Latest / Freedom Flip / The Price of Tomorrow: Why Deflation Is the Key to an Abundant Future by Jeff Booth (EP035)
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- 0:00January 10, 2008, quote, the Federal Reserve is not forecast currently forecasting a recession.
- 0:07Ben Bernanke interview with CNBC.
- 0:09July 16, 2008, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are well capitalized and in no danger of failing.
- 0:16Ben Bernanke speaking to Congress.
- 0:18September 18, 2008.
- 0:19Quote, We are in a danger of a broad systematic collapse, and action needs to be taken urgently to head it off.
- 0:26We need the authority to spend several hundred billion.
- 0:29Hank Paulson in the Oval Office, September 18, 2008.
- 0:33The Price of Tomorrow by Jeff Booth.
- 0:36So this is a banger book.
- 0:38As you can see, it kind of shines a light that nobody understands what the hell is really going on.
- 0:44And our entire system is potentially going to shift now because of technology in a way we never understood.
- 0:52Because the entire system with technology is actually how the prices go down.
- 0:57Now, when I hear that, it doesn't make sense.
- 0:59It blows my brain.
- 1:00It's like, no, no, no.
- 1:01Gravity, my whole life, gravity goes down, prices go up, right?
- 1:04It's more expensive to buy things over time.
- 1:06My money's worth less.
- 1:08This book explains why all of that is wrong.
- 1:11So I'm very, very excited to dive deep into this book.
- 1:15I think that this book, I have never read the book, but I watched hours and hours and hours of interviews of Jeff.
- 1:22I think that Jeff Booth is incredible and he has a very unique, very particular way of taking a look at this situation.
- 1:30He has a great phrase, which I'm sure that we're going to get into the book, which is the natural state of a free market is deflation.
- 1:39And I think that in the last five, six years, Americans started to realize that inflation is something that happens and it's something that sometimes can get a little bit out of control.
- 1:51And for whatever reason, we are being told by the authorities that having a little bit of inflation is good.
- 1:59How they come about 1%, 2%, that's our target for inflation.
- 2:05It's kind of bizarre, or at least it's not easy to understand from my point of view, because it's basically saying it's okay for us to...
- 2:14to erode your savings by 2% every single year.
- 2:18And I think that the biggest excuse that they say is, well, if this is not the case, then you will be saving money.
- 2:25You will be hoarding money because prices are going to be falling.
- 2:29Which I think that is something that we see all the time.
- 2:32Like look at the price of a computer 30 years ago and a price of a computer today and compare the characteristics of both computers.
- 2:40The computers are, technology has definitely,
- 2:43Driven price down.
- 2:45Definitely.
- 2:45Like 100% confirmed.
- 2:47Yeah, I have a funny example of that.
- 2:49I'm getting some new TVs, and my brain was still stuck in like the 1990s, where I was like, ah, these are going to cost me like $5,000 for a new 60-inch TV.
- 2:58And somebody, or I looked it up, it was like, what?
- 3:01What?
- 3:02These are like 350 bucks.
- 3:04Are you kidding me?
- 3:05I can get it shipped to my house for $400.
- 3:07And it was one of those, my brain is broken because it's stuck in prices from 10, 15 years ago.
- 3:13And there's a famous chart that shows highly regulated industries, healthcare, education, etc.
- 3:19Prices are exponentially going up.
- 3:21Technology, computers, TVs, etc.
- 3:23Prices are going down.
- 3:25Yeah, so that is the difference between a free market and a market that is not free.
- 3:30Healthcare, for example, or education is not a free market.
- 3:33The government is in the middle picking winners and losers, which drives the price higher.
- 3:39Housing is the same thing.
- 3:41Yep.
- 3:41So let's dive into some bangers.
- 3:43So at a high level with the table context, the book just flows.
- 3:47He kind of explains how money printing works, how economy works, then creative destruction, entrepreneurs goes into technology, goes into the future of energy and intelligence, and then knocks you out of the park with like...
- 4:01why governments create us versus them, and then the call to action.
- 4:05So this is kind of the flow of the book.
- 4:06So the first banger on page 12, so he says, in 2000, the total debt in the world was approximately 62 trillion.
- 4:15At the same time, the world economy in 2000 was about 33.5 trillion.
- 4:19So,
- 4:21So just zoom out.
- 4:22Total world economy, 33.5.
- 4:25Total debt, 62 trillion in the world in 2000.
- 4:29Since 2000, the world economy has grown from US 33.5 trillion to US 80 trillion.
- 4:35But to achieve that growth,
- 4:37The total debt has grown to over U.S. $247 trillion as of the third quarter of 2018, according to the Institute of International Finance.
- 4:45In other words, it has taken approximately $185 trillion of debt to achieve only $46 trillion of global growth.
- 4:53Okay.
- 4:55So simple.
- 4:56Let me break that down.
- 4:57All that is to say for every $1 of growth in the global economy, we had to use $4 of debt.
- 5:03So that's like me coming to you, Bank Pablo, and saying, hey, can I borrow $4, Pablo?
- 5:07You're like, yeah, sure.
- 5:09As long as you're going to pay me back, here's $4.
- 5:11And all I can make with that is $1 of revenue.
- 5:14Yeah, that's pretty bad.
- 5:16It's very, very bad.
- 5:21Wait a second.
- 5:21Are you saying that the governments are not good capital allocators?
- 5:25Is that your conspiracy theory here?
- 5:28It's a very interesting thing.
- 5:31So I think the next one that's kind of interesting, he talks a little bit on page 18, is...
- 5:36Talks about, you know, this is the important thing to realize with most world wars and major wars.
- 5:40They all start as currency wars.
- 5:42That's the first one.
- 5:43Then trade wars.
- 5:45And then the third is the real wars.
- 5:49So you polarize, you drive protectionism, and then you result in nationalism.
- 5:53World War I, World War II, all these prior ones.
- 5:55He goes into those details of how that kind of occurs historically.
- 5:59So the third one on page 19, I kind of talk about Ben Bernanke.
- 6:03It goes through the former Fed chair.
- 6:05He has all this confidence in 2006, 2007.
- 6:07Then 2008, he's still confident.
- 6:10I'm sorry, during 2007.
- 6:11And then he's basically like, the whole world's blowing up.
- 6:14On a dime, he just flips.
- 6:15Yeah.
- 6:16And I think this is the realization that those who are in charge of economic policy, of printing currencies, of et cetera, they don't really understand.
- 6:24Not that I do either, but they pretend as if they do.
- 6:28It's a big show.
- 6:29It's a big act that they're building confidence.
- 6:32You are saying that he didn't even know.
- 6:35I have a different opinion.
- 6:37I think that they know.
- 6:39I think that they just, I wouldn't say that they are lying on purpose, but I think that if they say what they know, then confidence will go to shit.
- 6:48And then people will start taking certain actions that will make the whole thing even worse.
- 6:54Interesting.
- 6:55That's what I think that happens.
- 6:57There is a great example in Argentina, early 2000s, before the whole country blew up, where the guy is basically saying, guys, if you deposit dollars in the bank, don't worry, you will get dollars.
- 7:10And all that to then what happened is all the banks like, hey, I know that you deposit dollars.
- 7:15We're going to give you pesos at a third of what you deposited.
- 7:19And not all at once.
- 7:20It's going to take a couple of years.
- 7:22So if he comes and says, hey, listen, we are in deep shit, most likely you will not get your dollars.
- 7:28Guess what do you think is going to happen the second after?
- 7:31Everyone will go to the banks and the whole thing will collapse.
- 7:34Now, you may say, well, the whole thing collapsed anyways.
- 7:37You are right.
- 7:38Yes.
- 7:39But I really think that these guys know exactly what's going on and they are just lying.
- 7:44Because they believe that that's the best way to deal with that situation.
- 7:49It's an interesting theory.
- 7:50Neither of us knows, right?
- 7:51Either could be right.
- 7:53The truth either way is what you're hearing or what is being presented is not necessarily right.
- 7:59So doubt it, question it.
- 8:00Yes.
- 8:01Doubt it, question it, whether they're lying or whether they're just ignorant and think they're smart.
- 8:07It ends up being wrong.
- 8:07For me, a simple way of doing this is when you are hearing one of these guys, just flip it.
- 8:13Yeah.
- 8:13Just flip it.
- 8:13And that's most likely the right thing that is happening or that will happen.
- 8:18Yes.
- 8:19I love that.
- 8:20Okay.
- 8:20So then I didn't really understand this and I was a finance major in college.
- 8:24So, but in page 24 and 25, I really liked when he explained this concept for me, which was higher income countries, Europe, United States.
- 8:33typically rely on consumer spending as the primary driver of GDP growth, while lower-income countries are more likely to depend on net exports.
- 8:41These inputs compete against each other.
- 8:43For example, in countries with higher incomes, consumer spending naturally increases, but because their jobs pay more, their exports to other countries are disadvantaged by being more expensive.
- 8:53So basically what that says is in the U.S., it's all about how much I'm spending and I'm buying a lot of stuff, which countries that don't afford as much will just pay.
- 9:03Now, the problem is all these countries then play with their currency is what he explains.
- 9:07So he says what they try and do is then they try and deflate their currency so that it's actually they can get more exports.
- 9:14But then all the countries are like, no, I'll just deflate my currency so my country gets more exports.
- 9:19Exports.
- 9:20And there's just levers that trade with these.
- 9:22And some Americans or Europeans might hear this and go, well, this is unfair.
- 9:27Like, we should just create more products.
- 9:29And he says this banger on page 25.
- 9:31He goes, I'm sure that many people in the U.S. who are frustrated with China's role as a producer would not accept the 996 work weeks, 9 a.m. to 9 p.m. six days per week for average wages of $1,400 per month that many of their Chinese counterparts have.
- 9:46And it's a really good rebuttal.
- 9:48So a lot of this just kind of explains how the world works.
- 9:51And I didn't necessarily fully understand or appreciate that prior to the book.
- 9:55That's great.
- 9:55That's a great point of view.
- 9:56Yes.
- 9:57And then so page 42, it's a good reminder for those people alive in the 90s.
- 10:02So Blockbuster at its height of popularity had more than 84,000 employees and more than 9,000 stores.
- 10:08Wow.
- 10:10But over 9,000 stores globally.
- 10:11But Blockbuster didn't see the rate of technology.
- 10:15So when they finally saw it, what was coming, it was too late.
- 10:199,000 stores with the attendant costs became a disadvantage almost overnight.
- 10:24So this is the neat thing he kind of pushes, that this big system, 84,000 employees, 9,000 stores overnight with digital delivery, first through CDs and then through online downstream.
- 10:35Yeah.
- 10:36It flipped them from being the 800-pound gorilla, the big powerful, to like the weakest thing in the world that's not going to last at all.
- 10:43And I think that's an example he's showing of the disruptive technology and what he calls, I think it's Joseph Schumpter is the economist that says creative destruction.
- 10:52Yeah, that's interesting.
- 10:53I don't think that it's all, it's about technology.
- 10:55I don't think that is the main issue.
- 10:57I think that the main issue is the people that are at the top, they think that they are invincible.
- 11:03And this happens even with countries.
- 11:05This is why the Roman Empire lost.
- 11:07This is why the British Empire lost.
- 11:09This is why the French Empire lost.
- 11:10This is why all empires collapse.
- 11:13It's because they think that they are the shit.
- 11:16And then all of a sudden, somebody else comes like, no, maybe not.
- 11:20Let me see how can I take market share from you?
- 11:23Yeah, I think you're right.
- 11:24I mean, in the military terms, it's usually because they did a bunch of wars that caused too much debt and expanded.
- 11:30Like, you know, Britain, it was Britain and Russia both going into Afghanistan and going into the Middle East kind of was the Achilles heel.
- 11:38I think you're right that it's a misstep by the leader.
- 11:40But let's say the leader was Steve Jobs and Elon Musk and an innovator.
- 11:44He still has 9,000 stores that depending on the lease and the guarantees for 5, 10 years, it's still a huge burden to shift the boat.
- 11:53It is, but I disagree with you.
- 11:55I think that it's 100% doable.
- 11:57Let's just take the example of Facebook.
- 11:59Mark Zuckerberg had just Facebook.
- 12:01But then he's like, he saw Instagram.
- 12:04Everyone shitted on him when he bought it for a billion bucks.
- 12:06And look, look what he made out of Instagram.
- 12:09Then he bought WhatsApp.
- 12:10Everyone is shitting on him because he bought WhatsApp.
- 12:12This is a guy that is at the forefront and is making sure that he doesn't get disrupted.
- 12:18Yeah, there's a really cool book on this called The Innovator's Dilemma, which explains what we're talking about, which is the challenge of keeping your old going.
- 12:26And he says this, did Blockbuster have bad management?
- 12:29No, they were trapped in existing frameworks.
- 12:32Even if they had known what was coming and could solve it, their existing business model didn't give them an advantage in the new market.
- 12:38The cost to keep the old business going and pivot to a new business would have been extraordinarily high.
- 12:43Netflix created Blockbuster was destroyed.
- 12:45Yeah.
- 12:45So his view is it's pure technology.
- 12:47Yours is pure management.
- 12:49I would probably say it's both.
- 12:50No, I wouldn't say that it's both, of course.
- 12:52It's both happening at the same time.
- 12:55The technology is available.
- 12:56The management sucks.
- 12:58They think that they are invincible.
- 13:00And then all of a sudden, they are not.
- 13:02Somebody else comes and eats their lunch.
- 13:04Question.
- 13:05Why is this book named The Price of Tomorrow?
- 13:09I don't know the answer to that.
- 13:12Yeah, I think I look at it as like, what is the price to exist tomorrow?
- 13:15Or what is the price of spinning now and getting dead?
- 13:18Or all of this kind of relates to where is the price going?
- 13:21If deflation really happens, we're going to watch prices drop to the floor.
- 13:25That's kind of what I was assuming.
- 13:28Okay, next banger, page 49 and 50.
- 13:30This one is, I think, about all the time.
- 13:32So look at the automotive industry.
- 13:34Henry Ford failed in his first business because the technology required to create the automobile made it too expensive to scale.
- 13:41He started Detroit Automotive Company in 1899.
- 13:43It failed in late 1901 because the cars were low quality and high price, but he persevered and created the Model T.
- 13:51So think about that.
- 13:52That's 1899 to 1901.
- 13:53Now flip to page 50.
- 13:56And I love this.
- 13:57In 2001, Amazon lost about 94% of its market value from its peak in 1999.
- 14:04And the analysts were all over it, with some saying it would not survive.
- 14:08I think that is so powerful to just remember.
- 14:11Henry Ford, 1899, bankrupt 1901.
- 14:14Jeff Bezos, peak of the world, 1999, 100 years later, basically bankrupt 2001.
- 14:21And it's like these guys that are really driven by technology and innovation, they come back and they create the technology of that hundred years that changes the world.
- 14:32100%.
- 14:32One more time, I just come back to leadership.
- 14:34I wouldn't call it management.
- 14:35It's just leadership.
- 14:37And you have, you just mentioned two people that are great examples of pure relentlessness and innovation.
- 14:45So page 71 gives the last example of this kind of innovative technology.
- 14:50In 1976, Kodak held 90% of film sales and 85% of camera sales in the United States.
- 14:56At its peak in 1996, it had over two-thirds of the global market with sales of $16 billion and a company value over $31 billion.
- 15:03The downfall of Kodak was incredible because Kodak employee Steve Sasson actually invented the first digital camera in 1975.
- 15:11and the first DSLR camera in 1989.
- 15:14Both times he pitched executives who failed to see how digital camera would shape the future of the industry.
- 15:19One more time, I don't think that they failed to see how it will change.
- 15:22I think that they failed to relinquish their short-term profits.
- 15:25That's it.
- 15:25Yeah, you're right.
- 15:27That's a great summary.
- 15:27They're very comfy with their fat bonuses.
- 15:30Yeah.
- 15:30And they're just executives.
- 15:32They are not innovators.
- 15:34They are not leaders.
- 15:37I love that.
- 15:37On page 93 and 94, he says, talking about cars, when you remove humans, you also remove human error.
- 15:45Approximately 94% of automotive accidents are caused by human error, according to National Safety Council in the United States.
- 15:53The estimated cost of major vehicle deaths, injuries, and property damage in 2017 was $413.8 billion.
- 16:01The cost includes wage and productivity losses, medical expenses, administrative expenses, and property damage.
- 16:08I guess that here what he's making the point is that technology is inherently deflationary, meaning that when there is a free market, technology driven by a free market,
- 16:20makes things be cheaper and cheaper and cheaper and cheaper and cheaper.
- 16:26This is what he's driving.
- 16:27And I think when you, he mentions kind of as autonomous driving, including Tesla and Waymo promised to underwrite their own insurance, that $414 billion gets wiped out, meaning it's not spent anymore.
- 16:39And so you nailed it.
- 16:40Everything becomes cheaper.
- 16:42We all live like kings where we have a personal driver and whatever car we want, whenever we want for pennies.
- 16:46And we live, you know, better than the richest man in the world did 20 years ago in terms of transportation.
- 16:52So definitely a powerful, a powerful banger.
- 16:57Go ahead, Papa.
- 16:58My understanding is that he talks a lot about
- 17:02how we live in a world where printing money is the way of living and expansion of credit and then what happens when that's the norm?
- 17:12Yeah, he does go into, you know, on page 102, I had that.
- 17:16Remember the world of 2018 has approximately $250 trillion of debt to run $80 trillion.
- 17:23That debt itself is a massive drag on the future growth because of interest payments on it.
- 17:27What about when we add another $555 trillion with the incredible amount of debt today?
- 17:32So he basically explains it's not really sustainable.
- 17:35And I think a lot of this, the reason I love the book is I was frankly pretty depressed when I thought about these numbers because I was using the old frameworks.
- 17:44I was like, dude, we're going off a cliff as a country, as a globe, as everything.
- 17:49And it's not sustainable and it's depressing and we're going to be in a bad place.
- 17:53And I think I was probably just reading too much Doomer stuff.
- 17:55And this was the first thing that really made sense.
- 17:58And he starts going into energy as well, the future of energy and these other areas where he kind of talks about how systems operate.
- 18:05And I think here's one banger example.
- 18:07In page 110, he goes into Let the Sun Shine In.
- 18:10He says, in less than two hours, more energy from the sun hits the earth than the yearly worldwide consumption of energy.
- 18:19That's awesome.
- 18:20Two hours.
- 18:22And, you know, that's when he starts kind of hitting you with these bangers.
- 18:25And page 111, Richard Swanson, founder of SunPower, states that the price of solar tends to drop 20% for every doubling of shipping volume.
- 18:33At present, trends of shipping volume that suggests cost will fall by 75% every 10 years.
- 18:38So just the cost of the energy goes down, and that ties directly to GDP growth, which is just so cool with this abundance mindset of where we're going.
- 18:47So...
- 18:48Okay, flip into the next one.
- 18:50I liked in 127, Karl Popper says, True ignorance is not the absence of knowledge, it's the refusal to acquire it.
- 18:57Pretty good to remember, like, we can't be closed-minded and think we already know how everything works.
- 19:03It's just everything that we were just talking about.
- 19:05Yeah.
- 19:06All these businesses and countries that fail is because they were closed-minded.
- 19:11They thought they knew.
- 19:12Yeah.
- 19:13And then he kind of goes into how we get programmed and, you know, how we get controlled.
- 19:17And this is interesting.
- 19:18He talks about Germany.
- 19:19So on page 173, he says, Germany began printing large amounts of money, which caused hyperinflation, wiping out all debt and all savings.
- 19:28One U.S. dollar in 1914 was equivalent to four German marks.
- 19:33By 1923, the same U.S. dollar was worth 4.2 trillion German marks.
- 19:40Imagine a life savings not being enough to purchase a loaf of bread.
- 19:43As the leader of the National Socialist Germany Workers' Party, or Nazi Party, Hitler used a growing frustration to build a strong following.
- 19:50He made a failed attempt at a revolution with his Munich Beer Hall and was in prison in 1923.
- 19:55While imprisoned, he wrote Mein Kampf.
- 19:57Pretty interesting.
- 19:59He's getting into inflation now.
- 20:00Yeah, gets into inflation.
- 20:02Printing money and...
- 20:05Here is the interesting part that I've been thinking a lot about is when you look, Peter, at different countries in the history of humanity that went through hyperinflation, which is basically all the empires in the past.
- 20:21Yeah.
- 20:22And then eventually they just change the currency to a new one to try to bring, try to make people forget about whatever was happening into a new thing.
- 20:30Try to bring the confidence back.
- 20:31What are the assets that if you held them, you lost?
- 20:35I think it'd be interesting to flip it and say, what are the assets you could hold that you wouldn't have lost?
- 20:39Well, we can do that.
- 20:41I think that the answer is much shorter.
- 20:43Your answer is going to be very big.
- 20:45And the answer to my question is very small.
- 20:48I thought most of the answers, most things would be going down with hyperinflation.
- 20:54In value.
- 20:54So if you have a house, you're saying the price of the house is going to go down.
- 20:57Yeah, because fewer buyers, the market isn't liquid.
- 21:01It's like most things just crash because of demand falling through the floor.
- 21:05Yeah, I don't think that you are wrong if you are just taking the exact moment of a crisis.
- 21:11But if you, when you look at the full spectrum, and again, unless the country becomes a shithole, but if not, the desire of people living in a house is going to remain high.
- 21:21The demand is high.
- 21:23The supply is...
- 21:25I want to say that it's fixed, but it doesn't increase as much as the demand.
- 21:28The short answer, Peter, is cash.
- 21:32If you held cash through an inflationary period, you lost.
- 21:36And the other one is debt.
- 21:37Oh, I see what you're saying.
- 21:38Over a five or 10-year phase.
- 21:40You're totally right.
- 21:4120 years, 30 years.
- 21:42Yeah.
- 21:43If you held debt, if someone owes you money, then you lost.
- 21:49If you owe money to someone and you didn't get wrecked in the middle, then you win.
- 21:54Yep.
- 21:55As long as you can survive the payments through the hardest period.
- 21:58Exactly.
- 21:59So this is why if you have a house with whatever mortgage it is, it doesn't really matter.
- 22:05After 30 years, you're going to be like, that was a great deal.
- 22:09Yeah.
- 22:10Thank God.
- 22:10That was awesome.
- 22:11That was a phenomenal deal.
- 22:13Yeah.
- 22:13It's actually funny.
- 22:14I think I just saw 40%, 40 or 50%, something like that, homeowners in the United States today have 4% or below 30-year mortgages.
- 22:25And 4% are below mortgages, which is pretty wild seeing that rates today are somewhere around like, I think 6% for a mortgage.
- 22:33Seven, yeah.
- 22:33Seven.
- 22:34It's like, oof, that's going to create a very illiquid market because everyone's kind of trapped, good or bad, in their current mortgage, not wanting an increase in rate.
- 22:43It's fascinating.
- 22:45Okay, so next banger, page 194.
- 22:47It's kind of interesting.
- 22:48It talks about, it says Ray Dalio talks about the four levers a government can pull to escape a debt crisis when the burden's high.
- 22:56Number one is austerity, which means spending less.
- 22:59Probably not happening.
- 23:00Number two, debt defaults or restructuring.
- 23:03You know, Argentina has been through it.
- 23:04Many countries have been through it.
- 23:06Number three is central bank printing money or other guarantees.
- 23:09Easy one.
- 23:10It's a tax no one gets to, you know, sign off for.
- 23:14It just happens in the background.
- 23:15Or number four is transfers of money from those who have more than they need to those who have less.
- 23:22Much higher taxes for the rich.
- 23:23I wrote theft next to it.
- 23:26those are the four levers which i think it's powerful to realize like the government can't solve anything without creating at least some kind of problem right theft is bad rich people want to leave because they don't want to be stolen from money printing is bad it actually squeezes the lower and middle class the most because they're holding the cash so there's kind of these trade-offs that hurt you in any of the four levers that the government will pull but
- 23:54And number three is printing money.
- 23:56Yes.
- 23:56Yeah, this is interesting.
- 23:57I think that the solution is number two, which is stop spending like a fucking drunk sailor.
- 24:03Stop it.
- 24:04And I understand.
- 24:05I'm sorry.
- 24:05Another way is stop stealing.
- 24:08Stop.
- 24:09The theft, come on, if you can stop the theft, I wouldn't say stop spending, just stop stealing.
- 24:14I think that we can, as humanity, if we stop stealing, I think that we can get out of this.
- 24:21But I don't think that anyone that is in power wants to stop stealing theft.
- 24:27or call it stop spending on things that gets them the votes for their next election.
- 24:33So the solution is if you owe a lot of money and you all own the money printing, then just print more money.
- 24:40And that debt, that money that you need to pay to somebody else is going to go down over time.
- 24:46The problem, and this is something that the U.S. is starting to face now, is people start questioning themselves.
- 24:53Are you able to pay?
- 24:55Are you as solid as you were before?
- 24:58I know that you are telling me you are, but what are you going to tell me?
- 25:01That you're not?
- 25:02So therefore, I'm going to demand more money in interest because you are a little bit more risky.
- 25:09That's when things start getting complicated.
- 25:11And that's what we are experiencing now.
- 25:13Yeah, I think you nailed it.
- 25:14And page 196, he talks about a day will come probably sooner than later when we realize that the only thing driving our economies is the explosion of debt.
- 25:22If governments need to run huge deficits with extremely low interest rates for fear of growth failing, even in economies that are running at near full employment, imagine how the debt and deficits explode in a recession or depression when the economy falters.
- 25:35Once bondholders determine that governments have little ability to repay or service the debt, the risk premium or interest rates on the debt will rise.
- 25:42Sure, governments can monetize and make their currencies worthless, but as other central banks monetize as well, the strategy becomes irrelevant.
- 25:50It's exactly what you're talking about.
- 25:52It is super interesting.
- 25:53And then, so he gets in, we're getting close to the end of the book.
- 25:56On 197, he talks about higher tax on the wealthy, guaranteed basic income.
- 26:00It says, one of the more prominent proposals in this camp is the universal basic income.
- 26:05And he really kind of talks about this shift where at the next page, 198, he talks about the most important problem with this solution, though, is simply this.
- 26:15It does not deal with the root cause, deflation.
- 26:18Deflation is being caused by technology, and because of that, it will ride the same exponential wave that technology does.
- 26:24That means that the rate of deflation without printing more money will only accelerate from here.
- 26:30The abundance that technology provides us doesn't require net new jobs around the world.
- 26:35It obliterates the work and the jobs we already have.
- 26:38That negative effect on jobs will accelerate globally.
- 26:41By cementing a dual class society, we only ignore the underlying structural change that caused it in the first place.
- 26:47Ignoring the underlying reason is likely to create even more division.
- 26:52This is fascinating because this book was released at the beginning of 2020.
- 26:57This is before the craziness of this pandemic and Americans understanding what is inflation, what is to live with 9% inflation and whatnot.
- 27:09And it's also hitting a lot of points that now are being discussed with AI.
- 27:14Definitely a visionary.
- 27:15Definitely he was able to see things that are happening now.
- 27:18He was way ahead of his time.
- 27:20And we're in kind of the last 10 pages, which have a couple interesting things I'll just tap on towards the end.
- 27:25So on page 200, he talks about this is kind of interesting, right?
- 27:30So at the end of, you know, we saw this trade war and all these issues that caused World War II.
- 27:38So vowing to not repeat those mistakes that led to mass employment, authoritarianism, World War II,
- 27:44Leaders of the world came together in 1944 to establish Britain Woods, a framework for global cooperation.
- 27:50A key construct of Britain Woods was an agreement upon international monetary system where all countries tied exchange rates to the price of gold and the U.S. dollar.
- 27:59The U.S. dollar became the primary currency of the world, and the U.S. dollar was tied to gold through a fixed exchange rate.
- 28:04The new rules established trust in an international framework that allowed global trade to expand and increase global prosperity, because it meant that countries could not artificially manipulate their currencies at will.
- 28:16Again, as game theory predicts, the agreement showed that when countries worked together with a clear understanding of the rules, prosperity was enhanced for all.
- 28:23But in 1971, the U.S. unilaterally terminated a critical aspect of the system, the conversion of the U.S. dollar to gold.
- 28:30And with that, the change created a system where the U.S. dollar, a fiat currency subject to domestic agenda, was a backbone of the world's economic order.
- 28:38From here, Brentwood's effectively ended.
- 28:41Since then, U.S. dollar became primary currency of the world without a peg to gold.
- 28:46Okay, that is a lot of information and for people that might not be very well versed in all this situation.
- 28:52After
- 28:53World War II, all the winning countries, they get together.
- 28:56I'm like, okay, got it.
- 28:57So the U.S. is going to be the main currency, and we're going to peg it to gold, meaning we cannot print more.
- 29:04We have to make sure that we have the reserves in gold that are backing the money that we have in circulation.
- 29:11But the story tells that eventually the money printing machine started going a little bit.
- 29:18A little bit beyond what it should based on the gold reserves that, by the way, I think that up to today, nobody knows what are the gold reserves, which is kind of like mind blowing.
- 29:27And then eventually, I think that in the 70s, before 71, France realizes that, hey, you know what?
- 29:34I think that I want all my gold back.
- 29:36And that's when the U.S. said temporarily, we are going to pause this convertibility of gold and U.S. dollars.
- 29:48And we are still waiting for that temporary thing to end.
- 29:52It's kind of like the temporary new government programs or, you know, job or division.
- 29:58They never end.
- 29:59They never end.
- 30:00So the final four pages on page 204.
- 30:03Sorry, one more thing that I want to add.
- 30:06What happens is after 1971, now the U.S. dollar, the paper, is not backed by anything hard, anything that is hard to produce like gold.
- 30:19It's just backed by the trust that the world has in the U.S. as a country and their military and so on and so forth.
- 30:28Correct.
- 30:29Great summer.
- 30:30Which is great, but the problem that we are seeing now is that confidence is starting to go down and down.
- 30:37Yeah, I think the book, so it shines a light on a lot of the negative perspectives I had and fears and FUD, fear, uncertainty and doubt.
- 30:47So these have been kind of gnawing at me for like 10 years.
- 30:50Again, it actually never mentions Bitcoin, which is interesting.
- 30:54And I know he's a fan, but he kind of sets up a lot of framework.
- 30:56On page 204, though, he had some bangers where he says, the fear of a future without those jobs and self-worth that they bring stops us from imagining a better world in which they might not even be required.
- 31:08Consider this alternative.
- 31:10Allowing abundance without the jobs might actually open an entirely new enlightenment era where we have time to enjoy the benefits that technology brings.
- 31:18A true capitalist system could work well in the environment because there would be an incentive to work harder and innovate.
- 31:24Prices of all things would fall, yes, but those creating value would be paid for their value creation at a rate that matched the new realities of supply and demand of our digital world.
- 31:34Well, how would you summarize that?
- 31:36He's basically saying we get scared thinking about my job's going to get lost.
- 31:40I do this thing with a hammer.
- 31:42So I'm too scared to imagine that maybe this job sucks.
- 31:45I think 70 or 80% of people say they hate, they use the word hate their job.
- 31:49Wow.
- 31:50And instead of, and that's not from the book, it's some prior information I had.
- 31:53At least 60%, somewhere between 60 and 80, use the word like hate.
- 31:57And I think it's so fascinating because we hate it, but we don't want to let it go.
- 32:01We don't even want to think about a scenario of letting it go.
- 32:04I think this is where he's saying, we're not even open to the concept of all these other great technological changes like the cars or the planes or any of these kind of huge changes.
- 32:14technology curves that increase the livelihood for everyone.
- 32:20And he uses this somewhere in the book as well.
- 32:22He talks about in the last like 50 years, we went from something like 50% of people living below poverty globally to now it's like 10 or 20% globally, which is amazing, right?
- 32:35It's like billions of people that now live above the global poverty line.
- 32:40And we just ignore that and get focused on whatever scary things on social media, the news or wherever we're consuming it.
- 32:46OK, so he says this is kind of the point you want to hit at the bottom of 204.
- 32:50The deflationary aspect of technology is too great a force and it will eventually overwhelm even the greatest efforts to stop it.
- 32:57Those efforts to stop it and the second order consequences of that fight to halt deflation will look insane to future generations.
- 33:06because that fight will bring on revolutions and wars that burn the existing system to the ground.
- 33:12Allowing that to happen seems insanely irresponsible, since humanity might also forever lose the opportunity to have the kind of social uplift that is possible with technology.
- 33:23Does this point make sense or do you want me to break that down?
- 33:25Break it down.
- 33:27It's basically saying we're going to see this technology that's going to reduce prices.
- 33:31And if we're trying to increase the money printer or government control or these other things, it can't really win in the end.
- 33:39Because as long as we allow entrepreneurs and capitalism do its thing, which is to solve our problems, make it cheaper, easier for everyone, it's going to just allow life to become super interesting, abundance oriented, where you don't necessarily have to work.
- 33:53Your basic needs are met.
- 33:55All of these things come as a consequence.
- 33:57Just like 100 years ago, the richest man in the world would have looked at us and said, I would kill to have your life.
- 34:03You know, if he could look in the future, he would trade in a second to be middle class or poor today.
- 34:07Is he making the point that there is no need, there's not going to be a need for work?
- 34:11Yeah, he said that in the prior page on 204.
- 34:14He said, basically, the fear we have about losing our job prevents us from looking at that clearly.
- 34:19That is interesting.
- 34:20I kind of really see that happening.
- 34:23Yeah, it's interesting.
- 34:25We'll dig in that.
- 34:26The last page, page 207.
- 34:30I really liked this piece he had.
- 34:31He said, I wrote this book to get us all talking and thinking and asking the big questions.
- 34:36At the bottom of the page, he says, the most important lesson in my life, which also came from my greatest strategy, the sudden loss of my brother.
- 34:44I do my best to live my life with that lesson as a North Star guiding every relationship and every decision.
- 34:50That lesson, our lives are defined by the positive impact we have on others.
- 34:54That's beautiful.
- 34:55That's the North Star of The Price of Tomorrow by Jeff Booth.