Latest / Beyond The Horizon / Mega Edition: Jury Selection During The Chad Daybell Trial (Part 2) (10/18/26)
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- 0:00Speaker 1: What's up everyone and welcome back to the program. In
- 0:03Speaker 1: this episode, we're going to head back out to Idaho
- 0:05Speaker 1: for another update on the Chad Daybell jury selection process.
- 0:10Speaker 1: And so far the process has moved along pretty quickly
- 0:14Speaker 1: and there really haven't been any hiccups. So hopefully that
- 0:17Speaker 1: keeps up and we don't experience any issues. That way
- 0:20Speaker 1: things stay on track and kick off when they're supposed to.
- 0:24Speaker 1: So let's dive into this article from East Idaho News
- 0:27Speaker 1: and let's get caught up. Headline. Day four of jury
- 0:31Speaker 1: selection underway in Chad Daybell trial. This article was authored
- 0:36Speaker 1: by Nate Eaton. 8.45 a.m. Back in the Ada County
- 0:40Speaker 1: Courthouse for day four of jury selection in Chad Daybell's case,
- 0:44Speaker 1: he is seated next to John Pryor, his attorney, in
- 0:47Speaker 1: a light-colored dress shirt, Madison County Prosecutor Rob Wood, Fremont
- 0:51Speaker 1: County Prosecutor Lindsey Blake, Special Prosecutor Ingrid Beatty, and Fremont
- 0:56Speaker 1: County Deputy Prosecutor Rocky Wixom are seated at the prosecution's table. 8.49 a.m.
- 1:02Speaker 1: We ended yesterday with 37 potential jurors in the pool.
- 1:06Speaker 1: We need to get to 50 before the defense and
- 1:08Speaker 1: prosecutors can begin preemptory strikes to get to 18, 12 jurors,
- 1:13Speaker 1: and 6 alternates. 8.50 a.m. The new group of potential
- 1:18Speaker 1: jurors walks in. There are 13, 8 women and 5 men.
- 1:23Speaker 1: Judge Boyce asked to have a sidebar meeting with the attorneys.
- 1:26Speaker 1: They all leave the courtroom. Chad Daybell is a little
- 1:29Speaker 1: more animated today compared to previous days. He's looking around,
- 1:34Speaker 1: moving his hands. Most of the week, he sat still
- 1:37Speaker 1: and looked straight ahead. Yeah, well, I hope he enjoys
- 1:40Speaker 1: that because he has a lifetime of that ahead of him.
- 1:43Speaker 1: If he isn't given the death penalty, my man's going
- 1:46Speaker 1: to sit in a jail cell and stare at those
- 1:48Speaker 1: walls for the rest of his life. because I don't
- 1:51Speaker 1: think there's any doubt that he's guilty of these crimes. 8.55 a.m.
- 1:57Speaker 1: Boyce back on the bench and attorneys receded. Judge asked
- 2:00Speaker 1: jurors to hold up their red cards, which show their
- 2:03Speaker 1: juror numbers. 8.58 a.m. Clerk conducts roll call. Boyce says
- 2:08Speaker 1: two jurors were released based on bias and hardship. A
- 2:11Speaker 1: third juror will be returning this afternoon. 9.01 a.m. In
- 2:15Speaker 1: the gallery of the courtroom today, Madison County Sheriff, Chief Deputy,
- 2:20Speaker 1: Vince Kayakumanu, seated behind prosecutor's table, a private investigator seated
- 2:25Speaker 1: behind the defense, and nine members of the media public,
- 2:29Speaker 1: including Tom Evans, a juror in the Vallow trial.
- 2:32Speaker 2: 9.03 a.m.
- 2:36Speaker 1: Boyce reads Daybell's charges to the jury. Once again, those
- 2:39Speaker 1: charges are three counts of first-degree murder, Tammy Daybell, J.J. Vallow,
- 2:44Speaker 1: and Tylee Ryan, three counts of conspiracy to commit murder,
- 2:48Speaker 1: Tammy Daybell, J.J. Vallow, Tylee Ryan, grand theft, and insurance fraud.
- 2:55Speaker 1: And he should be put on trial for having a
- 2:57Speaker 1: stupid-ass looking face.
- 2:58Speaker 2: 9.08 a.m.
- 3:01Speaker 1: Boyce reads instructions to the jury and explains they cannot
- 3:05Speaker 1: use Lori Vallow's verdict case in relation to this case.
- 3:08Speaker 1: He talks about the defense and the prosecutors being allowed
- 3:11Speaker 1: to dismiss jurors for cause. If you are excused by
- 3:15Speaker 1: either side, please do not be offended or feel your
- 3:17Speaker 1: integrity is being questioned. My guess is most people are
- 3:21Speaker 1: happy as hell that they're not being forced to sit
- 3:24Speaker 1: through this.
- 3:26Speaker 2: 9.15 a.m.
- 3:28Speaker 1: Next juror says she would be going without income for
- 3:31Speaker 1: all but one week of the trial if picked to serve.
- 3:34Speaker 1: The state moves to dismiss the juror. Defense agrees. Voice
- 3:37Speaker 1: lets the juror go. 9.17 a.m. The next juror is
- 3:42Speaker 1: working two jobs and is in school full-time. She says
- 3:45Speaker 1: doing a 10-week trial would be difficult to meet school deadlines.
- 3:49Speaker 1: State moves to excuse the juror. Defense agrees. Boyce dismisses
- 3:53Speaker 1: her for cause based on hardship. 9.19 a.m. Another man
- 3:58Speaker 1: raises his card and says the trial would create a hardship.
- 4:01Speaker 1: He has a family trip that starts on May 25th.
- 4:05Speaker 1: They have booked plane tickets and hotels. The man says
- 4:08Speaker 1: if the trial ends before the trip, that's fine, but
- 4:11Speaker 1: rescheduling the trip would be very challenging. Yeah, it's never
- 4:16Speaker 1: easy to do, right? Especially if you don't have insurance
- 4:19Speaker 1: on that trip. And people who are working on a budget,
- 4:22Speaker 1: more times than not, they don't have insurance for those trips,
- 4:25Speaker 1: so they can't just cancel them whenever they want. 9.21 a.m.
- 4:31Speaker 1: State motions to remove the juror. Pryor asks a few
- 4:33Speaker 1: questions about the importance of the trip to the man's family.
- 4:37Speaker 1: Pryor concurs. With the dismissal, Boyce grants the request. Well,
- 4:41Speaker 1: it's obviously important his family planned the trip, right?
- 4:44Speaker 2: 9.25 a.m.
- 4:47Speaker 1: Another juror raises a red card and says she is
- 4:49Speaker 1: the primary provider for two young children who are homeschooled.
- 4:53Speaker 1: She also runs a five-acre farm where she raises sheep
- 4:56Speaker 1: and chicken. Lambing season is coming up. She would have
- 5:00Speaker 1: to enroll her kids in public school and child care.
- 5:03Speaker 2: Would be an issue.
- 5:04Speaker 1: 9.27 a.m. Prosecutors motion to have the juror removed. Pryor agrees.
- 5:10Speaker 1: Boyce grants the dismissal and the woman is excused.
- 5:13Speaker 2: 9.28 a.m.
- 5:16Speaker 1: There are eight remaining jurors in the pool. Next topic
- 5:20Speaker 1: Boyce wants to discuss is whether they have knowledge of
- 5:22Speaker 1: the case. 9.29 a.m. Boyce asks if any of the
- 5:26Speaker 1: jurors know anything about the case. Three jurors raise their
- 5:30Speaker 1: red cards. They will be asked about their knowledge of
- 5:33Speaker 1: the case during individual of or dire. 9.34 a.m. Lindsay
- 5:38Speaker 1: Blake will question the jurors. She begins by talking about
- 5:42Speaker 1: being brutally honest and asks the jurors what this means
- 5:45Speaker 1: to them. 9.38 a.m. Blake talking about the importance of
- 5:49Speaker 1: landing a plane and the jury's duty in following through
- 5:53Speaker 1: the entire trial. She then tells the group graphic autopsy
- 5:57Speaker 1: photos will be shown and asks if any jurors will
- 6:00Speaker 1: have issues seeing those photos. None of them raise their cards.
- 6:04Speaker 1: All better people than me. My arm would shoot up
- 6:07Speaker 1: so fast I'd probably tear my labrum. And there's no
- 6:10Speaker 1: way as a juror that I'd be able to stow
- 6:11Speaker 1: my bias in a case like this. Zero chance. 9.40 a.m.
- 6:17Speaker 1: Blake brings up the cheesy eggs analogy and how she
- 6:20Speaker 1: has to follow a specific recipe. She compares this to
- 6:23Speaker 1: following the judge's instructions with exactness. So it's pretty much
- 6:27Speaker 1: the same speech each time around, right? Every time there's
- 6:31Speaker 1: a new group of potential jurors, we're hearing the same
- 6:34Speaker 1: rhetoric from the prosecution. And that's how this works. They
- 6:38Speaker 1: have a game plan. They're going to stick to that
- 6:41Speaker 1: game plan. They're going to stick to that script because
- 6:44Speaker 1: they know it's effective. And when you give people analogies
- 6:47Speaker 1: like that, it's easier for them to connect the dots
- 6:51Speaker 1: and have a bit of understanding about what's going on here. 9.48 a.m.
- 6:56Speaker 1: Blake asks if any of the jurors are football fans.
- 6:58Speaker 1: She talks about the Kansas City Chiefs winning the Super
- 7:01Speaker 1: Bowl and how everyone on the team should get a ring,
- 7:05Speaker 1: even the minor players. She compares it to all parties
- 7:08Speaker 1: potentially involved in a crime. They are all responsible. 9.49 a.m.
- 7:13Speaker 1: Blake finishes questioning. We are taking a short recess, back
- 7:16Speaker 1: in about 10 to 15 minutes. 10.05 a.m. We are
- 7:20Speaker 1: back in the courtroom. Pryor will now begin questioning. 10.06 a.m.
- 7:26Speaker 1: Pryor tells the jurors it's really important they speak their minds.
- 7:29Speaker 1: He says he may have some questions that are not
- 7:32Speaker 1: designed to make them think Chad is guilty. Pryor tells
- 7:35Speaker 1: them if there is anything uncomfortable about what he says,
- 7:38Speaker 1: they should tell him. 10.10 a.m. Pryor asks the jurors
- 7:42Speaker 1: about the media. He says media often puts things out
- 7:45Speaker 1: to be sensational and it comes down to making money.
- 7:48Speaker 1: They're hoping everyone watches what they have to say. They're
- 7:51Speaker 1: hoping this is a way for them to gain readership
- 7:55Speaker 1: and the bottom line is it's all about money. Well,
- 7:58Speaker 1: there's no doubt about that. These news media outlets, they
- 8:02Speaker 1: don't operate on charity, do they? They're trying to make
- 8:05Speaker 1: some bucks. And as long as they report correctly and
- 8:09Speaker 1: they're not out here making shit up, then I say
- 8:11Speaker 1: go for it. The public needs to be informed about
- 8:14Speaker 1: what's going on, but the problem I have with the
- 8:17Speaker 1: legacy media is when they play their games, and mainly
- 8:20Speaker 1: my issue with them is when they're out here acting
- 8:22Speaker 1: like activists. Here's an idea, report the news.
- 8:25Speaker 2: 10.18 a.m.
- 8:29Speaker 1: Pryor uses a line from a country song about not
- 8:32Speaker 1: everything that glitters is gold. He used this same reference
- 8:35Speaker 1: during other jury groups and asked some of these jurors
- 8:37Speaker 1: to give their opinion on the phrase.
- 8:39Speaker 2: 10.19 a.m.
- 8:41Speaker 1: Pryor asks one juror to share her thoughts. She responds,
- 8:45Speaker 1: you had a lot of words in there. Can you clarify?
- 8:47Speaker 2: 10.21am.
- 8:50Speaker 1: Pryor tells the jurors they will see graphic photos. That
- 8:53Speaker 1: hurt their hearts. He asks the jurors if the emotion
- 8:56Speaker 1: they feel looking at the photos should be immediately taken
- 8:59Speaker 1: out on Chad. Well, I mean, kinda hard not to
- 9:03Speaker 1: make that leap, right? And that's why I said there's
- 9:06Speaker 1: no way I could be someone who stows away their
- 9:08Speaker 1: bias here. There's just too much information out there, and
- 9:13Speaker 1: we know too much about the man. Now, hopefully these
- 9:15Speaker 1: jurors don't, right? Because I want them to get a
- 9:18Speaker 1: fair trial. I don't want to hear any bullshit about, oh,
- 9:21Speaker 1: he didn't get a fair shake, none of that nonsense
- 9:24Speaker 1: later on down the road. And that's why it's crucial
- 9:26Speaker 1: that these steps are taken throughout the process of selecting
- 9:29Speaker 1: a jury. 10.23 a.m. Pryor finishes with his questions. Individual
- 9:35Speaker 1: Vordire will now commence. First juror to be questioned is
- 9:39Speaker 1: a woman. 10.25 a.m. Rocky Wixom questioning the juror. She
- 9:44Speaker 1: wrote on her questionnaire that she works three days a
- 9:47Speaker 1: week for a very small construction company. Her boss told
- 9:50Speaker 1: her it shouldn't be a problem. She isn't concerned financially
- 9:53Speaker 1: about serving. 1031 a.m. This juror supports the death penalty.
- 10:00Speaker 1: Prosecutors and defense have very few questions for her. She
- 10:03Speaker 1: passes through. She is juror number 38. We need 12
- 10:07Speaker 1: more to get to 50. 1033 a.m. Next juror takes
- 10:11Speaker 1: her seat. She wrote on her questionnaire that she followed
- 10:15Speaker 1: the case quite a bit and that she understands about
- 10:18Speaker 1: the case is from what she learned on the news.
- 10:20Speaker 1: She listened to some of the audio from the Lori
- 10:22Speaker 1: Vallow trial. 10.35 a.m. Juror says she has informed any
- 10:27Speaker 1: opinions about the case. State finishes their questions. Pryor asks
- 10:31Speaker 1: the lady if she watched any documentaries. She says she
- 10:35Speaker 1: saw the Netflix doc and watched some of Vallow's trial. 10.38 a.m.
- 10:40Speaker 1: The woman agrees with Pryor that she has had a
- 10:42Speaker 1: lot of media exposure. and admits she has probably formed
- 10:45Speaker 1: an impression about the case. Pryor moves to have the
- 10:48Speaker 1: juror remove for cause. Boyce grants the request and dismisses her. 10.44 a.m.
- 10:56Speaker 1: Next juror walks in. Wood will be questioning her and
- 10:59Speaker 1: reminds her that there are no wrong answers. The woman
- 11:02Speaker 1: explains she follows missing children stories, and once she learned
- 11:05Speaker 1: this was a murder, she lost interest. She follows online
- 11:08Speaker 1: local news and a few national outlets.
- 11:11Speaker 2: 10.47 a.m.
- 11:13Speaker 1: Despite reading a few headlines about the case, the juror
- 11:16Speaker 1: says she cannot commit to not relying on anything she's
- 11:19Speaker 1: read if picked as a juror. 10.51 a.m. Wood finishes questioning,
- 11:25Speaker 1: Pryor now asking some questions about media consumption. The woman
- 11:29Speaker 1: says she didn't know that there was a Netflix series
- 11:32Speaker 1: and doesn't watch Dateline. She doesn't watch any news but
- 11:36Speaker 1: reads it. 11 a.m. Pryor moves to have the juror
- 11:40Speaker 1: dismissed for perceived bias. Boyce overrules the request. Now he's
- 11:45Speaker 1: asking her about her views on the death penalty. You know,
- 11:48Speaker 1: I would think that this lady would be removed for
- 11:51Speaker 1: bias here and the judge would just nod his head
- 11:54Speaker 1: and be okay with it. But obviously Judge Boyce sees
- 11:57Speaker 1: something else going on and perhaps thinks that this lady
- 12:01Speaker 1: could be a valuable juror. 11.01 a.m. She supports the
- 12:06Speaker 1: death penalty, but not in every case where a murder
- 12:09Speaker 1: has been committed. State has no questions and neither does Pryor.
- 12:13Speaker 1: Woman advances. She's juror number 39. 11.05 a.m. Next juror
- 12:19Speaker 1: walks in. She knows a little about the case, the
- 12:22Speaker 1: reports of the kids missing, and their deaths. Wixom has
- 12:26Speaker 1: a few questions for the juror. The woman says she
- 12:29Speaker 1: doesn't watch the news, documentaries, etc., and hasn't read anything
- 12:33Speaker 1: online about the case. 11.06 a.m. Pryor has no questions.
- 12:38Speaker 1: Next topic is the death penalty. She supports it if
- 12:41Speaker 1: the evidence dictates that death is appropriate. She would follow
- 12:45Speaker 1: the evidence, facts, and court's instructions concerning the death penalty. 11.08 a.m.
- 12:52Speaker 1: State and Pryor have no questions on death penalty for
- 12:55Speaker 1: this juror. She advances and is number 40. So everything's
- 12:59Speaker 1: flowing smoothly as far as the process goes here, and
- 13:02Speaker 1: there have been no surprises thus far. How come I
- 13:06Speaker 1: have a feeling that down in Delphi, it's not going
- 13:08Speaker 1: to be the same situation? 11.11 a.m. Next juror walks in.
- 13:13Speaker 1: There are no questions about hardship or bias, so we
- 13:16Speaker 1: jump straight to questions on death penalty. He supports a
- 13:19Speaker 1: death penalty, but only when a certain situation comes up,
- 13:23Speaker 1: not in all cases. 11.13 a.m. Prosecutors have no questions
- 13:27Speaker 1: for the juror, neither does Pryor. This juror advances. He
- 13:31Speaker 1: is number 41.
- 13:31Speaker 2: 11.15 a.m.
- 13:31Speaker 1: Next juror in. He hasn't followed the case, but recalls
- 13:38Speaker 1: seeing some things on the local news a few years ago.
- 13:41Speaker 1: That's his only exposure, and he knows nothing else about
- 13:45Speaker 1: Chad and Lori Daybell. 11.18 a.m. Wood asks a few questions.
- 13:50Speaker 1: Pryor has no questions. Boyce now discussing the death penalty.
- 13:54Speaker 1: The juror supports the death penalty, but Wood follow instructions
- 13:58Speaker 1: provided by the court and does not believe it should
- 14:01Speaker 1: be used in every case where a murder has been committed.
- 14:04Speaker 2: 11.20 a.m.
- 14:06Speaker 1: Prosecutors have no questions, neither does defense. Juror number 42 advances. 11.26 a.m.
- 14:14Speaker 1: One more juror in this group to question. This has
- 14:17Speaker 1: been the fastest moving pool so far this week, and
- 14:20Speaker 1: another group will be questioned this afternoon. 11.27 a.m. Next
- 14:25Speaker 1: juror takes his seat. The man says he was aware
- 14:28Speaker 1: of the case, but he thought it was over. He
- 14:30Speaker 1: says all he knows is some deaths occurred and some
- 14:33Speaker 1: people went to Hawaii, but he doesn't know much more. 11.29 a.m.
- 14:38Speaker 1: Pryor asks some questions for the man and moves to
- 14:41Speaker 1: dismiss him based on bias. State follows up and Beatty
- 14:44Speaker 1: asks if the man has formed an opinion. He says
- 14:47Speaker 1: an egregious crime occurred. He says he didn't even know
- 14:50Speaker 1: the names of the people involved and he'd be able
- 14:52Speaker 1: to be fair. 11.38 a.m. Boyce overrules the motion to
- 14:57Speaker 1: have the juror dismissed. Now he will discuss the death
- 15:01Speaker 1: penalty with the man.
- 15:02Speaker 2: 11.40 a.m.
- 15:04Speaker 1: The juror supports the death penalty in the appropriate context.
- 15:08Speaker 1: He says he can follow facts, law, and instructions in
- 15:11Speaker 1: the case if considering the case. He does not favor
- 15:14Speaker 1: the death penalty in every case where murder has been committed.
- 15:19Speaker 1: State has no questions for the man. Pryor has one
- 15:22Speaker 1: clarifying question but does not move to have the juror dismissed.
- 15:25Speaker 1: He advances. Number 44. We need six more.
- 15:29Speaker 2: 1143 a.m.
- 15:31Speaker 1: Seven jurors from this morning's group advanced, three men, four women.
- 15:35Speaker 1: They will now all be brought back in and advised
- 15:38Speaker 1: not to read or watch anything about the case. This afternoon,
- 15:41Speaker 1: another group of 16 will come in for questioning. The
- 15:44Speaker 1: court only needs six more before we hit 50. 1144 a.m.
- 15:50Speaker 1: Once we get to 50, the defense and prosecutors will
- 15:53Speaker 1: have preemptory challenges until the number gets down to 18 jurors,
- 15:56Speaker 1: 12 jurors and six alternates. That could happen as early
- 16:00Speaker 1: as tomorrow. All right, folks, so that's going to wrap
- 16:03Speaker 1: up part one of day four of jury selection in
- 16:07Speaker 1: the Chad Daybell trial. And in the next episode, we'll
- 16:10Speaker 1: pick up where we left off and finish this bad
- 16:13Speaker 1: boy up. All of the information that goes with this
- 16:17Speaker 1: episode can be found in the description box. What's up, everyone,
- 16:21Speaker 1: and welcome back to the program. In this episode, we're
- 16:24Speaker 1: getting right back to it with the fourth day of
- 16:27Speaker 1: jury selection in the Chad Daybell trial. This article was
- 16:32Speaker 1: published by EastIdahoNews.com, and the author of this article is
- 16:38Speaker 1: Nate Eaton. 1.30 p.m. Back in the courtroom, defense and
- 16:43Speaker 1: prosecutors are here, waiting on Judge Boyce and the jurors. 1.36 p.m.
- 16:49Speaker 1: Attorneys head back to meet with Judge Boyce in his chambers.
- 16:52Speaker 1: Chad Daybell sits alone at the defense table with his
- 16:55Speaker 1: hands in a praying shape in front of his face.
- 16:58Speaker 1: Imagine thinking that there's any God out there. That's looking
- 17:01Speaker 1: down at Chad Daybell favorably. Like for real who you
- 17:05Speaker 1: praying to bro? There's no God up there that's going
- 17:09Speaker 1: to listen to your prayers. Those days are over. And
- 17:13Speaker 1: if there is a heaven and a hell. Your ass
- 17:16Speaker 1: is going directly to hell. So save the prayers. Save
- 17:20Speaker 1: the BS. And get ready for a cascade of bologna
- 17:23Speaker 1: sandwiches for the rest of your life.
- 17:24Speaker 2: 140.
- 17:26Speaker 1: Daybell is now thumbing through papers and reading notes. There
- 17:30Speaker 1: are six people in the gallery this afternoon, Madison County
- 17:33Speaker 1: Sheriff Deputy Vince Kayakamanu, three reporters, including me, a college student,
- 17:39Speaker 1: and Tom Evans, the juror, in the Vallow trial. 1.46 p.m.
- 17:44Speaker 1: Judge Boyce is on the bench. The next group of
- 17:46Speaker 1: jurors will be brought in, except one will remain outside
- 17:50Speaker 1: and will speak with the attorneys and judge privately. So
- 17:53Speaker 1: it's always interesting to me when stuff like that happens.
- 17:56Speaker 1: And I guess that's because I'm fascinated by the small
- 17:59Speaker 1: minutia of the justice system and how it all works.
- 18:03Speaker 1: And this whole entire process of selecting a jury is
- 18:06Speaker 1: fascinating to me. So it's always very, very interesting when
- 18:09Speaker 1: we can get a look behind the curtain. 1.48 p.m.
- 18:14Speaker 1: Jury has been seated. There are 15 jurors, 9 men,
- 18:17Speaker 1: 6 women. The judge and attorneys leave the room to
- 18:21Speaker 1: meet with the individual juror in private. 1.53 p.m. The
- 18:26Speaker 1: judge and attorneys are back in court. Boyce says the
- 18:29Speaker 1: juror they just met with has been excused for bias
- 18:32Speaker 1: and hardship. I can only imagine what sort of story
- 18:35Speaker 1: this juror was telling the judge. Yeah, I watched the
- 18:38Speaker 1: whole entire Vallow trial, judge. This dude should hang. That's
- 18:41Speaker 1: what I'd be saying. So I wouldn't be shocked to
- 18:44Speaker 1: hear one of these jurors saying that in private, telling
- 18:47Speaker 1: the judge, telling the prosecutors, the defense lawyer. I can't
- 18:51Speaker 1: stow my bias here. This dude's obviously guilty, he killed
- 18:55Speaker 1: these kids, and I want him to be found guilty.
- 18:59Speaker 1: You don't think any of these potential jurors have said
- 19:02Speaker 1: that in private? I bet you they have. 1.54 p.m.
- 19:06Speaker 1: One juror has failed to appear. Boyce asks the 15
- 19:09Speaker 1: who are here to hold up their red cards showing
- 19:12Speaker 1: their numbers. 1.56 p.m. Boyce introduces himself and the court staff.
- 19:17Speaker 1: Clerk takes roll.
- 19:18Speaker 2: 1.58 p.m.
- 19:21Speaker 1: Boyce says the juror who failed to appear has until
- 19:24Speaker 1: 5 p.m. to get here or provide good explanation why
- 19:28Speaker 1: they didn't show up. If that person doesn't show up
- 19:31Speaker 1: or have a reason, they could face a $ 500 fine
- 19:34Speaker 1: and up to five days in jail.
- 19:36Speaker 2: 2.01 p.m.
- 19:39Speaker 1: Boyce explains State has the burden to prove Daybell guilty
- 19:42Speaker 1: beyond a reasonable doubt. Defendant never has to prove anything
- 19:46Speaker 1: and Daybell never needs to take the stand. And again,
- 19:50Speaker 1: just to reiterate, he doesn't have to say a word.
- 19:53Speaker 1: He could sit there quietly, doodling, in prayer, whatever he
- 19:57Speaker 1: wants to do, and it's up to the state to
- 20:00Speaker 1: make their case. The burden of proof rests with the state.
- 20:05Speaker 1: So Chad Daybell doesn't have to provide one iota of
- 20:08Speaker 1: evidence to in his own defense, if he doesn't want to.
- 20:11Speaker 1: Is that advisable? I would say no, but, hell, I
- 20:15Speaker 1: guess some people out here think it's a good idea.
- 20:18Speaker 1: I'm talking to you, Lori Vallow. 2.07 p.m. Boyce reads
- 20:23Speaker 1: instructions to the jury. He explains they may be dismissed
- 20:27Speaker 1: for cause or during preemptory challenges. He tells them not
- 20:31Speaker 1: to feel offended or that their honesty and integrity is
- 20:34Speaker 1: being questioned.
- 20:35Speaker 2: 2.10 p.m.
- 20:38Speaker 1: Boyce asks if serving on a jury for 8 to
- 20:40Speaker 1: 10 weeks would create a financial hardship for any of
- 20:43Speaker 1: the jurors. One man says he spoke to HR and
- 20:46Speaker 1: they'll only be able to pay him for two weeks
- 20:48Speaker 1: of jury duty. State moves to dismiss the juror. Defense agrees.
- 20:53Speaker 1: Boyce excuses the juror.
- 20:54Speaker 2: 2.12 p.m.
- 20:57Speaker 1: Another juror has a family reunion planned in Alabama for
- 21:01Speaker 1: June 4th through June 12th. He says he also takes
- 21:05Speaker 1: his kids to school and as his wife starts her
- 21:07Speaker 1: job before the school day. State has no questions. Pryor
- 21:11Speaker 1: has a few questions, but says he will submit to
- 21:13Speaker 1: the court. Boyce excuses the juror. 2.16 p.m. Boyce asks
- 21:19Speaker 1: if any of the jurors have knowledge of the case.
- 21:21Speaker 1: Four members raise their red cards. They will be questioned
- 21:24Speaker 1: about their knowledge during individual of war dire. And that's
- 21:28Speaker 1: why it's so crucial for the lawyers to get things
- 21:32Speaker 1: right during this questioning phase. because getting a jury that
- 21:36Speaker 1: might be favorable to your client is one of the
- 21:40Speaker 1: most important things you could possibly do. So this process,
- 21:43Speaker 1: while admittedly a bit mundane, is super important for how
- 21:47Speaker 1: things end up as far as the trial goes. 2.21 p.m.
- 21:52Speaker 1: Lindsay Blake will voir dire on behalf of the state.
- 21:56Speaker 1: She starts by asking the jurors what they think the
- 21:58Speaker 1: term brutally honest means to them. 2.24 p.m. Blake explains
- 22:03Speaker 1: the jurors need to be brutally honest today with the attorneys,
- 22:06Speaker 1: and if they are picked for the jury, they need
- 22:08Speaker 1: to be brutally honest when it comes to deliberations.
- 22:13Speaker 2: 2.25 p.m.
- 22:14Speaker 1: Blake brings up the airplane analogy and the importance of
- 22:17Speaker 1: the jury landing the plane. The big question is, will
- 22:21Speaker 1: she talk about cheesy eggs or preparing a cup of coffee?
- 22:24Speaker 1: Stay tuned. And when they have a narrative that they're
- 22:27Speaker 1: trying to press home, they're not going to stray from
- 22:29Speaker 1: the point. And if the Lori Vallow trial was any indication,
- 22:33Speaker 1: these prosecutors, they're like a dog with a bone when
- 22:37Speaker 1: it comes to their opening statement, when it comes to
- 22:39Speaker 1: pressing at home. Yeah, I think that Chad Daybell is
- 22:43Speaker 1: really in for it, folks. 2.27 p.m. Blake explains some
- 22:47Speaker 1: of the evidence will be graphic and disturbing. She asks
- 22:50Speaker 1: if this will cause anyone concerns about being on the jury.
- 22:53Speaker 1: One man raises his hand. Another lady says maybe. She
- 22:57Speaker 1: gets emotional saying that as a mother... I might not
- 23:00Speaker 1: be able to see it. She says she can be impartial,
- 23:03Speaker 1: but can she look at it?
- 23:05Speaker 2: Difficult.
- 23:06Speaker 1: And again, I get that. Imagine being a parent, and
- 23:09Speaker 1: you gotta come home to look at your babies every
- 23:11Speaker 1: day after looking at this brutality. Just absolutely horrible. And
- 23:16Speaker 1: just another reason for me to hate Stunaden Scafusa. 2.29pm.
- 23:21Speaker 1: The man who raised his hand says he has two
- 23:24Speaker 1: very young children, and it would be very difficult for
- 23:26Speaker 1: him to see the images. He says he would struggle
- 23:30Speaker 1: to not make immediate opinion, but would be willing to listen. However,
- 23:34Speaker 1: he worries he could not be impartial after seeing them.
- 23:38Speaker 1: And that's where I'm at. Like with this case especially,
- 23:41Speaker 1: maybe if I was coming in cold and I didn't
- 23:43Speaker 1: know anything about the case, it would be different. I'd
- 23:46Speaker 1: be more willing to, you know, maybe suffer through it.
- 23:49Speaker 1: But knowing what we know about this case and knowing
- 23:51Speaker 1: what we saw during the Lori Vallow trial, there's no
- 23:54Speaker 1: doubt that the evidence that's going to be presented is
- 23:57Speaker 1: going to be brutal.
- 23:58Speaker 2: 2.31 p.m.
- 24:03Speaker 1: Blake brings up the cheesy eggs. Her son wants his
- 24:06Speaker 1: eggs a certain way every day, and if she varies
- 24:09Speaker 1: from it, he gets upset. She compares this to following
- 24:12Speaker 1: court instructions specifically, even if they think that they know better. 2.35 p.m.
- 24:18Speaker 1: Blake talks about the Kansas City Chiefs winning the Super
- 24:20Speaker 1: Bowl this year. She asks one juror, would you agree
- 24:24Speaker 1: that every person on the team should get a Super
- 24:26Speaker 1: Bowl ring? Juror says yes, absolutely. She compares this to
- 24:30Speaker 1: the conspiracy aspect of the case and says they will
- 24:33Speaker 1: hear about actions taken by Lori Vallow and Alex Cox,
- 24:37Speaker 1: but Chad Daybell could still be accountable for the actions.
- 24:41Speaker 1: And they're setting up the conspiracy charge there, right? Making
- 24:44Speaker 1: sure that the jurors understand that you don't have to
- 24:47Speaker 1: be the proverbial trigger man to get charged with murder.
- 24:51Speaker 1: You just have to be there and be involved. And
- 24:53Speaker 1: when it comes to Lori Vallow and Chad Daybell, Well,
- 24:56Speaker 1: we already know from Lori's trial that they were conspiring.
- 25:00Speaker 1: So now the job of the prosecution is to push
- 25:03Speaker 1: that ball home over the goal line and show that
- 25:06Speaker 1: Chad Daybell was a key cog in what was going on.
- 25:12Speaker 2: 239.
- 25:12Speaker 1: One man says he has a problem with the conspiracy
- 25:15Speaker 1: definition and believes the person would have to actually commit
- 25:19Speaker 1: the crime, not just talk about it. Blake asks him
- 25:22Speaker 1: a few more questions and then motions to have the
- 25:24Speaker 1: juror dismissed. Pryor asked to approach. Attorneys and Boyce meet
- 25:29Speaker 1: on the side of the courtroom while white noise is played. Yeah,
- 25:32Speaker 1: this is the kind of guy that Pryor wants on
- 25:35Speaker 1: the jury, right? This dude's like, look, I don't believe
- 25:37Speaker 1: that conspiracy is even a crime. So yeah, certainly the
- 25:41Speaker 1: kind of juror that Pryor wants and the prosecution wants
- 25:44Speaker 1: to get rid of. 2.42 p.m. Boyce back on the
- 25:48Speaker 1: bench and says he will take the motion under advisement.
- 25:52Speaker 1: But for now, the man stays. Another lady raises her
- 25:55Speaker 1: card and says she feels one party can manipulate the
- 25:58Speaker 1: other two parties. 2.45pm. Blake has no further questions. Pryor
- 26:04Speaker 1: will now question the group. Chad Daybell is looking at
- 26:07Speaker 1: the jurors. Pryor says he wants the jurors to understand
- 26:11Speaker 1: there are no wrong answers. 2.50pm. Court lost audio on
- 26:15Speaker 1: the live feed stream for a few minutes. It should
- 26:18Speaker 1: be back on. Pryor continues questioning the jury on the
- 26:21Speaker 1: subject of what an agreement is.
- 26:23Speaker 2: 2.53 p.m.
- 26:26Speaker 1: Pryor says, I'm a lucky man. I have an absolutely
- 26:30Speaker 1: gorgeous girlfriend. I think dearly of her, and I don't
- 26:33Speaker 1: deserve her. I don't know if she would marry me
- 26:35Speaker 1: or not, but we skirt about the issue a lot.
- 26:38Speaker 1: He asks jurors to raise their hands if they think
- 26:41Speaker 1: he has made an offer of marriage to her. Nobody
- 26:44Speaker 1: raises their hands. 2.57 p.m. Pryor asks if anyone on
- 26:48Speaker 1: the jury has been 100% honest their entire time. He
- 26:53Speaker 1: says people tell lies all the time, and asked the
- 26:55Speaker 1: jury if people lie about relationships. Many say yes. So
- 26:59Speaker 1: trying to set the tone that Lori Vallow's lying about
- 27:02Speaker 1: the relationship, yada yada yada. And a nice attempt on
- 27:05Speaker 1: Pryor's part, but I don't think it's going to end
- 27:07Speaker 1: up where he wants it to end up when all
- 27:09Speaker 1: is said and done. 3.01 p.m. Pryor now bringing up
- 27:14Speaker 1: the line from the country song, Everything that glitters is
- 27:17Speaker 1: not gold. He asked the jury what they think that
- 27:20Speaker 1: expression could mean.
- 27:20Speaker 2: 3.03 p.m.
- 27:22Speaker 1: Pryor says he's going to go into the last subject.
- 27:26Speaker 1: It's about time, huh? He says, looking at the clock.
- 27:30Speaker 1: He mentions the jurors will see very, very graphic photos.
- 27:33Speaker 1: These pictures are going to hurt your heart. I'm telling you,
- 27:36Speaker 1: they're going to hurt your heart. They hurt mine, he says. 3.06 p.m.
- 27:41Speaker 1: He asks the jurors if they can commit not to
- 27:43Speaker 1: hold Chad responsible for what they see on the images.
- 27:47Speaker 1: The jurors all agree. Pryor has no further questions. Individual
- 27:50Speaker 1: Vore Dyer will now begin. So things are moving swimmingly here.
- 27:55Speaker 1: And we've seen several different trials where it hasn't been
- 27:59Speaker 1: such a smooth process. So definitely good to see. 3.09 p.m.
- 28:05Speaker 1: First juror being questioned says it would be extremely difficult
- 28:08Speaker 1: to serve on the jury because she has young children.
- 28:11Speaker 1: She could find child care, but they also own an
- 28:14Speaker 1: insurance business. Boyce says court will be finished at 3.30 p.m.
- 28:19Speaker 1: each day, but that a sequestered jury is possible, and
- 28:23Speaker 1: the woman would not be able to be with her
- 28:25Speaker 1: family for one to two weeks. So that should be
- 28:28Speaker 1: a hardship for this lady, and they should just let
- 28:30Speaker 1: her go.
- 28:31Speaker 2: 3.11 p.m.
- 28:34Speaker 1: Prosecutors have no questions for the juror. Prior moves to
- 28:37Speaker 1: have the juror excluded for hardship. Boyce asks how being
- 28:40Speaker 1: away from her family would impact the woman's ability to
- 28:43Speaker 1: serve on the jury. She says it would impact her negatively.
- 28:46Speaker 1: Boyce sustains the challenge and the woman is released. 3.15 p.m.
- 28:52Speaker 1: We will be taking an afternoon break right now. We'll
- 28:54Speaker 1: be back soon. 3.35 p.m. We're back in the courtroom.
- 28:59Speaker 1: Boyce is on the bench. Next juror is brought in
- 29:01Speaker 1: for individual of Orr Dyer. Beatty asks the man some
- 29:04Speaker 1: follow-up questions based on his responses in the questionnaire. He
- 29:08Speaker 1: says he holds a conviction. That proof should be beyond
- 29:12Speaker 1: any possible doubt whatsoever. Beatty asks him to clarify that,
- 29:16Speaker 1: and he says he isn't sure he's fully understanding. 3.41 p.m.
- 29:22Speaker 1: Boyce defines reasonable doubt to the juror. The man says
- 29:25Speaker 1: he has no problems with it. Now he will be
- 29:27Speaker 1: asked questions about the death penalty. The man says he
- 29:30Speaker 1: supports it, but would impose it based on the facts, law,
- 29:34Speaker 1: and instruction in the case. He's not in favor of
- 29:36Speaker 1: the death penalty in every case where murder was committed. 3.45 p.m.
- 29:41Speaker 1: No further questions. The juror passes through and is number 45.
- 29:46Speaker 1: We need five more to get to 50. Next juror
- 29:49Speaker 1: will now take his seat for individual questioning.
- 29:54Speaker 2: 3.49 p.m.
- 29:55Speaker 1: No issues on bias or hardship with this juror. Boyce
- 29:58Speaker 1: jumps straight to death penalty questions The man supports the
- 30:01Speaker 1: death penalty, but would only impose it based on the
- 30:04Speaker 1: facts of the case. He would follow instructions given by
- 30:07Speaker 1: the judge. He's not in favor of the death penalty
- 30:10Speaker 1: in every case where murder has been committed. No questions
- 30:13Speaker 1: from either side. Juror 46 advances. 3.54 p.m. Next juror
- 30:18Speaker 1: takes his seat. Wixom asks the man about his knowledge
- 30:22Speaker 1: of the case. He says he's heard news clips in
- 30:25Speaker 1: the name of Lori Vallow. He knows that two kids
- 30:27Speaker 1: were victims. and that Hawaii was part of the case.
- 30:31Speaker 1: He hasn't watched any documentaries or programs about the case. 3.56 p.m.
- 30:37Speaker 1: The man feels he could be impartial and believes in
- 30:39Speaker 1: innocence until proven guilty. Pryor has no questions at this point.
- 30:44Speaker 1: Boyce now discussing death penalty. The juror supports the death penalty,
- 30:48Speaker 1: but would impose it based on facts, law, and instruction
- 30:52Speaker 1: in the case. There are no questions from either side.
- 30:54Speaker 1: The juror advances. He's number 47. We need three more
- 30:58Speaker 1: from this group to advance to get to 50. 4 p.m.
- 31:03Speaker 1: Young father is the next juror. This is the man
- 31:05Speaker 1: who said he would have a problem with graphic images.
- 31:09Speaker 1: He says he's concerned about it but wants to be
- 31:11Speaker 1: impartial and weigh it accurately. He says he would struggle
- 31:15Speaker 1: in associating it with his personal situation. He worries he
- 31:19Speaker 1: would be emotional in wanting to seek justice.
- 31:21Speaker 2: 4.04 p.m.
- 31:24Speaker 1: Blake has no further questions. Pryor wants to follow up
- 31:26Speaker 1: with the man. The juror says it would be difficult
- 31:29Speaker 1: for him to not make an immediate emotional reaction of
- 31:33Speaker 1: wanting to assign guilt to somebody if he sees the photos.
- 31:36Speaker 1: It could have an impact on him while deliberating. Pryor
- 31:39Speaker 1: moves to have the juror dismissed for cause. Blake submits
- 31:42Speaker 1: to the court's decision. Boyce lets the man go based
- 31:46Speaker 1: on the juror's responses. And that was probably the right decision.
- 31:50Speaker 1: My man was very honest. said he couldn't stow his bias,
- 31:53Speaker 1: so here we are. 4.09 p.m. Next juror takes her seat.
- 31:58Speaker 1: She says she has come across some news about the
- 32:00Speaker 1: case online. She did watch the Netflix special about a
- 32:03Speaker 1: year ago. She remembers there were several suspicious deaths and
- 32:07Speaker 1: seeing aerial footage of the land where the kids were found.
- 32:10Speaker 1: Beatty asks the woman if she knows who owned the property.
- 32:14Speaker 1: She believes it was the defendant. 4.11 p.m. Beatty asks
- 32:18Speaker 1: the woman if if she could look at the emotional
- 32:21Speaker 1: photos and still put out of her mind based on
- 32:23Speaker 1: what she saw on Netflix. I'd like to say I
- 32:25Speaker 1: can do that, but I don't think anyone can say
- 32:27Speaker 1: that until they are in that situation, she says. Beatty
- 32:31Speaker 1: moves to have the juror dismissed due to media exposure.
- 32:34Speaker 1: Pryor agrees. Boyce grants the motion, and the juror is released. 4.15 p.m.
- 32:40Speaker 1: The next juror walks in. He had an issue with
- 32:43Speaker 1: conspiracy earlier on, so we'll begin there. Blake is questioning him,
- 32:48Speaker 1: and he says it would have to be proven that
- 32:50Speaker 1: there was an actual agreement, not just word spoken. He
- 32:53Speaker 1: says an example would be a transfer of money or
- 32:56Speaker 1: action that would suggest there was an agreement made. 4.20 p.m.
- 33:01Speaker 1: The man says he would be willing to follow the
- 33:03Speaker 1: instructions of the court, and he would consider all the
- 33:05Speaker 1: evidence allowed by the court. Blake has no further questions.
- 33:09Speaker 1: Pryor has no further questions. Next topic, death penalty. The
- 33:13Speaker 1: man supports the death penalty, but not in every case
- 33:16Speaker 1: where murder is committed. He will follow the court's instruction.
- 33:19Speaker 1: State has no questions. Defense doesn't either. The juror advances.
- 33:23Speaker 1: He's 48. 4.26 p.m. Blake had previously made a motion
- 33:29Speaker 1: to have the man excused but withdrew the motion. She
- 33:31Speaker 1: wants to make it clear for the official court record. 4.27 p.m.
- 33:36Speaker 1: Next juror sits down. Wood begins questioning her. The woman
- 33:41Speaker 1: says she has seen headlines about the case but doesn't
- 33:43Speaker 1: remember reading. She believes Daybell has an absolute right to
- 33:47Speaker 1: a fair trial. Pryor has no questions. Now they'll discuss
- 33:51Speaker 1: the death penalty. 4.30 p.m. The juror supports the death
- 33:55Speaker 1: penalty and will follow the law, facts, and instruction given
- 33:58Speaker 1: to her in court. State and defense has no questions.
- 34:02Speaker 1: The woman advances. She is 49. We need one more. 4.32 p.m.
- 34:08Speaker 1: Next juror takes her seat. Wixom is questioning the woman
- 34:11Speaker 1: about media coverage of the case. She has watched some
- 34:14Speaker 1: commercials teasing the story for local news and recalls seeing
- 34:18Speaker 1: an aerial view of the property. She does not know
- 34:20Speaker 1: the names of the victims. She says she can set
- 34:23Speaker 1: aside anything she's seen and believes everyone is innocent until
- 34:27Speaker 1: proven guilty. 4.37pm. Pryor doesn't have any questions for the woman.
- 34:33Speaker 1: Boyce asks the juror about her job. She says she
- 34:36Speaker 1: isn't worried about it, she's one of a group of people,
- 34:39Speaker 1: and being sequestered wouldn't cause any problems. Now Boyce will
- 34:43Speaker 1: discuss the death penalty with her. 4.40 p.m. The juror
- 34:47Speaker 1: generally favors the death penalty, but would base her decision
- 34:50Speaker 1: on the facts and evidence. She commits to following instructions
- 34:54Speaker 1: of court. State has no questions, and neither does Pryor.
- 34:57Speaker 1: This juror advances. She's number 50. That's the number we need.
- 35:01Speaker 2: 4.42 p.m.
- 35:04Speaker 1: Boyce calls for the next juror to come in. Looks
- 35:06Speaker 1: like we'll continue, individual Vor Dyer, with the rest of
- 35:09Speaker 1: the group. And you know what? Not a bad idea.
- 35:12Speaker 1: You have some extra time in the court. Get it
- 35:14Speaker 1: all sessed out now. Get everything locked in. That way
- 35:18Speaker 1: we're locked and loaded and ready to go. 4.45 p.m.
- 35:23Speaker 1: Next juror takes her seat. Beatty asking the woman about
- 35:25Speaker 1: media exposure. She has seen some local news reports and
- 35:29Speaker 1: remembers two children being killed involving a husband and a wife.
- 35:33Speaker 1: They ran off to Hawaii together, and the bodies were
- 35:36Speaker 1: found on one of their properties. The woman wrote on
- 35:38Speaker 1: her questionnaire that Chad may be mentally ill. I mean, yeah,
- 35:43Speaker 1: I can't disagree with that. Not mentally ill enough not
- 35:46Speaker 1: to stand trial, but anyone who thinks what he thinks,
- 35:50Speaker 1: anyone who does what him and Lori did, I think
- 35:53Speaker 1: they're mentally ill too. 4.49 p.m. Beatty asks a few
- 35:58Speaker 1: follow-up questions, and Al Pryor is questioning the juror. He
- 36:01Speaker 1: asks her about the questionnaire. where she wrote Chad Daybell
- 36:04Speaker 1: killed several people and may have mental issues. She clarifies
- 36:08Speaker 1: what she meant. Pryor has no further questions. Beatty moves
- 36:12Speaker 1: to excuse the juror given the depth of her media exposure. 4.56 p.m.
- 36:17Speaker 1: Boyce sustains the strike and the juror is released. Next
- 36:21Speaker 1: juror takes his seat. 4.59 p.m. Wood is questioning the juror.
- 36:25Speaker 1: He has seen coverage of the story on local and
- 36:27Speaker 1: national news. He also watched the outcome of the Lori
- 36:31Speaker 1: Vallow case. Wood motions to have the juror dismissed. Pryor agrees.
- 36:36Speaker 1: Boyce grants the request and the man is excused. 5.06 p.m.
- 36:41Speaker 1: Next juror takes his seat. Wixom asks the man about
- 36:45Speaker 1: some of the answers on his questionnaire. The juror has
- 36:47Speaker 1: heard of Lori Vallow from his co-workers and he recalls
- 36:51Speaker 1: that recently she was convicted, possibly. The man does not
- 36:55Speaker 1: know the names of the victims but knows the crimes
- 36:57Speaker 1: occurred in Idaho. 5.10 p.m. Wixom has no further questions.
- 37:02Speaker 1: Cryer has no questions. Boyce bringing up the death penalty.
- 37:06Speaker 1: The juror generally favors the death penalty but would base
- 37:09Speaker 1: a decision to impose it on the facts, law, and
- 37:12Speaker 1: instructions in the case. No questions from the state or
- 37:15Speaker 1: the defense. The juror advances. He's number 51. 5.15 p.m.
- 37:21Speaker 1: One more juror walks in. The woman had some media
- 37:24Speaker 1: exposure passively. She doesn't watch the news and has informed
- 37:28Speaker 1: an opinion. Boyce talks to the lady about the death
- 37:31Speaker 1: penalty and The woman supports the death penalty but will
- 37:34Speaker 1: follow the laws and instructions when it comes to imposing it.
- 37:37Speaker 1: State has no further questions, neither does defense. Juror advances.
- 37:42Speaker 1: She is number 52. 5.19 p.m. Boyce calls for a
- 37:47Speaker 1: quick sidebar in his chambers before the jury pool is
- 37:49Speaker 1: brought back in. 5.25 p.m. Attorneys walk back in. Chad
- 37:55Speaker 1: Daybell looks back at the clock on the wall. Boyce
- 37:57Speaker 1: takes the bench and says the jury pool will be
- 38:00Speaker 1: brought in to be passed for cause.
- 38:03Speaker 2: 5.28 p.m.
- 38:04Speaker 1: The jury pool of eight is passed for cause. Boyce
- 38:07Speaker 1: tells them to avoid coverage of the case and not
- 38:10Speaker 1: to investigate it. 5.30 p.m. Court is adjourned until tomorrow
- 38:14Speaker 1: at 8.30 a.m. All right, folks. Well, there is day
- 38:19Speaker 1: number four of jury selection in the Chad Daybell trial.
- 38:23Speaker 1: And after today's proceedings, we'll have a recap tomorrow about
- 38:27Speaker 1: what went down. But until then, that's going to do
- 38:30Speaker 1: it for this one. All of the information that goes
- 38:32Speaker 1: with this episode can be found in the description box.
- 38:36Speaker 1: What's up, everyone, and welcome back to the program. For
- 38:40Speaker 1: the past week, we've been following along with the Chad
- 38:43Speaker 1: Daybell jury selection, and it looks like we've reached the
- 38:47Speaker 1: point where they have the required number of jurors. So
- 38:51Speaker 1: now we're going to have to move on to the
- 38:53Speaker 1: preemptory challenges that will start next week. But before we
- 38:58Speaker 1: get ahead of our skis, why don't we take a
- 39:00Speaker 1: look at what went down in the courtroom on Friday.
- 39:04Speaker 1: And once again, this article is from eastidahonews.com, and the
- 39:08Speaker 1: author of this article is Nate Eaton. 8.45 a.m. We
- 39:14Speaker 1: are back in the courtroom for day five of jury
- 39:16Speaker 1: selection in Chad Daybell's case.
- 39:18Speaker 2: 8.47 a.m.
- 39:20Speaker 1: There are more people in the gallery today, nearly 20 people,
- 39:23Speaker 1: including Vicki Hoban, Tammy Daybell's aunt, Chad Daybell is sitting
- 39:28Speaker 1: next to his attorney, John Pryor. At the prosecutor's table,
- 39:31Speaker 1: you have Madison County Prosecutor Rob Wood, Fremont County Prosecutor
- 39:35Speaker 1: Lindsay Blake, and Special Prosecutor Ingrid Beatty and Fremont County
- 39:40Speaker 1: Deputy Prosecutor Rocky Wixom.
- 39:42Speaker 2: 8.55 a.m.
- 39:46Speaker 1: Boyce is on the bench. He says we are continuing
- 39:49Speaker 1: with Vor Dyer today and a new group of jurors
- 39:52Speaker 1: will be brought in. Two of the jurors in this
- 39:54Speaker 1: next group did not show up this morning. 8.58 a.m.
- 39:59Speaker 1: Preemptory strikes won't be happening yet as this new group
- 40:02Speaker 1: of jurors will be questioned this morning. There are 14
- 40:05Speaker 1: in the group, 9 women, 5 men. Unclear when this
- 40:08Speaker 1: process of Vor Dyer will stop and how many more
- 40:11Speaker 1: groups of jurors will be questioned. Boyce said on the
- 40:14Speaker 1: first day 50 jurors were needed We hit 52 yesterday.
- 40:19Speaker 1: And in a case like this, with as much on
- 40:21Speaker 1: the line, they want to make sure that they have
- 40:24Speaker 1: the right amount of jurors, backups, the proper people in place,
- 40:28Speaker 1: because remember, it's all about the appeal. That's what they're
- 40:31Speaker 1: all thinking about right now, because I'm telling you, they
- 40:35Speaker 1: might not come out and say it, obviously, but anyone
- 40:37Speaker 1: who's paying attention here knows that Chad Daybell is really
- 40:40Speaker 1: up against it. And I really don't see any kind
- 40:44Speaker 1: of strategy that his team could even begin to think
- 40:47Speaker 1: about deploying that's going to end up with Chad Daybell
- 40:51Speaker 1: getting off. So Pryor is certainly looking forward towards that appeal.
- 40:54Speaker 2: 9.06 a.m.
- 40:58Speaker 1: Boyce introduces himself in his reading, The Charges to the Jurors.
- 41:02Speaker 1: He explains that the defendant never has to prove his
- 41:05Speaker 1: innocence and the guilty verdict must be beyond a reasonable doubt.
- 41:09Speaker 1: He tells them they must follow the instructions and not
- 41:12Speaker 1: discuss the case with others.
- 41:14Speaker 2: 9.09 a.m.
- 41:16Speaker 1: Boyce explains what voir dire is. Voir dire, a preliminary
- 41:20Speaker 1: examination of a witness or a juror by a judge
- 41:23Speaker 1: or counsel. 9.12 a.m. Boyce tells the jurors they may
- 41:27Speaker 1: be excused, and if they are, they should not be offended. 9.15 a.m.
- 41:33Speaker 1: Boyce asks the jury if serving for 8 to 10
- 41:36Speaker 1: weeks would create a hardship. Several jurors raise their red cards. 9.16 a.m.
- 41:42Speaker 1: First juror with a concern is a software developer at
- 41:45Speaker 1: a large company. He's worried his employment could be in
- 41:48Speaker 1: jeopardy and he could be punished if he is picked
- 41:51Speaker 1: for the jury. Blake asks if his concerns would be
- 41:54Speaker 1: a distraction. The man says it would be. Blake moves
- 41:58Speaker 1: to dismiss the juror. Pryor agrees and Boyce excuses the juror. 9.22 a.m.
- 42:04Speaker 1: Boyce says he's disappointed with the man's employer not accommodating
- 42:08Speaker 1: him for jury service and they are likely involved in
- 42:10Speaker 1: litigation all the time so they should understand the civic
- 42:14Speaker 1: duty of their employees. And when I managed a large
- 42:17Speaker 1: department here in Las Vegas at a casino, I was
- 42:20Speaker 1: always very receptive to anybody who had something like jury
- 42:23Speaker 1: duty lined up. I mean, look, what are you going
- 42:25Speaker 1: to do, right? Here's an idea. Staff your department correctly,
- 42:30Speaker 1: and then you can give your people time off. 9.23 a.m.
- 42:34Speaker 1: Next juror started a new job 12 days ago. He
- 42:37Speaker 1: said he discussed with his employer his jury service, but
- 42:40Speaker 1: they didn't give him much of a response. Blake motions
- 42:43Speaker 1: to have the juror removed for cause... Based on hardship,
- 42:46Speaker 1: Pryor agrees and Boyce dismisses the juror. 9.25 a.m. The
- 42:51Speaker 1: next juror is a teacher. Jury service would put her
- 42:54Speaker 1: out for the remainder of the school year during testing season.
- 42:58Speaker 1: She would have to go in on weekends to prepare
- 43:00Speaker 1: her plans for the substitute. She has other jobs too.
- 43:04Speaker 1: Blake motions to dismiss the juror. Pryor agrees. Boyce grants
- 43:08Speaker 1: the request. 9.29 a.m. The next juror has paid jury
- 43:12Speaker 1: leave through his employer. But it only covers two weeks.
- 43:16Speaker 1: Blake motions to have the juror removed. Pryor agrees. Boyce
- 43:19Speaker 1: dismisses the juror. 9.31 a.m. There are ten jurors left
- 43:24Speaker 1: in the group. Boyce asks them if they have a
- 43:26Speaker 1: knowledge of the case. And three raise their red cards.
- 43:30Speaker 1: It's crazy to think that anyone would know about this
- 43:32Speaker 1: case at this point. Considering how publicized it was, you
- 43:36Speaker 1: have to like be living under a rock. And even then,
- 43:38Speaker 1: you probably had a cell phone. So how the hell
- 43:41Speaker 1: don't you know about this case? But I guess there's
- 43:43Speaker 1: people out there that don't. 9.33 a.m. Boyce asks several
- 43:47Speaker 1: questions about whether the jurors know the attorneys, Daybell, or
- 43:51Speaker 1: if they have any other reasons why they can't give
- 43:54Speaker 1: the case their attention and be fair. Pryor asks for
- 43:57Speaker 1: the brief sidebar. Attorneys huddled with Boyce on side of
- 44:00Speaker 1: the courtroom. 9.39 a.m. Boyce is back on the bench
- 44:04Speaker 1: and has some questions for a juror about access to
- 44:07Speaker 1: social media. She has seen things pop up on her
- 44:10Speaker 1: feed about the case, but she hasn't read any further. 9.41 a.m.
- 44:15Speaker 1: Another juror has plane tickets for a friend's wedding in
- 44:18Speaker 1: Texas that would be during the trial. Prior moves to
- 44:21Speaker 1: have the juror dismiss. Boyce grants the dismissal. 9.43 a.m.
- 44:26Speaker 1: Many are asking why this new group of jurors was
- 44:29Speaker 1: brought in for a voir dire. I have reached out
- 44:32Speaker 1: to several people to look for clarification and will let
- 44:35Speaker 1: you know when I receive an answer. Other reporters in
- 44:38Speaker 1: the courtroom are also confused. 9.44 a.m. Blake now addresses
- 44:43Speaker 1: the remaining group of nine. She mentions the term brutal
- 44:46Speaker 1: honesty and how important it is to be completely honest
- 44:49Speaker 1: during the voir dire process. 9.48 a.m. Blake asks the
- 44:54Speaker 1: jurors if they will have concerns over graphic photos. One
- 44:57Speaker 1: juror asks if looking away or closing her eyes would
- 45:00Speaker 1: be acceptable. Blake asks further questions about the woman's concern.
- 45:04Speaker 1: She moves on to the airplane analogy and the importance
- 45:07Speaker 1: of landing the plane. 9.51 a.m. Blake talking about the
- 45:12Speaker 1: cheesy eggs her little boy wants every morning, the recipe, eggs, milk, cheese, salt,
- 45:17Speaker 1: and pepper. He wants it very specific. One juror says
- 45:20Speaker 1: her dad's cheesy eggs are the best. Many laugh. Blake
- 45:24Speaker 1: will compare this to the following the court's instructions exactly
- 45:27Speaker 1: as given by the judge.
- 45:28Speaker 2: 9.55 a.m.
- 45:31Speaker 1: Blake mentions the Kansas City Chiefs winning the Super Bowl
- 45:34Speaker 1: this year and asks some jurors if everyone would get
- 45:37Speaker 1: a ring. They agree everyone should get the ring. She
- 45:41Speaker 1: compares this to conspiracy regardless of the level of involvement
- 45:45Speaker 1: all participated. 9.58 a.m. Blake asks the jurors if any
- 45:50Speaker 1: of them have come in with preconceived notions about what
- 45:53Speaker 1: evidence should be presented. None of them raise their cards.
- 45:56Speaker 1: Pryor will now conduct Vore Dyer for the defense. And
- 45:59Speaker 1: as you can see, the process is just moving along
- 46:02Speaker 1: at a great clip. And that bodes well moving forward
- 46:06Speaker 1: for this trial. 10.03 a.m. Pryor asks if anyone believes
- 46:11Speaker 1: Chad needs to testify to prove that he's innocent. None
- 46:14Speaker 1: of them raise their cards. Pryor explains Chad doesn't need
- 46:17Speaker 1: to present any facts or evidence and the jury can't
- 46:21Speaker 1: hold that against him. And a quick update on why
- 46:25Speaker 1: the new group was brought in this morning. Nate Eaton
- 46:28Speaker 1: learned that it's common to go above the number and
- 46:31Speaker 1: add additional jurors. It's been several days since the first
- 46:34Speaker 1: group was brought in. If there was an issue with
- 46:37Speaker 1: anyone in the previous group and jurors needed to be dismissed,
- 46:40Speaker 1: maybe they went home and researched the case, etc. The
- 46:43Speaker 1: number could drop below 50, causing a problem before a
- 46:46Speaker 1: peremptory strikes. If several members of this group pass through today,
- 46:50Speaker 1: Boyce may feel comfortable stopping. I guess we'll see. And
- 46:53Speaker 1: that's what I was talking about a little bit earlier.
- 46:56Speaker 1: When you have this kind of case, especially with this
- 46:59Speaker 1: kind of publicity, you want to make sure that you
- 47:02Speaker 1: go above and beyond. That way there's no issues that
- 47:05Speaker 1: pop up halfway through that you have to address, right? Oh,
- 47:09Speaker 1: we're going to get to preemptory and then next week
- 47:11Speaker 1: three jurors don't show up and now you're screwed. 10.09 a.m.
- 47:16Speaker 1: Pryor mentions his beautiful girlfriend and all of their future plans.
- 47:20Speaker 1: He asks the jurors if just because they talk about
- 47:23Speaker 1: their future... Does that mean that they have an agreement
- 47:25Speaker 1: to get married? Jurors say no. Pryor goes on to
- 47:29Speaker 1: talk about graphic photos that will hurt their hearts. They
- 47:32Speaker 1: hurt my heart. I look at these pictures and it
- 47:35Speaker 1: hurts my heart. 10.12 a.m. Pryor asks if jurors agree
- 47:40Speaker 1: the photos are being shown to sensationalize, to disagree and
- 47:44Speaker 1: say they are being shown because they are evidence. Pryor
- 47:47Speaker 1: follows up by explaining that pictures don't automatically mean Chad
- 47:51Speaker 1: is guilty.
- 47:51Speaker 2: 10.14 a.m.
- 47:54Speaker 1: Prior wraps up, an individual voir dire will commence. Boyce says,
- 47:59Speaker 1: we will do this until 10.30ish before we have a
- 48:01Speaker 1: morning break. 10.17am, first juror of the group takes her seat.
- 48:07Speaker 1: The lady has since moved from Ada County to Canyon County.
- 48:10Speaker 1: She no longer lives here, so Boyce says she needs
- 48:13Speaker 1: to be excused. She leaves. 10.20am, next juror takes her seat.
- 48:18Speaker 1: Ingrid Beatty asks the woman about an answer to her
- 48:21Speaker 1: questionnaire where she said, that there should be a higher
- 48:25Speaker 1: burden of proof beyond a reasonable doubt. She says she
- 48:28Speaker 1: could follow the judge's instructions. Pryor has no questions. Boyce
- 48:32Speaker 1: now asking about the juror's view on the death penalty. 10.23 a.m.
- 48:37Speaker 1: The juror strongly opposes the death penalty and says she
- 48:40Speaker 1: will not vote for it. Beatty thanks the woman for
- 48:43Speaker 1: her honesty. The woman says she will not impose the
- 48:45Speaker 1: death penalty under any circumstances. Beatty moves to excuse the juror.
- 48:50Speaker 1: Pryor has follow-up questions. 10.26 a.m. Boyce asks clarifying questions
- 48:56Speaker 1: on the death penalty before getting the request to have
- 48:59Speaker 1: her dismissed. The juror leaves. 10.29 a.m. The next juror
- 49:04Speaker 1: is being summoned to the courtroom, just glanced outside, and
- 49:08Speaker 1: it's snowing in Boise. 10.31 a.m. Next juror takes her seat.
- 49:13Speaker 1: Rob Wood asks the lady if she has any concerns
- 49:15Speaker 1: about child care, if chosen to serve. The lady says
- 49:19Speaker 1: that she does not. Pryor has no questions. Boyce now
- 49:22Speaker 1: asking about the death penalty. Woman opposes the death penalty
- 49:27Speaker 1: but feels that she could impose it based on the facts, law,
- 49:31Speaker 1: and instructions given by the judge. State has no further.
- 49:34Speaker 1: Neither does defense. Boyce advances the juror. She's number 53. 10.35 a.m.
- 49:41Speaker 1: Next juror walks in. Rocky Wixom asks her about her
- 49:45Speaker 1: knowledge of the case. She says she mainly remembers the
- 49:47Speaker 1: billboards when the kids went missing. The lady does not
- 49:51Speaker 1: watch the news. She doesn't know where the crimes occurred
- 49:54Speaker 1: and says she has not firmed any opinions about the case.
- 49:58Speaker 2: 10.38 a.m.
- 49:59Speaker 1: The lady is a mom and asked about being away
- 50:02Speaker 1: from her kids. She doesn't consider it a big hardship,
- 50:04Speaker 1: but says there will always be concerns. She's a mom.
- 50:09Speaker 1: Wixom has no further questions. Pryor asks some questions about
- 50:12Speaker 1: the woman's media consumption. Wixom asks for a sidebar with
- 50:16Speaker 1: the judge. White noise is played. 1044 AM. Boyce returns
- 50:20Speaker 1: to the bench. We are taking a break and will
- 50:24Speaker 1: be back in 20 minutes. 1120 AM. We're back in
- 50:28Speaker 1: the courtroom. After an extended break, Boyce picks up with
- 50:31Speaker 1: the juror and asks her about the death penalty. 1122 AM.
- 50:36Speaker 1: She is generally opposed to the death penalty, but Believed
- 50:39Speaker 1: she could put aside her feelings and follow court instruction.
- 50:42Speaker 1: Prosecution has no questions. Defense doesn't either. Boyce advances this
- 50:47Speaker 1: juror forward. She's number 54. 11.25 a.m. Next juror takes
- 50:52Speaker 1: her seat. Boyce asks her how she's feeling about the situation.
- 50:56Speaker 1: The lady says she has panic attacks and admits she
- 50:59Speaker 1: has seen news about the story. She's also watched Dateline.
- 51:05Speaker 2: 11.27 a.m.
- 51:05Speaker 1: Betty questions the juror about what she knows about the case.
- 51:08Speaker 1: There's three people dead and they found the bodies in Mr.
- 51:11Speaker 1: Daybell's backyard in Rexburg. She responds. She also watched the
- 51:15Speaker 1: 48 hours and says she has formed an opinion that
- 51:18Speaker 1: Daybell is guilty.
- 51:20Speaker 2: 1128 AM.
- 51:21Speaker 1: Beatty moves to excuse the juror. Pryor agrees. Boyce dismisses
- 51:25Speaker 1: the juror. The next juror will be brought into the courtroom.
- 51:30Speaker 1: 1129 AM. The juror takes his seat and Wood begins
- 51:33Speaker 1: questioning him about his media consumption on the case. He
- 51:36Speaker 1: has seen local news stories. but hasn't researched the case.
- 51:39Speaker 1: Says he knows that there were deaths, but he doesn't
- 51:42Speaker 1: know the facts based on what he's seen in the media.
- 51:45Speaker 1: He has no opinions on the case.
- 51:48Speaker 2: 11.33 a.m.
- 51:48Speaker 1: While the man says he doesn't have an opinion on
- 51:50Speaker 1: the case, he says that his wife does. He commits
- 51:53Speaker 1: to not talk about the trial with his wife. Wood
- 51:56Speaker 1: has no more questions. Pryor begins Vor Dyer. He is
- 51:59Speaker 1: concerned that the juror's wife has a strong opinion on
- 52:02Speaker 1: the case and that that could affect the juror.
- 52:04Speaker 2: 11.37 a.m.
- 52:06Speaker 1: Pryor has no further questions. Boyce will now discuss the
- 52:09Speaker 1: death penalty with the juror. He supports the death penalty,
- 52:12Speaker 1: but will follow the facts, law, and instructions given to him.
- 52:17Speaker 1: 1140 a.m. State has no questions about the death penalty
- 52:20Speaker 1: for the man. Pryor asks clarifying questions. Boyce advances the
- 52:24Speaker 1: juror to the pool. He's number 55. 1142 a.m. A
- 52:29Speaker 1: new juror takes his seat. No questions about hardship or bias.
- 52:33Speaker 1: We move straight to death penalty questions. The juror opposes
- 52:37Speaker 1: the death penalty, but says he can put aside his
- 52:40Speaker 1: feelings and follow instructions given to him in the case.
- 52:43Speaker 1: 1145 a.m. Prosecutors and defense have no questions for the man.
- 52:48Speaker 1: Juror 56 advances. 1146 a.m. Juror takes her seat. Prosecutors
- 52:55Speaker 1: have no questions for her, but Pryor wants to speak
- 52:57Speaker 1: with the juror outside of public view. Boyce asks for
- 53:00Speaker 1: a quick sidebar. White noise plays.
- 53:02Speaker 2: 1148 a.m.
- 53:05Speaker 1: During the sidebar, Chad Daybell leans over and reviews the
- 53:08Speaker 1: juror's questionnaire on the laptop screen. 11.50 a.m. Boyce is
- 53:13Speaker 1: back on the bench and the attorneys are at their tables.
- 53:16Speaker 1: There are private matters with the remaining jurors that will
- 53:19Speaker 1: be discussed outside the view of the public. We are
- 53:22Speaker 1: leaving the courtroom. We'll resume updates when we're back inside
- 53:25Speaker 1: the courtroom.
- 53:25Speaker 2: 12.29.
- 53:27Speaker 1: Back in the courtroom. There are five who made it
- 53:29Speaker 1: to the panel. Two men, three women.
- 53:31Speaker 2: 12.30 p.m.
- 53:33Speaker 1: State passes the group for cause. Defense agrees. With these
- 53:37Speaker 1: five jurors, we have 58 in the pool. Boyce says
- 53:40Speaker 1: jurors will likely return Monday morning. That's when preemptory challenges
- 53:44Speaker 1: would occur. 12.31 p.m. Boyce tells the jurors to avoid
- 53:48Speaker 1: researching the case and advises them not to watch the news. 12.33 p.m. Correction,
- 53:54Speaker 1: we have 57 jurors, not 58. One of the jurors
- 53:57Speaker 1: who were originally advanced did not come back with this group,
- 54:00Speaker 1: so it's 57 in the pool. 12.40 p.m. Boyce and
- 54:04Speaker 1: the attorneys are back in the courtroom. The judge says
- 54:07Speaker 1: enough jurors have been secured for preemptory challenges. That will
- 54:11Speaker 1: happen at 10 a.m. on Monday, and court is dismissed
- 54:14Speaker 1: for the day. We'll recap everything tonight on Courtroom Insider.
- 54:18Speaker 1: All right, so that's where we stand as far as
- 54:21Speaker 1: Chad Daybell and the jury and getting things underway starting Monday.
- 54:25Speaker 1: So now what's going to happen is both sides are
- 54:28Speaker 1: going to have a chance to challenge jurors and try
- 54:30Speaker 1: to get the jury shaped in an image that they
- 54:33Speaker 1: feel is going to best help their client. So we'll
- 54:35Speaker 1: see Monday how successful they are when it comes to
- 54:38Speaker 1: getting jurors removed or having the jury stacked in their favor.
- 54:42Speaker 1: Either way, we'll be here every step of the way,
- 54:45Speaker 1: following along as the state of Idaho pursues justice against
- 54:49Speaker 1: the accused child and wife killer, Chad Daybell. All of
- 54:53Speaker 1: the information that goes with this episode can be found
- 54:56Speaker 1: in the description box.