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Ep. 35 | The Imitation of Mystery: Witchcraft, Wonder, and the Journey to Jesus · Sasquatch & Sourdough

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SPEAKER_01: Welcome back to Sasquatch and Sourdough.
0:20
SPEAKER_01: I am your host, Christina, and guys, tonight it's another rainy, stormy night in Baltimore because it's Baltimore and summer.
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SPEAKER_01: I have my really good friend, my new, not so new, because he's been on the show before, Jesse, aka the handyman preacher on TikTok.
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SPEAKER_01: I got it.
0:41
SPEAKER_01: I got it.
0:43
SPEAKER_01: Guys, you've known him from Fellowship of the Fringe.
0:46
SPEAKER_01: If you've caught Fellowship of the Fringe, we've done a couple episodes.
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SPEAKER_01: Um, but I kind of thought it was time that we just sat down and got your story on the record here.
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SPEAKER_01: Uh, and you've also had some really weird stuff going on that we've been talking about.
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SPEAKER_03: So a lot of strange stuff.
1:01
SPEAKER_03: Um a lot of spiritual stuff.
1:03
SPEAKER_03: Let's put it that way.
1:05
SPEAKER_01: That's crazy.
1:05
SPEAKER_01: All right.
1:06
SPEAKER_01: Before we jump into that though, do you want to um just like kind of tell everybody like a little bit of your testimony and how you like what you're doing on TikTok?
1:14
SPEAKER_01: Because we've kind of talked about it a little bit, but never really like in detail.
1:19
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:20
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's no issue.
1:21
SPEAKER_03: So, like, you know, it's wonderful to be here.
1:23
SPEAKER_03: I appreciate the invite.
1:25
SPEAKER_03: And uh, this is exciting.
1:26
SPEAKER_03: I love opportunities to share the gospel and you know what God has done in my life.
1:32
SPEAKER_03: And uh, I have a very unique sort of testimony, and I don't try to have a unique testimony, it just happened, right?
1:39
SPEAKER_03: And uh, I was involved in the witchcraft long, long before I was a Christian, and uh I practiced the arts, I did everything that I could.
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SPEAKER_03: I hate calling them art because they're really nothing special.
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SPEAKER_03: You're just a puppet to these things, and uh, you know, God led me out of that, and it was actually through a dream that God led me out of that.
1:58
SPEAKER_03: And um, it wasn't even so much meeting God in a dream, it was meeting a demon in a dream, and he pushed me towards God uh because at that time I didn't attend church.
2:08
SPEAKER_03: I was young, I was like 13, 14, and uh, you know, it just pushed me into God's sort of castle, I guess you would say.
2:18
SPEAKER_03: And the enemy made a declaration against me in that dream, and that's sort of what started my Christian journey.
2:24
SPEAKER_03: When I woke up from that dream, uh I started researching every religion from Krishna, the Muslim faith.
2:32
SPEAKER_03: I mean, you name it, I grabbed it, I went to libraries because we didn't really have the internet at that time.
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SPEAKER_01: No, Jesse, we've talked about that before.
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SPEAKER_01: That was like totally my whole thing, too.
2:42
SPEAKER_01: We didn't have the internet, it was the library, right?
2:45
SPEAKER_01: I wonder how many people like legit have gotten into the occult because the like occult section in the card catalog.
2:55
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
2:55
SPEAKER_03: It's true, right?
2:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: And we we would go, and I have stories about this with even my boy.
3:00
SPEAKER_03: We would go to libraries, and you know, it's amazing.
3:03
SPEAKER_03: Barnes and Noble, they have it right in your face.
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SPEAKER_03: I mean, yeah.
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SPEAKER_01: Barnes and it's so funny because we went, we don't really go there as often.
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SPEAKER_01: I I don't really go.
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SPEAKER_01: I mean, I just I'm sadly just buying my books on Amazon now.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, but the last time we were at Barnes and Noble, exactly, there was all kinds of that stuff.
3:21
SPEAKER_01: Just but it's funny because like I I I sit there and I like kind of watch the people and I'm just like, man, I totally was you.
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SPEAKER_01: Like, I totally get it.
3:29
SPEAKER_01: Like, I totally get the appeal.
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SPEAKER_03: It makes it makes sense for And l you know, I to me I always feel bad for people who are searching for that because they don't understand the sources that they're playing with or what's really playing with them.
3:44
SPEAKER_03: I mean, that stuff isn't there for them to utilize, it's to utilize them, it's to live through them and to do their bidding.
3:51
SPEAKER_03: That's all that is.
3:52
SPEAKER_03: And like, you know, I have this conversation all the time because I always lead in with witchcraft because it's so much more enticing than Christianity.
4:01
SPEAKER_03: So it brings people's guards right down, and that's not manipulation, that's not a tactic, it's just my testimony.
4:08
SPEAKER_03: And people are so curious about the dark because they see it on TV.
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SPEAKER_03: Is this stuff really real?
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SPEAKER_03: You know, Hollywood blasts this stuff into our faces.
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SPEAKER_03: And so any chance I have, I love taking people out of the dark, bringing them into the light.
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SPEAKER_03: And the easiest way to do that is to tell them what Jesus did for me.
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SPEAKER_03: He saved me from all that stuff, yeah.
4:30
SPEAKER_03: And still is, right?
4:32
SPEAKER_03: And uh that's that's a personal angle of mine.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, anytime I'm doing this, I always enjoy sharing the gospel through the dark.
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SPEAKER_03: And I always consider people who have played with witchcraft touched by the dark because those demons know you intimately, they know your bloodlines, they know everything about you, they get to know you because they have nothing else to do, nothing to live for.
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SPEAKER_03: Well, primarily because they're all dead, you know.
4:56
SPEAKER_01: Right.
4:57
SPEAKER_01: Well, they want they just want to inhabit, like they want to live through us, basically.
5:02
SPEAKER_01: Like it's the whole thing, it it's just like the whole, yeah, we were talking about narcissists.
5:07
SPEAKER_01: It's like the whole jealousy, yeah, like kind of aspect of it.
5:10
SPEAKER_01: It is, yeah.
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SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's and I mean each one's just as evil as the next.
5:15
SPEAKER_03: So, you know, tarot cards, divination, all of it, seances, the Ouija board, I have stories regarding every piece of this stuff, and uh, you know, people just loosely play with it.
5:28
SPEAKER_01: I have a question for you, like because we've talked about this quite a bit, like at least on Fellowship of the Fringe, and I always just I feel like the more that I talk about this stuff, the more that I'm just kind of wondering do you think that there's a reason that certain people are more drawn to darkness than than not to much?
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SPEAKER_01: And even now, like I mean, you know, I've been I've been walking with Jesus since 2019.
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SPEAKER_01: I still prefer you know the dark, the darker thing, like darker things, like dark humor, dark everything.
6:03
SPEAKER_01: Right.
6:03
SPEAKER_01: Like I'm still kind of that person, but just not that person.
6:09
SPEAKER_03: I don't know how to explain it.
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SPEAKER_03: No, and listen, there's a couple things I would love to say here.
6:13
SPEAKER_03: If you know, just if you have questions, just stop me.
6:17
SPEAKER_03: So my my whole life, and it took me up until like maybe five years ago to really realize this.
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SPEAKER_03: Every generation in my family has known have witches, every one of them.
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SPEAKER_03: Some sort of witchcraft, some sort of this.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh, their last name literally means blazing witch.
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SPEAKER_03: Uh, and you know, I I don't always like giving this.
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SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, some of the uncles and aunts will be like, no, that means we burnt witches.
6:46
SPEAKER_03: No, it means blazing witches.
6:48
SPEAKER_03: I I have looked this up.
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SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, so every generation, including after me, has been drawn by witchcraft, whether it's crystals, divination, uh, tarot cards, you name it, uh, necromancy, whatever it may be, casting, Wicca.
7:04
SPEAKER_03: We could go through all, but Santa Maria, you name it.
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SPEAKER_03: It has touched my family in some way, shape, or form.
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SPEAKER_03: Um, you know, and this goes the whole way through my bloodlines.
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SPEAKER_03: So I do believe there are bloodlines that have it worked into them.
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SPEAKER_03: I absolutely do.
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SPEAKER_03: And that could be from the fallen, it could be from all these different things.
7:25
SPEAKER_03: And, you know, I want everybody listening to know that I'm not giving glory to the dark at all.
7:29
SPEAKER_03: I don't want anybody to ever think that I'm glorifying the dark.
7:32
SPEAKER_03: God is omnipotent, he is the king of kings, lord of lords.
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SPEAKER_03: He is the most high.
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SPEAKER_03: There is no one above him.
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SPEAKER_03: He has omnipotence, he's full power.
7:42
SPEAKER_03: So, you know, with this, as we're talking, if this is triggering you, you're more than welcome to ask comments, whatever, or ask in the comments what's going on.
7:52
SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, I'll always try to respond if I see it, stuff like that.
7:56
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know.
7:57
SPEAKER_01: Does that happen a lot with your content?
7:59
SPEAKER_01: Do you get like a lot of people that are like Yeah.
8:02
SPEAKER_03: Oh, yeah.
8:02
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you so like what would be a trigger.
8:04
SPEAKER_01: Is it you mean just like Christians?
8:06
SPEAKER_01: Is it it's the Christians, isn't it?
8:08
SPEAKER_03: Christians get triggered negatively, right?
8:10
SPEAKER_03: And then there are some people who are coming out of the trauma of witchcraft.
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SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
8:15
SPEAKER_03: And there is some very deep trauma coming into this.
8:19
SPEAKER_03: You know, I almost had a feeling to text you and like, just hit me with a random time that day, and I will make it a point to try to come on the podcast because I didn't want to give Satan a moment more to prolong.
8:33
SPEAKER_03: Because I know there's somebody that needs to hear this information through your podcast.
8:37
SPEAKER_01: I'm actually gonna it's so funny that because you've you said that to me like when we because we had to reschedule some things because I had some personal stuff come up.
8:44
SPEAKER_03: And then I did too.
8:45
SPEAKER_01: And then I was just like, okay, like to uh the when I texted you, I was like, let's just let's just go.
8:52
SPEAKER_01: Like I feel like God is just ready.
8:54
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
8:54
SPEAKER_01: Um, but also it's crazy because I had I recorded last week with with Bo Kennedy and I told him that I was gonna put in this, so I'm actually gonna drop this one first.
9:02
SPEAKER_01: So sorry, Bo, you have to wait a week because God said so.
9:05
SPEAKER_05: Oh, I'm like, No, no, no.
9:07
SPEAKER_01: I really feel like because we've been talking about this, and I'm just kind of like, yeah, no, I mean, we I was like, we have to get this, this is you feel really, really called to like get this out.
9:18
SPEAKER_03: So well, and you know, so this happens every so often, and it's usually when there's somebody that needs to come out of the dark.
9:29
SPEAKER_03: And when I say the dark, I mean Satan's grasp.
9:32
SPEAKER_03: That's really what I'm saying.
9:33
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, my son randomly came down sick, he was horrifically vomiting.
9:40
SPEAKER_03: We're like, what is going on?
9:41
SPEAKER_03: You know, I woke up on my couch, I looked out my window, I seen pentagram in the tree.
9:46
SPEAKER_03: Uh the way the sticks did you see?
9:49
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that was crazy.
9:51
SPEAKER_03: That was crazy.
9:52
SPEAKER_03: And then I I put in the one group chat we're in of the fringe, the fellowship of the fringe, all of us are in there.
9:58
SPEAKER_03: And, you know, as soon as Shelly prayed, which was one of the members, she's you know, off another podcast, fantastic.
10:05
SPEAKER_03: But uh, you know, once they prayed immediately, my wife, and she didn't hear the prayer.
10:10
SPEAKER_03: I read it in my mind, and I'm not making this up.
10:12
SPEAKER_03: I have no reason to do any of these stories and make any of this up.
10:16
SPEAKER_01: No, you don't have to quantify that either.
10:18
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, well, you know, but I always, you know, TikTok, everybody's like, oh, you're just making this.
10:23
SPEAKER_03: I'm not.
10:23
SPEAKER_03: This is real.
10:24
SPEAKER_03: I have no reason to lie.
10:26
SPEAKER_03: We're not making millions of dollars from this.
10:28
SPEAKER_01: So, you know, I don't produce anything on TikTok, so that's a whole different thing.
10:33
SPEAKER_03: I'm dealing with a very critical audience.
10:35
SPEAKER_03: You are yeah.
10:36
SPEAKER_03: These people are nuts, anyways.
10:39
SPEAKER_03: But no, you know, she goes, Look, there's a red cardinal out the window.
10:43
SPEAKER_03: And I said, What?
10:44
SPEAKER_03: And it's right in the same spot of where that pentagram was.
10:48
SPEAKER_03: And uh literally I it was not.
10:50
SPEAKER_01: This picture, guys, like literally hit this picture, it's not even I know a lot of you are gonna be like, Oh, because I always question with Bigfoot with like the the tree structures and stuff like that.
11:02
SPEAKER_01: And I've tried to have like a couple guys come on to talk about that because I'm always leery about those things where I'm like, oh, that could have been that, that could have been that.
11:11
SPEAKER_01: This there was no way that like birds knocked into these little branches and made these little pentagram.
11:20
SPEAKER_01: Like it was just a it was insane.
11:22
SPEAKER_01: Like it was insane.
11:23
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know if I want to post it.
11:25
SPEAKER_01: It's up to you, but I could post it at some point.
11:27
SPEAKER_01: But like it was crazy because I was like, yeah, no, that's very you could like trace it.
11:33
SPEAKER_03: You could trace it, you can see it.
11:35
SPEAKER_03: And I took multiple pictures because I'm like, am I insane?
11:38
SPEAKER_03: And I don't like doing this because anytime I do this type of stuff, you know, you get fanatical Christians who are like above, they're so heavenly minded, they're no earthly good, is what I always say.
11:48
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah, we say that around my church all the time.
11:50
SPEAKER_03: There you go.
11:51
SPEAKER_03: You gotta be here.
11:52
SPEAKER_03: Jesus was a carpenter for the majority of his life.
11:55
SPEAKER_03: He worked with the blue-collar people, right?
11:57
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, he only did Yeah, he did ministry three years before the religious were like, get rid of this man, get him gone.
12:05
SPEAKER_01: It's wild when you he knew everything about like hurry up and wait.
12:08
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
12:09
SPEAKER_03: He worked construction.
12:10
SPEAKER_03: He did.
12:10
SPEAKER_03: My man and you know, he worked with the rough and tough people.
12:14
SPEAKER_03: So, like, you know, you gotta be realistic whenever you're dealing with Christianity, even though they're supernatural items.
12:21
SPEAKER_03: Uh, and I think that's the best part about coming out of the witchcraft is we see patterns, we see things that other Christians just and it's not really real until you understand there's always a twist and a turn for you.
12:34
SPEAKER_03: You know, there's something going on working against you or for you at all times.
12:39
SPEAKER_01: So I think my question, so for me at least, like, so I don't really know a lot about like your your story of it.
12:47
SPEAKER_01: Like, because you said when you were younger, yeah.
12:50
SPEAKER_01: Um, I want you to get into that.
12:52
SPEAKER_01: But like, I guess my question is like, when do you think, like, okay, I'm I'm totally like just making this a mountain out of a molehill?
13:00
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know, when like am I freaking myself out?
13:02
SPEAKER_01: Am I getting superstitious?
13:04
SPEAKER_01: Because I do that a lot with signs and things like that.
13:08
SPEAKER_01: Again, with the owl, the conversation that I had with Bo Kennedy, we talked about owls, and then like literally Friday night when my mother was here, there the owl was there.
13:19
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, Let me just tell you what's up with the owl.
13:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
13:24
SPEAKER_03: Like that's wild because I don't talk to too many people that know about the owl lore.
13:30
SPEAKER_03: And uh you if so, here's the main lore that I grew up with.
13:33
SPEAKER_01: The owls are not what they seem.
13:35
SPEAKER_03: No, and when you hear an owl at night, that represents death, right?
13:41
SPEAKER_03: And that's what I was always taught.
13:43
SPEAKER_03: When you hear whoo-hoo in the trees at night, and I have a recent story with this, and so this is the thing.
13:50
SPEAKER_03: All of nature is connected, and I don't think Christians want to hear this.
13:54
SPEAKER_03: I will not kill things, I will not smash spiders, I will save them, I will release them.
13:59
SPEAKER_03: And, you know, I test this in everybody's life that I know has turmoil.
14:03
SPEAKER_03: They do not take care of the creatures around them, they may take care of their dog, but creatures that are just existing, they'll smash, they'll do all these things, and there's this wicked tendency that they have just to hurt things, just to hurt them, just because they have that dominion, and that usually reflects on them.
14:20
SPEAKER_03: So all nature is connected.
14:22
SPEAKER_03: And if you don't believe this, go learn about trees and their sequences with one another.
14:28
SPEAKER_03: Go learn about crows and their friendships that reach thousands of miles.
14:33
SPEAKER_03: It's wild stuff.
14:34
SPEAKER_01: And we can make friends with crows.
14:36
SPEAKER_03: I love crows.
14:37
SPEAKER_03: I used to have three crows.
14:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I used to have three crows that would visit me every day at my work, and I would call them Mo Leary and Curly, I think you know, the three stages.
14:46
SPEAKER_03: Three stages.
14:47
SPEAKER_03: But I would throw them bread and they would be there every day to the point of where they were bringing gifts.
14:52
SPEAKER_03: And uh, I miss those guys.
14:54
SPEAKER_03: Oh I look forward to seeing them.
14:56
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, right.
14:58
SPEAKER_03: There's lore between all these birds, even cardinals.
15:01
SPEAKER_03: I mean, and then that should we talked about the blood of Christ as a representation.
15:06
SPEAKER_03: The Catholic Church is one of their highest positions, is a cardinal.
15:10
SPEAKER_03: So there's reasons for all that.
15:11
SPEAKER_03: The blood of Christ is what they represent because they're bright red.
15:15
SPEAKER_03: And um, you know.
15:17
SPEAKER_03: So with the owls, I have a crazy story.
15:20
SPEAKER_01: If you got a minute for this, yeah, I want to hear it because that was like ugh, that it was so crazy.
15:25
SPEAKER_01: It was just wild.
15:26
SPEAKER_01: I couldn't believe that I heard that owl again.
15:28
SPEAKER_01: And I'm trying documenting when I hear it.
15:30
SPEAKER_05: Yes.
15:31
SPEAKER_01: Because there's been a couple times, I think I told you guys after we did a fellowship at the fringe, like a really good conversation.
15:36
SPEAKER_01: It it appeared my husband and I were outside having a fire, and it was there, and it was huge.
15:42
SPEAKER_01: It was like a huge barred owl.
15:44
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
15:44
SPEAKER_01: And then the big guy.
15:46
SPEAKER_01: The other day, it was like my mom was here.
15:48
SPEAKER_01: We were talking about some really heavy stuff going on in my family, and we were outside, and I was like, Oh my gosh, the owl.
15:55
SPEAKER_01: Like, so anyway, yeah, I want to hear what's the what's owl lore that you know of.
16:00
SPEAKER_03: So this has only been told here so far.
16:03
SPEAKER_03: I've never shared this with anybody.
16:05
SPEAKER_03: Buckle up.
16:06
SPEAKER_03: This is a wild story.
16:07
SPEAKER_05: I'm ready.
16:09
SPEAKER_03: So this was probably October last year, and I get products off TikTok.
16:13
SPEAKER_03: We had night vision, and me and the wife hear an owl in a tree, and it's going, whoo-hoo.
16:18
SPEAKER_03: And we're looking with the night vision.
16:20
SPEAKER_03: We're looking, looking, looking, looking, looking.
16:22
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, she goes outside, she sees a deer, has this weird encounter, all these different things happen with her outside.
16:29
SPEAKER_03: She's like, that was a crazy experience, but I think the owl flew away.
16:33
SPEAKER_03: So it this must have been October because we, you know, they have a cul-de-sac party um during Halloween.
16:40
SPEAKER_03: We don't host it, but we go to it.
16:41
SPEAKER_03: And uh, so we went over.
16:43
SPEAKER_03: Nobody dresses up, I don't celebrate any of this.
16:46
SPEAKER_03: We just hang out with our neighbors.
16:48
SPEAKER_03: And she's talking to one of our neighbors.
16:50
SPEAKER_03: I'm not gonna give any names.
16:52
SPEAKER_03: She's talking to one of our neighbors to protect that family.
16:55
SPEAKER_03: And uh she said, Oh, yeah, you know, I've been sitting there listening to that owl for weeks now, and she goes, Nobody else hears him, but she goes, It's so strange that you heard it.
17:05
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like, This is really, really creepy.
17:09
SPEAKER_03: And I asked the other neighbors because I'm like, anyone hear this?
17:13
SPEAKER_03: And you know, our one neighbor's outside constantly at night.
17:16
SPEAKER_03: He's having fires, having parties, whatever.
17:19
SPEAKER_03: And uh he goes, No, I've never heard him before, never heard him.
17:22
SPEAKER_03: And I was like, That's really strange.
17:24
SPEAKER_03: Okay, so this is October, Christmas rolls around, and the lady that I was talking to that heard the owl constantly, and she goes, It's driving me nuts, it's almost made waking me up at night.
17:36
SPEAKER_03: And this is where people go, is this coincidence?
17:39
SPEAKER_03: Is this overdoing it?
17:40
SPEAKER_03: Is it looking for a devil under every rock?
17:42
SPEAKER_03: Her husband executed her and then executed himself.
17:49
SPEAKER_03: What?
17:50
SPEAKER_03: In in a few months later.
17:52
SPEAKER_03: I'm not giving exact dates, nothing because I don't want anybody researching.
17:56
SPEAKER_03: She's next door to me.
17:57
SPEAKER_03: And it's right before Christmas.
17:59
SPEAKER_03: Uh this was wild, this was crazy.
18:02
SPEAKER_03: So, you know, me and my wife are shocked.
18:05
SPEAKER_03: We are shocked.
18:06
SPEAKER_03: And uh the whole cul-de-sac, the whole neighborhood, she was a big name, different things in the area.
18:12
SPEAKER_03: It's absolutely terrible.
18:14
SPEAKER_03: They were fantastic people.
18:16
SPEAKER_03: But this was probably two or three days, or maybe even the next day, I don't remember because I didn't chart it or anything, because I was just so perplexed.
18:24
SPEAKER_03: They posted on Facebook down by the fire hall, and they said, Look at this dead owl.
18:31
SPEAKER_03: This beautiful dead owl.
18:33
SPEAKER_03: And it was dead right in front of the firehouse, which is linked to them.
18:39
SPEAKER_04: What?
18:40
SPEAKER_03: So I was like, Oh, I just got chills, Jesse.
18:43
SPEAKER_03: Oh, well, listen, and I'm not making any of this up.
18:46
SPEAKER_03: I could tell a story forwards, backwards, up, down, left, right, whatever you want.
18:50
SPEAKER_03: Whenever uh, you know, we were listening for that owl in the upcoming months, we've heard nothing.
18:57
SPEAKER_03: There has been no owl since then.
19:00
SPEAKER_03: And it's crazy.
19:02
SPEAKER_03: So people, you know, Christians gotta understand God used birds, he used them on the ark.
19:09
SPEAKER_03: He there were signals always sent.
19:11
SPEAKER_03: The dove flew up after Jesus came out of being baptized.
19:15
SPEAKER_03: There are bird representations all throughout the Bible.
19:18
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, here's the part for me when Christians start getting really strange with this stuff, is when they say stuff out of place, right?
19:28
SPEAKER_03: This stuff doesn't belong here, like, oh my god, I seen a cloud and it looked like a dagger.
19:32
SPEAKER_03: So that's what it was, you know, that just doesn't make sense.
19:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it's out of place.
19:36
SPEAKER_03: But when this stuff holds value, ancient value, and you can link it this way, it has a whole different meaning.
19:43
SPEAKER_03: It has meaning, it has purpose, and it has a presence to it.
19:47
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, what was that?
19:49
SPEAKER_03: Was it a harbinger of death?
19:50
SPEAKER_03: Was that a coincidence, or was that some warning we were ignoring?
19:54
SPEAKER_03: But I know when I hear an owl, the representation, and it's held my whole life.
20:00
SPEAKER_03: It has held.
20:01
SPEAKER_03: My mom would say if a bird flies into your window or door, that's a representation of a warning.
20:07
SPEAKER_03: So always be aware of that.
20:09
SPEAKER_03: There's different stuff like that with birds, and uh, you know, transitions, all these different things.
20:15
SPEAKER_03: Woodpeckers have different meanings if they peck on your house, stuff like that.
20:19
SPEAKER_01: What do you think the warning is?
20:21
SPEAKER_03: Like if a bird flies into your house, like so that's another representation of a harbinger of death or a warning of sickness.
20:29
SPEAKER_03: And uh that's what warning of sickness.
20:32
SPEAKER_03: Okay, warning of sickness.
20:34
SPEAKER_03: Uh, if they fly into your windows and die, again, that's the same sort of thing.
20:38
SPEAKER_03: And that sounds very witchy, that sounds very off base, but these things are linked to different items.
20:44
SPEAKER_03: You don't know what sends that.
20:46
SPEAKER_03: You don't, we're not linked, we're humans.
20:48
SPEAKER_03: We literally put rubber on our feet to disconnect us from the earth, so we don't know, you know.
20:53
SPEAKER_03: Uh I just as a Christian, and I was a minister 15 years, we didn't even get there, right?
20:59
SPEAKER_03: So I was an assembly minister.
21:01
SPEAKER_03: We didn't get there yet.
21:02
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, I am the first person to run away from fanatical Christians.
21:08
SPEAKER_03: So the ones that you can't talk to and you can't have a conversation with, and unless you follow God the way they want you to follow God, you're off base, right?
21:17
SPEAKER_03: And uh, that's not the God we serve.
21:19
SPEAKER_03: Jesus was there with the tax collectors, the prostitutes, the whores, essentially, all the broken, the ones that society, the Pharisees and Sadducees wouldn't even go near because they were too clean.
21:31
SPEAKER_03: That is not who we are supposed to be.
21:33
SPEAKER_03: We're supposed to be Jesus to these people.
21:35
SPEAKER_00: Yeah.
21:36
SPEAKER_03: You know, preach out where you're broken and meet you there.
21:40
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
21:41
SPEAKER_01: So why don't you take us back to that dream?
21:43
SPEAKER_01: Because I think that I think that like people should hear that about that.
21:48
SPEAKER_01: And I've had I've never heard that dream that we had.
21:51
SPEAKER_04: Okay.
21:51
SPEAKER_01: No, yeah.
21:52
SPEAKER_01: So take it, take us there and then like kind of take us through like a little bit of like your the occult stuff, not like obviously ritual, but like if you Right.
22:00
SPEAKER_03: And I try to be very careful.
22:02
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, no, I get it.
22:03
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
22:04
SPEAKER_03: But uh so the dream I had, and I'll just tell it the way it happened.
22:09
SPEAKER_01: Um and you were thirteen?
22:11
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I was around thirteen, that age.
22:14
SPEAKER_03: You know, at this time I wasn't charting because I had no idea the impact that it would have on my life, but I remember the dream.
22:20
SPEAKER_03: So it became a major part of my testimony.
22:23
SPEAKER_03: So in that dream, as I was walking outside of high school with one of my friends or school in general, it may not have been high school at that time, it was a school.
22:30
SPEAKER_03: So we were just walking out of that building and a beautiful car came down the street.
22:34
SPEAKER_03: And I looked at the car and I went, hey, look at that.
22:36
SPEAKER_03: It's beautiful.
22:37
SPEAKER_03: That's an awesome car.
22:38
SPEAKER_03: My friend wasn't my friend no more.
22:40
SPEAKER_03: It was a dark figure.
22:42
SPEAKER_03: And this dream is as real as we're talking.
22:44
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, at this time, Market, I was not a Christian, didn't understand any of this stuff.
22:49
SPEAKER_03: I just knew what I knew through practicing and playing with witchcraft and all that stuff, Dungeons and Dragons.
22:55
SPEAKER_03: And, you know, that dark figure said, Before you get to God, I'll tear you, your family, and your friends apart.
23:01
SPEAKER_03: That was the end of the dream.
23:02
SPEAKER_03: I woke up and I was it was like a cold sweat wake up.
23:05
SPEAKER_03: I was like a fever dream almost, right?
23:07
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you're like, Did that really happen?
23:09
SPEAKER_03: What was that?
23:10
SPEAKER_03: And I had no background in Christianity.
23:12
SPEAKER_03: So, I mean, we were Christian and Easter Catholics, if we would ever even go.
23:17
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, same.
23:19
SPEAKER_03: So, you know, from that point forward, I was like, Well, what the heck did it mean before I get to God, it'll tear me.
23:24
SPEAKER_03: It made a declaration directly against me and my bloodline, my lineage, all of it.
23:30
SPEAKER_03: And uh, with that happening, you know, I started researching Christianity.
23:34
SPEAKER_03: I started researching, and I was talking about this earlier, you know, the Muslim faith, the Korean.
23:40
SPEAKER_03: I started researching Buddhism, all of it.
23:43
SPEAKER_03: Hare Krishna, all of them.
23:45
SPEAKER_03: I tried to learn as much as I could.
23:47
SPEAKER_03: And the only one, and the one I kept coming back to was Christianity because there was no sort of finding wrongs or breakdowns, even the ones I heard didn't make much sense.
23:58
SPEAKER_03: Well, you know, it has spelling errors.
24:01
SPEAKER_03: I can't spell worth anything, so you know, that's not a big deal.
24:05
SPEAKER_03: I relate with that, and uh, you know, punctuation errors, and you know, this king may have been this old and not this old.
24:11
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, this is really what we're saying.
24:13
SPEAKER_03: But I seen the patterns when I was studying the Bible versus the patterns of you know the Quran and Buddhism.
24:22
SPEAKER_03: You know, there's very unique things in each one of them, but Jesus was the deciding factor for me because he said God.
24:30
SPEAKER_03: He didn't say any specific, he said God, he made it known.
24:34
SPEAKER_03: And I, you know, I'm just saying this now and it's making sense.
24:37
SPEAKER_03: He said God.
24:38
SPEAKER_03: So before you get to God, he didn't say before you get to Jesus, he said before you get to God, I'll tear you, your family, and your friends apart.
24:45
SPEAKER_03: And I had no idea what that meant at that time.
24:47
SPEAKER_03: So it just pushed me into God's kingdom.
24:51
SPEAKER_03: That's ultimately what he did there.
24:53
SPEAKER_03: And I don't know if the thing knew that, if it was going to do that to me, but it was a big dark figure.
25:00
SPEAKER_03: I'll never forget it.
25:01
SPEAKER_03: And it was just as real as me and you sitting here talking.
25:04
SPEAKER_03: So that's where my journey began.
25:07
SPEAKER_03: And it wasn't long after that I learned I had a gift of public speak.
25:11
SPEAKER_03: It wasn't something that I practiced at.
25:15
SPEAKER_03: It just came naturally.
25:17
SPEAKER_03: And by that, it led me in the fine arts, it led me into the church, it led me into all these things, Bible club, and it just kept me on the path of wanting to be a pastor.
25:26
SPEAKER_03: And uh God's always dealt with me very differently since those points.
25:30
SPEAKER_03: But I grew up in a very ritualistic style mindset as far as witchcraft goes and the patterns go, and you know, even though you're separating from that stuff, it still holds on to you.
25:42
SPEAKER_03: And uh, that's what I experienced throughout the whole walk with Jesus is this stuff would reappear whenever you get sort of not bored with Christianity, but let's be honest, we all sort of get unenchanted with it.
25:54
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, we talk about that all the time.
25:56
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, yeah.
25:57
SPEAKER_03: It just becomes a natural process of your journey.
26:01
SPEAKER_03: I mean, you just get to a place where you're like, okay, I'm just going to live, and what happens, happens, that sort of thing.
26:06
SPEAKER_03: And then there's moments of clarity and absolutes, and then there's moments of sadness and brokenness, and it feels like you're alone in all of it, you know?
26:16
SPEAKER_03: So we have all those sections, but these things have attached to my bloodlines, and I have stories about breaking them, breaking generational curses.
26:26
SPEAKER_03: It just goes on and on and on.
26:29
SPEAKER_03: And God told me a few years ago to start keeping track, start writing down everything that I'm doing in your life, from what I'm telling you to who you're dealing with, to whatever spirit's speaking to you, write it down, and I'm going to take care of it all.
26:44
SPEAKER_03: And I want you to see it.
26:45
SPEAKER_03: So I did that.
26:45
SPEAKER_03: I call it the book of whispers.
26:47
SPEAKER_03: So that's cool.
26:49
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I have it, and uh, I keep it with all it's always on me.
26:53
SPEAKER_03: Nice.
26:54
SPEAKER_03: I record everything that God has done.
26:56
SPEAKER_03: Or if I hear something spoken to me, I have crazy stories in there or encounters of demons, I have them in there.
27:03
SPEAKER_03: Um, I'll never drink another monster energy drink.
27:06
SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, I'm very careful as a Christian what I do.
27:10
SPEAKER_03: Why?
27:10
SPEAKER_03: What happened?
27:11
SPEAKER_03: Listen, man.
27:14
SPEAKER_03: So my son, he's adopted, and uh, you know, for years, it was always me that couldn't have kids.
27:21
SPEAKER_03: And we we've been married 20 years, going on 20 years, and uh, it's always been a struggle in that way.
27:27
SPEAKER_03: We always wanted kids, and we have an awesome son now, but we did foster care, did that whole thing, and through that, God showed me that he was breaking the bloodline curse on my family, he was crafting in a child, right?
27:39
SPEAKER_03: But not with my blood.
27:42
SPEAKER_03: Does this make sense?
27:43
SPEAKER_03: I don't want to seem so crazy.
27:44
SPEAKER_03: And if you don't understand bloodlines, go read about Jesus and read about the encounters with the Nephilim with his whole bloodline.
27:51
SPEAKER_03: And I believe God did that on purpose, so the bloodline that I have will be broken, and that's fine.
27:58
SPEAKER_03: But, you know, coming out of this, God has taken me to all these different paths and done some crazy stuff with this.
28:06
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, I always can have these conversations with atheists, with witches, and be able to, you know, be like, look at God.
28:14
SPEAKER_03: You don't need rocks, you don't need tarot cards, you don't need to know your future if you just put all that in the hands of God.
28:21
SPEAKER_03: And I think people forget that, you know, you're worshiping stars and stuff.
28:26
SPEAKER_03: There's nothing there for you.
28:27
SPEAKER_01: I think the thing is, like, for me, at least in my experience, knowing a lot of the people that I know and knowing what I came out of personally, it's because, and I say this a little bit more like often and boldly, is that I was sold like a really bad characterization of who God was.
28:48
SPEAKER_02: Yeah, right.
28:49
SPEAKER_01: And that's the problem.
28:50
SPEAKER_01: And I think that again, that makes us not want to be so legalistic and religious because I never like one of the best prayers I ever have heard someone say is God, let me not be the like a bad representation of who you are.
29:07
SPEAKER_01: And let me let let someone not lose faith in you because of the way that I've presented you.
29:14
SPEAKER_01: That happens all the time.
29:17
SPEAKER_01: And I think that that now, like God, Jesus' character, people are like, Yeah, I can get down with Jesus, but I can't get down with God because they don't understand.
29:26
SPEAKER_01: Like now it's like this whole big crazy characterization.
29:30
SPEAKER_01: Because people, I think at the end of the day, and this is my experience for sure, is you want to have that control.
29:38
SPEAKER_01: Because when I was when I was little and I was trying to like make sense of my world, we didn't have like a lot of religion.
29:48
SPEAKER_01: We didn't go to church, we didn't have spirituality.
29:50
SPEAKER_01: There, it was just go to church and pray.
29:52
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely.
29:53
SPEAKER_01: God's gonna fix it.
29:54
SPEAKER_01: But no one explained that God's not gonna fix it the way that you want it to be fixed, you know.
30:00
SPEAKER_01: And I had a lot of crazy spiritual attacks when I was a young girl and you know, shadow people and all that stuff.
30:06
SPEAKER_01: But then I think a lot of that comes from trauma.
30:10
SPEAKER_01: I really, really do.
30:11
SPEAKER_01: I think it comes though, yeah.
30:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, you dealt with the hat man?
30:15
SPEAKER_01: No, I've dealt with a shadow figure though.
30:17
SPEAKER_01: So but I want to hear your hat man story because the hat man always no, you didn't tell me him.
30:23
SPEAKER_01: Okay, but I but but what I'm saying is like I think that I I'm I'm getting I think that God is really just kind of softening my heart in this in this podcast because for a while I was really just getting like super religious with stuff, but now I'm just kind of like I don't really blame people for still staying in the tarot cards because it's safe.
30:44
SPEAKER_01: It's safe and I can control it.
30:46
SPEAKER_01: The rocks, you know, they make me feel better and I can control it.
30:50
SPEAKER_01: And I'm not gonna get hurt because I know a ton of people who have been hurt by not just Christian churches, but a lot of other, I don't even want to say denominations, but like, you know, other stuff, LDS, all the other, all the other stuff.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
31:05
SPEAKER_01: I mean, people can are really Jehovah's Witnesses.
31:08
SPEAKER_01: I know a lot of people that have come out of stuff that are just like, holy crap.
31:13
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't believe I don't want any of your religion.
31:16
SPEAKER_01: If it's your God, I don't want that.
31:17
SPEAKER_01: I would rather worship the moon because it makes and I don't and I get it because there's a lot of hurt and anger.
31:23
SPEAKER_01: So if you were were not presented with a forgiving, loving God because that's his character and he's so amazing.
31:30
SPEAKER_05: Yes, he is.
31:31
SPEAKER_01: So for me, what I understand is those people, they need to experience the Lord.
31:40
SPEAKER_01: They need an experiential time.
31:44
SPEAKER_01: And usually, at least in the stories I've heard, and in my own personal experience, you're not gonna get it until you're like on your knees and you're asking for it.
31:53
SPEAKER_01: Like that's what happened to me.
31:56
SPEAKER_01: That's my testimony.
31:57
SPEAKER_01: It was a dark and stormy night.
31:59
SPEAKER_01: I'm not even kidding, guys.
32:01
SPEAKER_01: I'm not even kidding.
32:03
SPEAKER_01: It legit was a dark and stormy night.
32:05
SPEAKER_01: And I was in my mud room and I was drunk and I was like done with everything.
32:10
SPEAKER_01: I was I was a mess.
32:12
SPEAKER_01: I was like postpartum.
32:13
SPEAKER_01: My audience knows this by now, but like I was a total mess and train wreck and nothing worked.
32:18
SPEAKER_01: And I was just, I went in my mud room and I got down on my knees and I said, I don't know who you are or what you are or if you exist, if it's angels, who am I talking to?
32:27
SPEAKER_01: But I need you, I can't do this on my own anymore.
32:30
SPEAKER_01: I cannot sit, I cannot sit and you know, drink a bunch of wine and look at tarot cards anymore, you know, and right, it not work anymore.
32:40
SPEAKER_05: Isn't that amazing?
32:41
SPEAKER_01: Listen to Lorena McKenna, although I still listen to her, I love her.
32:46
SPEAKER_01: But it's funny because what I did, I would just do the same, like the witchy stuff that I I would do.
32:51
SPEAKER_01: I just I still do, but it's like it's for Jesus instead of myself.
32:55
SPEAKER_01: Like I would stage my kitchen and create atmosphere and then the shadow man would be there and I would be like, I can feel you, I know you're not welcome here.
33:06
SPEAKER_01: I'm protecting my family with the sage.
33:09
SPEAKER_01: And and they were like, Okay, look, isn't she cute?
33:13
SPEAKER_03: She's like, Don't she know we like the smell of that?
33:16
SPEAKER_01: Like, nothing.
33:17
SPEAKER_01: You did nothing into the supernatural or the spiritual because you have no authority.
33:22
SPEAKER_03: Right.
33:22
SPEAKER_01: But you think you do because you think you have the power, and because it feels safe, yeah.
33:28
SPEAKER_03: That's right, man.
33:29
SPEAKER_03: And you know, fighting fire without fire it doesn't lead to anything but damage.
33:34
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
33:34
SPEAKER_03: That's it.
33:35
SPEAKER_03: There's no healing in that, it's only damage.
33:37
SPEAKER_03: I don't know.
33:38
SPEAKER_03: You know, for me, what I've learned over all the years of being a Christian, and maybe you never seen this or heard this perspective, but it was just a realization.
33:47
SPEAKER_03: I was dealing with someone, I forget if he was a friend, but I was sitting there, we were having a conversation about God, and uh it was just a random person in the church, I think, and we were just talking, and this thought just stayed with me.
34:01
SPEAKER_03: Don't really remember the experience all that much, but God in that moment was whatever we were talking about, he said he's viewing me the way he views his father.
34:10
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like so it led to a deeper thought process, and we really, before we have a true relationship with God, if your father's distant, you'll view God as distant.
34:22
SPEAKER_03: If your father's abusive and angry, that's how your relationship with God, you'll view it.
34:27
SPEAKER_03: That's why it's so important to have a good father in and it's a spiritual lead, right?
34:32
SPEAKER_03: There's a reason that it was set up that way.
34:34
SPEAKER_03: And you know, if your grandparents, your father figure and he was always loving and caring and all these things, you naturally will think God's that way.
34:43
SPEAKER_03: If your dad was funny, you'll get a sense of humor going into that relationship.
34:47
SPEAKER_03: But there are so many people without dads, without you know, distant fathers, fathers that never showed them love, and that translates into how they view their beginning or how God is with them.
34:59
SPEAKER_03: You ever realize that?
35:00
SPEAKER_01: Well, yeah.
35:01
SPEAKER_01: That's I mean, that's that makes just too much sense.
35:05
SPEAKER_03: Like it's bizarre, right?
35:06
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
35:07
SPEAKER_03: Because is that how you view God before you went in, you know, to a real relationship?
35:13
SPEAKER_01: So I I definitely felt like um he like he I didn't have the concept of a relation, relational God that you had that you could have a relationship with God.
35:23
SPEAKER_01: I had a concept of you went to ch you went to a Catholic church, you prayed to the all the things, all the things.
35:31
SPEAKER_01: And then maybe, maybe if you were lucky, he would answer your prayers.
35:36
SPEAKER_01: And in my experience, because I was going through so much deep stuff that I was really praying for, like, will my parents stay together?
35:46
SPEAKER_01: Will we, you know, what all the stuff make them stop fighting?
35:50
SPEAKER_01: Like, it was just so much trauma.
35:52
SPEAKER_04: Right.
35:53
SPEAKER_01: And it didn't happen.
35:55
SPEAKER_01: And so it was just one of those things where I was just like, okay, well, no, you're not there because you weren't there then.
36:03
SPEAKER_01: But I didn't have anybody coming alongside of me and saying, like, you know, I mean, I had my nana, but it wasn't like something that it was really, I don't know.
36:12
SPEAKER_01: It wasn't really explained when you're seven and you're traumatized like that and you're dealing with all kinds of crap, like you're just that broken.
36:20
SPEAKER_01: So then that brokenness is just like, okay, well, you allowed me to do this.
36:23
SPEAKER_01: And the the problem is, like, back in those days, you know, you there was no kids' church.
36:29
SPEAKER_01: Like you went, you went and sat and you went to church with your parents, and then you would be sitting there broken and terrible, this little like kid, and then you know, the priest would just be talking about how God died, like Jesus died for your sins.
36:44
SPEAKER_01: Hi.
36:45
SPEAKER_01: I don't understand what that means.
36:47
SPEAKER_01: And I didn't do anything.
36:49
SPEAKER_01: So it's like I get guilt at home and then I get guilt at church.
36:52
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
36:52
SPEAKER_01: Like, so it's just until it's actually and that was just but then again, that's a seed that was planted, right?
36:59
SPEAKER_01: That under you know, that was just a total seed that was planted.
37:03
SPEAKER_01: So that's like a big part of my story, is that how that you know, little ones just don't understand things and they see they see your encounters with God like through you, you know.
37:16
SPEAKER_01: So you're so the parents are the ones that are representing who God is to them, or you know, showing them faith, showing them what it is.
37:24
SPEAKER_01: And it wasn't like wow, God's really gonna heal this, or wow, you know, it was just like we're both so broken and traumatized, we can't even, you know, get it together.
37:35
SPEAKER_01: Right.
37:35
SPEAKER_02: So which is wow.
37:37
SPEAKER_02: And it's sad.
37:38
SPEAKER_01: It is, and I'm sure there's a lot of people like that's why people turn to the occult.
37:42
SPEAKER_02: So of course it really is empowering, right?
37:45
SPEAKER_01: It is very empowering, and I completely 100% understand.
37:49
SPEAKER_01: That's why I love that we turn the conversation to this re-enchanting idea.
37:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because the they're not gonna people are not gonna go to church.
37:58
SPEAKER_01: I can sit there and I can invite a thousand people to church, all of my friends that are in the occult, or you know, whatever.
38:04
SPEAKER_01: They're not gonna go because they're definitely they're gonna think that it's like that experience that I got.
38:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh, or I went to this one church and it was really weird, or you know, whatever.
38:13
SPEAKER_01: I mean, sometimes church is weird.
38:16
SPEAKER_01: It's just it's a bunch of it's a bunch of broken, just a bunch of broken people trying to have an encounter with God.
38:22
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it really, really is.
38:24
SPEAKER_03: And you know, I understand the humanism behind it all.
38:27
SPEAKER_01: I really do.
38:28
SPEAKER_01: I really do.
38:29
SPEAKER_03: And you know, the compassion and empathy are so important to have.
38:33
SPEAKER_03: And, you know, for a long time, because I was a minister, brick and mortar, I did youth ministry, every type of ministry, children's ministry, I was a worship leader.
38:41
SPEAKER_03: I led the worship ministry, I did lead pastoring, you know, stand-in pastoring, all of it.
38:46
SPEAKER_03: I did it all, evangelizing, whatever missionary you name it.
38:51
SPEAKER_03: We did it.
38:51
SPEAKER_03: And uh the bureaucracy and really the politics are what jaded me towards not all churches are that way.
39:00
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, but every church I was with, there was a power struggle.
39:04
SPEAKER_03: There was the boards that would struggle.
39:05
SPEAKER_03: There's we gotta count the numbers.
39:08
SPEAKER_03: Hey, make sure the worship team hits A minor correctly because they screwed that up.
39:13
SPEAKER_03: And we're having meetings about this when we know all the non-Christians are across the way at giant eagle because Sunday Christians are naturally in church.
39:22
SPEAKER_03: What are we doing?
39:23
SPEAKER_03: And God just started taking me away from that a lot.
39:25
SPEAKER_03: He said, I'm going to shift your ministry.
39:27
SPEAKER_03: It's not going to be like a normal ministry, and we're going to go into these places.
39:32
SPEAKER_03: So at the very beginning of that, I was bitter, and God had to really handle that in a very unique way with me through just being patient with me and allowing me to go through that journey, and he did.
39:44
SPEAKER_03: And uh not once did he make a fool of any of that with me, and he could have.
39:49
SPEAKER_03: He could have brought me out to the light and beat me and stoned me, but he had grace and mercy through all that and allowed me to work with that.
39:56
SPEAKER_03: And that's the beautiful part about coming to God is he's not going to air out all of your dirty laundry, he's not going to beat you in the streets, nothing like that.
40:06
SPEAKER_03: He wants you to leave those things behind and that bitterness and the anger you have towards him or his people or the things you screwed up or the things they screwed up for you and whoever you're blaming.
40:18
SPEAKER_03: He wants to handle that.
40:19
SPEAKER_03: And he has a beautiful way to do it.
40:21
SPEAKER_03: Sometimes he just lets you go through it.
40:24
SPEAKER_03: And he and like, you know, working through your stuff is so awesome.
40:31
SPEAKER_03: It's much easier to do with God.
40:33
SPEAKER_03: You know, that's what I found.
40:34
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
40:35
SPEAKER_01: And unfortunately, I think that's just it.
40:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, we're in this kind of you know, we t we talked about this in um Fellowship of the Fringe, where I can't remember the guy's name, Josh Nadal was saying that we're in this, like, we're in this pre-Christian world.
40:50
SPEAKER_01: We're kind of back to the pre-Christian, like we're just a bunch of St.
40:54
SPEAKER_01: Patrick's, like in Ireland, like beating snakes away.
40:58
SPEAKER_04: Yeah.
40:58
SPEAKER_01: Which I love that I 100% love that imagery because I think Ireland is probably the most magical place ever, and I can't wait to go.
41:05
SPEAKER_01: But like, you know, we're kind of here, you know.
41:09
SPEAKER_01: I know, I've never been to Italy.
41:10
SPEAKER_05: No.
41:11
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh.
41:12
SPEAKER_01: I saw, oh, this this is now we're gonna go down a side trail.
41:16
SPEAKER_01: But like, one of the funniest things I've seen in a long time is this video, and it's these guys that are like in their driveway, and they're like, We um we can't afford a trip to Italy, so we're just gonna pretend in our driveway.
41:30
SPEAKER_01: And they literally have like a little table, and they have like a little like white tablecloth, and they're drinking wine, and they're like hand rolling cigarettes, and they're like feeding a dog sausage, and I'm like, oh my gosh, that's Italy.
41:42
SPEAKER_02: That's Italy.
41:43
SPEAKER_01: If you wouldn't have if you wouldn't have said that's not Italy, I would have been like, anyway, I had a great it's the funniest video ever.
41:49
SPEAKER_01: It's probably on TikTok and it made its way to Instagram.
41:51
SPEAKER_01: I have to check it.
41:52
SPEAKER_01: Like all good things.
41:53
SPEAKER_01: Right.
41:53
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
41:54
SPEAKER_01: No.
41:54
SPEAKER_03: You know, TikTok's the first exactly.
41:57
SPEAKER_01: And then we just like regram everything on TikTok.
41:59
SPEAKER_01: It's going down now.
42:01
SPEAKER_01: I know.
42:01
SPEAKER_01: But um, but no, that's like, I don't know, that's just the whole thing is I think that what people just don't see in all of that.
42:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, we're just kind of getting back into this reenchanting, this like where everything is just so weird.
42:15
SPEAKER_01: It's everything is just magical.
42:17
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
42:18
SPEAKER_01: But now I think we have this opportunity to really authentically show God.
42:23
SPEAKER_01: Right.
42:24
SPEAKER_01: Like the really true characteristic of God.
42:26
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think it's kind of just been tasked to our generation, to this generation, where it's like, look, you know, the weird 80s stuff is gone.
42:36
SPEAKER_02: Right.
42:37
SPEAKER_01: We get it.
42:37
SPEAKER_01: Like everything, yeah, everything got really weird for a long time.
42:44
SPEAKER_03: A lot of people dance around and do weird things.
42:47
SPEAKER_01: We went from like really murdering a whole bunch of people because we thought they were witches, even though I mean the devil didn't really need a lot of help with that because he just, I have a lot of, I don't know.
42:57
SPEAKER_01: I'm just like, really, something was going on there that there was a lot more to there was a lot more going on there.
43:03
SPEAKER_01: But so then it's like this whole big claim against superstition.
43:08
SPEAKER_01: Remember like the 16s, 1700s, like, oh, we're not superstitious anymore.
43:12
SPEAKER_01: Like, this is where here we are.
43:14
SPEAKER_01: Like, and now we're just in this like postmodern society of everything is disgustingly gross.
43:20
SPEAKER_01: I literally went to my post office box today, which is in a really beautiful place in Maryland, and I specifically put it out there.
43:30
SPEAKER_01: Like, I really feel like I will God, I'm pretty sure God told me to do it.
43:34
SPEAKER_01: But like, it was like I had to choose somewhere to go.
43:36
SPEAKER_01: And it was just like, oh, hides was highlighted to me.
43:40
SPEAKER_01: And it's a beautiful place.
43:41
SPEAKER_01: And I just I leave my little city and I drive out there and I pick up the stuff.
43:46
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just like, oh my gosh, literally just driving out of the city completely changed the atmosphere of my heart.
43:54
SPEAKER_03: Yep, yep, yep, yep, yep.
43:58
SPEAKER_03: I'm good.
44:00
SPEAKER_03: That place is a trash bag.
44:01
SPEAKER_03: I'm sorry if you live in New York.
44:03
SPEAKER_00: I know.
44:04
SPEAKER_03: If there's this place where you just throw trash outside all day, every day, and there's rats the size of my 30-pound dog running around.
44:11
SPEAKER_00: No, that's Baltimore.
44:12
SPEAKER_00: So I live in Baltimore.
44:12
SPEAKER_00: I'm in Baltimore.
44:13
SPEAKER_00: I live in Baltimore.
44:14
SPEAKER_03: Listen, I'm in Pittsburgh.
44:16
SPEAKER_03: I mean most we have are just crazy people running around, maybe chasing you here.
44:20
SPEAKER_03: It's a good city, but it's four.
44:21
SPEAKER_01: Did you realize this?
44:23
SPEAKER_01: Only God.
44:24
SPEAKER_01: All right.
44:25
SPEAKER_01: I don't know who's gonna get this reference out there, but only God would put together a Baltimore person.
44:34
SPEAKER_03: I could care less.
44:34
SPEAKER_01: I really don't care.
44:35
SPEAKER_03: I don't care.
44:36
SPEAKER_01: That's why we don't care.
44:37
SPEAKER_01: See, look at that.
44:38
SPEAKER_03: But you know what?
44:39
SPEAKER_03: My listen, my boy.
44:40
SPEAKER_01: Eyes on the prize.
44:42
SPEAKER_03: He he's he was a Baltimore Ravens fan.
44:44
SPEAKER_03: His whole family, he was from Baltimore.
44:47
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
44:47
SPEAKER_03: And uh so it's not that far fetched.
44:49
SPEAKER_03: I served under him, and at that time I really liked the New England Patriots.
44:53
SPEAKER_03: I don't really do football anymore.
44:55
SPEAKER_03: So, you know, but Pittsburgh Steelers, that's the way to go, I guess.
44:58
SPEAKER_01: So funny.
44:59
SPEAKER_01: Any no, I don't care.
45:00
SPEAKER_03: It's wild.
45:01
SPEAKER_03: I don't care.
45:01
SPEAKER_01: It's so funny because like any other, I guess, like arena of conversation.
45:06
SPEAKER_01: If we weren't sitting, if we were like in a bar, we would be like stupid idiot.
45:12
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, get out of here.
45:13
SPEAKER_01: Loser Rothesburger.
45:15
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
45:16
SPEAKER_03: You Rothburger, you knew.
45:17
SPEAKER_03: See, you know.
45:18
SPEAKER_01: I know because I hear my mother making fun of him.
45:21
SPEAKER_01: Um this is for my mom, yeah.
45:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, pump fake.
45:24
SPEAKER_01: Right.
45:25
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
45:25
SPEAKER_01: Wait till I tell her that I had a guy on from Pittsburgh.
45:28
SPEAKER_01: That's the first thing.
45:28
SPEAKER_01: If I said that, if I led with that, like, oh, I had this guy on my podcast from Pittsburgh, she would have been like, oh my god.
45:34
SPEAKER_03: Well, listen, at least we won six, right?
45:37
SPEAKER_03: So I mean, what can I do?
45:38
SPEAKER_00: I don't know what that means.
45:39
SPEAKER_00: That sounds like witchcraft.
45:40
SPEAKER_00: No, I'm just kidding.
45:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
45:42
SPEAKER_03: Maybe seven, not a joke.
45:44
SPEAKER_03: No, but you know, it's interesting how God interworks and intertwines everything.
45:49
SPEAKER_03: And you know, I don't know how to say this, but it's so unique whenever you encounter people from different places that otherwise you never encounter.
46:00
SPEAKER_03: It's so unique.
46:02
SPEAKER_03: It's unlike any other faction, I think.
46:04
SPEAKER_01: And that's what I think is happening here.
46:06
SPEAKER_01: And that I got this sense when I started doing this podcast where I was like, this is we're doing this wrong.
46:12
SPEAKER_01: Like, we're we're totally doing this the wrong way.
46:15
SPEAKER_01: We're all getting on the podcast and we're all talking about like I do want you to tell your hat man story, by the way.
46:20
SPEAKER_01: But like, you know what I mean?
46:22
SPEAKER_01: It's like everyone wants to hear about like this spooky thing and that spooky thing.
46:25
SPEAKER_01: Like, I talked to Bo Kennedy, and you know, he was I was like, I I'm tired of you being the Lilith guy.
46:30
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't want to talk about Lilith, but then we ended up talking about it.
46:33
SPEAKER_01: But it's like, you know what I mean?
46:34
SPEAKER_01: We get in these little like niches and we just want to talk about the dog man and the spooky stuff.
46:38
SPEAKER_01: And right, I feel like there's such a bigger call.
46:42
SPEAKER_01: There is like God's got us doing this for a better reason than just like talking about the creepy stuff because the creepy stuff is happening and we're seeing it happen much more.
46:53
SPEAKER_03: Much more.
46:54
SPEAKER_01: All of this stuff is proof.
46:56
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't really need to have any more research or anything like that to prove it to anybody.
47:02
SPEAKER_01: Like, we can all see that the veil is like insanely thin.
47:06
SPEAKER_02: Yeah.
47:07
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't have to read a goosebumps book or go to the library and look up drink a monster, read something.
47:13
SPEAKER_01: But do you know what I mean?
47:14
SPEAKER_01: Like, remember, it used to be like that's how it was.
47:17
SPEAKER_01: We would go and like creep ourselves out, but now I don't need to do that anymore because literally people aren't seeing it.
47:23
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, no, it's true.
47:25
SPEAKER_03: And I'm I'm cracking jokes, but it's um the series.
47:28
SPEAKER_01: Well no, welcome.
47:29
SPEAKER_01: That's what we do here.
47:30
SPEAKER_03: Right, yeah.
47:32
SPEAKER_03: But so, you know, any of these stories with a hat man, anything like that, and if you have direct questions, feel free to ask them.
47:39
SPEAKER_03: I love answering any of these things.
47:41
SPEAKER_01: No, I don't have any qu I I mean I will as they come, but I just want if you have so you said you just mentioned that you had a hat man encounter, and I I've never seen a hat man, but I have seen an entity like a thing.
47:57
SPEAKER_03: How big was that thing?
47:59
SPEAKER_01: So it was it was really crazy because it was always you know, I yeah.
48:05
SPEAKER_05: Was it really?
48:06
SPEAKER_01: No, it's funny because I I spent a lot of time like early on in this podcast, like going on other podcasts and explaining this.
48:14
SPEAKER_01: So the way that I would explain it is it was not like an actual like cut-out blob of black, you know what I mean?
48:23
SPEAKER_01: Like it was more of a presence, right?
48:27
SPEAKER_01: And I could feel the presence.
48:30
SPEAKER_03: I know listen, I know what that means.
48:32
SPEAKER_01: Because the atmosphere of my house was just like hello, come correct.
48:38
SPEAKER_01: Like, just please come and be a part of this.
48:41
SPEAKER_01: And so that was more of it for me, was the presence.
48:45
SPEAKER_01: And it was crazy because I would sit, I would be in my kitchen, and because the kitchen is the heart of your house, like a wife is the heart of her house, like I that's what I was doing, is literally I mean, that's witchcraft.
48:58
SPEAKER_01: I think that we just we never really define our terms of witchcraft anymore because people think that, like, oh, I'm just Harry Potter flipendo, and that's you know what I mean?
49:07
SPEAKER_01: Like they don't understand that's that's it's the pos it's the position and the posture of your heart and it's your intention.
49:14
SPEAKER_01: And I feel like we got away from that word intention as Christians.
49:18
SPEAKER_01: We don't want to say intention, but it's all about your intention.
49:21
SPEAKER_03: It's all about your intention.
49:22
SPEAKER_01: And my intention was that I am the spiritual leader of this house.
49:26
SPEAKER_01: I am in control of all this, you know.
49:29
SPEAKER_01: I would welcome spirits in because I was an empath.
49:33
SPEAKER_04: Yeah, right.
49:34
SPEAKER_01: You know, so I'm jetting all around all the Gettysburg everywhere, just being like, Oh, hello, come, do you want to cross over?
49:42
SPEAKER_01: Like, not knowing what the heck I'm doing.
49:44
SPEAKER_05: Yeah, right.
49:45
SPEAKER_01: Gee, no wonder you have hitchhikers come in your house and God only knows what, you know.
49:50
SPEAKER_01: So I have to like, I mean, that was just crazy.
49:53
SPEAKER_01: But it was it was more of the atmosphere that I was also creating and participating in too, because it didn't take much.
50:00
SPEAKER_03: No, not at all.
50:02
SPEAKER_03: You know, it's really unique because Christians are like, ah, we don't understand that.
50:07
SPEAKER_03: You can feel God's presence, can you not?
50:09
SPEAKER_03: When you're in the right, so what do you do?
50:10
SPEAKER_01: So then you can definitely feel the opposite.
50:12
SPEAKER_01: Correct.
50:13
SPEAKER_03: And you know, again, atmosphere changes.
50:16
SPEAKER_03: People describe them as like the room goes dark even though it's lit.
50:20
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, the goosebumps, that's a frequency response, that's an energy response.
50:27
SPEAKER_03: Um, when you realize something and it hits you different, you get those goosebumps, or you know, if something's there, it sucks the heat out of the room.
50:35
SPEAKER_03: That's an energy source, so it's pulling.
50:37
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, and this isn't just like paranormal investigation, this is stuff that has been known for years.
50:43
SPEAKER_03: Uh, you can literally go and read grimoires and they'll explain the atmospheric change that will happen when certain beings come.
50:52
SPEAKER_03: That's how you know you're in their presence.
50:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, that's crazy that you bring that up because I used to read that stuff all the time.
50:58
SPEAKER_03: It's wild.
50:59
SPEAKER_01: It's the stuff that I used to read that I I and I actually got really heavily rebuked about about that, like not too long ago.
51:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
51:09
SPEAKER_01: Because I used to read all that stuff just to like and I would read and I would write it down, and I would know like, oh, this demon or this thing or whatever I can call on this deity.
51:20
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
51:21
SPEAKER_01: It's all about the deities.
51:22
SPEAKER_01: So I'd have like so that book that you have, I would have like a little spell book that I would make and just write down all my little things.
51:31
SPEAKER_01: And then it was like my own practice, and I could go through and it's like, I'm this is the legacy, I'm gonna leave my grandchildren.
51:37
SPEAKER_01: Like, oh my gosh.
51:38
SPEAKER_01: Um, but the crazy thing is it is, it is because you're because you're doing it on your own, and that's fine until it doesn't work.
51:47
SPEAKER_01: And then, you know, oh man, it's just crazy.
51:51
SPEAKER_01: But like, so the thing is, like, I I had this experience where I had to clean out this house, long story short, like I've shared this before, but like basically I found a bunch of it was right before, or right when I first started the podcast, and I found a bunch of witchcraft, like old witchcraft stuff, and I was doing legit research for a prayer group.
52:13
SPEAKER_01: Um, and they wanted specific research on something, and so I found this book and it had exactly the names of what I needed.
52:25
SPEAKER_01: Wow.
52:26
SPEAKER_01: And I took a picture of it, huh?
52:29
SPEAKER_03: That's interesting.
52:30
SPEAKER_01: So I took a picture of it.
52:31
SPEAKER_01: I didn't take it because I was like, I'm not gonna take anything, right?
52:34
SPEAKER_01: So I don't want to take anything from here and then bring it into my home.
52:38
SPEAKER_01: So I'm just gonna take a picture of it.
52:40
SPEAKER_01: And so then I went home.
52:41
SPEAKER_01: I was going home.
52:42
SPEAKER_01: Takes me about like 40 minutes from this place to get to my house.
52:46
SPEAKER_01: So I'm on the way home, and halfway through getting home, I start feeling really sick.
52:50
SPEAKER_04: Oh no.
52:51
SPEAKER_01: And I'm like, oh, what is this?
52:53
SPEAKER_01: And so like I know now that that is like God being like, it's the Holy Spirit being like, nope, you're doing something wrong.
53:02
SPEAKER_02: Right.
53:03
SPEAKER_01: And so I got home and I was like, okay, what is this?
53:06
SPEAKER_01: Like, I feel like I'm gonna throw up.
53:07
SPEAKER_01: This is I feel awful.
53:10
SPEAKER_01: And I was like, okay, Holy Spirit, like what's going on here?
53:14
SPEAKER_01: And I got a picture in my mind of the picture that I took.
53:19
SPEAKER_01: And so I went through my phone, and it was like, so this is the crazy stuff, right?
53:25
SPEAKER_01: When you try to like tell people this stuff, like it doesn't, there's there's no way to like make it make sense.
53:30
SPEAKER_03: And they're like, Are you just being crazy?
53:32
SPEAKER_03: No, this happens to me constantly.
53:34
SPEAKER_01: God didn't tell me, right?
53:36
SPEAKER_01: He didn't say like a Simpsons like God coming down from a cloud and saying, Christina, you did this.
53:43
SPEAKER_01: Like it just became very aware, and in my spirit, I just heard him say, I took you out of that.
53:53
SPEAKER_01: You are not to go, you are not to go back there for that information.
54:00
SPEAKER_01: Right.
54:00
SPEAKER_01: You come to my book, you don't come to this book.
54:04
SPEAKER_05: Oh, it's like straight up gave me chills.
54:07
SPEAKER_01: But the thing is, like that might not be for that could that's for me.
54:13
SPEAKER_01: That might not be you.
54:15
SPEAKER_01: You might if you're somebody out there might be a demonologist and God told you to go find all the demons and research, and you might be really good in deliverance.
54:23
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
54:24
SPEAKER_01: Fantastic.
54:25
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
54:26
SPEAKER_01: But it was very and so I was like, oh my gosh, I'm so sorry, and deleted.
54:30
SPEAKER_01: Cause it because it wasn't even, and then that's but do you see that?
54:34
SPEAKER_01: Like that kind of brings us all back full circle.
54:36
SPEAKER_01: Because it doesn't even matter, Jesse.
54:38
SPEAKER_01: It doesn't matter if it's the monster energy drink.
54:41
SPEAKER_01: No, it's the obedience of it.
54:42
SPEAKER_02: That's right.
54:43
SPEAKER_01: Like, I think that that's just it.
54:45
SPEAKER_01: Like, it wasn't the book, like, and that was I'll tell and I'll say it now.
54:48
SPEAKER_01: It was the satanic Bible.
54:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
54:50
SPEAKER_01: Like, and I was I'm thumbing through it, like this.
54:53
SPEAKER_03: They have a lot of information about what they believe, you know, and what they call on.
54:58
SPEAKER_01: I'm t I'm just like, I'm not gonna take it.
55:00
SPEAKER_01: And and I'm and I'm a born-again, saved by the blood, baptized, holy spirit-filled Christian, and my butt's over there looking through the satanic Bible.
55:11
SPEAKER_03: And you know, what's really interesting, and you know, so anytime I gotta do research, I'm very cautious because whenever I go into this stuff, and a lot of Christians, you know, sort of snub off on this, and this is where like the witch culture gets it, and everybody gets it.
55:29
SPEAKER_03: You are dealing with all these deities, you're dealing with all these different things, and it's sort of all universally accepted, uh, like the universalist movement, all that.
55:38
SPEAKER_03: Let's all love one another, this sort of thing.
55:40
SPEAKER_03: But, you know, the God of the Bible, Yahweh, Yeshua, Yeshua, however you want to pronunciate it, Jehovah Jirah, uh, El Elion, the Most High, all these names have representations.
55:53
SPEAKER_04: Yes.
55:53
SPEAKER_03: And he sets himself on top of them all.
55:57
SPEAKER_03: And what everybody loses sight in is when Elijah was calling down fire and the prophets of Baal were over there, Elijah was mocking their God.
56:06
SPEAKER_03: He wasn't saying your God's not real, you morons.
56:09
SPEAKER_03: He was mocking him.
56:10
SPEAKER_03: There is a full understanding that Baal and I I don't even like saying their names.
56:15
SPEAKER_03: I don't like any glory.
56:17
SPEAKER_03: Uh but when you look at uh Egyptian gods, God mocking them, and uh, you know, literally every plague was a mockery of their gods.
56:25
SPEAKER_03: Right.
56:26
SPEAKER_03: A straight up mockery.
56:27
SPEAKER_03: God wants us not to ever return to Egypt.
56:31
SPEAKER_03: He never wants us to go back, and it's so important because when you invest yourself in the pages, when you invest yourself into practice, there's a piece of you that stays there, and God pulls you out of it, right?
56:44
SPEAKER_03: So it's so dangerous.
56:46
SPEAKER_03: And I've gotten rid of a lot of any of my writings, any of my jottings.
56:50
SPEAKER_03: It's all gone.
56:51
SPEAKER_03: Right.
56:52
SPEAKER_01: Because especially when you write stuff, oh my gosh, spell work, oh, spell work is just nothing.
56:59
SPEAKER_01: It's crazy to me because like you're binding stuff.
57:03
SPEAKER_03: Like, I mean, I had your your hand.
57:06
SPEAKER_01: With your hand.
57:07
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
57:08
SPEAKER_01: And when I was in that moment, it was almost like he just when I was in the moment with when I was like, what is it that you're showing me?
57:16
SPEAKER_01: It was it wasn't like I said, like he just came down and said, like, I told you not to do this.
57:21
SPEAKER_01: It was literally like a feeling of him pulling me back out and being like, Don't you remember this?
57:32
SPEAKER_03: Don't you remember this?
57:33
SPEAKER_01: You don't want to do you want to go back there?
57:35
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
57:35
SPEAKER_01: Hold on one minute.
57:36
SPEAKER_01: Oh, sure.
57:37
SPEAKER_01: Take a little break.
57:38
SPEAKER_03: Well, I'm gonna have to pick up those books.
57:41
SPEAKER_03: So did you drop whoops.
57:44
SPEAKER_03: So I'm a big leather bound book, and so as a minister, I very rarely write notes.
57:50
SPEAKER_03: Um, I always preach from whatever I was downloading, right?
57:54
SPEAKER_03: And as a Christian, something that God commanded me early on, and I am not a journaler, I do not read all the time, I could barely speak at most rates, but anytime I write my sermons that I would do on Sunday, I will bind them to a book.
58:09
SPEAKER_03: And uh so there was always something, and I didn't realize until just this moment talking about this, that's a practice that I carried over, and that the enemy used for evil that God has made for good.
58:21
SPEAKER_03: Because I go back and read through these, and there's some really practical messages and memories and healings that happened over those, and people encountering Christ and altars packed, and I can remember that anytime I go through these notes, and you can record it on CD, do all that stuff, but there's something about your handwriting, your input to it, your no to the way you handle and dabble and your mind works.
58:46
SPEAKER_03: And I think that's so, so important.
58:49
SPEAKER_03: Christians miss that.
58:50
SPEAKER_03: You should be writing down your conversations anytime you have that.
58:54
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, you should definitely be journaling.
58:56
SPEAKER_03: Absolutely.
58:56
SPEAKER_01: I mean, we're like in the Lamb's Book of Life.
58:59
SPEAKER_01: Like he writes us in.
59:02
SPEAKER_01: He's a creative guy.
59:04
SPEAKER_01: Like, God is creative, he's writing your story.
59:07
SPEAKER_02: Absolutely.
59:10
SPEAKER_03: And you're written.
59:11
SPEAKER_01: You're written, he writes you in.
59:13
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, that's beautiful.
59:14
SPEAKER_01: There's I think we just don't.
59:16
SPEAKER_01: I it's again, like we will I will never stop being amazed at how God is awesome.
59:21
SPEAKER_03: Like amazing.
59:22
SPEAKER_01: And you don't have to be like, you know, wearing a long jean skirt and you know, listening to whatever.
59:31
SPEAKER_01: Like, I was gonna say creed, but now I love Creed.
59:34
SPEAKER_03: Creed.
59:35
SPEAKER_03: Six feet from the edge of all.
59:38
SPEAKER_01: Have you seen every video about that?
59:40
SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness.
59:41
SPEAKER_01: So it's stupid.
59:42
SPEAKER_02: It's stupid, but it's hilarious.
59:44
SPEAKER_01: It's I follow a meme page and it's like just Creed.
59:47
SPEAKER_01: It's called Creed Daily.
59:49
SPEAKER_01: Please, guys, do yourself a favor.
59:51
SPEAKER_01: It's stupid.
59:52
SPEAKER_01: It's just people getting drunk and doing funny Creed things.
59:55
SPEAKER_03: Hey, so be it.
59:56
SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
59:56
SPEAKER_01: I don't care.
59:57
SPEAKER_01: They're gonna have a new album, and I'm really excited about that.
1:00:00
SPEAKER_01: Everybody that used to know me back in the day that's listening to this is like, what is that happened to her?
1:00:04
SPEAKER_03: What is happening?
1:00:05
SPEAKER_03: Jesus.
1:00:06
SPEAKER_03: She listened to Nickelback too.
1:00:08
SPEAKER_03: God have mercy.
1:00:10
SPEAKER_01: I don't know.
1:00:11
SPEAKER_01: I might listen to Nickelback on vacation.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_01: All right.
1:00:13
SPEAKER_01: I want to hear about I want to hear about your hat man story.
1:00:16
SPEAKER_03: Okay, the hat man story, it's not a crazy story.
1:00:18
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:00:19
SPEAKER_03: Um, but I definitely had that encounter.
1:00:21
SPEAKER_03: Uh there's a dark figure at the end of the bed.
1:00:23
SPEAKER_03: He shook my dresser, which I didn't understand any of that.
1:00:27
SPEAKER_03: The dresser vibrantly shook, or violently shook.
1:00:31
SPEAKER_03: And I remember turning around and looking, and I just seen a dark figure with a hat.
1:00:36
SPEAKER_03: And I from that point forward in my like childhood, I slept with the lights on.
1:00:40
SPEAKER_03: Not so much lights on, but the TV was always on.
1:00:43
SPEAKER_03: That's like teenage years.
1:00:45
SPEAKER_03: I came into that.
1:00:46
SPEAKER_03: But my dresser, I'll never forget that because nothing my dresser was huge.
1:00:50
SPEAKER_03: This thing was old, it was from like the 80s, you know how they built real world.
1:00:54
SPEAKER_03: And it I mean, when I say it violently shook, it scared the hell out of me.
1:00:59
SPEAKER_03: And like, you know, this had to be probably in between the Christian witchcraft thing.
1:01:05
SPEAKER_03: And usually they say the hat man appears to people who were trauma in going through things.
1:01:11
SPEAKER_03: And like it, you know, they say he's a guardian, they say all these different things, but nonetheless, he's a shadow.
1:01:16
SPEAKER_03: And I seen the hat, I seen the brim, and you know, just pull the cover over your head, shut your eyes, turn the TV on, and it was gone.
1:01:23
SPEAKER_03: But the encounter actually happened.
1:01:26
SPEAKER_03: So we were at dinner uh with I was with my wife, we were all sitting down, she has a lot of brothers and sisters, and the one brother was talking about something, and somehow we got onto the subject of seeing stuff in your bedroom at night, because they lived in a haunted house, and uh it was a legit crazy experience at that house.
1:01:45
SPEAKER_03: But the one brother's like, Yeah, I used to have this one figure always show up in my bedroom, and he always had a hat on.
1:01:51
SPEAKER_03: You could have heard a pin drop at the table.
1:01:53
SPEAKER_03: The whole table went silent.
1:01:55
SPEAKER_03: And the sister, the sister sitting there goes, You seen him too?
1:02:01
SPEAKER_03: And we were all like, What is going on?
1:02:04
SPEAKER_03: And I said, Yeah, guys, do you know who that was?
1:02:07
SPEAKER_03: Do you know anything about it?
1:02:08
SPEAKER_03: And they're all Christian, and they're like, No, but we seen them, we seen them, and uh, two, I think three out of the nine of them seen him.
1:02:17
SPEAKER_03: And uh I said, That's the hat man, go do some research, and I'll told them and like the whole I think it was like either Thanksgiving or Christmas, the whole table went to the subject, and I'm like, Well, here we are.
1:02:32
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, this is a great Thanksgiving subject.
1:02:35
SPEAKER_03: Jesse ruined it.
1:02:36
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, Great, here we go again, and uh, but it was such a unique, unique, like, oh my god, you see him too, and you could have heard pin drops, and nobody was shook, and usually everybody's acting like idiots, right?
1:02:48
SPEAKER_03: Um, there was no joking with that.
1:02:50
SPEAKER_03: So that's my two experiences with that shadow person.
1:02:54
SPEAKER_01: Crazy.
1:02:56
SPEAKER_03: So yeah, only one isolated experience with him, and I don't know why he was there.
1:03:01
SPEAKER_03: I just figured it was to scare me.
1:03:03
SPEAKER_03: I didn't track it.
1:03:04
SPEAKER_03: I was probably too young to, and uh maybe the Yeah.
1:03:07
SPEAKER_01: I mean to even I mean, I so I had a very similar experience with the furniture, and I when I first told my testimony on the bump podcast, that's like what started all of this.
1:03:21
SPEAKER_01: Like with my podcast and stuff like that, like just try doing something was when I went on Bo Kennedy's show and I just told my testimony and the it's crazy, like when you first start telling your testimony how many different pieces you can get from other people, because it was such a real encounter that I didn't share with a lot of people.
1:03:45
SPEAKER_01: My friend Crystal, who is sometimes on the show now, like she was my co-host, but now she's just kind of like sometimes a guest because of like work and stuff.
1:03:53
SPEAKER_01: But like she knew about it.
1:03:56
SPEAKER_01: And we always loved like all the haunted stuff, like all like we did all the witch stuff together, like we we were all in on that.
1:04:05
SPEAKER_01: But the thing was like she that would even freak her out.
1:04:08
SPEAKER_01: Like she would be like, You should tear it.
1:04:10
SPEAKER_01: This is a crazy thing.
1:04:11
SPEAKER_01: But when I was a little girl, it was like between seven and ten, because that's when I think the most of the all the trauma.
1:04:18
SPEAKER_01: So my um my dresser, it's the same thing, like, but I had a dresser and it had a TV on it.
1:04:25
SPEAKER_05: Oh, okay.
1:04:26
SPEAKER_01: Because I had a TV in my room.
1:04:27
SPEAKER_01: And so so I must have been about 10.
1:04:29
SPEAKER_01: So like it was like, here's my bed, there's the dresser, and there's the TV.
1:04:34
SPEAKER_01: It would it was just this crazy experience where like if I close my eyes, I could I could see these like like I want to say like dots or something, but like it would fall.
1:04:46
SPEAKER_01: It was like this falling like orbs.
1:04:50
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, but very small.
1:04:52
SPEAKER_01: Very, very faint and very small.
1:04:55
SPEAKER_01: And they would like change color, and I could like feel them, like I could feel my body like it was like a very it was almost like a covering.
1:05:03
SPEAKER_01: The more that I think about it, it feels like it was some sort of covering.
1:05:07
SPEAKER_04: Right.
1:05:08
SPEAKER_01: But when that it would happen, but at the same time, I would see my furniture.
1:05:14
SPEAKER_01: So I would go under the covers and then I would come up from the covers, and then that piece of furniture would have moved closer.
1:05:21
SPEAKER_01: Yes.
1:05:22
SPEAKER_01: And so then I would go under the covers, and then I would go up from then the colours, and then it would be closer.
1:05:28
SPEAKER_01: And I remember this like one time.
1:05:30
SPEAKER_01: It I don't know if it happened more than once, but it was like this is I remember this, and then it would just got closer and closer, and then it was finally like next to me, and then I just like freaked out and hid, and then it was like gone finally.
1:05:43
SPEAKER_01: It was back to normal.
1:05:44
SPEAKER_05: What?
1:05:45
SPEAKER_01: And I don't remember if like I had my door open because we had a door, I had a door, then like you could see that the hallway was always dark.
1:05:53
SPEAKER_05: Yeah.
1:05:53
SPEAKER_01: So I don't really remember like an entity, but that experience was like tandem.
1:05:59
SPEAKER_01: Like the the weird Orby things.
1:06:02
SPEAKER_01: I don't I just don't know what they were.
1:06:04
SPEAKER_01: Like I really just don't.
1:06:06
SPEAKER_01: And I haven't heard anybody I heard one lady that I actually talked to on the phone who had a s a similar encounter and she thinks it might have been angels.
1:06:17
SPEAKER_01: But I don't know.
1:06:18
SPEAKER_01: Because I've never but I can sometimes it's really weird because I don't know if I could like just make myself feel it.
1:06:26
SPEAKER_01: But it was like a it's almost like if I think about it enough I can probably think of I could probably feel it because it's like a muscle memory almost.
1:06:34
SPEAKER_01: But it was like every nerve, everything was tingly.
1:06:37
SPEAKER_01: Everything yeah and then you were but I was present of something something.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:06:42
SPEAKER_01: And but I would see these like falling lights.
1:06:46
SPEAKER_05: Interesting.
1:06:47
SPEAKER_01: It's really crazy.
1:06:48
SPEAKER_01: And they were like pink Yeah.
1:06:51
SPEAKER_01: But I don't know like I don't know what that was.
1:06:54
SPEAKER_01: But then this would happen.
1:06:55
SPEAKER_01: And then it wasn't like a paralysis.
1:06:58
SPEAKER_03: No no no could move.
1:07:01
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:07:02
SPEAKER_03: You were hiding and maneuvering.
1:07:04
SPEAKER_01: But then also like after but then when I got like a little bit older I would go to the library and get like magazines about like transcendental meditation and stuff like that.
1:07:14
SPEAKER_01: So I was messing around with like silver cord stuff which is fantastically stupid.
1:07:20
SPEAKER_01: Don't ever do that.
1:07:20
SPEAKER_01: You never do it for a dumb stupid idiot if you do it.
1:07:23
SPEAKER_03: They believe that's how yeah Anton died.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:07:26
SPEAKER_01: That's a that story is crazy.
1:07:28
SPEAKER_03: Right?
1:07:29
SPEAKER_03: You've heard that story.
1:07:30
SPEAKER_03: They believe the cord discovered that's for astral projection and all that's that is a wild that will take you down a rabbit trail.
1:07:39
SPEAKER_01: Yep yeah and it gets very dark.
1:07:42
SPEAKER_03: And that's a form of witchcraft I never jumped into uh I never played with uh astral projection jumping out of my body although I've had those experiences I've never sought them out never I had I had that experience and it was crazy because it was because it was literally in everybody listening this will be wild to you a 17 magazine article.
1:08:02
SPEAKER_01: It's not like I went to like you know Bob's grimoire shop.
1:08:06
SPEAKER_01: It was literally like teaching you how to 17 magazine here's how to like this is your silver core like and that was in the 90s.
1:08:14
SPEAKER_01: Yep and it's one people and people don't realize so getting back to like you know yeah going to uh oh my gosh I almost said blockbuster blockbuster going to Parts and Noble you know people think oh you're just being oh you Christians listen don't play with the witchcraft it's like no dummy don't play with transcendental meditation don't do mushrooms and look for machine elves that's right because you're gonna find them and it's gonna suck like clowns I could go on and on so I just hold I just saw a I just saw a reel today I saved it.
1:08:50
SPEAKER_01: I was gonna repost it but then I was like I don't want clowns on my feed but like do you say clowns on your feet?
1:08:56
SPEAKER_01: Clowns on my feed like my Instagram feed I don't want clowns coming into my algorithm even though I'm talking about them.
1:09:04
SPEAKER_01: But um no so it was literally like a clown ministry from the 80s.
1:09:08
SPEAKER_01: It was like a it was somebody found it was like found footage and they were making fun of it and I was like oh dear Jesus what has been unleashed with this because now everyone thinks that the Nephilim are clowns and I can't get down with that.
1:09:22
SPEAKER_01: I just hair pale skin right my whole brain explodes every time I hear that theory and I can't even God it makes me sick when I hear it and God's like you don't have time for that so don't even deal with it.
1:09:33
SPEAKER_03: Like get man I was going to go there but I'm not there's another lore with clowns.
1:09:38
SPEAKER_03: Yeah and uh you know I can't random insert a jester is the only one that was ever allowed to make fun of the king the only person.
1:09:46
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:09:47
SPEAKER_03: Think about that.
1:09:48
SPEAKER_01: That's I don't want to no you don't want to I don't like clowns never happened I'm not a clown fan.
1:09:52
SPEAKER_03: No yeah anyways are we gonna end on clowns I don't want to my God I don't want to end on clowns I know they're terrible you know they're so terrible they are terrible and yeah I wanted to jump back to this so I do this a lot too and uh anytime I'm dealing with a spiritual oppression or constant sickness or something I can feel a hindrance I'll always ask God to reveal if someone brought an item in or something happened or I took in an item and uh this recently just happened and I just kept staring at this thing my boy got from the dentist and this thing is like a crocodile head that has storage in it.
1:10:32
SPEAKER_03: And I'm like that thing's just not sitting well with me and I don't know why it could have been harmless but it is just not sitting with me well and uh you know he got really sick all this stuff's going on and that thing just kept appearing at me has like diamond eyes and I'm like it's from the dentist I'm trying to write it off going this is stupid this is dumb uh you know it's just a stupid case and finally I was like get that trash out of the house because God kept revealing and as soon as I did it sort of broke and then uh we went to Laurel Caverns which is it's far from us but we did it for a school trip and my boy brought home crystals and I didn't know it was in like a fun bag and I had no idea it was there and God revealed he goes go in the whatever it was a party bag and get rid of the rocks and I'm like what rocks so right it may not be that way for everybody but for me that stuff has an imprint of things I played with you know so I'm always really cautious dealing with that stuff but I also ask God to reveal these things to me and he does he drops like you were saying earlier in the book I thought that was so important because Christians I don't know if normal Christians do this where they're like I'm having a lot of hindrance did I bring something into my house to create this chaos did I align with something that creates this chaos and uh you know because I know a lot of Christians who are in turmoil all the time.
1:11:56
SPEAKER_03: Yeah one of the main things in ministry we do is called decluttering the chaos.
1:12:02
SPEAKER_03: If your house is a mess if your life is a mess we gotta start decluttering.
1:12:05
SPEAKER_03: Oh yeah it's yeah you have to you have to order I mean my God you have got to bring order to your life so I don't know that was a random insert that just popped back up and I have marked no that's I think that's really important because again it just gets back to how things are so intertwined and very very not black and white like not at all it's and I think that that's where we get into so much spiritual trouble because you've got like you know I've got new age friends I've got Wiccan friends I've got you know peop and and listeners and whomever you know on it's not one side versus the other side.
1:12:44
SPEAKER_01: No we're all in a spiritual battle whether you believe it or not whether you like it or not whether you think you know you've got the power and everything you're doing is fine it's fine for a while until it passes down.
1:12:59
SPEAKER_01: That's the thing that we keep forgetting.
1:13:02
SPEAKER_01: It's fine until yeah maybe you know maybe you're maybe your kid's okay I don't know what about the second kid or maybe I don't know what about the grandkid you gotta think about that stuff.
1:13:13
SPEAKER_01: You have to it's crazy.
1:13:14
SPEAKER_01: And it's ignorant not to you know uh I and especially in this time in this time I mean it's just it's just doesn't make sense to I don't want to say dabble it's like we are dabbling because we're in the world.
1:13:28
SPEAKER_01: We're it's so it's so muddled here.
1:13:31
SPEAKER_01: Yeah it's just like forget it.
1:13:33
SPEAKER_01: I agree because it's it's almost it almost reminds me of like when I was vegan right or when I was like a super hippie where it's just like man yeah I'm I'm totally I'm like a Jesus hippie now like I'm left I'm leveled out I'm totally leveled out man.
1:13:48
SPEAKER_01: Grounded but like we're actually grounded you know save the dolphins okay well I couldn't do that save the whales save the planet do you recycle?
1:13:59
SPEAKER_01: Are you vegan?
1:13:59
SPEAKER_01: Where'd your eggs come from?
1:14:01
SPEAKER_01: Where'd this come from?
1:14:02
SPEAKER_01: You know what I mean?
1:14:03
SPEAKER_01: We can do that spiritually with but so is everything we can do spiritually.
1:14:09
SPEAKER_01: Yeah because if if I sit here and I try to do it in my own power that's why what you said is so important.
1:14:15
SPEAKER_01: Ask God to reveal it.
1:14:16
SPEAKER_01: That's right a hundred percent ask God to reveal to you and that needs to be our prayer every day.
1:14:21
SPEAKER_01: Like Shelly said the other day we were talking you know in our last episode with them like Fellowship of the fringe like you know we say the Lord's prayer every day because it's a covering you know and then and then however you want to add other things like but just reveal reveal to me what is it in my house.
1:14:41
SPEAKER_05: Right.
1:14:42
SPEAKER_01: Not me going through and being like what's this you know people have a problem with Bigfoot you know ideology whatever you know like if there's something that I'm doing and you don't want me to do reveal it to me and I'll figure it out.
1:14:56
SPEAKER_01: But with that sort of stuff too you don't know where that could have come from and I know this is where I get a little like not superstitious but for real like I don't know did you ever see Rosemary's baby?
1:15:08
SPEAKER_01: Hmm that's not not so much that's my favorite no I did not well so like in that I don't know I it's like my favorite thing because she's just like all of them witches because literally they were all witches that were around her because her husband yeah her husband at the end spoiler alert if anyone ever now I'll never watch it well she ends up having like the devil's baby and that was like the whole point is like she's in an entire like basically there's a cabal of witches.
1:15:35
SPEAKER_01: But the thing is people are putting things in place people are giving her things and she's not thinking about it and she's thinking that this is you know whatever yeah but we can look at that with anything you know where yeah it might not be that your dentist is a legit like cabal Satanist but there could have been somebody that's some that somebody told to put this there and they don't know why.
1:16:00
SPEAKER_01: And it's like if God can use people then the devil can use people too absolutely listening like oh man.
1:16:07
SPEAKER_01: That's just it we have to remember that we are in a very twisted universe here.
1:16:12
SPEAKER_01: Like everything is twisted on this on this world.
1:16:16
SPEAKER_03: Well and you know this is so interesting and I always tell this but I think it's worth noting the root pie root word of witch is to twist.
1:16:24
SPEAKER_03: It's to be twisted.
1:16:25
SPEAKER_03: People don't know that and uh you know anytime it's a twisting it's twisting and it's twisting what God has sort of made for good to try to make it for whatever you want it for, right?
1:16:35
SPEAKER_03: We're pulling from something trying to get what we desire and uh I always heard well witches would be millionaires I say look at Hollywood Hollywood in itself lost angels Hollywood is like the most sacred item to make stuff with in witchcraft.
1:16:50
SPEAKER_03: I mean Hollywood's no and uh there's so much resonance and ideology and ritualistic understanding in Hollywood I mean it's wild we won't get into that but a couple no but you're right it is it's crazy and the twisting is I think that's why it's so important because I feel like sometimes when I have this conversation with people especially pagan people like I'm just gonna kind of maybe draw that distinction like if I'm a Christ follower and then you're a pagan that's fine.
1:17:18
SPEAKER_01: Like it doesn't really matter you're either a Christ follower or you're pagan.
1:17:22
SPEAKER_01: Like it's just it um I mean that's like basically biblical right I don't know I'm not a pastor.
1:17:29
SPEAKER_01: But it's just the way that we you know but I mean it's and it's not to say like you pagan heathen it's just like it's a distinction of beliefs and worldview I think is a fair assessment of that.
1:17:40
SPEAKER_01: But I think the thing is when I when I'm talking to people about like witchcraft and we're having this conversation and I'm saying oh well they were doing witchcraft it's like we have to think about it just like that way that you explained it.
1:17:52
SPEAKER_01: It's a twisting it's a manipulation getting back to intention if you come to me and I always use this example because I feel like this is how people get into white witchcraft and then it's like it's a whole different I don't know it's just really crazy to me because like I can literally take holy basil and chew it up and make a poultice and put it on your foot that you step to be on a bee and it'll take the pain away.
1:18:21
SPEAKER_01: That is not witchcraft.
1:18:22
SPEAKER_01: No no no that is using God's creation for what it's intended for.
1:18:27
SPEAKER_01: So you don't really need to go around and be be like I am a kitchen witch because I did that.
1:18:31
SPEAKER_01: No you're not you just use you just use God's creation you know but what happens is I think that we love that branding like and then that kind of played we yeah we you know and I I love a girl we just talked about granny witches and I kind of love them because they were they were like those Appalachian grannies that's they got called that but they weren't running around saying I am the granny witch.
1:18:57
SPEAKER_03: No no no no they were healing people what they were healing people.
1:19:00
SPEAKER_01: Like Crystal and I had the best conversation about them and I was like I love them.
1:19:04
SPEAKER_03: Listen you know a dark form of healing and a lot of people don't want to admit this is pharmacia.
1:19:10
SPEAKER_03: It's oh yeah very alchemistic yeah very dark.
1:19:14
SPEAKER_03: And I mean you're throwing chemicals into an electromagnetic system it's dark man and I can't I just had this conversation with my 10 year old and he did not like it.
1:19:23
SPEAKER_01: Because we have we have some people that are experiencing some serious illnesses and they're taking some serious medicines and he's just very dark medicines.
1:19:33
SPEAKER_01: But he's like oh you didn't he's like you wouldn't want them to get healed and I was like I'm not saying that I'm saying that sometimes medicines do more harm than good and we don't realize it.
1:19:44
SPEAKER_01: And I saw I don't want to get into that because I know it's a whole different and I'm not actually really experienced in having this conversation like this level because I don't really do research into this pharmacia but I know what you're talking about.
1:19:57
SPEAKER_03: Right because it's alchemy based.
1:19:59
SPEAKER_01: It's alchemy and it's also again it's the twisting like I think when people start looking at the world in those different terms of like first of all we live in a supernatural world.
1:20:10
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:20:11
SPEAKER_01: We live in a spiritual world.
1:20:12
SPEAKER_01: Absolutely and once you start like the the stuff comes off your eyes the scales come off your eyes and you start realizing this you can't unsee it.
1:20:23
SPEAKER_03: So this is always funny and uh you know anyone that dabbles with like hilling in the the green sector we always called them green witches right that's what we knew yeah and then you you called a granny witch which is hilarious.
1:20:37
SPEAKER_03: That's funny that they're Appalachian Mountains here.
1:20:40
SPEAKER_01: You know because it was like they're oh you guys called them grain witches?
1:20:44
SPEAKER_01: Green G-R-E-E-N green witchcraft and uh that's where you're using roots and the spirits of your green oh see it's the Pittsburgh Baltimore accents we can't even communicate sorry that's terrible it's awful no I said green witch I thought you said grain yeah I know that's funny.
1:21:03
SPEAKER_01: Oh my gosh no yeah green witches oh that was like my whole thing yes yeah I have there's a whole book series there's I mean whatever you can go into every like new age store Scott Cunningham wrote a whole ton cutting roots everything.
1:21:18
SPEAKER_01: Yeah it was all about but see that's the thing again it's the intention right like so I'm not going to that for healing I'm not making a poultice I'm not making you know I'm not using a stragglus root to have a nourishing soup.
1:21:33
SPEAKER_01: Right I'm doing that like which is actually you should cook with a stragglus everybody.
1:21:38
SPEAKER_01: Please do that actually I need to get my hands on something.
1:21:40
SPEAKER_03: Anyway just don't eat water hemlock whatever you do my God yeah please don't do that.
1:21:45
SPEAKER_03: Anyway don't even look at hemlock don't even don't breathe it don't even near it learn what it is and stay away.
1:21:53
SPEAKER_01: Exactly but like the thing is like if I'm taking that stuff and I'm putting it in a pot and my intention is to you know put a spell on somebody or to or to or to or to change the outcome of something.
1:22:07
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:22:07
SPEAKER_01: I don't even need to say put a spell on some whatever.
1:22:11
SPEAKER_01: Because back when I was able to do things it was I didn't even have to say anything.
1:22:16
SPEAKER_01: It was like it was like oh I want this outcome to happen.
1:22:20
SPEAKER_02: Isn't it telekinetic right?
1:22:22
SPEAKER_01: Yeah something like that.
1:22:23
SPEAKER_01: But I didn't realize I was doing it.
1:22:25
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:22:26
SPEAKER_01: It just I got to that point right where I could manipulate an outcome and people which is 100% terrible I should probably start repenting I should make a big list we would always call it pass.
1:22:39
SPEAKER_03: And then the Bible talks about passing of spirits we do this we turn people on people unintentionally but with intention it's weird stuff.
1:22:49
SPEAKER_03: And you cloak people with the spirit it's very interesting.
1:22:52
SPEAKER_03: So we talked about doing this stuff in the forest and how like for it and the one mentor I had told me don't listen to the trees don't listen to the trees that we you you posted this and like you know anytime we would do this you're barefoot.
1:23:06
SPEAKER_03: We got we would always go barefoot.
1:23:08
SPEAKER_03: You are connected to everything going on uh whether you'd stand in the circle outside of it on it whatever and uh you know with that the understanding when you look at Moses God told him right away take your shoes off you're on holy ground through the burning bush there is so much of us being connected to the things we need to be connected to and the first thing we did when we got rubber we put it on our feet to disconnect us so many people are walking around depressed disconnected sick as hell to say the least go outside and there's science to show this now 10 15 minutes a day of being connected prayer time it changes your blood it changes your molecular structure it removes inflammation in your body and the same people and you know there is a very dark deity he will create the problem and give you the cure so you could sell it and I'm not going to say the name but it's a very dark it's like the worst one you could go after.
1:24:07
SPEAKER_03: Yeah and uh I always talk about this because that's in Moneycraft and different things but without saying the name when you understand all that you start putting all this stuff in the sort of pieces and I always consider ourselves people coming out of witchcraft into Christianity dark knights because we have the understanding of the archaic world Batman well not even so much like not I hate Batman to be honest.
1:24:34
SPEAKER_03: He ruined that term I'm not a Batman fan at all.
1:24:37
SPEAKER_03: He's my least favorite get off my show I'm just kidding I'm actually just kidding listen Superman I hate Superman I think I'm not a DC fan all the time I'm just kidding.
1:24:47
SPEAKER_01: No I love I love the first Batman because I I like the older series of Batman and I love uh Christian well's Batman right but like sort of ruined that for me oh anyway all right no I I just I love the first Pittsburgh divide this is really going this is going down you know we should we no I'm not gonna added that up no we need to be coming together because we're actually on the on the other side like we're on this side together like on this coast together everybody else is in Texas be down there in the Californians and Coloradans.
1:25:24
SPEAKER_01: I know everyone's here but no I you like you make a good point like there's definitely something to not I mean we have a whole generation of kids that literally tell each other to go touch grass.
1:25:36
SPEAKER_03: Go touch grass what's it mean right?
1:25:38
SPEAKER_01: Yeah like take your shoes off and go touch the grass like it's insane.
1:25:42
SPEAKER_03: When I was having real bad problems in the winter I would go outside take my shoes off and just stand there and pray on the ground I would do it.
1:25:49
SPEAKER_03: I would absolutely do it and I would come in feeling like a whole new person not because I was frozen to death but because I felt sort of interlinked connected even now if I get really distant in my relationship and my walk with God that hasn't happened in a long time thank God I would go up to the mountains I would go out to the lakes I would go to the forest and uh what's so ironic about that is that's where I would go to do the crafts and stuff.
1:26:14
SPEAKER_03: But God meets me in that nature.
1:26:16
SPEAKER_03: He meets me so crazy.
1:26:18
SPEAKER_01: It's why he restored see this is the conversation that I really was excited to have because like I don't have many people that I can talk to about this like where it's like I can talk like openly talk about what I would practice and then how God has restored it.
1:26:32
SPEAKER_01: Because it's and I have I have a hard time with a lot of people that come out of witchcraft and have like very large Christian platforms now because all they do is like sit and rebuke and judge and I don't I find that really boring.
1:26:49
SPEAKER_03: It is it's boring and it's showy.
1:26:51
SPEAKER_01: And it's just like okay well that's why nobody goes that's why nobody goes to church because you're doing exactly that.
1:26:57
SPEAKER_01: Like but what I would really like to talk about is like how what's the difference?
1:27:02
SPEAKER_01: Like how does God maybe we can like put a pin in this and do another episode or something.
1:27:07
SPEAKER_01: I don't know you can think about we can think about that.
1:27:08
SPEAKER_01: But like Mark it my yeah I actually I will market this yeah I can mark it on here because I really think that that is a I think that that's a really interesting take because not no one's talking about that.
1:27:21
SPEAKER_01: Like you just said like when you draw a circle when you cast a circle there are so many times when I literally sit and have people pray on me that I'm like in any other context this is witchcraft.
1:27:31
SPEAKER_01: In a circle and they're we're standing in a circle they're putting hands on me and they're are they incanting what you know what I mean like come on guys.
1:27:40
SPEAKER_03: Calling on the God of the universe you're calling as a group calling on God right this is exactly what we would do when we would c when we would stand in a circle and call on the moon or whatever.
1:27:51
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:27:51
SPEAKER_01: And like different deeds it's just crazy to me crazy.
1:27:54
SPEAKER_01: It's just so crazy.
1:27:56
SPEAKER_03: And you know I think it was on the you know with uh Rick and Shelly.
1:28:01
SPEAKER_03: We talked about witchcraft in Christianity.
1:28:04
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:28:04
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, that was my high school like main project.
1:28:07
SPEAKER_03: You had to do one to graduate, and it was Christianity versus witchcraft.
1:28:10
SPEAKER_03: And I talked about the parallels.
1:28:12
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, I talked about the parallels of these things.
1:28:15
SPEAKER_03: And uh, I've been doing this a long, long time.
1:28:18
SPEAKER_03: And, you know, as I get older and I could see the Solomon wisdom come around because your whole perspective of life changes, you have kids, it's not all about you anymore, it's legacy leaving, it's these different things.
1:28:29
SPEAKER_03: And uh the one big thing that I've noticed is these deities that came down the fallen and stuff gave these useless knowledges, they're just useless knowledge.
1:28:40
SPEAKER_03: That's what the Bible talks about.
1:28:41
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and uh so like these are all processes that were meant for good, but the devil took and used them to manipulate and the twist, right?
1:28:50
SPEAKER_01: And uh that's what I'm saying, cut look at cutting of roots.
1:28:54
SPEAKER_03: Oh my goodness.
1:28:54
SPEAKER_01: So that always like would stick with me again, like getting back to like the whole grimoires and stuff, because that's what it that's what you would do.
1:29:02
SPEAKER_01: It was just like let me I mean, look at the quintessential picture of making a potion and a witch making a potion.
1:29:08
SPEAKER_01: She's putting this in, she's putting this in, just putting this in.
1:29:11
SPEAKER_01: She's like doing all the stuff.
1:29:15
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:29:15
SPEAKER_01: Like who's but who is it like honoring?
1:29:18
SPEAKER_01: Who is it calling down?
1:29:19
SPEAKER_01: Whatever.
1:29:20
SPEAKER_01: Is it her power?
1:29:21
SPEAKER_01: Is it the power of the herbs?
1:29:22
SPEAKER_01: No, it's a d behind it, there's a deity, and you're deceived.
1:29:27
SPEAKER_01: You think that it's you cutting all the stuff up.
1:29:29
SPEAKER_01: That always like stood out to me, the cutting of roots.
1:29:32
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, why does it matter?
1:29:34
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, wait a second, like we can do all of this like natur like naturopathic, you know, healing.
1:29:40
SPEAKER_01: Like for sure, there's a whole bunch of that happening.
1:29:43
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:29:44
SPEAKER_01: Like, there is no doubt.
1:29:46
SPEAKER_03: It's wild.
1:29:47
SPEAKER_03: I mean, it's just so interesting.
1:29:49
SPEAKER_03: So again, I think it just comes back to intention base, you know Jesus spitting in the mud, putting it on the eyes.
1:29:55
SPEAKER_03: Was that which right?
1:29:56
SPEAKER_03: That wasn't witchy, yeah.
1:29:58
SPEAKER_00: Exactly.
1:29:58
SPEAKER_03: There was something there.
1:29:59
SPEAKER_03: There was a transfer, there was something happening, someone touching the hem of his garment.
1:30:03
SPEAKER_03: You could be like, that was witchy.
1:30:05
SPEAKER_03: Uh, you know, splitting the seed with a staff.
1:30:09
SPEAKER_03: That was witchy.
1:30:10
SPEAKER_03: Oh my gosh, yeah.
1:30:11
SPEAKER_03: Right.
1:30:11
SPEAKER_03: That's like wizards.
1:30:12
SPEAKER_03: Right.
1:30:13
SPEAKER_03: It turning a staff into a serpent.
1:30:15
SPEAKER_03: That was witchy, calling fire down from heaven.
1:30:17
SPEAKER_03: That was what made it different.
1:30:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, it was God intended, right?
1:30:22
SPEAKER_03: So it was God's movement, it was God's will, striking a rock, having it split and water coming out.
1:30:28
SPEAKER_03: Was that witchy?
1:30:29
SPEAKER_01: That's so witchy, right?
1:30:31
SPEAKER_03: And like in movies, we would see that.
1:30:33
SPEAKER_03: That's that's what you would see in movies, and uh, but no, this is God's power operating.
1:30:39
SPEAKER_03: It's very interesting that Christians, you know, just want to cast judgment.
1:30:44
SPEAKER_03: And it's funny we say cast, right?
1:30:46
SPEAKER_03: What are you doing when you cast?
1:30:49
SPEAKER_03: You're casting something.
1:30:50
SPEAKER_03: So all these words are very familiar in the back and forth when it comes to this stuff.
1:30:56
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, speaking, curses, and all that.
1:30:59
SPEAKER_01: Oh, I love I love the idea of casting because this dawned on me the other day because we were talking about that, I think, and then somebody else brought it up.
1:31:07
SPEAKER_01: I think it was Ricky.
1:31:08
SPEAKER_01: Somebody brought it up, and they were like, I don't like the term casting, like our broadcasting.
1:31:13
SPEAKER_01: Broadcast.
1:31:13
SPEAKER_01: I don't like that.
1:31:14
SPEAKER_02: Telecast.
1:31:15
SPEAKER_01: But here's the thing there's also in the Bible that we're supposed to cast our cares.
1:31:21
SPEAKER_01: Yep.
1:31:22
SPEAKER_01: So we're casting, like we're putting it out there.
1:31:26
SPEAKER_01: That's right.
1:31:26
SPEAKER_01: We're throwing it back.
1:31:28
SPEAKER_03: A cast.
1:31:29
SPEAKER_01: A cast.
1:31:30
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:31:30
SPEAKER_03: So when you fish, you cast.
1:31:32
SPEAKER_03: Exactly.
1:31:36
SPEAKER_01: Which is which is witchy.
1:31:38
SPEAKER_01: No, I'm just kidding.
1:31:38
SPEAKER_03: No, it is, but it's so fun to have this play on my Bible is witchy is the name of this episode.
1:31:45
SPEAKER_01: Oh my god.
1:31:46
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, and uh, you know, I hope nobody goes crazy and calls us heretics and stuff, but the reality is is there's a parallel, right?
1:31:53
SPEAKER_03: And it exactly it's all about where you're sourced, what you pull from.
1:31:58
SPEAKER_03: And I I think curiosity is what enchants people.
1:32:02
SPEAKER_03: I think that's why witchcraft is so heavily on the rise, and God, you know, not himself, but his people are so boring because they're not making any moves.
1:32:14
SPEAKER_03: They're not making any moves.
1:32:16
SPEAKER_03: They're boring.
1:32:17
SPEAKER_03: You look like a representation of the world.
1:32:19
SPEAKER_03: You're not supposed to be this.
1:32:21
SPEAKER_01: That was the conversation that I was having with my 10-year-old when he got like mad at me because I was talking about like like pharmacy drugs and stuff like that.
1:32:29
SPEAKER_01: And I said, I was because the beginning of that conversation was I was saying they have a new they have a new priest at his school, and he's from Nigeria, and then there's like a whole bunch of like Nigerian nuns, and I was like, it's about to pop off there because that's a whole different type of people Christian.
1:32:46
SPEAKER_01: And we're gonna see, I'm like excited.
1:32:49
SPEAKER_01: I'm like, I'm gonna see some stuff happen.
1:32:51
SPEAKER_01: Like something's gonna move.
1:32:53
SPEAKER_01: Because and and I was trying to explain it to him without freaking him out because mom's a weirdo.
1:32:58
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, because in Africa and in different parts of the world, it they're not boring Christians, they're not bland, they're not like lukewarm and every other boring that we talk about.
1:33:11
SPEAKER_01: Like, and yeah, exactly, because they're seeing crazy stuff happen over there.
1:33:15
SPEAKER_03: Crazy, you have no idea.
1:33:17
SPEAKER_01: Crazy stuff.
1:33:19
SPEAKER_01: Like, people are legit.
1:33:20
SPEAKER_01: Don't sit there and tell me that people don't raise from people, like God doesn't raise people from the dead because he sure does it in Africa.
1:33:26
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
1:33:27
SPEAKER_03: But you know what?
1:33:27
SPEAKER_03: The Africa, those people are like a source of God's presence.
1:33:32
SPEAKER_03: People don't want to hear this.
1:33:34
SPEAKER_03: And like I have watched videos, I have dealt with missionaries.
1:33:38
SPEAKER_03: I get chills even talking about this, and I'm going to, you know, give just a quick little story.
1:33:42
SPEAKER_03: I there was a missionary that came to the church, and he was somewhere in Africa where it was really heavily Muslim population, and he was with a little village, and I believe it was Africa, South Africa, I want to say.
1:33:54
SPEAKER_03: Anyways, and he was encamped.
1:33:57
SPEAKER_03: Uh, they were encamped, and then it was the middle of the night, they heard gunshots, and they kept getting closer, kept getting closer.
1:34:04
SPEAKER_03: And they had radios, so they knew they were coming under attack, this little village of Christians, and these Muslims were coming in, shooting at them, shooting at them.
1:34:14
SPEAKER_03: And then finally on the radio, they said, We're being overwhelmed, you know, in their language, and they ran away essentially.
1:34:20
SPEAKER_03: And they heard it on the radio until it ended that we're being overwhelmed, something's shooting back, something's coming at us.
1:34:26
SPEAKER_03: We have no idea.
1:34:27
SPEAKER_03: They're just sweeping us out, and they're literally having this conversation, and he tells this story on stage, and he said, There was a little boy there praying.
1:34:37
SPEAKER_03: And he said, You know, put the encampment of God's angels around us, protect us, send your army to protect.
1:34:43
SPEAKER_03: And this is a little boy praying.
1:34:46
SPEAKER_03: And they heard reports later on that they didn't realize that your village had an army of people surrounding it.
1:34:54
SPEAKER_03: My gosh.
1:34:56
SPEAKER_03: Is wild.
1:34:57
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:34:57
SPEAKER_03: Why would a missionary lie about that?
1:34:59
SPEAKER_03: Why would he embellish the story?
1:35:00
SPEAKER_00: Yeah, no, right, no, because he would get k beheaded.
1:35:04
SPEAKER_03: Right, and this is an actual story that happened.
1:35:07
SPEAKER_03: Uh, and you know, I I can't remember it's been so many years, but I remember the story.
1:35:12
SPEAKER_01: Well, they just killed a bunch of people uh uh in a Bible study.
1:35:16
SPEAKER_01: Like literally, that happened like d today or yesterday.
1:35:19
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, yep.
1:35:20
SPEAKER_03: Where was this?
1:35:22
SPEAKER_01: Um I want to say, I'm gonna look it up.
1:35:24
SPEAKER_01: In my I think it I think it was in Nigeria, it was in Africa.
1:35:28
SPEAKER_03: Crazy.
1:35:29
SPEAKER_03: And I you know, so there was an army surrounding that village that overwhelmed these attackers, and that to me is a true move of God.
1:35:38
SPEAKER_03: You don't hear those type of stories here.
1:35:40
SPEAKER_03: And uh I love the missionaries are like superheroes.
1:35:44
SPEAKER_03: I love them, I love them so much, and uh, you know, it's so interesting.
1:35:49
SPEAKER_03: In the AG, especially, they have a that's a big missionary uh sect of the church, and uh, I would say out of everybody, we the AG did a great job.
1:35:59
SPEAKER_01: Well, this was in April.
1:36:01
SPEAKER_01: I can't find it.
1:36:02
SPEAKER_01: June 16th.
1:36:03
SPEAKER_01: I mean it's it's constant in Nigeria.
1:36:05
SPEAKER_01: It's like pick one.
1:36:06
SPEAKER_03: Oh, it's c yeah.
1:36:07
SPEAKER_01: I mean, it's it's insane.
1:36:09
SPEAKER_03: But like what's that?
1:36:10
SPEAKER_03: These people are persecuted for their belief, and we're here in America, like uh come on, we gotta get out because of football.
1:36:16
SPEAKER_03: You know?
1:36:17
SPEAKER_03: What is going on?
1:36:18
SPEAKER_03: This one we don't see the move of God.
1:36:21
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
1:36:21
SPEAKER_01: Because we're because we're lukewarm.
1:36:23
SPEAKER_01: We're lukewarm.
1:36:24
SPEAKER_01: And and because we want to sit and fight with other and because we for one, we don't even want to talk to people to witches.
1:36:30
SPEAKER_01: Right?
1:36:30
SPEAKER_01: We don't we don't want to talk to them.
1:36:32
SPEAKER_03: No, you don't want these people.
1:36:33
SPEAKER_01: No, we don't want to talk to the Satanists.
1:36:35
SPEAKER_01: We don't wanna we don't wanna and we don't want to go into warfare at all.
1:36:38
SPEAKER_01: We want to be nice and cozy, like that's just what it is.
1:36:41
SPEAKER_03: Give us the coffee, let us listen to music, and you know, go to work Monday morning.
1:36:46
SPEAKER_01: I mean, like, yeah, like that's fine because we should we should get to we talk about this all the time, right?
1:36:51
SPEAKER_01: Like, I'm not saying let's not go together and be corporate.
1:36:55
SPEAKER_01: I mean, I work at church, I understand why we do what we do, 100% believe in the mission of it.
1:37:01
SPEAKER_01: However, I do love the fact that we say on, you know, after Sunday, the your pastor's not holding your hand, right?
1:37:09
SPEAKER_01: You need to have a working relationship, a loving relationship with the Lord and figure out what he has purpose for your life.
1:37:16
SPEAKER_03: 100%.
1:37:18
SPEAKER_01: Like, and you and if you're not doing that, and if you're just going to church, then and you've been doing that for 40 years, what are you even doing?
1:37:24
SPEAKER_01: What are you doing for the kingdom?
1:37:26
SPEAKER_01: And that's what it is.
1:37:27
SPEAKER_01: All of American church, most of American church is just like comfy, cozy, comfy, cozy faith.
1:37:32
SPEAKER_01: I feel I'm saved.
1:37:34
SPEAKER_03: Yep.
1:37:34
SPEAKER_03: Don't have to do anything.
1:37:36
SPEAKER_03: But you know what?
1:37:36
SPEAKER_03: Man, a tree with no fruits.
1:37:38
SPEAKER_03: What a lame tree.
1:37:40
SPEAKER_01: I want to talk to the witches.
1:37:41
SPEAKER_01: This is like, dude, witches, talk to us.
1:37:44
SPEAKER_01: This is it.
1:37:45
SPEAKER_03: Yeah.
1:37:46
SPEAKER_03: Seriously, like the Bible is which listen, and I I think the conversation needs to be had.
1:37:52
SPEAKER_03: It needs to be had.
1:37:53
SPEAKER_01: It really does.
1:37:54
SPEAKER_01: This conversation's been great because like you need to see the parallels between what you're practicing and the actual truth.
1:38:00
SPEAKER_03: Right.
1:38:00
SPEAKER_03: And like for real.
1:38:02
SPEAKER_03: I'm not a puppet in God's kingdom.
1:38:03
SPEAKER_03: I get to be a part of this.
1:38:05
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
1:38:06
SPEAKER_01: You're a I think that's what people don't understand, and that's the sad thing.
1:38:09
SPEAKER_03: That is the sad thing.
1:38:10
SPEAKER_03: And you know, they just act like this God wants to do this and destroy these people, and they take everything completely out of context.
1:38:18
SPEAKER_03: And the mind-boggling part to me is like out of everybody, and I had someone say this to me years ago: witches that come out of like witchcraft, wizards, whatever you want, warlocks, mages, doesn't matter.
1:38:31
SPEAKER_03: Coming out of that in the Christianity, you see everything so much more differently than just coming out of nothing in the Christianity.
1:38:40
SPEAKER_01: And the people that are that also come out of SRA, because that's a different category.
1:38:44
SPEAKER_01: I think we need to make that distinction.
1:38:45
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:38:46
SPEAKER_01: Distinction.
1:38:46
SPEAKER_01: Talking about.
1:38:47
SPEAKER_03: When you say SRA, I know this term.
1:38:49
SPEAKER_01: So like satanic ritual abuse.
1:38:51
SPEAKER_03: So people that are like legitimately in I'm bad with acronyms, so you gotta forgive me with that.
1:38:56
SPEAKER_01: Okay.
1:38:56
SPEAKER_01: So like it's it's basically the people that have been programmed and right in ritualistic abuse and stuff.
1:39:03
SPEAKER_03: Yes.
1:39:03
SPEAKER_03: I got it.
1:39:04
SPEAKER_01: That stuff is extremely dark and very different than what I I'm talking about, like the people that like I used to hang out with that, like, let's go to the vampire.
1:39:14
SPEAKER_01: Yeah, let's go to the like vampire club.
1:39:16
SPEAKER_01: And however, we were talking about this that we forgot that there were people that were trying to like pick up one of my friends' sisters.
1:39:28
SPEAKER_01: And it was like, Hey, do you want to go to this after party, this vampire after party?
1:39:33
SPEAKER_01: Because that could have been, she could have been like trafficked in the SRA.
1:39:36
SPEAKER_01: Like that's so that's the you know what I mean?
1:39:37
SPEAKER_01: Like that's the thing.
1:39:38
SPEAKER_01: Like when you when you're in it, you don't think about that stuff because you don't know how dark the surface isn't as dark as it's pretty, actually.
1:39:48
SPEAKER_03: It's very interesting.
1:39:49
SPEAKER_03: It's whimsical.
1:39:50
SPEAKER_01: But that's but when you get it is whimsical.
1:39:52
SPEAKER_01: That's a great way to say it.
1:39:53
SPEAKER_01: Like it's totally whimsical and lovely.
1:39:56
SPEAKER_01: And everybody, yeah, you know, we're all just Stevie Nicks, and it's wonderful.
1:40:00
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:40:00
SPEAKER_01: Like we're having a great time.
1:40:02
SPEAKER_01: Like, you know what I mean?
1:40:03
SPEAKER_01: Like that's just kind of how how it is.
1:40:06
SPEAKER_01: But at the at the there's but there's levels because there's levels to the kingdom, and there's levels to like the spiritual realm and all of that.
1:40:17
SPEAKER_01: So like if we don't understand that, if you just think like, oh, we're just humans masquerading, if we think it's all just like Anne Rice vampire ball, right?
1:40:26
SPEAKER_01: It's not that we're totally missing it.
1:40:28
SPEAKER_01: Every goth reference.
1:40:30
SPEAKER_03: Right, and all the goth black parade.
1:40:33
SPEAKER_03: No, but uh we can't hated that.
1:40:36
SPEAKER_01: I hated that song.
1:40:37
SPEAKER_03: No, I love that song.
1:40:38
SPEAKER_03: I love it.
1:40:39
SPEAKER_01: I know that's because I'm I'm I know everyone says it.
1:40:42
SPEAKER_01: I'm just older and I look just so much better.
1:40:45
SPEAKER_01: I don't like uh I hate a rock opera.
1:40:48
SPEAKER_01: Oh, really?
1:40:49
SPEAKER_01: Just really I'm gonna kick myself off my own show.
1:40:57
SPEAKER_01: I know, gosh.
1:40:58
SPEAKER_03: We're learning a lot of terrible things.
1:41:01
SPEAKER_03: We are, but uh, it's birds.
1:41:03
SPEAKER_03: No, just kidding.
1:41:04
SPEAKER_03: My goodness.
1:41:05
SPEAKER_01: I know.
1:41:06
SPEAKER_01: We should do so.
1:41:07
SPEAKER_01: I like this episode.
1:41:08
SPEAKER_01: Um I wanna I think we should do like, I don't know.
1:41:11
SPEAKER_01: Now I just want to have a whole bunch of different shows, but we should do like another episode where we talk about.
1:41:15
SPEAKER_01: I love this idea of the parallel.
1:41:17
SPEAKER_03: Like the parallel, yeah.
1:41:19
SPEAKER_01: I really, really want people like I really because I I think it's just important to talk about this stuff.
1:41:25
SPEAKER_01: I feel like if we just don't talk about it and then we're afraid to like hurt people's feelings or whatever because what they're practicing isn't it's like no, it's you're just not understanding.
1:41:36
SPEAKER_01: I'm not saying that you're not doing, I don't know, it's just so hard to explain to people.
1:41:41
SPEAKER_01: I think I really want to lay it out in like a loving way, but like also, it's not even that.
1:41:47
SPEAKER_01: It's not that you're wrong, it's just that you're you're super manipulated, and I want you to have like an encounter with God.
1:41:55
SPEAKER_01: And if you would just ask him, That's it, he'll he'll it's really just it.
1:41:59
SPEAKER_01: Like, I've seen friends come to church with me and be so their spirit is so jostled and they're so confused because it's like I really love what I see here, and I see that these people are moved and everyone's so happy and it's amazing, but I feel really vulnerable and uncomfortable.
1:42:20
SPEAKER_01: And it's like, yes, yeah, you do, because stuff in you doesn't want you to release this and be like, hey God, what are you all about?
1:42:31
SPEAKER_01: It's literally legit that easy.
1:42:34
SPEAKER_03: Like you know, it's so wild doing witchcraft and coming out of it, you understand that these things inhabit you, they they utilize you, and they get for them, I don't know if it's a sense of peace or a sense of power or a sense of position or that they're doing what they're called to do, it's their purpose.
1:42:52
SPEAKER_03: But when you come near the source that originally rejected them, they're not allowed in you.
1:42:58
SPEAKER_03: This is why the Holy Spirit, when you invite him in, that uncleanness gets washed.
1:43:03
SPEAKER_03: This is the whole washing away.
1:43:06
SPEAKER_03: You know, that's scary because when you source yourself out of all that power, of all the incantations, of all the protections, of all of your crystals, of all these things, and you come in to God and He says, Hey, you don't need any of that, you just need the Holy Spirit.
1:43:19
SPEAKER_03: Here he is, all you gotta do is ask.
1:43:21
SPEAKER_03: That's it.
1:43:22
SPEAKER_01: Which is so weird, right?
1:43:26
SPEAKER_01: It is so weird.
1:43:27
SPEAKER_01: I mean, again, we're still just talking about a different spirit, right?
1:43:33
SPEAKER_01: But like most people won't ru don't realize or don't want to admit that I'm inhabited by a spirit that's an opposite spirit.
1:43:42
SPEAKER_01: Like when I was I wasn't talking about like, oh, I've got it's it's me.
1:43:48
SPEAKER_01: Uh it's my spirit, my spirit, my spirit, my spirit.
1:43:54
SPEAKER_01: Now I still say that like, oh, my spirit feels weird, but it's like, I don't know.
1:44:00
SPEAKER_01: I'm not gonna be like me and the holy spirit feel super weird right now, guys.
1:44:05
SPEAKER_01: Or Scooby senses are freaking out me and the Holy Ghost.
1:44:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know.
1:44:11
SPEAKER_01: Sometimes I still feel weird, like Holy Spirit, I guess.
1:44:14
SPEAKER_01: Like, are you there?
1:44:14
SPEAKER_01: I kind of just want to like I want you to have a different name.
1:44:17
SPEAKER_03: Right?
1:44:18
SPEAKER_03: The Holy Ghost.
1:44:20
SPEAKER_01: Holy Ghost, help me.
1:44:21
SPEAKER_01: Like, I don't know.
1:44:22
SPEAKER_01: And I'm just being a jerk, but you know, like something.
1:44:25
SPEAKER_03: It is because you know, again, whenever the shroud was ripped, God left the inhabitation of brick and mortar.
1:44:33
SPEAKER_03: We became the temple.
1:44:35
SPEAKER_03: So when you start using this understanding, at least for the wishy end of this, this makes a lot of sense because you're dabbling with spirits, you're doing protections against certain things, deities, entities, whatever you want to, you know, ancestors, doesn't matter what sect you are.
1:44:50
SPEAKER_03: But like that is big, and that's more of the like Japanese and Shintoism and all that stuff, previous ancestors, all that fun stuff.
1:45:00
SPEAKER_03: We call them like in spirits.
1:45:02
SPEAKER_03: But whenever you're dealing with this stuff, it's the same concept that you're opening yourself up, and the way we do it is a little bit different.
1:45:10
SPEAKER_03: We don't have to prepare rituals, we just come asking, we come expecting, right?
1:45:15
SPEAKER_03: Our expectation is where God meets us, the curiosity or whatever you want to say, and that's the beautiful part.
1:45:22
SPEAKER_03: And like there are a lot of shows, like Benny Hen slapping people with coats and stuff.
1:45:27
SPEAKER_03: Oh my god.
1:45:27
SPEAKER_03: I mean, come on now, this stuff drives me nuts.
1:45:31
SPEAKER_03: But the reality is I've watched people just pray, just say, Father God, open his eyes in Jesus' name, amen.
1:45:37
SPEAKER_03: And the people are cured of their blinds.
1:45:39
SPEAKER_01: Exactly.
1:45:39
SPEAKER_01: Yeah.
1:45:40
SPEAKER_03: There's no emotionalism.
1:45:41
SPEAKER_03: We don't have to build the atmosphere for the God of the universe.
1:45:45
SPEAKER_03: That's what I always say.
1:45:46
SPEAKER_03: We don't have to do it.
1:45:47
SPEAKER_03: And uh, you know, earlier they had to do the altars, they did all that stuff, but the Holy Spirit's open and accessible, right?
1:45:55
SPEAKER_03: So he's there ready for help at any time.
1:45:58
SPEAKER_01: However, when we come together, we can shift the atmosphere.
1:46:02
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:46:02
SPEAKER_01: You can exactly and that is very exciting when that happens.
1:46:05
SPEAKER_01: When that when when God's people come together except it's wild.
1:46:10
SPEAKER_01: Like, so I like to make that distinction too.
1:46:13
SPEAKER_01: Like, yeah.
1:46:14
SPEAKER_03: We could go on all night about this, but I I just got off a job.
1:46:18
SPEAKER_03: This was like a couple months ago, and a storm was rolling in on top of us.
1:46:21
SPEAKER_03: We had to do a patch on a roof.
1:46:23
SPEAKER_03: And I looked at Brian because I try not to be a weird Christian with my people, right?
1:46:28
SPEAKER_03: I looked at I looked at the kid that works for me, and it's just me ham n hand nailing these shingles, and it's a bigger patch than we expected.
1:46:35
SPEAKER_03: All this stuff, and the storm's rolling in.
1:46:37
SPEAKER_03: I'm like, if this storm hits, it's flooding their house.
1:46:40
SPEAKER_03: So I said, Brian, I'm going to give it my shot.
1:46:42
SPEAKER_03: And I said, Storm, I command you in the mighty name of Jesus Christ to stay away until we put the last toll away.
1:46:49
SPEAKER_03: In Jesus' name, I proclaim and declare it, Amen, and believed it.
1:46:53
SPEAKER_03: So we just finished, we're getting everything off the roof, and the storm's now really rolling in.
1:46:58
SPEAKER_03: And we're talking about hours.
1:47:00
SPEAKER_03: This isn't like 10 minutes, this is hours that that storm's in the distance.
1:47:04
SPEAKER_03: And around here, storms come and go very quickly in Pittsburgh.
1:47:07
SPEAKER_03: Yeah, we're like in a jet stream in this area.
1:47:10
SPEAKER_03: And uh, as soon as I put the shovel in the trailer, last toll, it completely downpoured.
1:47:16
SPEAKER_03: We got in the truck and we were a little wet off the ground, right?
1:47:19
SPEAKER_03: And uh I looked at Brian and I said, Did you see what happened there?
1:47:22
SPEAKER_03: That was the power of God that held that storm off.
1:47:25
SPEAKER_03: And Christians want to act like that's strange or weird.
1:47:28
SPEAKER_03: And I don't know if that was cringe worthy to tell that story, but something.
1:47:32
SPEAKER_00: No, I think it's awesome.
1:47:33
SPEAKER_03: It's uh we have the same power that we did back then, but it's through Christ, it's through God.
1:47:41
SPEAKER_03: The spirits, all these things, we don't need that unclean stuff.
1:47:44
SPEAKER_03: We have God, and we can still do this stuff.
1:47:47
SPEAKER_03: And I remember my dad telling a story about doing sort of the same thing, pushing off a storm, and I remember rolling my eyes, going, Oh, he's crazy.
1:47:55
SPEAKER_03: But when you experience it in such an intimate way, because you're like, these people's house will be destroyed if that storm comes.
1:48:03
SPEAKER_03: And people are like, Well, what about the babies?
1:48:05
SPEAKER_03: What about Texas?
1:48:06
SPEAKER_03: What bad things are going to happen.
1:48:07
SPEAKER_03: I can't speak on those things.
1:48:09
SPEAKER_03: I wasn't there, I don't know the context.
1:48:11
SPEAKER_03: But in that moment, God met me personally and faith met him, and that storm stayed away.
1:48:17
SPEAKER_03: Whether it was a coincidence, so be it.
1:48:19
SPEAKER_03: But it was still an awesome thing that experienced in the show a non-Christian, more of a partial Catholic, the power of God in a tangible way.
1:48:28
SPEAKER_03: And he talks about that all the time.
1:48:30
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
1:48:32
SPEAKER_03: All the time.
1:48:32
SPEAKER_03: He's like, Why don't you just pray away that cloud up there?
1:48:35
SPEAKER_03: And he may be making fun of you.
1:48:37
SPEAKER_01: Right.
1:48:37
SPEAKER_03: The reality is, is he experienced something otherwise he never would have.
1:48:42
SPEAKER_01: That's awesome.
1:48:43
SPEAKER_03: God's so cool.
1:48:44
SPEAKER_03: God is so cool.
1:48:45
SPEAKER_03: And that's not, you know, saying anything.
1:48:48
SPEAKER_03: That's all about God, you know.
1:48:50
SPEAKER_01: No, exactly.
1:48:51
SPEAKER_01: But that's still just like, yeah.
1:48:52
SPEAKER_03: The wild story.
1:48:54
SPEAKER_01: The wild stuff that he will do.
1:48:55
SPEAKER_03: I hesitate to talk about that because I'm like, that's a weird story, but it happened.
1:49:00
SPEAKER_03: You know.
1:49:00
SPEAKER_01: And you brought it here to the weirdest podcast.
1:49:03
SPEAKER_03: Weirdest podcast we could tell.
1:49:05
SPEAKER_01: Any any any any Christian could ever ever hope for.
1:49:10
SPEAKER_01: Be given, be given by God.
1:49:11
SPEAKER_01: I don't know what he's doing with this.
1:49:13
SPEAKER_01: Listen, you don't know.
1:49:15
SPEAKER_05: It's so funny.
1:49:18
SPEAKER_03: I know.
1:49:19
SPEAKER_03: It's so interesting, but I always enjoy stories.
1:49:21
SPEAKER_03: I think stories are something we all have in common.
1:49:24
SPEAKER_03: And uh definitely.
1:49:26
SPEAKER_01: Oh Jesse, thank you so much for coming on.
1:49:28
SPEAKER_01: This was so great.
1:49:29
SPEAKER_03: This was a good time.
1:49:31
unknown: My gosh.
1:49:32
SPEAKER_01: All right, Jesse, tell everybody where they can find you on TikTok.
1:49:35
SPEAKER_03: Listen, you can find me under the Handyman Preacher.
1:49:38
SPEAKER_03: We're there and we do a lot of different things, and uh, you know, a couple viral videos of stupid stuff, but we have a good time and uh share the gospel any chance I can.
1:49:47
SPEAKER_03: And God bless you guys.
1:49:49
SPEAKER_03: Thank you so much for having me on here.
1:49:51
SPEAKER_03: This was really fun.
1:49:53
SPEAKER_03: Not everybody can connect on this stuff.
1:49:55
SPEAKER_03: And I'm so tired of people thinking I'm just super strange whenever we talk about this.
1:50:00
SPEAKER_01: So no, welcome, welcome over here.
1:50:04
SPEAKER_03: That's awesome.
1:50:05
SPEAKER_01: All right, guys, go follow Jesse on Instagram and if you must on TikTok.
1:50:10
SPEAKER_01: If you must.
1:50:11
SPEAKER_01: If you must, if you're allowed, if God allows it.
1:50:14
SPEAKER_02: If God allows it, we're dark over here.
1:50:17
SPEAKER_01: I know it is, it's like the super dark side, right?
1:50:21
SPEAKER_01: Um, so yeah, go follow Jesse and thank you so much for tuning in.
1:50:24
SPEAKER_01: Until next time, remember that God wait, no, that's not how it goes.
1:50:28
SPEAKER_01: I don't even know.
1:50:29
SPEAKER_01: The truth is out there, the truth is out there, the truth is out there, God is with you, and everyone always ends up in the kitchen.
1:50:47
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1:50:50
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1:50:54
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1:50:57
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1:51:04
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1:51:06
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1:51:15
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1:51:33
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