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Legally Brunette: Witches Who Kill - The Case of Sydney Loofe · Legally Brunette

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  Speaker 1: Hi, guys.
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  Speaker 2: Welcome to Legally Brunette. I'll be your host today, Emily
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  Speaker 2: Simpson with.
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  Speaker 1: Shane.
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  Speaker 2: Hi, Shane.
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  Speaker 1: Hi.
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  Speaker 2: How you doing?
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: All right. You ready to talk about this case? It's
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  Speaker 2: actually a documentary that came out recently. I believe it's
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  Speaker 2: on Hulu called Swipe Right on the Devil. And a
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  Speaker 2: lot of people have been sending me DMs asking me
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  Speaker 2: if we were going to talk about it.
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  Speaker 1: Is swipe right like you like the person, like you
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  Speaker 1: want them? Or is it swipe left? Because then that
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  Speaker 1: matters in this title.
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  Speaker 2: I think swipe left is if you're not interested.
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  Speaker 1: Oh, swipe right.
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  Speaker 2: And swipe right is if you are interested.
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  Speaker 1: So swipe right on the devil?
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  Speaker 2: Yes, but I have never done any kind of swiping
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  Speaker 2: because I've been married to you for the past 18 years.
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  Speaker 2: That's good. And so there's been no swiping in my life.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Let's get into this case. So in November
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  Speaker 2: of 2017, 24 year old Sydney Loof was a cashier
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  Speaker 2: in Lincoln, Nebraska, hoping a new medication and a new
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  Speaker 2: relationship might mean better days ahead. When she matched with
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  Speaker 2: a woman named Audrey on Tinder, she told a friend
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  Speaker 2: she might have just met her dream girl. But the
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  Speaker 2: morning after their second date, she had missed her shift.
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  Speaker 2: Her phone had gone dark and her cat was home alone.
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  Speaker 2: As police raced to find her, a determined friend created
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  Speaker 2: her own Tinder account to track down the mystery woman.
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  Speaker 2: What she helped uncover led investigators to a basement apartment
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  Speaker 2: in a tiny Nebraska town, a trail of stolen antiques,
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  Speaker 2: and three young women with chilling stories about fake names,
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  Speaker 2: strict rules, and talk of witches. What happened the night
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  Speaker 2: Sydney vanished? And when the story keeps changing, who can
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  Speaker 2: you believe? Are you intrigued?
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  Speaker 1: I don't really like talking about witches because you like
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  Speaker 1: talking about witches.
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  Speaker 2: I don't like talking about witches.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, you're always fascinated with witchery and stuff.
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  Speaker 2: No, I'm fascinated by strange people. And this is a
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  Speaker 2: very bizarre story. And do you know what it's called
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  Speaker 2: when you have a lot of witches? A group of witches?
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  Speaker 1: No. A herd of witches?
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  Speaker 2: No, it's not a herd of witches. It's a coven.
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  Speaker 1: Oh.
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  Speaker 2: So we're going to talk about that.
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  Speaker 1: And how do you know this? Because you and your
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  Speaker 1: friends get together. No. Are you a coven?
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  Speaker 2: No. Coven?
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  Speaker 1: C-O-V-E-N? Yes.
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  Speaker 2: C-O-V-E-N.
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  Speaker 1: Yes. Yes.
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  Speaker 2: When my friends and I get together, we're a coven
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  Speaker 2: of witches.
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  Speaker 1: Yes.
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  Speaker 2: Thank you for saying that. So we're going to go
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  Speaker 2: back to the fall of 2016. This is Aubrey Trail.
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  Speaker 2: And this is when he met Bailey Boswell. These are
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  Speaker 2: our main players. So we have Sidney Loof, who ends
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  Speaker 2: up disappearing. We have Aubrey Trail. Aubrey is a man,
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  Speaker 2: by the way.
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  Speaker 1: So Sidney and Aubrey. Female and male.
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  Speaker 2: And then Aubrey Trail, this is back in 2016, meets
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  Speaker 2: Bailey Boswell in St. Joseph, Missouri. Bailey Boswell found him
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  Speaker 2: through a website called Backpage while seeking a sugar daddy. Now,
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  Speaker 2: I'd have to say I've never heard of Backpage.
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  Speaker 1: I have.
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  Speaker 2: You have?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, because it's Ashton Kutcher did everything. I remember... That's
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  Speaker 1: how it came out. He was really against it and
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  Speaker 1: trying to shut it down.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, but why?
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  Speaker 1: A lot of sex trafficking, sex work on there.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, well, that would make sense. It's more than just
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  Speaker 2: like a sugar daddy. There was actual like criminal activity
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  Speaker 2: that was associated.
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  Speaker 1: It's like a nasty Craigslist.
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  Speaker 2: A nasty Craigslist. Yes. Oh, all right.
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  Speaker 1: Like anything goes. That's why I know because Ashton Kutcher,
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  Speaker 1: I think Demi Moore at the time, like 15 years ago,
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  Speaker 1: were really anti-Backpage.
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  Speaker 2: I never heard of it until this documentary. All right,
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  Speaker 2: then in June of 2017, Aubrey moved Bailey Boswell into
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  Speaker 2: his apartment in Wilbur, Nebraska. All right, so then we
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  Speaker 2: get to 2017. This is when Sydney becomes involved. So
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  Speaker 2: Bailey Boswell creates a fake profile on Tinder. Sydney and Audrey,
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  Speaker 2: this is her fake alias that she created, meet, and
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  Speaker 2: they begin messaging on November 11th. Sydney had recently seen
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  Speaker 2: a doctor about her depression and having a new anxiety medication.
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  Speaker 2: So Aubrey Trail is the man in this situation. And
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  Speaker 2: then Bailey Boswell is the girl that they meet on
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  Speaker 2: this back page.
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  Speaker 1: Why don't you just refer to her as Bailey since
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  Speaker 1: that's her name?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's important that you know that when she's
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  Speaker 2: on Tinder, she's using all these aliases to connect with
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  Speaker 2: other women. So then Sydney ends up going on a date.
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  Speaker 2: She thinks her name's Audrey, but this is really Bailey Boswell.
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  Speaker 2: And they're driving around Lincoln for nearly two hours. Afterwards,
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  Speaker 2: Sydney reaches out to a friend and tells her that
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  Speaker 2: she'd been on a date with a very cute girl.
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  Speaker 2: She sends like a screenshot of this girl that she
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  Speaker 2: matched with on Tinder.
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  Speaker 1: Mm-mm. All right.
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  Speaker 2: Then they go on a second date. This is November 15th.
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  Speaker 2: So they go on two, she goes on two dates
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  Speaker 2: with this girl back to back, November 14th, November 15th. Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So the second date, Sydney goes to work on the
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  Speaker 2: day that they have the second date and she arrives
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  Speaker 2: at her workplace, which is Menards. Aubrey is actually caught
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  Speaker 2: on the surveillance video. You can actually see it. They
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  Speaker 2: show it in the documentary. He walks into Menards and
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  Speaker 2: you can actually see them walk past each other.
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  Speaker 1: Do they know who each other are at the time?
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  Speaker 2: I don't think so. They don't look at each other
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  Speaker 2: or make eye contact or anything, but you can see
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  Speaker 2: them pass each other. So Aubrey and Sydney walk past
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  Speaker 2: each other on the surveillance video. Aubrey walked right past
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  Speaker 2: her and she did not recognize him, which means that
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  Speaker 2: she did not meet him on that first date. So
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  Speaker 2: she doesn't know who he is. Phone records show that
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  Speaker 2: he had called Bailey, who was sitting in the parking lot.
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  Speaker 2: He continues, this is while he's at Menards, he buys Drano,
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  Speaker 2: cotton cord, And an air freshener, among other things.
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  Speaker 1: You know, no one should be buying Drano with other
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  Speaker 1: items that are unrelated to clearing out the plumbing. Like,
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  Speaker 1: it doesn't... It's not like you had a shopping cart
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  Speaker 1: full of groceries and Drano. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: They also, the day of... This is the second day.
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  Speaker 2: They also, this is Bailey and Aubrey, had stopped at
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  Speaker 2: a Home Depot. They buy a hacksaw, blades... 10 snips,
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  Speaker 2: drop cloths, and a utility knife.
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  Speaker 1: And this is in November. When is this?
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  Speaker 2: This is the second date. This is November 15th. This
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  Speaker 2: is when.
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  Speaker 1: So after Halloween, I was just wondering, because we're around Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: If you bought this stuff during Halloween, then you could
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  Speaker 1: just make it like you were.
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  Speaker 2: Oh, you mean if someone wants to do like a.
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  Speaker 1: Just into the dark arts of Halloween.
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  Speaker 2: The dark arts of Halloween.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: All right. So that afternoon, Bailey bought bleach, trash bags
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  Speaker 2: and laundry detergent at Dollar General. So they went on
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  Speaker 2: a shopping trip this day before the second date. So
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  Speaker 2: they went to Home Depot and they buy all these things.
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  Speaker 2: They go to Menards and they buy Drano. And then
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  Speaker 2: Bailey goes and buys bleach, trash bags and laundry detergent
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  Speaker 2: at Dollar General. Then around 6.01 p.m., Sydney leaves work.
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  Speaker 2: This was the last time that she was seen on video.
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  Speaker 2: Bailey's final message told Sydney that she had arrived. I
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  Speaker 2: believe she arrives at her apartment around 8.32. And then
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  Speaker 2: Sydney was taken to Bailey and Aubrey's apartment. Here's the
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  Speaker 2: part where I don't know. And I feel like there
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  Speaker 2: wasn't a lot of details about it. Because they do
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  Speaker 2: state that Sydney, they found in Sydney's apartment, they found
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  Speaker 2: her purse. I believe she left her purse behind.
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  Speaker 1: They always leave their stuff behind.
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  Speaker 2: But then it makes me think.
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  Speaker 1: The ones that. They supposedly run away. They're like, I
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  Speaker 1: don't know. She just vanished without anything. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So she goes on a second date. And I know
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  Speaker 2: that she is willing to go on the second date
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  Speaker 2: with just Bailey Boswell. But Bailey and Aubrey Trail show
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  Speaker 2: up together. So I don't know what happened at her apartment. Like,
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  Speaker 2: did they take her by force?
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  Speaker 1: How did the third person... Like under what circumstances?
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  Speaker 2: Right. And I mean, if they're both in the car
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  Speaker 2: together and they're there at her apartment, she thinks she's
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  Speaker 2: just going on a date with this girl. And he's
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  Speaker 2: there as well. And her purse is left behind. Even
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  Speaker 2: though I do know she had, I believe she had
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  Speaker 2: her cell phone and credit card on her.
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  Speaker 1: A million. It could have been a million things. It
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  Speaker 1: could have been like, oh, I'm just going to drop
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  Speaker 1: him off somewhere. Or it could have been like. you know,
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  Speaker 1: do you want to join us? And they were like chit-chatting.
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  Speaker 1: I mean, it could have been anything. Right.
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  Speaker 2: So anyway, at 8.32 PM, Sydney gets picked up. I
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  Speaker 2: don't know if it's by force or if she willingly
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  Speaker 2: gets in the car or if she thinks she's going
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  Speaker 2: somewhere with both of them or I don't know. But anyway,
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  Speaker 2: she is taken to Bailey and Aubrey's apartment. They live
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  Speaker 2: in this house in Nebraska that they rent the bottom of.
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  Speaker 2: And so they show this home in the documentary. So
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  Speaker 2: it's like a family lives upstairs.
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  Speaker 1: In like a normal They're renting the basement.
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  Speaker 2: They're renting the basement. And so she's taken to this
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  Speaker 2: basement apartment. Her phone is turned off roughly 24 minutes
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  Speaker 2: after she arrives. So that's the last data they have
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  Speaker 2: of where she physically is. Then we get to the
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  Speaker 2: next day, which is November 16th. Sydney is supposed to
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  Speaker 2: show up at Menards the next day, right? She's a cashier.
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  Speaker 2: She doesn't show up for work. And immediately, her mother
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  Speaker 2: reports her missing. See, this is another thing where they
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  Speaker 2: went wrong when they were kidnapped Sydney or whatever it is,
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  Speaker 2: whatever the, how they got her into this apartment, but
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  Speaker 2: they picked someone who had family and friends that cared
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  Speaker 2: about her. And as we go on in this story,
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  Speaker 2: you can tell that they prey on women, but they
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  Speaker 2: prey on a certain type of woman. They, they prey
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  Speaker 2: on women that are vulnerable, that don't have family, that
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  Speaker 2: don't have connections.
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  Speaker 1: Well, that in their mind, in their mind, right?
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  Speaker 2: So I believe they pick Sydney as a victim and,
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  Speaker 2: And probably because she lived alone, maybe because she had
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  Speaker 2: told Bailey that she was on antidepressants or that she
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  Speaker 2: was struggling or that she worked at Menards and that
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  Speaker 2: wasn't great. She wanted to do something else with her life.
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  Speaker 1: They found her to be low-hanging fruit.
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  Speaker 2: Low-hanging fruit, exactly. But they were wrong because really the
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  Speaker 2: reason that they're caught and they're caught so quickly is
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  Speaker 2: because Sidney had a whole, you know, she had family
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  Speaker 2: that was very close to her. She had a very
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  Speaker 2: close-knit family. And she also had friends that were very
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  Speaker 2: invested in her life. And so as soon as she
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  Speaker 2: went missing, I mean, I feel like these other girls
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  Speaker 2: that they preyed on, if they went missing, it would
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  Speaker 2: probably take a while. There'd be more of a gap there, right?
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  Speaker 1: They'd have a running head start. Right.
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  Speaker 2: But they didn't in this case. So Sidney misses work
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  Speaker 2: at Menards. Her mother reports her missing. Her friend Brooklyn
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  Speaker 2: McChrystal knew that Sydney had gone out on a date
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  Speaker 2: the night before and So her friend, this girl was,
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  Speaker 2: her friend was actually very smart. She was like on it.
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  Speaker 2: As soon as she knew that her, that Sydney was missing,
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  Speaker 2: she created her own Tinder profile because remember Sydney had
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  Speaker 2: taken a screenshot of the girl she went out with
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  Speaker 2: that she had met, which was Bailey Boswell. She had
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  Speaker 2: sent her a screenshot of what she looked like, even
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  Speaker 2: though it was heavily filtered.
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  Speaker 1: So she had some lead on Tinder. So she went
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  Speaker 1: on Tinder.
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  Speaker 2: Right. So she creates a profile on Tinder and Because
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  Speaker 2: she wants to connect with this girl. Yeah. And she
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  Speaker 2: actually does. She gets this girl, Audrey, to actually.
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  Speaker 1: So it wasn't just she went on Tinder to get
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  Speaker 1: like the contact info. She went on Tinder to try
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  Speaker 1: to like investigate and go undercover.
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  Speaker 2: Well, she goes on to get Audrey's information, this girl
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  Speaker 2: that she knew Sydney had gone out with twice. So
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  Speaker 2: she creates a profile. She ends up getting a phone
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  Speaker 2: number and she sends it to police and gives the
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  Speaker 2: police this phone number.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: So Bailey's phone traveled 100 miles across Nebraska. She then
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  Speaker 2: bought more bleach, Drano, and trash bags. This is all
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  Speaker 2: on November 16th.
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  Speaker 1: I couldn't tell you the last time I bought bleach.
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  Speaker 1: And I could tell you that I never bought bleach
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  Speaker 1: and a hacksaw.
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  Speaker 2: And Drano?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: And those plastic drop sheets?
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  Speaker 1: I've done a lot of home projects. Yeah. It's never
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  Speaker 1: resulted in needing the combination of those things.
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  Speaker 2: You know, and we've talked about this before, but it's
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  Speaker 2: almost like when people buy things in that combination, like
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  Speaker 2: there should be some kind of alert or notification.
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  Speaker 1: They sure hide like the Sudafed behind glass and everything
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  Speaker 1: because they don't want kids to touch that stuff.
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  Speaker 2: Yeah. I get carded if I try to buy a
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  Speaker 2: Sudafed because I could have a meth lab at home.
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  Speaker 1: But a murder kit.
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  Speaker 2: But a murder kit. There's no, you don't have to add,
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  Speaker 2: you don't even have to have ID.
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  Speaker 1: Black Friday murder kits on sale. All right.
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  Speaker 2: So Aubrey and Bailey's home is searched. Um, Inside of
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  Speaker 2: their home, police found, this is interesting to me, I
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  Speaker 2: found this actually in an article, not in the documentary,
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  Speaker 2: but they found a BDSM dog leash, duct tape, and
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  Speaker 2: this is the most interesting for me.
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  Speaker 1: It's not a dog leash. Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: For a person, though. Yeah.
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  Speaker 1: Okay.
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  Speaker 2: All right. Also, they found a sauna suit with the
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  Speaker 2: crotch cut out.
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  Speaker 1: What's a sauna suit? What?
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  Speaker 2: Right. And why is the crotch cut out? Well, I
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  Speaker 2: know why.
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  Speaker 1: Don't they come with crotches cut out? So they could,
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  Speaker 1: they could relieve themselves.
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  Speaker 2: You think the crotch is cut out so they can
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  Speaker 2: just pee? You think that's what it's for?
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  Speaker 1: Yeah.
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  Speaker 2: Okay.
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  Speaker 1: Because by the time you put the sauna suit on,
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  Speaker 1: you don't want to have to take it off to urinate.
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  Speaker 2: Okay. All right. They found zip ties, a hatchet, a
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  Speaker 2: plastic drop cloth smeared with blood and And a book
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  Speaker 2: on human anatomy. The landlords had noticed a powerful bleach smell.
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  Speaker 1: So like a side hobby of theirs?
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  Speaker 2: Yeah, anatomy.
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  Speaker 1: Biology.
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  Speaker 2: Anatomy.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah, like to read on the human body.
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  Speaker 2: The landlords in the house up above the family had
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  Speaker 2: noticed a very powerful bleach smell. I guess the bleach
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  Speaker 2: smell was so overwhelming that it was making them... sick
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  Speaker 2: right the family up above and they were complaining about
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  Speaker 2: it and they were calling each other about it can.
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  Speaker 1: You imagine that you have renters downstairs and it turned
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  Speaker 1: out they just like kill people yeah and they use
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  Speaker 1: bleach to clean it up yeah and then you have
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  Speaker 1: to disclose that when you sell the home.
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  Speaker 2: Right or when you try to rent out the bottom
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  Speaker 2: unit again yeah yeah you're like by the.
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  Speaker 1: Way why did the former tenants move out oh well
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  Speaker 1: they they were they got 20 years to.
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  Speaker 2: Life yeah so they're not here.
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  Speaker 1: Yeah so they're unable to pay rent yeah they have
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  Speaker 1: a new place Aubrey.
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  Speaker 2: And Bailey stayed about an hour and a half outside
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  Speaker 2: of Lincoln, Nebraska, and they had another girl with them
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  Speaker 2: named Katie Brandel. She and Bailey were dating at the time.
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  Speaker 2: So there's a couple other women that they interview in
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  Speaker 2: this documentary that are also involved with this couple. So
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  Speaker 2: the main couple obviously is Aubrey Trail and Bailey Boswell,
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  Speaker 2: but they are, they're also con artists. So the way
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  Speaker 2: they make money is.
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  Speaker 1: By like, I think they, there's... Oh, you mean they
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  Speaker 1: don't have day jobs?
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  Speaker 2: No, they don't have day jobs. But yeah, she's a
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  Speaker 2: bank teller. No, they.
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  Speaker 1: She has vocational training. She's very qualified. He's a florist.
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  Speaker 2: Right, he's a florist.
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  Speaker 1: Right.
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  Speaker 2: They sell like gold coins and they fake people. They're
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  Speaker 2: just con artists. They also like steal antiques and sell
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  Speaker 2: antiques and trade it. They do all kinds of things
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  Speaker 2: to con people. I read a little bit about it,
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  Speaker 2: but it was hard for me to understand because it
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  Speaker 2: was actually pretty sophisticated with like fake documents and all
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  Speaker 2: kinds of things.
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  Speaker 1: So.
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  Speaker 2: Because they actually do.
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  Speaker 1: Have- You can't understand their financial crimes, but you can
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  Speaker 1: understand their murder crimes.
• 14:41
  Speaker 2: Well, that's more interesting to me. I'm not really, I mean,
• 14:43
  Speaker 2: I'm not so interested in how they sell gold coins
• 14:47
  Speaker 2: and fake people out with their fake documentation of their
• 14:50
  Speaker 2: gold coins and things like that. But they do that
• 14:53
  Speaker 2: to make money. And then they have money that they
• 14:55
  Speaker 2: give to these girls to stay with them. And they
• 14:59
  Speaker 2: give them like $ 200 a week or something and they
• 15:01
  Speaker 2: pay for stuff. And these are very vulnerable women with,
• 15:05
  Speaker 2: you know, not a lot going on in their lives
• 15:07
  Speaker 2: and not a close-knit family.
• 15:08
  Speaker 1: They see as an opportunity or something. Right.
• 15:11
  Speaker 2: So this girl, Katie, is involved in this relationship too.
• 15:15
  Speaker 2: So Katie Brandl began talking with Bailey Boswell, who was
• 15:19
  Speaker 2: using the name Kelsey at the time. What?
• 15:21
  Speaker 1: No one wants to use their names and everyone's doing
• 15:23
  Speaker 1: all these fake accounts?
• 15:24
  Speaker 2: Well, because, I mean, she's a con artist and she's
• 15:26
  Speaker 2: like trying to bring... Women into this, because they're trying
• 15:30
  Speaker 2: to make a witch coven. I don't know. I guess
• 15:33
  Speaker 2: they don't want to use their real names. I don't know.
• 15:36
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 15:36
  Speaker 2: So her name was Kelsey.
• 15:37
  Speaker 1: They have a rep to keep.
• 15:38
  Speaker 2: Yes.
• 15:39
  Speaker 1: They don't want to ruin it. All right.
• 15:40
  Speaker 2: So Katie Brandl met Bailey Boswell. They met at an
• 15:45
  Speaker 2: Ameristar casino. This is where she also met Aubrey Trail.
• 15:48
  Speaker 2: She was told that he was Boswell's master and that
• 15:52
  Speaker 2: being with Bailey Boswell meant being with him as well.
• 15:57
  Speaker 2: These are, see.
• 15:58
  Speaker 1: Oh, so they're into like all this like weird stuff.
• 16:00
  Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was talking about. Like witchcraft and
• 16:03
  Speaker 2: dark arts.
• 16:04
  Speaker 1: Like master and slave or something.
• 16:08
  Speaker 2: Katie stayed mostly in Wilbur under similar rules. She said
• 16:12
  Speaker 2: she was assaulted as punishment over a marijuana pipe left
• 16:16
  Speaker 2: in Boswell's car. She took the torture talk for sexual fantasy.
• 16:20
  Speaker 2: I guess she says.
• 16:21
  Speaker 1: What?
• 16:21
  Speaker 2: She ends up, they interview her, and it's kind of like,
• 16:27
  Speaker 2: why did you not see how they were criminals or
• 16:30
  Speaker 2: how they wanted to do these terrible things? And so
• 16:34
  Speaker 2: I think these women, their excuse is that they thought
• 16:38
  Speaker 2: a lot of this talk about killing or all this
• 16:42
  Speaker 2: sexual thing was fantasizing, not so much real.
• 16:48
  Speaker 1: Oh, so it's just for play.
• 16:49
  Speaker 2: It's just play.
• 16:50
  Speaker 1: It's just, it's not, we're not really killing people. We're
• 16:53
  Speaker 1: just entertaining ourselves by talking about it.
• 16:55
  Speaker 2: Talking about it.
• 16:55
  Speaker 1: And talking about torture. Right.
• 16:59
  Speaker 2: Then we get to November 13th. Prosecutors said Bailey Boswell
• 17:02
  Speaker 2: showed her a photo... of Anna. This is another girl.
• 17:06
  Speaker 2: She's a Russian girl. Her name's Anna. Anastasia showed her
• 17:10
  Speaker 2: a photo of her as an intended victim. So Anastasia
• 17:14
  Speaker 2: is another girl that ends up being with this couple
• 17:18
  Speaker 2: for a long period of time. She came from Russia.
• 17:22
  Speaker 2: She didn't really speak English. I don't think she had
• 17:24
  Speaker 2: a lot of friends. I don't know if she was
• 17:25
  Speaker 2: close with her family. I'm going to guess not. She
• 17:27
  Speaker 2: ends up meeting them and she ends up living with
• 17:30
  Speaker 2: them and just being around them and, and I don't
• 17:33
  Speaker 2: know being sexually involved with Aubrey, but also with Bailey Boswell.
• 17:38
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's just, it's a complicated, weird sexual thing,
• 17:43
  Speaker 2: but they also start talking about like murder and things
• 17:46
  Speaker 2: like that. But these girls, I don't know. It's like they,
• 17:49
  Speaker 2: it's like some kind of mind game where that gets
• 17:51
  Speaker 2: to the point where they're just okay talking about it
• 17:54
  Speaker 2: and witches and, and, sorcery and he's a warlock and
• 18:00
  Speaker 2: you know everybody's having sex with everybody and it's all
• 18:03
  Speaker 2: normal All right, so now we have Sydney is missing
• 18:15
  Speaker 2: and Aubrey Trail and Bailey Boswell are on the run.
• 18:18
  Speaker 2: So remember they left that basement apartment that they had.
• 18:21
  Speaker 2: There was an overwhelming smell of bleach. The police go in.
• 18:24
  Speaker 2: You can tell the walls have all been wiped down
• 18:27
  Speaker 2: and everything. Here's another thing, though, about the documentary that
• 18:29
  Speaker 2: bothered me. When they were talking about... their apartment and
• 18:33
  Speaker 2: they talked about the bleach and things like that. That
• 18:35
  Speaker 2: was really the only information they gave us. But we know,
• 18:38
  Speaker 2: because I watched the whole documentary that they dismembered Sydney.
• 18:42
  Speaker 1: Right. There had to have been more evidence you're saying
• 18:44
  Speaker 1: other than the aroma of bleach. Right.
• 18:46
  Speaker 2: But they don't go into any of that detail. And
• 18:48
  Speaker 2: that bothered me in the documentary. And I feel like
• 18:51
  Speaker 2: maybe they did it on purpose because they didn't want
• 18:53
  Speaker 2: to focus so much on the crime, but they wanted
• 18:54
  Speaker 2: to focus more on Sydney as a person, a human,
• 18:58
  Speaker 2: who she was, her family. Cause they did interviews with
• 19:00
  Speaker 2: her sister, her brother. You know, so I think maybe
• 19:03
  Speaker 2: that was their focus is to make sure it was
• 19:07
  Speaker 2: about her as opposed to just the crime. You're right.
• 19:11
  Speaker 1: And the evidence of the crime or the investigation of
• 19:13
  Speaker 1: the crime.
• 19:13
  Speaker 2: But as someone who talks about true crime and is
• 19:16
  Speaker 2: interested in true crime, I didn't like that they didn't
• 19:19
  Speaker 2: give details about that. They said it was wiped down
• 19:22
  Speaker 2: pretty clean and had an overwhelming smell. bleach. But you're
• 19:26
  Speaker 2: telling me you dismembered, a girl was dismembered in that
• 19:29
  Speaker 2: apartment and there isn't like skin fragments or bone fragments
• 19:33
  Speaker 2: or blood.
• 19:34
  Speaker 1: Well, maybe they wanted their security deposit back and they
• 19:37
  Speaker 1: assured that it was completely wiped down and clean.
• 19:40
  Speaker 2: Okay.
• 19:41
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 19:41
  Speaker 2: That's a good point. I don't know if they got
• 19:44
  Speaker 2: their security deposit back. I'm guessing no.
• 19:47
  Speaker 1: If they did, then that would answer your question, that
• 19:49
  Speaker 1: they wiped it down perfectly clean.
• 19:51
  Speaker 2: Yeah. I just wanted more details about... And also, you
• 19:55
  Speaker 2: know what I was thinking about? The family upstairs is like, wow,
• 19:58
  Speaker 2: it really smells like bleach. There's a body being dismembered.
• 20:03
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but they can't smell it. They can only smell
• 20:05
  Speaker 1: the bleach.
• 20:05
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but could you... like you don't hear a saw
• 20:09
  Speaker 2: going off or it's a hacksaw it's manpower there's no
• 20:13
  Speaker 2: battery i don't know i just i don't know i
• 20:17
  Speaker 2: just feel like there would be sounds.
• 20:20
  Speaker 1: Yeah you feel that you could solve a crime immediately
• 20:23
  Speaker 1: and you identify a crime right as it happens i
• 20:26
  Speaker 1: just want you feel that there's no crime that can
• 20:27
  Speaker 1: take place under your nose without you knowing I just.
• 20:30
  Speaker 2: Want to know, like, as soon as you know that
• 20:32
  Speaker 2: there was a crime that took place there, I want
• 20:34
  Speaker 2: the crime scene investigators. I want DNA. I want fingerprints.
• 20:38
  Speaker 1: I want.
• 20:39
  Speaker 2: Photos, and I want to see it all in the documentary.
• 20:42
  Speaker 2: I want more than just there was an overwhelming smell
• 20:46
  Speaker 2: of bleach and they found her.
• 20:47
  Speaker 1: You want a little bit more of a forensic file
• 20:48
  Speaker 1: type deep dive. Yes, exactly. Yes, I do.
• 20:51
  Speaker 2: And that's what it was missing. All right, let's get to,
• 20:53
  Speaker 2: there was another girl named Katie that was also one
• 20:56
  Speaker 2: of these women, these vulnerable women that got brought into this.
• 21:00
  Speaker 1: His little, what's it called? A coven? A coven.
• 21:03
  Speaker 2: He's trying to make a coven. Yeah, but he only
• 21:05
  Speaker 2: has like three girls and he needs 13 for a coven.
• 21:08
  Speaker 2: So he's not even close.
• 21:10
  Speaker 1: That's three more than most people have.
• 21:12
  Speaker 2: All right. So Katie actually gets very lucky because we
• 21:16
  Speaker 2: believe that they were probably going to kill Katie next.
• 21:19
  Speaker 2: Like they killed Sydney first. Now they're going to kill Katie. However,
• 21:23
  Speaker 2: Katie's mother calls her and claims that her father is ill,
• 21:26
  Speaker 2: which prompts her to return home the next day. When
• 21:29
  Speaker 2: she returns home, she was later taken into the police
• 21:31
  Speaker 2: department for questioning and She testified that she had never
• 21:35
  Speaker 2: met Sidney Loof or had heard her name before. Aubrey
• 21:39
  Speaker 2: and Bailey are staying in Iowa at this time. They're
• 21:41
  Speaker 2: basically on the run. A desk clerk in Ames, Iowa
• 21:45
  Speaker 2: recognizes them because they're on the news, right? Because they're
• 21:48
  Speaker 2: doing news reports like this girl is missing. These two
• 21:50
  Speaker 2: are persons of interest. We're looking for them. So everybody
• 21:55
  Speaker 2: has a photo of them, right? If you're watching the news.
• 21:58
  Speaker 2: There's a Sidney Loof tip line. So the clerk recognizes
• 22:03
  Speaker 2: them at the hotel and calls, but they had fled
• 22:05
  Speaker 2: and left their belongings behind. Obviously, they knew that they
• 22:08
  Speaker 2: were recognized. I don't know how, but they flee.
• 22:12
  Speaker 1: Maybe it was their, did they wear witch hats?
• 22:16
  Speaker 2: What are witch, like pointy witch hats? No, I don't
• 22:19
  Speaker 2: think real witches dress like that.
• 22:21
  Speaker 1: No.
• 22:21
  Speaker 2: I think they dress like everyday people do.
• 22:24
  Speaker 1: And we wouldn't notice them if we passed them in
• 22:26
  Speaker 1: a hardware store.
• 22:26
  Speaker 2: Yeah, but then at night they go into the woods
• 22:28
  Speaker 2: and do like.
• 22:29
  Speaker 1: They don't just have like a pot of stew with
• 22:32
  Speaker 1: steam coming out and they're just like, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
• 22:35
  Speaker 1: And always stirring it.
• 22:38
  Speaker 2: Now you make me think of Clash of the Titans,
• 22:41
  Speaker 2: like the three witches and the cauldron.
• 22:43
  Speaker 1: Were they called witches?
• 22:44
  Speaker 2: I believe so.
• 22:45
  Speaker 1: They had to share an eyeball or something?
• 22:47
  Speaker 2: Yeah, they shared an eyeball, yeah. All right, so Aubrey
• 22:49
  Speaker 2: and Bailey are named persons of interest. They're on the run.
• 22:52
  Speaker 2: This is crazy to me.
• 22:55
  Speaker 1: Oh, you mean now it's going to get crazy?
• 22:57
  Speaker 2: Now it gets crazy. So Aubrey and Bailey are on
• 22:59
  Speaker 2: the run, right? Their pictures are plastered everywhere. They're persons
• 23:02
  Speaker 2: of interest. They think it's a good idea to make
• 23:05
  Speaker 2: a Facebook Live. So they have like hoods.
• 23:08
  Speaker 1: Oh, I saw that.
• 23:09
  Speaker 2: Did you see that?
• 23:09
  Speaker 1: I saw that. That was creepy. Right? They looked like
• 23:12
  Speaker 1: modern day witches.
• 23:13
  Speaker 2: They, okay.
• 23:14
  Speaker 1: She had black sunglasses on. She had a black hood on. Yes.
• 23:17
  Speaker 1: He was wearing black and he was behind her. Right.
• 23:20
  Speaker 1: Almost like as if he was controlling her. Right.
• 23:22
  Speaker 2: And it was so weird.
• 23:23
  Speaker 1: And she did not want to be on, I don't know.
• 23:26
  Speaker 1: It sounded like she was, she was either medicated or
• 23:29
  Speaker 1: she had a spell on her or something. I don't know.
• 23:32
  Speaker 1: Wasn't that what witches do? Spells. Yeah. Yeah.
• 23:36
  Speaker 2: I like how you asked me, like I know.
• 23:39
  Speaker 1: Didn't you research this project?
• 23:40
  Speaker 2: I did, but I'm just saying I don't know about
• 23:43
  Speaker 2: spells and things. Like I'm not.
• 23:45
  Speaker 1: You're not part of a coven.
• 23:46
  Speaker 2: I'm not in a coven. No, but that Facebook Live
• 23:49
  Speaker 2: was very odd. So I don't know why they thought
• 23:51
  Speaker 2: it was a good idea, but they get on a
• 23:52
  Speaker 2: Facebook Live and they're basically.
• 23:54
  Speaker 1: Or they're like, she's fine. Or we hope they find her.
• 23:56
  Speaker 1: We don't know where she is.
• 23:57
  Speaker 2: Yes, they were like, we hope they find Sydney.
• 24:00
  Speaker 1: Yeah. Look the other way.
• 24:01
  Speaker 2: Don't look over here. Right. And they're mad because they're like,
• 24:05
  Speaker 2: you're naming us as a person of interest. And now
• 24:07
  Speaker 2: we have to run and we have to hide. And
• 24:09
  Speaker 2: everybody thinks we did this. And it's not fair. We
• 24:12
  Speaker 2: didn't do anything. Anyway, I thought that was odd.
• 24:16
  Speaker 1: But she didn't look like she was totally into it.
• 24:19
  Speaker 2: Well, I don't really get any sense of her personality
• 24:22
  Speaker 2: at all. That's true.
• 24:23
  Speaker 1: Assuming... Basing it on if she had a normal personality
• 24:27
  Speaker 1: and whatever. I hate to use the word normal because
• 24:32
  Speaker 1: everyone wants to be normal and no one wants to
• 24:33
  Speaker 1: be average. I don't really know what that means.
• 24:36
  Speaker 2: What does that mean?
• 24:36
  Speaker 1: I don't know. Did you just make that up? No,
• 24:38
  Speaker 1: everyone wants to be normal and no one wants to
• 24:40
  Speaker 1: be average. Oh.
• 24:41
  Speaker 2: Right?
• 24:41
  Speaker 1: You don't want to be abnormal. Yeah. Or you don't
• 24:43
  Speaker 1: want to be average. Okay. So I don't know what
• 24:46
  Speaker 1: her normal, everyday personality is like. But on there, it
• 24:50
  Speaker 1: looked like she was either medicated... or she had lost
• 24:53
  Speaker 1: some brain cells or she had like a gun in
• 24:57
  Speaker 1: her back or something.
• 24:58
  Speaker 2: I don't know. It's hard to know because then when
• 24:59
  Speaker 2: they show her in court later, when she's on trial,
• 25:02
  Speaker 2: there's not a lot of emotion. Yeah. I mean, I
• 25:05
  Speaker 2: can't really get a read on her, what her personality is.
• 25:08
  Speaker 2: You know, I do know that Bailey, which is sad
• 25:12
  Speaker 2: is that at one time in high school, she was
• 25:14
  Speaker 2: like a superior athlete. And I believe she got offered
• 25:17
  Speaker 2: a full ride somewhere to play basketball. And the fact
• 25:20
  Speaker 2: that she, I think she turned it down because she's like, no,
• 25:22
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be a witch.
• 25:23
  Speaker 1: It goes against my religion.
• 25:24
  Speaker 2: I'm going to be. So it's just sad that this
• 25:26
  Speaker 2: girl at one point in her life.
• 25:28
  Speaker 1: Had some opportunities.
• 25:29
  Speaker 2: Had opportunity.
• 25:30
  Speaker 1: Outside of the witchcraft realm.
• 25:32
  Speaker 2: And now here she is, you know, with this guy
• 25:35
  Speaker 2: that's like 30 years older than her, getting her into
• 25:39
  Speaker 2: witchcraft and murder. And now she has a hoodie on
• 25:42
  Speaker 2: and she's making Facebook live posts about how she didn't
• 25:45
  Speaker 2: really do anything to this girl, even though they did.
• 25:49
  Speaker 2: All right, we get to November 30th. This is data
• 25:51
  Speaker 2: from one of their Facebook videos pointed to Branson. So
• 25:54
  Speaker 2: obviously the police see this Facebook Live, right? I mean,
• 25:57
  Speaker 2: they're trying to find them and they're tracking them. So
• 26:00
  Speaker 2: then I believe someone walks in to one of the
• 26:03
  Speaker 2: investigators and they're like, they're on Facebook Live. So they
• 26:06
  Speaker 2: do all their forensics and their IP, whatever, they're searching
• 26:09
  Speaker 2: for where they are. They figure out that they're in Branson, Missouri.
• 26:14
  Speaker 2: So then they were arrested at the windmill and where
• 26:16
  Speaker 2: they had, they were sleep, they had sleeping bags and
• 26:19
  Speaker 2: camping gear. So they think they were heading towards, I
• 26:22
  Speaker 2: don't know. The wilderness.
• 26:24
  Speaker 1: I picture like camping gear, like in the hotel room,
• 26:27
  Speaker 1: like they set up camping gear and they're just staying there.
• 26:29
  Speaker 1: That's what I thought you were getting at.
• 26:31
  Speaker 2: No, I think that they had plans. I don't know.
• 26:32
  Speaker 1: I don't know how witches operate. I don't really know either.
• 26:35
  Speaker 1: They're like, no.
• 26:37
  Speaker 2: We sleep on the floor. Anyway, so they get arrested and,
• 26:41
  Speaker 2: December 4, investigator Bob Hurley found that the couple had
• 26:44
  Speaker 2: likely traveled west to dump Sidney's body. At that time,
• 26:49
  Speaker 2: he was using a new phone mapping technique that pinpointed
• 26:52
  Speaker 2: the areas where their car had slowed down or stopped.
• 26:55
  Speaker 2: I thought this was really interesting. I guess it was
• 26:58
  Speaker 2: some new technology that no one had used before, but
• 27:01
  Speaker 2: it's so precise now. Not only did it show a
• 27:04
  Speaker 2: path Right, because they could figure out the way.
• 27:07
  Speaker 1: They- Are you talking about tracking the phone? Yeah, because
• 27:08
  Speaker 1: Bailey Boswell.
• 27:09
  Speaker 2: Left her phone on, like her navigation on or something
• 27:12
  Speaker 2: the whole time, so they could track her phone. And
• 27:14
  Speaker 2: so they knew the route that they had taken, but
• 27:17
  Speaker 2: it was a long route. So they didn't know where,
• 27:20
  Speaker 2: they're trying to find Sydney's body at this point, right?
• 27:22
  Speaker 1: So they're looking along the route where she could have
• 27:24
  Speaker 1: been left.
• 27:24
  Speaker 2: But they had such precise data now that they could
• 27:28
  Speaker 2: actually tell based upon this forensic, this digital footprint of
• 27:32
  Speaker 2: where the car had actually stopped and slowed down. So
• 27:35
  Speaker 2: then that was the area that they searched. And then
• 27:38
  Speaker 2: that's when they end up finding body parts. They found
• 27:40
  Speaker 2: Sydney's body.
• 27:41
  Speaker 1: Oh, they found something.
• 27:42
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah. I think everything except for like a shoulder
• 27:46
  Speaker 2: or something. But they had found all the body parts.
• 27:49
  Speaker 1: Like throughout the path or in one spot?
• 27:52
  Speaker 2: No, like.
• 27:53
  Speaker 1: Like breadcrumbs? Yes.
• 27:55
  Speaker 2: Wow. But that's how precise.
• 27:59
  Speaker 2: This digital path was, was they could find it because
• 28:03
  Speaker 2: they could tell where the car had actually slowed down
• 28:05
  Speaker 2: and then stopped and then sped up and then slowed
• 28:07
  Speaker 2: down and stopped because they threw her body parts out
• 28:10
  Speaker 2: in trash bags.
• 28:11
  Speaker 1: Yeah. They would slow down and do it.
• 28:13
  Speaker 2: We're spreading it around, but they found anyway, Um, so
• 28:19
  Speaker 2: searchers found one of Sydney's remains shortly after arriving at
• 28:22
  Speaker 2: the spot that they were tracking Sydney's arm tattoo identified her. Uh,
• 28:27
  Speaker 2: she had a tattoo that said everything will be wonderful someday,
• 28:30
  Speaker 2: which is sad. Uh, December 5th, a wider search found
• 28:36
  Speaker 2: the other pieces of Sydney's body. She had been dismembered
• 28:39
  Speaker 2: into 14 pieces total and the pathologist ruled it homicidal
• 28:43
  Speaker 2: violence by strangulation.
• 28:45
  Speaker 1: Part of like the witchery stuff. Like the way they
• 28:48
  Speaker 1: dismembered her or were they just like hiding the body
• 28:50
  Speaker 1: kind of thing?
• 28:50
  Speaker 2: I think just the killing itself was part of whatever
• 28:55
  Speaker 2: he believed this witchcraft was.
• 28:58
  Speaker 1: The killing served some purpose for him.
• 29:00
  Speaker 2: Yes, because I do in interviews and when he speaks,
• 29:03
  Speaker 2: I think he talked about how you have to give
• 29:08
  Speaker 2: up a soul or something. That's how you become more
• 29:10
  Speaker 2: powerful is what he believes. So you have to like.
• 29:13
  Speaker 2: take someone's soul to become more powerful. And so that's
• 29:17
  Speaker 2: why they were on this. They were going to kill.
• 29:19
  Speaker 1: That reminds me of the rule of two in Star Wars,
• 29:24
  Speaker 1: in the Star Wars galaxy. The rule of two is
• 29:26
  Speaker 1: for the Sith, the evil ones, the dark side. There's
• 29:29
  Speaker 1: only two. And you have a master and an apprentice.
• 29:34
  Speaker 1: And the apprentice will learn from the master and soon
• 29:38
  Speaker 1: want so much power that they have to kill the master.
• 29:43
  Speaker 1: And then that means they are more powerful than the master.
• 29:46
  Speaker 1: Then they bring on another apprentice. And that apprentice will
• 29:49
  Speaker 1: do the same. And the master knows this. And that's
• 29:52
  Speaker 1: because they are committed to the rule of two and
• 29:55
  Speaker 1: the dark side. that each time a master will be
• 29:59
  Speaker 1: more and more powerful because they overcame their master. So
• 30:02
  Speaker 1: in this case, he's absorbing, he believes he's absorbing their
• 30:06
  Speaker 1: soul or whatever.
• 30:07
  Speaker 2: Right. And that's how he's going to become powerful. And I,
• 30:10
  Speaker 2: I think he probably truly believes this.
• 30:13
  Speaker 1: Probably. I don't think he got it from star Wars,
• 30:14
  Speaker 1: but that's how I connect.
• 30:15
  Speaker 2: No, I don't think he got it from star Wars
• 30:16
  Speaker 2: either because they claim as far as his background was
• 30:21
  Speaker 2: that he was very abused as a child and endured, uh,
• 30:25
  Speaker 2: Physical abuse, sexual abuse, all the things. And then when
• 30:28
  Speaker 2: he was young, I believe like 18 or something, he
• 30:31
  Speaker 2: met an older woman who practiced witchcraft and she taught
• 30:36
  Speaker 2: him a lot of things. And so that was.
• 30:38
  Speaker 1: That's where it started?
• 30:39
  Speaker 2: That's where it started, yeah. So Sydney and Katie were
• 30:50
  Speaker 2: not the only women involved with Aubrey and Bailey. There
• 30:52
  Speaker 2: was another one. We talked about her a little bit.
• 30:54
  Speaker 2: Her name was Anastasia. She was the girl that was
• 30:57
  Speaker 2: from Russia that had moved to the United States.
• 31:00
  Speaker 1: Lived with them.
• 31:01
  Speaker 2: Lived with them.
• 31:01
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 31:02
  Speaker 2: Anastasia swiped right on a woman named Jenna. This was
• 31:05
  Speaker 2: also Bailey Boswell.
• 31:07
  Speaker 1: Oh, that's why it's called swipe right on the devil. Yeah. Yeah.
• 31:10
  Speaker 2: I love that you just got it. Yeah, I get it.
• 31:12
  Speaker 2: Good job, you.
• 31:13
  Speaker 1: Nothing gets by me.
• 31:14
  Speaker 2: I see that light bulb up there flashing.
• 31:17
  Speaker 1: Always flashing.
• 31:19
  Speaker 2: It was just after high school, and she agreed to
• 31:21
  Speaker 2: a sugar daddy arrangement to save money for college. She
• 31:25
  Speaker 2: helped them by selling stolen antiques. So I guess Anastasia
• 31:29
  Speaker 2: didn't really believe in their view on witchcraft, but she
• 31:33
  Speaker 2: said she did believe that they had plans to kill
• 31:36
  Speaker 2: someone at some point. She testified that the couple discussed
• 31:40
  Speaker 2: filming a killing and selling the video for a million dollars.
• 31:43
  Speaker 2: I guess he was always saying that he was going
• 31:45
  Speaker 2: to make, what are they called?
• 31:47
  Speaker 1: Snuff videos.
• 31:48
  Speaker 2: Snuff videos. And that he'd be able to sell it
• 31:51
  Speaker 2: for a lot of money. And so I think that
• 31:53
  Speaker 2: was part of the conversation talking about killing. Not only
• 31:57
  Speaker 2: was the witchcraft part, but also like the snuff video.
• 32:00
  Speaker 2: He's multitasking.
• 32:03
  Speaker 1: He's an entrepreneur.
• 32:04
  Speaker 2: Right. Um, so Anastasia ends up leaving the group. She
• 32:08
  Speaker 2: warned another young woman on Instagram and then she left.
• 32:11
  Speaker 2: She didn't go to the police because she was scared.
• 32:13
  Speaker 2: I would be scared too.
• 32:14
  Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they're all in the, yeah, they're, I mean,
• 32:17
  Speaker 1: they're into like witchery and killing and yeah, you know,
• 32:21
  Speaker 1: and then the only way they have a means for
• 32:23
  Speaker 1: money is like scamming. Yeah.
• 32:25
  Speaker 2: These are people that live life with no laws or boundaries.
• 32:29
  Speaker 2: Those are not the kind of people you want on
• 32:30
  Speaker 2: your bad side. So I can understand.
• 32:32
  Speaker 1: I don't even want them on my good side. I
• 32:33
  Speaker 1: don't want them on my bad side.
• 32:36
  Speaker 2: Um, there was another woman involved in them.
• 32:38
  Speaker 1: It's a whole line of them.
• 32:40
  Speaker 2: There's a whole line of women. This was another one. Um,
• 32:43
  Speaker 2: her name was Ashley Hills. She testified against them too.
• 32:46
  Speaker 2: And she was also part of the documentary. She matched
• 32:49
  Speaker 2: with Jenna, also known as Bailey Boswell on tender. And
• 32:52
  Speaker 2: she was told about her sugar daddy and was then
• 32:55
  Speaker 2: picked up by Aubrey trail who showed off his cash. antiques,
• 32:59
  Speaker 2: and various photos of other women. Antiques.
• 33:02
  Speaker 1: That'll sweep a woman right off her feet. Yeah. Look
• 33:04
  Speaker 1: at my tea set here. Right. It's from the 30s.
• 33:11
  Speaker 2: She was forced to follow rules. She had to call
• 33:14
  Speaker 2: Aubrey daddy. She had to stay at their apartment weekly.
• 33:17
  Speaker 2: She had to check in with them every two hours,
• 33:19
  Speaker 2: and she had to completely avoid other men. She said
• 33:23
  Speaker 2: Aubrey whipped her with a belt three or four times
• 33:25
  Speaker 2: when she broke those rules. Also, she claims that they
• 33:29
  Speaker 2: weren't allowed, or I guess it was just her maybe,
• 33:31
  Speaker 2: or maybe it was all of them. She wasn't allowed
• 33:33
  Speaker 2: to wear clothes. She had to walk around naked everywhere
• 33:35
  Speaker 2: and she had to ask to be able to go
• 33:37
  Speaker 2: to the bathroom. But again, I, in my mind, I'm
• 33:40
  Speaker 2: sitting there thinking, why would you be okay with this? Like,
• 33:43
  Speaker 2: why would you agree to these rules and, But then
• 33:46
  Speaker 2: she starts talking about her background and how much she
• 33:48
  Speaker 2: hated her stepdad. And I guess she was abused by
• 33:50
  Speaker 2: her stepfather sexually and physically. From my perspective, I'm watching
• 33:54
  Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, why would you put up with this?
• 33:57
  Speaker 2: Why would you be involved? Why would you.
• 33:59
  Speaker 1: Sort of been groomed to kind of tolerate someone coming
• 34:01
  Speaker 1: in and.
• 34:02
  Speaker 2: Right. But then I understand that they preyed on women
• 34:05
  Speaker 2: like her that were in vulnerable situations that had... She
• 34:09
  Speaker 2: was sexually abused by her stepdad her whole life. She had...
• 34:14
  Speaker 2: a lot of hatred in her heart for her stepdad.
• 34:16
  Speaker 2: Cause she talked about how she wanted him to die.
• 34:17
  Speaker 2: Cause I guess Aubrey said like, who would you kill
• 34:20
  Speaker 2: if you could kill someone? And she talked about her stepdad.
• 34:23
  Speaker 1: So I, I'm just saying they're like, we need some candidates. Yeah.
• 34:27
  Speaker 2: We need more victims because he's a warlock. He needs
• 34:30
  Speaker 2: more power. Um, Ashley said she was also expected to
• 34:34
  Speaker 2: steal items for their antiques business. She testified that Aubrey
• 34:37
  Speaker 2: called himself a flying vampire and And that Bailey was
• 34:42
  Speaker 2: a healer and the queen witch and that becoming a
• 34:46
  Speaker 2: witch required taking someone's last breath. Then in August of 2017,
• 34:51
  Speaker 2: this is at Walmart. Aubrey and Bailey picked up a
• 34:54
  Speaker 2: blonde woman who they'd met on Tinder as Ashley's first kill,
• 34:59
  Speaker 2: but it never happened.
• 35:01
  Speaker 1: Good.
• 35:02
  Speaker 2: Ashley said Bailey appeared joyful when she was discussing torture
• 35:06
  Speaker 2: and And said that it often aroused her to talk
• 35:09
  Speaker 2: about killing and torturing people. I don't understand.
• 35:12
  Speaker 1: You sit around like you're just in a circle of
• 35:15
  Speaker 1: chairs and you're just talking about like different ways that.
• 35:18
  Speaker 2: Torture and kill.
• 35:19
  Speaker 1: What about this kind of torture? Yeah. Oh, yeah, that's good.
• 35:22
  Speaker 2: Yeah.
• 35:22
  Speaker 1: What about this kind?
• 35:23
  Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, that'll work.
• 35:24
  Speaker 1: And then you just keep talking about it? Yeah.
• 35:27
  Speaker 2: And then you go to Home Depot and you pass
• 35:28
  Speaker 2: these people in the aisle.
• 35:29
  Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know.
• 35:34
  Speaker 2: When Ashley Hills left, she said she was prepared to
• 35:36
  Speaker 2: help kill Anastasia on a trip to Pennsylvania, but she
• 35:40
  Speaker 2: had a panic attack at TJ Maxx and quit the group.
• 35:43
  Speaker 2: She was told that she and her family would be
• 35:45
  Speaker 2: killed if she talked. So she didn't say anything to police.
• 35:51
  Speaker 2: Isn't that interesting that she's at TJ Maxx and she's like,
• 35:53
  Speaker 2: I'm having.
• 35:54
  Speaker 1: A panic attack. So we could pass them in TJ
• 35:56
  Speaker 1: Maxx too. Yeah.
• 35:57
  Speaker 2: Good thing Ashley didn't get more involved with them and
• 35:59
  Speaker 2: she got out when she When she did. These girls
• 36:02
  Speaker 2: got very, very lucky.
• 36:04
  Speaker 1: Didn't you do a commercial for TJ Maxx?
• 36:05
  Speaker 2: I did a commercial for TJ Maxx, yes. You did? Yeah.
• 36:09
  Speaker 1: Did you know that there was witches that would pass
• 36:11
  Speaker 1: through their stores?
• 36:12
  Speaker 2: No, but now I know. Well, now I know that
• 36:15
  Speaker 2: there's witches that pass through Menards.
• 36:16
  Speaker 1: And Home Depot.
• 36:17
  Speaker 2: And Home Depot. Yeah. And all the places.
• 36:19
  Speaker 1: Probably Taco Bell. You've probably seen a lot of Taco Bell.
• 36:23
  Speaker 2: Okay, I haven't been to Taco Bell in a long time.
• 36:26
  Speaker 2: Thank you, though.
• 36:27
  Speaker 1: No, not since the invention of DoorDash. I don't even.
• 36:30
  Speaker 2: Order Taco Bell. Okay. Goodness. After Aubrey's arrest. So Aubrey,
• 36:37
  Speaker 2: they have all these interrogations or questioning of Aubrey. When
• 36:41
  Speaker 2: they arrest him, they bring him in. you can tell
• 36:44
  Speaker 2: that he enjoys talking to the investigators.
• 36:46
  Speaker 1: Oh yeah. He's got a new audience.
• 36:47
  Speaker 2: He has a new audience, right? Every time they bring
• 36:50
  Speaker 2: him in and they talk to him, it's recorded. I
• 36:51
  Speaker 2: saw several different interviews with him. He always has a
• 36:53
  Speaker 2: cup of coffee, you know, he's very charismatic.
• 36:57
  Speaker 1: Right up his alley.
• 36:58
  Speaker 2: He's ready to talk.
• 37:00
  Speaker 1: He's in the zone. This is his thing. Right.
• 37:03
  Speaker 2: And he tells these stories and he talks about being
• 37:06
  Speaker 2: a warlock and his coven and all these things. Um,
• 37:10
  Speaker 2: So he denies, in the beginning, he denies killing anyone.
• 37:13
  Speaker 2: He told the FBI, but then later he changes his story.
• 37:16
  Speaker 2: This is when I think he's finally like, okay, maybe
• 37:19
  Speaker 2: he's savvy enough to realize that they probably have evidence
• 37:22
  Speaker 2: against him. This is after they find the body. So
• 37:26
  Speaker 2: originally he says he didn't have anything to do. He
• 37:28
  Speaker 2: hopes they find her and wishes her.
• 37:30
  Speaker 1: Then he starts to pick up on the fact that
• 37:32
  Speaker 1: maybe they know something.
• 37:33
  Speaker 2: Well, because they find her body parts, right?
• 37:35
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but do they tell them?
• 37:36
  Speaker 2: I believe they do. I believe they say to him
• 37:38
  Speaker 2: in an interrogation, they're like, by the way, we found her.
• 37:41
  Speaker 2: And then that's when his story changes. Originally, he said,
• 37:44
  Speaker 2: I didn't kill anyone. I wish her the best. I
• 37:46
  Speaker 2: hope you, I hope.
• 37:47
  Speaker 1: Oh, that was like their Facebook live. Yes. We hope
• 37:49
  Speaker 1: she's happy.
• 37:50
  Speaker 2: Right. Then after they find the body parts, his story changes.
• 37:54
  Speaker 2: So then he tells the FBI that it was an
• 37:56
  Speaker 2: accident during a paid fantasy with two unnamed women paying
• 38:00
  Speaker 2: $ 15, 000 and Loof offered 5,000. First of all.
• 38:05
  Speaker 1: Who pays who for what?
• 38:06
  Speaker 2: I think he's saying these women paid him to have
• 38:09
  Speaker 2: this sexual, like orgy thing played out with, with, an
• 38:16
  Speaker 2: electrical cord.
• 38:17
  Speaker 1: Cause he claimed him.
• 38:18
  Speaker 2: Yeah. And I'm thinking, first of all, you're preying on
• 38:20
  Speaker 2: these women that don't have families and jobs and things.
• 38:25
  Speaker 2: That's why they're coming and living with you and taking
• 38:27
  Speaker 2: $ 200 a week and walking around naked and calling you
• 38:30
  Speaker 2: sir and daddy and things. So like these women don't
• 38:33
  Speaker 2: have money. So that's a stupid story to come up with.
• 38:37
  Speaker 2: But he claims that like they were just doing some,
• 38:40
  Speaker 2: you know, sexual.
• 38:42
  Speaker 1: Fantasy type of thing. And then what? How does that
• 38:44
  Speaker 1: explain the body parts everywhere?
• 38:46
  Speaker 2: Well, because he claims that Sidney wanted to be strangled
• 38:51
  Speaker 2: And that's what they were doing, like a sexual fantasy
• 38:54
  Speaker 2: kind of thing.
• 38:55
  Speaker 1: Like not killing. And then she ended up dying or something?
• 38:57
  Speaker 2: And then he accidentally killed her.
• 38:58
  Speaker 1: And then he got scared, so he had to cut
• 38:59
  Speaker 1: her body up into a million pieces and toss it everywhere.
• 39:01
  Speaker 2: Right, exactly.
• 39:02
  Speaker 1: And then go on Facebook Live and say, we don't
• 39:05
  Speaker 1: know anything.
• 39:05
  Speaker 2: Right. So that's the next story. First, it was, I
• 39:08
  Speaker 2: didn't kill anyone. Then it was like, oop, I did.
• 39:11
  Speaker 1: Oh, that murder. I thought you were talking about something else. Right.
• 39:14
  Speaker 1: That one, yeah, I did.
• 39:15
  Speaker 2: But it was an accident, because we were just having
• 39:18
  Speaker 2: this sexual fantasy thing. And she wanted to be strangled,
• 39:21
  Speaker 2: but I strangled her too much.
• 39:23
  Speaker 1: And then I went to take her home, and then
• 39:24
  Speaker 1: her body parts started falling out, and I didn't know
• 39:26
  Speaker 1: what was going on.
• 39:27
  Speaker 2: Then here we are. I know that the investigators reached
• 39:32
  Speaker 2: out to the FBI because they just kept going and
• 39:34
  Speaker 2: talking to him, right? And every time they go and
• 39:36
  Speaker 2: talk to him, he enjoys it. Sometimes he'll give them
• 39:39
  Speaker 2: information that ends up being true. Like he told them,
• 39:41
  Speaker 2: I believe, where they could find Sidney's phone and credit card.
• 39:46
  Speaker 2: And then that ended up being correct. They found her
• 39:48
  Speaker 2: phone and credit card. So then it's like he seems credible, right?
• 39:52
  Speaker 1: Or he can be credible. Right.
• 39:54
  Speaker 2: But then he's telling more stories. So they just keep
• 39:56
  Speaker 2: talking to him. And then they asked the FBI, like
• 39:59
  Speaker 2: an FBI profiler or something, like, how do we deal
• 40:02
  Speaker 2: with this? And they said, stop talking to him.
• 40:06
  Speaker 1: You're giving him An audience. An audience.
• 40:08
  Speaker 2: He's enjoying it, you know?
• 40:10
  Speaker 1: And so they were- So he'll just talk and talk
• 40:12
  Speaker 1: and talk and talk. Right. However true or not true
• 40:15
  Speaker 1: it is, he'll just keep talking. Right.
• 40:17
  Speaker 2: So investigators stopped their interrogations with Aubrey. However, he called
• 40:22
  Speaker 2: reporters to tell the reporters, he calls a reporter and
• 40:26
  Speaker 2: tells her that he was solely responsible for Sidney's death.
• 40:29
  Speaker 1: Oh, really?
• 40:30
  Speaker 2: Yes, because he's really trying hard to not, he doesn't
• 40:33
  Speaker 2: want Bailey to get in trouble. They also found letters
• 40:37
  Speaker 2: in jail. They were written in code. And he has,
• 40:40
  Speaker 2: it's very meticulous how he has written out an entire code.
• 40:44
  Speaker 1: Did you see it? Yeah. Okay.
• 40:46
  Speaker 2: And he, but he makes a decoder. So he has
• 40:49
  Speaker 2: like a decoder, right? That's separate than the letter.
• 40:52
  Speaker 1: Like a decoder ring? Yeah.
• 40:53
  Speaker 2: But he, you know, he has like his code over here.
• 40:57
  Speaker 2: So he tells her in this letter basically what to say. Like,
• 41:00
  Speaker 2: say you weren't involved, that I did it. He tells
• 41:02
  Speaker 2: her all these things to say to get her out
• 41:04
  Speaker 2: of trouble. And then on the decoder, it says, make
• 41:07
  Speaker 2: sure you destroy this decoder so they can't. But she doesn't.
• 41:11
  Speaker 1: Did he also include instructions on how to use the decoder? Yeah.
• 41:14
  Speaker 2: But then she doesn't destroy the code.
• 41:18
  Speaker 1: She turns it in?
• 41:19
  Speaker 2: No, they just find it in her jail cell. They
• 41:21
  Speaker 2: find like the letter and the decoder.
• 41:23
  Speaker 1: So you had one thing to do and you couldn't
• 41:25
  Speaker 1: do it. Right, right.
• 41:27
  Speaker 2: So there were letters found in jail, mostly written in code,
• 41:29
  Speaker 2: that coached Bailey to portray herself as the victim and
• 41:32
  Speaker 2: claim that they were making a fake snuff film. All right.
• 41:36
  Speaker 2: Then they're both indicted on federal fraud charges and pleaded guilty.
• 41:40
  Speaker 2: This is back in May of 2018. This is the
• 41:44
  Speaker 2: fraud charges that have to do with, like, the gold coins.
• 41:47
  Speaker 2: I think they just wanted to indict them so they
• 41:49
  Speaker 2: had them. Right.
• 41:50
  Speaker 1: They just wanted to bring them in. Right.
• 41:51
  Speaker 2: So they have all this financial information.
• 41:53
  Speaker 1: They do that a lot. I've seen that where they'll
• 41:54
  Speaker 1: be like– No, it was a person of interest or whatever.
• 41:57
  Speaker 1: And then they'll be like, oh, he has a parking
• 41:58
  Speaker 1: ticket that he hasn't paid. Right. Let's go get him.
• 42:01
  Speaker 1: So we can go arrest him. And then they'll bring
• 42:03
  Speaker 1: him in on that. Right. And then they'll just be like,
• 42:05
  Speaker 1: do you know why you're here? And try to see
• 42:07
  Speaker 1: if they can come up with something. Right.
• 42:08
  Speaker 2: So basically, they had them in custody based on these
• 42:12
  Speaker 2: fraud charges.
• 42:12
  Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.
• 42:13
  Speaker 2: Then in June 11th of 2018, this is six months
• 42:17
  Speaker 2: after Sidney's remains were found. They were both charged with
• 42:20
  Speaker 2: first degree murder and improper disposal of remains. A conspiracy
• 42:25
  Speaker 2: charge came later. Aubrey goes to trial first in June
• 42:29
  Speaker 2: of 2019. His trial is in Wilbur, Nebraska. This is
• 42:34
  Speaker 2: the scene. This is what you've been waiting for. He's
• 42:36
  Speaker 2: in court and he screams, Bailey is innocent.
• 42:41
  Speaker 1: Cursed.
• 42:41
  Speaker 2: He cursed everybody.
• 42:42
  Speaker 1: I curse. Witness stand.
• 42:44
  Speaker 2: No, he's not on the witness stand. He's sitting at
• 42:45
  Speaker 2: the defense table.
• 42:46
  Speaker 1: Okay.
• 42:47
  Speaker 2: So he's sitting at the defense table with his defense attorney.
• 42:50
  Speaker 1: Yeah.
• 42:50
  Speaker 2: He screams, Bailey is innocent. I curse you all.
• 42:53
  Speaker 1: Presumably against his attorney's advice.
• 42:55
  Speaker 2: I'm sure he, I'm sure she told him not to
• 42:57
  Speaker 2: do that, but he screams, Bailey is innocent. I curse
• 43:01
  Speaker 2: you all. Then he takes a razor that he had
• 43:03
  Speaker 2: hidden under his tongue.
• 43:05
  Speaker 1: He like snuck it into the courtroom. And he starts.
• 43:06
  Speaker 2: Cutting his neck right in the middle of court. And
• 43:09
  Speaker 2: there's like blood flying everywhere. He cut himself pretty deeply too.
• 43:13
  Speaker 2: Like it wasn't just like a, like a.
• 43:15
  Speaker 1: Yeah, he sliced his neck.
• 43:16
  Speaker 2: Yeah, he sliced his neck.
• 43:17
  Speaker 1: They should have let him finish.
• 43:18
  Speaker 2: I know, right? He required 88 stitches and two blood
• 43:23
  Speaker 2: transfusions before being released back into custody. I mean, that's
• 43:27
  Speaker 2: how badly he cut his neck. That's crazy.
• 43:30
  Speaker 1: That is crazy.
• 43:31
  Speaker 2: I mean, all of this is crazy. I mean, I
• 43:33
  Speaker 2: guess it's no surprise that someone like that could cut
• 43:35
  Speaker 2: their neck that deeply.
• 43:36
  Speaker 1: It's the only way it could end.
• 43:39
  Speaker 2: The three other women, Anastasia, Ashley, and Katie, also testified.
• 43:43
  Speaker 2: At trial, Aubrey said he had known Sydney for months
• 43:46
  Speaker 2: and that she died during consensual choking. He denied that
• 43:50
  Speaker 2: there were other people present. However, the jury convicted Aubrey
• 43:54
  Speaker 2: of first-degree murder, criminal conspiracy to commit murder, and improper
• 43:57
  Speaker 2: disposal of human remains. The jury only, they only, you know, talked,
• 44:04
  Speaker 2: it was like under three hours.
• 44:05
  Speaker 1: You know, I looked it up too. It's the same jury.
• 44:08
  Speaker 2: For both of them?
• 44:09
  Speaker 1: No, like after the cutting, he slices his neck or whatever.
• 44:12
  Speaker 2: Oh, they didn't.
• 44:13
  Speaker 1: It didn't impact like, no, like the, I think the
• 44:17
  Speaker 1: judge asked him independently or one by one, if they
• 44:21
  Speaker 1: could still be like objective.
• 44:23
  Speaker 2: Yeah, even though he slashed his throat.
• 44:24
  Speaker 1: They're probably like, yeah, I want to stay here. Yeah, right.
• 44:27
  Speaker 1: I don't know what else is going to happen. Yeah,
• 44:29
  Speaker 1: what's next? Right.
• 44:31
  Speaker 2: Then Bailey Boswell goes on trial. She was tried in
• 44:34
  Speaker 2: Dawson County, Nebraska. Her defense called no witnesses and portrayed
• 44:38
  Speaker 2: her as another of Aubrey's victims. However, the jury convicted
• 44:41
  Speaker 2: her on all three counts and just under four hours.
• 44:45
  Speaker 1: Patty Hearst kind of thing.
• 44:48
  Speaker 2: A three judge panel sentenced Aubrey to death. He finally
• 44:51
  Speaker 2: admitted that almost everything he had said before was a lie.
• 44:54
  Speaker 2: He now claims he lured Sydney to recruit her. she,
• 44:58
  Speaker 2: she reacted badly and that he zip tied her and
• 45:01
  Speaker 2: strangled her so she wouldn't expose them. You know, that's
• 45:04
  Speaker 2: the thing. And I, and I, I don't know exactly
• 45:06
  Speaker 2: what happened cause it's hard to believe him, but I
• 45:08
  Speaker 2: assume that on that second date that Sydney went on
• 45:12
  Speaker 2: and then she gets in the car with them and
• 45:14
  Speaker 2: then they go back to the apartment. I think she
• 45:17
  Speaker 2: was probably because she wasn't like a vulnerable girl. Like
• 45:20
  Speaker 2: they were hoping, you know, she was pretty strong and
• 45:22
  Speaker 2: she did have a strong family ties and she did
• 45:25
  Speaker 2: have friends. And I think when they were like, you know,
• 45:28
  Speaker 2: you're going to live here with us and you're, we're
• 45:30
  Speaker 2: going to do witchcraft and you're going to be a
• 45:32
  Speaker 2: part of this. She was like, you're insane. I don't
• 45:38
  Speaker 2: want anything to do with this. And I think that
• 45:40
  Speaker 2: wasn't the reaction that they were used to with these
• 45:42
  Speaker 2: other vulnerable girls.
• 45:43
  Speaker 1: They weren't going to let her just walk away.
• 45:44
  Speaker 2: They were like, now we have to kill her because
• 45:46
  Speaker 2: she's going to, she can't just leave and go back
• 45:50
  Speaker 2: and tell everyone about us and what we've been doing
• 45:54
  Speaker 2: and talking about. So, You know, it's sad that those
• 45:57
  Speaker 2: other girls are alive because they were vulnerable and just
• 46:02
  Speaker 2: went along with it. And Sydney.
• 46:04
  Speaker 1: Oh, and here she is speaking up.
• 46:06
  Speaker 2: Speaking up.
• 46:07
  Speaker 1: And not wanting to go against any of what feels
• 46:10
  Speaker 1: good for her. And here, then they kill her. Right.
• 46:13
  Speaker 2: Exactly.
• 46:14
  Speaker 1: Yeah, but you know what? They were going to kill anyway.
• 46:18
  Speaker 2: They were at some point. I mean, people like that,
• 46:20
  Speaker 2: it would have happened. He also said he plotted it
• 46:24
  Speaker 2: two to three hours beforehand and still insisted that Bailey
• 46:28
  Speaker 2: was not in the room. I don't believe that for
• 46:30
  Speaker 2: a second. Bailey's involved in all this.
• 46:31
  Speaker 1: I don't believe anything he says for a second.
• 46:33
  Speaker 2: I mean, he's still just trying to keep Bailey out
• 46:35
  Speaker 2: of trouble. But Bailey received life plus 52 years and
• 46:38
  Speaker 2: two judges found the depravity needed for death. But one
• 46:42
  Speaker 2: judge did not. And Nebraska requires... a unanimous vote so
• 46:46
  Speaker 2: and so bailey did not get the death sentence but
• 46:49
  Speaker 2: uh aubrey did they i know they also focused in
• 46:52
  Speaker 2: order for bailey to avoid the death sentence they focused
• 46:55
  Speaker 2: on the fact that she had a daughter she does
• 46:56
  Speaker 2: have a child oh yeah she had a child young
• 46:59
  Speaker 2: i think when she was like in high school or
• 47:00
  Speaker 2: maybe right after high school they focused on the fact
• 47:02
  Speaker 2: that she had a daughter and that she was a
• 47:05
  Speaker 2: mother and so i think that helped her avoid the
• 47:08
  Speaker 2: death penalty um Where things currently stand in this case,
• 47:14
  Speaker 2: the Nebraska Supreme Court upheld Aubrey's conviction and sentence and
• 47:18
  Speaker 2: the court affirmed Bailey's convictions and sentence, including admission of
• 47:21
  Speaker 2: the other women's sex and witchcraft testimony. The U.S. Supreme
• 47:25
  Speaker 2: Court declined to hear Aubrey's case and Aubrey remains on
• 47:29
  Speaker 2: death row with no execution date and Bailey is serving
• 47:33
  Speaker 2: life at a women's prison in York.
• 47:35
  Speaker 1: So.
• 47:37
  Speaker 2: Bailey will be in prison for life. Aubrey will be
• 47:39
  Speaker 2: in prison for life. And who knows if he'll actually
• 47:41
  Speaker 2: be executed, but he's on, he's on death row as
• 47:45
  Speaker 2: he should be. That is swipe right on the devil.
• 47:48
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