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Speaker 1: Peter Kredland live on sky Ingins Australia. Good evening, welcome
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Speaker 1: to the show, step Price with you filling in for Peter.
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Speaker 1: She's going to have a couple of days off. Here's
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Speaker 1: what's coming up tonight on Kredlin. The horror Week that
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi is having the from ducking
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Speaker 1: and weaving around the Isis brides and their children to
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Speaker 1: a bomb skir at the lodge and now Grace Tame
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Speaker 1: is after him. I'll have my say on that shortly.
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Speaker 1: Also tonight, Australian's with a mortgage steering at at least one,
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Speaker 1: maybe two interest rate rises this year as inflation stays
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Speaker 1: stubbornly high and the federal government just seems incapable of
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Speaker 1: attacking government spending Warren Hogan with as shortly as the
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Speaker 1: twenty twenty six budget looms on the horizon and on
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Speaker 1: the Isis bride situation. The Australian newspaper reporting today that
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Speaker 1: the head of that Syrian camp says two extra women
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Speaker 1: said to be Australian married to Australian fighters are described
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Speaker 1: as extremists. Former AFP officer and Crevelin regular David Craig
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Speaker 1: will join us tonight as well, and our International Affairs
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Speaker 1: Panel Koshergarda and Michael Danby pick apart that extraordinary nearly
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Speaker 1: two hour State of the Union speech by Donald Trump yesterday,
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Speaker 1: I watched the lot and it was amazing. First up, though,
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Speaker 1: the Prime Minister Anthony Albanezi has had one of those
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Speaker 1: weeks you've got to say that all politicians would rather
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Speaker 1: avoid if, as it seems, the intentional shifting of his
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Speaker 1: attitude to repatriating the so called IS's brides, the original
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Speaker 1: eleven and their twenty three children. If that hasn't been
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Speaker 1: bad enough, He then had to be evacuated from his
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Speaker 1: Canber home, the Lodge, after the AFP alerted him and
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Speaker 1: his staff of a potential bomb threat that seems to
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Speaker 1: have been a hoax. Then yesterday his bad week went
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Speaker 1: from terrible to horrible. And here's a newsflash. I do
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Speaker 1: have some sympathy for Anthony Albanezi with this later stumble
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Speaker 1: from a Prime minister who seemed I thought to have
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Speaker 1: recovered his confidence after the appalling handling posts the Bondi
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Speaker 1: terror attack that took fifteen lives and his inability to
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Speaker 1: show leadership around anti Semitism. The Prime Minister was the
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Speaker 1: headline speaker yesterday at an event called Future Victoria. It
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Speaker 1: was staged by the newspaper that I write for, the
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Speaker 1: Herald Son. Now, as part of that event, he was
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Speaker 1: interviewed by the papers edit the Sam wir. Now. Sam
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Speaker 1: likes to end these interviews with a series of rapid
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Speaker 1: fire questions where he asks for one word responses from
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Speaker 1: his interview guests. Now, it's clever and as usual, gets
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Speaker 1: the person in the hot seat into all sorts of
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Speaker 1: trouble and the Prime Minister really made a meal of it.
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Speaker 1: Let's start though, with the word he used the PM
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Speaker 1: used to describe one nation leader, Senator Pauline Hanson, Pauline
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Speaker 1: Hanson divisive, divisive. Now, it didn't take long for Pauline
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Speaker 1: to hit but bactually bobbed up on Sky News a
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Speaker 1: couple of hours later and didn't as usual miss with
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Speaker 1: her response.
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Speaker 2: Well, if you want to use the device, and for me,
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Speaker 2: I'd say he's been the most divisive prime minister we
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Speaker 2: have ever had in this country.
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Speaker 3: There you go with the voice, with.
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Speaker 2: Anti semitism, everything that's happened. I just feel that he
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Speaker 2: has divided this nation as he's Australian against Australian.
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Speaker 1: He's not wrong. Australia has never felt as divided. I
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Speaker 1: don't think as it does right now. And it's not
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Speaker 1: Pauline's fault. People feel let down by government, all sorts
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Speaker 1: of governments. They blame Canberra for the surge in inflation,
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Speaker 1: and in Victoria in particular, see an incompetent labor government
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Speaker 1: that won't even admit they are overseeing generational alleged corruption
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Speaker 1: by the rogue c FMEU and they refuse to hold
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Speaker 1: a Royal commission to a afraid of what that inquiry
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Speaker 1: might find. Now the Prime Minister's next stumble, and this
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Speaker 1: is where I do have a sliver of sympathy. Talking
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Speaker 1: of division, professional agitator and former Australian of the Year
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Speaker 1: Grace Tame asked to use one word to describe Grace Tame.
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Speaker 1: This was the Prime Minister, Grace Tame difficult. In case
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Speaker 1: you missed it, the word was difficult. Now quee the
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Speaker 1: outrage machine on social media, of course, with the Prime
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Speaker 1: Minister being incorrectly accused of suggesting Grace Tame was called
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Speaker 1: difficult because she is a woman. Now, how stupid is that?
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Speaker 1: I'm a response. I mean seriously. Grace Tam herself shared
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Speaker 1: a response from a survivor of sexual abuse who said,
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Speaker 1: quote difficult is the misogynist's code for a woman who
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Speaker 1: won't comply. End of quote. Now I mean seriously. Then
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Speaker 1: the Greens in leader Larissa Water as well, she had
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Speaker 1: to chime in, suggesting labeling women as difficult wote quote
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Speaker 1: silence us. It won't stop us speaking truth to power.
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Speaker 1: End of quote. Now come on, Laurissa, seriously, we're talking
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Speaker 1: about Anthony Albanezi here. I mean, you could try that
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Speaker 1: stuff on as you did with your mates, with say
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Speaker 1: Peter Darton or even Scott Morrison, but this is olbow.
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Speaker 1: I mean, you can't be serious. Surely. Of course, in
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Speaker 1: the twenty four News twenty four hour news cycle, the
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Speaker 1: Prime Minister was at an event this morning. He was
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Speaker 1: confronted by this normal stuff, the difficult description of Grace Tame.
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Speaker 1: Now this was the PM's attempt to wriggle out of it.
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Speaker 4: Grace Tame, you certainly can't describe in one word. She
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Speaker 4: has had a difficult life and that was what I
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Speaker 4: was referring to. And what Grace Tame has done is
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Speaker 4: to turn that difficult experience that she had into being
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Speaker 4: a strong advocate for others. There was any misinterpretation, then
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Speaker 4: I certainly apologize.
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Speaker 1: Look as if he was as if he was talking
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Speaker 1: about her difficult life. I mean, come on, look maybe,
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Speaker 1: but look I'm more likely to think, like ninety nine
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Speaker 1: point nine percent of Australians that the Prime Minister really
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Speaker 1: does think. And this is a mild criticism of her
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Speaker 1: using the word difficult. But when the person you are
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Speaker 1: talking about, Grace Tame, screams this into a microphone at
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Speaker 1: a pro Palestinian demonstration in a city where fifteen innocent people,
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Speaker 1: predominantly Jewish, were slaughtered, we have.
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Speaker 2: To continue to mobilize and we have to continue to globalize.
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Speaker 5: Say it with me, from Gadigal to.
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Speaker 6: Gaza, Globalize the intifier won my.
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Speaker 2: Time, From Gadigol to Gaza, Globalize.
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Speaker 1: The difficult hardly. There are many words you could use
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Speaker 1: to describe Grace Tame that we must concede, of course
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Speaker 1: had a horrific early life. But for an Australian of
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Speaker 1: the year to make those comments means she should be
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Speaker 1: stripped of that title, a move that even the new
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Speaker 1: South Wales Premier Chris Min's believes should be considered. Let's
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Speaker 1: just plead for the outrage machine, the social media mob too,
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Speaker 1: as the Prime Minister himself says, turn down the temperature
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Speaker 1: and stop being so difficult for the headlinesky On News
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Speaker 1: political reporter Rubenspargo, the Treasurer.
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Speaker 7: Appears to be keeping his options open ahead of the
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Speaker 7: federal governments May budget. His department's examining changes to the
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Speaker 7: capital gains tax as part of a potential broader reform package.
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Speaker 7: Modeling is underway on reducing the CGT discount from fifty
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Speaker 7: percent to thirty three percent to move the coalition as flagging,
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Speaker 7: it would oppose.
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Speaker 8: We need a government that gets serious about housing. Put
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Speaker 8: an additional tax on housing is not the answer.
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Speaker 7: A Treasury Secretary Ken Henry says generational equity could be
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Speaker 7: strengthened by lowering income taxes at the top end. He
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Speaker 7: argues the current forty five percent marginal rate is distorting
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Speaker 7: investment decisions and steering capital toward property.
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Speaker 3: I've always said I'll support lower income taxes, Laura, but
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Speaker 3: of course it has to be sustainable.
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Speaker 7: As some economists warn, rising government debt and persistent deficits
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Speaker 7: of fueling inflationary pressures. Jim Chalmers is promising this budget
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Speaker 7: will be his most ambitious yet. Anti Semitism Royal Commissioner
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Speaker 7: Virginia Bell has visited the site of the Bondai Beach attack.
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Speaker 7: She met privately with survivors and victims families to outline
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Speaker 7: the inquiry's work. According to The Australian, the session was
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Speaker 7: convened to explain why the Anti Semitism and Social Cohesion
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Speaker 7: Royal Commission cannot directly investigate the attack itself. Members of
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Speaker 7: Sydney's Jewish community attended the Bondai pavilion to ask questions.
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Speaker 1: You were even thank you for that. All right, let's
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Speaker 1: dive into what's making news and revelations today, Victoria, can
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Speaker 1: you believe this has just come out? There's going to
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Speaker 1: be in big trouble if the airport rail link isn't
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Speaker 1: built within a decade, as if that's going to happen.
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Speaker 1: Here to take us through Sky News contributor carrollly Kats
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Speaker 1: and Barnas and author at The Spectator Terry Barnes. Welcome
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Speaker 1: to you both. I mean, Terry, I can't think of
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Speaker 1: one other city the size of Melbourne in the world.
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Speaker 1: Without an airport train.
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Speaker 9: Well, it's true, Stuve, and anybody who's caught the train
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Speaker 9: from Heathrow to Pannington in London knows how good they are.
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Speaker 9: And yes, here we are and there's going to be decades,
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Speaker 9: I think, as you say, But certainly they're saying that
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Speaker 9: they won't actually have a line in even starting to
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Speaker 9: turn the shovels for another five ten years.
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Speaker 1: But you don't have to go to London and go
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Speaker 1: to Sydney.
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Speaker 9: But the thing is, though, when it comes to these
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Speaker 9: big bill projects. I mean, this is another infrastructure project
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Speaker 9: that's in the queue, but we can't afford down here
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Speaker 9: in Victoria to any infrastructure projects at all. I mean,
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Speaker 9: spending so much on this suburban rail loop and we
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Speaker 9: haven't sought it out. The absolute wrought of the relations CFMEU.
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Speaker 9: I just think until those are cleaned up, until we
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Speaker 9: actually have money in the kiddy down here, we can't
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Speaker 9: do anything.
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Speaker 1: Well. The Prime Minister, he was trying this week to
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Speaker 1: divert attention away from all of the trouble. He started
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Speaker 1: talking about fast trains from Sydney to Melbourne. I mean,
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Speaker 1: I'm seventy one years old, I reckon, I've written that
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Speaker 1: story as a reporter fifty times in my time in
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Speaker 1: paper and on radio. It's not going to happen. No,
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Speaker 1: it's not.
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Speaker 9: And certainly it's a pipe driven in terms of well
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Speaker 9: not only the building of it, but the actual economics
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Speaker 9: of it. It's been found to be an almost impossible
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Speaker 9: project for the best part of forty years, you know,
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Speaker 9: feasibility studied after study. But no, the promise was actually
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Speaker 9: talking about Sydney to Newcastle the other days. Now it's
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Speaker 9: going to Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: But look Sydney to Newcastle for the ninety billion dollars.
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Speaker 9: That's just bizarre.
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Speaker 1: I mean, curreently. The airport train now this is planned
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Speaker 1: to go to Sunshine Station. Now, I got nothing against Sunshine,
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Speaker 1: but I if I land in Melbourne as a tourist
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Speaker 1: or as a business person or someone from Interostate, I
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Speaker 1: want to go not to Sunshine. I want to go
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Speaker 1: to one of those grimy grim stations like Southern Cross
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Speaker 1: Orf Flinda Street. I not want to change trains at
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Speaker 1: Sunshine exactly.
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Speaker 10: And you just can't.
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Speaker 1: You just can't.
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Speaker 10: And I see Ed Sheeran, He's arrived in Melbourne this evening.
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Speaker 10: He took the eleven hour XPTF. He Sydney down to Melbourne.
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Speaker 1: But the why, I don't know why.
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Speaker 10: I don't know either, But he wanted to reduce his
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Speaker 10: carbon footprint.
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Speaker 1: How does that go?
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Speaker 10: But listen. But the bottom line also and tarrying, and
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Speaker 10: you are so touched on this. Australia Victoria is two
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Speaker 10: hundred billion dollars in debt. Our interest for payment is
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Speaker 10: twenty four million dollars a day. That's just over a
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Speaker 10: million dollars an hour. There is no money. You mentioned
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Speaker 10: the fifteen billion dollars of alleged corruption from the CFMU
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Speaker 10: and Labor.
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Speaker 11: Mates.
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Speaker 10: This is just a deflection tool. You just know that
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Speaker 10: Anthony Albaneze and Labor have always got something to hide
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Speaker 10: when they bring up the airport rail The other thing
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Speaker 10: is I don't hear the owners of Melbourne Airport talking
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Speaker 10: about actually building it. It's always on the taxpayer. Commonwealth
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Speaker 10: debt is nearly a tree in dollars. There is no
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Speaker 10: money to build this airport rail link at all.
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Speaker 1: Well, the rail link in Sydney was actually built by
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Speaker 1: private enterprise and one of the criticisms of it when
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Speaker 1: it opened was that the fair was so expensive to
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Speaker 1: get from Central to the domestic or international airport. A
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Speaker 1: lot of people chose not to use it. Now everyone
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Speaker 1: uses it, but it wasn't paid for for the tax.
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Speaker 1: That's right. I mean, Terry, we are in so much
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Speaker 1: debt in Victoria that you can't you can't build anything more. Well,
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Speaker 1: I've got to stop spending money.
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Speaker 9: Surely, absolutely, and Carrol is absolutely right about that. But
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Speaker 9: we do have to clean up the way that we
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Speaker 9: do public works in Victoria now, in terms of the CFMU,
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Speaker 9: in terms of these other rights, in terms of the
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Speaker 9: sweetheart deals. But certainly I think it's really the private
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Speaker 9: sect that has to step up. It has to be
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Speaker 9: allowed to step up, and in Victoria being the people's
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Speaker 9: republic of Victoria, but I don't like doing public private partnerships,
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Speaker 9: let alone having private equity build it.
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Speaker 1: We also had the Prime Minister this week here. I
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Speaker 1: talked about that event the Herald yesterday. It was called
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Speaker 1: Future Melbourne. He had to contend with a few hecklers,
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Speaker 1: which that's going to happen probably pretty regularly now, but
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Speaker 1: it didn't stop him talking up Melbourne. Have a look
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Speaker 1: at what he said yesterday at this event.
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Speaker 6: As you get around Melbourne, you can almost growing in
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Speaker 6: real time, and you can certainly see why this is
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Speaker 6: a wonderful global city to visit. Rightly famous for its
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Speaker 6: major events and vibrant culture, this is also a great
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Speaker 6: place to live, study, make a career and raise a family.
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Speaker 1: Vibrant culture. Caraently, maybe he should ring the family that
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Speaker 1: overnight had a man with the mashitti knocking on the
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Speaker 1: front door, captured in their security cameras. He didn't mention
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Speaker 1: the crime crisis. He talked about how he had nice
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Speaker 1: cups of coffee.
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Speaker 10: Ridiculous. What about the the Sioux chef that was stabbed
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Speaker 10: by some that was granted bail. This is a continual
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Speaker 10: revolving door there, revolving door, the high speed pursuits. Why
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Speaker 10: doesn't it actually come down and look at the crime crisis.
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Speaker 10: Look that we are down frontline police, Look at the teachers,
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Speaker 10: Look at the state of Melbourne as well, look at
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Speaker 10: the homelessness too. I mean he talks about major events.
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Speaker 10: Did he mention about the Dan Andrews six hundred million
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Speaker 10: dollar Victorian taxpayers payout that he just said to win
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Speaker 10: the election, promising the Commonwealth Games to regional cities that
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Speaker 10: was a vote grab. Does he mention that We've just
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Speaker 10: lost the motor GP from Phillip Island. I mean, it
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Speaker 10: is ridiculous. Is he mention about, you know, the forward
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Speaker 10: planning things. It's just a pipe drine. They are taking
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Speaker 10: the Victorian taxpayer for granted and just bare face lying
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Speaker 10: and talking of the ISIS supporters and the so called
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Speaker 10: ISIS brides. Why is he not stopping these passports that
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Speaker 10: will be granted. We know that two thirds of them
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Speaker 10: want to actually come back to Victoria to settle. It's
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Speaker 10: a wonderful place to live.
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Speaker 1: Jerry, there's a state election in November. You wait, many times,
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Speaker 1: do we think we're going to have Anthony Alben easy
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Speaker 1: down here dishing out money every other day?
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Speaker 9: I think, Steve, especially if the polls are right and
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Speaker 9: the Allen Labour government's in trouble. But my feeling about
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Speaker 9: that is the opposition has to step up too in
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Speaker 9: terms of really hard policy. And it was really good
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Speaker 9: actually talking about the Brays, the Primeist talk about Melbourne
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Speaker 9: growing that Jess Wilson, Victorian Liberal leader, is actually talking
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Speaker 9: about a planning policy that might actually work. So they
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Speaker 9: have to talk about policy from aunt November, not until
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Speaker 9: wait until October.
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Speaker 1: I think she started strongly. I think she's doing really
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Speaker 1: really known an import she has.
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Speaker 10: I mean, why doesn't actually instruct your center, Allen. We
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Speaker 10: know that the Richmond injecting room, a woman was attacked
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Speaker 10: and a man set for five years. The cameras haven't
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Speaker 10: been working. That was a condition of the legal injecting
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Speaker 10: Richmond to be allowed to operate. They just don't care.
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Speaker 10: They're on the side of the criminals, not on normal
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Speaker 10: logical thinking Victorians.
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Speaker 1: What about the education minister Jason Clear He's announced legislation
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Speaker 1: to strengthen the powers of something called Tertiary Education Quality
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Speaker 1: and Standards Agency, whatever that is QUONGO, that is to
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Speaker 1: combat anti semitism and other forms of racism. But also
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Speaker 1: within some of these announcements he's talked about the fact
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Speaker 1: that you know, university's got to clean up their act. Well,
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Speaker 1: what's happened since October seven to do that?
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Speaker 11: Well?
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Speaker 9: I think the technical expressions bug are all still correct.
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Speaker 9: I mean, Julian Siegel pointed it out that look, the
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Speaker 9: coupman's making the right noises about it, but what's going
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Speaker 9: to happen. I don't think anything's going to happen because
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Speaker 9: the university is say, oh, look academic freedom. We've got
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Speaker 9: to do what's right.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's like trying to reform the ABC.
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Speaker 9: It's just not you can't do it, it's it's pushing
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Speaker 9: water uphill. But look, I think Jason Claire is a
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Speaker 9: decent bloke and he's trying to do the right thing.
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Speaker 9: He's trying to actually get the message to the university administrations.
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Speaker 9: But they're more concerned about getting bums on lecture hall
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Speaker 9: seats they want. They don't care about.
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Speaker 1: Foreign studio bumbs on plane seats to get into the
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Speaker 1: universe or in an Adelaide.
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Speaker 9: It's squat toilets for those.
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Speaker 1: You've got students care. We're told wealthy poor students are
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Speaker 1: going to leap frog wealthier classmates into university degrees next year.
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Speaker 1: What I'm going to legislate subsidies for every disadvantage student
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Speaker 1: who meets academic entry requirements.
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Speaker 10: Sorry to I've interrupted you, but that that is socialism
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Speaker 10: one I want. Because of course they don't want it
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Speaker 10: as a merit based process. This is not good. You
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Speaker 10: should not be doing special rules for people from different
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Speaker 10: ethnic groups or quota systems at all. This is actually
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Speaker 10: going to bring class warfare to academia. By all means
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Speaker 10: help students with books and perhaps some kind of loans.
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Speaker 10: But you want the best people to be able to
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Speaker 10: go and do their degrees. And why should someone that
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Speaker 10: has got lesser marks, but maybe from a disadvantage background
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Speaker 10: or an ethnic minority, leapfrog over somebody that has got
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Speaker 10: the better marks.
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Speaker 1: This is not the way to go, Surely, Terry Merritt
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Speaker 1: is what has to count, and that's what's scholarships are for.
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Speaker 9: Unter Merit is all that's counter and scholarships is the
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Speaker 9: way to go. If you're talking about scholarships for people
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Speaker 9: who are less well lot for struggling in some way,
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Speaker 9: that's fine, But to actually leap frog them over, as
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Speaker 9: they've been doing in Britain for a long time now, and.
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Speaker 1: What sort of division does that cause on campus?
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Speaker 9: I just think it too well. It just means that
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Speaker 9: in terms of domestic students, you're going to have special consideration,
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Speaker 9: then you're going to have normal merit students. But really
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Speaker 9: it goes back to that question about what do they want.
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Speaker 9: They want more international students. They're more concerned about making
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Speaker 9: money and paying the bills.
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Speaker 1: Carry carrily, tear it, Thank you very much. Good on
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Speaker 1: you out of Western Australia now where controversial cultural heritage
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Speaker 1: laws are now being tested. Now, Peter's done a lot
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Speaker 1: on this story in the past. The State Supreme Court,
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Speaker 1: Tony Maddox has gone there received a two thousand dollars fine.
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Speaker 1: This is unbelievable after we were repaired a small creek crossing.
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Speaker 1: We've seen pictures it's on his own farm. We've seen
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Speaker 1: pictures that there, it is there. It's ridiculous. The problem,
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Speaker 1: according to the State's Aboriginal Heritage jack have to listen
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Speaker 1: to this is that the site is associated with the
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Speaker 1: rainbow serpents and is culturally sensitive. I mean seriously joining
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Speaker 1: me now, the man at the center of all this
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Speaker 1: wa farmer Tony Maddocks. Tony, welcome back to Credlin. I
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Speaker 1: know Peter's had a look at this many times over
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Speaker 1: the last twelve months or so. You've been through the
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Speaker 1: magistrate's court. You're now going to take this all the
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Speaker 1: way to the Supreme Court. That's going to cost you
19:26
Speaker 1: a lot of money.
19:28
Speaker 12: Yes, it is. It's an expensive exercise. I'm finding out
19:31
Speaker 12: in the Supreme Court in Western Australia. Never been there before,
19:35
Speaker 12: but I believe this case has to go through there.
19:39
Speaker 12: It has to run its course for the sake of
19:41
Speaker 12: every farmer in WA. This is not a it's no
19:44
Speaker 12: longer a case about Tony Maddox putting a little creek
19:47
Speaker 12: crossing on his creek. This is a case that will
19:49
Speaker 12: set a precedent for every farmer in Western Australia, and
19:54
Speaker 12: I'm determined that they are not allowed to do that.
19:57
Speaker 12: They're not going to do that.
20:00
Speaker 1: Just you're getting massive farming community.
20:07
Speaker 12: We've just started actually getting some very good support. A
20:09
Speaker 12: couple of the bigger farmers have now said, dear Tame,
20:12
Speaker 12: we're with you, so they're helping along the we've got
20:15
Speaker 12: to We've got our own website now, Tony Maddix dot info.
20:19
Speaker 12: If you just look that up, it'll show you the website.
20:22
Speaker 1: It shows you.
20:22
Speaker 12: All the whole case or the publicity that's gone on
20:26
Speaker 12: about the case where it's been advertised. But it's I'm
20:31
Speaker 12: not against Aboriginal heritage. I'm not against Aboriginals at all.
20:36
Speaker 12: To me a lot of mates. In fact, I know
20:38
Speaker 12: all the Aboriginal elders in town. I've actually when this
20:41
Speaker 12: case reared it's ugly head, I grabbed them all and
20:43
Speaker 12: said come out and have a look at the farm. Guys,
20:45
Speaker 12: if I've upset you in any way, I certainly want
20:48
Speaker 12: to fix it, So come and have a look. They've
20:50
Speaker 12: all been out to the crossing. They've all said what
20:52
Speaker 12: a wonderful job I've done on the creek, and they've
20:54
Speaker 12: all congratulated me for doing that. So I did say
20:58
Speaker 12: to them, so why am I being prosecuted for doing this?
21:02
Speaker 12: If you all reckon I've done a wonderful job. Has
21:05
Speaker 12: your department contacted any of you to ask your opinion
21:09
Speaker 12: on what I've done? No, is the answer. This is
21:13
Speaker 12: a government department. Who do you think he doesn't care?
21:17
Speaker 1: Who do you think is pushing this barrow tourney?
21:20
Speaker 12: This is the department as far as I can, as
21:23
Speaker 12: far as I can make out, and as far as
21:26
Speaker 12: we've dealt into it. This is a department who wanted
21:28
Speaker 12: to set a president and it's a dangerous precedent that
21:31
Speaker 12: would would have been set for every farmer and everyone
21:34
Speaker 12: in wa. This is an apartment that runs the Aboriginal
21:38
Speaker 12: Cultural Heritage Committee, and the Aboriginal Cultural Heritage Committee can
21:42
Speaker 12: make up their mind overnight, not tell anyone what they've done,
21:47
Speaker 12: and the next day you are suddenly guilty. It's quite
21:52
Speaker 12: flabbergasting that this is alive and well in our society today.
21:57
Speaker 12: I would have thought that any normal government depart I
22:00
Speaker 12: would say, we've changed the regulations. Everyone, this is what
22:03
Speaker 12: we've done. Please make yourself aware of it. We'll give
22:06
Speaker 12: you six months or twelve months to make yourself aware
22:08
Speaker 12: of it.
22:08
Speaker 1: This is how we've.
22:09
Speaker 12: Advertised it that it was so blatant they didn't even
22:13
Speaker 12: tell our local shires. Once they charge me for doing
22:17
Speaker 12: my crossing, I said, well, hang on a minute. Our
22:19
Speaker 12: local shire has just put one in front of the
22:21
Speaker 12: school for the school kids to walk over so they
22:24
Speaker 12: can walk across the creek. So the local sh I
22:28
Speaker 12: got done as well.
22:30
Speaker 1: I'm laughing, I belie laughing because it's not funny. I mean,
22:33
Speaker 1: it's an issue that you've now got to take the
22:35
Speaker 1: next step to the Supreme Court. Good luck with it.
22:38
Speaker 1: We'll keep in touch. I'm sure Peter will talk to
22:39
Speaker 1: you about how that court case unfolds. Tony Maddox said,
22:43
Speaker 1: that's just unbelievable. Now after the break, despite the slippery language,
22:47
Speaker 1: Labor looks more likely to try and change the capital
22:49
Speaker 1: gains tax plus with yesterday's inflation data, how likely is
22:53
Speaker 1: it that we're going to see a rape rise? I'll
22:55
Speaker 1: tell you pretty likely. Welcome back to the price in
23:02
Speaker 1: for Peters's off for a couple of days. Now, let's
23:04
Speaker 1: talk about the economy yesterday. That inflation data gave little
23:09
Speaker 1: optimism I'd say zero optimism of a rate cut next month,
23:13
Speaker 1: and if anything, probably raises the chances of another rise.
23:17
Speaker 1: That core inflation figure keeps creeping higher. It should be
23:21
Speaker 1: a free kick for the coalition. Parliament goes back next week.
23:24
Speaker 1: Angus Taylor's lashed the government as he's been doing a
23:27
Speaker 1: pretty good job about unchecked spending.
23:30
Speaker 8: Here is what we didn't support was a government that
23:34
Speaker 8: was ramping up spending endlessly, that was regulating the economy
23:40
Speaker 8: to a point where people have not invested what they
23:43
Speaker 8: need to and not doing what is necessary to beat
23:46
Speaker 8: inflation because the government has made it too hard for
23:49
Speaker 8: business in this country. This government has failed. They've been
23:52
Speaker 8: beaten by inflation. And the worst bit is they promised
23:55
Speaker 8: us that it was over.
23:58
Speaker 1: Let's talk to Judobank. Second advisor, Warren Hogan joins us
24:01
Speaker 1: on a regular basis. Warren, look right, So again we
24:05
Speaker 1: know the trimmed, mean, so that core inflation wi really
24:09
Speaker 1: be what the RBA is going to be looking at.
24:12
Speaker 1: It's edged up to three point four percent. So what
24:15
Speaker 1: exactly does that mean for next month? I mean a
24:18
Speaker 1: rate rise probably.
24:21
Speaker 13: Yeah, good evening, Steve. Look, in normal times, of course
24:25
Speaker 13: it would, but we've got a central bank that's operating
24:28
Speaker 13: very differently to what we've known in this country over
24:31
Speaker 13: the last thirty odd years, and of course different to
24:34
Speaker 13: differently to what other central banks are doing. They didn't
24:37
Speaker 13: raise rates as much as others. They still preemptively cut rates.
24:42
Speaker 13: That is, they cut rates before inflation was at target,
24:45
Speaker 13: which is two and a half percent, and meant to
24:47
Speaker 13: stay there of course, and now when it's rising again,
24:50
Speaker 13: and many of the basis of their arguments for their
24:53
Speaker 13: previous strategies and the rate cuts last year have proved
24:57
Speaker 13: to be sort of a little thin on the ground.
25:00
Speaker 13: They're not showing much urgency. The markets don't think they're
25:03
Speaker 13: going to move in two weeks at their next movie meeting,
25:06
Speaker 13: But the markets are convinced they'll go one more time
25:08
Speaker 13: this year at least. So look, I would think that
25:12
Speaker 13: they should probably go in a couple of weeks there's
25:15
Speaker 13: no reason to wait. We know with those figures we
25:18
Speaker 13: got this week that inflation is still rising in January.
25:22
Speaker 13: Now they're going to dismiss the monthly numbers that they're
25:24
Speaker 13: not a reliable signal, but we know where the trend is,
25:28
Speaker 13: and that's inflation's rising and moving away from their target.
25:31
Speaker 13: So they need to get that cash right up, and
25:33
Speaker 13: the sooner they do it, the less they'll have to do.
25:37
Speaker 1: Let's talk about what's happening on the street. I wanted
25:39
Speaker 1: to ask you about what items actually get subbed out
25:43
Speaker 1: in the alternative figure. I mean petrol from my point
25:46
Speaker 1: of view, and I'm talking from a Victorian angle, so
25:49
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about the other states that's been cheapish
25:51
Speaker 1: recently in the last few weeks. I'm thinking things like
25:55
Speaker 1: energy bills, warren council rates, insurance renewals, plus places like
26:00
Speaker 1: Victoria's state taxes and chargers. They are all pushing that
26:04
Speaker 1: number up.
26:05
Speaker 13: I presume, Yeah, they certainly are. And I think that's
26:10
Speaker 13: part of the reason that this uplift in inflation in
26:12
Speaker 13: the last six months is so important and shouldn't be
26:17
Speaker 13: taken lightly, is that it is broad based. That is
26:20
Speaker 13: a lot of things arising at more than the target
26:23
Speaker 13: rate of two and a half percent, well over half
26:25
Speaker 13: the basket, and that alone shows you that this is
26:28
Speaker 13: real inflation. It's not because of one or two things,
26:31
Speaker 13: or even a few things. It's broad based and it's problematic.
26:35
Speaker 13: But the trim demean measure is a statistical construct which
26:39
Speaker 13: each time it comes out they just take out the
26:42
Speaker 13: things that go up the most, the fifteen percent of
26:44
Speaker 13: items that go up the most, and the ones that
26:46
Speaker 13: go down the most and try and get the middle.
26:48
Speaker 13: There's all sorts of other core measures, the X volatile
26:53
Speaker 13: items which is traditionally food and energy, which is the
26:55
Speaker 13: way most central banks around the world look at core inflation.
26:59
Speaker 13: That's actually four percent in January. So you can't really
27:03
Speaker 13: cut these figures up in any way that tells us
27:06
Speaker 13: that inflation is anywhere near their target or that it's
27:10
Speaker 13: not moving away from their target. The best you can
27:13
Speaker 13: say is that it's only gradually moving away and that
27:17
Speaker 13: it's only just a little bit of bar by about
27:20
Speaker 13: three and a half percent versus a target of two
27:22
Speaker 13: and a half. But the history shows that this sort
27:25
Speaker 13: of complacency ends up in a situation often where inflation
27:29
Speaker 13: is suddenly five percent and the RBA has got to
27:31
Speaker 13: raise raise interest rates by three or four times, by
27:36
Speaker 13: fifty basis points, which, of course we know how much
27:38
Speaker 13: damage that would do to our economy. It's almost a
27:41
Speaker 13: matter of insurance about moving early and taking that risk
27:46
Speaker 13: out of the economy. But it doesn't seem to be
27:48
Speaker 13: something they're prepared to do, Warren.
27:51
Speaker 1: We seem to get economic figures every day. There was
27:53
Speaker 1: some strong business investment data that came out today, well
27:57
Speaker 1: above RBA and government expectation, showing that the private sector
28:01
Speaker 1: recovery is building up momentum. I mean this is also
28:05
Speaker 1: a problem, isn't it when government spending is so high.
28:10
Speaker 13: Well, that's right, we have this new economy that's all
28:13
Speaker 13: related to the demographic shift with the retirement of the
28:17
Speaker 13: baby boomers, where we have capacity constraints, which is really
28:20
Speaker 13: all about not having enough people to do all the
28:23
Speaker 13: jobs that we have in our economy. So the RBA
28:26
Speaker 13: thinks that means the speed limit of the economy is
28:29
Speaker 13: growth of about two percent. Now, when the government is
28:32
Speaker 13: growing at well over that rate, that means that to
28:35
Speaker 13: have a non inflationary economy, you have to have the
28:38
Speaker 13: private sector growing at less than that rate. And of
28:42
Speaker 13: course what we're seeing and I think everyone would applaud this,
28:45
Speaker 13: and even the government that sells are saying this is
28:47
Speaker 13: a great thing, is that the private sectors come back
28:49
Speaker 13: with a vengeance both consumers and now more evidence that
28:52
Speaker 13: businesses are investing. And of course this is the key
28:55
Speaker 13: to our future. You can see from the Nvidia results
28:58
Speaker 13: overnight what a massive revolution we're seeing in supercomputing and
29:04
Speaker 13: artificial intelligence. It's the real deal, and businesses are going
29:09
Speaker 13: to be at the leading edge of applying that to
29:11
Speaker 13: everyday life and raising the living standards of all of
29:14
Speaker 13: our citizens. This is going to take five ten years,
29:18
Speaker 13: but it needs to have space to happen. And if
29:21
Speaker 13: every time the business sector invests it knocks inflation up
29:26
Speaker 13: a it's the cost of living problem. It's hurting everyday Australians.
29:29
Speaker 13: But b Eventually it's going to result in the RBA
29:31
Speaker 13: having to raise rates a lot. So the government needs
29:33
Speaker 13: to pull back, not just even restrain itself, it needs
29:36
Speaker 13: to pull back and make way for the private sector.
29:40
Speaker 1: I look at the financial press every day and you
29:45
Speaker 1: see a company like Wise Tech saying that they're going
29:48
Speaker 1: to lay off two thousand people. I mean, not all
29:50
Speaker 1: of them in Australia. It's a global layoff because they're
29:53
Speaker 1: going to now start using AI to write their codes.
30:00
Speaker 1: That's a worry. You've got job jobs being offshore to
30:03
Speaker 1: call centers in the Philippines. I mean, at some point
30:06
Speaker 1: this is going to bite into the unemployment figures, is
30:09
Speaker 1: it not. The unemployments figures are going to start to rise.
30:14
Speaker 13: Well, I think that's right. I mean, the reality is
30:17
Speaker 13: we cannot put this technology back in the box. It's
30:20
Speaker 13: here and it's a global, highly connected world, and businesses
30:24
Speaker 13: are getting a very strong incentive to utilize it because
30:27
Speaker 13: labor costs are so high, and of course you can
30:31
Speaker 13: deal with labor shortages in a number of ways you
30:34
Speaker 13: can offshore. That was very much the root of the
30:36
Speaker 13: Japanese immigration doesn't work in the sense that it brings
30:42
Speaker 13: demand with it. That is, it creates demand for housing
30:44
Speaker 13: and we've got issues there because of the surge in
30:46
Speaker 13: our population, and so we really need to embrace this
30:51
Speaker 13: rather than resist it. And what it means is that
30:54
Speaker 13: the displaced workers, whether it's sort of five or ten
30:57
Speaker 13: percent of our workforce, over the next decade, the emphasis
31:00
Speaker 13: needs to be on reskilling and retraining them for the
31:03
Speaker 13: roles where we know there are thousands, hundreds of thousands
31:06
Speaker 13: of jobs right now and everything from hospitality to construction,
31:09
Speaker 13: to health, education, the lot. And we've got to have
31:13
Speaker 13: a flexibility in our economy to deal with this. But
31:16
Speaker 13: if we resist it, then we actually resist the capacity
31:20
Speaker 13: to invest and bring this productivity lifting investment into our economy.
31:25
Speaker 13: This is why America is succeeding because there's such a
31:27
Speaker 13: flexible economy, probably more flexible than most Australians would like
31:31
Speaker 13: to see. But we've always been able to find the
31:33
Speaker 13: happy ground between being like America and being like socialist
31:36
Speaker 13: Europe and being pragmatic about it. But we're very much
31:39
Speaker 13: tipping towards the European model and losing that ability to
31:43
Speaker 13: get on that innovation wave that's coming.
31:47
Speaker 1: Larren. Just finally, men, Phil Courrie in the Financial Review
31:50
Speaker 1: gets some pretty good mail. I think he wrote today
31:54
Speaker 1: that this capital gains tax discount debate that has been
31:58
Speaker 1: set off by Jim Charmers and and allowed to float around.
32:01
Speaker 1: He said that he thought that it might be cut
32:04
Speaker 1: from fifty percent discount, not down to twenty five like
32:07
Speaker 1: it's been speculated, but to thirty three. What's your best
32:11
Speaker 1: guess on what Charmers is going to do in the
32:13
Speaker 1: budget around that?
32:15
Speaker 13: I really don't know. I see this is all a
32:17
Speaker 13: complete side show. The fact is is that the only
32:21
Speaker 13: way it's going to have a big impact, and probably
32:23
Speaker 13: a negative one, is if they do not grandfather it,
32:26
Speaker 13: or that is, they don't just start it as of now,
32:30
Speaker 13: and of course if it's only just starting now, it's
32:32
Speaker 13: going to take years to have its impact. So look,
32:34
Speaker 13: the main game for our economy is much bigger than
32:36
Speaker 13: the CGT. It's going to have a political headline to it,
32:39
Speaker 13: and really, in the end, we know what it is.
32:41
Speaker 13: It's government's trying to raise revenue to justify their exploding
32:44
Speaker 13: cost base, which is partly because of inflation and partly
32:47
Speaker 13: because their programs are growing at a much faster pace
32:51
Speaker 13: in terms of usage than they thought. So it's a
32:53
Speaker 13: sideshow to the big issues in our economy, but it'll
32:56
Speaker 13: capture the attention and it's all about raising revenue.
33:01
Speaker 1: Yeah, they certainly need to do that. Warren, thanks a lot,
33:03
Speaker 1: of course, do you soon now coming up after the break,
33:05
Speaker 1: what those on the inside of those Syrian camps where
33:08
Speaker 1: the isis women are being held along with their children,
33:12
Speaker 1: are saying, plus a shocking revelation about Australia's most notorious terrorists.
33:17
Speaker 1: I'll have all of that shortly. Welcome back. Talk to
33:23
Speaker 1: the panel in a moment. About that remarkable nearly two
33:25
Speaker 1: hour speech State of the Union speech by Donald Trump.
33:29
Speaker 1: I watched most of it. It was just extraordinary. We'll get
33:31
Speaker 1: to the panel on that shortly. I want to get
33:33
Speaker 1: the latest though on the ISIS bride Saga and the
33:36
Speaker 1: head of Syria's Rose internment camp. Now she's told The
33:39
Speaker 1: Australian Today that two additional ISIS women considered to be
33:43
Speaker 1: extremists are being held separately to the cohort that you've
33:47
Speaker 1: heard so much about. You've seen the pictures of them
33:50
Speaker 1: wearing their sunglasses and the he jabs and trying to
33:53
Speaker 1: disguise their identity. Now, at this stage, authorities are unclear
33:57
Speaker 1: on if these two are actually Australians, or rather if
34:00
Speaker 1: they actually married. Australian ISIS fighters joining us now regular
34:05
Speaker 1: on the Credline program from AFP Detective Superintendent David Craig. David,
34:10
Speaker 1: good to see you. It's very hard to work out
34:13
Speaker 1: exactly what's going on in that camp. I note today
34:17
Speaker 1: that the women themselves have allowed their children to be
34:22
Speaker 1: quoted and filmed in an attempt it would seem to
34:26
Speaker 1: me to try and soften this soften us up here
34:29
Speaker 1: in Australia as to why they should come back.
34:33
Speaker 11: Oh.
34:33
Speaker 5: Absolutely, it's a manipulation by the media and it works
34:36
Speaker 5: because you know, most people are a child friendly family people,
34:42
Speaker 5: and no one likes to see in us and child
34:44
Speaker 5: being swept up into something like this. I also don't
34:47
Speaker 5: like seeing a murderer being locked away from their child either.
34:51
Speaker 5: But if these women are not suitable for the Australian community,
34:53
Speaker 5: then they shouldn't be brought back to Australia. I do
34:59
Speaker 5: notice Steve that there's a comment about their behavior in
35:03
Speaker 5: the detension camp has not been extreme. Well, first of all,
35:07
Speaker 5: this is not extreme in Syria. And secondly, when you
35:11
Speaker 5: look in anyone that is incarcerated, whether they're a murderer
35:15
Speaker 5: or a bank robber or whatever, rapist, whatever, their behavior
35:19
Speaker 5: is fine because they're incarcerated. That's why they're there. When
35:23
Speaker 5: these women allowed the freedom back in Australian society untethered
35:28
Speaker 5: if that, and I hope it doesn't happen. If that happens,
35:32
Speaker 5: that's when we will see a return to the behavior
35:34
Speaker 5: that they had before, which was a commitment to a
35:37
Speaker 5: terrorist ideology that they travel across the world to support.
35:42
Speaker 5: So now if they'll convert coerce to it into it,
35:46
Speaker 5: then it can happen again, and they could be used
35:49
Speaker 5: as innocent vessels of transmitting the hatred of terrorism. What
35:54
Speaker 5: I'm saying is these women, if they're not Australian citizens,
35:59
Speaker 5: they should not come back to Australia. If they are,
36:01
Speaker 5: they should be on a temporary exclusion order until an
36:05
Speaker 5: assessment is made and control orders are in place. Just
36:08
Speaker 5: like someone coming out of prison, they come back to
36:11
Speaker 5: Australia with control orders monitoring them, so as they integrate
36:15
Speaker 5: back into society, there's very little risk to the Australian community.
36:21
Speaker 1: Do we have the resources if they come back here
36:23
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on them? Mean, we know how
36:25
Speaker 1: stretched our our AFP is, we know how stretched our
36:29
Speaker 1: security forces are. I mean that'd be a hell of
36:32
Speaker 1: a job. You're talking about eleven women, maybe potentially twelve
36:36
Speaker 1: or thirteen. I mean, how do you keep an eye
36:38
Speaker 1: on all of them? And they're going to be scattered
36:39
Speaker 1: across the country. We heard yesterday David that you know,
36:43
Speaker 1: third of them are going to come to Victoria, to
36:45
Speaker 1: Melbourne and the rest presumably might be in Sydney, but
36:47
Speaker 1: they can go anywhere. How do you keep an eye
36:49
Speaker 1: on them?
36:51
Speaker 5: Look, it's so resource intensive. I mean, I don't think
36:54
Speaker 5: they should come back under control orders. I think that
36:56
Speaker 5: if there's any way we can hold them in a bayance,
36:59
Speaker 5: that should be taken. I mean, the primary purpose of
37:05
Speaker 5: a government is to protect the Australian community. Now when
37:08
Speaker 5: there's a proven link to the commitment to a terrorist organization,
37:12
Speaker 5: these women went over to support an Islamic war. Let's
37:15
Speaker 5: not miss that. Where there's that proven link. Even if
37:19
Speaker 5: they come back and the probability is very low that
37:22
Speaker 5: something will manifest, the consequences of that manifesting is very high.
37:27
Speaker 5: And in national security, a low probability and a high
37:30
Speaker 5: consequence should not be dismissed.
37:34
Speaker 1: And you've had no we have no idea of how
37:37
Speaker 1: the older of the children may have been influenced by
37:41
Speaker 1: what they've learned in the camp, particularly the male children
37:45
Speaker 1: who would be presumably mixing with you know, other boys
37:49
Speaker 1: just older than them or young men. I mean, they're
37:52
Speaker 1: not sitting around in the camp. They're playing cards and
37:55
Speaker 1: having a lovely time. I mean, they would feel that
37:58
Speaker 1: they've been locked up unfairly and there would be a
38:01
Speaker 1: sense I presume of anger from them.
38:05
Speaker 5: Of course, their fathers and uncles and friends have been
38:08
Speaker 5: killed by the West and now they're wanting to come
38:10
Speaker 5: back to the West and live within that society. Of course,
38:13
Speaker 5: they're going to most likely hold hostile feelings. I mean,
38:17
Speaker 5: we've seen the fourteen to seventeen year olds in Sydney
38:21
Speaker 5: gay bashing people by people supporting Isis. By young kids.
38:26
Speaker 5: I mean, we say children, but and your mind just
38:28
Speaker 5: turns to an innocent young child. But a teenager raised
38:32
Speaker 5: in a is Islamic state environment, which some of these
38:35
Speaker 5: children have been. The potential risk is very real, and
38:40
Speaker 5: it's a generational thing that we could be paying for
38:42
Speaker 5: for some time unless this government gets it right.
38:47
Speaker 1: David, thanks for joining us. I really appreciate it. Just
38:49
Speaker 1: speaking about these terrorists and men. Abdul ben Breeker, who's
38:52
Speaker 1: one of our worst. He's still in jail, but he's
38:55
Speaker 1: now not going to be under total supervision. This is
38:58
Speaker 1: a guy who's threatened, for God's sake, to blow up
39:01
Speaker 1: the MCG and we're now letting him wander about apparently
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Speaker 1: in unsupervised attention. I mean, seriously, we need a good,
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Speaker 1: looked hard look at ourselves. After the break, all eyes
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Speaker 1: are on Iran. What might Donald Trump do next? As
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Speaker 1: nuclear talks look to falter. I'll have Kosher Gada and
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Speaker 1: Michael Danby here with me. Welcome back, Andrew Bole coming
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Speaker 1: up at the top of the hour, let's get into
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Speaker 1: what's making news overseas well, Scott and news contributor Kosher
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Speaker 1: Garda joined US former Labor MP Michael Danby. Welcome to
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Speaker 1: you both, Kosher. What's going to happen in Iran? Do
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Speaker 1: we know the US military? I mean, the build up
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Speaker 1: has been extraordinary. We've now got a whole bunch of
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Speaker 1: embassies telling the diplomats that they should get out, including
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Speaker 1: our own. They're talking about getting out of Israel, getting
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Speaker 1: out of Jordan, all of those countries. Can we predict it?
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Speaker 11: If only? And I think that is the intention. The
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Speaker 11: military fleet that the Trump administration has deployed as the strongest,
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Speaker 11: most powerful that it's ever been in that region in
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Speaker 11: a long time. Simultaneously, their diplomatic talks happening as we
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Speaker 11: speak in Geneva be mediated by Oman. We know two things.
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Speaker 11: Trump actually said this in his State of Union history,
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Speaker 11: that he does not want around to get a nuclear weapon.
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Speaker 11: That's a red line for him. Also that he doesn't
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Speaker 11: want to get sucked into a big kinetic quagmire. And
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Speaker 11: so that's the balancing act. I think he's really trying
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Speaker 11: to put pressure, economic pressure, diplomatic pressure, and hope that
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Speaker 11: maybe a few strikes here and there will avert anything larger.
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Speaker 11: But they're in position.
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Speaker 1: Well, it's become about the nuclear capability now, whereas when
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Speaker 1: we started all of this it was about regime change
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Speaker 1: and the slaughter of innocent Iranians, children, men, women in
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Speaker 1: the streets thousands.
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Speaker 3: Or probably thirty five thousand.
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Speaker 1: Trump doesn't any longer seem so concerned about getting rid
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Speaker 1: of harmony or getting rid of nuclear weapons.
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Speaker 3: This may all be a cover that the gerald Ford
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Speaker 3: is in. I looked on shipchat tracker just before I
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Speaker 3: came in, Steve, and it's in the American military based
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Speaker 3: suitor in Greece. When we see it move south through
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Speaker 3: the Red Sea to be off Iran, that's when the
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Speaker 3: big game's on. Prime Minister of India Modi is in Israel.
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Speaker 3: This is his second day of his state visit, so
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Speaker 3: I don't think President Trump will have the Iranian missiles
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Speaker 3: landing on Israel while Modi's there, So it's a few
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Speaker 3: days off. But I think the Raisin Kine claim that
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Speaker 3: he was four a half baked attack on Iran is wrong,
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Speaker 3: and I think the President will shoot the dice and
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Speaker 3: go for a major attack on the military basis, the
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Speaker 3: Iranian nuclear facilities and above all ebilistic missiles.
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Speaker 1: An air war, presumably coaching because Donald Trump got re
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Speaker 1: elected this time saying that we don't want American boots
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Speaker 1: on the ground in only it's not going to be
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Speaker 1: American boys getting shot and die.
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Speaker 11: He's been saying that for fifteen years.
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Speaker 1: So the Marga base with explode.
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Speaker 11: Even this they don't love because they just think you're
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Speaker 11: on a slippery slope that could lead to that. But
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Speaker 11: he has shown that he's very happy to launch bombs
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Speaker 11: to surgical strikes in and out, and I wouldn't be
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Speaker 11: surprised if we see something like that.
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Speaker 1: So he will just use his air resources, presumer.
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Speaker 3: But in your comment then was a very revealing point, Steve.
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Speaker 3: It's the magabase that he's worried about. He's looking behind
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Speaker 3: his shoulder about whether American foreign policy is going to
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Speaker 3: go in this direction or that direction, depending on domestic politics.
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Speaker 3: So that's good or bad, depending on your point of view.
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Speaker 1: And at the same time, we've still got we're now
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Speaker 1: going into the fifth year of the Ukraine War. I mean,
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Speaker 1: clearly Putin is playing him on a string. I mean,
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Speaker 1: he's not going to back off at all. He had
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Speaker 1: a lot of mere Zelensky on the phone. I think
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Speaker 1: in the last twenty four hours, Zelenski's saying, look, we're
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Speaker 1: not going to give up territory. Trump keeps talking about
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Speaker 1: the thousands of people have been killed. I mean, while
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Speaker 1: we concentrate on Iran, people seem to have almost forgotten Ukraine.
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Speaker 11: Well, multiple fronts, and that was famous on the campaign.
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Speaker 11: He had said in twenty four hours, I'll end this
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Speaker 11: and you know that's coming gone, or he kept.
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Speaker 1: Saying yesterday's ended nine war was quite Curtains lost, Curtain's
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Speaker 1: lost more people than he's put In recruits this last
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Speaker 1: two months.
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Speaker 3: So the casualties there are getting massive. The Ukrainians have
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Speaker 3: developed drone warfare that they're now exporting all over the
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Speaker 3: world in the middle of a war. It's amazing part
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Speaker 3: and they've pushed the Russians back in the south in
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Speaker 3: Zapparisia where the nuclear power station is, so the Ukrainians
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Speaker 3: may end this war by their own power. And because
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Speaker 3: the Americans are not giving them any weapons, they're even
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Speaker 3: blocking the Germans selling and Patriot missiles. The Europeans have
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Speaker 3: to pay for all of this and then they give.
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Speaker 1: It to you. Thinukrainians going to run out of cattle though,
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Speaker 1: I mean he seems to. He's paying conscripts to go
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Speaker 1: and fight.
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Speaker 11: I mean he has a deeper bench JUSTI was a
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Speaker 11: sheer number and the population of that country. And we've
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Speaker 11: always talked about this, the strategic asymmetry of he feels
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Speaker 11: this is existential. He can find a lot more juice
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Speaker 11: in the can at some point everybody has their limit.
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Speaker 11: But this is much more strategically important to him.
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Speaker 3: But if he has to call mobilization of young men
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Speaker 3: in Saint Petersburg and Moscow, he's in real trouble because
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Speaker 3: that's the elite and they don't want to go to all.
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about this amazing speech that happened yesterday. You
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Speaker 1: were on the sky panel, so you set through the
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Speaker 1: whole thing. I wasn't on the panel. I was at home,
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Speaker 1: and I still set through it. I couldn't take my
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Speaker 1: eyes off it. He talked the country up. I mean,
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Speaker 1: his enthusiasm about the economy and how the share market's
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Speaker 1: on fire and America is the hottest country in the
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Speaker 1: world at the moment, is it.
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Speaker 11: Look, he's a showman, and he's great at giving speeches,
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Speaker 11: and very few people, as you say, can command attention
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Speaker 11: for almost two hours the way he can and never
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Speaker 11: gets old. He is in terms of pulling a little
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Speaker 11: bit underwater right now, especially on the economy. Fairly unfairly
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Speaker 11: things take time to turn around, and it is not
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Speaker 11: trickling down into the pocketbooks of the everyday person.
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Speaker 1: And he knows that.
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Speaker 11: And back to our earlier discussion, there is this perception
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Speaker 11: that he is spending too much time on foreign policy
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Speaker 11: that's the world he inherited, and not enough on domestic
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Speaker 11: Let's probably.
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Speaker 1: Why he wanted to concentrate on local issues. Let's have
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Speaker 1: a look at that where he compares his presidential You know,
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Speaker 1: the advantages he's given Americans to what the Democrats did.
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Speaker 14: You've seen nothing yet We're going to do better and
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Speaker 14: better and better. This is the Golden Age of America.
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Speaker 14: But I last spoke in this chamber twelve months ago.
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Speaker 14: I had just inherited a nation in crisis, with a
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Speaker 14: stagnant economy, inflation at record levels, a wide open border,
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Speaker 14: horrendous recruitment for military and police. After just one year,
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Speaker 14: I can say with dignity and pride that we have
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Speaker 14: achieved a transformation like no one has ever seen before,
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Speaker 14: and a turnaround for the ages.
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Speaker 1: Michael, the golden age of America, I thought that might
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Speaker 1: have been the fifties and the sixties. But Donald Trump's
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Speaker 1: claiming it. Is he right?
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Speaker 3: I think John F. Kennedy in nineteen sixty three before
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Speaker 3: the assassination was the golden era. But the economy is
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Speaker 3: doing well in some sectors. The problem for him is
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Speaker 3: his opposition is motivated, and it's a voluntary voting system
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Speaker 3: in the United States, and the heavy handedness in Minneapolis
46:21
Speaker 3: has motivated a lot of Democrats against their deportation policy,
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Speaker 3: even though the same people are in favor of getting
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Speaker 3: rid of criminals who are illegal aliens. So he's going
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Speaker 3: to have the test will be the midterms that are
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Speaker 3: coming up and at the moment, as Kosher said, because
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Speaker 3: of the polling, it doesn't look like he's going to
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Speaker 3: win that. So they're going to really have to put
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Speaker 3: him out front with that message, and you make a
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Speaker 3: choice in your local election donald Trump or someone else.
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Speaker 1: I saw Kosher yesterday that his chief of staff has
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Speaker 1: said that we want Donald Trump front and center during
46:55
Speaker 1: these midterm elections because we want people to vote to
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Speaker 1: have him as it's almost like a quasi presidential election.
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Speaker 11: It's tricky because history shows when he is not on
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Speaker 11: the ballot, Republicans don't do as well. There is a
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Speaker 11: Republican factor, but it's really the Trump factor, and he's
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Speaker 11: not on the ballot, even though they're going to try
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Speaker 11: to do that. But I think the argument that they
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Speaker 11: are going to make, certainly to the Republican base, is
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Speaker 11: he is on the ballot insofar as if they lose
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Speaker 11: the House the Republicans, it will be two years of
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Speaker 11: impeachment and his entire agenda will be stalled and everybody
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Speaker 11: knows it. So in that, I think that's the story.
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Speaker 1: The whole lame duck argument.
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Speaker 11: Yeah, and worse, they're going to try to impeach him.
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Speaker 11: Make no mistake.
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Speaker 1: He made one great point yesterday that he said, and
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Speaker 1: I have in fact checked this, so I'm not sure
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Speaker 1: if it's right that one hundred percent of the jobs
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Speaker 1: that have been created in the last twelve months we're
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Speaker 1: in the private sector, Michael as opposed to Australia, where
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Speaker 1: we're creating one hundred percent of our jobs in the
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Speaker 1: public sector by fattening up the public service.
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Speaker 3: And fifty percent of people against Paul Keating and Bob
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Speaker 3: hawks Wishes are now on taking government receipts. So that's
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Speaker 3: the difference between the two societies. He has had a
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Speaker 3: lot of federal government jobs too, which he would say
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Speaker 3: is cost savings for the American taxpayer.
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Speaker 1: Well, I wish that we could have a budget speech
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Speaker 1: like that in Australia, but I don't think Jim Charmers
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Speaker 1: is quite up to Donald Trump. Thank you both for
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Speaker 1: coming in. Appreciate you very much. Thanks for your company. Tonight,
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Speaker 1: I should point out at midnight tonight in Victoria, you
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Speaker 1: do adult crime, you'll do adult time in jail that
48:23
Speaker 1: kicks in at midnight tonight. I'm going to have a
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Speaker 1: look at that on the program tomorrow, because I mean,
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Speaker 1: do we really seriously think that the magistrates and the
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Speaker 1: judges are going to change overnight. I find that extremely
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Speaker 1: hard to believe. Andrew Bolts up next