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TABLE TALK: A Change In The Eagles Philosophy? · The Philadelphia Sports Table | Philly Sports News & Views

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Hey, everybody, it's Jeff. We wanted to let you know we recorded
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this Table Talk interview and show on Monday, March eighteenth, twenty twenty four.
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So by the time you hear this, some things may have changed here
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there, but we hope you enjoyed the show. All right, everybody,
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you are listening to Table Talk here at the Philadelphia Sports Table podcast show,
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the longest running weekly Philly sports podcast show in the world. That's right close
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to eleven year strong. April is our eleven year anniversary. We've got a
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great discussion coming your way here on Table Talk, a great interview about this
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Philadelphia Eagles team this offseason, but more specifically, how the philosophy of this
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this team may actually be changing right before our eyes. Of course, we've
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seen a lot of different moves, we've seen some retirements. For sure,
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it's going to be a different team as we know in twenty twenty four twenty
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twenty five season. It's really going to be interesting to see what these new
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acquisitions bring to the table, some new old acquisitions as well, and what
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this NFL Draft is going to possibly look like for the Eagles as well.
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So we got a great discussion. Let's get right to it, and it
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is great to have back on the podcast. We love having him on and
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he has certainly been a busy guy in terms of following and covering what's been
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happening with this Eagles offseason. One of the longest tenured beat reporters covering this
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Eagles team from a fan nation Eagles Today, we have got the one and
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only eggcratz Ed buddy, how are you, my friend? Yeah? Great,
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Jeff. You know, like you said, kind of hopping with all
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these Eagles moves that came out swinging in a free agency and they're still swinging.
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Where this team is going in terms of a philosophical standpoint in terms of
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like a change in direction for sure. But ed before we get into that
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aspect of the conversation here, I was hoping that we could get into a
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couple of former Philadelphia Eagles players who you covered during your entire career as an
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Eagles beat reporter, and I'm talking about one Fletcher Cox and Jason Kelsey.
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I mean, I'm still kind of coming down from the fact that these guys
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are not going to be in an Eagles uniform on the field this coming season
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and have been such a large part of our Philadelphia Eagles lives for well over
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a decade here, and we know what they've meant to the team, what
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they've meant to the city of Philadelphia. But I was hoping ed, if
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you don't mind, I was hoping you might be able to maybe share a
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personal story about each of them, something that you're always going to remember about
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them in the locker room. You know, perhaps you know how they showed
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their character, because we know that they are too high character type of guys
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from everything that's been reported over the years. So do you have a couple
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of stories you wouldn't mind sharing with us? Yeah, you know, and
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thanks for bringing those two guys up, Jeff, because you know, it
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almost feels like two years ago that they left. I mean, with all
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the stuff that's been going on, it's like, oh, you gotta forget.
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Oh you know that we lost Jason Kelcey and Fletcher Cox, and you
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know, those are two really big losses. You can bring in all the
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players you want, which how he's trying to do it seems, but you
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know, you won't find, in my opinion, anybody to replace Jason Kelcey
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and Fletcher Cox what they meant to this organization for like you said, over
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a decade. I mean Kelsey came in twenty eleven, Cox came in twenty
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twelve, and they were players. Will Cox as the Player of the Decade
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voted by the NFL. And Kelsey, of course is just a legendary figure
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in the Philadelphia history. Fans love him. Yeah, Mike Kelsey. You
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know, thinking on Kelsey, it was just an easy guy to talk to
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and you could just talk to him about anything. Really. You know,
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there were times when he didn't want to talk and you know, maybe the
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team wasn't doing well or anything like that, but more or less, he
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was an easy guy to just approach to talk to. We talked about center.
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My son played center, yeah, high school football, and you know,
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we went through all that. And I remember watching an episode if It's
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Always Sunny in Philadelphia where Jason Kelsey. I think it was after they won
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the Super Bowl and bo Allen and him appeared in an episode together and bow
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Allan didn't say anything, he just kind of stood there. So I watched
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that episode. A few years later, my daughter got me into that show
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and I said went up to I said, Jason, I said, I
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just watched that episode with you and it's always sunny Philadelphia. I said,
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bow Down didn't say anything. What was his role? And he said,
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bo Allen couldn't remember his lines. He goes, we tried, but he
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just couldn't remember what he had to say. So I found that funny.
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And then those are two guys that are good friends from my understanding too.
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Yeah, yeah, but it was just funny because Boe couldn't remember his lines.
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He probably had like two of them, right, So you know that's
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that was funny. That's something I remember. And then also with Jason just
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I remember going to a road game somewhere, I don't remember where it was,
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but the visitor locker rooms are always cramped, uh not enough, not
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all out of room. You're tripping over pads and you know, equipment guys
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are trying to get stuff in and out of the locker room. And I
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remember seeing Kelsey have his knee unwrapped by a couple of trainers. They had
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to help him into his chair inside that visitor's locker room and they start unwrapping
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his leg and I'm watching, well, all this is going on, and
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the rap comes off and his leg is literally black. I mean just just
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looked like it had been in a fire and it was charred, and he
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had just played that game, and I'm looking at him like that, that
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leg looks like he needs to be amputated or something. It just does not
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look right. But he played, and he played the next week, and
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he played the rest of the year. I mean, that's the kind of
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toughness Kelsey delivered. I mean, he started what one hundred and fifty plus
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games, hadn't missed the start since the middle of twenty fourteen. And he
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plays a position where there's everything, you know, both sides, you had
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players coming at you. So him to play through that and there were other
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aches and pains, no doubt for Jason Kelsey to me was just I was
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so blown away by the fact that I couldn't believe what I was seeing,
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and then having seen him play, that will always stick with me. I
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don't remember what the injury was, but the leg literally was just black and
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it just didn't look like he could stand on it, and they helped him
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up. He took him into the back into the training room. So that's
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something. And then Fletcher just the way he carried himself in the locker room,
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and you know, off the field and just a leader, you know,
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just the way he walked so proud through that locker room, and players
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you could see just looked up to that guy. Yeah, you know Cox,
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You know, he was all business day in and day out. He
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was all about the grind, took it very seriously. But then I would
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see him at like some of these Jason Kelcey celebrity bar attending events down in
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Sea Isle, Fletcher would show up and he was like a completely different guy.
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It looked like a weight had been lifted from his shoulders. He just
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looked like a kid again. And he was having fun at this event,
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and you know, the business part was behind him, you know, the
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season was behind him, and he was relaxed and having fun and loose,
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and you know, talking to him, he was just a different person in
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terms of that, Like he just was away from that grind because he brought
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it every single day in practice, barely hardly missed any games too, just
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like Kelsey six entire career, I think two last year. Yeah, yes,
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just another tough player. But I loved watching him in that locker room.
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Just the leadership that he exuded, you could see it, you know,
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and and that went a long way with some of these young players,
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and both those guys are going to be so missed inside that locker room,
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and it's to be weird not seeing them there, you know. Yeah,
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And like I said, you can bring in all the talent you want,
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but the Eagles are gonna have to find a way to make up for this
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leadership and for what Kelsey and Cox meant in that locker room. Absolutely,
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and let's get into this offseason here, ed, because I've found it fascinating
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thus far. You know, I've I've mentioned how you know, I didn't
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think there was any way Saquon Barkley was gonna be a part of this team.
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There's no way the Eagles are spending, you know, over four million
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dollars on one running back. Boy certainly proved me wrong. So as we
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are getting into this off season here, I'm hoping that you may be able
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to kind of shed some light into the direction that the Eagles front office is
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going in here during the off season here, I mean, two years ago,
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they make it to the Super Bowl. This past year, it looks
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like they'd possibly return. We're having a decent season only to have one of
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the worst collapses an Eagles team has ever seen, and now the head coach
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has a new offensive coordinator, a new defensive coordinator here, So how is
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the front office viewing this offseason from a philosophical standpoint in terms of, you
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know, perhaps some of the you know, retooling, I hate to use
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certain words. You know, they're certainly not rebuilding, biting stretch of the
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imagination, but so maybe retooling and how that may look in future years as
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well. Yeah, listen, there's no reset, there's no take a year
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off. Let's reload this thing. You know, the Eagles are all in
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every single year. It seems they feel like they have a chance, and
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they were stung by the way last season ended, losers of six out of
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seven after being ten and one. You know, just an epic collapse as
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far as I'm concerned. You know that that should not happen. And the
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fact that Sirianni still has his job is a bit of a surprise to me.
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But you know, they brought in a whole new coaching staff more or
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less. I mean, there's some guys, some holdovers. Jeff Stotlin obviously,
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you know, your offensive line coach, and you know they still have
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some coaches in place, but they replaced both coordinators, and they did it
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with experienced coordinators. Last year they and Sean Decai as a defensive guy,
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it only had one year experience as the de coordinator. They promote Brian Johnson,
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who had never been an offensive coordinator. This year they bring in Kellen
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Moore, and it starts there, really, Jeff, with the coaches.
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You know, new coaches, Kellen Moore experienced oc Vick Fangio's got thirty five
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plus years as a coach in the NFL, has been a defensive coordinator for
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years and years. So it's completely opposite than what they did last year.
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And then they talk about the players. I mean, you know, they
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have money to spend. That's the key. The explosion of the salary cap
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in this offseason, to me, is the reason you've seen a lot of
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these teams adding talent because they had more money to spend. Last year,
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the Eagles went into the free agency period and they didn't have any money really
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yeah, and they had all these guys that they had to try to get
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deals done with, and they had to let a lot of guys go,
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like TJ. Edwards and ky Zier White and Miles Sanders and Isaac Camalu and
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the list goes on and on. Because they couldn't have forward to re up
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these guys. They made a couple of decisions on Bradbury and Slay bring them
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back, but they lost CJ. Cardner Johnson. They wanted to bring him
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back, but they just didn't have the money. So I think that's kind
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of what you're seeing is they have the money, they took some swings,
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and they're certainly not going to take a back seat. They want to go
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all in like they do every year, to try to make a good,
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strong Super Bowl push. And that's what you're saying. Yeah, absolutely,
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I think it's been interesting watching the I guess I'm gonna say retooling, you
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know, retooling of this Eagles defense during this free agency period with various acquisitions.
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I mean after the end of last season. I mean there was such
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a need all over the defensive side of the ball to find new talent.
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You mentioned the loss of TJ. Edwards, which I think was absolutely huge
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last year. I mean the middle of the field. I mean there were
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just wide receivers and tight ends on opposing teams just killing them on intermediate intermediate
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routes throughout the course of the season. BG he's coming back, and we
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know it's going to be his last year. Bryce Huff, He's going to
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be joining BG on that defensive line. I cannot wait to see what he's
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going to be bringing to the table. And then you mentioned CJ. Gardner
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Johnson him coming back to the team too at a safety position. So it's
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so desperately neat in terms of talent. Zach bond or In Burke's two linebackers
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that were signed as well, not too sure how they're going to fit in.
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It seems to be a lot of thought possibly behind the scenes, that
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Kobe Dean is going to be the guy moving forward really in the center of
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the field there. So do you think we're still going to see a front
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office philosophy of building strictly in the trenches as we're moving forward given these defensive
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changes here, or you know, might we see something different as the off
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season progresses here? Ed? Yeah, you know, that's what they value
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is the trenches. But you know how he did say out at the combine
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in Indianapolis said, hey, you know, we have a young defensive line
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now with Fletcher gow retiring, you know, Jalen Carter, Jordan Davis,
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Milton Williams, Maro Ojomo. These are young guys, so they bring in
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a veteran. I'm not so sure though, I don't know what's out there
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in the free agent market to bring in, you know, as a defensive
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veteran. But they really loaded up on the edges, you know, bringing
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Josh sweatback on a one year, ten million dollar deal kind of a surprise
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to me. After giving giving him permission to seek a trade. Hassan Reddick
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still out there trying to find a trade partner. But now you look at
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the edge, you know, he added Bryce Huffa you mentioned, and a
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sending player. They hope that he can build on that ten sax season he
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had with the Jets last year. Former undrafted free agent, so he plays
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with that forever chip on his shoulder. Sold shoulder for being an undrafted free
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agent. You know, when you have Brandon Graham, I have Josh Sweat.
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You know, they've they've done a lot on that edge to build that
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up and that's still kind of a you know, a big priority for them.
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So what we've seen, you know, we talked about Saquon that was
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kind of a departure. Obviously, you mentioned that last year they had like
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four guys that were playing for less than ten million dollars, and now they
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have one guy. So when they go out and they sign him, you
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think, well, you know, maybe this whole new idea is concept that
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they introduced when they said we're bringing Kellen Moore in too, hopefully bring some
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new ideas to this stagnant offense that we got stuck in last year. You
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think, oh, well, maybe it'll trickle up. And then they sign
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Saque and you think, yeah, that's a departure from the receis now what
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happens at linebacker, But we're still seeing that same one year approach. Jack
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Nicobe Dean will be counted on. But they bring in Devin White, who
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was benched last year. He's at a crossroads of his career, a former
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fifth overall pick in the draft, he's twenty six years old. If he
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can figure it out, if he can play a little bit more disciplined under
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Vic Fangio, maybe they found something there. They bring in, like you
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said, Warren Burks, and they bring in Zach Bonn, who might even
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be a pass rusher. He might be kind of an edge guy, and
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then they added Julian Aquara, a guy that kind of went on the futures,
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reserved guys starting experience with the Detroit Lions, so you know they are
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bolstering it. I think they're going to add a linebacker in the first two
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days of the draft. We know they never do it on the first day.
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Yeah, but I think on the second day they have two picks,
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right, they have two second rounders, so I think, you know,
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they might take a young linebacker there and see where they can go with him.
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But yeah, and as far as the back end, the safety,
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I think that addition of CJ. Gordner Johnson makes the most sense to me
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of all the moves he made. He was a guy, a playmaker six
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interceptions, tied for the league lead when he was here. Last time,
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he got hurt, missed five games, and that's a worry with him.
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He only played three games last year with the Lions. He tore his peck
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muscle, made it back for the playoffs. But he's a playmaker when he's
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healthy and he gives that back. Then I have Sidney Brown who can kind
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of come back when he's ready after that ACL tear, and you have red
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Blankenship and you're probably going to get another guy. You're probably gonna want to
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bring somebody else in at that position. And I don't know where it comes
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from. Maybe it comes in free agency, maybe it comes in the draft,
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but yeah, they seem to be willing to kind of depart a little
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bit from their old ways of let's build through the trench as it started with
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Barkley on the offense. Yep, And we could see it if they draft
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the linebacker, you knows, hey, let's get a guy in here that
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we can hopefully develop for four years. Yeah. Absolutely. My concern right
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now with where the linebacker position is ed is the fact that Vic Fangio's defense,
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what we've seen for years with cover six defense is that safeties and linebackers
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just need to cover in open space. They need to Devin White just does
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not seem to be that type of guy. He's been in the league now
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for a little while. And yes, his pursuit of the ball is great,
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it's fantastic in terms of coverage in a Cover six. I just don't
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know if he's going to necessarily be the guy who went out there on the
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field as well as who knows where it's gonna happen with Kobe Dean. I'm
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a little worried about the live position, like you. I think that really
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could be addressed early on in the draft. Yeah, and you know,
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you wonder if Julian Aquara can do it. I think Zach Bond, not
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Zach wan oron Burke's I think he's got a bit of a reputation for being
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a coverage guy. So yeah, I mean, I think you'll see that
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and CJ could play down close to the line of scrimmage and take guys coming
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out of the slot, you know, if need be. So you know,
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I think they'll have some versatility there and they'll have some options and then
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they'll start sifting through those options once camp starts, and Barren Burks could be
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the guy. I don't know. You're right about Devin White. I don't
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think he's known as a big coverage guy. But you know who is Peyton
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Wilson from North Carolina State who's sitting in the draft. Good coverage guy.
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Maybe he's the guy they go with in the second round. But you're right,
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that's kind of Fansy his way, as he likes to have coverage linebackers
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in space. Yep, safety's cover in space and do they have enough at
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this point? I don't think so. But listen, we're one week into
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the free agency, sat right, They've got months to get this thing right
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exactly exactly. I mean, this is all a good segue into, you
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know, the fact that it does feel like the draft is going to be
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here before we know it, ed And I do wonder with all the trades
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that we have seen, how we make year after year with regard to you
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know, giving away this draft pick for this talent. We so of course
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saw the move to secure A J. Brown as well on Draft Day.
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How do you think they're going to approach this upcoming draft in terms of the
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amount of picks and can we anticipate do you think some movement or a lot
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of movement perhaps like we have seen year after year. What are your thoughts
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about this upcoming draft philosophy? Yeah, you know, has Son Reddick has
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really wanted to keep an eye on. I just I'm not sure there's a
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path back for him at this stage. I really don't. You know,
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they have bolstered the edge a little bit. You know, maybe they go
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for another guy in the draft, maybe in the first round. Again,
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that's the premium. The line D line is where they like to spend those
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picks. Maybe they go to the cornerback. They could probably use a cornerback
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to come in here. You know, I know they have some young guys
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that like Keey Ringo who might play a role. Eli Rix, Zach McPherson
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will be back. He tours ACL last summer, so you know, I
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know they got shorthanded in the slot last year. And you wonder about Avonte
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Maddox. You know, somebody that is still out there. You know,
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could he come back at some point before the draft. But Hassan Reddick,
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to me, Jeff is someone to keep an eye on. You know,
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they lost the third round pick when they traded back twenty two spots to get
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Kenny Pickett, the quarterback. You know, maybe let Hassan Reddick go for
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a third round pick. I hate that. I don't think that's good value.
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But he is thirty, he's once twenty two million dollars a year minimum.
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Probably if you get a team that'll give you a third and maybe some
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change, you know, some loose change, you know, in the next
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year's draft or wherever. Maybe you got to do it, and you land
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that third round pick that you parted with to acquire Kenny Pickett. So to
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me, I would keep an eye on him as a possibility to be dealt
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at some point, either during a draft or in the days leading up to
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the draft. Again, folks, we are talking to Ed Kratz from Eagles
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Today Fan Nation. Fantastic content. Always follow him on Twitter slash x at
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Kratz e He is a great, great follow And as we're finishing up here,
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Ed, I wanted to talk about one gentleman in particular because he certainly
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had an up and down season in the twenty twenty three twenty twenty four season,
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and that is one Jalen Hurts. And as we know, the quarterback
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position probably the most important position in sports, as many have dubbed it over
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the years. I'm wondering, as you're analyzing and taking in and still you
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know a lot of us, I think are still kind of digesting what twenty
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twenty three was for this team, I'm wondering, what does Jalen Hurts really
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need to work on most this offseason based on what you saw this past season,
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based on the strengths that we saw from him and the weaknesses that we
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saw from him as well, And do you think he can perhaps get back
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to that dominant play that we saw back in the twenty twenty two season.
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What are your thoughts? Yeah, listen, I think so. I mean,
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you know, Jalen's out working hard to get better, and he always
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wants to improve. As a pro athlete, you want to get better every
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year. You know, there's always things for you to work on. If
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you're staying stagnant, then people are passing you, and Jalen's not wired that
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way. So I think he needs to obviously improve on his interceptions. He
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had way too many of them last year sixteen or seventeen. I think seventeen.
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He lost five fumbles. I mean, he just turned the ball over
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way too much over twenty times. You can't have that. So whether you're
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actually looking at other defenses, watching tape to improve, that's something I would
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be doing if I was him, is trying to find out how did I
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make this decision? Why did I throw it here? You know, try
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to cut down on those interceptions. He did that two years ago. I
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think he had six this year. You know, too many. Not all
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of them are his fault, you know, let's face it, you know,
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we saw some balls go through some receiver's hands and they're picked off.
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But you know, ultimately he is responsible for those interceptions, and he's got
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to cut down on him. He's got to take better care of the football
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when he's in the pocket. He has to be a little more aware of
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the pressure that's coming on. So, you know, I think those are
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two areas that he needs to cut down on his ball security. And then
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with the interceptions, you have to get better there and listen. I think
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he will. The Eagles brought in Kellen Moore to work with him. He's
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got a new quarterback coach, Doug Nusmeyer. I think those two guys will
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help. I think Saquon will help. You wonder, you know, is
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Jalen gonna run much? You know, will he throw the ball down to
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Saquon Barkley. I think that's another thing he has to learn, is to
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take the check down instead of trying to take off. Just throw the ball
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to the open running back underneath and let him create and try to pick up
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whatever he can. They didn't do that enough with DeAndre Swift last year.
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That was one of Swift's strengths. But I think the Eagles did a good
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job of taking advantage of it. Barkley has that same strength. I'd like
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to see him get the ball a little bit more in the past game.
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But I think Saquon's presence is really going to help Jalen open up some things
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on that RPO game. He can keep the ball, should loosen some things
23:17
up for him to throw the ball. So they've done some They've taken some
23:19
steps to help him be better. Now he has to do it on his
23:23
own to get better too, and I'm sure that he is. Yeah,
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it's gonna be real interesting to watch for sure throughout this offseason. What's gonna
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happen with this Eagles team an organization again, folks. Egg Kratz from Eagles
23:36
Today over at fan Nation, Ed, Buddy, you are so awesome for
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coming on the show consistently time and time again. I absolutely love talking to
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you. Come back join us down the road. I love what you're doing
23:47
out there. Keep up the great work and let's talk down the road,
23:49
my friend. Yeah, you're doing a great job too, Jeff, thanks
23:52
a lot. I know we had to really work hard to get this thing
23:55
put together, but we got it done and that's great and we'll keep doing
23:59
it long as we can. It's interesting to think about where this Eagles team
24:03
has really gone over the past few years, and by no stretch of the
24:07
imagination should we be thinking that right now during this offseason it is somehow a
24:11
rebuild or anything. It's not that at all. It's not even necessarily a
24:15
retooling. Although you know, as Ed and I were talking about this defense,
24:18
there's certainly some new talent, there's some new acquisition that we're going to
24:23
be seeing on the field this year. So maybe from a defensive perspective,
24:26
of course, does maybe seem like a retool But I think a philosophy of
24:33
needing to know that you need to bring about some changes. That's what we
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have been seeing from Howie Roseman and this front office. And you know,
24:40
I think you know, as Ed was talking about too, I think we're
24:41
going to see that potentially with Jalen Hurts this coming season. He's going to
24:45
continue to grow into his position. He's going to continue to grow as a
24:49
leader. I believe. I believe that is his character. I believe that's
24:53
the foundation of who Jalen Hurts is. That's what we have seen thus far.
24:57
And yes, while this PAS season might not have been the best season
25:00
for him. It may, you know, it may go down as one
25:03
of those, you know, as we talked about on this show before,
25:07
you know, one of the top most disappointing seasons in Eagles history, not
25:10
just for him, but you know, for US fans as well. Jalen
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Hurts is gonna continue to mature and I can't wait to see what he's gonna
25:15
do this coming season for sure, man. And I can't wait what's gonna
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happen with the draft when it comes to this Eagles team and what how he
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