind, but I think
• 45:34
  you're actually right because, you know, numbers and look,
• 45:37
  let's keep it simple. And also left footedness, like
• 45:39
  left foot off the right. I was, I was about to say #10
• 45:42
  yeah, I was going to say the left footedness.
• 45:45
  But also I, you know, when I was picking my FPL squad originally,
• 45:50
  I fought over the season. And Beam is going to do more
• 45:54
  like with assists and goals. But yeah, I think it's that
• 45:57
  stylistic thing that a lot of people obviously have gone with
• 46:00
  Kenya, but like, it's a little bit of an unknown quantity.
• 46:03
  OK. So Mr Ruben out, tell us where
• 46:07
  Ruben should be finishing given the squad and given your concern
• 46:11
  on CM that you just highlighted? Well, they should have sorted
• 46:14
  that, so that's on them, whether it's Ruben or the club.
• 46:18
  So he needs to finish in a European position, he needs to
• 46:23
  qualify. It's a top 8.
• 46:26
  Is that? Is it top 7 or 6?
• 46:29
  It depends. It'll depend on a few things.
• 46:31
  One is the 5th place of the Champions League.
• 46:34
  There's two spots for highest performing European countries
• 46:39
  now. Last season we had Chelsea in
• 46:41
  the Conference League, United and Spurs in the Europa League.
• 46:44
  We don't have that level of depth, so it's not as obvious
• 46:46
  and clear that we'll get that. We should still get the extra
• 46:49
  spot. The other thing that comes into
• 46:51
  it is cup competitions. If if one of the top five wins
• 46:56
  Carabao or FA, it drops taking position.
• 46:58
  So you have to also wait for the season to evolve.
• 47:01
  The other way he could qualify is the 10 hard way of winning
• 47:04
  the FA Cup because the the the Carabao is out of the picture
• 47:07
  because of Grimsby. So.
• 47:10
  He's not a Cup manager, so you know, you can clip that up when
• 47:13
  he wins the FA Cup, but he's not a Cup manager so actually.
• 47:16
  You saying you saying conference league is enough for you
• 47:18
  European conference? No, of course it's not.
• 47:20
  But like, I've just got to be realistic, look, because I'm,
• 47:25
  I'm basing it on in terms of like what we should always
• 47:29
  challenge for, which is. No.
• 47:31
  Tell me what what do you expect from Reuben?
• 47:34
  What specifically? What competition do we need to
• 47:36
  qualify for him to have done enough this season?
• 47:39
  To to not get fired Europa. Given the window as well, you
• 47:43
  know you mentioned. Needs to finish?
• 47:45
  No, because that's that's their problem, right?
• 47:47
  So like if they want to leave themselves in central midfield,
• 47:50
  that's that's up to Reuben because he's obviously gone all
• 47:53
  eggs on Bruno. So he's got to finish Europa or
• 47:57
  or get 6 or 7 win. In a cup or win the FA Cup,
• 48:01
  Yeah, Getting into Europa is your, is your.
• 48:04
  No, because if he finishes like 15 from wins the FA Cup, he's
• 48:08
  gone. You can't do that, not with the
• 48:11
  players that he's brought in. And you can't have another
• 48:13
  season finishing like anywhere between like 15 to 7.
• 48:17
  OK. So you want you want to qualify
• 48:18
  via the league then basically. Yes, right.
• 48:20
  Yeah. OK.
• 48:21
  And us. Because I because I want to see
• 48:22
  a style. OK, fair.
• 48:25
  US, Yeah, I think, I think the top 4 is fairly locked I think.
• 48:30
  And then you've got another group, and I'm with Ash.
• 48:35
  I would say that I want to see a top seven finish and that that
• 48:41
  should get you the Europa League, a top 7 because it's
• 48:44
  usually like 6:00 and 7:00, but it might be the Conference
• 48:47
  League, but top seven finish. I was going to say based on what
• 48:51
  we're talking about, where it could change in terms of league
• 48:54
  position and if he's unlucky for some reason and we finish, you
• 48:58
  know, via the conference because of our league position, OK,
• 49:01
  fine. But he's got to finish in and
• 49:04
  around 6th, 7th in that region. You, Steve.
• 49:07
  Seems seems fair to me. Yeah, I'd agree with that.
• 49:10
  I think given the window, I think that's a fair ask.
• 49:12
  He's been backed, you know, like we said, he's.
• 49:15
  Also the lack of European competition, right?
• 49:18
  Yeah, Training ground to to implement, yeah.
• 49:21
  No cup game till January now as well.
• 49:23
  Yeah, so like he's got everything there.
• 49:25
  We've, like I said, in my opinion to excellent short term
• 49:29
  signings. I know Steve is saying a medium
• 49:31
  long, but two guys who I think have immediate impact.
• 49:34
  Bruno Fernandez is stuck around as well.
• 49:37
  I forgot about Erasmus on the outgoing.
• 49:39
  So the net spend literally is basically what we discussed,
• 49:42
  right? Because there's an there's, I
• 49:44
  know it's not a firm obligation, but if Napoli qualify for the
• 49:48
  Champions League, which I think they will.
• 49:49
  The conditional obligation conditional.
• 49:52
  Obligation Conte is going to deliberately not finish the
• 49:56
  Champs. Yeah.
• 49:58
  But you know, if, if either way like you know, he he's, he looks
• 50:03
  like he's gone as well. So you can kind of count that as
• 50:06
  a point of an outgoing as well, right?
• 50:08
  Like wages off, a bit of a loan fee I think we're getting from
• 50:11
  him. And about 7 million.
• 50:13
  Him to leave and yeah, potential for him to leave in this it
• 50:16
  shows as well. Like I always tell you about
• 50:18
  Steve is when you sign a young player, the downside should be
• 50:23
  more limited. He's been atrocious yet somehow
• 50:26
  because of his age and because of his low wages, we've still
• 50:30
  managed, what, €50 million potential total recoup from the
• 50:34
  75 that we paid. I don't think there were some
• 50:37
  add-ons as well. You know, they're saying that
• 50:40
  some like Champions League qualification was partly so like
• 50:44
  we've made a loss on him. But it just shows when you sign
• 50:46
  a younger player, he's clearly going to smash it though.
• 50:50
  He's he's going to be like like Scott Mctominy and he's going to
• 50:53
  get like, you know, 15 to 20 Siriagos of all the play of all
• 50:57
  the team this thing. I think it's a really good move
• 50:59
  for him because Conte Conte's Napoli have Lukaku playing that
• 51:05
  so and Lukaku's injured. So he's like straight in there.
• 51:07
  He's going to feel the love. Pizza in Naples is absolutely
• 51:11
  world class. He's got tomatoes.
• 51:13
  He's going to be next summer. He's like like like mctomany
• 51:16
  was. Yeah, but balloon door
• 51:19
  nomination here we come. And maybe there's an add on in
• 51:21
  there as well. Yeah, probably.
• 51:24
  OK, so right before we wrap up and preview the Derby, I just
• 51:30
  got a very quick question for you both.
• 51:33
  Two people that I believe is fair to say.
• 51:35
  I'm not going to give away your age here, but you saw both Owen
• 51:38
  and Rooney breakthrough as teenagers, right?
• 51:41
  So it's a hot debate at the moment who was better at that
• 51:44
  1718 year old mark. So Ash, I'll start with you.
• 51:48
  Who's the better player out of Owen or Rooney at that age?
• 51:52
  So with the eye test for me, it's got to be Wayne Rooney.
• 51:58
  It has to be. I mean, he started at 16 and I
• 52:04
  still remember that first goal against Arsenal.
• 52:08
  They were the Champions at the time on a really long unbeaten
• 52:12
  run. And yeah, collected the ball
• 52:15
  from from the air, took it down and then like, free kicks,
• 52:19
  they'll put it in the top bins against David Seaman.
• 52:21
  And that was the start of Wayne Rooney.
• 52:23
  I still remember watching him on Sky Sports News, like scoring, I
• 52:28
  think a hat trick in the youth FA Cup final against Spurs.
• 52:33
  And bearing in mind this was like youth football, he was
• 52:38
  thunderbasting it into like the top corner at like 15, like a
• 52:43
  man who was like 30. So, you know, the, the Wayne
• 52:49
  Rooney that I remember at 1617 was just unbelievable.
• 52:54
  But this is the thing, if you look at the stats, his stats
• 52:59
  weren't actually that great. I mean, obviously it's a little
• 53:01
  bit compensated by the fact Everton were a worse team than
• 53:04
  Liverpool when Owen joined. But I just got so many great
• 53:09
  memories of Wayne Rooney, like dribbling, even his tenacity,
• 53:13
  right? Like he's obviously A-Team
• 53:15
  player as well. So like, you know, he put
• 53:18
  Cristiano up in the sky. You know, we were a slight
• 53:21
  tackle at Old Trafford, I think on his debut actually, when
• 53:24
  really I think it was the year before he joined us.
• 53:27
  So yeah, I mean, look, the short answer is I'd go Wayne Rooney.
• 53:31
  But I definitely want to give a shout out to my Chloe because
• 53:34
  again, sixteen 1718 years old, I mean, just what a what a
• 53:39
  striker. Like again, early days, I
• 53:43
  remember him scoring goals for I think England's under fifteens
• 53:48
  and everyone knew about him. So these were the days where you
• 53:51
  didn't have social media, no YouTube, but everyone knew about
• 53:55
  Michael Owen, similar to Wayne Rooney actually was well, you
• 53:58
  know. So, yeah, but when he when he
• 54:02
  got into the Liverpool team, his first full season, he was
• 54:07
  absolutely blistering. And I think he's already spoken
• 54:10
  about it because, you know, he recently had an interview with
• 54:13
  Rio. I think he won the Golden Boot
• 54:15
  in the Premier League at age 17 and 18, I think it was.
• 54:20
  And some of the goals to what Wayne Rooney said, I used to
• 54:24
  copy those goals in the back garden and in, you know, on the
• 54:28
  playground. Obviously the one that everyone
• 54:31
  remembers is obviously England versus Argentina.
• 54:35
  You know, what a goal, what a moment.
• 54:38
  I think as we'd agree in the 30 odd years we've been watching
• 54:43
  England, that has to be one of the best moments.
• 54:46
  You know, watching England that that Michael Owen goal and the
• 54:50
  Brian Moore commentary as well ATV days.
• 54:54
  So yeah, I've got to give it to Owen.
• 54:58
  Like, fantastic striker up until the big injury.
• 55:04
  He had a massive hamstring tear against Leeds, I think it was.
• 55:08
  And he obviously said it himself.
• 55:10
  Like, you know, by the time he was like 22, he was a completely
• 55:14
  different player, even though he was still scoring Premier League
• 55:16
  goals. He was just very different to
• 55:18
  when he was like, you know, 1718.
• 55:20
  But yeah, I'll go Wayne Rooney. But like, yeah, even though Owen
• 55:25
  does come up with his weird comments and there's lots of
• 55:29
  memes and clips of, you know, some of his mannerisms, Yeah,
• 55:35
  I'll give it. To because I would have been 7
• 55:38
  in 99. When did Owen breakthrough?
• 55:41
  What year was it? 9719. 98, yeah.
• 55:44
  So I'm too young. The one girl or one period I
• 55:47
  remember of Owen, I think it must have been about 2001, you
• 55:51
  know, when John Anarisa scored that goal against United.
• 55:53
  Yeah. He won the balland all that
• 55:55
  time, yeah. In in that game, Owen scored
• 55:58
  that goal, right? Yeah.
• 55:59
  He opened up his body. Yeah, against Bartes, Yeah.
• 56:02
  Oh yeah, Bartes funnily enough, but I remember it.
• 56:04
  That's so I can't really comment too much as you would have seen
• 56:07
  them both in their pump at that at that age.
• 56:10
  So what do you reckon? Overall footballer?
• 56:14
  Definitely Wayne Rooney. Owen's the better goal scorer
• 56:19
  though. Owen's the better striker and
• 56:24
  when he was, this is the thing you're talking about, ages like
• 56:29
  the absolute best best. Michael Ohm was unstoppable as a
• 56:35
  striker because he had the speed, but when he lost his
• 56:37
  speed, he didn't have the same all round game that Rooney had
• 56:42
  to kind of adapt, Yeah, around the 979899 he was unbelievable
• 56:48
  electric. And yeah, that, that night, the
• 56:50
  World Cup, it's still feel, yeah, a bit.
• 56:56
  Bitter about it? A bitter Yeah.
• 56:58
  Just just, yeah, I carry that still like David Beckham's red
• 57:02
  car. Simeone fucking ref.
• 57:05
  Yeah. I really felt like, I mean,
• 57:08
  Glenn Hoddle's a weirdo and I understand that he needed to
• 57:11
  lose his job and stuff like that because of certain, you know,
• 57:14
  issues. But I really think that that was
• 57:17
  one of the best England teams. Shearer and Owen up front was
• 57:22
  was electric. You know, Beck's scolds, I think
• 57:26
  he would have pulled scolds it over a longer England career
• 57:28
  under Hoddle and he would have known what to do with the whole
• 57:31
  Gerard Lampard thing as well. You know, would have played
• 57:37
  three at the back, which, you know, can work as a system, you
• 57:40
  know, does can bring the best out of certain players.
• 57:44
  Yeah. Overall, Wayne Rooney, overall
• 57:46
  footballer, goal scorer by Cologne, taken both ideally,
• 57:50
  right. They played together in I think
• 57:52
  it was your 2004 and Rooney was absolutely electric as well,
• 57:58
  absolutely unplayable. 18 odds, right?
• 58:01
  I think that would have been. Played together at United for
• 58:04
  one season or two. Won the league.
• 58:07
  Won the league, gave us a great moment.
• 58:11
  Was it Istanbul as like we were watching the Derby that game,
• 58:15
  the Michael Owen winner? Yeah, yeah.
• 58:20
  And I would say it's a a finisher, Owen's a better
• 58:22
  finisher. So in the box, Owen's a better
• 58:25
  player. Running in behind, Owen's a
• 58:27
  better player but dropping deep to link the play.
• 58:30
  Rooney has more to his game and more positional flexibility,
• 58:33
  could play in multiple positions.
• 58:36
  So it's a hard one right at that age.
• 58:38
  And obviously Rooney had the better career like he still
• 58:42
  could have had, Owen admits. That Owen admits that longed,
• 58:46
  you know, over the career. Yeah.
• 58:47
  And and that's the thing, we took the hamstring injury, they
• 58:50
  didn't treat it properly. They, you know, medical advances
• 58:54
  are different now, whereby I think like Saka had the same
• 58:58
  tendon tear last summer, right? He's had surgery on his
• 59:01
  hamstring. Yeah, I think Kanu also had the
• 59:03
  same, but so just to I can't remember exactly, would that
• 59:08
  have been Roy Evans days then in terms of when he did it?
• 59:12
  And then, you know, medical advice at the time was what they
• 59:16
  did, right. And I guess Julio came
• 59:18
  afterwards. I guess it could have been
• 59:20
  treated differently and Julio had been around.
• 59:24
  Yeah, I I don't know also, you know, doctors and it might have
• 59:28
  been a a surgeon thing, a doctor thing and you know, treatments
• 59:31
  have advanced and, you know, players have better longevity.
• 59:36
  He was also both of these guys were flogged hard at a young
• 59:40
  age. So This is why I always tell you
• 59:42
  guys like, you know, I get it, the issue with Kobe maneu, but
• 59:46
  just also chill, like chill, let the guy he needs minutes.
• 59:50
  But like he was overplayed as well the first season, you know,
• 59:53
  10 Argo overplayed him. Both those guys were overplayed
• 59:57
  at young age and it caught up with them a little bit.
• 59:59
  And Owen was played way too much through injury.
• 1:00:03
  Rashford's the same thing, like playing through injury and his
• 1:00:06
  body's kind of, you know, broken down a bit.
• 1:00:09
  Fergie talked about it I think in his second book.
• 1:00:13
  If he had Michael Owen, he would have managed him differently
• 1:00:17
  physically, like he would have, you know, kept kept him out of
• 1:00:21
  the team at times. And, you know, obviously this
• 1:00:24
  this is the thing. It's like it's a hindsight
• 1:00:26
  thing. But yeah, Ferguson does talk
• 1:00:28
  about it in his book. So I think that's probably the
• 1:00:30
  highest praise that you could give Michael Owen, that Ferguson
• 1:00:34
  definitely wanted him at different times and to talk
• 1:00:37
  about him in his book as well. To say I would have managed him
• 1:00:40
  differently just shows like the the level that Michael Owen was.
• 1:00:44
  Very reliant on him basically. Yeah, massively.
• 1:00:46
  Yeah. That was the problem and and
• 1:00:48
  it's really interesting, I saw a quote about because they were
• 1:00:51
  talking about England call ups and Bruni saying that Fergie
• 1:00:54
  would tell him I'll play 45 minutes and then he would ignore
• 1:00:57
  me. He'd go and it's just like, This
• 1:00:59
  is why, Wayne, you didn't have the longevity in your career
• 1:01:02
  because you're not smart. You're supposed to play he.
• 1:01:05
  Loves his country, mate. It's not.
• 1:01:06
  It's not a crime, is it? Just loves playing football.
• 1:01:09
  That's what made him as well. This is what I say I was that's
• 1:01:12
  that's what made was it like that fight.
• 1:01:15
  You know you can't just remove it when you like.
• 1:01:18
  So anyway, look, we'll. You can have good management.
• 1:01:22
  That's what Fergie, Fergie, Fergie, Fergie top manager knew
• 1:01:26
  how to rotate his players and make sure that and then when he
• 1:01:29
  saw Rooney was on the decline, he was going to sell them right.
• 1:01:34
  You know, he's just top, top manager.
• 1:01:35
  You've got to give it to Fergie. OK, so we we touched on Michael
• 1:01:39
  Owen winning the Derby there in that 4 three-game all those
• 1:01:42
  years ago. So we've got the Derby on the
• 1:01:45
  weekend at the Etihad on Sunday. First question, yes or no?
• 1:01:50
  Answer or not yes or no? Le Mans or buying deer ash.
• 1:01:57
  I'd go Le Mans as. Buying deer for me.
• 1:02:02
  He's the conservative. Definitely I want, I want to.
• 1:02:06
  I just, it's just not for our result, but for him, for him to
• 1:02:10
  be able to not have the pressure right.
• 1:02:12
  I want him to settle in. I think I would just not put
• 1:02:15
  Lamons into that position. If he makes a mistake, it it
• 1:02:18
  could ruin his career. That's, you know, that's how big
• 1:02:20
  these big moments can be. So like, yeah, I would just play
• 1:02:23
  Binder and just. Binders.
• 1:02:26
  He's played international games, right?
• 1:02:27
  For Turkey. He's yeah, but he's shite in the
• 1:02:30
  air. Like yeah, I just can't get past
• 1:02:32
  the other thing. Couple of games I don't think
• 1:02:35
  city are as brutal on corners so it's.
• 1:02:38
  They're not, but also like you look through even recent
• 1:02:42
  history, City have scored many a set piece against us.
• 1:02:45
  So I I just don't want to goalkeeper flapping around.
• 1:02:47
  Look, it's not ideal, but like gun to the head I'd I'd pick
• 1:02:51
  Lamont. Fair play, you'll go go straight
• 1:02:54
  with it. What do you do?
• 1:02:55
  You think Ruben will actually do that though, Ash?
• 1:02:56
  No, I think he'll go by and do, like I said earlier, because
• 1:03:00
  despite the the poor crossing or inability to like try and get
• 1:03:06
  the ball, I think he's actually happy with him.
• 1:03:09
  Like he's his distribution has been like some, some would say
• 1:03:14
  decent. I mean, we well, we were we were
• 1:03:17
  there for the well, we were there for the Arsenal game.
• 1:03:21
  There were certain passes he got lucky with, but fair play.
• 1:03:25
  Like, you know, on the ball he's been decent.
• 1:03:29
  For example, against Fulham. I haven't seen, Oh, Nana hit a
• 1:03:31
  pass like that. Yeah, that's what I mean.
• 1:03:34
  Like there's enough for him to just be like, I'm going to keep
• 1:03:36
  him in the team and, you know, do probably the more sensible
• 1:03:39
  thing, which is transition in Le Mans in.
• 1:03:43
  That's that's the point. Let's see if that actually
• 1:03:46
  happens. I hope so.
• 1:03:47
  OK, us make a case for us to win this game.
• 1:03:50
  I don't need to make a case we are going to win this game.
• 1:03:52
  City of shite, What are? You talking about aren't we
• 1:03:56
  ahead of season's game? Yeah, we're ahead of.
• 1:03:59
  Them we're ahead of them in the league, Peps of fraud all these
• 1:04:05
  I don't know what rumours have been going around.
• 1:04:07
  You know, I won't spread them on the pod, but you know, he's a
• 1:04:11
  goalkeeper in Yeah. So you know Donna rumours going
• 1:04:15
  to flap at one and and you know, it's something that's going.
• 1:04:18
  To go through, it's going to be. Donna rumour can't catch either.
• 1:04:21
  So like you wait and see. I mean, if you think about the
• 1:04:24
  in swinging corners, it's going to be like we've got.
• 1:04:26
  I told you. I told you.
• 1:04:27
  I told you. Kunia's going to stick one,
• 1:04:30
  right? It's Kunia Elastico for the
• 1:04:32
  first goal. Is he the rumours flapping at?
• 1:04:35
  Oh yeah, we don't know about his hamstring, right?
• 1:04:38
  So. Yeah, it's Harry.
• 1:04:39
  No, it's going to be Harry Maguire last minute.
• 1:04:41
  Come on, we're going to beat the ball.
• 1:04:42
  Plan B. We got Ahmad.
• 1:04:46
  Sounds like mount isn't as bad as their first feared, so let's.
• 1:04:49
  See, I think it was precaution. Yeah.
• 1:04:51
  So that would be that would be good news as well.
• 1:04:55
  So of course we're going to win and City have, you know, shown
• 1:04:59
  weakness. It show, you know, like they're
• 1:05:01
  midfield. It shows you can play 433-F3 in
• 1:05:04
  midfield and still get played through.
• 1:05:06
  Well, Reuben's got a good, his record is actually decent
• 1:05:10
  against the bigger teams, especially away, right?
• 1:05:13
  Like we saw the result that he had last season at Anfield, we
• 1:05:17
  played quite well, so maybe there's something in that as
• 1:05:20
  well. If we if we play as well as we
• 1:05:22
  did at Anfield, we'll win the game.
• 1:05:25
  Whereas with the Derby last year at the Etihad, like we, we just
• 1:05:30
  stayed in the game and like we gave ourselves a chance.
• 1:05:33
  Yeah, we gave ourselves a chance.
• 1:05:35
  Like we, we set up well and then bit of magic from Ahmad.
• 1:05:39
  But if we play like we did at Anfield where we actually played
• 1:05:43
  some football, then we can win this game because, yeah, City
• 1:05:49
  have a good. Game against Holland, that's
• 1:05:51
  really important, right? Holland is just massive for
• 1:05:55
  them. But I think we can score.
• 1:05:58
  I think we can score. The one thing I'm interested in
• 1:06:01
  is who does he play in the wing back positions?
• 1:06:03
  Does he go with the more attacking option?
• 1:06:05
  With that? I think he's going to go Dalo
• 1:06:07
  and definitely go, he'll go Dalo one side or or Dalo Mazrawi if
• 1:06:12
  Mazrawi is now fit because he came on, didn't he?
• 1:06:14
  So he must be back to. Fit.
• 1:06:15
  You think he'll play both? Potentially going to be more
• 1:06:18
  defensive. No doku then.
• 1:06:21
  Two of these three, what we would call more the full back
• 1:06:24
  option as opposed to Ahmad, who's more the winger option.
• 1:06:27
  I think he's going to go conservative to start with and
• 1:06:29
  maybe open up as the game goes on.
• 1:06:33
  Yeah, haven't, don't think Dallas been good.
• 1:06:38
  Don't think he deserves his spot, but he'll play probably
• 1:06:40
  because he trusts he's the Lieutenant, right?
• 1:06:42
  So that trust and all of this nonsense.
• 1:06:45
  I've got one. I've got one Kobe man who's
• 1:06:47
  going to score, come on and score the winner.
• 1:06:50
  Please, that would be so good. Open his body up, bend it like
• 1:06:55
  he did against Liverpool, Wolves, those types of guys, all
• 1:06:58
  Will Leon. On the same evening, Scott's
• 1:07:01
  going to finally pull Sydney Sweeney as well.
• 1:07:03
  Miracles happen. Right, you've got to believe.
• 1:07:06
  Scott McDonald's got a chance of it if I don't do it.
• 1:07:10
  No, our Scott. You mean Sean?
• 1:07:15
  You are Sean Daish, but Scott. Scott Mctominy, maybe, Yeah.
• 1:07:20
  OK, so predictions then. What do you actually think is
• 1:07:23
  going to happen? 21 United default default
• 1:07:29
  default prediction 21 United I don't I, I, I feel confident.
• 1:07:33
  I always feel, you know, like big games.
• 1:07:36
  I think we we turn up the emotions there.
• 1:07:38
  I don't feel city. You're in great shape.
• 1:07:40
  Like I said, you need a little bit of bit of luck in these
• 1:07:45
  moments, bit of Harland against delict situation where he, you
• 1:07:50
  know, and the rest of it will take care of itself.
• 1:07:53
  We'll create some chances. Chefs go to start you guys.
• 1:07:58
  That's a really interesting call.
• 1:08:00
  I also don't think he will. I think if Mason, this is the
• 1:08:03
  whole thing, if Mason, if all of the players are fit, Mount
• 1:08:06
  Cooney, etcetera, I think he'll go with the same.
• 1:08:09
  I agree. Fulham or Arsenal?
• 1:08:10
  Yeah, line ups with just actually Ahmed.
• 1:08:14
  He did that against Bernie as well.
• 1:08:16
  Shesko didn't start right. Don't think he started a league
• 1:08:19
  game. Yeah so I agree if Mason mounts
• 1:08:21
  fit he will start and Shesko will be on the bench.
• 1:08:25
  Yeah, and Mountain has been really good, so you know.
• 1:08:30
  Fair, Steve, would you start him or would you?
• 1:08:33
  Do you think Reubens is going to continue to play Mount if he's
• 1:08:35
  fit? I would start him, I would have
• 1:08:37
  started him in that first game first.
• 1:08:39
  Arsenal, I know there's fitness and stuff but we've had what, 3
• 1:08:42
  league games now? He should have started by now in
• 1:08:44
  my opinion. So.
• 1:08:46
  Would I think he's? I think now he should be fit to
• 1:08:49
  start. Well, yeah, so.
• 1:08:51
  Maybe I just think that Mason Mountain has been really good
• 1:08:55
  and this is the thing. Trust him.
• 1:08:57
  It's not just that people go on and on about, oh, you know what?
• 1:09:00
  Reuben never changes. It's always a 343.
• 1:09:03
  And but the, the, the, the personnel he puts in these
• 1:09:06
  various positions are the changes he makes, who he chooses
• 1:09:09
  at wingback changes the dynamic. Who he chooses at #10 If Mason
• 1:09:13
  Mount plays, Mason Mount is a mid, more of a midfielder than a
• 1:09:17
  striker, right? Cesco's more of a striker.
• 1:09:19
  So if you want 3 in midfield and to make sure that you're not
• 1:09:22
  outnumbered, you play, play Mason Mount.
• 1:09:24
  I think he goes with that. He'll he'll Who would you go
• 1:09:27
  with if you were the manager? I would do the same.
• 1:09:30
  And then what you then look to is your bench because what you
• 1:09:33
  want to do is in an away game, you want to be in the game and
• 1:09:36
  you want to make sure you don't lose control of the game and
• 1:09:38
  mount pressing off the ball work.
• 1:09:41
  And then you're at 60 minutes, it's 11.
• 1:09:44
  And then you go for the winner, you unleash Ahmad and you
• 1:09:47
  unleash that's Kobe in the bench and Kobe as well, potentially
• 1:09:51
  fresh legs because Casimiro, right, can't play 90, right?
• 1:09:55
  If even if Mazzarawi or Dog or Dalo, you'd think you can sub
• 1:09:59
  one of them off, right? Mount's not going to play 90.
• 1:10:02
  So that's when Cesco comes on. So you've got your copy, you've
• 1:10:05
  got your Cesco, you've got your Ahmad to come on and they're the
• 1:10:08
  finishes and they've, and then you're in the game.
• 1:10:11
  And then that's how we win it. That's the blueprint, Yeah, I
• 1:10:14
  agree. My official prediction is going
• 1:10:15
  to be two, two, but I could see, you know, A21 or A32 United.
• 1:10:20
  Yeah, I think any as possible. I can see a four nil.
• 1:10:24
  I can. See a four nil?
• 1:10:25
  Oh, we said it's not, not to us. No, he went united.
• 1:10:30
  I can see four nil to city as well.
• 1:10:31
  I'm just putting. Out I I've I've looked one thing
• 1:10:34
  that has been consistent in all the the Grimsby doesn't count
• 1:10:38
  because it's a second team disgrace.
• 1:10:40
  But was the three games fast start.
• 1:10:43
  I can see us two goals in 20 minutes.
• 1:10:45
  Just need a bit of luck. Not hit the post, not this.
• 1:10:48
  Two nil. City then come on to us.
• 1:10:50
  And then two more goals in the second-half on the count.
• 1:10:53
  Cesco 89th minute off the mark. Fourth goal, 4 nil.
• 1:10:58
  Brilliant, brilliant and I can also see four nil city emergency
• 1:11:01
  pod Sunday night so. Basically, we, we, we've covered
• 1:11:04
  everything. Yeah.
• 1:11:04
  So be ready. It's.
• 1:11:06
  Not happening. It's not happening I.
• 1:11:08
  Tell you what though, I'm just looking forward to Super Sunday.
• 1:11:11
  Hopefully Burnley get a nice win against Liverpool, sets up the
• 1:11:14
  Derby and then yeah, it's the Premier League's back.
• 1:11:18
  That's what I'm looking forward to the most.
• 1:11:19
  I've missed it. It's only been two weeks so.
• 1:11:22
  Yeah, United are back. Yeah, literally.
• 1:11:26
  And there's no and the transfer window's shut as well, so well,
• 1:11:29
  mostly so less noise. It's all football now, one game
• 1:11:33
  a week, multiple pods, lots to talk about.
• 1:11:37
  Get ready. Yep.
• 1:11:39
  So on that bombshell, thanks for tuning in, and we'll catch you
• 1:11:43
  on the next episode.