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The Hidden Connection between Gut and Burnout in High Achievers with Ekat | Holistic Pharmacy Podcast · Pharmacy Podcast Network

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Speaker 1: You are listening to the global network of podcasters dedicated
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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Pharmacy podcast Network.
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Speaker 3: Hello, and welcome to the Holistic Pharmacy Podcast. I'm your host,
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Speaker 3: Marina books Of and I'm a functional medicine pharmacist in
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Speaker 3: New York. I'm also a clinical herbalist and an integrative
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Speaker 3: health coach specializing in mindfulness and empowerment. I'm on a
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Speaker 3: mission to transform the way we approach healthcare by bridging
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Speaker 3: the wisdom of traditional medicine with modern practice, and in
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Speaker 3: this podcast, I will be highlighting guests who do just that.
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Speaker 3: I'm constantly inspired by them and I know you will
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Speaker 3: be as well. Hello everybody, Welcome back to Holistic Pharmacy Podcasts.
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Speaker 3: I have yet another special guest, as I always do
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Speaker 3: for you this week, and this is another person that
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Speaker 3: I met at an actual in person conference. So her
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Speaker 3: name is Ecat and she's a nutritional therapy practitioner, restorative
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Speaker 3: wellness practitioner, and board certified integrated nutrition health coach who
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Speaker 3: helps busy, high achieving professionals reclaim their health so their
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Speaker 3: body can keep up with their ambition.
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Speaker 2: Through her virtual practice. Healthfully ecat.
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Speaker 3: She specializes in helping women overcome persistent digestive issues, hormonal imbalances,
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Speaker 3: and chronic fatigue using functional lab testing, personalized nutrition, and
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Speaker 3: holistic lifestyle strategies. So, without further ado, welcome to the show.
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Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Marina, thank you for having me.
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Speaker 1: And it was so nice to meet you in real life,
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Speaker 1: because nowadays I feel like most connections are happening virtually exactly.
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's always so fun and so different and so
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Speaker 3: special to meet everybody face to face, but hey, zoom
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Speaker 3: and video calls are great too, because we get to
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Speaker 3: connect in real time from different places in the world.
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Speaker 2: So it does add that convenience.
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Speaker 3: So kat I start off the show asking everybody to
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Speaker 3: talk a little bit about their background and how they.
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Speaker 2: Came to do this work.
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Speaker 1: Yes, of course, so I spent over sixteen years on
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Speaker 1: Wall Street in a very very high.
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Speaker 2: Pressure environment, and just like any young.
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Speaker 1: Ambitious professional, I was burning the candle on both ends.
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Speaker 1: So I think like four hour sleep, three venti coffees
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Speaker 1: a day, and you know, barely having time to eat
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Speaker 1: or eating on the go, eating like protein bars and
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Speaker 1: then thinking that's healthy, and then gradually that's really started
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Speaker 1: the chipping away at me. I started having a lot
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Speaker 1: of digestive issues. I had severe cistic acne along my
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Speaker 1: jawline the face. It was just like really kind of
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Speaker 1: painful to watch. And at the time I started going
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Speaker 1: to doctors just like what people usually do, gas andrologists, dermatologists,
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Speaker 1: and everybody said, your labs look normal, you're young, you're fine.
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Speaker 1: Are you sure it's not just in your head?
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Speaker 2: And that really frustrated me because nobody really gave me answers.
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Speaker 1: And at that time, around twenty thirteen is really when
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Speaker 1: the functional medicine field started really gaining traction and becoming popular,
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Speaker 1: and your tests were coming out, and as someone who
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Speaker 1: is known to be very persistent, I kept looking for answers,
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Speaker 1: knocking on doors, and I finally managed to find a
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Speaker 1: functional practice that actually helped me. The interesting thing there
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Speaker 1: was that they always were asking why certain symptoms are occurring.
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Speaker 1: They weren't just trying to give me a medication or
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Speaker 1: to tell me that my labs are normal. We ran
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Speaker 1: sensitivity testing. It had just come to the market, and
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Speaker 1: that's really where things started for me. I started being
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Speaker 1: very interested in the field, and later I got certifications
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Speaker 1: as an integrated nutrition health coach, restorative health practitioner, and.
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Speaker 2: Then nutritional therapy practitioner.
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Speaker 1: So it really started as looking for answers for myself
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Speaker 1: and then just seeking better care. And I'm happy to
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Speaker 1: report that the cistic acne was gone, my digestive issues resolved,
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Speaker 1: and in my thirties, I felt a lot better than
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Speaker 1: I felt in my twenties. So that's kind of really
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Speaker 1: where it started around twenty thirteen.
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Speaker 3: Wow, I feel like you and I have very similar stories,
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Speaker 3: and for me, I feel like it was even more
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Speaker 3: upsetting that I was trained in healthcare and I still
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Speaker 3: felt like the system was failing me everywhere I turned,
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Speaker 3: and nobody really had the answers. And really the gut
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Speaker 3: and the skin is where we tend to see some
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Speaker 3: of the first symptoms. So I'm glad that you're bringing
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Speaker 3: that up. And it's really a sign of something going
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Speaker 3: on internally, even if it may feel like, oh, this
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Speaker 3: is an external issue, maybe the skin or maybe even
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Speaker 3: vanity right wanting to look nice, But it's all tied
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Speaker 3: together and there's a lot of different approaches. So sounds
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Speaker 3: like you found really great solutions in the functional medicine field,
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Speaker 3: and so I'm curious, as somebody who describes herself as
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Speaker 3: an ambitious professional, what do you think it is it
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Speaker 3: about the current day and age and society and expectations
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Speaker 3: and standards that has women pursue these fields. And then
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Speaker 3: you know people like yourself that are really interested in
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Speaker 3: taking care of their health. You almost have to find
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Speaker 3: a whole new career now and educate yourself more than
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Speaker 3: some of these other professionals so you can figure out
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Speaker 3: what's going on.
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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean it's true my background, so I'm
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Speaker 1: actually from Europe, from Bulgaria, and in Europe, the way
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Speaker 1: health care is and the way lifestyle generally is, and
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Speaker 1: I'm sure you've been to Europe to also observe that is,
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Speaker 1: people focus a lot on you know, taking a break
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Speaker 1: if you're tired or sleeping, the quality of the food
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Speaker 1: they're eating. Like you can think about tomatoes and Italy
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Speaker 1: compare them to the once in New York. They have
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Speaker 1: like nothing in common. So just that European background really
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Speaker 1: helped me to think about like where my health was
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Speaker 1: really heading and how it's really the foundation of.
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Speaker 2: Everything else I do.
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Speaker 1: And there is something like people think that they can
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Speaker 1: be above their health but really, when their health suffers,
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Speaker 1: that's the only thing they can think about. I really
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Speaker 1: think it is the great equalizer in a sense for
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Speaker 1: ambitious professionals, which is what really turned my attention to this.
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Speaker 1: But it is normal for all of us to want
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Speaker 1: to pursue ambitious careers because we want to really prove ourselves,
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Speaker 1: and we more often think as ambitious professionals that we
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Speaker 1: are the exception rather than the role, that more coffee
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Speaker 1: and willpower is actually going to solve our problem. But
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Speaker 1: at some point, your body just overtakes and breaks and
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Speaker 1: wants its rest and good food and sleep.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, for sure, I feel like we're lacking some of
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Speaker 3: the education around basic foundational aspects of lifestyle that are
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Speaker 3: the pillars of health, and we're just thinking and really
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Speaker 3: taught that, Okay, this is what you need to focus on,
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Speaker 3: this is what you need to prioritize. But as you said,
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Speaker 3: when there's a fork in the road, when there is
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Speaker 3: an obstacle, and when there is a challenge you have
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Speaker 3: to understand, then maybe priorities need to be shifted, And
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Speaker 3: especially when it's your health and you're physically not able
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Speaker 3: to perform the way that you're wanting to and you
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Speaker 3: really need to go deeper and understand what that is.
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Speaker 3: And in my opinion, it's not always about taking the
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Speaker 3: next best supplement or even natural health product or an
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Speaker 3: herb right and definitely not a pill. So there's going
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Speaker 3: to be complexity and overcoming and uncovering what the root
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Speaker 3: causes are. And since we mentioned the gut, there's this
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Speaker 3: saying that disease begins in the gut and SODA's health.
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Speaker 2: So what can you tell us.
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Speaker 3: About maybe something that people don't know about in terms
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Speaker 3: they may be experiencing that are linked to the gut.
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Speaker 1: Yes, of course, I often say that the gut is
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Speaker 1: not like Las Vegas. What happens in the gut doesn't
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Speaker 1: stay just in the gut. It affects all body systems.
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Speaker 1: So we already spoke about the acne a little bit.
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Speaker 1: So acne is often driven by food sensitivities, and these
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Speaker 1: are very different than food allergies, which cause something called
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Speaker 1: leaky guts. And I'm sure everyone in the audience has
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Speaker 1: heard about it, because now the term is very popularized,
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Speaker 1: which basically causes the villi in your intestine, which are
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Speaker 1: these small like tentacles. It almost looks like a carpet
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Speaker 1: that they end up having holes in them and food
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Speaker 1: passes through them and ends up triggering the immune system,
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Speaker 1: and that usually shows up in the skin. It could
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Speaker 1: be acne, it could be sorry as it could be
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Speaker 1: eczema as well, and that really caused a lot of
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Speaker 1: upset for women who end up buying these expensive creams
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Speaker 1: from Sephora and think that the solution is external or
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Speaker 1: topical rather than really looking at the gut. So that
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Speaker 1: is more from like vanity perspective. Another thing that is
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Speaker 1: really popular, I guess with busy professionals is acid reflux
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Speaker 1: GIRD or just acid that originates in the stomach, and
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Speaker 1: most people actually think it's due to a really high
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Speaker 1: stomach acid, so they can end up getting over the
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Speaker 1: counterpills to suppress it.
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Speaker 2: I'm sure you're familiar with some.
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Speaker 1: Of them, but that's actually caused by very low stomach
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Speaker 1: acid or by infection with Helicobacter pylori or H. Pylori,
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Speaker 1: which is the bacteria that ends up burrowing itself in
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Speaker 1: the stomach, lining and suppressing the parietal cell that cells
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Speaker 1: that actually produce stomach acid. So this low stomach acid
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Speaker 1: doesn't help acidify the food to the level in which
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Speaker 1: it can pass through the next stage of the digestion,
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Speaker 1: and it ends up regurgitating in the stomach and causing
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Speaker 1: a lot of unpleasant symptoms like burping, feeling of like
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Speaker 1: the food coming up your esophagus and burning you. And
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Speaker 1: that is super common because nowadays our lives are extremely
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Speaker 1: stressful and stress also suppresses that stomach acid production.
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Speaker 2: And then with the.
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Speaker 1: Rise of gop once and just generally like people not
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Speaker 1: moving enough, constipation is something that is super common. A
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Speaker 1: lot of people think that if they go to the
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Speaker 1: bathroom once in three days, they're regular, but the definition
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Speaker 1: of not being constipated is one to three times a day,
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Speaker 1: and that doesn't happen. It's usually a motility issues with
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Speaker 1: which the gop ones usually slow it down slow gastric emptying,
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Speaker 1: so that ends up in constipation.
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Speaker 2: And also a lot of the foods that.
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Speaker 1: We eat, the way we eat, we eat in a hurry.
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Speaker 1: We don't sit down, We just like shove food down
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Speaker 1: our throats. I think most people finish their dinner in
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Speaker 1: like five minutes while looking at their phone. These are
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Speaker 1: like really some of the most common and then obviously
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Speaker 1: the opposite loose tools diarrhea, which can be caused by
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Speaker 1: food sensitivity, it can be caused.
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Speaker 2: By a lingering parasite.
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Speaker 1: We can talk more about parasites as well, which cause
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Speaker 1: like an entirely different set of symptoms, but.
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Speaker 2: Also immune challenges.
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Speaker 1: So if your gut is not functioning well, Like speaking
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Speaker 1: from my experience, I used to get so many sinus
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Speaker 1: infections and so many eye infections, and I would go
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Speaker 1: to the doctor, go to the pharmacy, get antibiotics every
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Speaker 1: single time. But at some point it became unsustainable because
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Speaker 1: we can become resistant to those antibiotics, and they also
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Speaker 1: obliterate all the good and the bad bacteria in our body.
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Speaker 1: So our gut basically becomes decimated.
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Speaker 2: And so with.
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Speaker 1: Some of those immune challenges, usually if we hear the gut,
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Speaker 1: because about seventy to eighty percent of gold is in
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Speaker 1: the gut, which is our immunity, we can really help
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Speaker 1: support it and really avoid some of those recurrent infections
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Speaker 1: that happen. I mean, that's like a really long answer.
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Speaker 1: There's a lot more, but I don't want to stay
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Speaker 1: for like I don't know, half an hour.
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Speaker 2: This yeah, makes sense.
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Speaker 3: You brought up so many good points about how there's
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Speaker 3: these interconnections between the gut and the immune system, and
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Speaker 3: then that can lead to information that really presents anywhere.
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Speaker 2: And on the other end of the.
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Speaker 3: Spectrum, you can have persistent, latent or chronic infections caused
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Speaker 3: by different organisms. So your immune system can be out
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Speaker 3: of balance on either side of that, and you can
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Speaker 3: be suffering essentially from either hyper inflammation or underperforming scanning
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Speaker 3: and surveillance. And so we want to definitely make sure
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Speaker 3: that we're not over medicating with antibiotics or with immune
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Speaker 3: suppressants for every single thing that the immune system has
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Speaker 3: to deal with, we really have to get to the
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Speaker 3: root cause. So you did mention parasites, and I think
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Speaker 3: it's kind of a fun topic to talk about because
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Speaker 3: I feel like a lot in the conventional community almost
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Speaker 3: like dismiss it and roll their eyes at it. And
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Speaker 3: then there's a lot of people in the more holistic
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Speaker 3: communities that think everybody has parasites and everybody needs to
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Speaker 3: treat them. So I'm curious what your experience has been
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Speaker 3: with that.
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean a lot of people think that you
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Speaker 1: can only get parasites in third work countries when you're
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Speaker 1: drinking some super shady water. But parasites are super comm
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Speaker 1: super common in like even the developed world, Like if
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Speaker 1: you go to a restaurant, they haven't washed the glass
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Speaker 1: as well, or they haven't washed their hands after they've
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Speaker 1: gone to the bathroom.
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Speaker 2: They can astaminate your food, not just.
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Speaker 1: With like like when everybody says paradise, everybody thinks about
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Speaker 1: these like worms that are crawling, but it can really
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Speaker 1: be microscopic eggs that you actually cannot see and and
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Speaker 1: so you can get infected and then usually people start
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Speaker 1: having loose tools or vomiting. This is like a more
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Speaker 1: severe acute infection such as city ficil or ecoli.
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Speaker 2: We've all heard these every year on the news.
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Speaker 1: There is some contamination, but there are also lets your
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Speaker 1: known ones to general publics such as blasod Society as
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Speaker 1: hominis uh and then maybe of rigilis, and you can
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Speaker 1: be infected with those for years. Some of the all
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Speaker 1: mark signs are grinding your teeth at night, super common
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Speaker 1: itching in like more intimate areas of your body. Usually
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Speaker 1: the symptoms become more acute during the full moon, so
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Speaker 1: you can look up when the next full moon is
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Speaker 1: and if you're experiencing all these really exciting symptoms. They're
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Speaker 1: usually tied to parasites because that's when they tend to
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Speaker 1: be very active and move and also reproduce. Each parasite
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Speaker 1: can lay about two to three hundred thousand eggs. I
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Speaker 1: know it sounds gross, but the good news is on
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Speaker 1: the other hand that we have amazing tests. We have
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Speaker 1: DNA based tool tests where we can test you and
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Speaker 1: find out if we.
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Speaker 2: Can detect them.
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Speaker 1: They're very difficult to catch, but sometimes we do shed
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Speaker 1: them in the stool. Now a lot of people are like, oh,
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Speaker 1: I'm just going to go to my doctor and they're
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Speaker 1: going to run a stool test and I'm going to
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Speaker 1: find out. But doctors actually don't run on advanced DNA
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Speaker 1: PCR based tool testing. They run what is called microscopic
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Speaker 1: tests that basically take a small sample of the stool
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Speaker 1: and send it to a lab in like five to
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Speaker 1: seven days, and then they take that small sample, they magnify,
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Speaker 1: they look through it under a microscope. The issue with
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Speaker 1: that is that by the time it which is the lab,
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Speaker 1: it usually dies. So the fragments, the DNA based fragments
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Speaker 1: are just like they don't have technology to look at them.
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Speaker 1: So they're like, oh, you don't have paradise. The symptoms
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Speaker 1: are just in your head. Your labs are normal like
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Speaker 1: the usual talk. And with the DNA based tool test,
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Speaker 1: we can actually see whether we have detected shed fragments
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Speaker 1: of the DNA in your stool. And these can be
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Speaker 1: you know, usually like forms that you can also pick
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Speaker 1: them up from your pets. If you kiss your cat
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Speaker 1: on the mouth, I know it's cute, but I'm sorry
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Speaker 1: if you're probably going to get some sort of parasite
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Speaker 1: because you don't know where your cat goes.
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Speaker 2: Same with the dog.
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Speaker 1: Putting your dog in your bed cute, I know, But
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Speaker 1: same thing with the parasites, and they can be very small.
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Speaker 1: So it's I am on the spectrum that there are
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Speaker 1: parasites in developed world. We should do a DNA based
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Speaker 1: tool sample at least once a year, think of it
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Speaker 1: like your annual health exam, and then see if we
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Speaker 1: have some of those. For me, killing some of those
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Speaker 1: parasites really helped. I had persistent bloating, it stopped. I
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Speaker 1: had also alternating consistency of the stool that also changed
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Speaker 1: for the better. So it is definitely something that exists.
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Speaker 1: It's testable, and we have a way to manage it
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Speaker 1: and verbs work much better than antibiotics, and I'm sure
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Speaker 1: you can agree with that as.
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Speaker 3: An urbalist, Yes, definitely, So I appreciate you saying there
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Speaker 3: might be a lot of false negatives on the standard tests,
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Speaker 3: and we do need to get a little bit more
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Speaker 3: specific in advanced in our testing and really just be
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Speaker 3: proactive too, So like you said, make it part of
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Speaker 3: your physical annual exam and really understand what's going on,
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Speaker 3: because we're finding out more and more evidence about how
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Speaker 3: important the microbiome is, which is why it's so important,
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Speaker 3: like we said before, to avoid unnecessary antibiotic ues because
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Speaker 3: it really sometimes causes more harm than good in certain cases,
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Speaker 3: which is why I'm glad that you're mentioning herbs and
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Speaker 3: that could be something to treat overgrowths and pathogens that
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Speaker 3: have less side effects. Now, when we are using herbs,
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Speaker 3: do you have any tips about the frequency or the
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Speaker 3: duration of therapy and what kind of herbs that you
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Speaker 3: would recommend.
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Speaker 1: So, first of all, it depends what kind of parazide
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Speaker 1: it is, if it's a nematode or a single cell parazide.
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Speaker 1: So with the nematodes, usually mimosapurrika is very helpful. And
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Speaker 1: I mean there's like a specific brand as well that
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Speaker 1: really has most of these supplements, and then with the
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Speaker 1: other ones we can use different blends of herbs. But
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Speaker 1: it's just really important to get tested rather than just
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Speaker 1: taking random supplements because you think you have something and sometimes,
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Speaker 1: you know, we may need to test multiple times in
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Speaker 1: order to really catch it on its on its way
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Speaker 1: to to transit. I do know that there's like a
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Speaker 1: lot out there in terms of you know, you go
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Speaker 1: on Instagram and everybody's saying take this one pill and
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Speaker 1: you're gonna kill all your parasites and and you know,
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Speaker 1: do this thing, and.
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Speaker 2: A lot of people are trying to di why their health.
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Speaker 2: So the reason why.
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Speaker 1: Coaches like myself exist is because we are trying to
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Speaker 1: coach you through the right process in the right order
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Speaker 1: to kill these things.
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Speaker 2: Because if you have H.
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Speaker 1: Pylori and also parasites, we're not gonna start with the parasites,
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Speaker 1: for we're going to start north to south, so Hperlori,
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Speaker 1: which is in the stomach first, and then the parasites,
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Speaker 1: because if we don't ensure you have sufficient stomach acids,
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Speaker 1: the parasites are just going to keep coming back. So
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Speaker 1: that's why it's important to not just like trust everything
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Speaker 1: you read online and to really get the help of
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Speaker 1: a qualified practitioner.
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I completely agree.
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Speaker 3: There's a lot of good information there, but it doesn't
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Speaker 3: apply to everybody, and we do need the individual relevant
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Speaker 3: approaches to health and with herbs, it's very important to,
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Speaker 3: like you said, look at the life cycle, look at
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Speaker 3: the stage, look at the priorities that we've mentioned before,
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Speaker 3: and see what needs to be done for a second
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Speaker 3: and third and then any other tips around like frequency,
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Speaker 3: because you know, people are used to taking antibiotics for
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Speaker 3: a week, maybe ten days, maybe fourteen days. How long
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Speaker 3: would somebody be on an herbal protocol for something like this,
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Speaker 3: So I usually you do three months for the herbs.
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Speaker 3: That's kind of and then we retest.
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Speaker 1: The important thing with killing parasites or east for example,
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Speaker 1: we haven't spoken about that yet, is that in the
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Speaker 1: process of killing them, they're going to be releasing toxins
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Speaker 1: because they don't like to be killed, so you know,
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Speaker 1: they want, just like a last crime survival, let me
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Speaker 1: just release a bunch of toxins and like you know,
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Speaker 1: attack the host. So it's incredibly important to also use
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Speaker 1: something called binders. Activated charco is a popular binder and
22:34
Speaker 1: a few others while we are killing them for these
22:38
Speaker 1: three months. And of course anti parasite diet is incredibly
22:42
Speaker 1: important as well, so that we don't continue to feed
22:46
Speaker 1: them and starve them as well.
22:49
Speaker 3: Yes, since you mentioned candida or yeast, could you talk
22:52
Speaker 3: about any differences or similarities and the dietary approaches for
22:55
Speaker 3: these things.
22:57
Speaker 2: Yeah.
22:57
Speaker 1: So, just like parasites can diet, it is super difficult
23:01
Speaker 1: to catch and difficult to eradicate.
23:04
Speaker 2: And most people.
23:05
Speaker 1: Think, oh, I'm just gonna go on anti fungals for
23:08
Speaker 1: two weeks.
23:10
Speaker 2: Not a good idea.
23:11
Speaker 1: First of all, your east is gonna come back with dungeons,
23:14
Speaker 1: and second of all, anti fungals are really taxing on
23:18
Speaker 1: the liver.
23:19
Speaker 2: So with anti fungals we do the diet.
23:22
Speaker 1: It's similar to the anti parasitic diet, so no dairy,
23:26
Speaker 1: no gluten, limited starches because they usually feed East. And
23:32
Speaker 1: then also we use herbals such as caprilla acid and
23:37
Speaker 1: others like tinctures as well can be used to.
23:41
Speaker 2: Kill the east.
23:42
Speaker 1: The protocols as well is about three months. And the
23:45
Speaker 1: interesting thing about east is almost everyone has it by
23:49
Speaker 1: the way, and if you have cravings for sugar, that's
23:53
Speaker 1: just your east wanting to multiply in your body. So
23:57
Speaker 1: if you're like someone that cannot last with a piece
24:00
Speaker 1: of chocolate for like an hour, you most likely have
24:03
Speaker 1: significant amounts of east in your body. It can really
24:06
Speaker 1: drive you crazy to the point where you feel like
24:10
Speaker 1: you can all survive without like sugar. And if you
24:14
Speaker 1: drink wine it can also or wine or other types
24:16
Speaker 1: of alcohol, it makes you also very cloudy and almost
24:20
Speaker 1: like drunk, even from like half a glass of wine,
24:23
Speaker 1: because wine usually contains a lot of east itself as well,
24:29
Speaker 1: and also the sugar from the alcohol feeds it too,
24:32
Speaker 1: So it's an interesting topic. I have written quite a
24:35
Speaker 1: bit on it on my blog. And because people only
24:39
Speaker 1: think about UTIs when they think about east, but it
24:43
Speaker 1: can really become systemic and spread even to places like
24:46
Speaker 1: your eyes, so it's very important to check again every year.
24:52
Speaker 3: Wow makes sense, So I am wondering if you could
24:56
Speaker 3: talk about how stressly hormones play to this picture of
25:03
Speaker 3: gut health, including with things like opportunistic infection, yeast and
25:07
Speaker 3: things like that, because sometimes they do start to strike
25:11
Speaker 3: at certain times and transitions in life when our hormones
25:15
Speaker 3: are changing.
25:15
Speaker 2: So if you can talk about all of that, I
25:17
Speaker 2: think that'd be interesting. Yeah.
25:20
Speaker 1: So with stress, you know, it really suppresses our immune system.
25:25
Speaker 1: I think we all know that. But also when we're
25:29
Speaker 1: under stress, we end up in fight.
25:31
Speaker 2: Or flight mode.
25:33
Speaker 1: And that is when, you know, if we imagine we're
25:36
Speaker 1: in a jungle, you know, we're just we just feel
25:39
Speaker 1: like we're running away from a tiger that's trying to
25:41
Speaker 1: kill us. And the tiger can be an email from
25:44
Speaker 1: your boss, it can be you know, your child gets sick.
25:48
Speaker 1: It can be various stressors. But our body doesn't distinguish
25:53
Speaker 1: between the email from the boss and tiger, you know,
25:57
Speaker 1: and you're running away from it in the jungle. So
26:01
Speaker 1: that said, all of the resources that your body would
26:04
Speaker 1: normally use for digestion and for other areas of your
26:11
Speaker 1: body or other systems, it basically relocates all of that
26:15
Speaker 1: to your muscles. So your muscles get pumped, you start
26:19
Speaker 1: releasing adrenaline and corso, and you're just like ready to
26:22
Speaker 1: like run and like fight for your life. So that
26:25
Speaker 1: usually slows digestion down. It suppresses stomach acid. I think
26:30
Speaker 1: the only people that have adequate amounts of stomach acid
26:34
Speaker 1: are kids because they are not yet like super stressed
26:38
Speaker 1: out and experience like life in New York City or
26:41
Speaker 1: anywhere else, and then it slows they judging down, so
26:46
Speaker 1: moutility slows down. You get that constipation because your stomach
26:50
Speaker 1: acid is low.
26:51
Speaker 2: You start getting the parasites.
26:52
Speaker 1: Because stomach acid is basically disinfecting your food, So every
26:57
Speaker 1: time you eat, the stomach acid is like chlorox, disinfecting
27:00
Speaker 1: your food and then pass it on to the next
27:02
Speaker 1: stages of the digestion. So you can't disinfect your food.
27:05
Speaker 1: You start getting parasites, you start getting east overgrowth, slow motility, constipation,
27:13
Speaker 1: and then even like your saliva, which we need for
27:17
Speaker 1: like the digestion and multiplication of the food, breaking down
27:21
Speaker 1: of carbohydrates is also suppressed, so you're just not You're
27:26
Speaker 1: just fighting for survival rather than working to eat, which
27:30
Speaker 1: is why it's very important to eat in a relaxed state.
27:32
Speaker 1: So if you are stressed out at work and you
27:34
Speaker 1: have a salad in front of you, you might want
27:36
Speaker 1: to go somewhere else, eat your salad, and then check
27:39
Speaker 1: stressful emails. That really, overall becomes extremely taxing on the
27:45
Speaker 1: adrenal glands.
27:46
Speaker 2: And also your minerals.
27:49
Speaker 1: So minerals are incredibly important for all functions.
27:55
Speaker 2: Within the body. There are foundations.
28:00
Speaker 1: As usually deplete sodium, magnesium, calcium, potassium, and when these
28:06
Speaker 1: tanks and they are important for chemical reactions within our body,
28:10
Speaker 1: we start kind of moving in our life in like
28:13
Speaker 1: a slow mode because you just can't the chemical reactions
28:17
Speaker 1: in your body because they act as catalysts for them.
28:20
Speaker 1: They just can't have to quick enough. And you're like,
28:22
Speaker 1: g I'm thirty, why do I feel like I'm one hundred? Well,
28:25
Speaker 1: it's because your minerals are depleted. These raw materials are depleted.
28:31
Speaker 1: You cannot absorb nutrients because your gut has become leaky
28:34
Speaker 1: and ingestion is impacted, and then your adrenal glands suffering
28:38
Speaker 1: suffer and sometimes you may end up with something called
28:41
Speaker 1: a dreamal fatigue. I'm sure everybody's heard about it by now.
28:45
Speaker 1: And at that point, you know, your body just slows
28:48
Speaker 1: down significantly and you need to take a rest. Even
28:53
Speaker 1: if you want to be successful and run it like
28:54
Speaker 1: a thousand miles an hour, you need to slow down
28:57
Speaker 1: because your.
28:57
Speaker 2: Body is just gonna stop you at this point in
29:00
Speaker 2: order to protect you from dying. Yeah, yeah, thank you
29:04
Speaker 2: for painting that picture. That was really helpful.
29:07
Speaker 3: And the other name for leaky gut, by the way,
29:10
Speaker 3: for audiences that may not know by that name, is
29:13
Speaker 3: gut intestinal permeability, so that can be the more like
29:18
Speaker 3: medically accepted terminology.
29:20
Speaker 2: And in the past, leaki.
29:22
Speaker 3: Gut was dismissed as something the holistic community or alternative
29:26
Speaker 3: community just talks about, but now it is very widely accepted.
29:30
Speaker 3: And so you explained the mechanism behind that. And what's
29:34
Speaker 3: more important, which you also mentioned, is the environment that
29:38
Speaker 3: we put our digestive system under. It's not that there's
29:42
Speaker 3: just this function going on over there. It's that our stress,
29:45
Speaker 3: our mental load, our inability to slow down eat mindfully
29:50
Speaker 3: too slowly get into our parasympathetic mode, into the relaxation mode.
29:57
Speaker 2: When we're eating, and really have a way.
30:01
Speaker 3: To transition between both modes very effortlessly, right, because we're
30:06
Speaker 3: just stuck in one of them and it happens to
30:08
Speaker 3: be the fight or flight one and that's not conducive
30:12
Speaker 3: to health. And there's also a saying that all healing
30:16
Speaker 3: happens in a parasympathetic state. So whether you're trying to
30:20
Speaker 3: heal your digestive system or absorb more nutrients from your food.
30:26
Speaker 3: Just enjoy your food and enjoy life and relax in general.
30:31
Speaker 3: This is the key, and so I'm glad that you
30:34
Speaker 3: mentioned that, because everything does happen top down, So your
30:39
Speaker 3: mental load and your capacity to receive is going to
30:45
Speaker 3: be dependent on what date you're in, and even the
30:49
Speaker 3: quality of your saliva and other enzymes that are activated
30:53
Speaker 3: down the line with each subsequent step is going to depend,
30:57
Speaker 3: like you said, on the step previous to that. So
31:00
Speaker 3: it's very, very important to set yourself up for success.
31:04
Speaker 3: And you shared some great tips already, and I think
31:07
Speaker 3: with the minerals that you mentioned, this is another great
31:11
Speaker 3: piece of the puzzle that we are missing, right, And
31:17
Speaker 3: it's it's like we can't really replace everything that we need,
31:21
Speaker 3: in my opinion, with another supplement, with another electrolate, with
31:25
Speaker 3: another brand name this or company that's doing that, you know,
31:29
Speaker 3: So I like to think about, well, what is the
31:31
Speaker 3: real true road, cause why are we all.
31:34
Speaker 2: So mineral deficient? Do you have any thoughts about this?
31:39
Speaker 1: Yeah, of course, So if you think about carrots, right, So,
31:45
Speaker 1: carrots are in the ground, we pull them out, we
31:48
Speaker 1: wash them, we eat them. So fifty years ago, our
31:51
Speaker 1: soil was much richer in magnesium in all these minerals
31:57
Speaker 1: which ended up on the carrots. When you wash them,
32:00
Speaker 1: you don't wash one hundred percent of that soil. Some
32:02
Speaker 1: of that stale stays there, so when you eat them,
32:05
Speaker 1: obviously the carrots also absorb some of those minerals that
32:08
Speaker 1: are in the soil. You eat them and then you
32:11
Speaker 1: absorb some of it. So we cannot make minerals internally.
32:15
Speaker 1: We have to absorb them through food or supplements. So
32:18
Speaker 1: that's one of the reasons our food supply is just
32:22
Speaker 1: not the same. And every time I go to Europe,
32:25
Speaker 1: I notice a big difference in my regularity or how
32:29
Speaker 1: I feel because old the food is much more rich
32:32
Speaker 1: in minerals, especially magnesium, than it is in the United States.
32:38
Speaker 1: And also we're much more stressed out, so we burn
32:41
Speaker 1: at minerals in a much faster rate than our ancestor did,
32:47
Speaker 1: like fifty one hundred years ago. And unless we replenish
32:50
Speaker 1: them and again go into parasympathetic state as you mentioned,
32:55
Speaker 1: we're not really going to be able to keep them,
32:59
Speaker 1: and they're just going to keep leaching out of our
33:02
Speaker 1: bones because we just don't have enough, and just talking
33:07
Speaker 1: about minerals, A lot of people think that if they
33:10
Speaker 1: do a blood test, they're going to get an accurate
33:13
Speaker 1: representation of their mineral status. However, blood is very tightly
33:19
Speaker 1: regulated so it keeps everything in balance, and only one
33:23
Speaker 1: percent of the minerals can be found in the blood.
33:27
Speaker 2: We usually like taking a tissue.
33:29
Speaker 1: Sample, so that can be your nails or hair to
33:32
Speaker 1: see how minerals are actually stored in yourselves and in
33:36
Speaker 1: your tissues and see where you are deficient in order
33:40
Speaker 1: to assess where we need to supplement you. So that's
33:43
Speaker 1: called hair tissue mineral analysis. And for me it was
33:46
Speaker 1: a game changer because of my many years of stress.
33:50
Speaker 1: It turned out that I was almost a zero of
33:54
Speaker 1: all the main minerals and also had some toxic elements
33:58
Speaker 1: which can complicated the mineral picture as well.
34:03
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much for sharing all of that.
34:06
Speaker 3: I know this is a lot of information we're throwing
34:09
Speaker 3: out here, but this is so so important and so
34:12
Speaker 3: key to help to talk about the gut and stress
34:15
Speaker 3: and the role of the food quality and lack of
34:20
Speaker 3: regulations thereof, and just really understand how deep these roots
34:24
Speaker 3: causes truly go.
34:27
Speaker 2: So one kind of final.
34:29
Speaker 3: Piece I would love for you to address it are
34:31
Speaker 3: the hormones, because a lot of people also blame hormones,
34:35
Speaker 3: like somebody's in perimenopause or menopause, or somebody's entering puberty,
34:39
Speaker 3: and all of these like skin issues or UTI's or
34:43
Speaker 3: what have you start popping up around that time. So
34:45
Speaker 3: do you have any comments about how to approach these
34:48
Speaker 3: periods of transition and the conversation about hormones.
34:53
Speaker 1: Yeah, that has really become a hot topic this year,
34:56
Speaker 1: especially when it comes to HRT as well for women
35:01
Speaker 1: in a perimeno pause menopause. So I would say that
35:07
Speaker 1: a lot of people, again rely on blood testing when
35:10
Speaker 1: they look at their hormones. And a woman may feel
35:14
Speaker 1: unwell or a man may feel unwell, and they go
35:17
Speaker 1: to the doctor. They take a snapshot, just like a
35:20
Speaker 1: single picture of where the hormones are at the time.
35:23
Speaker 1: They get the vein punctured and draw the blood, and
35:26
Speaker 1: then their levels come back normal for that specific time
35:30
Speaker 1: of the women's cycle, and they're like, oh, everything looks fine,
35:37
Speaker 1: but it's more important to look at not just a picture,
35:40
Speaker 1: but kind of like a movie of how your hormones are.
35:42
Speaker 1: For cycling women during the month, or just for anyone
35:47
Speaker 1: looking willing to look at their adrenals, how their cords
35:51
Speaker 1: rhythm is throughout the whole day, because hormones operate in
35:55
Speaker 1: certain cycles, so saliva testing urine testing are usually better
36:00
Speaker 1: for looking at that in order to get an accurate
36:02
Speaker 1: picture of when exactly you are low and establish is
36:08
Speaker 1: it progesterone usually this is what tanks for women in perimenopause.
36:14
Speaker 2: Or is it estrogen?
36:15
Speaker 1: Are you not metabolizing your estrogen correctly because some of
36:20
Speaker 1: the pathways are more genotoxic than others, and yet like
36:25
Speaker 1: a more accurate picture than just using one snapshop and
36:29
Speaker 1: deciding everything later. A lot of women that have acne
36:34
Speaker 1: or pcos usually have higher testosterone levels or DHA, which
36:42
Speaker 1: is a precursor, so it would be a good idea
36:45
Speaker 1: to get an accurate picture of that. And then for
36:48
Speaker 1: men when they have some problems, usually that usually stems
36:54
Speaker 1: from blood sugar and excess fat, which causes something called
36:58
Speaker 1: aromatization where they convert the stosterone into more estrogen, So
37:05
Speaker 1: that's where some of the issues can happen, as well
37:08
Speaker 1: as when people consume soy based products as well, which
37:12
Speaker 1: are incredibly high in estrogen. I see a lot of
37:16
Speaker 1: people eating soybeans or soy milk, or tempe or tofu,
37:20
Speaker 1: and you know, I have nothing against any of these foods. However,
37:24
Speaker 1: they're very high in estrogen and they can, you know,
37:29
Speaker 1: really for women throw off some things, and same thing
37:33
Speaker 1: for men as well in terms of like perimenopause and menopause.
37:39
Speaker 1: I'm really glad that this year that conversation has shifted
37:44
Speaker 1: and that more and more people are considering testing and
37:48
Speaker 1: looking at methods to manage this, because in the past
37:50
Speaker 1: it was like, oh, you're entering perimenopause or menopause, like
37:55
Speaker 1: that's it, Like you know, you're going to have to
37:57
Speaker 1: live with some of those symptoms for the rest of
37:59
Speaker 1: your life. But again, with testing, we can accurately look
38:03
Speaker 1: at what exactly we need to support in what quantities
38:08
Speaker 1: the medication or supplements should be given in order to
38:12
Speaker 1: properly manage that.
38:16
Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for that.
38:17
Speaker 3: I will also add that a lot of the environmental
38:21
Speaker 3: factors that are contributing to this, and also lifestyle factors
38:26
Speaker 3: are what we mentioned already, some of which is hormones
38:31
Speaker 3: are affected by what you said, detoxification pathways, and so
38:37
Speaker 3: when we are filling our bodies up with maybe junk food,
38:42
Speaker 3: we're using those minerals that deliver needs and the other
38:45
Speaker 3: organs of detoxifications to detox everything you're putting in there,
38:50
Speaker 3: whether it's coming from the air, pollution and the environment,
38:53
Speaker 3: the things that we're wearing, any plastic in our life,
38:58
Speaker 3: like touching our food or water or even our body.
39:01
Speaker 3: A lot of these synthetic textiles that are all over
39:06
Speaker 3: the clothing industry, unfortunately, you know. And so when that's
39:11
Speaker 3: constantly in our environment from day one, like you said,
39:15
Speaker 3: hopefully some kids are going to be born healthy, but
39:18
Speaker 3: more and more kids are actually not born healthy, and
39:20
Speaker 3: we also have an infertility crisis because all of these
39:23
Speaker 3: toxins are interfering with our ability to detox, our own
39:27
Speaker 3: pathways to get.
39:29
Speaker 2: The right minerals and where they're supposed to go, because.
39:32
Speaker 3: We're running through them more and more, and we're leaching
39:35
Speaker 3: them from our bones and other places where they're needed.
39:39
Speaker 3: And then we are just exposing ourselves again unfortunately because
39:44
Speaker 3: of the lack of regulations to all of these things,
39:48
Speaker 3: and we can't manage right the way that we're supposed to,
39:52
Speaker 3: and then we're harming our microbiomes with antibiotics for every
39:56
Speaker 3: little cold and other thing that we're taking them for,
39:59
Speaker 3: and then we have a huge problem with every age group.
40:02
Speaker 3: And these estrogens that you mentioned, a lot of them
40:08
Speaker 3: are actually from plastic and things in our environment that
40:12
Speaker 3: are targeting our estrogen receptors and overactivating them, and so
40:18
Speaker 3: that also sets off along with chronic stress, these different
40:22
Speaker 3: reactions that are not supposed to be happening and influencing
40:25
Speaker 3: our hormones negatively. And then the soy foods, there is
40:30
Speaker 3: a debate. It does depend on the processing, the growing
40:34
Speaker 3: and the processing and the fermentation. If those things are
40:38
Speaker 3: happening in the traditional way, they're thought to be actually
40:42
Speaker 3: potentially therapeutic, and then if they're not a lot of
40:45
Speaker 3: like the milk products that you mentioned, those are usually
40:51
Speaker 3: industrial and conventional, and so they're not really going to
40:54
Speaker 3: have benefits and they probably do cause more harm than good.
40:59
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's a lot of factors to think about,
41:02
Speaker 3: but overall, I think if we look.
41:05
Speaker 2: At tradition and historical.
41:08
Speaker 3: Data, we can really learn a lot more than some
41:11
Speaker 3: of these even randomized controlled trials that are more shortsighted
41:16
Speaker 3: than some of the longer form data in my opinion,
41:19
Speaker 3: So so thank you so much for all those insights
41:24
Speaker 3: that you shared with us today. And I would love
41:27
Speaker 3: to kind of dream together and create maybe like an
41:33
Speaker 3: ideal version like what would we would hope for the
41:36
Speaker 3: world to have in place? So like what would you
41:40
Speaker 3: wish that there would be regulations on or oversight from
41:46
Speaker 3: like bigger industries collectively? What can we change to make
41:49
Speaker 3: our world healthier?
41:52
Speaker 1: I think everybody should get a minimum of eight hours
41:54
Speaker 1: of sleep.
41:55
Speaker 2: That should be a regulation.
41:57
Speaker 1: Or at least be bad for eight hours and try
41:59
Speaker 1: to get that sleep. I do think that food in schools,
42:05
Speaker 1: like for kids should be regulated in the US. I've
42:10
Speaker 1: heard it's extremely unhealthy, so this is like really important.
42:15
Speaker 1: And then I think there should be mandatory movement for
42:18
Speaker 1: everybody every day, maybe thirty hours of stretching or thirty
42:23
Speaker 1: hours so sorry, thirty minutes of stretching or thirty minutes
42:27
Speaker 1: of running. But sleep, movement, and good food, I think
42:31
Speaker 1: these are foundations.
42:35
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and also the soil.
42:38
Speaker 3: I would wish the soil to be healthier, So more
42:41
Speaker 3: regulations for glycosate and other kind of herbicides and pesticides
42:45
Speaker 3: because those are antibiotics as well, and so we're consuming
42:50
Speaker 3: low levels of them, which seems to be like even
42:53
Speaker 3: more of a problem than the actual food that we're eating.
42:58
Speaker 3: It's just that the food is also age with these
43:01
Speaker 3: chemicals that our body just accumulates.
43:04
Speaker 2: Right. So that's when when you mentioned, you know, in
43:06
Speaker 2: Europe you.
43:07
Speaker 3: Can actually maybe even eat gluten and you'll be okay,
43:10
Speaker 3: whereas you may be very sensitive to it when you're
43:13
Speaker 3: in the US.
43:14
Speaker 2: So this is this is a huge problem.
43:18
Speaker 3: Yeah, so why don't we also talk about maybe some
43:21
Speaker 3: practical advice of how can somebody start to shift these
43:25
Speaker 3: things in their lifestyle for better sleep and better diet
43:29
Speaker 3: and better you know, mindfulness when they're eating.
43:34
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'll start with the eating part because
43:36
Speaker 1: that's one of my areas of expertise. So I usually
43:42
Speaker 1: suggest to my climbs up when they sit down and
43:44
Speaker 1: they look at the meal, they take five deep breaths.
43:48
Speaker 1: That puts you in part sympathetic modes, so rest and
43:52
Speaker 1: they just you are ready to really receive that food
43:57
Speaker 1: in your body, in your stomach, and then and between
44:01
Speaker 1: each bite you can put down your utensils. So that
44:05
Speaker 1: is going to slow you down rather than just like
44:07
Speaker 1: shoving food in your mouth.
44:09
Speaker 2: And then I.
44:12
Speaker 1: Usually advise people to also limit drinks or large glass
44:20
Speaker 1: of water or any other type of drink while they're
44:22
Speaker 1: eating because that dilutes stomach acid. So those three tips
44:27
Speaker 1: I think are really easy to implement and should really
44:30
Speaker 1: help someone with their digestion. And then for sleep, I mean,
44:36
Speaker 1: I know I'm gonna sound like a broken record, but
44:40
Speaker 1: you know, put your phone in another room, Like I mean,
44:43
Speaker 1: why do you have to like sleep with your phone
44:45
Speaker 1: or why do you have to look at it first
44:47
Speaker 1: thing in the morning. It really does not set you
44:50
Speaker 1: up for success for the rest of the day because
44:53
Speaker 1: you get into reactive mode. So I would say turn
44:56
Speaker 1: off your phone like an hour before you go to bed.
44:59
Speaker 1: Nothing you know, ground breaking is going to happen, you
45:02
Speaker 1: know if you leave it on, and it's really going
45:05
Speaker 1: to impact the quality if you're asleep. Also, turning off
45:08
Speaker 1: Wi Fi for the entire house at night, that's going
45:12
Speaker 1: to reduce some of the EMF which we didn't get
45:15
Speaker 1: to talk about. That's also another really easy tip.
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Speaker 2: What do you think I love it?
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Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you so much. I think this is pretty
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Speaker 3: easy to implement. Everything that you shared, I found myself
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Speaker 3: taking some deep breaths as you were talking, and I
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Speaker 3: have to remind myself that as well. Another little tip
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Speaker 3: to add to that, and maybe really focusing on the
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Speaker 3: taste and the texture and even like what your food
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Speaker 3: looks like, at least for the first few bites. Just
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Speaker 3: being really really present and intentional with the meal. I
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Speaker 3: think that really goes a long way, and like smelling
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Speaker 3: the food and really activating that digestive mode. So, Ecat,
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Speaker 3: I would love to do a quick, rapid fire round
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Speaker 3: of questions.
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Speaker 2: Are you up for that? Yeah? Sure? Okay.
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Speaker 3: So the first question is a little similar to the last.
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Speaker 3: What's the number one tip for somebody to improve their
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Speaker 3: quality of life right now?
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Speaker 2: Social connections? Beautiful?
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Speaker 3: Question two, what advice would you give to a younger
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Speaker 3: version of yourself, maybe the ECAT that was still struggling
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Speaker 3: with all those health challenges when she was at her
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Speaker 3: corporate job.
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Speaker 1: Russ more, laugh, more, more, joy, more happiness, Everything is
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Speaker 1: going to be.
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Speaker 2: Okay, beautiful.
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Speaker 3: And then what's a fun fact or hobby that you
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Speaker 3: have that maybe people don't know about?
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Speaker 1: Wow, let's see the people don't know about? That's difficult
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Speaker 1: because I think people know about everything. Gosh, I mean
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Speaker 1: I feel like my I mean, like the wellness thing
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Speaker 1: is like totally like a big part of my life
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Speaker 1: and like a hobby and you know, work at the
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Speaker 1: same time. I mean, I was born and raised in Bulgaria.
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Speaker 1: I guess that could be a fun fact for your audience.
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Speaker 1: And then I moved here completely alone when I was
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Speaker 1: eighteen and I've been here since and I'm you know,
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Speaker 1: my family is still back home, so I'm still doing
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Speaker 1: everything on my own, which has been difficult, and I'm
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Speaker 1: trying to kind of balance health and life and with
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Speaker 1: everything else, which is difficult for like one person far
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Speaker 1: away from their family and home country to do.
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I appreciate you sharing that I moved here with
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Speaker 3: my family when I was nine, but luckily I had
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Speaker 3: the family and then we have some extended family here
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Speaker 3: and that's why I've stayed in New York for so long,
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Speaker 3: because we do have a fanta.
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Speaker 2: So yeah, so why don't you tell our audience about
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Speaker 2: where you are based.
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you have in person things, online things,
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Speaker 3: and then.
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Speaker 2: Any special gifts that you have to share as well. Yeah.
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Speaker 1: So I work virtually with clients all over the world,
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Speaker 1: so all the testing that.
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Speaker 2: We talked about. I run that.
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Speaker 1: I'm a big fan of testing, and I can ship
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Speaker 1: that anywhere in the world. You can find me at
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Speaker 1: my website healthilyecad dot com and I do have some
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Speaker 1: freebies for you, so it's healthilyecad dot com for slash
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Speaker 1: freebie and you can find a whole library a bolth
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Speaker 1: of resources depending on what your needs are and where
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Speaker 1: you want to start. And you can always catch me
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Speaker 1: on Instagram healthily dot ecad uh and send me any questions.
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Speaker 1: I'm happy to answer them, all right. Thank you so much,
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Speaker 1: this was such a fun episode. Yeah, and I hope
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Speaker 1: to see you soon of course. Thank you so much, Marina.
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Speaker 3: Thank you for tuning in to another episode of the
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Speaker 3: Holistic Pharmacy Podcast, and I truly hope you enjoyed the show.
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Speaker 3: If you learn something useful in this episode, please consider
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Speaker 3: you can find me on social media by looking up
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Speaker 3: my name Marina books of or email me at Marina
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Speaker 3: at rawfork dot com.
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Speaker 2: Take good care and see you soon.