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Mom & Dad of 5 answer online ad for used car, MURDERED · Crime Stories with Nancy Grace

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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. All they wanted to do
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Speaker 1: was buy a car, a used car. Just recently, my
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Speaker 1: husband David and I decided we had to break down
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Speaker 1: and buy a new minivan after twelve years with the
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Speaker 1: Toyota Sienna. And we looked and we looked, and we
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Speaker 1: would take the children with us through car dealerships used
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Speaker 1: new Some of them were open, some of them were closed.
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Speaker 1: I never thought that I would be attacked by a
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Speaker 1: gunman and shot dead looking for a car, leaving my
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Speaker 1: children without a mommy or a daddy. That's what happened.
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Speaker 1: And I want justice for this family, the Roland family,
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Speaker 1: mommy and daddy, dad, leaving five children left to grow
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Speaker 1: up without their parents. I mean, it's see Grace, this
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Speaker 1: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here
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Speaker 1: at Fox Nation and Syrie Sex sam one eleven. First
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Speaker 1: of all, take her listen to our France at k USA.
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Speaker 1: Police say the Rolands met up with Brown two fridays
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Speaker 1: ago in Aurora to purchase a vehicle he listed on Lego,
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Speaker 1: an online app to buy and sell used things. According
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Speaker 1: to their daughter, Joseph Roland, flipped cars for a living.
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Speaker 1: The affidavit details a police interview with Kyrie Brown, wherein
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Speaker 1: he allegedly admitted to stealing the car and posting it
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Speaker 1: for sale on the app using a fake name. On
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Speaker 1: the night of August fourteenth, when the Rolands met up
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Speaker 1: with Brown, the affidavit says he told them he had
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Speaker 1: brought the wrong ownership title and asked them to follow
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Speaker 1: him to his home. According to the details of his
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Speaker 1: interview in the Affidavid, that's when Brown got out of
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Speaker 1: his car, pointed a gun at the couple, and demanded
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Speaker 1: the money for the car. You know, it just breaks
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Speaker 1: my heart to even hear this. Let me introduce an
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Speaker 1: all star panel to break it down and put it
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Speaker 1: back together again. Very famous or should I say infamous?
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Speaker 1: Defense lawyer Troy Slayton criminal defense attorney joining us out
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Speaker 1: of LA Renowned psychiatrist doctor Angela Arnold joining us at
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Speaker 1: the Atlanta Jurisdiction at Angela Arnold, MD, dot com Professor Forensics,
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Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet.
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Speaker 1: Now he's a star. Poisonous Liaisons on True Crime Network
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Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan, but first Levi Page Crime Online dot
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Speaker 1: com investigative reporter joining us with the latest. And if
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Speaker 1: you want to see this family and see the evidence
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Speaker 1: that we've managed to obtain so far, you can find
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Speaker 1: it at crime online dot com. LEVI explain to me
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Speaker 1: how this family, and I'm not laying fault on Jocelyn
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Speaker 1: and Joseph Rowland. People answer Craigslist ass and this is
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Speaker 1: called let go. They go online all the time to
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Speaker 1: find stuff. I do it. I go online all the
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Speaker 1: time to seek out things for the twins, find out
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Speaker 1: where I can get it. What is it? How did
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Speaker 1: they end up with this minion from hell? So Nancy
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Speaker 1: Joseph Rowland, he's thirty nine years old, and his wife
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Speaker 1: Josceland Roland, she's sporty. They had five kids, and Joseph
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Speaker 1: worked at somebody. Wait a minute, wait a minute, right there,
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Speaker 1: right there, jose got Morgan normally right now, I go
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Speaker 1: to our shrink, doctor Angela Arnold. But knowing that you
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Speaker 1: just shipped your son away to join the military, can
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Speaker 1: you imagine five children? That's your life. I've heard you
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Speaker 1: and talk to you all your going through being away
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Speaker 1: from your son. Five children. I mean, just Scott, we
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Speaker 1: sink our whole lives into our children. Can you imagine
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Speaker 1: them growing up without mommy or daddy five children. No,
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Speaker 1: I certainly can't, Nancy. And you know my son is
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Speaker 1: just left. He's a grown man now. He's not exactly
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Speaker 1: he's nineteen, he's nineteen, but he's growing up. Yeah, I know.
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Speaker 1: But these are babies, Nancy, and now they're without a
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Speaker 1: mommy and daddy. They're They're not gonna be there to
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Speaker 1: kiss them. They're not gonna be there to take care
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Speaker 1: of them when they're sick, and they're not gonna be
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Speaker 1: there to bathe them and put them to bed at night,
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Speaker 1: pray with them, take care of them like moms and
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Speaker 1: dad should. These kids are left as orphans. You know,
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at a picture of mom and dad a
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Speaker 1: five Joe and jos and Rowland and the children. They
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Speaker 1: are not nineteen. They're dy biddiot. Looks like they're on
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Speaker 1: a vacation. They've got an ATV behind them. They must
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Speaker 1: must be out, Oh my goodness. And here's the picture
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Speaker 1: of them hugging each other, the mom and the dad.
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Speaker 1: To you, back to you, Levi Page. I only broke
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Speaker 1: in because I know you don't have children yet, But
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Speaker 1: when you do, I'll give you plenty of unsolicited advice,
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Speaker 1: LEVI how old are these children? So some of them
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Speaker 1: are teenagers, others are really young school aged kids. And
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Speaker 1: I'm looking at one little boy and he looks like
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Speaker 1: he maybe five maybe, And there's a boy and a girl.
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Speaker 1: They look like twins to me, I don't think they are.
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Speaker 1: They remind me of John David and Lucy be held
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Speaker 1: On oldest is seventeen. They look like twins like John
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Speaker 1: David and Lucy. He's so much taller than her. The
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Speaker 1: little boy looks just like the little sister. And they
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Speaker 1: look to be maybe nine, eight or nine years old.
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Speaker 1: And the little boy looks like he's five. And then
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Speaker 1: I see two other girls. One looks like she maybe
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Speaker 1: fourteen fifteen, and the other one I guess is a
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old. How in the hey did they get
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Speaker 1: hooked up with Billzebub? Straight out of Hell's Gates Kyrie Brown.
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Speaker 1: So Joseph Rowland worked as someone that would flip cars,
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Speaker 1: you know, help people flip houses. They take a house
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Speaker 1: that may be in distress, a little older, they fix
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Speaker 1: it up, they sell it and they make a profit.
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Speaker 1: He would do the same thing with vehicles. So he
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Speaker 1: was going to purchase this twenty seventeen Toyota rav Or
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Speaker 1: on the let Go app. Okay, wait wait wait, stop
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Speaker 1: right there, stop right there, Troyce Layton. You know my
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Speaker 1: new books coming out in September into September, I dedicated
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Speaker 1: a whole chapter and don't be a victim fighting back
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Speaker 1: against America's crime wave. You know why, Troyce Layton, because
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Speaker 1: people like your clients use Craig List and let Go
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Speaker 1: and they lure innocent, unsuspecting victims to their death. I mean,
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Speaker 1: do you remember the Craigslis killer choice Lytton. He would
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Speaker 1: answer people online and then would kill them. Remember that, absolutely,
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Speaker 1: there's a lot of crime. There's a lot of crime
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Speaker 1: associated with it. Most of the time it's financial crime.
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Speaker 1: Bad check. Really tell that to the Craigslis killer victims families.
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Speaker 1: And here Joe and Jocelyn looked like they did everything
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Speaker 1: that you would advise someone to do. They went to
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Speaker 1: an open place, they went to a mall. They didn't
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Speaker 1: want to meet the person in a secluded place. They
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Speaker 1: did what you would advise someone to do, and they
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Speaker 1: were they The killer tried to lure them back to
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Speaker 1: his apartment and they didn't. They weren't willing to go
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Speaker 1: with him. But what I would do here if I
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Speaker 1: were to be the defense attorney on the case, is
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Speaker 1: I would get a forensic psychologist like Angela immediately on
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Speaker 1: the case because I want to find mitigating circumparied, Oh Lord,
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Speaker 1: here we go. Hold on, hold on, why don't you
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Speaker 1: hear the whole thing before you jump up and starts
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Speaker 1: talking about mitigation crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, the
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Speaker 1: victims in this case, you something called let go, and
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Speaker 1: I'm about to tell you all about it, but first
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Speaker 1: take a listen to this. On the night of August fourteenth,
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Speaker 1: when the Rolands met up with Brown, the affidavit says
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Speaker 1: he told them he had brought the wrong ownership title
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Speaker 1: and asked them to follow him to his home. According
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Speaker 1: to the details of his interview in the affidavit, that's
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Speaker 1: when Brown got out of his car, pointed a gun
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Speaker 1: at the couple and demanded the money for the car.
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Speaker 1: Brown then alleges that Joseph Roland grabbed his arm. According
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Speaker 1: to the affidavit, that's when Brown admits to Lease that
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Speaker 1: he intentionally shot Joseph and accidentally shot Jocelyn in their car.
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Speaker 1: The court record then says Brown told the investigators he
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Speaker 1: drove the stolen car to an area near Havana Street
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Speaker 1: and East Colfax Avenue in Aurora, where he then set
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Speaker 1: it on fire. Let Go is an app plus right
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Speaker 1: up on your phone. It's not just about cars, it's
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Speaker 1: anything you want to buy or sell. It's the news
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Speaker 1: genre of craigslist. You were just hearing our friends at
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Speaker 1: KUSA reporting on this. A mom and dad go to
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Speaker 1: buy a used Toyota rav four. They're both shot dead.
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Speaker 1: And I make it very very clear in the pages
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Speaker 1: and pages of tips to keep you safe, insist on
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Speaker 1: meeting in a public place. You just heard that from
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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton. Never go to the other parties home. Don't
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Speaker 1: follow them. If they show up without the documents or
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Speaker 1: whatever it is they need at the meeting, don't follow
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Speaker 1: them anywhere. And don't, for Pete's sake, invite them to
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Speaker 1: your home. Take your cell phone with you, take someone
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Speaker 1: with you, let others know where you are going. I
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Speaker 1: mean it goes on and on. Exercise extreme caution buying
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Speaker 1: and selling. I mean, there's so many things that really
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Speaker 1: are just common sense. But actually the Rolands followed many
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Speaker 1: of those tips and they're still dead. Back to you,
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Speaker 1: Leavi Page Crime online dot com investigative reporter. I now
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Speaker 1: know what let go is. It's a knee generation of Craigslist.
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Speaker 1: So they find this guy Kyrie Brown on let Go.
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Speaker 1: Then what happens? So they met him in a mall,
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Speaker 1: like you say, that's where people want to meet, where
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Speaker 1: people they're buying from out in public, and Kyrie Brown says,
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Speaker 1: I got my paperwork mixed up. I got the wrong paperwork.
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Speaker 1: Can you follow me back to my apartment? So write
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Speaker 1: there Doctor Angela Arnold, psychiatrist and Angela Arnold MD dot
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Speaker 1: com Right there, Angela, knowing what I know, having worked
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Speaker 1: in the crime arena for sa many years, I would say, no,
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Speaker 1: absolutely not. But why should they suspect anything nefarious? Well,
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Speaker 1: I don't know. With the way everything goes on in
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Speaker 1: this world today, I would always have my I would
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Speaker 1: always have my feelers up for something to furious. Although
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Speaker 1: I do feel like they probably apparently this couple does
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Speaker 1: this a lot. They flipped cars and so they had
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Speaker 1: a sense of calm about this. It sounds like they
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Speaker 1: had developed a sense of trust with the people that
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Speaker 1: they were working with, and unfortunately this was not a
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Speaker 1: person that they could trust. From what I understand Joseph Scott, Morgan,
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Speaker 1: Professor Forensics, Jacksonville State University and author now the star
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Speaker 1: of Poisonous Liaisons, Joe Scott. From what I am understanding
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Speaker 1: from the police records we've been able to obtain, the
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Speaker 1: mom and the dad died just five minutes apart. Now,
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Speaker 1: that doesn't fit with Kyrie Brown, the shooter's scenario that
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Speaker 1: he is floating out to see a copsil buy it
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Speaker 1: number one. According to police documents that we've obtained, he
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Speaker 1: confesses to killing the dad, shooting him dead, and Joseph
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Speaker 1: Rowland was unarmed. But then he says he shot the
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Speaker 1: mom by accident in her car. Yet they die five
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Speaker 1: minutes apart. What can we learn about what really happened,
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Speaker 1: because you know, I don't believe the defendant from the forensics,
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Speaker 1: Joe Scott, help me. I think range of fire is
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Speaker 1: going to be critical here, Nancy. And this is why,
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Speaker 1: remember what you just said, regular people talk place before
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Speaker 1: he started off with the range of fire. Well, what
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about is the fact that the
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Speaker 1: shooter their relationship to the victims is probably going to
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Speaker 1: be relatively close. Remember what you said. Both of these people,
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Speaker 1: these poor mom and dad, were both died within five
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Speaker 1: minutes of each other at the hospital. So that means
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Speaker 1: that they were shot in a very critical area in
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Speaker 1: their bodies. Maybe they were hitting the head, maybe they
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Speaker 1: were hitting the chest. And that gives us an idea
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Speaker 1: that if you're firing from a particular position, say right
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Speaker 1: outside their window. Remember he said I grabbed Joseph's arm,
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Speaker 1: He grabbed the dad's arm as he began to move away,
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Speaker 1: and he fired. So we have to think that he's
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Speaker 1: right outside his window and then he accidentally shoots the mama.
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Speaker 1: I find that very hard to believe. But what we
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Speaker 1: can learn is the fact that he was very very
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Speaker 1: close to these people when he fired, and so he's, oh,
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Speaker 1: right there, right there. You seemingly, for some unknown reason inexplicable,
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Speaker 1: Jessice Scott Morgan, you seem to be each taking the
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Speaker 1: defendants word for what happened. Can we move back into
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Speaker 1: your arena? Can you're not a lie detector? We don't
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Speaker 1: know if he's song the stouth will Actually I can't
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Speaker 1: tell he's lying. But let's talk about range of fire.
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Speaker 1: How we know from GSR gunshot residue exactly how close
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Speaker 1: defendit was when he unloaded. Yeah, this is the point, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: from the end of the weapon, which is called the
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Speaker 1: end of the muzzle. That means where the projectile comes out,
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Speaker 1: it's going to spray out. It will literally spray out
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Speaker 1: gunshot residue. Okay, So we're talking about things like unburned
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Speaker 1: powder and any other debris that's in the barrel in
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Speaker 1: addition to the projectile, and it will literally tattoo onto
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Speaker 1: the body. And the closer the concentration of that debris
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Speaker 1: that's coming out of the end of that barrel, the
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Speaker 1: higher the likelihood that the individual is close. So the
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Speaker 1: further we move away like a water hose, further we
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Speaker 1: move away, the broader that stream is going to be.
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Speaker 1: In this particular instance, it would not surprise me to
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Speaker 1: find that the range of fire is probably within about
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Speaker 1: eighteen inches of Joseph's body. Sir, I bet you something else.
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Speaker 1: I bet you with the husband who is maybe driving
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Speaker 1: the vehicle, his car, I bet you it's point blank
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Speaker 1: or enough to cause stipling, which means that the end
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Speaker 1: of the muzzle, the circular end of the gun is
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Speaker 1: so close to the skin, maybe even a contact wound
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Speaker 1: that it looks like a tattoo mark of burning where
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Speaker 1: the gunshot residue the gunpowder comes out of the gun. Now,
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Speaker 1: typically generally speaking, gunshot residue you can go about thirty
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Speaker 1: six inches more or less. And as Joe Scott just
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Speaker 1: told you, the more you have, the closer you are
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Speaker 1: to the gun itself. Like he said, a water hose
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Speaker 1: you know. To you, Troy Slayton, you as a good
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Speaker 1: defense attorney can quash any almost any gunshot residue test
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Speaker 1: in many different ways. I mean, think about the Robert
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Speaker 1: Blake case. What is the defense argument to gunshot residue evidence. Well,
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Speaker 1: in this case, it may be that there was problems
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Speaker 1: with the forensic collection. I know Joseph Scott Morgan isn't
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Speaker 1: going to like it when I say that. Occasionally the
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Speaker 1: people that are collecting evidence just don't do it the
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Speaker 1: right way and they may end up transferring gunshot residue
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Speaker 1: when they're investigating the case themselves. And the technicians that
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Speaker 1: are coming out and supposed to be collecting evidence are
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Speaker 1: sometimes just doing stuff with simple things like paint brushes
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Speaker 1: and brown paper bags and don't properly preserve the evidence
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Speaker 1: with plastic overhand and with well, I mean, I knew
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Speaker 1: that you would find a way to blame the crime
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Speaker 1: scene text or the cops crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys,
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Speaker 1: we're talking about a mom and dad who go to
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Speaker 1: buy a used Toyota rap four. They show up, they
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Speaker 1: found it on an app call let Go. It's like
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Speaker 1: a modern day Craigslist. Five children that look to be
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Speaker 1: as young as seven or eight years old. Mommy and
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Speaker 1: daddy are gunned down. Why they didn't even know this guy,
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Speaker 1: Kyrie Brown. Now we've been kicking around the forensic evidence
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Speaker 1: at the scene, but I want you to hear what
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Speaker 1: the defendant, Kyrie Brown actually said. Take a listen to
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Speaker 1: our friends at Fox thirty one. Denver Brown admitted to
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Speaker 1: detectives that he stole a rav four, posted it for sale,
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Speaker 1: and agreed to meet with Joseph Roland to sell him
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Speaker 1: the car, he told investigators. When he got to the
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Speaker 1: meeting spot on August fourteenth, he told Roland he accidentally
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Speaker 1: brought the wrong vehicle title and had Roland and his
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Speaker 1: wife follow him across town. According to the arrest half A,
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Speaker 1: David Brown shared that he produced a nine millimeter handgun
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Speaker 1: in his right hand, which he pointed at Joseph and
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Speaker 1: demanded the money. Brown said that Joseph then grabbed his arm,
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Speaker 1: and he indicated that the victim's vehicle began moving. Brown
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Speaker 1: advised he then made the decision to shoot Joseph and
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Speaker 1: indicated that during this time that he accidentally shot Jocelyn.
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Speaker 1: He went on to tell investigators quote lava vehicle was
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Speaker 1: still moving, he reached across the victim and took money
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Speaker 1: that was sitting on the center console, which is approximately
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Speaker 1: three thousand dollars. After the homicide, Kyrie Brown stated that
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Speaker 1: he purposely set fire to the stolen car by means
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Speaker 1: of pouring gasoline over the seat and igniting it somewhere
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Speaker 1: near Havana Street and East Colfax Avenue. And the victim's
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Speaker 1: seventeen year old stepdaughter told police that her dad was
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Speaker 1: in the business of flipping cars and she was actually
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Speaker 1: supposed to be with her dad that night to help
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Speaker 1: him drive the car home, but she drove her boyfriend
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Speaker 1: home instead, so Jocelyn went instead. What a travesty. What
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Speaker 1: a series of events had ended up in a double homicide?
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Speaker 1: Now hold on just a moment LEAVI page. We are
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Speaker 1: hearing the defendant and all he has to say about
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Speaker 1: what happened that night. But not so fast. He didn't
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Speaker 1: go to cops or take these people to the hospital.
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Speaker 1: No cops had to find him. How did they find him?
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Speaker 1: So investigators looked on the let go app and the
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Speaker 1: account that he used. To wait a minute, they looked
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Speaker 1: on the victim's phone. Yeah, then they found the let
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Speaker 1: go app. Then what we're going to purchase a vehicle
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Speaker 1: from Kyrie Brown? And they found that his account on
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Speaker 1: that app was deactivated after the shooting. But they found
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Speaker 1: another account and it was trying to sell the same
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Speaker 1: type toyo to WRAP four that they were going to
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Speaker 1: buy the couple that was killed. Okay, let me stop
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Speaker 1: right there, Stop right there, stop stop very important, subtle
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Speaker 1: but critical detail, and I'll tell you why it's so important.
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Speaker 1: He took down that listing immediately after he shot mister
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Speaker 1: and miss Roland, leaving behind five children orphaned. Then he
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Speaker 1: listed the RAV four, same car under a fake name.
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Speaker 1: You know what that's called Troy Slayton. Right, it's the
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Speaker 1: equivalent of flight. He knows he did something wrong. You
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Speaker 1: started up our whole program today talking about not about
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Speaker 1: the two dead victims, the mom and dad, their children
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Speaker 1: raised his orphans now, but about how if it were you,
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Speaker 1: you would use a mental defect because he's already given
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Speaker 1: a confession like what timber our insanity compulsion. I don't
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Speaker 1: know what your idea you'd cook up back in your
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Speaker 1: back office, but you know what I imagine is witches
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Speaker 1: around a witches brew And you're right in there a
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Speaker 1: choice layton, double double, toil and trouble cooking up some
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Speaker 1: defense because right here, like flight, is in disha of guilt.
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Speaker 1: I mean, why take off and leave if you haven't
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Speaker 1: done anything wrong? I mean when I pulled out of
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Speaker 1: the car line this morning I drop off at the school,
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Speaker 1: I didn't take off at ninety mph because I hadn't
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Speaker 1: done anything wrong, right, I just ease out of there.
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Speaker 1: So why did he assume a fake name and list
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Speaker 1: the same car idiot on let go? That's evidence of
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Speaker 1: guilt that he knew what he did was wrong. That's true,
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Speaker 1: that that could potentially be consciousness of guilt. Flight is
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Speaker 1: consciousness of guilt. Those would be aggravating circumstances, and I
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Speaker 1: want to be looking at some of the mitigating circumstances.
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Speaker 1: It sounds to me, can you just address this instead?
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Speaker 1: If you're mitigating circumstances, he gave a full confession to
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Speaker 1: the police. I want to know that matched up that
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Speaker 1: he had. He's the one selling the car, He's the
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Speaker 1: one taking the fake name. What you want me to
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Speaker 1: give him a gold star because he confessed to what happened.
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Speaker 1: I think that when somebody gives a statement against penal
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Speaker 1: interest when they say that he when he says that
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Speaker 1: he shot the father and he accidentally shot the mother,
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Speaker 1: I believe him because somebody's not gonna say something that
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Speaker 1: implicates themselves and then typically lie about creek without a
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Speaker 1: paddle and you know what creek I'm talking about. Hey, hey,
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Speaker 1: let's look at the rest of the evidence. So too,
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Speaker 1: doctor Angie Arnold, jose Gott Morgan, leave my page. Listen
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Speaker 1: to this, Okay, correct me if I'm wrong to leave
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Speaker 1: I all right? So they the police have the dead bodies,
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Speaker 1: they're sent for autopsy, and they don't know what happened.
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Speaker 1: They get Joseph Rowland's cell phone, they find the let
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Speaker 1: go up on there, they find the rap four. There's
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Speaker 1: no longer an account listed to Kyrie Brown. They find
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Speaker 1: the same RAP four under a fake name, and because
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Speaker 1: of the fake name, they use the mobile number that
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Speaker 1: goes with Kyrie Brown and the new the RAP four.
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Speaker 1: They find the mobile phone number through the online goods
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Speaker 1: website let Go the phone pinned towers near the mall,
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Speaker 1: the apartment complex where mister miss Rowland were gunned down dead,
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Speaker 1: and the location where the car was burned. What car
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Speaker 1: was burned? LEVI page the Toyota Rap four. Could you
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Speaker 1: tell me something? I'm looking at the devastated family. Oh
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Speaker 1: my stars. The little boy is standing there in a
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Speaker 1: full on suit with a vest and everything. They're at
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Speaker 1: the funeral and there is a white casket covered in
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Speaker 1: white flowers. I'm assuming that's Jocelyn Rowland. And there is
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Speaker 1: another casket covered by the American flag, and there is
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Speaker 1: a military person, three of them, surrounding the casket. Was
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Speaker 1: he a veteran? I believe that he was. Just to
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Speaker 1: top it all off, Troy Laden, he kills a vet,
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Speaker 1: then to the just add insult to injury. Investigators trace
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Speaker 1: the cell phone to its current location, pinging it and
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Speaker 1: he gives Chase. He actually gives chase Joseph Scott Morgan.
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Speaker 1: I mean, what else can he do? He burns the
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Speaker 1: RAF for, he uses a fake name, he gives chase,
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Speaker 1: he hides out. Well, he's not helping the police do anything.
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Speaker 1: He's trying to impede the investigation. No, he's a he's
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Speaker 1: like a fly that's caught on you know, fly paper.
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Speaker 1: You know, the more he kind of moves around and
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Speaker 1: does these things to deceive, the more stuck he gets,
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Speaker 1: you know, And look, from forensic standpoint, all we have
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Speaker 1: to do is, you know, just look at the arson
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Speaker 1: he initiated with this stolen vehicle. You know, you put
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Speaker 1: that gasoline in his hand, and that's used as an accelerant,
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Speaker 1: which means to start the fire within that vehicle. Well,
25:38
Speaker 1: that gas that he utilized is going to have a
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Speaker 1: very specific chemical signature that can be tied back to
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Speaker 1: the gas can that he used. That's why we do
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Speaker 1: arson investigation that puts it in his hand. And then
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Speaker 1: all the deception with the apps as well, and the
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Speaker 1: pinging off the cell towers, all of these are specific
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Speaker 1: forensic I like to refer to them as tie They
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Speaker 1: go back to one central position and it turns out
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Speaker 1: to be this guy. Take a listen to Our Cut
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Speaker 1: three Katie Johnson Casey NCCBS in Denver, Eighteen year old
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Speaker 1: Kyrie Brown is now charged with murder, accused of killing
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Speaker 1: a couple who met him to buy a used car.
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Speaker 1: Investigators say Brown admitted to stealing the twenty seventeen Toyota
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Speaker 1: ROUT four and then posting it for sale on the
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Speaker 1: let go app. Then met Joseph and Joslyn Rowland at
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Speaker 1: the Southland's Mall. He told the couple he accidentally brought
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Speaker 1: the wrong vehicle title with him, asked them to follow
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Speaker 1: him to an apartment. Investigators say that's where Brown admits
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Speaker 1: he pulled a gun, demanded money, and shot Joseph when
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Speaker 1: he tried to drive off, then accidentally shot Joslyn. The
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Speaker 1: couple leaves behind five children, and police say after the shooting,
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Speaker 1: Brown posted the car for sale on the app again
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Speaker 1: under a different name. You know, it just keeps getting
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Speaker 1: worse and worse leavi page. The children are left without parents.
26:57
Speaker 1: I understand that there is a fund is it to
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Speaker 1: go fund me? What is it to help the children?
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Speaker 1: They have no security, nothing, What's going to happen to them? So, Nancy,
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Speaker 1: this go fund me has actually raised over two hundred
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Speaker 1: thousand dollars for the family one of the kids god
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Speaker 1: parents setting up the go fund me Crime Stories with
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Speaker 1: Nancy Grace. Guys, we're talking about the murders of a
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Speaker 1: young mom and dad, leaving five children behind now raised
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Speaker 1: as orphans. Nothing can ever ever replace mom and dad ever.
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Speaker 1: And you know that there's a go fund me and
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Speaker 1: the way I found it. I just went to go
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Speaker 1: fund me and put in the Rolands. You can go
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Speaker 1: to go fundme dot com slat the Roland Dash kids.
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Speaker 1: This is by far not the first time that someone
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Speaker 1: has been murdered and more by answering an ad online.
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Speaker 1: It's so upsetting for innocent people like the Rolands to
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Speaker 1: be gunned down, leaving all these children without a mom
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Speaker 1: and dad. That's going to change their lives forever. The
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Speaker 1: wake of pain Kyrie Brown has left behind him in
28:33
Speaker 1: his greed will never be known. Really, these children will
28:39
Speaker 1: grow up with the shadow of murder hanging over them.
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Speaker 1: How will it change how they raise their children or
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Speaker 1: if they will even have children after this. There's so
28:51
Speaker 1: many ways to keep safe. Don't be a victim. Fighting
28:56
Speaker 1: back against America's crime wave. Proceeds going to National Center
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Speaker 1: for missing exploited children. Goes into how to Stay Safe
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Speaker 1: Online not to scare you, but to arm you with
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Speaker 1: facts to keep you safe and your children safe. Jackie.
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Speaker 1: This is by far not the first time someone has
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Speaker 1: died answering an online ad. Take a listen to our
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Speaker 1: friends at w g XATV. But Runyan was a Vietnam
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Speaker 1: veteran and on the Ford Mustang back in the nineteen sixteats.
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Speaker 1: His daughters previously said that their dad wanted to have
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Speaker 1: a Mustang similar to the one that he had after
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Speaker 1: the war, and after seeing the car on Craigslist, the
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Speaker 1: Runyans drove south in their suv to meet Runnietown's to
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Speaker 1: buy it. When they didn't return to Marietta to baby,
29:48
Speaker 1: said their grandchildren. The next day, family members knew something
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Speaker 1: was wrong. Crew searched what at areas and bodies of
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Speaker 1: water nearby, even using a helicopter to search from the air.
29:59
Speaker 1: The Runnyans were later found near the suv, which was
30:01
Speaker 1: underwater in a lake. They were laid to rest in Marietta.
30:05
Speaker 1: Towns later turned himself in. Now in a legal twist,
30:10
Speaker 1: the indictment in that case was dismissed. They've just been
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Speaker 1: handed down a new indictment. In that case, the Georgia
30:19
Speaker 1: Supreme Court reversed the indictment and it had to be
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Speaker 1: completely redone take a listen to w g XA TV
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Speaker 1: Telfare County Sheriff Chris Stevenson says the Runnions placed an
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Speaker 1: ad on Craigslist looking for in nineteen sixty six Ford
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Speaker 1: Mustang convertible. Sheriff Stevenson tells us Ronnie Towns Junior responded
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Speaker 1: to the ad and lord the couple to tell Fair
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Speaker 1: County Thursday. Earlier in the investigation, Deputy say Town's lide
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Speaker 1: to deputies about contacting the Runnions with a cell phone.
30:51
Speaker 1: He was being held on charges of theft by deception,
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Speaker 1: which were upgraded to robbery and murder Tuesday. We've made
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Speaker 1: a huge amount of progress. We continue to investigate. We
31:10
Speaker 1: continue with all of our partner agencies that are involved
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Speaker 1: working arm in arm. Autopsy results show the Runnings were
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Speaker 1: both shot in the head with a small caliber firearm.
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Speaker 1: Their bodies hidden near the lake where the Ruins vehicle
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Speaker 1: was submerged. All because as Vietnam War, a veteran who
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Speaker 1: owned Afford Mustang back in the sixties wanted a similar
31:32
Speaker 1: car now that he could afford one. What we know
31:37
Speaker 1: is the defendant in this case, Jaytowns, fired from his
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Speaker 1: job at a tree removal service, desperate for money. Instead
31:45
Speaker 1: of getting another job, buys a throwaways cell phone and
31:48
Speaker 1: began contacting people interested in buying cars and other things.
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Speaker 1: And that is how he met up with his two victims.
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Speaker 1: You know, that's just the tip of the iceberg. What
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Speaker 1: happened to the Runyon family? Take a listen to Nina
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Speaker 1: Harrelson w r EGTV. Twenty two year old Cameron Dillard
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Speaker 1: is charged with especially aggravated robbery after police say he
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Speaker 1: lured another man with a Facebook market place side for
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Speaker 1: a car, but instead pistol whipped, robbed and shot him.
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Speaker 1: I got a car like somebody had been shot in
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Speaker 1: front of my house, but I tried to pull up
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Speaker 1: on the street on the police head caution table. You
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Speaker 1: can't get through it all unfolded Wednesday night, so we
32:34
Speaker 1: could go on and on with victims killed, answering online ads.
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Speaker 1: You know to you, Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, understand
32:46
Speaker 1: and I'm reading this verbatim. It's one of the hundreds
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Speaker 1: of tips, actually thousands of tips that are in the
32:52
Speaker 1: new book, Don't be a victim. I understand that you
32:55
Speaker 1: may be dealing with anyone from a little old lady
32:57
Speaker 1: to a violent felon the internet. Is not vet who
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Speaker 1: buys and sells online now. Interesting in the running case
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Speaker 1: where the Vietnam vett was gunn dawn. In that case,
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Speaker 1: the guy with his throwaway cell phone was caught contacting
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Speaker 1: dozens and dozens of people to lure them to basically
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Speaker 1: steal whatever cash or car that they had. There may
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Speaker 1: be other victims of that guy that we just don't
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Speaker 1: know about it, and they're as soon to be missing
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Speaker 1: right now. What do you advise? Yeah, you need to
33:31
Speaker 1: be careful. You know. I think that in this world
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Speaker 1: that we live in, with the anonymity of the internet,
33:37
Speaker 1: you know, of these apps that are out there, we
33:40
Speaker 1: kind of drop our guard because we live you know,
33:42
Speaker 1: everybody talks about how we live in this electronic bubble now,
33:45
Speaker 1: and we do. And what folks don't understand is that
33:48
Speaker 1: it is still a damned dangerous world outside of that bubble,
33:52
Speaker 1: and maybe even more dangerous because people are more easily
33:55
Speaker 1: it would seem at least victimized. So you have to
33:58
Speaker 1: be careful, Nancy. You don't know who was on the
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Speaker 1: other end of that ad who was on the other
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Speaker 1: end of that line. And it's so widespread now. It
34:08
Speaker 1: used to be, you know, you and I both are
34:10
Speaker 1: from small towns in the South. It used to be
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Speaker 1: we knew our neighbors, okay. But now in this world
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Speaker 1: that we lived in, it so far flung you could
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Speaker 1: be talking to anybody. As a matter of fact, we
34:23
Speaker 1: learned from the prosecutor in the GBI in the Running case,
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Speaker 1: the perp who, by the way, the bodies are found
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Speaker 1: not far from his parents three hundred acre farm. So
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Speaker 1: this guy was not uneducated, illiterate, had no hope of
34:41
Speaker 1: going further in life. Desperate parents have a three hundred
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Speaker 1: acre farm. Long story short. He had been using the
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Speaker 1: same disposable cell phone to call other people looking for
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Speaker 1: antique cars and all sorts of items, and apparently he
34:58
Speaker 1: had none of those items. He would just lure them
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Speaker 1: there and then kill them. For all we know, there
35:04
Speaker 1: could be other victims out there that are now simply
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Speaker 1: reported as missing. To leave my page, I want to
35:11
Speaker 1: circle back to Jocelyn and Joseph Rowland, whose family, their
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Speaker 1: five children now growing up as orphans. What more do
35:20
Speaker 1: we know about the case. Where are the children? And
35:23
Speaker 1: is Kyrie Brown facing the death penalty? We don't know
35:27
Speaker 1: if Kyrie Brown is facing the death penalty, Nancy. But
35:31
Speaker 1: just to tell you more about how he was captured.
35:34
Speaker 1: When they got his cell phone information and they used
35:37
Speaker 1: it to track down his location. He was in the
35:39
Speaker 1: passenger of another passenger seat of another vehicle and when
35:44
Speaker 1: police went to approach the vehicle, it's sped off and
35:48
Speaker 1: they were apprehended. But they tried to flee from police.
35:51
Speaker 1: So that tells you something right there. They knew that
35:54
Speaker 1: they were in trouble. Yeah, have fun with that at trial.
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Speaker 1: Troy Slayton, criminal defense attorney, joining me out of LA
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Speaker 1: if you have any information that could help the Roland family.
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Speaker 1: Seven two zero nine one three stop seven two zero
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Speaker 1: nine one three seven eight six seven, We wait as
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Speaker 1: justice unfolds. Nancy Grace crime story signing off, goodbye friend,